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Warner tests coach's selection philosophy.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
Maturana faces Yorker
Experienced football observers may tell you that although goals win matches, they are rarely the turning points. Rather, the decisive strike is the inevitable outcome of a subtle or obvious catalyst that will probably go unnoticed in the following day's match report. Similarly, off the playing field, crucial life-altering decisions are rarely made on examination day.
New Trinidad and Tobago football coach Francisco Maturana faces his own test of nerve this June. There will be no points at stake-not the kind you can tabulate. It will not be his November 19 or November 15 showdown. It is potentially even more important.
On June 1, the England FA have apparently agreed in principle to face the "Soca Warriors" in T&T's most eagerly anticipated friendly since Pele's Santos visited Port of Spain in 1972.
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner is the brains behind the fixture and is understandably eager to make it an unforgettable afternoon. So, as Warner told T&TFF media officer Shaun Fuentes last week, the retired pair of Warriors World Cup captain Dwight Yorke and midfield icon Russell Latapy-arguably the nation's most popular and gifted player-could be invited to feature as "guest players".
Maturana, a Colombian who coached his native country at two World Cups, has barely been on the job for a month but he already forcibly made one point and it is about the benefit of youth.
In his first game in charge on Ash Wednesday, Maturana selected 18-year-old CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh player Khaleem Hyland from the start ahead of, among others, his 31-year-old Jabloteh captain Trent Noel and 32-year-old Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA star Marvin Oliver.
There are six teenagers and four schoolboys in the squad for his next outing, which comes on March 19 against El Salvador. Warner, albeit inadvertently, could undermine the coach's philosophy with two celebrated invitees.
And now, it is up to Maturana to show his squad and, less importantly, the nation who is really in charge for the 2010 World Cup push. The friendly showing might have more bearing on Trinidad and Tobago's qualification chances than one might think.
In 1996, a document that supposedly disclosed tactical suggestions from Warner to then head coach Zoran Vranes-the affable Yugoslavia-born coach is back in Trinidad as national youth team director-was leaked to the media in the aftermath of a 1-0 qualifying loss to Costa Rica.
Another former coach, Vibe CT 105 W Connection boss Stuart Charles-Fevrier, was loudly interrogated about team tactics and selection in his hotel room after a 2-0 loss away to Morocco on September 10, 2003. At least one senior player overheard his boss on the defensive and word spread that the coach, rightly or not, was not his own man.
Neither Fevrier nor Vranes lasted long after their embarrassments, while tales of national coaches who were "advised" to switch mobile phones on at half time in case the special adviser had an instruction are famous in local circles.
The last two national coaches were tested, too. Dutchman Leo Beenhakker resisted when the T&TFF suggested that former stars Russell Latapy and David Nakhid work as his assistant coaches-Nakhid eventually accepted a position as a scout.
When Latapy, at 37, did come back to the fold after discussions with Warner and was trumpeted as a returning hero, Beenhakker quickly pointed out that the "Little Magician" was not guaranteed a squad place for the upcoming qualifier against Guatemala.
Latapy did play and helped inspire Trinidad and Tobago's victory but there was no doubt as to who was calling the shots. On November 15, 2005, with World Cup history at stake, the Dutchman omitted Latapy from the starting line-up and even shunted Yorke to left wing so as to maximise the potential of an in-form Aurtis Whitley.
At Germany 2006, Beenhakker ignored armchair coaches and special advisers by leaving Latapy on the sidelines for most of the nation's World Cup appearance. It was a controversial decision, particularly as Latapy shone when he was introduced against Paraguay, but the strong team spirit Beenhakker inspired by the force of his personality is indisputable.
His compatriot and successor, Wim Rijsbergen, never recovered after having his selection policy dictated to by the T&TFF's infamous "blacklist".
Maturana's own informal test date is set, although fans might argue it is a storm in a teacup. Yorke and Latapy have done more for Trinidad and Tobago football than most over the past two decades. Both still compete at high levels too and, important for the T&TFF, can add glamour to a high-profile occasion.
Latapy did not get the chance to face England at the 2006 World Cup. Yorke, who spent most of his career in England, will be tempted to cross swords again with contemporaries like Steven Gerrard and Wayne Rooney.
But what signal would Maturana send to his own squad by using his most testing warm-up as a fete match?
How do you explain to the likes of Hyland, who came close to a Premiership move to Portsmouth last summer, and Keon Daniel that they must miss the game of their lives thus far so two retired players can have a sweat?
