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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: STEUPS!! on April 27, 2009, 08:31:44 PM
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jus heard on tv 6 news that he was killed tonight near d police station. reports are still sketchy.
now ppl, i live morvant, an at about a lil after 8 i heard about 25-30 gunshots, like if it was a gunfight goin on. so it cud very well be true.
tings goin an get real sticky if daiz d case. steups!
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who he queen ?,sorry for my ignorance .
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in de late 90's he was ah URP man,tink was in POS.he was at war with crackhead guerra.
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who he queen ?,sorry for my ignorance .
he is one of the 'community leaders', in d morvant/laventille area.
he was one of them, along wid men like kerwin 'fresh' phillip and others that d honourable PM had invited for 'talks' in d crowne plaza a couple years back.
tings not lookin good at all.
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He was in jail a couple years ago. Them men is something else. Is to hear them talk about what they did and all that.
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who he queen ?,sorry for my ignorance .
he is one of the 'community leaders', in d morvant/laventille area.
he was one of them, along wid men like kerwin 'fresh' phillip and others that d honourable PM had invited for 'talks' in d crowne plaza a couple years back.
tings not lookin good at all.
prayers for your neighbourhood
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prayers for your neighbourhood
oh lawd now tings gonna get really bad..
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Quagmire he was one of the community leaders that supported the UNC and was rewarded with being in charge of vegas with the urp contract, and as far as i hear, manning give dem boy plenty construction contracts tuh build community centers and sub contracts wid udicott. ah guess panday have tuh duss out his black suit now? yeh forkin right!
even though he was ah staunch UNC supporter and one ah pandays boys he panday would not be caught anywhere near bill's furneral!
now i could believe that the government is eradicating them boys one after the other. fresh, sean sandy, codjoe, guerra, another one ah can't remember his name right now.
them fellas getting taken out!
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yeah...them fellas getttin wipe out. i find he live long, i remember they kill he chile mudder a few years ago. whoever pull that hit ent have long to live
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since fresh dead, anyone can get it in a timing
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All 20 of the "community leaders" that met with Mr. Manning are now dead.
Warriorqueen, I eh know how the people of your community could live with what you describe there.....is 25 - 30 gunshots yuh say.....lawd fadder girl, ah cyar begin to wrap mih head around what you have to live with on a daily basis...
Prayers girl prayers....
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Nigel Myers aka Menaca on i95 talking about crime.
Ex murder accused I might add.
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i hope ya'll notice how it is tho... as one gone within a short time a new one would replace him... the gang leaders might go but the gangs still there... they need to get a list of all members, lock them up in some containers then accidently lose them off the eastern coast
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All 20 of the "community leaders" that met with Mr. Manning are now dead.
Warriorqueen, I eh know how the people of your community could live with what you describe there.....is 25 - 30 gunshots yuh say.....lawd fadder girl, ah cyar begin to wrap mih head around what you have to live with on a daily basis...
Prayers girl prayers....
I wonder if is patrick order them dead or the head of the muslimeen
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Super cat said in his song "i'm not sure any more" insure yuh head! but dem boy wasn't listening!
they killin wind in T&T from what i hear. my boy just got deported and went home with the same behavior he left with! well ah doh have tuh tell allyuh the out come! he didn't last no time. lick down flat!!!
how some men does treat they life so cheap boy??
when i go trinidad i does go out in the day , get me eats and drinks, take care of business, pass through meh old neighbor hood @ least once just tuh hail up the old ppl in the area who eh see meh in decades, check some old faces and i gone!
@ night i might hit ah st james for a night snack, get some ice cream and is back up in the hotel.
that place is very scary!! to many idle young ppl on the streets and they not nice @ all!!!
if i tell allyuh how much ppl i know in trinidad who was murdered or shot allyuh wont believe meh!
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On the news they say they shoot him over 50 times and how someone made a call saying he was at the shop .. ...
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idk why known gansta walking free anyway. put all of them on the jail island and see how peaceful the country will be like tobago.
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idk why known gansta walking free anyway. put all of them on the jail island and see how peaceful the country will be like tobago.
Yuh mad sar!! that gun culture is off and running. with or without the big leaders makes no differance! the only solution is tuh regualate the port, patrol our shores rigourously, build more police stations in these gang areas, beef up patroll on mopeds and on foot for all the nooks and crannies where a squad car can't go,
create a state police force like the FBI. also implement a new police training system/ accademy style and modle it after big U.S. city accdemies.
revamp our judicial and educational system! them yutes need tuh start getting licks again , from kindergarten to form 3! and criminals need tuh stop getting off on technicalities, they also need an iron clad witness protection programm! to many criminals manipulating the system to aviod prosecution.
bring back the birch and the cat o nine, not just for sexual offences , but for violent crimes, and stealing!
drastic times calls for gratic measures!!
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idk why known gansta walking free anyway. put all of them on the jail island and see how peaceful the country will be like tobago.
Yuh mad sar!! that gun culture is off and running. with or without the big leaders makes no differance! the only solution is tuh regualate the port, patrol our shores rigourously, build more police stations in these gang areas, beef up patroll on mopeds and on foot for all the nooks and crannies where a squad car can't go,
create a state police force like the FBI. also implement a new police training system/ accademy style and modle it after big U.S. city accdemies.
revamp our judicial and educational system! them yutes need tuh start getting licks again , from kindergarten to form 3! and criminals need tuh stop getting off on technicalities, they also need an iron clad witness protection programm! to many criminals manipulating the system to aviod prosecution.
bring back the birch and the cat o nine, not just for sexual offences , but for violent crimes, and stealing!
drastic times calls for gratic measures!!
