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ONE KICK…..ENDS 2010 WORLD CUP DREAM???----
« on: July 01, 2009, 07:13:39 AM »
SPORTS: DANCING BRAVE COLUMN FOR MONDAY  29TH JUNE, 2009

By Andre E Baptiste

One Kick, One Kick …..that is all it takes to win a football match.

For Trinidad and Tobago’s Soca Warriors, it seems as if this One Kick may cost us an opportunity to enjoy a return to the World Cup Finals (South Africa 2010), after Germany 2006’s historic experiences.

The Month was February , Carnival was a few days away and all of Trinidad and Tobago was about to explode, as Trinidad and Tobago led El Salvador by 2-0 at half time in the cauldron that is El Salvador’s football stadium.

When in the second half, Trinidad and Tobago were awarded a penalty, most of this country were already celebrating 3-0 and some among us were already considering, how would we pay for our adventure to South Africa with the Soca Warriors.

Stern John though , and not Dwight Yorke ( who coincidentally had scored the penalty in the first half when Stern John was brought down in the penalty areas) stepped forward to kick this our second penalty on the night .

There was no reaction from the Trinidad and Tobago coaching staff. They all appeared to sit or stand by and await the inevitable goal. It did not seem to matter that Yorke was the designated penalty taker according to the team’s practice sessions.

What Happened next, will remain with me and several hundred thousands persons in this country and elsewhere.

Stern John ran up to the ball and blazed his kick over the bar.

Let me just repeat this please, Stern John , Trinidad and Tobago’s all time leading goals corer , ran up to the ball and blazed his kick over the bar.

 One last time , if you readers will permit , Stern John who has been out of form with his club in England , but is still Trinidad and Tobago’s Leading goals corer , ran up to the ball and blazed his kick over the bar.

When Stern John turned and looked his captain Dwight Yorke in the eyes, there was a sense that even their close friendship could be tested here. By the end of the night, Trinidad and Tobago did well to hold off El Salvador and earn a draw (2-2) and one point.

However, this is where it all went wrong, because that one point should have been three points and would have been the perfect start to the campaign. Instead on the night , that ONE KICK not only cost us three points , but it also caused Yorke to become so upset that after the match was blown off , he said something to the referee and was given a red card. Yorke was to then miss our next two matches. A lackluster home draw to Honduras and comprehensive whipping from the USA.

Two other defeats since to Costa Rica and Mexico meant that at the halfway stage in this ten match series, Trinidad and Tobago is pegged to the bottom of the six team group with only two points.

Now, do you all understand, what a difference those first THREE points would have made in not only the players minds but our position on the table...

So what can be done?

The Football Federation finally parted company with Francisco Maturanna and some of his team and belatedly handed over the reins to Russell Latapy, but even he could not stop us from losing ground on the other teams.

We played positively against Costa Rica, but were short in quality in midfield and defence. In Mexico we were woeful and were it not for Clayton Ince’s heroics in goal, we would have been trounced.

Latapy’s has a task, which even Mandrake the magician would have trouble convincing his followers despite someone placing Merlin the sorcerer at his side. So this time around, the little Magician only has his aging friend Yorke at his side. And aging has become the nom de plume of our current soca warriors’ football team.

Perhaps, that ONE KICK school lesson is still to be convincingly taught. Friendship and sports are not bedfellows..

It is already late in our campaign and maybe that is why Austin Jack Warner seems to have changed his mood and opinion. He is no longer as optimistic as he was four years ago in 2005, when we were in a similar position and Leo Beenhaker was brought to our shores. Warner was always confident then of our qualification.

These days, Warner appears to have resigned himself to the fact that qualification for South Africa looks slim and very difficult and that in itself is probably why it appears to a lot of persons we are just going through the motions, with not much preparations being put into place for the reaming five matches.

If indeed that is the case , now is the best time to allow some exposure to our younger players and to say a courteous goodbye to those elderly statesmen still walking ( rather than running) the curbs of our football.

