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Re: Bin Laden dead
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2011, 08:19:38 AM »
Top Secret Stealth Helicopter Program Revealed in Osama Bin Laden Raid: Experts



Before an elite team of U.S. Navy SEALs executed a daring raid that took down Osama bin Laden, the commandos were able to silently sneak up on their elusive target thanks to what aviation analysts said were top secret, never-before-seen stealth-modified helicopters.

In the course of the operation that cost the al Qaeda leader his life, one of the two Blackhawk helicopters that carried the SEALs into bin Laden's Pakistani compound grazed one of the compound's wall and was forced to make a hard landing. With the chopper inoperable, at the end of the mission the SEALs destroyed it with explosives.

But photos of what survived the explosion -- the tail section of the craft with curious modifications -- has sent military analysts buzzing about a stealth helicopter program that was only rumored to exist. From a modified tail boom to a noise reducing covering on the rear rotors and a special high-tech material similar to that used in stealth fighters, former Department of Defense official and vice president of the Lexington Institute Dan Goure said the bird is like nothing he's ever seen before.

"This is a first," he said. "You wouldn't know that it was coming right at you. And that's what's important, because these are coming in fast and low, and if they aren't sounding like they're coming right at you, you might not even react until it's too late... That was clearly part of the success."

In addition to the noise-reducing modifications, a former special operations aviator told The Army Times the general shape of what was left of the craft -- the harsh angles and flat surfaces more common to stealth jets -- was further evidence it was a modified variant of the Blackhawk.

A senior Pentagon official told ABC News the Defense Department would "absolutely not" comment on anything relating to the destroyed bird.

Neighbors of bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, told ABC News they didn't hear the helicopters the night of the Sunday raid until they were directly overhead. The rotor covering, along with a special rotor design, suppressed the choppers noise while inbound, Bill Sweetman, editor and chief of Defense Technology International, said.

"Helicopters make a very distinctive percussive rotor sound which is caused by their rotor blades and if you can blend that down, of course that makes a noise that is much less likely to be heard and much more likely to blend into any background noise that there is," Sweetman said.

The U.S. has attempted to use stealth helicopters before. In the mid-90s, the Army developed several prototypes of the Comanche helicopter, a reconnaissance helicopter that was at the time a revolutionary step in stealth technology. But in 2004 the Department of Defense scrapped the program and promised to used technology developed for the Comanche on other crafts.

Since, the government has been working to silence the Army's Blackhawk helicopters but an official program for the stealth choppers was never publicized. The wreckage, Sweetman said, is the first the public has ever seen of an operational stealth-modified helicopter.

Goure said he believes the stealthy Blackhawks have been in use for years without the public's knowledge.

"We probably have been running hundreds of missions with these helicopters over the last half dozen years, and the fact is, they've all been successful -- or at least the helicopters have all come back," he said.

But now that one went down and photographs emerged of large sections being taken from the crash site under a tarp, former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke said U.S. officials may have reason to worry about where those parts end up.

"There are probably people in the Pentagon tonight who are very concerned that pieces of the helicopter may be, even now, on their way to China, because we know that China is trying to make stealth aircraft," he said. The Chinese military is known to have a close relationship with the Pakistani military.



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« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2011, 09:17:47 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2011, 10:00:35 AM »
That's the thing to me that was most remarkable in that mission, I've always wondered what type of helicopter they used. Imagine 2 helicopters came in above the compound with over 2 dozen navy seals and hardly a sound could be heard and in Trini we have a blimp that can be heard from Penal when it's in POS. ;D
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« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2011, 10:14:37 AM »
the actual operation get an A- but de followup is a C- at best. end of de day dey shoot an unarmed man. why pretend it was a capture mission? big fancy stealth helicopter but dey eh have tazer and ducttape for bin laden if dey plan to keep him alive? now dey talking like bin laden make a move so and dey had to shoot him. pleaze.  ::)

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« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2011, 11:08:28 AM »
when the movie coming out?
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« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2011, 12:35:56 PM »
when the movie coming out?

Bollywood makin one as we type

Ah feel in de final scene dey go have Osama and the Seals doin ah bhangra dance number around de helicopters
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« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2011, 12:54:03 PM »
when the movie coming out?

