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Title: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 03, 2008, 04:43:13 PM
Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation on Thursday announced Colombian Francisco Maturana as the new interim head coach of its National Senior Team for a six-month period in the first instance.
The 58-year-old arrived in Trinidad on Tuesday following an invitation for discussions by the TTFF and met with its special advisor Jack Warner and subsequently agreed to take up the position which he will begin officially February 1.
Maturana, a former Colombia and Ecuador National Team coach at the World Cup level, will witness the February 6 friendly international against Guadeloupe as his first official assignment. But Anton Corneal assistant coach of the Senior Team will oversee the preparations for that game and it will serve as a bridging period between the two coaches.
The TTFF also announced the eight overseas-based players invited for the friendly international. They include Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones, Swansea City striker Jason Scotland, Wrexham midfielder Silvio Spann, Walsall goalkeeper Clayton Ince, Ujpest FC midfielder Densill Theobald, MLS-based Collin Samuel, Sparta Rotterdam forward Darryl Roberts, Southampton striker Stern John and Sunderland midfielder Carlos Edwards who has indicated that he expects to return from injury in time for the affair.
Warner added that on request, a list of available international coaches was submitted by the FIFA Technical Commitee and of the twelve names, Maturana was agreed upon, particularly after special recommendation from FIFA Technical Study Group member Alvin Corneal. Corneal (Anton) will oversee training over the next few weeks with selected home-based players.
The Federation also announced Yugoslavian and past Senior Team coach Zoran Vranes as coach of the T&T Under 20 team and head of its youth development for a four-year period. And David Mohammed was formally introduced as the new manager of the T&T Senior Team with Earl John appointed as CEO of the LOC 2010.
Speaking briefly via a translator at the Queen’s Park Oval Banquet Hall, Maturana said he took up the challenge because he wanted to be part of T&T’s dream.
“It was an offer I couldn’t turn down. I decided to come and be part of the dream of Trinidad and Tobago, Mr Warner and the Federation. It is a challenge but I am looking forward to it and I believe we can get everything together and I will do my best to achieve that while I am here,” Maturana said.

More on Maturana (As provided in media conference press kit courtesy wikipedia and Maturana).

As a Player[/b]

Born in Quibdó, Chocó, Francisco Maturana moved with his family at an early age to the city of Medellín. Here he played professional soccer while attending the University of Antioquia where he later obtained a degree in Dentistry. He began his professional career in 1970 at Atlético Nacional where he became a starting defender until 1980. During his time in Atlético Nacional he won two Colombian League Championships in 1973 and 1976. In 1981 he transferred to Atlético Bucaramanga and also played 6 matches with the Colombian National Team during the qulifying matches for the 1982 World Cup. In 1982 he played his last year with Deportes Tolima until he retired at the end of the season.

As a Manager

By motivation from Uruguyans Aníbal Ruíz and Luis Cubilla, he started managing Colombian team Once Caldas in 1986. The following year the Colombia Soccer Federation hired him to manage the national team's youth squad and then was quickly promoted to manage the Senior Squad to compete in the 1987 Copa America where they reached third place by beating the host Argentina. During this time, he was also hired to manage his former team Atlético Nacional. Then in 1989 he had his most successful year in his career. He led Atlético Nacional,composed of many Colombian legends, to win the Copa Libertadores for the first time for any Colombian club. Using Atlético Nacional players as a base for the National Team, he qualified the team to the 1990 World Cup after 28 years of absence. In December, he lost the Intercontinental Cup to AC Milan at the last minute of overtime. An upset to what would have been the perfect season. The following year he lead Colombia to its best perfermance in World Cup competition by reaching the second round and losing to Cameroon.
After the World Cup, he was hired as coach of Spain's Real Valladolid. In 1993 he was voted as the South American coach of the year by El Pais and he was ranked third in Spanish Newspaper Marca's list of the worlds greatest managers.
He returned to Colombia in 1992. and got his team América de Cali champion of Colombia. In 1993 he got Colombia qualified for a second time in a row to a World Cup, with a historic triumph over Argentina in Buenos Aires by 5-0. That score made Colombia a surprising favorite for the 1994 World Cup, but the performance there was disappointing, as the team was eliminated in the first round, being defeated by such teams as the United States and Romania.
He had later a brief stint as coach of Atlético Madrid and in 1995 he was hired as the trainer of Ecuador National Football Team. After failing to get Ecuador qualified for the 1998 FIFA World Cup, he returned to Colombia to coach Millonarios.
In 1999 he briefly coached Costa Rica, and in 2000 he also coached for a few months Peru. He would later return to coach Colombia for the 2001 Copa América, winning it for the first time. His latest jobs as a coach would include Saudi Arabian side Al-Hilal, where he won the domestic league and the Asian Champions League and a new stint for Colombia and Argentina's Colón de Santa Fe.
Francisco Maturana is considered to be one of the greatest South American coaches of all time and a legend of the Colombian game.
He worked for FIFA as a technical adviser where he has hold various coaching seminars around the world with the likes of Fabio Capello and Cesar Menotti.
In April of 2007 Maturana accepted an offer from Argentine Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata. He directed his first game on April 22, 2007, the derby against Estudiantes de La Plata. In August of 2007 Maturana ended his relationship with Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata.

Honors

As a Player[/b]

Copa Mustang (2): 1973, 1976 with Atlético Nacional

As a Manager

Copa Libertadores (1): 1989 with Atlético Nacional
Copa Mustang (1): 1992 with America de Cali
Copa America (1): 2001 with Colombia
Saudi Premier League (1): 2002 with Al-Hilal
World Cup Qualification (2): 1990, 1994 World Cup with Colombia
Bridge work for T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Colombian W/Cup coach leads Warriors

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, by the admission of its president Oliver Camps, is recovering from a disastrous 2007-on and off the field.
Former Colombia and Ecuador World Cup coach Francisco Maturana, once a dental professor at the University of Antioquia, was yesterday unveiled as the man to rebuild bridges between the national football administration and the public as the T&TFF announced its plan to earn a 2010 World Cup berth.
Maturana takes up duty as national football team interim coach on February 1 although Anton Corneal, who was assistant to former coaches Leo Beenhakker and Wim Rijsbergen and also serves as understudy to Maturana, will oversee preparation for the "Soca Warriors" before the friendly battle against Guadeloupe on February 6.
England Premier League striker, 2006 World Cup player and new Sunderland sensation Kenwyne Jones leads a list of nine foreign-based players who were invited home for the fixture. The others include six World Cup players-record goalscorer Stern John (Southampton/England), versatile midfielder Densill Theobald (Upjest/Hungary), pacey winger Collin Samuel (Toronto/MLS), veteran goalkeeper Clayton Ince (Walsall/England), in-form striker Jason Scotland (Swansea/England) and tricky winger Carlos Edwards (Sunderland/England).
Utility player and free kick specialist Silvio Spann (Wrexham/England) and left-sided striker Darryl Roberts (Sparta Rotterdam/Holland) complete the list of invited players.
Maturana addressed the press conference, which was held at the Queen's Park Oval, in Spanish with former CONCACAF youth development officer Keith Look Loy serving as translator. Whatever Maturana's command of English, his abilities as a coach are beyond dispute.
The 58-year-old Maturana was named South America's Coach of the Year in 1993 while the Spanish newspaper Marca once hailed the Colombian as the third best coach in the world.
He is remembered most fondly for his work with the Colombian national team which he took to the 1990 and 1994 World Cups, after a 28-year absence, with the inimitable styles of shaggy haired playmaker Carlos Valderrama, sweeper goalkeeper Rene Higuita and maverick striker Faustino Asprilla in tow.
FIFA vice-president and T&TFF special advisor Jack Warner reiterated that Maturana was just holding on, in the first instance, until the T&TFF reaches an agreement with present coach Wim Rijsbergen who is serving a six-month suspension for indiscipline. But Warner left no doubt that the Dutchman-who came to blows with at least two former football heroes and T&TFF employees David Nakhid and Lincoln Phillips during his three-year stint here-was not expected back on local soil.
"He has to decide whether he can work with the T&TFF and its staff," said Warner. "My personal feeling is that Mr Rijsbergen will not be back here. He has not contacted us once since his departure."
The T&TFF used yesterday's press conference to offer conciliatory noises towards its players and Camps spoke of "soul searching" within the T&TFF executive committee "for the betterment of football".
"Football will be much better in 2008 than it was in 2007," said the long-serving T&TFF president and former national team manager.
Warner promised that local football fans would soon have reason to be excited again with a slate of friendly matches "that would blow your mind". It is the centennial year of the T&TFF and, although only friendlies with Guadeloupe and Jamaica were announced thus far, the FIFA bigwig suggested that negotiations were underway with more high profiled football nations.
There were more administrative appointments too as David Mohammed inherited the national team manager portfolio from Sam Phillips while CONCACAF employee Earl John is now CEO of the Local Organising Committee (LOC) and Felix Hernandez was named Chief Operating Officer of the Centennial Committee.
But Maturana's selection, even on an interim basis, should create the biggest stir and eclipses even the return of Brazilian Rene Simoes to the helm of the Jamaican team.
Maturana, in his capacity as FIFA technical committee member, studied the Warriors at the 2006 World Cup and rattled off statistics of their recent performances at the Caribbean Cup and Gold Cup tournaments. He has already requested video footage of recent games from the T&TFF.
He described himself as a "worker and achiever" but declined the opportunity to crow about the expertise he brings to local football.
"I am very humble," said Maturana, via a translator. "It is better to discover (my attributes) than for me to show you on a piece of paper. I am very open and, as I work day by day, people will get a chance to see for themselves." The T&TFF and the Warriors are bracing for a fresh start from the Colombian dentist.
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job /Vranes Under 20 coach
Post by: Storeboy on January 03, 2008, 06:24:20 PM
We can't pay one overseas coach, now we have two.  I hope these guys know what they aare doing.  I think that the coaches have great credentials and should do well.  My  concern as always is with the local football body (TTFF) and whehter they have their act together.

Go Soca Warriors!!!
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job /Vranes Under 20 coach
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 03, 2008, 06:25:41 PM
We can't pay one overseas coach, now we have two.  I hope these guys know what they aare doing.  I think that the coaches have great credentials and should do well.  My  concern as always is with the local football body (TTFF) and whehter they have their act together.

Go Soca Warriors!!!

Vranes overseas  :rotfl: :rotfl: since he come here he never went back
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job /Vranes Under 20 coach
Post by: MEP on January 03, 2008, 06:46:11 PM
So where is Wim????
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job /Vranes Under 20 coach
Post by: injunchile on January 03, 2008, 06:48:59 PM
Has anyone noticed that it is a set of Forwards and midfield players. No Foreign defencemen. Are we satisfied that we are ok with the locals.
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job.
Post by: weary1969 on January 03, 2008, 07:01:24 PM
So he in charge Ash Wed or Anton. Who payin he Jack or my tax dollars
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job.
Post by: MEP on January 03, 2008, 07:12:47 PM
Given the time line it seems as if candidates were lined up long before Wim was "suspended". Makes me wonder what exactly is the true nature of the disagreement.
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job.
Post by: palos on January 03, 2008, 07:24:29 PM
Dat is a big big coach doh.

Hmmmmm
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job.
Post by: Sam on January 03, 2008, 07:25:05 PM
Not bad news, considering this Maturana have more creditals than Anton.

Can Francisco Maturana speak English ? wonder how he will coach T&T, we might have to hire a translator too.

Anybody know de good and bad on this coach.. ?

I see Kevaughn Connell didn't get de call.....

Wim preparing a law suit, but he will lose because from what I heard de man got out of order many times and the last straw was with Lincoln Phillips with blows pass breifly. Still love the brand of football we was playing under Beenhakker and Wim, we looked more organised than ever before.

Zoran in charge of we youths, well yes..... 1 step forward, 2 backwards. Well on de bright side of things it could have been senseless McComie.....

Ah feel we might need Marvin Andrews, Brent Sancho and Dennis Lawrence to help we defence as them local defenders not ready.... pass on some experience a little.... Kelvin Jack should also get call up...
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job.
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 03, 2008, 07:35:07 PM
Wim preparing a law suit, but he will lose because from what I heard de man got out of order many times and the last straw was with Lincoln Phillips with blows pass breifly. Still love the brand of football we was playing under Beenhakker and Wim, we looked more organised than ever before.

Why did wim have to get on may times  becuase of cancel matches etc ? Yuh think this guy would stick around if the warner and camps doing the same shit?
Title: Re: Maturana takes senior up coaching job.
Post by: pass(10trini) on January 03, 2008, 08:12:59 PM
Not bad news, considering this Maturana have more creditals than Anton.

Can Francisco Maturana speak English ? wonder how he will coach T&T, we might have to hire a translator too.

Anybody know de good and bad on this coach.. ?

I see Kevaughn Connell didn't get de call.....

Wim preparing a law suit, but he will lose because from what I heard de man got out of order many times and the last straw was with Lincoln Phillips with blows pass breifly. Still love the brand of football we was playing under Beenhakker and Wim, we looked more organised than ever before.

Zoran in charge of we youths, well yes..... 1 step forward, 2 backwards. Well on de bright side of things it could have been senseless McComie.....

Ah feel we might need Marvin Andrews, Brent Sancho and Dennis Lawrence to help we defence as them local defenders not ready.... pass on some experience a little.... Kelvin Jack should also get call up...

Seem like Wim is ah bar brawler or what ;D
How he always in fight so? He did fight with Nakhid now Lincoln, a a. ::)
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Andre on January 03, 2008, 08:20:47 PM
me eh know what to make of this.

matz is talk english?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: jimmel14 on January 03, 2008, 08:33:50 PM
well Wim days was numbers ever since Don Leo dive out, fo some reason i aint think jack did like him. The d hole conspiracy with the black listing came into order, which jus made things worst. Jack and Camps prob had a ball sippin on champain in jack crib on d beach, while thinking about how Wim was gonna screw up in d gold cup with d B squad, "No disrespect too da fellas". A fitting ending to the tale which will not be told, for Ole Oli and Jack had a trick up there sleeves to have poor wim and corneal to disagree.Then Wim was sent packing and Corneal got paid with da job of National Coach for only one day.. hahah..
Poor Anton thought he finally make it but as every other other person was screwed by jack.. oooh welll.

With respect to d new interim coach, his credentials come good, lets hope he could carry us back in time and pick up where Don Leo left off, cuz fo my part 2007 never really come weh... how many games we play? Stueps.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: palos on January 03, 2008, 08:37:41 PM
me eh know what to make of this.

matz is talk english?

Yuh tink Capello could talk English?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 03, 2008, 08:40:37 PM
Precisely
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Victor on January 03, 2008, 08:43:28 PM
Although I am partial to Wim and I would always believe in my heart that he got a raw deal, I could live with the fact that the two parties had to part ways.

What I have a hard time grappling with is they have abandoned the Dutch influence that got us to the “promise land.” I would have been happy with Maturana as senior coach and a Dutchman in charge of our youth development, not Zaron Vranes.

I am not surprised though. Jack Warner has proved once again that he is impetuous, short sighted and he has no vision for our football. I long for the day when he is no longer in charge.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 03, 2008, 09:03:27 PM
Although I am partial to Wim and I would always believe in my heart that he got a raw deal, I could live with the fact that the two parties had to part ways.

What I have a hard time grappling with is they have abandoned the Dutch influence that got us to the “promise land.” I would have been happy with Maturana as senior coach and a Dutchman in charge of our youth development, not Zaron Vranes.

I am not surprised though. Jack Warner has proved once again that he is impetuous, short sighted and he has no vision for our football. I long for the day when he is no longer in charge.


ha not you alone
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 03, 2008, 09:12:09 PM
Trinidad Guardian
BY GREGORY TRUJILLO

WORLD-RENOWNED Colombian coach Francisco Maturana has accepted the position as coach of T&T Soca Warriors left vacant by the six-month suspension of Dutchman Wim Rijsbergen.

Official confirmation of his interim appointment came at a hastily-called press conference yesterday at the Banquet Hall, Queen’s Park Oval.

Maturana will guide the fortunes of T&T football over the next six months from February 1—officially his first day on the job—when he will witness the friendly here between Guatemala and T&T.

The Colombian will be looking after measures to keep the T&T flag flying, after a year the state of the game at national level hit its lowest ebb, with the banning of the majority of top overseas professionals who competed in the 2006 World Cup in Germany because of a money dispute with the governing T&T Football Federation (TTFF).

Maturana, also known as Pacho, has had a colourful career both as a player and manager-coach.

The man who took his country to three World Cups was voted South American coach of the year by El Pais in 1993 and was ranked third in the Spanish Newspaper Marca’s list of the world’s greatest managers.

His coaching genius helped Colombia to qualify for a second time in a row in the 1994 World Cup.

Highlight of his country’s qualification was an historic 5-0 triumph over Argentina in Buenos Aires—a scoreline that made Colombia a surprising favourite for the World Cup.

Maturana got the nod for the position ahead of 12 other top foreign coaches, among those of whom were former England international John Barnes, three Germans, two Brazilians and two Dutchmen.

“We needed the best,” said Fifa vice president Jack Warner, the special adviser to the TTFF, at yesterday’s press conference.

“I found him within 24 hours,” Warner continued. “He was here on January 1. Anybody who leaves his family to discuss football on New Year’s Day has to be serious.”

Maturana himself was surprised of the appointment.

“A week ago I was invited by Mr Warner to come to T&T, “ he related. “I thought it was just to have a meeting. But as it turned out it was to coach T&T.”

Maturana said he could not turn down the offer: “Because T&T and Mr Warner are well known and respected in world football.

“After five minutes, I had bought into Warner’s dream and what he wanted. Let’s say that I was appointed to join in that dream and participate in that dream.”

Referring to his new job as “an attractive challenge and proposition,” Maturana stated that both outside and inside football he is a worker and an achiever.

Warner strongly believes that Maturana will be in charge of the national senior team leading up to the 2010 World Cup in South Africa and beyond.

“I know Rijsbergen will not be back here. Since he left, he has not contacted anybody. We needed the best available coach and I went for the best.”

Dutchman Rijsbergen, who replaced Leo Beenhakker at the end of the World Cup in 2006, was relieved of his duties as national coach following an physical altercation with Technical Director Lincoln Phillips. He received a six-month suspension for the incident by the Disciplinary Committee of the TTFF.

Rijsbergen’s assistant, countryman Van Deinsen was also relieved but on medical grounds.

Anton Corneal, who had been in charge since the suspension of Rijsbergen on December 4, will be assistant to Maturana.

The senior national team will also have a new manager. Replacing Sam Phillip will be 37-year-old David Mohammed.

Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Savannah boy on January 03, 2008, 09:26:59 PM
Pancho in town.  Look de Chalice burning...Vampire coming.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: jimmel14 on January 03, 2008, 09:37:16 PM
so alyuh realize that the TTFF running by jack.
ah find they should name it over and call it TTFFJ ( Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation of Jack (or JackArses if you please))
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Diambars on January 03, 2008, 09:37:28 PM
Great appointment ... being from Columbia he should be able to handle the crime and drugs in T&T ;D
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Big Magician on January 03, 2008, 10:00:31 PM
good luck and welcome Don Pacho......take meh stupid advice and do things your way.... and dont listen to anyone in the TTFF....you got to be very bold.....watch tapes of Don Leo.....and not of tnt....
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Big Magician on January 03, 2008, 10:09:36 PM
so Camps have nothing to say on this appointment ???
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Tongue on January 03, 2008, 10:16:21 PM
Trinidad Guardian
BY GREGORY TRUJILLO

WORLD-RENOWNED Colombian coach Francisco Maturana has accepted the position as coach of T&T Soca Warriors left vacant by the six-month suspension of Dutchman Wim Rijsbergen.

Official confirmation of his interim appointment came at a hastily-called press conference yesterday at the Banquet Hall, Queen’s Park Oval.

Maturana will guide the fortunes of T&T football over the next six months from February 1—officially his first day on the job—when he will witness the friendly here between Guatemala and T&T.

The Colombian will be looking after measures to keep the T&T flag flying, after a year the state of the game at national level hit its lowest ebb, with the banning of the majority of top overseas professionals who competed in the 2006 World Cup in Germany because of a money dispute with the governing T&T Football Federation (TTFF).

Maturana, also known as Pacho, has had a colourful career both as a player and manager-coach.

The man who took his country to three World Cups was voted South American coach of the year by El Pais in 1993 and was ranked third in the Spanish Newspaper Marca’s list of the world’s greatest managers.

His coaching genius helped Colombia to qualify for a second time in a row in the 1994 World Cup.

Highlight of his country’s qualification was an historic 5-0 triumph over Argentina in Buenos Aires—a scoreline that made Colombia a surprising favourite for the World Cup.

Maturana got the nod for the position ahead of 12 other top foreign coaches, among those of whom were former England international John Barnes, three Germans, two Brazilians and two Dutchmen.

“We needed the best,” said Fifa vice president Jack Warner, the special adviser to the TTFF, at yesterday’s press conference.

“I found him within 24 hours,” Warner continued. “He was here on January 1. Anybody who leaves his family to discuss football on New Year’s Day has to be serious.”

Maturana himself was surprised of the appointment.

“A week ago I was invited by Mr Warner to come to T&T, “ he related. “I thought it was just to have a meeting. But as it turned out it was to coach T&T.”

Maturana said he could not turn down the offer: “Because T&T and Mr Warner are well known and respected in world football.

“After five minutes, I had bought into Warner’s dream and what he wanted. Let’s say that I was appointed to join in that dream and participate in that dream.”

Referring to his new job as “an attractive challenge and proposition,” Maturana stated that both outside and inside football he is a worker and an achiever.

Warner strongly believes that Maturana will be in charge of the national senior team leading up to the 2010 World Cup in South Africa and beyond.

“I know Rijsbergen will not be back here. Since he left, he has not contacted anybody. We needed the best available coach and I went for the best.”

Dutchman Rijsbergen, who replaced Leo Beenhakker at the end of the World Cup in 2006, was relieved of his duties as national coach following an physical altercation with Technical Director Lincoln Phillips. He received a six-month suspension for the incident by the Disciplinary Committee of the TTFF.

Rijsbergen’s assistant, countryman Van Deinsen was also relieved but on medical grounds.

Anton Corneal, who had been in charge since the suspension of Rijsbergen on December 4, will be assistant to Maturana.

The senior national team will also have a new manager. Replacing Sam Phillip will be 37-year-old David Mohammed.




interesting words dey.....
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Touches on January 03, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
This is a MASTERSTROKE by Jack

4th Place finisher of the Hex plays 5th placed South America.

Who better to hire than a South American who pass thru South American qualifying umpteen times. Know each ground, the styles, the players and the tactics to eliminate S.A. opposition.

Now realistically TT has to qualify outright...but if we slip and get the 4th place, this fella have the experience to help us battle it out.

Jack yes...yuh have to admire him the HERO and Saviour of TT football yet again.

Imagine you convince a man in 5 minutes after he reach in New Years Day.

But ent I tell alyuh long time Wim and Anton was caretaker till qualifiers.

Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Bakes on January 04, 2008, 01:23:21 AM
We does like dem kinda thing.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: supporter on January 04, 2008, 03:34:57 AM
Hang on, the TTFF did not FIRE Wim! its a 6 month break. Already TTFF gone and hire a famous coach on the interim?! Nah man, Wim is getting a raw deal. Treat the man with class nuh, especially  after all the shit he put up with. steups. Its like if u separate from your wife for a little bit and immediately hook up with the neighbor next door and have no intention of going back.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: spideybuff on January 04, 2008, 06:30:45 AM
Hang on, the TTFF did not FIRE Wim! its a 6 month break. Already TTFF gone and hire a famous coach on the interim?! Nah man, Wim is getting a raw deal. Treat the man with class nuh, especially  after all the shit he put up with. steups. Its like if u separate from your wife for a little bit and immediately hook up with the neighbor next door and have no intention of going back.


But that sound like exactly how we is do it in trinidad...
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: arrow on January 04, 2008, 06:55:15 AM
He will also help us against Mexico and the Central American sides.

The person who will benefit the most from his appointment is Hardest - the Trini Valderrama
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Diambars on January 04, 2008, 07:35:17 AM
If you guys sit up for a moment and do an analysis of the proceeding you will see that Wim is gone.  Either he resign already or was sacked and this six months suspension is just a smoke screen.  Flex, Palos, Tallman, Lasana and others it is time we hear from Wim with his perspective on this.  Do all your work nah, this should be the most sort after interview???
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: jaden on January 04, 2008, 07:45:47 AM
how birchall ent get call, is he injured?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 07:58:54 AM
This is a MASTERSTROKE by Jack

4th Place finisher of the Hex plays 5th placed South America.

Who better to hire than a South American who pass thru South American qualifying umpteen times. Know each ground, the styles, the players and the tactics to eliminate S.A. opposition.

Now realistically TT has to qualify outright...but if we slip and get the 4th place, this fella have the experience to help us battle it out.

Jack yes...yuh have to admire him the HERO and Saviour of TT football yet again.

Imagine you convince a man in 5 minutes after he reach in New Years Day.

But ent I tell alyuh long time Wim and Anton was caretaker till qualifiers.



yuh hit the nail on the head breddah... maturana is a boss coach, i knew he was good b4 but when i read the man resume, it is extremely impressive, i rather see our team playing south american free flowing creative ball than european ball in all honesty, i think this was a stroke of genius by warner...

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Jayerson on January 04, 2008, 08:38:15 AM
how birchall ent get call, is he injured?

I was wondering the same thing! This may be the first squad that Birchall will not be included in since he joined the team.

Who picked this team anyway? Can't be the new coach so it must be Anton Corneal I suppose.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: SHOTTA on January 04, 2008, 08:40:39 AM
yea boss birchall injured with a hamstriing i think .

congrats to the colombian and if allyuh check he first real game cuz he observin the one ash wednesday

IS AGAINST JAMROCK
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: real madness on January 04, 2008, 08:43:08 AM
This is a MASTERSTROKE by Jack

4th Place finisher of the Hex plays 5th placed South America.

Who better to hire than a South American who pass thru South American qualifying umpteen times. Know each ground, the styles, the players and the tactics to eliminate S.A. opposition.

Now realistically TT has to qualify outright...but if we slip and get the 4th place, this fella have the experience to help us battle it out.

Jack yes...yuh have to admire him the HERO and Saviour of TT football yet again.

Imagine you convince a man in 5 minutes after he reach in New Years Day.

But ent I tell alyuh long time Wim and Anton was caretaker till qualifiers.



yuh hit the nail on the head breddah... maturana is a boss coach, i knew he was good b4 but when i read the man resume, it is extremely impressive, i rather see our team playing south american free flowing creative ball than european ball in all honesty, i think this was a stroke of genius by warner...

God is de BOSS....

make up yuh mind..in the other thread you say u knew vaguely about Maturana until u read his resume..in this thread u say he is ah boss coach, u knew he was good b4..which one?.... ;D
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Post by: Jayerson on January 04, 2008, 09:00:07 AM
yea boss birchall injured with a hamstriing i think .

congrats to the colombian and if allyuh check he first real game cuz he observin the one ash wednesday

IS AGAINST JAMROCK


Who are we playing on Ash Wednesday? I'm reading Guadeloupe, I swore I saw Guatemala in one of the articles, from Guardian I think and I'm seeing Jamaica.
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Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 09:00:33 AM
This is a MASTERSTROKE by Jack

4th Place finisher of the Hex plays 5th placed South America.

Who better to hire than a South American who pass thru South American qualifying umpteen times. Know each ground, the styles, the players and the tactics to eliminate S.A. opposition.

Now realistically TT has to qualify outright...but if we slip and get the 4th place, this fella have the experience to help us battle it out.

Jack yes...yuh have to admire him the HERO and Saviour of TT football yet again.

Imagine you convince a man in 5 minutes after he reach in New Years Day.

But ent I tell alyuh long time Wim and Anton was caretaker till qualifiers.



yuh hit the nail on the head breddah... maturana is a boss coach, i knew he was good b4 but when i read the man resume, it is extremely impressive, i rather see our team playing south american free flowing creative ball than european ball in all honesty, i think this was a stroke of genius by warner...

God is de BOSS....

make up yuh mind..in the other thread you say u knew vaguely about Maturana until u read his resume..in this thread u say he is ah boss coach, u knew he was good b4..which one?.... ;D

 ;D what i knew vaguely about him was good info, didnt see all the teams he coached and his resume in detail, i knew he took columbia to the WC, but after seeing his resume in detail i am really am impressed, i read a few articles on him last night and what i read, he is a boss coach.... his record speaks for itself... :beermug:

God is de BOSS....
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Post by: Sando on January 04, 2008, 09:41:23 AM
From what I red on Bigsoccer, Maturana is considered persona non grata by the football fans in Costa Rica as he did a terrible job when he coached them. He also did a terrible job in his last stint with Colombia.
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Post by: Storeboy on January 04, 2008, 10:04:06 AM
This is a MASTERSTROKE by Jack

4th Place finisher of the Hex plays 5th placed South America.

Who better to hire than a South American who pass thru South American qualifying umpteen times. Know each ground, the styles, the players and the tactics to eliminate S.A. opposition.

Now realistically TT has to qualify outright...but if we slip and get the 4th place, this fella have the experience to help us battle it out.

Jack yes...yuh have to admire him the HERO and Saviour of TT football yet again.

Imagine you convince a man in 5 minutes after he reach in New Years Day.

But ent I tell alyuh long time Wim and Anton was caretaker till qualifiers.



That is a very good point.  I did not think about it.  I hope it doesn't even come to that though.  Go Soca Warriors!!
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Post by: Mr Mc on January 04, 2008, 10:26:03 AM
From what I red on Bigsoccer, Maturana is considered persona non grata by the football fans in Costa Rica as he did a terrible job when he coached them. He also did a terrible job in his last stint with Colombia.

I always wonder why a BIG coach is available...
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Post by: sub1 on January 04, 2008, 10:30:16 AM
MATURANA IS A BAD CHOICE. HE IS WAY PAST HIS SELL DATE. WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED DUTCH.
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Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
From what I red on Bigsoccer, Maturana is considered persona non grata by the football fans in Costa Rica as he did a terrible job when he coached them. He also did a terrible job in his last stint with Colombia.

but at least the man coach 2 world cup teams... and also in spain and has won the copa and dominated major teams like argentina, with coaching there must be periods when a coach doesnt do well, lets wait and see how he reacts to coaching trinidad... my first choice was german and sh but south american isnt that bad... esepcailly if he is regarded as one of the best, since he coached costa rica, it will give us a lil advantage, bc we always gettin wash by costa rica in qualifiers, a draw here and there but thats it..

God is de BOSS....
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Post by: maxg on January 04, 2008, 10:58:40 AM
yea boss birchall injured with a hamstriing i think .
congrats to the colombian and if allyuh check he first real game cuz he observin the one ash wednesday

IS AGAINST JAMROCK


yet Spann(hardly playin at all?) & Edwards(Rolls Royce-in the garage) get called ! ah wonder how fast ah Out-of-Season Samuel will compare to ah relatively slow, non defensive In-season Samuel ? hmmmnnn...not an argument for Birchall yetthe defensive calls in mind must be on like corn - also in their off-season....includes Avery...an Cyd gone Puna...like we hitting the ground runningcrawling outta ah WC(latrine)....at least it's interesting     
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Post by: Pointman on January 04, 2008, 11:00:27 AM
All de best Pacho  :beermug:

GO TNT!!
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Post by: #4 on January 04, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
More on Maturana (As provided in media conference press kit courtesy wikipedia and Maturana).

As a Player[/b]

Born in Quibdó, Chocó, Francisco Maturana moved with his family at an early age to the city of Medellín. Here he played professional soccer while attending the University of Antioquia where he later obtained a degree in Dentistry.

excellent choice. he'll have the warriors brushing and flossing like champions. ;D

seriously tho, i can't wait to see what's in store for 2008. he shouldnt have any problem with making the warriors look better than they did in 2007, if that is saying much.
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Post by: Dinner Mints on January 04, 2008, 11:11:49 AM
yea boss birchall injured with a hamstriing i think .
congrats to the colombian and if allyuh check he first real game cuz he observin the one ash wednesday

IS AGAINST JAMROCK


yet Spann(hardly playin at all?) & Edwards(Rolls Royce-in the garage) get called ! ah wonder how fast ah Out-of-Season Samuel will compare to ah relatively slow, non defensive In-season Samuel ? hmmmnnn...not an argument for Birchall yetthe defensive calls in mind must be on like corn - also in their off-season....includes Avery...an Cyd gone Puna...like we hitting the ground runningcrawling outta ah WC(latrine)....at least it's interesting     
Me eh know how Spann get call. He injured more and play less than Birchall. He injured all now after coming back for a half of football.
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Post by: weary1969 on January 04, 2008, 11:15:00 AM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all
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Post by: WestCoast on January 04, 2008, 11:15:58 AM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all
;)
so true
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Post by: FF on January 04, 2008, 11:28:39 AM
MATURANA IS A BAD CHOICE. HE IS WAY PAST HIS SELL DATE. WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED DUTCH.

Plenty people say that bout Beenhakker...

But these is the ppl we can attract... quality coaches who looking for a last hurrah or looking to revive they career ala Beenie.. or shitty journeymen like Vranes or Jochem Figge... or young or local coaches looking to make a name.. Wim... Corneal... Najjar etc

Check Beenie is the toast of Europe all now... before us he was fading into obscurity!! Maturana want to taste glory again!! So at least he may have the drive...  :-\
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Post by: palos on January 04, 2008, 12:08:08 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.
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Post by: palos on January 04, 2008, 12:11:44 PM
From what I red on Bigsoccer, Maturana is considered persona non grata by the football fans in Costa Rica as he did a terrible job when he coached them. He also did a terrible job in his last stint with Colombia.

Once u unhappy wit he, ah KNOW Jack mek de right pick... ;D
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Post by: Midknight on January 04, 2008, 12:15:44 PM
I was predicting a 4th place in the hex with us losing the play off to Colombia before the whole Wim "suspension" came up.
Maybe some good can come of this, but I still ent holding my breath yet.

Interesting list of foreign based for the Ash Wednesday game. No defenders, a Samuel who wouldn't have played since October, Edwards coming off a long layoff (knock on wood), the oft injured Spann...
Seeing the number of forwards called up (Stern, KJ, Scotland) I could only assume Roberts would be used as a mf...and of course our famous captain.

How much alyou want to bet one of them Brazilians waiting in the wings was Lazaroni?

...

On a lighter note, ah feel Klinsmann was one of the Germans  ::)
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Post by: triniairman on January 04, 2008, 12:20:33 PM
yea boss birchall injured with a hamstriing i think .

congrats to the colombian and if allyuh check he first real game cuz he observin the one ash wednesday

IS AGAINST JAMROCK

If that is the case then why did Edward get called. He's injured as well and in the healing process just like Birchall.
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Post by: supporter on January 04, 2008, 12:21:39 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?
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Post by: FireBrand on January 04, 2008, 12:43:06 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?

Corneal Senior always use to say there are better local midfielders dan Birchall so we should give de locals a chance ahead of him.
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Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 12:48:07 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?

Corneal Senior always use to say there are better local midfielders dan Birchall so we should give de locals a chance ahead of him.

hes right about that but birchall is a good asset 2 have also...

God is de BOSS...
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Post by: palos on January 04, 2008, 12:50:44 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?

He say Birchall cyah pass, he slow, he control not good, and it have plenty better local players dan him.  In other words...he say Birchall is not an international footballer.  
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Post by: Jayerson on January 04, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?

He has said on at least two occasions that comes to my memory that he doesn't rate Birchall and that there are many local players that are much better than Birchall and that he could never make his starting 11. He cited poor first touch and giving away the ball easliy as his reasons. The same Birchall that played 90 mins in all the WC games. The same Birchall that is one of the very very few Warriors that isn't afraid to shoot.
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Post by: MATADOR on January 04, 2008, 12:57:43 PM
It is a fact that we are all entitled to our opinions..what gets me is a man who is arguably the most qualified in the subject, voices his professional opinion...then men here get all pissed off at the man and throw in their own opinions.. gesh, take what the man saying with a grain ah salt if you don't agree ..as I take what you say with a pound of salt especially the one called coach on here...what a waste.
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Post by: Jayerson on January 04, 2008, 01:26:25 PM
I now read on a website where Ian Dowie said that Chris Birchall is available for their F.A Cup Third Round game against Blackburn. So unlike Edwards, he's back to fitness, therefore that means that he's currently out of the mix not due to injury.
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Post by: maxg on January 04, 2008, 02:17:52 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?

He say Birchall cyah pass, he slow, he control not good, and it have plenty better local players dan him.  In other words...he say Birchall is not an international footballer.  

i too find Birchall touch did (can't still say if that is the case) sometimes let him down, but nobody on we team ever put down wuk and run to rass like that, wheter because he bad pass or somebody else, not once standup and complain and point...our locals may have the skill, but they doh have the discipline or gumption...this is what he added...besides the fact he have a proven killer shot...Alvin could say wha he want in his professional capacity, buh in critizing that guy by saying he added nothing, he was quite unprofessional and WRONG....Mr nobody blindman me saw dat....buh say what, Alvin only showing he human, and biggin up we locals, not a totally bad thing...say wha
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Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
in my opinion we have some youths that will get call with maturana as coach... fellahs like guerra and britto, not to mention hardest and oliver...
all yuh stay dey and feel our team wont play well, birchall is a loss but we have other players who are more than willing to fill that void...and will fill that void...

God is de BOSS....
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Post by: Trini _2026 on January 04, 2008, 02:37:46 PM
in my opinion we have some youths that will get call with maturana as coach... fellahs like guerra and britto, not to mention hardest and oliver...
all yuh stay dey and feel our team wont play well, birchall is a loss but we have other players who are more than willing to fill that void...and will fill that void...

God is de BOSS....

he calling up ah 15 year old now ::)
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Post by: Filho on January 04, 2008, 02:38:09 PM
in my opinion we have some youths that will get call with maturana as coach... fellahs like guerra and britto, not to mention hardest and oliver...
all yuh stay dey and feel our team wont play well, birchall is a loss but we have other players who are more than willing to fill that void...and will fill that void...

God is de BOSS....

where Hardest playing now?
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Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 02:47:48 PM
in my opinion we have some youths that will get call with maturana as coach... fellahs like guerra and britto, not to mention hardest and oliver...
all yuh stay dey and feel our team wont play well, birchall is a loss but we have other players who are more than willing to fill that void...and will fill that void...

God is de BOSS....

he calling up ah 15 year old now ::)

why not a 15 year old? ??? hes already 4 years ahead of his time in ability and skill, in 2 years he will be able to play with 21 year olds and maybe older, it will be beneficial for him to be on the team to get exposed to that level of football, i never said to start him breddah... we have to start early grooming our youths who are gifted...

God is de BOSS....
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Post by: D.H.W on January 04, 2008, 03:04:15 PM
we better qualify for 2010 now i wonder what friendlies jack have up he sleeve boy
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Post by: TrinInfinite on January 04, 2008, 03:07:47 PM
in my opinion we have some youths that will get call with maturana as coach... fellahs like guerra and britto, not to mention hardest and oliver...
all yuh stay dey and feel our team wont play well, birchall is a loss but we have other players who are more than willing to fill that void...and will fill that void...

God is de BOSS....

where Hardest playing now?

was training in the states for a while, went to sweden  on trials and he picked up a slight injury.... back home till after guadalope, then hes back in on trials....

God is de BOSS....
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Post by: Midknight on January 04, 2008, 03:17:48 PM
He say Birchall cyah pass, he slow, he control not good, and it have plenty better local players dan him.  In other words...he say Birchall is not an international footballer. 

i too find Birchall touch did (can't still say if that is the case) sometimes let him down, but nobody on we team ever put down wuk and run to rass like that, wheter because he bad pass or somebody else, not once standup and complain and point...our locals may have the skill, but they doh have the discipline or gumption...this is what he added...besides the fact he have a proven killer shot...Alvin could say wha he want in his professional capacity, buh in critizing that guy by saying he added nothing, he was quite unprofessional and WRONG....Mr nobody blindman me saw dat....buh say what, Alvin only showing he human, and biggin up we locals, not a totally bad thing...say wha

Other than his shot and his work rate, I personally believe that Birchall (maybe not at his debut but as of his pre injury self) was one of the most consistent crossers of a moving ball that put on a tnt shirt in the last 3 years and still available to do so.

Throwing this boy by the wayside would be a huge disservice to him, to trini football and to our own image.
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Post by: grskywalker on January 04, 2008, 03:19:51 PM
All yuh expect Me mum to get pick when Corneal had a say. All yuh doh follow football ah what? D real Corneal Alvin eh rate d man at all

I tell people once Anton get appoint that dat was it fuh Birchie T&T career.

Why doesnt he rate Birchall then?

He has said on at least two occasions that comes to my memory that he doesn't rate Birchall and that there are many local players that are much better than Birchall and that he could never make his starting 11. He cited poor first touch and giving away the ball easliy as his reasons. The same Birchall that played 90 mins in all the WC games. The same Birchall that is one of the very very few Warriors that isn't afraid to shoot.


The same Birchall that have more 100 times more experience than Anton Corneal. Anton should be cleaning he shoes, we ain't have a player that does leggo bullit on target like me mum, except maybe Carlos on a good day
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Post by: palos on January 04, 2008, 04:13:12 PM
The fact that no overseas defenders have not been called up could very well work in T&T's favour in the long run.

Depending on Maturana's philosophy & his relationship with clubs in the PFL, normally coaches in today's game start building their teams from the back come forward.  It eh make no sense havin 5 good strikers when yuh defence porous.

Having a total local defensive corp could be advantageous providing that a core set of players are identified, they train and play together regularly, and have time to gel as a unit. 

The key will be Maturana's defensive prowess (or that of his assistant(s)), an absence of club versus country controversy and of course, finding the right players to fit the system he wants to play.

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Post by: Bianconeri on January 04, 2008, 04:42:47 PM
some big names gettin call back for this game
real glad to see that
especially Ince. As a goalkeeper myself, i think he is still one of the best in the Caribbean and should be on a better team right now
man agent stickin! Age go be a stumbling block but at least a lil Championship side

now hopefully these fellas come back and TTFF eh do shit again !

TT side lookin very promising, but we need better teams!!
play Jamaica more, Venezuela, Chile, hit up Canada and even side like Wales and Ireland at least!
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Post by: jimmel14 on January 04, 2008, 06:04:23 PM
birchall has a killer shot, brings out da british ina him wid them long range shots. remember d spectacualr strike against bharain. lawd ah was in d stadium that day... mad sick head nah good.as fo d defence. we need more consistency and discipline in d back dey. and man who could run like Evra does down d flanks.. ( ah say Cyd wid some more exposure could be that) but dais when he come back from India.
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Post by: Deeks on January 04, 2008, 06:10:43 PM
I think Birchall should get a call back. Yes, he is not a great player but he is tenacious and a good crosser of the ball. It is still early. He may yet get a recall. Hope the old guys big up for him. Once he is injury free she should get at least a try out.
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Post by: Jah Gol on January 04, 2008, 06:13:39 PM
Picture Denzil Theobald with Birchall's work ethic.
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Post by: palos on January 04, 2008, 06:25:11 PM
Picture Denzil Theobald with Birchall's work ethic.

Ah seein Chubby Andrews... :'(
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Post by: Ngozi on January 04, 2008, 06:38:27 PM
A friend of mines bring up the point that the key might be how well Maturanna can speak english because as allyuh know we boys at times is not the brightest so how the instructions are interpreted to them might be of paramount importance...but point to note of you could get Columbia to qualify amongst Argentina , Brazil etc you have to have something....I'm looking forward to what he can do.........I know he cant be worse than Wim thats for sure.
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Post by: arrow on January 04, 2008, 07:56:44 PM
in my opinion we have some youths that will get call with maturana as coach... fellahs like guerra and britto, not to mention hardest and oliver...

doh forget Evans Wise.

I feel Keane will "suggest" to Edwards that he not come back for this one so soon after injury.  Then it will be up to Jack and the TTFF to decide if they want to force the issue.
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Post by: WestCoast on January 04, 2008, 09:00:07 PM
A friend of mines bring up the point that the key might be how well Maturanna can speak english because as allyuh know we boys at times is not the brightest so how the instructions are interpreted to them might be of paramount importance...but point to note of you could get Columbia to qualify amongst Argentina , Brazil etc you have to have something....I'm looking forward to what he can do.........I know he cant be worse than Wim thats for sure.
hear nuh
we ALL have to realise that Jackula is THE PROBLEM and has been THE PROBLEM for nearly 30 YEARS and when he changes the way he treats players and the Football Fraternity in Trinidad and Tobago we will do VERY WELL, and I would suggest that most any Footballer would do well with our National Team as SOON as Jackula changes his ways in a very RADICAL way......until then I sure even PELE could not help us.......
Jackula, YOU have to CHANGE.....just IMAGINE if you treated ALL players in TnT well, what they could accomplish.
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Post by: SUPA on January 04, 2008, 09:24:55 PM
Dat is a big big coach doh.

Hmmmmm

Thanks dey palos, cuz ah was now going and ask if he was ah big coach. De good thing about having ah Colombian coach, hopefully he will have us playing dat short passing game and entertaining soccer. De Jack haters, when all yuh go give uncle Jack some credit and realise dat de man really want his country, tuh be in de  top 3 in CONCACAF and be respected world wide. Dis man probably took money and proably still squeezing ah change here and there, but ah does always take meh hat off tuh JW, fuh looking out fuh T&T.

Just de other day, men were arguing about if Corneal should ah get dat Interim job. Well before we cud say Jack Robinson, uncle Jack bring ah top class coach in de house, what all yuh go say now? Whether de coach will have success, yes or no, dat is ah different question by itself, JW did his part. But knowing all yuh haters here, all yuh go still find ah way tuh criticise de man. Leave de man alone and enjoy and appreciate what he does forT&T, de man above call him home. We don't know what we have, until we loose it.  HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Post by: madness1969 on January 04, 2008, 09:53:25 PM
allyuh we getting an attacking team i think its very good. our goal keeper Ince. is doing well in league one. the local defensive will get better as time goes by. far as birchall, i hope his injured but he hasn't played good football with converty lately.
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Post by: Midknight on January 05, 2008, 11:08:17 AM
I feel Keane will "suggest" to Edwards that he not come back for this one so soon after injury.  Then it will be up to Jack and the TTFF to decide if they want to force the issue.

Is the 6th an official FIFA match day or not? I notice Sunderland away to Liverpool on the 2nd and then they host Wigan on the 9th. However, the next EPL game after that is on the 23rd, which would suggest that the international matchweek is from the 13th to the 20th

Why are we playing a match with a NON fifa team on a NON fifa matchday? If all you feel keane letting go Jones and Edwards, his two most important players three days before one of the make or break games of the season without a fight crapaud smoke alyuh pipe.
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Post by: WestCoast on January 05, 2008, 11:15:47 AM
Why are we playing a match with a NON fifa team on a NON fifa matchday?
If all you feel keane letting go Jones and Edwards, his two most important players three days before one of the make or break games of the season without a fight crapaud smoke alyuh pipe.
firstly, dais de Special Advisor, FIFA VP, way man ;D
I doubt that Keane would allow it....if clubs smart, things like that in the player contract....non?
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Post by: Patterson on January 05, 2008, 11:22:37 AM
I feel Keane will "suggest" to Edwards that he not come back for this one so soon after injury.  Then it will be up to Jack and the TTFF to decide if they want to force the issue.

Is the 6th an official FIFA match day or not? I notice Sunderland away to Liverpool on the 2nd and then they host Wigan on the 9th. However, the next EPL game after that is on the 23rd, which would suggest that the international matchweek is from the 13th to the 20th

Why are we playing a match with a NON fifa team on a NON fifa matchday? If all you feel keane letting go Jones and Edwards, his two most important players three days before one of the make or break games of the season without a fight crapaud smoke alyuh pipe.

According to the fifa international match calendar, the 6th is as an official fifa match day
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/calendarlive/intl_mc_fifa_2006_2008_en_7920.pdf

Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: WestCoast on January 05, 2008, 11:23:59 AM
Other than his shot and his work rate, I personally believe that Birchall (maybe not at his debut but as of his pre injury self) was one of the most consistent crossers of a moving ball that put on a tnt shirt in the last 3 years and still available to do so.

Throwing this boy by the wayside would be a huge disservice to him, to trini football and to our own image.
ah man up above rating Hardest above Birchall......... ::)............dais how we is I guess......
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: AB.Trini on January 05, 2008, 11:30:44 AM
 How soon we forget the contributions of Birchall to get us through......... He may not the the BEST but he brings a work ethic... and a football experience that could  add depth to the midfield.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Midknight on January 05, 2008, 11:41:48 AM
I feel Keane will "suggest" to Edwards that he not come back for this one so soon after injury.  Then it will be up to Jack and the TTFF to decide if they want to force the issue.

Is the 6th an official FIFA match day or not? I notice Sunderland away to Liverpool on the 2nd and then they host Wigan on the 9th. However, the next EPL game after that is on the 23rd, which would suggest that the international matchweek is from the 13th to the 20th

Why are we playing a match with a NON fifa team on a NON fifa matchday? If all you feel keane letting go Jones and Edwards, his two most important players three days before one of the make or break games of the season without a fight crapaud smoke alyuh pipe.

According to the fifa international match calendar, the 6th is as an official fifa match day
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/calendarlive/intl_mc_fifa_2006_2008_en_7920.pdf

Thanks. that just confirms the research I just did. It is a match day, but it only has friendly status, and as such clubs don't have to release players more than 48h before the match.

The EPL real screw up on their calendar - I suspect that that 'rest week' might be the FA cup 4th round schedule - but it a week too late in any case. Whatever it is, its not conducive to releasing international players to go and play across the Atlantic - every single one of we English based players called up have a match the Saturday before and the Saturday after.

Now try to imagine that Australia have a world cup qualifier that day...in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: AB.Trini on January 05, 2008, 12:44:23 PM
Wait nah... What input  do you think the  latest coach would have on player selection and preparation for the alleged  Ash Wednesday friendly against Guadeloupe?

What if Anton Corneal as reported selected this team , trained this squad and received immeasurable success against Guadeloupe, would it change his status?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: arrow on January 05, 2008, 01:19:28 PM
What if Anton Corneal as reported selected this team , trained this squad and received immeasurable success against Guadeloupe, would it change his status?

His new status would be interim coach who just beat a sh&t squad
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Star Child on January 05, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: saga pinto on January 05, 2008, 06:49:25 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

Well since you know he's a bad pick,please educate me and the rest of us as to why that is so,I always appreciate the power of knowledge...........
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 05, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Midknight on January 05, 2008, 09:01:27 PM
Wait nah... What input  do you think the  latest coach would have on player selection and preparation for the alleged  Ash Wednesday friendly against Guadeloupe?

What if Anton Corneal as reported selected this team , trained this squad and received immeasurable success against Guadeloupe, would it change his status?

Think of Whitmore. How much props did he get for beating two Central American opponents 5-0 on aggregate?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Quags on January 06, 2008, 12:35:28 AM
After all the hard work ,Jackular do to get Memum ,to play for we ,then bringing down he mums and them .He letting that punk Alvin Corneal dust him to the side  :rotfl: ,Jack getting soft in he ole age ohwha lol .The only man willing to take a shot at goal haha ,what ah joke ,ah find jack letting some subordinates get ahway with murder deiz days jed .
Also Julius James ,this guys is one of the best in Collage ball ,yet not even an invite ha! ,another Corneal judgement call .

As for Muturana ,he just start the wuk ,so anybody he get ,he just smiling .He better grow some balls in a hurry and start demanding who he want .
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: JayTheWrecker on January 06, 2008, 02:33:15 AM
Chris Birchall has been out of action for weeks and has only just recovered from injury

he is clearly a long way off from being fully match fit

so i fully understand and agree with the decision not to include him at this time
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Touches on January 06, 2008, 08:02:38 AM
Dropping Me Mum is a disservice.

This is why Football is a TEAM SPORT.

His weakness (Poor First Touch) will be covered by his team mates while his assets....bullet, tackling ability, fitness, hustle and crossing ability will cover the defence ass and his other midfield teammates.

If you watch Me Mum live and see how much ground he covers and how he sprints back...many times off the ball, you will appreciate the man even more.

He does even show more heart and fight than some others on the field.


Go Me Mum
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Midknight on January 06, 2008, 08:16:37 AM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....

I wouldn't go as far as to say he is a bad pick. However, all I've been hearing from Colombian and Costa Rican fans is negative. The Colombians seem to consider that he had the most talented side in Colombian football history in 94, and that qualifying was a matter of course - 5-0 thrashing of Argentina in Buenos Aires aside - but that he messed up when it came to the actual tournament, notably in his player selection.
Then his last turn at the helm was pretty short lived as was the case in Costa Rica, where in both cases he was dismissed for caastrophic results.
The only thing that seems to bode well to hear them talk is that he actually is not that far off from being a "Beenie ball" specialist. (whether this is true or not is left to be seen) With a bit of luck he might be able to install the same discipline in the new crop of defenders that Beenie did in the old.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: arrow on January 06, 2008, 08:20:55 AM
Chris Birchall has been out of action for weeks and has only just recovered from injury

he is clearly a long way off from being fully match fit

so i fully understand and agree with the decision not to include him at this time

I agree with you, but I have to wonder why Edwards was called when he hasn't even returned from his injury yet.  Seems as though there is a double standard there.
I still don't expect Edwards to make the trip though - don't think we want to piss off Keane this early in the campaign.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: jimmel14 on January 06, 2008, 08:39:12 AM
as we start to stray to the topic of squad selection, i must vent my opinion and say ( what bout if we get Yorke and Latas back fo a few spells wid d squad, to help instill some sort of ummm backbone too da squad) cuz it gon look real bad too see sides like Vinci cutn we arse. Yes we know that them fellas retire but it would be nice fo them to have some sort of input into the squad. Experience is always a good asset. The 2 Greatest ballers to ever roam T&T shores. and how alyuh feel keane go feel when he have to let go, Edwards, Jones and Nosworthy for them games... lawd now self he gonna kick brass
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2008, 08:50:59 AM
I have a question at what age  did Latas  and Yorke  de got there chance at 16 and 14 look an KJ he’s going to be playing for our team for years to come we have to give de youths a chance we need guys who’s going to be around for the next 10 years we cannot and should not be relying on 40 year old players     
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 06, 2008, 09:06:14 AM
Chris Birchall has been out of action for weeks and has only just recovered from injury

he is clearly a long way off from being fully match fit

so i fully understand and agree with the decision not to include him at this time

I agree with you, but I have to wonder why Edwards was called when he hasn't even returned from his injury yet.  Seems as though there is a double standard there.
I still don't expect Edwards to make the trip though - don't think we want to piss off Keane this early in the campaign.
Add Spann to that last. Injured most of the season. Struggling to make the team the rest of the time. Just like Birchall, except in an much much WORSE team.

He get call, though.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: WestCoast on January 06, 2008, 09:58:27 AM
Chris Birchall has been out of action for weeks and has only just recovered from injury
he is clearly a long way off from being fully match fit
so i fully understand and agree with the decision not to include him at this time
I agree with you, but I have to wonder why Edwards was called when he hasn't even returned from his injury yet.  Seems as though there is a double standard there.
I still don't expect Edwards to make the trip though - don't think we want to piss off Keane this early in the campaign.
Add Spann to that last. Injured most of the season. Struggling to make the team the rest of the time. Just like Birchall, except in an much much WORSE team.
He get call, though.
Maybe Corneal seein BM post an dem bout Jamrock an day britz, an he say, " nah, TnT doh need no stinkin Britz" ;)
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Israel on January 06, 2008, 10:23:29 AM
How come no MLS players get called? No Telesford or Avery John, I know the MLS wont be in season but so is the PFL
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: real madness on January 06, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
How come no MLS players get called? No Telesford or Avery John, I know the MLS wont be in season but so is the PFL

very good question...i have another question..althought the blacklist is over..allyuh really feel it is 100% over? 
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 06, 2008, 11:46:16 AM
How come no MLS players get called? No Telesford or Avery John, I know the MLS wont be in season but so is the PFL
Or Sealy, who seemed to be on a hot streak.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Filho on January 06, 2008, 11:53:01 AM
How come no MLS players get called? No Telesford or Avery John, I know the MLS wont be in season but so is the PFL
Or Sealy, who seemed to be on a hot streak.

Samuel get called and he plays MLS

Telesford injured and hasn't played in a while

With Stern, KJ, Daryll Roberts and Jason Scotland called as the four forwards..all of whom are match fit and in good form..it hard to make a case for Sealy.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 06, 2008, 12:07:43 PM
How come no MLS players get called? No Telesford or Avery John, I know the MLS wont be in season but so is the PFL
Or Sealy, who seemed to be on a hot streak.

Samuel get called and he plays MLS

Telesford injured and hasn't played in a while

With Stern, KJ, Daryll Roberts and Jason Scotland called as the four forwards..all of whom are match fit and in good form..it hard to make a case for Sealy.
That's true. I guess I keep looking at Roberts as a midfielder even though we never use him as such.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 06, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....

I wouldn't go as far as to say he is a bad pick. However, all I've been hearing from Colombian and Costa Rican fans is negative. The Colombians seem to consider that he had the most talented side in Colombian football history in 94, and that qualifying was a matter of course - 5-0 thrashing of Argentina in Buenos Aires aside - but that he messed up when it came to the actual tournament, notably in his player selection.
Then his last turn at the helm was pretty short lived as was the case in Costa Rica, where in both cases he was dismissed for caastrophic results.
The only thing that seems to bode well to hear them talk is that he actually is not that far off from being a "Beenie ball" specialist. (whether this is true or not is left to be seen) With a bit of luck he might be able to install the same discipline in the new crop of defenders that Beenie did in the old.

Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

I was waiting for his confirmation in the post to get into the web that is Maturana ... I cyah geh into it full blast now, but I'll say this ... He will tell you he gets more respect outside of Colombia than he does within the country. Ah putting this in abstract terms, buh he's been on the record about this. He doesn't say this tongue in cheek, but the 'tension' is somewhat misplaced because he remains respected and revered within the local fraternity of coaches and by those who have a sense of perspective. Anyhow, the man is a senior figure who goes about his business nonchalantly. He does not get bogged down in the mud.

I don't argue he's not due for some positive outcomes. However, I believe if we provide him with the necessary space and professional environment and attitide he'll be able to produce with the execution of the players. This is a guy who is good at creating/painting a message, a philosophy, a image of what he wants.

The mention of 'man-management' by Lincoln Phillips and others is a quality that has been shown time and time again in his career and will certainly be interesting to watch. No matter what though, we're looking at a very concentrated period for him to get acquainted and acclimatised and we have to balance the future with that in mind.

I think 'we' provide a great platform for him and there's no way his knowledge can be discarded. Generally I have found his defenders more sensible and knowledgeable than his detractors.

Really the term 'defenders' is not accurate because he's not viewed as a polarising figure.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Midknight on January 06, 2008, 04:31:21 PM
Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

Actually, it would seem that HE was the one that didn't want Valderrama on the team, though I'm not sure whether this refers to his first or second stint...

I'm assuming it was his first and he didn't get his way...
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: weary1969 on January 06, 2008, 05:25:42 PM
If being injured was a criteria 4 non selection den Carlos and Silvio would not b there so pleezeeeeeeeeeeeee find another reason y Me Mum eh selected
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 06, 2008, 05:47:42 PM
Oh and Kenwyne injured at the moment too.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: maxg on January 06, 2008, 06:19:15 PM
personal opinion: all last WC players should decline, due to injury and rehab...otherwise nuthen change, and we and them would have gone through the last year for nothing...read: same tata, different day.....especially since part of the last coach problems arose for taking a stance in their , his, proper rep for the country - favour...so they come for this friendly, everything come cool, and then in the middle of the next program, they dunn, again, cause then the realize that, they had accomplished nuthen,when the same beats come on again ? and we hold we head an bawl once more....and just ah joke eh pardner -  AB hit we up with ah few more repost, askin dem questions only God could answer  ::)   :D
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 06, 2008, 10:08:37 PM
Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

Actually, it would seem that HE was the one that didn't want Valderrama on the team, though I'm not sure whether this refers to his first or second stint...

I'm assuming it was his first and he didn't get his way...
Likely the same Colombian fans that wanted him to drop Pibe Valderrama.

Actually, it would seem that HE was the one that didn't want Valderrama on the team, though I'm not sure whether this refers to his first or second stint...

I'm assuming it was his first and he didn't get his way...

There was a perception (justified) that Pibe was a slow player ... too slow to play and control the middle. Maturana resisted the wave of opposition and developed both a rapport and a system supportive of Valderrama/incorporative of Pibe's play. He asked Pibe to work/train ... to do certain things ... to do his part and in retrospect he has indicated that it resulted in Valderrama attaining acclaim for over a decade at the heart of Colombia's midfield by preserving his place in the national team at a time when it could have affected his career trajectory ... He made this point in referring to another player (young player ... name I can't recall) who he had a similar conversation with .... I have no evidence to support the view he ever rejected Valderrama.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Cocorite on January 06, 2008, 11:03:36 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161260091

Phillips Wants Full Use Made of New Coach
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Cocorite on January 06, 2008, 11:07:08 PM
Sorry didn't realize that this is old news.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Socapro on January 07, 2008, 02:25:39 PM
Great appointment ... being from Columbia he should be able to handle the crime and drugs in T&T ;D

I was thinking d same thing! :mackdaddy:

Btw Happy New Year to everyone!!
Title: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: E-man on March 13, 2008, 10:20:09 PM
Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
By: Ian Prescott (Express).


Trinidad and Tobago interim head coach, Colombian Francisco Maturana, has been getting outside assistance in preparing the national team for upcoming FIFA World Cup qualifiers, which begin in July when T&T take on the winners of a first-round CONCACAF tie between Cayman Islands and Bermuda.

Trainers Jorge Ruiz and Caesar Maturana have been in Trinidad helping with the preparation of the players and were both involved yesterday when the local component of the senior national team resumed training in preparation for Wednesday's friendly international against El Salvador at the Marvin Lee Stadium, Macoya.

At yesterday's session at the "Marvin Lee", assistant coach Anton Corneal gave some background information on Caesar Maturana, brother of Francisco.

"He (Caesar) used to be the coach of Panama," Corneal said. "Actually, Panama's improvement in the game started when he was there. Both of them (Ruiz and Caesar Maturana) have actually been here four weeks now."

Yesterday, both Corneal and Francisco Maturana took active roles in a scrimmage at the Macoya venue, with Maturana showing that he can still play football by giving at least one of his young players a "shake".

Corneal said it was important that some of the young players step up against El Salvador, since it will determine whether they make the squad for the March 26 friendly against Jamaica's Reggae Boys in Kingston. Several of Trinidad and Tobago's foreign-based pros have been recalled for that match.

"We are actually using eight to nine different players from the ones that played Guadeloupe recently. So, it's a different team that is playing them and we don't know what they are coming with. The last time we played El Salvador, they played with a couple of young players and we actually had a good result (0-0) against them. It was a good game. We don't know what they will come with this time. We don't know if it's a full senior team that will have a lot of young players in between. But, it is also a chance to see our young players."

Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at University of South Florida in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20, Under-23 and also with the senior team in the past.

Stopper Makan Hislop, another US-based player, makes a return after playing in the 2007 Digicel Caribbean Cup Finals under suspended T&T head coach, Dutchman Wim Rijsbergen.

Also present were Akeem Adams, from the national under-17 team which participated in the 2007 FIFA Under-17 World Cup, and El Dorado Senior Comprehensive striker Jamaal Gay, who is now on the national under-20 team.

T&T 2006 World Cup midfielder Aurtis Whitley was also at "Marvin Lee" yesterday.

"One of the things we did was just trying to get the fellas into quick, match shape...intense and short. Of course, there are a couple of new players and from what we have seen so far they are workable material," Corneal said, while also explaining why both he and Maturana decided to take a run yesterday.

"Coaches are different in their approach. For instance, the English coaches play a lot, especially when they have to make up numbers, for instance, when you have a drill and you want to use one more player. It happens all over the world at every level.

"Asked if he enjoyed his run with the youngsters, Corneal quipped: "Of course, because I play."

(http://www.trinidadexpress.com/shared/images/2008/03/14/s6.jpg)
OLD MOVES: Colombian Francisco Maturana, centre, Trinidad and Tobago's interim head coach, shows the members of the national team how its done during a training session yesterday at the Marvin Lee Stadium, Macoya. T&T will play El Salvador next Wednesday at the same venue. - Photo: IAN PRESCOTT
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 14, 2008, 05:26:13 AM
Quote
Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at South Florida College in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20 and Under-23 teams and now has the chance to vie for senior selection.

Mr. Prescott, yuh couldn't fact check? What is South Florida College? Allyuh doh play allyuh could mangle names of institutions. It calls into question whether other elements of your work are accurate. Oh gorm man ... The University of South Florida is wha yuh looking for.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Tallman on March 14, 2008, 05:51:24 AM
Quote
Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at South Florida College in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20 and Under-23 teams and now has the chance to vie for senior selection.

Mr. Prescott, yuh couldn't fact check? What is South Florida College? Allyuh doh play allyuh could mangle names of institutions. It calls into question whether other elements of your work are accurate. Oh gorm man ... The University of South Florida is wha yuh looking for.
Not only that, but Neaves has already played for the senior team. He came on as a substitute against Iceland.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Storeboy on March 14, 2008, 08:31:17 AM
Quote
Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at South Florida College in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20 and Under-23 teams and now has the chance to vie for senior selection.

Mr. Prescott, yuh couldn't fact check? What is South Florida College? Allyuh doh play allyuh could mangle names of institutions. It calls into question whether other elements of your work are accurate. Oh gorm man ... The University of South Florida is wha yuh looking for.
Not only that, but Neaves has already played for the senior team. He came on as a substitute against Iceland.

I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this article.  I live in Orlando and when people here read these writers, they probably think little of our newspapers and journalism.  That is one of the reasons people internationally often give us little credit and respect.  We sound sometimes like "bush people" and it is embarassing for us patriotic Trinis who always want to talk about our country.  This is just one example of the many, many times I see this kind of misinformation.  I am aware that we are human and make errors.  We all make typos and get something wrong sometimes.  However, it is the consistency of misinformation, not mistakes, that bothers me.  Just yesterday someone wrote about Justin Fojo from Charleston College.  The name of the college is College of Charleston.  That is a major difference, not to be taken lightly.  Come on people, let's get it right.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Big Magician on March 14, 2008, 08:40:34 AM
yea...i went to a tnt session and see Maturana brother....looks very much like Pacho....
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Tenorsaw on March 14, 2008, 08:56:12 AM
Quote
Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at South Florida College in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20 and Under-23 teams and now has the chance to vie for senior selection.

Mr. Prescott, yuh couldn't fact check? What is South Florida College? Allyuh doh play allyuh could mangle names of institutions. It calls into question whether other elements of your work are accurate. Oh gorm man ... The University of South Florida is wha yuh looking for.

Typical lazy Trini journalism.  They hate to do research and does just guess.  The editors turn a blind eye to fact verification, so this will continue until they get some serious editors in charge of those print houses.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: warmonga on March 14, 2008, 09:11:08 AM
I kind of like this coach a lill bit.. I like how he trying to use our young Players .. To be honest If we keep this coach I see decent things to come TNT way..
War...
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Deeks on March 14, 2008, 06:17:19 PM
Warmonga,
                  Don't keep you hopes to high on that one. The special advisor will find someway to sabotage his own creation.
          But seriously speaking, Pacho is a good coach. All he need is time and the resources to play competitive opponents. We should be playing some South American teams. Play some teams in Europe. Also play some African teams. They can arrange to play them in Europe.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 14, 2008, 07:01:50 PM
Warmonga,
                  Don't keep you hopes to high on that one. The special advisor will find someway to sabotage his own creation.
          But seriously speaking, Pacho is a good coach. All he need is time and the resources to play competitive opponents. We should be playing some South American teams. Play some teams in Europe. Also play some African teams. They can arrange to play them in Europe.

they should have taken them local players to tour Columbia
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: Deeks on March 14, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
Trini_2010,
                      I totally agree. Plenty latin ball and high altitude will certainly help.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 15, 2008, 05:04:25 AM
There is time enough to play in Colombia. The better move is to go there with your settled core of players rather than a rag tag bunch of prospectives.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 15, 2008, 05:10:09 AM
Quote
Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at South Florida College in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20 and Under-23 teams and now has the chance to vie for senior selection.

Mr. Prescott, yuh couldn't fact check? What is South Florida College? Allyuh doh play allyuh could mangle names of institutions. It calls into question whether other elements of your work are accurate. Oh gorm man ... The University of South Florida is wha yuh looking for.
Not only that, but Neaves has already played for the senior team. He came on as a substitute against Iceland.

I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this article. I live in Orlando and when people here read these writers, they probably think little of our newspapers and journalism. That is one of the reasons people internationally often give us little credit and respect. We sound sometimes like "bush people" and it is embarassing for us patriotic Trinis who always want to talk about our country. This is just one example of the many, many times I see this kind of misinformation. I am aware that we are human and make errors. We all make typos and get something wrong sometimes. However, it is the consistency of misinformation, not mistakes, that bothers me. Just yesterday someone wrote about Justin Fojo from Charleston College. The name of the college is College of Charleston. That is a major difference, not to be taken lightly. Come on people, let's get it right.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: andre samuel on March 15, 2008, 06:32:48 AM
Quote
Among those given the chance to impress Maturana yesterday were Kevon Neaves, the left-footed former St Anthony's college winger who is at South Florida College in the United States. Neaves has been with the national Under-20 and Under-23 teams and now has the chance to vie for senior selection.

Mr. Prescott, yuh couldn't fact check? What is South Florida College? Allyuh doh play allyuh could mangle names of institutions. It calls into question whether other elements of your work are accurate. Oh gorm man ... The University of South Florida is wha yuh looking for.

Typical lazy Trini journalism.  They hate to do research and does just guess.  The editors turn a blind eye to fact verification, so this will continue until they get some serious editors in charge of those print houses.

This is nothing new, and it happens all over the world.  How many times have we read reports from abroad about our players and they get so many facts and stats wrong!

But then again, that is when they are writing about us........but we writing about our own players and making errors like that!!

ah love it!!
Title: Re: Coach Maturana brings in his staff.
Post by: weary1969 on March 15, 2008, 03:33:45 PM
If we cyah get it right we expect ESPN or FSC 2 get it right
Title: Maturana: Players played with heart
Post by: FireBrand on March 20, 2008, 05:44:14 PM
Maturana: Players played with heart       
By: Randy Bando (ttproleague.com).


Commenting on Wednesday’s 1-0 performance against El Salvador, Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach Francisco Maturana believed that his young bunch of players played from their hearts.
Relishing his first victory as head coach of T&T, Maturana told reporters, “This is good for the future of T&T football.”
Maturana used an unfamiliar age group to the T&T Senior Team featuring players as young as 16 year old defender Akeem Adams and 18 year old striker Jamal Gay.
He added, “It’s a young group that played from their hearts led by (Aurtis) Whitley. They were intelligent. I saw them playing from their hearts in executing their coaches’ plans.”
T&T boasted young players such as Jamal Gay, Randi Paterson, Khaleem Hyland, Makan Hislop and Akeem Adams. Goalkeeper Marvin Phillip, Keon Daniel. Keston Williams, Kern Cupid, Kerry Baptiste and Aurtis Whitley where not as young but National assistant coach Anton Corneal labeled the squad as a near U23 team.
Corneal went on to add, “This is something that we can use for the future. We used youngsters such as Akeem Adams, Jamal Gay and Randi Paterson who is new to everyone but they all showed potential. We don’t know their role tomorrow but we are sure we have players for the future.”
Just as T&T’s previous encounter against Guadeloupe at the Queens Park Oval which ended goalless, Maturana used the El Salvador friendly to improve defensively.
Corneal explained, “We normally bring in attacking players from abroad. We can always find forwards and midfielders, so coach (Maturana) saw the need to fix the team defensively.”
”Getting the players to remain compact and play cohesive for the ninety minutes was our plan and our plans worked against El Salvador. We saw very little errors by our team and we were able to force El Salvador to play the ball from side to side rather than forward,” added the satisfied assistant coach.
T&T will now prepare for their next fixture against a much powerful opponent, Jamaica in Kingston next Wednesday. Coach Maturana is expected to recall a number of European based pros including Sunderland star Kenwyne Jones. Also expected to be included for the Jamaica clash is Joe Public defender Keyeno Thomas to add some experience in defence. 
Title: Re: Maturana: Players played with heart
Post by: Cocorite on March 21, 2008, 02:57:53 PM
From the express: Maturana's youth edge El Salvador

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161296829
Title: Maturana Arrives In England To Meet With Players
Post by: E-man on May 02, 2008, 03:02:26 PM
Maturana Arrives In England To Meet With Players.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF Media).


England’s National Team will arrive here on May 29 but before that, Francisco Maturana will meet with members of the National Senior Team in London as he plans ahead for the Centennial Clash at the Hasely Crawford Stadium and the upcoming 2010 World Cup qualifying tie with Bermuda

Maturana, assistant coach Anton Corneal and manager David Muhammad arrived in England on Thursday and will meet with some of the UK-based professionals as well as attend a couple games on the weekend.

This is a similar type trip made by past national coaches including ex-coach Leo Beenhakker with the aim of holding discussions with the players, to sensitize them of the  upcoming programs relating to qualification. 

Maturana explained: “It’s important for us to meet with our players and talk about certain things ahead of the matches we have coming up. They will come to Trinidad in May to prepare but I think it was necessary to go to them as well and talk about our plans so that when they are here… it will be just about our preparations for the England game and the qualification matches,” Maturana told TTFF Media.

Sunderland midfielder Carlos Edwards welcomed the visit by Maturana and company.

“The season is almost over and as players we’re quite relieved and happy about that. The coach will be coming to meet with us and see a couple games and I think it’s a good idea. Some of us haven’t met with him much and those like myself will meet him for the first time since he took the job. I’m looking forward to it and it’s important that we discuss our ideas and intentions before getting down to the football,” Edwards told TTFF Media.

The team is expected to come together for a training camp on local soil from May 16 leading up to the England game which will be followed by a June 7 friendly against Jamaica in Port of Spain and the June 15 first World Cup qualifier against Bermuda also at home.

Before that Maturana will take charge of team comprising players similar to the last two matches against Jamaica and Grenada, for another friendly against Barbados at the Marvin Lee Stadium on Sunday May 11, 2008.

Meantime, England coach Fabio Capello says he is trying to find out why England players do not replicate their club form at international level is his toughest managerial assignment.

