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Sports => Football => Topic started by: futbolfan on May 11, 2010, 05:00:56 PM
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Sad day for football fans worldwide :'( :'( :'( .... Cyah believe Ronnie eh make dis team??? Nahh
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Sad day for football fans worldwide :'( :'( :'( .... Cyah believe Ronnie eh make dis team??? Nahh
RAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Dunga for PRESIDENT!!!!
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Dunga names his Seleção
Brazil WC Squad:
Julio Cesar (Inter Milan), Doni (Roma), Heurelho Gomes (Tottenham); Goalkeepers
Maicon (Inter Milan), Dani Alves (Barcelona), Lucio (Inter Milan), Juan (Roma), Luisao (Roma), Thiago Silva (AC Milan), Gilberto (Cruzeiro), Michel Bastos (Lyon); Defenders
Gilberto Silva (Panathinaikos), Felipe Melo (Juventus), Josue (Wolfsburg), Elano (Galatasaray), Ramires (Benfica), Kleberson (Flamengo), Kaka (Real Madrid), Julio Baptista (Roma); Midfielders
Robinho (Santos/Manchester City), Nilmar (Villarreal), Luis Fabiano (Sevilla), Grafite (Wolfsburg). Forwards
(PA) Tuesday 11 May 2010
(http://www.fifa.com/mm//Photo/WorldFootball/NationalTeams/01/17/65/76/1176576_FULL-LND.jpg)
AFP - Ronaldinho and Adriano will both miss the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™ after being omitted from the 23-man Brazil squad named by Dunga today.
Wolfsburg striker Grafite is the surprise inclusion at the expense of Flamengo's Adriano, while Tottenham goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes is one of the three goalkeepers named.
Dunga explained Adriano's failure to make the squad was a rational, rather than emotional decision after the former Inter Milan forward was granted numerous chances to impress and failed to do so. "Adriano was given several opportunities," said Dunga, who lifted the World Cup trophy as captain in 1994 and will now bid for the Selecao's sixth world crown.
"I beg the Brazilian fan that they support us," he said. "If they don't like me or any other thing, that's fine, but I want him to support us, to be a patriot."
Dunga appeals to Brazilian fans
"There was a moment when we made a decision about the group," he went on. "The group always welcomed Adriano, but there is a moment when reason talks louder than the heart."
The 30-year-old Ronaldinho, who was the FIFA World Player of the Year in 2004 and 2005, has been in good form for AC Milan this season but has missed out on Dunga's squad for the finals in 2010, denying him the chance to add a second world title to the one he won in 2002. One of his team-mates in 2002, former Manchester United midfielder Kleberson, has made it into the squad after rediscovering his best form back in Brazil with Flamengo.
The coach also opted to leave out Santos duo Paulo Henrique and Neymar. Dunga revealed the duo failed to impress enough while on international duty. "I have to test the players when they are in the national team," he said. I follow their form in their clubs, but why didn't you (the media) want them in the squad in December or January? These players are enormously talented, but I cannot prepare a national team for 2014 if I have to win today."
AC Milan's Alexandre Pato has also failed to win selection after a less-than-impressive season in Italy. Inter Milan trio Julio Cesar, Maicon and Lucio will be three of the most important players in the squad after helping the Nerazzurri clinch a berth in the UEFA Champions League final against Bayern Munich.
Brazil have been drawn in Group G alongside Korea DPR, the Ivorians and Portugal and Dunga called for the fans to back the team, regardless of their thoughts on him as coach. "I beg the Brazilian fan that they support us," he said. "If they don't like me or any other thing, that's fine, but I want him to support us, to be a patriot."
*Please note that squad lists only become official after they have been submitted to and announced by FIFA.
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Sad day for football fans worldwide :'( :'( :'( .... Cyah believe Ronnie eh make dis team??? Nahh
Ronaldinho don't play with heart for brazil!! i have ah brazilian breddren name binhio who said most brazilians don't want him on the team after his lack luster performance in germany, and i'm sure dunga feels the same.
he reminds me of scotty, his touches nice, have nuff ball control, but ineffective like ah mug! i eh mad @ dungs, the fella seem tuh know what he's doing BC it works fine. brazil is #1 remember.
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
That's the same team that won the confederation cup. what more creativity yuh want? them fellas move on, no more fanciful BS, is run hard and effectiveness, the only recipe for success.
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
That's the same team that won the confederation cup. what more creativity yuh want? them fellas move on, no more fanciful BS, is run hard and effectiveness, the only recipe for success.
Yeah...daz exacly de formula Spain and Barcelona use to win de Euros and CL respectively
Maybe dem wasn't a success ::)
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
;) cutarse book!
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
Lets be brutally honest in 2006 we sat down with eager anticipation to see ronaldinho light up the WC with his creativity and sadly he never delivered. Experts say he actually had the opposite effect and made Brazil predictable.
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why fire dunga?
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
Lets be brutally honest in 2006 we sat down with eager anticipation to see ronaldinho light up the WC with his creativity and sadly he never delivered. Experts say he actually had the opposite effect and made Brazil predictable.
True....he never lit it up then.
He lightin it up now for Milan tho.
U tellin me Kleberson, Julio Baptista, and Elano could hold a candle to Ronnie now? Dem is better options?
System or no system....dat is dotishness.
If you as a coach cannot find a way to make a talent like Ronaldinho effective in your team....you're no coach.
Same as Messi with Argentina.
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
That's the same team that won the confederation cup. what more creativity yuh want? them fellas move on, no more fanciful BS, is run hard and effectiveness, the only recipe for success.