Bollywood makin one as we type

Ah feel in de final scene dey go have Osama and the Seals doin ah bhangra dance number around de helicopters

look dey cast de prez already ...



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« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2011, 12:58:04 PM »
when the movie coming out?

Bollywood makin one as we type

Ah feel in de final scene dey go have Osama and the Seals doin ah bhangra dance number around de helicopters

look dey cast de prez already ...



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« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2011, 01:20:30 PM »
osama? yuh mean musafa
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« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2011, 01:33:38 PM »
osama? yuh mean musafa

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« Reply #101 on: May 05, 2011, 05:04:04 PM »
the debris must be on the slow boat to China by now. ah sure they pay top dollar to have children comb through the grass and pick up the pieces.

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« Reply #102 on: May 05, 2011, 09:01:34 PM »
apparently de rules of engagement for de SEALs say to assume that bin laden is wearing a suicide vest and then they are justified in taking him out. so de only way he could surrender is if he was bareback. but den he could have a suicide belt. so he had do be butt naked to surrender. dat is de rules of engagement.

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« Reply #103 on: May 05, 2011, 09:05:53 PM »
the actual operation get an A- but de followup is a C- at best. end of de day dey shoot an unarmed man. why pretend it was a capture mission? big fancy stealth helicopter but dey eh have tazer and ducttape for bin laden if dey plan to keep him alive? now dey talking like bin laden make a move so and dey had to shoot him. pleaze.  ::)

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« Reply #104 on: May 05, 2011, 09:06:33 PM »
apparently de rules of engagement for de SEALs say to assume that bin laden is wearing a suicide vest and then they are justified in taking him out. so de only way he could surrender is if he was bareback. but den he could have a suicide belt. so he had do be butt naked to surrender. dat is de rules of engagement.

*slow hand clap*

Better than having to share 12 vestal virgins with him... but I sure yuh eh done with yuh carping and nitpicking yet.

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« Reply #105 on: May 06, 2011, 02:48:27 AM »
his son Hamza bin Laden killed in the raid by the us navy seals . more photos will be leaked day by day. Photo from Reuters
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« Reply #106 on: May 06, 2011, 03:07:42 AM »
Video of him growing up as a terrorist
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« Reply #107 on: May 06, 2011, 10:36:44 AM »
apparently de rules of engagement for de SEALs say to assume that bin laden is wearing a suicide vest and then they are justified in taking him out. so de only way he could surrender is if he was bareback. but den he could have a suicide belt. so he had do be butt naked to surrender. dat is de rules of engagement.

*slow hand clap*

Better than having to share 12 vestal virgins with him... but I sure yuh eh done with yuh carping and nitpicking yet.

geez, is only 12 now and dey vestal :o


the actual operation get an A- but de followup is a C- at best. end of de day dey shoot an unarmed man. why pretend it was a capture mission? big fancy stealth helicopter but dey eh have tazer and ducttape for bin laden if dey plan to keep him alive? now dey talking like bin laden make a move so and dey had to shoot him. pleaze.  ::)

We really need ah sarcasm button, cause you cyah be serious. With that :bs:

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« Reply #108 on: May 06, 2011, 04:45:23 PM »
geez, is only 12 now and dey vestal :o

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« Reply #109 on: May 06, 2011, 06:16:19 PM »
Al-Awlaki targeted by U.S. military drone in YemenFrom Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent
May 6, 2011 7:55 p.m. EDT
 
Officials say a U.S. airstrike targeting Anwar al-Awlaki appears to have killed two al Qaeda operatives.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: The missile strike didn't appear to have killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. official says
The U.S. military drone fired in an area the radical cleric has frequented, adds the official
Monday's raid on bin Laden's Pakistan compound is not linked to the strike, the official says
Two al Qaeda operatives affiliated with al-Awlaki die, a U.S. defense official says
(CNN) -- A U.S. military drone fired a missile within the last 48 hours in Yemen aimed at the U.S.-born radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, but the strike did not appear to have killed him, a U.S. official told CNN on Friday.

The missile was fired at an area in southern Yemen that al-Awlaki is known to have frequented, the official said.

The official said the targeting information was not the result of information gathered from the seizure Monday of materials from Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.

A U.S. defense official confirmed that the drone was under the control of the American military -- not the CIA.

The defense official said the strike appears to have killed two al Qaeda operatives affiliated with al-Awlaki.