And, more importantly, how does Maturana convince his players that it is he and not Warner who will decide their short-term international ambitions?
Yorke is 36 and a regular player for Sunderland in the England Premier League-one of the most competitive domestic competitions in the world. At present, he is surely still worth a place in the team if he chooses.
He will be 38 by the time the 2010 tournament kicks off, though, and, almost certainly, would have retired or accepted employment in a less strenuous league. Were Yorke to pledge his services to Maturana, it would be an interesting and welcome dilemma. But he is yet to do so.
Latapy turns 40 in August and signs suggest that the curtain is about to be lowered on a memorable career. The Falkirk player has not started a Scotland Premiership fixture since January 2 and played for the entire 90 minutes just three times since last July. Maturana need only look to the opposite bench, this June, for the wisdom of pragmatism over sentiment.
England's new coach, Italian Fabio Capello, ignored pleas from the England Football Association's sponsors and fans to hand David Beckham his 100th cap in a friendly against Switzerland on February 6. Capello refused and explained that he picked his squad solely for football reasons. Beenhakker would concur.
What say you, Maturana?
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Allyuh really eh know Pacho ...
That aside, Mr. Liburd ah like de inquiry as conceptualised - it's a cut above ...
From today's vantage point the match is already a glorified fete match on paper ... it comes a week before Euro 2008 kicks off, but it should also be engaged as witness of how far our football has progressed over a century and it should be used to exorcise the ghosts of underachievement that dominated many of those 100 years
Capello by himself brings credibility to the fixture as he lines up versus Pacho ... it's up to both staffs to stamp an air of authority on the scene ...
From where I stand this match is bigger than personalities although it willl be viewed by many as an opportunity to revisit the WC 2006 game. I think the best view is the past is the past. We should be looking to address the game from as serious a professional approach under the circumstances.
I don't see the utility of having this match function as a sort of testimonial game above all else. I want to dismiss England on full terms. I eh checking for marquee players ... blood de youths if they showing they could handle ... this is what the ARG's of the world do on such friendly occasions ... let's keep everything in perspective ... if Beckham could sweat blood before he geh a 100th cap (who knows whether this will be his lucky day), then man and man can understand dey eh no guaranteed nutten ...de two lions will figure in anyway simply because they are lions ... ah think Lasana could admit that even upon 'football reasons' de two lions still justifiable. Non-issue? After all there is an ambassadorial aspect to this fixture as well.
Well, "ISSUE" but this England friendly may not be the determining forum for assessing coaching independence ...
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This Fu**ing Jacka*s Warner won't let the people do their job in peace, he hire them so I guess he think he have the right to tell them who to pick for national duty. stueps, Yea let's bring back Latapy and Yorke , maybe they might get ah big contarct in England, after all they need it more than the younger ones coming up ;). Alot of people would love to see our 2 heroes back for the England game but personally I rather see the upcoming talent we have against England's finest.
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In addition, some of this vibe would be muted if we faced higher calibre competitors in friendlies on a routine basis.
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Maturana ent no Wimp.
He going to play the team he wants and if Jack ent like it den Pacho going to say adios amigos.
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well, with regard to becks, he has not played in a couple months where as Russell and Dwight are currently playing, so having them play a "FRIENDLY" is not that bad of an Idea....really
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well, with regard to becks, he has not played in a couple months where as Russell and Dwight are currently playing, so having them play a "FRIENDLY" is not that bad of an Idea....really
England's coach wants to use this game to keep looking at players (if you read into his soft opposition diatribe) The TT coach has to use this game for team development with the WC qualifiers in mind, playing a midfield with 2 players who are not part of his overall plans is just romantic nonsense, the only way he would do it is if Yorke and Latapy announce they are coming out of retirement and want to fill Miller like roles.
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Boi shot ,what an article dan . So daiz why ,leo ein t pick Latas ,steuppss .
We have to see how these youths playing before ,we say no to the legends ,oui .Cause I want to beat England .
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well, with regard to becks, he has not played in a couple months where as Russell and Dwight are currently playing, so having them play a "FRIENDLY" is not that bad of an Idea....really
England's coach wants to use this game to keep looking at players (if you read into his soft opposition diatribe) The TT coach has to use this game for team development with the WC qualifiers in mind, playing a midfield with 2 players who are not part of his overall plans is just romantic nonsense, the only way he would do it is if Yorke and Latapy announce they are coming out of retirement and want to fill Miller like roles.
arrite den, I go have to change my opinion about FRIENDLIES as I guess the Coach must use every opportunity to search out his best players and maybe leave romatic situations for fete matches.
