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Obama to close Gitmo.
« on: January 12, 2009, 09:31:49 PM »
WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama is preparing to issue an executive order his first week in office — and perhaps his first day — to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, according to two presidential transition team advisers.

It's unlikely the detention facility at the Navy base in Cuba will be closed anytime soon. In an interview last weekend, Obama said it would be "a challenge" to close it even within the first 100 days of his administration.

But the order, which one adviser said could be issued as early as Jan. 20, would start the process of deciding what to do with the estimated 250 al-Qaida and Taliban suspects and potential witnesses who are being held there. Most have not been charged with a crime.

The Guantanamo directive would be one of a series of executive orders Obama is planning to issue shortly after he takes office next Tuesday, according to the two advisers. Also expected is an executive order about certain interrogation methods, but details were not immediately available Monday.

The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the orders that have not yet been finalized.

Obama transition team spokeswoman Brooke Anderson declined comment Monday.

The two advisers said the executive order will direct the new administration to look at each of the cases of the Guantanamo detainees to see whether they can be released or if they should still be held — and if so, where.

Many of the Guantanamo detainees are cleared for release, and others could be sent back to their native countries and held there. But many nations have resisted Bush administration efforts to repatriate the prisoners back home. Both Obama advisers said it's hoped that nations that had initially resisted taking detainees will be more willing to do so after dealing with the new administration.

What remains the thorniest issue for Obama, the advisers said, is what to do with the rest of the prisoners — including at least 15 so-called "high value detainees" considered among the most dangerous there.

Detainees held on U.S. soil would have certain legal rights that they were not entitled to while imprisoned in Cuba. It's also not clear if they would face trial through the current military tribunal system, or in federal civilian courts, or though a to-be-developed legal system that would mark a hybrid of the two.

Where to imprison the detainees also is a problem.

Obama promised during the presidential campaign to shut Guantanamo, endearing him to constitutional law experts, civil libertarians and other critics who called the Bush administration detentions a violation of international law.

But he acknowledged in an interview Sunday that the process of closing the prison would be harder and longer than initially thought.

"That's a challenge," Obama said on ABC's "This Week." "I think it's going to take some time and our legal teams are working in consultation with our national security apparatus as we speak to help design exactly what we need to do.

"But I don't want to be ambiguous about this," he said. "We are going to close Guantanamo and we are going to make sure that the procedures we set up are ones that abide by our constitution."

President George W. Bush established military tribunals to prosecute detainees at Guantanamo. He also supports closing the prison, but strongly opposes bringing prisoners to the United States.

Lawmakers have moved to block transfer of the detainees to at least two potential and frequently discussed military facilities: an Army prison at Fr. Leavenworth, Kan., and a Navy brig in Charleston, S.C. A Marine Corps prison at Camp Pendleton in Southern California also is under consideration, a Pentagon official said.

Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said Monday that "it's hard to show why terror suspects should be housed in Kansas."

"If the holding facility at Guantanamo Bay is closed, a new facility should be built, designed specifically to handle detainees," Brownback said in a statement.

A Pentagon team also has been looking at how to shut Guantanamo and move its detainees but spokesman Bryan Whitman did not immediately know Monday whether it was completed.

The executive order marks only a first step at what is likely to be a long legal process. Still, American Civil Liberties Union legislative director Caroline Fredrickson called "extremely meaningful" even if the Guantanamo prison can't be closed immediately.

"It's clear that there is a process of time that will be necessary to close it properly, to make sure that human rights and respected and security is protected," Fredrickson said. "But the fact that it's set in motion is extremely good news."

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Re: Obama to close Gitmo.
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 05:21:09 AM »
In that interview he also discussed what actions can or should be taken against Bush and he gang for war crimes.  He acknowledged that no one is above the law but went on to say that the country needed to look forward and not back....

Look Obama doh let me and you fall out before yuh even swear een....if dem fellas break the law they need to be prosecuted.  Ah know it eh easy, but if yuh want the rest of the world to start back looking up to America...yuh know what do, so doh start dat look forward not back nonsense....
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Re: Obama to close Gitmo.
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2009, 09:16:17 AM »
In that interview he also discussed what actions can or should be taken against Bush and he gang for war crimes.  He acknowledged that no one is above the law but went on to say that the country needed to look forward and not back....

Look Obama doh let me and you fall out before yuh even swear een....if dem fellas break the law they need to be prosecuted.  Ah know it eh easy, but if yuh want the rest of the world to start back looking up to America...yuh know what do, so doh start dat look forward not back nonsense....

A fractious Democratic congressional delegation and a bitter Republican caucus provide the prospect of thwarting aspects of his legislative agenda. He's not going to be the one making the pronouncement you're looking for. It could come, but its voice will have to come from the same Congress that possesses the power to frustrate his agenda. No point in squandering goodwill now. Plus, he's in a statesman's mode presently and not trying to immerse himself in the muck of politics. Moreover, it would be better to have Congress turn on itself in pursuing Bush rather than have some sort of mutiny versus the WH.