:applause: If only it were that easy, though. Cyah happ'm when so much corruption from top to bottom. These people destroyin we culture.
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well as a forren and reading things that people like Philbert are doing, I am very optimistic
the processess may not be perfect as yet but they seem to be goin in the right direction.
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well as a forren and reading things that people like Philbert are doing, I am very optimistic
the processess may not be perfect as yet but they seem to be goin in the right direction.
yeh breds ah hear yuh buh is not enough ah he the odds are against him .
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idk why known gansta walking free anyway. put all of them on the jail island and see how peaceful the country will be like tobago.
Yuh mad sar!! that gun culture is off and running. with or without the big leaders makes no differance! the only solution is tuh regualate the port, patrol our shores rigourously, build more police stations in these gang areas, beef up patroll on mopeds and on foot for all the nooks and crannies where a squad car can't go,
create a state police force like the FBI. also implement a new police training system/ accademy style and modle it after big U.S. city accdemies.
revamp our judicial and educational system! them yutes need tuh start getting licks again , from kindergarten to form 3! and criminals need tuh stop getting off on technicalities, they also need an iron clad witness protection programm! to many criminals manipulating the system to aviod prosecution.
bring back the birch and the cat o nine, not just for sexual offences , but for violent crimes, and stealing!
drastic times calls for gratic measures!!
:applause: If only it were that easy, though. Cyah happ'm when so much corruption from top to bottom. These people destroyin we culture.
Just cool, I agree with everything you said except for this part "them yutes need tuh start getting licks again , from kindergarten to form 3!" You are flat out completely wrong and misguided and there. Most of the criminal youths now are a product of our very abusive and dreadful education system that disgusts me.
That's part of the problem- a culture that has been passed down throughout the generations from slavery- that black must be beaten to work efficiently and learn, and to keep them in order. You can just hit a black(Indian and African) child if he gets you a little annoyed, but you wouldn't do that to a white child. Why? Thats because black people for the most part don't see each other as valuable, and subconciously see whites as more valuable than themselves, once again a problem that has come from slavery that many haven't broken or even realized as yet.
The thing is, I agree with giving children a spanking if they are they are the agressor in a school fight, and a few other other incidents, after the child's genuine wrongs are explained to him/her. The problem though is that giving teachers that authority leaves whether they physically hit a child, how hard, and for what reasons, to the discretion of the teachers, and that discretion comes from clear thinking, care and psycological stability, and therein lies the problem. In this unregulated, haphazard and backwater country, nothing is properly monitored, evaluated and kept tabs on. I'm telling you this IS a fact, that in this country there is a very high number of people who are not mentally sound, and I think it has to do with how pressurized people here are generally, and how hard it is to barely be able to live for most people, knowing their nation is an oil and gas rich one, along with many other issues. The fact is that, I'll say the majority of the teachers we have in this country, are not fit to have the authorization to be able to beat children. That was one of the best things the UNC government has done for this nation(even though they theif so much), but the problem is that opened up a vacuum, that in typical haphazard Trinidadian fashion, was not filled.
To tell you the truth, hearing you say that physically disgusted and nauseated ,because of the knowledge of the trauma and stifling of expression that children go through down here, don't you think some serious psycological turmoil had to go on in a child's life to have him so numb and full of hatred that at 16yrs old he could be a stone cold killer? That is not exagerrating, there many many kids like that in this country. Do you think licks can beat out that emotional numbness and hatred out of him? No, in fact, its physical and psycological abuse and stifling of expression that caused it in the first place brudda.
The thing is, sexual abuse against children in this country is at epidemic proportions, and of that sexual abuse, plenty of it is of the incestuous nature. I know this because of info I got from seminars held on the subject here. Also, I've had the quite saddening experience of knowing some victims of that, including an 8yr old girl that her father and relatives were doing unthinkable things to. That is not even taking into account the severe physical abuse that is rampant here, that affects and numbs so many childrens' minds. So, after going through sexual and physical abuse home, in addition to being hungry because their parents can't afford food, they go to school, and can't focus to do their work correctly, and what does the teacher do- she beats him for it.
The same 7 yr old child stands in the assembly line, and a teacher decides to check childrens' nails to see if they're clean, and his nail along with many other childrens' nails aren't clean(prob because they have no water at their house so some mornings they can't take a bath,or he/she was molested by their parent that morning instead of being bathed- once again, I've actually directly known of a little 9yr old thereabouts girl this was happening to),so she beats them on their knuckles with a ruler.(This actually happened at my brother's school, good thing I wasn't there at the time, a big stone woulda f*cking fly) The same 7yr old is in class, and the teacher realizes that he has white socks on instead of the black, also he doesn't have a notebook for maths so the teacher beats him.(his single mother can't afford new black socks, so left out a pair of his solitary white socks before she left for work, 2hrs before he started getting ready for school)
So, after enduring terrible abuse at home, the children go to school, the place that is supposed to be an escape, and they endure even more abuse, unkindness and perceived injustice, so they become even more numb, hardened and full of hate for everyone and everything around them. That is what produces the type of youths we have in this country, who can look anyone in their eyes, and pull a trigger, or tear their body up with a knife. So full of hate for everyone and everything around them. Instead of school being a place of refuge from the world, a place of reason, it serves to further their life's death plunge and seal their fate.
There's this 6yr old living around by me, in a terribly abusive home, who is more numbed and hardened than any adult I've ever met. We've contacted the so-called Social Services in this country many times, trying to get some intervention, but to no avail, we are still trying to help them. I know if things don't make a drastic change in his life soon, God-forbid he may turn out to be one of those youths who can kill without one ounce of feeling.