Latapy needs support otherwise, he may decide it is better to pack it in and look elsewhere for a coaching role. Falkirk , his former club are looking for a new manager , so let us be careful in assuming that Latapy craves this job so much , that he will accept anything that he is given, just so others can say , “ Another local coach , has failed at the international level.”.

So as we look ahead to August 12th and El Salvador, one can only imagine, what a difference six months makes in football and also hope that Stern John’s great footballing achievements for this

Country will not be tarnished by the now infamous – One Kick-.

Remember , just as in 2005 , our last game is against Mexico at home , but this time unlike 2005 , Mexico are struggling for survival, so will most likely send their best team.

Oh for another chance to revisit that ONE KICK….I know what I would do , I would let…….take it.

 

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Re: ONE KICK…..ENDS 2010 WORLD CUP DREAM???----
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 07:37:26 AM »

Oh for another chance to revisit that ONE KICK….I know what I would do , I would let…….take it.




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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 07:38:07 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 07:43:20 AM »
Hark! Yonder! What doth my eye spy? Comess abreweth!!

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 08:13:43 AM »
Hark! Yonder! What doth my eye spy? Comess abreweth!!


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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 08:33:07 AM »
well it might be a blessing cuz we mighta still have maturana and playin de cobo brand forever.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 09:12:06 AM »

Oh for another chance to revisit that ONE KICK….I know what I would do , I would let…….take it.



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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 10:11:15 AM »
Hark! Yonder! What doth my eye spy? Comess abreweth!!

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 10:30:27 AM »
 I stopped reading after,

"However, this is where it all went wrong, because that one point should have been three points and would have been the perfect start to the campaign. Instead on the night , that ONE KICK not only cost us three points , but it also caused Yorke to become so upset that after the match was blown off ..."

I hold no brief for the man as I can't count the number of times I well cuss him directly and indirectly but to my mind Stern is/was a good scapegoat for the outcome of that game. Never mind the many other missed chances from several culprits throughout that game and never mind the lack of fitness of the entire team that allowed the El Salvadoreans back into the game in the last quarter. Yes, if that penalty had scored there would have been no way back for the ES as their morale would have sunk irretreivably lower as it was already on the brink and the fact that it was missed gave them some hope and they built from there, but if any of the other chances were taken then that penalty would have been moot.

The other thing that galls me about this is the attempt to bring Yorkie's intemperate and ill advised remonstrations to the referee and his subsequent exclusion in the following wcq's as a direct result of the missed penalty. How retarded is that??!!? Are we to believe that Yorke , as town say, cuss the referee because his teammate missed a penalty that the same refereee awarded? That the 'cussing' had nothing to do with the unabated and unaddressed barrage of missiles thrown on the field throughout the game and/or the extra time that materialised out of thin air?

While I thought Disgruntled's homage was hysterical, I don't have time with the Stern bashing in this case and I definitely don't have time for Errol Andre Baptiste's pettiness.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 10:47:16 AM »
The part of the article blaming Stern John for our world cup qualifying woes is bullshit.  What about the sitters that Jason Scotland and Trent Noel missed against Costa Rica.  Or how about the woeful defending by our central defenders in the same match.  Or what about Jan Michael Williams parrying a shot straight back to a Honduran player that led to Carlos Pavon's goal.

There is plenty blame to share for our position right now, starting wid Jack and de blacklist, firing Wim and plenty more.  Apart from that missed penalty Stern John has been one of our best performers so far in the hex.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 10:51:55 AM »
The part of the article blaming Stern John for our world cup qualifying woes is bullshit.  What about the sitters that Jason Scotland and Trent Noel missed against Costa Rica.  Or how about the woeful defending by our central defenders in the same match.  Or what about Jan Michael Williams parrying a shot straight back to a Honduran player that led to Carlos Pavon's goal.

There is plenty blame to share for our position right now, starting wid Jack and de blacklist, firing Wim and plenty more.  Apart from that missed penalty Stern John has been one of our best performers so far in the hex.


