this is not about science. Science doh have to prove there is a god. There is no evidence that one exists.
And this thread is about religion, yuh state big and bold that atheism is a religion...and yuh want scientific community to hold atheists to a scientific standard.
steups yuh have real time to chat shit...why yuh eh go and find the evidence that there is a god, God or gods or Gods for the scientific community to do some peer research on yuh discoveries?
wrong ... theists are not the one asserting that god does not exist. The existence of God is FAITH based that is why it falls outside the realm of science. We already acknowledge that it is non-scientific by calling it FAITH.
So if atheists insist on arguing with theists about the non-existence of god, then it is incumbent upon the atheists to Prove that God does not exist, not the other way around.
I think JC's post is bang on.
NONSENSE!
If you assert something is..you prove it. Are you aware of the scientific method? YOU say XYZ science demands you prove it in the lab or otherwise,it is peer reviewed, replicated and verified. No blind shit about faith! That cannot even meet the standard of a scientific theory
you so wrapped up in science that you don't know what you talking about when it comes to FAITH. It is now obvious to me that the concept of FAITH is so foreign to you, your attempts to wrap it in science fails you without you even realizing it.
FAITH is NOT SCIENCE. Therefore you cannot apply the scientific method to it.
While you trying to comprehend this, go prove that the following concepts exist:
1) Love
2) Beauty
Here is my signature:
"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
I believe. I don't have to prove my belief. It just is.
You on the other hand state that God does not exist. I see no evidence that God does not exist. Tell me I am wrong.
You can take your signature from Hebrews all you want.
And I don't harangue believers it is the believers who harangue me.
I made a post that is all over the news feeds and justcool and to a lesser extent, you come with allyuh atheist shit.
If someone makes a post about religion out of a so called Holy Book, I am well within my rights to question it if there is no scientific basis to it. ESPECIALLY if that person is trying to convince me that there is some science to it.
Let me bring you up to speed, I am well aware of the difference between faith and organized religion, in fact faith and religion are too separate things.
Imagine you tell me that I harangue believers, yet I am the one called dummy for believing hard cold scientific facts such as Natural selection! Go figure.
I think it is easier to believe what I can see and prove over some argument from incredulity..that becasue we have no proof of something...as yet.....that it must have come from God. That is a load of crapola.
I heard from several here over time the following:
You have faith when you sat in that chair.
You have faith when you start your car.
You have faith you will wake up each morning.
I have sat in many chairs before and they safely held me...so my faith is justified.
Sure, after I took it for a test drive and verified it runs. It since then has started up and proven itself trustworthy and reliable. Now the other car, not so much. The battery was dead (went bad) and it never started unless jumped. So my faith in that car went away. Then I replaced the battery and behold it runs now. Faith restored. But an earned faith.
Sure, after I was old enough to understand faith and was able to think. As a new born baby up until now I have had a daily experience called waking up. So I have had plenty of evidence to enable me to have faith.
So why don't you have faith in god?
Faith in something invisible and faith in something visible are two different things. I have faith in things I use each day because I have seen them work and even understand how they work. I spent many years in church and god has yet to earn my faith. At times I really did have faith and prayed, read the Bible and all that stuff. How many centuries did Christians believe and have faith the sun revolved around the earth?
Faith is something that is earned. Telling me to “just have faith” does nothing but lock me into your ideas and religion. It seems silly to just believe in something without real solid evidence to support it. If I lack faith I am accused on doubting god and hit with some guilt trip. Can you say “cult tactics”?
Blind faith is a dangerous tool that ruins lives. My faith in my car, waking up or a chair is not blind, but earned from working examples and evidence I have encountered throughout my life.
Bible says.
“Lean not on your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths.”
What you are really being told is stop thinking on your own, listen to what others tell you about God and believe that, stop asking questions, apply faith. Trouble is Faith in what? Sounds like the shit they fed black people in the Southern USA for years while Jim Crow hung over their heads!
“Well, you just didn't have enough faith!”
With the faith of a mustard seed you could move mountains according to the Bible. Yeah right! When it does not happen for you, the answer is It was not in God’s will.
The same warmed over generic answers? Answers like:
“God only knows”
“God has his reasons”
“God works in strange and mysterious ways”
“We cant know the ways of god”
“You just gotta have faith”
Some old warmed over answers. Nothing really solid to hang onto. It's simple really. Since Christians aren't allowed to think they have to repeat everything that is taught them. For years that is all you hear answer wise.
I got so tired of asking tough questions just to get a stupid answer.