Children getting beaten for getting work wrong and speaking(primary school age is the time when scientifically children are supposed to be allowed to express themselves and speak, for their proper development) turns the schools (especially primary,when children absorb things like a sponge) into fear-mongering concentration camps, which results in the vast majority of the population of this country being absolutely unable to articulate their thoughts verbally half-decently. Children do not geta genuine love for aquiring knowledge and lifelong learning, but for the majority they see it as a neccesary chore at best, and more commonly they intensely dislike it.
Treat children with love and kindness at school, and not the usual black people slavery-derived ways of insensitivity, unkindness, abuse and stifling of verbal expression, and show education and gaining knowledge for what it truly is- exciting, something you should forward to and enjoy the process of. The children should eagerly look forward to school, it should be wholly enjoyable for all, and it should be a reprieve and refuge for those children who are abused at home and those who have a very hard life, where people in authority are reasonable, kind and caring, which would give them some hope and take away some of the unfeeling, hard protective shell, and replace the gangstering numb murdered that is soon to be, with a someone who identifies learning, aquiring knowledge and schooling as nice and hopeful, and occupies their time productively with that to their enjoyment, and thereby their tragic fate could be avoided.
Once again I repeat, the majority of the teachers are not psycologically fit, to be given the authority to beat children. The the product of that is rampant unreasonable and unjust beatings of children- the widespread slavery-derived child abuse(seeing your fellow blacks as worth little, therefore being uncaring and callous ) that goes on from kindergarten to primary school in this country(the yrs children are the most impressionable, by secondary school, most are too far gone for a school system to help), coupled with abuse at home(no place for refuge), are two of the primary factors that has produced the over abundance of youthful killers we have today. This isn't even mentioning the number of people who don't become killers, but who are uneducated, and life in shambles. They make children, and so the cycle continues.
There are many other reasonable methods to punish children if they REALLY did something really wrong, methods that won't encourage us black peoples' callousness to each other, even our children, and that won't lead down the path of child abuse.
I'm just so fed up with the shambles every system in this country is in, this country disgusts me. I might go up in the states this yr or early next yr, and my brothers up there say that when I come up, that I'll never come back to Trinidad again, but I don't think so though, I genuinely feel a drive to work to change things here, I can't see myself deserting all those in need here who keep getting crapped on, no matter how frustrated I get with this currently backwater, haphazard, coconut republic, problem-saturated, uncaring country.
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idk why known gansta walking free anyway. put all of them on the jail island and see how peaceful the country will be like tobago.
Yuh mad sar!! that gun culture is off and running. with or without the big leaders makes no differance! the only solution is tuh regualate the port, patrol our shores rigourously, build more police stations in these gang areas, beef up patroll on mopeds and on foot for all the nooks and crannies where a squad car can't go,
create a state police force like the FBI. also implement a new police training system/ accademy style and modle it after big U.S. city accdemies.
revamp our judicial and educational system! them yutes need tuh start getting licks again , from kindergarten to form 3! and criminals need tuh stop getting off on technicalities, they also need an iron clad witness protection programm! to many criminals manipulating the system to aviod prosecution.
bring back the birch and the cat o nine, not just for sexual offences , but for violent crimes, and stealing!
drastic times calls for gratic measures!!
:applause: If only it were that easy, though. Cyah happ'm when so much corruption from top to bottom. These people destroyin we culture.
Just cool, I agree with everything you said except for this part "them yutes need tuh start getting licks again , from kindergarten to form 3!" You are flat out completely wrong and misguided and there. Most of the criminal youths now are a product of our very abusive and dreadful education system that disgusts me.
That's part of the problem- a culture that has been passed down throughout the generations from slavery- that black must be beaten to work efficiently and learn, and to keep them in order. You can just hit a black(Indian and African) child if he gets you a little annoyed, but you wouldn't do that to a white child. Why? Thats because black people for the most part don't see each other as valuable, and subconciously see whites as more valuable than themselves, once again a problem that has come from slavery that many haven't broken or even realized as yet.
The thing is, I agree with giving children a spanking if they are they are the agressor in a school fight, and a few other other incidents, after the child's genuine wrongs are explained to him/her. The problem though is that giving teachers that authority leaves whether they physically hit a child, how hard, and for what reasons, to the discretion of the teachers, and that discretion comes from clear thinking, care and psycological stability, and therein lies the problem. In this unregulated, haphazard and backwater country, nothing is properly monitored, evaluated and kept tabs on. I'm telling you this IS a fact, that in this country there is a very high number of people who are not mentally sound, and I think it has to do with how pressurized people here are generally, and how hard it is to barely be able to live for most people, knowing their nation is an oil and gas rich one, along with many other issues. The fact is that, I'll say the majority of the teachers we have in this country, are not fit to have the authorization to be able to beat children. That was one of the best things the UNC government has done for this nation(even though they theif so much), but the problem is that opened up a vacuum, that in typical haphazard Trinidadian fashion, was not filled.
To tell you the truth, hearing you say that physically disgusted and nauseated ,because of the knowledge of the trauma and stifling of expression that children go through down here, don't you think some serious psycological turmoil had to go on in a child's life to have him so numb and full of hatred that at 16yrs old he could be a stone cold killer? That is not exagerrating, there many many kids like that in this country. Do you think licks can beat out that emotional numbness and hatred out of him? No, in fact, its physical and psycological abuse and stifling of expression that caused it in the first place brudda.