Yeah...daz exacly de formula Spain and Barcelona use to win de Euros and CL respectively
Maybe dem wasn't a success ::)
Spain didn't win no CL.......a Spanish team of International players did. Not the same thing going on here. After the Euros, Spain looked horrible in the confederations cup.....at least, against the usa...and key players are limping in to this World Cup.....Spain just might disappoint their supporters yet again.
This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
Lets be brutally honest in 2006 we sat down with eager anticipation to see ronaldinho light up the WC with his creativity and sadly he never delivered. Experts say he actually had the opposite effect and made Brazil predictable.
the man to blame for Brazil's poor showing in Germany was not Ronaldinho as so many are quick to blame. It was their coach, Carlos Alberto Parreira. He had that whole team playing too conservative and was trying to have Robinho, Kaka and Ronaldinho each try to be the big cheese in the midfield rather than focus on ONE playmaker and have the team feed off him (Ronaldinho). People forgetting how Ronaldinho lit up Japan in 2002 or what? Brazil had a congested midfield going forward, was relying on an aging defense and a barely fit Ronaldo and underachieving Adriano. There's no way that it was all Ronaldinho's fault that Brazil crashed out to Germany. No way!!
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meh boy grafite make it....rahhhh...look like that backheel pass he give robinho cemented his place in de team.
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Just Cool I will agree that Ronaldinho's performance in the last World Cup was mediocre. This year however he has been the best Brazilian attacker. I am hoping there is last minute change though I doubt it.
Is a real shame. Julio Baptista and Kleberson and no Ronaldinho !
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Dunga is really a dog! I loss rel love for him....you go tell me that he leavin' Ro-Ro out the squad (for whatever reasons) and he takin' shit-snake Doni as one of his 3 'keepers.....and he is no longer even the first-choice at his club?! Nah! Dat is rel shit. After manu light up dat boy in the CL his star has not shone as brightly and he has even lost his spot to another Brazilian that is performing excellently....I really eh know wtf goin' on in Dunga head!
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Wait wait wait.
Allyuh appreciate one major fact bout dat 2006 world cup.
Dinho play rel filth..but he wasnt helped much by the pedestrian wingbacks that brazil had...namely r. carlos and cafu. He is his best when given an overlapping wingback..we all know this. When abidal came to barca and he was more the stay home type...that had a spin off effect. In fact the game ronaldinho and brazil looked best in from the last world cup was the game against japan when with qualification secured cicinho and renato get a sweat.
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the man to blame for Brazil's poor showing in Germany was not Ronaldinho as so many are quick to blame. It was their coach, Carlos Alberto Parreira. He had that whole team playing too conservative and was trying to have Robinho, Kaka and Ronaldinho each try to be the big cheese in the midfield rather than focus on ONE playmaker and have the team feed off him (Ronaldinho). People forgetting how Ronaldinho lit up Japan in 2002 or what? Brazil had a congested midfield going forward, was relying on an aging defense and a barely fit Ronaldo and underachieving Adriano. There's no way that it was all Ronaldinho's fault that Brazil crashed out to Germany. No way!!
Nah it was because of the persistence with Cafu & Roberto Carlos when they were clearly old and way past their best. Robinho didn't play that much in WC2006 - he had a nagging injury that limited him. The game against Japan was the only fluid game Brazil played....why? Because Cafu & Roberto Carlos were benched...and Cicinho and Gilberto (not to be mixed up with ex-Arsenal's Gilberto Silva) played and finally brought back the Brazilian mobility to the wings....they were younger and more mobile and gave Brazil alot more movement (which is why Ronaldinho finally looked good in a game- because he had players moving, providing width, and pulling markers away from him).
One of Brazil's competitive advantages in the modern game is their overlapping wing backs...they've almost revolutionized the position...in WC 2006 it wasn't there...R. Carlos & Cafu were not doing it- they were static..they almost always collected the ball in a standing position in their own half of the field, and in my opinion were one of the key reasons why Brazil was that poor last World Cup...Other than Lucio & Ze Roberto, the entire Brazil squad was average to sub par in their individual performances
That said, this Brazilian team (WC2010) is relatively uninteresting on paper, but in pretty much every game I've seen them play, they've been better than the opposition and by a wide margin too.... so we'll see.
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Wait wait wait.
Allyuh appreciate one major fact bout dat 2006 world cup.
Dinho play rel filth..but he wasnt helped much by the pedestrian wingbacks that brazil had...namely r. carlos and cafu. He is his best when given an overlapping wingback..we all know this. When abidal came to barca and he was more the stay home type...that had a spin off effect. In fact the game ronaldinho and brazil looked best in from the last world cup was the game against japan when with qualification secured cicinho and renato get a sweat.
Glad someone else noticed that -t'was clear as day... but Parreira didn't have the b@lls to bench the big names :beermug:
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the man to blame for Brazil's poor showing in Germany was not Ronaldinho as so many are quick to blame. It was their coach, Carlos Alberto Parreira. He had that whole team playing too conservative and was trying to have Robinho, Kaka and Ronaldinho each try to be the big cheese in the midfield rather than focus on ONE playmaker and have the team feed off him (Ronaldinho). People forgetting how Ronaldinho lit up Japan in 2002 or what? Brazil had a congested midfield going forward, was relying on an aging defense and a barely fit Ronaldo and underachieving Adriano. There's no way that it was all Ronaldinho's fault that Brazil crashed out to Germany. No way!!
Nah it was because of the persistence with Cafu & Roberto Carlos when they were clearly old and way past their best. Robinho didn't play that much in WC2006 - he had a nagging injury that limited him. The game against Japan was the only fluid game Brazil played....why? Because Cafu & Roberto Carlos were benched...and Cicinho and Gilberto (not to be mixed up with ex-Arsenal's Gilberto Silva) played and finally brought back the Brazilian mobility to the wings....they were younger and more mobile and gave Brazil alot more movement (which is why Ronaldinho finally looked good in a game- because he had players moving, providing width, and pulling markers away from him).