D man just sayin dat it strted wit dat 1 kick.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 11:03:43 AM »
The part of the article blaming Stern John for our world cup qualifying woes is bullshit.  What about the sitters that Jason Scotland and Trent Noel missed against Costa Rica.  Or how about the woeful defending by our central defenders in the same match.  Or what about Jan Michael Williams parrying a shot straight back to a Honduran player that led to Carlos Pavon's goal.

There is plenty blame to share for our position right now, starting wid Jack and de blacklist, firing Wim and plenty more.  Apart from that missed penalty Stern John has been one of our best performers so far in the hex.


While I agree with you that it have plenty blame to go round... WCQ is about momentum and we stall right dey....

... but who is to say anybody else woulda score that penalty... lewee move on yes
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 11:07:40 AM »
The part of the article blaming Stern John for our world cup qualifying woes is bullshit.  What about the sitters that Jason Scotland and Trent Noel missed against Costa Rica.  Or how about the woeful defending by our central defenders in the same match.  Or what about Jan Michael Williams parrying a shot straight back to a Honduran player that led to Carlos Pavon's goal.

There is plenty blame to share for our position right now, starting wid Jack and de blacklist, firing Wim and plenty more.  Apart from that missed penalty Stern John has been one of our best performers so far in the hex.


While I agree with you that it have plenty blame to go round... WCQ is about momentum and we stall right dey....
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 12:03:46 PM »
SPORTS: DANCING BRAVE COLUMN FOR MONDAY  29TH JUNE, 2009

By Andre E Baptiste

One Kick, One Kick …..that is all it takes to win a football match.

For Trinidad and Tobago’s Soca Warriors, it seems as if this One Kick may cost us an opportunity to enjoy a return to the World Cup Finals (South Africa 2010), after Germany 2006’s historic experiences.

The Month was February , Carnival was a few days away and all of Trinidad and Tobago was about to explode, as Trinidad and Tobago led El Salvador by 2-0 at half time in the cauldron that is El Salvador’s football stadium.

When in the second half, Trinidad and Tobago were awarded a penalty, most of this country were already celebrating 3-0 and some among us were already considering, how would we pay for our adventure to South Africa with the Soca Warriors.

Stern John though , and not Dwight Yorke ( who coincidentally had scored the penalty in the first half when Stern John was brought down in the penalty areas) stepped forward to kick this our second penalty on the night .

There was no reaction from the Trinidad and Tobago coaching staff. They all appeared to sit or stand by and await the inevitable goal. It did not seem to matter that Yorke was the designated penalty taker according to the team’s practice sessions.

What Happened next, will remain with me and several hundred thousands persons in this country and elsewhere.

Stern John ran up to the ball and blazed his kick over the bar.

Let me just repeat this please, Stern John , Trinidad and Tobago’s all time leading goals corer , ran up to the ball and blazed his kick over the bar.

 One last time , if you readers will permit , Stern John who has been out of form with his club in England , but is still Trinidad and Tobago’s Leading goals corer , ran up to the ball and blazed his kick over the bar.

When Stern John turned and looked his captain Dwight Yorke in the eyes, there was a sense that even their close friendship could be tested here. By the end of the night, Trinidad and Tobago did well to hold off El Salvador and earn a draw (2-2) and one point.

However, this is where it all went wrong, because that one point should have been three points and would have been the perfect start to the campaign. Instead on the night , that ONE KICK not only cost us three points , but it also caused Yorke to become so upset that after the match was blown off , he said something to the referee and was given a red card. Yorke was to then miss our next two matches. A lackluster home draw to Honduras and comprehensive whipping from the USA.

Two other defeats since to Costa Rica and Mexico meant that at the halfway stage in this ten match series, Trinidad and Tobago is pegged to the bottom of the six team group with only two points.

Now, do you all understand, what a difference those first THREE points would have made in not only the players minds but our position on the table...

So what can be done?