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Re: Obama to close Gitmo.
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2009, 10:21:04 AM »
In that interview he also discussed what actions can or should be taken against Bush and he gang for war crimes.  He acknowledged that no one is above the law but went on to say that the country needed to look forward and not back....

Look Obama doh let me and you fall out before yuh even swear een....if dem fellas break the law they need to be prosecuted.  Ah know it eh easy, but if yuh want the rest of the world to start back looking up to America...yuh know what do, so doh start dat look forward not back nonsense....

A fractious Democratic congressional delegation and a bitter Republican caucus provide the prospect of thwarting aspects of his legislative agenda. He's not going to be the one making the pronouncement you're looking for. It could come, but its voice will have to come from the same Congress that possesses the power to frustrate his agenda. No point in squandering goodwill now. Plus, he's in a statesman's mode presently and not trying to immerse himself in the muck of politics. Moreover, it would be better to have Congress turn on itself in pursuing Bush rather than have some sort of mutiny versus the WH.

I heard some pundits discussing the issue about 1 month ago and the consensus was that even though he personally does not start the process, some arm of his administration should.  But I (yeah, yeah ah know, dem Americans doh care one thing but what I want  ;D) and people in the US and around the world want to see some sort of attempt at justice for the things committed by Bush and his croonies in the name of protecting the US against terror.  If it is not done then America cyar talk to nobody bout human rights, freedom, justice, democracy etc. etc....
"...If yuh clothes tear up
Or yuh shoes burst off,
You could still jump up when music play.
Old lady, young baby, everybody could dingolay...
Dingolay, ay, ay, ay ay,
Dingolay ay, ay, ay..."

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Re: Obama to close Gitmo.
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2009, 10:51:50 PM »
In that interview he also discussed what actions can or should be taken against Bush and he gang for war crimes.  He acknowledged that no one is above the law but went on to say that the country needed to look forward and not back....

Look Obama doh let me and you fall out before yuh even swear een....if dem fellas break the law they need to be prosecuted.  Ah know it eh easy, but if yuh want the rest of the world to start back looking up to America...yuh know what do, so doh start dat look forward not back nonsense....

A fractious Democratic congressional delegation and a bitter Republican caucus provide the prospect of thwarting aspects of his legislative agenda. He's not going to be the one making the pronouncement you're looking for. It could come, but its voice will have to come from the same Congress that possesses the power to frustrate his agenda. No point in squandering goodwill now. Plus, he's in a statesman's mode presently and not trying to immerse himself in the muck of politics. Moreover, it would be better to have Congress turn on itself in pursuing Bush rather than have some sort of mutiny versus the WH.

I heard some pundits discussing the issue about 1 month ago and the consensus was that even though he personally does not start the process, some arm of his administration should.  But I (yeah, yeah ah know, dem Americans doh care one thing but what I want  ;D) and people in the US and around the world want to see some sort of attempt at justice for the things committed by Bush and his croonies in the name of protecting the US against terror.  If it is not done then America cyar talk to nobody bout human rights, freedom, justice, democracy etc. etc....


It would be up to the Justice Department or Congress (via a Special Prosecutor) to start proceedings from what I know.  Technically Obama could instruct the AG (Head of DOJ) to initiate the proceedings, but the AG can also do so independently of an Executive Order.

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Re: Obama to close Gitmo.
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 03:05:07 AM »
In that interview he also discussed what actions can or should be taken against Bush and he gang for war crimes.  He acknowledged that no one is above the law but went on to say that the country needed to look forward and not back....

Look Obama doh let me and you fall out before yuh even swear een....if dem fellas break the law they need to be prosecuted.  Ah know it eh easy, but if yuh want the rest of the world to start back looking up to America...yuh know what do, so doh start dat look forward not back nonsense....
Brown sugar  , it have ah lot of innocent men and women locked up in Gmo for just being in the wrong place @ the wrong time, which means afghanistan.

ppl getting tortured and ill treated for just knowing ah badjohn, for instance yuh neighbor is ah dealer and yuh know him from small and allyuh used to play together, but since he tun dealer yuh keeping yuh distance, then one day the police come fuh him and decide they taking you too, lock yuh up and never charge yuh but keep yuh in custody and not even as much as offer yuh the opportunity to consult with an attorney! would you still feel the same.

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they does bring all the controversial informative political issues and topics that cooperate sponsored stations sweep under the rug or are not even privy too.

there are a lot of programs dealing with this issue in particular,this station gets a lot professional experienced folks enlightening the public on ah host of issues from health to civil rights violations.

president obama is ah former activist on civil and human rights violations and i don't think he would sit down idly by while innocent ppl are in our system as prisoners of war.

according to the civil liberties union, the former regime committed ah host of constitutional violations in their quest for justice, and i think as a former jurist it would be impossible for him (obama) to turn ah blind eye on constitutional infringements, i believe that would reflect negatively on him and show him up as ingenuine since his early political career was based on helping the oppressed the down trodden and the underprivileged in the inner city.
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