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Title: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: E-man on January 03, 2006, 03:31:47 PM
Warner's Address - A response to the allegations.
By: Shaun Fuentes.


The following is the full address as presented by Jack Warner in response to allegations made against him and his family during a three-part series in the Trinidad Express on december 25, 26 and 7, 2005. The Media Conference was held on Tuesday January 3, 2006 at the Crowne Plaza, Port of Spain.

Members of the media, friends and colleagues, today I was supposed to have been in London for part of the critical preparations required for our national football team’s appearance at the World Cup. Instead I find myself here before you to defend my good name and that of my family against the mischief and character assassination scribed by Lasana Liburd in a series of libelous articles which appeared in the Express newspapers, beginning on the front page of that paper on Christmas Day.

I believe that the three-part series which was published over the Christmas weekend is part of a well timed, carefully orchestrated character assassination, designed to devalue any political currency which opponents of the UNC feel I might have been developing as a result of the Soca Warriors World Cup qualification alongside my own efforts within the United National Congress to unify the party and country.

In response, I have held lengthy discussions with my attorneys, family and members of the UNC. It was generally felt that it was sufficient to expose the story for what it is rather than to perpetuate its agenda by a law suit in the light of gross misrepresentations and inaccuracies even though I unreservedly withhold the right to do so at anytime.

The intention of the articles is to change the reference point of Jack Warner in the minds of the public, or more importantly, the electorate. It was designed to sully the Warner name and to reframe the recent achievements I have yearned and struggled for over many years in the football arena and which the national community embraced in a way that even Patrick Manning had to admit “brought people together like no politician had hitherto been able to do”.

This was not my doing of course but the result of the wave of nationalism inspired by the Soca Warriors’ huge, historic efforts on the football field. But my close involvement with the team and sport over the years and that of the politics, presented for the ruling party an untimely, and unwelcome national acknowledgement of Jack Warner that had to be stopped at all costs, by any means necessary.

You might have noticed that at the last Annual Convention of the PNM Patrick Manning devoted considerable time in attacking Jack Warner and Winston Dookeran. In fact, not a syllable of criticism was made of our feisty Opposition Leader, Basdeo Panday. The easier way to get at Panday and the UNC was to launch “Operation Get Warner.”

It is unfortunate that the way politics is conducted there are no sacred cows when it comes to advancing one’s cause, however twisted and destructive that may be. How, I ask myself, can we have taken one of the most euphoric moments to have occurred in our country’s history, one which can become a catalyst for meaningful and lasting change in the way people see themselves, each other and their birthplace, and seek to dismantle it all only to serve selfish, petty, parochial political interests?

This is not to say that an attack on me is an attack on the achievements of our national football side but you must admit that I humbly and unreservedly share in the success of Trinidad and Tobago’s World Cup qualification and to impute that there were selfish and improper motives designed for personal gain to the dedicated efforts and sacrifices I have made over two decades, is to steal the sweet moment of victory not from Jack Warner alone but from the people who worked so hard and tirelessly to deliver it while others stood by on the sidelines doing exactly what we see and hear today in those malignant articles.

You will have noticed that I have not even begun to deal with Mr. Liburd’s fabrications and inaccuracies. That is easy to do and I will do so point by point but I refuse to begin without placing his articles in their proper context.

Let us not get carried away by treating this venomous, vitriolic personal attack with a clear political agenda as being nothing more than that. I will unmask what poses to be a piece of investigative journalism for just what it happens to be, so before we address the specific obvious points of departure between truth and fabrication, let us return to the real author and the broader political context.

If I came here today to announce a law suit, that would have been the lead story and the headline serving only the agenda of the PNM by perpetuating the lies, and feeding the monster. If I came here only to refute Mr. Liburd’s story the headline would have been: “Jack defends himself against allegations”. I hope that you will, by the end of this news conference, not only be able to report the truth but to expose the plot hatched by my political opponents and those of the UNC which they have in fact named “Operation Get Warner: A prelude to the General Elections of 2006.”

Unfortunately, I cannot divulge the source of my information for it would expose someone whose membership within the PNM did not override his sense of moral obligation to unmask the hideous scheme and to warn me about it even before the articles appeared.   

It should not surprise us that these people would go to such lengths to hold on to power. You will recall in the midst of the last general election, when Patrick Manning sat with so-called community leaders to negotiate a so-called truce on crime, he had promised some state lands at the time and after the public outcry had to withdraw the offer. The so-called community leaders then campaigned openly for the PNM, mounting political platforms of their own and threatening UNC voters. After the general elections with billions of your dollars flowing into CEPEP and URP programmes, gangs began fighting for the turf. It was payback time and we had suddenly become like Jamaica where gangs are involved in the political scene.

Today, as much as the Prime Minister postures before the public that he is serious about attacking the crime problem, there is an obvious lack of political will because certain nefarious elements will once again be needed to achieve the political ends of the ruling party come election time.

What has all this got to do with the attack on Jack Warner? It has everything to do with it, because it is football they see as the great unifying force across the country and that spells doom for the insular and inept ruling party that has over the past few years led our great, beloved country to ruin.

Many people have even expressed the view that the World Cup qualification of the nation has helped in some way, even temporarily, to ease the tension of the scourge of crime sweeping the country. And all of this would have been very useful to the PNM had it not been for the Jack Warner/UNC connection to the event.

United as a people we can also now turn our attention to the real problem in the country – that of how the PNM’s connections with certain elements and its funding of gangs through misdirected funds from the CEPEP and URP have produced the tsunami wave of crime.

And so, that is the political context of the series of articles which appeared in the Express newspapers over three days and given front page coverage. Now that I hopefully have been able to explain the real objective of the stories, I can go on to refute certain key points in Mr. Liburd’s fabrications (and I must admit Liburd is appropriately named.)
Lie - burd

Credit must be given to Mr. Liburd for demonstrating that he is both a mathematical genius and an inventor of facts. In his magical script more apt for the Warner Bros. Studios than the Warner family, Mr. Liburd estimates that the local Warners will rake in a cool fifty million dollars in revenue from World Cup ticket sales alone! Apart from his illogical calculations, this unrepentant and inveterate liar has even outdone himself in that no application for World Cup tickets of any kind has been submitted yet to FIFA by the TTFF or me!!!