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well, with regard to becks, he has not played in a couple months where as Russell and Dwight are currently playing, so having them play a "FRIENDLY" is not that bad of an Idea....really
England's coach wants to use this game to keep looking at players (if you read into his soft opposition diatribe) The TT coach has to use this game for team development with the WC qualifiers in mind, playing a midfield with 2 players who are not part of his overall plans is just romantic nonsense, the only way he would do it is if Yorke and Latapy announce they are coming out of retirement and want to fill Miller like roles.
arrite den, I go have to change my opinion about FRIENDLIES as I guess the Coach must use every opportunity to search out his best players and maybe leave romatic situations for fete matches.
;D ;D So in fete match yuh could meet ah wife ?
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well, with regard to becks, he has not played in a couple months where as Russell and Dwight are currently playing, so having them play a "FRIENDLY" is not that bad of an Idea....really
England's coach wants to use this game to keep looking at players (if you read into his soft opposition diatribe) The TT coach has to use this game for team development with the WC qualifiers in mind, playing a midfield with 2 players who are not part of his overall plans is just romantic nonsense, the only way he would do it is if Yorke and Latapy announce they are coming out of retirement and want to fill Miller like roles.
arrite den, I go have to change my opinion about FRIENDLIES as I guess the Coach must use every opportunity to search out his best players and maybe leave romatic situations for fete matches.
;D ;D So in fete match yuh could meet ah wife ?
yeah, ya could have moves ON AND OFF de field, I guess :rotfl: :rotfl:
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O Gosh NO!!!....I like Maturana style of using young players...E-man you trying to get me vex with this article yes... :rotfl: Great Article it actually would be good if those youths play...Jack warner better keep he tail out of this one...LEAVE THIS MAN LET HIM DO HIS JOB
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O Gosh NO!!!....I like Maturana style of using young players...E-man you trying to get me vex with this article yes... :rotfl: Great Article it actually would be good if those youths play...Jack warner better keep he tail out of this one...LEAVE THIS MAN LET HIM DO HIS JOB
I CONCUR! AMEN! positive.
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This article is stirring up some unnecessary bachannal!!
I ent looking for yuh dey lisana. In less than one month on the job, you claim to "know" his selection policy? I agree that the man is looking at youth, but why you stirring up this type of fire so soon.
We have a new coach who is doing something very positive with our football. Why cant we focus on that? Why are we placing these two individuals on the warpath by force?
And so what if we use that game as a testimonial to our two greatest football ambassadors?
ah love it!!
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If the game is pre advertised as a testimonial then it would effectively quash dis one time. In all reality from a fan's perspective, especially a fan who was unable to go to the world cup to see the boys play i would love to see Yorke and Latas and even Shaka in the flesh run out for a 45 minutes to cap off memorable international careers in what could be a real jubilee occassion broadcasted in front of the world on home soil. The brazils and argentinas of this world have done similar types of farewell games to commemorate storied players in the past.
I guess in context the coach needs to have full control over his team with no interference whatsover and if Maturana puts his foot down then so be it, the overall objective is 2010, I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. With respect to preparation for WC qualifiers i am sure 45 minutes as a testamonial against an opponent who is on a "holiday" retreat will not be overly detrimental to any capaign. I guess the only way to discourage this "constructed" potential confrontation is for both parties to come out and state what the intention is for the game early and upfront.
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This article is stirring up some unnecessary bachannal!!
I ent looking for yuh dey lisana. In less than one month on the job, you claim to "know" his selection policy? I agree that the man is looking at youth, but why you stirring up this type of fire so soon. One can infer much from Lasana stating facts.
We have a new coach who is doing something very positive with our football. Why cant we focus on that? Why are we placing these two individuals on the warpath by force?
And so what if we use that game as a testimonial to our two greatest football ambassadors?
ah love it!!
ummmm Andre, there is no where in the article any opinion by Lasana that states he is aware of the coaches selection policy...nowhere at all.
Rather he illustrated the coaches decsion (during his first month) to look toward the future, to wit the selection of youth players, including 6 teenagers and 4 school boys.
Stirring up fire is a rather subjective opinion too.
Lasana used past history to illustrate what the new coach "may face." He did NOT invent Jack Warner's past antics so he can hardly be accused of "stirring up" anything. If your emotions have not been necessarily "stirred up" by Jack Warner and HIS antics to date, then ah cyar love it at all.