The Football Federation finally parted company with Francisco Maturanna and some of his team and belatedly handed over the reins to Russell Latapy, but even he could not stop us from losing ground on the other teams.

We played positively against Costa Rica, but were short in quality in midfield and defence. In Mexico we were woeful and were it not for Clayton Ince’s heroics in goal, we would have been trounced.

Latapy’s has a task, which even Mandrake the magician would have trouble convincing his followers despite someone placing Merlin the sorcerer at his side. So this time around, the little Magician only has his aging friend Yorke at his side. And aging has become the nom de plume of our current soca warriors’ football team.

Perhaps, that ONE KICK school lesson is still to be convincingly taught. Friendship and sports are not bedfellows..

It is already late in our campaign and maybe that is why Austin Jack Warner seems to have changed his mood and opinion. He is no longer as optimistic as he was four years ago in 2005, when we were in a similar position and Leo Beenhaker was brought to our shores. Warner was always confident then of our qualification.

These days, Warner appears to have resigned himself to the fact that qualification for South Africa looks slim and very difficult and that in itself is probably why it appears to a lot of persons we are just going through the motions, with not much preparations being put into place for the reaming five matches.

If indeed that is the case , now is the best time to allow some exposure to our younger players and to say a courteous goodbye to those elderly statesmen still walking ( rather than running) the curbs of our football.

Latapy needs support otherwise, he may decide it is better to pack it in and look elsewhere for a coaching role. Falkirk , his former club are looking for a new manager , so let us be careful in assuming that Latapy craves this job so much , that he will accept anything that he is given, just so others can say , “ Another local coach , has failed at the international level.”.

So as we look ahead to August 12th and El Salvador, one can only imagine, what a difference six months makes in football and also hope that Stern John’s great footballing achievements for this

Country will not be tarnished by the now infamous – One Kick-.

Remember , just as in 2005 , our last game is against Mexico at home , but this time unlike 2005 , Mexico are struggling for survival, so will most likely send their best team.

Oh for another chance to revisit that ONE KICK….I know what I would do , I would let…….take it.

 

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Re: ONE KICK…..ENDS 2010 WORLD CUP DREAM???----
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 01:05:56 PM »
never mind the fact that the team give up 2 goals with 10 minutes to go.

I wonder if Stern does get all the credit for knocking out Bermuda.

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 01:10:24 PM »
Mods should delete this article ... plenty big players does miss penalty ... thats part of the game!  Me ent no SJ fan but we need to move on ... jmho

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 02:31:22 PM »
well it might be a blessing cuz we mighta still have maturana and playin de cobo brand forever.
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2009, 03:08:10 PM »
well it might be a blessing cuz we mighta still have maturana and playin de cobo brand forever.
Hey kounty buller yuh know yuh right! :devil: :justkidding:, but the way i look @ it? catch 22! it's bitter sweet, we won we kept pancho, we loss we got rid! i think i like the last option better.              positive.
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2009, 03:15:23 PM »
guess it was a slow news day 
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2009, 04:01:04 PM »
When people have these kinds of thoughts/views they should keep it to themselves,it have so much things going on in T&T Football and a man find time to write this kind of crap and on top of that get paid for it,these guys does glad when things not going good with Football because they will have nothing to write,most of them don't know what they talking about,they just listening to man on the street talk shyt and reporting it.

Any of them ever play Football,know what it is to be an international footballer,know how it feels to represent your people,these guys represents us not themselves and deserve better than that,it have man represent they country and still get shot,when this kind of hate and dislike going to stop,if you don't like how someone plays it simple,just don't pay your money and go to Football.

Anybody around T&T Football for years by now should know what to expect from our administration,technical staffs,Coaches,players,national teams etc etc why are we raising our blood pressure before and after every game,our players need support and encouragement not the harsh treatment metted out to them game after game after game win or loose,i don't think they deserve it.It's easy to sit at home or in the stadium and say a man playing shyt,the hardest thing for any Footballer is to please fans,demoralizing the team/players does not make them play better,i believe in constructive criticism but praise must be given when ever it's due.