As a consequence, no World Cup tickets of any category or price has been assigned to Simpaul’s or to any other organization and/or person in Trinidad and Tobago or the TTFF and I wish to repeat that no application has yet been made to FIFA for World Cup tickets of any kind or any category nor has any been assigned to Simpaul’s Travel Service.

At this point in time, no one in T&T really knows (except perhaps a creature called Liburd,) who in T&T will get World Cup tickets, what quantity they will receive or the criteria which will be used in the determination of ticket allocation.  In the absence of all this information, including the cost of tickets, only a Liburd can arrive at any kind of tally much less the gigantic proportions he sensationally manufactures.

Several persons and/or organizations have submitted requests for tickets including but not limited to a Government Ministry; a quasi-Public organization, private companies, and others. But the fact is that no decision has been made on the ticket allocation for T&T fans and no official or other responses on the number of tickets to be allocated have been made to these requests.

Mr. Liburd’s irresponsible statements and falsehoods are a clear departure from the truth but they arrive in dangerous times when such comments jeopardize the safety and security of my family. And in the context of what is happening in the country today I have raised my concerns about the protection of both my family and myself with the Commissioner of Police and have made a formal request of him for police protection.

Warner Group of Companies (WGOC)

Let me say unequivocally, that I make no apologies for the business interests of the Warner Group of Companies. It is not a crime to be successful even for people like me, but no one should attempt to impute improper business practices and conflicts of interest to me when the reality has been that I have given selflessly to the cause of Football and the aspiration of the nation’s interest in this area. It is easy to make an allegation with the intent of creating doubts in the minds of people but it is quite another task to establish an irrefutable truth.

Consider the following facts and ask yourself how you would feel if you were Jack Warner in light of the dark purpose of these articles:-

1. All monies received by me were put back into local football.

2. By the end of 2004, the total sum of indebtedness by the TTFF to me is $17 million dollars (TT). This figure does not include the amount of my personal funds which were expended in preparing Trinidad and Tobago for the World Cup Tournament.

3. Over the years I have paid up a significant part of the TTFF’s debt with the exception of $827,000 which is owed to Simpaul’s Travel since 2001. In fact, many of the arrangements made with companies such as Simpaul’s with which I have an interest have been to the benefit of the TTFF and to my own disfavour because of non-payment by the TTFF. To the contrary, Mr. Liburd’s article suggests that businesses owned by the Warner Group, specifically Emerald Plaza Hotel & Apartments and D’Coal Pot restaurant benefit significantly from football. But quite the opposite is true.

4.  The records show that the earnings of these organizations have suffered because of the subsidized rates which I insist they charge for the services provided and for which the TTFF has not been paying. At this point in time the Football Federation owes these two entities well over half a million dollars.

5. I recently paid a debt of the TTFF amounting to $1.7 million which was owed to CMB – Collier, Morrison and Belgrave of 13 Rust St., St. Clair.  Ask Ian Collier, himself.

6. An additional sum of some $3 million dollars of a $5 million dollar loan owed by the TTFF to Republic Bank was paid by me and the balance of $2 million dollars was due by December 31st 2005.  Ask the Branch Manager of Republic Bank, Long Circular Mall.

7. I have never at any time made any demands on the TTFF to make a repayment of the sums of money outstanding to me or to Simpaul’s.

Simpaul’s Travel

1. Simpaul’s Travel was purchased by the Warner family some 10 years ago.  At the time the Football Federation owed Simpaul’s over two hundred thousand dollars, which sum I paid.

2. Since 1992, Simpaul’s Travel has been the official travel agency of the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation and since then the Football Federation has owed Simpaul’s tremendous sums of money, the last being $827,000 in 2001 and which remains unpaid to date.

3. Simpaul’s has been the official tour operator for the T&TFF since the 1994 World Cup Final, when it paid to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation a sum of twenty-five thousand dollars for that facility.  This was increased to fifty-thousand dollars for the 1998 World Cup Final, one hundred thousand dollars for the 2002 World Cup Final and five hundred thousand for the 2006 World Cup Final, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, in cash and two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in kind. 

4. In August 2005, based on the usually exclusive status given to Simpaul’s by the Football Federation, certain tour packages were arranged with another European counterpart for which the following fees were paid:

19TH July 2005 – 26,532Euros
19th August 2005 – 172,800 Euros
26th August 2005 – 106,560 Euros
17th September 2005 – 280,800 Euros

All of the above referenced payments were made before T&T had even dreamed of qualifying and copies of the various receipts are here today for your perusal!!! Several other payments have since been made.

Where were Liburd and his friends then?

When the Warner family had to mortgage the family house for local football’s survival in the 1980s, where were Liburd and his friends?

During this qualifying campaign when T&T had played three matches and had only one point, where were Liburd and his friends?

When Beenhakker and a new staff were then employed at US $100,000 per month (the same cost for the monthly rental of Blimp 2), where were Liburd and his friends?

When CONCACAF had only one team qualifying for a World Cup Tournament and we came second; then CONCACAF got two qualifying teams and we came third; then CONCACAF had three qualifying teams and we came fourth and I continued to lobby the FIFA for an extra place and CONCACAF received 31/2   spots, where were Liburd and his friends then?

Even as we launched 2010 World Cup programme at the Marvin Lee Stadium last Wednesday (Dec 28th 05), where were Liburd and his friends? Or are they waiting until we qualify for 2010 and then to do another article and another hustle?

Why have there never been similar outbursts about tickets for the Olympics or the Hockey World Cup? Graphix Advantage has been given exclusive rights to produce 11 different types of memorabilia for the Soca Warriors ranging from sun visors to pencils, for which the firm has paid $400,000, why is there no outburst against them or against Busta for their exclusive status or Carib or even TSTT ?

But I prefer not to ask more questions at this stage, and now…

Who is this man Liburd?

Apart from the fact that he attended Arima Government Secondary School where his Principal and Vice Principal were both Warners (how he must hate that name today) what is his claim to fame?

