Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!
Level licks sharing....
Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!! lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!
Level licks sharing....
Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!! lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!
Level licks sharing....
Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!! lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
this is a job for captain planass
Company sales executive Natasha Simmons was quoted in the Independent as confirming that the company's package remained unaltered. When contacted by the Express, though, Simmons said she was not authorised to speak on the matter.
Expected....
But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?
Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden :devil:Bulletproof Jack.hahahaha :rotfl:
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)
Friday, March 17th 2006
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner has legally distanced himself from Simpaul's Travel Service as the 2006 World Cup ticket scandal nears full time.
Warner, one of six ordinary FIFA vice-presidents, had his name removed as the owner of Simpaul's Travel by the Ministry of Legal Affairs early last week. The names of his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, were also expunged from the Simpaul's Travel records.
Warner's legal sidestep is the latest twist in the Simpaul saga, which began with a series of articles in the Express last year that highlighted his joint interests in local football as administrator and businessman, and led to the UNC deputy political leader being convicted of breaching FIFA's code of ethics last month.
Between yesterday and today, FIFA was to decide on the ramifications of Warner's actions, which carry the threat of expulsion.
Section three of the FIFA Code of Ethics governing "Eligibility for and removal from office" states:
"Only persons with the highest ethical principles who are willing to be bound by this Code without reservation may serve as an official or a member of a body. Anyone who does not fulfil or ceases to fulfil these conditions shall be deemed ineligible to serve as an official or a member of a body and, if already in office, shall be relieved of that position.
"The same applies to persons convicted of an offence that calls into question their ability to discharge their duties. Prior to being elected or appointed as an official or a member of a body, all persons must automatically declare any interests they have that may interfere with their duties."
On November 26, 2005, ten days after the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup tournament in Germany, Warner announced that Simpaul's Travel had paid the T&TFF $500,000 to be its official ticket distributor.
Warner did not say, at the time, that he was a director at Simpaul's along with his wife and sons. T&TFF president Oliver Camps also claimed ignorance of this fact when questioned by the Express.
Once Simpaul's ownership became a matter of public discussion, Warner admitted his role in the company on January 3, 2006, but denied receiving a single ticket from the T&TFF, and insisted that his supplier was an unnamed European tour operator.
Warner is a board member of the FIFA Organising Committee for World Cup 2006 and Bureau 2006 FIFA World Cup, which are directly responsible for the planning of the upcoming event.
At his February 15 meeting with FIFA to discuss his ticket distribution business, Warner dropped the mysterious European seller and claimed to receive 1,770 World Cup tickets from the T&TFF. This figure, if correct, means that Warner's family could have pocketed near $18 million from ticket sales, factoring a profit of $10,000 per ticket on his package, which is valued at $30,000 each.
Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".
Warner was nevertheless found guilty by the FIFA Committee for Ethics and Fair Play and is the first FIFA Executive Committee member to ever suffer that fate.
It could possibly get worse by today. Warner will travel with more than Simpaul's change of directorship for protection.
A March 7 release from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which is headed by his long time friend and employee Harold Taylor, insisted that its 30 member nations stood "united in full support of their president, Jack Warner".
FIFA must now decide whether they believe Warner was ignorant of what constitutes a conflict of interest in the first place and that a name change and a few statements suggest he has subsequently mended his ways.
Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
Expected....
But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)
Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.
At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.
some people rel dottish.
he runs that place.
He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.
FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.
some people rel dottish.
he runs that place.
He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.
FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.
He IS the president of FIFA. Last year before the Baharian game andre baptiste ask him if sepp step aside if he would contest the presidency he said of course. andre ask how long he think sepp have he answer....as long as i give him :devil:
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.
At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH
Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.
At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH
Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.Because corruption is acceptable in T&T society, if we benifit? Hope you don't critcise the PNM/UNC or any politician... can't condone it in one place and turn a blind on another.
Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow ;D
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.Because corruption is acceptable in T&T society, if we benifit? Hope you don't critcise the PNM/UNC or any politician... can't condone it in one place and turn a blind on another.
Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow ;D
Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.
At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH
Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off.
I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
and breezers man... yuh sellin yuhself short.
yuh cyah jes except blatant corruption simply becuase its in our favour...
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
Jefferz me eh sayin tuh except corruption..cuz we all noe dat Jack runnin he racket and in ah timin dah go geh deal wit..wuh I sayin iz..it iz a fact dat if Jack wasn't in de position he in,Concacaf wouldna geh dah half spot...callin dah shot fuh Concacaf eh ha nuttin tuh do wit corruption..iz all bout using de weight he have.Think bout it besides Jack who in Fifa really care fuh de concacaf region????? So dyez all I sayin de Boss..me eh defendin Jack an me eh wuh peolpe to accept de wrong he doin. Large Up!!!!!
Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?
eh?
Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?
Guess FIFA know how to make sure they get "Jackoff" :devil:LOL :rotfl:
Boo Doo Boom Ping :rotfl:
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden :devil:
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.I echo your sentiments 100%, I also find it sickening. This is what I feel is wrong with our country, people are just too willing to accept corruption if it benifits them, at all levels of society. I can say with a straight face now, if we won't make another world cup without Jack Warner, I will still want him to go.
some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.
You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face ;D and say he is good for our regional football???
DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?
He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.
my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.
stewps. sickening.
Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?
eh?
An noe de man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region and yes anybody else in dah position would do de same..buh dyez de easiest part of de process ( tuh request ah half spot fuh Concacaf)..de hard part is tuh geh de OK from Fifa and dyez way I believe Jack influence work in Concacaf favour. U really think dat any ordinary person could achieve dat so easily?? an doe even mention de States, Mexico and Costa Rica past performances cuz me eh feel dah had ah major impact on de final decision.So fuh de last time ME EH DEFENIN Mr. Austin Jack Warner..dyez jus my opinion. Easy!!!!!!
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
So you must be real bright then.Quoteits better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
So you must be real bright then.Quoteits better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.
some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.
You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face ;D and say he is good for our regional football???
DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?
He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.
my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.
stewps. sickening.
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.
some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.
You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face ;D and say he is good for our regional football???
DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?
He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.
my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.
stewps. sickening.
::)
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.
some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.
You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face ;D and say he is good for our regional football???
DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?
He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.
my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.
stewps. sickening.
::)
you are an idiot.
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.
some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.
You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face ;D and say he is good for our regional football???
DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?
He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.
my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.
stewps. sickening.
::)
you are an idiot.
::) why bother
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.
some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.
You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face ;D and say he is good for our regional football???
DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?
He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.
my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.
stewps. sickening.
::)
you are an idiot.
::) why bother
"why bother" well considering you wrote that... hence bothering yourself when you ask why obviously confirms you are an idiot.
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
So you must be real bright then.Quoteits better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
stewps.
haul yuh ass nuh.
you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.
Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.
stewps.
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
So you must be real bright then.Quoteits better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
stewps.
haul yuh ass nuh.
you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.
Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.
stewps.
Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.
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Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
So you must be real bright then.Quoteits better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
stewps.
haul yuh ass nuh.
you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.
Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.
stewps.
Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.
oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.
So you must be real bright then.Quoteits better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
stewps.
haul yuh ass nuh.
you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.
Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.
stewps.
Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.
oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.
what :o could fight :rotfl: taking them self defense classes
FIFA clears Jack Warner over World Cup tickets.
ZURICH, (Reuters) - FIFA said on Friday that no action would be taken against vice-president Jack Warner over a World Cup ticketing controversy.
Warner is special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation. Trinidad have qualified for the World Cup for the first time.
Warner invited FIFA to investigate his relationship with Simpaul Travel Service after the Trinidad and Tobago Express newspaper alleged Trinidad's allocation of tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany would be handled solely by the company.
"There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference.
"It was decided the matter had to be closed."
In February FIFA said its ethics committee concluded that because of his involvement with Simpaul Travel Service in Port-of-Spain, Warner had a conflict of interest over World Cup tickets and "as a result, he has violated FIFA's Code of Ethics".
He could have been expelled from world soccer's ruling body if found guilty by the executive committee.
Warner has been one of president Blatter's closest allies since his appointment to FIFA's executive in 1983.
Trinidad have been drawn with England, Sweden and Paraguay in Group B at the World Cup which begins on June 9.
FIFA lets off Jack Warner.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).[/size]
No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.
A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"
The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.
Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.
FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.
The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.
But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.
If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.
Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.
The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.
The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.
Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.
The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.
It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.
Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present, Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.
FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.
"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."
Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.
"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.
"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."
A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
Phagwa Jack 'wines' on critics.
BY: Richard Charan (Express).
Back home after being let off by the Executive Committee of FIFA on charges of ethics violations, Jack Warner wined on stage with Phagwa celebrants and then "wined" on his critics, although he said they wanted to kill him politically.
Warner said that before jetting home from Switzerland on Saturday night, he was the one who applied for, and was granted more tickets for sale to Trinidadians wanting to see the Soca Warriors in action in Germany.
Warner was in a celebratory mood last evening at a Phagwa function held at Palmiste Pastures, San Fernando.
Last Friday, FIFA President Joseph Sepp Blatter announced that Warner, a FIFA Vice President, had been cleared of all charges arising out of his family's ownership of Simpaul's Travel Agency. The agency is the sole ticketing agent for the World Cup. FIFA investigated the charges based on an exclusive Express investigation, and after Warner requested an investigation.
Warner, the UNC's Deputy Political Leader, said: "As we all know, the allegations was a political matter. They thought they would discredit me, kill my spirit, my good name and my standing in my country. They figured if they killed me, it would affect the UNC but it didn't work. But don't believe this would be the last time they will try this."
He added: "They will cross me again and I am ready for them. I am happy to be among my people. I feel at home."
Warner said of his family's travel agency: "I have severed ties with the travel service.
I asked FIFA to tell me where is the conflict of interest. They didn't tell me. I went to them, so what is the big hullabaloo?"
Warner, who was doused with abeer and plastered with coloured powder during his stage antics, also promised to tell all about the "level of treachery" involved in in the FIFA ticketing scandal.
About the World Cup tickets, Warner said: "We are getting more tickets.
All those people who wanted four (tickets) and under will get. I made an application and FIFA have accepted it. We will have more tickets than we need."
jack is ah con full stop..if yuh want add ah T
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?
I ask this question in response to dis..
in a similar vein..
Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility
i am just throwing this out for discussion..
we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.
we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.
But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.
Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?
If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.
Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so? Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.
Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.
But what do you guys think?
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....
in a similar vein..
Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility
i am just throwing this out for discussion..
we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.
we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.
But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.
Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?
If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.
Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so? Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.
Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.
But what do you guys think?
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?
I ask this question in response to dis..
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.
There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.
He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?
I ask this question in response to dis..
Hmmmm, that is an toughy!! lol
Is it brand name clothes, a top class university and plenty nice food?
What are the options? I only getting bull once every four years? I wouldnt have to eat anyting otherwise?
We should do a anonymous poll..........lol
ah love it!!
ps, good one gilbert!!
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.
There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.
He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...
And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.
U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.
Jack is no mere villian padna...
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?
BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.
There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.
He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...
And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.
U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.
Jack is no mere villian padna...
So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?
You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.QuoteU didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?
And rightly so.
Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.
And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.
I'm sure you're proud.
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....
I didn't even want to open this thread. . .
If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???
We don't negotiate with terrorists, nor devils.
Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....
'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify. I don't care to go into it.
Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.
BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.
US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF. Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement. I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.
I say we better off without Jack.
I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.
I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present. Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be. That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico. As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?
Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.
Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time. By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.
We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended. The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them. You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts. You will always see the best NT on display at all times.
The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to :'(
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....
'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify. I don't care to go into it.
Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.
What good has he brought to TnT soccer???? Compare the development of US soccer and TnT soccer since 90 where at the time we had a better national structure...and after you do that tell me how much good has he done for our game...
BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.
US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF. Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement. I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.
The term "operates under the umbrella of CONCACAF" was my intended meaning. Coming from an uninformed T&T perspective I automatically link CONCACAF more strongly to its memeber federations because of Warner's long reach into the affairs of the TTFF and his bullying of the Dominican federation.
Come to think of it has Jack been implicated in shady deals with other feds like Panama or Mexico?
Basically I did not realize that the USSF was completely independent of CONCACAF. I thought that Warner would be the puppet master in that federation just as he is in TTFF, just to a lesser extent.
The question I had asked was whether Warner has ever been implicated in bobol in other federations? I recall a discussion on this board about him negotiating TV rights to Mexico/T&T games at exorbitant profit.
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If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?
I ask this question in response to dis..
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?
I ask this question in response to dis..
The biggest problem with this set-up, oconnorg, is that we as a people know that jack bullin we, yet we steady cockin' up we ass to take de jammin' EVERY TIME.
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.
There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.
He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...
And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.
U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.
Jack is no mere villian padna...
So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?
You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.QuoteU didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?
And rightly so.
Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.
And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.
I'm sure you're proud.
You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.
There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.
He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...
And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.
U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.
Jack is no mere villian padna...
So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?
You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.QuoteU didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?
And rightly so.
Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.
And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.
I'm sure you're proud.
You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.
So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.
Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football. He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.
Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.
Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it. Concacaf never even had a semi finalist.
Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania. That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.
Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.
Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.
He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification. Where was the govt? It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.
He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!
ah love it!!
So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.Lol...nah dred, it simply means that some men (in this case Spidey) have an understated sense of sarcasm that might be lost on many, especially the unfamiliar.
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.
Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football. He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.
Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.
Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it. Concacaf never even had a semi finalist.
Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania. That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.
Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.
Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.
He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification. Where was the govt? It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.
He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!
ah love it!!
Andre... the only thing I disagree with is you depositing the responsibility for these things at the doorstep of the government. Look at other FIFA nations, football isn't the responsibility of the respective local governments it is the responsibility of the local federation. So yeah, give Jack credit if yuh want but yuh cyah really say he picking up some slack that the government let go...Jack pick up de slack dat he own TTFF let go.
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.
We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.See Post...................DAT is Post
We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.
All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.
We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.
All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.
We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.
All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.
NOBODY knows what T&T football would have been like without jackula. Some of us are just a little more willing to take whatever shaft jack is willing to give for the sake of some short term enjoyment. As if England coming to T&T is really going to do for T&T football what a few well placed developmental programs could not have done for it already.I really like the kinda logic allyuh football intelectuals does put forth for the sake of arguing. Men will watch jackula treat us and our players like shit, treat so many of our coaches like shit, misappropriate all the funds that T&T football produces, and be happy to go in a nice brand new beat-up stadium to watch Enland lollygag while they on vacation. Talk about progress.Chow
The World Cup Tournament has grown over the years, and If I am not mistaken, at one point it was only a 16-nation tournament that has now expanded to 32. The inevitability of more berths for all of the federations seems apparent to me. T&T is a nation that has produced the likes of Warren Archibald, Earl Carter, Steve Joseph and many, many more men who can hold their own at the international level without the benefit of a proper youth development program in our country. I can only imagine how many more players like them we would have produced and how well we would be competing for that THIRD SPOT (fack a tree point 5)
if we DID have one. jackula ain't de only one who holding T&T football ransom, but I will gladly gamble with what we could have had going for us without jack. My ass woulda STILL be in Germany having a good time in '06!
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.
You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.
Just another way of looking at your argument.
Blessings
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.
We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.
All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.
Is it really that hard to follow???
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made. Think of it this way...three cars racing down the track, each at 100 mph. Cars 1 and 2 have a two- car lead on car three. Unless car three travels faster than the other two cars it's not going to catch, let alone pass the two leaders. If there are only two prizes (WC berths) then car three will never get a prize unless it finishes ahead of the two leaders.
Another way is to create a third...and even a fourth prize, that way even though car three still finishes behind the other two, it too gets a prize. Guess who created that third/fourth prize? Unless you're realistically arguing that Jack held back our development to the point that he prevented us from passing the US/Mexico...we were never going to the World Cup.
Not that hard.
Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.
By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D
So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....
that is real toots...
Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...
Of course he would seek the best interest of the region... but I don't think we should fool ourselves to ignore that Jack pushes the interests of CONCACAF generally... but the interest of TnT football specifically. Any gains made by a CONCACAF nation under his watch benefits his legacy. Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other.
so anyhowz
BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?
Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.
By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D
I could concede that...an argument could be made that we'd perenially be in contention for one of the top three spots without Jack. Speculation could be made to counter that that Jack had a hand in the expansion from 24 to 32 specifically to benefit CONCACAF....that would be pure speculation though.So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....
that is real toots...
Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...
Of course he would seek the best interest of the region... but I don't think we should fool ourselves to ignore that Jack pushes the interests of CONCACAF generally... but the interest of TnT football specifically. Any gains made by a CONCACAF nation under his watch benefits his legacy. Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other.
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.
You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.
Just another way of looking at your argument.
Blessings
LSJ...nah I considered that, however the assumption is reversed. Like others before you, you too are arguing a variant of the same position...that without Jack Trinidad's position would have been far advanced beyond where we are now. Even if I were to concede that point is there any rational basis to conclude that we would be ahead of either the US or Mexico? Hardly. Most seem ready to concede that we'd be behind Mexico, but are less gracious in conceding the lead to the US.
Many seem deceived by the notion that the US Soccer program came out of nowhere when in fact soccer has been in the US for over 160 yrs, dating back to the times of the US Civil War. The USSF in fact is only five years younger than the TTFF (I believe the TTFF was founded in 1908...with this whole centennial talk), and for all the ole talk without a doubt soccer has enjoyed greater participation (if not popularity) in the US, than it has in TnT...just looking at the numbers of people playing it. Now the percentage of US soccer fans relative to the entire US population...that percentage might be lower than in TnT, but that doesn't affect how widespread or popular the sport is...this is what most fail to understand when they look at the US as some just come on the soccer stage. The USSF was one of the earliest member federations in FIFA, and the US has had good showings at the earlier WC finals.
The thing is that they fell off the international football map until 1990, but that game in 1990 did not mark the rebirth of "soccer" in the US. You have to go back to the 1984 Olympic Games for that...and one man in particular, Alan Rothenberg, former USSF President. He was in charge of the soccer part of the olympics, and he was shrewd when it comes to marketing sports thru his involvement with the LA Lakers among other teams, and his prior involvement with NASL soccer. From that base in 1984 he put forth a ten year plan to secure the Olympics in 1994, which they did. He then used that as a launch pad for a new domestic soccer league, MLS in 1996. See it wasn't just luck, but mapping out small achieveable goals one building upon the other, to slowly make soccer a major player in the US. This is what people don't give the Americans credit for. The interest was there, but you needed a catalyst to design a plan and put it into play. American soccer was going to develop whether they beat us in 1990 or not because they were well on their way to hosting the 94 Cup by then.
So...even if you take Jack out the TnT picture, how were we to compete with all that? You could argue that having a more dedicated, smarter, innovative etc. TTFF leadership...but still, none of that would have guaranteed that we have surpassed the US or Mexico by now. So that still leaves the top two spots accounted for, and w/o Jack there likely would be no third or fourth spot because no third or fourth team has shown the type of consistency (against the top two) or enjoyed the type of results against non-CONCACAF opponents (at the WC for instance) to merit our region getting another spot.
So as for the speculative argument put forth by Mango Chow that we "inevitably" would have gotten more spots for CONCACAF is laughable. Even if the WC was expanded, more likely to get those additional spots would be the more competitive Federations such as Europe, Africa, South America and even Asia. All of them (excepting perhaps Asia) deserve another spot ahead of CONCACAF based on the performance of their teams. All of them developing 10 Drogbas and Edgar Davids for ever Warren Archibald we develop. If not for Jack's influence we ent smelling ah third spot, let alone a fourth. Without those two additional spots it would have been near impossible for TnT to qualify ahead of either the US or Mexico.
So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....
that is real toots...
Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...
so anyhowz
BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.
Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.
Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.
What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.
Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??
How is that different from anything I have said?
After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future? I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.
Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.
Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??
How is that different from anything I have said?
The way you say it... could be interpreted as pushing TnT's interests first, and benefiting on the side...
Whereas many feel that is Jack interests FIRST and FOREMOST... TnT's interests if and when it suits him...
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.
I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....
I most definitely concur FFI don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.
Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.
What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.
You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.
I say we better off without Jack.
I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.
I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present. Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be. That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico. As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?
Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.
Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time. By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.
We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended. The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them. You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts. You will always see the best NT on display at all times.
The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to :'(
Pardners, you make some good points...but even the Devil needs an advocate at times so I'll step up b/c I like how the discussion going.
1. To say that all the other CONCACAF teams are doing well w/o a "Jack" and so we also will do well is beyond speculative. The only CONCACAF teams doing even remotely "well" are Mexico and the US...at least with any basis of consistency. Remove Jack from the local scenario and it is unlikely that we'd come even within spitting distance of matching the type of consistency and success that those two teams enjoy. They've been blessed with resources (manpower and capital) the likes of which have are unseen anywhere else in CONCACAF.
2. To imply that England playing TnT should be no biggie is to lose sight of the fact that England playing anyone else in CONCACAF would be a huge deal. Simply put, CONCACAF outside of the US and Mexico is barely worth global mention. Your argument seems premised on the notion that it should be a given that TnT is up there with Mexico, that is entirely too presumptive a position to seriously merit consideration.
3. Camps has no clout...but outside of Europe, which domestic Federation head enjoys any real kinda clout? Even within Europe not too many Federation heads are known...let alone to the extent as to grant them 'clout'. Even if we had a different administration there's no guarantee we could pull ah team like Italy...I mean, how often they even play friendlies against non-European foes?
4. With or without Jack we'd we guaranteed nothing. To say that we'd be perennial CONCACAF powers (to the point that we always in World Cups)... well I dunno where you'd even start with that. To begin with w/o Jack CONCACAF might still only have one sure spot...let alone 3 1/2- 4 spots we enjoy now. So unless your position is that w/o Jack we'd consistently be ahead of the US and Mexico then your argument is unpursuasive.
5. Where we would agree is that there LIKELY would be greater transparency and more money for youth development etc. You also won't have a dictatorship situation (again, "likely" must be the preface here) where one family controlling local football as you put it...and coaches may have greater autonomy.
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.
Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.
What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.
You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.
:rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.
After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future? I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.
Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.
That's a different question, possibly requiring a different thread... or in the least, should be tabled until we've exhausted this discussion, no? Leh we keep de goalpost and dem whey dey is nuh?
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.
Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.
What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.
You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.
:rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.
lets us try not to de-evolve into throwing stones, like so many other threads, the debate going good, I think bake n shark make some good points from a logical stand point and I also see that there have been many good counter points... no need for who is a footballer and who is not, I tend not to judge a book by its cover. But also even the being a best footballer doesn't mean you are good at management and development and vice versa. I like the input
:rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.
Bakes, I like how yuh take mih points apart...
Doh ever do that again eh....ah know where yuh living eh fella ;D
Anyway on a more serious note, yes there was a lot of speculation on my part, but when yuh consider where our football was before Jack, all things being consider one would argue that we were perhaps better off. We used to actually beat USA and Mexico. Another thing is that my point wasn't just that we could do without Jack or his influence, but more so that if there was someone else in the position, who was not as corrupt...MAYBE...our football might actually prosper. Who is to say someone else would not have been able to get 4 spots for CONCACAF in the normal course of their responsibilities ?
The goalposts dem are exactly where Marcus had them. Here are his questions....
"(1) With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?
(2) So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning. "
The questions are asked in the future continous and thus was the answer given. But the questions themselves ask about how an unspecified "other" will perform, and of course it is impossible to surmise, given that no information is available about this person or future events that will impact events.
The question is simply rephrased to include a known quantity, i.e. Jack's track record. The question still remains essentially: Will Jack's continuation as head of CONCACAF provide more benefit for T&T than a foreigner. My language and logic is perhaps not always precise enough, I'm working on it :)
But I think this is essentially the quintessential question Marcus raised. Marcus could tell us if my comments were off base or not.
It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade.
Yuh right...logic has no place in an argument. Too bad we can't just log on and kick ah ball in silence, ent?
It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.
:rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.
Yuh right breds yuh brand mih a non-footballer and ah should know mih place, I need to show more deference tuh allyuh professional sweat-ballers in future. I mean...who de hell I think I is putting up mere intellectual debate against your years of small-goal expertise?
:yawning:It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade.
Yuh right...logic has no place in an argument. Too bad we can't just log on and kick ah ball in silence, ent?
It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.
I did ??? Where?
Only coach I ever coach is ah bunch ah 8-year old American chirren who couldn't tell yuh dey left foot from dey right hand. Me eh no football player (you done establish dat), me eh no coach and I ent no lawyer. In fact, my post and dem have too much logic in it fuh you so doh even bother hut up yuh head wid all ah dat, juss go hit ah man two spanner and call dat George.
The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.
The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.
Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.
To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.
It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.
In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.
Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.
It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.
Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.
Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.
The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.
What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).
Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).
Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.
FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.
The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.
The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either don`t know or don`t care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.
Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jack`s "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.
To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jack`s TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.
It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.
In the 90`s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.
Under Jack`s control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.
It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they haven`t been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.
Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70`s, 80`s and early 90`s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.
Now as for Jack`s Concacaf accomplishments.
The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in `06 and `10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.
What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Gov`t to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).
Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).
Also I have a hard time basking in ``accomplishments`` that are the result of Jack`s strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.
FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnT`s best interests.
The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnT`s dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.
The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.
Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.
To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.
It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.
In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.
Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.
It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.
Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.
Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.
The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.
What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).
Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).
Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.
FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.
The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.
The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.
As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.
Actually it is all countries. Men must understand that FIFA dictates this separation. If a government truly intervenes in the running of football (demanding transparencsy and going further to probe the dealings of the federation), the result would be the country being banned from International football. This is one of the known mechanisms for why Jack and his cronies have been allowed to exist for so long and with the change in constitution from the old TTFA where they could have been voted out by the local clubs, they are untouchable.
The only argument to keep focusing on is the lack of development (Youth - Senior level) of football under the direction of Jack Warner. Please folks stopping pointing to tournaments hosted. This is not a pre-requisite for development. How many Concacaf tournaments has the US or Mexico hosted? Note how and who makes money when a tournament is hosted (catering, hotels, travel arrangement) and you will better understand or appreciate how Jack has benifited.
Hey, the darkest cloud has a silver lining.
Blessing
Profit not in he dictionary is only loss
JDB, yuh is a boss. I think I will store that post to send to the editor when the time is most appropriate.
Wow thats crazy shit :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
So you think PNM put him up to that?Wow thats crazy shit :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?Wow thats crazy shit :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
Nah just didn't book it the first time i taught u was UNC # 1 supporter for a sec dey my bad... but either way we all know Warner is a theive if he eh got none to hide why he just don't answer the fella question bout Trini players moneySo you think PNM put him up to that?Wow thats crazy shit :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Nah just didn't book it the first time i taught u was UNC # 1 suppoter for a sec dey my bad... but either way we all know Warner is a theive if he eh got none to hide why he just don't answer the fella question bout Trini players moneySo you think PNM put him up to that?Wow thats crazy shit :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
No surprise that insecure PNM apologists would see this as some sort of racist attack on a white foreigner
Trust on a bit of journalistic sensationalism to brand this as JW screaming racist insults ... I watched it a few times, and still can't find the racist attack - unless everyone's seeing a Robert Mugabe speech instead.
It's interesting to look at who our leaders form their allegiances with to hold on to power:
Jack Warner chose a white corporate dictator, Sepp Blatter to solidfy his position and alliance.
Patrick Manning chose a black Muslim terrorist, Yasin Abu Bakr to politically intimidate voters and win elections.
These days the most disparaging accusation you can make against someone is calling them a racist. It's pretty much the ultimate response to playing the race card. But then again, you see much more mischievous, intentionally racist and incitful statements being made on this forum - in many cases against Indians in TT. But that's ok, they're probably not coming from a white person, so those statements can never be justified as being racist. Gosh, don't even get started on white people, and all the perceived wrongs they've done to foreign nationals abroad.
... and while it's alarming at the shocking accusations of corruption that JW cannot deny, let alone his conviction and petty fine over WC 06 tickets - there is so much more blatant corruption under the present PNM administration, with their supporters turning a blind eye, and at even more ridiculous levels that UNC and their cohorts couldn't even fathom that makes you wonder if UNC should have thief more than they did.
4 helicopters at $2 Billion to fight crime
1 blimp at God alone knows what the real price was to fight crime
I can't wait until we're the first country to commission a spaceship to fight crime - a hundred billion more.
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.
boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.
boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.
boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas
Thank you, we need ah dougla leader! ;) :mackdaddy:
Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he
:applause: :applause: :applause:Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
reporters in sweet democratic T&T aren't even allowed to ask probing questions to our hallowed Prime Minister without feeling his wrath or constant threats of censorship. A Newsday reporter (Indian too) lost his job for asking the right question at the wrong time.
.... well imagine if a white foreign reporter ask him questions. Is then he might pull off the mask and we might see Mugabe underneath.
Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he
sigh ... you realise that by not calling Jack name in that post, you make a generalisation that just implicate every government and opposition minister?Karen Nunez-Teshira fit that bill well
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)
There is a small suspicion that the visit by a Daily Mail reporter was set up by somebody,why would anybody waste time to come to TT to check out the illegal sales of WC tickets.There are several other wrong doings in TT for outside sources to investigate...who calling dem to come an check...nobody.
Jack said something that many people of colour would say,no problem wid dat,when people suffer certain experiences then allyuh would know why people re-act in certain way.Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite. 8)
Believe what you want but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)
too late :devil:
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please! :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqwcheck this one... go F@ck yuh self :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
Believe what you want but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)
too late :devil:
Believe what you want but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)
too late :devil:
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please! :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqwcheck this one... go F@ck yuh self :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
Now I havent looked at the video.
But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.
Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.
Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.
Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.
It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.
In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.
The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.
Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
Yeh ah saw that one as well. that man is ah low life! it was very shameful to see our one of our most prominant figurs carry on like ah canal rat on global TV. did you see this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1vMstWlceA&feature=relatedMr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please! :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqwcheck this one... go F@ck yuh self :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
Nakid to join the team :angel:
He retiringIn our dreams. ;D
He retiring:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Jack having press conference 12 noon at Crown Plaza. Things that make u go ???. Once I know all yuh go know.
He retiring:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I can see the baby keepin yuh up... ;D you have a bit of delirium ;)
He retiring
He retiring
STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!! :frustrated:
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
He retiring
STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!! :frustrated:
Your emotins easy 2 play wit because u eh know is a relay he handin d baton 2 Daryan 2 focus on d caravan 4 change
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.
Yes I believe its concerning Women football.
Jackretirespulls himself from T&T football every two years in a 4 year cycle, where there is limited money and jumps back in two years before WCQ qualification.
Check the pattern good.
Press conference done!
Evans Wise back on de team
wha station
Press conference done!
Evans Wise back on de team
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.
I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.
I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence
Yeh, Lawrence get it.
Write Lasana write.
Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
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Ah eh read the story yet but mih initial reaction to the thread title is...
wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!!!!.....
funny, i feel like i knew this story without knowing this story
Write Lasana write.
we work cut out
keep it tight at the back
Would love to hear Jack Warer side of the story, but we might need a lie detector.
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?
Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.
Money is really the root to all evil.
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?
Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.
Money is really the root to all evil.
D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL
D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVILah did have to hilite the hilite of that post
Seems as if there is a large group of regional football people wronged by Jack, corruption and cronyism.
If only we and they can get together and start a full press against this man .
In Trinidad he has spread football money far and wide to gain creditability, he owns people who through no fault of their own have no choice* but to sit quietly and watch this man destroy the football fabric of the Caribbean and Trinidad and Tobago. He uses money that should rightfully go to the Warriors of 2006, football development for the youth of the nation but a lot of people in central south Trinidad hail him because that same money is used to buy their patronage.
Obviously up the islands he has his network of like criminals without whose support he loses his international power base.
How will this history evolve?
* Anybody who decides or through natural progression becomes a football professional. coachs, players, sports administrators seemingly have no choice but to work for him if they want to remain in TT and make a reasonably good living for their families, it's sad like Goverment corruption , buck it and end up in the dog house , ask Rowley.
Steups.......
Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.
In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.
Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.
Steups....
Steups.......
Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.
In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.
Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.
Steups....
Dagbladet can reveal that while FIFA several times has tried black market ticket companies in court, one of the most powerful men in world football, FIFA vice president Jack Warner, is actually in league with black market ticket sharks.(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/131/131078/13107845/jpg/active/320x.jpg)
Towards the end of 2009 a black market ticket dealer contacted Warner personally.
He asked Warner if it was possible to get hold of tickets under the table for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.
Huge profit
He was acting on behalf of one of the world's biggest black market companies.
A deal was set up.
The Caribbean Football Union (CFU) ordered tickets for several WC matches, including the final. A receipt for the order was sent to the agent, who passed it on to the black market company. Dagbladet is in possession of the receipt.
The money was to be paid to a SWIFT account belonging to the CFU.
Warner's profit is said to be at about 60 percent, with the total deal amounting to about 1,5 million Norwegian kroner (NOK) - including the middleman's commission.
Not the first time
The tickets for the final alone were worth around 350 000 NOK.
This is not the first time Jack Warner is mentioned in relation to black market ticket deals. Warner and his family were fined 1 million USD after the 2006 FIFA WC, for allegedly selling a large nummer of tickets on the black market.
Warner kept his position as a vice president, and has so far paid only 1/4 of the fine.
This time around, Warner had changed his strategy. He communicates with a small number of trusted business associates only. Dagbladet knows the identity of three of the associates - all of whom have connections on the Norwegian black market.
However, despite being arranged through one of the few, trusted middlemen, the deal broke down. The black market company never paid.
Furious
And Warner was in trouble. The CFU had ordered tickets from FIFA - and all of a sudden, looked like they could not pay.
Mr Warner would be quite upset as he would look as if he ordered and could not pay, it says in an email from Warner's office.
Several emails were copied to high-ranking officials in FIFA and the official ticket provider, Match Event Services - both unknowing of why the money was never paid.
Eventually, the deal broke down - leaving both Warner and the middle man furious.
- The ticket business is like the drug trade. The higher up in the chain you are, the bigger profit you get, a well-informed source says.
On August 20 this year Dagbladet sent emails with several questions for Mr Warner to his personal email address, as well as to the CFU. The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has seen Dagbladet's questions, but says he's been to busy to reply.
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.
and it's not just the black market rackets. During the U-19 in Nigeria and I'm sure others, FIFA really pressured the local governments to buy up all the unsold tickets and fill the seats when they didn't sell on the open market. The governments feel they have to to avoid embarrassment of an unpopular tournament and FIFA doesn't lose any profit.
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shockingReally ?
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shockingReally ?
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.
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Right now we at the part of the Star Wars trilogy where the Clone Wars coming and the Sith Lord going to make his move to be elected Emperor soon and the people will all believe it is for the best...
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.
This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.
Stay focused on the real issues.
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.
:applause:IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.
Fella... the death penalty never went away, which is why Jack clamouring to "bring it back" is just a smokescreen. There are legal processes that need to be carried out before you execute someone, you can't just do away with these just because Jack Warner say so. Political posturing might work on the gullible and guiless such as yourself, but the more sophisticated and observant around us can usually recognize bullshit when we hear it.
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.
What a shame that bullshit became recognizable only after the 24th of May 2010,prior to that date allyuh was very much too sophisticated to recognize B U L L S H I T. :( :'(I for one did not vote for them !!!! I knew it was BULLSHIT from the start. But your statement might be reasonable for those that did vote for them. Did you ???
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.
I read an article recently. It was very insightful. It says that politicians turn to the death penalty in order to incite debate because of the passion it invokes on all sides...thus distracting from the real issue, which is crime.
This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.
Frico do you know how many persons there are in trinidad and tobago presently that the gov't can hang?
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.
good thing de topic of dis thread is jack and the ticket saga ::)
weary,I cannot remember what the debate was b4 those animals were hanged,there is no other word to describe Dole Chadee and that gang of savages.I saw the program on telly on BBC quite a few years ago,I just could not believe that there could be a man on this planet that would order such murders,as far as I was concerned ,they should have hung his entire family too.
Since you ask about whether I knew about how many are awaiting the death penalty,I read on the internet that its 50.The thing is they cannot now be hanged because they have spent more than 5 years waiting,they say its inhumane,these are the so called do-gooders.
Right weary ah get what yuh saying but I give full credit for the government to give the go ahead,I dont know who was the PM then but full credit to hang them,I am pleased to know now that our people didn't give a toss about those do-gooders.I remember the news in England bout how TT flouted international pressure and went ahead with the executions.I honestly believe if they weren't hanged we may have had another Chadee or 2,you dont want those type around,do you.I can now understand why some of you are saying "smokescreen" but after the Chadee episode TT must show the outside world that its a special case in TT,hence I agree with the debate.One question though,why have we got 50 people waiting on execution for more than 5 years,the UNC have only just taken the reins,even the last government was bowing to international pressure.
Regards.
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"
57%Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"
I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
57%Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"
I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
(Dagbladet): The risk of losing the highly valuable TV-rights for the Caribbean made FIFA vice president Jack Warner fume with anger. This emerges from emails Dagbladet has gained access to, and is confirmed by several well-informed sources.
As Dagbladet has revealed, Jack Warner was involved in the sell-on of World Cup tickets to the black market, also for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Warner is vice president of FIFA, the head of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and Deputy Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago.
Trusted partners
Through a small handful of trusted business contacts, including a Norwegian financier, a Polish ticket shark and a Swedish businessman, he offered tickets from the Caribbean Football Union to operators on the black market.
Today Dagbladet can reveal how far more than a few empty seats were at stake, when a black market deal collapsed earlier this year.
High risk
Dagbladet knows the details of the deal. A Norwegian black market ticket company ordered several hundred World Cup tickets from Warner. CFU then ordered the same amount of tickets from FIFA. who then billed CFU 80 000 USD for these tickets. CFU then sent the bill to the black market company.
Dagbladet has access to the bill and an email where the black market dealers are asked to pay, to a SWIFT account associated with CFU.
Failed deal
However, the payment from the black market ticket company never arrived.
According to emails sent between the CFU and the black market, it is clear that Warner earlier this year was highly concerned about the future of his TV-rights as the deal broke down.
One of Mr. Warner's closest associates writes that the CFU (...) can lose TV rights because of this"
Fuming Warner
The message was sent after the frustration of CFU had built up over time, due to the missing payment. In the e-mail exchange that followed, it emerged that Jack Warner felt embarrassed and upset as the trade seemed to go down the drain.
The reason why Mr. Warner was fuming with anger was he feared unpaid tickets and a new ticket-farce would further deem his status within FIFA.
Among the recipients of the emails where the payment was demanded, are executives both at FIFA TV and Infront Sports & Media the company whose CEO goes by the name of Philippe Blatter, and is Sepp?s nephew.
- Number one source
From 2006-2009 FIFA?s sale of TV rights generated a profit of 2 billion USD, and Sepp Blatter himself is on record saying that the sale of TV rights is FIFA?s number one source of income.
According to respected journalist Andrew Jennings, printed in the ISS report Player and Referee, Jack Warner first aquired the Caribbean TV rights in 1990 after declaring he was eternally grateful and permanently indebted to then FIFA president Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter general secretary at the time.
The asking price for the TV rights was one (1) dollar.
Warner quickly sold the rights. The price is not known.
Easy access
In 1999, however, FIFA snubbed Warner for the TV rights for the 2002 FIFA WC. Mr. Warner immediately sent an e-mail to Sepp Blatter when it was announce that the Swiss company ISL, the predecessor to Philippe Blatter?s InFront, had chosen others to serve the Caribbean football fans their daily dose of WC action.
And, according to Andrew Jennings one e-mail to Sepp Blatter was all it took for Mr. Warner to get the TV rights back.
In December 2001 Warner?s Caribbean Football Union (CFU) paid approx 25 million NOK to the company JD International proprietors: Jack Warner and his son Daryan for the TV rights to the 2002 and 2006 FIFA world cups.
JD could then resell the rights, generating an unknown profit for the Warner family.
- To busy
And in February 2007, after an identical transaction, Warner?s JD sold the TV rights for yet two world cups this time cashing in 20 million USD on the deal:
Now Mr. Warner feared for the future of his TV rights business. Due to Norwegian black market ticket dealers failing to pay their bills.
The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has received Dagbladet?s questions.
This is the offical first instance of JW bringing the Gov't of Trinidad and Tobago into disrepute. If this thing blows up, there will be a voice to have him removed as a minister of government. Even possibly to resign as chairman of his party.
I sure it have some shadows in the PP gov't itself who wouldnt mind this blowing up.
I was listening to 91.9fm Iwere George station the radio show host Skippy and Mad Indian said it seems as though this is comming up because Jack Warner is doing so much for the party /country and they believe is an internal assult.
Since we on that topic, any interest made from this under 17women world cup games who would profit Jack Warner Lall or TTFF PLEASE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW .
So now we know the real reason why Jack didn't go the World Cup final. He didn't pay for his tickets !! All this talk about putting the country first was just his usual spin on things...
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.
My question is this:
How are we to know if this story is true or not unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.
My question is this:
How are we to know if this story is true or not unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?
How?? Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.
My question is this:
How are we to know if this story is true or not unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?
How?? Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??
Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.
Buh dahs just me.
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.
My question is this:
How are we to know if this story is true or not unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.
My question is this:
How are we to know if this story is true or not unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?
How?? Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??
Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.
Buh dahs just me.
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.
My question is this:
How are we to know if this story is true or not unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?
Dai'z all it takes to get the media off yuh case deez days? Didn't Manning deny tuh de death that he was involved in de churc fiasco in Heights of Guanapo? Somehow dat never stop de press from "investigating".
Anyways... lemme stop 'nitpicking'
je refuse!!!!!!!!
je refuse!!!!!!!!
Is dat refuse as in decline?
Or refuse as in garbage? :devil:
je refuse!!!!!!!!
Is dat refuse as in decline?
Or refuse as in garbage? :devil:
both!!!!!!
Definition of JACK
noun
a five pound note. money
nothing, very little.
You don't know jack!
a sweet, sensitive, adorable guy. Origin: Jack Dawson, the main male character in the movie Titanic.
He's a real Jack.
a cigarette.
Hey, could I get a jack?
a police officer.
The jacks pulled me over for no reason.
shortened form of jack-ass or a jack-off - a general insult.
He's a dumb jack!
verb
to stab.
He got jacked.
to punch.
He got jacked in the face.
to steal.
I bet they jacked that watch.
My car got jacked.
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U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here. :devil:
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here. :devil:
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.
i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.
i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.
yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".
jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.
jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.
i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.
i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.
yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".
jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.
Some of us will just STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.
i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.
i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.
yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".
jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.
Utter nonsense.
What kind of "embbassador" is Jack Warner when all around the world he's recognized as conniving and corrupted individual? Can you name one place outside of TnT where Jack is looked upon favorably?
What is his work ethic? Thieving and bribery? Financial shakedowns? Empty legal threats and coercion? Jack thiefing and giving back what, to merit the kind of distinction you making from the common thieves in TnT?
It would be nice if you could back up some of these claims yuh making... just like ah still waiting over in 'General Discussion' fuh yuh to back up yuh talk that the tunnel idea is such a brilliant idea.
jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.
i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.
jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.
as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.
as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess. :thinking:Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.
i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.
jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.
as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.
as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.
Everybody have a right to an opinion, but that opinion should at least have some kinda basis to it. Instead of offering that basis when called for yuh yelping like a kicked dog about "abuse" and "ego". Having ah internet connection is no excuse for posting shit and not expecting to be called out on it.
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess. :thinking:
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...
Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??
Yes. He strong-arm he way to the head of the TTFF, he scratch some CFU backs, grease some palms and finagle he way to CONCACAF head. From there he use he connections with Joao Havelange to move up the FIFA ranks. FIFA is an organization built and run on nepotism... it is not a meritocracy. So save that "personal capacity" talk unless yuh mean ah personal capacity for bobol.
Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.
Okay so he spend some ah de tief money to bring Beenhakker to TnT. How much footballers head he step on in the process of us getting to Germany? What did he do specifically to get us there... since yuh seem convinced that he did something. He pay off Bahrain? Even if yuh want to argue extra half-ah spot all that did is give us ah second bite ah de apple if we fail to grab one of the 3 sure spots. Is the players who had to go out and earn the invitation.
So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??
Yes he bring them... in exchange fuh what? Ask yuhself that. Ask yuhself how it benefit him too. Beckham ent come TnT juss b/c he care about li'l black boys and girls. If yuh crediting Jack fuh dat yuh might as well credit whoever pushing England as hosts in 2018. Unscrupulous, yuh say?
Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!
Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??
Lol.
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...
Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??
Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.
So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??
Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!
Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??
Lol.
Bredder, what i rendered was an opinion, i had nothing substantial to back up my post, just raw ipinion and circumstantial stuff, so i will answer yuh question, i arrive @ that position not by solid evidence, deep research, or even personal experience, just pure speculation and observation which is in no way solid proof.Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess. :thinking:
Fella I never tell yuh yuh "wrong"... I just disagree with yuh position and asked you some questions regarding how yuh arrived at that position. The glowing way in which you described Jack seems to fly in the face of all the objective information we have about him out there. I was curious as to what you was basing your opinion on. If yuh think dai's too much abuse then we could just call it george and move on.
about the tunnel, i thought it was ah good idea, i'm all for progress in the way of better infrastructure, but of course i don't live in TNT so i'm not familiar wid the logistics and the ins and outs especially in the field of engineering, but it sound like ah good idea to me to have ah 2nd route out of maracas instead of one solitary route and ah bandolo route from "blanchiseuse" to arima. my heart was in the right place even though i may have been in error. after all, i'm not infallible, neither do i want to be.
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...Yup, that's exactly what we telling you. How else u feel a black man from a no name country(football wise) could make it in that cut throat world? By playing by the rules? What world u living in?
Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??
Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.
So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??
Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!
Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??
Lol.
Give Jack he jacket. He had to at least have some type of vision and intelligence to execute this level of corruption and not be convicted.
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...Yup, that's exactly what we telling you. How else u feel a black man from a no name country(football wise) could make it in that cut throat world? By playing by the rules? What world u living in?
Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??
Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.
So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??
Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!
Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??
Lol.
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence
Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention
Allyuh could add
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence
Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention
Allyuh could add
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory
Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence
Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention
Allyuh could add
how exactly can we find a way to get along with him? if we kiss his arse will he promise not to tief anymore?
Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
On another note..
How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??
Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
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Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.
On another note..
How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??
Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
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Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.
I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.
I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.
That was a brilliant and ingenious move... to hear some in here tell it.
England withdraws 2022 bid because US withdraws from 2018 bid. Kamla tells Jack to support England's bid according to the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9097559.stm
Got this classic in an email...
Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards...........
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Got this classic in an email...
Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards...........
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^^^ that is brilliant
funny as hell.
we must be willing to recognize excellence in tomfoolery everywhere we find it.:rotfl:
Apologies if this has already been posted :beermug:
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/25/nyheter/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/fifa/13100080/
The fourth Fifa executive named in the Panorama programme is Trinidad and Tobago's Jack Warner, one of the organisation's vice-presidents.
Panorama says it has seen e-mails and an invoice which show Mr Warner was involved in the procurement of $84,000 worth of 2010 World Cup tickets.
The e-mail trail suggests the tickets were destined for the black market but the planned deal - including 38 tickets for the final in Johannesburg - collapsed because the touts were not prepared to pay the asking price.
In 2006, Panorama revealed that Mr Warner had sold tickets on the black market for that year's World Cup tournament in Germany.
Fifa subsequently ordered Mr Warner's family business, Simpaul Travel, to make a $1m donation to charity to "compensate for the profits it had made through resale of 2006 Fifa World Cup tickets".
At a recent press conference, Mr Blatter was asked about the fresh allegations against Mr Warner by a Norwegian journalist who first broke the story of the e-mails.
Mr Blatter replied: "Should it be knowledgeable to us, by official means, or by official channels, then naturally we would have to look at that."
Fifa's media office, when asked by the Norwegian journalist what Mr Blatter meant by "official channels", reportedly replied "we have no idea".
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago
Brownsugar,
Ah not talking bout de teefing coz I cyah prove dat
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:
you too could become a big man in a World Organization.
..unless he is ah sweet man ? :devil:If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:
Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....you too could become a big man in a World Organization.
uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ? :devil:If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:
Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....you too could become a big man in a World Organization.
uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:..unless he is ah sweet man ? :devil:If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:
Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....you too could become a big man in a World Organization.
uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Cue Dinho!!! :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Cue Dinho!!! :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Cue Dinho!!! :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....
Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Cue Dinho!!! :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....
Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or even a las lap with Kate!
Yuh know what killing me with the English?? Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....:rotfl: Is not only the English,why you so hard on them,USA and Russia doing the same thing,you not seeing the big picture it's more than just Football,check the politics involved.
Yuh know what killing me with the English?? Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....:rotfl: Is not only the English,why you so hard on them,USA and Russia doing the same thing,you not seeing the big picture it's more than just Football,check the politics involved.
Yuh know what killing me with the English?? Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
What a splendid ambassador for our country.
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.
The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.
So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.
I might understand if the reports were erroneous.
Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.
VB
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.
The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.
So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.
I might understand if the reports were erroneous.
Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.
VB
Erroneous or not, awarding the WC isn't about the press, it's about who presents the best bid. Why would you look past a bid because of what a free (from FA/government control) media decides to do? Why would you punish the people of England who waiting nearly 60 yrs for the chance to host a WC?
....unless of course is just bullshit rationalizing (and excuse-making) after the fact.
p.s. Flex already post this article in the other thread btw.
Jack relly gone and f**ked things up wid dis statement.
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.