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« Reply #110 on: May 06, 2011, 06:38:58 PM »
US turning up the heat.
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« Reply #111 on: May 06, 2011, 07:04:26 PM »
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« Reply #112 on: May 06, 2011, 07:21:46 PM »
US turning up the heat.

If the "host" nations either complicit or impotent to do anything about the threats in their midsts then yeah, kinda hard to argue against America protecting its interests from far.  Sovereignty shouldn't just be flagrantly violated at will... but at the same time this is war, unconventional as it is, and you have these criminals in your country waging war from afar.

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« Reply #113 on: May 07, 2011, 05:51:10 PM »
Candid videos show rare view of unkempt bin Laden
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In this undated image taken from video provided by the U.S. Department of Defense, a man who the American government says...More
From a shabby, makeshift office, he ran a global terrorist empire. The world's most wanted man watched newscasts of himself from a tiny television perched atop a rickety old desk cluttered with wires.

For years, the world only saw Osama bin Laden in the rare propaganda videos that trickled out, the ones portraying him as a charismatic religious figure unfazed by being the target of worldwide manhunt.

On Saturday, the U.S. released a handful of videos, selected to show bin Laden in a much more candid, unflattering light. In the short clips, bin Laden appears hunched and tired, seated on the floor, watching television wrapped in a wool blanket and wearing a knit cap. Outtakes of his propaganda tapes show that they were heavily scripted affairs. He dyed and trimmed his beard for the cameras, then shot and reshot his remarks until the timing and lighting were just right.

The videos were among the evidence seized by Navy SEALs after a pre-dawn raid Monday that killed bin Laden in his walled Pakistani compound. The movies, along with computer disks, thumb drives and handwritten notes, reveal that bin Laden was still actively involved in planning and directing al-Qaida's plots against the U.S., according to a senior U.S. intelligence official who briefed reporters Saturday and insisted his name not be used.

 
"The material found in the compound only further confirms how important it was to go after Bin Laden," said CIA director Leon Panetta in a statement Saturday. "Since 9/11, this is what the American people have expected of us. In this critical operation, we delivered."

The notes and computer material showed that bin Laden's compound was a command-and-control center for al-Qaida, where the terrorist mastermind stayed in contact with al-Qaida affiliates around the world through a network of couriers, the intelligence official said. Bin Laden was eager to strike American cities again and discussed ways to attack trains, officials said, though it appeared that plan never progressed beyond early discussions.

Officials said the clips shown to reporters were just part of the largest collection of senior terrorist materials ever collected. The evidence seized during the raid also includes phone numbers and documents that officials hope will help break the back of the organization behind the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The videos showing "out-takes" - the miscues by bin-Laden that were destined for the cutting-room floor - were offered as further proof of bin Laden's death. President Barack Obama decided this week not to release photos of bin Laden's body, which were deemed too gruesome to reveal. The U.S. has said it confirmed bin Laden's death using DNA.

But by selecting unflattering clips of bin Laden, the U.S. is also working to shatter the image he worked so hard to craft.

"It showed that bin Laden was not the superhero he wanted his people to think," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee.

One video clearly shows the terror leader choosing and changing channels with a remote control, which he points at what appears to be a satellite cable box. U.S. officials have previously said there was a satellite dish for television reception but no Internet or phone lines ran to the house. Cellphones were prohibited on the compound.

It's unclear how many tapes were pulled out of the house, and U.S. officials say they're scouring the intelligence so quickly it has not even been catalogued and counted yet. But there may be a trove of recordings. According to the book "Growing Up bin Laden," by his first wife and fourth son, the terrorist leader nearly always kept a tape recorder nearby to take down his thoughts, plans and musings about politics and the world.

Among the material handed out was an al-Qaida propaganda video, apparently intended for public release, entitled "Message to the American People," likely filmed sometime last fall, the official said. Bin Laden has not released a video since 2007, and officials were sure why this one had not been released.

The official said the short taped message denigrated capitalism and included anti-American messages similar to his previous tapes, but he refused to say if it included a direct threat against the United States. The government released the video without sound because it did not want to disseminate a terrorist message.