The Italian said: "This is the problem my predecessors had. I'm hoping I'll be able to understand why and rectify it.
"Looking at the English teams' success in the Champions League, the Premier League is the best in the world,” the Italian said earlier this week.

Speaking at an event organised by England team sponsors Nationwide Building Society, Capello added: "I can't perform miracles, these are the players we have and I can only call up the players we have.

"Creating new players is a long process, it takes a lot of time and you need talent to begin with. It's not going to be fast. Of course the more English players there are playing for English clubs the better it is for me. But at the same time it's good to see that the good English players tend to play for the good English teams irrespective of the number of foreign players here. The quality comes out."

The Italian revealed that a permanent national captain would be unveiled before the friendly with the Czech Republic at Wembley in August.

Capello added that he also believes David Beckham could play again for his country at the 2010 World Cup.

David Beckham

Capello said the Galaxy midfielder could be called up for the tournament in South Africa, if he maintains his fitness. Beckham would be 35 by then.

"The door is open. He played the last game, and did well against France," Capello said. "It depends. There are players who at 33 or 34 take good care of themselves, they understand that the body is not as it was and they take more care. It depends a lot on that.”

Title: Re: Maturana Arrives In England To Meet With Players
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 02, 2008, 09:26:45 PM
 scouting players aye
Title: Re: Maturana Arrives In England To Meet With Players
Post by: mwanasoka on May 03, 2008, 11:34:15 AM
Like a good scientist, he's trying to duplicate Leo Beenhakker's Findings that,

a Consummate Coach can take the smallest country [ Pool ] and coach them up

 to international standards to compete with the likes of WC winners.Coach Maturana

wants to take us to SA 2010 and The Centennial Clash is just the ticket to showcase

his prowess.He will climb the highest mountain or cross the deepest sea to find

the best and most talented players. Defenders maybe? Cyar wait to see we play Brazil

one time under his tutelage. Faith Warriors,Faith.

Ah love it!!       :thinking:
Title: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: palos on June 05, 2008, 12:13:28 AM
Speak up, Maturana.
...Who is the Warrior chief ?
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Hace mejorar su espanol, Francisco Maturana?
(Has your Spanish improved, Francisco Maturana?)


Five months have passed since Maturana accepted the post of Trinidad and Tobago national football team coach. On his inauguration, the Colombian refused to talk in detail about his philosophy and what he brought to the post on the grounds that it was better to be judged on the team's performances.

Perhaps, it is time we had a word then.

Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.
 
The difference in the final score summary is a single goal between June 1, 2008 and June 15, 2006, but that is somewhat misleading.

In Germany, England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson was forced to introduce Wayne Rooney, who was not fully recovered from injury, and use David Beckham as an auxiliary right back in a desperate attempt to breach the stubborn "Soca Warriors" side.

Trinidad and Tobago might have even been ahead as England defender John Terry was forced into an acrobatic goalline clearance to deny Stern John, while Peter Crouch's late opener for the English side should have been disallowed for a tug on opposing defender Brent Sancho.

But it is not merely the contrasting performances of the different Trinidad and Tobago teams that worries.

Maturana, after all, cannot be held culpable for the stagnation in our international game since 2006 due, in large part, to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation's (T&TFF) decision to blacklist 16 senior players over a bonus dispute. He just had the misfortune of inheriting it.

The integrity of Maturana's squad was arguably compromised on Friday, too, when, a day after he named an 18-man squad, FIFA vice-president and T&TFF special adviser Jack Warner ordered the inclusion of 2006 World Cup captain and ex-Manchester United star Dwight Yorke.

Again, there is nothing new about a Trinidad and Tobago coach being forced to accommodate a high-profile player. Maturana asserted, days before the Centennial match, that he would not use Yorke but he is not the first to capitulate before his paymaster.

The surprising thing about Maturana's term, thus far, is not the players he was forced to pick or ignore. Rather, it is the players he seemingly found on his own. Kern Cupid was derided by fans and the media alike for an abysmal performance against England. But it is worth noting that he is not the starting right back for his club, W Connection, while his rival, Kareem Smith of United Petrotrin, upstaged him in friendlies against Grenada and Barbados.

So why did Maturana persist with him if he is not in his best form after apparently using similar criteria to exclude the likes of Chris Birchall, Brent Sancho and Cornell Glen?

Presentation College student Akeem Adams was an unused substitute and, almost certainly, a bright prospect for the future. The T&TFF list his employer as W Connection, too, but that is disingenuous.

Adams has never played for Connection's senior team and was only promoted from their youth to reserve ranks after a plea from national assistant coach Anton Corneal. His selection is even more baffling when one considers that Connection's starting left back is a teenager named Kemuel Rivers.

Is youth and promise the criteria for an international cap these days? Try explaining that to Rivers who, at 19, has never been summoned to a national training session.

Kevaughn Connell, who represents France third division team L'Entente, was virtually unheard of before April 27 when he made a promising debut as a second half substitute in a 2-0 win over Grenada. Connell plays as a striker in France but was used on the left flank against Grenada and England.

If he deserved a call-up, though, why did they not have a look at the Belgium-based duo of striker Matthew Bartholomew (19) and left winger Aaron Downing (20), who graduated through the national youth ranks and play regularly in the lower leagues of another European country?

Can anyone explain, too, why Connell was not selected in Maturana's 18-man squad on Thursday and, on Sunday, was preferred to Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA winger Hayden Tinto as a late substitute?

CLICO San Juan Jabloteh playmaker Ataullah Guerra was elated when he was named in the 18-man squad, too. Two days later, he was informed that his place would be taken by Yorke.

The technical staff could have extended their squad to 19 members, if only to avoid the inevitable disappointment of the unlucky player. On Saturday, when Guerra got the news, he was not offered any such sweetener.

Yet, on match day, he saw another five players added to the team while he was still out in the cold.

Connection goalkeeper Marvin Phillip might have been perplexed, too. He was named, alongside Clayton Ince, in Maturana's 18-man squad but suddenly replaced by Sheffield United-bound custodian Jan-Michael Williams on the eve of the match and also forced to watch proceedings from the stands.

Again, no reason was offered for the selection change, leaving conspiracy theorists to come up with their own.

Sheffield United manager Kevin Blackwell was in the stands. Was there undue influence on the technical staff from others besides Warner?

Maturana no longer appears at press conferences and his assistant, Corneal, speaks on behalf of the technical staff. Does Corneal's influence end there?

At least four players used against England, including Connell, spent part or most of their formative years with the Alcons Football Club, which is run by Corneal and his father, Alvin Corneal, who incidentally worked alongside Maturana on the FIFA technical committee and recommended him for his present job.

Four more Warriors featured in the Centennial game represent Petrotrin, who have a third Corneal, Anton's brother Arnold, in a managerial position.

Granted that the 'Corneal list' includes national record scorer Stern John, who is undeniably worth his pick, while Smith has already been identified as a sound investment and utility player Osei Telesford gave a good account.

Perhaps the progress of such a large group of former pupils is testimony to the coaching prowess of the Corneals.

But the fact that eight from 17 players are linked to the family raises questions, legitimate or not, about whose philosophy directs the team. All coaches pull the odd surprise selection.

In 1996, Bertille St Clair made Ince his first-choice goalkeeper for the Caribbean Cup although, at the time, he was third string at Defence Force. Ince went on to be adjudged the Caribbean's best goalie and, along with Michael Maurice, now holds the record for the most clean sheets by a Trinidad and Tobago custodian in World Cup competition. Dutchman Leo Beenhakker had a few gambles, too.

Midfielder Birchall's stunning volley in the first World Cup Playoff match against Bahrain alone was worth the price of his admission. Goalkeeper Kelvin Jack was superb in the second Playoff leg and virtually flawless when he replaced an in-form Shaka Hislop for the final World Cup fixture against Paraguay, while Jabloteh full back Cyd Gray warmed hearts with a brave and effective display against England's Michael Owen in the World Cup despite being hampered by an injury.

In Beenhakker's camp, there was a consistency in the selection criteria that nurtured a relationship of trust and respect between players and coach.

Even before June 1, Maturana baffled with his choices. He selected a shortlist to face Grenada that did not include versatile bmobile Joe Public attacker Kerry Baptiste and, on the eve of the friendly, recalled Baptiste and started him ahead of players preferred earlier.

It was more of the same against Barbados as United States-based schoolboy Ancil Farrier joined the squad as a late replacement and got the nod over incumbent left back Aklie Edwards of the Defence Force.

The football was patchy and the picks and omissions surprised, but an undefeated stretch of five games, albeit largely against average opposition, preserved the coach's bubble.

It is harsh to suggest that Maturana's stock should fall after defeat to an established football nation like England. But, for all Warner's meddling--and, in retrospect, Yorke was hardly a bad pick--it seems that the Colombian may be the architect for some of his own problems.

Maturana enjoyed a tranquil introduction to life in Trinidad and Tobago on the back of his impressive CV and a string of positive results. It is ridiculous to suggest that the wheels have come off.

In fact, Maturana's marshalling of limited resources remains exemplary and an education to observers. Not even Sunday's one-sided affair detracted from the customary cleverness of his tactical strategies and ability to think on his feet.

Yet, it might be time for him to quell concerns about his selection policy. In January, Maturana, a qualified dentist, promised to be conversing in English within six months.

Una palabra por favor, senor. (A word please, sir).

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Dwight Yorke about to make his entrance during Sunday's friendly international between Trinidad and Tobago and England at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Yorke came on too late to save face for the home team, who went under 3-0.

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England players, including Dean Ashton, left, and David Beckham, celebrate a goal during Sunday's friendly international against Trinidad and Tobago at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. The visitors won 3-0.

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Fete over, back to work (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=36501.msg436426#msg436426).
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 05, 2008, 12:21:59 AM
Like we guh hadda help Lasana get body guards oui...

He hitting harddd
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 12:27:16 AM
Straight drive 4 6 not a  man move
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: palos on June 05, 2008, 12:29:33 AM
Like we guh hadda help Lasana get body guards oui...

He hitting harddd

Is not like he lyin or sumting.  Dese are well known facts.  Lasana eh INVENT nutting here.

Tink bout it fuh real....

You associated wit a football school.  When a player get signed abroad, de school get a fee as part of de transaction.

In order fuh a player to get a foreign contract...especially in de lucrative European market, dat player have to have national team caps to get de work permit

Situation becomin clearer?  Could that POSSIBLY explain de "sudden" advent of players who previously were nowhere near de mix?

Mek yuh wonder why Hyland gettin opportunities but not Peltier for example.

Me eh begrudgin dese players de opportunities dey gettin.  More power to dem.  But fuh de likes of Baptiste, Rivers, Guerra, Leon, Phillips, Aguillera etc, dem mus be wonderin wha de hell dem do to get treat so.

Ask yuhself how come de player dat was identified as one of de top 6 players in de Caribbean, Leston Paul, doh even have a sniff on de National team.  How come?  But Akeem Adams could get a bligh.  And doh get meh wrong...I real happy fuh young Adams.

Tings dat mek yuh go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 12:37:54 AM
Lisana just have guts 2 say d truth is just we cyah handle d truth
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: palos on June 05, 2008, 12:44:45 AM
Lisana just have guts 2 say d truth is just we cyah handle d truth

Yuh doh sleep or wha?  ;D
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: kandi_tt on June 05, 2008, 12:53:52 AM
Lisana just have guts 2 say d truth is just we cyah handle d truth

Yuh doh sleep or wha?  ;D

u now realise that??



this is a boss article...while some know was been going on is good to see some actually beginning to take a stance
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: palos on June 05, 2008, 12:56:11 AM
Lisana just have guts 2 say d truth is just we cyah handle d truth

Yuh doh sleep or wha?  ;D

u now realise that??



this is a boss article...while some know was been going on is good to see some actually beginning to take a stance

Wha de?  Allyuh cross wit soucouyant or wha?  Wha allyuh doin up so late? ;D
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: kandi_tt on June 05, 2008, 01:00:34 AM
Lisana just have guts 2 say d truth is just we cyah handle d truth

Yuh doh sleep or wha?  ;D

u now realise that??



this is a boss article...while some know was been going on is good to see some actually beginning to take a stance

Wha de?  Allyuh cross wit soucouyant or wha?  Wha allyuh doin up so late? ;D

ah just tryin to keep up with west coast and weary...cyah wait fuh she 10 days to finish so she can sleep like

normal people...sigh
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2008, 01:06:20 AM
Quote
Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.

Nonsense.  No way should any comparison be made between the finished product that was that WC team, and the experimental product that was thrown together for this friendly...let alone to use the latter as a gauge as to where we stand relative to the former.  If the same WC players played again under the same crucible of pressure then perhaps.  This is a superficial assessment not befitting a mind as astute as that of the author.


As for the other stuff...who cares?  really.

EDIT:

So what that Mats was forced to accommodate Yorke. 

So what that Connell was given a sweat when his name wasn't even mentioned in the player pool.

The other stuff about the criteria for selection...regular starts (or even sweat) for club, or youth (ostensibly) are good points.  They call to question the very consistency and transparency in selection that some of us fans have been clamoring for.
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: palos on June 05, 2008, 01:08:22 AM
ah just tryin to keep up with west coast and weary...cyah wait fuh she 10 days to finish so she can sleep like

normal people...sigh

West Coast and weary?

WTF?

And all dis time I tort Wast Coast was mar................

Look..lemme stay outta big people bizness eh.... ;D
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: WestCoast on June 05, 2008, 02:09:07 AM
ah just tryin to keep up with west coast and weary...cyah wait fuh she 10 days to finish so she can sleep like
normal people...sigh
West Coast and weary?
WTF?
And all dis time I tort Wast Coast was mar................
Look..lemme stay outta big people bizness eh.... ;D

de two of allya are de finallists of "Trinidad Idle" or wha
 :devil:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: asylumseeker on June 05, 2008, 02:55:24 AM
Quote
Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.

Nonsense.  No way should any comparison be made between the finished product that was that WC team, and the experimental product that was thrown together for this friendly...and then use the latter as a gauge as to where we stand relative to the former.  If the same WC players played again under the same crucible of pressure then perhaps.  This is a superficial assessment not befitting a mind as astute as the author.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: superoli on June 05, 2008, 03:02:55 AM
excellent article well written through out
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: banton on June 05, 2008, 04:33:21 AM
you hit the nail on the head
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2008, 04:42:18 AM
keep putting the truth out there lasana eventually the piper will leave town
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: freakazoid on June 05, 2008, 05:25:30 AM
de two of allya are de finallists of "Trinidad Idle" or wha
 :devil:


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

puun ah d year
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: fishs on June 05, 2008, 05:30:28 AM
  Lasana keeping up his battle with Jack the ripper through subtle critiscism of  the coach.
In reality it's BS, a next journalist could take the same points and turn them around as positives.
Comparing Maturana with other coachs like Capello is also nonsense.
Capello had lots more time and resources to learn English and I heard Maturana speak some English in a recent interview.

I give Maturana 3 more games , then I will criticise or praise.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2008, 05:58:26 AM
Good article Lasana....keep it up!!...
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: injunchile on June 05, 2008, 06:09:33 AM
In The Past it used to be the Maple mafia, now it is the Alcons mafia.
 Liburd is the prophetic voice of T&T football- Keep them honest Lasana.
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: Arimaman on June 05, 2008, 06:18:26 AM
Quote
Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.

Nonsense.  No way should any comparison be made between the finished product that was that WC team, and the experimental product that was thrown together for this friendly...let alone to use the latter as a gauge as to where we stand relative to the former.  If the same WC players played again under the same crucible of pressure then perhaps.  This is a superficial assessment not befitting a mind as astute as that of the author.


As for the other stuff...who cares?  really.

EDIT:

So what that Mats was forced to accommodate Yorke. 

So what that Connell was given a sweat when his name wasn't even mentioned in the player pool.

The other stuff about the criteria for selection...regular starts (or even sweat) for club, or youth (ostensibly) are good points.  They call to question the very consistency and transparency in selection that some of us fans have been clamoring for.

Bake: 

You making some valid points, however, I believe all the other stuff is buffer for the real opinion which is the selection process.

It is not today that the Corneals are doing this.  Go back to when Alvin was coaching.  If I am correct at the time Anton was the youngest player to ever where T&T senior national team colors (I am sure someone can confirm this).  As a player growing up in T&T, I had the opportunity to play for Alcons but my parents would never let me do so b/c of the bias nature in which the Corneals operate.  This is not new and I applaud Lasana for calling a spade a spade.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Lower St. John on June 05, 2008, 06:31:41 AM
Maybe it is just me, but I like what Maturana is about.  The question of the Cornmeal's involvement in the selection of a Trinbago National team will never die, but if that is the case we may have good reason to be worried!!!

Many on this forum have real short memory.  Many questioned Beenie Man's selection policy when he first took over the team in discarding the likes of Fitzpatrick, Ince, and Bertille's guys.  Similarly folks forget Beenie Man's less than impressive early results. He was evaluating talent at the time.  I would like to see Spann, Birchall, Scotland, et al included in the squad noting their experience and age but Matu has enough video tape material on these players playing big teams to judge whether they fit his system.  Big coaches do not make a decision to include a player based on how he trains under him with the team, never has been the case.  Let's not fool ourselves these guys are not exactly playing at the highest divisions either.  Matu does not have any material on the youngsters and for the most part he can work with them more seeing that they are based at home.

Folks must always remember coaches at that level must be prepared to live with their decisions.  When you have success with a small country like Trinidad and Tobago on the World Stage, you can write your ticket to go anywhere.  Similarly if you don't have success even at a regional level, you are DONE as a big time coach.  Coaching Trinidad is like going to Port of Spain General Hospital, if yuh lucky yuh go on to live a decent life if not yuh go to the morgue.  No in between.

Matu has pedigree.  His record speaks for itself.

A coach picks players that suits his system of player.  What is Matu system of play??  What type of player is he looking for?? Me eh know, he has not said so, at least not in English.  I am willing to give him a chance just like I did with Beenie Man.  If he is not successful for South Africa 2010, at least we would have groomed some fresh young talent to move forward to 2014 (and could again cuss the administration for lacking continuity).  If he is successful for 2010, then we would not be the oldest team in the World Cup.

Blessings
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: D.H.W on June 05, 2008, 06:32:38 AM
Lasana yuh throwing some hard cuff these days boy  :beermug:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: royal on June 05, 2008, 06:35:09 AM
So tell me nah,ah see Capello speaking English now,wha about Maturana? I doh know what Jack see in de Corneals.It was Alvin who match up de national team in the early 80's when it used to be called Corneal,sons and friends until dey had to fire him and appoint the late Roderick Warner den Gally Cummings.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2008, 06:41:52 AM
I willing to give Maturana de benefit of the doubt....I willing to see where he going with this team(s) (cuz with all de experimenting we doing, ah never know which 11 go take de field)

BUT....ah eh like how yuh cyar hear from him about what his plans are, what he looking for etc. etc.....is five months now he here.....when he goh talk to we??....and ah doh mean through Anton....ah want to hear from him heself...but do yuh thing Maturana...I waiting patiently...
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2008, 06:52:53 AM
I asked who was running the show some time ago , i guess people now picking up..... According to fenwick they should respect the pro-league a bit more....
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: superoli on June 05, 2008, 06:53:46 AM
I will give him the benefit of the doubt as well but like the TTFF we expect transparency, dont just drop players and bring players in without an explaination. Capello et al will always have media conferences and explain their decisions why should Trinidad be any different ?
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Midknight on June 05, 2008, 07:10:26 AM
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Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.

Nonsense.  No way should any comparison be made between the finished product that was that WC team, and the experimental product that was thrown together for this friendly...let alone to use the latter as a gauge as to where we stand relative to the former.  If the same WC players played again under the same crucible of pressure then perhaps.  This is a superficial assessment not befitting a mind as astute as that of the author.
The very fact that you recognise that it is a superficial assessment should've ticked you off to the fact that criticising it is as useful as trying to sabotage a Benz by taking off the insignia. It might make it slightly less attractive but it don't take nothing away from the vehicule's intrinsic quality to get where it going.
Is just filler to make up the word quota imo, to be glossed over.

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As for the other stuff...who cares?  really.
More people than you would care to think imo. I'm pretty sure that some of the fellas who can't get a sniff of the national team asking themselves similar questions.

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So what that Connell was given a sweat when his name wasn't even mentioned in the player pool.
Quite a number of people inquired as to the sudden unexplained changes in between the published lists and the gameday roster. I don't necessarily buy into the Corneal bad mind conspiracy theory, but you have to admit that it goes back to our habitual vaille-qui-vaille way of doing things, that you (and many others) usually criticise as being an obstacle to our maturity as a (sporting) nation.


I for one am glad somebody finally have the nerve to ask the hard questions instead of preaching to the congregation in the rumshops. I just hope that we get some answers.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Touches on June 05, 2008, 07:13:34 AM
I ent see much difference between Maturana and Wim

Maturana does try to go tru the center...ball lorse.

Wim used to try the flank...ball lorse...men cyar cross.

Same knock the ball in the back, same lack of bite in the middle, same cluelessness and hit and hope up front. Backs and fwd game with no midfield.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

I will give Maturana all props for gettin rid of Seon Power and Dwayne Jack.

Funny how Telesford look decent vs England and vs JA the commentators and myself find he was running around wild and clueless.



Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Midknight on June 05, 2008, 07:15:58 AM
  Lasana keeping up his battle with Jack the ripper through subtle critiscism of  the coach.
In reality it's BS, a next journalist could take the same points and turn them around as positives.

Yes, but the TTFF ent paying Lasana a cent do do Fuentes' work. So until then, I will take critical BS over bamcee licking BS.

Is not even like if Lasana ent say nothing good about Maturana. The day anyone of the TTFF cronies lay an article as balanced as this, I will personally call him and ask him to shake his hand.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2008, 07:21:38 AM
I ent see much difference between Maturana and Wim

Maturana does try to go tru the center...ball lorse.

Wim used to try the flank...ball lorse...men cyar cross.

Same knock the ball in the back, same lack of bite in the middle, same cluelessness and hit and hope up front. Backs and fwd game with no midfield.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

I will give Maturana all props for gettin rid of Seon Power and Dwayne Jack.

Funny how Telesford look decent vs England and vs JA the commentators and myself find he was running around wild and clueless.


sean power is injured touches
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: dinho on June 05, 2008, 07:22:36 AM
i get the impression that Lasana is waiting with baited breath for the wheels to fall off..

much of the article is premature in my opinion.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 07:34:01 AM
It safe 2 compare d finish product wit d new product because y was a new product invented?

When I heard Jan Michael name call I say hmmmmmmmmm must have gotten dat wrong

Then I heard Connell name I text Patriot ah say whah happen dey we both figured out that d press was stellar as per usual and got it wrong.

Then we all read Lisana and we knew what really happened so brudder say what u have 2 say as 4 all who invested in Maturana good 4 dem my investment iz i n TNT futbol and once d Corneals involve as dey ah it eh have no my ROI
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Insider on June 05, 2008, 07:53:06 AM
Can anyone translate this article into Spanish. I can get it to Maturana before Corneal does.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 08:02:45 AM
Free Translation. com it worked wonders when I was doin Spanish 4 business
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: kingman on June 05, 2008, 08:10:47 AM
Great article. Lasana, I would have liked you to be our TTFF Communication Officer because a lot of nonsense be going on internally and we never get to find out (which is unfair because we at least deserve that much). Realistically, that wouldn't happen because the TTFF want someone who would "suck dey totee." Shaun fits that cap.

Do any of you guys remember when we qualified for the WC, Anton was not showing 100% support to Leo because he thought that some of "his" players where better than the players that Leo had selected?

Leo was a hard coach for him (Anton) to Manipulate. Well Leo left to coach brighter pastures (well at least so he thought) and Anton fought determinedly to insure that Wim was gone, since him too (Wim) was not only insulting our players, league; but also not giving Anton his time of the day. So anyways, he (Anton) finally got his wish. Anton knowing that he cannot get the head coaching job goes on to "recommends" Maturana for the head coach position because he knows he would be someone that will listen to him and give him a sense of power.

Case and point, Anton's 7 or so player on the present team (With all due respect to those players).

We does go on and on about Jack Warner but hardly ever talk about the "Corneal Kingdom." Their joined forces will make our passion for the country's beloved sport and beloved team go sour. All the Corneal's and their "lick kakahole men" that support and surround them, need to all go to hell.

Let this article open up ALL of our eyes. According to Andre Samuel "ah love it"

Kingman
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Sam on June 05, 2008, 08:19:29 AM
Can anyone translate this article into Spanish. I can get it to Maturana before Corneal does.

Guys, lets follow up on this request. Can anyone translate it properly ? send it to Insider now..

Lasana is just a boss !!!!

Wasn't Roberts from Corneal school to.... now the Corneals could boast about how many players they supply to the T&T senior team yearly. They resume will look good. More than any other club in T&T...

And the thing is they dont even like Jack Warner, I know that personally.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 08:23:01 AM
I was not jokin freetranslation.com is d best side I used
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: kingman on June 05, 2008, 08:23:10 AM
Can anyone translate this article into Spanish. I can get it to Maturana before Corneal does.

Guys, lets follow up on this request. Can anyone translate it properly ? send it to Insider now..

Lasana is just a boss !!!!

Wasn't Roberts from Corneal school to.... now the Corneals could boast about how many players they supply to the T&T senior team yearly. They resume will look good. More than any other club in T&T...

And the thing is they dont even like Jack Warner, I know that personally.


I can translate it properly but I fraid Anton intercept that email and change around the words before giving it to Maturana. You know he is that.  :rotfl:

But seriously, you guys need it translated? I need an email address to send it to. Who we sending it too? Insider or Mturana?

Yes, Roberts was a player in Corneal coaching school.


Kingman
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: kingman on June 05, 2008, 08:25:13 AM
I was not jokin freetranslation.com is d best side I used

To get the proper translation from freetranslation.com you would need to pay. Otherwise, if you use "as is" it would translate the article poorly.

Kingman
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: D.H.W on June 05, 2008, 08:32:38 AM
Can anyone translate this article into Spanish. I can get it to Maturana before Corneal does.
spanish translation to the bottom

http://www.google.com/translate_t?hl=en

Translation: English » Spanish

Speak up, Maturana. ...Who is the Warrior chief ? By: Lasana Liburd (Express). Hace mejorar su espanol, Francisco Maturana? (Has your Spanish improved, Francisco Maturana?) Five months have passed since Maturana accepted the post of Trinidad and Tobago national football team coach. On his inauguration, the Colombian refused to talk in detail about his philosophy and what he brought to the post on the grounds that it was better to be judged on the team's performances. Perhaps, it is time we had a word then. Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup. The difference in the final score summary is a single goal between June 1, 2008 and June 15, 2006, but that is somewhat misleading. In Germany, England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson was forced to introduce Wayne Rooney, who was not fully recovered from injury, and use David Beckham as an auxiliary right back in a desperate attempt to breach the stubborn "Soca Warriors" side. Trinidad and Tobago might have even been ahead as England defender John Terry was forced into an acrobatic goalline clearance to deny Stern John, while Peter Crouch's late opener for the English side should have been disallowed for a tug on opposing defender Brent Sancho. But it is not merely the contrasting performances of the different Trinidad and Tobago teams that worries. Maturana, after all, cannot be held culpable for the stagnation in our international game since 2006 due, in large part, to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation's (T&TFF) decision to blacklist 16 senior players over a bonus dispute. He just had the misfortune of inheriting it. The integrity of Maturana's squad was arguably compromised on Friday, too, when, a day after he named an 18-man squad, FIFA vice-president and T&TFF special adviser Jack Warner ordered the inclusion of 2006 World Cup captain and ex-Manchester United star Dwight Yorke. Again, there is nothing new about a Trinidad and Tobago coach being forced to accommodate a high-profile player. Maturana asserted, days before the Centennial match, that he would not use Yorke but he is not the first to capitulate before his paymaster. The surprising thing about Maturana's term, thus far, is not the players he was forced to pick or ignore. Rather, it is the players he seemingly found on his own. Kern Cupid was derided by fans and the media alike for an abysmal performance against England. But it is worth noting that he is not the starting right back for his club, W Connection, while his rival, Kareem Smith of United Petrotrin, upstaged him in friendlies against Grenada and Barbados. So why did Maturana persist with him if he is not in his best form after apparently using similar criteria to exclude the likes of Chris Birchall, Brent Sancho and Cornell Glen? Presentation College student Akeem Adams was an unused substitute and, almost certainly, a bright prospect for the future. The T&TFF list his employer as W Connection, too, but that is disingenuous. Adams has never played for Connection's senior team and was only promoted from their youth to reserve ranks after a plea from national assistant coach Anton Corneal. His selection is even more baffling when one considers that Connection's starting left back is a teenager named Kemuel Rivers. Is youth and promise the criteria for an international cap these days? Try explaining that to Rivers who, at 19, has never been summoned to a national training session. Kevaughn Connell, who represents France third division team L'Entente, was virtually unheard of before April 27 when he made a promising debut as a second half substitute in a 2-0 win over Grenada. Connell plays as a striker in France but was used on the left flank against Grenada and England. If he deserved a call-up, though, why did they not have a look at the Belgium-based duo of striker Matthew Bartholomew (19) and left winger Aaron Downing (20), who graduated through the national youth ranks and play regularly in the lower leagues of another European country? Can anyone explain, too, why Connell was not selected in Maturana's 18-man squad on Thursday and, on Sunday, was preferred to Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA winger Hayden Tinto as a late substitute? CLICO San Juan Jabloteh playmaker Ataullah Guerra was elated when he was named in the 18-man squad, too. Two days later, he was informed that his place would be taken by Yorke. The technical staff could have extended their squad to 19 members, if only to avoid the inevitable disappointment of the unlucky player. On Saturday, when Guerra got the news, he was not offered any such sweetener. Yet, on match day, he saw another five players added to the team while he was still out in the cold. Connection goalkeeper Marvin Phillip might have been perplexed, too. He was named, alongside Clayton Ince, in Maturana's 18-man squad but suddenly replaced by Sheffield United-bound custodian Jan-Michael Williams on the eve of the match and also forced to watch proceedings from the stands. Again, no reason was offered for the selection change, leaving conspiracy theorists to come up with their own. Sheffield United manager Kevin Blackwell was in the stands. Was there undue influence on the technical staff from others besides Warner? Maturana no longer appears at press conferences and his assistant, Corneal, speaks on behalf of the technical staff. Does Corneal's influence end there? At least four players used against England, including Connell, spent part or most of their formative years with the Alcons Football Club, which is run by Corneal and his father, Alvin Corneal, who incidentally worked alongside Maturana on the FIFA technical committee and recommended him for his present job. Four more Warriors featured in the Centennial game represent Petrotrin, who have a third Corneal, Anton's brother Arnold, in a managerial position. Granted that the 'Corneal list' includes national record scorer Stern John, who is undeniably worth his pick, while Smith has already been identified as a sound investment and utility player Osei Telesford gave a good account. Perhaps the progress of such a large group of former pupils is testimony to the coaching prowess of the Corneals. But the fact that eight from 17 players are linked to the family raises questions, legitimate or not, about whose philosophy directs the team. All coaches pull the odd surprise selection. In 1996, Bertille St Clair made Ince his first-choice goalkeeper for the Caribbean Cup although, at the time, he was third string at Defence Force. Ince went on to be adjudged the Caribbean's best goalie and, along with Michael Maurice, now holds the record for the most clean sheets by a Trinidad and Tobago custodian in World Cup competition. Dutchman Leo Beenhakker had a few gambles, too. Midfielder Birchall's stunning volley in the first World Cup Playoff match against Bahrain alone was worth the price of his admission. Goalkeeper Kelvin Jack was superb in the second Playoff leg and virtually flawless when he replaced an in-form Shaka Hislop for the final World Cup fixture against Paraguay, while Jabloteh full back Cyd Gray warmed hearts with a brave and effective display against England's Michael Owen in the World Cup despite being hampered by an injury. In Beenhakker's camp, there was a consistency in the selection criteria that nurtured a relationship of trust and respect between players and coach. Even before June 1, Maturana baffled with his choices. He selected a shortlist to face Grenada that did not include versatile bmobile Joe Public attacker Kerry Baptiste and, on the eve of the friendly, recalled Baptiste and started him ahead of players preferred earlier. It was more of the same against Barbados as United States-based schoolboy Ancil Farrier joined the squad as a late replacement and got the nod over incumbent left back Aklie Edwards of the Defence Force. The football was patchy and the picks and omissions surprised, but an undefeated stretch of five games, albeit largely against average opposition, preserved the coach's bubble. It is harsh to suggest that Maturana's stock should fall after defeat to an established football nation like England. But, for all Warner's meddling--and, in retrospect, Yorke was hardly a bad pick--it seems that the Colombian may be the architect for some of his own problems. Maturana enjoyed a tranquil introduction to life in Trinidad and Tobago on the back of his impressive CV and a string of positive results. It is ridiculous to suggest that the wheels have come off. In fact, Maturana's marshalling of limited resources remains exemplary and an education to observers. Not even Sunday's one-sided affair detracted from the customary cleverness of his tactical strategies and ability to think on his feet. Yet, it might be time for him to quell concerns about his selection policy. In January, Maturana, a qualified dentist, promised to be conversing in English within six months. Una palabra por favor, senor. (A word please, sir).       




Hablar, Maturana.
... ¿Quién es el jefe guerrero?
Por: Lasana LIBURD (Express).

Hare MEJORAR su español, Francisco Maturana?
(¿Ha mejorado su español, Francisco Maturana?)

Cinco meses han pasado desde que Maturana aceptó el puesto de Trinidad y Tobago nacional de fútbol entrenador del equipo. En su toma de posesión, el colombiano se negó a hablar en detalle acerca de su filosofía y lo que ha llevado al puesto con el argumento de que era mejor para ser juzgado por el equipo del artista.

Quizás, es hora de que tengamos una palabra entonces.

Trinidad y Tobago la humildad derrota 3-0 a Inglaterra el 1 de junio fue un sorprendente ejemplo, si uno se necesitaba, en cuanto a la magnitud de la caída del equipo desde el verano de 2006 en la Copa del Mundo de Alemania.
 
La diferencia en la puntuación final es un resumen único objetivo entre el 1 de junio de 2008 y 15 de junio de 2006, sino que es un tanto engañosa.

En Alemania, Inglaterra coach Sven-Goran Eriksson se vio obligado a introducir Wayne Rooney, que no estaba plenamente recuperado de una lesión, y la utilización David Beckham como un derecho auxiliar en un intento desesperado de la violación obstinada "Soca Warriors".

Trinidad y Tobago podría haber sido incluso por delante de Inglaterra defensor John Terry se vio obligado en un acrobático goalline liquidación de negar Stern John, Peter Crouch, mientras que la tardía apertura de Inglés para el lado debería haber sido rechazado por un remolcador a oponerse defensor Brent Sancho.

Pero no es sólo el contraste actuaciones de los diferentes Trinidad y Tobago que preocupa a los equipos.

Maturana, después de todo, no puede ser considerado culpable del estancamiento en nuestro juego internacional desde 2006 debido, en gran parte, a la Trinidad y Tobago de la Federación de Fútbol (T & TFF) decisión de "lista negra" 16 jugadores de alto nivel durante un bono controversia. Él sólo tuvo la desgracia de heredar.

La integridad de la plantilla Maturana fue sin duda en peligro el viernes, también, cuando, un día después de haber nombrado un hombre de 18 brigada, la FIFA vice-presidente y T & TFF asesor especial Jack Warner ordenó la inclusión de la Copa del Mundo de 2006 y ex capitán de Manchester United estrellas Dwight Yorke.

Una vez más, no hay nada nuevo acerca de un Trinidad y Tobago entrenador está obligado a acomodar un alto perfil de jugador. Maturana afirmó, días antes del partido del Centenario, que no uso Yorke pero él no es el primero en capitular antes de su pagador.

La cosa sorprendente sobre el mandato de Maturana, hasta ahora, no se los jugadores se vio obligado a recoger o pasar por alto. Más bien, es los jugadores que aparentemente se encuentran en el suyo propio. Kern Cupido se derided por los fanáticos y los medios de comunicación por igual para un rendimiento abismal en contra de Inglaterra. Pero vale la pena señalar que él no es el derecho de comenzar de nuevo por su club, W Connection, mientras que su rival, Kareem Smith Unidos de PETROTRIN, upstaged él en amistosos contra Granada y Barbados.

Entonces, ¿por qué persisten Maturana con él si él no está en su mejor forma después de aparentemente usando criterios similares para excluir a los gustos de Chris Birchall, Brent Sancho y Cornell Glen?

Presentación Colegio estudiante Akeem Adams era un sustituto y no utilizados, casi con toda seguridad, una brillante perspectiva para el futuro. El T & TFF la lista de su empleador como W Connection, demasiado, pero eso es falso.

Adams nunca ha jugado para la conexión del equipo de categoría superior y sólo se promovió la juventud de sus filas a la reserva después de un motivo de asistente de entrenador nacional Anton Corneal. Su selección es aún más desconcertante si se considera que la conexión a partir del lateral izquierdo es un adolescente llamado Kemuel Ríos.

¿Es la juventud y la promesa de los criterios internacionales para un tope en estos días? Trate de explicar que a los ríos que, a los 19, nunca ha sido citado a una sesión de entrenamiento nacional.

Kevaughn Connell, que representa a Francia tercera división equipo de L'Entente, era prácticamente desconocida antes de abril 27 cuando él hizo un prometedor debut como sustituto segunda mitad en una victoria 2-0 sobre Granada. Connell juega como delantero en Francia, pero fue utilizado en el flanco izquierdo contra Granada e Inglaterra.

Si merecían una llamada a filas, aunque, ¿por qué no echar un vistazo a las Bélgica basada en dúo de delantero Matthew Bartholomew (19) y el extremo izquierdo Aaron Downing (20), que se graduaron a través de las filas nacionales de la juventud y juega regularmente en las ligas inferiores de otro país europeo?

¿Puede alguien explicar, también, ¿por qué Connell no fue seleccionado en Maturana's 18-man escuadra el jueves y el domingo, se prefirió a Neal & Massy Caledonia AFP extremo Hayden Tinto como un sustituto tarde?

CLICO San Juan Jabloteh playmaker Ataullah Guerra encantados cuando fue nombrado en la 18 brigada hombre, también. Dos días más tarde, se le informó de que su lugar sería ocupado por Yorke.

El personal técnico podría haber ampliado su plantilla a 19 miembros, aunque sólo sea para evitar la inevitable decepción por la mala suerte de jugador. El sábado, cuando Guerra llegó la noticia, no se le ofrecen este tipo de edulcorante.

Sin embargo, por coincidir con día, vio a otros cinco jugadores añadido para el equipo mientras se encontraba aún en el frío.

Conexión portero Marvin Phillip podría haber sido perplejos, también. Fue nombrado, junto a Clayton Ince, en Maturana's 18-man escuadra, pero de repente sustituirá por Sheffield Unidos sujetos a custodia Jan-Michael Williams en vísperas del partido y también obligados a observar los procedimientos de los stands.

Una vez más, ninguna razón se le ofreció para cambiar la selección, dejando a los teóricos de la conspiración para llegar a sus propias.

Sheffield Unidos director Kevin Blackwell fue en las gradas. ¿Existe una influencia indebida sobre el personal técnico de otros, además de Warner?

Maturana ya no aparece en las conferencias de prensa y su asistente, la córnea, habla en nombre del personal técnico. ¿La influencia de la córnea final?

Al menos cuatro jugadores utilizados contra Inglaterra, incluyendo Connell, pasó parte o la mayoría de sus años de formación con el Alcons Fútbol Club, que está dirigido por la córnea y su padre, Alvin Corneal, que por cierto trabajó junto a Maturana en el comité técnico de la FIFA y le recomendó por su trabajo actual.

Cuatro guerreros más destacado en el juego del Centenario representan PETROTRIN, que tienen un tercio corneal, el hermano de Anton Arnold, en un cargo directivo.

Dado que la "lista de la córnea" incluye registro nacional goleador Stern John, que es innegable valor de su selección, mientras que Smith ya ha sido identificada como una buena inversión y la utilidad jugador Osei Telesford dio una buena cuenta.

Tal vez el progreso de este gran grupo de ex alumnos es testimonio de las proezas de coaching de la Corneals.

Pero el hecho de que ocho de 17 jugadores están vinculadas a la familia plantea preguntas, legítimos o no, acerca de cuya filosofía dirige el equipo. Todos los entrenadores tirar la extraña sorpresa de selección.

En 1996, Bertille St Clair Ince hizo su primera opción para el guardameta Copa del Caribe a pesar de que, en el momento, fue tercera cadena en la Fuerza de Defensa. Ince pasó a ser el Caribe determinó el mejor portero y, junto con Michael Maurice, ahora tiene el récord de los más limpios de hojas de un Trinidad y Tobago custodio en la Copa del Mundo de la competencia. Holandés Leo Beenhakker había unos juega, también.

Mediocampista Birchall del voley impresionante en la primera Copa del Mundo de playoff partido contra Bahrein por sí solo valía la pena el precio de su admisión. Portero Kelvin Jack era excelente en el segundo playoff pierna y prácticamente impecable cuando se sustituye a un formulario-Shaka Hislop para el final de la Copa del Mundo de instalación fija contra el Paraguay, mientras que Jabloteh lateral Cyd Gray calentado con un corazón valiente y eficaz contra la pantalla de Inglaterra Michael Owen en la Copa del Mundo a pesar de ser obstaculizado por una lesión.

En Beenhakker del campamento, hubo una coherencia en los criterios de selección que nutre una relación de confianza y respeto entre los jugadores y el entrenador.

Incluso antes de 1 de junio de Maturana desconcertado con sus opciones. Se seleccionó una lista corta para hacer frente a Granada que no incluía versátil bmobile Joe Pública atacante y Kerry Baptiste, en vísperas de la amistad, recuerda Bautista y empezó a él delante de los jugadores preferidos antes.

Es más de lo mismo en contra de Barbados como sede en los Estados Unidos escolar Ancil Farrier se unió a la plantilla como un reemplazo tarde y obtuvo el guiño más de lateral izquierdo titular Aklie Edwards de la Fuerza de Defensa.

El fútbol fue desigual y los picos y omisiones sorprendido, pero undefeated un tramo de cinco juegos, aunque en gran medida contra la media de oposición, conservas el entrenador de la burbuja.

Es duro para sugerir que Maturana acciones deben caer después de derrotar a una nación futbolística como Inglaterra. Pero, para todos Warner entrometerse - y, en retrospectiva, Yorke fue apenas una mala selección - parece que el colombiano puede ser el arquitecto de algunos de sus propios problemas.

Maturana disfrutado de una tranquila introducción a la vida en Trinidad y Tobago en la parte posterior de su impresionante currículum y una cadena de resultados positivos. Es ridículo sugerir que las ruedas se han apagado.

De hecho, Maturana de la clasificación de los limitados recursos sigue siendo ejemplar y una educación a los observadores. Ni siquiera del domingo unilateral asunto restaba de la habitual astucia de sus estrategias y tácticas capacidad de pensar en sus pies.

Sin embargo, tal vez sea hora de que él para sofocar las preocupaciones acerca de su política de selección. En enero, Maturana, un dentista cualificado, prometía ser conversando en Inglés dentro de los seis meses.

Una palabra por favor, señor. (Una palabra por favor, señor).
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 05, 2008, 08:35:50 AM
Lasana article totally make sense to me. At least Wim was flexible in his experimentation, he try pretty much most of the better PL players during his tenure. Now the selections are completely baffling. Anybody know who Jamal Gay agent is and who is representing him in Sweden, or more importantly, who is making money by getting him signed?

I not trying to belittle the youth, I like that he getting a chance at such an early age, but obviously something is going on behind the scenes that few outside the industry know about. Without casting aspersions on people without clear evidence for such, we need youths like Gay to get outside as quickly as possible, but we don't need yet another family using questionable, opaque practices to profit at the expense of others.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: andre samuel on June 05, 2008, 08:37:28 AM
i get the impression that Lasana is waiting with baited breath for the wheels to fall off..


It is a good article, but i must admit that i agree with you!!

I have said it before, Warner shit up Lisana real bad and i think that Lisana has his "motives" for writing these articles.

I am not speaking against good investigative journalism, i am glad he is exposing Jack and all the shit that is happening.  But i think he goes overboard too quick.

He jamming Maturana unneccesarily.  I think our coach is doing an excellent job.  He is focusing on our local players and working with them.

In this article Lisana comparing the performance of this team with one that had 3-4 months of secluded preparation.  

He is just waiting for de man to fail.




Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: D.H.W on June 05, 2008, 08:38:32 AM
alyuh i do to translation above eh, how we sending this thing now. PM insider?
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: RGarcia on June 05, 2008, 08:42:57 AM
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Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.

Nonsense.  No way should any comparison be made between the finished product that was that WC team, and the experimental product that was thrown together for this friendly...let alone to use the latter as a gauge as to where we stand relative to the former.  If the same WC players played again under the same crucible of pressure then perhaps.  This is a superficial assessment not befitting a mind as astute as that of the author.


As for the other stuff...who cares?  really.

EDIT:

So what that Mats was forced to accommodate Yorke. 

So what that Connell was given a sweat when his name wasn't even mentioned in the player pool.

The other stuff about the criteria for selection...regular starts (or even sweat) for club, or youth (ostensibly) are good points.  They call to question the very consistency and transparency in selection that some of us fans have been clamoring for.
The Point is the trust between player and coach. Bennie had his players trust vice versa and mats seems not to... it looks like other people is picking his squad for him... I SMELL FISH!! :devil:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 08:47:59 AM
Gracias insider over 2

Zandolie we luv Maturana

Lisana get d last word Jack try 2 shit him up but ticket or leave it was expose FIFA had 2 pretend dey disciplin he etc. As 4 waitin on d team 2 fail what Corneal and dem was doin 2 d Don and crew sayin he playin locals etc. Lisana after 5 mths critical bout Pancho how long it took bd dey get on D Don back
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: trinikev on June 05, 2008, 08:51:00 AM
i get the impression that Lasana is waiting with baited breath for the wheels to fall off..


It is a good article, but i must admit that i agree with you!!

I have said it before, Warner shit up Lisana real bad and i think that Lisana has his "motives" for writing these articles.

I am not speaking against good investigative journalism, i am glad he is exposing Jack and all the shit that is happening.  But i think he goes overboard too quick.

He jamming Maturana unneccesarily.  I think our coach is doing an excellent job.  He is focusing on our local players and working with them.

In this article Lisana comparing the performance of this team with one that had 3-4 months of secluded preparation.  

He is just waiting for de man to fail.






I eh know if i really agree with this sentiment, cuz he said some good things about the man too. I think his question is more about the level of the Corneals' involvement, that is them really pulling all the strings, cuz frankly the selections thus far do seem somewhat biased.  
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Big Magician on June 05, 2008, 10:26:56 AM
good fuh we
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 05, 2008, 11:00:50 AM
I for one don't believe that Maturana owes an explanation of his selection criteria. As we all know talent is a dime a dozen in T&T, but those of us who have been involved with soccer for some time also know that there are other factors apart from skill that determines success. 

As much as I admire Lisana - he does sound like a Monday morning quarterback in this article. Maturana's commitment to local players for this campaign is something I embrace. I am confident that if he is to depend on the foreign based we will not qualify. Let's not forget that we scrape through to the last WC even with our best, and the main reason (in my opinion) was that Beenie did not have quality access to our best.

Maturana has enough time to shape and educate the home based, and get them pass our early qualifiers. As much as we can argue that England did not put pressure on our lads, I saw enough from this new crop to take some of the worry away.

With that said, the TTFF now need to schedule friendlies against quality opponents if this is to work. Friendlies against lowly Concacaf teams will give us the win, but not improve this young inexperienced team.

The argument that the Corneals have an influence in the selection process is without significant merit, simply because we all know that these gentlemen understand talent - the Cornell kid is no Samuel, but he didn't look too bad. Cupid seemed nervous in his start, but I am willing to accept his nervousness - all things considered (he does have a quick turn, a quality necessary to good recovery).

Remember that our pool of quality experienced foreign players have dwindled significantly - Most of the players who featured in the last WC are (in my opinion) too old, and may not be as motivated. To get into to the WC we need highly motivated players.

However, I also would like to see Birchall, Samuel and Spann on the current team. I have no loyalty to our past defenders, especially those without speed. Just my take.

Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Daft Trini on June 05, 2008, 11:17:52 AM
Get the article to Supa... he wife Puerto Rican....  :)
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: trinikev on June 05, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
Baygo, if yuh study the article, notice Lisana eh criticise the selection of locals, he was just pointing out that the locals being called in more often than not have ties to the Corneals, sometimes even when some of the locals getting called up barely even playing for their clubs (see Kern Cupid, Akeem Adams). And what is confusing here is that this is the very reason they put forward for not selecting Birchall, Sancho, Glenn, etc.

It's just the lack of consistency that is raising a red flag
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: D.H.W on June 05, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
Get the article to Supa... he wife Puerto Rican....  :)

heh sly one  :devil: :devil:  :beermug:
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2008, 11:40:08 AM
Bake: 

You making some valid points, however, I believe all the other stuff is buffer for the real opinion which is the selection process.

It is not today that the Corneals are doing this.  Go back to when Alvin was coaching.  If I am correct at the time Anton was the youngest player to ever where T&T senior national team colors (I am sure someone can confirm this).  As a player growing up in T&T, I had the opportunity to play for Alcons but my parents would never let me do so b/c of the bias nature in which the Corneals operate.  This is not new and I applaud Lasana for calling a spade a spade.

Yeah Arima...I agree that that is the main thrust of his argument, I just find some of the other stuff trivial and really just serving to detract from that main point. 

Part of me also feel that people going overboard in their criticisms of Maturana...little nonsense like him not speaking as much English as they like and having Anton be his translator...or the fact that he played a player whose name wasn't originally in the pool...and all this other nonsense.  Any number of these occurrences could reasonably be explained away, but because of the level of distrust we have for the TTFF (and that some have for the Corneals themselves- not saying anything of you, I remember your story well)...that translates into incessant nit-picking and second-guessing of Maturana, despite the fact that we can see improvements in the team under him.

To me that should be the bottom line.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2008, 11:41:38 AM
Maybe it is just me, but I like what Maturana is about.  The question of the Cornmeal's involvement in the selection of a Trinbago National team will never die, but if that is the case we may have good reason to be worried!!!

Many on this forum have real short memory.  Many questioned Beenie Man's selection policy when he first took over the team in discarding the likes of Fitzpatrick, Ince, and Bertille's guys.  Similarly folks forget Beenie Man's less than impressive early results. He was evaluating talent at the time.  I would like to see Spann, Birchall, Scotland, et al included in the squad noting their experience and age but Matu has enough video tape material on these players playing big teams to judge whether they fit his system.  Big coaches do not make a decision to include a player based on how he trains under him with the team, never has been the case.  Let's not fool ourselves these guys are not exactly playing at the highest divisions either.  Matu does not have any material on the youngsters and for the most part he can work with them more seeing that they are based at home.

Folks must always remember coaches at that level must be prepared to live with their decisions.  When you have success with a small country like Trinidad and Tobago on the World Stage, you can write your ticket to go anywhere.  Similarly if you don't have success even at a regional level, you are DONE as a big time coach.  Coaching Trinidad is like going to Port of Spain General Hospital, if yuh lucky yuh go on to live a decent life if not yuh go to the morgue.  No in between.

Matu has pedigree.  His record speaks for itself.

A coach picks players that suits his system of player.  What is Matu system of play??  What type of player is he looking for?? Me eh know, he has not said so, at least not in English.  I am willing to give him a chance just like I did with Beenie Man.  If he is not successful for South Africa 2010, at least we would have groomed some fresh young talent to move forward to 2014 (and could again cuss the administration for lacking continuity).  If he is successful for 2010, then we would not be the oldest team in the World Cup.

Blessings

You pretty much kill the nail right there.

I like Baygo's post too..big post.


I also understand the concerns with consistency and transparency...especially given the involvement of the Corneals.  Overall I think some fair comments are being made on both sides.

---------

Midknight..."vaille-que-vaille"??   ;D  with proper spelling too yes  :beermug:


Kingman say Shaun sucking de TTFF totee  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: fishs on June 05, 2008, 11:43:12 AM
  Lasana keeping up his battle with Jack the ripper through subtle critiscism of  the coach.
In reality it's BS, a next journalist could take the same points and turn them around as positives.

Yes, but the TTFF ent paying Lasana a cent do do Fuentes' work. So until then, I will take critical BS over bamcee licking BS.

Is not even like if Lasana ent say nothing good about Maturana. The day anyone of the TTFF cronies lay an article as balanced as this, I will personally call him and ask him to shake his hand.

Breds I did say SUBTLE. CRITISCISM.
Anyhow Jack have ah way of buying men out , leh we wait and see. Remember Valentino Singh ?
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 05, 2008, 11:51:08 AM
Baygo, if yuh study the article, notice Lisana eh criticise the selection of locals, he was just pointing out that the locals being called in more often than not have ties to the Corneals, sometimes even when some of the locals getting called up barely even playing for their clubs (see Kern Cupid, Akeem Adams). And what is confusing here is that this is the very reason they put forward for not selecting Birchall, Sancho, Glenn, etc.

It's just the lack of consistency that is raising a red flag

Kev, I agree with you - he is not critizing the locals - he has been pro-local. I am not going to try to speak for the Corneals, but I would like to believe that the coaching staff see something in those players to include them as starters. You and I both know that the fact some players may not be starting on their club teams should not be an indication that they are not worthy of National selection. It's just a matter of Coaching perspective and philosophy.

I agree with you regarding their reason for not calling Birchall and the others, but remember Maturana is seing more of the locals, and he should not be influenced by what we think of Birchall and the other Foreign based.
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: doc on June 05, 2008, 12:08:16 PM
Quote
Trinidad and Tobago's humbling 3-0 defeat to England on June 1 was a startling example, if one was needed, as to the extent of the team's decline since the summer of 2006 at the Germany World Cup.

Nonsense.  No way should any comparison be made between the finished product that was that WC team, and the experimental product that was thrown together for this friendly...let alone to use the latter as a gauge as to where we stand relative to the former.  If the same WC players played again under the same crucible of pressure then perhaps.  This is a superficial assessment not befitting a mind as astute as that of the author.


As for the other stuff...who cares?  really.

EDIT:

So what that Mats was forced to accommodate Yorke. 

So what that Connell was given a sweat when his name wasn't even mentioned in the player pool.

The other stuff about the criteria for selection...regular starts (or even sweat) for club, or youth (ostensibly) are good points.  They call to question the very consistency and transparency in selection that some of us fans have been clamoring for.

Bake: 

You making some valid points, however, I believe all the other stuff is buffer for the real opinion which is the selection process.

It is not today that the Corneals are doing this.  Go back to when Alvin was coaching.  If I am correct at the time Anton was the youngest player to ever where T&T senior national team colors (I am sure someone can confirm this).  As a player growing up in T&T, I had the opportunity to play for Alcons but my parents would never let me do so b/c of the bias nature in which the Corneals operate.  This is not new and I applaud Lasana for calling a spade a spade.
Right you are!! Further Maple was playing in the NFL 2nd division and had the most players in the squad. :devil:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: trinikev on June 05, 2008, 12:14:24 PM
Baygo, if yuh study the article, notice Lisana eh criticise the selection of locals, he was just pointing out that the locals being called in more often than not have ties to the Corneals, sometimes even when some of the locals getting called up barely even playing for their clubs (see Kern Cupid, Akeem Adams). And what is confusing here is that this is the very reason they put forward for not selecting Birchall, Sancho, Glenn, etc.

It's just the lack of consistency that is raising a red flag

Kev, I agree with you - he is not critizing the locals - he has been pro-local. I am not going to try to speak for the Corneals, but I would like to believe that the coaching staff see something in those players to include them as starters. You and I both know that the fact some players may not be starting on their club teams should not be an indication that they are not worthy of National selection. It's just a matter of Coaching perspective and philosophy.

I agree with you regarding their reason for not calling Birchall and the others, but remember Maturana is seing more of the locals, and he should not be influenced by what we think of Birchall and the other Foreign based.

Yuh making some good points, and I fully see where u coming from. You definitely right that our personal opinions on Birchall and the rest should not influence Maturana's decision; he is the coach, he supposed choose who he see fit. No argument there.

However, in Birchall's case especially, I just not convinced that his omission is purely objective. Corneal has gone on record as saying he doh rate Birchall, and doh think he good enough to make the side. Next ting we see they calling up players who not only have no international experience, they barely making a sniff at their club sides. Birchall is young (24yrs old), relatively experienced, and brings something to the midfield that none of our other midfielders brings at the moment. The fact that he not even getting a chance to try out for the squad just reeking of Corneal bias.
Title: Re: LASH DEM LASANA!!!
Post by: doc on June 05, 2008, 12:22:01 PM
Bake: 

You making some valid points, however, I believe all the other stuff is buffer for the real opinion which is the selection process.

It is not today that the Corneals are doing this.  Go back to when Alvin was coaching.  If I am correct at the time Anton was the youngest player to ever where T&T senior national team colors (I am sure someone can confirm this).  As a player growing up in T&T, I had the opportunity to play for Alcons but my parents would never let me do so b/c of the bias nature in which the Corneals operate.  This is not new and I applaud Lasana for calling a spade a spade.

Yeah Arima...I agree that that is the main thrust of his argument, I just find some of the other stuff trivial and really just serving to detract from that main point. 

Part of me also feel that people going overboard in their criticisms of Maturana...little nonsense like him not speaking as much English as they like and having Anton be his translator...or the fact that he played a player whose name wasn't originally in the pool...and all this other nonsense.  Any number of these occurrences could reasonably be explained away, but because of the level of distrust we have for the TTFF (and that some have for the Corneals themselves- not saying anything of you, I remember your story well)...that translates into incessant nit-picking and second-guessing of Maturana, despite the fact that we can see improvements in the team under him.

To me that should be the bottom line.
I guessed you weren't around when St Clair played Yorke vs Northern Ireland 4 years ago. His status then was the same as it is now :devil:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: elan on June 05, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
I for one don't believe that Maturana owes an explanation of his selection criteria. As we all know talent is a dime a dozen in T&T, but those of us who have been involved with soccer for some time also know that there are other factors apart from skill that determines success. 

As much as I admire Lisana - he does sound like a Monday morning quarterback in this article. Maturana's commitment to local players for this campaign is something I embrace. I am confident that if he is to depend on the foreign based we will not qualify. Let's not forget that we scrape through to the last WC even with our best, and the main reason (in my opinion) was that Beenie did not have quality access to our best.

Maturana has enough time to shape and educate the home based, and get them pass our early qualifiers. As much as we can argue that England did not put pressure on our lads, I saw enough from this new crop to take some of the worry away.

With that said, the TTFF now need to schedule friendlies against quality opponents if this is to work. Friendlies against lowly Concacaf teams will give us the win, but not improve this young inexperienced team.

The argument that the Corneals have an influence in the selection process is without significant merit, simply because we all know that these gentlemen understand talent - the Cornell kid is no Samuel, but he didn't look too bad. Cupid seemed nervous in his start, but I am willing to accept his nervousness - all things considered (he does have a quick turn, a quality necessary to good recovery).

Remember that our pool of quality experienced foreign players have dwindled significantly - Most of the players who featured in the last WC are (in my opinion) too old, and may not be as motivated. To get into to the WC we need highly motivated players.

However, I also would like to see Birchall, Samuel and Spann on the current team. I have no loyalty to our past defenders, especially those without speed. Just my take.




How is that going to happen? When top teams see that mess we play on Sunday you think they will answer when we come calling? Men talking about the football we play, what football? We had no true plan as to what we really wanted to do. I think the only thing that all the players may have agreed on was trying to not hit it long from the back. What football? Almost all the ball the forwards recieved were in the mid 1/3 of the field and then nothing after that. How many combinations did we play in the attacking 1/3? How many quality cosses did we create?

I don't know but I guess I see things way different from others. Look at the difference in technique when Yorke pass the ball to when the other guys pass the ball. Look at the ball itself in transition from one player to the other and the manner in which the move. The only positives are the ones we have to look for, which I guess is all we can do.

Say what, if you all happy with that then nothing is wrong
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 05, 2008, 12:48:15 PM
I remember when I first heard that Beenie was working with the team - I was excited and prepared to give him and his staff my full support. I never critized his selections etc, but my excitment turned to vexation after he and his staff began to dog the locals and the PFL.

Like many, I saw their comments as counter-productive especially at a time when we needed to build unity within the football fraternity. History has shown that a WC campaign is a national pride thing and even when the odds are against you on the field, everything must be done to bring the stakeholders (including fans) together. Beenie and his staff seemed hell bend on dividing.

Maturana has given me hope, by his actions he is letting the local youth baller believe that they have a shot, and that someone besides our local coaches believe in them. Our future on the World Stage is dependent on the locals and the PFL.

I am a music business professional, and those who have ever played on a panorama stage will tell you that although during the performance most will pay attention to the tenors, however it is the background music (supporting casts - guitars, basses etc) that drives the music and gives it its soul. Our home based are the supporting casts and must be the soul of our future campaigns.

Maturana has my support

Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Arimaman on June 05, 2008, 01:39:16 PM
Fellas:

Let we get realistic nah.  We cannot, I repeat cannot get to a WC with the majority of our players as local based.  I agree with the development factor, but if we take that route it would be 2014 we shooting for.  By the way, if the locals that good, they go head overseas real soon and then what?

Fact is, I have no real major problem with Maturana.  Realistically, he has been on the job for a few months and I am sure he is still getting acquainted to the sqad.  Let we give the man ah lil space, let him do he wok and see what happens.  The man has a pedigree, at least the powers that be put him there, I cool with that. 
My only concern is the influence of them damn Corneals and them....
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: trinikev on June 05, 2008, 01:40:44 PM
Fellas:

Let we get realistic nah.  We cannot, I repeat cannot get to a WC with the majority of our players as local based.  I agree with the development factor, but if we take that route it would be 2014 we shooting for.  By the way, if the locals that good, they go head overseas real soon and then what?

Fact is, I have no real major problem with Maturana.  Realistically, he has been on the job for a few months and I am sure he is still getting acquainted to the sqad.  Let we give the man ah lil space, let him do he wok and see what happens.  The man has a pedigree, at least the powers that be put him there, I cool with that. 
My only concern is the influence of them damn Corneals and them....


That is my whole issue rite dere
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 05, 2008, 01:47:13 PM
I for one don't believe that Maturana owes an explanation of his selection criteria. As we all know talent is a dime a dozen in T&T, but those of us who have been involved with soccer for some time also know that there are other factors apart from skill that determines success. 

As much as I admire Lisana - he does sound like a Monday morning quarterback in this article. Maturana's commitment to local players for this campaign is something I embrace. I am confident that if he is to depend on the foreign based we will not qualify. Let's not forget that we scrape through to the last WC even with our best, and the main reason (in my opinion) was that Beenie did not have quality access to our best.

Maturana has enough time to shape and educate the home based, and get them pass our early qualifiers. As much as we can argue that England did not put pressure on our lads, I saw enough from this new crop to take some of the worry away.

With that said, the TTFF now need to schedule friendlies against quality opponents if this is to work. Friendlies against lowly Concacaf teams will give us the win, but not improve this young inexperienced team.

The argument that the Corneals have an influence in the selection process is without significant merit, simply because we all know that these gentlemen understand talent - the Cornell kid is no Samuel, but he didn't look too bad. Cupid seemed nervous in his start, but I am willing to accept his nervousness - all things considered (he does have a quick turn, a quality necessary to good recovery).

Remember that our pool of quality experienced foreign players have dwindled significantly - Most of the players who featured in the last WC are (in my opinion) too old, and may not be as motivated. To get into to the WC we need highly motivated players.

However, I also would like to see Birchall, Samuel and Spann on the current team. I have no loyalty to our past defenders, especially those without speed. Just my take.




How is that going to happen? When top teams see that mess we play on Sunday you think they will answer when we come calling? Men talking about the football we play, what football? We had no true plan as to what we really wanted to do. I think the only thing that all the players may have agreed on was trying to not hit it long from the back. What football? Almost all the ball the forwards recieved were in the mid 1/3 of the field and then nothing after that. How many combinations did we play in the attacking 1/3? How many quality cosses did we create?

I don't know but I guess I see things way different from others. Look at the difference in technique when Yorke pass the ball to when the other guys pass the ball. Look at the ball itself in transition from one player to the other and the manner in which the move. The only positives are the ones we have to look for, which I guess is all we can do.

Say what, if you all happy with that then nothing is wrong

Elan, your assessment of the game is correct. However, we should both agree that this is a team of inexperienced youths, and they must be given the opportunity to prove their worth. We also have to agree that as a footballing nation we must move forward and it begins with the unproven. Remember all our stars had suspicous beginnings.

As regards your question - we may not get Italy and France to come play us, but I believe that teams like Norway, Eygpt, Turkey, Ghana, Nigeria even Columbia will come if Jack ask (he does have some use  ;D).

Let's ask ourselves this - why is Kenwayne so good - is it because he is coached by Keane, or that he plays against quality competition every Saturday? Let's not also forget that most T&T pro ballers were signed from their clubs in T&T - we must be doing something right back home.

Elan, after reading your posts over the months it's clear that you understand the nuances of this game, but your current pessimism is troubling. Could it be that you expected too much from the Lads?
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: rippin on June 05, 2008, 02:20:01 PM
I for one think that some of the problems with the defense and midfield is Dejavu. Beenie came in and had the same problems with Cyd and company and with the midfield and over time it was sorted out.  I like the fact that we trying to groom players who comfortable with the ball at they feet. I also like that we are maintaining possession more than what was evident in previous tournaments under Wim.

What I don't like is that we have a one prong approach to exposing players i.e. the senior national team.
What happen to the youth squads? Some of the drills that I have seen being run in practice to me do not seem suitable for a senior team. Also with the ball we playing now no decent team will want to play us.

There are players in the PFL who are performing now and not getting picked on merit but getting left out because of others potential. Those with potential need to take that potential and turn it into merit. Our approach toward player exposure should be at least three prong. Senior, U23 and U20. At the senior level the overseas should be invited to mix wiht the locals so that experience can be passed on.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: samo on June 05, 2008, 02:58:46 PM
Quote
Let's ask ourselves this - why is Kenwayne so good - is it because he is coached by Keane, or that he plays against quality competition every Saturday? Let's not also forget that most T&T pro ballers were signed from their clubs in T&T - we must be doing something right back home.

How many of these players who play abroad, walk onto a team and start....
Look at Carlos, he started way down and over the years has justified his move to the prem...
That said... I do not have any beef with Pacho... The only question I have is his selection process... The little he has stated in the past regarding selection appears to contradict his actual process...
I have no probs giving youths a chance, but we playing England, more eyes are on us as a nation,and we put a team with relatively no experience ????? Then we will argue, how come we only getting games against teams that are so low down on de scale.... If you were Brazil, Italy or any  top 20 team, would you waste your time on a friendly that have no benefits to your team.... The youths have to consistently prove themselves against lower opposition before they get chance against the far and few better opponents..
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: elan on June 05, 2008, 04:16:20 PM
I for one don't believe that Maturana owes an explanation of his selection criteria. As we all know talent is a dime a dozen in T&T, but those of us who have been involved with soccer for some time also know that there are other factors apart from skill that determines success. 

As much as I admire Lisana - he does sound like a Monday morning quarterback in this article. Maturana's commitment to local players for this campaign is something I embrace. I am confident that if he is to depend on the foreign based we will not qualify. Let's not forget that we scrape through to the last WC even with our best, and the main reason (in my opinion) was that Beenie did not have quality access to our best.

Maturana has enough time to shape and educate the home based, and get them pass our early qualifiers. As much as we can argue that England did not put pressure on our lads, I saw enough from this new crop to take some of the worry away.

With that said, the TTFF now need to schedule friendlies against quality opponents if this is to work. Friendlies against lowly Concacaf teams will give us the win, but not improve this young inexperienced team.

The argument that the Corneals have an influence in the selection process is without significant merit, simply because we all know that these gentlemen understand talent - the Cornell kid is no Samuel, but he didn't look too bad. Cupid seemed nervous in his start, but I am willing to accept his nervousness - all things considered (he does have a quick turn, a quality necessary to good recovery).

Remember that our pool of quality experienced foreign players have dwindled significantly - Most of the players who featured in the last WC are (in my opinion) too old, and may not be as motivated. To get into to the WC we need highly motivated players.

However, I also would like to see Birchall, Samuel and Spann on the current team. I have no loyalty to our past defenders, especially those without speed. Just my take.




How is that going to happen? When top teams see that mess we play on Sunday you think they will answer when we come calling? Men talking about the football we play, what football? We had no true plan as to what we really wanted to do. I think the only thing that all the players may have agreed on was trying to not hit it long from the back. What football? Almost all the ball the forwards recieved were in the mid 1/3 of the field and then nothing after that. How many combinations did we play in the attacking 1/3? How many quality cosses did we create?

I don't know but I guess I see things way different from others. Look at the difference in technique when Yorke pass the ball to when the other guys pass the ball. Look at the ball itself in transition from one player to the other and the manner in which the move. The only positives are the ones we have to look for, which I guess is all we can do.

Say what, if you all happy with that then nothing is wrong

Elan, your assessment of the game is correct. However, we should both agree that this is a team of inexperienced youths, and they must be given the opportunity to prove their worth. We also have to agree that as a footballing nation we must move forward and it begins with the unproven. Remember all our stars had suspicous beginnings.

As regards your question - we may not get Italy and France to come play us, but I believe that teams like Norway, Eygpt, Turkey, Ghana, Nigeria even Columbia will come if Jack ask (he does have some use  ;D).

Let's ask ourselves this - why is Kenwayne so good - is it because he is coached by Keane, or that he plays against quality competition every Saturday? Let's not also forget that most T&T pro ballers were signed from their clubs in T&T - we must be doing something right back home.

Elan, after reading your posts over the months it's clear that you understand the nuances of this game, but your current pessimism is troubling. Could it be that you expected too much from the Lads?

I don't think that I am pessimistic, probably expect to much. I just can't understand why we teaching players things they should have already learnt prior to the national team.  The national team should be an elite group, as it stands it is not. I am sorry if I come off as damning of the team as I am one of the biggest supporter. I just cannot support mediocrity.
Like Hyland I saw the kid on Ash Wednesday, and it is clear he has the potential, but we bigging him up like he reach. He has a lot of work to do. Saying this does not mean he's not good, just their is work to be done.

 ;D
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
2014 dat way d team of 2006 will b well dead and bury dat is d plan
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: dreamer on June 05, 2008, 07:31:00 PM
I ent see much difference between Maturana and Wim

Maturana does try to go tru the center...ball lorse.

Wim used to try the flank...ball lorse...men cyar cross.

Same knock the ball in the back, same lack of bite in the middle, same cluelessness and hit and hope up front. Backs and fwd game with no midfield.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

I will give Maturana all props for gettin rid of Seon Power and Dwayne Jack.

Funny how Telesford look decent vs England and vs JA the commentators and myself find he was running around wild and clueless.





1. Dwayne Jack ..... was real real worries. No disrespeck young Warrior. Yuh tried yuh best
2. Seon Power. Liabilities yes, but de wildness is actually welcome now in de context of Cyd Gray's "banishment" and Cupid's apparent sorfiness at this time
3. Telesford, being played out of the usual role, to make up for the absence of Birchall and the vocal Sancho leadership role in de back and also because of the lack of fight in de the back of the midfield. Telesford seems vital for the future. Telesford, like Sancho is comfy with the ball at his feet too.
4. England attack means penetration through the wings. We have to have our A game with the BEST wingers at times like this. Shore up the wing backs and put some umpf in the defensive mid and stoppers, then we good to go.


In terms of who is de Warrior chief.... Hmm. Look! ...  >:(

Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: JDB on June 05, 2008, 07:40:13 PM
Lasana is right to compare the two teams because their respective performances says everything about our programme 2 years after making a WC. It is not an attack on Maturana or the players who are trying their best.

Saying that the players are younger and playing together for less time than the WC side is missing the point that it did not have to be this way.

Is only people on this message board that believe that Maturana was a new broom to sweep away the mess and take us to the WC. Why? Because he play a SSFL player against Jamaica and he ent tell Jack that the players not ready.

Both of them was hired to take us to a WC, Wim agitate to get the best players for the task because he believed that was the only way we going forward (you know using our most experienced players, kinda like how we make it top Germany).

At least Maturana getting he money. He could afford to sit down and do what Jack and Corneal tell him.


2014 dat way d team of 2006 will b well dead and bury dat is d plan

I say that long time and men call me a weak heart. Mind you in the l;ast hex I buy my ticket when we was bottom of the group and was miles from qualifying.

It is nothing against Wim, maturana or the players it is just that lightning doesn't strike twice and you could underperform for only so long before you have to pay the consequences.

We make Germany by the skin of we teeth, playing against an Asian team, with Don Leo, and with experienced players like Latas, Yorke, Kelvin, Dog, Stern giving everything. Now we supposed to make it with a U-23 team?

Concacaf gone backwards in the last 4 years. Yuh don't think JA, Guatemale and Panama will see us coming from a mile off this rounds. CR, Mexico or the US get beatable or we going and beat a South American team in a playoff?

If we had built on the WC success we would have had a fighting chance. Even though Jack pull a surprise by getting a coach with Maturana's profile and experience taking us to the WC after the worst two years in our football's history is one magic trick too much.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2008, 08:26:06 PM
JDB preach on brudder
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: elan on June 06, 2008, 12:16:39 PM
Alright guys saw the first half.

Whitley is the boss, best player on the field. He attacked, defended, marshalled the troops (as much as he could), held the ball well and made good passing decisions. Big game for him.

Okay I know this may be a dead issue but, no way Hyland was outstanding. No hustle, very poor work rate, can't remember him putting in a tackle, only played forward did no defending, made alot of mistakes with his passes. The spanner was a half of spanner. That alone cannot give him a great game. If Whitley is doing the defensive duties, then more have to be done by Hyland in going forward. He has to become more involved and demanding if he is to become the "big player" that so many of us has already bestowed on him.

Come on guys lets be real. We punish the Jamaicans and US players, but turn around and big up we average players, can't happen.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 06, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Once dey in d PFL we are expected 2 say dey great. However, once dey get sign we have 2 back d next set of locals. Somebody explain it 4 me I cyah get it
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Sam on June 06, 2008, 07:02:53 PM
Lasana Liburd, is a feature reporter for the Sunday Express newspaper, Trinidad and Tobago. A St Mary's College and Arima Senior Comprehensive alumni, Liburd entered the field of journalism into 1995 at the Trinidad Guardian newspaper after a stint as an English language English literature teacher in Elizabeths College Tobago.