Ah wonder what other countries think about Trinbago having Jack as a Minister in the government knowing the kind of man he is and not like the people dont know they still elect him anyhow .
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.
Well we not too certain to be honest. Really and truly..when Jack not around..nothing does get done. Ollie camps was holding a piss since Jack went to zurich cuz he wasnt sure if he coulda go and use the toilet.
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.
"National pride must take precedence over money." :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW
"National pride must take precedence over money." :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW
He didn't choke on the words??!! Damn.....
"National pride must take precedence over money." :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW
He didn't choke on the words??!! Damn.....
JACK PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Warner unopposed for CFU top post
T&T Guardian Reports.
Published: Wed, 2010-12-22 20:45
Warner has been President since 1982. Fifa vice-president, Jack Austin Warner has been nominated unopposed for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). This means that Warner, Minister of Works and Transport, will be elected for the eighth consecutive term as president of the regions governing body of football. All remaining incumbent members of the executive committee have also been nominated unchallenged in their current capacities.
Nominations for posts within the Executive Committee of the CFU closed at 4 pm on Monday. In a demonstration of the ongoing stability and unity within the CFU that has characterised his presidency, Warner received multiple nominations from the CFUs diverse membership of 30 nations. Warner, who has served as the president of the CFU since its inception in 1982, has described the development as both humbling and invigorating.
In accepting the nomination, Warner said, I am humbled today by the trust bestowed upon me by my Caribbean brothers and sisters; this trust that you, my family, has placed upon me has invigorated my spirit and my soul to continue to serve you to the best of my ability. For over 40 years of my life I have served this sport but I cannot and I will never personalise the sequence of events. I now bear with the other members of this Executive Committee the task of implementing the mandate set by you, the members of this great and promising Union.
Continuing, Warner stated that we are a young institution and our environment is dynamic, but our dreams and our visions have remained the same. Our Union has risen above numerous challenges, we have braved the storms, we have sailed on sometimes uncertain seas but our commitment to a vision of improving Caribbean Football remains our compass. It is this commitment that is our beacon which shines through the mists of ambiguity and allows us to guide our ship to a brighter and better tomorrow. While we are still confronted by numerous challenges, our capacity and our love for the sport have remained undaunted. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better future; to carry forward the principles of our sport: That all are equal, all are free, and together this team, which is not only the members of this Committee, but this team made up of every member of every Federation will work hand in hand for a better tomorrow.
He also reaffirmed his commitment to the task at hand. He said: We embark on a journey for the next four years. The task ahead of us is challenging, and we the members of this Committee need all hands on deck. All talent, all wisdom, each and every one must take an active part in guiding our Union to a better tomorrow. We must never allow the seeds of separation to germinate within our family. Its time to build a future together which we can all share, hold pride in; and I look forward to once again working with every member as we embark on yet another chapter of the great book of the CFU.
In addition to Warner, the nominations for the upcoming CFU elections are: Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaican Football Federation (1st vice-president of CFU); Colin Klass, President of the Guyana Football Federation (2nd vice-president of CFU); and CFU Executive Committee Members Victor Daniel, general secretary of the Grenada Football Association; Luis Hernandez, president of the Cuban Football Association, Yves Jean Bart, president of the Haitian Football Federation and Lionel Haven, general secretary of the Bahamas Football Association.
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues
Somebody probably secretly hang ah string ah garlic arung he neck.
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.
And thats all they have in common!!!!!
I think its fairly obvious which member of the FIFA executive committee raised the matter.....the same guy who was promised Jacks votes in the World Cup bid, along with his prime minister and future king!!!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What goes around, comes around!!
But seriously, if Jack is found in any way to be involved in anything underhand, it will be very difficult for him to retain his ministerial role, as Kamla has declared she will not tolerate any form of corruption or financial law breaking.
Even more interesting is that later today, the judge will give his next set of rulings which may include investigations of TTFF's books. It will be very difficult to play the FIFA "govt can't get involved" card if they are investigating the same person, who has already been found guilty by FIFA of a financial wrongdoing.
Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Anil tell it, anybody could work for Jack. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
From Bill Archer at BigSoccer:
Jack in A Box (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11009)
Fast forward to last week and a lovely five star Montego Bay resort where the Caribbean Football Union showed him just how deeply they care about this kind of thing; he was re-elected for another four year term which wasn't surprising considering that, as always, he was running unopposed.
Replace Jack Warner? Why on Gods' Earth would they want to do that? As he himself reminded the Assembled Federation Presidents:
"each of you received over $1.3 million in the last four years".
Which of course for "countries" like The Turks and Caicos (population 18,122), Montserrat (9,341), Anguilla (14,254) and the British Virgin Island (19,100) - to name a few - is one whole hell of a lot more money than they were going to collect from, say, youth registrations or car washes. Or bake sales, unless Jamaica brings the brownies.
Jack: Concacaf will be given all it deserves.
T&T Guardian Reports.
The perception of small teams or countries in the world of football must be dispelled. On the field of play we are all equal and through our Goal Projects, Fifa continues to exercise its commitment to ensuring equity and equality.
As the president of Concacaf and the CFU I will continue to ensure that we are given all that we deserve.
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkEKaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)
Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!
Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!! 8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkEKaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)
Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!
Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!! 8)
Cant we do some facebook movement to oust him? thats the trend these days lol
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkEKaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)
Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!
Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!! 8)
Yuh ketch the "yesterday was yesterday"
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy.
So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy.
So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy.
Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy.
Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!
And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy.
Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!
And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.
People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack.
That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy.
Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!
And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
Right so with all the knowledge you have about what goes on behind the scenes, why is it you seem to take a negative position where these 13 players are concerned?? Every time the issue comes up its like you want them to fail and Jack and his croonies over at the TTFF to win??
THAT is what I have a problem understanding Coop's.......it eh making no sense to me that FINALLY a group of players decided not to back down against the almighty Jack but you seem to have a problem with that.....
The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.
:thumbsup:The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.
Coop's... with all respect this is speculative nonsense. There is no way you can look at a Brent Sancho, a Shaka Hislop or even a Anthony Wolfe and say that these fellas don't care about TnT football. You know you and I cool, but throughout this entire impasse there has been an undercurrent of negativity, if not hostility in your comments towards the players. Maybe you think that the players should have just shut up and accept the $5,000 in the name of the "greater good" of football, but that shortsighted mentality has never benefitted our game. It didn't work in your time and it isn't working right now.
If corrupt officiating robbed the 1973 team of going to the WC, a corrupt administration did the same to the 1989 Strike Squad, and 2010 (and possibly 2014) Soca Warriors squads. How much longer were these footballers supposed to accept the status quo? You're SO against the players, saying they greedy and selfish
1) What do you recommend they should have done?
2) How do you suggest this would have made a difference in benefitting TnT football?
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.
The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football
Bakes i have been where those players are in the past,i've fought when players had no voice,we tried to form Players Assoc,Coaches Assoc etc and was not successfull,i was a player a Coach,participated in what ever it had going on in Football at the time,is just that i'm old school and it hurts to see what our Football has come too today,i can quote who said it's all about the players money and they don't care about our Football and it's one of us and that's some of the things that hurt me,i have worked hard in what ever little way to make Football the game it is at home and to see it being destroyed is not nice,don't matter what happens to Football in T&T it will all boil down to one man,to recover from the damage done to Football it may not happen in our lifetime,i never thought we would have made a WC finals in my lifetime but we did under the same man,i was a player how could i hate the players is just that i thought the situation could have been handled differently by both parties.I want you all to know i love this site but it's getting very difficult for me to give my views on here (respect guys).
Coops, you should continue to post, hoss. Although people may not agree with some of your comments, you give alternative opinions which spark debate. That is how we all can learn to come to more thought out conclusions. If we all agreed, there would be no point.:beermug:
Now my view regarding the betterment of football in T&T is to remove all these old school people. There has been no real notable improvements for many years. The definition of madness is doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results.
As for the financial status, well, TTFF had their richest ever year in 2006 - an estimated $188 million, yet they still made a loss and still have pre 2006 debts. If that isn't poor management, I don't know what is. So, to me, the players taking on this case have brought to light information that would never have been known by the public. It also raises many questions about the capability and honesty of people running football in T&T.
So, with all of your experiences of working with TTFF in various capacities, how do you feel knowing they have misspent or misplaced millions of dollars that should have been spent on developing our football? As much as you may admire some of their actions, you must admit that no organisation would allow this type of mismanagement to go unpunished.
Its time for a change (in fact, it should have happened years ago).
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.
There we go again,who said i will not post on here,all i've said is it's very difficult for me and everybody interprit that in there own way,it have people i don't see on here anymore they choose that route,i'm not that way old school again nah.Take a drink guys :beermug:
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE
Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!
Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!! 8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE
Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!
Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!! 8)
Wait, I know catch this verse...... 5:19, he could stay right in Port of Spain and make Beckham jump on ah plane.... :rotfl:
Ok, reality check needed here (thats one check Jack don't want lol)
Everything is just hearsay, so you can't condemn a man because of that. However, there are so many stories and so much potential evidence, it must be time that someone in T&T forces the issue. I think it was George W Bush who said: "If it looks like a dog and sounds like dog, it probably is a dog." Well, you have to admit, it looks like financial irregularities and sounds like financial irregularities, so it probably is. You can't keep ignoring this. Ok, give the man the opportunity to prove his innocence, but don't, under any circumstances make him acting PM. Is Kamla mad? All of the work she is putting in trying to promote T&T overseas is instantly devalued when Jack is in charge.
I say again, you can't condemn the man, let him defend himself by all means, but deal with the situation once and for all.
Jack Warner is not a Trinidadian.He rob the people of T+T with de football,now is football and govt;why de people of Trinidad and Tobago allowing this man to continue this daylight robbery?Now he gettin the people to pay ah old coach who cannot get a coaching job to full he pocket.we are going nowhere with this.Money will make and go in Mr Warner's bank account.Stop de man and send him back to Caiacou.
No meh grandfather is not grenadian, is a French boy who did get with he mother!
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"...the center act in the circus, was a monkey in a suit riding a bicycle. Popcorn was 50 a bag."
Appreciating Jack WarnerNice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
T&T Newsday
THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.
For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.
He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.
Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.
He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.
As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.
MF Rahman
via e-mail
Huh???? reall???..............really???!!!!Appreciating Jack WarnerNice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
T&T Newsday
THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.
For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.
He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.
Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.
He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.
As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.
MF Rahman
via e-mail
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday
As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.
MF Rahman
via e-mail
Huh???? reall???..............really???!!!!Appreciating Jack WarnerNice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
T&T Newsday
THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.
For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.
He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.
Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.
He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.
As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.
MF Rahman
via e-mail
if yuh eh mad then yuh crazy
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday
As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.
MF Rahman
via e-mail
oh dear
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
Thank u CoopsThe thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?
Lets wait and see what happens come that date.
Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?! ;)
Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?
Lets wait and see what happens come that date.
Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?! ;)
Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?
Lets wait and see what happens come that date.
Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?! ;)
Coops Bro,
It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.
Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?
Lets wait and see what happens come that date.
Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?! ;)
Coops Bro,
It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.
Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed. If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.
He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.
Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.
Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil:
Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser.
If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?
Lets wait and see what happens come that date.
Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?! ;)
Coops Bro,
It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.
Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed. If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.
He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.
Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.
Elan,
I have spoken to Coops on this matter and he do care about the players. He was a coach and has been through the same crap with the admin. But Coops wants everybody involed to come around the table and straighten about all the bad blood among the different parties. While some of us may agree with this, we also have such a strong distrust of jack because of his past dealings with players. Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack. But honestly I don't see that happenning.
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And theres the issue. Maybe leopards do change their spots, but you still can't help mistrusting them. You earn trust and respect, and if Jack wants to be respected and trusted, then he needs to show it. The way to start is to say "OK guys, I was wrong. I made mistakes. I'm sorry."
Then, maybe, the guys here will start to show a glimmer of belief. But if you continue to strut around acting like you're sh*t don't stink, when everyone knows what you done and who you done it to, no one will ever change their opinion.
Coops, I understand you want to see people start afresh, and maybe with someone like Anil that is possible. But Jack has too much bad history to be forgiven easily.
Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.
Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.
Warner subsequently invited Bin Hammam to present his case in T&T in order to hear both sides. Bin Hammam is expected to make a two-hour presentation to over 80 Concacaf delegates at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. After both presentations are considered, Concacaf are expected to announce who they will back for the Fifa presidency.
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has reacted angrily to allegations from Lord Triesman in the House of Commons.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12098_6925087,00.html
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.
yea as much as ah does bash Jack. Wrong is wrong and Treisman should have brought this up long time.Why now?
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.
laughable...
free yourself Coops
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?
I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.
However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.
Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own.
I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.
However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.
Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?
Coop's,This sounds like a threat boy,ah really have to watch my back,this don't seem like the forum for me,i thought they say it's all about entertainment but peeps taking it serious and wondering where all the violence in T&T coming from,if people who are supposed to be educated behaving like this what we expect of who not.Breds i don't know you but i'm sure you know me,if i'm any where i guess i could be attacked and don't who attack me,i wish you all the best with your threats,i was always safe and well protected at home and it continue to be that way because i never had anything to hide.
Watch yuhself. Yuh betta know what time it is homeboy. Time to get off de corruption wagon as people lorsing dey job for corruption or defending it. Give up dis "I-go-martyr-mehself-for-we-boy-Jackula-as he-runnin'-de gravy-dat-I-seek" mentality and get a life and buss' it from dah crowd. Make some new alliances soldyah. Ask Flex if you could join wit' him, Big Mag, Patriot, Tallman and de rest of the talent around and form a new TTFF. If yuh tink yuh too old and "been dey dun dat" den just chill and doh get in people way. Fuhget Scamps, Jackula and dem ass-hole lickers. Dey is a lorse cause and when people feel is safe to betray dem, it go be bad bad ........................... a real stink fall. Just try and be a Coop's that we can look up to and doh let Jackula destroy yuh legacy, by association. I personally like heroes and I want yuh to stay a hero, but yuh behaviour is seriously jeopardizing this and damaging the currency of your "words of wisdom".
Respect.
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat. :rotfl:Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness :beermug:
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat. :rotfl:Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness :beermug:
For some time now i realize i'm up against a little syndicate,anyone i respond or talk too it offends everybody,by now you all should realize i represent and speak for myself,i have no supporting cast,i does just try to change the tone of the topics that goes on here,i have nothing to benefit or gain from anything that goes on here,what i had to gain was gained already,alyu getting on as though i fighting with alyu,i never threaten or abuse anyone here but anything i say i'm attacked for no reason at all,i don't know any of you on here i met Flex and it was the best experience i had (what a guy) but i must say you all letting him down,i told you all already don't take me on,i can't do anything for you all,i'm old school and will stay old school because that's what i know,all my friends are the same way so continue with all the stupid talk alyu carrying with,if you notice we in control.Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat. :rotfl:Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness :beermug:
Coop's de man didn't threaten yuh... he trying to tell yuh that yuh putting yuh legacy at risk. "Watch yuhself" means "careful"... yuh jeopardizing yuh good name.
For some time now i realize i'm up against a little syndicate,anyone i respond or talk too it offends everybody,by now you all should realize i represent and speak for myself,i have no supporting cast,i does just try to change the tone of the topics that goes on here,i have nothing to benefit or gain from anything that goes on here,what i had to gain was gained already,alyu getting on as though i fighting with alyu,i never threaten or abuse anyone here but anything i say i'm attacked for no reason at all,i don't know any of you on here i met Flex and it was the best experience i had (what a guy) but i must say you all letting him down,i told you all already don't take me on,i can't do anything for you all,i'm old school and will stay old school because that's what i know,all my friends are the same way so continue with all the stupid talk alyu carrying with,if you notice we in control.
:beermug: Cheers my dear Friends
Bakes,look buddy,you and i had our little ups and downs on this forum at one time,the bottom line was that i was taking things too serious and should relax myself a bit this is all about entertainment,what's happening is people want to be serious when they want and turn things into a joke when ever it suits them,it's a public forum and people entitled to their own opinions.
Everybody on here have me down as Jack boy just because i support some of his views/ideas/what ever he does,let me tell you all something,the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini,i support the TTFF because it has done a lot for me and still continues to do a lot for me,you all will never know the kind of respect we get out here because of Jack,you will never know if you stay in T&T it's the only place he gets no respect,every and any Footballer weather they like him or not can tell of the help they got from him at one time or the other,it's not all bad guys sometimes we can give credit where credit is due.
You feel i studied Jack when i played Football?i played Football because i loved the game,the man i used to study was my father because he did not like me playing Football,he was all about books but i was determined, sports was a comfort to me and Football was what i did best,the rest is history.
I'm on this forum sometime now and have seem a lot of good guys leave without any kind of notice and always wondered why,i think is time.
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
:thumbsup:
I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
:thumbsup:
What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.
Those guys don't play for TTFF Breds they play for us,their country,the people.Any how alyu right. :beermug:I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
:thumbsup:
What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.
Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.
Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are trying to expose to help bring about change in how FIFA operates.
Those guys don't play for TTFF Breds they play for us,their country,the people.Any how alyu right. :beermug:I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
:thumbsup:
What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.
Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.
Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are trying to expose to help bring about change in how FIFA operates.
Another Andrew Jennings Panorama programme tonigh, jack got a couple of mentions.
Couple things of interest:-
had a ticket dealer on, he paid Jack 220,000 Euro (240,000 can't remember what was said) in cash for T & T allocated World Cup Tickets with a face value of 82,000 Euro for 2006 World Cup.
FIFA are blocking the settlement document for ISL? case from being released or trying to until after the election.
Have until end of year to be transparent in Switzerland or find a new home according to a Swiss MP.
So according to this, JW sold plenty WC 2006 tickets for 3 times face value. This are separate from the Simpauls tickets. Classy. ::)
So according to this, JW sold plenty WC 2006 tickets for 3 times face value. This are separate from the Simpauls tickets. Classy. ::)
Y u think u could not get any tickets from the TTFF 4 d England game? Sweden/Paraguay no problem but England. patriot I tink is d only person I know who got a ticket 4 dat game from d TTFF. But he is a determine fella.
Breaking: Warner and Bin Hammam have been suspended from FIFA pending a full enquiry
Blatter has been cleared
Two other Trinis charged with Warner
By Ian Prescott (May 27, 2011).
Sepp Blatter cleared as Fifa bans Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner
Fifa will open a full investigation into allegations Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner offered financial incentives to members of the Caribbean Football Union and have provisionally suspended them from all football activity, world football's governing body have confirmed.
Sepp Blatter, Fifa's current president, however will not face an investigation into the allegations that he knew about the payments. He will be free to stand for re-election unopposed at Wednesday's presidential vote after Bin Hammam withdrew from the race late on Saturday night.
"No investigation against Blatter is warranted," said the deputy chairman of the ethics committee Petrus Damaseb, who chaired the meeting that heard the evidence.
In relation to Bin Hammam and Warner, he said: "The committee is satisfied there is a case to answer, therefore a case will be held in due course where they will be expected to answer the charges against them."
Fifa have promised to conduct a "full-blown" investigation into the allegations against Bin Hammam and Warner.
More to follow ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/29/fifa-crisis
Blazer: Bin Hammam, Warner conspired 'from start'
By Graham Dunbar, AP Sports Writer
ZURICH
American FIFA official Chuck Blazer says Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner conspired to bribe voters "right from the start" of the presidential campaign.
Blazer tells The Associated Press "much more evidence" will emerge in the file of evidence he submitted which sparked the explosive FIFA ethics probe.
The U.S. official expects more Caribbean football leaders to admit they were offered $40,000 cash bribes to back bin Hammam in his election contest with FIFA President Sepp Blatter.
Bin Hammam withdrew Sunday, hours before he was suspended from FIFA pending a full inquiry. Warner was also suspended.
Blatter was cleared of ignoring corruption and is now the only candidate in Wednesday's election.
I now see this on Facebook :rotfl:
"FRAUD INFECTED FRIENDS ASSOCIATION"
I really feel Jack doing this for soo long he made the cardinal mistake of thinking he is invincible and started to get careless.
camps is vulnerable now people Warner is suspended from football activities::)
Hey i have high hopescamps is vulnerable now people Warner is suspended from football activities::)
You honestly believe that?!
Warners is fully in charge of his puppet Camps who still has 4 years left of his current term as TTFF president!
Warner unleashes his 'tsunami' with Blatter and Valcke accusations.
By: Matt Scott (guardian.co.uk).
Fifa has been rocked further as Sepp Blatter and Jrme Valcke, its two most senior figures, were accused of a "politically motivated" subversion of the presidential election process by one of the men suspended in the ethics committee inquiry.
Jack Warner was the vice-president who had spent almost 30 years on Fifa's executive committee until his provisional suspension on Sunday. Now, having warned of "a football tsunami" ahead of this week's election, he threatens to tear Fifa apart from within, challenging his suspension through the courts.
As a first step he has opened a front on Valcke, who is Fifa's top mandarin as its general secretary. Warner has disclosed an incendiary email in which Valcke discussed the presidential election campaign of the Qatari Fifa executive-committee member Mohamed bin Hammam, who was suspended on Sunday. In the message Valcke appears to accuse Qatar of "buying" the World Cup.
"'For MBH, I never understood why he was running,'" Valcke's email states. "'If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Blatter]. Or he thought you can buy Fifa as they [Qatar] bought the WC."
Valcke has confirmed the email but said it has been quoted selectively. "It was a private email and we will discuss it," Valcke said on Monday. "He sent me an email asking if I want that [Bin Hammam to run], he said I should ask Bin Hammam to pull out."
Qatar released a statement, denying any wrongdoing. It read: "Qatar 2022 categorically deny any wrong doing in connection with their winning bid. We are urgently seeking clarification from Fifa about the statement from their general secretary. In the meantime we are taking legal advice to consider our options."
Valcke's comments to Warner about Bin Hammam cast doubt on his own impartiality in the election process. According to Warner's statement Valcke, who is known to believe that he would be dismissed from Fifa were Bin Hammam to have won Wednesday's election, added in the email: "I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech.
"He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the 'coup de grace' if you would officially send a message as the Concacaf president by saying Concacaf supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."
Warner, the then Concacaf president, refused to offer that support. He claims what followed was evidence of the political "bias" of Fifa's administration in favour of the incumbent president, since it was Valcke who set the ball rolling on the inquiry that has led to the suspensions of Bin Hammam and Warner. "The complaints made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the Fifa," Warner said.
Warner's statement was prepared under legal advice and his case against Fifa will seek to discredit the principal accuser in the ethics committee inquiry. Concacaf's general secretary, Chuck Blazer, ordered the Collins & Collins report into Warner and Bin Hammam's conduct, which formed the basis of the ethics committee decision on Sunday.
"It is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the New York district court judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the Fifa matter of 7 December 2006," wrote Warner, before citing the court decision.
"Mr Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanour on his evasive answers on cross-examination ... Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanour, Mr Blazer's testimony as the 14 March 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated."
The final strand of Warner's attack on the events that led to his suspension on Sunday is against Blatter. Warner accuses Blatter of apportioning Fifa funds for his own political ends in the final weeks before Wednesday's election. "I also indicated that at the Miami Concacaf congress on 3 May Mr Blatter made a gift of $1m to Concacaf to spend as it deems fit," Warner said. "This annoyed [Uefa's] president Michel Platini who was present and he approached Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the finance committee to make this gift to which Jrme [sic] replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter."
The president of a Concacaf federation, in Zurich for a special caucus of the Caribbean, Central and North American confederation, has confirmed that this award had been made. It was in favour of two Goal projects of the confederation's choosing.
Follow all the latest updates on our live blog (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog)
Everything happen in its own time without our help , Jack if you escape this you cannot be stoped .
Now, Jack points the finger at football head...
T&T Guardian Reports.
Blatter must go
Suspended FIFA vice president Jack Warner told journalists in Zurich that he blames the President of FIFA, the world football governing body, for the allegations made against him: At the end of the day, Blatter has to be stopped.
Warner reiterated that he is about to unleash a tsunami on the football world, telling journalists in Zurich that they had not seen anything yet concerning the revelations that Qatar had bought the 2022 World Cup.
Holding up the e-mail which quoted FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke on the issue of Qatar 2022, Warner said: You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but, Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it.
These arguments may now begin to damage the organisation's commercial interests as, earlier on Monday, two of FIFA's largest sponsors - Coca-Cola and Adidas - expressed concern at the widely publicised in-fighting. "The current allegations being raised are distressing and bad for the sport," a Coca-Cola spokesperson told the BBC. "We have every expectation that FIFA will resolve this situation in an expedient and thorough manner."
An Adidas spokesman said: "The negative tenor of the public debate around FIFA at the moment is neither good for football nor for Fifa and its partners." FIFA executive committee members Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner have been suspended pending a full investigation into allegations that they arranged for US$1 million in bribes to be offered to 25 Caribbean associations at a special meeting in Trinidad earlier this month.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph newspaper reported last night that a football official from a Caricom country had taken a camera-phone photograph of piles of money of four US$10,000 stacks contained in brown envelopes. The photograph was initially taken by the official who called another official to ask him what to do, the Telegraph reported. The other official ordered him to take the picture and return the cash, and then contacted CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer to warn him of the bribery attempt.
In his witness statement, which forms part of the evidence filed to FIFA, the official was one of the first to go up to the room where he was handed a large brown envelope. When he opened it stacks of US $100 notes fell out and on to the table. I was stunned to see this cash, he said in an affidavit. He texted Sealey saying a lot of the boys taking the cash. This is sad given the breaking news on the TV, CNN ... Im truly surprised its happening at this conference [sic].
Meanwhile, Lisle Austin, a 74-year-old Barbadian national, was yesterday elevated as acting President of the Confederation of North, Central and Caribbean Association of Football (Concacaf), according to a statement sent to local media houses by an employee of suspended Fifa vice president, Jack Warner.
Austins substantive position is vice president, a position he has held since 1992. Austin replaces Concacaf president Jack Warner, who was temporarily suspended by FIFAs Ethics Committee on Sunday after a preliminary enquiry into charges of bribery levelled against him and Fifa executive committee member, Mohammed bin Hammam.
Checks with the Concacaf office in New York revealed that the governing body for football in the Caribbean, Central America and North America had not commented or sent out a release at any time regarding this matter. And the first directive issued by Austin on assuming office on Monday was for Concacaf to cease, immediately, all contractual arrangements with the law firm Collins and Collins.
Austin has called on Concacaf General Secretary Chuck Blazer to explain within 48 hours, what authority he had to unilaterally hire the firm to investigate allegations of misconduct by Concacaf members.
Austin made the request via a letter to Blazers hotel in Zurich. Austin also called on Blazer to explain the procedure and rationale behind decisions taken today as it relates to the attendance of tomorrows (todays) Fifa Congress.
Warner's statement in response: :beermug:
The following is a statement made today by Jack Warner to the media following the news of his suspension by FIFA from all international and national football-related activities.
Re: Today's FIFA decision
I attended the FIFA enquiry today at 12 noon pursuant to a request made of me by FIFA to answer allegation made by Chuck Blazer, General Secretary of CONCACAF.
I have learned this evening via the media that I have been provisionally suspended by the FIFA Ethics Committee. This has come both as a shock and surprise to me. At the conclusion of the enquiry I specifically requested that I be notified of any decision as I had learned via the media before attending the hearing that a decision would be handed down at 5:00PM. Despite leaving my contact details, up to this point, I still have not received any notification from the FIFA.
At the hearing I indicated that I submitted two written statements outlining my position. I expressed my disappointment with the way in which the enquiry was conducted as I was given less than twenty four hours to submit a statement for consideration by the committee and, moreover, one of the five members of the Committee is from Uruguay and did not have the value of a translated version of my or Mr bin Hammam's submission. This lack of translation services brings into question the issue of due process.
In addition, FIFA did not have the courtesy to provide me with copies of the allegations before the hearing and it was only during the hearing were the allegations read to me.
At the hearing, among other things, I was asked about the special meeting with the CFU to hear Mr Bin Hammam and whether such a meeting was normal I indicated that President Blatter earlier this year had held a similar meeting in South Africa with thirty seven countries and no objections had been made of that to date. In fact this has been the practice of FIFA in holding meetings with member countries before elections.
I denied the allegations that I made statements at the CFU meeting about gifts being given by Mr Bin Hammam. I also indicated that at the Miami CONCACAF Congress on May 3rd Mr. Blatter made a gift of one million USD to CONCACAF to spend as it deems fit. This annoyed President Michel Platini who was present and he approached Secretary General Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the Finance Committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.
I also indicated at the CFU meeting held in Trinidad on May 10 which was requested by Mr. Bin Hammam, FIFA through Mr. Blatter organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date.
In my statement I attached letters from thirteen Federations whose members attended the CFU Meeting where the allegations of gifts were made.
These statements from the 13 members denied the allegations that have been made against me and any participation of these individuals in the act complained of. While with regard to the allegation of payment only one statement was submitted by Collins & Collins.
On May 18 when I realised that the political battle between Blatter and Bin Hammam was getting out of hand I wrote Secretary General Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world which we can ill afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race. To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC. I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech. By doing so he can say he push Blatter to make new commitments bla bla bla and get out under applause. Before means he is a looser. So...He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the "coup de grace" if you would officially send a message as the CONCACAF President by saying CONCACAF supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."
Despite the plea from SG Valcke, I refused to give any advice about how CONCACAF will be voting.
At no time during this matter was I ever contacted by Mr. Blazer nor did he contact the Executive or the Emergency Committee of the CONCACAF and it is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the NY District Court Judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the FIFA matter of 7th December 2006 .
(para 213) Mr. Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanor on his evasive answers on cross-examination.
(para 214) Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanor, Mr. Blazer's testimony as the March 14, 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated.
The complaints made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the FIFA.
It is also shocking that at the close of an inquiry at around 5:47pm when the decision was already delivered new evidence in the form of a fax from the Puerto Rico FF appears making allegations which were treated as part of the evidence in this matter. This further demonstrates in the way the enquiry was conducted and the prejudice against me.
The decision to suspend me is an abuse of the process and achieves no real purpose as stated in the decision and again demonstrates the bias of this enquiry.
I intend to say a lot more on this matter shortly.
In the meantime, I will vigorously defend my reputation as well as the reputation of the rest of the Caribbean members.
Respectfully submitted
Sgd Jack Warner
Now, Jack points the finger at football head...
T&T Guardian Reports.
Blatter must go
Holding up the e-mail which quoted FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke on the issue of Qatar 2022, Warner said: You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but, Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it.
Chuck, you're fired... "dude seriously, you're making this difficult..."
More popcorn!
the way Jack going just now he go tell PP supporters to support PNM.
WHat is this i hearin about Jack gettin a hero's welcome back home today???
Hahahahahaha...Well yes!!!WHat is this i hearin about Jack gettin a hero's welcome back home today???
And Manning get 1 so Jack eh folks 2.
Blazer look like he want to fight he termination but after reading the pertinent articles he assed out lol. Austin do fuh him. Whoever helping him from CONCACAF offices will likely end up getting axed too if they don't stop because there is noting in the statutes that say the president doesn't have the power to remove anyone.
Blazer look like he want to fight he termination but after reading the pertinent articles he assed out lol. Austin do fuh him. Whoever helping him from CONCACAF offices will likely end up getting axed too if they don't stop because there is noting in the statutes that say the president doesn't have the power to remove anyone.
Nothing that I saw that said he can though.
Indeed but to say he can't would mean you must prove through the statutes that he has erred in believeing he has unilatteral power to remove. The ambiguity of said power doesn't negate it. The power to appoint clearly lies within the comittee so he definitely can't appoint, but removal unless otherwise expressly stated has to be part of the "powers" of the president. Austin eh no fool he make sure if nothing else there is no statutory argument that can be made against it. Blazer will lose this one even if it is prolonged.
Indeed but to say he can't would mean you must prove through the statutes that he has erred in believeing he has unilatteral power to remove. The ambiguity of said power doesn't negate it. The power to appoint clearly lies within the comittee so he definitely can't appoint, but removal unless otherwise expressly stated has to be part of the "powers" of the president. Austin eh no fool he make sure if nothing else there is no statutory argument that can be made against it. Blazer will lose this one even if it is prolonged.
Actually, just the opposite. Implicit in the powers of appointment is that the General Secretary serves at the pleasure of the Executive Committee, therefore wherein lies the power to appoint, also lies powers of removal. Articles 29 and 30 only speak of the President conferring with the ExCo on matters such as this. There is nothing that says he unilaterally has the power to remove the General Secretary. One would think that had the order been legit there would be no need for him to state it twice... locks would'a been changed and security would'a meet Chuck by the door.
Blazer has his supporters within so it's natural they would try and fight it. I don't think Austin was thinking of the response otherwise the doors probably would have been locked. I think he expected it to go unchallenged. He had no choice but to reitterate his position given the press response by CONCACAF in NY so I don't see that as any measure of his uncertainty in his position. I disagree with that argument that the powers of removal are inplied through the 28th statute though. If anything 30 will work against Austin as this certainly seems to be a matter that requires "immediate
attention" and committee intervention. But this line in 29 is trump "The President has the judicial and extrajudicial
representation of CONCACAF." It will be interesting to observe but in the end I say Blazer gone.
All that says is that he can represent the Confederation in legal and other official matters... doesn't really address his actual powers. As for the appointment/removal piece, that's actually a general truism in administrative law. But who knows, maybe CONCACAF/FIFA have their own way of doing things, it certainly won't be a surprise.
FIFA was experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The US$2 million contract was awarded to a company called Semtor, whose project manager turned out to be Daryan Warner, who picked up a cheque for US$60,000 as management liaison between all Web initiative consultants.
JACK'S BACK
By SEAN DOUGLAS Saturday, June 4 2011
Warner said, I am advised. Im saying again, I am advised. And Im saying to you, Mr Speaker, all Im saying to you, is that this is an area that has to be investigated, because I dont know what kind of terrorism....
add the FACT that Jack and his cronies did not even protest our tief loss to Haiti, Mexico did...and did so late dat we did not go to the 74 world cup...I feel he got bribe by Bay Doc...as did the ref and one linesman:beermug:
Warners rise to power in FIFA
T&T Guardian Reports.
FIFA vice-president and CONCACAF president Austin Jack Warner has been a member of the FIFA Executive Committee since 1983, and CONCACAF president since 1990.
Estimates suggest that he has amassed a fortune of almost US$50 million. When Warner became the general secretary of the Trinidad Football Association in 1973, he immediately entrenched his power by setting up numerous organisations filled with his people, who could exercise voting rights should he come under threat from a competitor.
He rapidly spotted a chance for further promotion when he ran for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union, which came with the added prize of a seat on the FIFA Executive Committee.
Warner helped formed the Trinidad and Tobago's Professional Football League (PFL) in 1999, then the first professional football league in the Caribbean, which has since been superseded by the T&T Pro League. Warner purchased the Scarlet Ibis Hotel in St Augustine for TT$6 million in 1998, which he renovated and renamed the Emerald Apartments and Plaza.
Run by his son Daryl, that entity sponsored local football competitions, including the 2010 Eastern Football Association Emerald Apartments and Plaza Cup. Warner also owns Kantac Plaza in Arouca, which was used as the base for T&Ts successful 2006 World Cup qualifying campaign.
He has other real estate holdings, including the offices used by Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) and CONCACAF. CONCACAF pays Warner nearly a third of a million dollars a year rent. Warner also claims business interests in Costa Rica and the United States. Warner states that his investments were funded from the salary and allowances I received from FIFA.
He was re-elected for a new term as FIFA vice-president in 2011. During his tenure, Warner has been implicated in numerous corruption allegations that reach back as far as the 1980s. On May 10, 2011, corruption allegations were levelled against Warner by former English Football Association chairman, Lord David Triesman.
Triesman alleged that Warner was one of four FIFA executive committee members who asked for money in return for his vote supporting Englands 2018 World Cup bid. FIFA senior executives Mohamed bin Hammam and Warner have been suspended pending a full investigation into bribery allegations that they offered US$1 million in bribes to delegates at a Caribbean soccer association meeting on May 10-11 in Trinidad.
The payments were allegedly made to secure votes for bin Hammam, in his campaign to unseat Blatter. The evidence was compiled by US executive committee member Chuck Blazer. Following is the time line chronologising Warners ascendancy in FIFA and the controversies that have dogged him:
1963: General Secretary of the Central Football Association.
197173: General Secretary of the Central St George Football Association.
1973: Secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).
1983: CONCACAF vice-president and also joined the FIFA Executive Committee.
1990: Elected president of the Caribbean Football Union, resigning his post in the same year at TTFF, but was immediately appointed a special adviser, a position that he still holds. He was also elected CONCACAF president.
1996: launched of Joe Public Football Club.
1997: Appointed FIFA vice-president.
2010: Stated his intention to stand for re-election as FIFA vice-president in 2011.
2011: Re-elected for a new term as FIFA vice-president.
CONTROVERSIES
1989: During T&Ts ill-fated World Cup 1990 qualifying encounter with the US at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, Warner announced that extra tickets would be printed for the game and alcohol restrictions within the ground would be lifted. The stadiums 28,500 capacity seating was oversold and 45,000 tickets were printed.
1996: Warner was involved in substituting Vincy Jalal, the girlfriend of the head of the Jamaican Football Federation (JFF), Horace Burrell into the place of the absent Haitian delegate, Dr Jean-Marie Kyss, in the 1996 FIFA Congress.
1998: Haitis vote was also replaced at the 1998 FIFA Congress, this time by Trinidadian Neville Ferguson.
2001: The Under-17 World Cup was awarded to T&T. Contracts to build five new stadiums went to companies linked to associates of Warner. When technical staff from the broadcasting companies visited the new venues, they discovered that roof beams and cables would obstruct the cameras angles of the pitch. When they tried to question Warner and FIFA over this, they were sidelined.
All the food and beverage contracts for the new stadiums were awarded to a local restaurant business, owned by Warners son, Daryan.
The flights and accommodation arrangement for the 15 teams participating in the tournament were done through Simpauls Travel service, owned by the Warner family.
FIFA was experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The US$2 million contract was awarded to a company called Semtor, whose project manager turned out to be Daryan Warner, who picked up a cheque for US$60,000 as management liaison between all Web initiative consultants.
2002: Various global media publications alleged that Warner had made a profit of $350,000 selling 2002 FIFA World Cup tickets.
2004: When meeting the Queen at Buckingham Palace, he complained to her that British companies were failing to spend their sponsorship money on football in T&T. (Jennings,
p.320)
2005: T&T qualified for the World Cup for the first time after Dennis Lawrences header knocked out Bahrain to send T&T to Germany. The only way that Trinidadians could get tickets for the teams first-round matches was through Simpaul Travel Services, the company owned by Warner. Tickets for the three group stage games and shared accommodation would cost fans 2,730.53. Simpaul Travel was making a profit of over 1,700 on each package sold. The Independent newspaper in England suggested that Warner made a profit of over 10 million on T&Ts ticket allocation. A privately appointed committee was responsible for handling the sponsorship and merchandising for the team.
After a request from a London-based business, they requested a fee of US$80,000, plus five per cent of gross sales of the proposed merchandise. The representative of the private committee turned out to be Daryl Warner, one of Warners sons.
FIFA regulations stated that packaging tickets with other services was not permitted, but Warners own company was flouting FIFAs own rules, while he was accused of selling FIFA tickets for his own personal profit. In consequence of being found guilty of breaking FIFAs Article 5, minutes of FIFAs executive committee indicate that a fine of almost US$1 million, equal to the expected profiteering, was imposed on the family. Warner also agreed to severe all family links with Simpaul immediately.
However, Warner's son Daryan remained a director of Simpaul throughout World Cup 2006, while his personal assistant remained the company secretary of Simpaul. Despite numerous reminders from FIFA, only $250,000 has been paid.
The British newspaper The London Daily Mail reported that Warners son, Daryan was fined US$1 million in 2007, after investigative journalist Andrew Jennings, the presenter of FIFAs Dirty Secrets revealed the Ernst & Young report which exposed that Warner had sold tickets through the travel agent Simpaul.
But he backin out now about releasin any 'bombshell" sayin dat lawyers advise him not to say anyting
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....:D
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....:rotfl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5TY2matx8A :'(
He said the PNM wanted his head because he was a committed member of the UNC. Warner said: The PNM want my head. They hate my guts. You know why they hate me so much? Because I love you so much. If I was not in UNC, I never would face this.
My biggest sin in the PNM is that I am member of UNC. I told you today and the PNM that I, Jack Warner, shall be with you always, until the end of my time. There is no cause to worry, rant or rave. I going nowhere. The MP added: Yesterday, I saw 265.
Crap!!!!!!
He said the PNM wanted his head because he was a committed member of the UNC. Warner said: The PNM want my head. They hate my guts. You know why they hate me so much? Because I love you so much. If I was not in UNC, I never would face this.
My biggest sin in the PNM is that I am member of UNC. I told you today and the PNM that I, Jack Warner, shall be with you always, until the end of my time. There is no cause to worry, rant or rave. I going nowhere. The MP added: Yesterday, I saw 265.
Crap!!!!!!
Sounds like the sort of thing a demented dictator like Gaddafi would say!!
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....
:rotfl: :devil:Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....
Like Coop's still on hold on that phone call to JW. He cyah come back yet? Or did he get caught in de Tsunami? Somebody call de redcross.
Psychic Winston Ragoo: Jack will be cleared
...but FIFA will go all out to bring him down
Published: Sun, 2011-06-05 21:19
Shaliza Hassanali
Local psychic Winston Ragoo Suspended vice president of FIFA Jack Warner will eventually be cleared of bribery charges levelled against him by the internal football governing body. With this allegation out of the way, local psychic Winston Ragoo predicts Warner will willingly step down from the post and stick to his job as a government minister, serving the citizens of T&T, thousands of whom have been rallying behind him since the controversy erupted within FIFA. But this will not be the end of Warners troubles, Ragoo said, as he will be dogged by corruption allegations in the coming months from throngs of people and a battery of FBI agents trailing his every move.
Ragoo said FIFA will work closely with FBI agents in an attempt to bring Warner to his knees. They will try to go all out to bring Warner down. Before the years end, Ragoo said, Warner will face an uphill battle with new allegations of corruption surfacing. Warners misery has just begun. People will be coming forward with information in an attempt to nail him. Meanwhile, Ragoo said Warners performance in the last year has created a lot of enemies in and out of the Government. With supporters rallying behind Warner, Ragoo said, this can lead to the Works and Transport Minister becoming more popular than Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Also, the relationship between Warner and Legal Affairs Minister Prakash Ramadhar will become strained following recent statements made against Warner and by Warner against Ramadhar. He also predicted a collapse of the PPs support base if Warner walks.
With Gibbs now on the case, and perhaps too, Customs, it looks like things are falling apart for Jack.
who is influencing Gibbs to investigate Jack?
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?
I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?
I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?
I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure
Piggy bank/thiefIn the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?
I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure
i never saw the benefit of warner to our football...lets do the talking on the field and let our performances get us to where we have to go...enough of the godfather mentality...
Who gonna bail them out now when Pfister not getting his salary
While I do not like Jack and his antics, he did help T&T football in many ways. Any idea how we hosted all those CONCACAF tournaments? Going back to the 80's he single handedly mortgaged his house to host some of those tournaments and bring some of those big clubs to T&T. That brought exposure to our game and to our play and allowed our players to be exposed eventually opening the door for Yorke, Latas, Ince etc to gain professional contracts.In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?
I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure
i never saw the benefit of warner to our football...lets do the talking on the field and let our performances get us to where we have to go...enough of the godfather mentality...
No FIFA = no concacaf, no cfu. Obviously, Jack will do anything to avoid the results of the FIFA inquiry being revealed. Question is will Gibbs still investigate?
Just think, when the players started the court case, people said Warner could never be beaten. I know this wasn't directly to do with the court case, but maybe the court victory showed others that he wasn't undefeatable.
Jack resigning from FIFA doh mean nothing as it relates to T&T Football. He still in charge and the one pulling all the strings...when that stop then I go be happy!
Big Up!
Jack Warner Resigns - Big Soccer
After persistent rumors all weekend long, FIFA Soccer News Topics announced this morning that Vice President Jack Warner has resigned.
In a negotiated deal, FIFA is dropping the investigation of Warners' activities in connection with the Port-of-Spain Soccer News Topics Bribe-o-Rama on May 10 & 11.
I think it's probably more accurate to say - although I haven't seen this particular verbiage - that, since obviously the affair cannot possibly be investigated without looking into Warners' role, FIFA has agreed not to publish a finding in his case.
Warner has agreed to quit all of his positions in International soccer, including Vice President of FIFA, President of CONCACAF, President of the Caribbean Football Union, member of the FIFA Executive Committee and, of course, Special Advisor to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation.
Here's the entire statement from FIFA:
Jack A. Warner has informed FIFA about his resignation from his posts in international football.
FIFA regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warners decision.
His resignation has been accepted by world footballs governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the CONCACAF confederation are appreciated and acknowledged.
Mr Warner is leaving FIFA by his own volition after nearly 30 years of service, having chosen to focus on his important work on behalf of the people and government of Trinidad and Tobago as a Cabinet Minister and as the Chairman of the United National Congress, the major party in his countrys coalition government.
The FIFA Executive Committee, the FIFA President and the FIFA management thank Mr Warner for his services to Caribbean, CONCACAF and international football over his many years devoted to football at both regional and international level, and wish him well for the future.
As a consequence of Mr Warners self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
That sound you just heard was the starters' pistol beginning the mad scramble for the posts and the power he's leaving behind.
Center of excellence will soon close. depending on who take over all fifa conference will stop....just to spite Jack.. What a sad day for Joe Public as well. No more free games for TnT national team , and money for foreign coach gone as well.
I now printing up meh 'Free Jack Warner' tee shirts. oh well
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.Me too.
Now we could purge the TTFF of dem inept administrators and really get this thing going.Keep dreamin buddy. that iz ah different animal altogether.
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Now we could purge the TTFF of dem inept administrators and really get this thing going.Keep dreamin buddy. that iz ah different animal altogether.
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Somebody check Coop's!!!!
Somebody check Coop's!!!!
Nowhere to be seen!!!
Maybe he's reading but is too embarassed to post, who knows?! 8)
Somebody check Coop's!!!!
Nowhere to be seen!!!
Maybe he's reading but is too embarassed to post, who knows?! 8)
Hanged
I predict a split between CFU and CONCACAF as the most politically convenient resolution. CFU would get a .5 berth and play CONCACAF 4th place team to qualify for future world cups. CONCACAF wont risk the chance of another Caribbean-based President who may do Jack's bidding.
Hanged
Jack may have been hanged but its not game until accounts have been shown and either the players get their money or someone makes a jail for not paying up after losing the game! ;)
Hanged
Jack may have been hanged but its not game until accounts have been shown and either the players get their money or someone makes a jail for not paying up after losing the game! ;)
That past hanging, that's when Jack will be f**ked.
IF that does happen.
Center of excellence will soon close. depending on who take over all fifa conference will stop....just to spite Jack.. What a sad day for Joe Public as well. No more free games for TnT national team , and money for foreign coach gone as well.
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:
Unfortunately just the opposite!!
Now T&T taxpayers may be forced to pay for him giving up his FIFA sources of brown envelopes and world cup tickets for re-selling on the black market!!
Someone will have to pay for the short fall as Diamondtrim will need his regular supply of new silk suits! ;)
This can either mean he has more time to 1. Continue raping our football, especially since it will be his main source of income now 2.Devote himself to turning around our football program for the better.
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Your reasons may differ from mine, but I was surprised to catch myself there too, especially where national football development is concerned.
The CFU still has voting power so I'm not that concerned for that right now. But with all the problems plaguing the game from Pro-league to youth football its really not the best time to have a leadership vaccum, and inevitable infighting in the country. Then again we have not had competent leadership for a long time.
Not to mention the lack of a new generation of competent, experienced administrators (no succession planning by TTFF), or even the possibility that Jack and Co. will continue to exert undue, destructive influnce on the development of the game.
This can either mean he has more time to 1. Continue raping our football, especially since it will be his main source of income now 2.Devote himself to turning around our football program for the better.
A leopard cannot change its spots!! Don't be a dotish bobolee! ???
You worried about a leadership vacuum?
Well, it would really force the TTFF to get its house in order
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.Me too.
My rejoicing on hold for many reasons:
-As long as the present administration is in power in the TTFF then Jack is still calling the shots
-As long as the present administration is in power in government Jack still has the ability to be an obstructive, if not destructive force locally, be it in politics or in sport.
-A FIFA probe promised to be damaging to him on both fronts and likely would have effected his removal from government, although that was not guaranteed given how this PP gov't continues to carry on without shame.
- This is good news for us in the long term, but in the short term it hardly helps TnT football as nothing really has changed, certainly no change for the better. Whatever development funds were sent our way, very little actually trickled down to those doing the "development"... expect even less now, because FIFA ent sending none.
- From a regional and international standpoint this is devastating for our football. Anti-Jack sentiments run so deep that there very likely will be a strong backlash against us... particularly if a non-CFU CONCACAF President emerges. Blazer has already demonstrated that he has no respect for the CFU, and a handful of our own members are complicit in perpetrating this thought that the entire CFU is corrupt and untrustworthy. As a consequence, it is likely that things will revert to how they were before Warner when Caribbean football was paid short shrift by the Mexican and Central American dominated Confederation... except now you have the US in the mix. Expect plumb assignments and tournaments to be steered away from the region towards the US and Mexico.