One of Brazil's competitive advantages in the modern game is their overlapping wing backs...they've almost revolutionized the position...in WC 2006 it wasn't there...R. Carlos & Cafu were not doing it- they were static..they almost always collected the ball in a standing position in their own half of the field, and in my opinion were one of the key reasons why Brazil was that poor last World Cup...Other than Lucio & Ze Roberto, the entire Brazil squad was average to sub par in their individual performances
That said, this Brazilian team (WC2010) is relatively uninteresting on paper, but in pretty much every game I've seen them play, they've been better than the opposition and by a wide margin too.... so we'll see.
Yeah, yuh right, he was bringin' Robinho on for one of the forwards while playing a two-man midfield, methinks.....but dat is the aging defense I was talking about.....dem two names yuh call dey!....not to mention that it was Roberto Carlos who lost the man he was supposed to be marking that scored the easy goal that eliminated them from Germany!
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Wait wait wait.
Allyuh appreciate one major fact bout dat 2006 world cup.
Dinho play rel filth..but he wasnt helped much by the pedestrian wingbacks that brazil had...namely r. carlos and cafu. He is his best when given an overlapping wingback..we all know this. When abidal came to barca and he was more the stay home type...that had a spin off effect. In fact the game ronaldinho and brazil looked best in from the last world cup was the game against japan when with qualification secured cicinho and renato get a sweat.
Glad someone else noticed that -t'was clear as day... but Parreira didn't have the b@lls to bench the big names :beermug:
We had dat coach he bench Latas
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WTF where diego too??? and pato ???
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WTF where diego too??? and pato ???
Diego had a up and down season for Juve....
i figure thas d only reason
Then again...Dunga nvr call him up that much and always had faith in Baptista and his inconsistency
Pato was expected i feel
had a bad season this yr. Real injuries slow him down...next rounds for him
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The CBF has revealed the seven reserves for the World Cup this afternoon. Many will wish all the players on the list were on the actual team. Others will wish for a Julio Baptista injury, an unlikely scenario because he doesn’t play for his club team.
Diego Tardelli (Atlético-MG)
Ganso (Santos)
Carlos Eduardo (Hoffenheim-ALE)
Marcelo (Real Madrid-ESP)
Alex (Chelsea-ING)
Ronaldinho Gaúcho (Milan-ITA)
Sandro (Internacional-RS)
link: http://brazil.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/the-reserve-list.html
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The CBF has revealed the seven reserves for the World Cup this afternoon. Many will wish all the players on the list were on the actual team. Others will wish for a Julio Baptista injury, an unlikely scenario because he doesn’t play for his club team.
Diego Tardelli (Atlético-MG)
Ganso (Santos)
Carlos Eduardo (Hoffenheim-ALE)
Marcelo (Real Madrid-ESP)
Alex (Chelsea-ING)
Ronaldinho Gaúcho (Milan-ITA)
Sandro (Internacional-RS)
link: http://brazil.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/the-reserve-list.html
oh garddoo they shoulda never publicize this list... somebody might look to "tonya harding" julio baptista or one of dem
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I would like to officially thank Dunga for taking away my fanatical attributes for Brazil and its football since 1970. I will watch this World Cup with no real expectations as I have done in the past. As long as he is in charge of the national team I will reserve my support. This sh*t he pull today is personal pure and simple. He doesn't want Ronnie on the team based on some personal reason and what took place in Germany. It didn't help Ronnie that he bypass an invitation from Dunga to join the team when he first took over the reigns. Kaka did the same thing and was given a pass. I keep hearing men talking about 2006. The last time i checked this is 2010. When i look at players performance for their clubs the past 5 months. No one could convince me that Ronnie didn't make a serious case to be included into this 23 man squad. Dunga announced the 23 man squad because he knew Ronnie was in the 30 and didn't want to encourage any speculation. When you giving Adriano serious consideration for all his mishaps and you don't want to cut Ronnie some slack who has been handling his stories all these months. Robinho is meh boy but he was rotting on Mancity bench and was still called up against Ireland. Since the confed cup where has Fabiano been. You know what let me drop this f&^%Ing thing yes. I can't remember being this F&^%ING MAD OVER FOOTBALL. Dunga is C*&T NUFF SAID
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Deigo, Pato and Ronaldinho didnt have good seasons, they really suck. Dunga is rite in his selection, that squad looking rel hard.. wait and see.
Lets start from the back, Julio with Maicon and Lucio has already proved twice that they can defend the best, once in confeds and then in cl this season not to mention the coppa italia. With both Maicon and Dani Alves pushing up both sides of the flanks all you need is a solid midfield and that is.. Baptista, Kaka(if fit) Silva, Lucio, robinho and up front you have Fabiano..
On the bench, Elano etc
Alot of people dont understand and see that football has changed. Its not about show anymore, it's about winning and this Brazil team the team to beat come June. It is no mistake that they are ranked number one ahead of spain and defending champs italia.