I find that Mr. Lasana Liburd has conceded indirectly that the new coach is doing something positive, and instead of doing a Wim and whining about black listed players, and the unavailability of players, he has called back whom he sees fit for selection and has by passed experience for potential. At least thats what I read when I perused the article.
Lasana's history lesson should be taken for what it is.....a lesson, and pattern of interference by Jack Warner, nutten more, nutten less.
And why should we use the biggest footballing friendly in our history to be a testimonial to players who were part of our History? If Dwight Yorke committs to the qualifying process, then he should be viewed as a possible pick, if he does not, then we should hold a testimonial for him and Latas before the England game. Admittedly, Lasana made some reference to Jack "interfering" with the coach's selection process by stating that it would be good to see Yorke and Latas make guest appearances during the England friendly.
But......
Why should we turn an opportunity to prepare and hone our warriors for battle into a rum and coca-cola event?
It is rare indeed that the TTFF's scheduled friendlies materialise, so when we can gain valueable experience, we should use the opportunity to expose players, experienced and inexperienced, especially against quality opposition.
Besides, haven't we named schools and playing grounds after these two footballing ambassadors? If a testimonial is part of the TTFF's plan for our two most celebrated players, why not bring back the entire WC squad and have a friendly game between those players and the rest of locally and foreign based players who are vying for a spot on the team that is preparing for 2010?
To be forwarned is to be forearmed, Coach Maturana should take note of Lasana's article.
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Lasana is right, why are we wasting a valuable friendly that could benefit the youths for a life time on two retired players ? Might be three things.
1. Persuading Yorke to come back.
2. Offering Latapy assistant coach position.
3. More dollars at the gate for Jack.
Something is up.
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Because the reality of the situation is that NOBODY except the 20 of us local based who going to the game will pay 400 to watch Hyland or Daniel.
However the whole of Trinidad will pay 600 + to see Yorke and Latapy one last time in the flesh vs Gerrard and Rooney.
Progress and Development could take a rest for one more game.
Besides they was lucky to get a sweat vs Guadelope in the first place.
That is the reailty.
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doh be to surprize YORKE and LATARS dont know nuttin bout wah stinking kobo jack talkin about .
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Because the reality of the situation is that NOBODY except the 20 of us local based who going to the game will pay 400 to watch Hyland or Daniel.
However the whole of Trinidad will pay 600 + to see Yorke and Latapy one last time in the flesh vs Gerrard and Rooney.
Progress and Development could take a rest for one more game.
Besides they was lucky to get a sweat vs Guadelope in the first place.
That is the reailty.
Yuh hit the nail on the head there Touches.
Jack have a game to sell. England is a big draw but England vs Dwight and Latas is the biggest.
if Dwight and Latas play they should ask for a percentage of the gate. Not the profit because we know jack will claim that we take a loss on the game.
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Because the reality of the situation is that NOBODY except the 20 of us local based who going to the game will pay 400 to watch Hyland or Daniel.
However the whole of Trinidad will pay 600 + to see Yorke and Latapy one last time in the flesh vs Gerrard and Rooney.
Progress and Development could take a rest for one more game.
That is the reailty.
look de answer right dey...who go sell de most tickets
Jack studyin de pocket first and foremost.then after dat he studying he pocket...then he wallet third..then patriotism will be 5th behind he son pocket
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We eh developn nutten since after d Wc so 1 more match eh go not make we reach d WC.
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England squad vs Dwight and/or Latas...yeah I see man spending Visa Application money fuh dat game.
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Because the reality of the situation is that NOBODY except the 20 of us local based who going to the game will pay 400 to watch Hyland or Daniel.
However the whole of Trinidad will pay 600 + to see Yorke and Latapy one last time in the flesh vs Gerrard and Rooney.
Progress and Development could take a rest for one more game.
Besides they was lucky to get a sweat vs Guadelope in the first place.
That is the reailty.
AMEN
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This article is stirring up some unnecessary bachannal!!
I ent looking for yuh dey lisana. In less than one month on the job, you claim to "know" his selection policy? I agree that the man is looking at youth, but why you stirring up this type of fire so soon.
We have a new coach who is doing something very positive with our football. Why cant we focus on that? Why are we placing these two individuals on the warpath by force?
And so what if we use that game as a testimonial to our two greatest football ambassadors?
ah love it!!
warner light this fire when he suggested that he might bring back Latas and Yorke. With time so short every minute of every game should be used to prepare the team for the WC campaign.
but nobody cyah deny it would be sweet to see them both play in that game vs England
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The key question is..