:devil:de devil is gone :beermug: :applause:
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:
Unfortunately just the opposite!!
Now T&T taxpayers may be forced to pay for him giving up his FIFA sources of brown envelopes and world cup tickets for re-selling on the black market!!
Someone will have to pay for the short fall as Diamondtrim will need his regular supply of new silk suits! ;)
ent!! dais de problem right dey...he 'fire' 3 jobs in one shot, so now he down to just 4 he have time to concentrate on taxpayers $$ as the main income source
Lamborghinis expensive to fill & does drink gas fass fass
weary, brownie on she honeymoon arready?....she faddah had a shotgun in de weddin or wha?
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office
trinis really dont know what they want jack gone finally and some having mixed doubt asking what will happen to we football and all kinds of nonsense, if you think that Jack spent his own money on TNT football then you must need you head examined, that money allocated to trinidad and toabgo football, where will our football be without jack well where are with him, at the bottom looking up with that i say be gone satan good bye adios so long and is only so long before they get you out of that big budget ministry
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office
No way! He's actually appearing to do a very good job. His local PR machine is excellent. He only has 2 problems now. If Gibbs investigates and finds something incriminating, which while I feel that evidence could be found, I don't feel it will implicate Jack, and secondly, if the judge orders a forensic audit of TTFF & LOC accounts. This is more likely to bring his downfall. Regardless of whether TTFF settle with the players, the judge has certain evidence confirming that TTFF and LOC submitted inaccurate accounts twice to the courts. This means they either submitted a different set of accounts to the Inland Revenue or they also submitted innaccurate accounts. As I understand it, Camps is ultimately responsible for TTFF & LOC accounts, however, as Jack was head of LOC, he would have had to sign off on those accounts, and it was he that supplied the accounts to the players in a meeting. That will be a tough one to get out of.
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?
I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure
No effect... we remain shite
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office
Are you living in Chaguanas West? ::)
trinis really dont know what they want jack gone finally and some having mixed doubt asking what will happen to we football and all kinds of nonsense, if you think that Jack spent his own money on TNT football then you must need you head examined, that money allocated to trinidad and toabgo football, where will our football be without jack well where are with him, at the bottom looking up with that i say be gone satan good bye adios so long and is only so long before they get you out of that big budget ministry
Greetings,
Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.
Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.
How ironic.
How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.
Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.
As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.
I need no convincing................
Greetings,
Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.
Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.
How ironic.
How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.
Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.
As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.
I need no convincing................
Greetings,
Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.
Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.
How ironic.
How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.
Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.
As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.
I need no convincing................
Greetings,
Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.
Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.
How ironic.
How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.
Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.
As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.
I need no convincing................
Us 'hypocrites are glad that Jack is gone. But the manner of his retirement leaves sensible to people to ask where to next? Where are the brilliant young administrators that have been groomed to take over the reins? How will the TTFF handle the inevitable power shift at this critical time? There is no answer because Jack and friends never thought they would be unceremoniously turfed from FIFA.
Not to mention the question as to whether Jack will be offering any unilateral 'guidance' in the future. Your father has money to burn. We have to assume he will continue to manipulate the game with his dollars and his 'benevolence as you put it. You seem to think the handwringing is because Jack is gone. Its not, its because he's not gone far enough.
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.Me too.
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...
Quite frankly my biggest concern is who will pay Pfister. There I said it. allyuh bring it out of meh. Yes like one said; when yuh dismantling an empire it does take time. In the interim as their is no legacy we are as good as doomed. Is it worth.. I'm sure somewhere in a utopian society I would say yes but as it stands in this world of scoundrels I dam well worried. I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!
Caption This Guys.... :devil:
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Boy yuh make mih morning!!!!
I did not realise That jack let this money pass in Trinidad.
As a govt minister you cannot be at the center of this type of drama. You have to do that stuff outside trindad jurisdriction.
Let us see if kamla and them will kick him out or if his funding the party will protect him.
This may also be the end of the coalition govt.
They run on the platform of cleaning up corruption and look at what is going down.
All we need now is for the Sheik to make a public statement or some peons to start talking.
btw how did this money get into the Country
Did somebody take a bank withdrawal of that much US or did someone walk through the airport with money in a suitcase?
things getting more and more serious.....
" They cant hang my Jack"
:rotfl:
Caption This Guys.... :devil:
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)
Nope. Unless they specifically name Jack, he is not guilty by association. He can just say how disapointed he is in them and then give them jobs in Min of W&T.
Caption This Guys.... :devil:
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)
So wait if Bin Hammam is found guilty of bribery and also CFU officials Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester .. Warner can be expelled from parliament i presume ...
The British need to get a f**king life. What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything? steups
The British need to get a f**king life. What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything? steups
Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.
Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.
From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.
It's a sick obsession... is what it is. Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension. Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other. And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA. You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner. I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.
I kinda with you here... i was now studying what he pension have to do with anything and I don't find the amount is anywhere near obscene neither...
however i glad the british media obsessed... because them doing de wuk that the trini media fraid to do...
The British need to get a f**king life. What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything? steups
Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.
Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.
From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.
It's a sick obsession... is what it is. Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension. Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other. And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA. You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner. I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.
The British need to get a f**king life. What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything? steups
Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.
Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.
From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.
It's a sick obsession... is what it is. Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension. Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other. And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA. You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner. I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.
The British need to get a f**king life. What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything? steups
Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.
Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.
From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.
It's a sick obsession... is what it is. Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension. Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other. And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA. You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner. I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.
Yes our understanding is certainly different and apparently YOU'RE not very clear... all the examples you cite are public or government positions. Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime. FIFA is a private organization and short of committing a crime... and unless provided for in the terms of employment, being accused of an ethical issue will normally not cost you your pension.
You also fail to understand that FIFA has no jurisdiction over Jack Warner once he resigned. They can go thru the motions and investigate but without having him there cooperating by answering questions it will be a waste of time. Even if they DO investigate him and find him guilty of an ethical violation... what is the end result... banning him after he's already resigned? You're now claiming that this took place "in a public forum"... since when is a private meeting at a private hotel, by private parties equal a "public forum"? You and others are on a mission to get Jack by any means necessary, no matter how you back away from it. If that means a waste of public resources by Gibbs, or a waste of private resources by FIFA it doesn't matter to you... as long as they investigate.
You see, again mate, you're either misreading or choosing to twist words. Look above, I said "as this is in the public forum" in other words it is in the newspapers. I also said "in most major organisations AND THIS INCLUDES etc etc"1
And silly old me believed that IF FIFA carried on investigating and IF FIFA found a criminal offence had taken place, they have a duty to report this to the relevent authorities along with any evidence. 2You see, in the real world, you cannot avoid the law 3just by saying I resign, otherwise I'm sure Madof would have thought of that little loophole. Now, in reality, its very unlikely that FIFA would have the balls to do this if they did find evidence.
Oh yes, and as for this comment of yours: "Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime." Maybe you haven't been keeping up, but Jack Warner is a public employee. 4Just because the alleged offence wasn't to do with his political role, its still counts my friend. Especially if he used his Ministerial position to steer people through customs with undeclared funds.5 I know this is no big deal to you, but to me its abuse of power. But I'm prepared to let this go on the understanding that next time you enter T&T you bring US$40,000 through Piarco without declaring it. After all, it don't matter, right?
And finally, Keith Rowley continually refers to the bribery as a crime. You may be right and he may be wrong, but after 2 weeks, not one lawyer, including Om Lalla, has said this is not a crime.6
"Gibbs has done the best and only thing that he could do, which is to write to FIFA. He cannot really do anything else at this point," Lalla said
Nope. Unless they specifically name Jack, he is not guilty by association. He can just say how disapointed he is in them and then give them jobs in Min of W&T.
I will try to find where I thought Rowley referred to bribery, but in the meantime on one of the other threads there is a news report in which they say Gibbs has written to FIFA requesting their files concerning the bribery allegations, so I assume that means bribery is illegal. If, as you say, bribery is not illegal in T&T, then I will accept your word, so if I give you some cash, perhaps we can forget all about this? :rotfl:
Regarding pension rules, from what I can recall, dismissal due to serious misconduct including financial irregularities can result in your removal from a company or group pension scheme where the company has contributed. You are, however, entitled to a refund of your contributions. I certainly cannot state that this is a fact for every large organisation, though its my understanding that this is a fairly standard clause. As a financial adviser working with high net worth clients in the City of London and Canary Wharf areas, I had access to many of the largest employers pension schemes including banks, supermarkets, traders etc. I personally had two Deutche Bank Vice Presidents as clients. And, yes, you are correct, this is open to litigation, but this is usually attached to wrongful dismissal actions. I have never had a client sacked for a criminal offence so I cannot comment on the outcome of such an action.
But out of curiosity (and this is not to pick another fight with you) would you honestly attempt to bring a large amount of undeclared cash through customs?
I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!
FIFA release Jack Warner Q&A
Trinidad Guardian Published: Tue, 2011-06-21 16:09
FIFA have released the following Q&A detailing some key issues surrounding vice president Jack Warner's resignation.
Q. Does Mr Warner's resignation mean he won't now be investigated by the FIFA ethics committee?
A. He will be investigated as a witness but not as an accused party. He has offered his support to the ethics committee in their continued investigation. ??? ???
Q. Please could you expand on the reason(s) for the FIFA ethics committee procedures against Jack Warner being dropped?
A. Please see article one of the FIFA code of ethics which says "this code applies to all officials". According to Swiss association law, FIFA only has jurisdiction on its affiliated members. If a person leaves or resigns from an association, FIFA has no jurisdiction on that person anymore. Hence the ethics committee had legally no other option than to close the proceedings. However, should that person come back to football, the investigation would be automatically re-opened.
Q. Will FIFA examine Mr Warner's role in the affair, if as he says, he intends to continue to help FIFA with its inquiries?
A. Yes. ???
Q. Has he been offered some kind of immunity?
A. No. Eh?? ???
Q. Are the investigations completed in the case of Mr Bin Hammam and Mr Warner?
A. Please note that the current investigation launched by the FIFA ethics committee is still ongoing and the provisional suspension of Mr Bin Hammam is still in place. We cannot speculate on the outcome of the main procedures.
However, as mentioned in today's FIFA media release: "As a consequence of Mr Warner's self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained." However, Mr Warner will be heard as a witness.
Q. What does "the presumption of innocence is maintained" mean?
A. If a person was not found guilty and such a decision became final and binding, the presumption of innocence is maintained. This is a basic principle in law.
Well ah understand this part....
The code of conduct of ministers and parliamentarians should be reviewed in the light of this matter so that the lessons learned be used to clarify and improve them. Other investigations still underway into whether the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been broken should be completed and appropriate action taken to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion, the release stated.
The code of conduct of ministers and parliamentarians should be reviewed in the light of this matter so that the lessons learned be used to clarify and improve them. Other investigations still underway into whether the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been broken should be completed and appropriate action taken to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion, the release stated.
:beermug:
I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!
Nah, nah, nah......I was always going Brazil boss so the new mantra is
I GOING BRAZIL!!!!
:devil: :devil: ;D
just a quick question to those legal minds out there ... if warner remains a member of any football grouping under the umbrella of FIFA can be not be investigated by FIFA ? Or is it that he is only to be investigated if he holds the position of vice president of Fifa and concacaf boss ?
Has he resigned his position as a member of the east zone of the TTFF ? any org. under the authority of the TTFF is under the authority of the parent body( FIFA) as far as my layman understanding goes ...correct me if I am wrong. he may have resigned from the east zone ...I am just asking ...
This question has implications for the any investigation that may require FIFA's help.
I am sure most folks would want closure on this matter and not just have it dismissed because warner resigned his big posts.
Requiem for a Heavyweight
Warner: My new role is problems of T&T.
By: Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian).
And I was just going to wonder out loud if this man doh get tired of being under investigation and living in the courts?
he resign and dey still do the report and the world knows now the report found him GUILTY but who cares in Trinidad is business and usual for the cabinet minister.
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
That situation was as different as night and day. Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position. Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court. Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack. It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
That situation was as different as night and day. Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position. Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court. Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack. It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
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Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
he resign and dey still do the report and the world knows now the report found him GUILTY but who cares in Trinidad is business and usual for the cabinet minister.
Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
That situation was as different as night and day. Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position. Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court. Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack. It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
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Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Interesting but hasn't Jack already stated that this is the normal way that FIFA does business?
Why is he now trying to deny that he was involved in distribution of the cash!
So who facilitated the meeting then? Is JW now trying to have us believe that he was unaware of what was going down? ::)
Aye alyu Coops is back !!!!!! nice post Bakes :applause: ,i'm so glad you are able to respond to these guys without getting annoyed,it's really frustrating when i read some of these posts,i'm sorry i had to take a break and missed out on what has been going on,i'm still laughing at those who insist the Jack should be destroyed,don't say i didn't tell you all but keep up the good fight. :rotfl: :rotfl:Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.
Yes our understanding is certainly different and apparently YOU'RE not very clear... all the examples you cite are public or government positions. Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime. FIFA is a private organization and short of committing a crime... and unless provided for in the terms of employment, being accused of an ethical issue will normally not cost you your pension.
You also fail to understand that FIFA has no jurisdiction over Jack Warner once he resigned. They can go thru the motions and investigate but without having him there cooperating by answering questions it will be a waste of time. Even if they DO investigate him and find him guilty of an ethical violation... what is the end result... banning him after he's already resigned? You're now claiming that this took place "in a public forum"... since when is a private meeting at a private hotel, by private parties equal a "public forum"? You and others are on a mission to get Jack by any means necessary, no matter how you back away from it. If that means a waste of public resources by Gibbs, or a waste of private resources by FIFA it doesn't matter to you... as long as they investigate.
Aye welcome back Coop's!! ;DThanks for welcoming me back with open arms,you makeing me :rotfl: you know the Coops don't hide from nobody,i have nothing to hide,i must say i missed you all because my days away was never the same,i know i have a lot of catching up to do but i'm not worried,i like how my boy Bakes explaining things,is just that there are peeps who still think regardless of what Jack must be wiped off the face of the earth,again i understand everybody's feelings on the various issues,don't be agaisnt me because of my views.
I was genuinely worried!! :whew:
Btw Coop's didn't I tell you that the longest rope has an end?!
But don't worry we are not quite at the end just yet, I want to see if you are correct about those TTFF 2006 World Cup accounts never being show and if your boy is prepared to interfere with the affairs of the TTFF for FIFA to have a reason to re-open bribery investigations!! 8)
Ah man here already say if JW only look at a football, he tellin'! >:(
You need to read back some ah them sweet posts yuh miss since yuh been hiding and waiting for Jack's tsunami! ;)
Aye welcome back Coop's!! ;DThanks for welcoming me back with open arms,you makeing me :rotfl: you know the Coops don't hide from nobody,i have nothing to hide,i must say i missed you all because my days away was never the same,i know i have a lot of catching up to do but i'm not worried,i like how my boy Bakes explaining things,is just that there are peeps who still think regardless of what Jack must be wiped off the face of the earth,again i understand everybody's feelings on the various issues,don't be agaisnt me because of my views.
I was genuinely worried!! :whew:
Btw Coop's didn't I tell you that the longest rope has an end?!
But don't worry we are not quite at the end just yet, I want to see if you are correct about those TTFF 2006 World Cup accounts never being show and if your boy is prepared to interfere with the affairs of the TTFF for FIFA to have a reason to re-open bribery investigations!! 8)
Ah man here already say if JW only look at a football, he tellin'! >:(
You need to read back some ah them sweet posts yuh miss since yuh been hiding and waiting for Jack's tsunami! ;)
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Martyn Ziegler
WARNER RESIGNATION 'SAME RESULT AS A BAN' - ETHICS COMMITTEE MEMBER
By Martyn Ziegler, Chief Reporter, Press Association Sport
One of the members of FIFA's ethics committee insists the consequences for Jack Warner are the same as if he had been convicted of corruption - that he is out of football.
A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association yesterday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, was "an accessory to corruption".
There was anger after FIFA then dropped the bribery investigation against him and said the 68-year-old is "presumed innocent" but Sondre Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban.
Kaafjord, one of the five-man panel who provisionally suspended Warner and fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam on bribery charges last month, told Press Association Sport: "The result is the same as if he had been banned by us - he's out of football. If we had sentenced him or banned him the result would have been just the same.
"If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be re-opened immediately."
Kaafjord, who until last year was the president of the Norway Football Federation, said FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quit - but confirmed the ethics committee's report's conclusions and said the Trinidadian had agreed to be a witness in the on-going case against Bin Hammam.
Both Bin Hammam and Warner have consistently denied any wrongdoing.
Kaafjord added: "We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days. It means that there was a probability that he was guilty.
"But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent. That is a basic principle of law.
"We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law - if he is not any more a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.
"But the investigation will continue because Mr Bin Hammam is part of the same case and Mr Warner has said he will be a witness in the Bin Hammam case."
The ethics committee report says there is compelling evidence that Bin Hammam paid money to delegates of the Caribbean Football Union while he was campaigning for the FIFA presidency, and that Warner facilitated these payments.
Kaafjord added: "The question is about what happened in Trinidad on May 10 and 11, what was going on there. They were accused of having giving envelopes with dollars to participants."
He also confirmed that any officials who received the cash gifts - of 40,000 US dollars per association, according to the report - could also face disciplinary action.
Now you confusing me. At what time you talking about? I was talking about his recent suspension and resignation in a follow up to your question about why suspend him and then he resigns... You seem to be confusing that with your previous Simpauls question which I was not dealing with.Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
That situation was as different as night and day. Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position. Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court. Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack. It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
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Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Still don't make sense, because at the time I believe that JW was not "part of Simpauls" if I remember correctly. His son and wife(?) Maureen was name to the Simpaul company. Therefore, technically JW had nothing to do with that, solidfied by FIFA charging the son and not Warner.
Now you confusing me. At what time you talking about? I was talking about his recent suspension and resignation in a follow up to your question about why suspend him and then he resigns... You seem to be confusing that with your previous Simpauls question which I was not dealing with.Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot. :bs:
That situation was as different as night and day. Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position. Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court. Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack. It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
??? ???
Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Still don't make sense, because at the time I believe that JW was not "part of Simpauls" if I remember correctly. His son and wife(?) Maureen was name to the Simpaul company. Therefore, technically JW had nothing to do with that, solidfied by FIFA charging the son and not Warner.
That situation was as different as night and day. Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position. Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court. Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack. It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
Ok, cool, thought you were dealing with both of them together as Bakes said they are not related to each other.
Warner: My new role is problems of T&T.
By: Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian).
A better heading would have been:
Warner: My new role is problems of T&T prisions.
:devil:
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).
Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.
Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.
A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).
But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.
If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation, told the Press Association that FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quitbut confirmed the Ethics Committees reports conclusions and said Warner had agreed to be a witness in the ongoing case against bin Hammam. Meanwhile, Qatari bin Hamman insists theres no wrongdoing on his part despite the report stating there is overwhelming evidence that he used bribery in his presidential campaign.
With Warners ressignation from FIFA, only bin Hammam stands accused of paying money to delegates of the CFU in exchange for votes at the Fifa presidential election on June 1. The Qatari pulled out of the running for presidency once the allegations of bribery emerged, leaving Sepp Blatter to run and be re-elected, unopposed, for a fourth term. Bin Hammam, 62, will face Fifa Ethics Committe.
The allegations arose after bin Hammam entertained members of the CFU on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad, during his failed Fifa presidential bid. The report says there is compelling evidence that bin Hammam paid money to CFU delegates and that Warner facilitated these payments. Both Warner and bin Hammam were provisionally suspended on May 29.
We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days...It means that there was a probability that he was guilty, said Kaafjord. Kaafjord claims Warner had no choice but to quit football as he would have been thrown out of the game for his part in the bribery scandal at FIFA.
But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent...That is a basic principle of law, he said. We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law if he is not a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.
But the investigation will continue because bin Hammam is part of the same case and Warner has said he will be a witness in the bin Hammam case. On Monday, Warner stunned the football fraternity by resigning from his Fifa position, as president of the Caribbean Football Union and as president of Concacaf.
As a result, he was cleared of all bribery allegations and left FIFA presumed innocent. However, Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban. Warner had said his resignation from his football posts would allow him to focus on his duties as T&Ts Works and Transport Minister.
On Wednesday, Warner pointed out that after his self-determined resignation, FIFA discontinued its Ethics Committee procedure with the presumption of maintained innocence.
It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who are not only pathologically mendacious, but in the face of FIFAs stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no length to destroy my legacy and destabilise the Caribbean region whose interests I have always vigorously advocated, he stated.
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).
Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.
Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.
A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).
But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.
If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation, told the Press Association that FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quitbut confirmed the Ethics Committees reports conclusions and said Warner had agreed to be a witness in the ongoing case against bin Hammam. Meanwhile, Qatari bin Hamman insists theres no wrongdoing on his part despite the report stating there is overwhelming evidence that he used bribery in his presidential campaign.
With Warners ressignation from FIFA, only bin Hammam stands accused of paying money to delegates of the CFU in exchange for votes at the Fifa presidential election on June 1. The Qatari pulled out of the running for presidency once the allegations of bribery emerged, leaving Sepp Blatter to run and be re-elected, unopposed, for a fourth term. Bin Hammam, 62, will face Fifa Ethics Committe.
The allegations arose after bin Hammam entertained members of the CFU on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad, during his failed Fifa presidential bid. The report says there is compelling evidence that bin Hammam paid money to CFU delegates and that Warner facilitated these payments. Both Warner and bin Hammam were provisionally suspended on May 29.
We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days...It means that there was a probability that he was guilty, said Kaafjord. Kaafjord claims Warner had no choice but to quit football as he would have been thrown out of the game for his part in the bribery scandal at FIFA.
But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent...That is a basic principle of law, he said. We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law if he is not a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.
But the investigation will continue because bin Hammam is part of the same case and Warner has said he will be a witness in the bin Hammam case. On Monday, Warner stunned the football fraternity by resigning from his Fifa position, as president of the Caribbean Football Union and as president of Concacaf.
As a result, he was cleared of all bribery allegations and left FIFA presumed innocent. However, Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban. Warner had said his resignation from his football posts would allow him to focus on his duties as T&Ts Works and Transport Minister.
On Wednesday, Warner pointed out that after his self-determined resignation, FIFA discontinued its Ethics Committee procedure with the presumption of maintained innocence.
It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who are not only pathologically mendacious, but in the face of FIFAs stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no length to destroy my legacy and destabilise the Caribbean region whose interests I have always vigorously advocated, he stated.
oh dear,what's de next move from the cabinet minister
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).
Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.
Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.
A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).
But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.
If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation ...
FIFA Power Broker Is Out After Years of Whispers.
By JER LONGMAN and DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: June 20, 2011
NY Times.
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Jack Warner commands headlines nearly every day in this Caribbean nation, known simply by his first name in his highly visible if conflicting roles as energetic public servant and now disgraced soccer power broker.
As a member of Trinidad and Tobagos Parliament and its minister of works and transport, Warner appears ubiquitous, holding news conferences, hugging children and cutting ribbons at road openings, promising warehouse workers that they will soon have proper toilet facilities and dressing rooms. One recent poll named Warner the countrys most popular minister. At times, he has served as the acting prime minister. Some believe he would like the position full time.
For nearly three decades, Warner, 68, has also been a powerful but polarizing figure in regional and international soccer circles. On Monday, he resigned his positions as the vice president of FIFA, soccers world governing body, and as the president of soccers North American, Central American and Caribbean region, known as Concacaf.
He had been accused in a bribery scheme involving as much as $1 million and had been suspended from all soccer activities, charged with trying to manipulate FIFAs presidential election June 1. His critics have long contended that Warner epitomized FIFAs lack of accountability and transparency, reflected its outsized sense of entitlement, used soccer to enrich himself and his family and retaliated against those who opposed him.
He had endured a number of scandals through the years before stepping down Monday. He declined repeated requests for interviews in recent days and did not respond to questions submitted via e-mail. He continued to deny any wrongdoing in a statement Monday, saying he believed, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.
What apparently forced Warners hand was a preliminary investigation by FIFAs ethics committee that was pretty damning, said a high-ranking regional soccer official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. Maybe he realized there was no way out.
FIFA said Monday it had closed its ethics inquiry, which was conducted by the investigative agency of the former F.B.I. director Louis Freeh. FIFA also said that the presumption of innocence was maintained. The announcement brought widespread accusations that FIFA was trying to smother further revelations of wrongdoing as it faces tremendous international pressure to repair its tattered image.
This shows that FIFA cant be trusted to run their own investigation, said Damian Collins, a member of Britains Parliament who has been investigating FIFA corruption. This demonstrates that they have totally failed. This means we will never know the truth about what happened.
The bribery allegations have also affected Warners political career. Under pressure from opposition leaders in Parliament, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has requested information from FIFA regarding the allegations. Opposition leaders have demanded an investigation to determine if the money used for reported bribe attempts came from outside the country and whether any customs laws were violated.
There is no middle ground; you are either for Mr. Warner or against Mr. Warner, said Brian Lewis, the honorary secretary general of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee. His constituents think he is the best M.P. in history. His capacity for work is legendary. Hes known for giving to charity and insisting it not be publicized. Hes done a lot for football. Some others say: Big criminals do the same thing. Hes getting his just desserts. Hes a scam, a fraud, always has been.
The bribery allegations stemmed from a meeting here on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. The election for president of FIFA was three weeks away. Sepp Blatter, a Swiss, was running for a fourth term. His opponent was Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar, the president of soccers Asian confederation, who had come here to pitch his candidacy to soccer officials from 25 Caribbean countries.
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As the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body, Warner controlled 35 of the 208 votes that would be made for FIFAs presidency. He had announced that Concacaf would vote as a bloc (although the United States said it would vote independently).
Mr. Blatter always knew that Warner was an embarrassment, but he had 35 votes, said John McBeth, a former president of the Scotland soccer federation who accused Warner of once asking him to write a $75,000 check directly to Warner as payment for an exhibition match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.
At the Hyatt meeting in May, however, Warner was not accused of asking for money. Instead, he was charged with offering $40,000 to Caribbean officials on behalf of Bin Hammam with the understanding that they would vote for Bin Hammam over Blatter. It is not known if the same offer was made to each Caribbean official. Some, though, became uncomfortable with the offer of money. According to FIFAs ethics rules, accepting gifts of cash in any amount or form is prohibited.
One those who grew concerned was Fred Lunn, the vice president of the Bahamas soccer federation, according to two regional soccer officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the bribery investigation. Lunn filed an affidavit describing the incident, the officials said. Details of the affidavit were first reported by The Telegraph and The Daily Mail newspapers of London.
According to the affidavit, Lunn was handed an envelope in a conference room at the Hyatt on May 10. Upon opening it, he found $40,000 inside. He contacted Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas soccer federation, who told him that under no circumstances was he to keep the money. Lunn photographed the stacks of $100 bills and returned the cash.
The next day, May 11, Warner told the Caribbean officials the gift had come from Bin Hammam and could be used at their discretion, Lunn said in the affidavit.
An Investigation Begins
Chuck Blazer, an American who sits on FIFAs executive committee and is Concacafs general secretary, was informed about the cash offers. For two decades, Blazer and Warner had been close allies. They had grown Concacaf from a nearly insolvent regional governing body to one with a yearly income averaging $40 million and headquarters in Trump Tower in New York. Now, the partnership fractured.
An investigation ensued at Blazers request. Bin Hammam dropped his candidacy for FIFAs presidency, and he and Warner were suspended from all soccer activities. On June 1, Blatter was re-elected unopposed.
Blazer declined to speak for this article. In a brief interview last month, he said that to his knowledge, no one had paid for a vote in his 21 years as a high-ranking Concacaf official.
Warners resignation was a precipitous fall for the regions most powerful soccer figure, one who rose from a poor boyhood to help orchestrate Trinidad and Tobagos only appearance in the World Cup in 2006, making it the smallest nation (population 1.3 million) to qualify for the worlds most popular sporting event.
Trinidad and Tobagos prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, a political ally of Warners, has stood by him, calling him a son of the soil. And he remains extremely popular in his political district, Chaguanas West, where Warner is celebrated for opening his office at dawn and helping the poor, sometimes out of his own pocket from a fortune built on travel, security, hotels and other businesses. Some of his constituents have complained that Warner was being persecuted by a Eurocentric organization because he was black, a notion he has not disavowed.
He has a reputation as a doer, helping the dispossessed, said Rita Pemberton, who is the head of the history department at the University of the West Indies in St. Augustine, Trinidad. He has made the front pages of the newspapers, helping this one and that one people whose houses were falling or dilapidated and adopting children, the kinds of things that win you support at the ground level.
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Yet, Warners soccer achievements have frequently been tempered by accusations that he has flouted FIFAs rules of ethical behavior. At a British parliamentary hearing in May, David Triesman, who formerly headed Englands unsuccessful bid to host the 2018 World Cup, said that Warner had asked for $4 million to build an education center in Trinidad and $800,000 to purchase television rights to show the 2010 World Cup in earthquake-torn Haiti.
An independent investigation said it could not substantiate that Warner asked for the money for the education center to be funneled through him. The investigation also said that Triesman later learned that Warner already owned the World Cup television rights for Haiti. Blatter cleared Warner of wrongdoing.
While Australia bid for the 2022 World Cup it was eventually awarded to Qatar last December bidders spent lavishly on Warner, said Bonita Mersiades, a former head of corporate and public affairs for the Australian soccer federation. Only the 24 members of FIFAs executive committee would vote on the World Cup bid, so each vote was considered critical. It was believed that Warner might also be able to influence Africas four votes on the executive committee.
Mersiades said that the Australian bid team spent $2,500 in 2009 on a single-drop pearl necklace for Warners wife, Maureen, that appeared to be above the allowance permitted by FIFA. (Other wives of FIFA executive committee members previously received similar pearl jewelry). Bidders also spent $250,000 to $300,000 to pay for an under-20 youth national soccer team from Trinidad and Tobago to play a 2009 tournament in Cyprus, Mersiades said. She said she understood that the money was paid through a travel agency that lists Warner and his family as directors.
Kevin Rudd, then Australias prime minister, was also dispatched to visit Warner in Trinidad during the bid, Mersiades said. Rudd was prepared to bring Warner an expensive bottle of wine, she said, but was warned by an Australian bid official with close ties to Warner that this was considered a disgrace and that a case of wine would be a more sufficient gift.
One would think that Jack Warner was more important than our prime minister, Mersiades said. She said she was fired from the Australian soccer federation in 2010 after complaining about the way its World Cup bid was operating and treating Warner.
He is like a politician who is not particularly interested in connecting with people, she said. He saw himself as more important than anyone, including an ambassador hosting an event.
FIFA said last year that it was investigating whether the pearls violated its World Cup bidding guidelines that gifts should be of symbolic or incidental value. The outcome of the inquiry was not clear. In 2009, Warner returned a $400 handbag given to his wife by Englands 2018 World Cup bid team, saying that news media comments about the gift had resulted in the tainting of her character and mine.
His relationship with soccer in Trinidad and Tobago often has been contentious since Nov. 19, 1989, when the island nation faced the United States in an important qualifying match for the 1990 World Cup. All Trinidad and Tobago needed was a draw to qualify, but the United States won, 1-0, reaching the World Cup for the first time in 40 years.
Defeat was compounded locally by the discovery that Warner, as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation, had oversold the permitted allotment of 28,500 tickets at Hasley Crawford Stadium. Nearly 35,000 people crammed into the stadium and thousands could not get in, creating a situation in which the aisles were packed and some people fainted.
Gally Cummings, who coached Trinidad and Tobago in that 1989 match, said that Warner asked him to say publicly that the game was not oversold. Cummings said that he declined The place was packed like sardines; if we had had an emergency, a lot of people would have died and that in retaliation, Warner had him fired and has since prevented him from getting a number of professional coaching jobs in the Caribbean.
Last year, Cummings filed a grievance against Warner with the Equal Opportunity Commission, alleging discrimination, but said the case appeared to be going nowhere.
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He selects players, coaches, administration, Cummings, who now coaches at the University of Trinidad and Tobago, said. Once youre in opposition, its over for you.
After the ticket incident, Warner resigned his position as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation; in 1990, he became the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body. Until Monday, he was officially a special adviser to the Trinidad federation, though Warner was widely considered to have remained in charge.
Disagreements Over Pay
For the last five years, the Trinidad federation and Warner have been in a legal tangle with a group of players over bonuses owed from their appearance in the 2006 World Cup.
The players said that Warner agreed to pay them 50 percent of the commercial revenue that the Trinidad federation earned from the countrys appearance in soccers global championship. Afterward, the players said they were offered only $600 apiece. The case went to arbitration and ended up in Trinidad and Tobagos High Court, where the players won. Last month, a preliminary payment of $1.1 million was made to be split among 13 players (others had previously settled).
Another hearing on the case is set for Tuesday. The players contend they are owed at least $3 million more and have asked to see the federations financial books, so far unsuccessfully.
There has never been any sort of accountability and transparency as far as the revenues the football federation brings in; no one has any real idea, said Shaka Hislop, a former goalkeeper who has led the players case. Its absolutely farcical that it has gone on for so long.
The 2006 World Cup also brought another embarrassing moment for Warner. A series of articles in The Express newspaper of Trinidad and The Daily Mail of London revealed that Simpaul Travel, a travel agency owned by the Warner family, controlled World Cup tickets in Trinidad and offered them for sale at an extensive markup in travel packages, while also selling travel packages at inflated prices to matches involving England, Mexico and Japan.
Private minutes of a December 2006 meeting of FIFAs executive committee indicate that a son of Warners, Daryan Warner, was fined about $1 million, only $250,000 of which had been repaid, for his role in the ticketing operation. Details of the fine were first reported in Foul: The Secret World of FIFA by the British investigative journalist Andrew Jennings. It is not known if the remainder of the fine was repaid or forgiven.
Nor is it likely to be known after Warners resignation the full extent of what he did to try to influence the outcome of FIFAs recent presidential election.
FIFA must continue to investigate allegations against Warner, said Oliver Fowler, a co-founder of ChangeFIFA, a reform group. To stop only raises more awkward questions and doubts.
Jer Longman reported from Port of Spain, Trinidad, and Doreen Carvajal from Paris.
the truth is , after watching this man for five yrs (thanx to the SWO) i have arrived @ the conclusion that this fella is the quintessential dunce.
i actually believed this man knew what he was doing, from blacklisting the players to bribing the CFU members, when in reality the fella didn't have a single solitary clue!
When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidadmoney laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 yearsthe flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.
Roberts to resign if Warner found guiltyThese people running our Gov't boy? Embarrassing
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
Warner walks the plank But is FIFA any cleaner for it?
By Lasana Liburd (playthegame).
Former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner is gone for good from the corridors of football power in Zurich, Switzerland. His former deputy, CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer, now calls the shots in the most populous confederation of the western hemisphere.
And Sepp Blatter remains FIFA Presidenta position he held since June 1998. There is a fourth figure involved and he is the suspended Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam.
Ostensibly, the 62-year-old Bin Hammam should be the key to this disgraceful scenario. It was his trip to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, via private jet on May 10two days after his birthdaythat sparked one of FIFA's worse scandals.
The Qatari millionaire stunned the football world by masterminding an unlikely success for his homeland, Qatar, as they beat United States, South Korea, Japan and Australia for the right to host the 2022 World Cup in a campaign that climaxed on December 2, 2010. A month later, he was re-elected unopposed as AFC President and, in March, turned his attention and considerable resources to the FIFA throne.
Bin Hammam supported Blatter in his 1998 and 2002 presidential campaigns although relations between the pair seemed strained at one point. The FIFA President supposedly backed Bahrain's Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa's attempt to unseat the Qatari from the FIFA Executive Committee in 2009. Bin Hammam won by just two votes.
Still, last August, as the World Cup bid campaign entered its final lap, Bin Hammam vowed not to challenge his "very good friend" for the top FIFA post.
"I will be backing him to remain in office for a new mandate," said Bin Hammam.
But, buoyed by his increased profile within the "FIFA family", he was not true to his word. His subsequent demise, just two months later, was as sudden as it was brutal.
The Qatari, according to sworn affidavits from at least four Caribbean administrators, turned up with a suitcase full of cashestimates suggest as much as US$1 millionwith the intention of buying votes for the presidential election. FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke, in an earlier email to Warner, suggested that Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup and spoke in disparaging terms about his new campaign.
And he was indeed found to be out of his depth. Formally charged by the FIFA's Ethics Committee for bribery, he withdrew his candidacy, a week before the elections, and Blatter was returned unopposed.
The next Ethics Committee meeting, which will study the report provided by ex-FBI Director Louis Freeh in late June or early July, should provide closure to the bribery case and the evidence appears damning.
But there are two stories herenot just the one. And, in the second, the ambitious Qatari was a helpless pawn.
The sideshow
When Warner, a Trinidad and Tobago MP, announced that his homeland would host Bin Hammam and afford him the chance to woo the Caribbean Football Union (CFU); anyone with a passing knowledge of football politics might have expected lavish gifts. Blazer, like the rest of North and Central America, was not invited.
Earlier that month, Bin Hammam did not turn up for the CONCACAF congress where Blatter made a timely presentation of developmental money for the Confederation. Warner, who is usually a vocal supporter of the President, declined to endorse the 75-year-old Swiss until he had heard from Bin Hammam.
But his subsequent meeting with the Qatari at the Port of Spain's Hyatt Hotel was a scandal and, six weeks later, continues to earn front and back page headlines.
So what went wrong?
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.
Bin Hammam initially scoffed at the bribery charge as a political "tactic" while Warner insisted he was "hung out to dry" and a victim of his accusers' "hypocrisy". Representatives from Grenada, Barbados, Antigua, Jamaica and Dominica declared that they were not "bribed".
On the other hand, Bahamas Football Association (BFA) Vice-President Fred Lunn claimed he was offered US$40,000 in cash at the Hyatt. CFU official Jason Sylvester offered the envelope on Bin Hammam's behalf. Lunn was not sure what he should do. So he took the money to his hotel room, arranged it into neat piles, took photographs and consulted with BFA President Anton Sealy, by telephone, before returning the cash.
Sealy, who claimed to be outraged, did not call his Caribbean counterpart, Warner, to complain. Instead, he phoned Warner's employee and friend, Blazer.
Blazer said he was "stunned" that Warner would risk CONCACAF's reputation with such tawdry behaviour. So, he had attorney John Collins investigate and then passed on the findings to FIFA General Secretary, Valcke.
Blatter claimed to have no knowledge of Blazer's investigation, which obviously boosted his chances of retaining his post, until the information reached FIFA's headquarters. Warner, Bin Hammam, Sylvester along with CFU official Debbie Minguell were charged.
Bin Hammam, intriguingly, countered that Warner informed Blatter beforehand that there would be cash payments so the President was also in breach of FIFA's moral code by failing to report this to the Ethics Committee.
Blatter admitted Warner told him about the agenda but said he advised him that it was "a bad idea" and did not know that the money was subsequently distributed. Warner denied that conversation ever happened.
So who is lying?
Perhaps, everybody is.
Most honest people offered unlawful money instinctively raise their palms towards the offending party and attempt a swift exit. They do not sign for the money and take it into a quiet corner to practise their photography. Not unless they are informants anyway.
Should old acquaintance be forgot?
Blazer is supposedly Warner's close aide and, as it turned out, Warner continued to feel that way until the super-sized American drew a dagger.
In Warner's second biography, penned just five years ago, Blazer declared that the Trinidadian was the best man for the role of FIFA President. Warner was investigated, in 1990, for turning Trinidad's National Stadium into a death trap by selling over 35,000 tickets for a ground meant to hold 23,000 for a crucial World Cup qualifier in 1989. At the same time as this public inquiry, Blazer was teaming up with Warner to run for CONCACAF General Secretary and President respectively and he stood by his side as the allegations of corruption, some proven, flowed over the years.
So why would Sealy telephone Blazer?
No Caribbean official ever challenged Warner without being swiftly chucked out of football. The actions of Sealy and Lunn would appear more logical if Blazer promised them protection beforehand.
But Blazer did not have the clout to provide such an assurance at the time. Warner had survived several trips to the Executive Committee before and returned unscathed. The American would need to believe that this charge would yield a different outcome.
Blatter, by his own admission, knew in advance that Warner and Bin Hammam were considering throwing bundles of cash around. And Blazer was best placed to find out if it actually happened. So were both men being honest when they denied a secret pact took place?
And the Caribbean delegates who tell a different story of the Port of Spain meeting?
You say "tomato", I say "tomatoe"; you say "bribe", I say "gift". Was it just wordplay?
When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidadmoney laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 yearsthe flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.
He had previously sneered that "Blatter must be stopped" and threatened to hit FIFA with a "tsunami". In the end, though, he declared that Blatter was still a "friend" and meekly slid away with a pension estimated to be worth as much as 23,000 per year while FIFA closed their investigation into him.
The unanswered question, not found in the affidavits or leaks, is "why". Why did Blazer and Blatter turn their backs on Warner after a political relationship that spanned 21 years without a hint of discord?
But no mystery worth its salt fails to leave the odd, tantalising question as the credits roll.
Dominican FA President Patrick John claimed, in a radio interview, that Blazer was unhappy that Warner voted for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup while the Trinidadian himself suggested that Blazer felt he "should have done more" to help the USA bid.
The World Cup bid is done by secret ballot so was John guessing which way Warner voted? Or did the former CONCACAF President confide in him?
Sealy was overlooked for a place on the CFU Executive Committee this year with Guyanese official, Colin Klass, promoted instead. Did the Bahamian feel that a change at the top would better his own career outlook?
Blazer acted unconstitutionally by trying to insert Honduran Alfredo Hawitt as acting CONCACAF President, above Barbadian Lisle Austin, within hours of Warner's suspension. Austin forced his way into the chair but then publicly announced his intention to audit the Confederation and was immediately suspended by CONCACAF and FIFA.
Austin won a court injunction against his suspension in Bahamas, where CONCACAF is registered, but FIFA ignored it and threatened further discipline for getting the courts involved.
Same old FIFA
Was Blazer seeking more control all along and was there anything in CONCACAF's accounting books that might spell trouble for him and FIFA?
And was Blatter really innocent of the sting at the Hyatt? If not, was his motive to eliminate a challenger or to punish treachery? Or was Blatter, in his last term as FIFA President, merely disposing of a political ally that he no longer needed and whose brass had needlessly increased the vitriol directed at the organisation?
The stream of information leaked to the media suggests an open and shut bribery case that is nearing an inevitable conclusion.
Jack Warner, allegedly a latter-day "Pirate of the Caribbean", was made to walk the plank. But his demise was anything but a simple affair and had precious little to do with morality.
Meet the new FIFA, same as the old one.
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
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Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
Now over to Bakes! ;)
Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!
Now over to Bakes! ;)
Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!
I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert. At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier.
Now over to Bakes! ;)
Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!
I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert. At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier.
What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
Okay right! And the earth is flat! ;D
Nah Bakes..........
Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out? Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing. You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens. So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you? Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.
Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis? Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT? There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation. Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start? On what basis? Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts. If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash." Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?
The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority. A letter of request from T&Ts Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.
When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammams $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.
It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information, states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10. In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didnt come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T, a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warners resignation and his leaving FIFA presumed innocent.
Bakes yuh twisting it, the argument started out about getting JW, but quickly went into can they investigate or not leaving out the part about convicting or locking him up. Since then the entire thread has been about whether they can investigate or not to see IF any wrong doing occured.
Bakes yuh twisting it, the argument started out about getting JW, but quickly went into can they investigate or not leaving out the part about convicting or locking him up. Since then the entire thread has been about whether they can investigate or not to see IF any wrong doing occured.
You's ah imps or what? Did I ever say they cannot investigate? I said it was not a priority in light of everything Trinidad have to deal with. FS and others then start arguing about how they must investigate. Everything else I pointed out was about the difficulty in pursuing any investigation... especially one that would yield fruit. How I "twisting it"... yuh can't f**king comprehend or what?
What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
Okay right! And the earth is flat! ;DNah Bakes..........
First of all Socapro... how you go even try an clown me and you don't even understand what the f**k it is yuh reading? Or is it that yuh didn't understand the conversation between FS and I? And Elan you self bawling "I knew you could do that." Do what... use the FIU to get into his banking records? You realize that the FIU laws is Trinidad version of the Anti-Money Laundering (aka AML) laws FS and I was talking about earlier, right? Apparently not.
Now try and follow along... Socapro I know you really need crayons, but pretty colors is the best ah could do:
(From the Bin Hammam thread...)Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out? Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing. You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens. So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you? Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.
Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis? Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT? There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation. Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start? On what basis? Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts. If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash." Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?
Now from the "expert":QuoteThe T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority. A letter of request from T&Ts Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.
Me: Gibbs could ask the foreign police/governments to interview the CFU officials, but good luck getting anybody to make that a priority.
Expert: The Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act allows Ramlogan to send a request to the Central Authority in another Commonwealth Country and request assistance in the investigation.
Analysis: Aside from me saying Gibbs and the expert saying "Ramlogan or Gibbs"... the only difference is that the "a legal source" (not sure if is the same "expert") making it seem like they could just walk into St. Lucia and start asking FA president Patrick Mathurin questions (This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesnt have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive, a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian."), an assertion which is grossly misleading if not flat out wrong.
Now as to Jack's finances:QuoteWhen it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammams $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.
It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information, states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10. In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didnt come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T, a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warners resignation and his leaving FIFA presumed innocent.
Me: (see the red highlighted part of my comments at the top) Police can't just go looking into Jack's private financial affairs unless they suspect him of committing a crime. AML laws specifically target "irregular or suspicious financial transactions" which the banks are obligated to report.
Expert: FIU Director can send a request to get Jack Warner's bank records prior to May 10.
Analysis: FIU laws and AML laws are the same thing, but don't take my word for it, look up "Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011" and look at the AML laws link I posted in the Bin Hammam thread (or look it up online) and see fuh allyuh self. The difference is that I say they must suspect him of being involved in criminal activity, and specifically, that he used the banks services as part of the criminal scheme. This "expert" seems to say that even without suspicion the FIU Director could just ketch ah vaps and send a request to the bank/s. I stand by my disagreement with that interpretation because that is not what the law says.
Furthermore I even conceded that even if they were able to get his banking records all it would show is whether the money was withdrawn from his account in TnT. If it doesn't show that then they could say the money was brought in thru Customs... but then they wouldn't know that he was the one (as opposed to Bin Hammam or one of his people) who brought the money thru Customs. The Guardian "understands" all kinda misleading conclusions that they draw on their own separate to what was explained to them. Show me anywhere in that article where the expert says they can go into non-Commonwealth countries (the Guardian says it, not this "expert") or where s/he says "There are laws to get goods on Warner" himself... as opposed to finding out how the money was brought into TnT.
CAPTION THIS... - Jack and Jill ?.... :devil:
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FIFA tells Gibbs wait till bribery probe ends
By NALINEE SEELAL (Newsday).
Thursday, June 30 2011
Eighteen days after writing an official letter to international football body FIFA seeking information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of US currency entered Trinidad and Tobago (TT) sometime in May, Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday received a response to his letter.
Newsday understands that in an email response to Gibbs, FIFA stated it could not reveal any information on the allegations because FIFAs Ethics Committee was still in the process of receiving key information and it could not prejudice the probe by revealing any details.
According to the letter, FIFA claimed it was bound by certain laws which has to be adhered to, and pending the outcome of the probe, which is centred around former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, FIFA may consider sending information to the TT Police Service.
FIFA is probing bribery allegations against bin Hammam, the suspended Asian Football Confederation president, stemming from a meeting of Caribbean Football Union officials at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain last May. The claims are bribes were paid for CFU votes for his candidacy for FIFA president, which he withdrew from when suspended, which cleared the way for Sepp Blatter to be re-elected unopposed.
Works Minister Jack Warner had been suspended as FIFA vice-president over the claims pending an investigation but resigned from international football earlier this month, which led FIFA to declare that he was no longer the subject of any investigation, adding Warner was presumed to be innocent.
Attempts by Newsday to reach Gibbs proved unsuccessful yesterday, since he was reported to be in several meetings.
However, sources revealed Gibbs has taken a decision to await further information from FIFA before making public statements on whether officers will be mandated to carry out a probe on the allegations.
Senior officers of the TT Customs and Excise Division also confirmed that no probe into the FIFA allegations is taking place at this time.
Gibbs sent FIFA a letter on June 12, following a call by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US currency were brought into the country in relation to the bribery claims.
Earlier this month, the Police Service said Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into the bribery allegations and indicated FIFA would be written about whether it had information on any alleged illegal activity in this country.
I await Anand Ramlogan has to say now ...If u plan 2 hold yuh breath make sure yuh insurance paid up so dat yuh beneficiary will benefit because yuh go dead waitin.
CAPTION THIS... - Jack and Jill ?.... :devil:
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:rotfl:I await Anand Ramlogan has to say now ...If u plan 2 hold yuh breath make sure yuh insurance paid up so dat yuh beneficiary will benefit because yuh go dead waitin.
Remember Warriors:
1. Take them to de cleaners.
2. Focus on Scamps and Rodent for de trail of the lost money and absence of TTF acounts.
3. Doh study Jackulito and de robbertalk.
4. When Scamps stutters "Yuh honour we eh have no money ... an' an' an' I eh know whey it went sah", force the TTFF to take a massive hit, that they must take out a megaloan to pay as the judge orders.
5. Let Scamps be forced to resign as KLL and the others mutiny and try to protect their jobs and the treasured gravy train.