After working on the news and sports desk there, he moved to the more high-profiled Trinidad Express in 1997 where he as covered everything from sport to crime and politics. His achievements at the Guardian include being awarded Best Sport Story for 1996 for an overview of Trinidad and Tobagos failed world cup football qualifying campaign.

As a sports writer, Liburd has since spread his wings and now also pens for the BWIA Caribbean Magazine and Internet sports news agency Soccer Age among other publications. He is also the holder of a Commonwealth Press Un certificate having successfully completed a course in: Investigation reporting in the Caribbean; Protecting the Vulnerability of small island States.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: palos on June 06, 2008, 07:29:22 PM
2014 dat way d team of 2006 will b well dead and bury dat is d plan

I say that long time and men call me a weak heart. Mind you in the l;ast hex I buy my ticket when we was bottom of the group and was miles from qualifying.

It is nothing against Wim, maturana or the players it is just that lightning doesn't strike twice and you could underperform for only so long before you have to pay the consequences.

We make Germany by the skin of we teeth, playing against an Asian team, with Don Leo, and with experienced players like Latas, Yorke, Kelvin, Dog, Stern giving everything. Now we supposed to make it with a U-23 team?

Concacaf gone backwards in the last 4 years. Yuh don't think JA, Guatemale and Panama will see us coming from a mile off this rounds. CR, Mexico or the US get beatable or we going and beat a South American team in a playoff?

If we had built on the WC success we would have had a fighting chance. Even though Jack pull a surprise by getting a coach with Maturana's profile and experience taking us to the WC after the worst two years in our football's history is one magic trick too much.

If allyuh want to pretend dat somehow TTFF "have a plan" and intentionally scrap de 2006 team to build fuh 2014, ah have a igloo in de sahara desert to sell allyuh.

TTFF cyah even plan a sex in a ho house, dem go have dah kinda foresight?

Steuupppessss

From de time dem fellas play "ting" and sue Jack, dere went de 2006 team.  Wha happen after dat is men fightin to establish dem agenda as yuh could see wit a DIV 2 US College defender bein we startin left back against England.

Dah whole...blow up de team to build fuh 2014 is jes as believable as Manning Vision 2020 scheme.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: D.H.W on June 06, 2008, 08:41:09 PM
2014 dat way d team of 2006 will b well dead and bury dat is d plan

I say that long time and men call me a weak heart. Mind you in the l;ast hex I buy my ticket when we was bottom of the group and was miles from qualifying.

It is nothing against Wim, maturana or the players it is just that lightning doesn't strike twice and you could underperform for only so long before you have to pay the consequences.

We make Germany by the skin of we teeth, playing against an Asian team, with Don Leo, and with experienced players like Latas, Yorke, Kelvin, Dog, Stern giving everything. Now we supposed to make it with a U-23 team?

Concacaf gone backwards in the last 4 years. Yuh don't think JA, Guatemale and Panama will see us coming from a mile off this rounds. CR, Mexico or the US get beatable or we going and beat a South American team in a playoff?

If we had built on the WC success we would have had a fighting chance. Even though Jack pull a surprise by getting a coach with Maturana's profile and experience taking us to the WC after the worst two years in our football's history is one magic trick too much.


TTFF cyah even plan a sex in a ho house, dem go have dah kinda foresight?



dias a classic right there  :devil:  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: lol
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 07, 2008, 05:49:10 AM
Who say memorable quote..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh lord Palos yuh make mih morning.....ah gone wid dat one... :rotfl:
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on June 07, 2008, 04:08:31 PM
Yes Palos dey cyah do what u say so y dey eh plan it but dat is d reality by goin wit d green horns dey sayin 2014 whether dat is what dey plan 2 say
Title: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: E-man on June 16, 2008, 10:08:42 PM
Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
By: Andre Baptiste (AndreBaptiste.com)


When people hear of Bermuda, everyone thinks about –Bermuda shorts-

Many Trinidad and Tobago citizens actually wear these shorts regularly.

On Sunday (14th June), A Bermudan national football team made all of Trinidad and Tobago “wear’ red on their faces from embarrassment, shock and dismay, following a 2-1 defeat.

Add in a few tears for the four children, I saw sobbing uncontrollably at the Marvin Lee Stadium and you know just what “Football” means.

Trinidad and Tobago clearly did not do their homework.

Khano Smith from the Major League Soccer in the United States terrorized our defenders, with his measured control and talented left boot.  His running at defenders left his opposite number Kareem Smith, a mere admirer, when his deft cross found an unmarked John Barry Nusum.

Perhaps though the deciding point in this match, was made off the field, and no it was not the posturing of the Minister of Sports and Youth Affairs- Gary Hunt -or that of the special advisor to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation -Austin Jack Warner -and their (yes, both of them) “petty” antics, as it relates to Stadiums, costs, advertising and freeness.  Neither man has any authority on all these matters to make them on their own, without thinking about the people of this Country.  Jack Warner though has experience and knowledge on his side and should not allow Hunt, to draw him out so much.

The real problem was the decision to play a formation of 3-5-2. A system our team will clearly not be comfortable with.  Against Jamaica we used 4-4-2, against England, we used 4-4-2.  So was it that the technical Team, led by the non English speaking coach.

Fransisco Maturana devised this “bright” plan on their own.

It was a disaster.

A lot of this Team, seem disinterested in the game, it was as if they believed, they should not have been on the same field with the team from Bermuda.

How wrong they were? How wrong indeed?

The nippy winger Damon Ming, was also having his way with 33 year old Dennis Lawrence, who looked out of sorts.

In fact apart from a brief spell of energy from Carlos Edwards, it was a woeful performance from all bar possibly – Goalkeeper Clayton Ince-.

Stern John was his usual errant self with more misses than hits on targets.

So what made Maturana do this madness, did he make this decision on his own, or was he aided by Anton Corneal, the assistant coach?

 In fact, the elder Corneal (Alvin) was on a technical FIFA committee with Maturana some years ago.

Also during the game with our team 2-1 down at half time, Maturana correctly introduced Ancil Farrier to stop the hemorrhaging, but unwisely substituted Khaleem Hyland instead of the hapless Keon Daniel.

Another, glaring error by the Colombian. Is there smoke in his eyes?

Maturana also demonstrated his lack of vision in utilizing only two (2) of his three (3) available substitutes.

Bermuda’s less experienced and much cheaper coach Kenneth Thompson utilizes all three of his substitutes.

 Is he saying or sending a signal that his bench is so bad, so poor, what does that say of the future of Daryl Roberts?

It is clear now in my mind, win (by the required 2 goals on Sunday 22nd) or lose, that Fransisco Maturana is not the “man” for us. This country deserves more.

Any talk of Chemistry among the team is a significant disclosure that everything is not okay in the camp.

Sometimes, too many cooks block

He is not able to inspire these players and maybe it is time to revised the Blacklisted players and swallow your pride, Jack and ask them to come back.  It may be too late…………

However if there is no Blacklist , and the coach Maturana can pick any player , he wants , that is a faster reason to have this man out of here, because, he has not selected our best team.

But Maturana should go, should go and never come back.

Faith  alone will not help us in the future , it may on Sunday coming , but that is short term thinking .

So Maturana Please Go and take some with you!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 16, 2008, 10:13:39 PM
D fearless 1 I luv d part bout d non existant blacklist
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: truetrini on June 17, 2008, 02:10:55 AM
I agree Maturana have to go!

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: SUPA on June 17, 2008, 04:27:01 AM
I agree Maturana have to go!



I  truly understand your frustration Fish, but I think Maturana is good enough tuh make us qualify doh. He definitely is not a Beenie, but I think he have de football knowledge to get us there. Look at dis, If you doubt meh, look at de amount of goals meh boi Stern throw away may be other players also, dat said one great thing, dat the team is playing some attacking football and getting some open looks at goal. From what I read de defence didn't do 2 bad either, de second goal was an unfortunate situation for us. I know dat there are coaches out there looking for a job, dat have a better resume and success at the top level dan Maturana. However, we just need to rally around de team people, forget about de like Jack and doh like jack thing, dat will not help de team right now. Leave dem thing for another time, doh matter what we say at dis time, Mr. Warner and Mr. Maturana will still be de bosses on Sunday.Remember Sunday 15th June 2008, dat date and game is gone, I'm upset and disappointed like you all, but let us just pray, support de coach, his staff and de entire team, de fighting down of de staff and de team will not help dem on Sunday at all. Bless.  HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Estelle on June 17, 2008, 04:47:04 AM
No.  He gotta go - an' fas!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Jah Gol on June 17, 2008, 04:47:12 AM
I agree Maturana have to go!



I  truly understand your frustration Fish, but I think Maturana is good enough tuh make us qualify doh. He definitely is not a Beenie, but I think he have de football knowledge to get us there. Look at dis, If you doubt meh, look at de amount of goals meh boi Stern throw away may be other players also, dat said one great thing, dat the team is playing some attacking football and getting some open looks at goal. From what I read de defence didn't do 2 bad either, de second goal was an unfortunate situation for us. I know dat there are coaches out there looking for a job, dat have a better resume and success at the top level dan Maturana. However, we just need to rally around de team people, forget about de like Jack and doh like jack thing, dat will not help de team right now. Leave dem thing for another time, doh matter what we say at dis time, Mr. Warner and Mr. Maturana will still be de bosses on Sunday.Remember Sunday 15th June 2008, dat date and game is gone, I'm upset and disappointed like you all, but let us just pray, support de coach, his staff and de entire team, de fighting down of de staff and de team will not help dem on Sunday at all. Bless.  HIGHLY BLESSED.
Nah SUPA if you'd seen the game the gaping holes in the midfield the questionable player selection and the tactical blunders were so evident you would definitely change your mind about Matu's ability as a coach. He got beaten tactically by Bermuda. That is enough to tell me he isn't ready. 
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 17, 2008, 04:47:49 AM
I agree Maturana have to go!



I  truly understand your frustration Fish, but I think Maturana is good enough tuh make us qualify doh. He definitely is not a Beenie, but I think he have de football knowledge to get us there. Look at dis, If you doubt meh, look at de amount of goals meh boi Stern throw away may be other players also, dat said one great thing, dat the team is playing some attacking football and getting some open looks at goal. From what I read de defence didn't do 2 bad either, de second goal was an unfortunate situation for us. I know dat there are coaches out there looking for a job, dat have a better resume and success at the top level dan Maturana. However, we just need to rally around de team people, forget about de like Jack and doh like jack thing, dat will not help de team right now. Leave dem thing for another time, doh matter what we say at dis time, Mr. Warner and Mr. Maturana will still be de bosses on Sunday.Remember Sunday 15th June 2008, dat date and game is gone, I'm upset and disappointed like you all, but let us just pray, support de coach, his staff and de entire team, de fighting down of de staff and de team will not help dem on Sunday at all. Bless.  HIGHLY BLESSED.

NAH!!..

Leh Pacho go he way,and let Jack Haul he mudda asss
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: kiffysmooth on June 17, 2008, 06:28:13 AM
No.  He gotta go - an' fas!
Chunks....give de man ah chance nah jed
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 17, 2008, 06:39:13 AM
Great Article...Spot on except the part about K.Daniel... he should have taken off K.Smith instead and put Telesford RB and leave Danny on the LW  we would have been more potent as K.Smith is a shithong..as well as A.Farrier.. if you see how many times dem send dat ball tru de left side de right side even tru him.. Makan is a next goat no1 taking on... I watchover that goal and 2 in the England game .. He cannot read danger like how Sancho and Andrews do.. But he is Pacho boy..so as long as the puppet dere.. Makan dere..
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: D.H.W on June 17, 2008, 06:51:35 AM
fack Pacho
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2008, 07:25:00 AM
Great Article...Spot on except the part about K.Daniel... he should have taken off K.Smith instead and put Telesford RB and leave Danny on the LW  we would have been more potent as K.Smith is a shithong..as well as A.Farrier.. if you see how many times dem send dat ball tru de left side de right side even tru him.. Makan is a next goat no1 taking on... I watchover that goal and 2 in the England game .. He cannot read danger like how Sancho and Andrews do.. But he is Pacho boy..so as long as the puppet dere.. Makan dere..

No blame for the player who squandered chance upon chance in front of goal?



We passing de buck but not de peso... hmmmn. 
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 17, 2008, 07:37:09 AM
Great Article...Spot on except the part about K.Daniel... he should have taken off K.Smith instead and put Telesford RB and leave Danny on the LW  we would have been more potent as K.Smith is a shithong..as well as A.Farrier.. if you see how many times dem send dat ball tru de left side de right side even tru him.. Makan is a next goat no1 taking on... I watchover that goal and 2 in the England game .. He cannot read danger like how Sancho and Andrews do.. But he is Pacho boy..so as long as the puppet dere.. Makan dere..

No blame for the player who squandered chance upon chance in front of goal?



We passing de buck but not de peso... hmmmn. 

Yes Stern had a bad day..yet he scored.. But 9/10 times he would have taken 1 of the 2 clear cut chances.. but Everyone had a bad day at the office...it was just one of those days

Also.. Stern had lets say 4 good chances..scored 1..   Scotty 1 chance..0 goals...
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2008, 07:52:23 AM
Great Article...Spot on except the part about K.Daniel... he should have taken off K.Smith instead and put Telesford RB and leave Danny on the LW  we would have been more potent as K.Smith is a shithong..as well as A.Farrier.. if you see how many times dem send dat ball tru de left side de right side even tru him.. Makan is a next goat no1 taking on... I watchover that goal and 2 in the England game .. He cannot read danger like how Sancho and Andrews do.. But he is Pacho boy..so as long as the puppet dere.. Makan dere..

No blame for the player who squandered chance upon chance in front of goal?



We passing de buck but not de peso... hmmmn. 

Yes Stern had a bad day..yet he scored.. But 9/10 times he would have taken 1 of the 2 clear cut chances.. but Everyone had a bad day at the office...it was just one of those days

Also.. Stern had lets say 4 good chances..scored 1..   Scotty 1 chance..0 goals...

Indeed...everyone had a bad day at the office, and if Stern had scored two we hardly woulda be calling for Maturana head.  I say that to remind folks to keep things in perspective... no matter what the tactic or what the strategy it comes down to the players on the field.  If you don't put them in position to make plays then yes, you deserve blame.  If you put them in position to make plays and they fail then that is hardly your fault (as coach) now is it?
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 17, 2008, 08:05:43 AM
Great Article...Spot on except the part about K.Daniel... he should have taken off K.Smith instead and put Telesford RB and leave Danny on the LW  we would have been more potent as K.Smith is a shithong..as well as A.Farrier.. if you see how many times dem send dat ball tru de left side de right side even tru him.. Makan is a next goat no1 taking on... I watchover that goal and 2 in the England game .. He cannot read danger like how Sancho and Andrews do.. But he is Pacho boy..so as long as the puppet dere.. Makan dere..

No blame for the player who squandered chance upon chance in front of goal?



We passing de buck but not de peso... hmmmn. 

Yes Stern had a bad day..yet he scored.. But 9/10 times he would have taken 1 of the 2 clear cut chances.. but Everyone had a bad day at the office...it was just one of those days

Also.. Stern had lets say 4 good chances..scored 1..   Scotty 1 chance..0 goals...

Indeed...everyone had a bad day at the office, and if Stern had scored two we hardly woulda be calling for Maturana head.  I say that to remind folks to keep things in perspective... no matter what the tactic or what the strategy it comes down to the players on the field.  If you don't put them in position to make plays then yes, you deserve blame.  If you put them in position to make plays and they fail then that is hardly your fault (as coach) now is it?
What if they only get into position by chance? Or by the inferiority of the other team?
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2008, 08:13:49 AM

What if they only get into position by chance? Or by the inferiority of the other team?

Breds I really eh up fuh de hypotheticals dis morning nuh... my point is that everyone bawling fire Pacho as though that will solve anything.  Yuh could bring in Mourinho or Big Phil or any other big name coach tomorrow.  Bottom line is if de foreign-based pro's too big to kick ball with the local-based, or man is too much ah starboy tuh track back and fight fuh ball... if defenders cyah defend and forwards spooning chances over de bar... if all de free kick ending up by de fat man in de fourth row bleachers... den it really ent matter who it have on de sidelines twisting in Jack wind.

There's more than enough blame to be passed around and shared by all...from administration to technical staff to players.  Our problems go way beyond the coaching.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: superoli on June 17, 2008, 08:17:24 AM
maybe the players wearing black in their own way ?

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 17, 2008, 08:18:14 AM
D man only loose 2 games and 1 was a fete match he should stay
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 17, 2008, 08:20:37 AM

What if they only get into position by chance? Or by the inferiority of the other team?

Breds I really eh up fuh de hypotheticals dis morning nuh... my point is that everyone bawling fire Pacho as though that will solve anything.  Yuh could bring in Mourinho or Big Phil or any other big name coach tomorrow.  Bottom line is if de foreign-based pro's too big to kick ball with the local-based, or man is too much ah starboy tuh track back and fight fuh ball... if defenders cyah defend and forwards spooning chances over de bar... if all de free kick ending up by de fat man in de fourth row bleachers... den it really ent matter who it have on de sidelines twisting in Jack wind.

There's more than enough blame to be passed around and shared by all...from administration to technical staff to players.  Our problems go way beyond the coaching.
I think team morale is low. And I think it's directly tied to the (non-)selection process. Getting rid of Maturana won't solve it, but he have to take some grief for cooperating with it.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: ttcom on June 17, 2008, 08:35:31 AM
I guess is the coach fault the that Trinidad and Tobago all time scorer miss about 10 chances against a team that is ranked 300 out of 203 in FIFA . :angel: Cut the shit now big people. Until TT football player learn to be consistant, they have more embarrassment to get.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: supporter on June 17, 2008, 09:14:18 AM
Corneal to go with him!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: jaden on June 17, 2008, 10:49:39 AM
we want beenie
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: FATZ on June 17, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
Look back at the England game and examine Carlos Edwards' play, he was refusing to even throw the ball to the local defender Cupid, yes he had a bad game but the man free as a bird and Carlos still forcing the throw inside to Stern and we losing the ball. Also Carlos should have been helping Cupid defend against Barry and Downing i think because that's what a midfielder is supposed to do but where was he?? I think there's something definitely up in our team judging by the attitude we are seeing from some players towards each other.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 17, 2008, 12:05:08 PM
Yep is a we and dem but me eh feel Carlos should b d  man since he eh side wit d lawsuit so he in my doghouse because of dat. All he has 2 do is retire 4 good dis time doh be on d field and eh give yuh all dat is real nonesense
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2008, 12:35:40 PM

What if they only get into position by chance? Or by the inferiority of the other team?

Breds I really eh up fuh de hypotheticals dis morning nuh... my point is that everyone bawling fire Pacho as though that will solve anything.  Yuh could bring in Mourinho or Big Phil or any other big name coach tomorrow.  Bottom line is if de foreign-based pro's too big to kick ball with the local-based, or man is too much ah starboy tuh track back and fight fuh ball... if defenders cyah defend and forwards spooning chances over de bar... if all de free kick ending up by de fat man in de fourth row bleachers... den it really ent matter who it have on de sidelines twisting in Jack wind.

There's more than enough blame to be passed around and shared by all...from administration to technical staff to players.  Our problems go way beyond the coaching.
I think team morale is low. And I think it's directly tied to the (non-)selection process. Getting rid of Maturana won't solve it, but he have to take some grief for cooperating with it.

Yuh ent getting no argument from me on dat one... for whatever the reason the lack of cohesiveness is present and it's being borne out on the field.  That said, the tactical efffort on the sidelines is also open to questioning...so yeah, as much as I've been preaching patience with Maturana, clearly he has to share in the blame.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: MEP on June 17, 2008, 12:41:36 PM
While Maturana has to bear some of the blame because he is the Head Coach most of it has to go with Corneal and Lincoln Phillips as they have been the two constants. They are the ones who have brought these new players into the fold.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 17, 2008, 12:50:09 PM
MEP  d man say he c tapes so me eh buyin dat he is part of d problem he needs some testicular fortitude or go back 2 pullin teeth
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: asylumseeker on June 17, 2008, 01:00:03 PM
Quote
The real problem was the decision to play a formation of 3-5-2. A system our team will clearly not be comfortable with.  Against Jamaica we used 4-4-2, against England, we used 4-4-2.  So was it that the technical Team, led by the non English speaking coach.

A 3-5-2 could get the job done any day ... Doh tell meh we can never play a 3-5-2 ... furthermore, teams adjust formation in midstream, even mid-match all the time ... Wha yuh really saying?

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: MEP on June 17, 2008, 01:50:39 PM
MEP  d man say he c tapes so me eh buyin dat he is part of d problem he needs some testicular fortitude or go back 2 pullin teeth

but if we throw him away who then will take over Anton? might as well bring back Gally or Bertille........but is what tapes he see dais de question? but yuh right he does need to tell Anton callate la boca cabron.....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: JDB on June 17, 2008, 01:59:11 PM
With a game to go in a couple days firing Maturana now is a waste of time.

A new coach is not going to have a material impact in one game because it will be the same players, same selection committee and probably still be Anton in the assistant role, if not managing the whole show altogether.

This one has to play itself out.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: truetrini on June 17, 2008, 02:09:55 PM
Lp eh have nutten to do with bringing in players.....nutten

he eh no coach
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: RGarcia on June 17, 2008, 02:22:59 PM
D man only loose 2 games and 1 was a fete match he should stay
He could stay in trinidad but not coaching we team if that's the kinda decisions he decide to make taking out a mid-fielder and putting in a defender when you a goal down... bull that's real bull I tell u!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: truetrini on June 17, 2008, 02:26:47 PM
learn to spell, de man lost  or lose if yuh prefer he eh loose, dat is you!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: JDB on June 17, 2008, 02:27:19 PM
Lp eh have nutten to do with bringing in players.....nutten

he eh no coach

I hope this wasn't directed to my comments.

By "coaching committee" I am referring to Anton (and by extension Alvin) and Maturana exclusively.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: dinho on June 17, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
which cracks these wim lovers was hiding in before now boy?? steups
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: grskywalker on June 17, 2008, 02:31:01 PM
So let me play devil's advocate and suggest and AMERICAN COACH FOR WE SHIT SIDE
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: truetrini on June 17, 2008, 02:40:32 PM
Lp eh have nutten to do with bringing in players.....nutten

he eh no coach

I hope this wasn't directed to my comments.

By "coaching committee" I am referring to Anton (and by extension Alvin) and Maturana exclusively.

NAH IT WAS DIRECTED AT MEP with he shit talk
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: damiangoal on June 17, 2008, 03:12:46 PM
No.  He gotta go - an' fas!
When I said he should go after the England match, people blow me out. Allyuh take that in allyuh garrrr.... :rotfl:
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: SUPA on June 17, 2008, 11:00:50 PM
No.  He gotta go - an' fas!

 :rotfl:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Storeboy on June 17, 2008, 11:24:49 PM
1.  So these professional players ent have enough pride in themselves and their country to show up and play better on game day?

2.  Last WC the local and foreign players gel and play together well because there was on field leadership and coaching genius.  Does it really exist on this team?

3.  Any observer watching the selection and tactics have to wonder what ability Maturana have or is he a puppet for other people pulling the strings?

4.  Lincoln Phillips is very silent.  Does he have any role or is he another lap dog?

There is much blame to go around.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: SUPA on June 17, 2008, 11:31:07 PM
I agree Maturana have to go!



I  truly understand your frustration Fish, but I think Maturana is good enough tuh make us qualify doh. He definitely is not a Beenie, but I think he have de football knowledge to get us there. Look at dis, If you doubt meh, look at de amount of goals meh boi Stern throw away may be other players also, dat said one great thing, dat the team is playing some attacking football and getting some open looks at goal. From what I read de defence didn't do 2 bad either, de second goal was an unfortunate situation for us. I know dat there are coaches out there looking for a job, dat have a better resume and success at the top level dan Maturana. However, we just need to rally around de team people, forget about de like Jack and doh like jack thing, dat will not help de team right now. Leave dem thing for another time, doh matter what we say at dis time, Mr. Warner and Mr. Maturana will still be de bosses on Sunday.Remember Sunday 15th June 2008, dat date and game is gone, I'm upset and disappointed like you all, but let us just pray, support de coach, his staff and de entire team, de fighting down of de staff and de team will not help dem on Sunday at all. Bless.  HIGHLY BLESSED.
Nah SUPA if you'd seen the game the gaping holes in the midfield the questionable player selection and the tactical blunders were so evident you would definitely change your mind about Matu's ability as a coach. He got beaten tactically by Bermuda. That is enough to tell me he isn't ready. 

Well ah have tuh listen tuh most of you all and accept the comments being made. Cuz 2 many people saying de same thing and also some of you all saw de game. I didn't see de game, so I'm only going by de info dat I read on de forum  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: SUPA on June 17, 2008, 11:35:54 PM
I agree Maturana have to go!



I  truly understand your frustration Fish, but I think Maturana is good enough tuh make us qualify doh. He definitely is not a Beenie, but I think he have de football knowledge to get us there. Look at dis, If you doubt meh, look at de amount of goals meh boi Stern throw away may be other players also, dat said one great thing, dat the team is playing some attacking football and getting some open looks at goal. From what I read de defence didn't do 2 bad either, de second goal was an unfortunate situation for us. I know dat there are coaches out there looking for a job, dat have a better resume and success at the top level dan Maturana. However, we just need to rally around de team people, forget about de like Jack and doh like jack thing, dat will not help de team right now. Leave dem thing for another time, doh matter what we say at dis time, Mr. Warner and Mr. Maturana will still be de bosses on Sunday.Remember Sunday 15th June 2008, dat date and game is gone, I'm upset and disappointed like you all, but let us just pray, support de coach, his staff and de entire team, de fighting down of de staff and de team will not help dem on Sunday at all. Bless.  HIGHLY BLESSED.

NAH!!..

Leh Pacho go he way,and let Jack Haul he mudda asss

 Ok boss,  :rotfl:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: fishs on June 18, 2008, 12:36:30 AM
I agree Maturana have to go!



I  truly understand your frustration Fish, but I think Maturana is good enough tuh make us qualify doh. He definitely is not a Beenie, but I think he have de football knowledge to get us there. Look at dis, If you doubt meh, look at de amount of goals meh boi Stern throw away may be other players also, dat said one great thing, dat the team is playing some attacking football and getting some open looks at goal. From what I read de defence didn't do 2 bad either, de second goal was an unfortunate situation for us. I know dat there are coaches out there looking for a job, dat have a better resume and success at the top level dan Maturana. However, we just need to rally around de team people, forget about de like Jack and doh like jack thing, dat will not help de team right now. Leave dem thing for another time, doh matter what we say at dis time, Mr. Warner and Mr. Maturana will still be de bosses on Sunday.Remember Sunday 15th June 2008, dat date and game is gone, I'm upset and disappointed like you all, but let us just pray, support de coach, his staff and de entire team, de fighting down of de staff and de team will not help dem on Sunday at all. Bless.  HIGHLY BLESSED.

Ah know in here ah mus set set up mihself subliminaly as de coach hater, buh I never say pacho mus go.

Until now, "Pacho mus go, bring back Gal .... ah mean de Wimp"

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 18, 2008, 01:46:26 AM
Imagine we had coaches who get fired for losing to Grenada and coacheswho get fired for ot winning Gold cup when we were long shots. Look at this saying is HE fault and he allwed tuh stay.. Wheeey sar..
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: WestCoast on June 18, 2008, 02:58:34 AM
Imagine we had coaches who get fired for losing to Grenada and coacheswho get fired for ot winning Gold cup when we were long shots. Look at this saying is HE fault and he allwed tuh stay.. Wheeey sar..
the wonderful world of Austin "Jack" Warner
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: jai john on June 18, 2008, 05:52:20 AM
I guess high expectations can lead to great disappointment and thus ... anything thereafter ! What would be the case if your son's newly appointed primary school teacher was a disappointment in a short term evaluation ? From some of the comments here ......I guess we would call for the teacher's head ...leaving the class teacherless until we could find a replacement. ! I wonder if most people believe that coaches are breaking down the door to coach us because we have such a wonderfully talented bunch and are in an easy qualifying group ?

Let me put things in perspective ... We are in the same qualifying group as Powerhouses USA, Mexico and to a lesser extent Costa Rica, El Salvador, Jamaica and Honduras.
Our talent pool has not attracted much attention with the majority of our " Professionals " getting opportunities at levels below the top in their respective foreign countries. Folks we eh have no Latapy or Dwight Yorke to call on  !!! I see men calling for Beenie .... unless he could gears up and play like Ronaldo ..he kyah help dis bunch ....and why would he want to when tings going OK in Poland ? ...ah mean he doing just what he has always done in major competition .... he never win ah game with any team he coach and since his team has modest expectations, he reach by qualifying for Euro already .... just like he did for de soca warriors when our expectations were just to get there ... and we had Hislop, latapy , Yorke and a fit Carlos.

sEEMS LIKE WE GO BLAME mATURANA IF DE SUN DOH SHINE JUST NOW !
Dese fellas like babies in dis competition ...some of them are now making their debuts ...in ah WC competition... if we change de coach now I feel it will have a negative influence on de players ..... and before the next game ???? all yuh kyah be serious ?
Folks you can take a horse to water but you kyah make him drink .....  I did not see the game so I cant comment but from reports on the facts ...we muffed quite a lot of opportunities to kill off the game. Allyuh forget how dis team was doing before Maturana came here ?

Sorry I kyah support de call for de coach's head ...not now anyway ...we win together and we lose together at this point ..... and if we lose so be it ...it have more going on outside the field of play to distract many a top footballer anyway and it is not all the coach's fault.
Leave the man alone ....... yuh kyah give ah man ah job and as soon as he starts yuh panicking and want to give the wuk to someone else  !!!

J Jai John...... a man who has been around for many such campaigns .
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 18, 2008, 07:47:44 AM
3-5-2 Jai dat was brilliant when d smallest chile could tell yuh d defence weak and has been d weakest part since king hatchet was a hammer so since u so dotish Honduras closer 2 Bermuda so please connect him from Miami International and left Corneal 2 do d wuk dat he already do
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 18, 2008, 11:30:49 AM
I guess high expectations can lead to great disappointment and thus ... anything thereafter ! What would be the case if your son's newly appointed primary school teacher was a disappointment in a short term evaluation ? From some of the comments here ......I guess we would call for the teacher's head ...leaving the class teacherless until we could find a replacement. ! I wonder if most people believe that coaches are breaking down the door to coach us because we have such a wonderfully talented bunch and are in an easy qualifying group ?

Let me put things in perspective ... We are in the same qualifying group as Powerhouses USA, Mexico and to a lesser extent Costa Rica, El Salvador, Jamaica and Honduras.
Our talent pool has not attracted much attention with the majority of our " Professionals " getting opportunities at levels below the top in their respective foreign countries. Folks we eh have no Latapy or Dwight Yorke to call on  !!! I see men calling for Beenie .... unless he could gears up and play like Ronaldo ..he kyah help dis bunch ....and why would he want to when tings going OK in Poland ? ...ah mean he doing just what he has always done in major competition .... he never win ah game with any team he coach and since his team has modest expectations, he reach by qualifying for Euro already .... just like he did for de soca warriors when our expectations were just to get there ... and we had Hislop, latapy , Yorke and a fit Carlos.

sEEMS LIKE WE GO BLAME mATURANA IF DE SUN DOH SHINE JUST NOW !
Dese fellas like babies in dis competition ...some of them are now making their debuts ...in ah WC competition... if we change de coach now I feel it will have a negative influence on de players ..... and before the next game ???? all yuh kyah be serious ?
Folks you can take a horse to water but you kyah make him drink .....  I did not see the game so I cant comment but from reports on the facts ...we muffed quite a lot of opportunities to kill off the game. Allyuh forget how dis team was doing before Maturana came here ?

Sorry I kyah support de call for de coach's head ...not now anyway ...we win together and we lose together at this point ..... and if we lose so be it ...it have more going on outside the field of play to distract many a top footballer anyway and it is not all the coach's fault.
Leave the man alone ....... yuh kyah give ah man ah job and as soon as he starts yuh panicking and want to give the wuk to someone else  !!!

J Jai John...... a man who has been around for many such campaigns .

NAH!!

Let Pacho go he way.. and Let jack haul he mudda ass
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: truetrini on June 18, 2008, 11:38:08 AM
I eh making excuses for Maturana eh, but ah wonder if he truely understands the black list and the TTFF given the LANGUAGE barrier?

I feel he eh doing de job and must go too doh...I hope after de Bermuda game he proves all of us wrong but the man eh looking like he capable.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: D.H.W on June 18, 2008, 01:03:35 PM
if in truth it have no blacklist then the coaches at fault for that shit team that playing
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 18, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
He could ah call up avery shit even glenton wolfe...... but no he call an a defender (edwards)who never played at international level for a crucial WCQ....

Mna i tell you
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 18, 2008, 08:34:30 PM
It was said 2nite on sports that nobody expected d defeat but doh worry what Bob did say go happen
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: MEP on June 18, 2008, 08:43:24 PM
Lp eh have nutten to do with bringing in players.....nutten

he eh no coach

I hope this wasn't directed to my comments.

By "coaching committee" I am referring to Anton (and by extension Alvin) and Maturana exclusively.

NAH IT WAS DIRECTED AT MEP with he shit talk


boy you so far into denial yuh torkin swahili, bantu and maasai...
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 22, 2008, 06:25:24 PM
Ok maturna time to go when you reach trinidad pack you bags and head on on to columbia
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 22, 2008, 06:53:08 PM
Ok maturna time to go when you reach trinidad pack you bags and head on on to columbia

Ditto
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2008, 07:08:23 PM
Hello we shippin them no need 4 he 2 come
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: fari on June 22, 2008, 07:11:06 PM
Ok maturna time to go when you reach trinidad pack you bags and head on on to columbia

columbia?  u hadda mean colombia cause i ent have no space in my house for pacho...ah sorry
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Savannah boy on June 22, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
Is not easy to evaluate Pancho when he doh have de best cards to play.  The language barrier cyah be helpful either.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: WestCoast on June 22, 2008, 07:12:49 PM
Ok maturna time to go when you reach trinidad pack you bags and head on on to columbia

columbia?  u hadda mean colombia cause i ent have no space in my house for pacho...ah sorry
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
alltya are DE BEST
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 22, 2008, 07:55:25 PM
Get the f**k out of here...
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 22, 2008, 07:58:23 PM
Is not easy to evaluate Pancho when he doh have de best cards to play.  The language barrier cyah be helpful either.

Nah fawk HE.. He hadda go.. Other coaches get fired for LESSS. So leh de fawker busss it..

What Rijkard doing..  ;D
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Quags on June 22, 2008, 08:00:19 PM
He lucky this eint colombia otherwise .........ride out horse
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2008, 08:04:21 PM
Another Dutch 2 talk bout d palm trees
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Midknight on June 22, 2008, 08:06:35 PM
boy you so far into denial yuh torkin swahili, bantu and maasai...

lol
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: AB.Trini on June 22, 2008, 08:42:26 PM
Alright let's be objective here; Allyuh list all the reasons why this man must go. Consider that in our previous campaign in 2006, we started with a coach who had less success at taking a team to the WC. than our present coach.

This present coach has had to endure a similar start as BSC. See what you could do with the local players,  before  we send for the 'star' boys see if we could  take a low budget team and get some success.

When the  pressure to win gets  tight, then we go bring  all the power players we need if yuh eh have  time or the ability to have them gel as a team in a short time,  yuh arse is garss and yuh getting replaced as a coach. We know this dance with this coach began as a six month dating period is either the man good to score with JW by now or else he gone chasing another  .....unt.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: D.H.W on June 22, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
IF that bitch loose we first game against cuba, loose him, if he still playing puppet lose him. easier said than done with warner there
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2008, 09:55:17 PM
AB

It obvious 2 anybody hwo have a lil sense and eh a Wim hater that d man is doin JW biddin. You make a big point of lookin at tapes and u find Whitley aloneeeeeeeeeee.

You hear 6 mths and eh learn d language just tink Fabello

His decision 2 play 3 5 2 in d 1st WCQ alone should b a good enough reason 2 sent him packin back 2 he dental practice.

When we 1 down he sub d midfielder and bring on a defender but then again I eh know football.

It obviously have some division on dat team I hear he say bout man attidute problem but I eh hear nutten bout fixin it except droppin Ince because we all know bout he attitude.

But then again me eh know football
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 23, 2008, 04:49:20 AM
AB

It obvious 2 anybody hwo have a lil sense and eh a Wim hater that d man is doin JW biddin. You make a big point of lookin at tapes and u find Whitley aloneeeeeeeeeee.

You hear 6 mths and eh learn d language just tink Fabello

His decision 2 play 3 5 2 in d 1st WCQ alone should b a good enough reason 2 sent him packin back 2 he dental practice.

When we 1 down he sub d midfielder and bring on a defender but then again I eh know football.

It obviously have some division on dat team I hear he say bout man attidute problem but I eh hear nutten bout fixin it except droppin Ince because we all know bout he attitude.

But then again me eh know football


According to Alvin, ince get dropped cause de Goal keeping coach felt Jan Micheal was faster on his feet and it was time to give him a bligh.

LOL.. It wasntbecause of "Attitude" issues. lol. pressure.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Bakes on June 23, 2008, 06:24:37 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: FF on June 23, 2008, 06:28:11 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie


I really thought it was 4-4-2

because they say telesford went to right back and M. Edwards was left back... which leaves Hislop and Lawrence in the centre....  unless one of dem was playing DM  ???
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 23, 2008, 06:47:07 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie


I really thought it was 4-4-2

because they say telesford went to right back and M. Edwards was left back... which leaves Hislop and Lawrence in the centre....  unless one of dem was playing DM  ???

I am 99% sure it was a 4-4-2... Alvin was saying it was.. even tho patriot say 3-5-2  but I think he get that wrong... It was a 4-4-2 with Telesford and M.Edwards playing RB and LB.. and Carlos and K.Daniel playing RW and LW
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 23, 2008, 06:50:23 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie


I really thought it was 4-4-2

because they say telesford went to right back and M. Edwards was left back... which leaves Hislop and Lawrence in the centre....  unless one of dem was playing DM  ???

I am 99% sure it was a 4-4-2... Alvin was saying it was.. even tho patriot say 3-5-2  but I think he get that wrong... It was a 4-4-2 with Telesford and M.Edwards playing RB and LB.. and Carlos and K.Daniel playing RW and LW

Ahhh ys I think you might be correct Small Mag.

Patrot will clear it up when he reach back I guess
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 23, 2008, 07:53:28 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie


leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 08:14:08 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie


leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...

nigel daniel is a better left back than avery john, avery has no ball control and gives away possession too much, plus hes much older than nigel.

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: trinikev on June 23, 2008, 08:20:37 AM
Somebody please, help mih nah... wasn't it de same 3-5-2 system we play and shut out Bermuda yesterday?  So was it de system or was it de players last week Sunday that we need to blame? (yeah, yeah...blame de coach fuh havind de 'wrong' players on de field)

Also... does it matter if yuh hear 6 months... or if yuh one good ezz only allow yuh tuh hear 3?

Finally... who is Fabello ???

Grazie


leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...

nigel daniel is a better left back than avery john, avery has no ball control and gives away possession too much, plus hes much older than nigel.

God is de BOSS....

But Avery John defends better, and a LB is a defender. Therefore Avery is still better at that position right now
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Dumplingdinho on June 23, 2008, 08:22:59 AM
TI
so wait nah, where nigel daniel playing now?  u comparing a man who does only look good and only ever play in the pro league with a player who has played in much better leagues.

now avery is on the blacklist so nigel technically has a better chance to make the squad and he still cant, imagine maturana who obviously believe in giving evrybody ah chance still eh vibes nigel.  Others such as akeem adams (high school student), akile edwards, ancil farrier, michael edwards, even cupid play left back yesterday, all dem men get a chance so what happen to nigel daniel.

u talking about avery's age and then on other post you will talk about how we need hardest, cyd gray, dennis lawrence,yorke, etc..all dem men is the same age, so if you want to use the age argument also use the not playing argument to be consistent and logical when yuh discussing hardest importance to the team.
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leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...
Quote

nigel daniel is a better left back than avery john, avery has no ball control and gives away possession too much, plus hes much older than nigel.

God is de BOSS....
Quote


Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Observer on June 23, 2008, 08:29:38 AM
Stop calling for coach to come and go. We all know the problem and who / whom needs to GO. Until then T&T Football will always and I say always SUFFER. Blaming coach after coach is only white washing the true issue.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 23, 2008, 08:40:22 AM
Stop calling for coach to come and go. We all know the problem and who / whom needs to GO. Until then T&T Football will always and I say always SUFFER. Blaming coach after coach is only white washing the true issue.

NAH!!! Let Pacho go he way... !!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Warrior30 on June 23, 2008, 08:53:01 AM
Maturana,

Yuh real lucky. I doh understand how we were still looking for 1 goal and you replace Edwards, a defender, with another defender. Mr Cupid who had a nightmare for the last few games. Your tactics are questionable and I hope yuh get SHIPPED BACK OUT FAST.

I want to see what excuse TTFF will give us now towards our players.

Avery playing regularly for MIAMI FC

Birchill at least was playing regular for the reserve team, and i am SURE that it is a better level than pro league (just being honest)

Sancho, well hopefully yuh find a club this summer, but yuh experience will beat the young boys out right now

Cornell, if it is true about yuh attitude well yuh could keep it, if not come and take over for Forbes please.

Hopefull the SHIT stop and the SHIP start back sailing de course. Most we asking for is a decent run and good effort. If we fall short at least we could say thanks for trying, but please stop putting out a team that is NOT READY.

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Touches on June 23, 2008, 09:15:40 AM
From watching all the games available to me down here, I am not happy with Maturana.

You seeing glaring deficiencies and you not seeing attempts to solve them.

I find we hitting and hoping, no constructive attacking play.

Nothing on corners or free kicks

Nothing in terms of midfield

Nothing in the way of defending

Lack of shape

Poor player selection ( Blacklist or no )

Poor subs

All against POOR OPPOSITION...We not ready.

We have improved marginally since the Guadelope game...if only understanding between local and foreign based.

Wim had us playing a better, more effective brand of ball.

A good coach does wonders....Alyuh foget Beenie away at Mexico and USA away.

Look at Simoes when he was here in a month we beat Honduras away, look decent vs Ja in the oval and play good across in China.

I would go so far as to say look at Fevrier record against the African teams we played...look at the time period..and the style in which we did it. ( He truly got a raw deal...he did an excellent job while in charge)

Patcho and he trainers shakey for me...even they warm up and training ent looking right.

I think 8 weeks is enough time to get a new man and a proper 6 week camp with about 4 friendly games to be able to pull of a result against Cuba and Guatemala.

But if he does stay...bringing back the blacklisted players...namely Cyd, Birchall and Avery would do wonders for this side.

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Arimaman on June 23, 2008, 09:43:16 AM
What is the big deal whether it was a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2?? 
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 10:29:47 AM
From watching all the games available to me down here, I am not happy with Maturana.

You seeing glaring deficiencies and you not seeing attempts to solve them.

I find we hitting and hoping, no constructive attacking play.

Nothing on corners or free kicks

Nothing in terms of midfield

Nothing in the way of defending

Lack of shape

Poor player selection ( Blacklist or no )

Poor subs

All against POOR OPPOSITION...We not ready.

We have improved marginally since the Guadelope game...if only understanding between local and foreign based.

Wim had us playing a better, more effective brand of ball.

A good coach does wonders....Alyuh foget Beenie away at Mexico and USA away.

Look at Simoes when he was here in a month we beat Honduras away, look decent vs Ja in the oval and play good across in China.

I would go so far as to say look at Fevrier record against the African teams we played...look at the time period..and the style in which we did it. ( He truly got a raw deal...he did an excellent job while in charge)

Patcho and he trainers shakey for me...even they warm up and training ent looking right.

I think 8 weeks is enough time to get a new man and a proper 6 week camp with about 4 friendly games to be able to pull of a result against Cuba and Guatemala.

But if he does stay...bringing back the blacklisted players...namely Cyd, Birchall and Avery would do wonders for this side.



mats is a 2 time wc coach and has won against teams like argentina, how all of a sudden he is a shithound? bc our strikers couldnt finish bc anton controlling in the shadows, come on nah man, you really think wim was better? we putting the ball on the ground and we cut down on the long ball garbage, all we need is a solid backline, cohesive back and our mid has to re-adjusted because whitley is a holding mid, we finally put to rest that scotland not cutting it at intl level and roberts and stern should start bc jones injured, i supporting maturana, bc ihe grooming a team for the future in the process, something beenie didnt do at all

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 10:34:49 AM
TI
so wait nah, where nigel daniel playing now?  u comparing a man who does only look good and only ever play in the pro league with a player who has played in much better leagues.

now avery is on the blacklist so nigel technically has a better chance to make the squad and he still cant, imagine maturana who obviously believe in giving evrybody ah chance still eh vibes nigel.  Others such as akeem adams (high school student), akile edwards, ancil farrier, michael edwards, even cupid play left back yesterday, all dem men get a chance so what happen to nigel daniel.

u talking about avery's age and then on other post you will talk about how we need hardest, cyd gray, dennis lawrence,yorke, etc..all dem men is the same age, so if you want to use the age argument also use the not playing argument to be consistent and logical when yuh discussing hardest importance to the team.
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leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...
Quote

nigel daniel is a better left back than avery john, avery has no ball control and gives away possession too much, plus hes much older than nigel.

God is de BOSS....
Quote




since nigel get that injury the man hasnt been the same, he has more control than avery will ever have and passing ability, i watch avery in the wc live and everytime he play, i also watch him in the US, just bc the man playing US ball doh mean shit, nigel is a better left back, just bc the man local doh mean he not good, i not picking the team sah, its corneal, so ask him, snce nigel injury i havent heard him do anything locally, yorke still playing in the epl at the highest level and can hold down the holding mid like in the wc, we dont have a player to fill lawrence role at the moment, no one plays centre back as well as he does at the moment, as for hardest, hes still younger than avery and it have no one in trinidad other than guerra to play his role, thats why hes on the list for the qualifying but the only reason he not playing is bc hes recovering from another injury.

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2008, 10:37:33 AM
Well d difference TI is he did not have 2 deal wit d JWFF
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 10:41:43 AM
Well d difference TI is he did not have 2 deal wit d JWFF

if yuh know thats the reason then why the hell man calling mats a shithound? thats rediculous, you blaming a man who actually trying to give we youth a chance, beenhakker didnt do dat even...

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Sando prince on June 23, 2008, 10:43:23 AM
From watching all the games available to me down here, I am not happy with Maturana.

You seeing glaring deficiencies and you not seeing attempts to solve them.

I find we hitting and hoping, no constructive attacking play.

Nothing on corners or free kicks

Nothing in terms of midfield

Nothing in the way of defending

Lack of shape

Poor player selection ( Blacklist or no )

Poor subs

All against POOR OPPOSITION...We not ready.

We have improved marginally since the Guadelope game...if only understanding between local and foreign based.

Wim had us playing a better, more effective brand of ball.

A good coach does wonders....Alyuh foget Beenie away at Mexico and USA away.

Look at Simoes when he was here in a month we beat Honduras away, look decent vs Ja in the oval and play good across in China.

I would go so far as to say look at Fevrier record against the African teams we played...look at the time period..and the style in which we did it. ( He truly got a raw deal...he did an excellent job while in charge)

Patcho and he trainers shakey for me...even they warm up and training ent looking right.

I think 8 weeks is enough time to get a new man and a proper 6 week camp with about 4 friendly games to be able to pull of a result against Cuba and Guatemala.

But if he does stay...bringing back the blacklisted players...namely Cyd, Birchall and Avery would do wonders for this side.


...Touches since you said currently bringing back Cyd will do wonders to this team...am assunming he is atleast training with a club...please tell us what is Cyd staus right now?...(am sure am not the only one here who really want to know)
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Dumplingdinho on June 23, 2008, 10:47:06 AM
TI
so wait nah, where nigel daniel playing now?  u comparing a man who does only look good and only ever play in the pro league with a player who has played in much better leagues.

now avery is on the blacklist so nigel technically has a better chance to make the squad and he still cant, imagine maturana who obviously believe in giving evrybody ah chance still eh vibes nigel.  Others such as akeem adams (high school student), akile edwards, ancil farrier, michael edwards, even cupid play left back yesterday, all dem men get a chance so what happen to nigel daniel.

u talking about avery's age and then on other post you will talk about how we need hardest, cyd gray, dennis lawrence,yorke, etc..all dem men is the same age, so if you want to use the age argument also use the not playing argument to be consistent and logical when yuh discussing hardest importance to the team.
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leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...
Quote

nigel daniel is a better left back than avery john, avery has no ball control and gives away possession too much, plus hes much older than nigel.

God is de BOSS....
Quote




since nigel get that injury the man hasnt been the same, he has more control than avery will ever have and passing ability, i watch avery in the wc live and everytime he play, i also watch him in the US, just bc the man playing US ball doh mean shit, nigel is a better left back, just bc the man local doh mean he not good, i not picking the team sah, its corneal, so ask him, snce nigel injury i havent heard him do anything locally, yorke still playing in the epl at the highest level and can hold down the holding mid like in the wc, we dont have a player to fill lawrence role at the moment, no one plays centre back as well as he does at the moment, as for hardest, hes still younger than avery and it have no one in trinidad other than guerra to play his role, thats why hes on the list for the qualifying but the only reason he not playing is bc hes recovering from another injury.

God is de BOSS....

i eh saying because avery playing in th US he is better but what this recent debacle against bermuda prove is the locals are not ready by any stretch of the imagination.
just because a man play well against ne stars and petrotrin doh mean he ready for international football, i agree that nigel daniel is a better passer than avery but that is about it when it comes to having an advantage, nigel is a poor tackler, his positional play is poor, likes to overlap but takes his time in getting back on defence, weak in the air. so come with a better argument than that.

right now we have few locals who capable of playing international football such as  whitley and i trying to come up with some other names.

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2008, 10:47:46 AM
We callin 4 he 2 go because d Dutch men told JW where 2 go and he went. If u take a wuk and u cyah do all dat is necessary go pack and pull teeth. You look at tapes and u recall Whitley alone dat alone tells me u either dotish or eh pickin d team dat way take a connectin flight from Miami Int we go ship yuh stuff
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 10:55:46 AM
TI
so wait nah, where nigel daniel playing now?  u comparing a man who does only look good and only ever play in the pro league with a player who has played in much better leagues.

now avery is on the blacklist so nigel technically has a better chance to make the squad and he still cant, imagine maturana who obviously believe in giving evrybody ah chance still eh vibes nigel.  Others such as akeem adams (high school student), akile edwards, ancil farrier, michael edwards, even cupid play left back yesterday, all dem men get a chance so what happen to nigel daniel.

u talking about avery's age and then on other post you will talk about how we need hardest, cyd gray, dennis lawrence,yorke, etc..all dem men is the same age, so if you want to use the age argument also use the not playing argument to be consistent and logical when yuh discussing hardest importance to the team.
[/b]




leo was hear 1 mth and we was playing good

we ketch we arse to beat them a lorse to Bermuda is unacceptable we play england etc , and games against Grenada Barbados enslaved Guyana ...  let me see if he would call back avery john , sancho and birchall...
Quote

nigel daniel is a better left back than avery john, avery has no ball control and gives away possession too much, plus hes much older than nigel.

God is de BOSS....
Quote




since nigel get that injury the man hasnt been the same, he has more control than avery will ever have and passing ability, i watch avery in the wc live and everytime he play, i also watch him in the US, just bc the man playing US ball doh mean shit, nigel is a better left back, just bc the man local doh mean he not good, i not picking the team sah, its corneal, so ask him, snce nigel injury i havent heard him do anything locally, yorke still playing in the epl at the highest level and can hold down the holding mid like in the wc, we dont have a player to fill lawrence role at the moment, no one plays centre back as well as he does at the moment, as for hardest, hes still younger than avery and it have no one in trinidad other than guerra to play his role, thats why hes on the list for the qualifying but the only reason he not playing is bc hes recovering from another injury.

God is de BOSS....

i eh saying because avery playing in th US he is better but what this recent debacle against bermuda prove is the locals are not ready by any stretch of the imagination.
just because a man play well against ne stars and petrotrin doh mean he ready for international football, i agree that nigel daniel is a better passer than avery but that is about it when it comes to having an advantage, nigel is a poor tackler, his positional play is poor, likes to overlap but takes his time in getting back on defence, weak in the air. so come with a better argument than that.

right now we have few locals who capable of playing international football such as  whitley and i trying to come up with some other names.



nigel passes better and also has superior ball control to avery, he also crosses well, avery not a gem in the air either and avery's tackles have costed the team free kicks in their first third many times, hes irrational when it comes to tackling, so you need to stop that garbage you talking, positional play can come with experience and having a consistent backline of players, not chopping and changing every other team in terms of cohesiveness.

it have fellahs like leon, hardest, bleeder who are all local who could play abroad, so what are you talking about?

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 10:58:03 AM
We callin 4 he 2 go because d Dutch men told JW where 2 go and he went. If u take a wuk and u cyah do all dat is necessary go pack and pull teeth. You look at tapes and u recall Whitley alone dat alone tells me u either dotish or eh pickin d team dat way take a connectin flight from Miami Int we go ship yuh stuff

and wim also cuff lincoln also, i guess that was also good as well ent? ??? schupsss, whitley should be on the team, hes one of our best defensive mids, if you dont see that, u need to stop commenting on TT footbal in general

God is de BOSS....l
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Dumplingdinho on June 23, 2008, 11:05:23 AM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: asylumseeker on June 23, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
Stop calling for coach to come and go. We all know the problem and who / whom needs to GO. Until then T&T Football will always and I say always SUFFER. Blaming coach after coach is only white washing the true issue.

Bravo!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2008, 11:27:16 AM
Yeah TI Wim cuff down LP
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 23, 2008, 11:35:15 AM
From watching all the games available to me down here, I am not happy with Maturana.

You seeing glaring deficiencies and you not seeing attempts to solve them.

I find we hitting and hoping, no constructive attacking play.

Nothing on corners or free kicks

Nothing in terms of midfield

Nothing in the way of defending

Lack of shape

Poor player selection ( Blacklist or no )

Poor subs

All against POOR OPPOSITION...We not ready.

We have improved marginally since the Guadelope game...if only understanding between local and foreign based.

Wim had us playing a better, more effective brand of ball.

A good coach does wonders....Alyuh foget Beenie away at Mexico and USA away.

Look at Simoes when he was here in a month we beat Honduras away, look decent vs Ja in the oval and play good across in China.

I would go so far as to say look at Fevrier record against the African teams we played...look at the time period..and the style in which we did it. ( He truly got a raw deal...he did an excellent job while in charge)

Patcho and he trainers shakey for me...even they warm up and training ent looking right.

I think 8 weeks is enough time to get a new man and a proper 6 week camp with about 4 friendly games to be able to pull of a result against Cuba and Guatemala.

But if he does stay...bringing back the blacklisted players...namely Cyd, Birchall and Avery would do wonders for this side.



mats is a 2 time wc coach and has won against teams like argentina, how all of a sudden he is a shithound? bc our strikers couldnt finish bc anton controlling in the shadows, come on nah man, you really think wim was better? we putting the ball on the ground and we cut down on the long ball garbage, all we need is a solid backline, cohesive back and our mid has to re-adjusted because whitley is a holding mid, we finally put to rest that scotland not cutting it at intl level and roberts and stern should start bc jones injured, i supporting maturana, bc ihe grooming a team for the future in the process, something beenie didnt do at all

God is de BOSS....
1) So what if he beat argentina that was long long time ago ... but i care wha going on now ... i would be saying the same thing if was any other coach ...
 2)yuh say anton controling and we  struggling against bermuda  well now pacho should really go !!!
 3) Well is best we write off 2010 since he grooming fuh the future ... national team eh really  to groom that fuh the under 20  under 17 teams etc .... .. and yuh gone with leo again now .... but look at it this way 1 mth in we did not struggle to beat panama under leo
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 11:36:47 AM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.

one dimensional is a joke, maybe yourself, i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.
offense is your best defense and i rather see nigel lhandle the ball rather than avery.

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: ricky on June 23, 2008, 11:52:12 AM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.

one dimensional is a joke, maybe yourself, i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.
offense is your best defense and i rather see nigel lhandle the ball rather than avery.

God is de BOSS....


ah this is the TI we all remember  :beermug:
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
From watching all the games available to me down here, I am not happy with Maturana.

You seeing glaring deficiencies and you not seeing attempts to solve them.

I find we hitting and hoping, no constructive attacking play.

Nothing on corners or free kicks

Nothing in terms of midfield

Nothing in the way of defending

Lack of shape

Poor player selection ( Blacklist or no )

Poor subs

All against POOR OPPOSITION...We not ready.

We have improved marginally since the Guadelope game...if only understanding between local and foreign based.

Wim had us playing a better, more effective brand of ball.

A good coach does wonders....Alyuh foget Beenie away at Mexico and USA away.

Look at Simoes when he was here in a month we beat Honduras away, look decent vs Ja in the oval and play good across in China.

I would go so far as to say look at Fevrier record against the African teams we played...look at the time period..and the style in which we did it. ( He truly got a raw deal...he did an excellent job while in charge)

Patcho and he trainers shakey for me...even they warm up and training ent looking right.

I think 8 weeks is enough time to get a new man and a proper 6 week camp with about 4 friendly games to be able to pull of a result against Cuba and Guatemala.

But if he does stay...bringing back the blacklisted players...namely Cyd, Birchall and Avery would do wonders for this side.



mats is a 2 time wc coach and has won against teams like argentina, how all of a sudden he is a shithound? bc our strikers couldnt finish bc anton controlling in the shadows, come on nah man, you really think wim was better? we putting the ball on the ground and we cut down on the long ball garbage, all we need is a solid backline, cohesive back and our mid has to re-adjusted because whitley is a holding mid, we finally put to rest that scotland not cutting it at intl level and roberts and stern should start bc jones injured, i supporting maturana, bc ihe grooming a team for the future in the process, something beenie didnt do at all

God is de BOSS....
1) So what if he beat argentina that was long long time ago ... but i care wha going on now ... i would be saying the same thing if was any other coach ...
 2)yuh say anton controling and we  struggling against bermuda  well now pacho should really go !!!
 3) Well is best we write off 2010 since he grooming fuh the future ... national team eh really  to groom that fuh the under 20  under 17 teams etc .... .. and yuh gone with leo again now .... but look at it this way 1 mth in we did not struggle to beat panama under leo

so who do you suggest to coach the team then?
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Dumplingdinho on June 23, 2008, 12:09:51 PM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.

one dimensional is a joke, maybe yourself, i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.
offense is your best defense and i rather see nigel lhandle the ball rather than avery.

God is de BOSS....

yuh play football against yuh pumpkin vine cousin who play for "ajax' so dat make yuh ah expert on football, now allyuh doh get mih wrong i not saying that u have to play serious football to know football because some of the ebst coaches in the world never play at the highest level but keep in mind it easy for non players to be an armchair coach, what you from the sidelines is a lot different from on the field itself.

so back to Ti, yuh is ah boss cause u play small goal against yuh cousins, if i mention names of men i play small goal with them u will have to crown me FIFA player of the Year, anyway fire maturana and hire TI so he could select hardest, guerra and nigel, 2010 fuh sure..wait ah minute, TI say we planning for the future not like Leo and the quick fix, i always thought leo job and maturana was the same, qualify for the  world cup, i didnt know dem men was hired for ah developmental program, my bad, carry on.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Touches on June 23, 2008, 12:22:11 PM
Sando Prince

I think Cyd is healed..I have seen him around...I do not know what is his playing status (club etc)...But if Hyland doesnt have a club and he training with the national team and gettin fit. I dont see why Cyd cant do the same.

Cyd has matured and improved 1000% from butting the ball 2 inches off the grass and all the other folly he used to engage in. He is far removed from being Wanchope and Gomez son.

He has been thru the wars, played against the best in Concacaf and has experience.

However experience aside he has this over all comers in the wingback position.

1) Size
2) Height
3) Speed...real important factor.
4) Tackling ability...yet to see any of the new defenders hit a man a good solid Jam.
5) Belley and fight...Things I ent see these new fellas have.

Isnt that what you want in a defender?

Even if not Cyd, Avery could come in...Tallest have too much work to do in the back. One less worry  will help us out indeed. I find Hislop play too much game to still be uncomfortable in the back. Since Wim he dey and ent stamp his authority.

Also too one good defensive mid will help out the back 4/3 immensely. Whitley Cyar do it alone.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 12:29:26 PM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.

one dimensional is a joke, maybe yourself, i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.
offense is your best defense and i rather see nigel lhandle the ball rather than avery.

God is de BOSS....

yuh play football against yuh pumpkin vine cousin who play for "ajax' so dat make yuh ah expert on football, now allyuh doh get mih wrong i not saying that u have to play serious football to know football because some of the ebst coaches in the world never play at the highest level but keep in mind it easy for non players to be an armchair coach, what you from the sidelines is a lot different from on the field itself.

so back to Ti, yuh is ah boss cause u play small goal against yuh cousins, if i mention names of men i play small goal with them u will have to crown me FIFA player of the Year, anyway fire maturana and hire TI so he could select hardest, guerra and nigel, 2010 fuh sure..wait ah minute, TI say we planning for the future not like Leo and the quick fix, i always thought leo job and maturana was the same, qualify for the  world cup, i didnt know dem men was hired for ah developmental program, my bad, carry on.

pumpkin vine? yuh mad or wha, we never play small goal neither, you need to take yuh out of timing comments back in the hole yuh come from, it seems like advancing is your only aim, development not part of the plan for you, quick fix and no youths to carry on into the future, real short sighted if you ask me and guerra is the best youth in tt, i dont need you to attest to that because you were in that group of people who say locals was a waste of time.

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 23, 2008, 12:36:58 PM
Sando Prince

I think Cyd is healed..I have seen him around...I do not know what is his playing status (club etc)...But if Hyland doesnt have a club and he training with the national team and gettin fit. I dont see why Cyd cant do the same.

Cyd has matured and improved 1000% from butting the ball 2 inches off the grass and all the other folly he used to engage in. He is far removed from being Wanchope and Gomez son.

He has been thru the wars, played against the best in Concacaf and has experience.

However experience aside he has this over all comers in the wingback position.

1) Size
2) Height
3) Speed...real important factor.
4) Tackling ability...yet to see any of the new defenders hit a man a good solid Jam.
5) Belley and fight...Things I ent see these new fellas have.

Isnt that what you want in a defender?

Even if not Cyd, Avery could come in...Tallest have too much work to do in the back. One less worry  will help us out indeed. I find Hislop play too much game to still be uncomfortable in the back. Since Wim he dey and ent stamp his authority.

Also too one good defensive mid will help out the back 4/3 immensely. Whitley Cyar do it alone.

I cant wait till Cyd gets recalled (that is if he is allowed to be recalled)

CYD--LAWRENCE--SANCHO--AVERY 

then Nigel Daniel as LB Cover and Telesford as RB Cover..  With Julias James and Hopefully Andrews as CB Cover

Then we also have Spann who can play RB..as he did under Leo.. And if things become desperate..Carlos..of course if the star boy willing... his new attitude is Shite..but i dont blame him..the Coaches are punks and are basically bending over to him... I not saying drop him..i just saying sort his attitude out..

Check them defensive Options... While we have 2 Jackasses picking Ameteurs like Smith Cupid Makan Farrier A.Adams...Steupsssssss

Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: TrinInfinite on June 23, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.

one dimensional is a joke, maybe yourself, i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.
offense is your best defense and i rather see nigel lhandle the ball rather than avery.

God is de BOSS....

yuh play football against yuh pumpkin vine cousin who play for "ajax' so dat make yuh ah expert on football, now allyuh doh get mih wrong i not saying that u have to play serious football to know football because some of the ebst coaches in the world never play at the highest level but keep in mind it easy for non players to be an armchair coach, what you from the sidelines is a lot different from on the field itself.

so back to Ti, yuh is ah boss cause u play small goal against yuh cousins, if i mention names of men i play small goal with them u will have to crown me FIFA player of the Year, anyway fire maturana and hire TI so he could select hardest, guerra and nigel, 2010 fuh sure..wait ah minute, TI say we planning for the future not like Leo and the quick fix, i always thought leo job and maturana was the same, qualify for the  world cup, i didnt know dem men was hired for ah developmental program, my bad, carry on.

lemme hear your replacement? ??? before you even start posting on this board, on the old board i called for tt to get either a dutch or german coach, or if not a european a south american, first choice being argentinian, so really your argument is useless to me, bc i bet you cant name a bloody replacement besides beenhakker.

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 23, 2008, 01:35:39 PM
Headlines



Warriors stay in World Cup fray  --- Trinidad Guardian


WE DID IT
Soca Warriors keep World Cup hopes alive - Trinidad Express

we pulling off escape against bermuda i tell you yet yuh have posters who happy



Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: damiangoal on June 23, 2008, 01:54:46 PM
TI,

you are the most one dimensional person I have seen on this site,  you are very close minded and always believe you are 100% correct about team selection.

you ever play any serious football, i not talking about cleaning hardest tugs and jockstrap...i talking about at a minimum inetrcol, probably league football or US college ball, some kinda ball wheer u will understand the difference between watching the game on tv, watching it live in the stadium, posting on this website and actually playing on the field.

avery is irrational, i guess u referring to the red card against sweden..men argue that ah million times on this site so i not going to discuss that again, my only comment on that is that tackle save us from ah serious buss net and 2 the yellow cards he got only 1 was a good call but on any given day the call could go either way.

i eh hating on nigel daniel, as a matter of fact nigel is mih bredren but from playing with and against him, as a forward i rather line up against him than avery because with nigel his mind doh be on the game for all 90 minutes while avery is ah force from beginning to end, he keeps u "honest" on the field.

one dimensional is a joke, maybe yourself, i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.
offense is your best defense and i rather see nigel lhandle the ball rather than avery.

God is de BOSS....

yuh play football against yuh pumpkin vine cousin who play for "ajax' so dat make yuh ah expert on football, now allyuh doh get mih wrong i not saying that u have to play serious football to know football because some of the ebst coaches in the world never play at the highest level but keep in mind it easy for non players to be an armchair coach, what you from the sidelines is a lot different from on the field itself.

so back to Ti, yuh is ah boss cause u play small goal against yuh cousins, if i mention names of men i play small goal with them u will have to crown me FIFA player of the Year, anyway fire maturana and hire TI so he could select hardest, guerra and nigel, 2010 fuh sure..wait ah minute, TI say we planning for the future not like Leo and the quick fix, i always thought leo job and maturana was the same, qualify for the  world cup, i didnt know dem men was hired for ah developmental program, my bad, carry on.

pumpkin vine? yuh mad or wha, we never play small goal neither, you need to take yuh out of timing comments back in the hole yuh come from, it seems like advancing is your only aim, development not part of the plan for you, quick fix and no youths to carry on into the future, real short sighted if you ask me and guerra is the best youth in tt, i dont need you to attest to that because you were in that group of people who say locals was a waste of time.

God is de BOSS....
hislop is proving to be a good stopper, don't be so harsh on him! :)
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Babalawo on June 23, 2008, 02:14:37 PM
If not for Maturana to go, someone HAS TO BE FIRED!!!  Who ever is his local talent evaluator/scout, Most likely the Corneals have to go.  Where is Licoln Phillips in all this.  Stand up nah man.  We have much more talented people thats in the squad right now.  TnT already have a limited amount of talent compared to the bigger nations out there, so why put the choke hold on the talent out there already.  Colin Samuel, Denzil Theobald, Chris Birchall, Kelvin Jack, Avery John, Glentin Wolff, should be in the squad.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: MEP on June 23, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
What happens to a dream deferred...does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? or fester like a sore then post on socawarriors.net

i played high school football, toronto is 8 months of winter and i hated indoor football, so i resorted to playing against my cosuinswho played for holland/ajax and feyronord in europe and tt in the summers against my cousins who played intercol back home, but otherwise i havent played us college ball; so in terms of do i know football, yes i do, my family has a long history in it, so i know alot more than others who pretend to and i do play whenever i get the chance.

Lawd boy yuh makin what dem fellas say bout you ring true......
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Deeks on June 23, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
I am relieved we win, but to tell you the truth, I am not happy. I like the current team we have, but the blacklisted guys have to be called NOW so we can have blend on experience and youth. Anything else is UNACCEPTABLE.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: ribbit on June 23, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
which is the problem? pacho's on-field management or his off-field management (or both)? from the thread comments so far, it seem people taking the players' collective attitude, putting that on pacho (is that fair?); but really wanting him to stand up to the corneals regarding player selection. like the next coach have to be aware their PRIMARY responsibility will really be to fight the administration even as they hire him!  :-\ 
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Arimaman on June 23, 2008, 02:55:59 PM

Quote
hislop is proving to be a good stopper, don't be so harsh on him! :)
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True, but I honestly believe he is not ready for this level of football.  He lil green but I would prefer to see Julius James get an honest opportunity just as Makan did.  From all that I hear of Julius, he seems to be the real deal.  Yes, Brent Sancho and Cyd would be the quick fix but I would also like to see Julius in the fray. 

Hislop's touches seems to be poor and he lacks confidence on the ball.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: elan on June 23, 2008, 03:52:36 PM
Pacho coaching like back in the day when you sub position for position, despite score, condition, etc. his decision making in terms of game management is really suspect, as per Cupid on Sunday. I don't have any faith in Maturana. Every video highlight we see men standing around not involved in the session, low energy, no sense of urgency what so ever. Men keep saying that we cannot make a judgement from the highlights but, if all the videos have a recurring theme then we can infer.

I don't know how you all look at football and all that but, bringing Stern on as a sub was a big risk. Stern normally have to get rolling in a game. But, he gamble and it work, so well done.

Whoever the Goalkeeping coach is need to be re evaluated, cause there is no way Phillips or Williams have better footwork and technique than Ince.

We need Sancho and Avery along with Cyd, cause we will need speed against the Guatemalans and Americans. Hislop, Cupid, Smith all them will get burn with speed. Our recovery like cold condense milk.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: just cool on June 23, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
Back to the topic. ah just want to say to the forumites who wasn't there to see the game. it's not like bermuda ran rings around us, it's just a matter that the new team did not get enough time to gel as a unit, that's all.

the only responsibilty the coach could bare is the fact that he started the game with 3 defenders, and he stuck with stern and scottie who basically are the same type of players, when he had better options on the bench to choose from, apart from that , we lost the bloody game not the coach, with 4 missed oportunity and ah giddy keeper to top it off.

the man made amends for his mistakes by resting scottie and ince, and rightfully so! jason scotland is at best ah late sub, and an excellent penalty taker, but in no wise a creative striker like daryll.

time will prove allyuh wrong! leave the bloody coach right where he is. the man is more than capable.  faithless trini's.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Deeks on June 23, 2008, 05:59:07 PM
I have not seen the last couple games with this 3 defenders formation.

 The way I see it, this new formation must have some kind of mechanism for one of the mid-fielders dropping back to cover inside or at right back. the same goes for the left side.

They just can't defend with 3. You can imagine these guys playing like that against Mex, Costa R., or USA. Langdon Donavon will blow past them and string-up Ince, etc.

 But I need to see the game before I can really criticize Pacho and/or the players for this performance. Guys, from what I have read so far, we appear to be shakey at best. Does not inspire confidence for us fans. At least me. I hope someone can send a Youtube clip of the game soon.
Title: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Coach on June 23, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
A coach needs time to know his players and not to depend on opinions from others to make his selection. 

We struggle to get past Bermuda so there is a problem.

Here is one suggestion for Maturana, since he didn't have the time to know our players physical, technical, tactical and mental strength and weaknesses under game pressure situations.

Invite all foreign and Local pros, have a series  of intersquad games, with the players knowing that it's a selection process so that they will give 100%

I can't understand why some of our foreign pros are not making the team, these guys are playing outside because there are something that is good about there game and Maturana needs to find that out for himself and not from other people opinions.

A foreign players is a guide for him to know that he must have a good look at those players, a local player don't get a contract abroad by guess.

Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Fyzoman on June 23, 2008, 08:12:52 PM
Great point!

De writing was on de wall when Scotland didn't make de team for dem earlier games.
How in de hell you as a coach go quite england and find out dat this one fellah was de top scorer in his league and eh even give de man a look-see???
It wasn't until after de call up de old Scottie (granted he didn't too much with he chance), but still man!

But yeah ah wish dey could take up your suggestion!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on June 23, 2008, 08:32:16 PM
GET OVER THE COLLIN SAMUEL DEAL...  I know the man blank Maturana for the Jamaica game in Jamaica, but you are two grown men and get over for the sake of TnT.  Give the man another call up.  He was going through some rough times in Canada and also was release by Toronto FC.  Put your egos aside and make this happen.

Next...
Since you are stead fast with your squad thinking its the best T&T has to offer.  I challenge you for a practice match vs the Soca Warriors B squad to see if these players do belong.

                                   Kelvin Jack
Cyd Gray (is back from injury)  Brent Sancho -  Julius James - Avery John

Anthony Wolfe - Chris Birchall - Denzil Theobald - Collin Samuel

                    Cornell Glenn - Trent Noel

From there you can see upclose and introduce your self to get to know these guy more and see if they fit to fit you squad.  This will end the blacklist theory and that you can pick any player of trini passport. yes you can play the game in you MLStadium if you want  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Jah Gol on June 23, 2008, 08:33:25 PM
Is Cyd playing ?
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Mr Mc on June 23, 2008, 08:55:33 PM
GET OVER THE COLLIN SAMUEL DEAL...  I know the man blank Maturana for the Jamaica game in Jamaica, but you are two grown men and get over for the sake of TnT.  Give the man another call up.  He was going through some rough times in Canada and also was release by Toronto FC.  Put your egos aside and make this happen.

Next...
Since you are stead fast with your squad thinking its the best T&T has to offer.  I challenge you for a practice match vs the Soca Warriors B squad to see if these players do belong.