Is this England game a World Cup preparation game or a centennial celebration fixture?
Seeing as from all indications, it is the latter, it is reasonable that two of our football's biggest heros could be honored in such a game and invited to play. There are ways in which the arrangement can be done without having the match lose its competitive edge.
Now I could be mistaken, but I'm almost sure Romario was either a part of a similar arrangement with the Brazilian team, or there was clamour for it long after he retired..
I think Lasana jumping the gun with the inference in the article that the suggestion will initiate a clash of heads between Maturana and Warner over team selection policies. It still too early to be raising that kinda bacchanal, cause for all you know, Maturana might be receptive to the idea.
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O Gosh NO!!!....I like Maturana style of using young players...E-man you trying to get me vex with this article yes... :rotfl: Great Article it actually would be good if those youths play...Jack warner better keep he tail out of this one...LEAVE THIS MAN LET HIM DO HIS JOB
Agreed...but this behavior is nothing new for Jack. In 1985 when Clint Marcell made his debut at the senior level for T&T at the HCS vs Gothenburg of Sweden...JW came to the lockerroom after the team had warmed up and instructed the coach (Dutch man...I don't recall the name)that Clint must play. Clint did play and his opportunity came at the expence of another young (21 year old-Renrick Jones) player who was at the time the country's leading goal scorer.He was made to undress from his T&T uniform on the night he was also making his debut. Needless to say that was the end of his career.Anyone on here who know of this player might attest to his abilities.
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Marcelle actually made his debut against Swedent. Not Gothernburgh.
Zchwartikus was the Coach.
We got 5-0 in that game.
VB
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Marcelle actually made his debut against Swedent. Not Gothernburgh.
Zchwartikus was the Coach.
We got 5-0 in that game.
VB
VB - you're correct, it was Sweden and that was the score ...I could not remember the coach's name. Anyway, do you know who Renrick Jones (Jonesy)was. He was playing for Maple at the time, and later played for ASL before moving to Brooklyn.
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is Mr Liburd reporting, commenting or hypothesizin and joinin the ranks of seer men......as someone said if he(Maturana) is receptive, he damn if he do, an damn if he don't...is one ting to bash Jack, buh doh put the new coach in more headache than he need nah...he come with ah open mind, let Jack close it if dah is how it must go, buh let we (Lisana is one ah we imo)) doh be ah part of that closure/pressure tactic..what jus to say....we did tell him so....ah doh think he go listen to we (fans) before anybody else...so let Maturana decisions take it's coure, an not..Patriot or Valderama did tell im what to do...dahs why we get what we get...some go sing either way...."as long as ah get it, ah ...."
easy Mr. Liburd doh jump the gun
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The national stadium did not sell out when the brazilian old all stars came to play us back in 2004? People would pay money to come and see Rooney Gerrard A Cole Bentley etc .. Ignore the that ash Wednesday game people had the hang over from carnival .i hope Yorke and latapy decline any invitation...
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wa we want yorke an latas takin up spots for?..to get blown past by bentley? hard jam from barry? i tink is time we put aside sentiment for dis one..if maturana is working with the young bloods from all now u tellin me in jus over 3 months come time for big friendly dey have to scrub bench jus cuz we wanna 'see' latas and yorke?..see wat?!..dis is a good chance for some of dese youths to be exposed on an international stage and im sure will be watched by guzillion scouts back in d UK an europe...if yorke an latas wanna contribute let dem do so in d backroom staff...leh yorke an latas sign autograph outside d stadium if yuh wanna jus see dem...im really likin pacho's youth philosophy..i tired seein a soca warrior side wit recycled and reused players...leh we look forward nuh
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Under all the kicks why should they refuse?
To line up vs England at home in POS...to wear the red black and white.
To have all your family, friends and most of all fans get the chance to see you again and to go out in a "Blaze of Glory"
and finally...toget a chance to recreate The ZEN Experience (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=15049.msg155231#msg155231)
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Under all the kicks why should they refuse?
To line up vs England at home in POS...to wear the red black and white.