6. With Scamps gone, a whole wave of events will be triggered as people will feel safer to talk.
Don't settle fuh peanuts if Jaclkula tries again to do some behind de scenes divide and conquer.
"force the TTFF to take a massive hit, that they must take out a megaloan to pay as the judge orders."
Problem with that is the next evoloution of TTFF will inherit a debt and this will stifle football in T&T.
What should happen (and I'm waiting for Bakes to correct me on my legal understanding!) is that once the cupboard is bare,(i.e. TTFF are forced to declare bankruptcy) an investigation into TTFF accounts should take place (on the grounds that certain known items such as 1 million swiss francs, which, I believe, was the FIFA qualification award is unaccounted for). Once any financial mis appropriation is discovered, Camps, as TTFF President, and Warner as the Chairman of 2006 LOC should be held responsible and their personal assets seized to pay the players whatever figure the judge deems fair.
Warner was ultimately responsible for all income and expenditure relating to 2006 as 2006 LOC was the appointed agent of TTFF. Camps is ultimately responsible because he should have been overseeing 2006 LOC affairs and ensured that suitable checks and balances were in place.
Camps & Warner may well blame other people such as Roden, but as I understand it, it is their ultimate responsibility as they were in such positions to ensure mis appropriation did not take place.
Ah coulda overlook de "Step Blatter" and de "Ben Hamman" if he wasn't talking so much shit otherwise. Jack responsible for Caribbean footballers having a chance to kick ball overseas? Dat's only half as dotish as the comparison to Madoff. America known for a lot of things, in the grand scheme of things the Bernie Madoff scandal pales by comparison... limited to affecting only the US, and the rich in the US at that. No one sees that as a reflection on "America". But what is Trinidad most known for right at this moment? The most corrupt man in all of corrupt FIFA being forced to resign in shame... and go back to his TnT Government job.
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No ??? #notsosure
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No ??? #notsosure
But then, if a good man is a whistle blower, he is disrespected and his motives are questioned!! Look how people here saying the countries who confirmed they received brown envelopes just did it as part of a US/Mexico conspiricy!!
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No ??? #notsosure
But then, if a good man is a whistle blower, he is disrespected and his motives are questioned!! Look how people here saying the countries who confirmed they received brown envelopes just did it as part of a US/Mexico conspiricy!!
Bakes, I agree there are no innocent parties in this sordid mess. However, I would disagree that the people who are chirping and finding the "courage" to speak out are doing so out of mere convenience. I would say fuel that has powered their whistleblowing is "opportunity". Never before has the opportunity existed to make a charge stick.
Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power. Once Blatter stated this would be his last term as FIFA president and World Cups for the next two cycles have been selected, Jack's leverage and ultimate power significantly diminished. People who have held numerous grievances against Jack have been lining up for years and now is their time to act.
The motivation of the whistleblowers should not indicate whether or not they are not "good". The "goodness" of the people is almost irrelevant.
In fact, the difference between "convenience" and "opportunity" is that one is based on self-service while the other one is not. The CFU countries that turned on Jack may or may not benefit from his fall. In many ways, they may end up as regional pariahs for years to come. However, they saw the opportunity to speak up without worrying Warner's influence would cause them to be hung out to dry by the people they entrusted. Whereas, it is convenient for the British press to go out of their way to destroy Jack because they felt personally aggrieved and want satisfaction.
No. Try to imagine that you could be wrong every once in a while and take this into consideration. The five CFU country representattives who blew the whistle seized upon the opportunity to stop Jack from continuing his errant ways EVEN THOUGH to do so may not have been convenient because their actions may come with a steep price to their own careers. Now, if I still haven't lost you; the English press acting on a purely self-serving level, find it convenient to initiate investigations against Jack because of his supposed role in the world cup fiasco.
So it is not about semantics, it's about context. Convenience and Opportunity are two distinct items. To make it CONVENIENT for you, check out dictionary.com then take the OPPORTUNITY to indicate that you aren't an obnoxious know it all.
Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power.
Ahh Bakes, you're off your meds again. The only red herring being offered is located in your absolutely stupid response.
You claim to have "never said" there is no difference between "convenience" and "opportunity" but then you go ahead and state there is "no substantive difference between what I termed "convenience" and what you(me) termed "opportunity".
You can compare my reading comprehension to a five year old all you want but you're just plain wrong on that piece of tata you wrote.
Your original statement seemed to say that those who have recently decided to speak out against Jack are less than virtuous and are only chirping because it is convenient to do so. I disagreed and said the opportunity to speak out and get results availed itself, whether it was convenient or not. Jack can still hurt a number of people through his influence. That is the gist of my argument and why I think your belief on their motives is misplaced. The terms we favor are not interchangeable nor is your viewpoint the same as mine. In fact, I didn't even state your initial viewpoint was wrong; I just disagreed. But you are wrong about there not being a (substantive) difference between opportunity and convenience. Since it seems beneath you to refer to the dictionary here are the two definitions. Please read once you've taken your head out of your ass.
A. opportunity
/ˌɒpərˈtunɪti, -ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled[op-er-too-ni-tee, -tyoo-] Show IPA
noun, plural -ties.
1.an appropriate or favorable time or occasion: Their meeting afforded an opportunity to exchange views.
2.a situation or condition favorable for attainment of a goal.
3.a good position, chance, or prospect, as for advancement or success.
B.convenience
/kənˈvinyəns/ Show Spelled[kuhn-veen-yuhns] Show IPA
noun
1.the quality of being convenient; suitability.
2.anything that saves or simplifies work, adds to one's ease or comfort, etc., as an appliance, utensil, or the like.
3.a convenient situation or time: at your convenience.
There is nothing convenient about whistleblowing on a very powerful figure who still has friends.
All that I need to say can be summarized by responding to this... there is nothing at all contradictory about what I said. I'll briefly reiterate, I never said the two terms mean the same thing... ignore the terms that we assigned to the motive (me "convenience", you "opportunity") and from a substance standpoint ("substantively") we are saying the same thing. Not that "convenience" and "opportunity" means the same. It's really not that difficult to understand... but understandably you're having problems with it. I appreciate you cutting and pasting from the dictionary though... apparently you needed the exercise.
Of course now, X amount of responses later we're no longer saying the same thing because you've changed your tune. Whereas before you said "Never before has the opportunity existed to make a charge stick....the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power." Not the opportunity to speak out... the opportunity to act and "make it stick" is what you said. If 'virtue' is what motivated them then whether the complaints bear fruit or not, the same way they aired the infractions now they could have aired them in the past. Now your tune change to "the opportunity to speak out and get results availed itself, whether it was convenient or not."
Call me obnoxious, stupid... call what I write "tata" all you want, the impotency of your words is evidently lost on you.
...Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power. Once Blatter stated this would be his last term as FIFA president and World Cups for the next two cycles have been selected, Jack's leverage and ultimate power significantly diminished. People who have held numerous grievances against Jack have been lining up for years and now is their time to act.
It seems ridiculous that I should even have to confront you with your own words, but...
Explain to me the difference between "convenience" as I have termed it, and "opportunity" as you have defined it? I think we can both agree that any difference is mere semantic rather than substantive.
If you any grasp of reading comprehension you'd note that I never said that there is no difference between "convenience" and "opportunity", but thanks for trying to explain
The focus on Jack's diminished power could mean one of two things... he was so powerful that he controlled their mouths with his psychic powers and prevented them from talking until now... or he was so powerful that they were afraid to talk out against him
Sounds like a contradiction doesn't it?
It can also mean those who stayed silent did so because they knew nothing would come about if anything was said and why bother. Once again, there are no innocent parties here but I think you had mistaken "opportunity" for "opportunistic" in your claim that we were saying the same thing.
Ciao.
Only to a simpleton... the use of quotes (these nuh --->""<----) should have clued you in to the fact that I was referring to the "as I have termed it" and the "as you define it" elements. Like everything else that went over yuh head.
Right and by your reckoning they affirmatively chose to not say anything before... not that anything was preventing them from saying anything. So it wasn't about "opportunity" after all.
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).
Sorry if i did not explin myself properly,i'm not into what going with Jack and Kamla and them,what i'm trying to show is what's going on in England write now,i guess you are not following or interested in that,is only T&T does have coruption,these things happen every where is just that we shame.The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).
Sorry Coops, how can you possibly blame this on the British PM and press? This is all about Kamlas insecurities and Jack not knowing how to manage up. Jack should realise that when you have a boss, its their vanity you place before your own. Same mistake Anil made that cost him the COP leadership.
Sorry if i did not explin myself properly,i'm not into what going with Jack and Kamla and them,what i'm trying to show is what's going on in England write now,i guess you are not following or interested in that,is only T&T does have coruption,these things happen every where is just that we shame.The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).
Sorry Coops, how can you possibly blame this on the British PM and press? This is all about Kamlas insecurities and Jack not knowing how to manage up. Jack should realise that when you have a boss, its their vanity you place before your own. Same mistake Anil made that cost him the COP leadership.
Jack Warner: I may return to FIFA
By: Richard Lord (Guardian).
Former vice president of FIFA, Jack Warner, says he has unfinished business with the world football governing body and he may return in due course. Warner, who is also the Works Minister of T&T, made the comment during an interview after a visit to a dredging exercise in Sea Lots, Port-of-Spain, yesterday.
Asked if he considered FIFA a closed chapter, Warner said: I will not say no because you can never tell what the future holds. There are some unfinished business which I will have to finish in both FIFA and CONCACAF at the appropriate time and who knows I may go back.
He was responding to a newspaper story which claimed he was warned by CONCACAF general secretary about certain matters relating to the infamous CONCACAF meeting at the Hyatt Regency in T&T several months ago. Allegations of bribery were subsequently made against Warner and others following that meeting. He said he was in FIFA for 30 years and the only expert on the FIFA in this country is me and in the fullness of time I will tell this country what FIFA is and what FIFA is not. He said citizens were free to say what they wanted about FIFA at this time. Let them talk, Warner added.
Jack is kicks oui...padnah piggyback on on rupert murdoch scandal while it still fresh
So that is what happen to the tsunami.....
Jack: My e-mail account was hacked
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack__My_e-mail_account_was_hacked-125867463.html
By Anna Ramdass
Government Minister Jack Warner has said his e-mail account has been hacked.
Warner, the Minister of Works and Infrastructure and former vice-president of FIFA, had used the e-mail address jawfifa@aol.com for a number of years.
In the heat of the FIFA controversy where he was embroiled in allegations of bribery, Warner changed his e-mail address to jackawr@aol.com.
Yesterday, an e-mail was circulated stating Warner had once again changed his e-mail address to dsurvivor2011@aol.com.
The Express asked Warner last night by phone why he changed his e-mail address so regularly.
He responded: "I can't get into my mails. After 15 years, my e-mails have been erased ... since this issue with FIFA someone hacked into my mail."
Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.
But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.
Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.
But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.
...AND THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT TO WHO AGAIN ?????
So that is what happen to the tsunami.....
Jack: My e-mail account was hacked
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack__My_e-mail_account_was_hacked-125867463.html
By Anna Ramdass
Government Minister Jack Warner has said his e-mail account has been hacked.
Warner, the Minister of Works and Infrastructure and former vice-president of FIFA, had used the e-mail address jawfifa@aol.com for a number of years.
In the heat of the FIFA controversy where he was embroiled in allegations of bribery, Warner changed his e-mail address to jackawr@aol.com.
Yesterday, an e-mail was circulated stating Warner had once again changed his e-mail address to dsurvivor2011@aol.com.
The Express asked Warner last night by phone why he changed his e-mail address so regularly.
He responded: "I can't get into my mails. After 15 years, my e-mails have been erased ... since this issue with FIFA someone hacked into my mail."
Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.
But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.
Kangaroo court justice at it's best. But part of it is their fault they shoulda cooperate by going and telling their side of it. Forget about second-guessing, all they had to say is "yes, I knew there was money in that envelope, but I didn't know what it was for or where it was from. Mr. Warner just told me that FIFA had sent money for the CFU membership." I think FIFA was even paying their airfare to Zurich. But is like a plague affecting TnT football administrators... bad advice after bad advice... and they keep following it. Read well between the lines and it not hard to figure out where it coming from.
What I'd like to know, maybe Flex could help with his contacts like KLL, whether money is now going into the TTFF accounts for first time in recent history, instead of a into the mystery accounts of certain spethall advithor with a tie tongue. So if TTFF supervises the Olympic team in Dominica, does the team get money from Concacaf for advancing to the next round? Will TTFF release accounts some day to show a skeptical public or would they still have something to hide. Will KLL support that or say "I eh involve in dat, ask Rodent".Dreamer,i done boy,why you trying to call me out,any money from Concacaf check Blazer that's allyu boy he in control now,the money transparent.Ah hearing you every day with the same tune all the time,keep it up.
I recommend to Sancho and crew.... When yuh drive a stake into Camps's coffin at the end of this month and demand answers to the past financial crimes, also request of the judge to insist his Jown Jackula-style fatwa, that future TTFF administrators pledge to release yearly accounts of business or face the full brunt of the law and personal garnishing of wages. We cyah accept any less especially from this blog. Coop's ah hope yuh hearing.
Like Jack have a book deal or what? "Allyuh goh read about the truth in the book" Steuups......
ah tink de working title thus far is 'Ah will raise again'
In the fullest of time you will see. Probed further regarding his chances before the Ethics Committee, Warner said: There is a time to speak and a time to stay quiet, and right now is a time to stay quiet."Exactly.What going to happen is since these guys have been exposed everybody will get exposed,it does not mean they are innocent but it will show that nobody in this whole thing is innocent,JW has the whole history of FIFA's operation being involved with the organization 30yrs so it's no hear say he was FIFA,FIFA will really have to clean up it's act when Bin Hammam and JW done with them.
At last Jack is l;earning the art of Public Relations. (Or is it just that he actually has nothing to say, a bit like the much promoted "tsunami")
Strange thing here is that bin Hammam must have be told the outcome as Jack was told, prior to the statement. He could have retired too. My only belief is that he's going to bring a lot of FIFA wheeler-dealing into the open and finish off Blatter in public. The danger for Jack is that this may further incriminate him!
Football supporter I am wondering what kind of justice is this? The workers get charged for carrying out the boss instructions! I guess they were advised by the lawyers or loyalty to their boss! I guess Jack will reward them and pay them for the year! But what about their character? No one will hire them as they can be seen as co-conspirators in crime! I don't think there is a price one can fix for loss of character! But Jack into a corner now . He cannot speak on any matter of integrity or corruption by the PNM! St Cyr have the last laugh!
He just have to wok,wok and wok and hope someone will pardon him!
He has interfered with the careers of too many of our national football heroes! I don't think there is any pity among the real football fans and football fraternity! Every hog have it's Saturday !
Interesting ! I will await to see what the future hold for these two! They are probably two young people trying to make it? I would like to see what they look like. I don't recall seeing their pictures in the newspapers!
"Gibbs said until FIFA said it required T&T police help, action was on hold."
Unbelievable. Gibbs now waiting for a football organisation to request T&T law enforcement for help? What possible help could they want? FIFA employed their own investigators to clean up this mess. We now have two Trinis found guilty and a minister who resigned rather than face an enquiry, yet Gibbs still not suspicious.
I feel I need to assist Mr Gibbs with another matter as he seems unable to detect suspicious activity.......Mr Gibbs, you may want to take a little look into your policemen shooting 3 people dead in a "car chase" in Moruga. Its really tricky to shoot a person in the throat and another 6 times in the back when they are moving in a car. Its also a bit strange when a man walks towards police, is arrested and arrives at hospital dead from a bullet wound. Its also bizarre that the 3 "police" weapons used weren't registered as police weapons. This is not a good time to wait for Smith & Wesson to request your assistance.
Do yuh wuk, Gibbs, stop running marathons and grow some balls.
"Gibbs said until FIFA said it required T&T police help, action was on hold."
Unbelievable. Gibbs now waiting for a football organisation to request T&T law enforcement for help? What possible help could they want? FIFA employed their own investigators to clean up this mess. We now have two Trinis found guilty and a minister who resigned rather than face an enquiry, yet Gibbs still not suspicious.
I feel I need to assist Mr Gibbs with another matter as he seems unable to detect suspicious activity.......Mr Gibbs, you may want to take a little look into your policemen shooting 3 people dead in a "car chase" in Moruga. Its really tricky to shoot a person in the throat and another 6 times in the back when they are moving in a car. Its also a bit strange when a man walks towards police, is arrested and arrives at hospital dead from a bullet wound. Its also bizarre that the 3 "police" weapons used weren't registered as police weapons. This is not a good time to wait for Smith & Wesson to request your assistance.
Do yuh wuk, Gibbs, stop running marathons and grow some balls.
That thing is rel bachannal. The man the police "wanted" was not even in the car. They shoot up his car, but he was in another car ahead of his. Anyway back to the thread.
"The problem is, they dont have it. Warner stuffed it into an account controlled by one of his sons for a business that has since been closed, and the money long ago disappeared into Warners Cayman Islands bank accounts.
But Oliver Camps, president of the TTFF, cant ask Jack for the money back and so, sadly, the Trinidad & Tobago fed has begun paying it off out of their own funds. However, since theyre pretty much broke too, theyre paying it off in small monthly installments.
This has led to them having to cancel national team matches which they had scheduled in preparation for CONCACAF qualifying"
I never heard this before??? And I have it on good authority that TTFF are NOT paying monthly payments, nor have they agreed to do so.
So, what is this journo's source, because it the latter is incorrect, maybe so is the former.
Its interesting to read about Jack lending Bin Hammam $250k. Why would a multi millionaire need $250k?
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-08-23-11-1a_Miss_T&T_Independence_-_22.8.11_(1).jpg)Tallman yu wicked,you have no right to post a picture like that on here,this have nothing to do with Football.Like the man can't go away,he keeps resurfaceing all over the place.
SWEET MAN JACK: Standing between these six beautiful women who are contestants in the upcoming Miss Independence Pageant, Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner couldn't help but feel like a sweet man as he posed with the beauties who paid him a courtesy call yesterday at his office in Port-of-Spain.
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk
"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.
"
Jack Warner is yesterday's news.
Relegated to the ultimate punishment for somebody like him. Irrelevance.
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk
"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.
"
FIFA took a page out of your book jack :devil: :devil:
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk
"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.
"
FIFA took a page out of your book jack :devil: :devil:
You read my mind.
VB
:heehee: Jack will rise again? :devil:
Let me see what kamala and gibbs will do now ...... the evidence dey
Hrrmmmm....so Jack actually got set up on this one :thinking:
Is it usual protocol to tape meetings? especially a covert one such as this where big business was being discussed.
Somebody blow the whistle and set up the scene.
Imagine if everybody had eaten their biscuit and hush dey mouth what would have happened?
Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.
As much as I dont like Jack Warner who we all know is a master crook and smartman, after watching the entire video and reading the transcript, he broke no law here.
What he did was unethical, and as CONCACAF President, he should have directed the members not to accept anything, heck he should not have even convinced Bin Hamin to bring anything.
But we all know this is how the world works, from political parties to companies and their contractors.
He was unethical, not illegal.
I actually find his speech to be somewhat noble in that he actually gave people the choice of returning the money if they felt a ways.
But then is Jack Warner we talking about, so what is noble for him is expected from a mortal soul.
Not sure how much weight the ethics violations has in FIFA, really doesnt matter cause he resigned long time.
What was insightful was the personal tirade against Platini.
Jack mash up England and now is payback.
Will he do the right thing and resign??
yeah right....
EDIT: I now take in de video... :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol
FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!
I listened to the full unedited version of Jack Warner's address to CFU at the Telegraph link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8820948/Former-Fifa-vice-president-Jack-Warner-is-caught-on-tape-offering-gifts-of-25000-to-Caribbean-delegates.html
Very interesting!
Unfortunately this setting up of Jack was inevitable after he embarrassed Prince William and the England World Cup bid team!
He should not have misled them like that about them having his support!
In revenge they probably encouraged one of their British colonies who is still loyal to the Queen and a CFU member to set up Jack by making this recording!
England would have gotten their revenge on Jack sooner or later, it was simply a matter of time!
It is so ironic that Jack was a good leader for the CFU and CONCACAF but was also at the same time a curse & blessing (more of a curse though) to T&T football!
Will he do the right thing and resign??
yeah right....
EDIT: I now take in de video... :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol
FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!
I actually disagree with your take... the deeper we get into this thing the more hypocritical FIFA seems, and the more sympathetic they make Jack appear. Clearly the recording was done surreptitiously, implying that the person was either planted there to get the 'evidence', or that Jack was otherwise set up for a fall.
And what does the "evidence" show? According to Jack, Bin Hamman was going to bring some silver plaques and other trinkets for distribution. Jack told him to put a price on it and make the gift cash instead (for good reason). According to Jack (I have to keep saying that, because all we have is his words) he told Bin Hamman that he will not guarantee any votes and from the clip he makes it clear to the CFU members that they were under no obligation to vote for Bin Hamman or anyone else... in fact they didn't even have to tell him (Warner) how they intended to vote... so exactly how was this supposed to be 'buying votes' by Bin Hamman?
Jack instead make a very cogent argument for the CFU to vote as a bloc, b/c they could control the fate of the next President that way rather than by splintering the vote... a very solid argument. He is lukewarm about another 4 years of Blatter, and clearly apprehensive of Platini succeeding Blatter, as is currently the plan. I don't know much about Platini's politics or why Jack see him as such a threat... but on everything else I fully agree with Jack. It is clear that this meeting wasn't to buy anyone's vote or to bribe officials. Yes by giving them cash some crooked individuals could keep it for themselves, but Jack made it clear that they could (should?) use if for their local FA ("development, pay salaries") and at no point is it implied that this was a personal gift to the individual.
In any other forum this meeting and what was discussed would seem reasonable, but clearly FIFA (and the other 10 CONCACAF members) saw this as a threat to the status quo, saw it as a chance to break up the CFU as a bloc, and since they could make up their own laws, they decided that this was a bribe thing, and a breach of ethics. Sadly the rest of the world, and some ah allyuh fall fuh it.
Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.
It seems this is Jacks ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous days bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.
I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.
A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.
We must call a spade a spade. De man has acted deviously in the past regardless of intention. Again this shines a really bad light on us as Trinbagonians and the government by extension. I don't see him surviving this one since there are clearly some legal issues questions to be answered, but then it is Trinidad and Tobago we talking about. Jack can no longer claim ignorance to Bin Hanaman's bringing of gifts or the form of the gifts, since he directed him to bring gifts in the form of a currency equivalent.
As for being setup, that goes without saying. We must not forget that there are still British Colonies in the CFU. Their allegiance is to the Queen and Jack screwed the Queen hard with a little foreplay.
On this evidence there will be no tears shed for Jack by me.
Blessings
We must call a spade a spade. De man has acted deviously in the past regardless of intention. Again this shines a really bad light on us as Trinbagonians and the government by extension. I don't see him surviving this one since there are clearly some legal issues questions to be answered, but then it is Trinidad and Tobago we talking about. Jack can no longer claim ignorance to Bin Hanaman's bringing of gifts or the form of the gifts, since he directed him to bring gifts in the form of a currency equivalent.
As for being setup, that goes without saying. We must not forget that there are still British Colonies in the CFU. Their allegiance is to the Queen and Jack screwed the Queen hard with a little foreplay.
On this evidence there will be no tears shed for Jack by me.
Blessings
How does this embarrass TnT? What "legal issues questions" have to be answered? Did you watch the full video? There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape. A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed. The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.
Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.
It seems this is Jacks ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous days bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.
I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.
A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.
This is nonsense... the question was posed to Jack whether he would run for the Presidency... he then say that if Blatter wins "we" must start grooming a candidate to run against Platini in four years. He said (and I paraphrase) "we must start grooming the President of Barbados -- and I am just calling his name here because he is mih pardna (chuckle)-- to run for President".
What kinda "shout out" is that... or how is that evidence of the "warped workings" of Warner's mind?
Ent! Tell him dey Dinho! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl::heehee: Jack will rise again? :devil:
Raise bredda!! the word is RAISE!! :pissedoff:
Hrrmmmm....so Jack actually got set up on this one :thinking:
Is it usual protocol to tape meetings? especially a covert one such as this where big business was being discussed.
Somebody blow the whistle and set up the scene.
Imagine if everybody had eaten their biscuit and hush dey mouth what would have happened?
I think the events of the day before were so crazy that somebody thought there would be value in taping this. Jack had already hear about Bahamas and co. talking to Concacaf in NY and I sure it had real talk passing before the second day.
If it wasn't for the fact that we was wasting down the rest of Concacaf so badly I woulda say that Jack tape it heself as a defence against the bribery charges.
How does this embarrass TnT? What "legal issues questions" have to be answered? Did you watch the full video? There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape. A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed. The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.
How does this embarrass TnT? What "legal issues questions" have to be answered? Did you watch the full video? There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape. A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed. The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.
I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.
The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!
I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.
The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!
Also I find people getting tie up... this is not a matter of illegality.
Jack is the acting Prime Minister of Trinidad & Tobago, embarassing man embarassing .Worse than that...given his Ministerial portfolio, the Prime Minister should ask for his resignation or for the very least an investigation as you cannot and should not have a sitting member of Government implicated in a bribery scandal.
I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.
The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!
Also I find people getting tie up... this is not a matter of illegality.
FF... THE ENTIRE CONTEXT of this discussion is FIFA. What so hard to understand about that?
Agree this is not a matter of illegality... unless yuh saying that for the benefit of those in the peanut gallery who talking about "bribe" and "lawyers" and the one special dunce, Weary who talking about "court of law".
You saying it was improper... and that the proper thing to do would have been to discourage either the offer and/or acceptance of the gifts. This is true... by NORMAL ethical standards... normal ethical standards would dictate that there not be any gifts at all, or keep them to a reasonable value as the IOC belatedly came to adopt. But FIFA don't abide by normal ethical standards and to say that what Jack did here was improper, would be to hold him (Bin Hamman and the rest of the CFU officials) to a higher ethical standard than 99% of the rest of FIFA... hence my comments about the hypocrisy. I'm not defending Jack, I am pointing out the hypocrisy.
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.
Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know). The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman. Unless people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help circumvent the law... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.
Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.
It seems this is Jacks ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous days bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.
I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.
A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.
This is nonsense... the question was posed to Jack whether he would run for the Presidency... he then say that if Blatter wins "we" must start grooming a candidate to run against Platini in four years. He said (and I paraphrase) "we must start grooming the President of Barbados -- and I am just calling his name here because he is mih pardna (chuckle)-- to run for President".
What kinda "shout out" is that... or how is that evidence of the "warped workings" of Warner's mind?
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.
Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know). The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman. Unless people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help circumvent the law... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.
Jack's action and Ben H join at d hip so oh bright 1 u cyah seperate dem. Jack eh bring in d money but he was d Min wit the responsibility 4 d airport at d time. So I guess as d decent and upstanding fella that he is he asked Ben H show meh where u declaration form 2 make sure that d money was brought into the country legally.
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.
Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know). The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman. Unless people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help circumvent the law... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.
Jack's action and Ben H join at d hip so oh bright 1 u cyah seperate dem. Jack eh bring in d money but he was d Min wit the responsibility 4 d airport at d time. So I guess as d decent and upstanding fella that he is he asked Ben H show meh where u declaration form 2 make sure that d money was brought into the country legally.
Do you have any PROOF that Jack did anything illegal??
You might be connecting two separate observations about the entire transcript.
Shout out as in simply "his name get mentioned" nothing more nothing less. Notable because this is name that nobody else hear bout before his Concacaf "appointment" so it was funny to hear him being used as an example by Jack.
As for warped thinking, the speech is riddled with flawed thinking. Warner is either crazy if he believes himself or crazy to think that he could convince people of the nonesense he is speaking.
Not least of which is the idea that keeping a development grant from Bin Hamman secret would prevent the appearance of it being a bribe. The mechanics that any self-respecting FA would have to go though to account for a US 40,000 cash influx would necessitate underhand dealings. Not a problem in Warners world of laxed accounting but the transaction that he describes does not make sense to most people.
Then there is the referency to piety. In Warners mind refusing the money is a question of piety when to most people you dont even have to be pious, it is just plain improper to recieve 40,000 in cash, in private weeks before a vote. How can a reasonable person not believe that it is not an inducement to vote.
Like I said, I agree that this tape doesnt say much about bribery but Warners words are clearly carefully chosen. I am almost certain that this is not how the money was presented in private the previous day. Warner admits to as much in this attempt to clear up the situation.
I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.
But I guess u have proof that he did everything above board but I guess only u have d right to make assumptions based on the evidence presnted.
Former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25,000 to Caribbean delegates.
By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter (Telegraph).
Jack Warner has been caught on tape apparently urging fellow Caribbean officials to accept cash gifts from Mohamed Bin Hammam, the disgraced former presidential candidate.
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.
Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.
Will he do the right thing and resign??
yeah right....
EDIT: I now take in de video... :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol
FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!
I actually disagree with your take... the deeper we get into this thing the more hypocritical FIFA seems, and the more sympathetic they make Jack appear. Clearly the recording was done surreptitiously, implying that the person was either planted there to get the 'evidence', or that Jack was otherwise set up for a fall.
And what does the "evidence" show? According to Jack, Bin Hamman was going to bring some silver plaques and other trinkets for distribution. Jack told him to put a price on it and make the gift cash instead (for good reason). According to Jack (I have to keep saying that, because all we have is his words) he told Bin Hamman that he will not guarantee any votes and from the clip he makes it clear to the CFU members that they were under no obligation to vote for Bin Hamman or anyone else... in fact they didn't even have to tell him (Warner) how they intended to vote... so exactly how was this supposed to be 'buying votes' by Bin Hamman?
Jack instead make a very cogent argument for the CFU to vote as a bloc, b/c they could control the fate of the next President that way rather than by splintering the vote... a very solid argument. He is lukewarm about another 4 years of Blatter, and clearly apprehensive of Platini succeeding Blatter, as is currently the plan. I don't know much about Platini's politics or why Jack see him as such a threat... but on everything else I fully agree with Jack. It is clear that this meeting wasn't to buy anyone's vote or to bribe officials. Yes by giving them cash some crooked individuals could keep it for themselves, but Jack made it clear that they could (should?) use if for their local FA ("development, pay salaries") and at no point is it implied that this was a personal gift to the individual.
In any other forum this meeting and what was discussed would seem reasonable, but clearly FIFA (and the other 10 CONCACAF members) saw this as a threat to the status quo, saw it as a chance to break up the CFU as a bloc, and since they could make up their own laws, they decided that this was a bribe thing, and a breach of ethics. Sadly the rest of the world, and some ah allyuh fall fuh it.
This news is disturbing me a lot.
You guys are so amazing here its a shame.
Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.
Give Caribbean people a voice.
Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.
You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.
Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.
These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.
Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.
Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.
Be careful what you wish for.
Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.
The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.
USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.
Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.
We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.
Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.
Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!
This news is disturbing me a lot.
You guys are so amazing here its a shame.
Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.
Give Caribbean people a voice.
Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.
You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.
Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.
These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.
Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.
Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.
Be careful what you wish for.
Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.
The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.
USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.
Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.
We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.
Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.
Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.
Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.
Where de TnT $40,000? :devil:
Camps on record saying he ent get no money and he ent know nothing bout that
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.
Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.
Where de TnT $40,000? :devil:
Camps on record saying he ent get no money and he ent know nothing bout that
Dahs de ting. He say..if yuh doh want it..return it..and i go carry it back. Do the maths.
Surely this is wrong: "However, truth crushed to the ground will rise again" Shouldn't that read "raise again"? :rotfl:
"it is clear that those who recorded the meeting and subsequently made certain that the video went global, are engaged in entrapment" Of course its entrapment. You can't go on for ever pissing people off and expect no revenge. But what Jack fails to point out is that you can't be trapped unless you're doing something wrong. You can't take the moral high ground when you've been caught.
This statement is disgusting. Where's the apology to the citizens of T&T for tarnishing the country all over the world? Any righteous person would apologise, say he made an error of judgement, but for the right reasons, and resign from public life.
FS like u have ah dread cockstan fuh Jack hoss. U honestly see something incriminating in da video guy?
"This "bribe" as allyuh insist on painting it, is as improper as the bribe by the British to help develop facilities in Trinidad, as improper as them coming to TnT to play a meaningless friendly, as improper as Beckham holding a clinic for local kids... all clearly meant to influence Warner's support of the English WC bid. All of this was done in the open... why didn't FIFA charge Warner... and Lord Triesman et al over that? The answer clearly is hypocrisy."
Bakes, I find so much in this statement of yours that is shocking. First of all, you put bribe in inverted commas, but FIFA have found bin Hamman guilty of offering the bribe. Now I know he is appealing, but as a man of the law, even if you think the decision is wrong, it is now a fact until proven otherwise. 1
There is a system in place to allow bidding countries to make gifts. I don't agree with this, but it is clearly there to prevent corruption as much as possible. I guess we all believe corruption and bribery is still rife within FIFA, but those gifts that you describe are legal by FIFA guidelines and they were all done in the open. There is no hypocrisy there. 2
Jacks "crime", if there is one - and I believe there is- is both against FIFA and the laws of T&T. He admitted on the video that he told bin Hamman to bring cash. He knew bin Hamman was flying into T&T and therefore he encouraged him to break T&T laws regarding currency transportation. As a Govt Minister, once bin Hamman delivered the cash to Jack, he is compelled, by not only his sworn oath to uphold the laws of T&T as a member of parliament, but also as a member of the Peoples Partnership which promised to rid T&T of corruption and to act with honesty, transparency and integrity, to hand over the funds to the authorities and identify the perpetrator. 3
Finally, Jack was the person who acted as conduit between bin Hamman and CFU when distributing funds. Why didn't bin Hamman just distribute it if there was nothing wrong? Why did delegates have to go into a private room? Why wasn't the money just transferred to the Federations individual accounts? The answer is because bin Hamman wanted no evidence. But if there was nothing wrong with giving a gift, why the secrecy? 4
Any way you look at this, it was immoral. It was a secret transaction.
The naivety is to say there was no attempt at buying votes. If you don't want it to appear so, you bring a silver tray with a camel engraved on it and "Greetings from Dubai". That's a nice gesture and practically worthless financially. Or you send cheques for the setting up of the bin Hamman coaching school in each country. 5
Since Eve charged Adam a dollar for a bite of her apple, cash is the chief currency of corruption and if you want to remain clear of bribery allegations, you do not smuggle (and it was smuggling) cash into a foreign country and distribute it individually behind closed doors through a third party. 6
However, as much as I want to avoid another one of our marathon discussions,
Bakes, thanks for your input, but as usual with you and I, we see things completely differently. I do actually feel very disappointed that you fail to agree (not that you have to!) with some of my points, because from my view they are so obvious. I also am disappointed with your general tone and lack of respect. You have the linguistic ability to argue against my points without resorting to sarcasm, ridicule and condescension. However, as much as I want to avoid another one of our marathon discussions, I can't let this one go:
"Immoral"?? Really? I hope you realize there is a difference between "immoral" and "unethical" behavior... and it's even arguable whether what he did is unethical. If what's on the tape is to believed then Jack acted in the best interest of the CFU. I tickles me to no end listening to you, the English press and some of the others here carrying on like is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in."
Bakes, I've seen you stating on the General Discussion thread all sorts of reasons why this is wrong or this is right etc. But unless I'm greatly mistaken, the above statement is condoning lawbreaking because its just a minor law. Is that what you meant by "carrying on like is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in."? Maybe if we were talking about Camps, I could understand (but not agree with) your point. But how can you give a bligh to a Cabinet Minister who turns a blind eye to illegal activity in his own country? Are you one of the people who think policemen should not be prosecuted for drunk driving, or Ministers not being fined for speeding or driving while banned? After all, they're not trafficking in child prostitutes. Where does this ignoring laws end? What about letting off some young kids who only had 3 small bags of cocaine or a guy who was just carrying a small knife? Hey, lets help out Duprey, coz no one got hurt, right?
While I would admit to preying that if I ever got stopped on the highway and was slightly over the limit the cops would give me a bligh, this is a government minister who had prior knowledge of a financial transaction that is required by T&T law to be declared. He failed to defend the laws that he swore he would uphold, before, during and after, and then turned another blind eye to a further 24 such incidents.
Or do we just ignore the "big fish"? Warner's govt is locking up people everyday, many on very thin evidence and in some cases, for fairly insignificant crimes. Yet its ok for Jack? Come on Bakes, you criticised me before because there was no evidence for Gibbs to launch an investigation, now we have it in his own words, which he has admitted was him speaking.
You know perfectly well that the law states you must make a declaration if you are bringing more than a specified amount of foreign currency in or out of the country. I don't understand why you will not admit this. You also know that if somebody has knowledge of such an incidence and fails to report it, they can be accused of conspiracy or being an accessory (I think you lawyers say before and after the fact?). I'm sure you will know the correct term. And we musn't forget the testimony that reported that delegates were given a cell phone number to call if they had trouble taking the money out of the country (although this was not investigated, so its just an allegation at this point.)
So, these are not my laws, but the laws of T&T, unless I'm mistaken.
But unless I'm greatly mistaken, the above statement is condoning lawbreaking because its just a minor law.
this is a government minister who had prior knowledge of a financial transaction that is required by T&T law to be declared. He failed to defend the laws that he swore he would uphold, before, during and after, and then turned another blind eye to a further 24 such incidents.
Come on Bakes, you criticised me before because there was no evidence for Gibbs to launch an investigation, now we have it in his own words, which he has admitted was him speaking.
You know perfectly well that the law states you must make a declaration if you are bringing more than a specified amount of foreign currency in or out of the country. I don't understand why you will not admit this.
You also know that if somebody has knowledge of such an incidence and fails to report it, they can be accused of conspiracy or being an accessory
And we musn't forget the testimony that reported that delegates were given a cell phone number to call if they had trouble taking the money out of the country (although this was not investigated, so its just an allegation at this point.)
There is so much that is ridiculous about this paragraph that I almost don't know where to begin. Because Jack knew that BH was bringing cash into the country or encouraged him to bring cash into the country that means that Jack broke the law? Whose law... yours? What compels him to hand over the cash BH intended for the CFU... your words? Your sense of what's right or wrong? steups..
This news is disturbing me a lot.Bred this is my honest opinion. i believe that jack warner was and still is good for concacaf and CFU, no if ands or buts, but he was awfully bad for T&T football. no if ands or buts.
You guys are so amazing here its a shame.
Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.
Give Caribbean people a voice.
Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.
You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.
Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.
These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.
Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.
Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.
Be careful what you wish for.
Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.
The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.
USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.
Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.
We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.
Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.
Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!
If it was "two separate observations" then I am not the one connecting themQuoteI see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.
It is clear that in your mind the shout out "confirmed" things about the workings of Warner's mind... but whatever. He didn't even call Austin by name... but again, if that is some kinda "shout out" worthy of highlighting to you, then so be it.
As for the rest of what you type... it seems apparent to me that you didn't watch the video and just (mis)read the transcripts. Jack never said anything about keeping anything secret... in fact he clearly states that what was being discussed in the room was no secret to FIFA, since he let Blatter know what was going on.
This "bribe" as allyuh insist on painting it, is as improper as the bribe by the British to help develop facilities in Trinidad, as improper as them coming to TnT to play a meaningless friendly, as improper as Beckham holding a clinic for local kids... all clearly meant to influence Warner's support of the English WC bid. All of this was done in the open... why didn't FIFA charge Warner... and Lord Triesman et al over that? The answer clearly is hypocrisy. All of this moral posturing about what was "improper" and what not is just that... posturing. The issue isn't one of propriety, the issues are illegal behavior that might subject him to TnT law, or unethical behavior that might subject him to FIFA discipline. No such behavior is present on the film, nor has any such behavior been alleged save for Blazer/FIFA with the "bribe" talk.
My point was that it was warped thinking for Warner to think that this deal would be kosher.
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.
I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.
Regards,
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.
I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.
Regards,
OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.
I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.
Regards,
OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.
Girl, i watch the vid grinning ear to ear wondering to my self How he going to weasel him self outta this one.
I was not hiding, I was like the Observer.. Just Observing. lol ;D
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.
I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.
Regards,
OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.
Girl, i watch the vid grinning ear to ear wondering to my self How he going to weasel him self outta this one.
I was not hiding, I was like the Observer.. Just Observing. lol ;D
I C
He will b easy to weasel himself because people in Trini doh 2 dey wuk. Me eh like some people and feel I is the brightest in these parts but I figure out what happen and how if anybody wanted to do someting would have done it long ago. This is how it play out Ben H have a diplomatic passport so therefore he did not have to go through customs and he partner d Min of Works meet him in d airport. So the legal experts need to tell me if a diplomat can bring in undisclosed sums of money and is therefore not subject to the custom laws. If that is the case then and only then NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
FS ah sorry eh buh hoss fuh as intelligent as yuh want to seem yuh rell ignorant fella. Do you think that tape by itself without any further PROOF is enough to convict Jack Warner of anything in a court of law? At any point did he say to the CFU members you are obligated to vote for BH? If gifts are allowed in the "bidding" process but you don't or cannot see that as a bribe, then how is what the footage shows a "bribe?" What exactly is the purpose of gifts in the bidding process if not to sway the votes in favor of the gift giver?
Just so you know a bribe is defined as:
1. money or any other valuable consideration given or promised with a view to corrupting the behavior of a person, especially in that person's performance as an athlete, public official, etc.:
2. anything given or serving to persuade or induce:
So after reviewing the definition can you honestly say all that the English FA offered in order to try to win the CFU votes to land the 2018 or 2012 WC was not a "bribe?" Or is it not a bribe because FIFA "say it OK?"
As I tried to explain that is not what is clear in my mind. I was commenting on the transcript and making two separate observations as in - I see Lise Austin get shout out (in the transcript) and it (the transcript) confirms Warners warped thinking.
That wasn't entirely clear from what you typed... but I understand what you meant.
Yes I read the transcript and while he talks about Blatter being aware he also expresses dismay at delegates sharing details of the meeting with the Concacaf office in NY, dismay at the media being aware of something. At another point he says that they could disgree and discuss as much as they want but what happens there should stay there.
That is normal... you have to listen to the tape rather than rely on the transcripts. There are whole sentences left out of the transcripts which they claim is "inaudible" (for journalists you'd hope they realize that the word is "indecipherable/unintelligible"). The secrecy isn't so much a nefarious thing as it is more to give people confidence that they can speak candidly within the group... again, this is normal in any organization.
I havent been pushing any bribe talk as far as him being open to prosecution under TnT law. My point is that Warners thinking was terrible flawed.
Even if you consider FIFAs low ethical standard his failure to foresee problems with facilitating these gifts/grants from a candidate challenging the established leadership indicates that Warner was not thinking as normal people would. He was thinking as he would that everyone of the 25 was corrupt, corruptible, too greedy to pass up free money or too beholden to him as the CFU Czar to object. In fact the first thing I said when this all broke was that Warner got lazy in his scheming and didnt think things through.
I would also say there are are significant differences between WC bidding and FIFA presidential voting and that this action was unprecedented even within FIFA but that would be a long post. For WC bids you are wooing 24 senior executives, seasoned politicians accustomed to public and private horse trading. This arrangement is offering 40,000 to 25 people who are on a completely different level. More importantly Warner clearly did not have their buy-in from them. My point was that it was warped thinking for Warner to think that this deal would be kosher.
"FS, all I can tell you is that for all your smarts you can be hopelessly naive at times. What is "acceptable" and what actually happens in reality are often oceans apart. You, MEP and others seem to think conjecture is enough to drag Jack into courts... good luck with allyuh campaign. Next time yuh see ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it."
I guess this is the problem with T&T. You call me naive, but anybody who hears that recording and believes there was no bribe is beyond naive. Anybody who still believes Warner has never done anything wrong is naive. People can be caught redhanded and its still not enough.
Now you just talking f**king shit... you think your beloved England any f**king better? I'm sorry but whether we cool or not you starting to stray into dangerous territory with this kinda talk. All the blasted bribes England have been offering over the years to Warner and whomever else and you want to come here talking about 'that's the problem with T&T'? Or is it just a bribe because cash was used instead of "cheques", wire transfers or non-cash gifts? Nobody said anything about Warner's hands being clean and you have to be a damn ass to think that this is evidence of anybody being caught "redhanded".
Yes Bakes, you can argue until time immamorial about this and that but what we heard on the tape is enough to yet again embarrass T&T internationally, force a resignation, and start an investigation. I can understand why some less educated people may not see that, but someone who is educated and has the benefits of living overseas should be, in my opinion, screaming for Jack to go, writing letters to Kamla, the government, other M.P.s, newspapers etc.
Well if T&T is being embarrassed internationally then that is T&T's problem then, isn't it? We've been enduring Jack for how long now? How many times have we been embarrassed before? I think we'll be alright. Maybe it is precisely because I am "educated and [have] the benefits of living overseas" that I can put this in the proper context and realize this is not the great smoking gun you want to make it out to be.
I'm not condoning wrongdoing by Jack or anybody else, but in the grand scheme of things this is incredibly minor... except the declaration thing. If he abetted/encouraged it then he needs to be charged and kicked out of government. Even if this wasn't FIFA we were talking about this tempest in a teapot would be overblown... the very fact that it's FIFA makes it even less significant. If politicians were squeaky clean then there'd be no politics... it's not ideal but that's the reality.
I just don't understand your angle.
But then, I remember 5 years ago people on this site saying that Warner will never go to court and the players would never get a red cent. It may take time, but justice will prevail.
As for "ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it." why report it, it nots like its trafficking in child protitutes, right?
So here is what reputable large multinational companies do to prevent this sort of drama...
They have something called a gift registry which MUST be used by any employee that receives a "gift" from someone who does business with that company.
You hadda enter the monetary value of the gift and this documentation will be sent to the legal department. They will then advise on whether there will be the apparant perception of conflict of interest/trying to bribe in smart etc etc.
If it is cleared, you could accept the gift.
If it will remotely appear that it will be controversial, you hadda return the gift or let higher management take it from there.
As an employee if you do that, you are in full compliance and ethical.
Now JW dont have much higher to go than him in FIFA besides Blatter, lol, who just so happens to be Bin Hamin's opponent.
But I am absolutely 100% sure that a body like FIFA will have a very formal gifts registry that the legal unit will be closely monitoring.
Here is where the personality of FIFA comes in, we know its one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. I am sure its only the mid and low level officials who actually follow the rules and utilize the registry.
If that the case, JW acted improperly and unethically and he did the right thing by resigning.
But in a court of law, he appears to have not broken any laws.
Even the decleration of Cash, that is fully on the man/people who bring in the cash.
You really think a Govt minister/FIFA VP have time to think about every single situation and chase down a man and ask him if he remember to declare his cash??
At the end of the day, JW did the best thing by resigning, it is also very very clear that there is a conspiracy against him by others in FIFA and perhaps English officials connected to the press/Jennings.
If I were him, I would get a real good PR company and you can spin this to a big advantage.
But then a man like JW must be aint have the time to do that, and then also, what the point?
He FIFA career done.
What is sad is how may people here jump up excited excited and saying Jack get ketch, Jack is the devil, finally proof of what we knew all along about how corrup he is.....Please think for yourself independently and not succumb to personal opinions and what the British press said. its almost like "massa say this, so is so" all over again.
I am the first to say I glad JW officially gone from T&T football (we all know this not really the case), and someone like him in Govt sends the wrong signals, but this whole situation about this tape is a joke, very deceiving from the British paper.
Boss post Bakes on page one....
You really think a Govt minister/FIFA VP have time to think about every single situation and chase down a man and ask him if he remember to declare his cash??
At the end of the day, JW did the best thing by resigning, it is also very very clear that there is a conspiracy against him by others in FIFA and perhaps English officials connected to the press/Jennings.
If I were him, I would get a real good PR company and you can spin this to a big advantage.
But then a man like JW must be aint have the time to do that, and then also, what the point?
He FIFA career done.
What is sad is how may people here jump up excited excited and saying Jack get ketch, Jack is the devil, finally proof of what we knew all along about how corrup he is.....Please think for yourself independently and not succumb to personal opinions and what the British press said. its almost like "massa say this, so is so" all over again.
I am the first to say I glad JW officially gone from T&T football (we all know this not really the case), and someone like him in Govt sends the wrong signals, but this whole situation about this tape is a joke, very deceiving from the British paper.
Boss post Bakes on page one....
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)
JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Yes... for facilitating the commission of a crime.
Anticipating your next response... possessing or distributing cash is not a crime. The most Jack could be "implicated" for is facilitating an exchange of the cash. You can call it a bribe as many are dead set on doing but Jack left himself enough wiggle room on the tape to even cast that in doubt. To the sanctimonious English these doubts don't matter though... not while there are pikes to be sharpened and torches to be lit.
JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)
JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"
Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)
Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit. Listen again.
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)
JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"
Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)
Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit. Listen again.
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.
Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)
JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"
Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)
Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit. Listen again.
Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.
At 1:27 in the video the original poster linked to. He said he told him if he is bringing cash, he must give it to the CFU to give to the members.
It's not exactly how I said that "he told him to bring cash", my apologies. But he did know that BH was bringing cash and he instructed him on how to distributed that cash. He used a silly excuse about a private plane not being able to hold the luggage for all the members of the CFU.
Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.
Hoss de man even say he eh even kno if BH is de bess choice needa! De unedited recording works even more in JW favor :rotfl:
De man say plain and straight that if we go with Blatter we have to make sure dat Platinni is not an automatic successor which to me make sense because any successor should be voted in as opposed to simply handed leadership.