Apart from his boast that he was the CCN reporter who was taken to London to report on the Privy Counsel matter between Ken Gordon and Basdeo Panday, who is he?

Apart from the fact that he has been consistently refused accreditation to the World Cup Qualifying matches in T&T, who is he?

Apart from the fact that he is working against his employers, the CCN Group acquiring the broadcast rights for the World Cup in 2010, who is he? In 1994 I obtained the local TV rights for WC for the princely sum of $1USD and sold it to TV6 for $250,000 USD which sum went towards the development of football in the TTFF. The same was done in 1998, 2002 and 2006 with increases in each case. Liburd continues to make this an issue and I can give him only one assurance today and that is that I will review the sale of these rights to his employers for the 2010 World Cup.

So again, I ask the question, “Who is Liburd, what is his claim to fame?”

If his claim to fame in the man is to bring down Jack Warner or to take away any “honour” that may be bestowed upon me, then let him think again.

The greatest honour for me is not the “Individual of the Year Award” or “Sports Administrator of the Year Award” or, in fact, any Award of any kind. These are, of course, appreciated.  The greatest honour for me is not a title.  The greatest honour for me is when the man on the street, from all walks of life, greets me and genuinely, from the heart says “Thanks, Mr. Warner, thanks for what you are doing for our local football and for our country”.

That, for me, is the greatest honour, Liburd, and you cannot take that away from me.  Your aim, I know, is to drive a wedge between the players and myself thereby destroying the unity and respect among us all that is so critical to the success of the team. We have seen the results of this in West Indies cricket but the difference here is that I know these players from the time they were very young and whatever differences we may ever have had in the past, none of them distrusts me nor questions my best intentions.
 
The passion I hold for my country’s football and sports in general cannot be measured, for it is Football which has given me success on an international scale and a deeper sense of nationalism. There is no price I can put on that and if I am in a position to assist it is true to my core values to do so. Any individual both on and off the field can attest to this.

Through Football and Trinidad and Tobago I have reached the dizzying heights of the FIFA administration and have had the pleasure of sharing precious time with inspiring minds from Nelson Mandela to Pele. These experiences have humbled me and grounded my faith in Trinidad and Tobago and while I do not expect everyone to understand my passion, commitment and material contribution, I will not accept anyone’s judgement based upon spurious allegations with their own hidden agendas.

That is the background to my contribution to the TTFF. It is also what moves me to play a role politically as I hold out the same expectation and belief for my country as I do for our national football side.

But let us get back to Liburd Manufacturing. In his article, Mr. Liburd suggests that Kenny Rampersad is a Director of Simpaul’s Travel and the auditor of the TTFF. Kenny Rampersad is neither a Director of Simpaul’s nor is his company the auditor of the TTFF. In fact, the TTFF auditor is the firm of KPMG who has graciously sent a representative this morning to answer any questions you may have about the integrity of the auditing process and to affirm his company’s role in auditing the TTFF’s books. Copies of the latest audited statements of the TTFF by KMPG are also available this morning for your review.

Mr. Liburd also had to go back 16 years to the age old issue of tickets printed in 1989. He alleges that I printed 16,500 tickets during the World Cup qualifying campaign of that year. This is a blatant lie.  This allegation raises a very old issue that has no basis for truth and no bearing on anything today.
To fulfill the real purpose of the article, which is to discredit me, Mr. Liburd throws in any and everything that could bring my good name into disrepute.

The question to ask is why would Mr. Liburd allow himself to be used to serve someone’s political agenda? Well, the answer to that is that the PNM found in him a convenient hatchet man since Liburd had already aligned himself with an English journalist, Andrew Jennings, who consistently maligns FIFA, its President, Sepp Blatter and myself.

In fact, Liburd spent a considerable period of time in the U.K over the past year collaborating with Jennings on his soon to be published book called FOUL which is to be released just before the World Cup. The timing is deliberate and is purported to bring disrepute to FIFA on the eve of the World Cup Football Final.
 
A draft manuscript of this book FOUL is in my possession, highlighting my name, FIFA President Sepp Blatter’s, and others whom he plans to malign, in the hope that they can do damage to the character of Mr. Blatter and Mr. Jack Warner. In the book, Liburd and Jennings accuse me of fixing matches to benefit T&T, siphoning funds and a host of other accusations which can only come from a pair of warped minds.

They have vowed to bring down the President of FIFA, Sepp Blatter and one of his Vice Presidents – Jack Warner.  Liburd is also billed to serialize the book in the Express Newspaper later this year – his editor, no doubt a willing partner in this exercise.
Even as I speak to you this morning, there are plans afoot by Liburd and his English accomplice to initiate a series of anti-Blatter/anti-Warner campaigns in the Caribbean later this month beginning in Jamaica – always Jamaica!!! Massa day done; Massa day come back!!!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the real story behind the Express Liburd articles. I do not intend to continually reply to Mr. Liburd’s concoctions since this will serve his purpose only too well and that of the PNM.

In fact, I am emboldened by the Express attack on me and quite frankly hold no grudge on the paper. Keith Smith did what he felt he had to do (in spite of the fact that he changed a positive article designed for his Sunday Christmas newspaper into a negative and most vicious one), but I, ladies and gentlemen will also carry out my own national duty which is to rescue my country and return it to being the sweet, sweet T&T we all remembered it to be just a few years ago before the PNM resumed office.

The FIFA of which I am proud to be an official has a membership of 207 countries with a cumulative population of over 3 billion people. Of this number 24 persons have been selected to be on the FIFA Executive Committee of which Trinidad & Tobago has a member and a Vice President at that!!!  In each of the other 23 countries, being a member on the FIFA Executive Committee is considered an honour.  In Trinidad & Tobago, however, such a membership seems to be a curse! And why?  It is because, in some ways, some people of this country, our country, are cruel and unkind, always bent on belittling persons who are successful, particularly persons like me…

In this country, one has to hide and become almost faceless if he or she is successful and all this, regrettably, is aided and abetted by some willing accomplices in the media.