The thing is, sexual abuse against children in this country is at epidemic proportions, and of that sexual abuse, plenty of it is of the incestuous nature. I know this because of info I got from seminars held on the subject here. Also, I've had the quite saddening experience of knowing some victims of that, including an 8yr old girl that her father and relatives were doing unthinkable things to. That is not even taking into account the severe physical abuse that is rampant here, that affects and numbs so many childrens' minds. So, after going through sexual and physical abuse home, in addition to being hungry because their parents can't afford food, they go to school, and can't focus to do their work correctly, and what does the teacher do- she beats him for it.
The same 7 yr old child stands in the assembly line, and a teacher decides to check childrens' nails to see if they're clean, and his nail along with many other childrens' nails aren't clean(prob because they have no water at their house so some mornings they can't take a bath,or he/she was molested by their parent that morning instead of being bathed- once again, I've actually directly known of a little 9yr old thereabouts girl this was happening to),so she beats them on their knuckles with a ruler.(This actually happened at my brother's school, good thing I wasn't there at the time, a big stone woulda f*cking fly) The same 7yr old is in class, and the teacher realizes that he has white socks on instead of the black, also he doesn't have a notebook for maths so the teacher beats him.(his single mother can't afford new black socks, so left out a pair of his solitary white socks before she left for work, 2hrs before he started getting ready for school)
So, after enduring terrible abuse at home, the children go to school, the place that is supposed to be an escape, and they endure even more abuse, unkindness and perceived injustice, so they become even more numb, hardened and full of hate for everyone and everything around them. That is what produces the type of youths we have in this country, who can look anyone in their eyes, and pull a trigger, or tear their body up with a knife. So full of hate for everyone and everything around them. Instead of school being a place of refuge from the world, a place of reason, it serves to further their life's death plunge and seal their fate.
There's this 6yr old living around by me, in a terribly abusive home, who is more numbed and hardened than any adult I've ever met. We've contacted the so-called Social Services in this country many times, trying to get some intervention, but to no avail, we are still trying to help them. I know if things don't make a drastic change in his life soon, God-forbid he may turn out to be one of those youths who can kill without one ounce of feeling.
Children getting beaten for getting work wrong and speaking(primary school age is the time when scientifically children are supposed to be allowed to express themselves and speak, for their proper development) turns the schools (especially primary,when children absorb things like a sponge) into fear-mongering concentration camps, which results in the vast majority of the population of this country being absolutely unable to articulate their thoughts verbally half-decently. Children do not geta genuine love for aquiring knowledge and lifelong learning, but for the majority they see it as a neccesary chore at best, and more commonly they intensely dislike it.
Treat children with love and kindness at school, and not the usual black people slavery-derived ways of insensitivity, unkindness, abuse and stifling of verbal expression, and show education and gaining knowledge for what it truly is- exciting, something you should forward to and enjoy the process of. The children should eagerly look forward to school, it should be wholly enjoyable for all, and it should be a reprieve and refuge for those children who are abused at home and those who have a very hard life, where people in authority are reasonable, kind and caring, which would give them some hope and take away some of the unfeeling, hard protective shell, and replace the gangstering numb murdered that is soon to be, with a someone who identifies learning, aquiring knowledge and schooling as nice and hopeful, and occupies their time productively with that to their enjoyment, and thereby their tragic fate could be avoided.
Once again I repeat, the majority of the teachers are not psycologically fit, to be given the authority to beat children. The the product of that is rampant unreasonable and unjust beatings of children- the widespread slavery-derived child abuse(seeing your fellow blacks as worth little, therefore being uncaring and callous ) that goes on from kindergarten to primary school in this country(the yrs children are the most impressionable, by secondary school, most are too far gone for a school system to help), coupled with abuse at home(no place for refuge), are two of the primary factors that has produced the over abundance of youthful killers we have today. This isn't even mentioning the number of people who don't become killers, but who are uneducated, and life in shambles. They make children, and so the cycle continues.
There are many other reasonable methods to punish children if they REALLY did something really wrong, methods that won't encourage us black peoples' callousness to each other, even our children, and that won't lead down the path of child abuse.
I'm just so fed up with the shambles every system in this country is in, this country disgusts me. I might go up in the states this yr or early next yr, and my brothers up there say that when I come up, that I'll never come back to Trinidad again, but I don't think so though, I genuinely feel a drive to work to change things here, I can't see myself deserting all those in need here who keep getting crapped on, no matter how frustrated I get with this currently backwater, haphazard, coconut republic, problem-saturated, uncaring country.
Peter I eh even have to read your entire statement here, having skimmed over just a few of your statements to generally disagree with what you are saying. There is a stark difference between corporal punishment and abuse.
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50 bullets for gangster
By Joel Julien (T&T Express)
Morvant gangster Sean "Bill" Francis's colourful life ended in a barrage of bullets on Monday night when gunmen opened fire on him with a high-powered rifle as he stood outside a mini-mart, opposite his home at Vegas, Morvant.
Francis, 41, was shot some 50 times, according to homicide detectives. He died on his way to the Port of Spain General Hospital.
His brother, Glen, 29, and stepson, Kevon "Bumper" Inniss, 18, who were also injured in the attack, were up to press time, both listed in stable condition at the hospital.
The drama unfolded around 9 p.m. on Monday as the trio stood together, talking on a staircase outside the Love First Mini-Mart in Morvant when the passengers of a heavily-tinted, white Nissan B-15 motor car drove past and an occupant opened fire on them. All three were hit.