Nah man I eh ah JW fan buh Jah allyuh rell ridiculous to assert dat dis recording paints JW in a negative light.
Hoss de man even say he eh even kno if BH is de bess choice needa! De unedited recording works even more in JW favor :rotfl:
De man say plain and straight that if we go with Blatter we have to make sure dat Platinni is not an automatic successor which to me make sense because any successor should be voted in as opposed to simply handed leadership.
Nah man I eh ah JW fan buh Jah allyuh rell ridiculous to assert dat dis recording paints JW in a negative light.
Now.. we talking in fine details here... but Killa what you think really went on? ;) plain talk
Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.
Allyuh thais wha jack TELL DEM that he and bin Hamman talk bout... AFTER de fact of money passing!
He covering he arse...
I like wha a man say upthread... everybody know what really went on dey, difficult ting to prove though.
ah next ting... since when some wooden trophy and bunting is de equivalent of $40,000 IN CASH!! He ent self go on record and call it ah donation... and write some checks... or make a pledge. Come on.
Oh, no doubt. We all know Jack bribed the hell out of Bin H. But, I was just commenting on whether the video itself implicated Jack.
I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.
Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes. Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash? In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.
Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes. Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash? In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.
smart choice guy lol
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.
Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes. Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash? In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.
smart choice guy lol
Some people have a problem with simple deductive reasoning... they want to jump from A to C without first stopping at B. Everybody know how FIFA... how life operates. Of course Bin Hamman was buying votes... of course! Of course Jack ent 'facilitate' the meeting for free... of course! Of course Bin Hamman ride in, likely with a suitcase full of cash and the CFU delegates ride out with money... of course! But inferences aside, do we have enough to say "Jack bribe Bin Hamman" or "Jack help him get thru customs and bypass de declaration"? Of course not!
When yuh come thru Piarco, customs with they self-important selves does ask yuh if yuh have anything to declare. Most ah we does say no and dey doh even bother searching we... is ah honor system. You ent need to special help passing thru customs, especially not if yuh travelling on a diplomatic passport. People acting like they don't know what "diplomatic immunity" mean. Allyuh feel Bin Hamman get de FIFA and WC organizing job because de Qataris think he's ah smart football man? He's ah high ranking member of the royal inner circle, dem men have gold pass wherever they travel. Of course I doh know this for fact, but it really ent that much of a reach to figure out how thing went down.
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU member? Yes
Do we have proof of that? Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or
2. that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail.
Now if we go with him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU member? Yes
Do we have proof of that? Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed. Really? What is this so called evidence? Could it actually get someone convicted in court?
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or Based on what exactly?
2. that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail. If this is the case where is the crime? Is BH suspected of money laundering and therefore a wire tranfer would be cause for investigation? When did it become a crime or violation of any kind to wire money to a foreign country and then withdraw once there? So going by this if I wire $8000US to T&T and when I come withdraw all of it I have committed a crime since that is beyond the amount you allowed to come through customs with?
Now if we go with (why do we have to go with anything? I thought there was evidence of something?) him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? So far you haven't connected JW to anything so there is nothing to deny is there? yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU member? Yes
Do we have proof of that? Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or
2. that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail.
Now if we go with him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.
I cyah get pass this...
Even if this was true... you ent allowing for progress at all
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.
And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.
And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
Exactly
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.
Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes. Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash? In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.
Rather than reply to individuals, this is my response to various replies here.
1) Warner admitted on the tape that he told bin Hamman not to bring silver trays as gifts, but to bring cash.
As far as I can discover, legitimate gifts (whether considered bribes or not) are declared. Donations to football projects are also acceptable. I believe that the giving of cash in brown envelopes is not considered acceptable. This debate is not about the ethics of FIFA or the English F.A. It is about stepping outside of the usual practices prescribed by FIFA. The difference is simple and is exhibited in governments and business. You are allowed to accept gifts if they are within a prescribed criteria. If you are unsure, you have to enquire with your relevent employer if the gift is accessible. For those of you who still can't understand this, please give me one verifiable instance where cash passed in secret is an accepted gift in the corporate or political world.
2) Whether the money was brought into the country under diplomatic immunity or not, it certainly didn't leave the country under such status. On one hand people saying Warner was looking after the CFU, but on the other he had no duty of care to remind them they would be illegally trafficking foreign currency if it was not declared. All he had to do was advise bin Hamman to transfer funds directly to their accounts or write them cheques. For those of you who still can't understand this, please give me one sensible reason why bin Hamman didn't do this and instead went to the trouble of withdrawing 1 million U.S. dollars, flying it halfway around the world, arranging for it to be broken down into 25 piles, placing it in envelopes and taking it to a private room so each individual could collect it.
3) Just so I'm clear, which laws of T&T is it ok to break? As I was under the impression that all laws are supposed to be adhered to, which ones can I tell the police that I'm immune to? As much as you may think I'm fixated on seeing Warner charged for insignificant reasons, I actually believe that the laws are there for a reason. If you don't agree then write to your M.P. In the meantime, while we all bend the laws in some way, we also know that if we're caught we will pay the penalty, be it driving on the bus route, not declaring all income to the Inland Revenue, speeding etc. We know it may be wrong and we'll claim its unfair if we're caught, but we know its the law. Warner travels enough to know you cannot bring US$1 million in cash into another country without declaring it. In my opinion, Warner is not guilty of breaking the law, he is guilty of conspiring to break laws, or at least, failing to report a crime. Maybe this doesn't matter to John Q Public, but a govt minister should not be involved in this in any way, especially if he has a track record of involvement in suspect financial matters. All I've ever insisted on is that this is suitable evidence for Gibbs to investigate this situation. If Gibbs finds laws have been broken, and can gather sufficient evidence, then the courts will decide if individuals are guilty. Everyone here has been demanding the police go after the Big Fish, so lets see them do it. As for the alleged crime being insignificant, remember, AL Capone was only ever convicted of tax evasion.
4) All this lawyer talk about picking holes in statements is perfectly understandable in a court of law when representing clients, and you guys may well win your case based on these arguments. However, here, it is not necessary to defend Warner, bin Hamman or the CFU delegates, because they have that ability themselves. Its interesting for this to be pointed out, but it doesn't need to be an attack (which is how it reads) but a statement based on information and interpretation. We all know that an accused person will have their defence, but the intrinsic question here is: should the police investigate the possibility that a crime has been committed. If we agree with some posters here, we don't need investigators or courts, just a lawyer to argue for the accused and ignore vital questions.
To recap:
Has a law been broken? Possibly (Non declaration of foreign currency crossing borders)
Is there any kind of evidence that a law may have been broken? Definitely (affidavits from delegates, video footage discussing cash payments in foreign currency)
Is it in the public interest to investigate? Definitely. (Aside from a cabinet minister being involved, the globalisation of the story reflects the integrity of the government)
As someone else stated here "Some people have a problem with simple deductive reasoning"
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
PM refers Warner video to AG
Thursday 13th October, 2011
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has asked the Attorney General for his view on a leaked videotape posted on the website of a British newspaper on Wednesday.
The videotape features the voice of Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner speaking at a meeting with heads of the Caribbean Football Union on May 10th and 11th at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. In the video, he is heard telling officials to accept cash gifts from disgraced FIFA Presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam but they were under no obligation to do so.
On Wednesday, Mr Warner admitted to the media that it was his voice on the recording but said it was doctored to incriminate him.
Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar was questioned about the video on Thursday afternoon. She said: "I have looked at the video and read the transcript and I have referred the matters to the Attorney General to advise whether there is anything to be concerned about."
The Prime Minister also said the former Chairman of the Integrity Commission, Dr Eric St Cyr, made the right decision by resigning after he spoke to the media about an investigation into HDC Chairman Jearlene John.
Mrs Persad-Bissessar, who was also the subject of statements made by Dr St Cyr earlier this year after it was revealed that she stayed at her friends' home before and after last year's General Election, said: "It is not the first time that there has been concerned with words spoken by him. I think he did the right thing and no further on it."
The Prime Minister said she is yet to receive advice from the President on the appointment of Dr St Cyr's replacement.
"The process is the President will consult with the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition. That has not yet taken place so it will not be inappropriate for me to speak on it. The President will write me and that consultation will take place."
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33258&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
:rotfl: :rotfl:I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"
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:rotfl: :rotfl:I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"
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1 Hey Mad.
In the grown up world most of us live in, this means bring cash : JW said "put a value on it and give that to the nations." He didn't on that tape say "I tell him give cash" What was he supposed to bring? Beads? Rugs? What? Any moron knows this referred to cash.
2 And you being, supposedly, versed in the law advised me: Police cannot investigate a crime on a whim. First there has to be some shred of evidence that a crime was committed. Unless I mistaken I haven't heard anyone bring forth a legitimate accusation supported by any miniscule piece of evidence that Warner committed or aided in the commission of a crime. But funnily enough, the Prime Minister deems this sufficient to refer this to the Attorney General. Maybe this is just a CYA move, but at least intelligent people are taking it more seriously than you.
3. For your information, police sometimes actually investigate incidents to decide if laws are broken. At that point they decide whether or not to charge people. All I have ever suggested is that this should be investigated because in my opinion laws appear to be broken.
Most of your other comments are obsolete because, quite simply, you cannot read.
Cause there would have been a paper trail...phewIndividual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.
And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
Cause there would have been a paper trail...phewIndividual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.
And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
And now see why Bakes does get frustrated with allyuh.
If you are bringing a million dollars into the country, as purported, then you have to declare it with the gov't. The banks too must declare that they received the money otherwise it would be laundering. Now apply a little common sense to your thought fella. phewwwww
Dahs very likely wha went on.
But arhmm...a matter like this.....would that really fall under the portfolio of the AG?
And while I eh expect nothing less from Valentino Singh.....I go conceed I see a degree of merit in his articles.
It seems there is a feeling that Jack facilitated BH in covertly bringing in cash in excess of $20K TTD ... the bringing in of cash over the amount required for declaration is not on its face wrongdoing. Further, the USD equivalent of the amount required for declaration equates to less than $4,000 USD ... wha allyuh really feel it is?
It seems there is a feeling that Jack facilitated BH in covertly bringing in cash in excess of $20K TTD ... the bringing in of cash over the amount required for declaration is not on its face wrongdoing. Further, the USD equivalent of the amount required for declaration equates to less than $4,000 USD ... wha allyuh really feel it is?
You could finesse the difference anyway you like... from what you saying "horse trading" among the ExCo is okay, trading ponies with hoi polloi is verboten. In both circumstances you have gifts being given in hopes of influencing a vote. A bribe is a bribe unless the ExCo say it's not a bribe.
Clearly Warner also thought this was par for the course since he let Blatter know of the game ahead of time. Maybe as yuh say he thinking was so warp that in his nearly 30 whatever years in FIFA he never see nothing like this but thought he'd start something and everybody would be cool with it.
I can't believe allyuh posters on this forum. It is clear as day that Jack Warner is innocent. It just so happens that he just real unlucky for his name to be closely associated with all sorts of questionable acts. :devil:
Imagine ppl defending this man. This same man who in the height of national pride and euphoria say if allyuh want to support the team who make t&t proud when they made it to the WC in Germany, allyuh hadda Ticket or Leave it.
It have so much more things this man implicated in. Allyuh think Jack stupid? What better way to win over the public than to appear to be something else. Oh he's the hardest working MP? why yuh think? he hadda do whatever he could to have some public backing so when he get implicated in something, he could count on his mindless minions to defend him to the end. I would think we would all want the best for our country be it in football or other matters of national interest. Let's say that Jack is really what he claims to be, an honest, hard-working individual with the country's interest at heart. Don't you think that just as how he resigned from FIFA which he claimed was not an admittance of guilt, he should resign from his position as member of parliament at least to save the country from the negative publicity and scandal? By Jack's own admission, he said that FIFA reeks of corruption yet still he was one of the longest serving members. Only when the tide start to turn against him he threatening a Tsunami. In other words,when things was nice yuh chose not to say anything. All of a sudden yuh partner Chuck eh good at all....come on ppl. Innocent or not, his name has been embroiled in enough fiascos to at least question his character. The irony of this is that he spoke about Eric St. Cyr needing to resign. Only enemies of sweet Trinidad and Tobago would defend Mr. Warner with a straight face.
You could finesse the difference anyway you like... from what you saying "horse trading" among the ExCo is okay, trading ponies with hoi polloi is verboten. In both circumstances you have gifts being given in hopes of influencing a vote. A bribe is a bribe unless the ExCo say it's not a bribe.
The main difference is private vs public. Most of these deals are done in private. The Russians visit Jack in Trinidad just like the English but nobody knows about it. No clinic, no fanfare just straight dealing.
The English decide that they want a WC but dont want to bribe. Since their failed 2006 bid they set up a global development iniative where they make contributions all over. This at least gives them the faintest appearance of being above board. For one thing it is public and secondly they arent giving cash. A clinic is arguably of no direct value to Warner himself. Of course he could capitalize on it financially or otherwise but the English could remove themselves from that. The friendly is obviously a more blatant financial benefit to Warner but England plays could argue precedent for playing a friendly against a Concacf team because they play the US , Mexico even Jamaica from time to time.Clearly Warner also thought this was par for the course since he let Blatter know of the game ahead of time. Maybe as yuh say he thinking was so warp that in his nearly 30 whatever years in FIFA he never see nothing like this but thought he'd start something and everybody would be cool with it.
As for Warner not having the pulse of what is acceptable in FIFA we have precedent for that too with the Ticket or Leave It. Once again he was clearly to bold and even FIFA had to publicly punish him. Of course privately they didnt make him pay the money or divest himself of his interest in Simpauls so he didnt really learn a lesson. I genuinely feel that since TnT qualify for the WC Jack start to like himself too much.
Ticket or Leave it was bare boldfaceness, as was his denial of the players money and presenting accounts that show that the TTFF make 30,000 TT from WC qualification. It not surprising that it is since then he thrust himself fully into politics too and demand prime portfolios from Kamla despite everybody within the party asking him no to take them.
I also feel the timing hurt him too. FIFA get real blowback from the two WC host assignments last December and they start talking about ethics. Since the bidding was gooing on Jack name get call in almost every accusation. This was just a bad time for him to try this, the fact that it help Blatter too was just even worse coincidence.
like it fall in your garden or wha?
Nah people just pointing out that this may not be any kinda damning evidence to finish Warner.
But cause is Bakes and Killa, they attracting real vitriol (cause dem fellas like to quarrel anyway ;D )
But I in JDB camp on this...
who cares if the evidence damning or not? point is, the man need to resign. that is the only point i trying to make. do it for the country. be a hero.
In its 16 months in office, the People's Partnership Government has generated a scandal a month. That's more than the unlamented Patrick Manning regime managed in its truncated eight years in power.
wwwwwwhhhhhhaaatttt???!!!! :o :o
I never knew Raffique Shah was a PNM??!! Ah mean how he could say this....In its 16 months in office, the People's Partnership Government has generated a scandal a month. That's more than the unlamented Patrick Manning regime managed in its truncated eight years in power.
A scandal a month Raffique??!! Naaaahhhhhh....a scandal per day is more like it.... ::) ::)
Like I said and Raffique saying it too.....Jack needs to go from government....
What does being a PNM have to do with calling it like it is ? I guess you were joking right? raffique shah is telling it like it is! He is a man of integrity who has always stood up for what is right.
I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted.
Wow, is he really going to go there? Zionism? What next, talking about mud people and pushing us to read The Protocols of Zion?
(http://s1.postimage.org/lla6aeo4/warner.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/lla6aeo4/)
I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted.
Wow, is he really going to go there? Zionism? What next, talking about mud people and pushing us to read The Protocols of Zion?
This is nonsense... "Zionism" is very real and I wouldn't be surprised if it rears its head within FIFA as well. It is hardly the far-fetched conspiracy you're trying to paint it to be. Now whether there's any merit to Warner's charges, that remains to be seen... after all , all we keep hearing is about this coming tsunami with barely a ripple being made.
"Zionism", as it has been used in recent times is a euphemism for "Jewish Cabal". It is a loaded term that has a completely different meaning today than it did at the beginning of the 20th century. You should know better.
"Zionism", as it has been used in recent times is a euphemism for "Jewish Cabal". It is a loaded term that has a completely different meaning today than it did at the beginning of the 20th century. You should know better.
I should know better? So you's ah mind reader then... you inherently know what context Jack using the term? I have no idea where you find this "zionism= jewish cabal" talk, but yuh might want to consult yuh dictionary to find the true meaning and see how it relates to what Jack alleging.
So you know the context in which Jack is using the term? Yes, you should know better as none of your posts suggested you were an anti-Semite. Take a look at this article you fool and then you can figure out how the term "Zionism"' is used today.
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/36671/ahmadinejad-zionists-told-911-advance
The truth is you are clueless about the term. Your own silly attempt at a definition shows you are out of your depth by aligning the term with radicalism. The pre- 9/11 version of the term was less pejorative and described a movement that brought about the creation and development of the State of Israel. Since you are too dense to appreciate the recent manner in which the term is used, it is not a surprise you failed to connect the significance of the article. Instead, you continue to show that you a just a more articulate version of Jack Horner by asking if I can read Warner's mind.
Aside from the fact that you are also unable to read his mind and therefore unable to prove or disprove my theory that Warner's "blame the Jews"- like comment were the words of a desperate man grasping at straws and using racial politics to salvage support. But I suppose in your world, not being a clairvoyant disqualifies one from forming an opinion; even one that calls out an obviously racist sentiment issued by a government minister.
I am not the one "aligning the term with radicalism"... any movement which rejects co-existence, and itself advocates the existence of a people at the distinct expense of another people is by definition radical. That's not my definition. This is the reason why Israelis who are in favor of a two-nation state reject the application of the term to describe all Israelis. It has nothing to do with your imaginary "Jewish Cabal" or "mudmen" talk.
Now you want to draw some tenuous association with me and Jack Horner because I stated the obvious... it is clear that you are ascribing some motive to Jack that's not apparent in his words... the logical conclusion is that you presume to know what's in his mind, only a fool would deny that. You then trumpet this notion that I am unable to disprove your "theory" about Jack... when in fact your 'theory' is of no interest to me.
You are so twisted up in your own bs that you can't remember that you were the one who offered a definition of Zionism that is aligned with radicalism. Israeli's reject the term Zionism because it has been co-opted by the likes of Ahmadinijad and other Holocaust deniers who ascribe all ills of the world to Jewish "domination" of finance and media. The few right wing Israelis who still embrace the term do so for completely different reasons than what you claim. I can assure you that Warner didn't raise the term to establish his position of the Israeli/Palestinian question. If you don't understand the context of his words, that's your problem.
If you don't care about the theories of folks who believe that Warner's words and actions are righteous-challenged, why are you responding?
....de man mention de "...Queen of Hearts..." in de third person...like he eh realise it actually IS de Queen of Hearts he engaging.
You are obviously NOT aware of what you said.
Universal and inherent? Once again, where is your proof? So enamored with your own existence, you cannot understand that your words and claims alone have no merit and only amounts to pablum. You can resort to whatever name calling and dismissive rants that would make the Queen of Hearts proud all you want. The fact is you haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your position. The great bakes speaks all who listen bow down and tremble!
If you can't show proof of your claims, don't bother to respond. Lightweight.
You are obviously NOT aware of what you said.
Universal and inherent? Once again, where is your proof? So enamored with your own existence, you cannot understand that your words and claims alone have no merit and only amounts to pablum. You can resort to whatever name calling and dismissive rants that would make the Queen of Hearts proud all you want. The fact is you haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your position. The great bakes speaks all who listen bow down and tremble!
If you can't show proof of your claims, don't bother to respond. Lightweight.
Jackass what yuh want me to do... quote de internet fuh yuh? just do a casual search any number of hit would confirm the radicalism inherent in zionism. You and that next ass-sniffer Mango Chow go have to come better than that queen of hearts talk to really upset me.
"better" is nt necessary, it just a little more imaginative and creative than the bitch I know yuh to be. Bring yuh mudder ass leh meh sniff dat fuh yuh.
"better" is nt necessary, it just a little more imaginative and creative than the bitch I know yuh to be. Bring yuh mudder ass leh meh sniff dat fuh yuh.
I'm sure yuh'd really enjoy nothing better than that.
Jackass what yuh want me to do... quote de internet fuh yuh? just do a casual search any number of hit would confirm the radicalism inherent in zionism. You and that next ass-sniffer Mango Chow go have to come better than that queen of hearts talk to really upset me.
No but we want you to get ya head out of your backside. Maybe then you would figure how off-based you are. If that doesn't help here is what a "casual search" Google offered as its first selection in the search phrase "Zionism definition"
http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Zionism&o=0&l=dir
See anything referring to radicalism or radical agendas? Didn't think so. Thanks for your effort.
Half-wit, you expect to find "radicalism" or "radical agendas" in the definition? Does dictionary.com provide a definition that references "mudmen" or "Jewish Cabal"??
Since you need to be lead by the hand like the simpleton you are...
Jews against Zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/history.cfm)
Revisionist Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism)
Revisionist Zionism is a nationalist faction within the Zionist movement. It is the founding ideology of the non-religious right in Israel, and was the chief ideological competitor to the dominant socialist Labor Zionism. Revisionism is represented primarily by the Likud Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud).
Anti-Defamation League[/url]...
"Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel."
That ought to get you started... once you finish your search for a definition that includes "mudmen" and "Jewish Cabal" of course.
I say he isn't all wrong.
.....this thread seems to have gotten awfully quiet all of a sudden.
.....this thread seems to have gotten awfully quiet all of a sudden.
It got a bit boring when the topic strayed from T&T to the Middle East!!
Not surprising then to see Tempo pushing that talk and Mango Chow like ah maccomere man instigating talk on the side.
Moving on...
Zionism is dominated by the nationalist movement in Israel, this is why more and more settlements are being built illegally in the West Bank. The ADL asserts that Zionism is the guiding nationalist movement... and this is what nationalism is today. These settlements are the chief reason why there can't be peace today, because the Likud government of Netanyahu believe Jerusalem should be Jewish and not shared. They specifically reject co-existence. These positions have been condemned by all of Israel's allies, including the US, the UK... and by the UN.
Everyone outside of Israel, and many within recognize these acts/stances as radical, extreme, provocative... call it what you will. Zionism ceased to be about "establishing a Jewish home state" 60 yrs ago when the State of Israel was established. I could go on arguing and offering all the links I want but in the end it will only lead to more ole talk. At the end of the day no one knows what Jack really meant when he mentioned Zionism in his remarks... but to just dismiss concerns about Zionism as some zany, fringe lunatic talk is plain foolish. Not surprising then to see Tempo pushing that talk and Mango Chow like ah maccomere man instigating talk on the side.
Moving on...
Should be in the press today.
Should be in the press today.
Doh hold your breath......
As for the part about him lying. I always remember how de man went on national radio and lie TWICE about the number of players still to collect money!! Bold faced, bold faced....just so, cool, cool.....normel, normel.....the man psycho!!....
Should be in the press today.
Doh hold your breath......
As for the part about him lying. I always remember how de man went on national radio and lie TWICE about the number of players still to collect money!! Bold faced, bold faced....just so, cool, cool.....normel, normel.....the man psycho!!....
I hear James Saunders may cover this tonite and the BBC are on it too.
It was shown as the third sports story after West Indies cricket defeat and the award of contracts to cricketers. They mentioned the accounts but did not show them!!
It was shown as the third sports story after West Indies cricket defeat and the award of contracts to cricketers. They mentioned the accounts but did not show them!!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
What yuh expect??!! Is CNMG after all, PP propaganda station.......well at least they did comment on it. We should be grateful..... ::) ::)
Woe unto Warner
By Marlon Miller Express
Story Created: Oct 22, 2011
MANY people can't help but like Jack Warner. He's charismatic, helpful, and gets things done when others have failed. But there's a lot of perception involved in all of this, a lot of smoke and mirrors.
There is no doubt, though, that Warner did well in rising through the ranks of FIFA, right up to the post of vice-president, working under Joao Havelange and then his successor, Sepp Blatter, bringing along the votes of the Caribbean Football Union and CONCACAF to keep those two gentlemen in the highest office of arguably the world's most powerful sporting organisation.
But after all these years, you would think that Warner would know that one of the other "man rats" would kick him out of the hole if he ever crossed his path.
So did Warner believe he was so big that his one-time ally Blatter would sit idly by while he was courted by Mohamed bin Hammam, the man who had his eye on the FIFA presidency and was seeking to displace the long-standing incumbent?
Blatter might have the look of a schoolteacher and not appear to be suited to hold down such a position, calling the shots at the helm of the beautiful game, but he was not ready to ease his hold on the reins of FIFA, which controls so many billions in television and corporate contracts.
So where did Warner drop his guard and play into the hands of his former buddy, who he has wined and dined on his many visits to Trinidad and Tobago over the years?
Did he really think that because Blatter handed out "gifts", with Jack and Mohamed at his side, on his jet-setting jaunts to rally support for his previous election campaigns that Warner would be able to do the same this time around?
That Blatter would step back while his former confidant seemed to be swinging to the other side and about to jump ship?
How could Warner think that he could get away with what was standard procedure for the president with so much at stake?
It must have been a strong dose of over-confidence that got the better of Jack and made him play into Blatter's hands, Sepp getting rid of two other man rats with one fell swoop.
And Blatter caught him so good that Warner was forced to resign in disgrace just before that contentious election last June.
Oh the ignominy, the shame and embarrassment. And worst of all, Jack had to give up all that power and influence, far less the perks, even though he didn't do anything wrong... or so he claims.
And what must be grinding Warner even more is that the man who orchestrated his downfall, who sold him out to Blatter, is none other than another long-time confidant in the rotund shape of Chuck Blazer, the beefy, bearded American who had run the CONCACAF office in New York in cahoots with Warner.
Talk about getting stabbed in the back!
Now, on the outside looking in, Warner is alluding to Blazer's many shortcomings, including his "addiction to the stock market".
But how come that wasn't a problem when they were both working together, as CONCACAF president and general secretary?
And the same goes for Blatter, who granted Trinidad and Tobago the rights to host two junior FIFA World Cup tournaments over the years, but all of a sudden is being made out to be such a vile, remorseless character.
Sure, it may all be true, but it sounds more like sour grapes to me, with Warner crying wolf long after the fact, when he has been forced out of the hole by a bigger man rat.
Don't get me wrong, though. I, too, couldn't help but like good, old Jack, who was most co-operative when I begged his indulgence in Kaiserslautern just before Trinidad and Tobago's game against Paraguay at the 2006 World Cup in Germany.
TV6 wanted me to interview Mr Warner before the game, but I had to go and find him up in the stands, where he was playing host to President George Maxwell Richards. I then had to ask him to follow me to a television booth on the other side of the stadium, where everything was set up to tape the interview and send it via satellite to the studios at Express House in Port of Spain.
Jack was suffering from the flu that day and was really under the weather. I could remember running down onto the field, then having to wait for him to catch up with me as he moved slowly through the crowd, with me panicking that we had just a two-minute window to do the interview and the satellite booked for a certain time.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, we got it donealthough there was some screw-up in the transmission back to Trinidadand I was forever grateful to Mr Warner and wondered how so many people could say so many bad things about such a nice, helpful fellow.
Then we got back to T&T and he tried to renege on paying the Soca Warriors a share of the huge amount of money the players generated by qualifying for the World Cup... and bringing honour and glory and so much recognition to our twin-island republic.
And the Warriors had to take Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation to court to get what was promised to the team. And five years later, they still haven't got it.
So Mr Warner could sing like a canary about all that is evil in FIFA, and how he was made a scapegoat, but the bottom line on that particular issue is that two wrongs don't make a right.
And until he and the TTFF pay the Soca Warriors, I can't help but not like him.
We have been left with no other alternative but to begin bankruptcy proceedings against the TTFF to recover the money owed to us. Also, these proceedings will allow the an insolvency practioner to carefully scrutinise how every dollar was spent and examine the various accounts money may have entered.
This is not about Money for Jack..... he have money, in fact he spending a big bunch trying to win the case,
This is about spite.
he refuse on his principle to give the money.
somepeople just dont know how to lose.
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....
(http://i43.tinypic.com/nfjgq1.jpg)
Mr Warner and princess Rehana circa 2010.
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....
Except Corzine didn't make any money disappear... did he? Like most right-wing nutjob Republican sound bites... makes for a nice lead-in on Faux News, but completely lacking in basis.
Guardian Link (http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2011/12/25/sixth-christmas-and-no-ttff)
Express Link (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/BANKRUPTCY-136194093.html)
Stabroek Link (http://www.stabroeknews.com/2011/news/breaking-news/12/25/soca-warriors-threaten-to-begin-proceedings-against-tt-football-federation/)
Now ah happen to be listening to I95.5fm this evening when the sports news report came on. They included a report on some function the TTFF had for the U-23's and U-17 girls and Anthony Harford came on and said a few words. His speech touched on the financial situation with the TTFF. He stated that he sat down with KPMG and KPMG has confirmed/verified that ALL IS IN ORDER WITH THE TTFF'S BOOKS. ??? :-\ He said the TTFF has a cash flow problem but that in essence all is in order.
Now he may have been referring to the accounts for the period he was running the show, but going back to the accounts in 2006, I know that it was reported that KPMG has said they can comment on the TTFF's books as being accurate however it the "other" books that they can't comment on.
Now knowing how the general public out there clueless about anything TTFF vs. 2006 Soca Warriors court battle, a less informed person listening to Mr. Harford would have been left with the impression that all is indeed in order over at the TTFF.......so let we say the players levy January morning, wouldn't it sound contradictory?? hhhhhhmmmm.......then again, plenty people eh listening to the sports report on I95.5fm at that hour anyway so plenty people eh hear him, but ah just found it a tad curious that he would put that out there, especially what is coming around the corner.....
This is all spin by Harford. It is clear that (on the surface) Watson and Harford are trying to put some distance between TTFF and Warner/Camps. They are repeating the story that KPMG have confirmed TTFF accounts are accurate and its the "parallel accounts" where the problem lies, and this is not the fault of TTFF.
Unfortunately, because there are still barriers between TTFF & the players, they never took the time to try to build a bridge and cooperate. Had they done this, maybe the players would have given a few hints as to what was coming. TTFF and KPMG are going to find it difficult to explain where the TT$14,487,070.50 issued by the Ministry on 1st May 2006 payable to T&T Football Federation which was signed for as received personally by Camps has gone.
I like Harford and I'm sure he's trying very hard to make TTFF transparent, but before you can heal a wound, you must eradicate all of the poison. Trying to gloss over mistakes merely marks you as bad as the original culprit. As they say.....when in a hole - stop digging.
If TTFF want to be viewed as transparent and above board, they need to clean house and assist the courts. KPMG too, have their reputation at stake. Maybe they really did do all that was required, but a statement concerning well documented missing items should be made, if only to protect themselves.
Groden has been identified as signing off on incorrect accounts, but he's still part of the TTFF's "new dawn"
Anyway you look at it, if TTFF really want to project themselves as open, transparent and honest, they should launch an internal enquiry concerning the lost millions and the conduct of TTFF officers and employees still working within TTFF. The results should be made public and any wrongdoing should be punished. They should also be seeking to establish the whereabouts of their missing funds and begin the legal process to recover them. They should also question their responsibility to continue incurring legal fees when it is clear from evidence presented to the courts that the two men who hold all of the answers are no longer associated with TTFF. Indeed, the TTFF legal representatives would be better served by putting together their own case against Camps and Warner, and any others involved in the alleged misplacement of TTFF funds.
Former FIFA Executive Says He Got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email ...Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner said he got the World Cup television rights for Trinidad & Tobago for $1 after helping Sepp Blatter get elected president of the soccer ruling body.
Warner, who quit world soccers governing body in June after accusations of bribery, said today in a statement that he got the rights from FIFA in 1998 via a Mexican company and also acquired them for the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions. He used the revenue from selling on the rights to develop the sport in the Caribbean, where hes from, according to the statement.
People overlooking the obvious silver lining.
Former FIFA Executive Says He Got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email ...Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner said he got the World Cup television rights for Trinidad & Tobago for $1 after helping Sepp Blatter get elected president of the soccer ruling body.
Warner, who quit world soccers governing body in June after accusations of bribery, said today in a statement that he got the rights from FIFA in 1998 via a Mexican company and also acquired them for the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions. He used the revenue from selling on the rights to develop the sport in the Caribbean, where hes from, according to the statement.
Come on son...
Sancho & Fenwick just on CNC3. Both saying TTFF should clear house and start again. Also, they should take action to recover the money witheld from them and Anil should be assisting!
uuuuummmmm that he finally admit to bribery..... ??? :-\ *scratches head*
Old news
May 30th 2002
FIFA had written off a $9m loan to the Caribbean and North American football confederation, which is run by Jack Warner, an ally of Mr Blatter's. Mr Warner's own television company had also been given the exclusive television rights in the Caribbean to the last three World Cups for the princely sum of $1.
http://www.economist.com/node/1143080
This is definately a shot across the bows of Blatter and bound to cause embarrassment. However, I'm not sure its a good move by Warner. Its ok exposing Blatter, but then Jack must be confident that he can asccount for the money obtained from the sale of those rights.
uuuuummmmm that he finally admit to bribery..... ??? :-\ *scratches head*
That if he can substantiate the claims it could lead to Blatter's ouster.
jack did develop football in the region.
Center of excellence
U 17 world cup football stadiums
who else build anything football related in the caribbean.
He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.
jack did develop football in the region.
Center of excellence
U 17 world cup football stadiums
who else build anything football related in the caribbean.
He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.
You know building stadia doesn't equal football development, right?
jack did develop football in the region.
Center of excellence
U 17 world cup football stadiums
who else build anything football related in the caribbean.
He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.
jack did develop football in the region.
Center of excellence
U 17 world cup football stadiums
who else build anything football related in the caribbean.
He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.
Fifa denies gifting TV rights to Jack Warner for supporting Sepp Blatter
guardian.co.uk
Fifa has insisted that the awarding of television rights to the former vice-president Jack Warner for as little as $1 had nothing to do with his support for Sepp Blatter.
Warner issued a statement last month saying he was a given the rights for seven World Cups for a minimum fee, and that "President Blatter sold me the World Cup TV rights for 2002 and 2006, no doubt in appreciation of the work I did (with Mohamed bin Hammam) for his re-election."
Fifa has insisted this is not the case, saying: "Such rights were ceded in order to provide an additional source of revenue for football development in the Caribbean Football Union. This had nothing to do with the 1998 or 2002 election campaigns, or with any other election campaign. To imply the contrary is completely false."
Fifa said all TV deals were approved by the marketing and TV board, the finance committee and the executive committee.
The world governing body said the "statement made by Jack A Warner includes several inaccuracies and falsehoods" and that "until 1998 TV rights were provided by the rights-holders for symbolic sums in many territories (for example in Africa), in order to maximise the worldwide television coverage".
However, the Conservative MP Damian Collins, who is campaigning for Fifa reform, said the world governing body had failed to address key issues.
"They have not provided satisfactory answers to these questions at all, especially as to why TV rights to World Cup finals have been handed out to senior members of Fifa's executive committee," said Collins. "There is also no answer as to whether there was any auditing of the income from these rights to ensure they were being used for developing football rather than personal profit.
"This all highlights the need for a clear register of Fifa members' financial interests and that is one area of reform they have not even considered."
FIFA damn lie! If that was the case why Jack had the rights and NOT the CFU?
Lalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.
Justice Rampersad warned that he was mindful of invoking Section 26.1(1)(t) of the Civil Procedures Rules but stopped short of doing so because "for now, that does not arise". He also insisted that he was mindful of "fast approaching" statutory time limits that might make it impossible to initiate legal action against Warner.
rumpersad throwing gun talk about affront to the court while blatantly allowing these TTFF shitongs all the time in the world to scheme and wiggle themselves out of this. when february 10 roll around he better fish he 4kin backbone out the latrine and make some blasted descions
Guys, remember today.
Jack owns the T&T law.
Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.
This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.
Everyone have a price.
And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.
Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.
Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.
Anyone test Jack goes down.
Jack will raise again. !!!!
Guys, remember today.
Jack owns the T&T law.
Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.
This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.
Everyone have a price.
And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.
Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.
Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.
Anyone test Jack goes down.
Jack will raise again. !!!!
And you are so proud of that!!!
Lalla was polite, soft-spoken and not prone to theatrics.
Is Jack footing the legal bills for both himself and the TTFF? If so that is a brilliant move. That could possibly account for the serious resistance against pressuring him for the accounts.
Maybe the folks with legal understanding can answer this question...has the judge ordered Jack to produce accounts for the TTFF or the court by Feb 10, or has he ordered the TTFF to obtain documentation from Jack by Feb 10?
whos de futuristic robocop chick wit jack...he concubine or ah bodyguard?
QuoteLalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.
Somebody have to write ah calypso bout this...
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.
I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.
whos de futuristic robocop chick wit jack...he concubine or ah bodyguard?
Think that is Natasha something who was briefly mayor of Chaguanas?
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.
I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.
I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.
Well, the quote was directly from the judgement. I don't think the judge can order Warner to do anything at this stage aside from submit an affidavit. TTFF is the defendant, so he can order them. I'm not clear of the situation if Warner refuses to answer.
The obvious end game is to keep delaying until the statute of limitations erodes. I think the judge is aware of this. He has clearly quoted precedents where an agent of a defendent could be added to a case and thereby fall under the direct power of the court.
IMO the judge in his judgement gave Warner some clear warnings. One concerned the repercussions of not supplying a full account of the funds and their whereabouts. Another concerned conflict of interest by the lawyers representing Warner/TTFF.
Judge has ordered that "the first defendant shall direct Austin Jack Warner in writing (copied to the claimants attorney-at-law) by 12th January 2012 to file an account of all monies received by him as the first named defendants agent in relation to all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure therefrom arising out of the World Cup 2006 ; such account to be verified by affidavit deposed to by Mr Warner exhibiting all relevant documentation and to be filed and served in these proceedings by 10th February 2012."
I understand this to mean that TTFF must write to Jack to ask where the money is and how much is there, and then provide documentation to validate the figures. Warner will then have to swear an affidavit to confirm its accuracy.
Of course, Jack can say whatever he wants, but if its proved that he lied or tried to be less than honest with the court, he would be at the mercy of the judge.
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.
Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.
Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!
The international press was no less pliable.
Justice Rampersad gave Warner a deadline of February 10 to provide an account of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.
Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.
Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.
Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!
If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented. Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.
Lasana is one of the best investigative sports journalists and an admirable and upright young man! Oh how I wish we had more persons like him instead of those pot hounds that Jack invite at his end of year lime! To make them look even more stupid , he named dishes after them! They should be keeping a close eye and pen on what he is saying! First I heard that the auditor general gave PURE a clean bill of health! Next thing I hear that it is a pack of foolishness and none of the auditors spoke with him on it! Why no one writes about these discrepancies and allow him to blabberi his mouth?
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented. Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.
Yes Bakes, I been meaning to ask over in the next thread....what happens if Jack tell de TTFF "go and ask yuh mudda!!" and eh give dem nutten.....what de TTFF would do?? Turn Jack over on dey knee and give him two slap?? ??? ???
Ah find dat move by de judge kinda funny......... :-\
I think the point is that if Jack doesn't comply, he will be added as a defendant. The judge stated case law why that should not happen because of the defendents application, but then also stated how it can happen at the courts discretion. He also indicated that TTFF should have done this 5 years ago and intimated that he believed it hadn't been done because of a conflict of interest regarding the lawyers.
He also noted the timescale and the statute of limitations.
He has effectively ensured that should it be required, he could add Warner as a defendent and not allow Lalla and friends to defend all 3 parties.
I believe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves without leaving any loopholes. Once he acts, I believe it will be swiftly and without remorse.
I wouldn't say the article is poor or inept... just overwrought, as is his fashion. Coulda do without the references to "The Guard" and Goebbels, they add nothing of substance and come across as Lasana knowledge dropping for the sake of. But dai'z just me.
Aside from that:QuoteThe international press was no less pliable.
Yes, in a very narrow, technical sense, pliable fits. Much better would be "pliant". Pliable relates to a physical quality whereas pliant is used in the more figurative sense.QuoteJustice Rampersad gave Warner a deadline of February 10 to provide an account of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.
If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented. Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.
Yes I nitpicking admittedly, but that's the difference between good and mediocre writing, in my not so humble opinion.
I think the point is that if Jack doesn't comply, he will be added as a defendant. The judge stated case law why that should not happen because of the defendents application, but then also stated how it can happen at the courts discretion. He also indicated that TTFF should have done this 5 years ago and intimated that he believed it hadn't been done because of a conflict of interest regarding the lawyers.
He also noted the timescale and the statute of limitations.
He has effectively ensured that should it be required, he could add Warner as a defendent and not allow Lalla and friends to defend all 3 parties.
I believe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves without leaving any loopholes. Once he acts, I believe it will be swiftly and without remorse.
Listen fella, the judge playing smart with foolishness. Everything you said there might well come to pass... who knows. The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing... just as Brownsugar say, Jack could easily tell dem "go aks yuh mudda." In which case they'll return to court and relay that to the learned judge... and only then at his discretion he'll add him? I'm curious to know what his rationale for NOT adding him was because if he can indeed add him at his discretion then none of the precedents yuh claim he cited (for not adding him) is controlling.
The position you claim he took is inherently contradictory... either the precedents prevent him from adding Jack as a defendant ('a', not 'e'), or it is within his discretion to add him. Anything else just adds another unnecessary layer of delay. How long has this case been before Rampersad? How long did it take him to decide he needed a proper accounting in the first place? And how long he asking for it? Bottom line is that Jack don't even need to be added as a defendant. If a party has information critical to the court, then the court can subpoena him (or the documents) as necessary, without that person becoming a party to the matter. If I see you shoot somebody you think I need to be charged as an accessory in order for them to get me in court to testify as to what I saw? Of course not, they'll just serve my ass with a subpoena and I have to appear under penalty of law. And you appear and say "I was looking the other way and saw nothing"
This is what should have been done with Jack a year ago... come and tell us what you know (and bring yuh accounts with yuh) or face a contempt charge. Easy breezy. But nah... every couple months he have allyuh running up in court like is company he like.
Aye, aye Diamondtrim. Long time no see.....what's up?? ;D
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
...guess you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantlyit must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
...guess you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantlyit must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !
Perhaps I may have erred in being tacit, as I saw not the need to delve into a redundant explanation of my post. This thought seemed accurate enough as posts that followed appeared to grasp what I was getting at.
If, by virtue of my apothegm, I 'overlooked' the 'brilliance' of Liburd's article, I neither offer apologies for my apparent oversight nor do I excuse your ignorance of the article's banality.
Again, Liburd offers nothing new. Just a regurgitation of repeated news sprinkled with the odd quotation. His eagerness to deride JW is inescapable in his writings....a flaw that the honest amongst us can easily afford entrance to their minds.
Unless you are only impressed by the quote attributed to Goebbels, your defence of Liburds article is poor at best and serves nothing more than as an annoyance to my facile temperament.
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.
Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.
Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!
Two ah alyuh bounce up on the maxi stand or wha.
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
...guess you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantlyit must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !
Perhaps I may have erred in being tacit, as I saw not the need to delve into a redundant explanation of my post. This thought seemed accurate enough as posts that followed appeared to grasp what I was getting at.
If, by virtue of my apothegm, I 'overlooked' the 'brilliance' of Liburd's article, I neither offer apologies for my apparent oversight nor do I excuse your ignorance of the article's banality.
Again, Liburd offers nothing new. Just a regurgitation of repeated news sprinkled with the odd quotation. His eagerness to deride JW is inescapable in his writings....a flaw that the honest amongst us can easily afford entrance to their minds.
Unless you are only impressed by the quote attributed to Goebbels, your defence of Liburds article is poor at best and serves nothing more than as an annoyance to my facile temperament.
What total assness. "erred in being tacit?" I really wish you would forever more be tacit on this board.There is also an old Jewish saying - 'Do not look for more honor than your learning merits'.
There is an old Hebrew apophthegm: "Learn to say I do not know." Maybe you can learn from the Hebrews???
And you appear and say "I was looking the other way and saw nothing"
Well fella (this is nice to be friendly) I guess you're right. After all, if the judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk, right? Bakes, you really have to stop confusing the issue for the forumites. Say your piece by all means, but don't confuse facts.
The judges ruling said that because the claimants had requested Warner to be added as a defendant to provide an account and disclosure of documents, there is no need to add him as a defendant, as Warner swore in an affidavit that he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information.
So all TTFF have to do is ask. But they haven't provided proof that they have asked. So now they have been ordered to do so.
Warners lawyers stated that a party should not be added to a case purely for the purpose of discovery. The judge agreed with this. However, he also stated that "clearly this court may add a new party" and he gave the precedents.
The judges position is that Warners only bearing on the case in front of him at this time is one of discovery. Once Warner provides the correct accounts, the Judge can determine how much to award the players. It is not his concern that Warner has witheld funds from TTFF. That is their concern. Once the Judge can make his order for payment to TTFF, his job is done, unless TTFF do not comply. At that point he may take further action. However, should Warners evidence point to witholding of evidence, or collusion, then he may be added.
I'm not a legal guy like you Bakes, but if the judge just added Warner to save time, I'm sure Warners legal team would challenge and cite case law leaving the option of a ruling to be overturned on appeal. But if he follows a prescribed process that leaves no option but to add Warner to allow justice to be done, that appeal will be much harder to overturn, not so?
The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing This statement is totally incorrect from a legal standpoint and the judge actually refers to this and it is at this point the judge refers to collusion and conflict of interest. TTFF could have sued Warner 5 years ago to produce full audited accounts and return of their funds. They just didn't do it (for obvious reasons)
And you appear and say "I was looking the other way and saw nothing"
Don't be an idiot. Follow the analogy before you respond in some ridiculous way. We all know that Jack knows what's going on. We all know he has intimate knowledge as to how the money was spent. I said in my hypothetical "If I SEE you...", there is no guess as to what you know. If you want to appear in court and lie that's you. If Jack want's to appear in court and lie and say he knows nothing about the money then let him. To my larger point, at least you have him giving evidence in court, on the stand, where he can either tell the truth or perjure himself. This is far better than the current circumstance where he and the court are engaged in this two-step from opposite sides of the room, pretending to not notice each other. I never said anything about what evidence he would or wouldn't give... I said he should have been brought into court and made to give the evidence.QuoteWell fella (this is nice to be friendly) I guess you're right. After all, if the judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk, right? Bakes, you really have to stop confusing the issue for the forumites. Say your piece by all means, but don't confuse facts.
Can you please point out for us where I am "confusing the issue for forumites"? While you're at it, point out where I said that if the Judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk." Please learn to read, preferably for comprehension, before you accuse me of confusing anything for anyone.QuoteThe judges ruling said that because the claimants had requested Warner to be added as a defendant to provide an account and disclosure of documents, there is no need to add him as a defendant, as Warner swore in an affidavit that he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information.
So, just because Jack signed an affidavit saying he was prepared to provide the information that means he shouldn't be joined to the suit? Is this the brilliant legal strategy being employed by the players lawyers... or is this your compromised understanding of the process? If you had any sense at all, or understood my beef with what Rampersad is doing, you'd see that this validates my point. Since when does a judge sit idly by and wait for evidence from someone who "promises" to provide evidence... as opposed to sending a subpoena for him to come to court? You want to pretend like you know what I'm talking about when it's clear that it has flown clear over your head.QuoteSo all TTFF have to do is ask. But they haven't provided proof that they have asked. So now they have been ordered to do so.
Warners lawyers stated that a party should not be added to a case purely for the purpose of discovery. The judge agreed with this. However, he also stated that "clearly this court may add a new party" and he gave the precedents.
The judges position is that Warners only bearing on the case in front of him at this time is one of discovery. Once Warner provides the correct accounts, the Judge can determine how much to award the players. It is not his concern that Warner has witheld funds from TTFF. That is their concern. Once the Judge can make his order for payment to TTFF, his job is done, unless TTFF do not comply. At that point he may take further action. However, should Warners evidence point to witholding of evidence, or collusion, then he may be added.
And clearly the players attorneys are happy with this ruling. This is no different from the Ish and Steve rulings... using technicalities to stall, delay and give the advantage to those who least need it. First of all, Warner should have been sued by the players directly, not indirectly thru the TTFF. Just as they sued Camps... who made no promise to them. Secondly, even if Warner's sole purpose is discovery, in light of the frequent delays cause to the plaintiffs by the actions of the defendants, with whom Warner has an agency relationship, the plaintiffs should have petitioned the judge to have Warner subpoenaed. I stated as much 6 months ago. Had he been subpoenaed he would have been in court by now. Instead we have yet another delay, more time given to the TTFF... not even to Warner himself, to get the information, and commence another game of ring around the rosie. Yet you accuse me of "confusing things"? GTFOHWTBSQuoteI'm not a legal guy like you Bakes, but if the judge just added Warner to save time, I'm sure Warners legal team would challenge and cite case law leaving the option of a ruling to be overturned on appeal. But if he follows a prescribed process that leaves no option but to add Warner to allow justice to be done, that appeal will be much harder to overturn, not so?
