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Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« on: November 28, 2010, 01:30:14 PM »
Whistle-blowing website Wikileaks has released 250,000 secret messages sent by US embassies which give an insight into current American global concerns.

They include reports of some Arab leaders - including the Saudi king - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

Other concerns include the security of Pakistani nuclear material that could be used to make an atomic weapon.

The widespread use of hacking by the Chinese government is also reported.

The leaked US embassy cables also reportedly include accounts of:

Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip

Bargaining to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison camp - including Slovenian diplomats being told to take in a freed prisoner if they wanted to secure a meeting with President Barack Obama

The extraordinarily close relationship between Russian PM Vladimir Putin and his Italian counterpart Silvio Berlusconi

Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime

American and South Korean officials' discussions about the prospects for a unified Korea should North Korea collapse as a viable state

Sharply critical accounts of UK military operations in Afghanistan

The US government has condemned the release of state department documents.

"President Obama supports responsible, accountable, and open government at home and around the world, but this reckless and dangerous action runs counter to that goal," a White House statement said.

"We condemn in the strongest terms the unauthorised disclosure of classified documents and sensitive national security information."

The founder of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, says the US authorities are afraid of being held to account. Earlier, Wikileaks said it had come under attack from a computer-hacking operation.

"We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack," it reported on its Twitter feed.
No-one has been charged with passing the diplomatic files to the website but suspicion has fallen on US Army private Bradley Manning, an intelligence analyst arrested in Iraq in June and charged over an earlier leak of classified US documents to Mr Assange's organisation.

Wikileaks argues that the site's previous releases shed light on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11858895

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 01:44:28 PM »
There's a place for a Wikileaks, such as exposing some of the questionable tactics on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan.   This however is starting to seem like espionage... there is nothing illegal, unethical or even questionable about the US activities in question here, and the only thing that can come of this is political damage to the US.  At first I was supportive of the organization, but more and more it seems a deliberate tactic to embarrass or hurt the US, rather than a campaign for truth and transparency.

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 02:46:37 PM »
I really don't see the point in releasing this information to the public.They're not helping the situation at all.

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 06:46:40 PM »
There's a place for a Wikileaks, such as exposing some of the questionable tactics on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan.   This however is starting to seem like espionage... there is nothing illegal, unethical or even questionable about the US activities in question here, and the only thing that can come of this is political damage to the US.  At first I was supportive of the organization, but more and more it seems a deliberate tactic to embarrass or hurt the US, rather than a campaign for truth and transparency.

u summed exactly how i feel about...this now looking like badmind thing
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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 10:28:13 PM »
Anyone shout "RAPE!"?

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 12:43:52 AM »
Anyone shout "RAPE!"?

One way or another they go hem up Assange... watch de ride.

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The NYT plans on publishing some of the leaked documents and explains the decision to its readers.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 05:01:06 AM »
Any Wikileaks on TNT??
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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 01:01:35 PM »
hilary looking to pull a farse one, pushing yankee diplomats to collect people credit card numbers, fingerprints, biometric data, etc...  she go send dat to nigeria to cause dem people trouble.

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 01:02:58 PM »
Any Wikileaks on TNT??

dey have few secrets out, everything out in the open.... dey bulling we fuh years and we taking it.... yuh doh need ah leak to figure find that out... just look around...!

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 01:47:44 PM »
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not fan of WikiLeaks.

The bombastic Islamic Republic leader has lashed out against the whistle blower website's release of thousands of diplomatic cables and classified documents, calling it all a secret ploy by the United States.

This is no surprise, since many of the files indicate the once hailed leader of Iran has lost favor with his people and several Arabic leaders are anxious for him to be out of power.

"The U.S. administration released [the documents] and based on them they pass judgment," Ahmadinejad told the state-run Press TV on Monday. The files "have no legal value" and "no one would waste their time reviewing them."

According to cables posted by WikiLeaks on Sunday, a Syrian journalist and blogger, who owns a media consultancy firm in Dubai, told U.S. officials that "Ahmadinejad is resented by many Iranians for domestic mismanagement, incompetence, and corruption."