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I would like to officially thank Dunga for taking away my fanatical attributes for Brazil and its football since 1970. I will watch this World Cup with no real expectations as I have done in the past. As long as he is in charge of the national team I will reserve my support. This sh*t he pull today is personal pure and simple. He doesn't want Ronnie on the team based on some personal reason and what took place in Germany. It didn't help Ronnie that he bypass an invitation from Dunga to join the team when he first took over the reigns. Kaka did the same thing and was given a pass. I keep hearing men talking about 2006. The last time i checked this is 2010. When i look at players performance for their clubs the past 5 months. No one could convince me that Ronnie didn't make a serious case to be included into this 23 man squad. Dunga announced the 23 man squad because he knew Ronnie was in the 30 and didn't want to encourage any speculation. When you giving Adriano serious consideration for all his mishaps and you don't want to cut Ronnie some slack who has been handling his stories all these months. Robinho is meh boy but he was rotting on Mancity bench and was still called up against Ireland. Since the confed cup where has Fabiano been. You know what let me drop this f&^%Ing thing yes. I can't remember being this F&^%ING MAD OVER FOOTBALL. Dunga is C*&T NUFF SAID
now i eh fighting ya opinion...i could care less cause i not a brazil dan
but....
ya side still decent without ronaldinho
he probably wasnt gonna start anyway
Elano more than likely gonna start anyway
tho i think he should take ronaldinho in d 23..but it aint the end of the world
Brazil still not gonna win it either way! lol (had to throw that in )
i more surprised that Cris not there and to a lesser extent Alex ( at least he in d reserves)
and doni in d 23 is a tief head too...
thought julio sergio or Helton coulda get a bly but he the most experienced 2nd keeper i guess...along with Gomes
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Deigo, Pato and Ronaldinho didnt have good seasons, they really suck. Dunga is rite in his selection, that squad looking rel hard.. wait and see.
Lets start from the back, Julio with Maicon and Lucio has already proved twice that they can defend the best, once in confeds and then in cl this season not to mention the coppa italia. With both Maicon and Dani Alves pushing up both sides of the flanks all you need is a solid midfield and that is.. Baptista, Kaka(if fit) Silva, Lucio, robinho and up front you have Fabiano..
On the bench, Elano etc
Alot of people dont understand and see that football has changed. Its not about show anymore, it's about winning and this Brazil team the team to beat come June. It is no mistake that they are ranked number one ahead of spain and defending champs italia.
ammmmmmm
10 goals and 14 assists...still a damn good output
he wasnt in d kinda form at Barca but he had a decent season
still slows down the game too much and can hide but he deserve to go
Pato had a bad season but Diego coulda make still i figure
juve jus did bad
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Deigo, Pato and Ronaldinho didnt have good seasons, they really suck. Dunga is rite in his selection, that squad looking rel hard.. wait and see.
Lets start from the back, Julio with Maicon and Lucio has already proved twice that they can defend the best, once in confeds and then in cl this season not to mention the coppa italia. With both Maicon and Dani Alves pushing up both sides of the flanks all you need is a solid midfield and that is.. Baptista, Kaka(if fit) Silva, Lucio, robinho and up front you have Fabiano..
On the bench, Elano etc
Alot of people dont understand and see that football has changed. Its not about show anymore, it's about winning and this Brazil team the team to beat come June. It is no mistake that they are ranked number one ahead of spain and defending champs italia.
....from one thread to another you jes' proving that you know absolutely nothing but to talk out the crack of your ass. Diego, Ronaldinho and Pato suck? Boy where allyuh does come out from? WTF you does be watching?
Diego played well for Juventus but was overshadowed by the club's failures. Pato's only strike against him was the fact that he got injured this season and Ronaldinho's performance for Milan this season, while short of his very best, was at least worth MAJOR consideration for inclusion to SA. Also, if you think that style points are not a requirement for Brazil, regardless of good results then you not talking from as high a point as that crack I was giving you credit for.
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This squad missin some "OOMPH"
Other than Kaka & to a lesser extent Robinho....there is no creativity
I doh like dis squad but willin to eat my words if dey perform.
Without a doubt now, Spain will be the best footballing nation on the pitch at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.
Lets be brutally honest in 2006 we sat down with eager anticipation to see ronaldinho light up the WC with his creativity and sadly he never delivered. Experts say he actually had the opposite effect and made Brazil predictable.
True....he never lit it up then.
He lightin it up now for Milan tho.
U tellin me Kleberson, Julio Baptista, and Elano could hold a candle to Ronnie now? Dem is better options?
System or no system....dat is dotishness.
If you as a coach cannot find a way to make a talent like Ronaldinho effective in your team....you're no coach.
Same as Messi with Argentina.
Just want to Interject If i may with all due respect. To make Ronaldinhio effective yes but the fact of the matter Dunga wants players big name or not to give their all and hustle if they loose the ball. And Ron does not always really work to get the ball back if he looses it and I think it was done also to humble Ronnie to let him know that he doesn't care he is still the coach and he has final selection on how makes it or not. Though in my humble opinion i think Dunga wants the national team to play effective football meaning that they adapt their playing style to the opposition, so lets wait till their first game before we start rolling heads about my team's national selection
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http://www.youtube.com/v/pPwZuJs5Gz8&fmt=18
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Dunga is ah bamsee. Jealous bitch. He go say things like picking men in form but mash up man Kaka is a shoe in. Steups. He and Dinho did knock heads for sure. No Pato is a head scratcher too. Adriano is where he should be watching de WC on tv.
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why you guys bickering about Brazil. Maradonna is the real story here. Check out this crap.
Javier Zanetti and Esteban Cambiasso are set to miss the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™ after not being included in coach Diego Maradona's 30-man preliminary squad.
The Inter Milan pair have been two of the key players for Serie A champions Inter Milan and have been integral in the team reaching the UEFA Champions League final against Bayern Munich. Real Madrid midfielder Fernando Gago and Barcelona central defender Gabriel Milito are other prominent absentees.
Inter, though, will be represented by striker Diego Milito, defender Walter Samuel while Bayern defender Martin Demichelis has also been selected. Five English-based players have been included - Manchester City striker Carlos Tevez, Newcastle pair Fabricio Coloccini and Jonas Gutierrez and Liverpool duo Javier Mascherano and Maxi Rodriguez.