Again... pay attention to what was stated. IF it is INDEED within the judge's discretion to add Warner as a defendant then does that NOT imply that adding him would be proper? That being the case, what's with the "prescribed process" nonsense? There is already a prescribed process... the judge can add him at his discretion. That in of itself presents no ground for appeal.Quote
The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing This statement is totally incorrect from a legal standpoint and the judge actually refers to this and it is at this point the judge refers to collusion and conflict of interest. TTFF could have sued Warner 5 years ago to produce full audited accounts and return of their funds. They just didn't do it (for obvious reasons)
I'm sorry... and exactly what is your legal expertise? Remind me again, since I clearly missed it the first time. If you don't understand something that is said then ask a question like anyone else before you presume to tell me that what I'm saying is wrong (or "misinforming" for that matter) when clearly I know a great deal more about what I'm saying than you do. I haven't been wrong about a single thing where this case is concerned, beginning with when I predicted (long before your arrival on this forum) that the players would prevail for breach of contract when others saying they had nothing because it wasn't in writing.
Under this current order to the TTFF the TTFF cannot... CANNOT, force Jack to produce anything. Of course they can sue him separate from this current action. No one is talking about any such collateral matters... at least have a sense of understanding as to what my statement pertains before you presume, with your limited understanding, to tell me that I'm wrong. I have no problem being proven wrong... but at least understand what yuh talking about. The current order is to the TTFF to have Jack produce the information. How is the TTFF supposed to force Jack to disclose this information if he tells them to make a turn and... you know the rest. How? Since you clearly know better than I do, what legal mechanism is available to the TTFF to have them force Jack to comply? What penalty/disincentive is there to him should he not cooperate?
Guys, remember today.
Jack owns the T&T law.
Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.
This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.
Everyone have a price.
And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.
Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.
Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.
Anyone test Jack goes down.
Jack will raise again. !!!!
And you are so proud of that!!!
Obviously Deeks. Little Jack Horner sits in Jack's corner.
They are back in court on Friday. Another delay should confirm that this judge is a joke at best. I have never heard of a baliffs confisticating assests by the truckload WHILE a trial is still taking place.
They are back in court on Friday. Another delay should confirm that this judge is a joke at best. I have never heard of a baliffs confisticating assests by the truckload WHILE a trial is still taking place.
Zando, the court ordered an interim payment be made by a certain date and that did not happen. The only option left was to levy on the assets of the TTFF......the players didn't have to wait till the trial is over.
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?
..."Poor TTFF", you say? These men sat there - for years, not just in 2006 - and allowed all kinds of business to be conducted behind their collective back, never asked a question and didn't care to, and now it's "poor TTFF"? There was no collective decision-making but there is certainly collective responsibility...
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?
Warner says the accounts are accurate...thats all there is. So obviously the PNM govt were lying?
STEUPS.
"To qualify for a world cup...it takes 20 years of blood sweat and tears....we would never see trinidad and tobago qualify in our collective livetimes"
" I would like to know where they got this figure of 180 million from...and I would be very glad to pay the difference. They pulled that figure out of a hat."
Damn snake. Sympathy? Steups.Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?
Warner says the accounts are accurate...thats all there is. So obviously the PNM govt were lying?
He say gary hunt say dey get 110 million. So wha bout the money they get for qualifying from FIFA? Especially as FIFA pays travel and hotel accomodations? What about the Adidas money? Money from Carib? Money from TTEC? Money from real different sources....and I supposed to believe that?
Nah man.
He say gary hunt say dey get 110 million. So wha bout the money they get for qualifying from FIFA? Especially as FIFA pays travel and hotel accomodations? What about the Adidas money? Money from Carib? Money from TTEC? Money from real different sources....and I supposed to believe that?
it gone by dem same f'ers dat tryin hell hard to throw him out d party all now.................I feel if dat happen it will break him cause dias all he have left an dey not givin him any room to teef
Nah man.
So...Warner son handle the marketing revenue...and the TTFF eh get a percentage self?
And all those cheques those companies were handing over....who were they handing it over to? TTFF? Warner? De money couldnt just dissapear...where is it?
Wha I miss? Right now dey talking UNC matters.
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
You eh hear Kelvin Jack on Andre Baptiste last night saying that the day of the England game he met Jack in the lobby and ask Jack about the spreadsheet. Jack, still in euphoria after the Sweden game I guess, tell him "Have no fear, I wil show you the spreadsheet and not only are you getting 50% but 60% of everything". Kelvin Jack say the man watch him in his eye and lie to him to his face and now years later trying to deny everything.
Euphoria my ass...
On a slightly different note, a hearing a rumour that the Syrians so powerful not just locally but internationally, that is George Nicholas train his sights on Jack and had enough weight to call the shot on him at the FIFA level, in addition to the UNC level and to protect the judge with this court case. I doh know if strings that large internationally but the timing does coincide with everything falling apart to Jack soon after that confrontation over CAL.
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.
And chag people does treat he like god....
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Sorry I disagree! Jack made every decision at the TTFF, that is the truth of the matter. Camps never made a decision in his life. the TTFF office could not even send a fax without Jack's approval.
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Now tell me if is not a firetrucking mad man we dealing with. He make a deal worth millions based on euphoria??!! What a firetrucking dunce!!! Didn't expect it to come back to bite he tiefing arse!!!
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Now tell me if is not a firetrucking mad man we dealing with. He make a deal worth millions based on euphoria??!! What a firetrucking dunce!!! Didn't expect it to come back to bite he tiefing arse!!!
I could beleive dat...adrenalin was high, johnny walker blue passin, bottle and spoon beatin
He musse promise to make anil ah minister on da same trip
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.
And chag people does treat he like god....
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today.
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today.
Yep so lets c what happen tryin 2 get d legal mind in d family wit NO SUCCESS.
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today.
Yep so lets c what happen tryin 2 get d legal mind in d family wit NO SUCCESS.
So the final day to submit was today, but the next court appearence was scheduled for Feb 14th?
Awwrite. Yuh going back to the credit union on the 14th weary ;D?
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today.
Awwrite. Yuh going back to the credit union on the 14th weary ;D?
:rotfl: D CU not on d same street wit d high court. So I will have 2 go on google map and c what I can visit.
evil...jack wont see god face also
Good job Liburd, continue to expose this demon.
Like Football Supporter is Jack Warner spin doctor or what? Only somebody living in a cave for the last 30 years would believe, dat kaka hole talk. :puking:
Keep up the pressure. Keep on reporting.
Ive seen worse errors made.Keep up the pressure. Keep on reporting.
He should at least endeavor to be more factual in his reporting... Warner didn't ignore any deadline because no deadline was given to him.
Ive seen worse errors made.
...Ive seen worse errors made.
Whether you've seen worse misses the point... inaccuracies are not only distracting, they can be counter productive. This is the second straight article where Lasana has claimed that an order was issued to Jack and he ignored/defied it. This is not at all the case. Next thing Jack comes out in the press and says that's a lie, and that it's part of a campaign of lies by the players etc.
Excellent stuff by Lasana. We are very fortunate to have a multitalented writer with investigative journalism skills who has such integrity, independence, class and commitment to the issues and who has decided he eh taking no brown envelope to keep quiet, who won't be muzzled like others in T&T and is willing to be blacklisted and lose income as he was when persecuted by Jackula. Congrats to him that he was able follow his conscience. Few of us could have had the courage to have have done that. Just ask Coop's.
well yes, camps lawyer gorne home to get shadow benny and pepper
Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
... But Works Minister dodges court summons
Trinidad and Tobago Minister of Works and Transport Jack Warner, the former FIFA Vice President and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Special Advisor, has until February 10, 2012 to provide to the local High Court written accounts of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.
However, Justice Devindra Rampersad ruled this morning, via media conferencing at the Port of Spain High Court, that Warner would not be joined to the civil suit over unpaid bonuses, which pits 13 past and present football players against the TTFF and its former President Oliver Camps. Warner, a former history teacher, may consider the ruling to be a Pyrrhic victorya dangerously expensive triumph.
In an unusual move, Justice Rampersad ruled the TTFF would pay all legal costs despite the fact that attorneys for the "Soca Warriors" were unable to satisfy the court that "at this time... it is necessary to add Mr Warner" to the case.
Defence attorney Om Lalla declared the ruling as "novel" and argued that it ran contrary to "normal principle", despite Justice Rampersad's assertion that he was swayed by the "deplorable" conduct of the defendants. Justice Rampersad permitted Lalla leave to file counter-arguments.
The composition of either team told its own story.
Three of the four local-based claimants, Brent Sancho, Cyd Gray, Anthony Wolfe and Atiba Charles, turned up early and set quietly through the legal proceedings. Aurtis Whitley was the only willful absentee while Kenwyne Jones, Shaka Hislop, Stern John, Kelvin Jack, Avery John, Cornell Glen, Collin Samuel and Evans Wise all reside abroad. Dave De Peiza and Phillip Lamont represented the players aided by George Hislop, father of the World Cup goalkeeper.
On the other side, Warner was otherwise engaged, his lead attorney William McCormick was "unavoidably absent" QC, TTFF General Secretary Richard Groden was absent without leaveLalla suggested Groden might have been wandering through the High Court trying to find Room 19 but he never turned upand Camps sent a message that he was unwell. Lalla could not find an excuse for Camps' attorney, Anabelle Sooklal, who did not turn up either.
"I am not sure why (Sooklal) is not present," he offered.
"Don't you agree that is an affront to the court?" asked Rampersad, in relation to the absences.
Lalla agreed with a nod of the head and promised to "make all attempts" to have them there at the next court date.
There was also a matter of the missing $4.6 million (US$724,000) interim award that should have been paid on October 18, 2011 but, three months later, still had not reached the players. Lalla said he had not "seen the General Secretary".
Lalla was polite, soft-spoken and not prone to theatrics. Yet the complexities of the caseplus the absence of the flamboyant Warnermeant that he was the star attraction. Lalla represents the TTFF (the First Defendant) and Warner (the intended Third Defendant) and, for much of the matter, was also counsel for Camps (the Second Defendant). It is a role that arguably requires a straight face and a measured tongue.
Lalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.
Camps' affidavit, filed on August 24, 2011and the basis for the Warriors' unsuccessful attempt at joining Warner to the casestated that "I have no information or records for (LOC Germany) as this was (...) under the control of special advisor, Mr Jack Warner. The executive and I have made repeated requests for Mr Warner to provide accounts..." The TTFF, represented by Lalla, concurred that only Warner could testify the whereabouts of millions of football cash.
Lalla then arguably disputed the TTFF claim of "repeated (unanswered) requests" by virtue of his follow up affidavit on Warner's behalf, which declared that the former FIFA Vice President was "prepared to provide to the First Defendant the information and documentation relevant to the taking of the accounts".
Since the aggrieved players requested disclosure rather than payment from Warner, Justice Rampersad accepted that the Government MP had already promised to provide the relevant information and therefore ruled it was unnecessary to join him to the case. But the Judge was growing weary of Lalla's double act as well as his unwillingness to get tough and sue himselfthat is, to advise the First Defendant to take legal action against its former Special Advisor.
Justice Rampersad accused the TTFF of sleeping on its responsibility and blasted its "nonchalant and lackadaisical approach" and "contented failure to call for the accounts". He also expressed suspicion at Lalla's presence in the various defense camps as well as the TTFF's inability to substantiate its claims of repeated requests to Warner.
"It is remarkable and quite astounding that, to date, no steps have been taken by the first named defendant to obtain those accounts by compulsion," stated Justice Rampersad, "if, as the second named defendant has deposed, repeated requests have been denied...
"Even more remarkably, both Mr Warner and the first named defendant have retained the same attorneys-at-law to deal with this matter... To me, there is an obvious conflict of interest in circumstances where there exists an order of the court for the provision of accounts and the accounting party throws the blame for failing to fully comply with the order upon its agentboth of whom are represented by the same attorneysyet takes no assertive steps whatsoever to bring the defaulting party to account...
"Had independent attorneys been secured for the (TTFF), it is likely that a greater sense of urgency may have materialized..."
Justice Rampersad warned that he was mindful of invoking Section 26.1(1)(t) of the Civil Procedures Rules but stopped short of doing so because "for now, that does not arise". He also insisted that he was mindful of "fast approaching" statutory time limits that might make it impossible to initiate legal action against Warner.
Warner has four weeks to fulfill his promise to account for the missing World Cup money, which nearly six years later, remains an unspecified sum. Lalla was advised to ensure that Groden gets proper directions to the court room on February 14, 2012 while Justice Rampersad cautioned that he would take "whatever steps" if Camps and his attorney were absent again.
"I cannot allow that," said Justice Rampersad.
Lalla nodded in agree
ment and smiled.
Lasana is an investigative journalist?
steups.......
Lasana is an investigative journalist?
steups.......
Keep the pressure on Liburd.
It must feel strange when you're the only (or one of very few) journalist (s) doing proper investigative reporting and willing to ask the hard questions. I only hope you don't get sacrificed by these evil people.
Talk is cheap. Only people with genuine backbone and heart are willing to stand by their word.
Lasana is an investigative journalist?
steups.......
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: That's funny
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: That's funny
yuh know what ah meant.
Fuad say the court case with the private civil matter......never mind it involves public funds.......aye these people good yes......
But I understand yuh know.......ah mean after all a detailed audit just might see the trail leading to Ross Advertising and any organisations/persons linked with the UNC election campaigns........
But the longest rope have an end........Kamla could run all she want but she cyar hide.....
But why nothing from COP or PNM about this?
It would appear so.But why nothing from COP or PNM about this?
Dread the PNM rel stickin
I have a funny feeling that if and when Jack goes down,the current administration will follow
Just follow the money....
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?
T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.
Again I will say it: Jack bankrolled Kamla's run for PM, she then turns around and hands him the easiest ministry in which funds can be laundered. This is nothing but an asian politricks model (indian provincial politics to be specific). When it comes to managerial and executive brain power, Kamla is simply a dunce! The Economist Mag. has called her out twice on her stance in curbing crime for a small/somewhat semi-self governing state capitalistic country. Since lacking executive skills she has to turn to the one man who has had some semblance of this, and yes that is JACK, after all he was a FIFA's VP. Jack knows that the base of the UNC will never vote for him as leader, and Kamla knows she lacks the ability to be an effective leader. It's easy to see the way Jack has led the TTFF, is the same way in which he as choreographed for Kamla to administrate TnT. Kamla needs jack or she will be exposed for the fool she really is... there is no way she will leave Jack out to dry.
(yes for the all the kamla supporters, deal with it... that woman is an embarrassment to TnT's leadership. I know there are a few Trini Aussies in Perth, please post the interviews she did, she was horrible (like a deer in headlights)
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?
T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.
People rite hear vote 4 d PP and dey know he is a capital K crook. So doh study it.
Unless he did something while in office, I don't expect Kamla to investigate anything.
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?
T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.
People rite hear vote 4 d PP and dey know he is a capital K crook. So doh study it.
oh gorm do rub it een nah.....it was an act of desperation........ :)
Nah d Project Mger on he worse day could neva make me vote PP
http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2012-02-20/allegations-against-warner-tarnishing-tt%E2%80%99s-reputation
A bit of a mishmash of messages but the gist I got was that anyone in or from T&T wishing to see Jack brought to justice risks getting tainted by having our dirty laundry aired in public. If so, this is the type of hand wringing that will cause the country to never get from under the influence of people like Warner.
The recent articles from Lewis suggests that he comes from the David Muhammed, Jamal Shabazz branch of the T&T sports tree of life. I'm tired of hearing that crew raise the issue of race when, as the Haitian aid allegations show, Warner cares about black folks only when it serves his purpose and aims. The landscape of emerging sports administrative talent is frightingly bare.
The only other explanaintion is that Warner and Lalla are totally inept clowns, and that certainly can't be case. Can it?
DIRECTOR!
Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).
Warners questionable suit
Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner sent a pre-action protocol letter to methe Wired868.com editor and publisheron Friday through his attorney Om Lalla.
The legal document, which claimed defamation and libel, was published on the website of State-owned television station, CTV, and re-published on Facebook and several forums before it was even in my possession.
However, there was some confusion among readers as Lallas initial letter quoted the Trinidad Express Newspaper as the publisher of the offending article. A subsequent document was dispatched in care of the TnT Mirror Newspaper.
And, even when Lalla finally got the message to the right person via email, there was no mention of Wired868.
There are two immediate points about Warners claim that the articleentitled Warner named in Haitian aid scandal and published on 12 February 2012caused him serious distress and embarrassment which seem to be undermined here.
In defamation suits, the intention tends to be to block the reproduction of a harmful statement. But, in this case, Warner himself ensured that the supposedly distressing allegations would be rebroadcast by having the letter sent to CTV.
This decision by Warner was especially ironic as the United National Congress (UNC) chairman initially threatened to sue Twitter users for re-tweeting less than ten words from the article yet went on to quote entire paragraphs to the press.
Secondly, Warner's letter quoted three sources of information for the article, which suggested that $4.4 million (US$690,000) from $4.76 million (US$750,000) in emergency aid for Haiti remained unaccounted for.
Warner, through his lawyer, named the UK Sunday Times, FIFA and Federation of Haitian Football (FHF) President Dr Yves Jean-Bart as the originators of a story that was described as "false, malicious and misleading and calculated to damage our client's reputation."
Wired868, after discussions with its attorney, believes that if Warner was as distressed as he claimed he might not have encouraged the offending segments to be re-published. If he was indeed serious about salvaging his reputation, Warner might have also demanded an apology from the UK Sunday Times, FIFA and the FHF who clearly initiated the story.
And, if Lalla treated his client's suit with the gravity suggested by the impending suit, one might expect that he would try to determine exactly who published the article before penning a letter and sending it to several bemused news rooms.
Lalla insisted that Warner be given a "full and unequivocal public retraction... and an apology" which must be published "in both the print and electronic media."
Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/104-warners-questionable-lawsuit):
FS yuh sarcasm might get yuh in trouble :banginghead: is a good thing I know better :frustrated: Lol
Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).
In defamation suits, the intention tends to be to block the reproduction of a harmful statement.
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1
Are you requesting we email someone?
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1
Are you requesting we email someone?
Nah, Warner email the money to haiti, but it went in they spam folder... ::)
The bigger question is, how come after 6 years he cyar produce the same for the 06' warriors?
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1
Are you requesting we email someone?
Nah, Warner email the money to haiti, but it went in they spam folder... ::)
:rotfl:
If jack didn't have anything to hide he would have produced this long ago.
If jack didn't have anything to hide he would have produced this long ago.
Thank yuh !
I didn't even want to bring up the issue of the WC06 monies and accounts...keeping that separate for now.
Why is JW not being investigated by the government??The man financed this government's election campaign so they are not going to go after him unless their back is up against a wall. Only when he becomes an extreme liability then they will get him..right now he's just a nuisance.
I do not understand why a government minister is inovolved in so many corrupted issues and the government turns a blind eye.
Is the government keeping an eye how he is using taxpayer $$??? Seeing that he is mention in high profile corruptions.
The man was seen on video offering bribes what does our gov't do? reward him to stay on as a minister!
Did TnT not learned, from all the corroupted ministers we had int he past?? Lawd only in TnT!
If this government cannot investagate jack or ask him to step down until he clear his name, i would not like to see what else is going on with other ministers and all they do is use their lawyer knowledge, excuses to defend him .
......... oh dear,what can the matter be..
I agree with the plot aspect... I mean, look at the timing of this release ??? ... on the eve of the UNC elections, with the goodly gentleman seekly re-election as Chairman of the Party :frustrated: ... however I don't think iz Gen. Vex... I believe it is the work of the Sinister Slate called UNC Soldiers :devil: who are supporting the main contender to the MOWT ... but I am sure that all will be revealed in the fullness of time :bs: ent?
Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.
This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.
This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.
In which case, Jack will be able to show documented proof of where the money was deposited/donated. It wasn't his money (allegedly)so it should have gone somewhere
This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006 World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006 World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006 World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !
D TTFF eh sue Jack. D players have 2 sue Scamps, Groden and Watson for contempt. D judge will rule on it in May. D saga continues.
When a single man is allowed to wield the level of influence over a sport that Warner did for almost four decades, supported by a cast of unquestioning loyalists, rot and decadence are certain to set in.
In the absence of local records, FIFAs books will tell exactly how well the world governing body rewarded the TTFF, and in whose account the funds were placed. Remember, however, that FIFAs statutes forbid an affiliate country taking the umbrella body to court.
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?
Yep it is 2mor
IT COMTEMPTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
IT COMTEMPTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
:rotfl:
OK. So time for another lesson in court proceedings. I thought that filing a contempt of court charge meant that they would find dey tail in jail like the same day. So what's this "they have until May 31st to respond" all about??
Also, I thought I read somewhere in one of these many threads on the topic that the players still had the option to sue Jack themselves?? ??? :-\
And what dem players waiting on to take Camps's house and car and pay cheque?? Camps and Groden good yes. What a bunch of cowards. And we wonder why the place in mess......with these people as "leaders" what dey leave the rest ah we to do??......
I was informed from a close source that the players are beefing up their legal team some more with some English QC's to add to their current set of lawyers to give them the best possible chance to put certain officials behind bars.. The players are determined to see certain officials pay a heavy price for not paying their entitlement and accounting for tax payers money.
I was informed from a close source that the players are beefing up their legal team some more with some English QC's to add to their current set of lawyers to give them the best possible chance to put certain officials behind bars.. The players are determined to see certain officials pay a heavy price for not paying their entitlement and accounting for tax payers money.
A football federation that DOESN'T know how much money they have and how much was raised during the WC campaign.
And they want to keep their jobs.
I can only shake my head. What do we have to do to get rid of these people. :frustrated: :frustrated: ::) ::) :banginghead: :banginghead:
VB
good fuh we
And didn't some of his assistants testify they took some of the money back and he put it in his draw in his constituency office? And didn't Groden testify that Camps asked him to tell lies to FIFA about the bribes?
I guess there was not enough political will to aggressively investigate thouroughly.
The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.
And didn't some of his assistants testify they took some of the money back and he put it in his draw in his constituency office? And didn't Groden testify that Camps asked him to tell lies to FIFA about the bribes?
I guess there was not enough political will to aggressively investigate thouroughly.
Some ah allyuh need to pay closer attention:QuoteThe Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.
I don't pretend to speak for Gaspard, but note he never said that bribery never occurred. As I have been stating all along, Jack committed no crime (assuming he did distribute the cash for votes)... this activity took place in his private role as a FIFA/football executive. He would have had to pay or accept the bribe in some matter related to the performance of his role as a public official for there to be a crime. What he did might be unethical, but it is not illegal. So all this shit talk about "political will to investigate" is just that. I'm not at all surprised by any of this.
I coulda swear I see a video where he tell everybody to take the money. He even make sure and ask if any journalists were in the room.
VB
*steuuups*
I goin an start printin up some 'jack will raise again' t-shirts oui
*steuuups*
I goin an start printin up some 'jack will raise again' t-shirts oui
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
What is bribery?
In some countries it is considered a criminal act and in other countries it is considered legal. The forms that bribery take are too numerous to mention, but in most cases if not all, the briber holds a powerful role and controls the transacion.
According to the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption of the Council of Europe, bribery can be considered as:
(I) the promising, offering, requesting, receiving, or giving by any person, directly or indirectly, of any undue advantage (to any public official or by any public official) for himself, or herself, or for anyone else, or the acceptance of offer or a promise of such an advantage, to act or refrain from acting in the exercise of his or her functions.
Yes, the DPP may have cleared you because the Commissioner of Police dropped the investigation into your bribery charges, but the stench of corruption is still hanging over your head like a dark cloud and everytime you open your mouth shit comes out. You may feel vindicated by a police service that is either incompetent or just lazy and unprofessional and a DPP office that is mired in corruption cases that haven't been solved since Jesus was a baby and grateful for a PM for having faith in you, a PM who sees you as God's gift to politics in Trinidad, but you were guilty of influence peddling and in some countries that carries serious consequences.
You are not vindicated you are fortunate.
Buckle up your seat belt boss and be patient because I intend to test your patience, over and over, and I can be very silly, you don't know the half of it, but if that tests your patience as well then that is nice to know. Don't end up as one if the patients in St. Ann's.What is bribery?
In some countries it is considered a criminal act and in other countries it is considered legal. The forms that bribery take are too numerous to mention, but in most cases if not all, the briber holds a powerful role and controls the transacion.
According to the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption of the Council of Europe, bribery can be considered as:
(I) the promising, offering, requesting, receiving, or giving by any person, directly or indirectly, of any undue advantage (to any public official or by any public official) for himself, or herself, or for anyone else, or the acceptance of offer or a promise of such an advantage, to act or refrain from acting in the exercise of his or her functions.
Yes, the DPP may have cleared you because the Commissioner of Police dropped the investigation into your bribery charges, but the stench of corruption is still hanging over your head like a dark cloud and everytime you open your mouth shit comes out. You may feel vindicated by a police service that is either incompetent or just lazy and unprofessional and a DPP office that is mired in corruption cases that haven't been solved since Jesus was a baby and grateful for a PM for having faith in you, a PM who sees you as God's gift to politics in Trinidad, but you were guilty of influence peddling and in some countries that carries serious consequences.
You are not vindicated you are fortunate.
Some ah allyuh does really test people patience yes. For starters the DPP's office didn't clear Jack b/c the Police Commissioner dropped the case. The Police Service takes instructions from the DPP, not the other way around. The DPP saw that there was no evidence of a crime having been committed and instructed the police to don't bother wasn't time continuing the investigation. Silly also to suggest that this outcome was influenced by the DPP's office being "mired in corruption
cases."
Some ah allyuh just need to accept that the alleged cash for votes exchange was not a crime.
But what we don't know was if the cash that was distributed was brought into the country by Bin Hamman himself.
Jack self coulda get the cash for him through whatever means down here and no laws could have been broken.
What is the issue? That Bin Hamman give away money? That if he did walk with it in a suitcase after hopping off his private jet he was supposed to tick the lil box at the back of the immigration form and say Yeah I declaring this?
Breds them men operating in a different world, they ent chupid and in this "nayshun" they above the law.
That amount of cash while big for some of us is chump change to others.
They have man with that and more in they mattress put down.
Again nothing will come to it, Jack done get his lettuce leaf whipping already.
I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.
But what we don't know was if the cash that was distributed was brought into the country by Bin Hamman himself.
Jack self coulda get the cash for him through whatever means down here and no laws could have been broken.
What is the issue? That Bin Hamman give away money? That if he did walk with it in a suitcase after hopping off his private jet he was supposed to tick the lil box at the back of the immigration form and say Yeah I declaring this?
Breds them men operating in a different world, they ent chupid and in this "nayshun" they above the law.
That amount of cash while big for some of us is chump change to others.
They have man with that and more in they mattress put down.
Again nothing will come to it, Jack done get his lettuce leaf whipping already.
I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.
Dis blasted PNM DPP
I coulda swear I see a video where he tell everybody to take the money. He even make sure and ask if any journalists were in the room.
VB
and who playing pious could go and open a church
And thats the sad thing. Imagine how powerful T&T could be if Jack had stayed clear of these accusations and was a respected international political leader? Maybe Jack has lived well, but think how much better the people of T&T could be living. Real waste of talent and intelligence.
Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch:-[ :Police: :Police: :Police: :waiting: :Police:
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.
READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
And that's the sad thing. Imagine how powerful T&T could be if Jack had stayed clear of these accusations and was a respected international political leader? Maybe Jack has lived well, but think how much better the people of T&T could be living. Real waste of talent and intelligence.
Your antipathy towards Jack Warner has clouded your objectivity. If you really think Trinidad is any less "powerful" because of this scandal then I have a bridge to sell you.
I say that on the basis of discussions with international business people, most recently at the Caribbean Investment Forum. These people are confused. Ministers like Steven Cadiz are doing a fantastic job to open up new opportunities in diverse enterprises and the same people who are being told that T&T is a safe investment then read that the acting prime minister (a position that is usually bestowed on a politician when the existing prime minister is either disposed or dead) is involved in financial scandals. Whether he's innocent or not does not matter, its the image it projects that shakes the confidence of investors. Yes, other countries suffer the same embarrassments, but they usually deal with them by removing the person in question. No sane person can argue that Jack does not bring embarrassment to this nation, even if he is proved innocent. There is just too much bacchanal associated with Jack.
I'm not sure apathy is the right word. I'm just saddened that his ability to advance T&T has been diminished by his involvement in various incidents.
And I would be interested in purchasing Tower Bridge (not the London Bridge that the yanks bought by mistake!)
I say that on the basis of discussions with international business people, most recently at the Caribbean Investment Forum. These people are confused. Ministers like Steven Cadiz are doing a fantastic job to open up new opportunities in diverse enterprises and the same people who are being told that T&T is a safe investment then read that the acting prime minister (a position that is usually bestowed on a politician when the existing prime minister is either disposed or dead) is involved in financial scandals. Whether he's innocent or not does not matter, its the image it projects that shakes the confidence of investors. Yes, other countries suffer the same embarrassments, but they usually deal with them by removing the person in question. No sane person can argue that Jack does not bring embarrassment to this nation, even if he is proved innocent. There is just too much bacchanal associated with Jack.
I'm not sure apathy is the right word. I'm just saddened that his ability to advance T&T has been diminished by his involvement in various incidents.
And I would be interested in purchasing Tower Bridge (not the London Bridge that the yanks bought by mistake!)
Yes... and investors are scared away from TnT because of Jack Warner... okay, lol
A football federation that DOESN'T know how much money they have and how much was raised during the WC campaign.
And they want to keep their jobs.
I can only shake my head. What do we have to do to get rid of these people. :frustrated: :frustrated: ::) ::) :banginghead: :banginghead:
VB
you did they are now running the government...
I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.
Anyone noticed this (http://http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-05-30/giant-waterfront-flag-costs-88000) under the Guardian article?
I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.
Ah want to believe that this is what fellas like Diamondtrim, Jacka$$Horner and mih cousin in Diego does applaud. Dey know he is a blasted crook, but he real good, so far, at covering his tracks. And we wonder why the place in a mess. We applauding when the crook get away. Ah feel it have something to do with the fact he is a "successful" black man.
I black too and he is a blasted shame not just to the black race, to the human race......*spits on him* nasty, stinking, dutty vampire.....
Edit:
FS, I just realised you and I zeroed in on the exact same thing in Touches' post. Great minds think alike..... ;) ;D
When JW has been deinitively proven to be what most of the forumites believe him to be, and not the subject of vendettas, innuendo, and accusations from spurned professional lovers, only then will I refer to him as crook, bandit, thief etc...........
frown on it? fawn over it? which is it?
JAck is ah f**king bandit and only in T&T is he canonized, other places he would have been shot out of a f**king cannon! :rotfl:
Jack Warner is no damn Robin Hood..he is a damn Bernie Madoff
frown on it? fawn over it? which is it?
JAck is ah f**king bandit and only in T&T is he canonized, other places he would have been shot out of a f**king cannon!
Jack Warner is no damn Robin Hood..he is a damn Bernie Madoff
DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
By Richard Lord (Guardian).
Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard has ordered the termination of investigations into an alleged bribery scandal involving Works Minister Jack Warner in his former capacity as president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) during a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain, on May 10-11, 2011.
The DPPs ruling was conveyed in a letter from the Police Service Commission (PSC), dated May 7, to the Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley. He had written to the PSC last year requesting the matter be investigated by the police.
In his first public comment on the matter yesterday, Warner told the T&T Guardian: I guess that will make Fixin T&T and all my other detractors, including, Opposition MP Fitzgerald Hinds, very unhappy indeed.
Warner said the entire allegation was part of a deliberate campaign designed to demonise me by those who were opposed to me. He said he wont be distracted from his objective to serve the people of T&T as minister.
Warner then said he was very thankful to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for having kept the faith in me. Rowley was among those who publicly called for a police investigation into the allegation last year.
Under the caption: Bribery Allegations against Mr Jack Austin Warner and others at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain, on or about 10th and 11th May 2011, the letter stated in part: The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.
The letter was signed by Mrs A M Andrews, who is the secretary of the PSC, on behalf of the Director of Personnel Administration.
The letter also confirmed that the PSC received a response, by letter dated March 21, 2012 from the Commissioner of Police, on the said police investigations. The PSC said it received the letter on April 12, 2012.
A secret report by FIFAs Ethics Committee, which was published in Emglands Daily Telegraph, said there was comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence to support claims that Warner and former FIFA executive Mohamed Bin Hammam colluded to pay bribes to football officials in the Caribbean for their votes in the then upcoming FIFA presidential elections.
It was alleged that the bribes took place at the CFU meeting when delegates from 25 countries were offered US$40,000 each in cash to vote for Bin Hammam, who was challenging incumbent FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job.
Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA pending the completion of the scheduled hearing of the Ethics Committee. Warner subsequently resigned and his charges were dropped while Bin Hammam was found guilty and banned for life from FIFA.
DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
By Richard Lord (Guardian).
Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard has ordered the termination of investigations into an alleged bribery scandal involving Works Minister Jack Warner in his former capacity as president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) during a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain, on May 10-11, 2011.
The DPPs ruling was conveyed in a letter from the Police Service Commission (PSC), dated May 7, to the Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley. He had written to the PSC last year requesting the matter be investigated by the police.
In his first public comment on the matter yesterday, Warner told the T&T Guardian: I guess that will make Fixin T&T and all my other detractors, including, Opposition MP Fitzgerald Hinds, very unhappy indeed.
Warner said the entire allegation was part of a deliberate campaign designed to demonise me by those who were opposed to me. He said he wont be distracted from his objective to serve the people of T&T as minister.
Warner then said he was very thankful to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for having kept the faith in me. Rowley was among those who publicly called for a police investigation into the allegation last year.
Under the caption: Bribery Allegations against Mr Jack Austin Warner and others at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain, on or about 10th and 11th May 2011, the letter stated in part: The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.
The letter was signed by Mrs A M Andrews, who is the secretary of the PSC, on behalf of the Director of Personnel Administration.
The letter also confirmed that the PSC received a response, by letter dated March 21, 2012 from the Commissioner of Police, on the said police investigations. The PSC said it received the letter on April 12, 2012.
A secret report by FIFAs Ethics Committee, which was published in Emglands Daily Telegraph, said there was comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence to support claims that Warner and former FIFA executive Mohamed Bin Hammam colluded to pay bribes to football officials in the Caribbean for their votes in the then upcoming FIFA presidential elections.
It was alleged that the bribes took place at the CFU meeting when delegates from 25 countries were offered US$40,000 each in cash to vote for Bin Hammam, who was challenging incumbent FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job.
Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA pending the completion of the scheduled hearing of the Ethics Committee. Warner subsequently resigned and his charges were dropped while Bin Hammam was found guilty and banned for life from FIFA.
Apparently, Gaspard's memo to Superintendent Dookie who carried out the investigation, described it as "threadbare" and therefore, based on the evidence provided, could not discern any indications that T&T laws had been broken. However, he said it "may" be necessary to investigate if there had been any breach of the customs act chapter 78.1.
Because Gibbs basically made a statement that misled the public, an investigation of Gibbs' actions should be conducted by PSC, particularly as the person investigated is of such prominence and was appointed to the National Security Council, alongside Gibbs, during the investigation.
:waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :yawning: :justkidding: :justkidding: :justkidding:Groden, Camps served for contempt Warners lawyers keep close watch:-[ :Police: :Police: :Police: :waiting: :Police:
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.
READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
:waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :yawning: :justkidding: :justkidding: :justkidding:Groden, Camps served for contempt Warners lawyers keep close watch:-[ :Police: :Police: :Police: :waiting: :Police:
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.
READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.
Ah want to believe that this is what fellas like Diamondtrim, Jacka$$Horner and mih cousin in Diego does applaud. Dey know he is a blasted crook, but he real good, so far, at covering his tracks. And we wonder why the place in a mess. We applauding when the crook get away. Ah feel it have something to do with the fact he is a "successful" black man.
I black too and he is a blasted shame not just to the black race, to the human race......*spits on him* nasty, stinking, dutty vampire.....
Edit:
FS, I just realised you and I zeroed in on the exact same thing in Touches' post. Great minds think alike..... ;) ;D
Sugar...its not that I applaud JW's alleged crookedness....in fact, in most scenarios I frown upon it; the stark reality of the matter is that I applaud Jack's machinations in a world that very few of us comprehend, far less manoeuvre in.
To assume, or even hope, that such machinations should be premised on honesty or a high degree of morality, is to be naive, ignorant and innocent...traits that do not serve one in good stead in the aforementioned world.
I've long indicated that JW should be applauded for his ascended position in the most powerful organisation on earth, his contribution to CONCACAF and CFU, and his unwavering committment to the upward social and financial mobility of himself and family. How he achieved such is a matter for an entirely different debate.
Some footballers use skill, others strength and some speed of thought. Whether these skillsets produce the desired results is entirely up to them. We can sit on the sideline and deride JW and berate him for his percieved thievery.....but the irrefutable fact is that he has only been tried in the court of public opinion, and the punishment for such a conviction is apparently political power. When JW has been deinitively proven to be what most of the forumites believe him to be, and not the subject of vendettas, innuendo, and accusations from spurned professional lovers, only then will I refer to him as crook, bandit, thief etc...........
Everyone keeps blaming the police and the government, but the people are letting this happen. I honestly don't know how citizens can force the issue when clearly, there is no political will to end corruption. The press and media just let things slide, but somehow the people's attention must be focused on these areas. Nobody is even attempting to hide this misuse of power.
What tortured writing... I could only make it halfway.
What tortured writing... I could only make it halfway.
Notwithstanding the FACT that the police did a shoddy job by not interviewing several persons directly involved in the alleged bribery. I find the taped evidence to be very weak. When I refer to taped evidence I am referring to the tape where Jack is seen and heard addressing the CFU representatives urging them to support Bin Hamman. I saw and heard little to suggest anything close to bribery.
Now added with other evidence I am sure a case could be made if properly investigated.
Again..I was dealing with the TAPED evidence alone. Much is being made of the speech Jack came to the CFU delegates..there was nothing it that to suggest bribery.
Notwithstanding the FACT that the police did a shoddy job by not interviewing several persons directly involved in the alleged bribery. I find the taped evidence to be very weak. When I refer to taped evidence I am referring to the tape where Jack is seen and heard addressing the CFU representatives urging them to support Bin Hamman. I saw and heard little to suggest anything close to bribery.
Now added with other evidence I am sure a case could be made if properly investigated.
Really? There is more than enough to suggest that bribery occurred and that Jack was at the center of it all, implicating himself. That said, Anand is a dangerous man... the DPP never said that there wasn't any evidence of bribery, he said there wasn't enough evidence to suggest that a crime was committed. There is a difference and anyone who insists that there was no bribery only fooling themselves, because they sure not fooling the rest of us. There was bribery and Jack offered it in exchange for votes for Bin Hamman... however this is not a crime, hence no prosecution. This is still conduct unbecoming a public official, let alone a government minister. That the nation's purported Attorney General cannot (or refuses to) acknowledge this is beyond troubling.
A second matter is the violation of the Customs Act. Anand stating that the ONLY person who would have violated it is Bin Hamman since he filed a false declaration. Well that would be true only if BH was the one who brought the cash into the country. At this point we don't know who did, so how can Anand exonerate Jack prematurely? Also, what of the rumors that Jack gave word to Airport authorities to let BH pass thru w/o scrutiny? Has that been investigated? Has Anand (omnipotent and omniscient as he is) determined that this did not take place?
Buckle up TnT... allyuh have 3 more years of these people to contend with.
I wish they could lock him up. But it is not about how we feel. I feel that there was bribery, but could I prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. That is what Anand have to go by. If he don't have that, then we all whistling in the wind.
Again..I was dealing with the TAPED evidence alone. Much is being made of the speech Jack came to the CFU delegates..there was nothing it that to suggest bribery.
I doh even think you yuhself believe that nonsense, lol
Warner says on the video: "When Mohamed Bin Hammam asked to come to the Caribbean he wanted to bring some silver plaques and wooden trophies and bunting and so on, and told me to bring for 30 people would be too much luggage.
"I told him he did not need to bring anything but if he wanted to bring anything to bring something equivalent to the value of the gift that he brought.
"I said to him if you bring cash, I don't want you to give cash to anybody, but when you do you can give it to the CFU and the CFU will give it to his members.
"Because I don't want [it] to even remotely appear that anyone has any obligation to vote for you because of what gifts you have given them, and he fully accepted that."
Warner also says in the video that he would return any money if the officials chose not to keep it.
"I know there are some people here who believe they are more pious than thou," he continued.
"If you are pious go to a church friends, but the fact is that our business is our business.
"If there is anybody here who has a conscience and wishes to send back the money I am willing to take the money and give it back to him at any moment."
Isn't this similar to when a gangster visits a jewellry shop and offers his services to ensure nothing happens to the property? He says "This is a rough area, crime is on the increase, people could get hurt" He doesn't make any kind of threat, but the owner knows that if he doesn't pay up, there will be repercussions.
You can't prosecute anybody for stating negatives. But I believe its against FIFA rules to provide cash gifts without their consent. And Warner would know this and is therefore implicated. Then there is the question of where the money came from. If it was brought into the country undeclared, did Warner know this? And is it his duty as a Cabinet Minister to advise bin Hammam of this?
Plus, there are more damning affidavits confirming more direct involvement.
To me, there seems no apparent way that Warner can be charged by the police. The question is: was he acting in a manner that brings disgrace on the nation? Was this conduct unbecoming of a Minister? Was he following the PP mandate of honesty, integrity and transparency?
AGain, I just looked at that video again, and there is insufficient evidence there to suggest any bribery.
AGain, I just looked at that video again, and there is insufficient evidence there to suggest any bribery.
"Insufficient" in your mind. The average, ordinary reasonable prudent person (ORPP) is likely to conclude that despite his bald pronouncements, the exact purpose of the gifts, in light of the circumstances, gives rise to a presumption that bribery was afoot. But what would I know.
AGAIN! The tape standing alone is NOT sufficient to convict anyone! I already stated that with proper investigation there would be evidence..but the TAPE ALONE...is being made a big deal by many...I listened to it several times and THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of an attempted bribe there. NOT ONE shred of evidence that can stand the scrutinity
at least this on the record. :-[
Warner also spoke about the CONCACAF Centre of Excellence. He said his family bought the land from Norman Sabga, and after the sporting complex was built with FIFA funding, former FIFA president Joao Havelange gave it away as a gift.
"I have in my hand a letter which bequeaths it (CONCACAF Centre of Excellence) to the Caribbean and the Warner family," Warner said. "I have had it (the letter) for 22 years."
Jack Warner is a perfect dictator.
He left T&T football in the same state he got it in 1973, broke, disorganised and lost.
He came on-board, suck de country's resources dry, get what he could get, move up the ladder on the backs of T&T football and then varnish with everything.
I mean, he did what he had to do to make sure T&T was always there but never did it from the good of his heart or the game, but only to his benefit.
Now T&T football is 30 years in the hole.
How can we allow someone to rule for 30 years !!!!!!!!
Do you guys know how impossible it is to get ride of Jack Warner smell even after he is gone. He left a bad sent and destroy we football.
And hear de funny thing, he is doing the same thing to our country, he trying to claw his way to dictate de country and is very successful.
This man has to be the evilest man I know, even though he does do his job, I hope our people dont sleep, because one day we go have to pay de piper.
Every man has to pay one day, he go leave we in a hole.
I pray the 2006 Soca Warriors string this man up, forget Camps, I want Jack Warner blood FIRST.
T&T football never improve in 30 years, imagine that, and this man was de vice president of FIFA and had all de resources on his finger tip to help develop T&T football and never did.
He came on-board, suck de country's resources dry, get what he could get, move up the ladder on the backs of T&T football and then varnish with everything.
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.
fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.
There was not even spots to make the world cup.
If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.
Jack open up the football.
Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.
fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.
There was not even spots to make the world cup.
If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.
Jack open up the football.
Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.
Amen my borther.
We have some very smart people on this message board.
I was starting to think differently before this.
Jack will rise again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jack Horner, you are a regular poster here, posting under a different name, your trolling is very amusing. lolThat kind of remind's me of another forumite with an alter ego. :rotfl:
You gave yourself away. too funny, lol
Thanx Jack, you should have said this 29 and a 1/2 years ago..... ;DI am sorry to say that if Jack had done that 29 and1/2 years ago we would have had nothing to talk about,2006 was our time of glory and we wont be in any WC until at least 2030.Lets see who is willing to work towards TT getting back on track,there is plenty of articulate men around but thats all.Way Shaka an dem,they out off,let them come back if they love TT so much.
Jack: Not me and football again.
Like he really have a choice...
I am sorry to say that if Jack had done that 29 and1/2 years ago we would have had nothing to talk about,2006 was our time of glory and we wont be in any WC until at least 2030.Lets see who is willing to work towards TT getting back on track,there is plenty of articulate men around but thats all.Way Shaka an dem,they out off,let them come back if they love TT so much.
Warners statements to FIFA ........ could not be relied on because Warner was an unreliable witness who appears to be prone to an economy with the truth;
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?
When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammams arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministrys protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport, the CAS said.
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?
When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammams arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministrys protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport, the CAS said.
How is that a "misuse of public office"? That he sent his protocol officer to pick up a Qatari diplomat from the airport?
Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.
Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.
That's nitpicking bro, in real life nobody studying that that hard. In the land of unofficial half days and two hour lunches ent nutten wrong with sendin a staffer to pick up a foreign diplomat from the airport, whether he's on official business or not. That would fly here in the US and even in the UK. If you could send a staffer to pick up lunch you could send him to the airport.
It is rumoured that Anil Roberts is now in England attending the Olympics and that in his absence, Jack Warner will deputise.
Question: If there are any decisions to be made regarding football, who will make them?
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.
I could only roll my eyes at the misplaced focus sometimes... but right you are. This is a non-story, the IRS has no jurisdiction over Jack... file this with the "Warner being investigated by FBI" stories.
So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking ???
So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking ???
1. Tax evasion (even assuming Jack is guilty of that) is not the same as money laundering. Money laundering is, figuratively speaking, taking dirty money (ill-gotten gains; or derived from illegal sources) and 'washing' it thru a series of legitimate transactions. Tax evasion is failure to pay taxes on taxable income, whether illegally derived or not.
2. Highly unlikely that any government would extradite (or seek extradition of) any individual for tax evasion. Can't rule it out, but seems highly unlikely.
3. The IRS can tax anyone, on any income earned in the US, so yes, they can investigate any income Jack earned in the US. By law they can only investigate the previous three tax years. Jack has been out of football for the past year and a half... let alone earning money in the US (presumably thru his football activities). So what period are they allegedly investigating?
It should be noted that the article says that the IRS is investigating CONCACAF... not Jack Warner.
I did say tax evasion or money laundering!! And perhaps I should have made it clear, I was referring to the possibility of someone laundering cash from CONCACAF or not declaring income from CONCACAF for taxation purposes.
Most nations have a dual taxation policy which allows a foreign national to pay tax in his own country if he chooses, providing they are domiciled there. However, that person must prove to the host nation that they are indeed paying tax on the money earned in the host nation. I'm a bit rusty with this now, but it is a common occurance with footballers playing overseas.
Typically, people pay tax in the host nation, particularly in UK where there is a Pay As You Earn system of taxation. However, people with multiple sources of income may prefer to pay one tax bill in their domiciled nation. Hence why multi millionaires become domiciled in tax havens such as Monaco or Cayman Isles. As with all tax issues, it is down to the individual to prove that taxes have been paid, which is simple if you have indeed, paid tax.
So, if you are domiciled in USA, thats where you pay tax, but if you live overseas but get paid by a company in USA (i.e. CONCACAF), you could elect to take a gross payment directly into your overseas bank account. However, if requested by IRS, you are obliged to provide proof that the income is taxed in your homeland.
I agree it is unlikely that the IRS would extradite over a relatively small amount of money, but the IRS is known to persue tax evaders who flee overseas, and most countries take it quite seriously, and I believe in China it carries the death penalty!
But the situation with Warner is a little different as it appears that there are many motivated parties who want to see him charged with something, so, who knows?
At no point in time have I ever tried to make money on football in Trinidad and Tobago, Warner said. I was not banned from football anywhere by anyone at anytime.
Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.
Warner: I never made money from football.
T&T Newsday Reports.
Warner accussed the TTFF of mismanagement, in particular its president Tony Harford. He criticised Harford for taking a 15 percent fee on $11 million in funding, contrasting this with NIBs 1.5 percent fee for billions in projects.
I thought it was wrong to charge 15 percent, Warner said. I dont care what anybody says it was wrong. And that has to change.
Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.
http://www.youtube.com/v/cYkqMT6HKD0
He right...he eh make no money from football, he TAKE money from football!
Big Up!
Warner: I never made money from football.
T&T Newsday Reports.
NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday alleged mismanagement at the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation as he sought to explain a letter written by him urging Sports Minister Anil Roberts to not authorise funds to the entity.
On Friday, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley raised the issue of a letter dated April 20 from Warner, then Works Minister, to Roberts. Rowley said this letter in relation to TTFF funding came amid a FIFA ban of Warner, pending probe into FIFA bribery allegations.
Warner yesterday said he never gained from football at any stage in his career.
At no point in time have I ever tried to make money on football in Trinidad and Tobago, Warner said. I was not banned from football anywhere by anyone at anytime.
No one banned me from football. I have been in football for 29 consecutive years. And everything I have done in my life have been for football. Nobody before me has done more than what I have done for football in this country. And it will take a long time for anybody after me to do that.
Warners statements came amid lingering questions over allegation of bribery in relation to the 2011 FIFA presidential elections in which he has failed to deny handing out thousands in cash to members of the Caribbean Football Union at a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain.