I ask for no favours of anyone and I expect none. However, to me, my family is sacrosanct, and when one goes out of his way to undeservingly malign them, one has crossed the Rubicon...Lie- burd has just crossed!!!

To Minister Boynes, who, as part of the “Operation Get Warner” exercise has tried to discredit me by attempting to give the public the impression that that there is some tardiness on my part in submitting a budget for T&T’s participation in the World Cup or something sinister or both, I wish to advise Minister Boynes that, if he can, he should not let others push him into behaving as “Boyishly”.

The simple fact is that no budget could have sensibly been prepared unless all the facts and figures are available, where, by and large, they now are.  From all the facts and figures available, a budget has just been prepared conservatively estimated at some 40 million dollars and the details of which will be revealed at another news conference later this week.

But why the haste, Minister Boynes?  Why not hustle to pay the coaches’ salaries for October, for November or even December which you had promised to pay since early October?

Why not pay the big truck and the performers hired for the Soca Warriors’ victory street parade on November 17th on their successful return from Bahrain?  After more than 4 weeks and a lot of haggling between your Ministry and that of Community Development, why not pay the poor performers – Roy Cape All Stars Band ($22,000), Don Ramdeen Transport ($15,000), Earl Crosby/Crosby Sounds ($10,000), Sagicor Exodus ($10,000), St James Tassa Group ($2,500), MSI Sound Company ($18,000), Agency Coordination Charges ($12,500) and others - A total of  a mere $106,950.00.  Do you need a budget for those payments, Minister Boynes?  Why not pay that sum of $106,950.00?

It is informative to note that I have since paid the coaches’ salaries for October, November and December, as well as their bonuses for having brought this country to its first ever World Cup Final.

It is also informative to note that I have since paid the big truck and all the performers related to your Government’s hiring despite the fact that I had nothing to do with these arrangements. Remember Minister Boynes all of this – the Soca Warriors Victory Street Parade - was done by your Government for the welcome home of your government’s newly adopted Soca Warriors!!!

In fact, Minister Boynes, I do wish to state publicly here and now that, in my capacity as Chairman of TT Germany 2006 Ltd, we do not wish to have any funds from your Government for this World Cup project.  We have come this far without any funds from your Government, except for $2.6 million TT dollars given at an earlier period, and we shall complete the journey without any further Government funding.

All I ask of you and your Government is to give the footballers a little “ka ka da”. At least match us, since we have decided to pay each of them a sum of money ranging from $20,000 United States dollars to $100,000 United States dollars based on some well defined criteria.  I leave for London this weekend to meet with the players to advise them accordingly.

Pay the footballers directly, Minister Boynes.  Do not give TTFF or TT Germany 2006 Ltd any Government funding to participate in the World Cup Final in Germany later this year.

Pay the coaches’ salaries and bonuses directly and retroactively but do not make any other financial contribution to us. We shall overcome. But I shall say more about that later this week at a special football news conference to be called for such a purpose.     
 
I wish now to formally present my Football Gun Amnesty Plan of which I had spoken recently. It is based upon the fact that many of our footballers emerge from down-trodden neighbourhoods, where drug dealers are as commonplace as doubles vendors and where crime is seen as a career choice.

The recent victory of our national team has touched even the gang leaders, for they identify with the success of the players. Many came out to celebrate. Members of the team are ready to make an impassioned plea to these very gangs to put down their guns, to give themselves, their communities and the country a chance.

This Gun Amnesty Plan will use whatever leverage and influence the national football side has with some of these misguided individuals. If the effort produces one positively altered life, or just a few guns, it would still have been worth it. And who knows how far the message may reach!!!  Using the song “Laventille” performed by a local reggae artiste called Mr. King, a 60 second ad on the Gun Amnesty Plan has been developed, a demo of which I will share with you this morning.

We understand that some people may feel the word “Warrior” in Soca Warriors has a negative connotation, but we also wish to remind those who feel this way that not all warriors are wicked; especially those who fight injustice and champion the cause of good over evil, and in this case, those who despite humble beginnings can overcome all obstacles and against all odds, bring pride and glory to country. It is therefore, in this context, that I wish the general public to view our Soca Warriors as a group, a positive force, committed to doing for this country what “no other politician has done to date” or will ever do…

The television ad “Laventille” which will be shown now is part of a multi-media publicity campaign designed to persuade gang-leaders to respond to the call for putting down their guns. I hope the Gun Amnesty Plan I propose will be embraced by the Prime Minister and Minister of National Security since it is a strategy that has had great success in many parts of the world, but unfortunately, I do not expect a positive response from them, unless like the Limp Blimp, they feel it has some public relations benefit.

The showing of this ad will be an appropriate conclusion to the news conference as it refocuses the national community on the real issues before us rather than the distraction which I was forced to address this morning.

May I take this opportunity to wish each and every one of you, your beloved families and our nation a blessed and joyous New Year.  God bless. And thank you all.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 03, 2006, 04:06:39 PM
who are we playing on march 1st?
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: RGarcia on January 03, 2006, 04:10:08 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 04:24:04 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: dumpalewie on January 03, 2006, 04:30:54 PM
Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
TTFF Media


The following is the full address as presented by Jack Warner in response to allegations made against him and his family during a three-part series in the Trinidad Express on december 25, 26 and 7, 2005. The Media Conference was held on Tuesday January 3, 2006 at the Crowne Plaza, Port of Spain.

Apart from the fact that he is working against his employers, the CCN Group acquiring the broadcast rights for the World Cup in 2010, who is he? In 1994 I obtained the local TV rights for WC for the princely sum of $1USD and sold it to TV6 for $250,000 USD which sum went towards the development of football in the TTFF. The same was done in 1998, 2002 and 2006 with increases in each case. Liburd continues to make this an issue and I can give him only one assurance today and that is that I will review the sale of these rights to his employers for the 2010 World Cup.