                                   Kelvin Jack
Cyd Gray (is back from injury)  Brent Sancho -  Julius James - Avery John

Anthony Wolfe - Chris Birchall - Denzil Theobald - Collin Samuel

                    Cornell Glenn - Trent Noel

From there you can see upclose and introduce your self to get to know these guy more and see if they fit to fit you squad.  This will end the blacklist theory and that you can pick any player of trini passport. yes you can play the game in you MLStadium if you want  ;D

put Spann and Patterson and Hardest on that team too.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2008, 10:05:08 PM
Cyd is expected 2 return 2 trainin in bout a wk
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: AB.Trini on June 23, 2008, 10:09:37 PM
 I posted this 'tongue in cheek' with the idea to raise some considerations  to producing a game that will allow our best players to share the same stage. One person right away dismiss the idea and  had to move to the personal denigration ; I have no time for people who cyar see they head because it stuck so far up they arse.  So for what it's worth, here it is  an idea similar to what you are proposing:


http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=37024.msg445649#msg445649

Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Tha G. on June 23, 2008, 10:12:22 PM
what about Sealey. that boy good.and he does score de easy ones
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Coach on June 23, 2008, 10:26:44 PM
Alberta, your idea is fine!

I know that Maturing is in a tough situation but he needs to see our players play and not just make decisions  on scouting reports.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on June 23, 2008, 10:34:20 PM
GET OVER THE COLLIN SAMUEL DEAL...  I know the man blank Maturana for the Jamaica game in Jamaica, but you are two grown men and get over for the sake of TnT.  Give the man another call up.  He was going through some rough times in Canada and also was release by Toronto FC.  Put your egos aside and make this happen.

Next...
Since you are stead fast with your squad thinking its the best T&T has to offer.  I challenge you for a practice match vs the Soca Warriors B squad to see if these players do belong.

                                   Kelvin Jack
Cyd Gray (is back from injury)  Brent Sancho -  Julius James - Avery John

Anthony Wolfe - Chris Birchall - Denzil Theobald - Collin Samuel

                    Cornell Glenn - Trent Noel

From there you can see upclose and introduce your self to get to know these guy more and see if they fit to fit you squad.  This will end the blacklist theory and that you can pick any player of trini passport. yes you can play the game in you MLStadium if you want  ;D

put Spann and Patterson and Hardest on that team too.

Patterson aready in Maturana's plan.  Stern John took his spot...  Hardest too soft for international football...  Yes Spann in for Trent Noel cuz, and move Wolfe up front with Glenn.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 23, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
SM u have more insight than d technical staff I email yuh training squad 2 Fuentes but I in d TTFF blacklist so it must b end up in spam
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Mr Mc on June 24, 2008, 12:34:53 AM
GET OVER THE COLLIN SAMUEL DEAL...  I know the man blank Maturana for the Jamaica game in Jamaica, but you are two grown men and get over for the sake of TnT.  Give the man another call up.  He was going through some rough times in Canada and also was release by Toronto FC.  Put your egos aside and make this happen.

Next...
Since you are stead fast with your squad thinking its the best T&T has to offer.  I challenge you for a practice match vs the Soca Warriors B squad to see if these players do belong.

                                   Kelvin Jack
Cyd Gray (is back from injury)  Brent Sancho -  Julius James - Avery John

Anthony Wolfe - Chris Birchall - Denzil Theobald - Collin Samuel

                    Cornell Glenn - Trent Noel

From there you can see upclose and introduce your self to get to know these guy more and see if they fit to fit you squad.  This will end the blacklist theory and that you can pick any player of trini passport. yes you can play the game in you MLStadium if you want  ;D

put Spann and Patterson and Hardest on that team too.

Patterson aready in Maturana's plan.  Stern John took his spot...  Hardest too soft for international football...  Yes Spann in for Trent Noel cuz, and move Wolfe up front with Glenn.

We aint deep enough for men to be losing they spot in the training squad.
I forget Sealy too, all these men should be in camp for the next few weeks fighting for spots.
 I also find if we overloaded with forwards, and some of the mids not up to par then let some them extra forwards play in the middle, we need out best players on the field.
Imagine Cornell and Stern up front, and Jones sitting behind the two strikers using his  passing ability to link the mids and forwards as an attacking mid.  Then Whitley could be more defensive, but still with the ability to go forward if the opportunity arose. 
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: fishs on June 24, 2008, 03:11:17 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 04:17:50 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.

Leh Pacho haul he backside.. A one way ticket to Columbia Por favor
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on June 24, 2008, 04:21:34 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.

Leh Pacho haul he backside.. A one way ticket to Columbia Por favor
one man saying is Wim fault
ah next man saying is Mats fault.
 ;D
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 04:24:35 AM
SM u have more insight than d technical staff I email yuh training squad 2 Fuentes but I in d TTFF blacklist so it must b end up in spam

I en know you blacklisted too. lol.

Abut anyway. Let Pacho go he way!!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 04:26:11 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.

Leh Pacho haul he backside.. A one way ticket to Columbia Por favor
one man saying is Wim fault
ah next man saying is Mats fault.
 ;D

Andde kicks is,Is really jackoffasour fault
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on June 24, 2008, 04:31:33 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.

Leh Pacho haul he backside.. A one way ticket to Columbia Por favor
one man saying is Wim fault
ah next man saying is Mats fault.
 ;D

Andde kicks is,Is really jackoffasour fault
Austin "Jack" "Mugabe" Warner
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Arimaman on June 24, 2008, 06:24:13 AM
Pacho coaching like back in the day when you sub position for position, despite score, condition, etc. his decision making in terms of game management is really suspect, as per Cupid on Sunday. I don't have any faith in Maturana. Every video highlight we see men standing around not involved in the session, low energy, no sense of urgency what so ever. Men keep saying that we cannot make a judgement from the highlights but, if all the videos have a recurring theme then we can infer.

I don't know how you all look at football and all that but, bringing Stern on as a sub was a big risk. Stern normally have to get rolling in a game. But, he gamble and it work, so well done.

Whoever the Goalkeeping coach is need to be re evaluated, cause there is no way Phillips or Williams have better footwork and technique than Ince.

We need Sancho and Avery along with Cyd, cause we will need speed against the Guatemalans and Americans. Hislop, Cupid, Smith all them will get burn with speed. Our recovery like cold condense milk.

How yuh know that, yuh was at practice?  What allyuh does really be saying.  Let the coach and them coach nah!!  I hope you are an "A" license coach or something yes b/c you sure know more that all the coaches.  It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback!!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Andre on June 24, 2008, 06:45:21 AM
LEARN ENGLISH MATURANA!

JW paying u enough to sign up for a class in UWI.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 24, 2008, 07:06:45 AM
A coach needs time to know his players and not to depend on opinions from others to make his selection. 

We struggle to get past Bermuda so there is a problem.

Here is one suggestion for Maturana, since he didn't have the time to know our players physical, technical, tactical and mental strength and weaknesses under game pressure situations.



he is here 6mths  is bermuda  we play so  is either he or the players and i know fuh sure it cannot be the players ...
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: ann3boys on June 24, 2008, 07:12:49 AM
okay let me throw this in - I think that Maturana knows enough English to understand what people are saying, but he just decide to let us think he doesn't. A man cannot live in Trinidad for 6 months and not understand english at all and not be able to speak the language. So what happen- he walking around with a translator day and night? or he going back to Columbia every night???just ridiculous I say...

I also think the suggestion to play games of senior vs new players is excellent one...unfortunately that may show up the deficiencies in the selection of the team- so of course that won't be done...

ah well- on we go...

2010 you say?? ::)
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Arimaman on June 24, 2008, 07:22:05 AM
A coach needs time to know his players and not to depend on opinions from others to make his selection. 

We struggle to get past Bermuda so there is a problem.

Here is one suggestion for Maturana, since he didn't have the time to know our players physical, technical, tactical and mental strength and weaknesses under game pressure situations.

Invite all foreign and Local pros, have a series  of intersquad games, with the players knowing that it's a selection process so that they will give 100%

I can't understand why some of our foreign pros are not making the team, these guys are playing outside because there are something that is good about there game and Maturana needs to find that out for himself and not from other people opinions.

A foreign players is a guide for him to know that he must have a good look at those players, a local player don't get a contract abroad by guess.



What is this, an U14 scouting/trial session?  Pros don't do that man.  This is very amateurish!!! 

So why Erickson doh do that in Mexico?  It not happening.  As a coach, you know what positions you are happy with and which ones you are not.  You select players based on your observation or the observation of your entire staff.  All men calling for all kinda men to come back.  Please take men age into consideration.  It's annoying to hear all the Maturana bashing.  I not necessarily saying the man doing a great job but we cyar be Mexico neither and hurry to fire coaches all the time.  I don't believe we are in panick mode, yet.

Relax people, the coach have 2 months to institute his program.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: fishs on June 24, 2008, 07:36:23 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.

Leh Pacho haul he backside.. A one way ticket to Columbia Por favor

O'Conn ah feel ah spanish give yuh tabanca.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Coop's on June 24, 2008, 07:49:47 AM
A coach needs time to know his players and not to depend on opinions from others to make his selection. 

We struggle to get past Bermuda so there is a problem.

Here is one suggestion for Maturana, since he didn't have the time to know our players physical, technical, tactical and mental strength and weaknesses under game pressure situations.

Invite all foreign and Local pros, have a series  of intersquad games, with the players knowing that it's a selection process so that they will give 100%

I can't understand why some of our foreign pros are not making the team, these guys are playing outside because there are something that is good about there game and Maturana needs to find that out for himself and not from other people opinions.

A foreign players is a guide for him to know that he must have a good look at those players, a local player don't get a contract abroad by guess.



What is this, an U14 scouting/trial session?  Pros don't do that man.  This is very amateurish!!! 

So why Erickson doh do that in Mexico?  It not happening.  As a coach, you know what positions you are happy with and which ones you are not.  You select players based on your observation or the observation of your entire staff.  All men calling for all kinda men to come back.  Please take men age into consideration.  It's annoying to hear all the Maturana bashing.  I not necessarily saying the man doing a great job but we cyar be Mexico neither and hurry to fire coaches all the time.  I don't believe we are in panick mode, yet.

Relax people, the coach have 2 months to institute his program.
          WELL SAID
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 24, 2008, 07:54:38 AM

 I not necessarily saying the man doing a great job but we cyar be Mexico neither and hurry to fire coaches all the time.  I don't believe we are in panick mode, yet.

Relax people, the coach have 2 months to institute his program .

Should wait until we are in panic mode but that  would be to late !!!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Jahyouth on June 24, 2008, 07:57:49 AM
Who here ever play savannah football?

That football different than any other kind of football in the world.

And it could be the Queen's Park Savannah, Aranguez Savannah, or the savannah in Pinto Road Arima -- once is in Trinidad...

EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Everybody could tell the winger where to stand up, how to make a run, how he loafing, or the right technique to cross the ball.

The center link never knocking the ball enough... the sweeper always playing wild... the keeper not diving enough...

IN TRINIDAD EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Allyuh let Maturana coach nah.

Is years the man doing it and he have results to show too.

Relax, sit down, and watch.  And leave Maturana to do his job.

Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 07:59:58 AM

 Doh take advice from here, live and die by your own decisions.

Leh Pacho haul he backside.. A one way ticket to Columbia Por favor

O'Conn ah feel ah spanish give yuh tabanca.

 ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Arimaman on June 24, 2008, 08:01:26 AM
Who here ever play savannah football?

That football different than any other kind of football in the world.

And it could be the Queen's Park Savannah, Aranguez Savannah, or the savannah in Pinto Road Arima -- once is in Trinidad...

EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Everybody could tell the winger where to stand up, how to make a run, how he loafing, or the right technique to cross the ball.

The center link never knocking the ball enough... the sweeper always playing wild... the keeper not diving enough...

IN TRINIDAD EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Allyuh let Maturana coach nah.

Is years the man doing it and he have results to show too.

Relax, sit down, and watch.  And leave Maturana to do his job.



Agreed.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 08:07:55 AM
Who here ever play savannah football?

That football different than any other kind of football in the world.

And it could be the Queen's Park Savannah, Aranguez Savannah, or the savannah in Pinto Road Arima -- once is in Trinidad...

EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Everybody could tell the winger where to stand up, how to make a run, how he loafing, or the right technique to cross the ball.

The center link never knocking the ball enough... the sweeper always playing wild... the keeper not diving enough...

IN TRINIDAD EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Allyuh let Maturana coach nah.

Is years the man doing it and he have results to show too.

Relax, sit down, and watch.  And leave Maturana to do his job.



disagreed.. Leh Pacho go he way!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 08:09:33 AM
Left dem O'connor how much ah dem was call 4 BSC head? D man in d wuk 4 6 mths and we kecth we tail 2 beat Bermuda but then again we early 4 2014
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 08:11:59 AM
Left dem O'connor how much ah dem was call 4 BSC head? D man in d wuk 4 6 mths and we kecth we tail 2 beat Bermuda but then again we early 4 2014

is true. we one targe for 2014

But imagine tho, coaches in the pass get buss throat for less shit than that.

But I en guh lie, i am still hurt about the Bermuda fiasco. And yea yeawe hadda move on.. BUT.. For hurting me, and causing me grief. Pacho hadda go.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 08:16:18 AM
Are our fans d only once who comments about a coach and dey selection is dis a unique Trini ting?How much peeps did feel Sven was madddddddddd 2 select Walcot 4 d WC? Let d people say that Ince betta than Williams and Phillip what is d big deal loud steupsssssssssss
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 08:18:12 AM
Are our fans d only once who comments about a coach and dey selection is dis a unique Trini ting?How much peeps did feel Sven was madddddddddd 2 select Walcot 4 d WC? Let d people say that Ince betta than Williams and Phillip what is d big deal loud steupsssssssssss

And I say, let pacho go he way.!!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 08:21:10 AM
Exactly we cuss BSC till d cows came home dis man doin more crap but give he a chance like is a raffle we runin. Make u tink is 1 rule for foreign crap and another 4 local. Crap is crap whether it wrap ina TNT flag or a Colombian flag.

D only way d memory of d Bermudia fiasco will b removed is when D Warrior Nation charter flight landin in Johannesburg
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Midknight on June 24, 2008, 08:28:04 AM
Who here ever play savannah football?

That football different than any other kind of football in the world.

And it could be the Queen's Park Savannah, Aranguez Savannah, or the savannah in Pinto Road Arima -- once is in Trinidad...

EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Everybody could tell the winger where to stand up, how to make a run, how he loafing, or the right technique to cross the ball.

The center link never knocking the ball enough... the sweeper always playing wild... the keeper not diving enough...

IN TRINIDAD EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Allyuh let Maturana coach nah.

Is years the man doing it and he have results to show too.

Relax, sit down, and watch.  And leave Maturana to do his job.
Recently Domenech say something about France having 60 million national team managers...However, Trinis have a funny way of feeling we unique with everything.

I go tell you where we unique though. We are the only country where the biggest spectator coach of them all, a man who never kick a lime in the botanic gardens, let alone the Savannah, could fire qualified coaches whenever it please him for doing less shite than Maturana put down in the last  6 months.
Talk to Stewart Fevrier, talk to Vranes, talk to Wim and talk to BSC about "letting the coach coach..." Some of alyuh who singing that same refrain was busy running up alyuh mouth of some of these same fellas, even on Beenie. And we keeping quiet ent stop Jack from running them.

So as the saying go "Who in the Kitchen does feel de heat" and none of we ent paying licence for we mouth. If alyuh want to stay quiet and watch Jack and dese jokers he controlling turn ALYUH national team into a table football set dat is alyuh business...
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 08:31:51 AM
Who here ever play savannah football?

That football different than any other kind of football in the world.

And it could be the Queen's Park Savannah, Aranguez Savannah, or the savannah in Pinto Road Arima -- once is in Trinidad...

EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Everybody could tell the winger where to stand up, how to make a run, how he loafing, or the right technique to cross the ball.

The center link never knocking the ball enough... the sweeper always playing wild... the keeper not diving enough...

IN TRINIDAD EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Allyuh let Maturana coach nah.

Is years the man doing it and he have results to show too.

Relax, sit down, and watch.  And leave Maturana to do his job.
Recently Domenech say something about France having 60 million national team managers...However, Trinis have a funny way of feeling we unique with everything.

I go tell you where we unique though. We are the only country where the biggest spectator coach of them all, a man who never kick a lime in the botanic gardens, let alone the Savannah, could fire qualified coaches whenever it please him for doing less shite than Maturana put down in the last  6 months.
Talk to Stewart Fevrier, talk to Vranes, talk to Wim and talk to BSC about "letting the coach coach..." Some of alyuh who singing that same refrain was busy running up alyuh mouth of some of these same fellas, even on Beenie. And we keeping quiet ent stop Jack from running them.

So as the saying go "Who in the Kitchen does feel de heat" and none of we ent paying licence for we mouth. If alyuh want to stay quiet and watch Jack and dese jokers he controlling turn ALYUH national team into a table football set dat is alyuh business...

AMEN.. Thank u Geeeezusss!!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: just cool on June 24, 2008, 08:35:40 AM
Are our fans d only once who comments about a coach and dey selection is dis a unique Trini ting?How much peeps did feel Sven was madddddddddd 2 select Walcot 4 d WC? Let d people say that Ince betta than Williams and Phillip what is d big deal loud steupsssssssssss

And I say, let pacho go he way.!!
And replace him with whom ?!! you saw the game with your own eyes, and so did i .

 i personally didn't like the 3 defender deal, and scotland and stren playing along side each other who happen to be the same kind of players, but we had ample oportunity to put away bermuda without the stress of going there to finish the job.

stern need to finish off sitters like the ones he had on june 15th, common 3 sitters and yuh miss all!! unacceptable @ this stage, no wonder the sunlun fans was doggin him so much, and doh talk for lazy ass scotland! he needs to develope some work ethic!!! yes i said it !

 i had to see it to believe it, the man slow and lazy to boot, the coach did right by subbing the both of them, edwards was so frustrated with them on june 15th, the man was just working like a plowing mule for nothing, and stern and scottie was just getting out paced by them slow fat bermudans.

the only mistake i saw on the coach was not subbing scotland, and the 3 defenders,of which he made amends, other than that , allyuh watching football with darkers.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 24, 2008, 08:35:44 AM
Exactly we cuss BSC till d cows came home dis man doin more crap but give he a chance like is a raffle we runin. Make u tink is 1 rule for foreign crap and another 4 local. Crap is crap whether it wrap ina TNT flag or a Colombian flag.

D only way d memory of d Bermudia fiasco will b removed is when D Warrior Nation charter flight landin in Johannesburg

Da is wha we saying!!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Coach on June 24, 2008, 08:47:03 AM
We were almost eliminated by Bermuda, yes Bermuda, so there is a problem that need to get fix quickly.

The quality of players that we have, Bermuda should have never given us any problems. We don't even need a coach on the bench to beat Bermuda.

This only shows that we are putting the wrong team on the field.

Maybe the problem is the assistant coach, how much input does Anton have with Maturana decisions.

We do need a quick fix fast!!
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 24, 2008, 08:47:19 AM

I go tell you where we unique though. We are the only country where the biggest spectator coach of them all, a man who never kick a lime in the botanic gardens, let alone the Savannah, could fire qualified coaches whenever it please him for doing less shite than Maturana put down in the last  6 months.Talk to Stewart Fevrier, talk to Vranes, talk to Wim and talk to BSC about "letting the coach coach..." Some of alyuh who singing that same refrain was busy running up alyuh mouth of some of these same fellas, even on Beenie. And we keeping quiet ent stop Jack from running them.

So as the saying go "Who in the Kitchen does feel de heat" and none of we ent paying licence for we mouth. If alyuh want to stay quiet and watch Jack and dese jokers he controlling turn ALYUH national team into a table football set dat is alyuh business...

Ent, well said, steups
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: samo on June 24, 2008, 08:50:28 AM
You have to remember though, that the English league done long time, man home liming and then get a call saying he on the team... I do not believe he is match fit.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: madness1969 on June 24, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
getting de coach fired isn't going to solved de problem of football in trinidad. trinidad people needs to understand the level of football. it has change. it's a money making event. and trinidadians need to get involve more than b4. not only football but sports generally!
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: elan on June 24, 2008, 09:10:44 AM
Pacho coaching like back in the day when you sub position for position, despite score, condition, etc. his decision making in terms of game management is really suspect, as per Cupid on Sunday. I don't have any faith in Maturana. Every video highlight we see men standing around not involved in the session, low energy, no sense of urgency what so ever. Men keep saying that we cannot make a judgement from the highlights but, if all the videos have a recurring theme then we can infer.

I don't know how you all look at football and all that but, bringing Stern on as a sub was a big risk. Stern normally have to get rolling in a game. But, he gamble and it work, so well done.

Whoever the Goalkeeping coach is need to be re evaluated, cause there is no way Phillips or Williams have better footwork and technique than Ince.

We need Sancho and Avery along with Cyd, cause we will need speed against the Guatemalans and Americans. Hislop, Cupid, Smith all them will get burn with speed. Our recovery like cold condense milk.

How yuh know that, yuh was at practice?  What allyuh does really be saying.  Let the coach and them coach nah!!  I hope you are an "A" license coach or something yes b/c you sure know more that all the coaches.  It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback!!

Mr, man yuh don't have to be in training to notice these things. I have consistently seen both GKs in action and observers who know GKing can see the difference.

And by the way all they may teach at an A' License course is including the GK in training sessions. To do be GK specific you have to do your GK diploma and or license. I won't go into qualifications, but I am sure I ain't no arm chair quarterback.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Arimaman on June 24, 2008, 09:25:35 AM
Pacho coaching like back in the day when you sub position for position, despite score, condition, etc. his decision making in terms of game management is really suspect, as per Cupid on Sunday. I don't have any faith in Maturana. Every video highlight we see men standing around not involved in the session, low energy, no sense of urgency what so ever. Men keep saying that we cannot make a judgement from the highlights but, if all the videos have a recurring theme then we can infer.

I don't know how you all look at football and all that but, bringing Stern on as a sub was a big risk. Stern normally have to get rolling in a game. But, he gamble and it work, so well done.

Whoever the Goalkeeping coach is need to be re evaluated, cause there is no way Phillips or Williams have better footwork and technique than Ince.

We need Sancho and Avery along with Cyd, cause we will need speed against the Guatemalans and Americans. Hislop, Cupid, Smith all them will get burn with speed. Our recovery like cold condense milk.

How yuh know that, yuh was at practice?  What allyuh does really be saying.  Let the coach and them coach nah!!  I hope you are an "A" license coach or something yes b/c you sure know more that all the coaches.  It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback!!

Mr, man yuh don't have to be in training to notice these things. I have consistently seen both GKs in action and observers who know GKing can see the difference.

And by the way all they may teach at an A' License course is including the GK in training sessions. To do be GK specific you have to do your GK diploma and or license. I won't go into qualifications, but I am sure I ain't no arm chair quarterback.

You sure are an arn chair quarterback.  If you read what the man say, basically in training the man was sharper than Ince.  Regarding the GK issue, do you know who is the GK coach?  Check yuh research, he was one of we all time bests and he also worked along with Beenieman. 

Let the coach please.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Bakes on June 24, 2008, 11:40:56 AM
A coach needs time to know his players and not to depend on opinions from others to make his selection. 

We struggle to get past Bermuda so there is a problem.

Here is one suggestion for Maturana, since he didn't have the time to know our players physical, technical, tactical and mental strength and weaknesses under game pressure situations.

Invite all foreign and Local pros, have a series  of intersquad games, with the players knowing that it's a selection process so that they will give 100%

I can't understand why some of our foreign pros are not making the team, these guys are playing outside because there are something that is good about there game and Maturana needs to find that out for himself and not from other people opinions.

A foreign players is a guide for him to know that he must have a good look at those players, a local player don't get a contract abroad by guess.



What is this, an U14 scouting/trial session?  Pros don't do that man.  This is very amateurish!!! 

So why Erickson doh do that in Mexico?  It not happening.  As a coach, you know what positions you are happy with and which ones you are not.  You select players based on your observation or the observation of your entire staff.  All men calling for all kinda men to come back.  Please take men age into consideration.  It's annoying to hear all the Maturana bashing.  I not necessarily saying the man doing a great job but we cyar be Mexico neither and hurry to fire coaches all the time.  I don't believe we are in panick mode, yet.

Relax people, the coach have 2 months to institute his program.

I with you and Jahyouth.... and ah cyah wait when he get this thing turn around (whether we qualify or not) to come back and revisit all this ole talk about how much ah shithound he is.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Coop's on June 24, 2008, 12:01:33 PM
If we look back at the history of T&T Coaches there is a continued pattern,Coaches don't last any time on the job,we change Coaches more regular than we change our clothes,some of them had more than one term but were fired and rehired,Tallman could you put together a list of national team Coaches from lets say Burn Boots days,what's going on with Coaches in T&T is nothing new,the philosophy in T&T is always the Coach is the problem,once a team not playing well is Coach but when things going well is players.

My observation is,don't matter what Maturana does with the players he have at his disposal,to some people he still has to go,our Coaches have never been given enough time to settle in on the job,to develope and gain any kind of experience at that level,just how players take years to develope and play at different levels it's the same with Coaches,example look at say Gally and Bertille,i think they did a very good job as Coaches at the international despite what ever qualifications/experience to Coach at that level,now they were fired and where are they now,foreign Coaches at the top level go from job to job so it keep them sharp and their level up.

Our Coaches always have to be starting from scratch because they are never kept on the job long enough to know players,by the time they know the players they are fired or gone (Benie),Football today is about success and the easiest scapegoat in this game is the Coach,once things not going right is Coach,as long as T&T continue to just put plasters on every sore it have and don't get down to fixing our issues and problems don't expect much to change.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: E-man on June 24, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
Ian Prescott seems impressed after the Bermuda win.
His Headline is...


MATURANA'S MAGIC
T&T coach rings changes for qualifying victory


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161343209
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 12:56:12 PM
If yuh have 2 wuk magic 2 beat Bermuda what u have 2 do against USA Obeah dem writers does realize what nonesense dey does b puttin in d press
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: assrancid on June 24, 2008, 12:58:16 PM
If yuh have 2 wuk magic 2 beat Bermuda what u have 2 do against USA Obeah dem writers does realize what nonesense dey does b puttin in d press

You are taking your dislike for Maturana to new heights, you are everywhere bad mouthing him.  Take a break.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 24, 2008, 12:59:59 PM
Ian Prescott seems impressed after the Bermuda win.
His Headline is...


MATURANA'S MAGIC
T&T coach rings changes for qualifying victory


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161343209


all these headlines yes he use magic to beat bermuda
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: trinikev on June 24, 2008, 01:01:42 PM
If yuh have 2 wuk magic 2 beat Bermuda what u have 2 do against USA Obeah dem writers does realize what nonesense dey does b puttin in d press

You are taking your dislike for Maturana to new heights, you are everywhere bad mouthing him.  Take a break.

I with weary on this one.......it shudn't take any 'magic' for T&T to beat Bermuda.....the headline severely exaggerates the reality of the situation.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: elan on June 24, 2008, 01:02:40 PM
Pacho coaching like back in the day when you sub position for position, despite score, condition, etc. his decision making in terms of game management is really suspect, as per Cupid on Sunday. I don't have any faith in Maturana. Every video highlight we see men standing around not involved in the session, low energy, no sense of urgency what so ever. Men keep saying that we cannot make a judgement from the highlights but, if all the videos have a recurring theme then we can infer.

I don't know how you all look at football and all that but, bringing Stern on as a sub was a big risk. Stern normally have to get rolling in a game. But, he gamble and it work, so well done.

Whoever the Goalkeeping coach is need to be re evaluated, cause there is no way Phillips or Williams have better footwork and technique than Ince.

We need Sancho and Avery along with Cyd, cause we will need speed against the Guatemalans and Americans. Hislop, Cupid, Smith all them will get burn with speed. Our recovery like cold condense milk.

How yuh know that, yuh was at practice?  What allyuh does really be saying.  Let the coach and them coach nah!!  I hope you are an "A" license coach or something yes b/c you sure know more that all the coaches.  It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback!!

Mr, man yuh don't have to be in training to notice these things. I have consistently seen both GKs in action and observers who know GKing can see the difference.

And by the way all they may teach at an A' License course is including the GK in training sessions. To do be GK specific you have to do your GK diploma and or license. I won't go into qualifications, but I am sure I ain't no arm chair quarterback.

You sure are an arn chair quarterback.  If you read what the man say, basically in training the man was sharper than Ince.  Regarding the GK issue, do you know who is the GK coach?  Check yuh research, he was one of we all time bests and he also worked along with Beenieman. 

Let the coach please.


Hahaaaaaaa     :rotfl:  :rotfl:   :rotfl:


You serious...Nov. 19th 1989 means anything to you.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 01:07:23 PM
Brudder me likin Pancho eh likin Pancho what dat have 2 do wit anyting but y should a writer big up a man 4 beatin Bermuda dat is what u should focus on
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: assrancid on June 24, 2008, 03:36:48 PM
If the team has lost the game, do you think that the writer would have called his player selection and tactics magical?

He pulled the rabbit out the hat, we move on as was expected yet you constantly harp on the coach.

The problem is not just the coach, save your energies for displacing Warner.

The trouble with T&T football has always been Warner, first it was Wim then he hired Maturana, these guys don't care about moving T&T football forward, they care about pleasing Warner and getting paid.  A combination of both or one or the other.

Wim was a waste of time, since his departure, Maturana is filling his boots admirably.

The only continuity in T&T football is Corneal's, Warner, Oliver and Groden.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: injunchile on June 24, 2008, 03:48:28 PM
Like you guys did not read the newspaper today. One reporter said Maturana is a magician. I hope the magic continues, One does not need to be a rocket scientist to know that Me Mum- Sancho- Cornell Glen are missing from this side.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 03:59:24 PM
I do blieve inMagic it is an illusion
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: elan on June 24, 2008, 04:03:54 PM
Brudder me likin Pancho eh likin Pancho what dat have 2 do wit anyting but y should a writer big up a man 4 beatin Bermuda dat is what u should focus on

Weary doh hot yuh head nah. How much did Bermuda attack we for we to say we did wel? I happy we pull out the win, but by no means that mean we did better.
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 04:08:15 PM
Well if I knew how 2 get rid of Jack I would have done dat long time. U said in another post d one with Italy thatu eh supportin Pancho now he filling Wim boots admirably. I consistant jW need 2 go, Wim got a raw deed and his replacemant Pancho is doin JW biddin.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Deeks on June 24, 2008, 04:10:38 PM
I can't tell Pacho how to coach or what tactics or formation to use. But My advise to him is to tell Jack he need to have the rest of the blacklisted now. Not next month, but now. Now is the time to bring them men into the fold. Birchall, Sancho etc can train with them guys. They free now until the English league starts. We have time on our hands.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: elan on June 24, 2008, 04:18:40 PM
I doh understand how we not in panic mode when the gun buss and we stumble on the first hurdle. We still dusting off we hand and wiping the blood of ah we, all this time the other runners clearing hurdles like they jumping over a broom on the ground. We have to play catch up if we can. All this time the coach on the side telling you run, run doh mind that you can't jump. The coach say you can crawl under, around or through the hurdle if you want, just run. All this while yuh teammate who made the finals in the race last year sitting in the stands and he can't help you because the coach say that he get 2 years older and he only racing for reserve teams in foreign, while you racing on a Pro team in Trinidad. never mind that one of these same foreign team just come down and beat one of the biggest pro team in T&T.

But doh worry close yuh eyes and run, so you won't have to worry about the hurdles.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2008, 04:25:42 PM
Always remember d 1st ostrich was found in TNT
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: assrancid on June 24, 2008, 04:32:02 PM
Always remember d 1st ostrich was found in TNT

Yes on Dondonald Street.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: just cool on June 24, 2008, 08:00:46 PM
If we look back at the history of T&T Coaches there is a continued pattern,Coaches don't last any time on the job,we change Coaches more regular than we change our clothes,some of them had more than one term but were fired and rehired,Tallman could you put together a list of national team Coaches from lets say Burn Boots days,what's going on with Coaches in T&T is nothing new,the philosophy in T&T is always the Coach is the problem,once a team not playing well is Coach but when things going well is players.

My observation is,don't matter what Maturana does with the players he have at his disposal,to some people he still has to go,our Coaches have never been given enough time to settle in on the job,to developer and gain any kind of experience at that level,just how players take years to developer and play at different levels it's the same with Coaches,example look at say Gally and Bertille,i think they did a very good job as Coaches at the international despite what ever qualifications/experience to Coach at that level,now they were fired and where are they now,foreign Coaches at the top level go from job to job so it keep them sharp and their level up.

Our Coaches always have to be starting from scratch because they are never kept on the job long enough to know players,by the time they know the players they are fired or gone (Benie),Football today is about success and the easiest scapegoat in this game is the Coach,once things not going right is Coach,as long as T&T continue to just put plasters on every sore it have and don't get down to fixing our issues and problems don't expect much to change.
Coach COOP'S , it seem like it's only you and a few men who does approach football objectivly ? ah mean, it's like ah can't believe what i'm hearing !

 fellas calling for the coach head after less than ten games, with only two defeats without we main star player KJ.

 i sat and watch the first game @ the marvin lee and let me tell yuh, the reason bermuda beat us was due to compliasance and over confidence, especially after stern john equalized.

whitley , carlos and telesford were the only players playing with ah sense of urgency.

stern and scottie was walking around like we was up ten nil, ince was as drunk and giddy as craig with ah bottle ah bay rum in his hand,apart from the guys i mentioned together with farrier, the rest of the team was lax as lax could be.

so from what i saw! the team was to blame not the coach, stern kick ah powder puff straight @ the keeper (1)

 he missed another sitter on a cross from edwards (2) he then missed another point blank shot from close range, no placing of shots ,

 scottie also blew one straight over bars when he could've simply place ah nice shot in the corner, and ince was keeping like he was drunk out his chubby mind. scottie, stern and ince blew the game for us , so tell me how is that any fault of the coach.




PS:   Ah mean't to say coop's not coach , i totally disagree with coach's analysis. sorry for the mix  up.                   positive.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: trinikev on June 24, 2008, 09:02:14 PM
If we look back at the history of T&T Coaches there is a continued pattern,Coaches don't last any time on the job,we change Coaches more regular than we change our clothes,some of them had more than one term but were fired and rehired,Tallman could you put together a list of national team Coaches from lets say Burn Boots days,what's going on with Coaches in T&T is nothing new,the philosophy in T&T is always the Coach is the problem,once a team not playing well is Coach but when things going well is players.

My observation is,don't matter what Maturana does with the players he have at his disposal,to some people he still has to go,our Coaches have never been given enough time to settle in on the job,to developer and gain any kind of experience at that level,just how players take years to developer and play at different levels it's the same with Coaches,example look at say Gally and Bertille,i think they did a very good job as Coaches at the international despite what ever qualifications/experience to Coach at that level,now they were fired and where are they now,foreign Coaches at the top level go from job to job so it keep them sharp and their level up.

Our Coaches always have to be starting from scratch because they are never kept on the job long enough to know players,by the time they know the players they are fired or gone (Benie),Football today is about success and the easiest scapegoat in this game is the Coach,once things not going right is Coach,as long as T&T continue to just put plasters on every sore it have and don't get down to fixing our issues and problems don't expect much to change.
Coach , it seem like it's only you and a few men who does approach football objectivly ? ah mean, it's like ah can't believe what i'm hearing !

 fellas calling for the coach head after less than ten games, with only two defeats without we main star player KJ.

 i sat and watch the first game @ the marvin lee and let me tell yuh, the reason bermuda beat us was due to compliasance and over confidence, especially after stern john equalized.

whitley , carlos and telesford were the only players playing with ah sense of urgency.

stern and scottie was walking around like we was up ten nil, ince was as drunk and giddy as craig with ah bottle ah bay rum in his hand,apart from the guys i mentioned together with farrier, the rest of the team was lax as lax could be.

so from what i saw! the team was to blame not the coach, stern kick ah powder puff straight @ the keeper (1)

 he missed another sitter on a cross from edwards (2) he then missed another point blank shot from close range, no placing of shots ,

 scottie also blew one straight over bars when he could've simply place ah nice shot in the corner, and ince was keeping like he was drunk out his chubby mind. scottie, stern and ince blew the game for us , so tell me how is that any fault of the coach.

JC the thing is, I could accept that argument if you were only talking about the first half of the game. Because after seeing that kind of display, at halftime Maturana should have torn them a new asshole, and let them know that shit not gonna slide. But it was pretty much more of the same in the 2nd half. No new sense of urgency, nuttin. Which telling me he definitely didn't make any kind of serious assertion that it was time to play some serious football. It was just 2nd half of the fete match. So he must take some of the blame.

That said, yes the players deserve some of the blame too, along with Jack and the Corneals, etc. Pacho jus deserve he share of pong too.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on June 24, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
GET OVER THE COLLIN SAMUEL DEAL...  I know the man blank Maturana for the Jamaica game in Jamaica, but you are two grown men and get over for the sake of TnT.  Give the man another call up.  He was going through some rough times in Canada and also was release by Toronto FC.  Put your egos aside and make this happen.

Next...
Since you are stead fast with your squad thinking its the best T&T has to offer.  I challenge you for a practice match vs the Soca Warriors B squad to see if these players do belong.

                                   Kelvin Jack
Cyd Gray (is back from injury)  Brent Sancho -  Julius James - Avery John

Anthony Wolfe - Chris Birchall - Denzil Theobald - Collin Samuel

                    Cornell Glenn - Trent Noel

From there you can see upclose and introduce your self to get to know these guy more and see if they fit to fit you squad.  This will end the blacklist theory and that you can pick any player of trini passport. yes you can play the game in you MLStadium if you want  ;D

put Spann and Patterson and Hardest on that team too.

Patterson aready in Maturana's plan.  Stern John took his spot...  Hardest too soft for international football...  Yes Spann in for Trent Noel cuz, and move Wolfe up front with Glenn.

We aint deep enough for men to be losing they spot in the training squad.
I forget Sealy too, all these men should be in camp for the next few weeks fighting for spots.
 I also find if we overloaded with forwards, and some of the mids not up to par then let some them extra forwards play in the middle, we need out best players on the field.Imagine Cornell and Stern up front, and Jones sitting behind the two strikers using his  passing ability to link the mids and forwards as an attacking mid.  Then Whitley could be more defensive, but still with the ability to go forward if the opportunity arose. 

Thats the same I saying.  If a fella like Collin Samuel change his game to midfield, he will never miss a spot. Cuz overall he's rated higher than Whitley, Hyland, and Daniel.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Quags on June 24, 2008, 10:36:49 PM
Who here ever play savannah football?

That football different than any other kind of football in the world.

And it could be the Queen's Park Savannah, Aranguez Savannah, or the savannah in Pinto Road Arima -- once is in Trinidad...

EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Everybody could tell the winger where to stand up, how to make a run, how he loafing, or the right technique to cross the ball.

The center link never knocking the ball enough... the sweeper always playing wild... the keeper not diving enough...

IN TRINIDAD EVERY SPECTATOR IS A COACH

Allyuh let Maturana coach nah.

Is years the man doing it and he have results to show too.

Relax, sit down, and watch.  And leave Maturana to do his job.



Agreed.
Agreed sit down ,relax and watch we ass get kicked up and down Concacaf  :beermug:
doh listen
That under 14 is ah good idea ,I hear about a good 12 year old from Marabella who could get draft een for the NT .
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Trini on June 25, 2008, 05:39:18 AM
This whole coaching thing is a tricky situation.
My personal opinion is that YES, maturana has shown some weaknesses in the previous games, but then I am an armchair coach and was one of the people who supported BSC in the last campaign.
The main reason I supported BSC last time was that he was the best available coach we had, everyone was calling for his head, but nobody was making logical suggestions - BSC had the best resume in T&T and the most accomplishments, not to mention T&T's longest unbeaten streak sometime in 2000 I think at about 13 games, plus playing some of the most attractive and attacking football (albeit nieve in defense), manifested in the Gold Cup 2000. But then JW came and shocked everyone with the appointment of a world renowned coach. It proved to be a brilliant masterstroke on his part, as Beenie is the one exception to the rule that has been true for all T&T coaches - hire and fire in rapid succession with no meaningful goals achieved.
Same thing now.
JW, whether we like it or not, IS T&T football. He pays for everything.
And he has publiclly come out and supported Maturana recently, so I am assuming that he will not be axing him soon. Remember JW comments last time on firing BSC - in his (JW) opinion, the T&T team was not being coached properly - comments from a footbal administrator mind you.
So unless JW has any intention to swap Maturana for a high name profile coach, we are stuch with Pancho, at least for the semi final round.
If we barely scrape through,like we did against Bermuda, I think he might be inclined to re-think the situation.
But I also believe it is not all doom and gloom so much as some of us believe.
I genuinely believe we are good enough to qualify for the final round. the major problem in my mind is not the coach, its player selection, and we all know the situation on that. if we get our best available players, I think we can give the US a run, even with maturana.
With the current players under Maturana, we will need much more luck in terms of results favoring us and a couple players to hit the form of their life - people like Makan Hislop, Jason Scotland et al. On current form, we will struggle to beat Cuba at home. I remember in the Digicel Cup, Cuba impressed me more than any other team (including T&T), the tempo and chemistry of their team was a sight to behold - they were done in by some bad luck vs T&T in the semi-final, if they hadnt lost that player to a red card, the result might have been very different, so people, do not take too much heart in the 3-0 beating we put on them, it is a bit deceiving and they are MUCH better than that scoreline suggests.
But back to the coach - he must be given some credit.
In modern football, no matter who it is (unless it Fiji or Seychelles or something), its hard to break down a team at home who is playing to defend a 2 goal lead, knowing the prize at stake.
Trust me, if we had a playoff with Bermuda for a direct WC spot, like we did with Bahrain, there would not have been that much between the 2 teams over the 2 legs. Motivitaion is a helluva thing, and to an extent, it makes up for technical deficiencies, especially playing against a team not the best technically in the world (T&T).
But Pancho madse some interesting moves, bringing in 2 new forwards who bermuda had no data on, and introducing Stern late after they tired. He has some guts and indeed some tactical acumen.

The biggest tragedy of this entire Bermuda situation is the player selection.

TT& has also learnt a very valuable lesson... Fresh off after the glory of making and playing in a World Cup, I think the country as a whole thought they should not even have to play with bermuda. We were all thinking of it a a foregone conclusion, and that was the same vibes I got from the players in Macoya. The energy level was way too low, and they tried too hard to just win by overclassing them with finesse and history. But running power, energy and inspiration on the part of the Bermudans edged us out (not to mention some woeful finishing too), so only then did we realise we were in a game and actually had to turn up and run and sweat with these lowly Bermudans. Let us just be thankful that we have not followed so many CONCACAF teams who have made their first WC and never returned. I am sure hsitory is also littered with teams like France who won World Cups and failed in the first round next time.

If you check CONCACAF history since 1989, lots of supposed top teams have struggled immensely in the early rounds, and come good and peak when it matters, you guys rememebr Barbados beating Costa Rica in Barbados, then CR coming back to qualify?
Football is not 1+1 = 2 as Beenie used to say, so the fact that we struggled to beat Bermuda does not mean we are automatic crap and will lose heavily in the next round - how come only 1 week earlier we were 1 minute away from beating Jamaica who won their tie 13-0 or something like that? Didnt we lose to this same Ja team 2-4 in POS in July 2000, only to go on and romp past our semi final group one week after that ja beating??

Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Midknight on June 25, 2008, 06:58:53 AM
If you check CONCACAF history since 1989, lots of supposed top teams have struggled immensely in the early rounds, and come good and peak when it matters, you guys rememebr Barbados beating Costa Rica in Barbados, then CR coming back to qualify?
Football is not 1+1 = 2 as Beenie used to say, so the fact that we struggled to beat Bermuda does not mean we are automatic crap and will lose heavily in the next round - how come only 1 week earlier we were 1 minute away from beating Jamaica who won their tie 13-0 or something like that? Didnt we lose to this same Ja team 2-4 in POS in July 2000, only to go on and romp past our semi final group one week after that ja beating??

I would prefer you use another example. We may have romped through the semifinal round in 02, but we get we ass handed to us in the Hex and dat same Yardie team beat us coming and going...

I personally never call for Pacho head but, I'm not sure if you remember what happen with Costa Rica in 2002, but after they barely make it out of that semifinal round (loss to Barbados, play off with Guatemala) they fire their Brazilian coach and bring in Guimaraes for the Hex ...
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 25, 2008, 07:26:07 AM
If you check CONCACAF history since 1989, lots of supposed top teams have struggled immensely in the early rounds, and come good and peak when it matters, you guys rememebr Barbados beating Costa Rica in Barbados, then CR coming back to qualify?
Football is not 1+1 = 2 as Beenie used to say, so the fact that we struggled to beat Bermuda does not mean we are automatic crap and will lose heavily in the next round - how come only 1 week earlier we were 1 minute away from beating Jamaica who won their tie 13-0 or something like that? Didnt we lose to this same Ja team 2-4 in POS in July 2000, only to go on and romp past our semi final group one week after that ja beating??

I would prefer you use another example. We may have romped through the semifinal round in 02, but we get we ass handed to us in the Hex and dat same Yardie team beat us coming and going...

I personally never call for Pacho head but, I'm not sure if you remember what happen with Costa Rica in 2002, but after they barely make it out of that semifinal round (loss to Barbados, play off with Guatemala) they fire their Brazilian coach and bring in Guimaraes for the Hex ...

EH.. I want his head here in place of leno's own.

(http://www.chadmriden.com/whoaskedforit/images/lenos-head-on-a-platter_lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: spideybuff on June 25, 2008, 07:28:09 AM
That said, yes the players deserve some of the blame too, along with Jack and the Corneals, etc.

I not ready to blame the players yet. Honestly, when you look at the whole picture it have to be hard for men like Stern and Carlos to know what went on in the World Cup and see the standards the sides had reach and now to have to come home and play with lil youth men who doing a pile, especially cause they know it have they brethren still out there not getting a chance.

Is akin to when u have a good sweat going every week with your crew and then other men start to fall in the sweat but they playing real nonsense and every week is new faces. The sweat is just lose it vibe and the good players is end up falling off one by one to find other sweats. Things just not the same and u lose motivation and find yourself not tryign as much and you yourself start to drop in standard.

I know we talking about national pride etc and men supposed to be motivated regardless but they still employees. If your manager stupid and he asking you to do nonsense and then your other co-workers now learning the job so they still can;t do simple things, plus they kick you out of your nice office in town because the chairman of the board own a small building in macoya that he could use rent free... is just get frustrating and discouraging and must affect the morale of the employees. Thus,  work is no longer a happy place.

Knowing human behaviour, that is how the senior players would be feeling right now and that would be reflected on the field of play.

Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: just cool on June 25, 2008, 09:52:16 AM
If we look back at the history of T&T Coaches there is a continued pattern,Coaches don't last any time on the job,we change Coaches more regular than we change our clothes,some of them had more than one term but were fired and rehired,Tallman could you put together a list of national team Coaches from lets say Burn Boots days,what's going on with Coaches in T&T is nothing new,the philosophy in T&T is always the Coach is the problem,once a team not playing well is Coach but when things going well is players.

My observation is,don't matter what Maturana does with the players he have at his disposal,to some people he still has to go,our Coaches have never been given enough time to settle in on the job,to developer and gain any kind of experience at that level,just how players take years to developer and play at different levels it's the same with Coaches,example look at say Gally and Bertille,i think they did a very good job as Coaches at the international despite what ever qualifications/experience to Coach at that level,now they were fired and where are they now,foreign Coaches at the top level go from job to job so it keep them sharp and their level up.

Our Coaches always have to be starting from scratch because they are never kept on the job long enough to know players,by the time they know the players they are fired or gone (Benie),Football today is about success and the easiest scapegoat in this game is the Coach,once things not going right is Coach,as long as T&T continue to just put plasters on every sore it have and don't get down to fixing our issues and problems don't expect much to change.
Coach , it seem like it's only you and a few men who does approach football objectivly ? ah mean, it's like ah can't believe what i'm hearing !

 fellas calling for the coach head after less than ten games, with only two defeats without we main star player KJ.

 i sat and watch the first game @ the marvin lee and let me tell yuh, the reason bermuda beat us was due to compliasance and over confidence, especially after stern john equalized.

whitley , carlos and telesford were the only players playing with ah sense of urgency.

stern and scottie was walking around like we was up ten nil, ince was as drunk and giddy as craig with ah bottle ah bay rum in his hand,apart from the guys i mentioned together with farrier, the rest of the team was lax as lax could be.

so from what i saw! the team was to blame not the coach, stern kick ah powder puff straight @ the keeper (1)

 he missed another sitter on a cross from edwards (2) he then missed another point blank shot from close range, no placing of shots ,

 scottie also blew one straight over bars when he could've simply place ah nice shot in the corner, and ince was keeping like he was drunk out his chubby mind. scottie, stern and ince blew the game for us , so tell me how is that any fault of the coach.

JC the thing is, I could accept that argument if you were only talking about the first half of the game. Because after seeing that kind of display, at halftime Maturana should have torn them a new asshole, and let them know that shit not gonna slide. But it was pretty much more of the same in the 2nd half. No new sense of urgency, nuttin. Which telling me he definitely didn't make any kind of serious assertion that it was time to play some serious football. It was just 2nd half of the fete match. So he must take some of the blame.

That said, yes the players deserve some of the blame too, along with Jack and the Corneals, etc. Pacho jus deserve he share of pong too.
So kev my guess is you were not @ the game , or maybe you didn't notice the changes he made to the defence @ 1/2 time, hence the reason we did not concede anymore goals.

the team also dominate in the 2nd half and bermuda bearly touch the ball , it was all T&T in the 2nd half, but what yuh expect the coach to do if fellas not finishing that's not his fault . the only blame i put on him is not replacing scottie for daryl, and many other felt the same as i did, and useing this david guy instead of tinto.

he took of hyland and put on farrier in the left back position, he changed the formation from three defenders to 4, and he also moved teleford way back as a fifth defensive option and pushed whitley up in ah more attacking position.

yuh must remember that this coach as with wim, did not have the luxury of having the full squad @ his disposal, so he must work with what's provided. like allyuh forget what jackular said last yr, he will go to the WC with a young team with a small remnant of the WC players.

 the blacklist still stand and the coach have to play miracle worker with what's  available, so lighten  up nah allyuh, cause i don't think sancho, birchall and avery is ever comming back.  JMO.                positive.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: elan on June 25, 2008, 10:06:29 AM
If we look back at the history of T&T Coaches there is a continued pattern,Coaches don't last any time on the job,we change Coaches more regular than we change our clothes,some of them had more than one term but were fired and rehired,Tallman could you put together a list of national team Coaches from lets say Burn Boots days,what's going on with Coaches in T&T is nothing new,the philosophy in T&T is always the Coach is the problem,once a team not playing well is Coach but when things going well is players.

My observation is,don't matter what Maturana does with the players he have at his disposal,to some people he still has to go,our Coaches have never been given enough time to settle in on the job,to developer and gain any kind of experience at that level,just how players take years to developer and play at different levels it's the same with Coaches,example look at say Gally and Bertille,i think they did a very good job as Coaches at the international despite what ever qualifications/experience to Coach at that level,now they were fired and where are they now,foreign Coaches at the top level go from job to job so it keep them sharp and their level up.

Our Coaches always have to be starting from scratch because they are never kept on the job long enough to know players,by the time they know the players they are fired or gone (Benie),Football today is about success and the easiest scapegoat in this game is the Coach,once things not going right is Coach,as long as T&T continue to just put plasters on every sore it have and don't get down to fixing our issues and problems don't expect much to change.
Coach , it seem like it's only you and a few men who does approach football objectivly ? ah mean, it's like ah can't believe what i'm hearing !

 fellas calling for the coach head after less than ten games, with only two defeats without we main star player KJ.

 i sat and watch the first game @ the marvin lee and let me tell yuh, the reason bermuda beat us was due to compliasance and over confidence, especially after stern john equalized.

whitley , carlos and telesford were the only players playing with ah sense of urgency.

stern and scottie was walking around like we was up ten nil, ince was as drunk and giddy as craig with ah bottle ah bay rum in his hand,apart from the guys i mentioned together with farrier, the rest of the team was lax as lax could be.

so from what i saw! the team was to blame not the coach, stern kick ah powder puff straight @ the keeper (1)

 he missed another sitter on a cross from edwards (2) he then missed another point blank shot from close range, no placing of shots ,

 scottie also blew one straight over bars when he could've simply place ah nice shot in the corner, and ince was keeping like he was drunk out his chubby mind. scottie, stern and ince blew the game for us , so tell me how is that any fault of the coach.

JC the thing is, I could accept that argument if you were only talking about the first half of the game. Because after seeing that kind of display, at halftime Maturana should have torn them a new asshole, and let them know that shit not gonna slide. But it was pretty much more of the same in the 2nd half. No new sense of urgency, nuttin. Which telling me he definitely didn't make any kind of serious assertion that it was time to play some serious football. It was just 2nd half of the fete match. So he must take some of the blame.

That said, yes the players deserve some of the blame too, along with Jack and the Corneals, etc. Pacho jus deserve he share of pong too.
So kev my guess is you were not @ the game , or maybe you didn't notice the changes he made to the defence @ 1/2 time, hence the reason we did not concede anymore goals.

the team also dominate in the 2nd half and bermuda bearly touch the ball , it was all T&T in the 2nd half, but what yuh expect the coach to do if fellas not finishing that's not his fault . the only blame i put on him is not replacing scottie for daryl, and many other felt the same as i did, and useing this david guy instead of tinto.

he took of hyland and put on farrier in the left back position, he changed the formation from three defenders to 4, and he also moved teleford way back as a fifth defensive option and pushed whitley up in ah more attacking position.

yuh must remember that this coach as with wim, did not have the luxury of having the full squad @ his disposal, so he must work with what's provided. like allyuh forget what jackular said last yr, he will go to the WC with a young team with a small remnant of the WC players.

 the blacklist still stand and the coach have to play miracle worker with what's  available, so lighten  up nah allyuh, cause i don't think sancho, birchall and avery is ever comming back.  JMO.                positive.


Can't use that as an excuse cause everyone in the camp say there is no blacklist and the coach has stated that he looked at films and picked the best....so that's on him.

Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 25, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
People, all yuh need to get off Maturana's back. He getting blame because he didn't pick we favorites. Maturana is not the reason we lost the first game Stern and Scotland are - they throw away goals, is simply as that. I can't believe that some ah all yuh want to go to 2010 WC with the 2006 team - ah team that ketch the ass to qualify, and we strikers older and slower - Stern is a loafer, and as much as I respect what he has done for our country over the years, and I do see him as a footballing hero, let the man focus on his club career, and past the baton.

Coop's is correct, we are not always willing to give our coaches the opportunity to work with their charges. Building a team is an on-going process. Is almost like we expect miracles from our coaches. I for one am happy with Maturana simply because he's willing to work with the home based, something Beenie and Wim weren't willing to do. Our footballing future is dependent on our home based, believe it or not - our past proved that. Our nation's footballing glory did not begin with WC 2006, It began decades before.

Having a team full of foreign based will never guarantee any WC spot. What will guarantee it is a team training together constantly. All yuh fail to realize that even with our foreign based we were finding it difficult to defeat other CFU teams full of local players , coached by local coaches, and no pro league. As I have said before quality players doesn't always translate into a quality team. Our country was defeating other Caribbean teams without challenge decades ago simply because our teams were training together all the time - Mexico and the USA are perfect examples.

We may not like Maturana's picks, but we must remember that we do not have a National football philosophy like other major footballing nations, so we are dependent on the philosophy of each coach we hire. I have a question - Given the opportunity to select 3 T&T players to recommend to Aston Villa during their visit years ago, how many would have recommended Yorke? 

Men asking for Beenie and Wim to come back, I don't want them back - they with all their experience did absolutely nothing to assist our local football, they dogged our league and local players, and never saw it fit to make quality suggestions, they were leeches, just like their pay-master.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: jai john on June 25, 2008, 11:01:02 AM
We were almost eliminated by Bermuda, yes Bermuda, so there is a problem that need to get fix quickly.

The quality of players that we have, Bermuda should have never given us any problems. We don't even need a coach on the bench to beat Bermuda.

This only shows that we are putting the wrong team on the field.

Maybe the problem is the assistant coach, how much input does Anton have with Maturana decisions.

We do need a quick fix fast!!

Before we go there ...the quality of players that we have ?? have you been following football on the world scene ? ...you see England in the Euro Championships ? You see the results during the championships ? Just who are these quality players of whom you speak ? The team is largely a local team sparsed with a few overseas players .....
In today's football you cannot underate anyone my friend !
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 25, 2008, 11:09:08 AM
Could anyone tell me if Sweden fired their coach after their humiliating 0-0 draw against lowly T&T?
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Coop's on June 25, 2008, 11:54:11 AM
People, all yuh need to get off Maturana's back. He getting blame because he didn't pick we favorites. Maturana is not the reason we lost the first game Stern and Scotland are - they throw away goals, is simply as that. I can't believe that some ah all yuh want to go to 2010 WC with the 2006 team - ah team that ketch the ass to qualify, and we strikers older and slower - Stern is a loafer, and as much as I respect what he has done for our country over the years, and I do see him as a footballing hero, let the man focus on his club career, and past the baton.

Coop's is correct, we are not always willing to give our coaches the opportunity to work with their charges. Building a team is an on-going process. Is almost like we expect miracles from our coaches. I for one am happy with Maturana simply because he's willing to work with the home based, something Beenie and Wim weren't willing to do. Our footballing future is dependent on our home based, believe it or not - our past proved that. Our nation's footballing glory did not begin with WC 2006, It began decades before.

Having a team full of foreign based will never guarantee any WC spot. What will guarantee it is a team training together constantly. All yuh fail to realize that even with our foreign based we were finding it difficult to defeat other CFU teams full of local players , coached by local coaches, and no pro league. As I have said before quality players doesn't always translate into a quality team. Our country was defeating other Caribbean teams without challenge decades ago simply because our teams were training together all the time - Mexico and the USA are perfect examples.

We may not like Maturana's picks, but we must remember that we do not have a National football philosophy like other major footballing nations, so we are dependent on the philosophy of each coach we hire. I have a question - Given the opportunity to select 3 T&T players to recommend to Aston Villa during their visit years ago, how many would have recommended Yorke? 

Men asking for Beenie and Wim to come back, I don't want them back - they with all their experience did absolutely nothing to assist our local football, they dogged our league and local players, and never saw it fit to make quality suggestions, they were leeches, just like their pay-master.
      You could not have said it any better,WELL SAID!  :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: grskywalker on June 25, 2008, 12:09:03 PM
Ah hear Zico leave Ferenbache, maybe we should try to grab him up
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on June 25, 2008, 12:27:08 PM
People, all yuh need to get off Maturana's back. He getting blame because he didn't pick we favorites. Maturana is not the reason we lost the first game Stern and Scotland are - they throw away goals, is simply as that. I can't believe that some ah all yuh want to go to 2010 WC with the 2006 team - ah team that ketch the ass to qualify, and we strikers older and slower - Stern is a loafer, and as much as I respect what he has done for our country over the years, and I do see him as a footballing hero, let the man focus on his club career, and past the baton.

Coop's is correct, we are not always willing to give our coaches the opportunity to work with their charges. Building a team is an on-going process. Is almost like we expect miracles from our coaches. I for one am happy with Maturana simply because he's willing to work with the home based, something Beenie and Wim weren't willing to do. Our footballing future is dependent on our home based, believe it or not - our past proved that. Our nation's footballing glory did not begin with WC 2006, It began decades before.

Having a team full of foreign based will never guarantee any WC spot. What will guarantee it is a team training together constantly. All yuh fail to realize that even with our foreign based we were finding it difficult to defeat other CFU teams full of local players , coached by local coaches, and no pro league. As I have said before quality players doesn't always translate into a quality team. Our country was defeating other Caribbean teams without challenge decades ago simply because our teams were training together all the time - Mexico and the USA are perfect examples.

We may not like Maturana's picks, but we must remember that we do not have a National football philosophy like other major footballing nations, so we are dependent on the philosophy of each coach we hire. I have a question - Given the opportunity to select 3 T&T players to recommend to Aston Villa during their visit years ago, how many would have recommended Yorke? 

Men asking for Beenie and Wim to come back, I don't want them back - they with all their experience did absolutely nothing to assist our local football, they dogged our league and local players, and never saw it fit to make quality suggestions, they were leeches, just like their pay-master.
      You could not have said it any better,WELL SAID!  :beermug: :beermug:

Copps Baygo boy,nuff respect.

Im my opinion, if Dr Pacho cannot make his own decisions in who to pick, in who HE truly wants to see play in what ever spot, then i have little respect for him. If he is truly a professional, he would respectfully tell TTFF to back the eff off with respect to the selections.  to me, the fact that it appares that he is incapable o doing that, means he is lacking some leadership qualities, and I dare say we have the wrong chief in the hut.

We need a new professional chief who making his own decisions, and picking who ever he want to effin pick, and know how to tell TTFF to backoff.

Mr Maturana, is not that man. At least, so it seams.. As a result, he hadda go, I dont believe in him..  >:(

But allyuh doh kill me tho, I just giving my POV
Title: Re: Time For Maturana To Go!!!!
Post by: oconnorg on June 25, 2008, 12:32:24 PM
Could anyone tell me if Sweden fired their coach after their humiliating 0-0 draw against lowly T&T?

If they did, I would not blame them...  :beermug:
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: elan on June 25, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
People, all yuh need to get off Maturana's back. He getting blame because he didn't pick we favorites. Maturana is not the reason we lost the first game Stern and Scotland are - they throw away goals, is simply as that. I can't believe that some ah all yuh want to go to 2010 WC with the 2006 team - ah team that ketch the ass to qualify, and we strikers older and slower - Stern is a loafer, and as much as I respect what he has done for our country over the years, and I do see him as a footballing hero, let the man focus on his club career, and past the baton.

Coop's is correct, we are not always willing to give our coaches the opportunity to work with their charges. Building a team is an on-going process. Is almost like we expect miracles from our coaches. I for one am happy with Maturana simply because he's willing to work with the home based, something Beenie and Wim weren't willing to do. Our footballing future is dependent on our home based, believe it or not - our past proved that. Our nation's footballing glory did not begin with WC 2006, It began decades before.

Having a team full of foreign based will never guarantee any WC spot. What will guarantee it is a team training together constantly. All yuh fail to realize that even with our foreign based we were finding it difficult to defeat other CFU teams full of local players , coached by local coaches, and no pro league. As I have said before quality players doesn't always translate into a quality team. Our country was defeating other Caribbean teams without challenge decades ago simply because our teams were training together all the time - Mexico and the USA are perfect examples.

We may not like Maturana's picks, but we must remember that we do not have a National football philosophy like other major footballing nations, so we are dependent on the philosophy of each coach we hire. I have a question - Given the opportunity to select 3 T&T players to recommend to Aston Villa during their visit years ago, how many would have recommended Yorke? 

Men asking for Beenie and Wim to come back, I don't want them back - they with all their experience did absolutely nothing to assist our local football, they dogged our league and local players, and never saw it fit to make quality suggestions, they were leeches, just like their pay-master.

What is Maturana doing to assist local football? The fellas he picking eh learn nothing yet so let me hear yuh. What.... he give the locals a try? The USA give the locals a try vs B'dos they score 1 goal, you think you seeing all those players in the next rounds? I hope alyuh go be happy with the locals if we don't make it to the  HEX. 

Alyuh keep losing the plot and apparently cannot diffrentiate between club ball and national team. THE ONLY?/MAJOR OBJECTIVE OF A NATIONAL TEAM IS TO WIN. There is no two ways about it. The national team is the pinnacle of your footballing experience. IT IS AN ELITIST ORGANIZATION, NOT A PLACE TO DEVELOP SHYTE HOUNDS. Not saying the players now are not good but, we keep talking about giving chances, what the hell. You get your chance when you play at your club to prove yourself, not on the national team.

Stop accepting and falling for mediocrity, it is not healthy for anyone. We were horrible in both legs of the Bermuda game and you all need to stop making excuses for shyte. Be all patriotic and support blindly. Sheep mentality, freaking hell. I really can't understand grown people talking mess all the time and feel if they talk longer and louder they right, go so with that. That's why you does see so many mothers and fathers on tv saying he was such a good boy he never use to go no way, the police set him up.

Open yuh eyes and wipe the yampee. The players not ready for the next level, and the coaching staff is very suspect. Deal with it and stop talking arse.
Title: Re: Suggestions to Maturana
Post by: Baygo Boy on June 25, 2008, 08:11:12 PM
Elan, didn't Stern and Scotland throw away about 7 plus goals in the first leg? They (we so-called big players) cost us the match (apparently they need to learn some more). Our inexperienced shit hound (as you called them) midfielders got the ball to them and they couldn't score (the local shithounds did their jobs). It is clear that all you care about is getting to the WC, I on the other hand care about T&T football across the board, not just the national team.

Would you agree that our so-called big players had a hard time beating CFU teams? I am not loyal to any coach, but I am a "big picture" person, and I, unlike you know that the future of T&T football begins with our home based, and not the overseas players. Where were you when we didn't have players overseas, were you a fan then?

Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: Midknight on July 02, 2008, 03:28:32 PM
I give Maturana 3 more games , then I will criticise or praise.

You get yuh 3 games (Jamaica, Bermuda and Bermuda)

What is yuh verdict now?
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: weary1969 on July 02, 2008, 06:57:03 PM
Best coach ever it takes a level of brillance dat oui cyah understand 2 debut d 3-5-2 in a WCQ
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: fishs on July 02, 2008, 11:17:51 PM
I give Maturana 3 more games , then I will criticise or praise.

You get yuh 3 games (Jamaica, Bermuda and Bermuda)

What is yuh verdict now?

What Nappy song ? Bring back the old time days.

 Give Gally the job now.
Title: Re: Speak up, Maturana, Who is the Warrior chief ?
Post by: WestCoast on July 03, 2008, 02:36:34 AM
I give Maturana 3 more games , then I will criticise or praise.
You get yuh 3 games (Jamaica, Bermuda and Bermuda)
What is yuh verdict now?
What Nappy song ? Bring back the old time days.
Give Gally the job now.
dats the way Fishs
and if they dont hire Gally, blame Wim ;D :D
Title: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: royal on August 15, 2008, 09:45:13 PM
Stern slams Maturana's management.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


Unprofessional !

Southampton FC striker and Trinidad and Tobago's all-time record scorer Stern John yesterday slammed the unprofessional approach of the present national coaching staff after being left out the team without any official explanation.

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) contacted Southampton, an English Championship Division club, early this month to request John's services for their 2010 World Cup qualifying fixture away to Cuba on August 20. However, John was stunned to receive a text message during the week from someone within the T&TFF-but not a member of the coaching staff-who said that national coach Francisco Maturana did not want him.

The prolific striker, whose international tally of 69 goals is sixth best of any striker who played the game and more than double the returns of any compatriot, got confirmation of his omission by the media rather than the T&TFF.

"I don't mind being left out (because) that is part of the game," John told the Express. "But the way they handled it was completely unprofessional. They sent a fax out to my manager a week and a half ago saying they wanted me and then someone sent me a text a couple nights ago saying they didn't want me to come back.

"They haven't told me anything yet Not even a phone call or a text or an email just to say 'Stern, this is the situation'.

"After all the years I served my country with honour, it is just about respect."

Neither Maturana nor the T&TFF explained John's exclusion for the Cuba qualifier. John scored the lone goal in a 2-1 qualifying home loss to Bermuda in June but was shocked to lose his starting position for the return leg. John came off the bench to grab the decisive goal as the "Soca Warriors" overcame Bermuda 2-0 and advanced on goal aggregate.

It was John's first taste of the man-management style of the present coaching staff and he was less than impressed. At present, David Muhammad holds the post of team manager, which usually includes the responsibility of ensuring the national players' well-being.

"They have no clue about player management," said the 31-year-old John. "(In Britain) once you are a senior player, the manager pulls you aside a couple days before (the game) and says I am going to leave you out this weekend or I am going to start you on the bench. This is how we are accustomed to things being done in the professional world

"It is embarrassing for a senior player to be treated like this."

John and Maturana, a two-time World Cup coach with his native Colombia, got off to a bad start in the latter's first game in charge against Guadeloupe in February.

The coach asked Densill Theobald to captain the team but, before kick off, the midfielder passed the armband to his 2006 World Cup teammate. Both players were substituted at halftime and Maturana dropped Theobald for five months for not following his instructions.

John insisted that neither he nor Theobald meant to disrespect the coach and too much was made of the episode.

"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

He accepts that his services may no longer be required although he is not yet ready to retire from the international game.

"I had a fantastic career for Trinidad and Tobago," said John, "and going to the World Cup was a dream come through.

"Marvin (Andrews) and I were talking about it recently because we were there from under-16 when there was no travelling (allowance) or free boots. All we would get was a box lunch to play for your country. But to get to the World Cup was worth the sacrifice.

"I was one of the players who, whenever he got called up, was always there no matter what the situation. I always put my country first.

"If it ends here, I will obviously be disappointed but I had a fantastic career and I enjoyed every minute of it If I have taken my country as far as I can, then so be it."
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Bakes on August 15, 2008, 10:00:18 PM
If that's how it went down... then dat's the height of unprofessionalism fuh real.  But is de TTFF... so I guess it's to be expected.  Lasana seem to be fomenting thing doh, by saying that "Stern slams Maturana's management"... if he saying is de team manager's responsibility to communicate with him... how is that Maturana's short-coming?  Seems like Mohammed drop de ball... or is it Mats responsibility to personally inform the (senior) players?


also... ah wonder if Stern (or his agent) try contacting them to confirm the situation?
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Dinner Mints on August 15, 2008, 10:05:25 PM
That might be it for Stern under Maturana. We done see Pacho is a man does hold grudge.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: WestCoast on August 15, 2008, 10:09:56 PM
"Stern slams Maturana's management"
Stern is ultimately putting the whole management responsibility of the team in the lap of Mats and is therefore is the reason for his exclusion.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 15, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
So who say dat he asked 2 b released. Dey text d man oui. Ah luv it copyright senor Samuel
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Quags on August 15, 2008, 10:13:14 PM
 :rotfl: lash them stern  :whip: .But take care men get vex for dissing muturana lol
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Peong on August 15, 2008, 10:18:08 PM
On top of not selecting him, they go and do this assness.
What these fellas really doin boy.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: freakazoid on August 15, 2008, 10:21:03 PM
 :rotfl: :'( :rotfl: :'( :rotfl: :'( :rotfl: :'(
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on August 15, 2008, 11:33:12 PM
 ??? ??? ???

Anybody know who Cornel Glen's agent is?
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: NUFF on August 16, 2008, 12:14:45 AM
I was trying hard to reserve judgment about Maturana as head coach of T&T but wid this whole dropping Stern he just lost points in my book.  Ah could understand even if he doh start de man but to drop him completely?  Especially when he score in both games so far.  Blasted madman move.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 12:19:28 AM
D droppin bad enough but d textin boi dat 1 real hard 2 swallow
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: vb on August 16, 2008, 02:10:48 AM
No stern no scotland???  :o
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Brownsugar on August 16, 2008, 05:02:42 AM
What de arse??!!.... :o  Wait till SM see this!!! :cursing: :cursing:
Mih eh know big Stern fan, but until somebody in de TTFF/Maturana say that Stern damn lie, he mad, he make up de story, he just vex cuz he eh get pick etc. etc.   THIS IS SOME MAJOR  :bs: :bs:
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 16, 2008, 06:04:02 AM
Stern's stance on Pacho's decision to eliminate him from the squad might be right depending on how one wants to look at it because we don't know the real reason for it,if what he is stating here is unprofessional especially where he explained how it's done at the professional level,i wonder how it's done when a Coach gives a player the captain's armband could he just give it to any one on the team to do the job?i should think that's very unprofessional,some peeps think Pacho is very petty for being upset over what these guys did but i think that's utter disrespect and any Coach would be upset with that,i've always said there are guys on there that have a i know more than the Coach attitude and i think Pacho is just letting everybody know who is in charge because at the end of the day it's his team,since this Coach came on board he has been under pressure to prove himself from the players,public etc etc peeps on here are still calling for him to go,it's not easy to come into a situation where you have to learn people's culture,language,players,incorporate your style of play/plan,the TTFF how they operate etc etc in such a short space of time,i think Anton has done quite a good job supporting him because who knows where we would be.

I think Coaches today are under a lot more pressure because there seem to be a pattern,certain things that used to be kept within the team are now being made public,players are washing there dirty laundry in public,once a player don't get called/selected he going to the newspapers/reporters/anyone he can find to highlight his case,it's something i have not seen as yet with our Women and Youth teams.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: dinho on August 16, 2008, 06:13:37 AM
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From +8686857744, 2:07am UK:

ay stern. no need svcs 4 cuba game nxt wed.
want plyr who run fast and no stand up lol. siempre su amigo, pacho.
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Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Anbrat on August 16, 2008, 06:15:06 AM
"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

If Stern sees nothing wrong with what he and Theobald did with the armband, then he shud be consistent and see nothing wrong with the "unprofessional" approach of the TTFF/Maturana. In all fairness, he shud have also commented on what would have been the outcome if he had pulled the armband stunt in Britain.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Brownsugar on August 16, 2008, 06:26:07 AM
"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

If Stern sees nothing wrong with what he and Theobald did with the armband, then he shud be consistent and see nothing wrong with the "unprofessional" approach of the TTFF/Maturana. In all fairness, he shud have also commented on what would have been the outcome if he had pulled the armband stunt in Britain.

IF that's what is eating Maturana, well at least tell de man dat....2 professionals behaving unprofessionally.....lord help we....is really ah bunch ah chirren we dealing with yes...Hunt/Jackula and now dis....*sigh* steups....
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Brownsugar on August 16, 2008, 06:27:09 AM
1 Message Received

From +8686857744, 2:07am UK:

ay stern. no need svcs 4 cuba game nxt wed.
want plyr who run fast and no stand up lol. siempre su amigo, pacho.
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 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Omar yuh very idle.... ;D
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 06:34:34 AM
Coops u drop ah man 4 givin up d armband  dat is u rite but as a coach what is d purpose of at u being discipline. U cyah learn from it if u eh know dat u being discipline. As 4 being under pressure d only peeps givin he pressure is we d bitter fans lLisana and d Fearless 1 compare 2 alll d haters with Beenie and meh man Wim.

D only baggage he have is dat he is selected by Alvin.

Somebody post Omar respond in memorable quotes
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 16, 2008, 06:39:08 AM
"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

If Stern sees nothing wrong with what he and Theobald did with the armband, then he shud be consistent and see nothing wrong with the "unprofessional" approach of the TTFF/Maturana. In all fairness, he shud have also commented on what would have been the outcome if he had pulled the armband stunt in Britain.