Al-Qaida has confirmed the death of its founder, but did not announce a successor. Intelligence officials have taken that as an indication that the attack dealt a heavy blow dealt to the organization. The most likely successor, al-Qaida deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, is not as charismatic as bin Laden and is not as popular in the group. Officials have said he is unlikely to galvanize followers as bin Laden had.

A task force headed by the CIA is working through the material, combing it round the clock to find clues to plots that might already be under way. The U.S. launched airstrikes in Pakistan and Yemen this week, but the U.S. official would not confirm whether the bin Laden intelligence has already led to attacks.

Arabic speakers from around the intelligence committee have been tapped to help review the intelligence. The team includes intelligence specialists from throughout the national security community, including code-breakers at the National Security Agency, satellite specialists from National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and the FBI.



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« Reply #114 on: May 07, 2011, 07:19:10 PM »
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« Reply #115 on: May 10, 2011, 05:34:03 PM »
this goes some ways to explaining how a convoy of US choppers could fly into pakistan, land a few hundred yards from an institution de media calling de "west point of pakistan", shoot up de place for 40 mins and fly out. must say, dis steal a bit of de prez's dramatic thunder as he wasn't so much de master as de puppet of a script written 9 years ago. orator, basketballer and now thespian. what next - DWTS?


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Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan


US forces were given permission to conduct unilateral raid inside Pakistan if they knew where Bin Laden was hiding, officials say

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

The deal puts a new complexion on the political storm triggered by Bin Laden's death in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad, where a team of US navy Seals assaulted his safe house in the early hours of 2 May.

Pakistani officials have insisted they knew nothing of the raid, with military and civilian leaders issuing a strong rebuke to the US. If the US conducts another such assault, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani warned parliament on Monday, "Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force."

Days earlier, Musharraf, now running an opposition party from exile in London, emerged as one of the most vocal critics of the raid, terming it a "violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan".

But under the terms of the secret deal, while Pakistanis may not have been informed of the assault, they had agreed to it in principle.

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound, the official added: "As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement."

The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

The agreement is consistent with Pakistan's unspoken policy towards CIA drone strikes in the tribal belt, which was revealed by the WikiLeaks US embassy cables last November. In August 2008, Gilani reportedly told a US official: "I don't care if they do it, as long as they get the right people. We'll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it."

As drone strikes have escalated in the tribal belt over the past year, senior civilian and military officials issued pro forma denunciations even as it became clear the Pakistani military was co-operating with the covert programme.

The former US official said that impetus for the co-operation, much like the Bin Laden deal, was driven by the US. "It didn't come from Musharraf's desire. On the Predators, we made it very clear to them that if they weren't going to prosecute these targets, we were, and there was nothing they could do to stop us taking unilateral action.

"We told them, over and again: 'We'll stop the Predators if you take these targets out yourselves.'"

Despite several attempts to contact his London office, the Guardian has been unable to obtain comment from Musharraf.

Since Bin Laden's death, Pakistan has come under intense US scrutiny, including accusations that elements within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence helped hide the al-Qaida leader.

On Sunday, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden must have had "some sort of support network" inside Pakistan.

"We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, outside of government, and that's something we have to investigate," Obama said.

Gilani has stood firmly by the ISI, describing it as a "national asset", and said claims that Pakistan was "in cahoots" with al-Qaida were "disingenuous".

"Allegations of complicity or incompetence are absurd," he said. "We didn't invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan."

Gilani said the army had launched an investigation into how Bin Laden managed to hide inside Pakistan. Senior generals will give a briefing on the furore to parliament next Friday.

Gilani paid lip-service to the alliance with America and welcomed a forthcoming visit from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, but pointedly paid tribute to help from China, whom he described as "a source of inspiration for the people of Pakistan".

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« Reply #116 on: May 10, 2011, 06:49:34 PM »
steups. the FACT is they did NOT know of the raid....Pakistani West Point...lol

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« Reply #117 on: May 13, 2011, 02:13:58 PM »
Porn found in Osama bin Laden's compound

Among the materials US Navy SEALs recovered from Osama bin Laden's compound was pornography, according to a source familiar with the materials seized.

The material was sexually explicit, the source said.

The source would not discuss exactly where it was found, what it was, or if it is believed to be the al Qaeda leader's or belonging to someone else living in the compound, like the two couriers or bin Laden’s son.

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« Reply #119 on: May 13, 2011, 02:27:16 PM »

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