Warner was also involved in a FIFA ticketing scandal where a travel agency tied to his family was alleged to have profited. He was reported to have been made to pay a fine.
While Warner said he was never banned, he was in fact suspended from football last year, during the probe of the bribery investigations, shortly before he quit his plush post as FIFA vice-president in a move which triggered FIFA (for unclear reasons) to end its investigations against him.
Warner also was heavily criticised in a ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport for administering a secret US-dollar football bank account.
Years ago, Warner was criticised for overselling a highly-anticipated football match at the National Stadium.
Warner accussed the TTFF of mismanagement, in particular its president Tony Harford. He criticised Harford for taking a 15 percent fee on $11 million in funding, contrasting this with NIBs 1.5 percent fee for billions in projects.
I thought it was wrong to charge 15 percent, Warner said. I dont care what anybody says it was wrong. And that has to change.
Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.
And I want allyuh to notice the papers who print this. Local based especially.....compare dem and dey daily publications with the other daily newspapers. See if yuh notice their approach.
wow...
wow...
Dat is yuh boi
wow...
Dat is yuh boi
Maybe....but being 'mih boy' doesn't mean that I accept everything.
I've long ago, and numerous times at that, made my feelings clear on JW and his dealings....some I agree with and some I don't. But at some point one begins to wonder if he's sane...literally.
wow...
Dat is yuh boi
Maybe....but being 'mih boy' doesn't mean that I accept everything.
I've long ago, and numerous times at that, made my feelings clear on JW and his dealings....some I agree with and some I don't. But at some point one begins to wonder if he's sane...literally.
uuuuummmmmm....you now beginning to wonder?? ::) ::)
You guys don't get it right.
This is all to show the public that he is doing his job.
Gally did the same and was shown the door quickly, now he is hiding under a rock somewhere in Chaguanas.
Warner is not going anywhere.
Infact, myself and a few others including Mr Warner had a few drinks with the Integrity Commission for Independence, he is a close friend to the family.
You guys don't get it right.
This is all to show the public that he is doing his job.
Gally did the same and was shown the door quickly, now he is hiding under a rock somewhere in Chaguanas.
Warner is not going anywhere.
Infact, myself and a few others including Mr Warner had a few drinks with the Integrity Commission for Independence, he is a close friend to the family.
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.
LolYuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.
Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?
One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.
You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.
Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.
But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.
Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?
One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.
You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.
Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.
But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.
Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?
One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.
You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.
Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.
But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.
In what way? By making it a 4th World Country
Sour pussies supporters will not rest until warner get lock up for something. Even if di man innocent the sour puss dem guh be happy..I know nuff people in jail locked up because of crooked cops.. anyway wah ever happen to manning usuing state fund to build his private temple? he lock up yet ? If warner was backing the sour puss rell ppl will love him here ...
war
Trinidad is in far better shape than it been in many years. can Sour puss do better , dem a run threath on there own supporters in tobago . Sour puss guh never ever run TNT again ppl have risen and dnt want no part of dem anymore.. on manning case remember the police force is PNM yu think sey they guh ever charge Manning wid anything? come on man... anyway mi nuh wah hijack the ppl thread gwan chat..Sour pussies supporters will not rest until warner get lock up for something. Even if di man innocent the sour puss dem guh be happy..I know nuff people in jail locked up because of crooked cops.. anyway wah ever happen to manning usuing state fund to build his private temple? he lock up yet ? If warner was backing the sour puss rell ppl will love him here ...
war
Your head too far up Kamla sour puss to acknowledge the state she have Trinidad in. Yuh calling Manning name... they charge Manning with anything yet? Why not? Who fault is that?
What it take for him to be fired ?
FBI probes Warner on CONCACAF money-laundering allegations
By Asha Javeed (Express).
FBI probes Warner on CONCACAF money-laundering allegations
By Asha Javeed (Express).
PNM Sourpuss again. ::)
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
question for jack warner? are you travel fatigued ? the strange irony is , you have been a globe trotter the world over for many years , however it suddenly appears since all the issues regarding fifa and corruption u no longer travel beyond the boundiries of trinidad and tobago ... u sure do have many questions to answer
Yup, forgot that, but does that mean they can reprimand/go after/charge CONCACAF, but not touch Warner ? In addition I think the total liabilty involved as per failure to pay taxes is to the tune of 2 Mill (Wiki). If Concacaf don't pay, Jack could easily settle out of court, as a matter of fact, TT would probably settle for him, especially as there is a certain level of diplomatic immunity. I feel this is just a case where the People will pay way more than the whole recoup is worth. Like the monies happening over the warriors case, the lawyers and courts done collect way more than theplayers would have recieved.I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
CONCACAF head office & business is / was conducted in the United States
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
FBI conduct investigations in T&T with the Balo kidnapping, and take man back with them...so who is Jack Warner when he conducting illegal activities in the USA?
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
FBI conduct investigations in T&T with the Balo kidnapping, and take man back with them...so who is Jack Warner when he conducting illegal activities in the USA?
Again though, that crime occurred in the US and any investigation conducted was done so with the permission of the TnT government. To Maxg's question, he wasn't sure that any crime was committed by Jack within FBI jurisdiction... which Observer clarified.
You mean the Balram Maharaj kidnapping, True Trini? Bakes, I think that crime happened in Trinidad...think the FBi got involved because he was a US citizen.
You mean the Balram Maharaj kidnapping, True Trini? Bakes, I think that crime happened in Trinidad...think the FBi got involved because he was a US citizen.
Yeah, you are correct on both points... crime happened in TnT and they got involved because Balo was a naturalized US citizen. This case, upon reflection is different from the Jack Warner situation because the FBI never had jurisdiction in TnT or over any of the Trinis involved. What they did (and CAN do) was to get permission from local authorities to come assist with the investigation. They then used the information derived from the joint investigation to form the basis of the charges in the US. US jurisdiction is established in several ways, crime taking place in US territory or where the victim is an American citizen or legal resident.
To compare with Jack's situation, they could ask for and receive permission to come here and investigate Jack just as they did in the murder case... however the critical difference is that they would have direct jurisdiction over Jack because of him allegedly committing a crime in US territory. This would be the same as with the Steve/Ish case... they are alleged to have committed a crime in the US, which would be true even if they had never set foot in the US while committing the crime (for fraud you could stay in yuh house and commit a fraud which primarily takes place in the US). Here Jack's activities are centered around his involvement with CONCACAF in the US.
So he safe for the hour..if past experiences are anything to go by.
anything ever tingle allyuh imagination with regards to this billion dollar highway-jack warner-oas construtura?
anything ever tingle allyuh imagination with regards to this billion dollar highway-jack warner-oas construtura?
What? The same crew who are building the WC stadiums in Brazil? Nah, coincidence.
Ah hear Jack say last nite that d good Dr should hurry up and dead.
UNC had a meeting in Fyzabad Hindu school tonite, jack was introducing one of the representitive from Fyzabad he said we have two Brahamans from Fyzabad and here is your representitive he called the name .
I could be wrong but is this how a politician suppoze to describe a member of parliment in trinbago as a brahaman ,i thought the cast system do not exist in trinbago .
UNC had a meeting in Fyzabad Hindu school tonite, jack was introducing one of the representitive from Fyzabad he said we have two Brahamans from Fyzabad and here is your representitive he called the name .
I could be wrong but is this how a politician suppoze to describe a member of parliment in trinbago as a brahaman ,i thought the cast system do not exist in trinbago .
Brahman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman
Not to be confused with:
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Bra-man.
Not to be confused with:
(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)
Bra-man.
Not to be confused with:
(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)
Bra-man.
My gord! I'm scared for life
Not to be confused with:
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Bra-man.
My gord! I'm scared for life
Think he must have sisters in the UK, I've woke up to similar looking (if not worse) next to me in my younger more alcoholic driven days or rather nights, oh the memories and shame of youth. ;)
Like they really desperate and gone real hard core to their hindu base now
watch the international press for something on jack warner ...coming soon!
watch the international press for something on jack warner ...coming soon!
Stop teasing nah. Men mouth watering for this man to fall.
Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.
Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.
Ah find this tid bit of info interesting.......I could understand why the players would want to settle but if part of the deal involves no further action e.g. they can't refer anything to the fraud squad then I would be a bit disappointed.....Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.
Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.
How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).
$100m & MORE MISSING
It was a tale of treachery that caused a football tsunami the likes of which a vexed Austin Jack Warner had threatened to unleash on the House of FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) after his Zurich face-off with former close ally and FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.
Instead, it swept him away into a sea of much deeper corruption allegations and global law enforcement scrutiny.
Decades-old payments he had made from a CFU (Caribbean Football Union) bank account to an offshore company of another longstanding FIFA friend and confidant turned whistle-blower, Chuck Blazer, had caught the attention of United States authorities probing corruption in international football.
On March 27, Reuters reported that Warners son and business partner, Daryan, had turned cooperating witness to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and US tax authorities, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in connection with a US$500,000 payout made over 20 years.
Minister Warner has refused to address directly whether he is a person of interest or comment on his sons role as a cooperating witness in an FBI football corruption investigation.
Meanwhile, in Panama City, another Pandoras Box revealing more of Warners dark football secrets is set to open at CONCACAFs Congress later this week. This one, too, is said to contain all the makings of a football tsunami of corruption claims and is expected to attract even more law enforcement interest.
The IRS is already digging deep into this particular box of muddled finances which leads right back to the Warner-Blazer duet, according to persons familiar with the situation.
At home, Sunday Express investigations into Warners activities reveal that the once powerful football figure--who had a box seat on the world and access to heads of state, private jets and corporate CEOsused his network of football and political connections to build a family business empire and personal fortune of about $200 million which from all accounts is a conservative estimate.
Some of this money came from cash transfers from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) to bank accounts held in the names of private Warner companies; so-called cash gifts in the tens of millions of dollars; rich World Cup TV broadcast deals run through a Cayman-registered company; World Cup tickets racket and vast flows of income from several sources, including the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya, property rentals and miscellaneous fees from football bodies.
The Member of Parliament (MP) for Chaguanas West, who emerged as the top-ranked cabinet minister in two surveys and served at times as this countrys acting prime minister, has featured in repeated allegations of corruption over the years and up until the events of May 2011 remained an untouchable, protected in the main by his scandal-scarred football boss, Blatter, even from complaints emanating from within the FIFA oligarchy, according to FIFA board minutes seen by this reporter.
The one-time star Government Minister, badly damaged by the Mohamed bin Hammam cash-for-vote affair which was played out on his front lawn at a Port of Spain hotel, has vehemently denied all allegations of wrongdoing but has inexplicably refused to have his day in courteither at the FIFA Ethics Committee hearing or the International Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS)opting instead to quit the bright lights of world football and to stay on the offensive, threatening a tsunami on Blatters House of FIFA and indulging in personal attacks against his detractors.
Even now, in the face of serious questions about financial irregularities in all of the football bodies he presided overCONCACAF, CFU, TTFF and LOC (Local Organising Committee) Germany 2006 LtdWarner, the Minister of National Security in the People's Partnership Government, has refused to address specific questions put to him by this newspaper and has complained instead of being the most vilified public official in the land.
Sunday Express investigations show that the former special adviser to TTFF transferred out tens of millions of dollars from the national football associations bank accounts to a local organising company, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, which was set up by his personal accountant, Kenny Rampersad.
Warner was both a director and chairman of LOC Germany, the corporate vehicle set up to collect money for transfer to TTFFs road to Germany 2006 World Cup campaign. He was also the man calling the shots, according to TTFFs top officials, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.
The two Warner front men were also directors in the February 2004-incorporated entity along with Warners other son, Daryll, and his secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste.
On February 21, 2004, 15 days after LOC Germany opened shop, TTFF special adviser Warner, dispatched a single page of correspondence to LOC Germany. In it, he gave himself via the newly-registered company the power and authority to negotiate all sponsorships, endorsements, match arrangements and other money-spinning opportunities associated with the Soca Warriors qualification for the 2006 World Cup.
Bank statements, payment vouchers and other financial records obtained by the Sunday Express show a reversal of roles between the national football association and its duly-appointed negotiating agent, LOC Germany, with the agent company stripping TTFFs accounts of surplus cash instead of paying out World Cup sponsorship money it had collected to designated accounts.
Documents also reveal that, at times, LOC Germany withdrew funds before it even hit the account.
Financial records show at least TT$100 million of public and private sector funds have gone missing. Tens of millions of dollars in World Cup funds were being tapped from TTFFs bank accounts by the Warner-run LOC Germany entity and by private corporations owned by him, specifically Jamad Ltd, JAW Ltd and Sportel Ltd.
Four sets of financial statements produced in just as many years by Warners accountant-in-chief Rampersad show significant omissions from the balance sheet. Public grants and other sponsorship money that should have gone into TTFFs bank accounts, according to official government records, have simply disappeared.
By the states own calculations, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds were paid to the national football association in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.
The various Rampersad financial statements, however, paint a far more modest picture. They reflect many discrepancies, conflicting numbers and more than $100 million missing in World Cup income.
Michael Townley, the British lawyer pursuing the Soca Warriors claim that Warner and the national football association drastically understated the Warriors
2006 World Cup income, described the financial information provided by TTFF and its accountant as works of fiction.
In pleadings made to a case management conference (CMC) before Justice Devindra Rampersad, Townley told of a tangled tale of opaque and misleading financial records, of the deliberate and continued attempt to conceal tens of millions of dollars to deny the players what is contractually owed to them and of Warners effective control of LOC Germany.
Townley told the court about the hardship of extracting credible information from the TTFF and its rogue" agent Jack Warnereven in the face of legal orders. Townley spoke of the rigged game the football association has played with the court and its disregard for the process of law.
Sponsorship information provided to Townley by the previous administration reveal that $205.6 million in State and private sector contributions were made to the TTFF in support of the Soca Warriors historic 2006 World Cup qualification.
The schedule of payments show that the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs provided just over $60.3 million, government state agencies $21.8 million and private sector corporations, including Atlantic LNG, Adidas, BHP Billiton and British Gas, $88.1 million.
The government disclosure also cited a CHF 7 million (Swiss francs) or TT$35.2 million figure in relation to the qualification grant from FIFA.
But the first Rampersad account, dated October 5, 2006 and addressed to Warner in his capacity as president of CONCACAF (the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean), made no mention of the CHF 7 million FIFA grant or Atlantic LNGs $3 million contribution.
The October statement gives a total sponsorship income of a mere $13 million.
Warners main man of business produced another set of accounts in November 2007 for an arbitration dispute headed to a London courtroom after the players rejected the 2006 financials and a settlement offer of just over $5,000 per player. Rampersads financials were addressed to Om Lalla, a key Warner attorney.
The FIFA grant appears in the 2007 accounts but the figure is trimmed by $1 million or TT$5 million. It also records for the first time a $600,000 grant from government but cuts the sponsorship income to $6.5m million. No explanation is given for these material adjustments.
In 2010, a court order forced the production of a financial statement for LOC Germany but this too contains significant omissions by Rampersad, who declares a total grant and sponsorship income of $54.5 million. More accounting games are played with the production of yet another set of court-ordered financial statements for TTFF in June 2011.
This one too has all the hallmarks of Rampersad, whose stock response to questions relating to the missing millions, built-in conflicts of interest, inflated expenses and understated income was: I am not at liberty to discuss the affairs of my clients, past or present.
He asked the Sunday Express to submit its questions in writing but up to press time there was no response.
The roster of sponsors named in the 2011 accounts show a $1.6 million grant from government and, for the first time in any of the Rampersad-produced accounts, a $250,000 contribution from British Gas.
Atlantic LNG did not make the roster of sponsors and the National Gas Company and BHP Billiton, which had fallen off the previous 2006 TTFF statement, made a return.
The contribution of State telecom giant TSTT tripled from $4 million in 2006 to $12.6 million in 2011.
Adidas, previously listed in 2006 with a $1.8 million contribution, went up to a wholesome $5.8 million in the 2011 filing.
There were other curious statements contained in the financials. Rampersads accounts, in talking about the FIFA CHF 6 million or TT$27.7 million grant, referred to the FIFA money being Due to TTFF although FIFA itself had written Warner as president of TTFF in November 2006 asking for banking instructions.
The November 15 letter, written by FIFAs director of Finance, Markus Kattner, noted: We kindly ask for your confirmation that we can transfer the balance to the official account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation immediately. Please note that we will transfer the balance in USD as per the daily rate of the day of the transaction.
Bank statements obtained through a court-ordered levy on the premises of the now insolvent national football association does not reflect substantial sponsorship funds, including the FIFA World Cup-Germany prize money.
Camps and Groden say their knowledge extends only to the three bank accounts disclosed to the court.
Neither had much to say to the Sunday Express. Camps declined comment, saying his memory was not as good as it used to be and Groden said only: I prefer not to speak without a lawyer.
The two football officials, in affidavits given to the court, have maintained that they knew nothing about the affairs of LOC Germany (although they were both listed as directors), and had no knowledge of anything outside of the information already provided to the court.
TTFFs top officials told the court that Warner not only had exclusive control of LOC Germany but had possession of all of the football associations financial records and company files.
Both men told the court it should look to Warner for an account of company records and other financial information since he was the man in charge and ultimately responsible for the affairs of the football association and its agent company, LOC Germany.
They have refused to go after Warner on the ground that he is a substantial creditor of the TTFF, but have provided no explanation about the circumstances leading to this creditor status.
Bank records for three of the associations accounts show substantial payments in the tens of millions to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and LOC Germany.
Warner has denied that he had a professional client/accountant relationship with Rampersad in a statement filed in the CMC hearing, but conceded that Rampersad was the accountant of several football bodies with which he had been associated, including TTFF, CFU and CONCACAF.
He omitted to say that the accounting briefs were either given directly or recommended by him. He also failed to disclose that Rampersad made a string of cameo appearances as a corporate officer in several of his private corporations.
The Warner affidavit said he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information or documentation relevant to helping the players determine the quantum of income earned during the 2006 World Cup effort so that they could determine what they are truthfully owed, but later told the court via his attorney that he had already provided all of the information in his possession and had nothing more to add.
Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.
Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.
Tomorrow: Part IIthe money trail.
The screws tighten.....
From the mouth of the esteem one comes the cries of 'woe is me' I am the most picked upon ; no gratitude; I am the victim in all this.A.B trini !!! well you could not have said it any better .....
It baffles me as to how one with all these swirling allegations could still maintain public office in such a high portfolio when other ministers have been discharged for far less?
It makes one wonder as to if $$$ was not passed in financing the political campaign which led to this present government reveling in victory therefore rending some as untouchables.
In many ways it is a tragic tale full of sound and fury which need not have to come to this. A tragic figure with flaws exposed has cast a black cloud in what was supposed to be our finest defining moment in our football history. Who is suffering throughout the unraveling of all these allegations?
Is it any wonder that some of our most talented and those who could chose to represent TnT are at arms length? how has these events affected the psyche and morale of our national teams? To ask players to make personal sacrifices and to risk their personal careers and livelihood and then for some to reap the financial benefits is a bitter pill to swallow.
To play on the emotional and financial blood of fans is a travesty. So many willing fans gave up so much to support their country to support players only now to find out that on their backs a lion was growing with pride.
In all of this a figure could have been glorified and held in high regard but now allegations are swirling that may confirm once more the frailty of man. Sad sad indeed for our nation.
Ah find this tid bit of info interesting.......I could understand why the players would want to settle but if part of the deal involves no further action e.g. they can't refer anything to the fraud squad then I would be a bit disappointed.....Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.
Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.
Now would of been a good time to go behind him.
From the mouth of the esteem one comes the cries of 'woe is me' I am the most picked upon ; no gratitude; I am the victim in all this.A.B trini !!! well you could not have said it any better .....
It baffles me as to how one with all these swirling allegations could still maintain public office in such a high portfolio when other ministers have been discharged for far less?
It makes one wonder as to if $$$ was not passed in financing the political campaign which led to this present government reveling in victory therefore rending some as untouchables.
In many ways it is a tragic tale full of sound and fury which need not have to come to this. A tragic figure with flaws exposed has cast a black cloud in what was supposed to be our finest defining moment in our football history. Who is suffering throughout the unraveling of all these allegations?
Is it any wonder that some of our most talented and those who could chose to represent TnT are at arms length? how has these events affected the psyche and morale of our national teams? To ask players to make personal sacrifices and to risk their personal careers and livelihood and then for some to reap the financial benefits is a bitter pill to swallow.
To play on the emotional and financial blood of fans is a travesty. So many willing fans gave up so much to support their country to support players only now to find out that on their backs a lion was growing with pride.
In all of this a figure could have been glorified and held in high regard but now allegations are swirling that may confirm once more the frailty of man. Sad sad indeed for our nation.
How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).
$100m & MORE MISSING
It was a tale of treachery that caused a football tsunami the likes of which a vexed Austin Jack Warner had threatened to unleash on the House of FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) after his Zurich face-off with former close ally and FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.
Instead, it swept him away into a sea of much deeper corruption allegations and global law enforcement scrutiny.
Decades-old payments he had made from a CFU (Caribbean Football Union) bank account to an offshore company of another longstanding FIFA friend and confidant turned whistle-blower, Chuck Blazer, had caught the attention of United States authorities probing corruption in international football.
On March 27, Reuters reported that Warners son and business partner, Daryan, had turned cooperating witness to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and US tax authorities, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in connection with a US$500,000 payout made over 20 years.
Minister Warner has refused to address directly whether he is a person of interest or comment on his sons role as a cooperating witness in an FBI football corruption investigation.
Meanwhile, in Panama City, another Pandoras Box revealing more of Warners dark football secrets is set to open at CONCACAFs Congress later this week. This one, too, is said to contain all the makings of a football tsunami of corruption claims and is expected to attract even more law enforcement interest.
The IRS is already digging deep into this particular box of muddled finances which leads right back to the Warner-Blazer duet, according to persons familiar with the situation.
At home, Sunday Express investigations into Warners activities reveal that the once powerful football figure--who had a box seat on the world and access to heads of state, private jets and corporate CEOsused his network of football and political connections to build a family business empire and personal fortune of about $200 million which from all accounts is a conservative estimate.
Some of this money came from cash transfers from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) to bank accounts held in the names of private Warner companies; so-called cash gifts in the tens of millions of dollars; rich World Cup TV broadcast deals run through a Cayman-registered company; World Cup tickets racket and vast flows of income from several sources, including the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya, property rentals and miscellaneous fees from football bodies.
The Member of Parliament (MP) for Chaguanas West, who emerged as the top-ranked cabinet minister in two surveys and served at times as this countrys acting prime minister, has featured in repeated allegations of corruption over the years and up until the events of May 2011 remained an untouchable, protected in the main by his scandal-scarred football boss, Blatter, even from complaints emanating from within the FIFA oligarchy, according to FIFA board minutes seen by this reporter.
The one-time star Government Minister, badly damaged by the Mohamed bin Hammam cash-for-vote affair which was played out on his front lawn at a Port of Spain hotel, has vehemently denied all allegations of wrongdoing but has inexplicably refused to have his day in courteither at the FIFA Ethics Committee hearing or the International Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS)opting instead to quit the bright lights of world football and to stay on the offensive, threatening a tsunami on Blatters House of FIFA and indulging in personal attacks against his detractors.
Even now, in the face of serious questions about financial irregularities in all of the football bodies he presided overCONCACAF, CFU, TTFF and LOC (Local Organising Committee) Germany 2006 LtdWarner, the Minister of National Security in the People's Partnership Government, has refused to address specific questions put to him by this newspaper and has complained instead of being the most vilified public official in the land.
Sunday Express investigations show that the former special adviser to TTFF transferred out tens of millions of dollars from the national football associations bank accounts to a local organising company, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, which was set up by his personal accountant, Kenny Rampersad.
Warner was both a director and chairman of LOC Germany, the corporate vehicle set up to collect money for transfer to TTFFs road to Germany 2006 World Cup campaign. He was also the man calling the shots, according to TTFFs top officials, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.
The two Warner front men were also directors in the February 2004-incorporated entity along with Warners other son, Daryll, and his secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste.
On February 21, 2004, 15 days after LOC Germany opened shop, TTFF special adviser Warner, dispatched a single page of correspondence to LOC Germany. In it, he gave himself via the newly-registered company the power and authority to negotiate all sponsorships, endorsements, match arrangements and other money-spinning opportunities associated with the Soca Warriors qualification for the 2006 World Cup.
Bank statements, payment vouchers and other financial records obtained by the Sunday Express show a reversal of roles between the national football association and its duly-appointed negotiating agent, LOC Germany, with the agent company stripping TTFFs accounts of surplus cash instead of paying out World Cup sponsorship money it had collected to designated accounts.
Documents also reveal that, at times, LOC Germany withdrew funds before it even hit the account.
Financial records show at least TT$100 million of public and private sector funds have gone missing. Tens of millions of dollars in World Cup funds were being tapped from TTFFs bank accounts by the Warner-run LOC Germany entity and by private corporations owned by him, specifically Jamad Ltd, JAW Ltd and Sportel Ltd.
Four sets of financial statements produced in just as many years by Warners accountant-in-chief Rampersad show significant omissions from the balance sheet. Public grants and other sponsorship money that should have gone into TTFFs bank accounts, according to official government records, have simply disappeared.
By the states own calculations, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds were paid to the national football association in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.
The various Rampersad financial statements, however, paint a far more modest picture. They reflect many discrepancies, conflicting numbers and more than $100 million missing in World Cup income.
Michael Townley, the British lawyer pursuing the Soca Warriors claim that Warner and the national football association drastically understated the Warriors
2006 World Cup income, described the financial information provided by TTFF and its accountant as works of fiction.
In pleadings made to a case management conference (CMC) before Justice Devindra Rampersad, Townley told of a tangled tale of opaque and misleading financial records, of the deliberate and continued attempt to conceal tens of millions of dollars to deny the players what is contractually owed to them and of Warners effective control of LOC Germany.
Townley told the court about the hardship of extracting credible information from the TTFF and its rogue" agent Jack Warnereven in the face of legal orders. Townley spoke of the rigged game the football association has played with the court and its disregard for the process of law.
Sponsorship information provided to Townley by the previous administration reveal that $205.6 million in State and private sector contributions were made to the TTFF in support of the Soca Warriors historic 2006 World Cup qualification.
The schedule of payments show that the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs provided just over $60.3 million, government state agencies $21.8 million and private sector corporations, including Atlantic LNG, Adidas, BHP Billiton and British Gas, $88.1 million.
The government disclosure also cited a CHF 7 million (Swiss francs) or TT$35.2 million figure in relation to the qualification grant from FIFA.
But the first Rampersad account, dated October 5, 2006 and addressed to Warner in his capacity as president of CONCACAF (the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean), made no mention of the CHF 7 million FIFA grant or Atlantic LNGs $3 million contribution.
The October statement gives a total sponsorship income of a mere $13 million.
Warners main man of business produced another set of accounts in November 2007 for an arbitration dispute headed to a London courtroom after the players rejected the 2006 financials and a settlement offer of just over $5,000 per player. Rampersads financials were addressed to Om Lalla, a key Warner attorney.
The FIFA grant appears in the 2007 accounts but the figure is trimmed by $1 million or TT$5 million. It also records for the first time a $600,000 grant from government but cuts the sponsorship income to $6.5m million. No explanation is given for these material adjustments.
In 2010, a court order forced the production of a financial statement for LOC Germany but this too contains significant omissions by Rampersad, who declares a total grant and sponsorship income of $54.5 million. More accounting games are played with the production of yet another set of court-ordered financial statements for TTFF in June 2011.
This one too has all the hallmarks of Rampersad, whose stock response to questions relating to the missing millions, built-in conflicts of interest, inflated expenses and understated income was: I am not at liberty to discuss the affairs of my clients, past or present.
He asked the Sunday Express to submit its questions in writing but up to press time there was no response.
The roster of sponsors named in the 2011 accounts show a $1.6 million grant from government and, for the first time in any of the Rampersad-produced accounts, a $250,000 contribution from British Gas.
Atlantic LNG did not make the roster of sponsors and the National Gas Company and BHP Billiton, which had fallen off the previous 2006 TTFF statement, made a return.
The contribution of State telecom giant TSTT tripled from $4 million in 2006 to $12.6 million in 2011.
Adidas, previously listed in 2006 with a $1.8 million contribution, went up to a wholesome $5.8 million in the 2011 filing.
There were other curious statements contained in the financials. Rampersads accounts, in talking about the FIFA CHF 6 million or TT$27.7 million grant, referred to the FIFA money being Due to TTFF although FIFA itself had written Warner as president of TTFF in November 2006 asking for banking instructions.
The November 15 letter, written by FIFAs director of Finance, Markus Kattner, noted: We kindly ask for your confirmation that we can transfer the balance to the official account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation immediately. Please note that we will transfer the balance in USD as per the daily rate of the day of the transaction.
Bank statements obtained through a court-ordered levy on the premises of the now insolvent national football association does not reflect substantial sponsorship funds, including the FIFA World Cup-Germany prize money.
Camps and Groden say their knowledge extends only to the three bank accounts disclosed to the court.
Neither had much to say to the Sunday Express. Camps declined comment, saying his memory was not as good as it used to be and Groden said only: I prefer not to speak without a lawyer.
The two football officials, in affidavits given to the court, have maintained that they knew nothing about the affairs of LOC Germany (although they were both listed as directors), and had no knowledge of anything outside of the information already provided to the court.
TTFFs top officials told the court that Warner not only had exclusive control of LOC Germany but had possession of all of the football associations financial records and company files.
Both men told the court it should look to Warner for an account of company records and other financial information since he was the man in charge and ultimately responsible for the affairs of the football association and its agent company, LOC Germany.
They have refused to go after Warner on the ground that he is a substantial creditor of the TTFF, but have provided no explanation about the circumstances leading to this creditor status.
Bank records for three of the associations accounts show substantial payments in the tens of millions to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and LOC Germany.
Warner has denied that he had a professional client/accountant relationship with Rampersad in a statement filed in the CMC hearing, but conceded that Rampersad was the accountant of several football bodies with which he had been associated, including TTFF, CFU and CONCACAF.
He omitted to say that the accounting briefs were either given directly or recommended by him. He also failed to disclose that Rampersad made a string of cameo appearances as a corporate officer in several of his private corporations.
The Warner affidavit said he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information or documentation relevant to helping the players determine the quantum of income earned during the 2006 World Cup effort so that they could determine what they are truthfully owed, but later told the court via his attorney that he had already provided all of the information in his possession and had nothing more to add.
Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.
Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.
Tomorrow: Part IIthe money trail.
Forumites here may like to note the role they played in this by their initial uncovering, back in 2007, of sponsorship deals. You guys scratched the surface and started a chain of events that could end who knows where. :beermug:
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.
People could make dey points however they please. Relax yuh self and keep it moving.
How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).
$100m & MORE MISSING
It was a tale of treachery ................
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.
People could make dey points however they please. Relax yuh self and keep it moving.
nah but seriously chow it does really make reading through kinda annoying they can delete most of the article and add "stops" when dey quote it like below....it helps readabilityHow Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).
$100m & MORE MISSING
It was a tale of treachery ................
... dreamer going to real enjoy breakfast dis morning ;D ... and why not? Quite an article!
Finally these stories getting the front page headlines as it should be.
The info may be shocking to john public but the exact contents have been published here almost 6 years ago.
This is arguably more grotesque than Piarco and UdecoTT combined. A national scandal, Jack Warner is an absolute disgrace to the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
I wonder how he sleeps at night, the fact that he has deprived young men and women of the resources to maximize their potential through football by his own greed. I sometimes try to rationalize his actions, his entry into national public life, was it an attempt to balance his actions previously, pious declarations of $1 salary and positioning himself as some kind of hero.
Disgusting
I am sure you are right Weary. Better late than never.
Ok..so when is de case?
All dis Grand Charging and de man still outside...lock up de man..
I am sure you are right Weary. Better late than never.
So you are concerned about the way we look? Is that right.
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!! Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!! Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!! Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!! Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.
If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!! Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.
If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!! Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.
If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass
Well boy, what ah goh say.....God bless America and better late than never.....
I don't think Lasana or Jennings ever had the paper trail though. I never heard about actual transfers to the various companies and we never had the actual figures of government money that was taken. We just know that money was missing. Are all these documents part of the court case for the Soca Warriors?
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?
Bank raises red flag with FIU
Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.
The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.
Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.
According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...
Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.
In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.
The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.
The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.
The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.
Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?
Bank raises red flag with FIU
Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.
The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.
Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.
According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...
Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.
In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.
The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.
The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.
The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.
Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.
This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)
Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.
At what point do we will revert to sanity ?What is Moonilal talking about ? The Minister of National Security , an MP and no less a person than the Chairman of your party is being fingered in gross financial impropriety of international proportions and that doesn't affect your party ? Jack have DVDs on all of them or what ? None of them have any balls to do what is right because office is too important. Let the country go to hell but I keeping my position.
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?
Bank raises red flag with FIU
Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.
The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.
Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.
According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...
Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.
In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.
The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.
The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.
The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.
Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.
This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)
Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.
Who is d next 1? U are Always Generous wit yuh info. Doh leave us hanging.
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?
Bank raises red flag with FIU
Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.
The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.
Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.
According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactions every financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...
Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.
In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.
The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.
The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.
The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.
Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.
This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)
Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.
Who is d next 1? U are Always Generous wit yuh info. Doh leave us hanging.
Alland ;)
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?The part 2 is above. unless you're referring to something else
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?The part 2 is above. unless you're referring to something else
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59451.msg849034#msg849034
d man aint name Jack by coincidence....he know how tuh play d deck....Only in Trinidad is dishonesty viewed as a craft worthy of admiration.
watch meh....dat man have real vision...yuh think he get into politics just so..he done know when d authorities come for he...dem cant do nuttin till he out of govt....and another party win....
Calculated yes....visionary yes....give him dat he have real balls....
I sure he still have more trump in dat deck...
De T&T Express have belly !! ah cah believe they writing about Warner.
Lasana quiet these days...
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.
Jack is here to stay.
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.
Jack is here to stay.
yuh fraid :rotfl: :rotfl:
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.
Jack is here to stay.
yuh fraid :rotfl: :rotfl:
Dey let the animals back out.....
well it was well orchestrated and he kept his Group of trusted men around him......would love tuh see d Express do ah Investigative Report on Camps Bank accounts.
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money.
2. He is the acting Prime Minister.
3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He fixing all thwe roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he helping mordanise T&T and people getting work to.
4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they own Jack and Jack know their secerets.
5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.
6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.
7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.
8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T.
9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority.
10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.
The list can go on and on.
Why all the hate guys?
Dammmmmm! All yuh good boy :rotfl:1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money.
2. He is the acting Prime Minister.
3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He fixing all thwe roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he helping mordanise T&T and people getting work to.
4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they own Jack and Jack know their secerets.
5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.
6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.
7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.
8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T.
9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority.
10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.
The list can go on and on.
Why all the hate guys?
1. He is a crook
2 He is an ugly crook
3 A tie tounge crook
4. He is a capital k crook
5 He is a crook witout remourse
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC
7 He is not only a crook he is a bully as well
8 He is FIFA biggest crook
9 He is the biggest crook in this govt and this govt have nuff crook
10 He is a crook who cyah travel
11. All crooks will one day be found out. Jack your Waterloo is coming.
The list can go on and on.
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money.
2. He is the acting Prime Minister.
3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He fixing all thwe roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he helping mordanise T&T and people getting work to.
4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they own Jack and Jack know their secerets.
5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.
6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.
7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.
8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T.
9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority.
10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.
The list can go on and on.
Why all the hate guys?
1. He is a crook
2 He is an ugly crook
3 A tie tounge crook
4. He is a capital k crook
5 He is a crook witout remourse
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC
7 He is not only a crook he is a bully as well
8 He is FIFA biggest crook
9 He is the biggest crook in this govt and this govt have nuff crook
10 He is a crook who cyah travel
11. All crooks will one day be found out. Jack your Waterloo is coming.
The list can go on and on.
How Warner duped FIFA, Concacaf into believing they owned the $144m Centre of Excellence.
Part III of a Special Investigation Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).
THE GREAT DECEPTION
For over a decade, football power broker Jack Austin Warner hid a US$22.5 million asset in plain sight on the balance sheet of footballs ruling body for North and Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf) of which he was president.
And for just as long, Warner was collecting hundreds of thousands of US dollars in member services and building maintenance fees from Concacaf for an assetthe Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellencethat many in FIFA, footballs world governing body, and Concacaf considered to be the crown jewel of the regional football federation.
The only wrinkle in this long standing arrangement between the football confederation and its ex-president of two decades is ownership of the asset.
Persons familiar with the situation told the Express that FIFA and Concacaf were duped by its ex-top official Warner into thinking that the regional football body owned the sprawling 16.9 acre sporting complex complete with artificial turf ground and 33-room hotel.
The land on which the US$22.5 million FIFA-Concacaf built and paid-for facility sits on, is owned by Jack Warner and two of his private corporations, CCAM and Co Ltd and Renraw Investments Ltd.
The Warner deception was discovered last June by Cayman banker and new Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb who retained the global law firm of Sidley Austin LLP and audit and consulting firm BDO to conduct a forensic audit into Concacafs finances.
At a news conference in New York last September, Webb said the Confederations executive committee had agreed to give investigators more time. "This audit is a massive undertaking that will set our financial house straight and ensure that Concacafs operations are executed in a responsible and ethical manner," he said.
Chairman of Concacafs Integrity Committee, Sir David Simmons, a former chief justice of Barbados, will reveal the findings of the forensic audit first to delegates of the Confederations annual congress in Panama City tomorrow and then to the international media on Friday.
The question of whether the Confederation should go after its former boss in relation to the loss of a valuable assetthe Centre of Excellence will be put to the floor for a vote tomorrow, according to Concacaf insiders. Also headed for discussion is whether the Confederation should extend its forensic investigation to Port of Spain, specifically, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) of which Warner was special adviser up until 2011, said one source.
The annual congress will also deliberate on whether the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) of which Warner was also president should be added to the laundry list of Warner-associated football bodies to be investigated. Reuters had reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and US tax authorities are already on the CFU case.
How was Warner able to dupe FIFA and the Confederation on the ownership of a US$22.5 million asset for so long? Insiders say the answer lies with the lack of a proper governance structure inside the Warner-controlled Concacaf and the symbiotic relationship between Warner and former close pal turned whistle blower and general secretary of the Confederation, Chuck Blazer.
Financial records and other Concacaf documents obtained by this newspaper show that the Centre of Excellence was listed as an asset on Concacafs books by the Warner-hired auditor, Kenny Rampersad of 3A Queens Park West, Port of Spain.
In the audited financial statements for 2010, presented at the May 2011 congress in Miami Beach, Rampersad lists the Centre of Excellence as a fixed asset on the Confederations balance sheet. His note to the account, however, Note 5 describes the asset as "freehold property," which implies ownership of both land and building. Property record searches show that Warner has legal title to the three parcels of land on which the buildings known as the Centre of Excellence sits.
Further in his audit report, in the Notes to Financial Statements, the Warner-hired accountant says this is in relation to freehold property: "Amortisation of freehold property refers to the freehold property that houses the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence. It has been computed at two per cent of historical cost."
A financial expert told the Express that amortisation is more appropriately used to describe leasehold property. Concacaf insiders say that all of the Rampersad audited statements have the Centre of Excellence listed as a fixed asset on the accounts.
The audited statements also show steady US dollar cash flows going into the Warner-run Centre of Excellence. In Note 9 of the 2010 accounts, under the heading "Member Services", Concacaf paid out US$578,608 to the Centre of Excellence for what is described as "courses". The previous year, Concacaf paid out US$650,738.
In 1999, the Centre of Excellence raked in US$1,415,388 from Concacaf for courses run at the Centre of Excellence. In 2001, the figure was US$2,291,762. And while Concacafs books reflect ownership of the Trinidad asset, there was no income stream from the sporting facility managed by its former president and landowner of the Macoya sporting facility.
Revenues for trade shows, concerts, weddings and other events held at the Centre of Excellence stayed with the Centre of Excellence, according to Concacafs records. When BDO started its investigation into Concacafs muddled finances last June, it discovered that the Confederations former president had taken an unauthorised mortgage on the Trinidad property in June 2007. The First Citizens bank charge is secured by the propertyi.e. land and building.
Jack Austin Warner signed the bank charge as a director of both CCAM and Renraw Investments. His secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste, signed as secretary to the two Warner companies. In making the Confederation a party to what BDO say is an unauthorised mortgage, Warner used his authority as president of the football body to sign an $11 million bank charge.
He had Lisle Austin, the vice president Caribbean Concacaf, co-sign the mortgage agreement but Austin, in an interview with the Express, said he did not see the preceding pages of the document he signed and did not understand what he signed in Warners Concacaf office at 113 Edward Street in Port of Spain to be a mortgage document. He said he was duped by Warner.
The mortgage also speaks to a Concacaf board resolution but persons familiar with the situation say the board had no knowledge of the $11 million mortgage charge created by its former president who has refused to answer questions about anything.
Rampersad, Jacks main accountant of choice, also played a key role in another Concacaf mortgage charge drawn up in 1998 in favour of First Citizens. And while this one had the approval of Concacafs board, Rampersad signed as company secretary to two Warner companiesCCAM and Renrawwhich hold beneficial interests in the land on which the Centre of Excellence sits.
At the time of signing, however, Warner's son Daryan was the secretary of the two private corporations, according to records at the Registrar of Companies. Rampersad was never company secretary of either of the two companies.
In a brief phone conversation with the Express, Rampersad said if his signature is there, "then it means I signed in some capacity or the other". Told that he was not the company secretary on record at the time, he said:"I really cant remember. I stopped doing work for Centre of Excellence." He declined further comment.
Warner also received monthly US$25,000 cheque payments from Concacaf for rent of the Confederations Trinidad office which was situated in his building at 113 Edward Street.
He acquired the property in 1997 for $875,000. The national football federation was also paying rent for the other side of the same building which stretched across to Dundonald Street. TTFF was said to be paying about $40,000 a month.
Part IV continues on Sunday with a look at Warners interlocking relationships.
Mr weary1969, why not post here a picture of yourself and see who is really ugly.
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government. Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government. Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
This man arrogant and boldfaced right down to de wire... he is a sociopath!
Imagine he claiming innocence because CONCACAF was paying rent to him for the Center of Excellence all these years, when that was clearly part of the racket.
Wheres the evidence against Jack?
T&T Express Letter
While I hold no brief for National Security Minister Jack Warner, he is held in esteem by some as one of the hardest working ministers ever, and others as a modern day Robin Hood for the good he has done.
Mr Warner has never been charged with any fraud or misappropriation of funds. At present, there is no charge, no police investigation, no parliamentary enquiry, no Integrity Commission enquiry.
There will never be any charge unless there is political will and incontrovertible proof is provided by way of unaccounted funds backed up by audited accounts for every entity to which he is responsible. In the absence of this, everything is just dust in the wind, and Mr Warner knows this; that is why he is not worried.
In his official capacity as part of several governing bodies, Mr Warner was entitled to legitimate funding, this together with his many business interests and enterprises and personal accounts, it is well nigh impossible to obtain any money trail, to prove fraud, not even talking about getting information legally.
Mr Warner has achieved the distinction of becoming a world figure. That puts him among the elite, the people who run the world; that means the rule-makers can be rule-breakers. The kind of privilege and immunity these people have is unbelievable. Its just the reality of the world we live in, much like the CLICO debacle. You can run an insurance company like a bankyou can lend, acquire holdings or be illiquid to the tune of maybe $20 billion before you qualify for a bailout.
You can diversify legitimate business interests to such an extent, that a money trail can be impossible to obtain and yet be able to spin off private wealth.
My advice to Mr Warners detractors is: if you dont have incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing, dont waste your time and other peoples time.
Joel Quintal
San Fernando
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:
(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.
COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:
(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.
COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:
(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.
COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:
(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.
COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.
Or else what, Prakash?...what you and your party gonna do if he doesn't? ::)
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government. Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government. Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:
1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)
It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.
The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.
bakes I made the point in another thread that COP doesn't have six seats u feel anil leaving dat trough...who is d others besides PRAKASH, DOOKS, KSB some MPs will follow d money an' power....if they don't I'll be pleasantly surprised..
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government. Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:
1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)
It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.
The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.
And exactly why is Kamla stunned? Does she not do a background check on the ministers?Jack was one of the main financers of the PP's election campaign and they had a good idea where the money came from but did not care, getting into power by hook or crook was all that mattered!
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point. All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.:beermug:
It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.
Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.
Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.
I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.
The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.
2 years is a very long time in politics. Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point. All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.
It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.
Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.
Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.
I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.
The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.
2 years is a very long time in politics. Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.
And exactly why is Kamla stunned? Does she not do a background check on the ministers?Jack was one of the main financers of the PP's election campaign and they had a good idea where the money came from but did not care, getting into power by hook or crook was all that mattered!
Golda Lee Bruce (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)
Golda Lee Bruce (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)
Cat get this tie tongue.
Golda Lee Bruce (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)
Cat get this tie tongue.
Not really.
The meeting was to organise for Kams Birthday lime tomorrow.
I feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/540707_10200945053930343_878762950_n.jpg)And they were palancing for many years with CONCACAF money!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/16/e6a4u9yz.jpg)Just seeing this chart and it is so spot on! :D
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/540707_10200945053930343_878762950_n.jpg)And they were palancing for many years with CONCACAF money!
The JW & Blaze of soca have nothing on them! :devil:
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner. :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner. :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
When he get lock up then I will be :wavetowel:
I'm just going and stock up on popcorn......imagine Volney and Jack on the back bench.....ooooohhh lawdie......
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner. :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
When he get lock up then I will be :wavetowel:
You right but I have to take this as a slight moral victory. I cant wait so long for him to get locked up nah. I go be an old man before Warner get to do time.
I'm just going and stock up on popcorn......imagine Volney and Jack on the back bench.....ooooohhh lawdie......
:rotfl:Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner. :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
When he get lock up then I will be :wavetowel:
You right but I have to take this as a slight moral victory. I cant wait so long for him to get locked up nah. I go be an old man before Warner get to do time.
D LONGEST ROPE HV AN END. 3 yrs ago when these people was unleash on us u did not tink it would come. U will live 2 c it.
Ah hear de scandal now start because if jack going dong everybody comin wid him....
Fuentes facebook status says : "End of an Error!"
Fuentes facebook status says : "End of an Error!"
Fuentes facebook status says : "End of an Error!"We know Fuentes regularly makes spelling errors but could that be a deliberate spelling era?! :devil:
"The FBI, in all likelihood, would be next in line for its pound of flesh."
Ah need a front row seat for this one.
indeedI feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)
Oh shit
indeedI feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)
Oh shit
brilliant article by lasana liburd!
From Daaga to Roberts to Persad-Bissessar, he spotted a trait that runs deep in Trinidad and Tobago. It can be summarised in two words: Me first.
Trinidad and Tobago, despite over 50 years as an independent nation, still appears too politically immature as a people to see the link between corruption and hardship; unable to grasp that millions pocketed and wasted by politicians and their cohorts might have a direct relation to ill-equipped hospitals, unsafe roads, the loss of our gas subsidy, inadequate basic services like water and, of course, the booming crime scourge.
Warner knew a population inclined more to self-preservation than communal love would turn a blind eye to its neighbours suffering once someone felt there was a dollar in it for him. And he preyed on Trinidad and Tobagos selfish streak for decades.
there is far more here than meets the eye.
no wonder jack does not see himself as a thief. our entire society was his accomplice.
What country is so morally bankrupt as to be lectured to on matters of corruption by FIFA?
QuoteWhat country is so morally bankrupt as to be lectured to on matters of corruption by FIFA?
This line was special.
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??
After all is said and done he gone from FIFA bigwig to propping sorrow before he get he marching orders in Phiilipines Trinidad and Tobago.
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??
A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff. While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....." hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!! ah run she out mih cubicle!!! :cursing:
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??
A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff. While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....." hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!! ah run she out mih cubicle!!! :cursing:
Which is why so many voted for him.This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??
A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff. While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....." hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!! ah run she out mih cubicle!!! :cursing:
It have real naive and dumb people dong dey, eh! Shims man!
Jack attacking Kamla now
PM stunned! :bs: A PM have intelligent advisers, didn't anyone tell her from day one that it would only be a matter of time before JW tsunami come ah shore.
I will be surprised if he even faces a court trial, far less making jail
PM stunned my arse. This article written by Susan Dye is an indictment on the sickening inability of this current administration to discern their ass from their elbow.
Reuters
April 23rd, 2013
Lance Armstrong sued by government over sponsor money.
The U.S. government filed court documents Tuesday laying out its case against cyclist Lance Armstrong, who is accused of defrauding the Postal Service by taking millions of dollars in sponsorship money while flouting professional cycling rules by doping. Lance has nothing on the funny talking gangster from Trinidad and he gets sued. Are you kidding me? Where are the protesters, where is the opposition party that is supposed to be leading this protest about this administration's refusal to file a lawsuit against this idiot? I am angry and disgusted.
These indians in Chaguanas real chupid boy, they is ah disgrace.
Man will do anything for a loaf ah bread !
Jack as rules
By Kevin Baldeosingh
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.
Religion mixin wit politics, never ah good combo
Ah well, at least we know why ppl still love him so
Jack pretending to be Hindu. To get votes. The man reminds of Pablo Escobar. Do good deeds to cover his dirty ways and gain support
Jack pretending to be Hindu. To get votes. The man reminds of Pablo Escobar. Do good deeds to cover his dirty ways and gain support
The man is d first converted Hindu.