Why not pay the big truck and the performers hired for the Soca Warriors’ victory street parade on November 17th on their successful return from Bahrain?  After more than 4 weeks and a lot of haggling between your Ministry and that of Community Development, why not pay the poor performers – Roy Cape All Stars Band ($22,000), Don Ramdeen Transport ($15,000), Earl Crosby/Crosby Sounds ($10,000), Sagicor Exodus ($10,000), St James Tassa Group ($2,500), MSI Sound Company ($18,000), Agency Coordination Charges ($12,500) and others - A total of  a mere $106,950.00.  Do you need a budget for those payments, Minister Boynes?  Why not pay that sum of $106,950.00?


In fact, Minister Boynes, I do wish to state publicly here and now that, in my capacity as Chairman of TT Germany 2006 Ltd, we do not wish to have any funds from your Government for this World Cup project.  We have come this far without any funds from your Government, except for $2.6 million TT dollars given at an earlier period, and we shall complete the journey without any further Government funding.

These 3 paragraphs show to me that Jack Warner is not to be trusted.

To me he is the man politicising this. Why is it unreasonable to expect a budget for taxpayer expenditure. He could sell the TV rights but how can we verify that he did use it for the TTFF and not to enrich himself.

Also, the Soca Warriors are our, the people of TnT's, team. Who is he to say that the government can't contribute to the journey. With a statement like that I am led to believe that he does intend to use this for political purposes. Additionally, the Gun Amnesty drive, come on only the gonverment can grant amnesty to criminals so that is bogus.

Jack is letting his political aspirations get to him. I just pray that the Soca Warriors become his vehicle.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: MEP on January 03, 2006, 04:53:02 PM
After Abu Bakr, Jack has to be the second most dangerous man in TnT. I don't know who is advising him but obviously they don't know Trinis...the man is trying to mix politics and sports. Maybe he should try telling people how he ended up becoming a millionaire.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Big Magician on January 03, 2006, 04:58:22 PM
where are my f#ckin tickets
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:00:25 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!

CAN YOU PROVE THAT HE IS LYING??
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: MickeyRat on January 03, 2006, 05:01:53 PM
Time to pay de piper!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:03:15 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!

CAN YOU PROVE THAT HE IS LYING??

well id say his history is enough to say "YES"

history isn't proof
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:06:45 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!

CAN YOU PROVE THAT HE IS LYING??

Can you prove he telling de trute?

He bulling you or what?

What shit yuh asking, like yuh f**king eye full ah yampee?  Yuh cyar read thru de lies and de inconsistiences?

Steups!

Yuh should change yuh name from Pointman to pointless moo-moo!

Yuh must be have ah very mechanical mind. Too bad yuh forget to wind it up dis morning!!

Steups.

Levae me alone with yuh shit eh!

seriously.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: pufftrini on January 03, 2006, 05:10:11 PM
The FIFA of which I am proud to be an official has a membership of 207 countries with a cumulative population of over 3 billion people. Of this number 24 persons have been selected to be on the FIFA Executive Committee of which Trinidad & Tobago has a member and a Vice President at that!!!  In each of the other 23 countries, being a member on the FIFA Executive Committee is considered an honour.  In Trinidad & Tobago, however, such a membership seems to be a curse! And why?  It is because, in some ways, some people of this country, our country, are cruel and unkind, always bent on belittling persons who are successful, particularly persons like me…

Oh gorm speech boi. That is what u call a cut-arse and then a get send in de corner to kneel down. Li-burd come good, u bound respond. ;D ;D ;D

But u know the one ting that stand out for me is what he say bout being VP appears to be a curse for him. He has a point. In many countries the man would be a hero - and I mean like the US and Canada where I base. Why r we cutting down we heroes?

On another note, back to Li-burd, why he go bring up how Lie Burd principal and viceprincipal at Arima Govt Secondary was name Warner  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

And is true u mean to tell me Boynes and dem cyar pay the Big Truck and dem as yet. Dat is slackness -real mf slackness. I go wait to hear how the next side go rebutt. Yes papa dis ting rich.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:12:52 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!

CAN YOU PROVE THAT HE IS LYING??

Can you prove he telling de trute?

He bulling you or what?

What shit yuh asking, like yuh f**king eye full ah yampee?  Yuh cyar read thru de lies and de inconsistiences?

Steups!

Yuh should change yuh name from Pointman to pointless moo-moo!

Yuh must be have ah very mechanical mind. Too bad yuh forget to wind it up dis morning!!

Steups.

Levae me alone with yuh shit eh!

seriously.

unlike yourself I don't turn in to the exocist when I hear JW name mentioned so I don't feel it necessary to prove or even believe that he telling the truth or not, but in as much as you seem to be the unofficial and perhaps the resident Warner basher then the burden of proof falls to you.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: DeSoWa on January 03, 2006, 05:13:19 PM
TT please go easy on him eh..ppl take cover :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:20:31 PM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!

CAN YOU PROVE THAT HE IS LYING??

Can you prove he telling de trute?

He bulling you or what?

What shit yuh asking, like yuh f**king eye full ah yampee?  Yuh cyar read thru de lies and de inconsistiences?

Steups!

Yuh should change yuh name from Pointman to pointless moo-moo!

Yuh must be have ah very mechanical mind. Too bad yuh forget to wind it up dis morning!!

Steups.

Levae me alone with yuh shit eh!

seriously.

Apart from the fact that you seem to have a penchant for personal attacks(I don't know why an attack on me was necessary, just like the one on lihilquay earlier today) and a way with words ::) can you prove anything that you've said on this forum vis a vis JW? or for that matter dis prove anything JW says.
To answer your question, NO JW ent bulling me, I only bull women...ask your wife bitch ;D (perhaps you can relate to those kinds of personal attacks.)
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:22:26 PM
pointman yuh tun into ah stone awa?

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
Quote
unlike yourself I don't turn in to the exocist when I hear JW name mentioned so I don't feel it necessary to prove or even believe that he telling the truth or not, but in as much as you seem to be the unofficial and perhaps the resident Warner basher then the burden of proof falls to you.

Fella is WASA i does work..so when I see POINTLESS shit, I flushing..sorry yuh get causght up in de swirl.

Is amazing how you cannot see de lies.

If yuh eh have no balss to stand up to Jack..yuh need to grow some quick to deal with me.

becaue unlike you and Rotato Poti 1, 2 , 3 4, and 10, me ehcare what allyuh say.