To have all your family, friends and most of all fans get the chance to see you again and to go out in a "Blaze of Glory"
and finally...toget a chance to recreate The ZEN Experience (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=15049.msg155231#msg155231)
So both players should be selfish touches and think about themselves ... I doubt that trinidad football is bigger than them 2
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I do not see a problem with inviting Yorke and Latapy to play for 10 minutes in a game which is seems is first a centennial testimonial. But Maturana have a job to do and can still use most of the game to kook at his players. My problem with this whole deal is that it hits the papers in February. That is because JW always wants to upstage people. He could have quietly gone to Maturana and say,
"Look, this is a testimonial and these two guys have done a lot for our football. I would like to invite them to the game and have them play for a few minutes as an honor to them and recognition of what they have done for TT football. It will be good for our fans as well to see them for the last time, and the rest of the game we have our best players and beat England."
Maturana is a reasonable man and could hardly refuse a respectfull request. But Jack wants to be seen as the boss and so the proposal hits the media. We can certainly accomplish everything and everyone can be happy if it is approached in a respectfull and reasonable way. And we still don't know if Latapy and Yorke want to play.
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Damed if you do,damed if you do not,if this game comes to pass,it will sure Tell us how much balls the new coach has,I pray that he tells Jack to shut up
It allways nostalgic when looking back but 2010 is almost upon us and there is no commitment from Yorke to date as to wether he will be with us on this campaign,so I say let the coach do his stuff,with the talent thats available,we have already wasted time with Jack and his bullshit mentality and we are not sure as to who relay wants to play seeing that THE ADVISER ,is still trying to squeeze big man balls in this day and age
If Jack want that much input then fire the coach and let Jack run the whole show he can even be the coach but it Will not be T&T but Jack`s team,which as it appears to me is what it is already
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Because the reality of the situation is that NOBODY except the 20 of us local based who going to the game will pay 400 to watch Hyland or Daniel.
However the whole of Trinidad will pay 600 + to see Yorke and Latapy one last time in the flesh vs Gerrard and Rooney.
Progress and Development could take a rest for one more game.
That is the reailty.
look de answer right dey...who go sell de most tickets
Jack studyin de pocket first and foremost.then after dat he studying he pocket...then he wallet third..then patriotism will be 5th behind he son pocket
For both posts..... :applause: :applause: :salute:
,it will sure Tell us how much balls the new coach has,I pray that he tells Jack to shut up
On an old episode of 60 mins, ah translator was afraid to tell the Ayatolah Khomeni what the interviewer from CBS asked.....
Ah feel Anton goh be in de same position if Maturana want to tell JacK shut up.... ;D
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You know why its a good move...
Because nobody on the TT team better than two of them even at their age.
Bring them down to the camp and have them train with the youths.
Even if it is to pull up in a rental and have one youth man look at a watch, item of clothing or a pair of personalised boots...something that could inspire you to dream, set a target and say yes...I want that.
Watch meh yuh does be in awe when yuh standing amongst greats...I wonder which small man growing up does be in awe at some of the fellas on the team today.
Even if you give both of them fellas 20 min. Having them around will do wonders to all involved.
Its a feel good factor that you cannot deny or escape. A sense of calm, a feeling that something can happen, a moment of magic and brilliance.......and that dear readers is what the non footballing public will pay to see.
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is Mr Liburd reporting, commenting or hypothesizin and joinin the ranks of seer men......as someone said if he(Maturana) is receptive, he damn if he do, an damn if he don't...is one ting to bash Jack, buh doh put the new coach in more headache than he need nah...he come with ah open mind, let Jack close it if dah is how it must go, buh let we (Lisana is one ah we imo)) doh be ah part of that closure/pressure tactic..what jus to say....we did tell him so....ah doh think he go listen to we (fans) before anybody else...so let Maturana decisions take it's coure, an not..Patriot or Valderama did tell im what to do...dahs why we get what we get...some go sing either way...."as long as ah get it, ah ...."
easy Mr. Liburd doh jump the gun
this was exactly my point!! this article stirring up unneccesary bachannal!!
Let's wait to see how it unfolds, not bring it into being!
Another point, i disagree with allyuh fellas! ENGLAND WILL SELL WITH OR WITHOUT YORKE AND LATAS!
Not everyone was fortunate like me to go to the world cup and see them players in the flesh.
Seeing England play have nothing to do with patriotism, man who hate Trinidad going and come to see Rooney, Ferdninand, Gerrard, Lampard in the flesh. That game going and score and it going and score big. England could be playing against the Under 23 side that Grenada beat! People going and come and see the three lions.
Yorke and Latas will bring some sentiment to the game but in terms of dollars and cents, it ent going and make a difference.