Colon defender Ariel Garce - who has one cap - Lanus midfielder Sebastian Blanco and Newell's Old Boys defender Juan Manuel Insaurralde are the surprise players. Martin Palermo could play in his first FIFA World Cup at the age of 36 after being selected following his achievements at Boca Juniors where he became their all-time top scorer.
Argentinos Juniors midfielder Juan Mercier, Colon keeper Diego Pozo, Estudiantes wing Jose Sosa (on loan from Bayern Munich) and Velez Sarsfield defender Nicolas Otamendi complete the nine-man home-based players list. Maradona did not speak to the local media while the Argentinian FA revealed the list of players to fight for the 23 berths in the official roster.
Argentina squad
Goalkeepers: Sergio Romero (AZ Alkmaar/Netherlands), Mariano Andujar (Catania/Italy), Diego Pozo (Colon)
Defenders: Nicolas Burdisso (Inter Milan/Italy), Martin Demichelis (Bayern Munich/Germany), Walter Samuel (Inter Milan/Italy), Gabriel Heinze (Marseille/France), Nicolas Otamendi (Velez Sarsfield), Fabricio Coloccini (Newcastle/England), Juan Manuel Insaurralde (Newell's Old Boys), Clemente Rodriguez (Estudiantes), Ariel Garce (Colon)
Midfielders: Javier Mascherano (Liverpool/England), Sebastian Blanco (Lanus), Juan Sebastian Veron (Estudiantes), Jesus Datolo (Olympiacos/Greece), Jose Sosa (Estudiantes), Maximiliano Rodriguez (Liverpool/England), Mario Bolatti (Fiorentina/Italy), Juan Mercier (Argentinos Juniors), Angel Di Maria (Benfica/Portugal), Jonas Gutierrez (Newcastle/England), Javier Pastore (Palermo/Italy)
Forwards: Sergio Aguero (Atletico Madrid/Spain), Diego Milito (Inter Milan/Italy), Martin Palermo (Boca Juniors), Carlos Tevez (Manchester City/England), Gonzalo Higuain (Real Madrid/Spain), Lionel Messi (Barcelona/Spain), Ezequiel Lavezzi (Napoli/Italy)
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Deigo, Pato and Ronaldinho didnt have good seasons, they really suck. Dunga is rite in his selection, that squad looking rel hard.. wait and see.
Lets start from the back, Julio with Maicon and Lucio has already proved twice that they can defend the best, once in confeds and then in cl this season not to mention the coppa italia. With both Maicon and Dani Alves pushing up both sides of the flanks all you need is a solid midfield and that is.. Baptista, Kaka(if fit) Silva, Lucio, robinho and up front you have Fabiano..
On the bench, Elano etc
Alot of people dont understand and see that football has changed. Its not about show anymore, it's about winning and this Brazil team the team to beat come June. It is no mistake that they are ranked number one ahead of spain and defending champs italia.
....from one thread to another you jes' proving that you know absolutely nothing but to talk out the crack of your ass. Diego, Ronaldinho and Pato suck? Boy where allyuh does come out from? WTF you does be watching?
Diego played well for Juventus but was overshadowed by the club's failures. Pato's only strike against him was the fact that he got injured this season and Ronaldinho's performance for Milan this season, while short of his very best, was at least worth MAJOR consideration for inclusion to SA. Also, if you think that style points are not a requirement for Brazil, regardless of good results then you not talking from as high a point as that crack I was giving you credit for.
Haha exactly... I aint the coach, but from previous games....Maicon and Dani alves would be doubtful to start a game. He would not pick 2 left backs in Bastos and Gilberto to have Alves on d field. and Ronnie and Pato suck?? You hav to be kidding. They making any other World Cup team.
This team is dependent on an in form Luis Fabiano or whoever plays the lone front man as in the confed cup.
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why you guys bickering about Brazil. Maradonna is the real story here. Check out this crap.
Javier Zanetti and Esteban Cambiasso are set to miss the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™ after not being included in coach Diego Maradona's 30-man preliminary squad.
The Inter Milan pair have been two of the key players for Serie A champions Inter Milan and have been integral in the team reaching the UEFA Champions League final against Bayern Munich. Real Madrid midfielder Fernando Gago and Barcelona central defender Gabriel Milito are other prominent absentees.
Inter, though, will be represented by striker Diego Milito, defender Walter Samuel while Bayern defender Martin Demichelis has also been selected. Five English-based players have been included - Manchester City striker Carlos Tevez, Newcastle pair Fabricio Coloccini and Jonas Gutierrez and Liverpool duo Javier Mascherano and Maxi Rodriguez.
Colon defender Ariel Garce - who has one cap - Lanus midfielder Sebastian Blanco and Newell's Old Boys defender Juan Manuel Insaurralde are the surprise players. Martin Palermo could play in his first FIFA World Cup at the age of 36 after being selected following his achievements at Boca Juniors where he became their all-time top scorer.
Argentinos Juniors midfielder Juan Mercier, Colon keeper Diego Pozo, Estudiantes wing Jose Sosa (on loan from Bayern Munich) and Velez Sarsfield defender Nicolas Otamendi complete the nine-man home-based players list. Maradona did not speak to the local media while the Argentinian FA revealed the list of players to fight for the 23 berths in the official roster.