Jack is ah damn liar.

He making different statements bout dem tickets and yuh cyar see de lies?  
He make different statements about de budget..yuh cyar see de lies?
He make different statements about de Money from FIFA..yuh cyar see de lies?

You doh need an exorcist..yuh need to open yuh eyes and see dat jack is ah liar and ah destroyer.

I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it.  Yuh letting Jack chain yuh up like ah bicycle in de Beetham?

Steups.

Yuh wukking Simpauls or what?
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: dumpalewie on January 03, 2006, 05:25:10 PM
Seriously Pointman!

The man just say that no tickets have been allocated yet when his company Simpauls, "The Official Travel Agent of TTFF"are selling exclusive packages to the games.

Their ad in the Express  online even uses the trademarked term "Soca Warriors."

The man is clearly talking out of both sides of his mouth and hoping that people can't decipher his nonsense.

We need TrueTrini to attend the press conferences to ask serious questions.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: FF on January 03, 2006, 05:26:37 PM
Pointman wha wrong with yuh.... yuh cyah see the man have no integrity at all.... he see no conflict of interest in his ownership of Simpauls....

he also misled the public into believin that Simpauls was de only local source of tickets from de TTFF allocation.... (A LIE)

Only because of the uproar he come out and say that Simpauls gettin dey tickets elsewhere.... now he still eh say nutten bout the TTFF 8% allocation....



Compare his statements in the first press conference to his statements today.... everything is contradictory.... and FIFA site saying different.... so what is de truth of de matter... de man is ah "verterbrate liar" or whaever de f#ck he call liburd this morning....
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:26:45 PM
nah cuz TT would come wit ah much better comeback da dat shit yuz Ramnaresh Sarwan awa?

how yuh could say Jack Warner not lieing yuh on crack awa?

yuh hadda be down syndrom to actually believe da man speakin de truth.

well obviosuly you can afford a ticket.

doh misinterpret meh breds...ah never said he ent lying(I really doh care 'bout that) I simply asked TT if he could prove anything he says about JW. Accusations are one thing proof is another. CAN YOU PROVE IT! accusations doh mean shyte.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: FF on January 03, 2006, 05:29:39 PM
The man proving he is a liar with all his contradictory statements.... his story changin like de wind.... any jury go convict he
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:30:11 PM
nah cuz TT would come wit ah much better comeback da dat shit yuz Ramnaresh Sarwan awa?

how yuh could say Jack Warner not lieing yuh on crack awa?

yuh hadda be down syndrom to actually believe da man speakin de truth.

well obviosuly you can afford a ticket.

doh misinterpret meh breds...ah never said he ent lying(I really doh care 'bout that) I simply asked TT if he could prove anything he says about JW. Accusations are one thing proof is another. CAN YOU PROVE IT! accusations doh mean shyte.

steups..so is me yuh have ah issue with den?  Ah hah it clearer now!

I hear you were born on April 2; a day too late!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:34:10 PM
Quote
unlike yourself I don't turn in to the exocist when I hear JW name mentioned so I don't feel it necessary to prove or even believe that he telling the truth or not, but in as much as you seem to be the unofficial and perhaps the resident Warner basher then the burden of proof falls to you.

Fella is WASA i does work..so when I see POINTLESS shit, I flushing..sorry yuh get causght up in de swirl.

Is amazing how you cannot see de lies.

If yuh eh have no balss to stand up to Jack..yuh need to grow some quick to deal with me.

becaue unlike you and Rotato Poti 1, 2 , 3 4, and 10, me ehcare what allyuh say.

Jack is ah damn liar.

He making different statements bout dem tickets and yuh cyar see de lies?  
He make different statements about de budget..yuh cyar see de lies?
He make different statements about de Money from FIFA..yuh cyar see de lies?

You doh need an exorcist..yuh need to open yuh eyes and see dat jack is ah liar and ah destroyer.

I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it.  Yuh letting Jack chain yuh up like ah bicycle in de Beetham?

Steups.

Yuh wukking Simpauls or what?

I hope you not calling this ranting on an internet website "standing up to JW" as far as we all know this is the only place you venting anything about JW.
 Are you taking him to court on behalf of the ppl of T&T?
Are you suing him in a court of law of behalf of yourself or the ppl of T&T?
What the hell are you doing to JW on behalf of the ppl of T&T besides bitching on this forum?
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:37:59 PM
You have to be ah buller!

what shit yuh asking me?

Like yuh mad or what?

And what you doing questioning me?  Like yuh looking fuh love?

I used to think dat yuh was a big pain in deneck. Now I have a much lower opinion ah yuh, you is ah pain in de arse!

Like yuh have ah real issue with me fighting down yuh man JAckie ent?

KISS MY RED TRINI ASS (figuratively only eh) Cyar trust allyuh bullahs!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: FF on January 03, 2006, 05:38:43 PM
I hope you not calling this ranting on an internet website "standing up to JW" as far as we all know this is the only place you venting anything about JW.
 Are you taking him to court on behalf of the ppl of T&T?
Are you suing him in a court of law of behalf of yourself or the ppl of T&T?
What the hell are you doing to JW on behalf of the ppl of T&T besides bitching on this forum?


Pointman now yuh being ah jackass.....

We keepin the debate alive.... whoever read this might tell they partner home who go tell somebody else....

De first letter printed in de papers about this Fiasco was sent by me FF
since then yuh seein letter after letter many from this forum
so yuh better believe this forum had some part to play in the Liburd articles and Umbala and them ranting on de radio....

Keep the debate alive... dont roll over and play dead....
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:45:39 PM
I hope you not calling this ranting on an internet website "standing up to JW" as far as we all know this is the only place you venting anything about JW.
 Are you taking him to court on behalf of the ppl of T&T?
Are you suing him in a court of law of behalf of yourself or the ppl of T&T?
What the hell are you doing to JW on behalf of the ppl of T&T besides bitching on this forum?


Pointman now yuh being ah jackass.....

We keepin the debate alive.... whoever read this might tell they partner home who go tell somebody else....