IF that's what is eating Maturana, well at least tell de man dat....2 professionals behaving unprofessionally.....lord help we....is really ah bunch ah chirren we dealing with yes...Hunt/Jackula and now dis....*sigh* steups....
     You are correct but Stern is the one that's going public with his statements,we have not heard anything so far from Pacho which suppose to be the other side of the storey,some how i feel that's not the only cause for Stern not being selected because that is too petty,it's more to do with his game.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: dinho on August 16, 2008, 06:41:16 AM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Bianconeri on August 16, 2008, 06:50:30 AM
This stuff aint surprising at all...but Coops...the 2 situations on diff. levels jed

the armband thing is petty compared to what they do Stern if it is true.
Yes it is a bit disrespectful to do that to the coach. Most probably Maturana was trying to use Theobald as an example and show that he not takin shit...
i still tink Maturana blow that outta proportion though.

And stern jus fed up i guess...all the shit bout the TTFF and teh WC payments...now this? and he's a proven member of the team for how long?

is one thing not to give a man like...Akile Edwards(random name), but to drop it on Stern like that...if it true......that is f'd up!!

plus d man buss d net in d last couple games??!?! steupssssssssss
overhaul needed at TTFF...damn f**kas
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 16, 2008, 06:54:26 AM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
     I don't think i said anything different to what you said is just that you tried making it look like you are making a joke and i am just trying to figure out what might be going on,but i respect what you have to say as the expert on here.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: KND2 on August 16, 2008, 06:56:42 AM
This is where the foreign coach thing is a disadvantage. Culture is a part of football as it is a part of life.

Maturana see it as disrespect Theobald see it as an honor to give it to the most senior man. If we had a head coach who was familiar with our culture he may not have reacted in that way.

For Maturana this Guadeloupe game was a big deal for the average Trini player this was a piece of shit game to get a free trip home for the carnival.

Let get real here with what we talking bout.

You could complain all you what about what is right and what is wrong but facts is facts.

We have a laxed attitude to most things in life including who wears the armband for a fete match in the oval.

You see it from the players
You see it from the TTFF management (how many different teams we was going to play before it end up being Guadeloupe.
You see it in the fans, no body even show up for the game

And now you have a coach who trying to expect seriousness in a world surronding by jokers. The end result is Misunderstanding!


Call it want you want, You dont grow up wineing for carnival every year and then all of a sudden a man show up and ask you to only dance salsa. what you think go happen


There is no right and wrong in the world only point of View.


Stern should have never been drop.

But also Stern should not expect any kind of letter or anything because he knows how the TTFF operates.

When was the last time a player get a letter from the TTFF saying they not on the squad. Stern been around long enough to know the deal.

He just throwing stones in the media but that is fine

He will be back on the squad by the US game.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 07:02:28 AM
KND it eh have nutten 2 do wit culture a clown is a clown is ah clown and we national coach sah clown. U eh go play a man 4 mths because he hand over d captincy drop him from being captin if u want. Y d man who keep d band was allowed 2 continue playin
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 16, 2008, 07:02:35 AM
Doe take no tie up.... Dis is the work of ANTON AND ALVIN CORNEAL....

Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: dinho on August 16, 2008, 07:03:32 AM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
      I don't think i said anything different to what you said is just that you tried making it look like you are making a joke and i am just trying to figure out what might be going on,but i respect what you have to say as the expert on here.

breds me eh no expert, is not like i have any kinda experience or credentials..

but you moving like ah spin doctor as usual, trying to twist the clearly unprofessional and borderline embarassing actions of the TTFF on to Stern. 

I dont know much about your history or experiences, and sometimes its really good to hear your stance especially given that it doesn't get lost in the mob mentality on here; but other times it really does seem like yuh putting forward an agenda. Better dan dat nuh man.

Plain and simple thats not the way to treat your heroes. Stern deserves much better than that.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: andre samuel on August 16, 2008, 07:04:11 AM
"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

If Stern sees nothing wrong with what he and Theobald did with the armband, then he shud be consistent and see nothing wrong with the "unprofessional" approach of the TTFF/Maturana. In all fairness, he shud have also commented on what would have been the outcome if he had pulled the armband stunt in Britain.

Good point!!

Imagine if Roy Keene give Carlos Edwards de armband for a game and in de tunnel, he just hand it to Yorke and tell him that he is the most senior.

There are always three sides to every story........and i will be patient!!

ah love it!!


nb: Lisana strikes again!!
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: g on August 16, 2008, 07:05:18 AM
This is where the foreign coach thing is a disadvantage. Culture is a part of football as it is a part of life.

Maturana see it as disrespect Theobald see it as an honor to give it to the most senior man. If we had a head coach who was familiar with our culture he may not have reacted in that way.

For Maturana this Guadeloupe game was a big deal for the average Trini player this was a piece of shit game to get a free trip home for the carnival.

Let get real here with what we talking bout.

You could complain all you what about what is right and what is wrong but facts is facts.

We have a laxed attitude to most things in life including who wears the armband for a fete match in the oval.

You see it from the players
You see it from the TTFF management (how many different teams we was going to play before it end up being Guadeloupe.
You see it in the fans, no body even show up for the game

And now you have a coach who trying to expect seriousness in a world surronding by jokers. The end result is Misunderstanding!


Call it want you want, You dont grow up wineing for carnival every year and then all of a sudden a man show up and ask you to only dance salsa. what you think go happen


There is no right and wrong in the world only point of View.


Stern should have never been drop.

But also Stern should not expect any kind of letter or anything because he knows how the TTFF operates.

When was the last time a player get a letter from the TTFF saying they not on the squad. Stern been around long enough to know the deal.

He just throwing stones in the media but that is fine

He will be back on the squad by the US game.


When has Stern ever not been selected when fully fit?

I can't recall any situation, this is indeed very new to him
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Brownsugar on August 16, 2008, 07:08:10 AM
nb: Lisana strikes again!!

......and because of him we have at least one side of the story....
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 16, 2008, 07:11:10 AM
KND it eh have nutten 2 do wit culture a clown is a clown is ah clown and we national coach sah clown. U eh go play a man 4 mths because he hand over d captincy drop him from being captin if u want. Y d man who keep d band was allowed 2 continue playin
       I think this should tell us something Weary,may be it's not the armband it's his playing.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: freakazoid on August 16, 2008, 07:12:25 AM
"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

If Stern sees nothing wrong with what he and Theobald did with the armband, then he shud be consistent and see nothing wrong with the "unprofessional" approach of the TTFF/Maturana. In all fairness, he shud have also commented on what would have been the outcome if he had pulled the armband stunt in Britain.

Good point!!

Imagine if Roy Keene give Carlos Edwards de armband for a game and in de tunnel, he just hand it to Yorke and tell him that he is the most senior.

There are always three sides to every story........and i will be patient!!

ah love it!!


nb: Lisana strikes again!!

then shouldnnt theobald be the one 2 feel the wrath of the manager
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 07:20:56 AM
I agree dat d man eh settin d world a fire and if he eh playin because he is a hound I could live wit dat but it eh have no way 2 spin d armband ting
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Weh-it-is on August 16, 2008, 07:34:28 AM
1 Message Received

From +8686857744, 2:07am UK:

ay stern. no need svcs 4 cuba game nxt wed.
want plyr who run fast and no stand up lol. siempre su amigo, pacho.
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Ah now wake up and ah fall off meh bed with this one.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Ah tell alyuh they go beat SJ. LOL People does forget that thee coach ent know how to speak English, so it go be kinda hard to call up ah man or even sent him ah proper pink slip. I believe that its just a communication problem...I could help them with that...just look at thee bottom ah meh page. ;D Ah have ah phone weh yuh could see people so yuh could read lips and hand signals it works by high speed internet. So yuh could geh thee idea by video. We at least need him on thee bench…he still serviceable. :)

Oh yeah and as fuh Pascho or wha ever he name is...some people are stuck in their  ways. We know of some ah them one ah them in yuh family. :o The only way they know of getting a message across is by being stubborn and that might have been a result of why Theobald geh ah four month ban. We can only assume what really going with that team none of us really know what going on. Stay tuned!
 
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: injunchile on August 16, 2008, 07:40:53 AM
There is no right or wrong in the world only a point of view.
 PLease- You cant be serious. A hungry man comes to your home and eats all your food. Rape your wife as he views her as tasty and there is no right or wrong. A man enters your home and place a gun to your head and says KND drop your pants- I guess that's just a point of view.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: sub1 on August 16, 2008, 07:54:19 AM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
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Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: lickslikefire on August 16, 2008, 07:57:07 AM
All this talk about different points of view and why he get drop is chupidness.

Bottom line: Stern deserves more than a f@cking text.  

Hate him nor love him, he's one of our TNT footballing heros.  The man deserve more than that.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 07:59:36 AM
Well is d 21st C so u no longer fire by fax is text in Coops time it was via smoke signal.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: morvant on August 16, 2008, 08:03:17 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

yuh cyar text ah man and tell him that especially if he now score in the last 2 competitive games
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 08:20:24 AM
U cyah text a man period
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: AB.Trini on August 16, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
Is it possible that  Maturana is attempting to instill a form of DISCIPLINE  in our approach, our attitude and our perspective to the game?

Not knowing the reasons for Stern's omission leaves too much room for speculation and accusations based on uninformed contextual  knowledge.

Question: Is it up to the coach to inform the player or is that  the manager's portfolio?

It appears that if the coach is in fact attempting to instill a form of discipline and professionalism to how we conduct business, then it must also be done at all levels of the organization.

Iknow there is no obligation for the public to know the reasons but until there is more transperency and disclosure all we doing is speculating.
My humble opinions
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: truetrini on August 16, 2008, 08:41:00 AM
what is so surprising about this?  Really?

When Bertille was the coach, he find out Beenie replace he on de radio.

lol
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: g on August 16, 2008, 09:02:16 AM
what is so surprising about this?  Really?

When Bertille was the coach, he find out Beenie replace he on de radio.

lol

Fuh real
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: sammy on August 16, 2008, 09:13:24 AM
what is so surprising about this?  Really?

When Bertille was the coach, he find out Beenie replace he on de radio.

lol

 :rotfl:

see, at least stern get a text :rotfl:
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: arrow on August 16, 2008, 09:17:48 AM
when you bad talk Pacho in Public we ent seeing Stern for the rest of the campaign...just ask Guerra
unless Yorke tell Jack to bring him back
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Savannah boy on August 16, 2008, 09:21:37 AM
Stern international career eh done.  Maturana probably believe we could beat Cuba without him.  He go bring in Stern for bigger games.  Stern have to work hard as Cornell Glenn doing well and when KJ come back, we go have a good selection problem in de future.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: frico on August 16, 2008, 09:26:58 AM
You dont need to bring culture into this arguement,the fact is Maturana asked Densil to captain the team and Densil in turn gave the captaincy to Stern,if that is not undermining you as coach then tell me what that is.It still doesn't alter the fact that we are playing without one of our most experienced forwards but we have very good replacements for this match.I personally feel that we are playing the right front men for this Cuba match  and John is sure to be back.I still cannot believe that John was left out for that reason coz he played for TT after that,if Glen and Roberts put on a good show Stern would find it hard to get back that spot.Wouldn't it be a good idea for Stern to send Maturana a fax saying that he is sorry if what happened showed any disrespect to him because it was never meant to be disrespect.When our Prime MINISTER leaves the country he gives the job to someone while he is away,how do you think he would feel if that someone gives the job to another without consulting him.Regardless of what match you play you should not undermine yuh boss or seem to have done so.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 09:34:02 AM
Fax 4 what d coach ever talk 2 Stern bout d issue. What he go say in d fax ah read in Fuentes press release dat Denzil eh play 4 nuff months because he give me d armband Ash Wed. If that is d case can we discuss what happen.

Y D Coach did not address d matter Ash Wed after d game is ah set ah lil boi ting
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Fyzoman on August 16, 2008, 10:12:43 AM
Doe take no tie up.... Dis is the work of ANTON AND ALVIN CORNEAL....



Thnak u very effing much, ah reading thru all de post dem and waiting for somebody to hit the effing nail on de head!!!!!!
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: palos on August 16, 2008, 10:37:47 AM
So leh we examine dis situation:

Stern get drop from de team.

De team was officially announced on Thursday so dat is de absolute latest dat de decision to drop Stern could have taken place

We did play El Salvador on Thursday too.  So leh we say de team got selected on Wednesday.

TTFF have to contact Stern re: the dropping.  Dis is an organisation that cannot organise a fork in a ho house

No surprise dey.  

BUT

So many tings could have gone on.  They could have tried to contact Stern by phone, left messages dat perhaps weren't picked up, sent an email that could have been caught in a spam filter.  

Is that likely given it's the TTFF?  No.  But is a possibility.  One thing we know for sure, nobody from TTFF was goin to fly to England to personally give him de news.  

So while Stern might be correct re: the lack of professionalism, what would have been the correct or appropriate means of communicating that his services were not required for the Cuba game IF they had tried and failed to contact him by phone?

Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: morvant on August 16, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
palos when they want them men they does contact the club

they could've done that
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 10:53:23 AM
Correck Morvant dey contact d club 2 get him so contact d club if u eh want him.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Midknight on August 16, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
TTFF have to contact Stern re: the dropping.  Dis is an organisation that cannot organise a fork in a ho house

What bout Spoons?
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 12:09:46 PM
Another memorable 1 dey midnight
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: palos on August 16, 2008, 12:19:41 PM
palos when they want them men they does contact the club

they could've done that

So de club would contact Stern and say....aye Stern....TTFF say dey eh need yuh fuh de Cuba game again.

If I was Stern, I woulda wonder why dem couldn't contact me deyself.  Why dey gettin de club to do dem dutty wuk fuh dem. 

But daz jes me.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: frico on August 16, 2008, 12:46:54 PM
I can see what yuh saying Weary69 but for de good of Trinidad Stern could pretend dat he not sure and use ah lil bit ah psychology,yuh know how badly I want TT TO GO AFRICA.SOMETIME YUH HAVE TO STOOP TO CONQUER.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Bakes on August 16, 2008, 12:53:59 PM
"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

If Stern sees nothing wrong with what he and Theobald did with the armband, then he shud be consistent and see nothing wrong with the "unprofessional" approach of the TTFF/Maturana. In all fairness, he shud have also commented on what would have been the outcome if he had pulled the armband stunt in Britain.

Good point!!

Imagine if Roy Keene give Carlos Edwards de armband for a game and in de tunnel, he just hand it to Yorke and tell him that he is the most senior.

There are always three sides to every story........and i will be patient!!

ah love it!!


nb: Lisana strikes again!!

I agree that Lasana was slightly less than impartial here in how he spun this story.  That said, I don't see what the arm band thing have to do with anything.  That was Theobald's error and he paid for it... I'd really be surprised and disappointed if this is some residual grudge that is being visited on Stern here.

Absent of more, I'm with holding judgment... but regardless, the manner of communication is poor.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: truetrini on August 16, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
So leh we examine dis situation:

Stern get drop from de team.

De team was officially announced on Thursday so dat is de absolute latest dat de decision to drop Stern could have taken place

We did play El Salvador on Thursday too.  So leh we say de team got selected on Wednesday.

TTFF have to contact Stern re: the dropping.  Dis is an organisation that cannot organise a fork in a ho house

No surprise dey.  

BUT

So many tings could have gone on.  They could have tried to contact Stern by phone, left messages dat perhaps weren't picked up, sent an email that could have been caught in a spam filter.  

Is that likely given it's the TTFF?  No.  But is a possibility.  One thing we know for sure, nobody from TTFF was goin to fly to England to personally give him de news.  

So while Stern might be correct re: the lack of professionalism, what would have been the correct or appropriate means of communicating that his services were not required for the Cuba game IF they had tried and failed to contact him by phone?



So they contacted his manager by fax to ask for him, the very least the f**kers could do is send ah fax to he manager saying we withdrawing de request for Stern.

steups.

Quote
"I don't mind being left out (because) that is part of the game," John told the Express. "But the way they handled it was completely unprofessional. They sent a fax out to my manager a week and a half ago saying they wanted me and then someone sent me a text a couple nights ago saying they didn't want me to come back.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: SUPA on August 16, 2008, 03:52:21 PM
Stern slams Maturana's management.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


Unprofessional !

Southampton FC striker and Trinidad and Tobago's all-time record scorer Stern John yesterday slammed the unprofessional approach of the present national coaching staff after being left out the team without any official explanation.

The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) contacted Southampton, an English Championship Division club, early this month to request John's services for their 2010 World Cup qualifying fixture away to Cuba on August 20. However, John was stunned to receive a text message during the week from someone within the T&TFF-but not a member of the coaching staff-who said that national coach Francisco Maturana did not want him.

The prolific striker, whose international tally of 69 goals is sixth best of any striker who played the game and more than double the returns of any compatriot, got confirmation of his omission by the media rather than the T&TFF.

"I don't mind being left out (because) that is part of the game," John told the Express. "But the way they handled it was completely unprofessional. They sent a fax out to my manager a week and a half ago saying they wanted me and then someone sent me a text a couple nights ago saying they didn't want me to come back.

"They haven't told me anything yet Not even a phone call or a text or an email just to say 'Stern, this is the situation'.

"After all the years I served my country with honour, it is just about respect."

Neither Maturana nor the T&TFF explained John's exclusion for the Cuba qualifier. John scored the lone goal in a 2-1 qualifying home loss to Bermuda in June but was shocked to lose his starting position for the return leg. John came off the bench to grab the decisive goal as the "Soca Warriors" overcame Bermuda 2-0 and advanced on goal aggregate.

It was John's first taste of the man-management style of the present coaching staff and he was less than impressed. At present, David Muhammad holds the post of team manager, which usually includes the responsibility of ensuring the national players' well-being.

"They have no clue about player management," said the 31-year-old John. "(In Britain) once you are a senior player, the manager pulls you aside a couple days before (the game) and says I am going to leave you out this weekend or I am going to start you on the bench. This is how we are accustomed to things being done in the professional world

"It is embarrassing for a senior player to be treated like this."

John and Maturana, a two-time World Cup coach with his native Colombia, got off to a bad start in the latter's first game in charge against Guadeloupe in February.

The coach asked Densill Theobald to captain the team but, before kick off, the midfielder passed the armband to his 2006 World Cup teammate. Both players were substituted at halftime and Maturana dropped Theobald for five months for not following his instructions.

John insisted that neither he nor Theobald meant to disrespect the coach and too much was made of the episode.

"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

He accepts that his services may no longer be required although he is not yet ready to retire from the international game.

"I had a fantastic career for Trinidad and Tobago," said John, "and going to the World Cup was a dream come through.

"Marvin (Andrews) and I were talking about it recently because we were there from under-16 when there was no travelling (allowance) or free boots. All we would get was a box lunch to play for your country. But to get to the World Cup was worth the sacrifice.

"I was one of the players who, whenever he got called up, was always there no matter what the situation. I always put my country first.

"If it ends here, I will obviously be disappointed but I had a fantastic career and I enjoyed every minute of it If I have taken my country as far as I can, then so be it."

                                                    Bowl eight fuh all ah dem


Whether T&T qualify fuh 2010 (best of luck T&T) under Maturana yes or no. I will say dis and stick tuh meh words, let Maturana and comapany hul dey stinking rotten MC. KROSS, CLICK-CLICK.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Big Magician on August 16, 2008, 05:07:58 PM
Thanks SUPA...yuh save meh some typing dey
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Dutty on August 16, 2008, 05:13:17 PM
1 Message Received

From +8686857744, 2:07am UK:

ay stern. no need svcs 4 cuba game nxt wed.
want plyr who run fast and no stand up lol. siempre su amigo, pacho.
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I now see dis oui  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: 7 blessings on August 16, 2008, 05:39:47 PM
Wrong is wrong and to deal with a player who give us so many years ah service is wrong....I eh have no big problem with he gettin drop..everybody time does pass eventually; but ah textg message?? Nah man daiy real slackness....and dat real embarassing to drop a veteran in that manner....wonder wah effect dis fiasco havin on the rest of the team tryin to mentally prepare for Cuba...dis could be a little unsettling..hope we keep it together.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Babalawo on August 16, 2008, 06:00:58 PM
if Trinidad lose to cuba especially for not scoring goals you think Maturana feeling pressure now?
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: elan on August 16, 2008, 06:13:45 PM
Oneof the younger players who was on the team for the Ash Wednesday game say is Stern who tell Bleeder that he (Stern) is the most senior player on the team and to run the arm band. Bleeder say ok if you want it so bad take it.

At the same time that cannot be a reason 5 months later for dropping a player after he play in games after that incident. Man up and tell the player he to disruptive. Let hope the technical staff doh have to eat their vomit.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: dcs on August 16, 2008, 07:40:22 PM
Oneof the younger players who was on the team for the Ash Wednesday game say is Stern who tell Bleeder that he (Stern) is the most senior player on the team and to run the arm band. Bleeder say ok if you want it so bad take it.

"They passed Theobald the armband and he said I was the most senior man and passed it to me," said John. "I didn't think (Maturana) would take it so personally.."

Clearly the communication between some players and the technical staff is poor...maybe an indication that the relationship between them is also poor.  Just wondering if Stern tried to call the manager before he called Liburd or if this is a way of saying there is bad blood between them and asking people to pick sides.  After this article what really supposed to happen now?  Can't see  the relationship improving unless is a Najar situation lining up again.  Hope they let the technical staff know they don't like the lack of communication when their team mates were dropped in the past without the same courtesy they asking for.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 08:48:56 PM
Well he obviously have d man in low esteem so he eh expectin dat by call Liburd he and d dentist go b pitchin marbles and climbing trees. So Stern demand d armband and Denzil get band. SO another reason y d clown should a just deal wit d issue after d stellar display on Ash Wed and dis would have been a mute pt
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Rastaman on August 16, 2008, 09:10:41 PM
Stern has been and will always be a disruptive player. Remember the situation between he and Glen before the world cup ????
Pacho new so he now find this out. And he ent go take Stern side like the other coaches/JW yes men. How many coaches before had the balls to drop Stern. Just what he needed and it worked before in the final games in qualifying for 2006.

Let we hope this have the same effect and really motivate him to produce.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 16, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
No rasta I eh remember remind meh nah? Dat being said anybody could get drop but u go like a text from yuh employer tellin u doh bother come in today/tmorrow/next wk/next mth. Same ting is like breakin up wit a gyul via text message she go save dat and circulate it 2 all yuh friends and say he eh have d balls 2 tell meh 2 may face we done
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Rastaman on August 16, 2008, 10:27:25 PM
Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: just cool on August 17, 2008, 09:00:28 AM
Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???
Ratsaman  , don't mind WEARY 1969, she have an axe to grind and she doing her job well. there's absolutely nothing you could say about the coaching staff that's remotely positive or complementary that she would respond favorably too, even if they took the team to SA 2010 in the first round of play, she would still find fault.

If i was you i would leave every body to moan and groan, BC last yr we didn't have nobody but bleeder , then we got ince , carlos, stern and lawrence,they still moan and groan, then we get KJ & whitley, boom they still moan and groan where scotty, then we get scotty, they still moan and groan where's me mum, boom we get GLENN,

well where's cyd, me mum and avery , boom we get all three ah dem, then dey moan and groan, how come scotty eh getting picked. now we have the whole WC team with the exception of sancho , andrews, and jack.

and they're still moaning and groaning instead of being thankfull , knowing fully well is ah dictator that's running the show, and God alone know's why he choose to ease up the WC players ah little, and God alone know's for what reason!! whether it's for his own benefit or otherwise.

So i say ALLYUH better thank God for small mercies !! instead of complaining bout things we definitely can't change.                                            POSITIVE.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Anbrat on August 17, 2008, 12:23:34 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
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Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 17, 2008, 12:29:12 PM
Just Cool all yuh in luv wit d Colombian if u check when I join d forum Nov 19th 2005 so all d issues prior 2 Bahrain me eh have a clue so me neva knew what Rasta was talkin bout. So d axe I have 2 grind is in your big dotish head.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 17, 2008, 01:09:57 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
[/b]
Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
         Sub1,Amarldinho if nobdy wants to say it i will,it seems there is a tendancy on here to get me off this forum like they did Slim,is one thing i never do and that is attack people,when people start telling me about going somewhere else like i'm on their website it makes me wonder,the thing is all the people you all hate and don't like in our Football are my friends and that would not change,i don't need this site to get my information,i put things on here on purpose to rile you guys up and you buy it,if Stern John is you all hero he is not mine and that's my personal opinion and view,i have nothing to sell or prove in T&T Football that's for Stern and them to do,i respect you guys and i hope you all would do the same to me in return.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: dinho on August 17, 2008, 01:26:36 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
[/b]
Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
         Sub1,Amarldinho if nobdy wants to say it i will,it seems there is a tendancy on here to get me off this forum like they did Slim,is one thing i never do and that is attack people,when people start telling me about going somewhere else like i'm on their website it makes me wonder,the thing is all the people you all hate and don't like in our Football are my friends and that would not change,i don't need this site to get my information,i put things on here on purpose to rile you guys up and you buy it,if Stern John is you all hero he is not mine and that's my personal opinion and view,i have nothing to sell or prove in T&T Football that's for Stern and them to do,i respect you guys and i hope you all would do the same to me in return.


coops, how does me saying you on shit equate to me attacking you or trying to get you off the forum?  90% of the post i make on this forum i on shit too. What happen you didnt read my next post after?

who could take you off the forum besides the mods?

you's ah big man, and look you just say u does put thing on here on purpose to rile up men, so doh come here with dem long tears when riled up man like sub1 take ah turn in yuh ass.

i say you on shit because i really cyah understand how you could look at the article in this thread with objective eyes and then spin it the way you did and talk bout we eh hear pacho side. Ent the article is about Stern's side of the story??  I eh know whey yuh feel you going with that jokey Carl Hooper-like spin, I seeing de ball big, big.

anyhow, bottom line no disrespect was intended from me but still, yuh was on shit.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: sub1 on August 17, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
[/b]
Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
         Sub1,Amarldinho if nobdy wants to say it i will,it seems there is a tendancy on here to get me off this forum like they did Slim,is one thing i never do and that is attack people,when people start telling me about going somewhere else like i'm on their website it makes me wonder,the thing is all the people you all hate and don't like in our Football are my friends and that would not change,i don't need this site to get my information,i put things on here on purpose to rile you guys up and you buy it,if Stern John is you all hero he is not mine and that's my personal opinion and view,i have nothing to sell or prove in T&T Football that's for Stern and them to do,i respect you guys and i hope you all would do the same to me in return.


coops, how does me saying you on shit equate to me attacking you or trying to get you off the forum?  90% of the post i make on this forum i on shit too. What happen you didnt read my next post after?

who could take you off the forum besides the mods?

you's ah big man, and look you just say u does put thing on here on purpose to rile up men, so doh come here with dem long tears when riled up man like sub1 take ah turn in yuh ass.

i say you on shit because i really cyah understand how you could look at the article in this thread with objective eyes and then spin it the way you did and talk bout we eh hear pacho side. Ent the article is about Stern's side of the story??  I eh know whey yuh feel you going with that jokey Carl Hooper-like spin, I seeing de ball big, big.

anyhow, bottom line no disrespect was intended from me but still, yuh was on shit.


Ditto!!
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 17, 2008, 01:37:37 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
[/b]
Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
         Sub1,Amarldinho if nobdy wants to say it i will,it seems there is a tendancy on here to get me off this forum like they did Slim,is one thing i never do and that is attack people,when people start telling me about going somewhere else like i'm on their website it makes me wonder,the thing is all the people you all hate and don't like in our Football are my friends and that would not change,i don't need this site to get my information,i put things on here on purpose to rile you guys up and you buy it,if Stern John is you all hero he is not mine and that's my personal opinion and view,i have nothing to sell or prove in T&T Football that's for Stern and them to do,i respect you guys and i hope you all would do the same to me in return.


coops, how does me saying you on shit equate to me attacking you or trying to get you off the forum?  90% of the post i make on this forum i on shit too. What happen you didnt read my next post after?

who could take you off the forum besides the mods?

you's ah big man, and look you just say u does put thing on here on purpose to rile up men, so doh come here with dem long tears when riled up man like sub1 take ah turn in yuh ass.

i say you on shit because i really cyah understand how you could look at the article in this thread with objective eyes and then spin it the way you did and talk bout we eh hear pacho side. Ent the article is about Stern's side of the story??  I eh know whey yuh feel you going with that jokey Carl Hooper-like spin, I seeing de ball big, big.

anyhow, bottom line no disrespect was intended from me but still, yuh was on shit.
       Omar if you read all the posts after my own you would see how many different twist people put on this thing and nobody say they talking shyt,most repeated the same things i said,but the mentality is i am a JW fan so you find any thing i say not only on this topic alone i observe does be shyt to guys from the anti JW/TTFF clan.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: dinho on August 17, 2008, 01:44:18 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
[/b]
Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
         Sub1,Amarldinho if nobdy wants to say it i will,it seems there is a tendancy on here to get me off this forum like they did Slim,is one thing i never do and that is attack people,when people start telling me about going somewhere else like i'm on their website it makes me wonder,the thing is all the people you all hate and don't like in our Football are my friends and that would not change,i don't need this site to get my information,i put things on here on purpose to rile you guys up and you buy it,if Stern John is you all hero he is not mine and that's my personal opinion and view,i have nothing to sell or prove in T&T Football that's for Stern and them to do,i respect you guys and i hope you all would do the same to me in return.


coops, how does me saying you on shit equate to me attacking you or trying to get you off the forum?  90% of the post i make on this forum i on shit too. What happen you didnt read my next post after?

who could take you off the forum besides the mods?

you's ah big man, and look you just say u does put thing on here on purpose to rile up men, so doh come here with dem long tears when riled up man like sub1 take ah turn in yuh ass.

i say you on shit because i really cyah understand how you could look at the article in this thread with objective eyes and then spin it the way you did and talk bout we eh hear pacho side. Ent the article is about Stern's side of the story??  I eh know whey yuh feel you going with that jokey Carl Hooper-like spin, I seeing de ball big, big.

anyhow, bottom line no disrespect was intended from me but still, yuh was on shit.
       Omar if you read all the posts after my own you would see how many different twist people put on this thing and nobody say they talking shyt,most repeated the same things i said,but the mentality is i am a JW fan so you find any thing i say not only on this topic alone i observe does be shyt to guys from the anti JW/TTFF clan.


but who fault is that?
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: sub1 on August 17, 2008, 01:50:05 PM
coops since nobody wanna say it i will..

YOU ON SHIT!
[/b]
Not on it only , he manufacturing it. In my heart of hearts is either Coops is the biggest brownnose looking for wuk or he just simply naive. Imagine this man play at national level and coming here with this BS.  Coops boy go somewhere else to sell your BS because no one buying it here. Maturana is an asshole and is highly unprofessinal and should be run out of town with extreme urgency. If JW planted you on this board to for PR purposes it aint working.

I agree with Coops as opposed to the other emotional utterances!!
         Sub1,Amarldinho if nobdy wants to say it i will,it seems there is a tendancy on here to get me off this forum like they did Slim,is one thing i never do and that is attack people,when people start telling me about going somewhere else like i'm on their website it makes me wonder,the thing is all the people you all hate and don't like in our Football are my friends and that would not change,i don't need this site to get my information,i put things on here on purpose to rile you guys up and you buy it,if Stern John is you all hero he is not mine and that's my personal opinion and view,i have nothing to sell or prove in T&T Football that's for Stern and them to do,i respect you guys and i hope you all would do the same to me in return.

No one is advocating you leave the site. We are simply not buying what you are selling re JW. Bro continue to represent for JW. Hitler and Stalin had their representatives but the world still recognised them for what they were albeit after the fact. People who rail against JW dont want to wait until he is gone to say he is the biggest piece of shit to have ever happened to the people of T&T. We are talking now!! This is so that history would not be rewritten by people like yourself when he is gone. JAck Warner will never be considered a good or even halfway decent admionistrator of T&T football when all is said and done. He would be recognised for what he is /was, a thief and a scoundrel who desperately and ignorantly almost destroyed our football. He better hope I dont have to write his epitaph!
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: Coop's on August 17, 2008, 02:03:07 PM

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       Omar if you read all the posts after my own you would see how many different twist people put on this thing and nobody say they talking shyt,most repeated the same things i said,but the mentality is i am a JW fan so you find any thing i say not only on this topic alone i observe does be shyt to guys from the anti JW/TTFF clan.
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but who fault is that?
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       You beat around the bush until i get you to say what you wanted to say all along and save yourself all the old talk,it's not that i'm talking shyt this is personal attacks,just because i'm open and gives credit where credit is due,i have enough negative and hurtfull post on this site all i try to do is put a positive spin on things,tell me what's wrong with that,do i have to join your wagon to be accepted.   
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: sub1 on August 17, 2008, 02:11:39 PM

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       Omar if you read all the posts after my own you would see how many different twist people put on this thing and nobody say they talking shyt,most repeated the same things i said,but the mentality is i am a JW fan so you find any thing i say not only on this topic alone i observe does be shyt to guys from the anti JW/TTFF clan.
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but who fault is that?
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       You beat around the bush until i get you to say what you wanted to say all along and save yourself all the old talk,it's not that i'm talking shyt this is personal attacks,just because i'm open and gives credit where credit is due,i have enough negative and hurtfull post on this site all i try to do is put a positive spin on things,tell me what's wrong with that,do i have to join your wagon to be accepted.   


Coops what nonsense you writing. We are all big men here and we could disagree and agree to disagree. Where does the acceptance part come in. I repect you for who you are and what you are about but i disagree 100% when you try to spin JW in a good light for us here on the board. You know very well your brother and I went to and played for saints. How could I not accept you when you were better than both of us together. If it came across as a personal attack then my apologies. But i hold no malice when I write what i think.
Title: Re: Unprofessional!
Post by: dinho on August 17, 2008, 02:15:45 PM

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       Omar if you read all the posts after my own you would see how many different twist people put on this thing and nobody say they talking shyt,most repeated the same things i said,but the mentality is i am a JW fan so you find any thing i say not only on this topic alone i observe does be shyt to guys from the anti JW/TTFF clan.
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but who fault is that?
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       You beat around the bush until i get you to say what you wanted to say all along and save yourself all the old talk,it's not that i'm talking shyt this is personal attacks,just because i'm open and gives credit where credit is due,i have enough negative and hurtfull post on this site all i try to do is put a positive spin on things,tell me what's wrong with that,do i have to join your wagon to be accepted.   

nice try, but i not buying it.

on this site there's the majority anti JW/TTFF clan and then there's the minority pro JW/TTFF clan and thats where it seems you living. So this "i just trying to put a positive spin", and "i just giving credit where credit due" talk to me is you being ignorant to your own personal biases. Like i said, just the fact that your first reaction to the article was to jump to the administration's defence should tell you that you coming squarely out of left field so don't act like you is ah man sitting on the fence trying to show us the light.  In any case, what it is you really expect to get posting on a site that we all admit is predominantly anti JW??

i like to think of myself as somewhere in the middle and try to be objective as possible, or in so far as that shitty administration allows. Thats why I said earlier on that I usually appreciate your perspective.

but as for the innocent victim posturing.... :shameonyou:

take yuh licks like ah man.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: berris on August 18, 2008, 11:58:11 PM

Stern has been and will always be a disruptive player. Remember the situation between he and Glen before the world cup ?
Pacho new so he now find this out. And he ent go take Stern side like the other coaches/JW yes men. How many coaches before had the balls to drop Stern. Just what he needed and it worked before in the final games in qualifying for 2006.

Let we hope this have the same effect and really motivate him to produce.

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Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???


RASTAMAN YUH IS AH FACKING BALDHEAD !!
 Yuh sounding like one ah dem 'sight meh and relate' macomey man who does bump dey gum bout wha dey doh know.Yuh read de tata yuh write before yuh post it or yuh just facking retarted ????? 
Now you sound like you doh have ah facking idea about de game, and ah doh just mean on the pitch, but how de order of things are run ah the highest level of the game.Stern is not a 'disruptive player' a 'disruptive player' is someone who cause problems on and off the pitch,someone who is detrimental to the team and as a result hinders the performance of the team.If Stern had a problem with Cornell and he was 'disruptive' to the team ,do you think we would gone to the WC ?Do you think he or Cornell wudda ah still be on the team ,if the so called 'problem' between them was so 'disruptive' that Beenie wudda jepodize the whole team qualifying ? The fact is Stern was instrumental in getting us to the WC .Stern was never trying to 'salt' Cornell,he had no reason to.His place was secure on the squad for the simple fact that he was our LEADING FACKING GOAL SCORER nuttin else.No rank ting as you so dotishly put ,his spot was secure for his goals plain and simple.
Now ah doh want tuh slam Cornell but ah have tuh educate yuh chupid ass.A few years back in the Gold cup in Miami Cornell come on in de 2nd half and score ah nice header from ah cross from Angus.Well everybody say Cornell shud start the next game, so Cornell start the next game .............if he touch de ball twice he touch it pleanty and I eh joking, go and watch the tape....he was subbed at half time. My point is Stern doh feel threaten by any striker TnT have he is the only player we have that we could of count on to score goals for us to go to Germany and he delivered.The only player on TnT squad that yuh cud say 'bound tuh score'.
Just now rastaman ah go come back tuh you.....

Maturana is ah facking goat ,a has been who never had to do much with them Columbian teams that went to the WC. He had players like Valderama,Wanchope,Rincon in they prime,he had a good team,playing on talent.Hear meh good,when we was losing against Bermuda in TnT, at half time, Alvin facking Corneal had to come into the dressing room and talk to the players ,not that facking asshole that coaching TnT right now . He din have ah clue what to do and was looking and shaking like Muhammad Ali. That could never happen with a real gaffer,he is the one put the team on the pitch and now when things going wrong he eh have ah clue what to say to his players...NOT AH FACKING PEEP AT HALF TIME AND WE LOSING TUH BERMUDA ,AT HOME TOO.....Bertille St Clair better than this con't ,Maturana is ah dunce of the game working with old old old credentials.
Say what yuh want bout Beenie but as a expierence coach he understood  that TnT does not have a talent pool like Brazil or Argentina and he work with the best we had.Beenie eh expierement with youth ,he realize the talent we have just needed good coaching, and he provided that,the rest is history.
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..Back tuh you now Rastaman Baldhead in case yuh din know,the so called 'disruptive' player never once turn his back on TnT and refuse tuh play.Always showing up when called,never late,and he doh walk with he hand swinging,he does walk with he goals.The man does be jeopdizing his starting place with the team that paying his wages,only tuh come home tuh some micky mouse organization and have tuh deal with pure bull shit and disrespect.But #14 never say 'fack dat',I bigger than this ,when Dwight and Latas getting the utmost respeck from everybody ,Stern for whatever reason,always getting pong and had to be proving himself.Imagine de haters say he is de laziest ,he doh run ah tall,he does loaf,he always in Zen partying hard,is like some ah all yuh practing tuh be paparattzi and hah nuttin beter to do  than tuh maco wha #14 doing off the pitch.But with all that at the end of the day it eh have another player in de Concacaf region scoring at the rate #14 scoring at, UP TO TODAY....NOT EVEN FACKING CLOSE AH SAY !!!
 So for all de IMPS who think dropping #14 is  the best thing for TnT or that he deserver that kinda ah disrespect,laugh now,becuz time will prove that TnT is going nowhere this WC without #14,unfortunately this will only prove that the assholes that consist of the ttff and their asslickers were wrong in desrespecting and dropping TnT most prolific goal scorer ever.

Maturana + de Corneals + jackass warner + ttff   x  rastaman =  PIG SHIT !!
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Babalawo on August 19, 2008, 01:08:20 AM
if Trinidad lose to cuba especially for not scoring goals you think Maturana feeling pressure now?
i repeat
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: precious on August 19, 2008, 03:12:33 AM
berris i with yuh all de way..... Stern gives and has given everything to his country and ,to repeat berris, at the expense of his position with the team that puts money in his bank... He deserves to be treated with more respect purely outta the respect he does show TnT..
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: fishs on August 19, 2008, 04:15:58 AM


 Coachs pick teams and live and die by their choices but yuh mean nobody coulda pick up the phone and tell we boy that is no disrepect but they just want to try something new and as a result he not in the coachs plans right now ?

 That woulda cost less than ah hundred tt.

 I still waitning to see the Maturana plan in action.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 19, 2008, 06:57:41 AM
BM here...thank you Berris
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: SHOTTA on August 19, 2008, 07:05:47 AM
EASY BERRIS

no stern no peace

PRESIDENT OF THE STERN FOR GOALS COMITTEE
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: samo on August 19, 2008, 08:54:33 AM
Berris for Prime Minister... Tell dem...
How on earth can anyone come and say we don't need Stern, or doh need him yet...

Stern 'I am Legend' John  should be on the team now.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 19, 2008, 11:50:27 AM
WCQ 2010  goals score d man who score  eh needed. D man who he start in from ah him in d 2nd game eh even on d side all of a sudden he eh needed. I understand in fact overstand d logic
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: injunchile on August 19, 2008, 11:54:33 AM
I am a Stern fan but I am not Quite sure that Article buy Lasana will help him  with his relationship with the TTFF staff. However having seen Scott Sealy lately and Julius James I feel they need to be on this team
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Sammy D on August 19, 2008, 12:41:30 PM
Personally, I ent no big fan ah Stern. He is as immobile as ah street sign but even street signs have ah purpose.If u ent know wey yuh goin then yuh definitely need one. D man scoring goals like water since he start running out fuh we. Ah ent know how d big boys does handle dem kinda ting but if how he get dah message is true, then dah is ah disrespect. If after all dem goals and all dem years ah service, dey cyar sit him down like ah big man and say " mih boy, hear dis, we tryin something new and ah ent feel we go need yuh so again", then they cyar expect we to understand and support that. Stern suppose to go out on he own terms. Say when he good. If he ent seeing d sign and understandin de program, then he have to get dah lil talk from d big boy dem. But he still active and producing. In fact he still miles ahead ah dem youths dey tryin dey. Is qualify we tryin to qualify or is fete match we playin? I ent expect de Spanish man to understand. He ent know him and he could hardly talk english enough too, but dem others who from here, shame on dem. Dem ha no excuse.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Gladman on August 19, 2008, 01:08:55 PM
Which one worst Stern get drop via tex or  BS realize he get fire on his way to training on the radio. Even doh Pacho feel disrespected with the armband ting,the TTFF could handle the situation better than that.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: pardners on August 19, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
This situation just makes me wonder...really and truly...how is a foreign based player contacted for an upcoming game ?

By that I mean before the actual official request come from the TTFF/JW.  If his services are no longer needed, or the game get called off, how is the player/club informed ?

I hear about fellas...mostly US based, who hear about a game/trials via the papers or word of mouth and pay their own way for a chance to impress.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 19, 2008, 02:50:10 PM
So d article eh help he relationship iwt d TTFF. How has havin a good relationship wit d TTFF benefitted anybody dey get rob wit dey eye open instead ah close.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: dinho on August 19, 2008, 06:32:38 PM

Stern has been and will always be a disruptive player. Remember the situation between he and Glen before the world cup ?
Pacho new so he now find this out. And he ent go take Stern side like the other coaches/JW yes men. How many coaches before had the balls to drop Stern. Just what he needed and it worked before in the final games in qualifying for 2006.

Let we hope this have the same effect and really motivate him to produce.

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Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???


RASTAMAN YUH IS AH FACKING BALDHEAD !!
 Yuh sounding like one ah dem 'sight meh and relate' macomey man who does bump dey gum bout wha dey doh know.Yuh read de tata yuh write before yuh post it or yuh just facking retarted ????? 
Now you sound like you doh have ah facking idea about de game, and ah doh just mean on the pitch, but how de order of things are run ah the highest level of the game.Stern is not a 'disruptive player' a 'disruptive player' is someone who cause problems on and off the pitch,someone who is detrimental to the team and as a result hinders the performance of the team.If Stern had a problem with Cornell and he was 'disruptive' to the team ,do you think we would gone to the WC ?Do you think he or Cornell wudda ah still be on the team ,if the so called 'problem' between them was so 'disruptive' that Beenie wudda jepodize the whole team qualifying ? The fact is Stern was instrumental in getting us to the WC .Stern was never trying to 'salt' Cornell,he had no reason to.His place was secure on the squad for the simple fact that he was our LEADING FACKING GOAL SCORER nuttin else.No rank ting as you so dotishly put ,his spot was secure for his goals plain and simple.
Now ah doh want tuh slam Cornell but ah have tuh educate yuh chupid ass.A few years back in the Gold cup in Miami Cornell come on in de 2nd half and score ah nice header from ah cross from Angus.Well everybody say Cornell shud start the next game, so Cornell start the next game .............if he touch de ball twice he touch it pleanty and I eh joking, go and watch the tape....he was subbed at half time. My point is Stern doh feel threaten by any striker TnT have he is the only player we have that we could of count on to score goals for us to go to Germany and he delivered.The only player on TnT squad that yuh cud say 'bound tuh score'.
Just now rastaman ah go come back tuh you.....

Maturana is ah facking goat ,a has been who never had to do much with them Columbian teams that went to the WC. He had players like Valderama,Wanchope,Rincon in they prime,he had a good team,playing on talent.Hear meh good,when we was losing against Bermuda in TnT, at half time, Alvin facking Corneal had to come into the dressing room and talk to the players ,not that facking asshole that coaching TnT right now . He din have ah clue what to do and was looking and shaking like Muhammad Ali. That could never happen with a real gaffer,he is the one put the team on the pitch and now when things going wrong he eh have ah clue what to say to his players...NOT AH FACKING PEEP AT HALF TIME AND WE LOSING TUH BERMUDA ,AT HOME TOO.....Bertille St Clair better than this con't ,Maturana is ah dunce of the game working with old old old credentials.
Say what yuh want bout Beenie but as a expierence coach he understood  that TnT does not have a talent pool like Brazil or Argentina and he work with the best we had.Beenie eh expierement with youth ,he realize the talent we have just needed good coaching, and he provided that,the rest is history.
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..Back tuh you now Rastaman Baldhead in case yuh din know,the so called 'disruptive' player never once turn his back on TnT and refuse tuh play.Always showing up when called,never late,and he doh walk with he hand swinging,he does walk with he goals.The man does be jeopdizing his starting place with the team that paying his wages,only tuh come home tuh some micky mouse organization and have tuh deal with pure bull shit and disrespect.But #14 never say 'fack dat',I bigger than this ,when Dwight and Latas getting the utmost respeck from everybody ,Stern for whatever reason,always getting pong and had to be proving himself.Imagine de haters say he is de laziest ,he doh run ah tall,he does loaf,he always in Zen partying hard,is like some ah all yuh practing tuh be paparattzi and hah nuttin beter to do  than tuh maco wha #14 doing off the pitch.But with all that at the end of the day it eh have another player in de Concacaf region scoring at the rate #14 scoring at, UP TO TODAY....NOT EVEN FACKING CLOSE AH SAY !!!
 So for all de IMPS who think dropping #14 is  the best thing for TnT or that he deserver that kinda ah disrespect,laugh now,becuz time will prove that TnT is going nowhere this WC without #14,unfortunately this will only prove that the assholes that consist of the ttff and their asslickers were wrong in desrespecting and dropping TnT most prolific goal scorer ever.

Maturana + de Corneals + jackass warner + ttff   x  rastaman =  PIG SHIT !!


:notworthy:
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Rastaman on August 25, 2008, 05:30:33 AM

Stern has been and will always be a disruptive player. Remember the situation between he and Glen before the world cup ?
Pacho new so he now find this out. And he ent go take Stern side like the other coaches/JW yes men. How many coaches before had the balls to drop Stern. Just what he needed and it worked before in the final games in qualifying for 2006.

Let we hope this have the same effect and really motivate him to produce.

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Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???


RASTAMAN YUH IS AH FACKING BALDHEAD !!
 Yuh sounding like one ah dem 'sight meh and relate' macomey man who does bump dey gum bout wha dey doh know.Yuh read de tata yuh write before yuh post it or yuh just facking retarted ????? 
Now you sound like you doh have ah facking idea about de game, and ah doh just mean on the pitch, but how de order of things are run ah the highest level of the game.Stern is not a 'disruptive player' a 'disruptive player' is someone who cause problems on and off the pitch,someone who is detrimental to the team and as a result hinders the performance of the team.If Stern had a problem with Cornell and he was 'disruptive' to the team ,do you think we would gone to the WC ?Do you think he or Cornell wudda ah still be on the team ,if the so called 'problem' between them was so 'disruptive' that Beenie wudda jepodize the whole team qualifying ? The fact is Stern was instrumental in getting us to the WC .Stern was never trying to 'salt' Cornell,he had no reason to.His place was secure on the squad for the simple fact that he was our LEADING FACKING GOAL SCORER nuttin else.No rank ting as you so dotishly put ,his spot was secure for his goals plain and simple.
Now ah doh want tuh slam Cornell but ah have tuh educate yuh chupid ass.A few years back in the Gold cup in Miami Cornell come on in de 2nd half and score ah nice header from ah cross from Angus.Well everybody say Cornell shud start the next game, so Cornell start the next game .............if he touch de ball twice he touch it pleanty and I eh joking, go and watch the tape....he was subbed at half time. My point is Stern doh feel threaten by any striker TnT have he is the only player we have that we could of count on to score goals for us to go to Germany and he delivered.The only player on TnT squad that yuh cud say 'bound tuh score'.
Just now rastaman ah go come back tuh you.....

Maturana is ah facking goat ,a has been who never had to do much with them Columbian teams that went to the WC. He had players like Valderama,Wanchope,Rincon in they prime,he had a good team,playing on talent.Hear meh good,when we was losing against Bermuda in TnT, at half time, Alvin facking Corneal had to come into the dressing room and talk to the players ,not that facking asshole that coaching TnT right now . He din have ah clue what to do and was looking and shaking like Muhammad Ali. That could never happen with a real gaffer,he is the one put the team on the pitch and now when things going wrong he eh have ah clue what to say to his players...NOT AH FACKING PEEP AT HALF TIME AND WE LOSING TUH BERMUDA ,AT HOME TOO.....Bertille St Clair better than this con't ,Maturana is ah dunce of the game working with old old old credentials.
Say what yuh want bout Beenie but as a expierence coach he understood  that TnT does not have a talent pool like Brazil or Argentina and he work with the best we had.Beenie eh expierement with youth ,he realize the talent we have just needed good coaching, and he provided that,the rest is history.
.
..Back tuh you now Rastaman Baldhead in case yuh din know,the so called 'disruptive' player never once turn his back on TnT and refuse tuh play.Always showing up when called,never late,and he doh walk with he hand swinging,he does walk with he goals.The man does be jeopdizing his starting place with the team that paying his wages,only tuh come home tuh some micky mouse organization and have tuh deal with pure bull shit and disrespect.But #14 never say 'fack dat',I bigger than this ,when Dwight and Latas getting the utmost respeck from everybody ,Stern for whatever reason,always getting pong and had to be proving himself.Imagine de haters say he is de laziest ,he doh run ah tall,he does loaf,he always in Zen partying hard,is like some ah all yuh practing tuh be paparattzi and hah nuttin beter to do  than tuh maco wha #14 doing off the pitch.But with all that at the end of the day it eh have another player in de Concacaf region scoring at the rate #14 scoring at, UP TO TODAY....NOT EVEN FACKING CLOSE AH SAY !!!
 So for all de IMPS who think dropping #14 is  the best thing for TnT or that he deserver that kinda ah disrespect,laugh now,becuz time will prove that TnT is going nowhere this WC without #14,unfortunately this will only prove that the assholes that consist of the ttff and their asslickers were wrong in desrespecting and dropping TnT most prolific goal scorer ever.

Maturana + de Corneals + jackass warner + ttff   x  rastaman =  PIG SHIT !!

Just the response I would expect from STERN'S BITCH.

I never said the man ent good. Every body know that he good. But he is a rank puller, cry baby, a disruptive player to the team. Yes he scores goals and we cannot take that away from him, but he sometimes has to be kept in check.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Ponnoxx on August 25, 2008, 06:36:29 AM
 I just want to say first Football is a confidence sport. Well obviously dropping Stern John in such a manner is NOT professional. That being said I don't see why all the fuss about he being dropped. The coach at that point in time didnt think he would be required. All teams need transition and continuity. Berris after Stern retire we screwed basically? In your opinion we should continue playing him and neglect anyone with the potential of replacing him?  ::)  You even call Maturana a shit hound coach because of what happen against Bermuda(Stern was there....Why he didnt score goals that would put us in a comfortable position for the second game?)  and Experimenting with youth. I totally disagree with that sentiment. 1) We got past Bermuda(which probably is no big deal in the grand scheme of things but to the youth that was there and made it possible, they got confidence from that I'm sure) 2) Trinidad and Tobago had the oldest team in the World Cup 2006..we need youth...The youth need to be on the team winning caps because in order for them to get a contract abroad where they can ultimately improve themselves therefore they need to play.
    Back to the Stern John issue. I have heard from National players that Stern is sometimes very arrogant on the field especially toward younger inexperienced players. Now he score alot of goals but probably Maturana does not want him to have that influence on the younger ones just yet. Football is a confidence sport and if the younger players have to have confidence broken down by ONE player, that ONE player should sit it out, at least for now. I mean bawling at a man is part of the game sometimes and players have to deal with it but I think Maturana doesnt think his youth is ready for such abuse right now. Trinidad and Tobago players usually cant take a man bawling at them. It totally throws off their game in most cases.
   My prediction is Stern John will be back in the fold very soon when he is needed. He has always been a clutch player who can decide a game with his goals. What he has to do is continue scoring for his club, work harder and be ready to help T&T when we need him. Its unfortunate TTFF and the coaching staff went about doing things the way they did but I have a strong feeling its just a matter of time .....Go T&T
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: spideybuff on August 25, 2008, 06:54:32 AM
Welll...i seeing Southampton definitely  going up this year if Stern start gettign sweat cause he is the kinda bad mind person who will start bussing the net for fun to prove a point to Maturana!
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Fantastic on August 25, 2008, 09:20:49 AM
Ponnoxx, like yuh drink some smart juice or something dread. Good post. Ah remember cussing yuh a few times in de past, so ah have to give yuh some credit for a decent post too. Best I get a wuk with JACK too, so ah could get wise like you.   :o
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Ponnoxx on August 25, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
 Well Fantastic I never support Jack Warner in no way. All I said was the blacklist gave some men opportunity to play during the Gold Cup. Men start to come around me with this Jack suporter tag. Then in the spirit of sarcasm I chose the most annoying looking Jack Warner picture and put it up as my avatar. I dont have to prove myself to anybody . I dont support Jack Warner. He does hold our federation hostage using his money and power. Please dont say dem things again.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on August 25, 2008, 12:38:11 PM
So its a motivational ploy to get Stern going.............
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: weary1969 on August 28, 2008, 05:38:20 PM
D blacklist give players a chance yet but dey woulda benefit from playin wit d blacklist men.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: berris on August 28, 2008, 07:38:26 PM

Stern has been and will always be a disruptive player. Remember the situation between he and Glen before the world cup ?
Pacho new so he now find this out. And he ent go take Stern side like the other coaches/JW yes men. How many coaches before had the balls to drop Stern. Just what he needed and it worked before in the final games in qualifying for 2006.

Let we hope this have the same effect and really motivate him to produce.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???


RASTAMAN YUH IS AH FACKING BALDHEAD !!
 Yuh sounding like one ah dem 'sight meh and relate' macomey man who does bump dey gum bout wha dey doh know.Yuh read de tata yuh write before yuh post it or yuh just facking retarted ????? 
Now you sound like you doh have ah facking idea about de game, and ah doh just mean on the pitch, but how de order of things are run ah the highest level of the game.Stern is not a 'disruptive player' a 'disruptive player' is someone who cause problems on and off the pitch,someone who is detrimental to the team and as a result hinders the performance of the team.If Stern had a problem with Cornell and he was 'disruptive' to the team ,do you think we would gone to the WC ?Do you think he or Cornell wudda ah still be on the team ,if the so called 'problem' between them was so 'disruptive' that Beenie wudda jepodize the whole team qualifying ? The fact is Stern was instrumental in getting us to the WC .Stern was never trying to 'salt' Cornell,he had no reason to.His place was secure on the squad for the simple fact that he was our LEADING FACKING GOAL SCORER nuttin else.No rank ting as you so dotishly put ,his spot was secure for his goals plain and simple.
Now ah doh want tuh slam Cornell but ah have tuh educate yuh chupid ass.A few years back in the Gold cup in Miami Cornell come on in de 2nd half and score ah nice header from ah cross from Angus.Well everybody say Cornell shud start the next game, so Cornell start the next game .............if he touch de ball twice he touch it pleanty and I eh joking, go and watch the tape....he was subbed at half time. My point is Stern doh feel threaten by any striker TnT have he is the only player we have that we could of count on to score goals for us to go to Germany and he delivered.The only player on TnT squad that yuh cud say 'bound tuh score'.
Just now rastaman ah go come back tuh you.....

Maturana is ah facking goat ,a has been who never had to do much with them Columbian teams that went to the WC. He had players like Valderama,Wanchope,Rincon in they prime,he had a good team,playing on talent.Hear meh good,when we was losing against Bermuda in TnT, at half time, Alvin facking Corneal had to come into the dressing room and talk to the players ,not that facking asshole that coaching TnT right now . He din have ah clue what to do and was looking and shaking like Muhammad Ali. That could never happen with a real gaffer,he is the one put the team on the pitch and now when things going wrong he eh have ah clue what to say to his players...NOT AH FACKING PEEP AT HALF TIME AND WE LOSING TUH BERMUDA ,AT HOME TOO.....Bertille St Clair better than this con't ,Maturana is ah dunce of the game working with old old old credentials.
Say what yuh want bout Beenie but as a expierence coach he understood  that TnT does not have a talent pool like Brazil or Argentina and he work with the best we had.Beenie eh expierement with youth ,he realize the talent we have just needed good coaching, and he provided that,the rest is history.
.
..Back tuh you now Rastaman Baldhead in case yuh din know,the so called 'disruptive' player never once turn his back on TnT and refuse tuh play.Always showing up when called,never late,and he doh walk with he hand swinging,he does walk with he goals.The man does be jeopdizing his starting place with the team that paying his wages,only tuh come home tuh some micky mouse organization and have tuh deal with pure bull shit and disrespect.But #14 never say 'fack dat',I bigger than this ,when Dwight and Latas getting the utmost respeck from everybody ,Stern for whatever reason,always getting pong and had to be proving himself.Imagine de haters say he is de laziest ,he doh run ah tall,he does loaf,he always in Zen partying hard,is like some ah all yuh practing tuh be paparattzi and hah nuttin beter to do  than tuh maco wha #14 doing off the pitch.But with all that at the end of the day it eh have another player in de Concacaf region scoring at the rate #14 scoring at, UP TO TODAY....NOT EVEN FACKING CLOSE AH SAY !!!
 So for all de IMPS who think dropping #14 is  the best thing for TnT or that he deserver that kinda ah disrespect,laugh now,becuz time will prove that TnT is going nowhere this WC without #14,unfortunately this will only prove that the assholes that consist of the ttff and their asslickers were wrong in desrespecting and dropping TnT most prolific goal scorer ever.

Maturana + de Corneals + jackass warner + ttff   x  rastaman =  PIG SHIT !!

Just the response I would expect from STERN'S BITCH.

I never said the man ent good. Every body know that he good. But he is a rank puller, cry baby, a disruptive player to the team. Yes he scores goals and we cannot take that away from him, but he sometimes has to be kept in check.



Lika ah say before yuh is ah stinking pork eating baldhead that talking ah pile ah pig shit.


''Yes he scores goals and we cannot take that away from him,''

Bald facking head ..when he score goals he eh scoring for Stern John ,he scoring for TnT,and we need them goals .Yuh eh taking nuttin away from #14 yuh taking goals away from TnT,but they shud put we top   goal scorer in 'check' becuz ah few assholes like you think he 'arrogant'  ???.Yuh eh see yuh is ah facking cyat....Stop eating pork ,yuh posting PIG SHIT !!

Oh and before ah forget ..de only bitch here is yuh gyul ..ah hear #14 had she crawling outta he flat de odda morning at 5:43am.  ;)
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: TrinInfinite on August 28, 2008, 07:55:05 PM

Stern has been and will always be a disruptive player. Remember the situation between he and Glen before the world cup ?
Pacho new so he now find this out. And he ent go take Stern side like the other coaches/JW yes men. How many coaches before had the balls to drop Stern. Just what he needed and it worked before in the final games in qualifying for 2006.

Let we hope this have the same effect and really motivate him to produce.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok well the text part I not going to argue that but it was reported here before the world cup that he Stern did not want to play alongside Glen. At that time he had the backing of the technical staff so Glen was getting salt in the lead up to the World Cup. It was only at the World Cup that Glen got playing time alongside Stern. The story was given here by #8(poster's name) Claims to be a close personal friend of Glen and was giving it to us live from inside the camp. The had a few team meetings to try to get the situation sorted. Stern BIG and he does pull rank on everybody.


That being said, I am not making excuses for the text. But hey them men was in USA getting ready to play the game, after comming straight from Hati, so who was really to call ???


RASTAMAN YUH IS AH FACKING BALDHEAD !!
 Yuh sounding like one ah dem 'sight meh and relate' macomey man who does bump dey gum bout wha dey doh know.Yuh read de tata yuh write before yuh post it or yuh just facking retarted ????? 
Now you sound like you doh have ah facking idea about de game, and ah doh just mean on the pitch, but how de order of things are run ah the highest level of the game.Stern is not a 'disruptive player' a 'disruptive player' is someone who cause problems on and off the pitch,someone who is detrimental to the team and as a result hinders the performance of the team.If Stern had a problem with Cornell and he was 'disruptive' to the team ,do you think we would gone to the WC ?Do you think he or Cornell wudda ah still be on the team ,if the so called 'problem' between them was so 'disruptive' that Beenie wudda jepodize the whole team qualifying ? The fact is Stern was instrumental in getting us to the WC .Stern was never trying to 'salt' Cornell,he had no reason to.His place was secure on the squad for the simple fact that he was our LEADING FACKING GOAL SCORER nuttin else.No rank ting as you so dotishly put ,his spot was secure for his goals plain and simple.
Now ah doh want tuh slam Cornell but ah have tuh educate yuh chupid ass.A few years back in the Gold cup in Miami Cornell come on in de 2nd half and score ah nice header from ah cross from Angus.Well everybody say Cornell shud start the next game, so Cornell start the next game .............if he touch de ball twice he touch it pleanty and I eh joking, go and watch the tape....he was subbed at half time. My point is Stern doh feel threaten by any striker TnT have he is the only player we have that we could of count on to score goals for us to go to Germany and he delivered.The only player on TnT squad that yuh cud say 'bound tuh score'.
Just now rastaman ah go come back tuh you.....

Maturana is ah facking goat ,a has been who never had to do much with them Columbian teams that went to the WC. He had players like Valderama,Wanchope,Rincon in they prime,he had a good team,playing on talent.Hear meh good,when we was losing against Bermuda in TnT, at half time, Alvin facking Corneal had to come into the dressing room and talk to the players ,not that facking asshole that coaching TnT right now . He din have ah clue what to do and was looking and shaking like Muhammad Ali. That could never happen with a real gaffer,he is the one put the team on the pitch and now when things going wrong he eh have ah clue what to say to his players...NOT AH FACKING PEEP AT HALF TIME AND WE LOSING TUH BERMUDA ,AT HOME TOO.....Bertille St Clair better than this con't ,Maturana is ah dunce of the game working with old old old credentials.
Say what yuh want bout Beenie but as a expierence coach he understood  that TnT does not have a talent pool like Brazil or Argentina and he work with the best we had.Beenie eh expierement with youth ,he realize the talent we have just needed good coaching, and he provided that,the rest is history.
.
..Back tuh you now Rastaman Baldhead in case yuh din know,the so called 'disruptive' player never once turn his back on TnT and refuse tuh play.Always showing up when called,never late,and he doh walk with he hand swinging,he does walk with he goals.The man does be jeopdizing his starting place with the team that paying his wages,only tuh come home tuh some micky mouse organization and have tuh deal with pure bull shit and disrespect.But #14 never say 'fack dat',I bigger than this ,when Dwight and Latas getting the utmost respeck from everybody ,Stern for whatever reason,always getting pong and had to be proving himself.Imagine de haters say he is de laziest ,he doh run ah tall,he does loaf,he always in Zen partying hard,is like some ah all yuh practing tuh be paparattzi and hah nuttin beter to do  than tuh maco wha #14 doing off the pitch.But with all that at the end of the day it eh have another player in de Concacaf region scoring at the rate #14 scoring at, UP TO TODAY....NOT EVEN FACKING CLOSE AH SAY !!!
 So for all de IMPS who think dropping #14 is  the best thing for TnT or that he deserver that kinda ah disrespect,laugh now,becuz time will prove that TnT is going nowhere this WC without #14,unfortunately this will only prove that the assholes that consist of the ttff and their asslickers were wrong in desrespecting and dropping TnT most prolific goal scorer ever.

Maturana + de Corneals + jackass warner + ttff   x  rastaman =  PIG SHIT !!

Just the response I would expect from STERN'S BITCH.

I never said the man ent good. Every body know that he good. But he is a rank puller, cry baby, a disruptive player to the team. Yes he scores goals and we cannot take that away from him, but he sometimes has to be kept in check.



Lika ah say before yuh is ah stinking pork eating baldhead that talking ah pile ah pig shit.


''Yes he scores goals and we cannot take that away from him,''

Bald facking head ..when he score goals he eh scoring for Stern John ,he scoring for TnT,and we need them goals .Yuh eh taking nuttin away from #14 yuh taking goals away from TnT,but they shud put we top   goal scorer in 'check' becuz ah few assholes like you think he 'arrogant'  ???.Yuh eh see yuh is ah facking cyat....Stop eating pork ,yuh posting PIG SHIT !!

Oh and before ah forget ..de only bitch here is yuh gyul ..ah hear #14 had she crawling outta he flat de odda morning at 5:43am. ;)

family long time, ah doubt they will ignore stern for the whole campaign, hopefully not... they ignoring a whole setta of other players also, i ent know wat they trying to prove oui...

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Babalawo on August 29, 2008, 12:17:44 AM
hear we go again.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: superoli on August 29, 2008, 03:51:12 AM
I miss these posts from Berris.........good to see he still on form ............old days come back again
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: dinho on August 29, 2008, 05:43:43 AM
rastaman doh study berris dread..

ah feelin whey yuh comin from.

we cyah have dem disruptive elements round we team, pacho know wha he doing.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Rastaman on August 30, 2008, 12:27:17 PM
rastaman doh study berris dread..

ah feelin whey yuh comin from.

we cyah have dem disruptive elements round we team, pacho know wha he doing.
Trust me I ent studying that clown Berris. We all know who pulling on his piggie.
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Midknight on August 30, 2008, 02:47:35 PM
rastaman doh study berris dread..

ah feelin whey yuh comin from.

we cyah have dem disruptive elements round we team, pacho know wha he doing.
Trust me I ent studying that clown Berris. We all know who pulling on his piggie.

sarcasm ent yuh strong point eh?
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: berris on August 30, 2008, 11:45:22 PM
rastaman doh study berris dread..

ah feelin whey yuh comin from.

we cyah have dem disruptive elements round we team, pacho know wha he doing.
Trust me I ent studying that clown Berris. We all know who pulling on his piggie.


''PIGGIE'' yuh say rastaman baldhead...eh eh ...

1. The person doing de 'pulling' is yuh gyul.
2.  She eh pulling meh 'piggie', she pulling meh IRON,get it right. 
3.  Ah give yuh 1 guess wha she using tuh pull ...hint hint .. is not she hands.
4.  Now kakahole,see if yuh cud borrow ah wire brush and scrubb off dah rust
     from de old chain yuh now bite....yuh big facking dunce  :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: Rastaman on September 04, 2008, 08:39:43 AM
rastaman doh study berris dread..

ah feelin whey yuh comin from.

we cyah have dem disruptive elements round we team, pacho know wha he doing.
Trust me I ent studying that clown Berris. We all know who pulling on his piggie.


''PIGGIE'' yuh say rastaman baldhead...eh eh ...

1. The person doing de 'pulling' is yuh gyul.
2.  She eh pulling meh 'piggie', she pulling meh IRON,get it right. 
3.  Ah give yuh 1 guess wha she using tuh pull ...hint hint .. is not she hands.
4.  Now kakahole,see if yuh cud borrow ah wire brush and scrubb off dah rust
     from de old chain yuh now bite....yuh big facking dunce  :devil: :devil:

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
This is a football forum fool....
Title: Re: Stern slams Maturana's management.
Post by: madness1969 on September 04, 2008, 08:48:30 AM
i do understands stern's concern. for not getting selected for the squad, but there are a lot of young players on the squad now. tnt will handle there seflves.
Title: Maturana must stay
Post by: jai john on September 11, 2008, 09:35:24 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: weary1969 on September 11, 2008, 09:38:10 AM
Give we 10 reasons y he must stay we have 10 and countin y he must go
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 11, 2008, 09:40:28 AM
Give we 10 reasons y he must stay we have 10 and countin y he must go
So far we have one:
1. Handball.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: dinho on September 11, 2008, 09:41:46 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

you making excuses and burying your head in the sand..

those calls were only clear and visible after several tv replays and the 2nd goals was a clean call.. Don't try to swing this as if we get cheated or something.

what you should be more concerned with is how the man get so free and wide open for the 1st goal, handball or not, what was going on with our defense there..

Since yuh playing the "IF" game, what if USA had pong the other 4 goals they shoulda score on us?
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: WestCoast on September 11, 2008, 09:43:44 AM
Give we 10 reasons y he must stay we have 10 and countin y he must go
So far we have one:
1. Handball.
well untill FIFA changes how they handle this type of situation we cant bring it up
The score IS WHAT IT IS


like ya did forget 1973
game in Haiti
or wha ;)
SHIT................... we get SHAFTED again
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: weary1969 on September 11, 2008, 09:44:51 AM
DUMBTIST stayin should not b based on a handball. D free kick in tnt was not a freekick. We askin 4 he head 4 d crap he doin since he get d wuk  
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 11, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
Reason number 2: We have beaten Guyana on numerous occasions.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: jai john on September 11, 2008, 09:46:53 AM
2. poor player pool
3. poor player pool
4. poor player pool
5. players not giving of their best at all times( good today not so good tomorrow, poor next day )
6. unavailabilty of best players( due to injury or otherwie )
7. Been there done dat ( Maturana )
8. has managed to change ( although some like stick break in dey ears ) the dump ball style
9. is building more a team than an individual focus
10. has given opportunity to locals by picking them for friendlies
11. is working with locals to imprive their game
12. has the best record in friendlies while using locals as well
I could go on you know .....
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: NUFF on September 11, 2008, 09:48:10 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

You seriously blaming de referee for that loss yestersay?  That is de poorest excuse I've heard so far.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: WestCoast on September 11, 2008, 09:49:25 AM
2. poor player pool
3. poor player pool
4. poor player pool
5. players not giving of their best at all times( good today not so good tomorrow, poor next day )
6. unavailabilty of best players( due to injury or otherwie )
7. Been there done dat ( Maturana )
8. has managed to change ( although some like stick break in dey ears ) the dump ball style
9. is building more a team than an individual focus
10. has given opportunity to locals by picking them for friendlies
11. is working with locals to imprive their game
12. has the best record in friendlies while using locals as well
I could go on you know .....
Wim, dais you?
Many forren players were overlooked
if they are playing forren it is understood that they level of play should be better than PFL players...should
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 11, 2008, 09:50:36 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

Is de same ref who neglected to call what other refs would have called as penalties too doh, so yuh cah have it both ways fella!!  So yuh tink dat excuse Maturana lack of a sensable game plan?  Dat excuse de flickin mix an match assness he keep doin wit de lineup?  Dat excuse leaving out some of our most experienced players from the team?  Jedd try hard wit da sideways defense ah de shit regime we have eh!!
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: jai john on September 11, 2008, 09:50:49 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

you making excuses and burying your head in the sand..

those calls were only clear and visible after several tv replays and the 2nd goals was a clean call.. Don't try to swing this as if we get cheated or something.

what you should be more concerned with is how the man get so free and wide open for the 1st goal, handball or not, what was going on with our defense there..

Since yuh playing the "IF" game, what if USA had pong the other 4 goals they shoulda score on us?


i doh believe dis ...you never play football ?? ah player hands a ball and dat is Ok and is not supposd to affect you ? ..anmd they get away wid it twice !!! dat is why we eh go each now way ..if was england dat did happen to you would see de two hands on de front page ...we really must remain whipping boys ...look how we accept Crouch fould on sancho when even de english show we it clear as day !!!
yeah well den fire de coach......
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Sando on September 11, 2008, 09:51:24 AM
We playing like we fraid for our lives and 10 players behind de ball with no clue going forward. Come on, Maturana is way over his head. We had player who was not considered who could have helped. No subs were made to up the team performance. etc etc.

Maturana must go, Equador, Peru and Costa Rica sent him packing as fast as he was hired.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: christiano on September 11, 2008, 09:53:50 AM
But is the same set a men who was also saying "WIM MUST GO" begging now for "WIM TO COME BACK ".

So you all really expected a win last night ?

We lost due to :
1) Senior pleayers not standing up !!!! The same set of them who everybody was saying needed to be there .
Theobald,cyd, Avery (yellow carded), Scotland ( who was ineffective) against Guyana and Carlos who is really lacking confidence at this time !

2) Daniel not understanding his defensive duties

3) Poor set piece defending

4) Telesford not ready for that position !!

Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 11, 2008, 09:55:41 AM
Reason number 3: He is a loving father figure to Makan Hislop.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: dinho on September 11, 2008, 09:59:26 AM
But is the same set a men who was also saying "WIM MUST GO" begging now for "WIM TO COME BACK ".

So you all really expected a win last night ?

We lost due to :
1) Senior pleayers not standing up !!!! The same set of them who everybody was saying needed to be there .
Theobald,cyd, Avery (yellow carded), Scotland ( who was ineffective) against Guyana and Carlos who is really lacking confidence at this time !

2) Daniel not understanding his defensive duties

3) Poor set piece defending

4) Telesford not ready for that position !!




Daniel was getting back on defense last night.

Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: asylumseeker on September 11, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

you making excuses and burying your head in the sand..

those calls were only clear and visible after several tv replays and the 2nd goals was a clean call.. Don't try to swing this as if we get cheated or something.

what you should be more concerned with is how the man get so free and wide open for the 1st goal, handball or not, what was going on with our defense there..

Since yuh playing the "IF" game, what if USA had pong the other 4 goals they shoulda score on us?


Truth be told, the officiating was not the best. It was not tight. Just rendering that.

I can't say better officiating would have influenced the result. In some ways, the ref reflected the laxity in the match. Typically from Yard it's Prendergast but he had other things going on. The ref was so-so.

