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Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« on: November 27, 2010, 07:09:56 AM »
Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
By: Jonathan Stevenson.


If Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo wanted to lay down markers ahead of the Barcelona v Real Madrid showdown at the Camp Nou on Monday, scoring hat-tricks in their final La Liga games before El Clasico was a typically sublime way to go about it.

Messi and Ronaldo are the two best players on the planet right now. They play weekly at a level most can only dream of, consistently overshadowing the abundance of world-class players who line up as their team-mates and opponents alike.

They are the last two winners of the Fifa World Footballer of the Year award and, despite being far from stereotypical centre-forwards in a positional sense, have each won a European Golden Shoe prize in the last three years. They have scored 27 La Liga goals between them already this term - four more than the next top scorers in the division, Villarreal.

"What more can you say about Messi?" asked Barca colleague and Spain's World Cup-winning goalscorer Andres Iniesta in the aftermath of Messi's eighth treble for the Catalan club, in an 8-0 destruction of Almeria last weekend. "There are no words left. Let's hope he continues as he is."

After firing in three more goals in Real's 5-1 drubbing of Athletic Bilbao on the same day to stay one clear of his rival in the race for the Pichichi (Spain's top goalscorer), Ronaldo preferred to do his own talking: "I'm very happy for scoring three goals, but the important thing is that we continue being leaders. Barcelona's 8-0 win at Almeria doesn't tell me anything, Let's see if they score eight goals against us on Monday."

Monday is the day when Spain's top two meet for the first time this season, with Real Madrid a single point ahead of Barcelona in the standings. It is a game customarily filled with intrigue and the pre-match phoney war will be taken to new levels this time around with Barca's arch-nemesis Jose Mourinho overseeing his first Clasico in charge of Real.

But when the talking stops and referee Eduaro Gonzalez blows his whistle at 2000 GMT, the focus will then centre around Messi and Ronaldo - the two proxy leaders of their teams, the men who are almost certain to have the greatest impact on the result and, longer term, the destiny of the Spanish title.

So much has been written about them both before, these two fascinatingly contrary figures: Messi, the shy, formerly-fragile boy from Argentina who packed his bags aged 13 and put himself in Barcelona's care; and Ronaldo, the perma-tanned Portuguese with the perfect physique and arrogance to match his £80m attributes.

Perhaps it is because they are so unique, as far removed from each other as they are from the mere mortals who seek to attain their greatness, that they are so open to comparison. It is a point Noe Pamarot made to me when I asked the well-travelled Hercules defender to compare two players he has done battle with in La Liga in the past three months.

"The stats are amazing for both of them, it is incredible how many goals they score," said Pamarot, who also played against Ronaldo six times during a five-year spell in English football playing for Tottenham and Portsmouth.

"But they don't play anything like each other. They have both got the speed and the skills, but for me, Messi plays only for the team and that makes him a more dangerous opponent. He isn't always looking to score himself - if he isn't scoring, he is making an assist or having a big influence on the game anyway.

"They are comfortably the world's best right now. But Messi is very, very special. He is starting to prove weekly he is on a different level to everyone else. Can he be the greatest of all time? If he carries on like this for some more years, he can end up the same or even better than Diego Maradona and Pele. Why not?"

Pamarot's thoughts cast my mind back to a study of the pair conducted by the University of Coruna in Spain in April. It found that more than 80% of Barcelona's passing moves involved Messi, compared to 60% with Ronaldo and Madrid. When Messi gets the ball, his only thought is getting it into the back of his opponents' net; when Ronaldo picks it up, his is to put it there himself.

At a time when the fluid passing and movement style of Spain and Barcelona is fashionable and everyone wants to watch tiki-taka, Ronaldo's fearsome power and single-minded selfishness when he is within sight of goal is, to some, considered an inferior alternative, aesthetically-speaking anyway.

Another player who has been on the receiving end of the genius of Messi and Ronaldo is Ivory Coast midfielder Didier Zokora. The 29-year-old played against Ronaldo five times in his three-year stint with Spurs and was in the Sevilla team that suffered a 5-0 defeat at Barcelona a month ago in which Messi scored twice.

"The two of them are very good, for sure, but I prefer Messi," said Zokora. "Messi is perfect in the art of dribbling, while Ronaldo's shot is incredible. It is very difficult to stop them, they are very, very fast. Could one of them go on and be the greatest? It is difficult to say it, but maybe..."