De first letter printed in de papers about this Fiasco was sent by me FF
since then yuh seein letter after letter many from this forum
so yuh better believe this forum had some part to play in the Liburd articles and Umbala and them ranting on de radio....

Keep the debate alive... dont roll over and play dead....

Doh mind he at all...
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: scarface on January 03, 2006, 05:46:32 PM
where are my f#ckin tickets

D man stiil eh answer that question up to now for real.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:47:26 PM
nah cuz TT would come wit ah much better comeback da dat shit yuz Ramnaresh Sarwan awa?

how yuh could say Jack Warner not lieing yuh on crack awa?

yuh hadda be down syndrom to actually believe da man speakin de truth.

well obviosuly you can afford a ticket.

doh misinterpret meh breds...ah never said he ent lying(I really doh care 'bout that) I simply asked TT if he could prove anything he says about JW. Accusations are one thing proof is another. CAN YOU PROVE IT! accusations doh mean shyte.

steups..so is me yuh have ah issue with den?  Ah hah it clearer now!

I hear you were born on April 2; a day too late!

I doh have no issue with you, I simply doh understand why you have to attack folks personally ie JW and anyone else who may have a different view concerning JW or even ppl trying to find out bout the whole TTFF/JW issue, like to girl earlier today(and yea ah know yuh apologized) If you doh like the man then DO something take DIRECT action and stop gripeing. Since JW is well beyond your reach to do anything, is all the ranting and raving necessary?
And I will take the high road and not stoop to your level with the personal attacks...althought it's quite tempting ;D
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:50:11 PM
nah cuz TT would come wit ah much better comeback da dat shit yuz Ramnaresh Sarwan awa?

how yuh could say Jack Warner not lieing yuh on crack awa?

yuh hadda be down syndrom to actually believe da man speakin de truth.

well obviosuly you can afford a ticket.

doh misinterpret meh breds...ah never said he ent lying(I really doh care 'bout that) I simply asked TT if he could prove anything he says about JW. Accusations are one thing proof is another. CAN YOU PROVE IT! accusations doh mean shyte.

steups..so is me yuh have ah issue with den?  Ah hah it clearer now!

I hear you were born on April 2; a day too late!

I doh have no issue with you, I simply doh understand why you have to attack folks personally ie JW and anyone else who may have a different view concerning JW or even ppl trying to find out bout the whole TTFF/JW issue, like to girl earlier today(and yea ah know yuh apologized) If you doh like the man then DO something take DIRECT action and stop gripeing. Since JW is well beyond your reach to do anything, is all the ranting and raving necessary?
And I will take the high road and not stoop to your level with the personal attacks...althought it's quite tempting ;D

Yuh full ah shit ah yuh reaching.

Continue to kiss Jack's ass, but doh expect me to do so!

Yuh is ah relative new Comer here I bashing Jack Warner 6+ years on dis board!

And in light of recent developments...steups me eh explaining nutten tuh yuh.


You eh want to know nutten about de trute about Jack Warner at all.  Yuh more interested in bashing me.

Like I take your tickets...like I take yuh place in germany?

Steups...take yuh beef with de same energy yuh have against me..and fight down Jack!

I send nuff letters over de years complaining against Jack and his minions like you.

Now go lay down and chill by yuh dish what jack buy fuh yuh!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:50:57 PM
I hope you not calling this ranting on an internet website "standing up to JW" as far as we all know this is the only place you venting anything about JW.
 Are you taking him to court on behalf of the ppl of T&T?
Are you suing him in a court of law of behalf of yourself or the ppl of T&T?
What the hell are you doing to JW on behalf of the ppl of T&T besides bitching on this forum?


Pointman now yuh being ah jackass.....

We keepin the debate alive.... whoever read this might tell they partner home who go tell somebody else....

De first letter printed in de papers about this Fiasco was sent by me FF
since then yuh seein letter after letter many from this forum
so yuh better believe this forum had some part to play in the Liburd articles and Umbala and them ranting on de radio....

Keep the debate alive... dont roll over and play dead....

allyuh men ent kno JW is de real Teflon Don or wha...ah ent ah supporter nor detractor of JW ah jus picking meh battles and dis one is folly. June '06 go come and go and JW go still be dey
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 05:57:16 PM
nah cuz TT would come wit ah much better comeback da dat shit yuz Ramnaresh Sarwan awa?

how yuh could say Jack Warner not lieing yuh on crack awa?

yuh hadda be down syndrom to actually believe da man speakin de truth.

well obviosuly you can afford a ticket.

doh misinterpret meh breds...ah never said he ent lying(I really doh care 'bout that) I simply asked TT if he could prove anything he says about JW. Accusations are one thing proof is another. CAN YOU PROVE IT! accusations doh mean shyte.

steups..so is me yuh have ah issue with den?  Ah hah it clearer now!

I hear you were born on April 2; a day too late!

I doh have no issue with you, I simply doh understand why you have to attack folks personally ie JW and anyone else who may have a different view concerning JW or even ppl trying to find out bout the whole TTFF/JW issue, like to girl earlier today(and yea ah know yuh apologized) If you doh like the man then DO something take DIRECT action and stop gripeing. Since JW is well beyond your reach to do anything, is all the ranting and raving necessary?
And I will take the high road and not stoop to your level with the personal attacks...althought it's quite tempting ;D

Yuh full ah shit ah yuh reaching.

Continue to kiss Jack's ass, but doh expect me to do so!

Yuh is ah relative new Comer here I bashing Jack Warner 6+ years on dis board!

And in light of recent developments...steups me eh explaining nutten tuh yuh.


You eh want to know nutten about de trute about Jack Warner at all.  Yuh more interested in bashing me.

Like I take your tickets...like I take yuh place in germany?

Steups...take yuh beef with de same energy yuh have against me..and fight down Jack!

I send nuff letters over de years complaining against Jack and his minions like you.

Now go lay down and chill by yuh dish what jack buy fuh yuh!

you bashing JW 6+ years on a forum and does he even know? ::)
 
I've got two words for you son...Therapy!! ;D
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 05:59:06 PM
Take win fella.  Yuh is ah genius..ah buller but ah genius.