Argentina squad
Goalkeepers: Sergio Romero (AZ Alkmaar/Netherlands), Mariano Andujar (Catania/Italy), Diego Pozo (Colon)
Defenders: Nicolas Burdisso (Inter Milan/Italy), Martin Demichelis (Bayern Munich/Germany), Walter Samuel (Inter Milan/Italy), Gabriel Heinze (Marseille/France), Nicolas Otamendi (Velez Sarsfield), Fabricio Coloccini (Newcastle/England), Juan Manuel Insaurralde (Newell's Old Boys), Clemente Rodriguez (Estudiantes), Ariel Garce (Colon)
Midfielders: Javier Mascherano (Liverpool/England), Sebastian Blanco (Lanus), Juan Sebastian Veron (Estudiantes), Jesus Datolo (Olympiacos/Greece), Jose Sosa (Estudiantes), Maximiliano Rodriguez (Liverpool/England), Mario Bolatti (Fiorentina/Italy), Juan Mercier (Argentinos Juniors), Angel Di Maria (Benfica/Portugal), Jonas Gutierrez (Newcastle/England), Javier Pastore (Palermo/Italy)
Forwards: Sergio Aguero (Atletico Madrid/Spain), Diego Milito (Inter Milan/Italy), Martin Palermo (Boca Juniors), Carlos Tevez (Manchester City/England), Gonzalo Higuain (Real Madrid/Spain), Lionel Messi (Barcelona/Spain), Ezequiel Lavezzi (Napoli/Italy)
Yeh Maradona has greatly disappointed me, he picks Colocini, VERON and Heinze yet Gabriel Milito and Cambiasso who deserve to be in this squad aren't...this squad is six times worse than Brazil selection...
IN FACT, Brazil's squad is quite solid. the team is made up of the core of players that DUNGA HAS HAD SUCCESS WITH. Leave alyuh love for magic and nostalgia with Dinho out of your sight and think rationally, DUnga going for results...the Brazil squad is quite good.
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IN FACT, Brazil's squad is quite solid. the team is made up of the core of players that DUNGA HAS HAD SUCCESS WITH. Leave alyuh love for magic and nostalgia with Dinho out of your sight and think rationally, DUnga going for results...the Brazil squad is quite good.
:applause: Exactly. If you are looking for football with flair, dig out your World Cup '82 and '86 DVDs. Unfortunately, this Brazil team is physical and very European in its style. It's not pretty to watch, but time will tell if it's effective. :beermug:
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could Dinho become a naturalized trini...?
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:applause: Exactly. If you are looking for football with flair, dig out your World Cup '82 and '86 DVDs. Unfortunately, this Brazil team is physical and very European in its style. It's not pretty to watch, but time will tell if it's effective. :beermug:
And they still have a better knock than 99% of int'l teams out there...
Brazil is just judged on a higher standard than others when it comes to expectations of "attractive" football...
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The man making a strategic decision.
If you have both Robinhino and Rolnaldihno on the team either one can be the creative midfielder.
He is saying to Robinhino
you are our creative player, go out and win a world cup.
which is a good move since Robinhino will be around for 2014 for sure.
Strategic decision.
He could easily have dropped kleberson or josue and put Ronnie in.
But it is important to let go of the past to focus on the future.
Ronaldo could not run the show unless Romario left and look how good that turned out.
I backing Brazil to win!
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Maradonna at least have de excuse of being a crackhead.
Btw..i hear he had reporters waiting outside de AFA office bout 8hrs...den he just went straight into de office and give them it to put up on de website.....ahahaha.
and with dunga....it eh make sense.....i leaving it dey. I woulda like ronaldinho to make it...buh i cyar change nuttin. Anything less than success doh....dey go roast him.
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allyuh men overreacting..
doh get me wrong i real, real vex that ronaldinho get left out.. but that was dunga decision long time, he is picking the best team not the best individuals.. it making no sense to compare the kleberson, josue and julio baptista picks because them men operating in different positions..
this team he pick is the same team that has been playing like a well oiled machine for the last few years.. Besides ronaldinho, who are the other glaring ommissions? Pato injured whole season and Adriano busy boosting Johnnie Walker profits..
The only argument i have besides dinho is not including Alex (from Chelsea) and Helton but those are fringe players anyway.
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allyuh men overreacting..
doh get me wrong i real, real vex that ronaldinho get left out.. but that was dunga decision long time, he is picking the best team not the best individuals.. it making no sense to compare the kleberson, josue and julio baptista picks because them men operating in different positions..
this team he pick is the same team that has been playing like a well oiled machine for the last few years.. Besides ronaldinho, who are the other glaring ommissions? Pato injured whole season and Adriano busy boosting Johnnie Walker profits..
The only argument i have besides dinho is not including Alex (from Chelsea) and Helton but those are fringe players anyway.
nice sensible post
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:applause: Exactly. If you are looking for football with flair, dig out your World Cup '82 and '86 DVDs. Unfortunately, this Brazil team is physical and very European in its style. It's not pretty to watch, but time will tell if it's effective. :beermug:
And they still have a better knock than 99% of int'l teams out there...
Brazil is just judged on a higher standard than others when it comes to expectations of "attractive" football...
I bet yuh $10 de knock look like shyte in d World Cup.
Fabiano eh rippin as much as he was last year, Kaka is not fully fit and Robinho basically playin fete match back home.
They just lucky they have killers like Cesar, Lucio, Maicon and Alves in d back.
CR9 goin tuh real rip dat
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....from one thread to another you jes' proving that you know absolutely nothing but to talk out the crack of your ass. Diego, Ronaldinho and Pato suck? Boy where allyuh does come out from? WTF you does be watching?
Diego played well for Juventus but was overshadowed by the club's failures. Pato's only strike against him was the fact that he got injured this season and Ronaldinho's performance for Milan this season, while short of his very best, was at least worth MAJOR consideration for inclusion to SA. Also, if you think that style points are not a requirement for Brazil, regardless of good results then you not talking from as high a point as that crack I was giving you credit for.