For now, it is far easier to let the numbers do the talking. Courtesy of Infostrada Sports, here are the pair's breathtaking goal tallies in black and white:

Lionel Messi:
- 22 goals in 17 games for Barcelona this season
- 54 goals in 48 games for Barcelona in 2010
- Has scored in nine consecutive games for Barca
- In last five seasons (this season last), has scored: 17, 16, 38, 47, 22

Cristiano Ronaldo:
- 16 goals in 18 games for Real Madrid this season
- 38 goals in 42 games for Real Madrid in 2010
- Has scored 14 goals in 12 La Liga games this term
- In last five seasons (first three with Man Utd), has scored: 23, 42, 26, 33, 18

Chalk and cheese they may well be, but in the prolific way they find the net these men - who rarely play as out-and-out strikers - do at least have something in common. And according to the University of Coruna's study, that's not all. They also believe Messi and Ronaldo to be the two fastest players in the history of the game in terms of running with the ball.

So who do you pity more ahead of the game the whole footballing world will be watching, the Barcelona backline or the Real Madrid rearguard? I asked Pamarot who it is easier to play against, and he laughed down the telephone at me. "Haha. Seriously? OK, I want to play against both because they are the ultimate test of your abilities."

Plaudits from pundits and their peers have not been in short supply as the build-up to the most talked-about domestic fixture on Earth grows ever closer. "It is clear to me, Cristiano is number one," said Mourinho. After watching Barca and Messi rip apart his Panathinaikoas side in Europe on Wednesday, midfielder Luis Garcia purred: "Messi is a phenomenon. One can only enjoy his play. Such a player only comes by once in several decades."

Even the Spanish prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has got involved in the debate, claiming he prefers the "dribbles" of Messi to the playing style of Ronaldo, though his opinion should be taken with the caveat that the 50-year-old is a lifelong Barcelona fan.

On Monday, these two footballing phenomena go head-to-head before an expectant audience of about 98,000 people in Barcelona and tens of millions more on television around the world. They will both feel they have an extra point to prove, too: in seven games, Messi has never scored or had an assist against a Mourinho team; similarly in five, Ronaldo has never found the net against Barca.

With the likes of Maradona, Pele and Johan Cruyff all reaching the peak of their powers in different eras, perhaps we should be grateful that for this generation, the stars will collide in front of our very eyes.

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Re: Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 03:50:05 PM »
they play in such an easy league.

Messi would be destroyed in the EPL

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Re: Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2010, 03:54:20 PM »
Messi would be destroyed in the EPL

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Re: Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 04:02:48 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 04:11:36 PM »
i say EPL  8)
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Re: Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 04:25:51 PM »
who have time to study all this european  football when ours in ah mess.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 04:30:24 PM »
who have time to study all this european  football when ours in ah mess.

Plenty people. Our football was always in a mess, nothing aint change.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 04:40:12 PM »
who have time to study all this european  football when ours in ah mess.

EXACTLY Y WE STUDYIN EUROPEAN FOOTBALL.
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Re: Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 04:58:33 PM »
Messi would be destroyed in the EPL



that was unnecessary  ;D

she said EPL.. not one game against United...

and the previous year he didnt make a note in the CL semi final 2 legs... ;)

anyway..back to the point of this thread

Messi is a better passer of the ball...Cristiano is more about drive and attacking space... Messi's sublime composure and passing ability and vision makes him different to Cristiano... Ronaldo is a better striker/winger..Messi is a better attacking midfielder... its very hard to compare two different players but they are the best at what they do... Messi to me is better...and to many people as well... he's class but Ronaldo isnt that far off...it's no one horse race

That game on Monday shall be epic...

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 05:43:40 PM »
Messi would be destroyed in the EPL



that was unnecessary  ;D

she said EPL.. not one game against United...

and the previous year he didnt make a note in the CL semi final 2 legs... ;)

anyway..back to the point of this thread

Messi is a better passer of the ball...Cristiano is more about drive and attacking space... Messi's sublime composure and passing ability and vision makes him different to Cristiano... Ronaldo is a better striker/winger..Messi is a better attacking midfielder... its very hard to compare two different players but they are the best at what they do... Messi to me is better...and to many people as well... he's class but Ronaldo isnt that far off...it's no one horse race

That game on Monday shall be epic...

Far as i remember apart from Paul Scholes scorcher and a very busy Van Der Sar, Man u wasn't saying anything either.

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Re: Messi and Ronaldo, rivals in greatness.
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2010, 05:48:06 PM »
Ronaldo in comparison to/with Messi.......... lol.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2010, 06:07:20 PM »
Messi would be destroyed in the EPL



that was unnecessary  ;D

she said EPL.. not one game against United...

and the previous year he didnt make a note in the CL semi final 2 legs... ;)

anyway..back to the point of this thread

Messi is a better passer of the ball...Cristiano is more about drive and attacking space... Messi's sublime composure and passing ability and vision makes him different to Cristiano... Ronaldo is a better striker/winger..Messi is a better attacking midfielder... its very hard to compare two different players but they are the best at what they do... Messi to me is better...and to many people as well... he's class but Ronaldo isnt that far off...it's no one horse race

That game on Monday shall be epic...