Maybe if it was a second tier team like Belgium or Ireland or Ecuador or Japan or Nigeria then i could see the need for the "Yorke and Latas pull". But Trinidad people live and breath English football on their TV screens so i telling you that Jack going and make money regardless!
ah love it!!
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But Andre is Lampard and dem self I going and see.
I want to watch the players who I does put on meh Fantasy League side on a weekly basis.
It is entertainment. I will pay top $$$ to see men run hard and do things that the avg player cannot do.
I will pay top $$$ to see a 30 yard bullet from Gerrard live.
You pay money according to the quality that is on display.
Conversely
You can understand why man was bawling to pay 150 to see Guadeloupe and the stands were empty.
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Were not Yorke and Latas on the Black-list
Warner is ah Joke yes
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But Andre is Lampard and dem self I going and see.
I want to watch the players who I does put on meh Fantasy League side on a weekly basis.
It is entertainment. I will pay top $$$ to see men run hard and do things that the avg player cannot do.
I will pay top $$$ to see a 30 yard bullet from Gerrard live.
You pay money according to the quality that is on display.
Conversely
You can understand why man was bawling to pay 150 to see Guadeloupe and the stands were empty.
Exactly my point, but i am seeing in a previous post you and JDB suggesting that the "real" pull would be yorke and latas
Because the reality of the situation is that NOBODY except the 20 of us local based who going to the game will pay 400 to watch Hyland or Daniel.
However the whole of Trinidad will pay 600 + to see Yorke and Latapy one last time in the flesh vs Gerrard and Rooney.
Progress and Development could take a rest for one more game.
Besides they was lucky to get a sweat vs Guadelope in the first place.
That is the reailty.
Yuh hit the nail on the head there Touches.
Jack have a game to sell. England is a big draw but England vs Dwight and Latas is the biggest.
if Dwight and Latas play they should ask for a percentage of the gate. Not the profit because we know jack will claim that we take a loss on the game.
My point is that England could be playing against an All Star Socawarriors.net forum team and the price is 1000 covered and 700 uncovered adn the stadium will ram out!!
ah love it!!
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My point is that England could be playing against an All Star Socawarriors.net forum team and the price is 1000 covered and 700 uncovered adn the stadium will ram out!!
ah love it!!
I want tuh come off de bench for this team andre... lol :devil: :devil:
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Just my 2 cents,if England coming to play T&T in Trinidad who you all think going to attract the crowd,bringing back Yorke and Latapy or the English national team players and their Coach?this really should be a none issue,nobody wants to see them fellas,we used to seeing them already,how long are we trying to hold on to these two guys,they retired before we brought them back(alright fine),they retire again(what now),time to move on.We complain about exposure and experience for our younger/local players,we always waiting for the serious games to expose them then say they no good,playing against players of that calibre is a psychological blow mind for inexperience players,now is the time to get these guys in there.
I like what this new Coach is doing,the only thing i'm fearfull off is that he don't have enough time to accomplish what he wants too,what he implementing takes time,how much time he has is anyone's guess because WC qualifying is upon us,i know people just waiting to compare him with other Coaches and say i told you so,but it's T&T Football everybody knows.Anybody that knows Jack know he has a history of interfering in the selection of our national teams,i don't know this Coach but so far he is making decisions and standing firm on them,real Coaches stand by what ever decisions they make right or wrong,does Jack have another Coach ready at this stage if this one don't work for him?
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Just my 2 cents,if England coming to play T&T in Trinidad who you all think going to attract the crowd,bringing back Yorke and Latapy or the English national team players and their Coach?this really should be a none issue,nobody wants to see them fellas,we used to seeing them already,how long are we trying to hold on to these two guys,they retired before we brought them back(alright fine),they retire again(what now),time to move on.We complain about exposure and experience for our younger/local players,we always waiting for the serious games to expose them then say they no good,playing against players of that calibre is a psychological blow mind for inexperience players,now is the time to get these guys in there.