Seen as a "benevolent dictator" in 2005 upon his election, he is now no longer an "untouchable, holy figure" among Arabs.

"His flaws have brought him down to the level of the Arab world's own imperfect leaders," the consultant said, according to the documents.

Ahmadinejad's "fall from grace" was largely the result of the violence seen after last year's elections.

"An Al-Arabiya executive, speaking at a recent conference, said that the election aftermath had destroyed the image many Arabs had of the Islamic Revolution, and Ahmadinejad's legitimacy as a leader was now open to question," the cable stated.

Other documents show that Saudi Arabia has repeatedly urged the U.S. to launch air strikes on Iran in order to destroy the nation's nuclear program.

"Cut off the head of the snake," the Saudi ambassador to Washington urged Gen. David Petraeus, who commands U.S. forces in Afghanistan, the documents said.


Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt also expressed similar wishes.

"The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it," said Bahrain's King Hamad.

Ahmadinejad, however, insists that his neighbors are behind him, not against him.

"The countries in the region are like friends and brothers and these acts of mischief will not affect their relations," the Iranian president said.

Ahmadinejad is not the only Iranian leader discussed in the leaked diplomatic cables. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is also said to be suffering terminal cancer, according to an Iranian source, who revealed the details in 2009.

The source, a non-Iranian businessman based in Central Asia and traveling often to Tehran, "has learned from one of his contacts that (former president Ali Akbar) Rafsanjani told him Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has terminal stage leukemia and could die in a few months."



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/11/29/2010-11-29_mahmoud_ahmadinejad_wikileaks_leaks_are_just_united_states_ploy_to_make_me_look_.html#ixzz16hZCwvpW
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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 02:00:55 PM »
de soldier that download all dem ting...whey he name? bradley?...he go get lorse under de jail
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 02:07:11 PM »
de soldier that download all dem ting...whey he name? bradley?...he go get lorse under de jail
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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2010, 05:42:47 PM »
did any of you hear that a senator (i think) wanted to label wikileaks as a terrorist group? what do you guys think about this?
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2010, 05:49:25 PM »
did any of you hear that a senator (i think) wanted to label wikileaks as a terrorist group? what do you guys think about this?

It's nonsense if you ask me.  But that said, the funny thing is, as I read of this I couldn't help but think that the US government (in order to protect secrets affecting national security) might be justified in targeting Wikileaks for some sort of covert action.  Anything along those lines would skirt a slippery slope, but at the same time this latest 'release' is tantamount to recklessness, and is certainly provocating.  Them lucky is Obama they dealing with and not Reagan or Dumbya... know how long dem buried under rubble.

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 08:45:38 AM »
"Colonel Muammar Gaddafi was suspected of being very close to a “voluptuous” Ukrainian nurse who followed him everywhere, a leaked US cable claims" :mackdaddy:

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 09:52:23 AM »
"Colonel Muammar Gaddafi was suspected of being very close to a “voluptuous” Ukrainian nurse who followed him everywhere, a leaked US cable claims" :mackdaddy:

aapps! de mad dog of the middle east get hit by de kryptonite

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 03:18:05 PM »
Anyone shout "RAPE!"?

Interpol Called for Arrest of WikiLeaks Founder

By JOHN F. BURNS and ALAN COWELL

Published: December 1, 2010

LONDON — For nearly two weeks, Interpol has been circulating a broad international call for the arrest of Julian Assange, the founder of the WikiLeaks whistle-blowing organization, to face questioning about alleged sex crimes, Interpol said on its Web site on Wednesday.

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The accusations were first made against Mr. Assange after he traveled to Sweden in mid-August and had brief relationships with two Swedish women.

According to accounts they gave to the police and friends, each had consensual sexual encounters with Mr. Assange that became nonconsensual. One said that Mr. Assange ignored her appeals to stop after a condom broke. The other said that she and Mr. Assange had begun a sexual encounter using a condom, but that Mr. Assange did not comply with her appeals to stop when it was no longer in use. Mr. Assange has portrayed the relationships as consensual and questioned the veracity of the women’s accounts.