Yesterday when the Express visited Vegas, the dried bloodstains from Monday's gun attack were still visible on the staircase.
But the few residents who were outside declined to comment about what took place the night before.
And homicide detectives are now stumped as to the motive behind the killing. Who would be brave enough to enter Francis's stronghold, kill him and escape unhurt?
One motive detectives are currently working on is that Francis's slaying was directly linked to an arson attack in Beetham earlier in the day on Monday.
In that incident, five houses, in Phase Four, Beetham Gardens, were destroyed by a fire said to be intentionally set, in order to gather information about the mysterious disappearance of four illegal guns.
The person responsible for the disappearance of those guns is said to have approached Francis for protection and also hid the stolen guns in Vegas.
But Francis's relatives have denied this. Instead, they believe his death was triggered by jealousy.
"He was killed because he was charismatic. A lot of people felt he was a threat because he was able to mobilise the people single-handedly," Shivonne, 24, one of Francis's seven children, said outside the St James Forensic Science Centre yesterday.
In 1997, Francis was in charge of the Port of Spain region of the Unemployment Relief Programme.
"He was a man of peace. There are many misconceptions about him but he never condoned violence, and anyone close to my father knows that he stood for peace and love," Shivonne said as she waited for the autopsy on her father to be completed.
"And anyone who wants to take the law into their own hands is not a friend of my father. He was not a criminal or gangster, and we will try to maintain what he stands for," she said.
And the police are hoping this call will be heeded, but they are expecting the worst. There will be bloodshed, Morvant police believe.
In 2006, Francis brokered a "peace accord" between rival factions in the Morvant area, with the aim of reducing the level of violence in the beleaguered community.
Francis was also one of the community leaders who met with then sports and youth affairs minister Roger Boynes, during which a major "peace accord" was signed between the warring factions at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, Port of Spain.
But this "peacekeeper" side was only part of Francis, police said.
According to acting Police Commissioner James Philbert, Francis was a suspect in several murders in which witnesses were silenced.
In 2004, the mother of two of his children, Galene Bonadie, was shot at point-blank range with an Israeli-made Galil assault rifle during a confrontation with police.
In 2007, four police officers involved in the incident, PCs Brian Phillips, Imraz Hosein, Dale Makoonsingh and Sherwin Serrette, were cleared of any wrongdoing, following an inquest into Bonadie's death.
Four people are currently assisting police in their investigations into the death of Francis, police said yesterday.
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who he queen ?,sorry for my ignorance .
Mu guess he is a community leader(gangstar) if he dead dais good. One less f**kin pess to deal wid..
war
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Peter I eh even have to read your entire statement here, having skimmed over just a few of your statements to generally disagree with what you are saying. There is a stark difference between corporal punishment and abuse.
Chow.. at least do the man the justice of reading his entire post before dismissing..
as a man who in favor of corporal punishment, i must say that peter's post brings a different perspective. a good read.
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Most of the criminal youths now are a product of our very abusive and dreadful education system that disgusts me.
I find that our society as a whole is violent..........
during one of my return trips to TnT in 1990, I was walkin past the Old police station and could her men screaming....probably from cat oh nine tails...not so? I dont know for sure.....but it did not sound good at all
well I was amazed that we as a country in the 20th century would continue to treat our citizens that way, but that is how some like it so...right?
and as late as 2005
"The Government of Trinidad & Tobago has been accused of torture and "cruel, inhuman and degrading" treatment of prisoners, and on 11 March, 2005 was ordered by the Inter-American Court of Human Rights to pay US $50,000 for "moral damages" to a prisoner who had received 15 strokes of the "Cat" plus expenses for his medical and psychological care; it is unclear whether the Court's decisions were met."
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D man get kill right by he house. Not even a dog was out in Vegas yday. U live by d sword... Imagine sadiq Baksh d amn who set him up in business talkin bot PNM eh doin nutten bout crime. Is he who give him URP to run in Vegas is dem who make him Local Govt candidate.
RIP d 20 of d so call community leaders dead. Simpson waitin on d next set.
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D man get kill right by he house. Not even a dog was out in Vegas yday. U live by d sword... Imagine sadiq Baksh d amn who set him up in business talkin bot PNM eh doin nutten bout crime. Is he who give him URP to run in Vegas is dem who make him Local Govt candidate.
RIP d 20 of d so call community leaders dead. Simpson waitin on d next set.
Weary, ah asking you a genuine question here and would appreciate a response from you.
Do you think that the crime situation in Trinidad and Tobago would be significantly different if URP contracts had not been given to them fellas by successive governments?
If yes, why?
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Most of us here pass through that educational system. I don't know bout you all but my school had a dean of discipline for boys and a dean for girls. And when them fellas get out a hand, is licks. And as for the girls, well I get sent out of class a few times and made to stand in the courtyard in the hot sun. And I sure as hell ent no killer or child abuser or anything like that. Some of them boys I went to school with who had frequent flyer miles to the dean's office and the paddle, well if you see them now all respectable like. One is a lawyer, one is a doctor, one have a big time wuk in the oil. A few move here and have their own businesses. The system didnt turn them into anythig evil. On the flip side, I have a cousin, gone the best private school, lead a sheltered life. Get a proper cuttail once in her life because miss thing cut school and gone liming with a maxi man. She leave home move up here and, well the kinda things that woman involved in, lets just say she name cross off the family bible. Who turn her so? The father and mother for cutting her ass for running off with a maxi man? Or the school that didn't use corporal punishment? Or perhaps the parents for sparing the rod so many times and spoiling the child.