I like what this new Coach is doing,the only thing i'm fearfull off is that he don't have enough time to accomplish what he wants too,what he implementing takes time,how much time he has is anyone's guess because WC qualifying is upon us,i know people just waiting to compare him with other Coaches and say i told you so,but it's T&T Football everybody knows.Anybody that knows Jack know he has a history of interfering in the selection of our national teams,i don't know this Coach but so far he is making decisions and standing firm on them,real Coaches stand by what ever decisions they make right or wrong,does Jack have another Coach ready at this stage if this one don't work for him?
the best response ive heard so far breds :beermug: real knowledge by coops here, if yorkeget selected by maturana, fine, but if not, i rather see a youth, local or another player part of the 2010 set up play and do well, i see yorke many times, people have to put aside seeing latas and yorke, i want tuh see players like guerra and dem play and do well against england, bc they are our future, yorke and latas are the past, they have served well, heading into the qualifying campaign we need to focus on gettin ready to go to another world cup not testimonial matches that mean nuttin to us qualifying again... and if u dont want 2 pay 2 see local and youths play england, dont go, stay home and watch de match bc if i was home, no matter who playing for the red, white and black, i goin 2 see dem beat england...
God is de BOSS.....
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Lasana is right, why are we wasting a valuable friendly that could benefit the youths for a life time on two retired players ? Might be three things.
1. Persuading Yorke to come back.
2. Offering Latapy assistant coach position.
3. More dollars at the gate for Jack.
Something is up.
Ah was going and type dat, not de same words, but it would mean de same thing. Trust meh something really up. May be wid de tapes he looked at and den looking at our talent available, he made a decision to have Yorke and Latapy in de mix tuh help de team fuh de 2010 WCQ. These guys are still fit, performing at a very high level, against much younger players. I eh worried about dat fuh now nah. Fack dat, leh we enjoy de moment, when de game over, den we go worry and think about what next fuh Yorke and Latapy. Fuh right now, Latapyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy will be back :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Touches.....is Lampard yuh going tuh see ??...wham ?..it have no Arsenal men dey o wha ??...
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Allthough I agree with sentiments in general, let us noyt forget that the reason this game is being organized (if JW is right) is to celebrate the 100th year. Without the centennial celebration, I would say Yorke and Latapy aboslutely not. However, nothing wrong with showcasing them for a ten minute sweat, then getting serious for the next 80 minutes. Don't tell me that soehow that will nullify all the plans the coach have. Again, my objection is that hthis should even be discussed in the media at this point. Jack should talk with Maturana and shut his big mouth.
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D waggonist go come 2 see Latas and Yorke and we will come to see Rooney etal. JW will laugh he way 2 d bank as per usual
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Touches.....is Lampard yuh going tuh see ??...wham ?..it have no Arsenal men dey o wha ??...
;D Only Walcott but I am sure Seon Power go have him in he back pocket.
Lampard vs Theobold is a more intriguing encounter
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THE 20-25 a we goin the game cuz is a trinidad game and try as we like we will go any tnt game cuz thats how we is
the rest a d island comin to see the prem men who hav them gettin cus from they wife every saturday and sunday mornin and who the peltin out a sportsmax price to see
;D
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what make allyuh assume all the die hard T&T football fans does log on to this site?
having internet access is some kinda pre-requisite?
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so yuh go read all them local articles about socawarriors.net , google soca warriors or ttff or trindad football and never even stun=mble on the site
if yuh is a die hard yuh right friggin here somewhere
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Allthough I agree with sentiments in general, let us noyt forget that the reason this game is being organized (if JW is right) is to celebrate the 100th year. Without the centennial celebration, I would say Yorke and Latapy aboslutely not. However, nothing wrong with showcasing them for a ten minute sweat, then getting serious for the next 80 minutes. Don't tell me that soehow that will nullify all the plans the coach have. Again, my objection is that hthis should even be discussed in the media at this point. Jack should talk with Maturana and shut his big mouth.
yuh really think them men flying all the way back here for a 10 minutes?
is that even fair to them, if they playing let them at least sweat a half. it go jus be a half a future player doh get a sweat.
there is however a simple soltuion to this problem, the TTFF jus have to make sure there are enough other games with which to prepare the team.
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so yuh go read all them local articles about socawarriors.net , google soca warriors or ttff or trindad football and never even stun=mble on the site
if yuh is a die hard yuh right friggin here somewhere
lol..
Well i guess all die-hard trini fans from the demographic of society that have internet access (far less internet literacy) to be on this website on a regular basis..
okk then..
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Marcelle actually made his debut against Swedent. Not Gothernburgh.
Zchwartikus was the Coach.
We got 5-0 in that game.
VB
VB - you're correct, it was Sweden and that was the score ...I could not remember the coach's name. Anyway, do you know who Renrick Jones (Jonesy)was. He was playing for Maple at the time, and later played for ASL before moving to Brooklyn.
The name sounds familiar but so many years later, I am not sure.
For some reason,, the name Roderick Jones is in my head :-)
VB