CNC3TV (@CNC3TV) tweeted at 11:22 AM on Fri, Apr 26, 2013:Now for the follow-up letters to all those he has stolen money from promising to pay it back by midnight of the Friday of the week in which those letters are sent out.
Jack Warner's resignation letter. http://t.co/BUqhH8pPiQ
(https://twitter.com/CNC3TV/status/327804981845569539)
the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
Bullshit. This is what they teaching people?
Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
Bullshit. This is what they teaching people?
U want 2 strt a religious war now on the MB?
Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
On the other hand, one should not misunderstand that a devotee in transcendental devotional service can act in all kinds of abominable ways; this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained. No one should take advantage of this verse and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.
http://vedabase.net/bg/9/30/
I read the same explanation in my research of it and I am left bewildered nonetheless. Unless there is something lost in translation as it says 'commits' and not 'committed' as in not past but present. Its difficult for me to read this as anything but there is no loss in status for the devoted regardless of their actions. But here is not place to discuss this. I done.Quotethe Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.This teefin my head .
On the other hand, one should not misunderstand that a devotee in transcendental devotional service can act in all kinds of abominable ways; this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained. No one should take advantage of this verse and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.
http://vedabase.net/bg/9/30/
I read the same explanation in my research of it and I am left bewildered nonetheless. Unless there is something lost in translation as it says 'commits' and not 'committed' as in not past but present. Its difficult for me to read this as anything but there is no loss in status for the devoted regardless of their actions. But here is not place to discuss this. I done.
http://transparencyinsportblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-thief-the-conman-and-the-ship-of-aussie-fools/
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ... and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/72852_10151420943143067_1764820853_n.png)
Roodal upset by Jacks criticism of PM
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).
Dangerous ground
The PNM has no gains in this as its a safe UNC seat and because of that, I dont believe there would be any nominees, he said. Moonilal said he expected the by-election would be around the same time the local government election season begins, since the latters term ends in July. He said while he understood Warner was trying to validate his position as MP, there was never any doubt about his representation or his popularity in his constituency.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/72852_10151420943143067_1764820853_n.png)
Back in the 80's & 90's when he was building his empire can you imagine where our football would be today if those $$ was injected into our youth development programs! Sadist!I think we could have been regularly up there with Mexico & USA in CONCACAF for World Cup qualifying & could have seen at least a couple more senior World Cups.
The next Opposition move should be to "call for" a UNC nominee other than Jack.
Anil Roberts calls for study of Concacaf report.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Sports Minister Anil Roberts is calling for the Law Association of T&T or independent minds to go through the Concacaf report, which accused Jack Warner of committing fraud.
jack willriseraise again... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Somebody please find a mule, or donkey & a sunset, for this man to ride off into nah.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns
Good riddance to bad rubbish..now I don't have to hear dis inarticulate, big red tongue, monkey face crook talk at me on de t.v pointing his finger in de air with all that nasty arrogance...I hope dey jail his arse for a long time. Yankees doh play ..dey will get im eventually....CROOK..YUH GOIN TO JAIL!!!
Yuh still have my money!!
Go back to Caiacou...Trinidad people don't look like dis man and we don't talk like dat neither..nastiness..
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns
E-man, did you see the one about Uli Hoeness? Also in the Economist. Ah know that's close to your heart.
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ... and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.
Care to expand on that?
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ... and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.
Care to expand on that?
Ok, ah late ...
He could have resigned and walked away from the three posts (Cabinet, party chair, and MP). He didn't opt to cast off the MP post completely, and that's because it (by his analysis) continues to provide him a useful platform. The first scenario I see is that he miscalculates the outcome (ah mean, he ent chupid ... he already knows it's a gamble) and is not re-nominated for the seat (aside from his legal liabilities, his lack of consultation with the party brass will be held against him - despite his rhetoric to the ppl of having the party's interest at heart). Clearly, the UNC wants to maintain this seat with minimum static, but there's honestly no significant danger of the UNC losing the seat even if Jack gives trouble and creates a stir were he not to be nominated. The PNM can't win this riding, but they could maintain their voter base and siphon independent/disgruntled votes with the right chords struck ... not a significant number, but enough (see below).
Jack has essentially challenged the UNC and PM into making him the de facto nominee for ChaguanasEastWest. Jack is banking on his loyal supporters to cause some considerable static should there action man be denied, putting the UNC in a bit of bother. Kamla definitely don't want an all out public war of words with Jack. Will Jack actually go through the humiliation of the screening process? With 90 days before the bye-elections, it will make for some interesting drama.
I say long time now when Jack took over and mash up all the established leagues because of ASL he virtually killed what was community football.
Every Saturday evening hundreds if not thousands of people heading to the respective grounds to watch the NFL.
Tesca, Arima United, Memphis, Malvern, ECM Motown, Police, Defence Force, Caroni, PFCC, QRC.....
Part X? I didn't realize Camini was still going ...
Part X? I didn't realize Camini was still going ...
She hot for Warner
Wonder how upbeat Warner is now on hearing this latest news! :devil:
Hmmm :thinking:Wonder how upbeat Warner is now on hearing this latest news! :devil:
All it means is FIFA wash their hands. Deflecting from any potential further investigations with FIFA. ie: Sepp inept
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government. Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
http://www.wired868.com/2013/07/11/chaguanas-conspiracy-warner-fears-one-way-ticket-to-usa/
Speculative b.s. Saw that article elsewhere and just skipped past it.
Speculative b.s. Saw that article elsewhere and just skipped past it.
Agreed, repetitive with no new info
This video is hilarious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZwsU9INiSU&feature=youtu.be).
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.
The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.
Khamal Ethan Georges @khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV
If Central FC serious, let them vote for Jack today and I will make sure they get some money and help.
He may not make Jail, but he certainly will make HELL
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.
The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.
Khamal Ethan Georges @khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV
From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.
Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.
I does really have to laugh yes,what does this have to do with Football,Chaguanas was always a high crime area.Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.
The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.
Khamal Ethan Georges @khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV
From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.
Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.
I does really have to laugh yes,what does this have to do with Football,Chaguanas was always a high crime area.Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.
The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.
Khamal Ethan Georges @khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV
From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.
Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.
I does really have to laugh yes,what does this have to do with Football,Chaguanas was always a high crime area.
Well now I vex. When I see the headline "Jack on Fire!", I thought somebody do something useful with some gasoline and a match. Unfortunately, my elation was short-lived.
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole county
PNM supposed to be a big party
talk about party lines
serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country
if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole countygreat is the PNM........they actually feel that the name will carry the party like years past.........they need to ask themselves since the evil PP have taken power some years back what have they done to show the people that is not the same ole same ole as when Patos (not to be confused with Palos) was running the country.........more importantly what has the candidate the put forward in this election done in the community that he deserved more than 500 votes..........in my opinion they been distracted playing a part in the soap opera......every other week is somebody suing somebody.........soe......email........I eh see or hear about them doing anything to win the people back.........and we know Jack is a crook he is a high caliber crook who know how to tief vulnerable people head and keep their loyalty.......
PNM supposed to be a big party
talk about party lines
serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country
if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole county
PNM supposed to be a big party
talk about party lines
serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country
if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt
They usually get 1500. It have nothing to do bout that when u voting according to the tribe. In 1995 Agustus Ramrekersingh get less votes after he develop d bamboo but that year the marginal seat went the way of the UNC.
The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?
True dat!The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?
you know if yuh change it up a lil bit what yuh write could be a good kaiso
The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?
you know if yuh change it up a lil bit what yuh write could be a good kaiso
Smoke screen as usual.
CONCACAF STATEMENT
CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons. CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community. CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.
CONCACAF STATEMENT
CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons. CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community. CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.
CONCACAF STATEMENT
CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons. CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community. CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.
Thanks Flex, for clearing that up for me because I knew that statement this creep made was a lie. Everytime this jackarse lips move, a lie comes out.
The people of Chaguanas West. Gullable.
This creep said he is going back to parliament with more morals because of the people of Chaguanas West. That was a lie.
How do we know this?
He started out by saying he got an agreement from concacaf to sue David Simmons. A lie.
He said he was a dignified statesman. Another lie.
He got tv rights from fifa for $1. That's a lie.
He never abused his power as a minister. That's a lie.
And the lies played on and on...............
CONCACAF STATEMENT
CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons. CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community. CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.
Thanks Flex, for clearing that up for me because I knew that statement this creep made was a lie. Everytime this jackarse lips move, a lie comes out.
The people of Chaguanas West. Gullable.
This creep said he is going back to parliament with more morals because of the people of Chaguanas West. That was a lie.
How do we know this?
He started out by saying he got an agreement from concacaf to sue David Simmons. A lie.
He said he was a dignified statesman. Another lie.
He got tv rights from fifa for $1. That's a lie.
He never abused his power as a minister. That's a lie.
And the lies played on and on...............
Jack lies all the time. Another smoke screen to look good. I accustom with it now
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.
Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.
or else what?
Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.
or else what?
If we have to do dat we might as well go and get pointers from Camps and Groden now.Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.
or else what?
So we must sorry massa Jack we need d$ 4 d football 2 progress.
If we have to do dat we might as well go and get pointers from Camps and Groden now.Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.
or else what?
So we must sorry massa Jack we need d$ 4 d football 2 progress.
Sadly, the TTFF will not probe themselves.
How many present Board Members were there during the JW era.
Best case scenario is they demonstrate how useless and impotent they were whilst money was mismanaged by others.
I shudder that these ppl still have anything to do with our football.
VB
Jack go say he was just taking back the money he been putting into trinidad football since the 70 s .
When u needed a boots back in the day
Uncle jack provided that
Now we make the World Cup
Let me take my money first.
That is to be expected
And this is why domestic Trini football struggles to keep financially afloat... What a scumbag
And this is why domestic Trini football struggles to keep financially afloat... What a scumbag
He needs to be locked up, lets see how he wiggles out this.
Effin crook. Curious to see what the Jackula supporters on this site will say now. Pure evil.That damn crook :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: i don't know why people voteing for him.
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference
TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference
TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
Jack even steals from the poor.
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference
TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
Jack even steals from the poor.
really didn't want to go there Bakes. After all dis could be a future PM of T&T.
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference
TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
Jack even steals from the poor.
really didn't want to go there Bakes. After all dis could be a future PM of T&T.
Effin crook. Curious to see what the Jackula supporters on this site will say now. Pure evil.That damn crook :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: i don't know why people voteing for him.
>A senior Fifa official and his family were paid almost $2?million from a Qatari firm linked to the country’s successful bid for the 2022 World Cup, The Telegraph discloses.
Jack Warner, the former vice-president of Fifa, appears to have been personally paid $1.2?million (720,000) from a company controlled by a former Qatari football official shortly after the decision to award the country the tournament.
Payments totalling almost $750,000 were made to Mr Warner’s sons, documents show. A further $400,000 was paid to one of his employees.
It is understood that the FBI is now investigating Trinidad-based Mr Warner and his alleged links to the Qatari bid, and that the former Fifa official’s eldest son, who lives in Miami, has been helping the inquiry as a co-operating witness.
The awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar was one of the most controversial decisions in sporting history. The intense summer heat in the desert nation has raised the prospect of the tournament being moved to the winter for the first time.
Although Qatar has repeatedly denied wrongdoing during the bidding process, it has long been suspected that the decision was flawed, and several members of the Fifa committee have faced corruption allegations.
Today it can be disclosed that a company owned by Mohamed Bin Hammam, the Fifa executive member for Qatar, appeared to pay $1.2?million to Mr Warner in 2011.
A note from one of Mr Warner’s companies, Jamad, to Mr Bin Hammam’s firm, Kemco, requested $1.2?million in payment for work carried out between 2005 and 2010.
The document is dated December 15, 2010, two weeks after Qatar won the right to host the tournament, and states that the money is “payable to Jack Warner”.
Mr Warner’s two sons and an employee were paid a further $1?million by the same Qatari company.
One document states that payments are to “offset legal and other expenses”, but a separate letter claims that more than $1?million cover “professional services provided over the period 2005-2010”.
At least one bank in the Cayman Islands initially refused to process the payment amid fears over the legality of the money transfer. The money was eventually processed via a bank in New York – a transaction that is understood to have come to the attention of the FBI. A well-placed source said: “These payments need to be properly investigated. The World Cup is the most important event in football and we need to be confident that decisions have been made for the right reasons. There are lots of questions that still need to be answered.”
Mr Warner was one of the most experienced members of the executive committee until he stood down in 2011 and served as vice-president of the organisation for 14 years. He was one of the 22 people who decided to award Russia the 2018 World Cup and Qatar the 2022 tournament. It is understood that the FBI is investigating payments to Mr Warner and that one of his family members has been acting as a “co-operating witness”.
The investigators are thought to be focusing on Mr Warner’s American and Grand Cayman accounts.
Michael Garcia, the joint chief investigator of Fifa’s ethics committee, is also investigating irregularities surrounding the bidding process. He is expected to deliver his report to the committee later this year.
Today’s disclosures will add to concerns that some Fifa executive committee members were not impartial when they cast their votes in December 2010. England suffered a humiliating defeat when it secured only two votes to host the 2018 World Cup and was eliminated after the first round.
Even before the decision was made, there were persistent allegations of corruption. Six weeks before the vote in Zurich, a World Cup official was caught in an undercover investigation agreeing to sell his vote to one of England’s rivals. A second member of the same committee was recorded asking for 1.5?million for a sports academy. Both officials were suspended, meaning that 22 people voted instead of the usual 24.
A whistleblower also claimed that one of the bidders had bought the votes of three African executive committee members. The former Fifa employee later withdrew the allegations.
Following England’s defeat, a parliamentary committee held an inquiry into the failed bid. Lord Triesman, the bid’s former chairman, gave evidence stating that four Fifa executive committee members had asked for business deals and favours when negotiating their support. One of those he named was Mr Warner.
The Labour peer said that the then Fifa vice-president had asked for money to build an education centre in Trinidad, with the cash to be channelled through him, and 500,000 to buy World Cup television rights for Haiti.
In June 2011, Mr Warner resigned from all football posts after he was accused of facilitating bribes to members of the Caribbean football union on behalf of Mohamed Bin Hammam, who was standing against Sepp Blatter to be Fifa president. A report by the Fifa ethics committee found that there was “compelling” evidence that Mr Warner was “an accessory to corruption”.
Mr Warner was caught on tape apparently urging fellow Fifa officials to accept cash gifts from Mr Bin Hammam, the disgraced former presidential candidate.
The documents seen by The Daily Telegraph raise further questions about Mr Warner’s activities. One email, which appears to have been sent by one of Mr Warner’s employees, shows that the staff member personally received $412,000 from the Qatari company and that Mr Warner’s son, Daryll, was paid $432,000. Daryan, his other son, was paid $316,000 via a company called We Buy Houses.
Regarding the payments to Daryan, the email states that he was “contracted … based on his understanding, contacts and history with the regional players who make up an integral part of the defence team … pursuant to Fifa bribery allegations. As stated in our letter of June 11, 2011, the value of US $316,000, and this is an initial deposit to offset legal and other expenses related to the matter.”
In July, a different email shows that “monies in the amount of $1.2?million” were wire transferred to J&D International, another of Mr Warner’s companies, by the same Qatari firm. It states that this is to “offset legal and other related expenses associated with regard to an ongoing matter”.
Mr Warner and his family declined to comment. A spokesman for Qatar’s 2022 World Cup organising committee said: “The 2022 bid committee strictly adhered to Fifa’s bidding regulations in compliance with their code of ethics.
“The supreme committee for delivery and legacy and the individuals involved in the 2022 bid committee are unaware of any allegations surrounding business dealings between private individuals.”
Telegraph for Warner; ex-FIFA VP on the run againMr Wired pelt some serious blows in that article boy! :thumbsup:
(Satire)
Chaguanas West MP and ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner was under international media scrutiny again today, which could only mean that another report about the molestation of football was made somewhere on the planet.
The UK-based Daily Telegraph fingered Warner for receiving TT $13 million (1.2 million) from a Qatari firm linked to that countrys successful 2022 World Cup bid for legal and other expenses and professional services. More than half the money was paid from disgraced former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammams Kemco firm to Warners family owned business, Jamad, which is a cleaning company.
And who ever doubted that Warner cleaned up when it came to World Cup bids?
Read more: http://wired868.com/2014/03/17/telegraph-for-warner-ex-fifa-vp-on-the-run-again/
Picked up by the CBC in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-official-received-2m-days-after-qatar-awarded-world-cup-report-1.2576956
The World Cup bid contests for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments are being investigated by Michael Garcia, a former U.S. Attorney who was appointed as FIFA's independent ethics prosecutor in July 2012. Garcia and his investigation team have been conducting interviews worldwide with officials from the 2018-2022 bid nations and FIFA executive committee members. Russia is to host the 2018 World Cup.
Picked up by the CBC in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-official-received-2m-days-after-qatar-awarded-world-cup-report-1.2576956
Excerpted from the linked article:QuoteThe World Cup bid contests for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments are being investigated by Michael Garcia, a former U.S. Attorney who was appointed as FIFA's independent ethics prosecutor in July 2012. Garcia and his investigation team have been conducting interviews worldwide with officials from the 2018-2022 bid nations and FIFA executive committee members. Russia is to host the 2018 World Cup.
This raised a conflict of interest question in my mind ... but a Bloomberg article reveals that it has been addressed. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-08/fifa-investigators-to-meet-all-bidders-into-world-cup-host-award.html)
Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.
Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.
Yeah, they can get paid twice for the same vote!Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.
Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.
Good talk
Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.
Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/v/zL8hpPzw6O8I was waiting for the classic line, "Ask yuh Mudder". :devil:
Uncle Jack, The FBI and The Smoking GunGood article.
Jack Warner is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
The Telegraph reports that they have seen some documents which are currently in the hands of the FBI emails and bank records mostly which prove that former CONCACAF President Jack Warner and his sons received more than two million dollars from Qatari interests in late 2010 and early 2011.
The story (hat tip to BigSoccer stalwart Placid Casual) says that the FBI has a note from Jamad (one of Warners companies) to Kemco (one of Bin Hammams) dated just two weeks after the vote which awarded World Cup 2022 to Qatar that requests a payment of $1.2 million be made payable to Jack Warner for unspecified professional services.
(continue) (http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/bill-archer/2014/03/18/uncle-jack-the-fbi-and-the-smoking-gun/)
Other suspicious payments to [World Cup bid] voters include two payments totalling $450,000 to [Jack] Warner in the two years before the vote. Correspondence in the month after Qatar won the vote also shows Warner referred to Bin Hammam as the only brother I have in football and went on to send his bank details.
The email trail and bank documents also reveal the true story of a further $1.2m payment from Bin Hammam to Warner almost eight months after the bid when the two men had been suspended by Fifa for paying bribes to voters in Bin Hammams campaign to unseat Blatter as the president of Fifa.
Me and a lot of other people have been waiting for your day to come. It ain't here yet. Suffice it to say it is taking too long.
The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.
The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.
If the players go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.
In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good. If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaign in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.
The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.
The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.
If the players go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.
In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good. If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaign in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.
How they will force Jack when the books would show funds went from Dundonald Street POS to SMR Couva at Rienzi. It have a reason why this was done. It have more in the mortar than the pesstle. Who knows what but in addition to the PR stunt it have something else. It might be a case of CYB ( Cover Yuh Butt). They hope by giving players the money it would end the isue and nothing can be traced back to them.
Thanks for the story Lasana.
Thanks to Flex, Tallman and crew for being facilitators in their own way of somehow learning the truth.
Congrats Brent, Kelvin, Shaka, Cornel, Stern and others who paid your dues, and took career damaging blacklisting on the chin ... and still taking insults as I read the news.
You all are real (bjut still unsung) heroes and we would be stuck with Renraw, Scamps, Rodent and the rest of the parasitic Cornmealy bugs had it not ben for you all. Funnily, because of your sacrifice, characters such as Anton and more deserving others like Latas might get paid, and Beenie just might consider coming back so we can show Costa Rica that we eh get leff behind completely for good.
Remember Warriors, as you have been hinting, this will help undo some damage and put food on the table and help you invest to secure your futures a little better but now you have more leverage to really help socawarrior fans and the football sector be liberated. Time to train all metaphorical guns of the legal system (note the emphasis on the word legal) on Jackulito, Scampito and Rodent and their dis theciples and all their ill gotten gains that have robbed the football sector and country of developmental revenue for football.
Renraw, the noose is tightening and there is little room to hide in T&T as yuh done know that you eh dare fly out of T&T, maybe not even to Tobago. Ah know iz painful. What a ting! Iz a frightening thing to know that anyone of yuh padnahs could have a metaphorical knife behind dey back and be ready to betray you as dey conveniently join de bandwaggon to slay de dragon. Cyah trus' yuh own children as de feds have dem by dey stones. Not even horner you can trust.
Press on Sancho, Kelvin, Shaka and crew. Scampito then Jackulito & any others involved in this nastiness will be brought to their knees. Zero to hero for you and the reverse for you know who. Doh hold back at all at all. No mercy. The work now start. Keep yuh eye on the ball and on principle.
Didn't catch it from the beginning, but it was epic for the few minutes I heard. Somebody roll tape from the beginning please!
Now, we know that Warner did have associates in Jamaica and those of us who like local pastry are keeping our fingers crossed that nothing untoward is going to arise from the dough we have here. Our nationalism is not simply capped in half-baked accusations and kickbacks.
What is this, a standpipe drama or what? Are we still uncouth villagers of the colonial era? Will we never have civilised norms in this country?
FIFA Official Cites Satirical Onion Article in His Self-Defense
FIFA Official Cites Satirical Onion Article in His Self-Defense
By Robert Mackey, NY Times
Jack Warner, a former vice president of world soccers governing body, FIFA, defended himself against corruption charges on Sunday by citing an article from The Onion, apparently unaware that it was satire.
Mr. Warner, 72, who was arrested last week in connection with a wide-ranging criminal investigation by the United States Justice Department, held up the faux news report as evidence, he said, of an American conspiracy, in a video statement that was uploaded to the web and then removed later in the day.
A copy of a video statement uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by Jack Warner, a former soccer official accused of corruption.
Jack Warner, via YouTube
The satirical article, published Wednesday under the headline, FIFA Frantically Announces 2015 Summer World Cup in the United States, mockingly suggested that, to placate American officials, the governing body had added a new tournament, which would begin the very same day.
Holding up a printout of The Onion piece as if it were a genuine news report, Mr. Warner told viewers of the video posted on his personal website, Facebook page and YouTube channel, All this has stemmed from the failed U.S. bid to host the World Cup.
Mr. Warner, the leader of Trinidads Independent and Liberal Party, went on to suggest that American officials were primarily motivated by losing a bid to host the 2022 World Cup. The U.S. applied to hold the World Cup in 2022 and they lost the bid to Qatar a small country, an Arabic country, a Muslim country.
I could understand the U.S. embarrassment, Mr. Warner continued, but it is important, he added, to take your losses like a man.
He then speculated further that a second goal of the criminal investigation that has ensnared him was to force Russia to give up the World Cup, which it is hosting in 2018. Why is it, Mr. Warner asked of the American prosecutors, that they believe that they have a right to the World Cup?
As dramatic background music swelled, he went on, holding up The Onion article again, to accuse the United States of hypocrisy for accepting the right to host the (entirely fictional) Summer World Cup, 2015, from the very same organization that they are accusing of being corrupt. That has to be double standards.
In the video, Mr. Warner also said he was consoled by the fact that many of you on the blogs, on Twitter, on Facebook, on other channels, throughout were very supportive of me and still are. He assured his supporters that, At the end of the day, all of the allegations against me shall be proven to be unfounded.
You see, it is not when youre up that you know who your friends are, he said, its when you are perceived to be down.
After Mr. Warners error in mistaking The Onion for a news source was noted, and mocked, on social networks, the video disappeared without explanation from his website and social media accounts. Two hours later, it was replaced by an edited version of the video, missing 63 seconds and all references to The Onion.
https://www.youtube.com/v/1rhLFDF516Q
Lol. You can't be serious.
Do you know what credibility means... Lol
I think Jack referred to that article (whether it is a satirical or not) to add to his points that the USA is desperate to host a FIFA World Cup and is not too happy that they did not win their bid to host it in 2022 which everyone knows is true.
The premise of Jacks argument is not based on that article and Jack referring to that satirical article was simply meant to add to the points he already made.
I am not a defender of Jack Warner but he made some valid points in that video. His only error was referring to that particular satirical article to add to his points.
Today, Interpol issued a "Red Notice" for Jack Warner and five other FIFA officials, meaning they will be arrested if they fly anywhere in the world.
Today, Interpol issued a "Red Notice" for Jack Warner and five other FIFA officials, meaning they will be arrested if they fly anywhere in the world.
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
How you mean if he have anything. Who give USA 1989 and 1994? Who brokered all kinda deals all over the world with FAs? When last T&T played England a friendly? Has Becks been back to T&T, even for Carnival? Look the Aussie want back their bribe money and no one saying anything about that. They latched onto the Legacy Program though.
I sure Jack could buss files like Snowden. It would be sweet. And, because of this I think you may see a huge deal for Jack from the DoJ.
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
How you mean if he have anything. Who give USA 1989 and 1994? Who brokered all kinda deals all over the world with FAs? When last T&T played England a friendly? Has Becks been back to T&T, even for Carnival? Look the Aussie want back their bribe money and no one saying anything about that. They latched onto the Legacy Program though.
I sure Jack could buss files like Snowden. It would be sweet. And, because of this I think you may see a huge deal for Jack from the DoJ.
Seems at this stage he is still hoping the T&T gov't will protect him based on his threats to reveal stuff on that side, but once he's handed over I'm hoping there's more he can set to light. He's just been such blow hard with threats over the years, it's hard to imagine he'll finally reveal something significant, but hey let's hope like sons like father.
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.You could not have put it any better! He is certainly a man of intrigue. Notwithstanding, he has found himself in a most unfortunate position at this stage!
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.You could not have put it any better! He is certainly a man of intrigue. Notwithstanding, he has found himself in a most unfortunate position at this stage!
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.You could not have put it any better! He is certainly a man of intrigue. Notwithstanding, he has found himself in a most unfortunate position at this stage!
I commented elsewhere on this, I don't think jack has anyting concrete, he can use on this gov't, nutten that can't be easily dismissed anyways.....at this stage only someting dat the DOJ might find interesting may hold water.......but he would surely incriminate himself with that........added to that his credibility continues to plummet,...........as an aside, rowley should reserve comment on anyting Jack has to say about the gov't, if he is smart, he was clever enough to at least draw some distance from jack, but I have heard him reference jack with sect 34.....he should stop with dat, until someting dat is not jus hearsay is brought forward
As Minister of National Security, Jack must have worked really hard to dig up all the dirt on the gov't boy. Everybody antsy.
Remember even Keith Rowley said the same thing some months ago, that for the first time as a politician he feared for his life.As Minister of National Security, Jack must have worked really hard to dig up all the dirt on the gov't boy. Everybody antsy.
JW need to be careful because the way T&T is running, attempts on his life is not far fetched..
Report: FIFA's Jack Warner accused of taking $750,000 intended for Haiti earthquake relief
According to a shocking report from The BBC, Jack Warner, the former FIFA vice-president who was one of the 14 indicted on racketeering and bribery charges by the U.S. Department of Justice, once had $750,000 of FIFA funds intended for 2010 Haiti earthquake relief diverted to banks accounts he controlled.
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/report-fifas-jack-warner-accused-of-taking-750000-intended-for-haiti-earthquake-relief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567
Report: FIFA's Jack Warner accused of taking $750,000 intended for Haiti earthquake relief
According to a shocking report from The BBC, Jack Warner, the former FIFA vice-president who was one of the 14 indicted on racketeering and bribery charges by the U.S. Department of Justice, once had $750,000 of FIFA funds intended for 2010 Haiti earthquake relief diverted to banks accounts he controlled.
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/report-fifas-jack-warner-accused-of-taking-750000-intended-for-haiti-earthquake-relief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567
But this is not news.
"Rant"?Didn't sound like a "rant" but I'll love to see the video.
From what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?
the only way that could embarrass we is if we living a reality show called "Living with the Warners" . We always know Jack and company and as a matter of fact many so called leaders & upstanding ppl was robbing we blind..cause it's a way of life with we.. and when somebody point it out we say is only Jack...Bullshit..as long as we benefitting is all ah we...but nah, we going WC..so let we party, hold up we chest..then that done.. we back to is only Jack..then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-smart everybody..doh shame, come correct. no shame in that.. tell themFrom what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?
Yea they wasn"t vex when Jack say ask yuh mudder. How it showing that we allow somebody to come on we tv and embarrass we.
the only way that could embarrass we is if we living a reality show called "Living with the Warners" . We always know Jack and company and as a matter of fact many so called leaders & upstanding ppl was robbing we blind..cause it's a way of life with we.. and when somebody point it out we say is only Jack...Bullshit..as long as we benefitting is all ah we...but nah, we going WC..so let we party, hold up we chest..then that done.. we back to is only Jack..then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-smart everybody..doh shame, come correct. no shame in that.. tell themFrom what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?
Yea they wasn"t vex when Jack say ask yuh mudder. How it showing that we allow somebody to come on we tv and embarrass we.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/04/18/0B5A136C000005DC-3110498-David_Beckham_with_FIFA_President_Sepp_Blatter_and_Jack_Warner_l-a-5_1433437297680.jpg)red shirt: ppl waitin for me in the hotel, and these clowns walkin slow slow slow
Caption that :devil:
https://www.youtube.com/v/bB7CBxfRUaw
:rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh hear the dramatic music score playing in the background... JW know a thing or two about theatricsEnt! That was the first thing I recognized lol
then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-
We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. So all those who voted for the coalition get what you deserve, the Trini toxic avenger. Kamla put him in position to rub it in PNM face. "We have a man with money, allyuh eh have none!". Rowley tell she, "this fifa man toxic". She say, "he is our rock!" Now he is quick sand, they trying to dump him on PNM. I eh shame. Jack was never my buddy. We on this website have been cussin him since 2006. We know what the man was made of. Coming to talk, " he make we shame". but yes, ah friggin vex, oui!
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
WE is Trinidad & Tobago. No one man is an Island.. When the warriors win (or lose) is not them alone make that accomplishment. I unfortunately do not have opportunity to vote, but as you might know/remember Deeks, I got exiled to foreign, cause I don't let the chips fall where they may, if I'm in a position to express a protest. My parents probably saved my life, by allowing me different perspectives, helping me make better choices in who, what and when to stand up.
We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. .......
:rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh hear the dramatic music score playing in the background... JW know a thing or two about theatricsEnt! That was the first thing I recognized lol
WE is Trinidad & Tobago. No one man is an Island.. When the warriors win (or lose) is not them alone make that accomplishment. I unfortunately do not have opportunity to vote, but as you might know/remember Deeks, I got exiled to foreign, cause I don't let the chips fall where they may, if I'm in a position to express a protest. My parents probably saved my life, by allowing me different perspectives, helping me make better choices in who, what and when to stand up.
We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. .......
ps: I not vex.. remember I said, and meant, I rather we don't go World Cup. Yet, I didn't wish bad on the final decision made. WE went World Cup.
from galvanize tv
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Ganja found at PM's home...and we hid it
By Denyse Renne (Express).
SMOKEOUT
Former national security minister Jack Warner has admitted he and former deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson were part of a plan to bury the alleged discovery of marijuana at the Phillipine home of the Prime Minister on April 12, 2013.
The Prime Minister was in New York, USA, at the time.
Warner also named Gary Griffith, then adviser to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal as being part of the plan to ensure there was no criminal probe into the alleged marijuana discovery.
Richardson, when contacted yesterday morning by the Sunday Express, refused to comment on the allegation made against him by the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and Chaguanas West MP.
In a statement dated June 6, 2015, submitted to Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette, who stamped and signed it, Warner outlined how Richardson came to Parliament and told him about the alleged drug find.
Warner's statement forms part of a dossier of documents and taped conversations he has promised to deliver to selected attorneys for safe keeping to expose corruption in the Government.
Warner is currently on bail and will re-appear at the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court on July 9. He has indicated he will be contesting any request by the US to have him extradited to answer charges of racketeering and money laundering.
The indictment against Warner follows four years of investigations by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) authorities into allegations of rampant and systemic corruption and rich self-dealing by FIFA officials.
On June 3, the US requested, through Interpol, that Warner and five other officials be placed on red notice.
Richardson retired from the Police Service in November 2013 and has been retained by the National Operations Centre as its strategic co-ordinator of Multi-Agency Co-ordinating Group. He has had his leave bought out on two occasions by the Government.
While in the Police Service, he headed several high-profile investigations, among them Emailgate.
The Sunday Express asked Richardson yesterday:
Mr Richardson, it is our information that you went to Parliament while it was in process on April 12, 2013, and met with Warner, where you informed him that four ounces of marijuana had been found outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home.
Richardson: I wouldn't comment on that.
Sunday Express: Do you recall that happening?
Richardson: I wouldn't be commenting on those matters.
Sunday Express: Is it that it didn't happen or you can't remember?
Richardson: Ms Renne, I said I will not be commenting on those matters.
Sunday Express: Shortly after this discovery, you left the service and were placed in charge of the Rapid Response Unit. Were you part of a cover-up, and this position your payment?
Richardson: Ms Renne, I would not be commenting on those matters. Have a great day.
On Friday evening, the Sunday Express was shown a copy of the police diary entry, which stated 113 grammes of marijuana were found on the Philippine premises around 7 a.m. on April 12, 2013, during a routine patrol.
Warner, in his statement to the JP, said Richardson came to Parliament on April 12, 2013, while a sitting was in progress and they went into a private room at the Parliament.
He said, The DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Phillipine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based in the amount it can be for the purpose of trafficking.
Warner said he was told by Richardson that Snr Supt of Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's detail and he (Richardson) would speak to Gould.
I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter, Warner wrote.
Moonilal advised that the Prime Minister be called and told what occurred since she was in New York at the time, according to Warner.
Warner said he did so and the PM seemed surprised and said that she should return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.
She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me.
I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it and up to today we did.
Contacted last Friday by the Sunday Express, Warner said he would not comment at this time, except to say, I will be revealing more at my meeting on Thursday night. I promised the PM, the gloves are off.
Countless calls to Persad-Bissessar and Moonilal on Friday and yesterday, as well as several text messages seeking a comment, went unanswered.
The Sunday Express also contacted press officer Francis Joseph, who said he would try to obtain a response from Persad-Bissessar, but up to press time last night there was no response.
The questions posed to the Prime Minister:
Good morning Mrs Persad-Bissessar. I am writing an article for tomorrow's paper and would like a comment from you. On or around April 2013, four ounces of marijuana were found at your Phillipine home. Can you confirm or deny?
Did Mr Mervyn Richardson have a conversation with you regarding this find?
Special Branch head: Richardson didn't tell me anything
The Sunday Express contacted Gary Gould yesterday morning. Gould is currently a DCP and also the deputy head at Special Branch.
Asked whether he knew about the find at the Prime Minister's residence in April 2013, Gould said, I'm not aware of this.
Quizzed on whether Richardson relayed this information to him, Gould said no.
Asked whether he was sure Richardson never informed him of the find, given that he (Gould) headed the Special Branch at the time, Gould said, Something like that, I would have remembered being told to me.
The Sunday Express asked whether it was mandatory such a report should have come to him. Gould say yes.
Contacted yesterday morning, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams said he needed an opportunity to look into the matter.
I have to look at the records of 2013 and I have no access to those records now. I'm sure if it's Special Branch, there would be records, Williams said.
Griffith responds: Ask the police
In an e-mailed response sent yesterday evening, Gary Griffith refused to confirm or deny he was privy to the alleged incident.
He instead told the Sunday Express to check with the police.
He said when he operated as a minister of National Security, I am obliged to still stress that it would be inappropriate to make any statement on any such allegation.
Based on this report, it would be the police who should comment on this allegation. Having said that, let me make it abundantly clear it is impossible for any Government official to give any police officer an order to cover up any matter that warrants a police investigation or a possible charge for someone committing a criminal offence. They have no authority to do so.
The Police Service comes under the Ministry of National Security for administration, policy and logistics support services.
It is not in any remote way under the authority of Government officials, inclusive of National Security, National Security Council or Office of the Prime Minister, for operational purposes, which includes investigations and reporting a crime.
For any further information reference the above, the T&T Police Service is the best avenue to answer any further questions.
Edited text of the statement by Jack Warner
My name is Jack Austin Warner.
I was elected to Parliament on May 24, 2010, for the Chaguanas West constituency, copping the highest number of votes for any one candidate in that election.
On June 1, 2010, I was appointed Minister of Works and Transport, and later Minister of Works and Infrastructure.
On June 25, 2012, I was appointed Minister of National Security, a post from which I resigned on April 20, 2013. Prior to this, I had acted as Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago on no less than four occasions. In fact, I was the first minister to be appointed by the Prime Minister to act for her when she had to travel in August 2010.
As Minister of National Security, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service was one of the agencies under my portfolio.
On Friday, April 12, 2013, DCP Mervyn Richardson came to Parliament (where sitting was in progress) and called me out. We went to a private room in the Parliament, where the DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Philippine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the Prime Minister's Philippine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based on the amount, it can be for the purpose of trafficking.
DCP Richardson also advised me that Senior Superintendent Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's security detail and that he would speak to him.
I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter.
He suggested that I should immediately call the Prime Minister overseas in New York and inform her, which I did.
The Prime Minister seemed surprised and said that she will return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.
She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me. I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that instead we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it, and up to today we did.
All of the above can be easily corroborated in the following ways:
1. By seeking the advice of Senior Superintendent Gary Gould, Head of the Special Branch;
2. By inspecting the police diary for the morning of April 12, 2013;
3. By seeking the advice on the matter from DCP Mervyn Richardson and Captain Gary Griffith. Consistent with his current behaviour, it will serve no useful purpose to interview Dr Moonilal;
4. TSTT (Telecommunications Services of Trinidad and Tobago) or DCP should be able to produce pictures of the marijuana which picture Richardson had on his mobile phone.
Respectfully submitted,
Jack Warner
Member of Parliament
Chaguanas West Constituency
June 6, 2015
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Jack getting old boy...he not thinking the movements thru at all..yuh go up against professional shit-talkers and win.. Oliver will eat him raw..or is that renraw ? :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Jack getting old boy...he not thinking the movements thru at all..yuh go up against professional shit-talkers and win.. Oliver will eat him raw..or is that renraw ? :devil:
Jack Warner has produced phone recordings of a conversation between him and Gary Griffith about the alleged drug find at the prime minister's private home.
If yuh smelllllllllll....what the papers....is.....cooking. Finally, in front of millions of people around the world and in TnT, the papers has comeback to TnT.
Somewhere I read where so called Fixin TnT wants the law enforcement community to probe Warner's money to the AG. Assinine. Why don't they recommend that the $.7m in his account that was meant for Chaguanas West be probed? Or the millions of dollars that's missing from the ttff, concacaf, the cfu, Haiti, and on and on be probed? :yellowcard:
If yuh smelllllllllll....what the papers....is.....cooking. Finally, in front of millions of people around the world and in TnT, the papers has comeback to TnT.
Somewhere I read where so called Fixin TnT wants the law enforcement community to probe Warner's money to the AG. Assinine. Why don't they recommend that the $.7m in his account that was meant for Chaguanas West be probed? Or the millions of dollars that's missing from the ttff, concacaf, the cfu, Haiti, and on and on be probed? :yellowcard:
uuuuummmm Fixin T&T has commented on Jack and all his issues many, many, many times.......how is it asinine for them to call out the AG? Jack is alleging that he gave Garvin Nicholas money but Nicholas is now presiding over whether or not Jack should be extradited or not.......conflict of interest, no?
KPMG Auditing been around for ages, like them is de only auditnig company in T&T?
Paging Jack Horner, paging Jack Horner......Jack still coming back to save we?? Chups!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/sepp-blatter/11891462/Sepp-Blatter-under-criminal-investigation-at-Fifa-live.html
This from Martyn Ziegler, the Chief Sports Reporter of the Press Association, which neatly clarifies the past few updates:
Swiss prosecutors have opened criminal proceedings against FIFA president Sepp Blatter on a day of stunning developments at football's world governing body.
The Swiss attorney general's office issued a statement saying Blatter is suspected of criminal mismanagement or misappropriation over a TV rights deal he signed with former Caribbean football chief Jack Warner in 2005.
He is also suspected of "a disloyal payment" of two millions Swiss francs to UEFA president Michel Platini - who is the favourite to succeed him - in 2011.
FIFAs Independent Ethics Committee bans Jack Warner from all football-related activities for life
FIFA.com
The adjudicatory chamber of the Ethics Committee, chaired by Hans-Joachim Eckert, has decided to ban the former FIFA Vice-President and Executive Committee member as well as CONCACAF President, Mr Jack Warner, from taking part in any kind of football-related activity at national and international level for life.
The decision was taken on the basis of investigations carried out by the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee following its report on the inquiry into the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cup bidding process. The chairman of the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee, Dr Cornel Borbly, who took over the chairmanship from his predecessor in late December 2014, immediately opened the investigation into Mr Warners activities in January 2015.
Mr Warner was found to have committed many and various acts of misconduct continuously and repeatedly during his time as an official in different high-ranking and influential positions at FIFA and CONCACAF. In his positions as a football official, he was a key player in schemes involving the offer, acceptance, and receipt of undisclosed and illegal payments, as well as other money-making schemes. He was found guilty of violations of art. 13 (General rules of conduct), art. 15 (Loyalty), art. 18 (Duty of disclosure, cooperation and reporting), art. 19 (Conflicts of interest), art. 20 (Offering and accepting gifts and other benefits) and art. 41 (Obligation of the parties to collaborate) of the FIFA Code of Ethics.
The ban is effective from 25 September 2015, the date on which the present decision was notified.
"Ban me for life, even so without a hearing" - Jack Warner.
I dear you to travel to Switzerland for a hearing Jack. Come FIFA, please give Jack a fear hearing.
"Ban me for life, even so without a hearing" - Jack Warner.
I dear you to travel to Switzerland for a hearing Jack. Come FIFA, please give Jack a fear hearing.
Warner On FIFA
President Sepp Blatter has appealed his 90 day suspension from the world football governing body. This coincides with FIFA's announcement that there will be an extraordinary meeting of its executive committee in Zurich on October 20. This morning Blatter got a ringing endorsement from one of his former allies Jack Warner, who also got into his own ban on football. Warner even had a little prediction as to T&T's World Cup ambitions. We caught up with the former Concacaf boss after he spoke at TTUTA's Teachers Convention in St Ann's.
Were they giving away MBA degrees?anybody who could wuk Fifa and a country for so many years deserve a Prize..not Nobel nor Noble..but at least a Chifu something
Jack: I'll go broke.:rotfl: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin:
Please join us in wishing Happy Birthday to former FIFA Vice President, CONCACAF President and T&T Cabinet Minister AUSTIN 'JACK' WARNER as he celebrates 73 years of life on earth today 🇹🇹
From today's Frankfurter Allgemeine:
http://m.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fussball/wm-2006-skandal-ok-zahlte-auf-dubioses-jack-warner-konto-14124202.html
German federation said to have deposited 56,469 euros to an account not affiliated to the then TTFF.
E-man?
Tim Kee for president is a non-starter.
Tim Kee for president is a non-starter.
As in whether he could muster sufficient support or in terms of whether that would be progressive?
Heard Jack lost extradition appeal!he will appeal again, thats all. I seriously doubt that jack would see the inside of a jail anytime soon.
Warner slams lawsuit as an attempt to unjustly vilify him.
For a so-called republic. We still allow this bullshit legalese to surface every time a matter of importance needs to be determined. We are still a de facto Brit colony. Tell me I talking bull.I have to be the first to say ,you are not talking bull,and I understand clearly your words"so called Republic".On another story,I read on a cricket site,a poster called Trinidad and Tobago a "Banana Republic".I was mad to read what he said and,replied with some epithets of a Caribbean flavour,come to think about it,he was correct and I honestly think TT is heading to failure at everything. :(
For a so-called republic. We still allow this bullshit legalese to surface every time a matter of importance needs to be determined. We are still a de facto Brit colony. Tell me I talking bull.I have to be the first to say ,you are not talking bull,and I understand clearly your words"so called Republic".On another story,I read on a cricket site,a poster called Trinidad and Tobago a "Banana Republic".I was mad to read what he said and,replied with some epithets of a Caribbean flavour,come to think about it,he was correct and I honestly think TT is heading to failure at everything. :(
Jack Warner: Home of Football is a football museum (https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/7pmnews/fifa-president-speaks-about-jack-warner/article_4d16d4f4-0a6e-11ea-99c5-e3c6631af0bc.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social).that thieving bastard have no shame, he should have kept his mouth shut tight. thats something that his worthless ass should have done 30 years ago but it took a man 20 years his junior to get it done. DJW may not have been the best choice for president of the federation but this is one thing no one could take away from him, he would go down in history for this, kudos to him for this wonderful facility.
The way the national team is playing today is erasing the memory of 1965 when Trinidad & Tobago defeated Argentina in a Pan American game
Not trying to be petty, the PanAm games was 1967. Although I had to swallow meh saliva to admit I agree with some of what he says, it is still a case of the "pot and kettle arguing who black". Even though he wrote this long diatribe he is probably admiring the the way DJW is using pages out of his own(JW's) play book. Just before election bring a lot of disgruntled sides to pad votes. Away with you Jack. I am putting it mildly!
Since Honduras has just embarassed us 4-0 our 22nd consecutive defeat!
For 21 consecutive games, we failed to win an International match and this is not because we were playing against teams like Brazil, England or Germany. In some cases, we played teams that were lower ranked than Trinidad & Tobago and yet failed to secure victories.
I think jack showed a little too much of his hand there. it almost seem that this it was more of a trap.....bait...andre fishing for info to place jack as one whos meddling with this new association affairs, Jack bestie careful with this DJW apologist. and no jack dennis lawrence dont need help, he needs to go hes toxic in every sense of the word and the last game is testament that the dressing room has lost confidence in him, its like dennis dont have no shame if he insist on staying.
I think jack showed a little too much of his hand there. it almost seem that this it was more of a trap.....bait...andre fishing for info to place jack as one whos meddling with this new association affairs, Jack bestie careful with this DJW apologist. and no jack dennis lawrence dont need help, he needs to go hes toxic in every sense of the word and the last game is testament that the dressing room has lost confidence in him, its like dennis dont have no shame if he insist on staying.
I want to see now how we would put into practice what he has been told.
In Andre's interview with AJW, Lasana reports Jack as stating:i heard a desperate fan boy trying his best to throw sand in the peleau. I used to take this imp seriously especially when he went in on Dave cameron for his failure with West Indies cricket, but here we have a federation president whos performance was on par with mr cameron yet andre not only supports him, he also facilitate him and in despite of him being ousted he continues to working along side him to derail this new administration.QuoteI want to see now how we would put into practice what he has been told.
I listened to the interview and thought I heard "he" instead of "we". Certainly I think Andre would have been all over "we".
What did you hear?
In Andre's interview with AJW, Lasana reports Jack as stating:i heard a desperate fan boy trying his best to throw sand in the peleau. I used to take this imp seriously especially when he went in on Dave cameron for his failure with West Indies cricket, but here we have a federation president whos performance was on par with mr cameron yet andre not only supports him, he also facilitate him and in despite of him being ousted he continues to working along side him to derail this new administration.QuoteI want to see now how we would put into practice what he has been told.
I listened to the interview and thought I heard "he" instead of "we". Certainly I think Andre would have been all over "we".
What did you hear?
As for what I heard with jack and wallace, I heard a president who went to an old veteran in the business for advise, I think andre is reading way too much into this just like most trinis do.
Him swearing retribution on anyone who wont cooperate with Wallace kinda lets you know hes invested to some kinda degree.
You running to the Privy Council to save your backside.Damn thing is, we need a new tsunami to wash way all these new players. Jack tsunami would probably barely reach DJW , Monty and the dreaded Infant toes today.
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So no comments . Mankind fraid to give jack ah jacket or kudos where due, as Robin Hood was really white and handsome. :devil:
Bet some ppl think Jack more despicable than Trump.
Jack was wrong, but he had many things correct.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
So no comments . Mankind fraid to give jack ah jacket or kudos where due, as Robin Hood was really white and handsome. :devil:
Bet some ppl think Jack more despicable than Trump.
Jack was wrong, but he had many things correct.
Sadly, I agree with JW.jack warner is full of it. him taking a stroll down memory lane boasting of how good it was when he was in charge holds no consolation for us in this present crappy situation. ask warner what he has done for football in the region?
In his day they may have been crooked FKS but the CFU had rank.
VB
Looking forward to doing the biopic on Jack in the coming year..
:beermug:
Looking forward to doing the biopic on Jack in the coming year..
:beermug:
Who you go pick to play Jack?
On November 17, 2022, the Privy Council paved the way for the continuation of the proceedings to extradite Warner to the US to face fraud-related charges. The London court held that the USs request for Warners extradition was not unfair.
This is a real joke. When the PC make a judgement against the TT gov't, the gov't should adhere to that decision because it is the court of final appeal. So why now this judge think the PC is wrong this time. Should they not heed to the PC final decision. If, let's say Rowley had done that, it would be chaos. The legal mafia of TT.