The educational system didnt make these people who they are, is people make people. Some people just born evil and some people just like to follow others to the easiest way "to the top" some of these people see an easy way to make a buck, or to control others and they chose it.
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D man get kill right by he house. Not even a dog was out in Vegas yday. U live by d sword... Imagine sadiq Baksh d amn who set him up in business talkin bot PNM eh doin nutten bout crime. Is he who give him URP to run in Vegas is dem who make him Local Govt candidate.
RIP d 20 of d so call community leaders dead. Simpson waitin on d next set.
Weary, ah asking you a genuine question here and would appreciate a response from you.
Do you think that the crime situation in Trinidad and Tobago would be significantly different if URP contracts had not been given to them fellas by successive governments?
If yes, why?
Yesssssssssssssssss. D reason is because of d ghost gangs. D ghost gang payroll was first used for bling and puttin PH car on d road. Then dey strt to use 4 guns and drugs. Remember dey gun down a foreman on d promenade for a payroll. URP money arm dem fellas 2 the hilt.
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Three suspects held in Sean Francis killing
Police have arrested three suspects in connection with the shooting death of Morvant community leader Sean “Bill” Francis. Police also seized two vehicles believed to have been used in the killing. Up to late yesterday, Crime Scene Investigators were expected to examine the vehicles which are at the Morvant Police Station. Officers said they were searching for another suspect from Saw Mill Avenue, Morvant. He has been identified as one of the shooters. The suspects in custody are 26, 23 and 25 years old and hail from Beetham, D’Abadie and Vegas, respectively.
According to police, just before midnight on Tuesday, Cpl Primdass, along with PCs Bennet, Rajkumar, Chanderika and Joseph, intercepted the vehicles near the Malick Comprehensive School. Police said they received information that the cars were seen leaving the scene moments after Francis and two other relatives were shot in Vegas, Morvant. Nothing illegal was found in either of the vehicles, but three suspects and three women were taken into custody, police said.
The women, who police said were from the Beetham area, were later released.
Up to late last night, the suspects were in custody at the Morvant Police Station. They ere expected to be interviewed by officers of the Special Anti-Crime Unit. Francis was pronounced dead on arrival on Monday night after he was shot 52 times about the body. His brother Glen and stepson, Kevon Innis remain warded at the Port-of-Spain General Hospital after they sustained injuries in the shooting, which police described as “well organised.”
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Peter I eh even have to read your entire statement here, having skimmed over just a few of your statements to generally disagree with what you are saying. There is a stark difference between corporal punishment and abuse.
Chow.. at least do the man the justice of reading his entire post before dismissing..
as a man who in favor of corporal punishment, i must say that peter's post brings a different perspective. a good read.
Omar, I not being dismissive. His theory does not add up. Peter is practically pointing to the use (or overuse) of corporal punishment as the cause for our current state of lawlessness and some of the scenarios he described I can't believe existed. I get level lix from standard ! all the way until 5th form. I ain't no criminal. My Primary school teacher used to beat children for any little thing!!! One time I get lix fuh givin' away my lunch: a fackin' roast beef sandwich!! Ms. Creteau used to beat yuh 'til yuh fart and then beat yuh fuh fartin'!! Not me, or any of my classmates turned out to be criminals. I could go on....but ah too tired.
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Peter yuh wrong about licks being a slave ting only subjected to black and indian ppl! the origins of caning in schools came from the old british colonial system, hek! even aristoctrats used tuh buss their kids a$$ as recent as the 70ies.
man in england white, black , asian, you name it got their a$$e$ buss if they stole, raped or pillaged!
the bristish colonisl system was by far the strictest amongst all world goverments, even more so than in the middle east!
cut arse was mean't tuh keep kids from delinquent thoughts and behavior and it worked in most instances!
did you notice when all this killing started? well let me tell yuh when!
it started when parents took their foot off the peddle and started treating kids like equals!
when granny had the belt soaking in pee, and fellas had tuh wake up and feed foul, tie out cow, cut grass for the mule tuh eat before he could touch a piece of bread!
when man had tuh get up and go in the market wid they mudder on sataurdays, when fellas had tuh wake up early and go tuh church every sundays whether yuh like it or not.
when fellas had tuh pray in school , before and after meals, plus keep yuh fingernails clean! and yuh couldn't come tuh school wid dirty clothes and air jordans niether. in dem times was when ppl had values and respect for life! yuh eh see when those values disipate the whole society change?
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Foolishness is in d heart of a child but d rod of correction will drive it out.
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Peter yuh wrong about licks being a slave ting only subjected to black and indian ppl! the origins of caning in schools came from the old british colonial system, hek! even aristoctrats used tuh buss their kids a$$ as recent as the 70ies.
man in england white, black , asian, you name it got their a$$e$ buss if they stole, raped or pillaged!
the bristish colonisl system was by far the strictest amongst all world goverments, even more so than in the middle east!
cut arse was mean't tuh keep kids from delinquent thoughts and behavior and it worked in most instances!
did you notice when all this killing started? well let me tell yuh when!
it started when parents took their foot off the peddle and started treating kids like equals!
when granny had the belt soaking in pee, and fellas had tuh wake up and feed foul, tie out cow, cut grass for the mule tuh eat before he could touch a piece of bread!
when man had tuh get up and go in the market wid they mudder on sataurdays, when fellas had tuh wake up early and go tuh church every sundays whether yuh like it or not.
when fellas had tuh pray in school , before and after meals, plus keep yuh fingernails clean! and yuh couldn't come tuh school wid dirty clothes and air jordans niether. in dem times was when ppl had values and respect for life! yuh eh see when those values disipate the whole society change?
well said :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
You forget to mention when you bout to get licks and they send you outside to cut your own branch. My grandmom and some of my aunts famous for that. One time I cut a branch off the rose bush cause I wanted the pretty white rose on it. I get licks twice that day. Once with the rose branch and then I had to go pick another branch. I didnt get to keep the rose either.