There is a view that the ref should have been Central American in an encounter between a Caribbean team and a North American team.

Holds water or not? We could debate that.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 11, 2008, 10:02:38 AM
Reason number 4: They'll promote Anton if he goes.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: jai john on September 11, 2008, 10:06:16 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

You seriously blaming de referee for that loss yestersay?  That is de poorest excuse I've heard so far.

Like I have to read and spell for you ..... no matter how you prepare for an event a single little thing can throw you ....if you never play sports ask someone nah !!! ask Ato, lara, Ames, Crawford ,,it does not matter the sport. I eh blaming de referee for how we play I blaming de referee for allowing or not seeing these little things that can change a game. How you go feel if you playing drafts and a man at the side ah de board move ah piece and noone else eh see and de play stands ? de team was poor because de opposition was superior ! You play as well as your opponent allows you to play ! we have lots of work to do but we have to crawl before we can walk ! The USA was playing Argentina in friendlies ..you think we could get ah friendly against dem ? doh try to make dis look like I blaming ah referee for how men was mistrapping and giving away the ball, Senior professionals on the team included, but you cant blame the coach for dat.If de coach did leave out carlos yuh woulda hear talk but did you see how many times carlos gave away de ball to de opponents or how Glen, who men say play good, was clueless in his position? If I was de coach i woulda let all dem things happen because dis is ah learning experience and we have to finish ahead of cuba and guatemala at this point. When Sorillo beat bolt at the olympics man eh call for bolt's head...because dey know bolt had a plan ...give de coach some credit nah...after all he has more experience dan you or I have right ?
i woulda use dis tape to motivate de players to beat Guatemala and cuba and get us to the next round ....we have seen them play better and I believe with this coach dey can. problem is the chicken and chips mentality hard to break.Let me simplify dis again before man get me wrong ..when you have a start up industry you give it protection before it can survive on its own ..if not it cannot compete with the already established operators ...well in this case the USA is the established operator 5 World cups straight ...you tell me what we should do here ???
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: WestCoast on September 11, 2008, 10:08:09 AM
Reason number 4: They'll promote Anton if he goes.
:devil:
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: asylumseeker on September 11, 2008, 10:11:17 AM
Reason number 4: They'll promote Anton if he goes.

If one head rolls, both should roll. Fuh sure! ... "should"
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: assrancid on September 11, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Yes the first two goals came of plays that had been hand balls  But the fact remains we played shit, and the midfield had no idea what was going on, the defence was as leaky as Ollie Camps boomsie, and the coaching tavctics were non existent.

Imagine we in need of goals and the man allowed us to play with one forward whole game.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Ngozi on September 11, 2008, 10:18:11 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 


This is your argument?.................................................................................... umm welll ......fire his ass and fire you too ....!
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: andre samuel on September 11, 2008, 10:32:01 AM
We cant fire Maturana now........we have to rally with him.  I dont agree with his selections but at this stage, too much has been invested in him for someone else to take over the team now.

The time to fire him was after the Bermuda game.  So allyuh honestly think that if he wasnt fired when we lost to Bermuda at home, they would fire him now when we lost to the USA away?

Yes i know that we want to be playing better, but now is too late.

Good luck to the warriors!!

ah love it!!

Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 11, 2008, 10:35:34 AM
We cant fire Maturana now........we have to rally with him.  I dont agree with his selections but at this stage, too much has been invested in him for someone else to take over the team now.

The time to fire him was after the Bermuda game.  So allyuh honestly think that if he wasnt fired when we lost to Bermuda at home, they would fire him now when we lost to the USA away?

Yes i know that we want to be playing better, but now is too late.

Good luck to the warriors!!

ah love it!!


All kicks aside, I agree wit this. I wouldn't vex if they fire him now, but I doh know what purpose it would serve at this point.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: assrancid on September 11, 2008, 10:35:48 AM
So if you go to a dentist and you ask him to pull a tooth that is hurting you, and he says to you.."nah' let me numb it up." "I not pulling out that tooth at all."  And you allow him to numb it up, the pain leaves for a while and then it comes back.

You will not go to another dentist to have your tooth extracted because yuh having a dinner party next week?

Fire his ass now!
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: samo on September 11, 2008, 10:37:36 AM
Well Jai, I looking all over your post for a smiley, but could not find it, but still assuming you joking...
A true professional would not let a bad call that results in a goal let it affect him from minute 10 in a 90 minute game. That being said. How do you find the team played last night? Which other games have you seen T&T play under Maturana?
Answer those questions and den we could talk.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Coop's on September 11, 2008, 10:54:46 AM
since man putting up de opposite I go post dis ...it have plenty facts I eh seeing coming out ...the first two US goals had hand balls before de player scored all yuh din see dat ? what could Maturana do about dat ? how is he to be blamed for dat. A goal changes everything in a football game ..you chasing de game from dere on in ...yuh game plan etc. affected ...man walk on glen when he was on de ground and eh get nuttin for at ...all yuh eh see dat neither. the players  fraid to tackle because de refereeing was jokey ..all yuh eh see man raising dey han and ting becase dey fraid to give away free kick and penalties.
If was a european referee he wasn't missing all dem ting ... Now what allyuh want from maturana ???
first dey criticize him because he kyah speak de language but all yuh same peole say ...de team playing some nice knock now (against Cuba and guatemala ) instead ah dem long ball we was playing !
I tink man go criticise de coach because he spoting ah Afro in dese times ..way ahhyuh want ?
 

You seriously blaming de referee for that loss yestersay?  That is de poorest excuse I've heard so far.

Like I have to read and spell for you ..... no matter how you prepare for an event a single little thing can throw you ....if you never play sports ask someone nah !!! ask Ato, lara, Ames, Crawford ,,it does not matter the sport. I eh blaming de referee for how we play I blaming de referee for allowing or not seeing these little things that can change a game. How you go feel if you playing drafts and a man at the side ah de board move ah piece and noone else eh see and de play stands ? de team was poor because de opposition was superior ! You play as well as your opponent allows you to play ! we have lots of work to do but we have to crawl before we can walk ! The USA was playing Argentina in friendlies ..you think we could get ah friendly against dem ? doh try to make dis look like I blaming ah referee for how men was mistrapping and giving away the ball, Senior professionals on the team included, but you cant blame the coach for dat.If de coach did leave out carlos yuh woulda hear talk but did you see how many times carlos gave away de ball to de opponents or how Glen, who men say play good, was clueless in his position? If I was de coach i woulda let all dem things happen because dis is ah learning experience and we have to finish ahead of cuba and guatemala at this point. When Sorillo beat bolt at the olympics man eh call for bolt's head...because dey know bolt had a plan ...give de coach some credit nah...after all he has more experience dan you or I have right ?
i woulda use dis tape to motivate de players to beat Guatemala and cuba and get us to the next round ....we have seen them play better and I believe with this coach dey can. problem is the chicken and chips mentality hard to break.Let me simplify dis again before man get me wrong ..when you have a start up industry you give it protection before it can survive on its own ..if not it cannot compete with the already established operators ...well in this case the USA is the established operator 5 World cups straight ...you tell me what we should do here ???
        Well spoken!!!!!
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: samo on September 11, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
Coops. sometimes your logic just illogical.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: jai john on September 11, 2008, 11:08:10 AM
Well Jai, I looking all over your post for a smiley, but could not find it, but still assuming you joking...
A true professional would not let a bad call that results in a goal let it affect him from minute 10 in a 90 minute game. That being said. How do you find the team played last night? Which other games have you seen T&T play under Maturana?
Answer those questions and den we could talk.

[b]A true professional would not let a bad call that results in a goal let it affect him from minute 10 in a 90 minute game.[/b]
>>boy if this is how you start your rebutt then we far away from reaching any accord . If I had the time I would list some true professionals who would disagree with you by their statements about how they were affected by " bad calls " .
I dont however have the time now ...not if ah want to keep meh wuk ....
I thought I expained how I thought the team played already ..go and read the ting properly nah ...
I have seen the games against Guadeloupe, Usa, cuba, guatemala and some hightlights of some friendlies ...how does this help you ?
Give me an alternative to my suggestion ...it easy to criticise especially from an armchair ... make a suggestion if you disagree ... I am sure if you were the CEO of Repsol or BP you would not just say fire a manager , if you had not thought of who was going to do the job you wanted ??? You want to upset the apple cart in mid stream ..you must have a plan !
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: fishs on September 11, 2008, 11:10:36 AM

  Jai John bestest post since we start this 2010 run.

 People in here blaming the coach for this loss and calling for his head, lol
 They know nothing about football or they get tied up with us qualifying for Germany.
Folks we qualify for Germany by beating Bahrain to get the 1/2 spot.
Trinidad and Tobago football owe a whole lot to that half spot.

But back to the business at hand , we lose to the US ....... HOW EARTH COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN WHEN WE HAD A TEAM THAT ARE WORLD BEATERS !!!!

Now reality
USA is a team that make this country cry we own backyard.
Losing to USA is no dishonor, but yuh know what we beat Cuba and we play great ball against Guatemala so expectations high against the US.
We getting on as if we out of the thing, we have to play Cuba at home , we have to play USA at home and of course Guatemala away.
This thing far from if we don't make it we don't make it but this BS that coming from allyuh , one day is love next day is hate ( apart from the WIMP lover , the 69yrold who most of the time nobody could understand the shyte she writing)

Allyuh who calling for the man head should stand up in the middle of IKE and keep spinning.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Filho on September 11, 2008, 11:19:37 AM
Firing Maturana at this stage is a recipe for disaster. A new coach now? He will have no time to implement his ideas prior to a huge away game against Guateh. Sorry, but change at the wrong time will hurt the side.

Also, not that this is an excuse or change the fact that we deserved a stiff cutarse, but

1) Ching was clearly offside on the first goal

2) you didn't need no replay to see Onyewu clearly handled the ball in the leadup to the 2nd goal.

But like I say, that cutass was coming in some form or fashion. Just doh agree them 2 goals should have stood.

On to the next match.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: samo on September 11, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
Quote
I am sure if you were the CEO of Repsol or BP you would not just say fire a manager , if you had not thought of who was going to do the job you wanted  You want to upset the apple cart in mid stream ..you must have a plan !
It would depend on the situation... If the manager thiefing, you will keep looking until you find a replacement to fill his shoes? This is not just about last night we have not played well under Mats and as someome else said he should have been made to walk after the Bermuda fiasco.
If you have a manager that is a detriment to your company would you keep him? I personally cannot see any coach coming in now and doing a worse job of not just coaching but player selection and tactics and subbing.
Sometimes subbing does work for you and you look like a hero and sometimes it fail and you look stupid, that is part of the game.But I am yet to see an international coach who back against the wall and make 1 sub when they have more capable players on de bench. If he had bring on Lawrence and Lawrence fail, ah could deal with that, but you cannot be happy with the display last night or  many of the others under Pacho.
As for the bad call against us affecting them for the whole game?? Then the pros you know should not be considered tru professionals. (also you should compare a bad call in 1 sport with another)
If Ato in a 100m race and they have 2 false starts I expect it will affect him and he has less than 10 secs to correct it. A football game is 90 + minutes. Iunderstand what you saying but respectively disagree.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: KND2 on September 11, 2008, 11:26:06 AM
offside was questionable because the argument is did he interfere with the play and that can be argued all day

Hand ball was unintentional so again hand ball or ball to hand can be argued all day.

The goals really score because we cannot mark properly either from dead ball or field of play.

I balme the coach for not working on set plays defensively men getting beat to the spot consistiently
3 out of the last 4 goals we conceed was the same basic mistake
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Baygo Boy on September 11, 2008, 11:34:16 AM
We like how the team play against El Salvador, Cuba and Guatemala for the most part, but want to fire de coach after USA beat we.

So let's say we don't make the Hex - I expect that Pacho will be fired then, then what next? I guess you will want the next coach to bring in the blacklisted to prepare for the 2014 WC. Anyhow yuh look at it the youths on this team is we 2014 squad - so get accustom to them. We are not developing players fast enough for there to be significant changes for 2014.

So we get lucky and scrape een the 2006 WC, and all yuh acting like is we birth right to be there every 4 years. For we to guarantee that we get in every 4 years it will take much more than a few foreign based, and a "big name" coach -  we must develop a footballing culture in T&T.

We does call weself ah footballing nation, but we doh love football in T&T (we love it everywhere else but T&T), we is ah nation of waggonists, and all yuh want to know why we having problems with player development, and have been ketching we ass to beat lowly CFU teams, even when we "big names" on de field.

All yuh ever watch how we foreign based does play real hard for dey clubs, but look like dey on vacation when dey playing for T&T. Look at all de mistakes Carlos been making, ah bet he doh make dem with Sunderland. Stern doh loaf as much in England - Yet all yuh blaming de coach. The players suppose to want it bad enough because dey representing THEIR nation, and that is all de motivation dey need. That reason alone is enough for dem to play to their full potential, This is not club football - this is yuh nation yuh representing.

Truth be told, and all things considered we shouldn't be in a WC finals, we just very fortunate. Nevertheless, we may stumble in 2010, so that we can finish in 2014 - I cool with that.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: lefty on September 11, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
We like how the team play against El Salvador, Cuba and Guatemala for the most part, but want to fire de coach after USA beat we.

So let's say we don't make the Hex - I expect that Pacho will be fired then, then what next? I guess you will want the next coach to bring in the blacklisted to prepare for the 2014 WC. Anyhow yuh look at it the youths on this team is we 2014 squad - so get accustom to them. We are not developing players fast enough for there to be significant changes for 2014.

So we get lucky and scrape een the 2006 WC, and all yuh acting like is we birth right to be there every 4 years. For we to guarantee that we get in every 4 years it will take much more than a few foreign based, and a "big name" coach -  we must develop a footballing culture in T&T.

We does call weself ah footballing nation, but we doh love football in T&T (we love it everywhere else but T&T), we is ah nation of waggonists, and all yuh want to know why we having problems with player development, and have been ketching we ass to beat lowly CFU teams, even when we "big names" on de field.

All yuh ever watch how we foreign based does play real hard for dey clubs, but look like dey on vacation when dey playing for T&T. Look at all de mistakes Carlos been making, ah bet he doh make dem with Sunderland. Stern doh loaf as much in England - Yet all yuh blaming de coach. The players suppose to want it bad enough because dey representing THEIR nation, and that is all de motivation dey need. That reason alone is enough for dem to play to their full potential, This is not club football - this is yuh nation yuh representing.

Truth be told, and all things considered we shouldn't be in a WC finals, we just very fortunate. Nevertheless, we may stumble in 2010, so that we can finish in 2014 - I cool with that.

well said, but still one of things that I in the last few matches of the 06 campaign that has not resurfaced here was that finally......finally TT had developed courage while under fire something we never had imagine (holding the US 1-0 with ten men,come from behind twice against quatemala to win, coming from behind against mexico to win.) where did it come from, who put it there, and where has it gone now, even if pacho can't speak english, anton has been along for the ride for years, has he learned nothing, If nothing else that "never say die psycology" that the team had finally gained, should have stayed, wim started destroying it with his refusal to take the local player seriously and Anton and Jack allowed the job to be completed. If we should qualify again for the WC and players show the kind of nerve or lack thereof that was displayed last night we are going to feel the embarassment we were spared in Germany.

Make mistake people we weren't true contenders, but we had that mindset

the perfect scenario would been jack paying the player what was promised "rather than using it to fund his campaign antics"
have that team with the improved psyche playing and motivated ,mixing in the the new players to adopt that same mindset who would in turn instill it in even more local player when the pros aren't around(anymore)

it seems that some forget that as far as the "experts" were concerned we fielded an aging team "well past it's prime" for the WC
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: arrow on September 11, 2008, 12:22:13 PM
yes let's wait till after we lose against Guatemala with Theobald, Leon, Telesford and Wolfe running the midfield and our best defender sitting on the bench and fire him after that
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: kounty on September 11, 2008, 12:28:49 PM
yes let's wait till after we lose against Guatemala with Theobald, Leon, Telesford and Wolfe running the midfield and our best defender sitting on the bench and fire him after that
ex-fkin - zactly arrow.
now, I not sayin fire de man yet....but I really tink at this point he have to come out and say something - People of TnT I was jus tryin to give the youths a lil experience or something - it ent go be cool if this is the way he going and run things all the way thru.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Dinner Mints on September 11, 2008, 12:39:18 PM
We like how the team play against El Salvador, Cuba
We did? You mixing up 'happy for the win' with 'liking how they play'. Who here even see the Cuba game to like anything? To the contrary, complaints about the team's play have been going about since Ash Wednesday. Which was why the Guatemala game was a pleasant exception.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: D.H.W on September 11, 2008, 01:24:08 PM
jack do yuh job and get rid of the bitch nah, i already having a bad day
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Baygo Boy on September 11, 2008, 01:28:20 PM
I still cannot blame Pacho because football is one of the simplest sports to learn, everything you need to know to be effective in this game you would have learned by the time you are 17 if you are taking the game serious enough, so there should be little need for a coach to have to identify and correct every fault or mistake or even plan strategy simply because the object is always the same. A national team player should be able for the most part to identify his/her faults, and also have an idea on how to fix it, even if it means looking at tapes of quality players/matches - with your coach acting as a facilitator.

So the question is - why are we (T&T) having so much problems on the pitch? I believe that our problem is psychological. I believe that our players enter games focusing on the opponents instead of focusing on OUR game. We consentrate too much on what the other team is doing or going to do instead of being prepared to respond effectively to whatever action they take.

Also, I could never understand the concept of a "game plan" simply because sport is about actions and reactions - you have to react quickly after your opponent provides action, and we can never truly know what an opponent will do at any given time in a match hence the importance of creativity (something that is natural in T&T).

I remember the glory days of T&T football when coaches didn't have game plans, and teams would enter matches knowing what they brought to the table with little or no care about what their opponents can do (in other words bring it on), they were confident in their abilities, even when they had little.

I remember watching T&T play years before the Strike Squad era, and even when we were playing superior teams back then we played like it was supposed to be our last game, we feared no one, our players didn't spectate, they played for glory, they played for T&T, and you witnessed the pride - we never gave up it was football till the end, but then again we weren't exposed to too much foreign football, so we had very little to reference our game by, but today our players and fans are privy to top quality football via cable, and I believe that it may be a contributing factor to OUR (fans) expectations.

We should not forget that the teams we admire have the resources, decades of trail and error, massive player pools, and a national footballing culture. Our players need to believe in their abilities and enter matches with a do or die, make or break mentality - this mind-set will invoke the passion and creativity, and lead us to the type of results we (T&T) are looking for. Remember, it's not what your opponents can do, but what you can do to your opponents.



Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Touches on September 11, 2008, 02:17:21 PM
I still cannot blame Pacho because football is one of the simplest sports to learn, everything you need to know to be effective in this game you would have learned by the time you are 17 if you are taking the game serious enough, so there should be little need for a coach to have to identify and correct every fault or mistake or even plan strategy simply because the object is always the same. A national team player should be able for the most part to identify his/her faults, and also have an idea on how to fix it, even if it means looking at tapes of quality players/matches - with your coach acting as a facilitator.

So the question is - why are we (T&T) having so much problems on the pitch? I believe that our problem is psychological. I believe that our players enter games focusing on the opponents instead of focusing on OUR game. We consentrate too much on what the other team is doing or going to do instead of being prepared to respond effectively to whatever action they take.

Also, I could never understand the concept of a "game plan" simply because sport is about actions and reactions - you have to react quickly after your opponent provides action, and we can never truly know what an opponent will do at any given time in a match hence the importance of creativity (something that is natural in T&T).

I remember the glory days of T&T football when coaches didn't have game plans, and teams would enter matches knowing what they brought to the table with little or no care about what their opponents can do (in other words bring it on), they were confident in their abilities, even when they had little.

I remember watching T&T play years before the Strike Squad era, and even when we were playing superior teams back then we played like it was supposed to be our last game, we feared no one, our players didn't spectate, they played for glory, they played for T&T, and you witnessed the pride - we never gave up it was football till the end, but then again we weren't exposed to too much foreign football, so we had very little to reference our game by, but today our players and fans are privy to top quality football via cable, and I believe that it may be a contributing factor to OUR (fans) expectations.

We should not forget that the teams we admire have the resources, decades of trail and error, massive player pools, and a national footballing culture. Our players need to believe in their abilities and enter matches with a do or die, make or break mentality - this mind-set will invoke the passion and creativity, and lead us to the type of results we (T&T) are looking for. Remember, it's not what your opponents can do, but what you can do to your opponents.




Baygo Boy good post.

You even answered why Maturana is the wrong man for the team.

If he cannot motivate, instill confidence, respect or even communicate with his players how can the psychological aspect and winning mentality be instilled.

It is quite obvious the coach is having personal battles with his charges...how can a player then give his all, knowing he may get dropped the next game or dismissed via text.

Additionally, how would you feel if a player who has less ability, less experience, less knowledge and caps..play infront of you.

How would you feel if a man who is not on the squad, not playing for a team of any pedigree...not in the squad for the last few friendly games...BAM Start infront of players who running all the time.

Telesford get drop since the Jamaica game in the Marvin Lee...and you Miraculously change a "winning" team and insert him...just so.

Further...just to prove a point...yuh leave him on the field even though yuh could see he struggling.

I blaming him...100%

You have men in training right tru, right tru, and cant give them a 20 min run on the field? 

Is not now we know certain players not ready, is not know we know the midfield not wukking and is not now we struggling against small side....I formed my opinion a long time ago, it was reinforced each time I went to a game and last night was no surprise to me...I on entertainment long time.

I not vex atall that we lost to the USA....it was the manner in which it happened, that is what I am ashamed of.

It isn't that we not good enough to compete...it is the decisions of certain individuals holding us back from playing to our true potential.

Two of them being Pacho and Anton.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Filho on September 11, 2008, 02:28:56 PM
offside was questionable because the argument is did he interfere with the play and that can be argued all day

Hand ball was unintentional so again hand ball or ball to hand can be argued all day.

The goals really score because we cannot mark properly either from dead ball or field of play.

I balme the coach for not working on set plays defensively men getting beat to the spot consistiently
3 out of the last 4 goals we conceed was the same basic mistake


i not arguing it. just saying they would have been legt calls. on a free kick, a guy standing offside and jostling for the ball is probably gonna be called by ost refs if they see it.

unintentional handball is not called when the ball is played to the hand the player can't get out of the way in time. Onyweu attacked the balla nd was clumsy and mistimed it and slapped it away. again, the ref should have called it. i'm speculating that it was not a case of it being unintentional..but more likely a case of the ref not seeing it

but we agree...that is not why we lost. i tried to say as much. just making some observations
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Arazi on September 11, 2008, 02:35:50 PM
I still cannot blame Pacho because football is one of the simplest sports to learn, everything you need to know to be effective in this game you would have learned by the time you are 17 if you are taking the game serious enough, so there should be little need for a coach to have to identify and correct every fault or mistake or even plan strategy simply because the object is always the same. A national team player should be able for the most part to identify his/her faults, and also have an idea on how to fix it, even if it means looking at tapes of quality players/matches - with your coach acting as a facilitator.

So the question is - why are we (T&T) having so much problems on the pitch? I believe that our problem is psychological. I believe that our players enter games focusing on the opponents instead of focusing on OUR game. We consentrate too much on what the other team is doing or going to do instead of being prepared to respond effectively to whatever action they take.

Also, I could never understand the concept of a "game plan" simply because sport is about actions and reactions - you have to react quickly after your opponent provides action, and we can never truly know what an opponent will do at any given time in a match hence the importance of creativity (something that is natural in T&T).

I remember the glory days of T&T football when coaches didn't have game plans, and teams would enter matches knowing what they brought to the table with little or no care about what their opponents can do (in other words bring it on), they were confident in their abilities, even when they had little.

I remember watching T&T play years before the Strike Squad era, and even when we were playing superior teams back then we played like it was supposed to be our last game, we feared no one, our players didn't spectate, they played for glory, they played for T&T, and you witnessed the pride - we never gave up it was football till the end, but then again we weren't exposed to too much foreign football, so we had very little to reference our game by, but today our players and fans are privy to top quality football via cable, and I believe that it may be a contributing factor to OUR (fans) expectations.

We should not forget that the teams we admire have the resources, decades of trail and error, massive player pools, and a national footballing culture. Our players need to believe in their abilities and enter matches with a do or die, make or break mentality - this mind-set will invoke the passion and creativity, and lead us to the type of results we (T&T) are looking for. Remember, it's not what your opponents can do, but what you can do to your opponents.




This is one of the best posts I have read on this site in a while.

I think that is why we lost last night, we (bar probably the start of the second half) never focused on playing our game but seemed more concerned that we were playing against america...
I am one the men who was early to say maturana should not be fired but i thought it over and i think he should go...

A good coach should have been able to iron out that poor defensive shape for set pieces, you cannot allw the same goal to be scored on your team 4 times...

however removing him now may cause more harm than good...flip a coin...
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: samo on September 11, 2008, 02:37:10 PM
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however removing him now may cause more harm than good...flip a coin...
Cyah see anymore damage than what already happened..
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: warmonga on September 11, 2008, 03:01:29 PM
After wathing yesteday game I ma convince dat Maturana wants to be fired .. What he have been doing is deliberate attempt to get fired. He is acting clueless to whats going on ... I wish him de best but he has to go .. and now ..
Maturana needs to go now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
war
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Deeks on September 11, 2008, 03:07:59 PM
If we go by the premise that Pacho is not to be blamed, ok!!! Our team looked bloody clueless!!!! When someone on the thread asked why we are never satisfied? Well yesterday's performance should give them a clue.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on September 11, 2008, 03:29:37 PM
jai john  you just lost 10 cool points.....  1 massive shit post...  they should fire you and maturana lol
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Baygo Boy on September 11, 2008, 03:34:43 PM
Touches, I look forward to your reports, it's clear that you understand how to evaluate players, as a matter of fact I was going to PM you with info on a football scouting course that pro scout Derek Bragg (Scouting Network) is involved with, so that you can scout for pro clubs ( I am serious).

Regarding your comments - there were 2 or 3 players who told the media recently that Pacho was responsible for their belief in their ability, and has provided motivation, I believe Keon was one of the players, so he may be providing motivation.

Also, you and I both know that a player will be considered unprofessional if he cannot accept being overlooked for someone who he (the Player) feels he is "better" than, and if at all that premier player is being disruptive because he was benched, in the world of professional sports he stands a chance of being removed from the roster, or traded etc. remember this is pro football, not "pay to play" ball.

Also, as I said in another post - coaches tend to make selection decisions based on how a player performs in practice, and of course we are not privy to practice sessions. Also, one of the biggest complaints about T&T players I have recieved from pro coaches in the USA/Canada over the years is that they underperform during training sessions, and as a club owner with T&T players I can attest to that, and that is one of the reasons we are not seeing certain players on this team.

Also, coaches are humans, and will make mistakes at times. You are right about one thing YOU will know more about our players abilities than Pacho, simply because you have followed their careers closely.

Although I do blame Telesford and Leon for the hell that our central defenders went through, I do understand why he went with Telesford - Telesford is a work horse, a runner, the type of player who on a good day will be at the feet of his attackers (the type of player we need against a team like the USA). it's one of the reasons PR love him (very little skill though).

As regards the ommission of some players - we don't know the facts, but as a club owner with national team players on my roster, I have received calls from college and national team coaches requesting that I don't play their players against certain opponents when the player is nursing a mild injury, or coming off an injury, and in several instances I obliged simply because I want that coach on my side, so that I can have access to his players in the future - that's why depth is so important. When fans and the media ask why a player didn't play I blame it on injury, or illness.

I do agree that the current squad is not our best, but I will like to believe that only good can come from all this. This crop is the least skillful of any T&T senior team I have witnessed in recent times, but maybe our love for skill, and the South American game maybe what's wrong with OUR football.

Pacho look pissed, not clueless.
Title: Re: Maturana must stay
Post by: Baygo Boy on September 11, 2008, 03:36:03 PM
If we go by the premise that Pacho is not to be blamed, ok!!! Our team looked bloody clueless!!!! When someone on the thread asked why we are never satisfied? Well yesterday's performance should give them a clue.

We never satisfied because we privy to "big" football, amd we expect de same from we National team.
Title: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Sam on October 18, 2008, 09:31:01 AM
Pick one or come up some something.

Francisco "de translator" Maturana

Francisco "Corneal" Maturana

Francisco "Selector" Maturana

Francisco "4-5-1" Maturana

Francisco "Defendo" Maturana

Francisco "Confuseo" Maturana
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Controversial on October 18, 2008, 09:33:43 AM
fran "cornmeal" mats
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: WestCoast on October 18, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
Pacho "Horse Sense" Maturana
Pacho "Cobeaux Brand" Maturana
 :devil:
dem people in de TTFF real messin wid he doh
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: MEP on October 18, 2008, 09:39:52 AM
how about Franciso 'gotstogo' Maturana
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on October 18, 2008, 09:44:20 AM
Asshole...short and oh so accurate
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Weh-it-is on October 18, 2008, 09:47:41 AM
De Donkey.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: kaisocagoals on October 18, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
clueless
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: D.H.W on October 18, 2008, 10:13:42 AM
as weary does say " d dumtist "
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: DeSoWa on October 18, 2008, 10:27:12 AM
door mat


Big Up!
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: palos on October 18, 2008, 10:34:03 AM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: dinho on October 18, 2008, 10:42:09 AM
'The Legend'
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Daft Trini on October 18, 2008, 10:45:40 AM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.

Francisco "Sinatra" Maturana
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: D.H.W on October 18, 2008, 10:48:11 AM
crazy horse
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: andre samuel on October 18, 2008, 10:51:11 AM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.

Excellent point horse!!

Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Jumbie on October 18, 2008, 10:51:21 AM
Mataburro.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: WestCoast on October 18, 2008, 10:53:37 AM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.

Francisco "Sinatra" Maturana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEbgB6X6S5c)<-- take ah listen :D
See Reality Check...dais a major reality Check
well said Palos.................de man doin real good considering all de bachanal
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: D.H.W on October 18, 2008, 11:00:57 AM
you know what i was suppose to ask and i forget, who really picking this team maturana or somebody else , or he getting help?
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: WestCoast on October 18, 2008, 11:04:19 AM
you know what i was suppose to ask and i forget, who really picking this team maturana or somebody else , or he getting help?
I will ALWAYS be of the opinion that AJW gives ANY TnT Manager a list and says "do ya best wid that"
dais just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: D.H.W on October 18, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
you know what i was suppose to ask and i forget, who really picking this team maturana or somebody else , or he getting help?
I will ALWAYS be of the opinion that AJW gives ANY TnT Manager a list and says "do ya best wid that"
dais just my humble opinion.

yeh it seems so eh
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 18, 2008, 11:05:09 AM
Francisco "que es spanna'?" Maturana
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: D.H.W on October 18, 2008, 11:06:35 AM
this pretty much sums it up  ::)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/2849531590_cd63ee60c5.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: GunnerStunner on October 18, 2008, 11:06:54 AM
'The Legend'

dude i love the clip of yorke shoulder barge but only for a fine example of play acting by latinos
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: vb on October 18, 2008, 11:47:11 AM
you know what i was suppose to ask and i forget, who really picking this team maturana or somebody else , or he getting help?
I will ALWAYS be of the opinion that AJW gives ANY TnT Manager a list and says "do ya best wid that"
dais just my humble opinion.

U seriously tink he coulda get away with dat with St. Clair or Beenie??

VB
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: WestCoast on October 18, 2008, 11:50:56 AM
you know what i was suppose to ask and i forget, who really picking this team maturana or somebody else , or he getting help?
I will ALWAYS be of the opinion that AJW gives ANY TnT Manager a list and says "do ya best wid that"
dais just my humble opinion.
U seriously tink he coulda get away with dat with St. Clair or Beenie??
VB
ya know VB, as Winston Churchill would say....
Jack "is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"
He is SO successful as a big shot in FIFA, yet he constantly SKCUF up with TTFF
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Baygo Boy on October 18, 2008, 01:38:02 PM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.


That's de darm ting self. This is a results game, not ah popularity contest.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 18, 2008, 01:43:42 PM
One day down the road Palos' comments will be Exhibit A in ah 'bring back Pacho' thread.

I cool wid calling him Pacho ... as BM suggested a few days ago it might just boil down to "fitting in".
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Baygo Boy on October 18, 2008, 01:52:40 PM
One day down the road Palos' comments will be Exhibit A in ah 'bring back Pacho' thread.

I cool wid calling him Pacho ... as BM suggested a few days ago it might just boil down to "fitting in".

Boss ah goh love to see that happen.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: weary1969 on October 18, 2008, 02:19:53 PM
D best coach ever is a good name as he have a winnin record
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: just cool on October 18, 2008, 02:33:22 PM
D best coach ever is a good name as he have a winnin record
I thought you'd never arrive. :whew: what took you so long ?
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: dinho on October 18, 2008, 02:35:22 PM
'The Legend'

dude i love the clip of yorke shoulder barge but only for a fine example of play acting by latinos

thank jah gol, he is de one who procure it, i just tief it.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: 1-868 on October 18, 2008, 03:28:21 PM
K*nt squared
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: kaisocagoals on October 18, 2008, 04:32:03 PM
'fro :D
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: STEUPS!! on October 18, 2008, 05:35:52 PM
Francisco ' I Does Dye My Hair' Maturana
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: tempo on October 18, 2008, 05:45:51 PM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done. 

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.

Finally, a voice of reason. BTW, Palos, I like the nickname
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: STEUPS!! on October 18, 2008, 06:18:10 PM
since when 'picong' not allowed on dis forum? steups.  ::)
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Fyzoman on October 18, 2008, 06:34:44 PM
'The Legend'

dude i love the clip of yorke shoulder barge but only for a fine example of play acting by latinos

i know dis is pacho new name thread eh, but ah find dat Yorke shoulder charge should have a thread of it's own (unless ah missed it), it was truly priceless, i never really like ruiz for dat diving thing he like and apparently yorkie too, ah like how even though de play did stop he still try and pull way de ball from dwight.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Preacher on October 18, 2008, 08:12:09 PM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done. 

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.


I know!!! I don't understand what wrong wit dem.  Dem fellas on serious Jones oui. 
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 18, 2008, 08:45:14 PM
Francisco "ah still doh know why Tallest was on de bench against de US" Maturana....
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: weary1969 on October 18, 2008, 08:58:10 PM
Francisco "ah still doh know why Avery was in de stand against de US" Maturana....
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2008, 08:59:24 PM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.

Francisco "Sinatra" Maturana

Brilliante... I going wid 'Big Franc'  :beermug:

I know!!! I don't understand what wrong wit dem.  Dem fellas on serious Jones oui. 

Big Franc supposed tuh give dem men and dem explanation and updates... yuh ent hear?
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: vale on October 18, 2008, 09:25:38 PM
Who knew dat de coach in charge of de 1st T&T team to defeat the USA in a WCQ (1st time in 12 tries) would endure so much abuse eh?

He draw twice with arch rivals Jamaica with a totally local based squad.

He had a winning record in we warm up matches.

We lorse to Bermuda at home but defeated them in their backyard when it counted again with a mostly local based squad

He take de same mostly local based team and beat Cuba in Cuba...when Cuba was still very much in contention for a qualifying spot and completely motivated.

He help to release Keon Daniel potential

We were leading Guatemala at home and conceded a late equalizer in injury time

We lost as expected to the USA

He then got an almost full strength squad and drew with Guatemala in Guatemala while playing for 60 minutes with 10 men

And now we just beat the USA for the first time in our WCQ history

I not sayin de man doh deserve some criticism.  But from a RESULTS prespective, it kinda hard to argue against what he's done.  

Allyuh want a nickname for Maturana?  How about Francisco "I doh give a fork, I doin it my way" Maturana.

Palos, I agree with you 100%. I believe that he is a bit unlucky and does not deserve all the abuse he is getting. The man did some good as you pointed out.

I am no fan of him but I know, it is because of him, fellas like Hyland, Daniel, Baptiste, Leon, Edwards ect getting a chance to play for the team.

I remember how ragged this team looked after the Guadeloupe warm-up game at the oval and then he went to Jamainca and drew with a local team. H settled this team down and to be honest, we damn lucky to have made it this far. I am not no waggonist.

It is damn politics the administrators playing that confuse an already volatile situation. We blacklist or best players and team for two years, change coaches, chop and change teams and World Cup qualifying come round, we somehow manage to put the team together.

I give Maturana some credit for what he has done and continues to do. However, he has not helped himself by making strange decisions, playing total defense, not rising to the occassions when needed (he looks more dejected than the players when pressure is on).

Anyway, he is a seasoned coach, having taken Columbia to the World Cup twice. So he has some experience.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: frico on October 19, 2008, 09:14:08 AM
Some people will never be satisfied,I am not saying he is brilliant but I am satisfied with what Maturana and Corneal has done so far.We are almost there and things are getting better.No one complained when Beenie when kept our best player out of some matches in 2006.
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: weary1969 on October 19, 2008, 12:36:29 PM
No one complaint bout we best player who dat is boi I thought it was Latas because nuff peeps complain bout he so Frico who is we best player?
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: sweetiepaper on October 19, 2008, 03:12:25 PM
How bout ""Uhhh"
Because most of de time nobody does understand what de ass he doing. Sometimes it works sometime not but for sure he will confuse everyone - Francisco "Uhhh" Maturana
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Midknight on October 19, 2008, 04:45:55 PM
Francisco "Brando de los cobos" Maturanas
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Savannah boy on October 19, 2008, 05:15:35 PM
No more Pancho?  Call him Macarena.
Title: So, forget Maturana...
Post by: kaisocagoals on October 20, 2008, 04:44:59 AM
If you (yes you...) were called upon to manage de squad... would you accept?

(as a pre-condition to this hypothesis, there is NO JW hanging over yuh head callin' shots and pickin' players for yuh...)

What is yuh system and who in yuh and who in yuh squad?...

 
Title: Re: So, forget Maturana...
Post by: lefty on October 20, 2008, 06:20:01 AM
I won't go into line-ups but for systems and I know people steups and but 4-5-1 is what is needed until some sense of 'SUSTAINED" defensive discipline can be introduced into this team. we have fast striker and attacking mids "glen, KJ and company there is little reason why 4-4-2 can't be a transitional system i.e. defense to attack , but only when there is room for it and when they are certain that the team can quickly reorganised themselves effectively without DL, DY, having to get a soar troat from shoutin at some a dem fellas to get back in position.  my thing is real attacking football  that everybody and they modda cryin for will put us in trouble unless the defense is fixed and IT ENT FIX YET!
Title: Re: Lets get a new name for Maturana.
Post by: Themanfriday on October 20, 2008, 06:25:15 AM
How about "Booo-turana"
Title: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 03:27:01 AM
Now that the DCC finish for T&T and it will have a little time again before the next fete match against Guyana and Dominica as we prepare for the Hex, I want to sneak in this topic.

There is talk in some quarters on the forum that somehow there was development of local players taking place with the introduction of coach Maturana, primarily because "he give so many players a chance".

My question is did development actually take place, when and how did it manifest itself ?

After using 70 players in last 6 to 7 months, where are these players now?  He started off with school boy players and dropped them after a couple games.  We argued about his choice of said locals, particularly those who couldn’t even start on their club team and those who were/are unattached.  What was his criteria for selecting such players ?  Some might even argue that said players are deteriorating.

The point of this topic is not really to debate whether to fire him or not, or to compare results.  I just want to know how come picking a local player to rep the NT, all of a sudden becomes development for local football and players?  How much of them who get pick never play a game ?

Now I know that being around and training with the NT,  one or two players might actually learn something from the experience, but how does two training sessions before a game compare with a more structured development program with some measure of consistent learning and development?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 08, 2008, 05:03:17 AM
hhhhhhhhmmmmm.... :thinking: :thinking:

Pardners, let me go and sit under my favourite coconut tree and think on it a while and get back to ya...... ;D
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Fyzoman on December 08, 2008, 07:11:05 AM
i guess i will have to defer to men who living back home or who have been to most of the national team and pro league games to answer dis, right?

c'mon locals, chime in here!
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 08, 2008, 08:58:47 AM
no... he slightly improved the local players he picked but funnily enough he failed to pick some of the better local players


Maturana is a goat that needs to get out of here
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 09:40:48 AM
no... he slightly improved the local players he picked but funnily enough he failed to pick some of the better local players


Maturana is a goat that needs to get out of here

Not chiding your opinion,.... I just trying to find out what would have made you get that opinion.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 08, 2008, 09:45:55 AM
Well as everyone knows he constantly picks Makan Hislop...who was our number 1 CB(according to Maturana)..up to the USA away game..

I wouldnt say he is shit but he doesnt deserve his starting spot... he slightly improved under Maturana..but to the level of a sub CB at best
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: weary1969 on December 08, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
SM u spot on Makan around since Wim but he eh makin meh stop pray for dog 2 get betta all doh I have he in d dog house till Xmas
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 10:26:45 AM
Well as everyone knows he constantly picks Makan Hislop...who was our number 1 CB(according to Maturana)..up to the USA away game..

I wouldnt say he is shit but he doesnt deserve his starting spot... he slightly improved under Maturana..but to the level of a sub CB at best

I hear yuh.  1 out of 50 ent bad considering  ;D
What yuh think about Hyland...better now or worse than a couple months ago ?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: weary1969 on December 08, 2008, 10:30:36 AM
Worse dat is a seperate thread players who get worse since Mats numero uno Hyland
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 08, 2008, 10:36:20 AM
Well as everyone knows he constantly picks Makan Hislop...who was our number 1 CB(according to Maturana)..up to the USA away game..

I wouldnt say he is shit but he doesnt deserve his starting spot... he slightly improved under Maturana..but to the level of a sub CB at best

I hear yuh.  1 out of 50 ent bad considering  ;D
What yuh think about Hyland...better now or worse than a couple months ago ?

worse

only looks good when around a good cast of players
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 10:37:39 AM
Well as everyone knows he constantly picks Makan Hislop...who was our number 1 CB(according to Maturana)..up to the USA away game..

I wouldnt say he is shit but he doesnt deserve his starting spot... he slightly improved under Maturana..but to the level of a sub CB at best

I hear yuh.  1 out of 50 ent bad considering  ;D
What yuh think about Hyland...better now or worse than a couple months ago ?

worse

only looks good when around a good cast of players

Couldn't agree with you more.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 08, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
the scary thing with Hyland ...you would think he would stand out around the local players but in fact he looks worse than the majority
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Filho on December 08, 2008, 11:35:22 AM
What club does Hyland play for?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: KND2 on December 08, 2008, 11:39:21 AM
Makan Hislop seems a good player to me, but I am not local based. Name some local based center backs that are better than him?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: kicker on December 08, 2008, 12:06:52 PM
I think development is a long-term concept, and I'm not sure if Maturana has been around long enough for us to fairly comment on his success in the development arena.

I also think it's unrealistic to imagine that a senior team head coach would "improve the quality of local football" in the short space of time that Maturana has been around.

If his exploration of local talent was done in the hopes of unearthing a hidden gem, and giving him some exposure at the senior level (if deserved)... then I give him some credit despite some questionable selections/omissions...

If T&T is waiting on a nat'l senior team head coach to "develop" our local football talent or "improve the quality of local football"..... we're wasting time.  I can hardly imagine a senior team head coach in any footballing nation that is charged with that responsibility.  That probably brings to question what we actually mean by development.

Good thread though- should bring out some interesting responses...
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 08, 2008, 12:07:57 PM
Makan Hislop seems a good player to me, but I am not local based. Name some local based center backs that are better than him?

Keyno Thomas and Julias James are both better than him... all the others are in the same class.. If I say Sancho I eill get cuss but I am sure Sancho better than him currently
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: PATRIOT on December 08, 2008, 12:12:42 PM
Makan Hislop seems a good player to me, but I am not local based. Name some local based center backs that are better than him?
Brent Sancho...he's been playing for NE Stars and they are currently in the semis of the Toyota Classic

..also Julius James looked fairly solid against Barbados last week...if HE could have been given 1/2 as many chances as Akile was at LB, I'd be able to have a better opinion

Also I too share the view that Hyland's play has steadily DETERIORATED over the last year under Maturana. And lets face it besides Maturana, he ain't getting COACHED by any OTHER...because as far as I know he ain't reach Belgium YET.

As a matter of fact to answer the question, I'd say Senor Maturana has dealt Local Football a great DISService, since players deserving of a spot on the NT (IMHO) such as Trent Noel, Jason Marcano, Atullah Guerra, Lester Peltier, Nigel Daniel (and THAT is just the Jabloteh players eh), Romuld Aguilliera, Andrei Pacheco,were given few or no chances at all to play at International level and show for themselves whether or not they ready or not!
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: elan on December 08, 2008, 12:19:58 PM
I don't believe that he should be required to raise the level of local football, especially since he came in during various qualification tournaments. If you asking if the local players he coached improved then my answer is from out here (not being involved in a day to day session) I will say no.

What he should raise is the level of requirements to make the National Team.

Looking at Hyland on Ash Wednesday and now, he get worst. I said I liked this guy as you could see the great potential this guy possessed as a true CMF. Now the guy try to inject himself into the game in the wrong manner.

Of all the new defenders I have seen I must say Thomas is the best. I like the guy and would not be opposed to him becoming a fixture in the tam.

The little I saw of Julius vs Barbados? I was not impressed. His defensive technique and decisions was geared to D 1 and US football. Where he play may have something to do with this  ;D . Playing against Caribbean players you cannot defend like that as they are highly skillful and will eat yuh like food. Caribbean players relish the 1v1 attacking battle as most of them believe they will; be successful in such a battle. Ever see the US team defend us 1v1, not really they are always in small groups to try and nullify the decision of the attacker to dribble or beat.

As i say in all fairness to Maturana, he should not be responsible for local football.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Tallman on December 08, 2008, 12:31:14 PM
Of all the new defenders I have seen I must say Thomas is the best.

Thomas eh new, he is ah veteran. He has 67 caps, one less dan Carlos, two less dan Avery. He made his debut since 1998.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 08, 2008, 01:22:37 PM
Why not 70 players? In the build-up to WC 2002 Brazil tried 400 players before settling on a squad.

What was the purpose of that exercise? Development?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 01:41:59 PM
Why not 70 players? In the build-up to WC 2002 Brazil tried 400 players before settling on a squad.

What was the purpose of that exercise? Development?

Well in a country with a million footballers, 400 might even sound like a small number.  The ache is not so much trying out 70 players, is the selected 70 players beating most minds here.  How he came to select the players he selected...especially when they were not making the starting 11 on their club teams, or as he first said...not playing first team football ?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
I think development is a long-term concept, and I'm not sure if Maturana has been around long enough for us to fairly comment on his success in the development arena.

I also think it's unrealistic to imagine that a senior team head coach would "improve the quality of local football" in the short space of time that Maturana has been around.

If his exploration of local talent was done in the hopes of unearthing a hidden gem, and giving him some exposure at the senior level (if deserved)... then I give him some credit despite some questionable selections/omissions...

If T&T is waiting on a nat'l senior team head coach to "develop" our local football talent or "improve the quality of local football"..... we're wasting time.  I can hardly imagine a senior team head coach in any footballing nation that is charged with that responsibility.  That probably brings to question what we actually mean by development.

Good thread though- should bring out some interesting responses...


I agree totally.  Then I can't understand why men still saying he developing local players.  It is even a stretch to say he unearthed some of the local players, because he come and meet them playing for some club or the other, so somebody done unearth them already.  The most we could say is that he gave them a chance on the national team...IMO before their time.  Personally I think he devalue the national team by treating it as his personal club team.

ps anytime I mention he...ah really referring to they...he and corneal.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: palos on December 08, 2008, 01:54:38 PM
Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?

Did Beenie?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 08, 2008, 01:55:51 PM
Well as everyone knows he constantly picks Makan Hislop...who was our number 1 CB(according to Maturana)..up to the USA away game..

I wouldnt say he is shit but he doesnt deserve his starting spot... he slightly improved under Maturana..but to the level of a sub CB at best

I hear yuh.  1 out of 50 ent bad considering  ;D
What yuh think about Hyland...better now or worse than a couple months ago ?

worse

only looks good when around a good cast of players

Couldn't agree with you more.

Ever since he hit the English player de spanner back in June, he has become such ah non-entity that I does forget he on de field....but daiz JMHO...... :-\
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?

Did Beenie?

Categorically NO !
But I did see improvement with the local players who were on the WC team...especially Wolfe.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 08, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
I think development is a long-term concept, and I'm not sure if Maturana has been around long enough for us to fairly comment on his success in the development arena.

I also think it's unrealistic to imagine that a senior team head coach would "improve the quality of local football" in the short space of time that Maturana has been around.

If his exploration of local talent was done in the hopes of unearthing a hidden gem, and giving him some exposure at the senior level (if deserved)... then I give him some credit despite some questionable selections/omissions...

If T&T is waiting on a nat'l senior team head coach to "develop" our local football talent or "improve the quality of local football"..... we're wasting time.  I can hardly imagine a senior team head coach in any footballing nation that is charged with that responsibility.  That probably brings to question what we actually mean by development.

Good thread though- should bring out some interesting responses...


I agree totally.  Then I can't understand why men still saying he developing local players.  It is even a stretch to say he unearthed some of the local players, because he come and meet them playing for some club or the other, so somebody done unearth them already.  The most we could say is that he gave them a chance on the national team...IMO before their time.  Personally I think he devalue the national team by treating it as his personal club team.

ps anytime I mention he...ah really referring to they...he and corneal.

So now I ask, did the Brazilians?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: palos on December 08, 2008, 01:59:37 PM
Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?

Did Beenie?

Categorically NO !
But I did see improvement with the local players who were on the WC team...especially Wolfe.


How about Theobald & Atiba Charles?  
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 02:02:01 PM
I think development is a long-term concept, and I'm not sure if Maturana has been around long enough for us to fairly comment on his success in the development arena.

I also think it's unrealistic to imagine that a senior team head coach would "improve the quality of local football" in the short space of time that Maturana has been around.

If his exploration of local talent was done in the hopes of unearthing a hidden gem, and giving him some exposure at the senior level (if deserved)... then I give him some credit despite some questionable selections/omissions...

If T&T is waiting on a nat'l senior team head coach to "develop" our local football talent or "improve the quality of local football"..... we're wasting time.  I can hardly imagine a senior team head coach in any footballing nation that is charged with that responsibility.  That probably brings to question what we actually mean by development.

Good thread though- should bring out some interesting responses...


I agree totally.  Then I can't understand why men still saying he developing local players.  It is even a stretch to say he unearthed some of the local players, because he come and meet them playing for some club or the other, so somebody done unearth them already.  The most we could say is that he gave them a chance on the national team...IMO before their time.  Personally I think he devalue the national team by treating it as his personal club team.

ps anytime I mention he...ah really referring to they...he and corneal.

So now I ask, did the Brazilians?
I think development is a long-term concept, and I'm not sure if Maturana has been around long enough for us to fairly comment on his success in the development arena.

I also think it's unrealistic to imagine that a senior team head coach would "improve the quality of local football" in the short space of time that Maturana has been around.

If his exploration of local talent was done in the hopes of unearthing a hidden gem, and giving him some exposure at the senior level (if deserved)... then I give him some credit despite some questionable selections/omissions...

If T&T is waiting on a nat'l senior team head coach to "develop" our local football talent or "improve the quality of local football"..... we're wasting time.  I can hardly imagine a senior team head coach in any footballing nation that is charged with that responsibility.  That probably brings to question what we actually mean by development.

Good thread though- should bring out some interesting responses...


I agree totally.  Then I can't understand why men still saying he developing local players.  It is even a stretch to say he unearthed some of the local players, because he come and meet them playing for some club or the other, so somebody done unearth them already.  The most we could say is that he gave them a chance on the national team...IMO before their time.  Personally I think he devalue the national team by treating it as his personal club team.

ps anytime I mention he...ah really referring to they...he and corneal.

So now I ask, did the Brazilians?

I cyar talk for the Brazilians, if you something I don't know then share the info.  I not comparing Maturana to other Brazilian coaches...that would be a moot point.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: pardners on December 08, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?

Did Beenie?

Categorically NO !
But I did see improvement with the local players who were on the WC team...especially Wolfe.


How about Theobald & Atiba Charles?  

I haven't seen Atiba Charles play since he got his foreign contract.  Theobald was playing decent up until the DCC last year, doh know what happen since the Ash Wed game in the Oval.  And before yuh bring up Aurtis, he more injured than healthy.

Palos I not comparing Maturana with Beenie eh sah.  I not arguing whether Beenie develop local players or not.
All I want to know is why men saying (their opinion) that Maturana was "developing local football" simply because he expose a setta locals to the national setup.  In my mind that doh constitute development.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: elan on December 08, 2008, 02:23:12 PM
Why the Senior Men's National Team Coach have to improve on local football. That is the job of the TTFF. Look at the US youth set up:-

Under-23 Men's National Team

Under-23 Women's National Team

Under-20 Men's National Team

Under-20 Women's National Team

Under-18 Men's National Team

Under-18 Women's National Team

Under-17 Men's National Team & Residency Program

Under-17 Women's National Team

Under-15 Boys' National Team

Under-15 Girls’ National Team

U-14 National Development Program



Notice the Olympic team is listed in the Youth set up. What does the Head Coach have to do with any of this?
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: trinikev on December 08, 2008, 02:31:06 PM
Good thread pardners

To answer the question, no, Maturana has not improved the quality of local football. To be fair tho, that really isn't his responsibility. As was said above, development (IMO) is something done at a grass roots level, from youth level up to even the PFL. The NT is not a place for development. So whether u praise him for players' development, or criticize him for lack thereof, it's not fair to place that judgement on him.

That said, if u asking if he made the NT better, I wud answer no to that as well. He widened the player pool, but that's about it. And even with that, he have most of us here scratching our heads, because a lot of the selections seem to have little to do with club performance or any kind of merit. Even the level of play seems to leave a lot to be desired. Now since I not based in T&T right now I haven't been able to see many of the games, but from what I have seen, combined with the reports here, the "corbeaux" brand seems to be the name of the game (which doesn't suggest an attractive style of play).

Whether or not that brand gonna get us anywhere remains to be seen. Personally I not too optimistic, especially given the team's failure at the DCC. I hoping that it's simply a case of the corbeaux needing the top players to make it effective tho  :-\
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: asylumseeker on December 08, 2008, 03:01:26 PM
1. Pacho has long been big on 'local players' ... he built a legacy on it with Atletico Nacional
2. Pacho is a 'fit' coach
3. In his position he has the prerogative of deferring to his own judgement, rather than the individual or collective judgement of local coaches ... even if it makes no fooking sense to dem and all and sundry
4. Related to (2) and (3), ent if he see a man sweating in Palo Seco and de man ketch his eye, fuh whatever reason, he could roll with him ... so we have experiment (and paradox) by a man still not viewed as a taker of risks ... yet he doh seem to give a rat's ass and keeps plodding forward ... hmmmmmmmmm
5. Maybe he has no 'trust' in the talent identification of local coaches ... in his position, would you substitute their judgement for yours .... at the end of de day who accountable fuh de outcome ... de man buss nuff NUFF... players outta de dark and into de light in Colombia and ultimately abroad (more than his local critics?) ... who could vex with him ...?

Oh yeah, allyuh :devil: :)

This whole development distractor is fookery. Allyuh feel de man willfully blind?


Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Jah Gol on December 08, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
Well as everyone knows he constantly picks Makan Hislop...who was our number 1 CB(according to Maturana)..up to the USA away game..

I wouldnt say he is shit but he doesnt deserve his starting spot... he slightly improved under Maturana..but to the level of a sub CB at best
SM if you don't want say I will say it. HE IS SHIT. The man slow , cyar mark and doesn't even use his height and size properly. Watch how much shit he does do when making a defensive header. Many times he will mistime his jump and fail to connect with the ball. Look at how often he gets caught ball watching. 

I will say that he stays on his feet well and tackles decent too.But he is a liability as far as I concerned.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: weary1969 on December 08, 2008, 10:56:25 PM
Well said Jah tired say it he spoilin d Hislop brand.
Title: Re: Did Maturana improve the quality of local football ?
Post by: Savannah boy on December 09, 2008, 01:15:12 PM
To answer the question, no, Maturana has not improved the quality of local football. To be fair tho, that really isn't his responsibility. As was said above, development (IMO) is something done at a grass roots level, from youth level up to even the PFL. The NT is not a place for development. So whether u praise him for players' development, or criticize him for lack thereof, it's not fair to place that judgement on him.

Good point Trinikev.  If men lacking de basics, it cyah be Maturana fault.  He is only working with what he was given.  For the most part, our youths have been developed poorly.  Apart from BSC, who has been developing our youth footballers with any degree of success?  This is not just a football problem.  Administration and sport development on a whole is just not our forte.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Dutty on February 19, 2009, 04:26:06 PM
aaah...what a difference a year makes

 :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: just cool on February 19, 2009, 04:56:28 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....
BTW ! what ever happened to this fella triniinfinite?? is he still with us?

BTW What a big mistake hiring that coach! if we wanted an comebol coach it would've been better if it was lavolpe or zagalo instead.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: FF on February 19, 2009, 05:06:45 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....
BTW ! what ever happened to this fella triniinfinite?? is he still with us?

BTW What a big mistake hiring that coach! if we wanted an comebol coach it would've been better if it was lavolpe or zagalo instead.


me eh know... but he was always trying to be a CONTROVERSIAL fella
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: just cool on February 19, 2009, 09:00:44 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....
BTW ! what ever happened to this fella triniinfinite?? is he still with us?

BTW What a big mistake hiring that coach! if we wanted an comebol coach it would've been better if it was lavolpe or zagalo instead.


me eh know... but he was always trying to be a CONTROVERSIAL fella
seriously, was he banned?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: pardners on February 19, 2009, 11:22:01 PM
Maturana is no good. Bad Pick for T&T. Wim might have been better. Or even Bruce Arena.

i myself would love to hear why maturana is a bad pick myself? ??? based on what?

God is de BOSS....
BTW ! what ever happened to this fella triniinfinite?? is he still with us?

BTW What a big mistake hiring that coach! if we wanted an comebol coach it would've been better if it was lavolpe or zagalo instead.


me eh know... but he was always trying to be a CONTROVERSIAL fella
seriously, was he banned?

Men on the site does give him a hard time...especialy about Hardest, so I wouldn't be surprised if he just reading and not posting.
I think the last post I see from TI was during the Olympics when he blamed Brown for the T&T relay team not winning the gold medal.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Quags on February 20, 2009, 12:04:04 AM
That was very Controversial .
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: FF on February 20, 2009, 12:39:52 AM


me eh know... but he was always trying to be a CONTROVERSIAL fella
seriously, was he banned?

Oh god jus cool... read between de lines nah... de man is still among us
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Daft Trini on February 20, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
TI is so Controversial oui.... :beermug:
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: just cool on February 20, 2009, 04:34:52 AM


me eh know... but he was always trying to be a CONTROVERSIAL fella
seriously, was he banned?

Oh god jus cool... read between de lines nah... de man is still among us
Breds is long time i hearing omaraldino calling assrancid (true trini) and controversial( TI ) but i thought he was ready too much into it, it's not that i slow, but rather , i didn't believe the hype. oh well, i guess i will have to reconsider.  thanx .           positive.
Title: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: royalian on April 02, 2009, 08:03:07 PM
April 9, D-day for Maturana
By Nigel Simon (T&T Guardian)


The fate of Soca Warriors coach, Colombian Francisco Maturana and his technical staff which includes assistant coach/player Russell Latapy, is to be the main topic of discussion at a T&T Football Federation (TTFF) emergency technical meeting on April 9.

The meeting is expected to take place at Concacaf’s Port-of-Spain office and will be chaired by T&TFF special advisor and Concacaf president, Jack Warner.
Those expected to be in attendance are members of the Soca Warriors technical staff and other executive members of the local Federation, as Maturana’s tenure as coach comes under scrutiny.

This has been occasioned by the Warriors’ embarrassing 3-0 defeat by the United States of America in their Concacaf Final Round Qualifier in Nashville, Tennessee on Wednesday night, leaving this country at the bottom of the six-team group on two points, the same as El Salvador. The USA tops the table with seven points followed by Costa Rica (6) Honduras (4) and Mexico (3) with seven matches still to be played by each team.

The Special Adviser when asked to comment on Wednesday night display replied : “I think it was way below expectations of a team that is aspiring to be among the qualifiers for the World Cup Finals in South Africa next year.” “My concern is that we are not getting the required results. Results are all that matter at the moment and we have to start getting the right ones from the next match”, he said.

Maturana, who has come in for earlier criticism from the local media and coaches alike, has twice taken his homeland to the World Cup Finals and will be buoyed by the fact that T&T also had one point after three matches in 2005 when Dutchman Leo Beenhakker took over the reigns from Bertille St Clair and led T&T to Germany in 2006.One local club manager who prefers to remain anonymous said that the only good thing with the team’s situation is that there are two full months before the next match against Costa Rica at home June 6. T&T is also ‘away’ to Mexico on June 10.

“Whether it’s a coaching change or wholesale changes in the team, it’s clear that something has to be done.” The local club manager who has led his club to a host of local and regional triumphs was adamant that the national coach had no idea which was his best team. He added : “I can’t imagine we are three matches into the final phase of qualification and our coaching staff still does not know their best squad yet.”

Asked to comment on the performance against the Americans, the well respected manager and freelance commentator said : “It was pathetic and more than that, there are still more questions than answers in terms of our team selection.” “The funny thing is that we were playing poorly but up until the USA scored its second goal midway into the second-half, we were just a goal away from being level in the match.”

Questions must also be raised in terms of how we used our substitutes as I saw no problems why Russell Latapy did not introduce himself just as he did against Honduras.” “The introduction of striker Jason Scotland for Keon Daniel also meant we had three similar players up front with Stern John and Kenwyne Jones up front. “Our three strikers were all playing the same way, with their backs to the goal.”

“Christopher Birchall and Clyde Leon were the two defensive midfielders used, but when Birchall was replaced by Hyland, it left Leon with a lot more responsibility and that’s when the Americans scored their other goals.” “The three goals we conceded against USA all came via our wingbacks. I can’t understand why we have a guy who went to the 2006 Fifa World Cup in Anthony Wolfe playing as a right back and then you replace him during the match with a guy (Makan Hislop) who has played as a central defender for all his life.”

With regards to the coach he said, “All I could tell you is that I feel coach Maturana has been given many chances while some players like Trent Noel have not got a chance at all.” “This is the final round of qualification. Everything counts here and now is decision time, whether its with the staff or players. Terry Fenwick, a former England international and coach of T&T Pro League club, Clico San Juan Jabloteh was also of the opinion that Maturana still does not know his best team.

“Whether the coach remains in the job or not is not my decision, but what I can say is that as a team I have seen much better organisation and discipline by some teams in the Pro League than what was offered by the Warriors on Wednesday night. “We were very, very. poor in too many areas, added Fenwick who has led Jabloteh to back-to-back Pro League club titles. “I think our team selection on the night left a lot of people, including myself. flabbergasted.”
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 02, 2009, 08:04:33 PM
Emergency meeting in 7 days ::) ::)
I guess it betta than nothing
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
Holy thursday dey waitin till thu 2 fire dat fool. What he gettin some hot cross buns wit d pink slip.What u cyah fire a coach durin lent.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 08:07:33 PM
Emergency meeting in 7 days ::) ::)
I guess it betta than nothing

Emergency and u wait till thu.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: royalian on April 02, 2009, 08:10:51 PM
Guess it's because Mr Warner is going to be in Egypt for the next few days.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: AB.Trini on April 02, 2009, 08:15:32 PM
 'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: 100% Barataria on April 02, 2009, 08:21:09 PM
Jokers yes
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 08:23:16 PM
'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.

Exactly
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 08:23:49 PM
Guess it's because Mr Warner is going to be in Egypt for the next few days.

Dey could meet on msn if dey wanted 2
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: truetrini on April 02, 2009, 08:24:04 PM
'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.

Smoke and mirrors or smoking mirrors?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: big dawg on April 02, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
7 days..


alyuh aint fed up...??
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Corbeaux on April 02, 2009, 08:34:35 PM
'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.
Their decision will be made by Sunday...at this point they just trying to save face for Maturana which looks like time wasting but they are really assesing their options for a foreign coach as well.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Sando prince on April 02, 2009, 08:37:52 PM
'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.
Their decision will be made by Sunday...at this point they just trying to save face for Maturana which looks like time wasting but they are really assesing their options for a foreign coach as well.

and why it is so important "to save face for Maturana".?????....what makes him so special that he cant be fired right now??..How come Mexico aint save Eriksson face??...we not serious about our football at all.....when is time to sack a coach you sack him!..you dont have to sack him after you are guarantee a replacement...TTFF disrespecting the fans...steupse..
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 08:39:43 PM
'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.
Their decision will be made by Sunday...at this point they just trying to save face for Maturana which looks like time wasting but they are really assesing their options for a foreign coach as well.

Dat assessment should have strted ah ready. If yuh tell meh he crunchin d numbers I could live wit dat. U feel Mexico now wonderin who replacin Swen.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Sando prince on April 02, 2009, 08:40:48 PM
..and what is their to DISCUSS at this meeting on April 9th with Maturana??..our previous games are proof that his coaching methods wont work, so Jack and dem going to discuss how he should improve his methods??..steupse..
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: fordy on April 02, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
'Smoking Mirrors'...................If the powers to be are serious about doing something, they will not wait until April 09th. Meeting should have been done today and the post morterm  decisions should happen promptly.
Their decision will be made by Sunday...at this point they just trying to save face for Maturana which looks like time wasting but they are really assesing their options for a foreign coach as well.

Ah hope so for all ah we sake!!! :beermug:
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: triniairman on April 02, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
Fenwick for T&T COACH
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Storeboy on April 02, 2009, 09:13:25 PM
All yuh, this is Jack style.  He is giving himself 7 days  to find the new coach.  He is just waiting to be sure who the next coach is and then he will announce that Maturana is fired and name the new coach.  At least that is my prayer fro the next seven days!  Now Maturana should jump be he is pushed off the cliff.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 09:16:19 PM
All yuh, this is Jack style.  He is giving himself 7 days  to find the new coach.  He is just waiting to be sure who the next coach is and then he will announce that Maturana is fired and name the new coach.  At least that is my prayer fro the next seven days!  Now Maturana should jump be he is pushed off the cliff.

If he quits we eh owe him no money. Like he eh get enough 4 d scam he runnin on we since ash wed 08
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on April 02, 2009, 09:23:09 PM
Emergency meeting in 7 days ::) ::)
I guess it betta than nothing

Emergency and u wait till thu.
Jack busy trying to make a new newspaper headline for the UNC. so he cant meet earlier.

Fire Maturana. Hire Fenwick and Shabazz.  Hope them can work together. but i fraid Shabazz will make sure Theobald play   :(
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: soccerman on April 02, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
He could send Mats ah text from Egypt....ent dats de way everybody communicating these days
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 02, 2009, 09:54:08 PM
He could send Mats ah text from Egypt....ent dats de way everybody communicating these days

True dat :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 02, 2009, 10:40:44 PM
Allyuh people real simple when allyuh ready dred.  Yuh don't fire somebody unless yuh already have somebody in line to replace them.  The next seven days (assuming the decision has already been made with Maturana) will be spent in negotiations with the candidate/s for the national job.

God-willing de Angel Gabriel heself come down with ah stone tablet with Fenwick name on it... because he's de man we need, he's the man who capable at this juncture... and Lord knows it will take an act of God for Jack to see past the petty disagreements to give him the job.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Fantastic on April 02, 2009, 10:53:38 PM
What Fenwick do to make yuh feel that? Win Pro league? What else has he done to make yuh feel he is the man to do the job as international coach?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: triniairman on April 02, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
Allyuh people real simple when allyuh ready dred.  Yuh don't fire somebody unless yuh already have somebody in line to replace them.  The next seven days (assuming the decision has already been made with Maturana) will be spent in negotiations with the candidate/s for the national job.

God-willing de Angel Gabriel heself come down with ah stone tablet with Fenwick name on it... because he's de man we need, he's the man who capable at this juncture... and Lord knows it will take an act of God for Jack to see past the petty disagreements to give him the job.
I am sorry, I kinda out ah the loop on this Fenwick and Jack argument. Why does Jack don't like Fenwick? I think that Fenwick can do a good job with our players, he knows them well and after reading his comments about Mataruna and those subs, it's clear Fenwick is very educated on our players. Also if for some reason he is offered the job, will he have to quit Jabloteh or can he keep that job while being the national coach?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Controversial on April 02, 2009, 11:02:51 PM
What Fenwick do to make yuh feel that? Win Pro league? What else has he done to make yuh feel he is the man to do the job as international coach?

my sentiments exactly, steve hart is the man for the job, led canada, played in tt, knows all the top players and is a real good coach, fenwick couldnt even make in england and i honestly dont think he will bring a brand of football better than maturana, maturana was a decent coach against latin countries, his short passing style is exactly what we needed... there are 2 ways to look at this, was losing to the US already in the cards, i see people totally avoiding that persepctive.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: triniairman on April 02, 2009, 11:14:16 PM
What Fenwick do to make yuh feel that? Win Pro league? What else has he done to make yuh feel he is the man to do the job as international coach?

my sentiments exactly, steve hart is the man for the job, led canada, played in tt, knows all the top players and is a real good coach, fenwick couldnt even make in england and i honestly dont think he will bring a brand of football better than maturana, maturana was a decent coach against latin countries, his short passing style is exactly what we needed... there are 2 ways to look at this, was losing to the US already in the cards, i see people totally avoiding that persepctive.
Jabloteh does play a nice brand a football and Fenwick does bring out the best in the youngsters on that team. He passionate about the winning if he could lick down opposing players when he losing lol ;D
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 02, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
What Fenwick do to make yuh feel that? Win Pro league? What else has he done to make yuh feel he is the man to do the job as international coach?

In addition to playing an attractive brand ah football (from all reports), he places an emphasis on defense.

Aside from nice football with a defensive bent... he's proven himself a winner with the talent that he has.

Nice, defensive, winning football aside... from reading his comments and interviews he's knowledgeable about the game.

Nice defensive, winning football and knowledge of the game aside... MORE THAN ANYBODY right now with a similar CV, he knows our players.

All ah dat (mih hand crampin') and he knows the culture and could communicate to the players from both a sense of knowledge and a sense of understanding.  He knows the Trinidadian psyche and he knows the psyche of the Trini footballer.  He know which button to push and likely, when to give an encouraging word.  If yuh looking fuh somebody to come in RIGHT NOW and hit the ground running, I challenge you to name one other person more qualified, who knows the players inside out, who won't need additional time to assess players and won't need something of a learning curve. Time is of the essence and he's the right man, right now.

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Triniairman...

Fenwick and the TTFF had a falling out right after Germany with Jabloteh's supposed refusal to release the players for National duty under Wim.  TTFF retaliated by not picking Jabloteh players for a couple games.  Then you had the running feud between him and McComie while McComie was coach of Joe Public... that engendered even more bad blood inside de Warner camp.  McComie go so far as to accuse him of using racist language leading to a big ProLeague investigation... which cleared Fenwick, but the damage was done.  To top that off he's never been one to bite his tongue and he has been critical of the TTFF in the past... I can't remember specifically, but I seem to recall him weighing in on the players side during the WC bonus dispute.

Suffice to say he's something of a persona non grata inside de offices on Dundonald St.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 03, 2009, 12:05:10 AM
bm here...can we afford 7 days ??...we weak ???
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Quags on April 03, 2009, 12:09:42 AM
If we get 4th spot with Fenwick ,I wonder if hes good enough to get us pass the South Americans with this team ?
Title: Re: TTFF Info: April 9th de day for Maturana.
Post by: Mr Fix-it on April 03, 2009, 02:32:02 AM
All but Latas on de block  ;D.....Next up Latas as head coach :beermug:
Title: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Tallman on April 03, 2009, 04:51:49 AM
Maturana must face the music
By Lasana Liburd (T&T Express)


Francisco Maturana would surely have an easy time returning to Trinidad and Tobago.

There would be no egg-wielding dissidents lying in ambush at Piarco International Airport as might be expected after a poor result in countries like Brazil and Italy. There will be no retribution from an angry gun-toting fanatic as was sadly the case for Colombian defender Andres Escobar after the 1994 World Cup.

Maturana will slip in quietly and nod and smile in his polite manner before returning to wherever he lives to do whatever he does between international assignments.

Perhaps he will have his family over. Maybe he would throw a party or paint or head to the beach. Nobody knows. Nobody cares.

There will be no photographers at his doorstep or hate mail. No one will wreck his car-if he has one-or vandalise his property.

Contrary to the evidence of the front pages, Trinidad and Tobago is essentially a friendly country that respects the personal space of citizens and guests alike.

Maturana may have lived in more affluent nations with stronger football ties. But he could not have had more charming hosts than in this twin island republic.

The goodwill of a tiny Caribbean nation, it appears, has been abused.

Trinidad and Tobago's trip to the United States, once again, was an embarrassment. The 3-0 defeat-Wednesday's and last year's-was the worse result ever by the red, white and black away to one of our fiercest rivals.

The rivalry is, admittedly, more one sided than our contests against Caribbean neighbours, Jamaica, and it is unlikely the "Yankees" put a red circle around their clashes with the "Soca Warriors".

Yet, Trinidad and Tobago's hurt after decades of losing thousands of students, relatives and workers to the global superpower, added to the pain of our crushed dreams on November 19, 1989, means that a football match against the United States is not just another game.

Surely, it is not too much to expect empathy from Maturana on such occasions. On match day, at least, he is paid to defend our interests.

There must have been scores of long faces in Tennessee and thousands more in Trinidad and Tobago around their television sets.

Of course, it is only one from ten games and the Warriors' 2010 World Cup campaign is far from decided.

Maturana has seven games left to turn things around and maybe he will.

It is not that the Colombian gentleman is necessarily a poor coach. In fact, statistics suggest otherwise.

The shocker from Bermuda apart, our only defeat on home soil from 20 matches came against an England team that are, at least, among the world's best eight teams. In 12 away games, Maturana's team lost just four outings with as many wins and four draws.

As a young man, "Pacho", who played professionally for 12 years, combined duties as a central defender for Atletico Nacional-where he won two Colombian League titles-with regular trips to the University of Antiquia, where he successfully obtained a degree in dentistry.

It was a remarkable triumph that says much for his strength of character, intelligence and ability to thrive under pressure.

But it is precisely in the arena of temperament and personality that Maturana has left Trinidad and Tobago wanting.

His regular about-turns provoked ridicule in and outside his own dressing room.

Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special advisor Jack Warner did not respect his opinion when, against the Colombian's wishes, he replaced his former assistant, Anton Corneal, with Russell Latapy last December.

And senior players like Clayton Ince, Jason Scotland, Carlos Edwards, Densill Theobald, Stern John, Avery John, Cyd Gray and Chris Birchall, who were all members of the 2006 World Cup squad, have all been perplexed by Maturana's sporadic selection policy.

Edwards was hauled off at half-time during a World Cup qualifier against Guatemala, last September, and was stunned that his coach offered no explanation for the change. Theobald, Scotland, John and Birchall have been there too. When pressed, Maturana's excuses for his tactical meandering often seemed so improbable that players have stopped bothering.

Jones, Trinidad and Tobago's most high-profile player at present, was supposedly rested against Honduras, when three points were a necessity, and then used for 90 minutes away to the United States where we have never taken more than a solitary point.

Anthony Wolfe, an attacking midfielder or striker by trade, was deployed at right back and replaced at the interval by a central defender.

At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

It is Maturana's job to make such decisions. But is it too much for him to explain his thoughts to the nation that assured him a fairly comfortable life for the past 15 months and come out to support his set-ups on match day?

Might he tell us why we should believe in his ability to take us to South Africa at all?

It is time for the Colombian to explain himself. Not through the TTFF's press officer but directly to the public who support his team and afford him the lifestyle-and this is not confined to monetary terms-that he has enjoyed here.

If Maturana does not respect Trinidad and Tobago, he should not expect respect in return.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 03, 2009, 05:26:22 AM
i think the TEAM and the COACH owe the nation an apology

this time they really really kicked us in the teeth with that perfromance

Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Trini on April 03, 2009, 05:32:38 AM
Agree with Storeboy, JW will be scouring the industry to get a high-profile coach for the Warriors.
As they say in the Premiership, there is a thing called "new-coach energy". A change in coach gives the team a renewed momentum, players reset themselves and have to prove themselves again, pluys fresh new ideas, etc etc. It results most of the time in short term improvements, with sustainable betterment less rare (eg the classical Sbragia scenario at Sunderland).
I dont know who is available at the present time for the coaching job.
I know for sure we will not be seeing Roy Keane in Trinidad, although this is the kinda personality that will have the boys at a different level of intensity..
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: andre samuel on April 03, 2009, 05:50:46 AM
Excellent Article Lisana.......

ah love it!!

nb: Isnt that a good record that Maturana has? Hmmm!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Deeks on April 03, 2009, 05:53:03 AM
Please think hard before we hire a foreign coach again. If we do, then lean towards the Dutch side again. There is Frank Rijkaard. Also Ruud Guillit(but less so). Locally there is Stewart Charles, Terry Fenwick. Both have been successful locally. Then there is Latas. Also Vranes. Take your picks!!!!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: arrow on April 03, 2009, 05:54:27 AM
If we get 4th spot with Fenwick ,I wonder if hes good enough to get us pass the South Americans with this team ?

we should be so lucky to worry about that.  Doh worry we could always bring back Pacho for that match  ::)
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Babalawo on April 03, 2009, 06:33:18 AM
any press conferences?
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Andre on April 03, 2009, 07:03:42 AM
WE WANT SVEN!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Sam on April 03, 2009, 07:03:52 AM
Latas cannot be head coach as yet, I prefer Terry Fenwick.

Emergency, Emergency !!!!! somebody help meh...
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: noize on April 03, 2009, 07:04:29 AM
It's amazing to me that some people on here still don't want to give Fenwick ah chance seeing what he has continued to achieve and added to local football in the past few years. I agree from the reports I've heard he is a pushy loud mouth but look how he has been able to develop young players consistently and has brought his team of the League every year...maybe his brute no nonsense attitude is what gains respect among his players. Right now I would take a "Big Stone with moss" growing on it ova Maturana. He continues to make bad decisions and the players obviously have no respect for him or his vision based on their last performances. For us to have any chance of making it, we have to a coach that can pick the right team, develop our weaker players and bring back confidence in the players that they can play and win this game against any team in the world. Until then we might as well face it the DREAM IS OVER!!! >:(
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Sam on April 03, 2009, 07:07:54 AM
If I was based in T&T I woulda love to meet Maturana right about now, ah woulda pelt him with ganda eggs for sure.

I say, give Terry Fenwick head coach and assistants to Dwight Yorke (F coach), Russell Latapy (M coach), Stuart Charles (D coach) and Zoran Vranes (Second in charge).

Unless Jack could convience Beenhakker to come back.

Emergency, Emergency !!!!! somebody help meh...
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Arimaman on April 03, 2009, 07:08:28 AM
I not blaming the TTFF for taking 9 days...what is the rush?  At least it go give them so time to identify and negotiate a contract with a new coach and have a succession plan in place.   
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 07:12:33 AM
"Face the music", alyuh mean turn off the damm music. >:( The party done, go home. Good night.  :(
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: samo on April 03, 2009, 07:13:39 AM
Maturana was on my flight from Nashville to Atlanta, so was Latas and the local based except for Akile Edwards.. Ince was also on the flight....Obviously the airport or worse yet the airplane ain't no place to get pissed at the man, but boy was I tempted...
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: WestCoast on April 03, 2009, 07:26:02 AM
"Face the music", alyuh mean turn off the damm music. >:( The party done, go home. Good night.  :(
what
no more "las' Lap" :devil:

better choice of players and subs HAVE to be made in the future
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 07:28:28 AM
Maturana was on my flight from Nashville to Atlanta, so was Latas and the local based except for Akile Edwards.. Ince was also on the flight....Obviously the airport or worse yet the airplane ain't no place to get pissed at the man, but boy was I tempted...

Let that was ah flight with some Spanish man from Elsavador nah.  Weh de smiley for ah man getting realle licks on ah plane?
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: fordy on April 03, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
since the game i havent heard a press conference from maturana himself talking about the game on wednesday. did i miss something or he just dont care to give an explanation as to the shit that was displayed in nashville?
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 07:37:28 AM
since the game i havent heard a press conference from maturana himself talking about the game on wednesday. did i miss something or he just dont care to give an explanation as to the shit that was displayed in nashville?

Why give a press conference when you begging to be fired?  ???
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Touches on April 03, 2009, 07:37:58 AM
Steups...Right after we came back from Bermuda he was supposed to go.

Pacho was supposed to flap he wings as we bow out the Gold Cup.

We was supposed to pelt the damn cage/branch/ole tyre whatever it is he does perch on at the beginning of the Hex...It was the USA victory that save he arse.

From since Ash Wed this man ent do nuttin with this side, I have seen no improvement. The same problems...lack of midfield, no clue in the attacking 3rd, lack of set piece ability(attacking and defending), poor player selection, baffling subs, jokey formation and finally...poor results against mediocre/shit teams.

The only good thing this man do is give youth a chance...

and the hurtful thing is these same youths ent repay the man in no way or how. Is he arse to ketch.

How much men with no kinda football pedigree get 2-3 games with this national side. He cheapen the national team and bring down wearing the red shirt to a blasted fete match/coaching clinic.

Of all the men who get a bly only Hyland and Jamal Guy get a contract.

You waste men time who are pros or who could contribute in a positive manner, he pull real man stones..guerra, james, patterson, noel, scotland, birchall, glenn to name a few.

Yuh doh experiment with Gold Cup Qualifier and World Cup qualifier...you go with tried, true and tested.

He 4k up big time.

But at the same time it ent all he fault...the players hadda take the blame too.

Pacho thanks for your efforts...go back to pulling teeth and minding horse.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: samo on April 03, 2009, 07:45:23 AM
Quote
Latas cannot be head coach as yet, I prefer Terry Fenwick.

Emergency, Emergency !!!!! somebody help meh...

No problem with Fenwick, but not at this stage.. I rather get a coach who have success on an international level.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: NUFF on April 03, 2009, 07:48:29 AM
I prefer if we get a foreign coach because that way all players will start with a clean slate.  The arguments that I have seen on this board for Terry Fenwick as coach are valid ones.  The one hesitation I have with making Fenwick coach is we risk having a controversy about him having a biased selection policy, especially if he picks a lot of jabloteh players for the national team.

To the people calling for Ruud Gullitt to be head coach has he ever been successful in his coaching career? (asking because I am not to familiar with his early coaching career.  I think his last two jobs have been failures)  We shouldn't just call for somebody because they have a big name.  We want somebaody who has been successful and is a strict disciplinarian.

There are a lot of lesser known coaches who have had success with African teams.  It might not be a bad idea to have a closer look at a few of them.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 03, 2009, 07:51:48 AM
really hope this ting materialise and he eh beg and get ah free pass to fuk we some more.SEND HIM PACKIN CRACKALACKIN.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Bourbon on April 03, 2009, 08:05:17 AM
Wait.

Maturana must face the music
By Lasana Liburd (T&T Express)



At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.



So yuh mean Akile eh even a left back? Nex ting dis man get tie up and call de wrong edwards.


And anyhow..allyuh hadda admit Pacho never was respected..he was like a enuch since he reach. Yeah it disrespectful you here so long you eh learn english..still hadda rely on translator...buh.....de man was a puppet right thru. De man say he eh want latas on de coaching staff he want him on de field.....Jack tell de man HHMC and latas is assistant coach. A wrong ting is a wrong ting..and dat eh right to do to any coach. Man salt theobald for giving stern the captains armband...yeh i go say de length of time was a bit extreme...buh.....he was never allowed full respect and control in my view. And he eh help with he zigzag approach at all. Personally for me....dat latas ting woulda be de last straw....and dahs wha he musbe doing..he eh care again...why should he.....let dem do wha dey want....once dey fire him dey hadda pay out he contract....once dey keep him dey payin him...so let dem reap wha dey sow.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 08:13:40 AM
Wait.

Maturana must face the music
By Lasana Liburd (T&T Express)



At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.



So yuh mean Akile eh even a left back? Nex ting dis man get tie up and call de wrong edwards.


And anyhow..allyuh hadda admit Pacho never was respected..he was like a enuch since he reach. Yeah it disrespectful you here so long you eh learn english..still hadda rely on translator...buh.....de man was a puppet right thru. De man say he eh want latas on de coaching staff he want him on de field.....Jack tell de man HHMC and latas is assistant coach. A wrong ting is a wrong ting..and dat eh right to do to any coach. Man salt theobald for giving stern the captains armband...yeh i go say de length of time was a bit extreme...buh.....he was never allowed full respect and control in my view. And he eh help with he zigzag approach at all. Personally for me....dat latas ting woulda be de last straw....and dahs wha he musbe doing..he eh care again...why should he.....let dem do wha dey want....once dey fire him dey hadda pay out he contract....once dey keep him dey payin him...so let dem reap wha dey sow.

Yuh hit the nail on the head right deh. If you are a top coach you must demand respect from your players and also the organization. To make a long story short., he is a result of his own disaster. If the players see that you are weak, then guess what? All hell break loose and worst yet yuh cah talk no English.  That was not happening with Bennie. Anyway next coach please…
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 08:17:05 AM
All yuh, this is Jack style.  He is giving himself 7 days  to find the new coach.  He is just waiting to be sure who the next coach is and then he will announce that Maturana is fired and name the new coach.  At least that is my prayer fro the next seven days!  Now Maturana should jump be he is pushed off the cliff.

Ent! He should retire before embarrassment.  ;D
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: palos on April 03, 2009, 08:20:14 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Bourbon on April 03, 2009, 08:27:17 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?

I assuming dat he means a left wing...and a left back. a wingback is a left back....but overlaps. buh....edwards cyar afford to overlap with keon on dat flank..cuz dahs zero help. In one of the training videos in Nashville....i saw a part where edwards was pushing up in the scrimmage.....now...it seeming more plausible.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Coop's on April 03, 2009, 08:41:02 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?

I assuming dat he means a left wing...and a left back. a wingback is a left back....but overlaps. buh....edwards cyar afford to overlap with keon on dat flank..cuz dahs zero help. In one of the training videos in Nashville....i saw a part where edwards was pushing up in the scrimmage.....now...it seeming more plausible.
        What is it you really trying to say?don't make this thing more complicated than it really is nah,in other words forget the assumption.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Bourbon on April 03, 2009, 08:43:25 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?

I assuming dat he means a left wing...and a left back. a wingback is a left back....but overlaps. buh....edwards cyar afford to overlap with keon on dat flank..cuz dahs zero help. In one of the training videos in Nashville....i saw a part where edwards was pushing up in the scrimmage.....now...it seeming more plausible.
        What is it you really trying to say?don't make this thing more complicated than it really is nah,in other words forget the assumption.

Well i assuming defense force employs two persons named edwards on de left.....with different roles. One with more defensive responsibilities than the other. And.....seems like somebody get tie up with who doing what.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Coop's on April 03, 2009, 08:51:05 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
   

I assuming dat he means a left wing...and a left back. a wingback is a left back....but overlaps. buh....edwards cyar afford to overlap with keon on dat flank..cuz dahs zero help. In one of the training videos in Nashville....i saw a part where edwards was pushing up in the scrimmage.....now...it seeming more plausible.
        What is it you really trying to say?don't make this thing more complicated than it really is nah,in other words forget the assumption.

Well i assuming defense force employs two persons named edwards on de left.....with different roles. One with more defensive responsibilities than the other. And.....seems like somebody get tie up with who doing what.
        Thanks  :beermug:
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 03, 2009, 09:02:21 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
Men does use full back and wing back interchangeably on here, but me eh want to correct nobody. But as far as I understand, a wing back is a more advanced player in a defensive 5-3-2/3-5-2 system. They play further up the field more like a left wing but fall back in defence alongside 3 centre backs. Halfway between full back and winger, hence: wing back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_(football)#Wingback

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41707000/gif/_41707346_wing_back_416.gif)
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Storeboy on April 03, 2009, 09:07:39 AM
Even under Wim with only home-grown players, we played much better, were very organized and looked to be getting better with every game.  We played respectable in the GC.  With all these foreign-based players, we have no structure, no fight.  But then Wim play the fool.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 09:22:48 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
Men does use full back and wing back interchangeably on here, but me eh want to correct nobody. But as far as I understand, a wing back is a more advanced player in a defensive 5-3-2/3-5-2 system. They play further up the field more like a left wing but fall back in defence alongside 3 centre backs. Halfway between full back and winger, hence: wing back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_(football)#Wingback

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41707000/gif/_41707346_wing_back_416.gif)

Those wing backs would need to be real real fit, to play in that 3-5-2 system.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Bourbon on April 03, 2009, 09:27:03 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
Men does use full back and wing back interchangeably on here, but me eh want to correct nobody. But as far as I understand, a wing back is a more advanced player in a defensive 5-3-2/3-5-2 system. They play further up the field more like a left wing but fall back in defence alongside 3 centre backs. Halfway between full back and winger, hence: wing back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_(football)#Wingback

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41707000/gif/_41707346_wing_back_416.gif)

Those wing backs would need to be real real fit, to play in that 3-5-2 system.

Buh ent people was vex when he try de 3-5-2?

Allyuh hadda understand...we cyar get everyting.
We play 2 strikers..de midfield thin..
We play 3-5-2...de wingers eh using the width and is comess in de defense.
We play 4-5-1......dat eh how we does play...we need two strikers.....

It like rock paper scissors. Allyuh hadda understand dat. Personally...i would go with a 4-5-1.....with men who go run until dey have blood in dey socks on de wing. Buh...dahs jus me..ize a armchair coach.
Title: Re: TTFF Info: April 9th de day for Maturana.
Post by: Fyzoman on April 03, 2009, 09:31:16 AM
All but Latas on de block  ;D.....Next up Latas as head coach :beermug:

yuh know as ah big Latas supporter....now me eh want Latas as no head coach. I want somebody new (and foreign)man, ah feel it go be more of de same wid Latas, men who eh have no right to be playing international football go still be pulling on the national team jersey, ah cyah take no more ah dat man!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: jaden on April 03, 2009, 09:39:59 AM
why we waiting so long .yuh see mexico act immediately
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: jaden on April 03, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
fenwick does only win with jabloteh. ent when he did leave jabloteh and gone to take up some 2nd division english team he get fired after a couple months and end up right back at jabloteh. he is a trinidad pro league coach
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 03, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
i honestly dont think he will bring a brand of football better than maturana, maturana was a decent coach against latin countries, his short passing style is exactly what we needed
Double U. Tee. Eff.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: che on April 03, 2009, 10:12:05 AM
Why wait sooooooooo long  ???. Fire him now  >:(
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Coop's on April 03, 2009, 10:13:58 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
Men does use full back and wing back interchangeably on here, but me eh want to correct nobody. But as far as I understand, a wing back is a more advanced player in a defensive 5-3-2/3-5-2 system. They play further up the field more like a left wing but fall back in defence alongside 3 centre backs. Halfway between full back and winger, hence: wing back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_(football)#Wingback

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41707000/gif/_41707346_wing_back_416.gif)

Those wing backs would need to be real real fit, to play in that 3-5-2 system.

Buh ent people was vex when he try de 3-5-2?

Allyuh hadda understand...we cyar get everyting.
We play 2 strikers..de midfield thin..
We play 3-5-2...de wingers eh using the width and is comess in de defense.
We play 4-5-1......dat eh how we does play...we need two strikers.....

It like rock paper scissors. Allyuh hadda understand dat. Personally...i would go with a 4-5-1.....with men who go run until dey have blood in dey socks on de wing. Buh...dahs jus me..ize a armchair coach.
       :applause: :applause: :applause: i like you,doh worry with them,armchair Coaches do make sense too (common sense).
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: elan on April 03, 2009, 10:17:23 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?
Men does use full back and wing back interchangeably on here, but me eh want to correct nobody. But as far as I understand, a wing back is a more advanced player in a defensive 5-3-2/3-5-2 system. They play further up the field more like a left wing but fall back in defence alongside 3 centre backs. Halfway between full back and winger, hence: wing back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_(football)#Wingback

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41707000/gif/_41707346_wing_back_416.gif)

Those wing backs would need to be real real fit, to play in that 3-5-2 system.

Can you say Bosingwa, Roberto Carlos, etc.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Brownsugar on April 03, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
Lord ah need to stay away from this site today.....however, just heard on I95.5fm that TTFF has brought their meeting forward by one day and Terry Fenwick was on record as saying he is interested in the job....stay tuned....ok ah not posting again for the rest of the day.....(I hope.. ;D)
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Rodney on April 03, 2009, 10:33:41 AM
Whoever we hire, be it Fenwick, Lata's, SH......or flippin Sven (as he out ah wuk), as long as dey show that some thought has been put into our squad selection, starting XI, tactics and they get a bit more effort out of our players, I will support them. Afroman has always given me the impression that he dosen't genuinely believe we have a chance of qualifying, and also thinks Trinbagonians are just a bunch of happy go lucky people who have ah "Oh Well!" mentality to failure. He just not serious enough, He is just going through the motions of being a coach with us. If he was serious I can't imagine some of the things he been doing would have happened.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: palos on April 03, 2009, 10:46:35 AM
Lord ah need to stay away from this site today.....however, just heard on I95.5fm that TTFF has brought their meeting forward by one day and Terry Fenwick was on record as saying he is interested in the job....stay tuned....ok ah not posting again for the rest of the day.....(I hope.. ;D)

Terry Fenwick been camapignin fuh de wuk since Porterfield days.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: che on April 03, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Lord ah need to stay away from this site today.....however, just heard on I95.5fm that TTFF has brought their meeting forward by one day and Terry Fenwick was on record as saying he is interested in the job....stay tuned....ok ah not posting again for the rest of the day.....(I hope.. ;D)

But you real bold face to just ups and just stop posting just so  ;D
I for one like to read what you have to say.
so please don't stop.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: lefty on April 03, 2009, 10:55:02 AM
i would go with a 4-5-1.....with men who go run until dey have blood in dey socks on de wing. Buh...dahs jus me..ize a armchair coach.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Big Magician on April 03, 2009, 11:10:00 AM
STOREBOY..plz explain how "WIM Play de fool"
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Bakes on April 03, 2009, 11:18:44 AM
Good article Lasana... harsh, but tempered at the same time.  Very good.


The Escobar reference was unfortunate though... that could have been left alone.



(unlikely that something like that would ever happen... but you never know, no need to give anyone ideas.)
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Big Magician on April 03, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
thanks Rodney...yuh save meh some typing dey..plus curry fish on mehh fingers too...thanks
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
Whoever we hire, be it Fenwick, Lata's, SH......or flippin Sven (as he out ah wuk), as long as dey show that some thought has been put into our squad selection, starting XI, tactics and they get a bit more effort out of our players, I will support them. Afroman has always given me the impression that he dosen't genuinely believe we have a chance of qualifying, and also thinks Trinbagonians are just a bunch of happy go lucky people who have ah "Oh Well!" mentality to failure. He just not serious enough, He is just going through the motions of being a coach with us. If he was serious I can't imagine some of the things he been doing would have happened.

No curry but I go cosign
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: freakazoid on April 03, 2009, 11:37:10 AM
incite
–verb (used with object), -cit⋅ed, -cit⋅ing.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action: to incite a crowd to riot.

 :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 11:49:26 AM
STOREBOY..plz explain how "WIM Play de fool"

Sarcasm • noun the use of irony to mock or convey contempt
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: rippin on April 03, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
When Fenwick win the CONCACAF champions League then he could talk. Till then he need to handle Jabloteh business. Also Fenwick and some of the foreign pros ain't go blend well.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 12:00:16 PM
Is already a circus wit Fenick it go b a 3 ring circus
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: noize on April 03, 2009, 01:01:29 PM
Does anybody have any suggestions about which quality coach is available for the job???
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 01:03:33 PM
Does anybody have any suggestions about which quality coach is available for the job???

At dis pt once he worse than d incumbent tings go b lookin up.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: slates on April 03, 2009, 01:21:51 PM
I just concerned about Latas from this point of view: Didn't he just give up "a lot" at Falkirk to join de Warriors coaching staff. So with the possible introduction of a new coach, way dat leave Latas now. I just hope he don't get left by d wayside and have to go back Falkirk with he tail between he legs. But yuh know what, he shoulda know better dealin with Jack. I just hope Latas eh left out butt naked in d cold.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 01:24:56 PM
I just concerned about Latas from this point of view: Didn't he just give up "a lot" at Falkirk to join de Warriors coaching staff. So with the possible introduction of a new coach, way dat leave Latas now. I just hope he don't get left by d wayside and have to go back Falkirk with he tail between he legs. But yuh know what, he shoulda know better dealin with Jack. I just hope Latas eh left out butt naked in d cold.

Dat is d risk of goin in bed wit Jack and I  :praying: dat he consider dat when he agree 2 give up what he had in Scotland.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 01:25:11 PM
I just concerned about Latas from this point of view: Didn't he just give up "a lot" at Falkirk to join de Warriors coaching staff. So with the possible introduction of a new coach, way dat leave Latas now. I just hope he don't get left by d wayside and have to go back Falkirk with he tail between he legs. But yuh know what, he shoulda know better dealin with Jack. I just hope Latas eh left out butt naked in d cold.

I was thinking the same thing.  :-\ That go be a real sad story.  :(
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 01:29:35 PM
I just concerned about Latas from this point of view: Didn't he just give up "a lot" at Falkirk to join de Warriors coaching staff. So with the possible introduction of a new coach, way dat leave Latas now. I just hope he don't get left by d wayside and have to go back Falkirk with he tail between he legs. But yuh know what, he shoulda know better dealin with Jack. I just hope Latas eh left out butt naked in d cold.

I was thinking the same thing.  :-\ That go be a real sad story.  :(

Sad but very possible story
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: WestCoast on April 03, 2009, 02:09:47 PM
incite
–verb (used with object), -cit⋅ed, -cit⋅ing.
to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action: to incite a crowd to riot.

( :whistling: :whistling: )2

the message was ok but the mode was kinda negative
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 03, 2009, 02:43:12 PM
imagine we team just get embarassed and they  have to hold a meeting to fire this joker .... Why don't he just resign and done ....... quit nuh man >:(  .. I think he see trinis as chupid people .. he lorse to bermuda and still have wuk we out get knock ah the digicel and he still have wuk....
while   Sven get scaked in honduras .... Even burrell fire simoes  in honduras  also!!  he went straight to brazil from honduras ...
maturana should have been boarding a flight to bogota or cali colombia after that game
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 03, 2009, 02:47:01 PM
imagine we team just get embarassed and they  have to hold a meeting to fire this joker .... Why don't he just resign and done ....... quit nuh man >:(  .. I think he see trinis as chupid people .. he lorse to bermuda and still have wuk we out get knock ah the digicel and he still have wuk....
while   Sven get scaked in honduras .... Even burrell fire simoes  in honduras  also!!  he went straight to brazil from honduras ...
maturana should have been boarding a flight to bogota or cali colombia after that game

D man want d money is d easiest money he evr make. Y jump when u can b pushed. He know is jokers he dealin wit.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: injunchile on April 03, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
BRUCE Arena- We need an american Coach who will deliver structure and fitness to this team. He also knows CONCACAF. Plus he has a proven track record. Talk about Discipline- bruce is the man. We like USA in all other things - Why not a coach/
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 03, 2009, 02:53:20 PM
imagine we team just get embarassed and they  have to hold a meeting to fire this joker .... Why don't he just resign and done ....... quit nuh man >:(  .. I think he see trinis as chupid people .. he lorse to bermuda and still have wuk we out get knock ah the digicel and he still have wuk....
while   Sven get scaked in honduras .... Even burrell fire simoes  in honduras  also!!  he went straight to brazil from honduras ...
maturana should have been boarding a flight to bogota or cali colombia after that game

Nah he board ah flight with ah couple people from Trinibago (fans), they offer him drink and ting on de plane after the game back to Trinidad. :-X
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 03, 2009, 05:08:42 PM
mods allyuh do someting bout that pic ah maturana on de homepage bah,ah cyar stand to look at he,dat pic makin he look like one arrogant c**t.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Deeks on April 03, 2009, 05:39:17 PM
Bruce Arena???!!!!!!!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: D.H.W on April 03, 2009, 05:55:22 PM
mods allyuh do someting bout that pic ah maturana on de homepage bah,ah cyar stand to look at he,dat pic makin he look like one arrogant c**t.


hahahahaha  :rotfl:
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: oconnorg on April 03, 2009, 05:57:43 PM
How about this guy

(http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20071013elpepudep_3/LCO340/Ies/Frank_Rijkaard.jpg)  ;D
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: D.H.W on April 03, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
what is quite clear is we need a rel top coach , with no bais .
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Peter on April 03, 2009, 07:25:25 PM
Good article Lasana... harsh, but tempered at the same time.  Very good.


The Escobar reference was unfortunate though... that could have been left alone.



(unlikely that something like that would ever happen... but you never know, no need to give anyone ideas.)

I agree with you, the Escobar reference was in poor taste. Otherwise I liked the article.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 03, 2009, 08:07:45 PM
How about this guy

(http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20071013elpepudep_3/LCO340/Ies/Frank_Rijkaard.jpg)  ;D
I would love that trust meh, but i don't think we stand ah chance in landing him. plus wim would warn him about working for jack.
Title: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Peter on April 04, 2009, 12:11:14 AM
I was browsing the net and now thought of this, Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!

Juande Ramos was looked at as a coaching genius after what he did with Sevilla, but went to Tottenham and laid an absolute EGG, and if he stayed on, they MOST LIKELY would have gotten relegated at the end of the season.

Likewise, Mr. Maturana had a pedigree as a very successful and very well respected coach, but since his arrival in T&T up until now, has been mostly laying eggs along the way, and and astoundingly and even paradoxically, to us outside observers it seems as if the team is progressively getting worse! That is some feat to achieve for a respected coach, I am awed!

When you look at the present situation with Trinidad under coach Maturana, and the situation Tottenham was in under Juande Ramos, the similarities between the two is really amazing and explains alot.

Two well respected and successful coaches who speak Spanish and coach English-speaking teams but cannot speak said teams' language. All the press and info that came out of Tottenham identified that-the coach's inability to speak English, which caused communications breakdowns, made him unable to form relationships and understanding with players- thereby building respect, and inability to fully communicate views and coaching to players on the fly.

Just as Juande Ramos' inability to speak English contributed greatly to his coaching tenure at Tottenham being an absolute nightmare for the club, so too Maturana's inability to speak English and his refusal to learn it has greatly contributed to his his tenure being a nightmare for this country.

Just as Juande Ramos' lack of knowledge of the English game was a contributing factor in his spectacular failure in England, so to Francisco Maturana's lack of knowledge of Concacaf teams and his failure or unwillingness to scout our opponents and relay the information(once again the language barrier comes into play) on each of their players and a game plan to our team allowed USA to walk all over us, and Landon Donovan and Jozy Altidore to run ole mas, without receiving the special attention a proper game plan would have called for. Perhaps the team's utter lack of organisation and Maturana's failure to select our best players and best team is partly caused by a (or many) breakdown in communication because of the language barrier.( Giving Maturana the benefit of the doubt here, lol)

Just like Juande Ramos proved his coaching ability by greatly lifting a faultering Real Madrid team after his humiliation and utter failure at Tottenham, so too Maturana may have great success with team from South America after. What this shows, is that even though a man may be a good coach generally, a good number of variables could come together in such a way that results in him not being a good coach for a particular team at a particular time, or in fact being a nightmarishly bad coach. Sticking with such a coach may spell doom for the coach and the team, while, as Juande Ramos' example has shown, parting with such a coach in most cases results in a better aftermath for both parties.

Also what his example has shown, is that parting too late can still spell doom for the team, look at Tottenham now, they're desperately trying stay out of the relegation zone, and they've had tens of games to get it right. We do not have that luxury in our World Cup Qualifying, but just 7 games left.

Well, thats turned out longer than I expected, I came into this telling myself I going to make sure this is only one or two lines,lol. Anyways, what do you fellas(and ladies) think?

Take care out there peeps. :beermug:
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: andre samuel on April 04, 2009, 04:25:45 AM


Just as Juande Ramos' lack of knowledge of the English game was a contributing factor in his spectacular failure in England, so to Francisco Maturana's lack of knowledge of Concacaf teams and his failure or unwillingness to scout our opponents and relay the information(once again the language barrier comes into play) on each of their players and a game plan to our team allowed USA to walk all over us, and Landon Donovan and Jozy Altidore to run ole mas, without receiving the special attention a proper game plan would have called for. Perhaps the team's utter lack of organisation and Maturana's failure to select our best players and best team is partly caused by a (or many) breakdown in communication because of the language barrier.( Giving Maturana the benefit of the doubt here, lol)


So u seriously think that Maturana didnt scout our opposition? lol

Come on man!! This is taking it too far!! All teams in the HEX are properly scouted, its just in some cases, the players didnt execute!

Maturana's decisions more often than not tend to baffle me, but do u have an idea what his record is as Trinidad and Tobago coach?  Surf the net and learn that England and Bermuda (in that one off anomally match) are the only teams to get the better of us in 20 games at home.

Ramos time at Tottenham was a nightmare, not Maturana's time here. 

We went to Cuba and beat them there 3-1, while USA won 1-0 and Guatemala lost 2-1.

We went to a place where we lost 5-1 in the last campaign but this time we drew 0-0 with ten men.

Our record against Central American teams has improved significantly, and quite frankly, they will be our competition in the HEX, not the USA.

No one gives Maturana credit for anythnig!! We played El Salvador off the park in the first match (first 70 mins) and there was no Lasana Libird article commenting about that, especially as it was in a place that we normally lose. 

When the team does well, its because of Latas and Yorke's imput, but when they lose or dont play well, fire de coach....lol.

At this stage in the last campaign, we played two games at home and one away and had only one point.

In this campaign, we played one game at home and two away and have 2 points.

If we analyze it further, The games we lost in the last campaign was against USA home and Guatemala away (one of our direct rivals for a spot), while we drew against Costa Rica at home (another direct rival)

In this campaign we lost to USA away (who will beat everyone at home) and drew with El Salvador away (direct rival) and Honduras (direct rival). 

Is this such a bad situation to be in? Knowing fully well that we would have been in third place if Dwight and Stern didnt swap penalty roles in El Salvador? OR is that Maturana's fault as well.

ah love it!!

nb: Let it be known that i am not a fan of this Columbian born TT coach.






Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 05:18:37 AM
Personally I am tired readin about his winnin record as d coach of TNT. I have seen d bulk of those games live and in colour. It just makes me believe that sport like life ain't fair. D team eh lookin good and continues 2 play poorly. Therefore we will not reach even reach South Quay wit dis fella.
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 04, 2009, 05:31:02 AM
We and we play guyana about 5 times in them 20 home games
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Peter on April 04, 2009, 06:40:04 AM


Just as Juande Ramos' lack of knowledge of the English game was a contributing factor in his spectacular failure in England, so to Francisco Maturana's lack of knowledge of Concacaf teams and his failure or unwillingness to scout our opponents and relay the information(once again the language barrier comes into play) on each of their players and a game plan to our team allowed USA to walk all over us, and Landon Donovan and Jozy Altidore to run ole mas, without receiving the special attention a proper game plan would have called for. Perhaps the team's utter lack of organisation and Maturana's failure to select our best players and best team is partly caused by a (or many) breakdown in communication because of the language barrier.( Giving Maturana the benefit of the doubt here, lol)


So u seriously think that Maturana didnt scout our opposition? lol

Come on man!! This is taking it too far!! All teams in the HEX are properly scouted, its just in some cases, the players didnt execute!

Maturana's decisions more often than not tend to baffle me, but do u have an idea what his record is as Trinidad and Tobago coach?  Surf the net and learn that England and Bermuda (in that one off anomally match) are the only teams to get the better of us in 20 games at home.

Ramos time at Tottenham was a nightmare, not Maturana's time here. 

We went to Cuba and beat them there 3-1, while USA won 1-0 and Guatemala lost 2-1.

We went to a place where we lost 5-1 in the last campaign but this time we drew 0-0 with ten men.

Our record against Central American teams has improved significantly, and quite frankly, they will be our competition in the HEX, not the USA.

No one gives Maturana credit for anythnig!! We played El Salvador off the park in the first match (first 70 mins) and there was no Lasana Libird article commenting about that, especially as it was in a place that we normally lose. 

When the team does well, its because of Latas and Yorke's imput, but when they lose or dont play well, fire de coach....lol.

At this stage in the last campaign, we played two games at home and one away and had only one point.

In this campaign, we played one game at home and two away and have 2 points.

If we analyze it further, The games we lost in the last campaign was against USA home and Guatemala away (one of our direct rivals for a spot), while we drew against Costa Rica at home (another direct rival)

In this campaign we lost to USA away (who will beat everyone at home) and drew with El Salvador away (direct rival) and Honduras (direct rival). 

Is this such a bad situation to be in? Knowing fully well that we would have been in third place if Dwight and Stern didnt swap penalty roles in El Salvador? OR is that Maturana's fault as well.

ah love it!!

nb: Let it be known that i am not a fan of this Columbian born TT coach.








No brother, I didn't communicate that properly, what I meant to say was"or his inability to properly relay the information scouted." I'm saying his not knowing English meant he couldn't properly communicate his plans,(and thats if the teams were properly scouted in the first place, I'm saying they weren't, I'm just objectively introducing that possibility) because I don't want to believe his plans were so atrocious that Jozy Alitore and Landon Donovan(the man who does always mash we up) couldn't be given special attention. Either he didn't study the USA team and our previous games against them properly, or the US team was properly studied but his plans were flawed, or his plans were brilliant, but he couldn't properly get it across to all the players because of the language barrier- or he didn't drill them in the planned play properly before the game, or the team simply doesn't have respect for him and won't properly take his directions.

I'm just trying to present an objective view on the situation going on now with this team and Mr.Maturana. It probably wasn't really objective, I didn't have the time to read it over. Personally, I think the cause of the USA performance was a little dash of all of the above, and some more.
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Peter on April 04, 2009, 07:19:41 AM
I agree with Andre Samuel that I'm probably being too harsh(which isn't like me, lol) I also agree that the results haven't been terrible, but the thing is we've had our fair share of luck before, and the performances were hardly ever particularly solid or organised, but our luck ran out and we were exposed for our disorganisation against a polar opposite USA team. It wasn't so much the loss that has people concerned brother, but the manner of the performance.

I absolutely dislike even coming close to calling for a man to lose his job, but sometimes things come together in such a way(stars align) that even a good proven coach could be the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time, resulting in even said good proven coach having a very bad time and being unsuccessful, I think this has happened to Mr.Maturana, and in instances like these its usually best that parties split sooner than later after this is realised, both for the coach's sake n the team's sake. I think if he leaves here he'll most likely have success with his next team, you see it all the time in football.

I could list the factors that probably came together to result in coach Maturana not being able to coax a decent organised and solid performance out of the team regularly(or even put out the best team n players to begin with, but dat is another story), and there are MANY I can think of, but alas I doh have the time now, but one major one I"ll leave you with is, a big breakdown of respect towards him(or sadly was there very much to begin with), both from the players and the authorities.

It really isn't anything personal coach, I'm just looking out for the team's best interest, and being the nice guy that I am, I'm honestly even looking out for YOUR best interest. I honestly felt really happy for Juande Ramos to see the guy successful and happy at Real Madrid, rather than the sullen tortured figure I saw at Tottenham.
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2009, 08:13:07 AM
The only thing you got wrong is he started laying eggs way before he landed at Piarco International ,hes being fired by lots of ppl over the last few yrs fans hate him in many places .
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 04, 2009, 09:02:38 AM
The only thing you got wrong is he started laying eggs way before he landed at Piarco International ,hes being fired by lots of ppl over the last few yrs fans hate him in many places .
Yeah. People keep talking bout this great reputation he have. He had success with Colombia, but his reputation otherwise is shit. Dem Costa Ricans on BigSoccer was warning us bout Pacho, offering sympathy and shit.
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2009, 09:03:15 AM
I had a strong urge to hit him with mih laptop when ah see him in JFK Thursday, had to restrain myself...steups!!

Weary wha you worried about....as long as we play ugly but win....you good yes... steups..::)
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Socapro on April 04, 2009, 09:04:19 AM

Is this such a bad situation to be in? Knowing fully well that we would have been in third place if Dwight and Stern didnt swap penalty roles in El Salvador? OR is that Maturana's fault as well.


Bollocks!!
There was no guarantee that Dwight would have scored if he took that penalty instead of Stern!
And so it goes sometimes with penalties, sometimes penalties are missed by the best of players for a variety of factors!
The real reason we lost that game was because of massive coaching blunders!
After Stern’s penalty miss we were still 2 goals up afterall.  All that was required was to change strategy from there on and defend a comfortable 2 goal cushion with less than 15 minutes to go! What does Maturana do? We bring on 2 fresh attackers rather than the logical and safe thing which is to bring on 2 fresh defenders, close up shop & resort to ball possession to run down the clock!
No one to blame but the coach for that lost period!
We would have been on at least 4 points right now and his job would have been safe but the positive I see in how things have transpired is that we will hopefully see the back of Maturana by this Thursday which should drastically better our chances of making it to SA2010 next year and us doing the Caribbean region proud once we get there!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
Actually D-day is April 8th....Easter weekend nah, the 9th cutting into to people long weekend time....peeps need to fly out and thing for vacation....ah hope Maturana on one of those flights as well.... >:(
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: RyanTT on April 04, 2009, 10:09:24 AM
Yeah He Reall Hadda Go !!!! Break D Bank Jack Mancini Cud Take A Lil 2 year 1 year contract
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Fyzoman on April 04, 2009, 10:35:41 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I a little confused here.  What's the difference between left back and left wing back?

I assuming dat he means a left wing...and a left back. a wingback is a left back....but overlaps. buh....edwards cyar afford to overlap with keon on dat flank..cuz dahs zero help. In one of the training videos in Nashville....i saw a part where edwards was pushing up in the scrimmage.....now...it seeming more plausible.
        What is it you really trying to say?don't make this thing more complicated than it really is nah,in other words forget the assumption.

Coops i agree, meh head start spinning....ay, allyuh doh mamaguy we, edwards eh have the skill to do no pushing up, no wait ah take that back, he could probably do that in Army scrimmage and de local pro league, not in international football.

Bottom line once Mats gone we need a foreigner who who will take one look at de laborers on dis team and tell dem to go and prepare for de local pro league, yuh know kinda like Beenie do wid certain men nah.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Sando on April 04, 2009, 10:52:02 AM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I have said it in the past and now Lasana confirm it.

Aklie is a left wing or better in that position.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: College on April 04, 2009, 10:57:36 AM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
			
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 12:32:21 PM
At the other flank, Maturana persists with Defence Force player Aklie Edwards although the regiment team clearly consider his namesake, Michael Edwards, to be the better defender-Defence Force coach Kerry Jamerson used Edwards (M) at left back and Edwards (A) at left wing back last season.

I have said it in the past and now Lasana confirm it.

Aklie is a left wing or better in that position.

So what all Edwards is d same. He pick Michael 4 d return leg in Bermuda has not been seen off since. So is d wrong Edwards dat gettin call all d time?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 12:38:18 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 12:41:13 PM

Is this such a bad situation to be in? Knowing fully well that we would have been in third place if Dwight and Stern didnt swap penalty roles in El Salvador? OR is that Maturana's fault as well.


Bollocks!!
There was no guarantee that Dwight would have scored if he took that penalty instead of Stern!
And so it goes sometimes with penalties, sometimes penalties are missed by the best of players for a variety of factors!
The real reason we lost that game was because of massive coaching blunders!



After Stern’s penalty miss we were still 2 goals up afterall.  All that was required was to change strategy from there on and defend a comfortable 2 goal cushion with less than 15 minutes to go! What does Maturana do? We bring on 2 fresh attackers rather than the logical and safe thing which is to bring on 2 fresh defenders, close up shop & resort to ball possession to run down the clock!
No one to blame but the coach for that lost period!
We would have been on at least 4 points right now and his job would have been safe but the positive I see in how things have transpired is that we will hopefully see the back of Maturana by this Thursday which should drastically better our chances of making it to SA2010 next year and us doing the Caribbean region proud once we get there!

Is d psychic network Dwight woulda score.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 12:52:01 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 01:01:01 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.
@ LEAST HE'S NOT GOING TO BE COACHING THE SENIOR TEAM RIGHT ? i telling allyuh now , if this man remain in this senior team job, then i not following this hex or national football until he and maybe even jack leave we football alone.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2009, 01:06:04 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: D.H.W on April 04, 2009, 01:08:19 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2009, 01:12:35 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ least 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Victor on April 04, 2009, 07:26:34 PM
Tallman, WestCoast or Eman:

I need allyuh help.  A few months ago, Brownsugar made a post I would like to see on this thread.  Alas, I cannot find the post. Could somebody find it for me, if possible and it's not too much trouble?

She exhorted the powers that be to get rid of Maturana -  :beermug: - because she was convinced he wasn't going to take us anywhere and they shouldn't wait until it actually happpens.

That post was succinct, descriptive and right on the money. I would like Brownsugar to reread that post. Her words helped  prepare me for the situation we are in today.

Respect Brownsugar!


"Don't  Sweat The Small Stuff... and it's all small stuff"
Richard Carlson
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

Meh sources say so. 4 all we let we hope dey wrong and in dis period of easter we get some resurection
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: verycute1 on April 04, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(

Have a drink or two lady..... breathe.

But anyhoo, last nite I had a wierd dream (must be the anaesthesia and the painkillers still in my system) I dream we organise a mail campaign to Jack. The letters were sent to the main office (whatever the address is an on each envelope was written

Mr. Jack Warner,
Whatever the address is,
ATTN: FIRE MATURANA NOW

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I wake up an still remembered the dream. The point is Just cool has a good idea. Flood the office (or Jack house) with phone calls, letters, emails, placcards, heck somebody find out how much it is to take out a billboard on the highway. Beg one of them radio stations to organise a "Honk at noon if you want a new coach day"  Car rally an have a set of cars driving up an down outside HQ.  I for one even though I living foreign, wouldnt mind sending a postcard or two or five.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2009, 07:46:02 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(

Have a drink or two lady..... breathe.

But anyhoo, last nite I had a wierd dream (must be the anaesthesia and the painkillers still in my system) I dream we organise a mail campaign to Jack. The letters were sent to the main office (whatever the address is an on each envelope was written

Mr. Jack Warner,
Whatever the address is,
ATTN: FIRE MATURANA NOW

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I wake up an still remembered the dream. The point is Just cool has a good idea. Flood the office (or Jack house) with phone calls, letters, emails, placcards, heck somebody find out how much it is to take out a billboard on the highway. Beg one of them radio stations to organise a "Honk at noon if you want a new coach day"  Car rally an have a set of cars driving up an down outside HQ.  I for one even though I living foreign, wouldnt mind sending a postcard or two or five.

I like d horn idea and another post have d email address
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2009, 08:07:48 PM
Fellas the number of times I raise mih blood pressure over this coach from the period Ash Wednesday 08 till now, I myself cyar remember the post of which Victor speaks....
The only thing I could think of is a couple posts where I ended with a big red "MATURANA MUST GO!!!" at the end around the time we lost in Chicago (I think it was Chicago but pick any other time Maturana screw up with his selections and yuh might strike gold)..... :-\

Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bourbon on April 04, 2009, 08:27:30 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.

Why? Is jus a game.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Victor on April 04, 2009, 08:39:39 PM
Tallman, WestCoast or Eman:

I need allyuh help.  A few months ago, Brownsugar made a post I would like to see on this thread.  Alas, I cannot find the post. Could somebody find it for me, if possible and it's not too much trouble?

She exhorted the powers that be to get rid of Maturana -  :beermug: - because she was convinced he wasn't going to take us anywhere and they shouldn't wait until it actually happpens.

That post was succinct, descriptive and right on the money. I would like Brownsugar to reread that post. Her words helped  prepare me for the situation we are in today.

Respect Brownsugar!


"Don't  Sweat The Small Stuff... and it's all small stuff"
Richard Carlson


well i went through all BrownSugar's posts and found this one?
is this the one you were after?


I didn't plan to come on here tonight....ah thought ah would sleep off de nightmare and come on tomorrow....but ah addicted to dis forum too much....

Anywho, after what I see with mih own 2 eyes today.....unless Maturana and dem know something me ent know....we not going no flecking where!!!...

First thing....we defence shaky no arse with 4 men in it, but yuh start with a 3-5-2 formation??  have we ever tried that system in the friendlies we've had recently??  If no, why PLAY DAT SYSTEM 2DAY??!!......and de players just looking out of sorts between Lawrence and Hislop...

Den de #7 for Bermuda - Ming - we had no answer for he....and he was just one player of the Bermudian team who had real fight and hustle and thing......wha happen nobody scout de Bermudians??!!!....

Den de Bermudians fighting we for EVERY ball....our players.....dem escorting men into we area....and when dey not doing dat, dey giving dem acres of space....We had no creative spark in midfield to move the play forward.....no ideas when we have de ball.....players not supporting each other, for example, at one point Carlos bringing in the ball...he coming up against defenders and he still trying to get in the box to score and NOT ONE PLAYER ARRIVE TO HELP DE MAN.....NOT ONE....

Look.....steups...thank God I went Germany yes.....I have mih memories to keep mih till when friggin ever.....

 :'( :'( >:( >:( :banginghead: :banginghead: :frustrated: :frustrated:  :'( :'( >:(

Pavlov,

Thanks for trying, but that isn't the post. I did a bad job of trying to convey to you what she said. Sorry! I should have done my homework properly.

Thanks again for your effort.

Respect.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 04, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
I really do believe that the masses have heard our voices thru the grape vines crying out to "FIRE MATURANA NOW". If they decide not to fire him, then we'll further understand where the real problem exists. :-\ Let us wait on a decision from the meeting planned. Hopefully as someone said this is only giving time to JW to find or have another in place by then to release cobo man of his duties. 
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2009, 09:22:07 PM
Victor, I am givin it one last try ;)
WC

Tallman, WestCoast or Eman:
I need allyuh help.  A few months ago, Brownsugar made a post I would like to see on this thread.  Alas, I cannot find the post. Could somebody find it for me, if possible and it's not too much trouble?
She exhorted the powers that be to get rid of Maturana -  :beermug: - because she was convinced he wasn't going to take us anywhere and they shouldn't wait until it actually happpens.
That post was succinct, descriptive and right on the money. I would like Brownsugar to reread that post. Her words helped  prepare me for the situation we are in today.
Respect Brownsugar!

"Don't  Sweat The Small Stuff... and it's all small stuff"
Richard Carlson

Yuh see me....I watch enough games with this man as coach to be able to judge for mih self dat the team only seems to play well when we professionals around.  Other than that Maturana/Corneal doh seem to have a f*(&%ng clue....de two ah dem cyar inpsire no kinda confidence in mih that dem know what dey doing....

I doh have no more patience.....Bermuda first, now Grenada (in de space of 6 months to boot!!..steups) ....nah man.....

    MATURANA MUST GO!!!.....   
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2009, 09:29:20 PM
well i went through all BrownSugar's posts and found this one?
is this the one you were after?


Do you have a life?

Seriously?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 09:32:32 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.

Why? Is jus a game.
Nice try a$$hole!!  :P :devil:
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
well i went through all BrownSugar's posts and found this one?
is this the one you were after?
Do you have a life?
Seriously?
Seriously!!!
seriously???
if Tallman or E-Man had found the post that Victor was looking for you would have kept ya mangy dog self quite wid ya tail between ya legs
ring ring ring
go off now and start to cuss and call me names and do what ever ya have to do to give yourself your jollies
why do i even waste my time wid you
this is the last
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 09:58:17 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2009, 10:11:24 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
hear me nah, yuh cross dressing NY transplant!

The jb of a coach is not to say the players eh ready.....its his job to get them ready!

If he finds certain players eh good, pick others....if he cannot do the jo, then either he resigns or is fired.

let Wim haul he nasty c**t...ah cocnut should buss he ehad....Thats my taughts (sp on purpose)
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bourbon on April 04, 2009, 10:16:46 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.

Why? Is jus a game.
Nice try a$$hole!!  :P :devil:

It have a degree of seriousness in it. At what point is caring too much?
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: Bourbon on April 04, 2009, 10:18:30 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
hear me nah, yuh cross dressing NY transplant!

The jb of a coach is not to say the players eh ready.....its his job to get them ready!

If he finds certain players eh good, pick others....if he cannot do the jo, then either he resigns or is fired.

let Wim haul he nasty c**t...ah cocnut should buss he ehad....Thats my taughts (sp on purpose)

And...to get them ready..he needs full cooperation of all persons involved. Meaning pro league..TTFF...everybody. And still he was doing a better job dan Pacho. Or yuh find Pacho is a improvement?
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 10:19:16 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
hear me nah, yuh cross dressing NY transplant!

The jb of a coach is not to say the players eh ready.....its his job to get them ready!

If he finds certain players eh good, pick others....if he cannot do the jo, then either he resigns or is fired.

let Wim haul he nasty c**t...ah cocnut should buss he ehad....Thats my taughts (sp on purpose)
Wham sar ! yuh just come from seance ah what?? take it easy breds, all i saying is i never had no beef wid wim. :beermug:
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2009, 10:20:52 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
hear me nah, yuh cross dressing NY transplant!

The jb of a coach is not to say the players eh ready.....its his job to get them ready!

If he finds certain players eh good, pick others....if he cannot do the jo, then either he resigns or is fired.

let Wim haul he nasty c**t...ah cocnut should buss he ehad....Thats my taughts (sp on purpose)

And...to get them ready..he needs full cooperation of all persons involved. Meaning pro league..TTFF...everybody. And still he was doing a better job dan Pacho. Or yuh find Pacho is a improvement?

No leh Maturana haul he ass too, dat buckwheat looking joker..leh he haul he arse too!
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2009, 10:22:02 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
hear me nah, yuh cross dressing NY transplant!

The job of a coach is not to say the players eh ready.....its his job to get them ready!

If he finds certain players eh good, pick others....if he cannot do the job, then either he resigns or is fired.

let Wim haul he nasty c**t...ah coconut should buss he ehad....Thats my taughts (sp on purpose)
Wham sar ! yuh just come from seance ah what?? take it easy breds, all i saying is i never had no beef wid wim. :beermug:

yuh still wearing yuh girdle or yuh take it off, i still have mines on..de one with de rossettes on it. :)
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2009, 10:37:38 PM
Seriously!!!
seriously???
if Tallman or E-Man had found the post that Victor was looking for you would have kept ya mangy dog self quite wid ya tail between ya legs
ring ring ring
go off now and start to cuss and call me names and do what ever ya have to do to give yourself your jollies
why do i even waste my time wid you
this is the last

Why do you waste your time with me?  Because you have nothing but time on your hands... yuh f**kin loser.  I bet your laptop surgically attached tuh yuh elbows... world's first homosexual android.  Why yuh doh log tuh f**k off and see if yuh could scare yuhself up a life yuh pansy-ass cunnie.  Don't you have some little retarded child or some homeless person to hug?

Bitch-ass pillow biter.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 10:40:36 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.

Why? Is jus a game.
Nice try a$$hole!!  :P :devil:

It have a degree of seriousness in it. At what point is caring too much?
Then why bother to do anything if you're not passionate about it! and there's a thin line between caring and plain ole laziness.
Title: Re: Maturana must face the music
Post by: just cool on April 04, 2009, 10:42:23 PM
Maybe Wim was right .. the locals not ready.

Is not me .... is Wim say so :-[ :-[
MAYBE??!! RIGHT AS 2+2= 4. THEM YUTES NOT READY AND OUR LEAGUE NOT READY!

 I taught is just dat he was dissin we and we hobby 2 swing under coconut trees.
Why you always mixing me up wid TT and fishes! i never said anything negative about wim , or replied to the statement when he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteen time.

FYI i liked the dutch coach and appreciated his input especially when dealing wid dem lazy backward complaisant morons in T&T football , and though he may have been voicerous and insulting @ times @ least he told the truth!
hear me nah, yuh cross dressing NY transplant!

The job of a coach is not to say the players eh ready.....its his job to get them ready!

If he finds certain players eh good, pick others....if he cannot do the job, then either he resigns or is fired.

let Wim haul he nasty c**t...ah coconut should buss he ehad....Thats my taughts (sp on purpose)
Wham sar ! yuh just come from seance ah what?? take it easy breds, all i saying is i never had no beef wid wim. :beermug:

yuh still wearing yuh girdle or yuh take it off, i still have mines on..de one with de rossettes on it. :)
Breds my crossdressing is ah secret thing, why yuh putting meh business in the streets? ;D
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bourbon on April 04, 2009, 10:42:54 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.

Why? Is jus a game.
Nice try a$$hole!!  :P :devil:

It have a degree of seriousness in it. At what point is caring too much?
Then why bother to do anything if you're not passionate about it! and there's a thin line between caring and plain ole laziness.
Dat still eh answer my question. At what point is it too much passion? At what point yuh going too far with being damn vex. I seriously asking.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
Seriously!!!
seriously???
if Tallman or E-Man had found the post that Victor was looking for you would have kept ya mangy dog self quite wid ya tail between ya legs
ring ring ring
go off now and start to cuss and call me names and do what ever ya have to do to give yourself your jollies
why do i even waste my time wid you
this is the last

Why do you waste your time with me?  Because you have nothing but time on your hands... yuh f**kin loser.  I bet your laptop surgically attached tuh yuh elbows... world's first homosexual android.  Why yuh doh log tuh f**k off and see if yuh could scare yuhself up a life yuh pansy-ass cunnie.  Don't you have some little retarded child or some homeless person to hug?

Bitch-ass pillow biter.
so who biting pillow and why?  is it pain dat does cause yuh tuh bite down on something?  And why dis Pavlov fella getting pain?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on April 05, 2009, 12:23:12 AM
i did my part in flooding emails before the 9th with "maturana must go".  Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Peter on April 05, 2009, 12:37:58 AM
The only thing you got wrong is he started laying eggs way before he landed at Piarco International ,hes being fired by lots of ppl over the last few yrs fans hate him in many places .
Yeah. People keep talking bout this great reputation he have. He had success with Colombia, but his reputation otherwise is shit. Dem Costa Ricans on BigSoccer was warning us bout Pacho, offering sympathy and shit.

I didn't know that man, the Costa Ricans offering us sympathy, LOL. I guess a positive is that coach Maturana has a talent to unite countries that hes coached, thats a gift there. ;)
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 05, 2009, 03:22:16 AM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

Miss lady ah eh no mood for bad jokes eh....where you hear dat??.... >:(

well if he aint going we aint going SA simple as that, once he there fork that

I goh have to seriously consider ah one woman boycott of future games...we eh friggin serious nah, but let me wait on Weary's response before ah get even more vex!!!....... >:(
Yuh know something!! and forgive meh local forumites for what i'm about to say, but allyuh down dey cyar organize ah protest for ah few hours? ah mean nothing in the life does come easy! if we say we love we football and we willing tuh die for it , then why we can't organize ah protest in front the TTFF office on tuesday!!! why we trini's so complaisant boy??

i being real! if we can't get 1,000 ppl tuh march on the TTFF head quarters and infront the ministry of sports , den we as fans DON'T derserve another World Cup! and we derserve everything we get from jack and maturana!

T&T have tuh have @ 1,000 strong fans who is willing tuh take ah half day in protest of our football!!

why someone from the warrior nation can't organize ah protest! get someone in the radio station tuh anounce it and get the true fans out for ah 4 hrs while dem clown decide the faith of maturana!

why should we leave it in their hand! it's high time the fans have ah serious voice!  and i will go as far as to say , if i lived in trini, i would've tried tuh organize ah protest even if it failed , i would've @ least tried. common allyuh, show some heart nah man.   and i doh want tuh hear no lazy talk! YES WE FORKIN CAN!!                            positive.

Why? Is jus a game.
Nice try a$$hole!!  :P :devil:

It have a degree of seriousness in it. At what point is caring too much?
Then why bother to do anything if you're not passionate about it! and there's a thin line between caring and plain ole laziness.
Dat still eh answer my question. At what point is it too much passion? At what point yuh going too far with being damn vex. I seriously asking.
OK breds , right now i'm seriously confused! i don't get your drift. let me go over this. first= i pleaded with the local based tuh organize a protest before or during the hearing on wednesday, i then encouraged them tuh make an effort BC nothing that's worth having comes easy, then i implore them not to take the lazy approach, and toped it of with the cliche"YES WE CAN"!

the next thing i know , you replied to my post with the ultimate question, and a short statement,"why? is jus ah game."
then i replied "nice try a$$hole!!" :P :devil:
then you "it have a degree of seriousness in it. At what point is caring too much" ?
then i replied , and now this. wham breds yuh high on bourbon or what! it seem like you just looking for a confrontation, BC your questions are unwarranted and confusing to say the least.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
Seriously!!!
seriously???
if Tallman or E-Man had found the post that Victor was looking for you would have kept ya mangy dog self quite wid ya tail between ya legs
ring ring ring
go off now and start to cuss and call me names and do what ever ya have to do to give yourself your jollies
why do i even waste my time wid you
this is the last

Why do you waste your time with me?  Because you have nothing but time on your hands... yuh f**kin loser.  I bet your laptop surgically attached tuh yuh elbows... world's first homosexual android.  Why yuh doh log tuh f**k off and see if yuh could scare yuhself up a life yuh pansy-ass cunnie.  Don't you have some little retarded child or some homeless person to hug?

Bitch-ass pillow biter.
looks like I am going to have to manipulate the stimuli
SIT BOO BOO SIT
tut tut tut
bad bitch

ADDENDUM:
This place is THE BEST
no wonder I cant saty away
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Observer on April 05, 2009, 10:08:59 AM
Something to consider. Discussion about Maturana led to a serious debate about advisors. ne person very much in contact with the inner runnings of T&T National football, indicated that Local Advisors in many instances do not believe a foreigner should be coaching T&T Football. As a consequence their guidance are less than honest, nor is it in the interest of T&T success for obvious reasons. I cannot say this is true or untrue, but I do know several peoples have brought this point up in the past.
Is this why Latas was brought in? Does Latas himself have a good understanding on local football? The truth is  with his connections, by now he should! Should Latas now take it upon himself and sit down with Maturana, isolate the other advisors and pull his cord.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
looks like I am going to have to manipulate the stimuli
SIT BOO BOO SIT
tut tut tut
bad bitch

ADDENDUM:
This place is THE BEST
no wonder I cant saty away
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

"BOO BOO"... yuh think is de mangy flea-bitten bitch yuh does be lying down with yuh talking too or what?  Posted at 10:00 am... edited at 11:06 am.  Yuh had ah hour and 6 minutes to think about it and yuh still come back with something lame and corny.  Is "UBU" yuh dunce nannyhole.  Grown f**king loser of a man... 56 years old and what yuh doing with yuhself... f**king internet champion... link poster extraordinaire.

Like de fukking song say Paul yuh mudder c**t.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
looks like I am going to have to manipulate the stimuli
SIT BOO BOO SIT
tut tut tut
bad bitch

ADDENDUM:
This place is THE BEST
no wonder I cant saty away
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

"BOO BOO"... yuh think is de mangy flea-bitten bitch yuh does be lying down with yuh talking too or what?  Posted at 10:00 am... edited at 11:06 am.  Yuh had ah hour and 6 minutes to think about it and yuh still come back with something lame and corny.  Is "UBU" yuh dunce nannyhole.  Grown f**king loser of a man... 56 years old and what yuh doing with yuhself... f**king internet champion... link poster extraordinaire.

Like de f**kking song say Paul yuh mudder c**t.
it is uncany how predictable you are
dem judges go love you
anywho
do ya ting man

oh by the way here is ya next stimuli
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2007/04/09/rc-vibrating-lingerie/
make sure you share with your internet friends
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2009, 12:01:23 PM
it is uncany how predictable you are
dem judges go love you
anywho
do ya ting man

oh by the way here is ya next stimuli
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2007/04/09/rc-vibrating-lingerie/
make sure you share with your internet friends

Stimulus you c**t... stimuli is plural, yuh know... like de number ah dildos yuh does take in yuh ass regular?  Uncanny also has two "n"s... rhymes with 'nanny'... yuh middle name nuh.  Yuh could take yuh vibrating panty and tie it on yuh head... stimulate the clit yuh have in de middle ah yuh forrid, perfectly situated so that yuh could bend over and f**k yuhself.

Only action ah bet you does get.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: D.H.W on April 05, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
wow  :o
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Victor on April 05, 2009, 12:43:50 PM
Pavlov,

Last night I put my foot in my mouth, and you tried to help me out. I have been reading this message board long enough to know that's the kind of fella you are. That's why I mentioned your name when I requested help to find the post, BIG MISTAKE.

Frankly, I don't like what's happening bet'w you, Bakes and TT. I don't know what happened bet'w you guys. I also don't know if you are personal friends and something brought this on. It's obvious,though, Bakes & TT are upset about something.

I implore the three of you, WestCoast, TrueTrini and Bake & Shark, to work out your differences and be courteous to each other. If you don't have the desire to reconcile your differences at least stop attacking each other unnecessarily. I am the one that fu#ked up last night. And, as senior members of this board, any one of you could have called me out.

Each one of you is unique, smart and capable of making your arguments w/o disrespecting each other. ALLYUH STOP NAH, PLEASE!!!

I have to go to the barber now, so I will not be reading the response to this post until I get back home sometime this evening.

Respect brothers!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
...I am the one that fu#ked up last night. And, as senior members of this board, any one of you could have called me out.

Victor, go cut yuh hair and doh dig no horrors... you ent do nutten wrong.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
Pavlov,

Last night I put my foot in my mouth, and you tried to help me out. I have been reading this message board long enough to know that's the kind of fella you are. That's why I mentioned your name when I requested help to find the post, BIG MISTAKE.

Frankly, I don't like what's happening bet'w you, Bakes and TT. I don't know what happened bet'w you guys. I also don't know if you are personal friends and something brought this on. It's obvious,though, Bakes & TT are upset about something.

I implore the three of you, WestCoast, TrueTrini and Bake & Shark, to work out your differences and be courteous to each other. If you don't have the desire to reconcile your differences at least stop attacking each other unnecessarily. I am the one that fu#ked up last night. And, as senior members of this board, any one of you could have called me out.

Each one of you is unique, smart and capable of making your arguments w/o disrespecting each other. ALLYUH STOP NAH, PLEASE!!!

I have to go to the barber now, so I will not be reading the response to this post until I get back home sometime this evening.

Respect brothers!

Victor,
I know exactly what ya sayin and i not able with posts that seem to be done by someone with a classicNarcissistic personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder)
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: verycute1 on April 05, 2009, 03:20:32 PM
well i went through all BrownSugar's posts and found this one?
is this the one you were after?


Do you have a life?

Seriously?


????
 ??? :o
Seriously? He was trying to help......... I think.... wasn't he? Why you going on after him like that?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2009, 03:32:10 PM
well i went through all BrownSugar's posts and found this one?
is this the one you were after?


Do you have a life?

Seriously?


????
 ??? :o
Seriously? He was trying to help......... I think.... wasn't he? Why you going on after him like that?
Thats ok i go handle he as I would not want you to be cursed and sworn at like how he treats women
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2009, 04:53:02 PM


????
 ??? :o
Seriously? He was trying to help......... I think.... wasn't he? Why you going on after him like that?

Yuh might want to sit this one out...  :)



Thats ok i go handle he as I would not want you to be cursed and sworn at like how he treats women

Yeah... take for example how I treating your bitch ass.  Then again woman like you love to play de victim role ent?  'Bout you go 'handle' me... you could handle anything yuh ole hen.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: saga pinto on April 05, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
it is uncany how predictable you are
dem judges go love you
anywho
do ya ting man

oh by the way here is ya next stimuli
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2007/04/09/rc-vibrating-lingerie/
make sure you share with your internet friends

Stimulus you c**t... stimuli is plural, yuh know... like de number ah dildos yuh does take in yuh ass regular?  Uncanny also has two "n"s... rhymes with 'nanny'... yuh middle name nuh.  Yuh could take yuh vibrating panty and tie it on yuh head... stimulate the clit yuh have in de middle ah yuh forrid, perfectly situated so that yuh could bend over and f**k yuhself.

Only action ah bet you does get.

Oh gawwd with all that f**k and c**t I Think we sholud rename this thread and call it's time to f**k ;D
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Victor on April 05, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
Bakes & WestCoast:

I am back; I sincerly hope you work things out in the near future. Please think about reconciling.

The two of you and many others on this board have gotten me through many tough days since 2005. After I have done everything I have to do on my job and in my personal life almost every day, I turn to this board. I read, agree and disagree with many members on this board. I also learn alot.

You guys offer alot. Continue to share your expriences and your knowledge with us; and refrain from disrespecting each other. If allyuh want to engage, that's fine. Engage and highlight the flaws in each others arguments. Both ah allyuh could do that well.  


Sincerly,

Victor

Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Sando prince on April 05, 2009, 06:26:41 PM
D tak on d ground is dat he eh goin a place so brace all yuh self.

yuh cant be serious
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2009, 06:37:44 PM
????
 ??? :o
Seriously? He was trying to help......... I think.... wasn't he? Why you going on after him like that?
Yuh might want to sit this one out...  :)
Thats ok i go handle he as I would not want you to be cursed and sworn at like how he treats women
Yeah... take for example how I treating your bitch ass.  Then again woman like you love to play de victim role ent?  'Bout you go 'handle' me... you could handle anything yuh ole hen.
did I say handle
geeez my bad
I meant ignore 
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: verycute1 on April 05, 2009, 06:45:44 PM


????
 ??? :o
Seriously? He was trying to help......... I think.... wasn't he? Why you going on after him like that?

Yuh might want to sit this one out...  :)




If you say so mista  :beermug: I will just sit back an read with avid interest cause I ent have nuttin to do right now anyway. Lack of mobility et al.
Title: Re: Maturana is to Trinidad as Juande Ramos was to Tottenham!
Post by: Peter on April 05, 2009, 08:24:10 PM
Something to consider. Discussion about Maturana led to a serious debate about advisors. ne person very much in contact with the inner runnings of T&T National football, indicated that Local Advisors in many instances do not believe a foreigner should be coaching T&T Football. As a consequence their guidance are less than honest, nor is it in the interest of T&T success for obvious reasons. I cannot say this is true or untrue, but I do know several peoples have brought this point up in the past.
Is this why Latas was brought in? Does Latas himself have a good understanding on local football? The truth is  with his connections, by now he should! Should Latas now take it upon himself and sit down with Maturana, isolate the other advisors and pull his cord.

hmm, thats a good point there, I never thought of that.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Gazza on April 05, 2009, 09:49:43 PM
An American coach is what we need.  I saying that long time now. If we have to improve in concacaf and do some damage here and improve an american coach. And I like Arena.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Socapro on April 06, 2009, 07:17:33 AM
Ah watching meh watch and worrying if the battery running low!

Still 3 days to go till D-Day!!!

Does anyone know how to speed time up?!  :waiting:
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: spideybuff on April 06, 2009, 07:23:01 AM
I hear the rumours from a player on the squad.

Latas and Yorke duo will be announced. Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.

Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

If Latas and Yorke get the call...I hope the frenism thing is not true or it take a back burner to the bigger picture.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 06, 2009, 07:37:12 AM
I hear the rumours from a player on the squad.

Latas and Yorke duo will be announced. Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.

Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

If Latas and Yorke get the call...I hope the frenism thing is not true or it take a back burner to the bigger picture.

I hope that rumour is not true.  :P Latas and Yorke to take we all the way.  ??? :-\
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Socapro on April 06, 2009, 07:45:05 AM
Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

When did Kenwyne get drop? I'm sure I saw him on the field in our last 2 games!!

I know that Kenwyne didn't produce anything of much significance in his last 2 games for us but to say that he got dropped (wasn't on the field) is stretching it a bit far don't you think!

As far as I can tell Glen got dropped for the USA game due to our head coach not properly examining what striking options were needed to try to beat the USA in the USA. What was needed was a 4-5-1 formation to make up for the weaknesses in our midfield and a striker like Glen who was fast and would run at the USA defenders!

Too much rumours & ole-talk going round!!

The main thing at this juncture is to get rid of Maturana, anyone else in charge will be an improvement even Latas & Yorke as inexperienced as they may be!
But lets hope we put a more experienced head coach in charge as this is the World Cup we trying to make afterall, and World Cup is not the platform for those without the right kind of coaching experience!

Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 06, 2009, 07:50:55 AM
Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.
So Latas to blame for de shit performances? Hope dey eh coming to announce he in charge den.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: NUFF on April 06, 2009, 08:22:35 AM
And de drama continues.  Same shit different day.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Brownsugar on April 06, 2009, 09:18:18 AM
I find Jackula sticking yes....he really needed to wait till he come back here to hold a meeting?? Is wha he never here bout video conferencing....steups...ah shoulda really get Maturana good with mih laptop...steups... >:(
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: kounty on April 06, 2009, 11:26:04 AM
you know...latapy lookin like the best choice for real yes (short of beenieman or the like which I doubt we have the funds for this rounds).  I doubt he will be as erratic as mats - I cyah see him benching  a man who jus put down a solid performance and I sure all the pro league coaches will feel like they could talk to him - everybody want him to succeed b/c he is we diego.  Hopefully he have the balls to tell jack this blacklist bullshit have to done for real so we could see ALL we players give it a shot.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Daft Trini on April 06, 2009, 11:45:18 AM
An American coach is what we need.  I saying that long time now. If we have to improve in concacaf and do some damage here and improve an american coach. And I like Arena.

Singing that song for a long time now... but peoples like the europeans....

bruce beat every team in concacaf... I would give him a call asap.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Daft Trini on April 06, 2009, 11:47:51 AM
I hear the rumours from a player on the squad.

Latas and Yorke duo will be announced. Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.

Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

If Latas and Yorke get the call...I hope the frenism thing is not true or it take a back burner to the bigger picture.


They were the ones who addressed the team after the game. Pancho was no where to be found...


The plot thickens...
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: elan on April 06, 2009, 12:02:52 PM
I hear the rumours from a player on the squad.

Latas and Yorke duo will be announced. Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.

Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

If Latas and Yorke get the call...I hope the frenism thing is not true or it take a back burner to the bigger picture.

And I tell alyuh one of the players on the team tell me is friend thing that going on with the team. And is one of the players who there a while now eh, so he eh have no reason to lie r make things up. I ask if Latas encouraging the shyte tactics and he  :whistling: 
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: elan on April 06, 2009, 12:03:27 PM
I hear the rumours from a player on the squad.

Latas and Yorke duo will be announced. Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.

Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

If Latas and Yorke get the call...I hope the frenism thing is not true or it take a back burner to the bigger picture.


I hope that rumour is not true.  :P Latas and Yorke to take we all the way.  ??? :-\

Wasn't everyone calling for Latas to be head coach to take us to the WC?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Socapro on April 06, 2009, 12:25:21 PM
An American coach is what we need.  I saying that long time now. If we have to improve in concacaf and do some damage here and improve an american coach. And I like Arena.

Singing that song for a long time now... but peoples like the europeans....

bruce beat every team in concacaf... I would give him a call asap.

Unfortunately we cannot appoint an American coach because one of our opponents in the Hex is America!
I will not trust an American coach in charge of my team when we would need to beat America at home in the return leg in order to help us attain one of the top 3 spots and so qualify for SA2010!!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: warmonga on April 06, 2009, 12:27:41 PM
I said from day one.. Maturana is doing everything possible to get fired..  although he have done things dat many of our coaches have failed to do .. is time this man go
war..
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: makaveli on April 06, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
An American coach is what we need.  I saying that long time now. If we have to improve in concacaf and do some damage here and improve an american coach. And I like Arena.

Singing that song for a long time now... but peoples like the europeans....

bruce beat every team in concacaf... I would give him a call asap.

Unfortunately we cannot appoint an American coach because one of our opponents in the Hex is America!
I will not trust an American coach in charge of my team when we would need to beat America at home in the return leg in order to help us attain one of the top 3 spots and so qualify for SA2010!!

I would trust him.... America would have already qualified for the World Cup and Bruce would want to be there to whatever side he coaching.....trust him over Latapy and Yorke if what spideybuff saying is true
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: davidephraim on April 06, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
An American coach is what we need.  I saying that long time now. If we have to improve in concacaf and do some damage here and improve an american coach. And I like Arena.

Singing that song for a long time now... but peoples like the europeans....

bruce beat every team in concacaf... I would give him a call asap.

Unfortunately we cannot appoint an American coach because one of our opponents in the Hex is America!
I will not trust an American coach in charge of my team when we would need to beat America at home in the return leg in order to help us attain one of the top 3 spots and so qualify for SA2010!!

If TnT make it or not... america will still be there. I think Arena is a good choice.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 06, 2009, 03:25:09 PM
Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

When did Kenwyne get drop? I'm sure I saw him on the field in our last 2 games!!