Yea sure.. You rate Diego because your judgement is based on flashy moves and not results. .. he isn't the player that Juve needs. For eg. When Zidane left for Madrid everyone expected The Old Lady to be scraping yet they got Nedved. Can you class Nedved with Deigo? In Nedved first season he won the scudetto with Juve and then the CL, with Diego they not even qualified for the Champions league. Pato? Another BIG waste of time, I rather watch Wigan play than watch Ac Milan these days.
Who else OH YEA... Ronaldinho... another big waste of time.. literally.
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I agree that a player should be selected on merit. In terms of form and fitness over the course of 09/10 season surely Ronaldinho is worth a selection. If even to come of the bench. He scored 13 goals this year and had 17 assists on one of the toughest leagues in the world.
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I agree that a player should be selected on merit. In terms of form and fitness over the course of 09/10 season surely Ronaldinho is worth a selection. If even to come of the bench. He scored 13 goals this year and had 17 assists on one of the toughest leagues in the world.
Jah Gol, i believe this is another problem with picking Ronaldinho.. When you pick a player like that then that is an immediate responsibility to play him, because you know when tournament start, the next brouhaha go be how yuh go leave Ronnie on de bench??
It would even upset the chemistry, think about it..
Imagine you have your system and your brand set up running smooth, but you know all the brazilian players and fans have an admiration for Ronaldinho.. In practice, Ronaldinho looking a cut above everyone else, but Robinho is your first choice for the left for the other things he brings to the team operating in that system. That kinda undermines the team, the coach's authority and upsets the balance if you have a player like him on the bench.
I dunno, thats just my view.
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In practice, Ronaldinho looking a cut above everyone else, but Robinho is your first choice for the left for the other things he brings to the team operating in that system. That kinda undermines the team, the coach's authority and upsets the balance if you have a player like him on the bench.
I dunno, thats just my view.
Well if Ronaldinho lookin a cut above everybody else in practice, and de coach DO NOT play him or worse yet, don't select him at all because de coach fear it undermines HIS authority and upsets the balance if a player like him on de bench especially when somebody else is his first choice....then what does that really say about that coach's authority?
What does it tell the team that the player that is playing the best in practice in that coach's system is left on the bench because he wasn't originally the coach's first choice?
It says to me that coach doh have the humility to accept when he's wrong and right the wrong for the benefit of the TEAM. I wouldn't want he for my coach daz fuh sure.
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In practice, Ronaldinho looking a cut above everyone else, but Robinho is your first choice for the left for the other things he brings to the team operating in that system. That kinda undermines the team, the coach's authority and upsets the balance if you have a player like him on the bench.
I dunno, thats just my view.
Well if Ronaldinho lookin a cut above everybody else in practice, and de coach DO NOT play him or worse yet, don't select him at all because de coach fear it undermines HIS authority and upsets the balance if a player like him on de bench especially when somebody else is his first choice....then what does that really say about that coach's authority?
What does it tell the team that the player that is playing the best in practice in that coach's system is left on the bench because he wasn't originally the coach's first choice?
It says to me that coach doh have the humility to accept when he's wrong and right the wrong for the benefit of the TEAM. I wouldn't want he for my coach daz fuh sure.
i don't think you get where i coming from..
my point is that in Dunga's system, he probably sees Robinho as the best FIT.. He linking well with the wing backs, he leading the counter attack and most importantly he tracking back on defence. While Ronaldinho might be technically a much better player, he might not fit the system as well because the system has to adapt to him.. He is a collect the ball, create and make things happen player, Robinho is better suited for the counter.. At Barcelona and at Milan the systems tailored to suit his game.
I think it upsets the balance because now you have a world star on your bench isn't first choice for your system, but is bringing unwanted pressure on the team to include in the first team (especially if they start slow).
Like i said, i not in Dunga head I just trying to think why he would leave him out other than personal grouse.. But you could see he pick his system in front of his players.
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I agree that a player should be selected on merit. In terms of form and fitness over the course of 09/10 season surely Ronaldinho is worth a selection. If even to come of the bench. He scored 13 goals this year and had 17 assists on one of the toughest leagues in the world.
Jah Gol, i believe this is another problem with picking Ronaldinho.. When you pick a player like that then that is an immediate responsibility to play him, because you know when tournament start, the next brouhaha go be how yuh go leave Ronnie on de bench??
It would even upset the chemistry, think about it..
Imagine you have your system and your brand set up running smooth, but you know all the brazilian players and fans have an admiration for Ronaldinho.. In practice, Ronaldinho looking a cut above everyone else, but Robinho is your first choice for the left for the other things he brings to the team operating in that system. That kinda undermines the team, the coach's authority and upsets the balance if you have a player like him on the bench.
I dunno, thats just my view.
I buy into the whole chemistry thing. It's very important to the team. I don't think the inclusion of Ronaldinho would be a threat to the team chemistry especially after the kind of season he had. Dinho is the kinda locksmith they will need against the more talented teams. I honestly think its a mistake leaving him out.
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I think Brasil will be fine-they have a solid defense including keeper which will help them check other sides, as afar of the offensive side of the ball they have enough to score. If they play an offensive side like Spain or Holland I think they can beat them. Brasil will always be Brasil.
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I DO NOT agree with Dunga leaving out Ronaldinho from the WC squad BUT to fire him at this stage in the game, right before the tournament will do more harm than good to Brazil
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The trade off for Ronaldinho is apparently not Robinho...
There have been Robinho interviews where he (Robinho) has claimed that his selection on the team is at the expense of Pato. According to Dunga, it's not the best use of resources to have them (Robinho & Pato) on the field at the same time.
Goes to show that we probably do NOT know what the coach's vision is.
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Just Cool I will agree that Ronaldinho's performance in the last World Cup was mediocre. This year however he has been the best Brazilian attacker. I am hoping there is last minute change though I doubt it.