Far as i remember apart from Paul Scholes scorcher and a very busy Van Der Sar, Man u wasn't saying anything either.

hahaha

Who went on to a CL final and won it that year... was it Barca and Messi?

they didnt score a goal.. they hardly had any clear cut chances... Ronaldo missed a penalty in Nou Camp too

fair play to them for winning the final the next year... they deserved it




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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2010, 07:11:01 PM »
they play in such an easy league.

Messi would be destroyed in the EPL

...or he would do to them just what Diego did in 86 .... and I talking bout de second goal ...where bout 7 english players pass een de brew ! Messi is a technical footballer ...want to name some technical english players ? ...players who depend mostly on technique ?

EPL ...entertainment ...for sure ...but for the purist ...not by a long shot ...I just suffered through most of Sunderland vs manshester city ...pure rubbish !! Name a la liga team that humps the ball down the road all the time !!!

You must be joking when you make comments like the one above .....or you must also think that humpty Dumpty was pushed !!

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2010, 07:19:39 PM »
Blah Blah Blah....When World Cup come allyuh does do Sh*t. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2010, 07:31:50 PM »
Blah Blah Blah....When World Cup come allyuh does do Sh*t. 

...and how many tournaments have england won ...in all competitions from under 17 to seniors ? name a promising english young footballer ...someone who the world is talking about ...someone english fans are talking about ??? where have all the flowers gone ?...

Players go to the EPL ...for the money !  ..it was not always so however as there were times when english football was the unacclaimed mecca of football in europe ..but not now my friend ..not now !

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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2010, 12:27:11 AM »
Blah Blah Blah....When World Cup come allyuh does do Sh*t. 

...and how many tournaments have england won ...in all competitions from under 17 to seniors ? name a promising english young footballer ...someone who the world is talking about ...someone english fans are talking about ??? where have all the flowers gone ?...

Players go to the EPL ...for the money !  ..it was not always so however as there were times when english football was the unacclaimed mecca of football in europe ..but not now my friend ..not now !

I ain't talking bout England I talking bout all them iconics.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2010, 06:02:21 AM »
they play in such an easy league.

Messi would be destroyed in the EPL

Why people does argue such rubbish!  Henry make EPL a pappy show and yet struggled in Spain (jut an example). Two EPL coaches said Tevez could not play in the EPL when he first came and now what! Van de vart is largely viewed as a flop in Spain and he dancing in the EPL. Let us just enjoy these two magnificent players, for what they bring to the game of football.
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2010, 07:23:10 AM »
Ronaldo: It is not a duel
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Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo has sought to play down talk of Monday's El Clasico being merely a duel between him and Barcelona ace Lionel Messi.

The pair are widely regarded as the best players on the planet at present and both go into the Camp Nou showdown in phenomenal form.

Ronaldo, 25, has struck 17 times in his last 12 competitive outings for Real, while he has netted 51 goals in just 54 appearances for the Spanish giants overall since his record-breaking £80million move from Manchester United in the summer of 2009.

Messi, 23, is proving equally as unstoppable and has 16 goals in his last 11 appearances for the Catalan giants - during which streak he has netted his sixth hat-trick of 2010 for the club and his 150th official goal for Barça. The duo are also the leading two scorers in La Liga, with Ronaldo having netted 14 goals compared to 13 from Messi.

It is a mouthwatering prospect to see the two superstars go head-to-head in what is one of the most eagerly-awaited meetings in recent times, but Ronaldo insists the focus should not solely be on the of them.

When asked his thoughts on the subject, Ronaldo described it as "silly talk". He said: "It's part of the news, of the press, to sell newspapers. It's normal, but I don't see the game as a duel between us. We are playing 11 against 11, we have to be concerned about everyone," the Portuguese international said. "Of course anyone who scores goals is dangerous, but we have to think about everyone."

Regarding his own role in the Real side, Ronaldo said: "I'm one more player in this team. Things are going well, as much for me as the team, but I don't considered myself to be under more pressure than others. We all have responsibilities. I always want more, that's the way I am, but my team-mates have the same objectives, they all want to do their best, like me."

The match pits the leading two teams in La Liga against each other, with pacesetters Real holding a one-point advantage over Barça, who in turn are seven points clear of third-placed Villarreal as the battle for the Primera Division title already looks to be another two-horse race.

Last season there was a 25-point gap between the two Spanish superpowers and Valencia in third come the end of the campaign, with Barça finishing three points clear of Real after winning both meetings with the capital club. With that in mind, it could be that the two encounters this season will again be crucial.

Ronaldo said: "That could be the case, or it might not be, it's unknown. We will play to win, it's a very important game, we want to win. Will it be decisive? We'll see what happens during the season.

"I hope it's a completely different story [this season]. We haven't lost this season, and this is important because it gives you confidence, but neither can we be relaxed because we know it will be difficult. I'm confident because the team are in good form, the coach [Jose Mourinho] has given us confidence, and we hope to get a good result."
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