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 03:28:08 PM »
December 1, 2010

Diplomats Noted Growing Mistrust by Canadians Toward U.S.

By CHARLIE SAVAGE

WASHINGTON — In early 2008, American diplomats stationed in Ottawa turned on their television sets and were aghast: there was an “onslaught” of Canadian shows depicting “nefarious American officials carrying out equally nefarious deeds in Canada,” from planning to bomb Quebec to stealing Canadian water supplies.

In a confidential diplomatic cable sent back to the State Department, the American Embassy warned of increasing mistrust of the United States by its northern neighbor, with which it shares some $500 billion in annual trade, the world’s longest unsecured border and a joint military mission in Afghanistan.

“The degree of comfort with which Canadian broadcast entities, including those financed by Canadian tax dollars, twist current events to feed longstanding negative images of the U.S. — and the extent to which the Canadian public seems willing to indulge in the feast — is noteworthy as an indication of the kind of insidious negative popular stereotyping we are increasingly up against in Canada,” the cable said.

A trove of diplomatic cables, obtained by WikiLeaks and made available to a number of publications, disclose a perception by American diplomats that Canadians “always carry a chip on their shoulder” in part because of a feeling that their country “is condemned to always play ‘Robin’ to the U.S. ‘Batman.’ ”

But at the same time, some Canadian officials privately tried to make it clear to their American counterparts that they did not share their society’s persistent undercurrent of anti-Americanism.

In July 2008, Canada’s intelligence service director, James Judd, discussed a video showing a crying Omar Khadr, then a teenager and a Canadian detainee at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Mr. Judd “observed that the images would no doubt trigger ‘knee-jerk anti-Americanism’ and ‘paroxysms of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty.’ ”

A cable briefing President George W. Bush before a visit to Ottawa in late 2004 shed further light on the asymmetrical relationship with Canada — a country, the embassy wrote, that was engaged in “soul-searching” about its “decline from ‘middle power’ status to that of an ‘active observer’ of global affairs, a trend which some Canadians believe should be reversed.”

It also noted that Canadian officials worried that they were being excluded from a club of English-speaking countries as a result of their refusal to take part in the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The United States had created a channel for sharing intelligence related to Iraq operations with Britain and Australia, but Canada was not invited to join.

The Canadian government “has expressed concern at multiple levels that their exclusion from a traditional ‘four-eyes’ construct is ‘punishment’ for Canada’s non-participation in Iraq and they fear that the Iraq-related channel may evolve into a more permanent ‘three-eyes’ only structure,” the cable said.

Four years later, after President Obama’s election, the embassy reported that Canadian officials had a different potential irritant: Mr. Obama was far more popular in Canada than they were.

The embassy also said Mr. Obama’s decision to make Ottawa his first foreign trip as president would “do much to diminish — temporarily, at least — Canada’s habitual inferiority complex vis-à-vis the U.S. and its chronic but accurate complaint that the U.S. pays far less attention to Canada than Canada does to us.”

Still, just a few months earlier, during a national election in Canada, the embassy had marveled that “despite the overwhelming importance of the U.S. to Canada for its economy and security,” parliamentary candidates were rarely mentioning anything about relations with their southern neighbor.

“Ultimately, the U.S. is like the proverbial 900-pound gorilla in the midst of the Canadian federal election: overwhelming but too potentially menacing to acknowledge,” the cable said.


Andrew W. Lehren contributed reporting from New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/world/americas/02wikileaks-canada.html?hp

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It all starting tuh make sense now... now ah see why Dutty and dem does be riding America bamsee so.  I would be pissed too if I was forced tuh wear some skinny yellow tights while Batman rocking de cool muscle costume.

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2010, 07:44:43 AM »

It all starting tuh make sense now... now ah see why Dutty and dem does be riding America bamsee so.  I would be pissed too if I was forced tuh wear some skinny yellow tights while Batman rocking de cool muscle costume.