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Peter yuh wrong about licks being a slave ting only subjected to black and indian ppl! the origins of caning in schools came from the old british colonial system, hek! even aristoctrats used tuh buss their kids a$$ as recent as the 70ies.
man in england white, black , asian, you name it got their a$$e$ buss if they stole, raped or pillaged!
the bristish colonisl system was by far the strictest amongst all world goverments, even more so than in the middle east!
cut arse was mean't tuh keep kids from delinquent thoughts and behavior and it worked in most instances!
did you notice when all this killing started? well let me tell yuh when!
it started when parents took their foot off the peddle and started treating kids like equals!
when granny had the belt soaking in pee, and fellas had tuh wake up and feed foul, tie out cow, cut grass for the mule tuh eat before he could touch a piece of bread!
when man had tuh get up and go in the market wid they mudder on sataurdays, when fellas had tuh wake up early and go tuh church every sundays whether yuh like it or not.
when fellas had tuh pray in school , before and after meals, plus keep yuh fingernails clean! and yuh couldn't come tuh school wid dirty clothes and air jordans niether. in dem times was when ppl had values and respect for life! yuh eh see when those values disipate the whole society change?
well said :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
You forget to mention when you bout to get licks and they send you outside to cut your own branch. My grandmom and some of my aunts famous for that. One time I cut a branch off the rose bush cause I wanted the pretty white rose on it. I get licks twice that day. Once with the rose branch and then I had to go pick another branch. I didnt get to keep the rose either.
It strt when we strted 2 listen 2 d psycho babble
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Peter I eh even have to read your entire statement here, having skimmed over just a few of your statements to generally disagree with what you are saying. There is a stark difference between corporal punishment and abuse.
Chow.. at least do the man the justice of reading his entire post before dismissing..
as a man who in favor of corporal punishment, i must say that peter's post brings a different perspective. a good read.
Omar, I not being dismissive. His theory does not add up. Peter is practically pointing to the use (or overuse) of corporal punishment as the cause for our current state of lawlessness and some of the scenarios he described I can't believe existed. I get level lix from standard ! all the way until 5th form. I ain't no criminal. My Primary school teacher used to beat children for any little thing!!! One time I get lix fuh givin' away my lunch: a fackin' roast beef sandwich!! Ms. Creteau used to beat yuh 'til yuh fart and then beat yuh fuh fartin'!! Not me, or any of my classmates turned out to be criminals. I could go on....but ah too tired.
true, but my point is that you and me could only talk about the licks we used to get based on our own experiences and our own perspective, and how it shaped us as individuals.. we cant talk for the man who was cognitively challenged in school and get blaze after blaze for wrong spelling and end up with mental/emotional problems as a result..
speaking for myself i get some good stick in school for all kinda wickedness.. but it was never no abuse thing, it never scar me and when i did get it i know is cause i look for dat.. i would even go to say that it was all in good sport, and licks in class used to be a kicks ting..
that said i do vividly remember a time in primary school standard 2, a time a teacher raise a girl skirt and blaze she bare ass in front the whole class, and that girl real cry.. i find that was real uncalled for at the time..
and the situations peter discusses is another side of the coin that i feel many of us here not able to relate to if i could hazard a guess about of our upbringings or the social demographic on this board.. And that is why i say it is a different perspective that is interesting to hear.
just cool make some real good points in his post and pretty much sum up how i feel about corporal punishment today.. Things went south when there were no longer consequences for a youth stepping out of line..
Youths doing shit at home and in school and telling teachers and parents to they face that they cant do nothing about it..
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Look at the nice rides the gunmen used to drive by and shoot up Francis. Any doubts its some big time drug dealers? That werent no poor man's job
(http://guardian.co.tt/files/imagecache/article_main_image_stretched/articles/images/cars_0.png)
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Shabazz: Let it be the start of peace
By Camille Bethel (T&T Express)
Community activist Jamal Shabazz has called for the people of the Morvant/Laventille communities to allow the slaying of Sean "Bill" Francis to be the start of peace within those communities.
Speaking with the media away from the mourners and the armed police presence outside the Belgrove Crematorium, Trincity, after the private funeral service that was held for Francis, Shabazz, a close friend of the slain community leader, said the borderline violence must stop.
Francis, 41, of Vegas, Second Caledonia, Morvant was gunned down a short distance from his home on Monday night. His brother, Glen, and stepson, Kevon "Bumper" Inniss, were also injured in the gun attack.
Shabazz said, "It is tested when someone like Sean Francis is killed in this way. Those of us who are close to him will say what is best for Sean Francis but we must also consider what is best for the community and what is best for the society.
"What is best for the society is for us to accept that Sean Francis is dead and for us to accept that the better thing for the community is that it should not allow itself to come into division and violence as a form of retaliation.
"Some things are best left up to God and the Sean Francis that I know would have loved this scenario to be left up to God. I know of his efforts and his love for his community and I want to appeal to the young people, his friends, his enemies to let this be the start of peace because those who wanted him dead have got their will. There is no need now to perpetrate further acts upon the people of the community."
Shabazz who did the eulogy at the funeral service, where close friends and relatives paid tribute in song to "Father Bill", said words were not sufficient to describe the loss he felt over Francis' death because while some would say he was a bad man; Francis was really a militant with a social conscience.