Is a real shame. Julio Baptista and Kleberson and no Ronaldinho !
Jah, i not doggin dinho, but rather repeating what i hear from my brazilianos breddrens. word is on the streets of brasil is, the ppl don't want tuh see dinho back on the national team, they said he's lazy and restricts the team.
that's from the horses mouth and not the horses arse! as for me, i really don't care, my team iz france, so all the brasilinos/trinianos that's allyuh head ache! as for the decision tuh leave out dinho, i commend dunga 100%. i think dinho would not fit into this system well.
brazil under dunga has been extremely successful, so why change ah winning team? them men runnin hard dread! they playing race horse football while dinho needs time tuh be effective. BTW, brazil winnin this WC in fine style under dungs IMO.
PS: how come no body eh crying for patos, he get blank too, and he's more dangerous than dinho in the goal scoring department.
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Just Cool I will agree that Ronaldinho's performance in the last World Cup was mediocre. This year however he has been the best Brazilian attacker. I am hoping there is last minute change though I doubt it.
Is a real shame. Julio Baptista and Kleberson and no Ronaldinho !
Jah, i not doggin dinho, but rather repeating what i hear from my brazilianos breddrens. word is on the streets of brasil is, the ppl don't want tuh see dinho back on the national team, they said he's lazy and restricts the team.
that's from the horses mouth and not the horses arse! as for me, i really don't care, my team iz france, so all the brasilinos/trinianos that's allyuh head ache! as for the decision tuh leave out dinho, i commend dunga 100%. i think dinho would not fit into this system well.
brazil under dunga has been extremely successful, so why change ah winning team? them men runnin hard dread! they playing race horse football while dinho needs time tuh be effective. BTW, brazil winnin this WC in fine style under dungs IMO.
PS: how come no body eh crying for patos, he get blank too, and he's more dangerous than dinho in the goal scoring department.
You are right about Dunga's performance as coach. This Brazilian team is the most organised team in the world. Spain is the most talented. I guess the results have given him the mandate to do what he wants including leaving out a player who could make a difference at the cup
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....from one thread to another you jes' proving that you know absolutely nothing but to talk out the crack of your ass. Diego, Ronaldinho and Pato suck? Boy where allyuh does come out from? WTF you does be watching?
Diego played well for Juventus but was overshadowed by the club's failures. Pato's only strike against him was the fact that he got injured this season and Ronaldinho's performance for Milan this season, while short of his very best, was at least worth MAJOR consideration for inclusion to SA. Also, if you think that style points are not a requirement for Brazil, regardless of good results then you not talking from as high a point as that crack I was giving you credit for.
Yea sure.. You rate Diego because your judgement is based on flashy moves and not results. .. he isn't the player that Juve needs. For eg. When Zidane left for Madrid everyone expected The Old Lady to be scraping yet they got Nedved. Can you class Nedved with Deigo? In Nedved first season he won the scudetto with Juve and then the CL, with Diego they not even qualified for the Champions league. Pato? Another BIG waste of time, I rather watch Wigan play than watch Ac Milan these days.
Who else OH YEA... Ronaldinho... another big waste of time.. literally.
Me eh go stop you from watchin' Wigan AT ALL, Boss and yuh should start with none other than the last game they played. Clearly, from the pack ah ass you talkin', that is the only brand of football you could relate to and/or appreciate.
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BREAKING NEWS,,,,, BEENHAKER GIVE LATAPY ONLY 23 WORLD CUP MINUTES FROM A POSSIBLE 270 MINS
f#ck Dunga...F#ck..Ronnie..F#ck Adriano and F#ck Zamora
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a 94 setup. Dunga have large balls to do this.
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DOH FORGET TO ADD IN YUH BREAKING NEWS THAT THE WORLD ALSO LOOKED AT TRINI FOOTBALL A LIL DIFFERENTLY DURING THE WC AS WELL. WE COMPARING APPLES AND GRAPES. NOT SURE OTHER COUNTRIES WOULD GLADLY ADD LATAS TO THEIR ROSTER IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. YUH KNOW TEETHS GETTING MUCH MORE LOVE ON ANY OTHER WORLD CUP ROSTER IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE :rotfl:
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What Robinho, Neymar and Ganso getting on with here lol :rotfl:
http://www.youtube.com/v/NoWxTcEakX0
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BREAKING NEWS,,,,, BEENHAKER GIVE LATAPY ONLY 23 WORLD CUP MINUTES FROM A POSSIBLE 270 MINS
f#ck Dunga...F#ck..Ronnie..F#ck Adriano and F#ck Zamora
But yuh never add F#ck....Rooney 8)
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Zanetti and Cambiasso must be wondering what else must they do to be included... very very sad selection by maradonna, like latapy is digging a grave of which it will be hard to come out from once they fail.
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PS: how come no body eh crying for patos, he get blank too, and he's more dangerous than dinho in the goal scoring department.
You know the difference between those two players right?
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PS: how come no body eh crying for patos, he get blank too, and he's more dangerous than dinho in the goal scoring department.
You know the difference between those two players right?
No oh great one. :nailbiting: could you please enlighten this lost backward ignoramus with your superior footballing knowledge. i'm in awe of you oh knowledgeable one, please brace me with your whits oh soccer guru. :notworthy: i'm all ears. :waiting:
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i feel really sad for zanetti.. poor guy should of atleast made the bench in what could of been his last wc.. heartbreaker..
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I like ronaldinho eh but I tryin to understand d furor lil bit, dis is not practically d same brazil side dat systematically dismantle all comers in d confed cup not so long ago ???, It mightn be d brazilian football we accustom to, but d ruthless efficiency in d way dem fellas get dat job done was beautiful in it own right MHO