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Dem fellahs use dat same tired batman and robin cliche with putin and medvedev.....seems to me allyuh have some diplomats with a latent homoerotic fixation on old cartoon characters

Ah bet dey does read the  adventures of gary and ace before bedtime


"the embassy had marveled that “despite the overwhelming importance of the U.S. to Canada for its economy and security,” parliamentary candidates were rarely mentioning anything about relations with their southern neighbor.

oh boo hoo...nobody is talking about us. :'(

ah hadda admit tho, the part about broadcast  entities twisting current events is ironically very amusing.

like santana does say..."anywayhee"


http://www.slate.com/id/2276312/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/12/01/the_state_department_i_never_knew

the comments on the 2nd are um.....
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2010, 11:20:32 AM »

It all starting tuh make sense now... now ah see why Dutty and dem does be riding America bamsee so.  I would be pissed too if I was forced tuh wear some skinny yellow tights while Batman rocking de cool muscle costume.

 :yawning:
Dem fellahs use dat same tired batman and robin cliche with putin and medvedev.....seems to me allyuh have some diplomats with a latent homoerotic fixation on old cartoon characters

Ah bet dey does read the  adventures of gary and ace before bedtime


"the embassy had marveled that “despite the overwhelming importance of the U.S. to Canada for its economy and security,” parliamentary candidates were rarely mentioning anything about relations with their southern neighbor.

oh boo hoo...nobody is talking about us. :'(

ah hadda admit tho, the part about broadcast  entities twisting current events is ironically very amusing.

like santana does say..."anywayhee"


http://www.slate.com/id/2276312/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/12/01/the_state_department_i_never_knew

the comments on the 2nd are um.....

Maybe they's juss fans of de comics?  If yuh seeing ah "homoerotic" insinuation in the Batman and Robin reference then maybe yuh should be asking questions of yuhself.  Ah fraid tuh even aks who is 'Gary and Ace".  Canada is a liberal country, ah sure it have key fuh yuh closet all over de place.

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 12:42:48 PM »
Maybe they's juss fans of de comics?  If yuh seeing ah "homoerotic" insinuation in the Batman and Robin reference then maybe yuh should be asking questions of yuhself.  Ah fraid tuh even aks who is 'Gary and Ace".  Canada is a liberal country, ah sure it have key fuh yuh closet all over de place.

Ace and Gary are the "Ambiguously gay Duo", Bob Smigel characters from TV funhouse on SNL.



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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 01:00:46 PM »
Lorne Michaels, the SNL co-creator and producer is a Canadian.

lol!! JDB with the roundhouse........yuh standards droppin eh?
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 01:56:06 PM »
Ace and Gary are the "Ambiguously gay Duo", Bob Smigel characters from TV funhouse on SNL.



Lorne Michaels, the SNL co-creator and producer is a Canadian.

I was never a fan of SNL... but if Lorne Michaels pushing this "Ambiguously gay" thing no wonder Dutty quick tuh jump on it.  These 'homoerotic' Canadians...

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 09:58:46 PM »
Washington (CNN) -- The British government offered the United States a deal to temporarily store cluster munitions at a military base on its soil, despite having signed a treaty banning such storage, according to a State Department cable published by WikiLeaks.

The proposal was discussed in a May 2009 State Department cable published by the website.

The cable was written after Britain signed on to the Convention on Cluster Munitions -- which bans the use, stockpiling, transfer, and production of cluster munitions -- but before the treaty had been ratified by Parliament. In the cable, a British official suggested it would be better for both governments to withhold the information from Parliament and not reach a final agreement on what the cable described as a '"temporary agreement" until after the treaty was ratified, which did happen.

The reason for this was to avoid "complicating/muddying the debate" by indicating that the request for the United States to remove its cluster munitions by 2013 was "open to exceptions," according to the cable.

Responding to reports concerning the WikiLeaks material, a British Foreign Office spokesman denied the the government misled or failed to inform Parliament but would not elaborate beyond saying, "We condemn leaks of classified information."

But Thomas Nash, coordinator of the Cluster Munition Coalition -- an international network of more than 200 organizations working to ban the use of cluster munitions.-- said, "It's disturbing that the U.S. is seeking to determine British policy on cluster munitions."

"Britain is bound by the Convention on Cluster Munitions and should not be assisting the U.S., or any other country, in using the weapons." Nash said.