He said Francis cared for the people in the community and was not afraid to stand up to the politicians or anybody else for that matter.
"I think his death will be a tremendous loss to the people who did not have a voice and who are afraid to stand up for the needs of the community and the constituency."
He said it was just last week before he was killed that Francis told him that they should set up a fund for all of those kids whose parents have lost their lives in the community particularly the kids whose parents were considered to be gangsters.
Shabazz described the murders of several community leaders, who met with Government and signed a peace treaty, from 2006 to now was a case of chickens coming home to roost.
He said he does not believe that another meeting with community leaders is the solution because those people in the communities who have become gangsters are the products of negligence and ignorance and it is now deeper than that.
"There now needs to be a meeting between the different interest groups in the society," he added.
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Peter I eh even have to read your entire statement here, having skimmed over just a few of your statements to generally disagree with what you are saying. There is a stark difference between corporal punishment and abuse.
Chow.. at least do the man the justice of reading his entire post before dismissing..
as a man who in favor of corporal punishment, i must say that peter's post brings a different perspective. a good read.
Omar, I not being dismissive. His theory does not add up. Peter is practically pointing to the use (or overuse) of corporal punishment as the cause for our current state of lawlessness and some of the scenarios he described I can't believe existed. I get level lix from standard ! all the way until 5th form. I ain't no criminal. My Primary school teacher used to beat children for any little thing!!! One time I get lix fuh givin' away my lunch: a fackin' roast beef sandwich!! Ms. Creteau used to beat yuh 'til yuh fart and then beat yuh fuh fartin'!! Not me, or any of my classmates turned out to be criminals. I could go on....but ah too tired.
true, but my point is that you and me could only talk about the licks we used to get based on our own experiences and our own perspective, and how it shaped us as individuals.. we cant talk for the man who was cognitively challenged in school and get blaze after blaze for wrong spelling and end up with mental/emotional problems as a result..
speaking for myself i get some good stick in school for all kinda wickedness.. but it was never no abuse thing, it never scar me and when i did get it i know is cause i look for dat.. i would even go to say that it was all in good sport, and licks in class used to be a kicks ting..
that said i do vividly remember a time in primary school standard 2, a time a teacher raise a girl skirt and blaze she bare ass in front the whole class, and that girl real cry.. i find that was real uncalled for at the time..
and the situations peter discusses is another side of the coin that i feel many of us here not able to relate to if i could hazard a guess about of our upbringings or the social demographic on this board.. And that is why i say it is a different perspective that is interesting to hear.
just cool make some real good points in his post and pretty much sum up how i feel about corporal punishment today.. Things went south when there were no longer consequences for a youth stepping out of line..
Youths doing shit at home and in school and telling teachers and parents to they face that they cant do nothing about it..
I am presenting my opinion from having drawn from a much broader perspective than my own. The kinda lix I was getting, plenty, plenty other people in T&T was getting. My parents and their parents was getting it same way. Their parents before them and their parents' parents before THEM was getting, too. All across the Caribbean (and not to mention in America's deep South, but dize a whole different demographic altogether.) I'm sure there are plenty of US here on this forum that get plenty lix for the most petty of offenses. (I STILL cyah get it why dat woman, God bless her soul, blaze my ass for giving away a friggin' roast beef sangwidge!) This spate in crime that our country is enduring has jumped generations quite precipitously and hasn't shown to be a problem that has been regressive. Over one generation I would call that an ex/implosion resulting from our society's moral decay. The source of THAT is for another thread. I want to go on, but ah have things to do. this is one to siddong and elaborate on. :beermug:
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Increase or decrease in corporal punishment is not the cause of the problems. It might be a symptom, but it can't be a cause. Also I wouldn't describe the educational system as abusive. The dreadful part of it is that it is still too "test-focussed" as opposed to development-focussed and the provisions to catch disadvantaged kids are inadequate.
That said it is no diferent to areas with stuggling school systems in th US, which almost always goes hand in hand with economically distressed areas and families. The school systems are burdened by the families as much as by lack of Gov't support.
The problem has to be in the family and y extension the environment. The reason I say that is because corporal punishment is merely a symptom is that in the case of parents who aren't equipped/prepared/aware of how to develop their kids they may not take interest enough to apply corporal punishment to kids that need it. On the flipside an equally lazy, bad parent will jump to corporal punishment as the easy out, to vent their frustration, "punish" the child, but not put in the hard work of communicating, nurturing and teaching.
You can develop kids with and without corporal punishment. Personally I am against it but it is merely a tool and a parent could use it as part of thier strategy. It is only a tool though an dthe real lesson-learning, developing and "keeping in line" comes from the work that is put in communicating to the child what behaviours are expected of them.
I never get licks at home but get licks in school. The licks in school make sense because it was for well-defined trangressions, was very organized. You know whether it is 3 lashes or 6, on one hand, or both or on your ass. You also had enough anticipation, walking to the Dean's office, or lining up for licks to contemplate why you were getting licks and have an understanding. Ultimately though the things that you get licks for in school, being late, making ruckus in class are minor things.
The misuse of licks at home is a much bigger issue. Because it is "your own" child you may not worry about justifying the degree of punishment. In most cases parents may not even consider this an issue and like I say, it is very easy to punish in anger instead of for a reason. That is why generally in families with two parents, working as a team, it works much better. The "wait till your father gets home" gives you that anticipation to understand you actions and the consensus punishment of two parents will likely be more fair than one.
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very WELL said there JDB