       

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2009, 04:35:20 PM »
I don't think there's a single T&T football supporter who HASN'T wondered to themself "what if that penalty was scored, where would our WCQ campaign be now?"

That's the gist of the message Andre Baptiste is delivering IMO.

Yes we have to move on

Yes there is no guarantee somebody else would have scored

Yes we have no control over these things.

But he's expressing what every one of us has felt at one time or the other and maybe still ask to this day.

No matter how you look at it, the decision making that went into who took the penalty was WRONG.  From coach to players.  Flat out WRONG!  And it cost us...BIG TIME!
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2009, 04:46:47 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2009, 04:55:15 PM »
I don't think there's a single T&T football supporter who HASN'T wondered to themself "what if that penalty was scored, where would our WCQ campaign be now?"

That's the gist of the message Andre Baptiste is delivering IMO.

Yes we have to move on

Yes there is no guarantee somebody else would have scored

Yes we have no control over these things.

But he's expressing what every one of us has felt at one time or the other and maybe still ask to this day.

No matter how you look at it, the decision making that went into who took the penalty was WRONG.  From coach to players.  Flat out WRONG!  And it cost us...BIG TIME!

I agree Palos..as i was one of those who still asks that...

HOWEVER..i do not blame stern john for the lost points in that game

we gave up two goals in the last ten minutes.. after dominating the first 75
after stern missed the penalty..we created many more chances...one of which stern missed...and we converted none..then we made two defensive mistakes and gave up two points...

stern was blamed...maturana was blamed..then fired
and ultimately the same problems are there..

we miss crucial ( and fairly decent if not simple) chances..and give up soft goals...tha's how it's been the entire campaign..from Bermuda straight up to the Costa Rica game..

then we point fingers at (in most cases) the wrong person...and FIX nothing..

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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2009, 04:59:52 PM »
I still have a very clear memory of that game and regardless of the scoreline at the end, El Salvador was tearing apart our defense.  If anyone was unlucky in that game it was El Salvador.  Dis past weekend, USA was up 2:0 and was lucky in the end that the final score was 4:2, sorry 3:2.  Shyt happens.

As for when this World Cup wagon train got derailed, it was not with the mis"kick" by Stern but the "kick"out of Wim by Jack.

Time to move on.  Five games to go and we need victories.

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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2009, 05:06:24 PM »
I still have a very clear memory of that game and regardless of the scoreline at the end, El Salvador was tearing apart our defense.  If anyone was unlucky in that game it was El Salvador.  Dis past weekend, USA was up 2:0 and was lucky in the end that the final score was 4:2, sorry 3:2.  Shyt happens.

As for when this World Cup wagon train got derailed, it was not with the mis"kick" by Stern but the "kick"out of Wim by Jack.

Time to move on.  Five games to go and we need victories.

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u judging by memory??..i judging by the video of the game I have..we created far more clear cut chances than el salvador in that game..i watched it over and was surprised how often we could put that side away...
but i agree wit u the firing of wim was more of and off setter than stern penalty miss...

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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2009, 05:09:16 PM »
I don't think there's a single T&T football supporter who HASN'T wondered to themself "what if that penalty was scored, where would our WCQ campaign be now?"

That's the gist of the message Andre Baptiste is delivering IMO.

Yes we have to move on

Yes there is no guarantee somebody else would have scored

Yes we have no control over these things.

But he's expressing what every one of us has felt at one time or the other and maybe still ask to this day.

No matter how you look at it, the decision making that went into who took the penalty was WRONG.  From coach to players.  Flat out WRONG!  And it cost us...BIG TIME!

I agree Palos..as i was one of those who still asks that...

HOWEVER..i do not blame stern john for the lost points in that game

we gave up two goals in the last ten minutes.. after dominating the first 75
after stern missed the penalty..we created many more chances...one of which stern missed...and we converted none..then we made two defensive mistakes and gave up two points...

stern was blamed...maturana was blamed..then fired
and ultimately the same problems are there..

we miss crucial ( and fairly decent if not simple) chances..and give up soft goals...tha's how it's been the entire campaign..from Bermuda straight up to the Costa Rica game..

then we point fingers at (in most cases) the wrong person...and FIX nothing..