I know that Kenwyne didn't produce anything of much significance in his last 2 games for us but to say that he got dropped (wasn't on the field) is stretching it a bit far don't you think!

As far as I can tell Glen got dropped for the USA game due to our head coach not properly examining what striking options were needed to try to beat the USA in the USA. What was needed was a 4-5-1 formation to make up for the weaknesses in our midfield and a striker like Glen who was fast and would run at the USA defenders!

Too much rumours & ole-talk going round!!The main thing at this juncture is to get rid of Maturana, anyone else in charge will be an improvement even Latas & Yorke as inexperienced as they may be!
But lets hope we put a more experienced head coach in charge as this is the World Cup we trying to make afterall, and World Cup is not the platform for those without the right kind of coaching experience!


Breds you really think latas would pick ah team wid only 4 defenders and no right back, plus use ah forward then waste ah sub tuh bring in ah cental defender??

in addintion , blank avery for aklie , leave cyd tuh play wolf ah a make shift RB, leave out whitley, play koen who doh have ah club as yet and leave jagdoesingh who have more speed, could dribble the ball and coulda play on the left, plus that fella doing good for PR islanders. nah! i seriouly doubt latas dat forkin clueless! that sound like the M.O. of the clueless one tuh me!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on April 06, 2009, 03:36:02 PM
I hear the rumours from a player on the squad.

Latas and Yorke duo will be announced. Latas already in charge in calling all the shots apparently, and Pacho just there collecting a pay check.

Apparently Cornell and Kenwyne get drop for protesting to Yorke and Latas about Stern taking the penalty and the frenism and favouritism in the team since Latas come back.

If Latas and Yorke get the call...I hope the frenism thing is not true or it take a back burner to the bigger picture.


I hope that rumour is not true.  :P Latas and Yorke to take we all the way.  ??? :-\

Wasn't everyone calling for Latas to be head coach to take us to the WC?
Not under this frienism of Latas putting Stern, Wolfe, and Theobald because them he close friends.
Title: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 06, 2009, 06:35:29 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Tuesday (tomorrow) or Wednesday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: socachatter on April 06, 2009, 06:38:54 PM
out of curiousity, when will it air? 
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 06, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
out of curiousity, when will it air? 
Just got confirmation, it WILL air on (Good) Friday morning 7:00 AM
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: socachatter on April 06, 2009, 06:44:47 PM
ok thanks
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: asylumseeker on April 06, 2009, 06:45:20 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Wednesday or Thursday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!

Buh yuh rell democratic ... ONE person? Ent is 4-5 other fans yuh say?
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: sammy on April 06, 2009, 06:46:51 PM
Buh yuh rell democratic ... ONE person? Ent is 4-5 other fans yuh say?

I guess dey have to make it overwhelmingly clear that majority of ppl want Maturana out.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: saint27 on April 06, 2009, 06:50:03 PM
i did my part in flooding emails before the 9th with "maturana must go".  Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com

Here is the bigman email address
jawfifa@aol.com

FLOOD DEM!

Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 06, 2009, 06:51:18 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Wednesday or Thursday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!

Buh yuh rell democratic ... ONE person? Ent is 4-5 other fans yuh say?
MY bad, jes I figure it going to be hard to find EVEN one :-\
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: freakazoid on April 06, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Wednesday or Thursday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!

Buh yuh rell democratic ... ONE person? Ent is 4-5 other fans yuh say?

i sure weary go be part ah that man
MY bad, jes I figure it going to be hard to find EVEN one :-\
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Socapro on April 06, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Wednesday or Thursday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!

Buh yuh rell democratic ... ONE person? Ent is 4-5 other fans yuh say?
MY bad, jes I figure it going to be hard to find EVEN one :-\
Maybe we can fly Palos down to T&T just for this occasion to add some balance, otherwise I think your work cut out to find even one person to argue for Mats to stay on and continue the Cobo brand!! :thinking:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: D.H.W on April 06, 2009, 07:24:31 PM
tell Joel keep up the good work dais all i have to say  :salute:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Babalawo on April 06, 2009, 07:26:39 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Tuesday (tomorrow) or Wednesday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!
been saying that the same thing
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 06, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Sounds like a lynching to me.

De fact dat Patriot want ONE person to TRY AND MAKE IT APPEAR BALANCED come straight outta de Klu Klux Klan playbook.  Kangaroo Court if there ever was one.  ;D

Doh worry bout de hypocrisy nah Patriot....jes lynch and get it over wit nah man!.. 8)

By de way....ah would like a HONEST answer from yuh on dis one breddrin.

Were you willing to fire him after de 3-1 victory in Cuba?

Remember...ah say HONEST!  De TRUTH, De WHOLE TRUTH, and NUTTING BUT DE TRUTH...so help you whoever or whatever yuh believe in.

Thanx  ;D
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Wednesday or Thursday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!

Buh yuh rell democratic ... ONE person? Ent is 4-5 other fans yuh say?
MY bad, jes I figure it going to be hard to find EVEN one :-\

Who is dat 1 person. As 4 Palos pt it will just prove dat tings eh change so much wit d Oman. I say lets get it on I go provide d rope
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2009, 07:43:05 PM
We know friendism involve but Latas as JC say Latas eh daft enough 2 pay Wolfe in dat position.
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: College on April 06, 2009, 08:09:59 PM
Dont believe Latas runnin things. On Wednesday he was warming up to come on and stopped then was consulting with Mats and all of a sudden Scotland jump up off the bench and started warming up and eventually came on  as the third sub.....apparently Mats had the say so, or so it appeared.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: g on April 06, 2009, 08:26:39 PM
Sounds like a lynching to me.

De fact dat Patriot want ONE person to TRY AND MAKE IT APPEAR BALANCED come straight outta de Klu Klux Klan playbook.  Kangaroo Court if there ever was one.  ;D

Doh worry bout de hypocrisy nah Patriot....jes lynch and get it over wit nah man!.. 8)

By de way....ah would like a HONEST answer from yuh on dis one breddrin.

Were you willing to fire him after de 3-1 victory in Cuba?

Remember...ah say HONEST!  De TRUTH, De WHOLE TRUTH, and NUTTING BUT DE TRUTH...so help you whoever or whatever yuh believe in.

Thanx  ;D

Nope, he was able to get the result at that time

I have always been an advocacy over the years that we so called natural brand of football never really get us anywhere

The quality of the play on the field has been poor but we have been getting results so i was giving him his just due.

But what is happening now is that other teams are simply smothering our strengths and exploiting our weaknesses

We don't have the quality and depth in certain positions and it showing us up badly at this time around.

We've played 10 games so far in qualifying, how many of those games we kept clean sheets? I recall 3 out of 10. Dat ratio not going to get us anywhere above 4th place and it's going to be a fight for that too.

When champions can't score, they keep clean sheets, i just not seeing the preparation in terms of tactics and selection team selections to keep the ball out of our net and that is the responsibility of the Coaching staff

When Beenhakker started with the national team, he immediately went about coaching up our back line. His policy was zero mistakes and keep possession and the other team will not be able to score. He knew what was required. I not seeing that from Maturana in terms of the preparation. 
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 06, 2009, 08:33:03 PM
Sounds like a lynching to me.

De fact dat Patriot want ONE person to TRY AND MAKE IT APPEAR BALANCED come straight outta de Klu Klux Klan playbook.  Kangaroo Court if there ever was one.  ;D

Doh worry bout de hypocrisy nah Patriot....jes lynch and get it over wit nah man!.. 8)

By de way....ah would like a HONEST answer from yuh on dis one breddrin.

Were you willing to fire him after de 3-1 victory in Cuba?

Remember...ah say HONEST!  De TRUTH, De WHOLE TRUTH, and NUTTING BUT DE TRUTH...so help you whoever or whatever yuh believe in.

Thanx  ;D

HONESTLY? I STILL insisted Mats should go, because while the 3-1 victory was good for us, we were STILL conceding goals from dead ball situations, and using a conservative 4-5-1 despite our abundance of IN-FORMstrikers. I was pleasantly surprised that we achieved the victory withOUT the BEST players being selected tho! And as far as i was concerned EVEN the 2-1 victory over the US was achieved because it marked the return of Latas, who AGAIN provided the "VIBES IT UP" momentum both then and in the preceding 1st 1/2 against Guatemala away. I supported the TEAM, but never the Coach because I simply don't have faith in him, because I do NOT understand WHAT he is doing... after over a year and God Knows how many players of experimentation he STILL does NOT have a settled starting 11, and for reasons best known to himself he has a left-winger playing at left-back and now a striker at Right-back.. at the end of the day Akiel and Wolfe did NOT pick themselves to play dem positions..and you want me to support THAT??? Look at TWO events in the 2nd 1/2 of the Nashville game - IMMEDIATELY AFTER Jason Scotland entered the field... check and see what happened at EXACTLY that point... here's a hint it involves a "conversation" between Scotland and Stern... and secondly the 3rd US goal... they DELIBERATELY set up the goal for Altidore... so he could get he hat-trick... all 3 US players were alone in the area with Ince at their mercy and gave Jozy the shot... dem men was embarassing we man... and you doh expect meh to be DAMN VEX!!! You wanted honesty... thais as honest an answer as I can give. Didn't appreciate the Klu klux Klan analogy edduh... buh ah know how yuh have a twisted sense of humor ent?  :devil:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: just cool on April 06, 2009, 08:58:47 PM
Palos the man clueless dread!! give it up! sven just won ah game 2-0 and got fired the very next game BC he loss away tuh honduras.

the coach got many chances and he pooped! how many chances should he get before we realize he's garbage?
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: D.H.W on April 06, 2009, 09:09:47 PM
Forumites I have been invited by Joel Villafana to be part of a Panel discussion on whether or not Maturana should be fired NOW (ie at THIS point of the campaign). He has asked me to get 4-5 other fans to  be part of the panel. We are looking at having the interview taped either Tuesday (tomorrow) or Wednesday at TV6 Studio... anyone who's interested send me a PM with your contact info cell/e-mail/Posting Name/Real name...nice opportunty to get our voices heard... would be good to have ONE person who actually supports KEEPING him, PURELY FOR BALANCE... for MY part he would have been fired since the 2-1 loss to Bermuda last June!

KEEP WHO ? HAHAHAHA  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 06, 2009, 09:54:23 PM
Sounds like a lynching to me.

De fact dat Patriot want ONE person to TRY AND MAKE IT APPEAR BALANCED come straight outta de Klu Klux Klan playbook.  Kangaroo Court if there ever was one.  ;D

Doh worry bout de hypocrisy nah Patriot....jes lynch and get it over wit nah man!.. 8)

By de way....ah would like a HONEST answer from yuh on dis one breddrin.

Were you willing to fire him after de 3-1 victory in Cuba?

Remember...ah say HONEST!  De TRUTH, De WHOLE TRUTH, and NUTTING BUT DE TRUTH...so help you whoever or whatever yuh believe in.

Thanx  ;D

Nope, he was able to get the result at that time

I have always been an advocacy over the years that we so called natural brand of football never really get us anywhere

The quality of the play on the field has been poor but we have been getting results so i was giving him his just due.

But what is happening now is that other teams are simply smothering our strengths and exploiting our weaknesses

We don't have the quality and depth in certain positions and it showing us up badly at this time around.

We've played 10 games so far in qualifying, how many of those games we kept clean sheets? I recall 3 out of 10. Dat ratio not going to get us anywhere above 4th place and it's going to be a fight for that too.

When champions can't score, they keep clean sheets, i just not seeing the preparation in terms of tactics and selection team selections to keep the ball out of our net and that is the responsibility of the Coaching staff

When Beenhakker started with the national team, he immediately went about coaching up our back line. His policy was zero mistakes and keep possession and the other team will not be able to score. He knew what was required. I not seeing that from Maturana in terms of the preparation. 

Fair enough g.   :beermug:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2009, 09:56:58 PM
NO PLANNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NO BRANANDDDDDDDDDDD
NO DURHAMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 06, 2009, 10:11:43 PM
HONESTLY? I STILL insisted Mats should go, because while the 3-1 victory was good for us, we were STILL conceding goals from dead ball situations, and using a conservative 4-5-1 despite our abundance of IN-FORMstrikers. I was pleasantly surprised that we achieved the victory withOUT the BEST players being selected tho! And as far as i was concerned EVEN the 2-1 victory over the US was achieved because it marked the return of Latas, who AGAIN provided the "VIBES IT UP" momentum both then and in the preceding 1st 1/2 against Guatemala away. I supported the TEAM, but never the Coach because I simply don't have faith in him, because I do NOT understand WHAT he is doing... after over a year and God Knows how many players of experimentation he STILL does NOT have a settled starting 11, and for reasons best known to himself he has a left-winger playing at left-back and now a striker at Right-back.. at the end of the day Akiel and Wolfe did NOT pick themselves to play dem positions..and you want me to support THAT??? Look at TWO events in the 2nd 1/2 of the Nashville game - IMMEDIATELY AFTER Jason Scotland entered the field... check and see what happened at EXACTLY that point... here's a hint it involves a "conversation" between Scotland and Stern... and secondly the 3rd US goal... they DELIBERATELY set up the goal for Altidore... so he could get he hat-trick... all 3 US players were alone in the area with Ince at their mercy and gave Jozy the shot... dem men was embarassing we man... and you doh expect meh to be DAMN VEX!!! You wanted honesty... thais as honest an answer as I can give. Didn't appreciate the Klu klux Klan analogy edduh... buh ah know how yuh have a twisted sense of humor ent?  :devil:

You HONESTLY tellin me that you wanted Maturana FIRED after the 3-1 victory against Cuba in Cuba.

And you HONESTLY tellin me that you believe Maturana was the one who AT THAT TIME was keepin we best players off de team and NOT Jack Warner.

And you HONESTLY also blamin Maturana for the opposition queuin up to try and give Altidore he hattrick KNOWING that we was already down 2-0 and most of we players were over tjhe half line tryin to make something happen and we get ketch on a counter attack.  Who yuh vex wit?  Maturana or de players who expose Ince so cruelly?  We ALL know de answer to dat question doh ent?

Proof positive dat no matter what Maturana does or doesn't do...even when de team doing exactly what YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES, nutting he could do would be right fuh allyuh.

Yuh talk about settled starting XI.  Yet the starting XI Beenhakker used from his first game in charge (Against Panama)to the starting XI during the Gold Cup was quite different.   And allyuh is de same people was bawlin to give more local based a bligh.  Well more local based get play under Maturana dan under any other senior men's national coach in T&T history.  Allyuh still vex.  So he playin majority foreign based.  Men who actually playin football.  Not good enough.  Allyuh want rejects like Sancho, Avery and Cyd to not jes be in de squad, but startin.  Players who have consistently been rejected by clubs EVERYWHERE.  But is Maturana fault.

g make a post and talk sense.  He outline he views devoid of hysteria.  Without any kinda rancour and emotionalism.  I reiterate...what you want is a lynching.  And yes, I know I done have de label as Maturana supporter.  I could handle dat...no scene even though I know different.  I jes doh blame he wholesale fuh everyting like allyuh.

At the end of the day, we ALL want de same ting.  Fuh we football to get better in every area.  How we get there is another matter.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Jefferz on April 06, 2009, 10:25:24 PM
i have ah feelin someone go pm yuh and say dey ready fuh de interview with the "lets support him" perspective, and as soon as he get on de show, bawl "fire he ass now!"
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Big Magician on April 06, 2009, 10:54:32 PM
Palos...yuh ever see de full game vz cuba ??  de same 3-1 yuh talking bout...well take it from me from a TTFF offical...dey was shame tuh show de game after...we were totally outplayed in a football sense...not result of course..

and patriot...if yuh want a man tuh back maturana...call Lincoln Phillips....let him say what i shame to repeat why maturana is de best man for the TNT job
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 06, 2009, 11:01:38 PM
Palos...yuh ever see de full game vz cuba ??  de same 3-1 yuh talking bout...well take it from me from a TTFF offical...dey was shame tuh show de game after...we were totally outplayed in a football sense...not result of course..

and patriot...if yuh want a man tuh back maturana...call Lincoln Phillips....let him say what i shame to repeat why maturana is de best man for the TNT job

Nah BM.  Never see de game nah. 
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Big Magician on April 06, 2009, 11:09:18 PM
well there is a reason why...was tuh keep all ah we quiet...
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: just cool on April 06, 2009, 11:16:21 PM
Palos...yuh ever see de full game vz cuba ??  de same 3-1 yuh talking bout...well take it from me from a TTFF offical...dey was shame tuh show de game after...we were totally outplayed in a football sense...not result of course..

and patriot...if yuh want a man tuh back maturana...call Lincoln Phillips....let him say what i shame to repeat why maturana is de best man for the TNT job
Lincoln must say that, he trying tuh save his own a$$! i doh expect him tuh say nutten differant. all in all,  the man maturana is lacking and the stats speak for it self! maybe palos could offer him a job tuh coach the white caps, but as far as T&T goes, he have tuh ride out!!!
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 06, 2009, 11:29:15 PM
Palos...yuh ever see de full game vz cuba ??  de same 3-1 yuh talking bout...well take it from me from a TTFF offical...dey was shame tuh show de game after...we were totally outplayed in a football sense...not result of course..

and patriot...if yuh want a man tuh back maturana...call Lincoln Phillips....let him say what i shame to repeat why maturana is de best man for the TNT job
Lincoln must say that, he trying tuh save his own a$$! i doh expect him tuh say nutten differant. all in all,  the man maturana is lacking and the stats speak for it self! maybe palos could offer him a job tuh coach the white caps, but as far as T&T goes, he have tuh ride out!!!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Brownsugar on April 07, 2009, 05:27:45 AM
The man's team selection and tactics were an accident waiting to happen.....that accident was the US (twice)....the dentist must go!!!...

p.s. although he annoy mih with that bachanal article last week, ah find The Fearless One's new ad mocking Maturana funny as hell.... :rotfl:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: davidephraim on April 07, 2009, 06:12:08 AM
Sounds like a lynching to me.

De fact dat Patriot want ONE person to TRY AND MAKE IT APPEAR BALANCED come straight outta de Klu Klux Klan playbook.  Kangaroo Court if there ever was one.  ;D

Doh worry bout de hypocrisy nah Patriot....jes lynch and get it over wit nah man!.. 8)

By de way....ah would like a HONEST answer from yuh on dis one breddrin.

Were you willing to fire him after de 3-1 victory in Cuba?

Remember...ah say HONEST!  De TRUTH, De WHOLE TRUTH, and NUTTING BUT DE TRUTH...so help you whoever or whatever yuh believe in.

Thanx  ;D

Werent de Klu Klux Klan born out of de democratic party? They werent working for de republicans de last time i looked at my by-laws.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: arrow on April 07, 2009, 08:24:37 AM
Allyuh want rejects like Sancho, Avery and Cyd to not jes be in de squad, but startin.  Players who have consistently been rejected by clubs EVERYWHERE.  But is Maturana fault.

Wolfe, Aklie and Thomas playing for clubs in a better league than those 3 fellas right now?  They have more experience playing against better opposition at club and international level?  Just curious  8)
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 07, 2009, 11:57:55 AM
The man's team selection and tactics were an accident waiting to happen.....that accident was the US (twice)....the dentist must go!!!...

p.s. although he annoy mih with that bachanal article last week, ah find The Fearless One's new ad mocking Maturana funny as hell.... :rotfl:

Need 2 take a listen
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 07, 2009, 01:31:26 PM
You HONESTLY tellin me that you wanted Maturana FIRED after the 3-1 victory against Cuba in Cuba.Ummm maybe de eyesight goin on yuh dey Palos, which part of the YES yuh din understand de "Y" de "E" or de "S"???
And you HONESTLY tellin me that you believe Maturana was the one who AT THAT TIME was keepin we best players off de team and NOT Jack Warner.

And you HONESTLY also blamin Maturana for the opposition queuin up to try and give Altidore he hattrick KNOWING that we was already down 2-0 and most of we players were over tjhe half line tryin to make something happen and we get ketch on a counter attack.Who yuh vex wit?  Maturana or de players who expose Ince so cruelly?  We ALL know de answer to dat question doh ent? YES! Re-Read what I wrote about WHO he (Mats) picked... Wolfe and Akiel are decent players, but HORRIBLE in the positions he is playing them... AGAIN... they did NOT pick themselves... HE did!

Proof positive dat no matter what Maturana does or doesn't do...even when de team doing exactly what YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES, nutting he could do would be right fuh allyuh. As Touches said some time aback, the ONLY good thing Mats did was to give the youths a bly at Senior level... and drop dem when it was clear they weren't ready yet. the UP side being that we benefitted at the Under-20 level, qualifying for Egypt
Yuh talk about settled starting XI.  Yet the starting XI Beenhakker used from his first game in charge (Against Panama)to the starting XI during the Gold Cup was quite different.   And allyuh is de same people was bawlin to give more local based a bligh. Breds, I challenge you to find ONE post where, I, PATRIOT, was "bawlin to give more local based a bligh" (AGAIN de eyesight REAL failing yuh pardnuh)... try this...  http://www.vaxa.com/678.cfm Well more local based get play under Maturana dan under any other senior men's national coach in T&T history.  Allyuh still vex.  So he playin majority foreign based.  Men who actually playin football.   Hmmn, Carlos, Birchall, Stern... I say NO more..   Not good enough.  Allyuh want rejects like Sancho, Avery and Cyd to not jes be in de squad, but startin.  YES! Those 3 have MORE heart and experience than SOME of the men playing in their place (deliberately NOT callin any SPECIFIC names... those who have GOOD eyesight could see!)   Players who have consistently been rejected by clubs EVERYWHERE.  But is Maturana fault.

g make a post and talk sense.  He outline he views devoid of hysteria.  Without any kinda rancour and emotionalism.  I reiterate...what you want is a lynching.  And yes, I know I done have de label as Maturana supporter.  I could handle dat...no scene even though I know different.  I jes doh blame he wholesale fuh everyting like allyuh.

At the end of the day, we ALL want de same ting.  Fuh we football to get better in every area.  How we get there is another matter. De ONLY sensible thing that I could actually agree with you on :applause:
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Yuh REAL like tuh play DEVIL's advocate eh?  :devil:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 07, 2009, 01:43:53 PM
Getting back to the objective of this thread... so far we have myself, BrownSugar,Weary, Brent (a Pro-Maturana person) and Tansley Thompson ("Bring back Gally")... anyone else who interested can come down by the Oval for 5:00pm today, just tell security you came for the TV-6 function.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 07, 2009, 04:00:06 PM
And you HONESTLY tellin me that you believe Maturana was the one who AT THAT TIME was keepin we best players off de team and NOT Jack Warner.

And you HONESTLY also blamin Maturana for the opposition queuin up to try and give Altidore he hattrick KNOWING that we was already down 2-0 and most of we players were over tjhe half line tryin to make something happen and we get ketch on a counter attack.Who yuh vex wit?  Maturana or de players who expose Ince so cruelly?  We ALL know de answer to dat question doh ent? YES! Re-Read what I wrote about WHO he (Mats) picked... Wolfe and Akiel are decent players, but HORRIBLE in the positions he is playing them... AGAIN... they did NOT pick themselves... HE did!

So is also Maturana dat pick
Clayton Ince
Dennis Lawrence
Keyeno Thomas
Christopher Birchall
Dwight Yorke
Carlos Edwards
Russell Latapy
Stern John
Kenwyne Jones
Jason Scotland
Aurtis Whitley and
Cornell Glen

Right?  Or is Latapy pick dem?  Or maybe Yorke?  Are they playing in their correct positions?



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Proof positive dat no matter what Maturana does or doesn't do...even when de team doing exactly what YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES, nutting he could do would be right fuh allyuh. As Touches said some time aback, the ONLY good thing Mats did was to give the youths a bly at Senior level... and drop dem when it was clear they weren't ready yet. the UP side being that we benefitted at the Under-20 level, qualifying for Egypt

Yuh still eh answer if you was coach or if anybody else was coach, if when yuh team down 2-0 late in a game that getting caught on the counter looking to create something offensively is the coach fault.  Why yuh RUNNIN from answerin dat question?

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Allyuh want rejects like Sancho, Avery and Cyd to not jes be in de squad, but startin.  YES! Those 3 have MORE heart and experience than SOME of the men playing in their place (deliberately NOT callin any SPECIFIC names... those who have GOOD eyesight could see!)

Why yuh fraid to name names?  Seein dat dem men YOU say have more HEART dan anybody who currently playin in their place.  Me eh know how YOU does measure HEART.  If by HEART you mean man who does get send off fuh dotish tackles leavin men to struggle short handed fuh a entire half, den yuh could keep yuh HEART thank yuh very much.


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Yuh REAL like tuh play DEVIL's advocate eh?  :devil:

Moi?  8)
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: daryn on April 07, 2009, 04:40:21 PM

Right?  Or is Latapy pick dem?  Or maybe Yorke?  Are they playing in their correct positions?


Palos,

the one thing I agree with you on is that if yuh want to blame Maturana for the negative things that happen during his tenure yuh can't conveniently give credit to yorke or latas for good things.

you're right that anybody blaming Pacho for the blacklist is confused.  I'm not too sure who was making those arguments.

that being said, the case against Maturana is still overwhelming:  even among the players that were available to him at any given time he has made bad decisions.  So for you to make a list of good selections that he has made is somewhat disingenuous because all of those are straightforward choices for a TT coach.  In fact, they only serve to make the glaring errors more confusing.       

You made a list of all the players that he did call, so the least you could do is be honest about it.   Even among the players on that list he hasn't shown much consistency.  And when men did get called up it wasn't unusual to see baffling decisions about who would actually be on the field e.g. some of the decisions he made to keep players like Lawrence, Stern and Scotland on the bench in favor of players who clearly weren't up to the level.

In any case, the overarching argument against him, I think, is that the side hasn't really played that well under him.  The fact that you would have to resort to referring to a 3-1 victory over Cuba should tell you something.  Cuba is decent opposition in the Caribbean context but realistically we should have more ambition than to be classified in the same tier as them. 
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: palos on April 07, 2009, 05:02:55 PM

Right?  Or is Latapy pick dem?  Or maybe Yorke?  Are they playing in their correct positions?


Palos,

the one thing I agree with you on is that if yuh want to blame Maturana for the negative things that happen during his tenure yuh can't conveniently give credit to yorke or latas for good things.

you're right that anybody blaming Pacho for the blacklist is confused.  I'm not too sure who was making those arguments.

that being said, the case against Maturana is still overwhelming:  even among the players that were available to him at any given time he has made bad decisions.  So for you to make a list of good selections that he has made is somewhat disingenuous because all of those are straightforward choices for a TT coach.  In fact, they only serve to make the glaring errors more confusing.       

You made a list of all the players that he did call, so the least you could do is be honest about it.   Even among the players on that list he hasn't shown much consistency.  And when men did get called up it wasn't unusual to see baffling decisions about who would actually be on the field e.g. some of the decisions he made to keep players like Lawrence, Stern and Scotland on the bench in favor of players who clearly weren't up to the level.

In any case, the overarching argument against him, I think, is that the side hasn't really played that well under him.  The fact that you would have to resort to referring to a 3-1 victory over Cuba should tell you something.  Cuba is decent opposition in the Caribbean context but realistically we should have more ambition than to be classified in the same tier as them. 

Breds....I not arguin AGAINST gettin rid of Maturana.  Lord knows de man do some shit.

What I am against is the wholesale blame of Maturana for everything from de team selection to de wall goin up by de Beetham.

If yuh blamin Maturana for selectin Akile Edwards and Anthony Wolfe, how yuh go tun around & say is Latapy pick Stern John and Carlos Edwards?

A man lookin to blame de coach fuh de fact dat de Yankees set up Altidore fuh de hattrick, conveniently neglecting to mention dat we was 2 goals down, lookin to make something happen, and get ketch on de counter.  If de team did maintain shape and try to restrict de scoreline, same man woulda bawl bout how we down 2 goals and nobody doin anyting.

Is dem kinda hypocrisy's and inconsistencies dat I against.  Same ting wit Akile Edwards.  Nutting de boy could do would be good enough for most people on dis site.  NOTHING.  Because in dem mind, dem know more football dan anybody else and de player is a hound.  And yuh know...perhaps he is.  But even when he do decent or something positive, dey still cyah bring deyself to acknowledge dat.  Nah....DEM HAVE TO BE RIGHT.  He is a hound and nutting will change dat.  Bring back Avery.....until de next penalty dat leave we wit 10 men and a half to play dat is.  Den yuh go hear man praisin Avery fuh de "BLADE" he does share.

Maturana could go.  Matter of fact, he should go IMO.  He not cuttin it.  But he by no means to blame fuh all de ills of we football team.  Not by a long shot.  When he gone, ah want to see who peeps go blame nex.  De latest flavour of de month is Trini Terry Fenwick.  He could speak English, he know we players and culture, and he win Pro League Titles.  Leh he lorse 2 game nah.  Den it go be a nex story.   Interesting dat jes 3 months ago....Christmas time....Latas was supposed to be de saviour.  Not hearin too much bout saviour Latas dese days doh.  So it go...ent?
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: WestCoast on April 07, 2009, 05:14:05 PM
Ah ! well a-day back in 1973 ! what evil looks
Had I from old and young !
Instead of the cross, the Albatross
About TnT neck was hung.


my apologies to Coleridge
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: ian1wason on April 07, 2009, 06:00:26 PM
hey patriot I'm  in, that panel discussion will be great on Friday, i cant wait to see our discussion again on TV
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Hyperhot J on April 07, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
     Maturana must go, our last 2 goodish performances which was last year against Guatemala (0-0 in Gaut.) and the 2-1 win vs the USA here, was SOLELY to Yorke and Latas controlling the game, it had NOTHING to do with Matucraphole on the bench or any strategy by him. Obviously when Yorke and Latas not in the game the side shitty because that is when they have NO choice BUT to listen to Mr. Matushithong.

Clyde Leon was NEVER supposed to be in that team, no one will ever know why Hyland did not START and play along with Birchall but Matushithong.

We played 3 games and have 2 points when realistically we should have had 4 (should have beaten El Salvador, and ironically I blame Yorke for letting Shitty Stern waste it).

Last time we had 1 point and a miracle man called Don Leo this time?????

I would say get Guus Hiddink...

what about Terry Fenwick as a local option?

J.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: just cool on April 07, 2009, 06:09:50 PM
    Maturana must go, our last 2 goodish performances which was last year against Guatemala (0-0 in Gaut.) and the 2-1 win vs the USA here, was SOLELY to Yorke and Latas controlling the game, it had NOTHING to do with Matucraphole on the bench or any strategy by him. Obviously when Yorke and Latas not in the game the side shitty because that is when they have NO choice BUT to listen to Mr. Matushithong.

Clyde Leon was NEVER supposed to be in that team, no one will ever know why Hyland did not START and play along with Birchall but Matushithong.

We played 3 games and have 2 points when realistically we should have had 4 (should have beaten El Salvador, and ironically I blame Yorke for letting Shitty Stern waste it).

Last time we had 1 point and a miracle man called Don Leo this time?????

I would say get Guus Hiddink...

what about Terry Fenwick as a local option?

J.
I glad we got all the results we got so far in the hex, we deserve it!1 it was ah nessesary evil. id rather lose pancho now than later! so i glad we get drobbed.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Brownsugar on April 07, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
hey patriot I'm  in, that panel discussion will be great on Friday, i cant wait to see our discussion again on TV

Whey boy dat was fast!!...welcome!!.... :beermug:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: daryn on April 07, 2009, 06:18:55 PM

What I am against is the wholesale blame of Maturana for everything from de team selection to de wall goin up by de Beetham.

If yuh blamin Maturana for selectin Akile Edwards and Anthony Wolfe, how yuh go tun around & say is Latapy pick Stern John and Carlos Edwards?

well, like I said above if someone is making that kinda argument then it's obviously flawed.


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A man lookin to blame de coach fuh de fact dat de Yankees set up Altidore fuh de hattrick, conveniently neglecting to mention dat we was 2 goals down, lookin to make something happen, and get ketch on de counter.  If de team did maintain shape and try to restrict de scoreline, same man woulda bawl bout how we down 2 goals and nobody doin anyting.

Maybe I should let Patriot speak for himself on this one but I think you might be missing Patriot's real point which is that we never should be in that situation to getting pappy show in the first place.  The US might beat us consistently but we never look so bad against them as the last 2 games.  Is it a coincidence that those 2 games come under Maturana? We get ample warning from the men who does be watching the team the most carefully and often like Patriot, Touches and BM.

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Same ting wit Akile Edwards.  Nutting de boy could do would be good enough for most people on dis site.  NOTHING.  Because in dem mind, dem know more football dan anybody else and de player is a hound.  And yuh know...perhaps he is.  But even when he do decent or something positive, dey still cyah bring deyself to acknowledge dat.  Nah....DEM HAVE TO BE RIGHT.  He is a hound and nutting will change dat.  Bring back Avery.....until de next penalty dat leave we wit 10 men and a half to play dat is.  Den yuh go hear man praisin Avery fuh de "BLADE" he does share.

I seriously doubt that anybody wants Akile to fail.  For all his deficiencies Avery has clearly been our best option at left back in the last half-decade.  We were in mess at that position before Beenhakker brought him back into the fold and unfortunately we have been in a mess in that position since we stop picking Avery.  So yes he did get a red card once and he was suspended for a game once in 2005 and he doesn't overlap much but he carries out the primary function of a left back better than the anybody else we try so people just responding to the fact that the man getting overlooked for someone who doesn't seem to be ready.



Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: maxg on April 07, 2009, 06:42:10 PM
and in 2009 ?
scratch that, who is he to be replaced by ?  How long we contracting him or her (weary might run) for ? What is their mandate ? How do we evaluate ?  What will determine to be worse ?  Does it depend on who is selected (like ah friend ting)? Is Avery/Cyd/Brent match fit and ready ? where did they get their match fitness ? does it matter, we picking dem anyway ? what to tell the guys who match fit ? when will they be ready ?
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 07, 2009, 06:50:54 PM
hey patriot I'm  in, that panel discussion will be great on Friday, i cant wait to see our discussion again on TV
Welcome to the Forum Ian! Enjoy! And yes, I too will be watching on Friday!
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Babalawo on April 07, 2009, 06:54:07 PM
 :waiting:  Friendism will kill we. Yorke giving Stern John to take penalty is just one example.  We need a disciplinarian like Beenhakker was.  If Jack want to save money he could give Fenwich a 1-yr contract to see where things goes.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: PATRIOT on April 07, 2009, 07:15:38 PM
And you HONESTLY tellin me that you believe Maturana was the one who AT THAT TIME was keepin we best players off de team and NOT Jack Warner.

And you HONESTLY also blamin Maturana for the opposition queuin up to try and give Altidore he hattrick KNOWING that we was already down 2-0 and most of we players were over tjhe half line tryin to make something happen and we get ketch on a counter attack.Who yuh vex wit?  Maturana or de players who expose Ince so cruelly?  We ALL know de answer to dat question doh ent? YES! Re-Read what I wrote about WHO he (Mats) picked... Wolfe and Akiel are decent players, but HORRIBLE in the positions he is playing them... AGAIN... they did NOT pick themselves... HE did!

So is also Maturana dat pick
Clayton Ince
Dennis Lawrence
Keyeno Thomas
Christopher Birchall
Dwight Yorke
Carlos Edwards
Russell Latapy
Stern John
Kenwyne Jones
Jason Scotland
Aurtis Whitley and
Cornell Glen

Right?  Or is Latapy pick dem?  Or maybe Yorke?  Are they playing in their correct positions?

As was discussed by the Panel earlier, it is CLEAR to see that once Latas replaced Corneal as Asst. Coach, we switched from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2... Silvio re-appeared on the scene, clearly Latas has had SOME impact on the Coaching decisions... maybe you missed the press Conference when JW stated clearly that  Latas apointment as an Asst was NOT cosmetic and he WOULD have input into the coaching...HOW much I don't know, but I would suggest from the evidence that Matas isn't the SOLE Captain of this ship... UNFORTUNATELY for him as the Yanks are fond of saying " The buck stops with HIM"... he's being judged by results ad for the campaign he ain't cutting it!


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Proof positive dat no matter what Maturana does or doesn't do...even when de team doing exactly what YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES, nutting he could do would be right fuh allyuh. As Touches said some time aback, the ONLY good thing Mats did was to give the youths a bly at Senior level... and drop dem when it was clear they weren't ready yet. the UP side being that we benefitted at the Under-20 level, qualifying for Egypt

Yuh still eh answer if you was coach or if anybody else was coach, if when yuh team down 2-0 late in a game that getting caught on the counter looking to create something offensively is the coach fault.  Why yuh RUNNIN from answerin dat question? Thanks to Daryn for HIS response to this issue... the point is EXACTLY that if his selection and strategy (or lack thereof) were not flawed to begin with, we most likely wouldn't BE in a 2-0 deficit in the first place! His panicked response to go with 3 strikers, with Leon practically a 5th defender and Hyland our lone central midfielder and with carlos wide right did NOT work... we lost our shape and the resultant confusion (and Ince's lapse) resulted in that 3rd goal...
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Allyuh want rejects like Sancho, Avery and Cyd to not jes be in de squad, but startin.  YES! Those 3 have MORE heart and experience than SOME of the men playing in their place (deliberately NOT callin any SPECIFIC names... those who have GOOD eyesight could see!)

Why yuh fraid to name names?  Seein dat dem men YOU say have more HEART dan anybody who currently playin in their place.  Me eh know how YOU does measure HEART.  If by HEART you mean man who does get send off fuh dotish tackles leavin men to struggle short handed fuh a entire half, den yuh could keep yuh HEART thank yuh very much. By Heart I mean men who play HARD for 90 mins and do NOT get run past like a cone by the same play over and over again... Avery and Cyd WILL pick up yellow and red cards, but guess what? Akiel missing the next game after picking up 2 yellows in 3 games, so I guess he would fall into the men who could "keep yuh heart thank yuh very much" too based on what you just said about costing the team?...And for the record PLEASE re-read what I said before about Akiel and Wolfe being decent players, JUST NOT IN THE POSITIONS THE COACH PLAYING THEM!!!


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Yuh REAL like tuh play DEVIL's advocate eh?  :devil:

Moi?  8)
YES YOU SELF!!! :devil:
Title: For local-based Interview will air on Good Friday on TV6 6:30am/7:00am
Post by: PATRIOT on April 07, 2009, 07:27:23 PM
We ended up with 9 Pannellists being interviewed by Joel Villafana, three forumites - Weary, BrownSugar and Myself... along with Brent (Keep Maturana), my brother Anthony, Tansley Thompson (Bring back Gally) and three other gentlemen whom Joel invited... ONE of whom felt firing Maturana NOW would be a mistake, as the Coach is just a symptom of our Football problems... and NOT the root cause. The discussions were QUITE LIVELY and fairly balanced, definitely NOT "a lynching" eh Palos   ;)  Another panellist, Ian, even joined the forum tonight. Also the plan is to have a monthly Fan Discussion, so if THIS show is well received, there will be other opportunities for us to be present and air our views in the months ahead.
Title: Re: For local-based Interview will air on Good Friday on TV6 6:30am/7:00am
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 07, 2009, 07:29:14 PM
We ended up with 9 Pannellists being interviewed by Joel Villafana, three forumites - Weary, BrownSugar and Myself... along with Brent (Keep Maturana), my brother Anthony, Tansley Thompson (Bring back Gally) and three other gentlemen whom Joel invited... ONE of whom felt firing Maturana NOW would be a mistake, as the Coach is just a symptom of our Football problems... and NOT the root cause. The discussions were QUITE LIVELY and fairly balanced, definitely NOT "a lynching" eh Palos   ;)  Another panellist, Ian, even joined the forum tonight. Also the plan is to have a monthly Fan Discussion, so if THIS show is well received, there will be other opportunities for us to be present and air our views in the months ahead.

what time they airing the show?

Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 07, 2009, 07:31:30 PM
I hope to God this man out of here by thursday
Title: Re: For local-based Interview will air on Good Friday on TV6 6:30am/7:00am
Post by: PATRIOT on April 07, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
We ended up with 9 Pannellists being interviewed by Joel Villafana, three forumites - Weary, BrownSugar and Myself... along with Brent (Keep Maturana), my brother Anthony, Tansley Thompson (Bring back Gally) and three other gentlemen whom Joel invited... ONE of whom felt firing Maturana NOW would be a mistake, as the Coach is just a symptom of our Football problems... and NOT the root cause. The discussions were QUITE LIVELY and fairly balanced, definitely NOT "a lynching" eh Palos   ;)  Another panellist, Ian, even joined the forum tonight. Also the plan is to have a monthly Fan Discussion, so if THIS show is well received, there will be other opportunities for us to be present and air our views in the months ahead.

what time they airing the show? I believe it will be at 6:30am...It's the "Hot Topic" segment, and thats what time it usually airs... if not, then at 7:00am. Will confirm when I find out for sure.


Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: palos on April 07, 2009, 08:12:46 PM
Story comin to bump.

Watch de proceedins
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 07, 2009, 08:40:36 PM
I hope to God this man out of here by thursday
SM yuh planning ah good riddence or what?? :devil:
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 07, 2009, 09:27:28 PM
I hope to God this man out of here by thursday
SM yuh planning ah good riddence or what?? :devil:

If it wasnt Easter that weekend I would go on a 3 day drinking/party (a la Barry Ferguson )

but if he does not get fired i'll definitely be drinking lol
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: just cool on April 07, 2009, 09:33:03 PM
I hope to God this man out of here by thursday
SM yuh planning ah good riddence or what?? :devil:

If it wasnt Easter that weekend I would go on a 3 day drinking/party (a la Barry Ferguson )

but if he does not get fired  i'll definitely be drinking lol

Den i not supporting again! i've gone as far as i can go with this nonsense!! maybe allyuh down there could protest.

but lew we hope it's the first option.
Title: Francisco Maturana - My Way
Post by: PATRIOT on April 08, 2009, 07:14:05 AM
From Andre Baptiste:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRzkarGuTA

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Title: Re: Francisco Maturana - My Way
Post by: kaliman2006 on April 08, 2009, 10:00:30 AM
Patriot, yuh rell like chupidness boy.

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2009, 10:23:25 AM
meeting start 10 o clock
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: royal on April 08, 2009, 10:27:04 AM
Meeting push up to today at 10:00am. They must be find some already?
Title: Re: April 9, D-day for Maturana
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 10:29:38 AM
Meeting push up to today at 10:00am. They must be find some already?

So is 12:27 I eh get d text or call peeps what is dat all yuh know who I talkin bout. What happen wit d goat.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 10:31:15 AM
hey patriot I'm  in, that panel discussion will be great on Friday, i cant wait to see our discussion again on TV

Whey boy dat was fast!!...welcome!!.... :beermug:

D fella is ah man after he word so where do we collect our referral fee?
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 10:36:08 AM
and in 2009 ?
scratch that, who is he to be replaced by ?  How long we contracting him or her (weary might run) for ? What is their mandate ? How do we evaluate ?  What will determine to be worse ?  Does it depend on who is selected (like ah friend ting)? Is Avery/Cyd/Brent match fit and ready ? where did they get their match fitness ? does it matter, we picking dem anyway ? what to tell the guys who match fit ? when will they be ready ?

U sure bout that and siince I am au courant wit Performance MGMT it will have that in meh contract so like in d real world ie outside of TNT if I eh deliver I go b fired. It yet 2 happen in meh professional career so all yuh cyah do worse than me.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Daft Trini on April 08, 2009, 10:36:41 AM
mats stayin... >:(
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
mats stayin... >:(

It announce?
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
mats stayin... >:(

im sure he just talking that
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Brownsugar on April 08, 2009, 10:54:50 AM
mats stayin... >:(

Doh just make dem kinda comment nah man, quote ah source....
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Callin in eh meh peeps nutten yet
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Daft Trini on April 08, 2009, 10:57:27 AM
mats stayin... >:(

Doh just make dem kinda comment nah man, quote ah source....

Sorry brown... calling and texting meh peoples (I would like to think so) at TTFF and no answers, so as of now, with no word out... he's in...  :'(
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Brownsugar on April 08, 2009, 10:58:56 AM
Callin in eh meh peeps nutten yet

I heard on I95.5 fm this morning that an announcement was due around 1 pm today....and dem was getting kicks and saying how since for dem, is a foregone conclusion dat Maturana has to go, the sports news department could write up the story before hand.... ;D
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: D.H.W on April 08, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
mats stayin... >:(

Doh just make dem kinda comment nah man, quote ah source....

Sorry brown... calling and texting meh peoples (I would like to think so) at TTFF and no answers, so as of now, with no word out... he's in...  :'(

 :thinking: u like the give people heart attack  ::)
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 11:07:01 AM
Callin in eh meh peeps nutten yet

I heard on I95.5 fm this morning that an announcement was due around 1 pm today....and dem was getting kicks and saying how since for dem, is a foregone conclusion dat Maturana has to go, the sports news department could write up the story before hand.... ;D

Well if it eh happen Manning go get ease up on GFriday 4 a change because he eh d biggest clown in town again. So maybe Manning askin 4 he 2 stay.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: samo on April 08, 2009, 11:34:49 AM
I am sure he is getting axed...I spoke with someone in the ttff last week, and they said Jack was pissed after the game, they basically said that they had no one lined up,so i assume that was why they waited to announce, so they woul have time for a replacement...
Also I cannot see them making an announcement to say they keeping him...
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Brownsugar on April 08, 2009, 11:41:38 AM
I am sure he is getting axed...I spoke with someone in the ttff last week, and they said Jack was pissed after the game, they basically said that they had no one lined up,so i assume that was why they waited to announce, so they woul have time for a replacement...
Also I cannot see them making an announcement to say they keeping him...

Steups dais why we eh getting nowhere...no forward thinking on de TTFF's part.  Since de Bermuda debacle dey shoulda have a replacement lined up.....chups
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 08, 2009, 11:46:52 AM
They should always have succession planning...but then again, it's the TTFF
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Daft Trini on April 08, 2009, 11:47:31 AM
They should always have succession planning...but then again, it's the TTFF

They may have all along with Latas coming on board....
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 01:19:22 PM
HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 08, 2009, 01:21:06 PM
HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maturana...fired TODAY!  ;D
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Babalawo on April 08, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
 :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: weary1969 on April 08, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maturana...fired TODAY!  ;D

Stop spreadin rumours he resign because of differences of opinion on d way forward. He wanted 2 show dat Wolfe is a complete footballer by putting him in the goal. After all he has played every other position.
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: WestCoast on April 08, 2009, 02:34:18 PM
HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maturana...fired TODAY!  ;D

Stop spreadin rumours he resign because of differences of opinion on d way forward. He wanted 2 show dat Wolfe is a complete footballer by putting him in the goal. After all he has played every other position.
Weary, ya go kill we here :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Babalawo on April 08, 2009, 02:40:05 PM
HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maturana...fired TODAY!  ;D

Stop spreadin rumours he resign because of differences of opinion on d way forward. He wanted 2 show dat Wolfe is a complete footballer by putting him in the goal. After all he has played every other position.
Weary, ya go kill we here :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Maybe he should of put Wolfe in as goalie :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: triniairman on April 08, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
T&T coach Maturana resigns
Coaching team steps down after clashing with federation
Last updated: 8th April 2009
Trinidad & Tobago's World Cup hopes have been rocked by the resignation of manager Francisco Maturana and his staff on Wednesday.

The Soca Warriors are still very much in contention to qualify for next year's World Cup in South Africa as although they are bottom of the six-team Concacaf group after two draws and a defeat, they still have another seven games to play.

But Maturana has suddenly stepped down because of "differences in opinion" with the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation's executive committee, the federation confirmed.

In a terse statement, the federation thanked Maturana and his backroom team "for their service to our nation's football these past months."

Maturana, who coached Colombia in the 1990 and 1994 World Cups, could not immediately be contacted.

Criticism
The 60-year-old Colombian replaced Wim Rijsbergen as manager in February 2008 and was criticised by local media for some of his selections, especially after last week's 3-0 loss away to the USA.

Veteran midfielder and former assistant coach Russell Latapy will take over as interim coach, with the team's next qualifier coming on June 6 at home to Costa Rica, followed by a visit to Mexico on June 10.

Trinidad & Tobago became the smallest country in size and population to ever qualify for the World Cup when they reached Germany 2006.

Maturana coached Medellin's Atletico Nacional to the 1989 Copa Libertadores title, before coaching a host of club sides around the world along with the national teams of Ecuador, Peru and Costa Rica.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12098_5163719,00.html
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: Weh-it-is on April 08, 2009, 02:42:33 PM
HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maturana...fired TODAY!  ;D

Stop spreadin rumours he resign because of differences of opinion on d way forward. He wanted 2 show dat Wolfe is a complete footballer by putting him in the goal. After all he has played every other position.
Weary, ya go kill we here :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Maybe he should of put Wolfe in as goalie :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Nah put he behind de post...that could run after de ball and them.  >:(
Title: Re: Maturana...fired NOW?
Post by: E-man on April 08, 2009, 02:43:57 PM
Latapy steps in for Trinidad
(FIFA.com)


Trinidad and Tobago have accepted the resignation of head coach Francisco 'Pacho' Maturana and his technical staff, following a meeting of the dual-island nation's football authorities on 8 April.

The Colombian tactician, who took over the post last year, was never able to shift into high gear with the Soca Warriors, who became the smallest country to qualify for a FIFA World Cup™ when they reached Germany 2006. He will be replaced, in an interim capacity, by 41-year-old Russell Latapy, who still plays in the national team and was one of Maturana's assistant coaches.

"The TTFF wishes to thank Coach Francisco Maturana and his technical staff for their service to our nation's football these past months," T&T's FA said in a statement.

Latapy was player-coach of Scottish Premier League side Falkirk before stepping down this year to focus on the national team. He is considered one of the country's greatest-ever players alongside teammate Dwight Yorke.

Stints at FC Porto and Glasgow Rangers as a player have him held in high regard in his native land. Latapy will be assisted by successful U-20 boss Zoran Vranes, who recently led the youth team to the FIFA U-20 World Cup Egypt 2009.

Under Maturana, Trinidad failed to find their rhythm in the final round of qualifying in the North, Central American and Caribbean Zone, picking up only two points from three matches and languishing on the bottom of the final six-team 'hexagonal.'

Their next 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa qualifying match is at home to Costa Rica on 6 June, followed by an away clash with Mexico four days later.
Title: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: E-man on May 27, 2009, 08:46:16 AM
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/news/newsid=1062931.html

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Ecuador was pleased to host its second Com-Unity course in the space of four years in Quito recently, with a special focus being placed on football's relationship with the media. Representing FIFA were Dr. Jorge Gullen (a medical representative), Ernesto Fillipi (a referee instructor), former Colombia and Trinidad and Tobago coach Francisco Maturana (representing the FIFA Technical Study Group) and Fernando Ruiz from FIFA TV.

(http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/afdeveloping/courses/01/06/29/58/1062958_small.jpg)

Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Peong on May 27, 2009, 09:14:28 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sweetiepaper on May 27, 2009, 09:25:55 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


I glad to see the back of Mats.
But all T&T coaches does have to put up with that shit. The only one (I believe) stood firm was Beenie.
I hope Latas strong, but Ah cyar see him putting he foot down wrt picking his team. The story of our football. :(
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 09:28:09 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 09:31:02 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


I truly do not doubt that for a moment. The unfortunate part of that is we truly do not know what he could have done had he had full control of the team.  I know many here ragged on him but in reality the man was not a bad coach prior to coaching our team.  Language barrier aside it can't be easy coaching a team that you have no control over picking.  Given the freedom to pick his own team we might have had much better results.  He did the best thing by retiring (whether forced or not) tho, because the situation had no appearance of improving.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 09:31:57 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Bourbon on May 27, 2009, 09:34:49 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yuh HOPE Russell eh go take dat from TTFF. And in my view....the way things happened before....i could expect anything.

Anyhow...all dat musbe was part of Maturana severance package. Ent Alvin in a technical study fifa group or someting so too?
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Socapro on May 27, 2009, 09:38:03 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


I truly do not doubt that for a moment. The unfortunate part of that is we truly do not know what he could have done had he had full control of the team.  I know many here ragged on him but in reality the man was not a bad coach prior to coaching our team.  Language barrier aside it can't be easy coaching a team that you have no control over picking.  Given the freedom to pick his own team we might have had much better results.  He did the best thing by retiring (whether forced or not) tho, because the situation had no appearance of improving.

So glad to see the back of that sad excuse for a coach!!

If you can't pick the team you are not the coach so why did he stay here so long collecting money & now trying to blame the TFF for his failures!

A weakling cannot coach the T&T team especially with Jack being its financial advisor/controller!

Please Mats, go extract someone else's teeth and leave ours in tact, thank you very much!  :shameonyou:
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 09:52:11 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.

Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 09:55:18 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.






Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Yep ah stopping right here with dat. Russell is a man. And he definitely dont need Jack to further his career in life
so believe what you want.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 10:02:27 AM
Yep ah stopping right here with dat. Russell is a man. And he definitely dont need Jack to further his career in life
so believe what you want.


You mean de same Jack dat gih him de wuk?  Or de same jack dat say he have full control?  Like ah say before you stop dey wid dat
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: palos on May 27, 2009, 10:31:03 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Ent?

Ah suppose Porterfield wasn't a respectable coach.  Neither was Wim.  Nor Simoes.  Nor Bertille.  etc. etc. etc.

Of course we all know that super respectable coach Trini Terry would never take dat from anybody.  8)
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 10:36:20 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Ent?

Ah suppose Porterfield wasn't a respectable coach.  Neither was Wim.  Nor Simoes.  Nor Bertille.  etc. etc. etc.

Of course we all know that super respectable coach Trini Terry would never take dat from anybody.  8)
Me eh kno wha some man does be thinkin nah.  Experienced coaches have endured it constantly with the TTFF but a rookie coach wanting to preserve his dream job will say "nah f**k dat, allyuh eh go run my program sah" to de TTFF ent?! :rotfl:
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: palos on May 27, 2009, 10:38:50 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Ent?

Ah suppose Porterfield wasn't a respectable coach.  Neither was Wim.  Nor Simoes.  Nor Bertille.  etc. etc. etc.

Of course we all know that super respectable coach Trini Terry would never take dat from anybody.  8)
Me eh kno wha some man does be thinkin nah.  Experienced coaches have endured it constantly with the TTFF but a rookie coach wanting to preserve his dream job will say "nah f**k dat, allyuh eh go run my program sah" to de TTFF ent?! :rotfl:

If Russell is so he own man, lemmeh see he 1) pick Brent Sancho &/or Kelvin Jack and 2) dey actually play.  ;D
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 10:42:44 AM
If Russell is so he own man, lemmeh see he 1) pick Brent Sancho &/or Kelvin Jack and 2) dey actually play.  ;D

Yuh go see God face b4 yuh see dat.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 10:48:17 AM
Yep ah stopping right here with dat. Russell is a man. And he definitely dont need Jack to further his career in life
so believe what you want.


You mean de same Jack dat gih him de wuk?  Or de same jack dat say he have full control?  Like ah say before you stop dey wid dat

It seems as though you dont understand the difference between givng a man a job and being the person needed to further that man's career. If you think that Russell is your run-of-mill type of coach that jack normally hires then who i am to tell you otherwise. I know that jack wont tell him who to pick. You seriouly think that russel reached where he reached in life because of inability to make firm decisions and stick to them? The day jack interferes with his business Russell will walk.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 10:53:45 AM
Yep ah stopping right here with dat. Russell is a man. And he definitely dont need Jack to further his career in life
so believe what you want.


You mean de same Jack dat gih him de wuk?  Or de same jack dat say he have full control?  Like ah say before you stop dey wid dat

It seems as though you dont understand the difference between givng a man a job and being the person needed to further that man's career. If you think that Russell is your run-of-mill type of coach that jack normally hires then who i am to tell you otherwise. I know that jack wont tell him who to pick. You seriouly think that russel reached where he reached in life because of inability to make firm decisions and stick to them? The day jack interferes with his business Russell will walk.
And you can guarantee that?  Dan be real nah, I not saying Russell eh he own man an all dat eh.  But at the end of the day, if he serious about coaching it eh go look good that he walk away from his first coaching job without progressing to a better opportunity.  As far as that run of the mill statement you must be on drugs.  When was the last time our national team had a rookie coach?  As convicted as Russell could be he has much less footing than any of our previous coaches to grand stand.  I hoping for the best with him but I not under the same delusions as you.  Stop dey wit dat fella!
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 10:59:08 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Ent?

Ah suppose Porterfield wasn't a respectable coach.  Neither was Wim.  Nor Simoes.  Nor Bertille.  etc. etc. etc.

Of course we all know that super respectable coach Trini Terry would never take dat from anybody.  8)
Me eh kno wha some man does be thinkin nah.  Experienced coaches have endured it constantly with the TTFF but a rookie coach wanting to preserve his dream job will say "nah f**k dat, allyuh eh go run my program sah" to de TTFF ent?! :rotfl:

If Russell is so he own man, lemmeh see he 1) pick Brent Sancho &/or Kelvin Jack and 2) dey actually play.  ;D

So inorder for Russell to prove to you that he is he own man he has to pick Sancho or Jack regardless whether or not they fit into his palns . The important thing is that he must do that which fits into your burden of proof to show that he is his own man. I know you love mediocrity hence your call for Jack and your love for Daniel and Glen. Gladly Russell picks who he wants and if one day Sancho should fit into his plans I have no doubt that he would be called. In the mean time deal with the fact that he has called players he considers more important to the plans he has for the natinal team andd that the chaff will soon be sifted out.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 11:08:13 AM
Yep ah stopping right here with dat. Russell is a man. And he definitely dont need Jack to further his career in life
so believe what you want.


You mean de same Jack dat gih him de wuk?  Or de same jack dat say he have full control?  Like ah say before you stop dey wid dat

It seems as though you dont understand the difference between givng a man a job and being the person needed to further that man's career. If you think that Russell is your run-of-mill type of coach that jack normally hires then who i am to tell you otherwise. I know that jack wont tell him who to pick. You seriouly think that russel reached where he reached in life because of inability to make firm decisions and stick to them? The day jack interferes with his business Russell will walk.
And you can guarantee that?  Dan be real nah, I not saying Russell eh he own man an all dat eh.  But at the end of the day, if he serious about coaching it eh go look good that he walk away from his first coaching job without progressing to a better opportunity.  As far as that run of the mill statement you must be on drugs.  When was the last time our national team had a rookie coach?  As convicted as Russell could be he has much less footing than any of our previous coaches to grand stand.  I hoping for the best with him but I not under the same delusions as you.  Stop dey wit dat fella!


Rookie coaches.,.....Gally Cummings, BSC, Granville, Anton, Mc comie, Najjar,  ....Not one of the aforementioned was coaching in our top league as head coach prior to a national appt. Of these only Gally had played at the highest level and was easily the best of the lot. Apart from that i can tell you that Jack could not have nor did he ever tell Gally who was to play. You may not live under any delusions and i respect that you also need to stop living in the cattle drive world whre everyone follows the poular opinion. Stop dey with dat fella!!!
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sub1 on May 27, 2009, 11:30:56 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Ent?

Ah suppose Porterfield wasn't a respectable coach.  Neither was Wim.  Nor Simoes.  Nor Bertille.  etc. etc. etc.

Of course we all know that super respectable coach Trini Terry would never take dat from anybody.  8)

Those three never bowed to Jack's assinine insistence. In Wim's case the players were banned. He lost his job because he kept insisting on having his best possible team and not because of the antiman LP. Bertille besides being a coach seriously out of his depth was an intensely proud man who, because of his insistence that Jack stay out of his coaching business lost his opportunity to do even worse as a coach. Awful coach but a very strong individual who Jack could not mess with. Jack could not mess with the prof. I say so.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: SUPA on May 27, 2009, 12:32:14 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Oh lawd, as meh granny in T&T will say, "mouth open torry start tuh jump out." Tell yuh co-worker tuh tell yuh some more, give us de run down, we really need it. May be is just me, but I honestly thought dem days fuh doing dat was over, cuz we went de big stage and dey should be at a different level as far how dey think. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 12:37:32 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Oh lawd, as meh granny in T&T will say, "mouth open torry start tuh jump out." Tell yuh co-worker tuh tell yuh some more, give us de run down, we really need it. May be is just me, but I honestly thought dem days fuh doing dat was over, cuz we went de big stage and dey should be at a different level as far how dey think. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Untill the TTFF is totally overhauled and all members removed and replaced that eh happenin SUPA
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: E-man on May 27, 2009, 01:02:10 PM
looking through Spanish news to see where he said that. In doing so I see Ecuador is experimenting with 3/5/2 (http://www.elmorlaco.com/noticiasfutbol.aspx?cod=1566) in their friendly vs. El Sal

Mat's also says Colombia won't qualify for WC 2010 (http://www.goal.com/es-la/news/695/colombia/2009/05/18/1272554/colombia-lo-m%C3%A1s-probable-es-que-no-clasifiquemos-al-mundial-dijo-).


Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Deeks on May 27, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
Why all yuh bringing up a thread with Pacho. All yuh did'nt like him. There is no need to reminist on the good old days.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Peong on May 27, 2009, 03:21:30 PM
Oh lawd, as meh granny in T&T will say, "mouth open torry start tuh jump out." Tell yuh co-worker tuh tell yuh some more, give us de run down, we really need it. May be is just me, but I honestly thought dem days fuh doing dat was over, cuz we went de big stage and dey should be at a different level as far how dey think. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Everybody know Jack want his hand in everyting.

I ask de Colombian man here what else Mats say, and where I could find the interview.
He say it should be on Caracol.com from last week but I eh see it there.

Anyway he say Maturana said he liked our players and wanted to keep the job but the FF wanted to have too much influence in the team selection and he couldn't do everyting he wanted, so he had to let it go.

He didn't mention the dissatisfaction the general public had with his tactics and subs, or any details of the meeting with the TTFF.

Also Mats say Colombia should hire a foreign coach.
My coworker was gettin worked up over that.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on May 27, 2009, 03:27:26 PM
Oh lawd, as meh granny in T&T will say, "mouth open torry start tuh jump out." Tell yuh co-worker tuh tell yuh some more, give us de run down, we really need it. May be is just me, but I honestly thought dem days fuh doing dat was over, cuz we went de big stage and dey should be at a different level as far how dey think. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Everybody know Jack want his hand in everyting.

I ask de Colombian man here what else Mats say, and where I could find the interview.
He say it should be on Caracol.com from last week but I eh see it there.

Anyway he say Maturana said he liked our players and wanted to keep the job but the FF wanted to have too much influence in the team selection and he couldn't do everyting he wanted, so he had to let it go.

He didn't mention the dissatisfaction the general public had with his tactics and subs, or any details of the meeting with the TTFF.

Also Mats say Colombia should hire a foreign coach.
My coworker was gettin worked up over that.


So if true he's a real coach den.  Maybe his subs that he used were based on players he had confidence in.  Hmm this is interesting tho.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2009, 05:10:59 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Then he aint no coach as i supected. any respectable coach would not take that shit from anyone

I know Russell anit go take that from TTFF. And what people in the TTFF he talking bout. Only one person could do that.

Yeah you stop dey wid dat :rotfl:

Ent?

Ah suppose Porterfield wasn't a respectable coach.  Neither was Wim.  Nor Simoes.  Nor Bertille.  etc. etc. etc.

Of course we all know that super respectable coach Trini Terry would never take dat from anybody.  8)
Me eh kno wha some man does be thinkin nah.  Experienced coaches have endured it constantly with the TTFF but a rookie coach wanting to preserve his dream job will say "nah f**k dat, allyuh eh go run my program sah" to de TTFF ent?! :rotfl:

If Russell is so he own man, lemmeh see he 1) pick Brent Sancho &/or Kelvin Jack and 2) dey actually play.  ;D

Cosign
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
Why all yuh bringing up a thread with Pacho. All yuh did'nt like him. There is no need to reminist on the good old days.

LOUDEST OF STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Babalawo on May 27, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.
i feel bad for mats here.  from the blacklist to the corneals. ttff is ah mess
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2009, 05:22:15 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.
i feel bad for mats here.  from the blacklist to the corneals. ttff is ah mess

Easiest pesos he ever make. Snr chipmunk is he partner. Who u tink get he d wuk.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: WestCoast on May 27, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.
Well, let me tell allya
I AM SHOCKED to read this :devil:

I sure DAT ent happening on LATAS watch ::)
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: sjahrain on May 27, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
I give Mats respect on one issue,he gave many of the youths and fringe players caps... :beermug:
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: weary1969 on May 27, 2009, 07:06:32 PM
I give Mats respect on one issue,he gave many of the youths and fringe players caps... :beermug:

He had no choice the old players were blacklisted.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: SUPA on May 29, 2009, 02:08:32 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


Oh lawd, as meh granny in T&T will say, "mouth open torry start tuh jump out." Tell yuh co-worker tuh tell yuh some more, give us de run down, we really need it. May be is just me, but I honestly thought dem days fuh doing dat was over, cuz we went de big stage and dey should be at a different level as far how dey think. HIGHLY BLESSED.

Untill the TTFF is totally overhauled and all members removed and replaced that eh happenin SUPA


If yuh check meh post and dem, ah does always defend Jack. I still will defend some of his contributions to the game in our country. However, ah hearing Jack and he crew names coming up too often in ah bunch of negative things. Yuh know what, everybody cah be wrong. Well if these allegations are really true, dis type ah behaviour is totally unacceptable  :(. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Anbrat on May 29, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


If indeed true and he succumbed, it confirms that Maturana is weak and would be ineffective as a coach/leader.
Title: Where is Wim & Paco now ?
Post by: christiano on June 29, 2009, 08:56:48 PM
Any updates on their new assignments ?
Title: Re: Where is Wim & Paco now ?
Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2009, 08:58:16 PM
Why ask? Does anybody on the site cares?????
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Weh-it-is on June 30, 2009, 02:14:31 PM
I does see goat everyday on my way home. ???
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: ribbit on June 30, 2009, 10:06:52 PM
pacho get plenty talk how he no habla inglese but how many of dis side have enough spanish to make it onto a side in colombia or wherever maturana turn up? they have some good leagues in south america - if pacho get a wuk and have a left back spot open for aklie  ;) , he ready to go? or dey doh pay de players in dose leagues? just wondering.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: Bourbon on July 01, 2009, 09:24:42 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


If indeed true and he succumbed, it confirms that Maturana is weak and would be ineffective as a coach/leader.

So if de same said bout latas....wha we could deduce?
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: weary1969 on July 01, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
A Colombian in work here told me about a recent Maturana interview.
Maturana said that he wanted T&T to do well and was trying, but was being told who to pick by ppl in the TTFF.


If indeed true and he succumbed, it confirms that Maturana is weak and would be ineffective as a coach/leader.

So if de same said bout latas....wha we could deduce?

He just like every other coach beside d one dat take we 2 d WC.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: E-man on July 11, 2009, 11:17:23 PM
Rijsbergen negotiates with Persepolis FC
Tehran Times Sports Desk


TEHRAN - Former Netherlands defender Wim Rijsbergen is the newest candidate for taking charge of Persepolis football team.

The 57 year-old coach has come to Tehran to negotiate with Tehran’s popular team.

“Rijsbergen is a good choice to coach Persepolis. We will make the final decision by the end of Sunday,” Hamid Jasemian, a member of Persepolis’ managerial board said.

Rijsbergen assisted Leo Beenhakker in Trinidad and Tobago national team at the 2006 World Cup. He headed the team for a while after Beenhakker left the Caribbean team.

Rijsbergen will bring an assistant from the Netherlands in case of reaching the agreement with Persepolis.

The Dutch played for the Netherlands in 1974 and 1978 World Cups. He has made 28 caps and scored one goal.

He has also coached Ajax Amsterdam (youthteam), Roodenburg, Groningen and Al-Ettifaq.

Persepolis did not reach an agreement with Spaniard Benito Floro Sanz, German Klaus Toppmoller and Croat Luka Peruzovic.
Title: Re: Where are they now: Maturana sighting
Post by: injunchile on July 12, 2009, 04:09:33 AM
We got the wrong Columbian- The Haiti coach was a better option- Blame Alvin for that one.
 Plus it will not be a good career move for Latapy to play sancho/ jack.
Title: Maturana backs Trinidad & Tobago resurgence
Post by: Tallman on September 15, 2014, 07:56:05 PM
Maturana backs Trinidad & Tobago resurgence
CONCACAF.com


Former Trinidad & Tobago head coach Francisco Maturana believes the Soca Warriors have the tools to return to the World Cup and in the top flight of CONCACAF sides.

From 2008-2009, the Colombian icon guided the Caribbean power to 18 wins in 32 games.

Speaking to CONCACAF.com at the FIFA/CONCACAF/CONMEBOL Conference for National Coaches and Technical Directors in Panama, Maturana recalled fondly his time with T&T and remains optimistic that it will improve after missing out on a second straight World Cup.

“I would be glad to see Trinidad & Tobago start doing well in the future,” Maturana said.  “I got to know the players and they are good guys, but they have to work very hard.  You see how good other CONCACAF teams are playing, like Mexico, United States and Costa Rica.  It is very competitive, so they have to work very hard.”

Maturana retired from coaching in 2012, his last coaching engagement was with perennial Saudi Arabian powerhouse Al Nassr.

He now sits on the FIFA Football Committee, tasked with inter-institutional relations between the football’s governing body, confederations, clubs, leagues and member associations.

Maturana urged CONCACAF members in attendance to review thoroughly the information presented at the symposium and implement measures to lift their football.

“All the aspects discussed here are quite important,” expressed Maturana.  “The CONCACAF teams have to decide which pieces discussed can be useful.”

In an outstanding coaching career, Maturana led national teams of Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Peru and Trinidad & Tobago national, as well as top-flight European clubs like Atletico Madrid.  In 1989, he managed Colombia’s Atletico Nacional to the Copa Libertadores title.
Title: Re: Maturana backs Trinidad & Tobago resurgence
Post by: toonmili on September 15, 2014, 08:06:20 PM
Kind of misleading. He is not backing us to do well. He is hoping we do well. They always say since things. 

I saw Rolando post a picture with Kaylor Navas and got depressed. Feel like the gap is getting wider and wider and we're not even playing friendlies. Unless we have some magic dust to produce a top side then we will have a very hard time taking points from any of that 3. When we qualified we got some points from Mexico at least.
Title: Re: Maturana backs Trinidad & Tobago resurgence
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 15, 2014, 10:15:08 PM
I done say there is a front three and then a gap...Costa Rica join the U.S. and Mexico as the teams to beat in Concacaf
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Controversial on September 16, 2014, 09:18:51 AM
I done say there is a front three and then a gap...Costa Rica join the U.S. and Mexico as the teams to beat in Concacaf

nothing is special about costa rica tbh... i wasn't impressed with them at the world cup, they play together consistently that is their strength, besides that they don't have talent above TT... if TT works hard they can beat any of those teams on any given day..

but it is always lack of prep for us... like if we are being sabotaged from within...
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Tenorsaw on September 16, 2014, 09:25:39 AM
They're a much more organized unit than us, and their World Cup experience may very well have increased their confidence.  They don't have high profile players, with the exception of Navas at Madrid.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: toonmili on September 16, 2014, 09:56:53 AM
They have a lot more players playing in top leagues.  They have a great ranking so they won't have trouble getting friendlies. I'm just amazed how everyone is taking their football to another level.  Even Haiti, a third world country (and don't start arguments about Trinidad is also a third world country), had their team in order. 
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Controversial on September 16, 2014, 12:01:55 PM
They're a much more organized unit than us, and their World Cup experience may very well have increased their confidence.  They don't have high profile players, with the exception of Navas at Madrid.

i agree, they are much more organized than us because they play together more often and a lot of their team is local based because they have a strong local league... it goes to show how talented TT is bc if they were prepped in the same way as a costa rica we would be a world beater but that has never happened..

our players are flying in from all over the world, which makes it infinitely harder to gel as a unit... that is why the suggestion of putting together a local outfit is being shopped around. the only problem is our pro league is not cooperative as well as the teams, they don't care about national football..

Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Controversial on September 16, 2014, 12:06:32 PM
They have a lot more players playing in top leagues.  They have a great ranking so they won't have trouble getting friendlies. I'm just amazed how everyone is taking their football to another level.  Even Haiti, a third world country (and don't start arguments about Trinidad is also a third world country), had their team in order. 

well when you have a lawsuit that is dragging on for eons with past players and an admin who owes over US 20mm to people... how can you get your team together when you are in so much debt?

then you have players who are not locally based and have thousands of miles to travel with clubs who basically lack respect for our national football, so they give trouble to release them...

the TT govt have enough to pay everyone off and start afresh... which should happen, the govts embezzled so much of our nation's money over the years, they should get our football back on track...
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: toonmili on September 16, 2014, 12:56:11 PM
That's what I've been thinking... if only they stole a little less for one financial 1/4 the government could have us back in business. If we can give ppl for money for babies, why not.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: CDR on September 16, 2014, 01:37:15 PM
haiti got a ton of money cause of that earthquake. a lot more carib countries would be organized but money is the issue.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Deeks on September 16, 2014, 02:27:12 PM
haiti got a ton of money cause of that earthquake. a lot more carib countries would be organized but money is the issue.

We should not look at Haiti's poverty as a hinderance to their foootball progress. Haiti slump from the top of Caribbean an Concacaf football had more to do with political instability. Baby Doc, the military, Lavalas and then the earthquake. But there are lots of wealthy Haitians in Haiti and Miami. They put a lot of money in football. Allyuh know who the wealthy people are in TT. What do they do football?
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: toonmili on September 16, 2014, 03:00:39 PM
haiti got a ton of money cause of that earthquake. a lot more carib countries would be organized but money is the issue.

We should not look at Haiti's poverty as a hinderance to their foootball progress. Haiti slump from the top of Caribbean an Concacaf football had more to do with political instability. Baby Doc, the military, Lavalas and then the earthquake. But there are lots of wealthy Haitians in Haiti and Miami. They put a lot of money in football. Allyuh know who the wealthy people are in TT. What do they do football?

They buy up all the tickets when we're close to qualifying, then act like they were always there supporting.

But at the same time, It's hard to put your money when you know one or two people just stuffing their pockets and giving money to their plain son so he can buy affection.
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: CDR on September 16, 2014, 04:42:40 PM
I feel if more indian people in trinidad were into football it would be better funded
Title: Re: Maturana takes up senior coaching job.
Post by: Tiresais on September 17, 2014, 11:18:42 AM
I feel if more indian people in trinidad were into football it would be better funded

Might be unfair - there's a couple million TTD in subventions to TT Pro League teams every year.
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