Cluster munitions, which break apart in flight to scatter hundreds of smaller bomblets, are described by the International Committee of the Red Cross as a "persistent humanitarian problem."

Most of a device's bomblets are meant to explode on impact, but many do not. Credible estimates show the weapons fail between 10 and 40 percent of the time, leaving civilians at risk of harm from unexploded ordnance, the Red Cross says.

The 2009 cable noted that the exception to the treaty would operate on a "case-by-case temporary storage" basis for specific missions.

Nicolas Pickard and Andrew Ford, two British officials from Britain's Foreign and Commonwealth Office Security Policy Group, confirmed that the concept had been "accepted at the highest levels of the government," noting that the idea had been included in a draft letter from then-British Foreign Minister David Miliband to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

The criteria and timetable for the exception are explained in the 2009 cable.

"Any U.S. cluster munitions currently stores on British territory (either UK territory proper, Diego Garcia, or elsewhere) would be permitted to stay until 2013, while any new cluster munitions the (U.S. government) wanted to bring to those sites after the treaty's entry into force for the UK -- either before or after 2013 -- would require the temporary exception."

Diego Garcia is a British territorial island in the Indian Ocean where the United States has a military base with more than 3,000 military and civilian personnel.

A separate cable from December 2008 reveals that Afghan President Hamid Karzai went back on his assurances to U.S. diplomats in Kabul that he wouldn't sign the treaty. The cable alleges Karzai overruled his own foreign minister at the last minute and signed the treaty, "without prior consultation from the (U.S. government) or other key states engaged in operations in Afghanistan."

The United States did not sign the treaty because "cluster munitions continue to have military utility." The 2008 cable, signed by then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, also said, "We believe that the elimination of cluster munitions from our stockpiles would put the lives of our soldiers and those of our coalition partners at risk."

Despite Afghanistan's signing of the treaty, the United States said it will not lead to automatic restrictions for military forces in the country. The 2008 cable cites Article 21 of the treaty, which would provide enough flexibility for non-signatory countries like the United States to continue to operate with countries who have signed the treaty.

The U.S. interpretation of the article also allows for "transit of cluster munitions through the territory of a State Party, and storage and use of cluster munitions on the territory of a State Party," according to the cable.

The cable points out that "many of our NATO Allies and other key partners share this interpretation."

The cable also points out that the United States is working to address the humanitarian impact of unexploded cluster munitions. It points out to a 2008 Pentagon policy signed by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates that U.S. forces would only use cluster munitions that, after arming, would result in a maximum of 1 percent unexploded ordnance by 2018.

It also notes that the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development continue their work in protecting civilians from unexploded cluster munitions, and that the United States has provided nearly $167.5 million in funding for munitions clearance and victims assistance programs in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has signed the cluster munitions treaty but has not yet ratified it, according to the Cluster Munition Coalition.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/12/02/us.britain.munitions/

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2010, 02:42:47 AM »
The whole thing sounds dodgy to me....one can only speculate as to why the US allowed this info to be released

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2010, 07:44:47 AM »
i cant take credit for the following, but I thought it apt.

"Canadians' supposed inferiority complex is all relative. In reality it is the US that tend to have an overinflated view of themselves. Therefore, relatively speaking, they are correct".  Gaston Goulet, Gatineau, Que in a leter to the Editor, National Post
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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2010, 09:07:48 AM »
The whole thing sounds dodgy to me....one can only speculate as to why the US allowed this info to be released

How did they "allow" this to be released?  What they was supposed to do bomb the Wikileaks server?

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Re: Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2010, 01:30:27 PM »
As Ron Paul told Fox News today:

“In a free society we're supposed to know the truth,” Paul said. “In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.”

Why crucify Assange? Because he is broadcasting
the truth?

What if he were to get his hands on the communiques
to and from FIFA? Would it be bad if he put it out there
for everyone to see? I certainly would like to know what
went down yesterday.

Oh, and what happens when he throws out the e-mails
from the 'big US bank'?
Is it going to be bad when we all find out how the big
banks in the US have brought the world's economies
to their knees?

 

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