Breds...not a single one of those chances we created afterwards were as clear cut as the penalty.

I'm NOT blaming Stern John.  I'm blaming the decision making that went into allowing him to take the penalty when the player who had scored the first penalty was still on the field.

Who knows how the game would have ended up had we scored that penalty?  Perhaps the Slavadoreans would have been so incensed that they may have put 6 past us without reply.  The likelihood of that happening however is remote at best.  Instead, in all probability, that would have buried them right there and then.  As it is, that penalty miss gave them LIFE and it cost us AT LEAST 2 points, not to mention the momentum of starting off the campaign with a victory away from home.

That was a major turning point in this campaign.  One from which we are unlikely to recover at this point.

As for those who talkin about Wim firing was more of a turning point, that is even more speculation than had that penalty been scored.  No one is to know if Wim would have qualified us for the Hex.  And I am one of those that felt he should not have been fired and that he is a good coach. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2009, 05:11:56 PM »
I don't think there's a single T&T football supporter who HASN'T wondered to themself "what if that penalty was scored, where would our WCQ campaign be now?"

That's the gist of the message Andre Baptiste is delivering IMO.

Yes we have to move on

Yes there is no guarantee somebody else would have scored

Yes we have no control over these things.

But he's expressing what every one of us has felt at one time or the other and maybe still ask to this day.

No matter how you look at it, the decision making that went into who took the penalty was WRONG.  From coach to players.  Flat out WRONG!  And it cost us...BIG TIME!

I agree Palos..as i was one of those who still asks that...

HOWEVER..i do not blame stern john for the lost points in that game

we gave up two goals in the last ten minutes.. after dominating the first 75
after stern missed the penalty..we created many more chances...one of which stern missed...and we converted none..then we made two defensive mistakes and gave up two points...

stern was blamed...maturana was blamed..then fired
and ultimately the same problems are there..

we miss crucial ( and fairly decent if not simple) chances..and give up soft goals...tha's how it's been the entire campaign..from Bermuda straight up to the Costa Rica game..

then we point fingers at (in most cases) the wrong person...and FIX nothing..


Breds...not a single one of those chances we created afterwards were as clear cut as the penalty.

I'm NOT blaming Stern John.  I'm blaming the decision making that went into allowing him to take the penalty when the player who had scored the first penalty was still on the field.

Who knows how the game would have ended up had we scored that penalty?  Perhaps the Slavadoreans would have been so incensed that they may have put 6 past us without reply.  The likelihood of that happening however is remote at best.  Instead, in all probability, that would have buried them right there and then.  As it is, that penalty miss gave them LIFE and it cost us AT LEAST 2 points, not to mention the momentum of starting off the campaign with a victory away from home.

That was a major turning point in this campaign.  One from which we are unlikely to recover at this point.

As for those who talkin about Wim firing was more of a turning point, that is even more speculation than had that penalty been scored.  No one is to know if Wim would have qualified us for the Hex.  And I am one of those that felt he should not have been fired and that he is a good coach. 

Scene..I agree

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Re: ONE KICK…..ENDS 2010 WORLD CUP DREAM???----
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2009, 05:15:38 PM »
As for those who talkin about Wim firing was more of a turning point, that is even more speculation than had that penalty been scored.  No one is to know if Wim would have qualified us for the Hex.  And I am one of those that felt he should not have been fired and that he is a good coach. 

We are saying de same thing really - We will never know how things would have been had we not fired Wim or secured 3 points on the road at the start of the campaign.

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Re: ONE KICK…..ENDS 2010 WORLD CUP DREAM???----
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2009, 05:36:29 PM »
We are saying de same thing really - We will never know how things would have been had we not fired Wim or secured 3 points on the road at the start of the campaign.

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