I know JACK better dan even yoiu his ass kisser know him,  how he ass does taste?

Anyway I done eh.  No need to respond
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 06:04:24 PM
Take win fella.  Yuh is ah genius..ah buller but ah genius.

I know JACK better dan even yoiu his ass kisser know him,  how he ass does taste?

Anyway I done eh.  No need to respond

Ah ent responding to the JW issue but just a word of advise, chill out with the personal attacks(you doh know me), you lose credibility that way. All ah we is big men ...and women... on this forum lehwe make we points or dismiss other ppl's point of view without gehin personal ...ah might buss yuh head (doh study me eh...I cyar fight :rotfl: )
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: sub1 on January 03, 2006, 06:25:38 PM
Quote
unlike yourself I don't turn in to the exocist when I hear JW name mentioned so I don't feel it necessary to prove or even believe that he telling the truth or not, but in as much as you seem to be the unofficial and perhaps the resident Warner basher then the burden of proof falls to you.

Fella is WASA i does work..so when I see POINTLESS shit, I flushing..sorry yuh get causght up in de swirl.

Is amazing how you cannot see de lies.

If yuh eh have no balss to stand up to Jack..yuh need to grow some quick to deal with me.

becaue unlike you and Rotato Poti 1, 2 , 3 4, and 10, me ehcare what allyuh say.

Jack is ah damn liar.

He making different statements bout dem tickets and yuh cyar see de lies?  
He make different statements about de budget..yuh cyar see de lies?
He make different statements about de Money from FIFA..yuh cyar see de lies?

You doh need an exorcist..yuh need to open yuh eyes and see dat jack is ah liar and ah destroyer.

I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it.  Yuh letting Jack chain yuh up like ah bicycle in de Beetham?

Steups.

Yuh wukking Simpauls or what?



Truetrini I am more interested in how Lincoln is handling this and if he is ready and willing to take over the mantle of Football Jefe in T&t. I think, thanks be to GOD, that this could be the end of JW, his own waterloo, and the emergence of a more honest, brighter prospect.
Like Paul you have had your Damascus road experience and like Paul your new crusade is relentless. Getting the truth out about this dishonest millstone is a gospel initself. He owes the people of T&T much more than he can repay. Keep up the good fight and leave the blind in their darkness if they unwilling to see the light.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 06:33:35 PM
Quote
unlike yourself I don't turn in to the exocist when I hear JW name mentioned so I don't feel it necessary to prove or even believe that he telling the truth or not, but in as much as you seem to be the unofficial and perhaps the resident Warner basher then the burden of proof falls to you.

Fella is WASA i does work..so when I see POINTLESS shit, I flushing..sorry yuh get causght up in de swirl.

Is amazing how you cannot see de lies.

If yuh eh have no balss to stand up to Jack..yuh need to grow some quick to deal with me.

becaue unlike you and Rotato Poti 1, 2 , 3 4, and 10, me ehcare what allyuh say.

Jack is ah damn liar.

He making different statements bout dem tickets and yuh cyar see de lies?  
He make different statements about de budget..yuh cyar see de lies?
He make different statements about de Money from FIFA..yuh cyar see de lies?

You doh need an exorcist..yuh need to open yuh eyes and see dat jack is ah liar and ah destroyer.

I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it.  Yuh letting Jack chain yuh up like ah bicycle in de Beetham?

Steups.

Yuh wukking Simpauls or what?



Truetrini I am more interested in how Lincoln is handling this and if he is ready and willing to take over the mantle of Football Jefe in T&t. I think, thanks be to GOD, that this could be the end of JW, his own waterloo, and the emergence of a more honest, brighter prospect.
Like Paul you have had your Damascus road experience and like Paul your new crusade is relentless. Getting the truth out about this dishonest millstone is a gospel initself. He owes the people of T&T much more than he can repay. Keep up the good fight and leave the blind in their darkness if they unwilling to see the light.

Sub1 allyuh men cyar be serious, as I said before JW is the real Teflon Don he coming outta dis one without as much as a scratch... watch.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: MATADOR on January 03, 2006, 06:37:29 PM
Fellars.. it aint seem that all those numbers and budget and payments Jack saying who oweing him etc... and all that he personally pay.. is ah form of justifying that so wha if ah making or taking meh chance now to make back wha he feel is rightfully his and he family... And bringing PNM in this... HE FORGET WHO HAVE THE COUNTRY WHERE IT IS TODAY..AND WHO IS THE F###**G ONE WHO OPEN UP BIG BANK ACCOUNT IN THE UK...

JACK COULD HULL HE ARSE!! JUST LIKE GYPSY AND BROTHER MARVIN THE UNC GO RIDE HIM THEN TELL HIM JEHAJI BHAI.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 03, 2006, 06:47:35 PM
Quote
unlike yourself I don't turn in to the exocist when I hear JW name mentioned so I don't feel it necessary to prove or even believe that he telling the truth or not, but in as much as you seem to be the unofficial and perhaps the resident Warner basher then the burden of proof falls to you.

Fella is WASA i does work..so when I see POINTLESS shit, I flushing..sorry yuh get causght up in de swirl.

Is amazing how you cannot see de lies.

If yuh eh have no balss to stand up to Jack..yuh need to grow some quick to deal with me.

becaue unlike you and Rotato Poti 1, 2 , 3 4, and 10, me ehcare what allyuh say.

Jack is ah damn liar.

He making different statements bout dem tickets and yuh cyar see de lies?  
He make different statements about de budget..yuh cyar see de lies?
He make different statements about de Money from FIFA..yuh cyar see de lies?

You doh need an exorcist..yuh need to open yuh eyes and see dat jack is ah liar and ah destroyer.

I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it.  Yuh letting Jack chain yuh up like ah bicycle in de Beetham?

Steups.

Yuh wukking Simpauls or what?



Truetrini I am more interested in how Lincoln is handling this and if he is ready and willing to take over the mantle of Football Jefe in T&t. I think, thanks be to GOD, that this could be the end of JW, his own waterloo, and the emergence of a more honest, brighter prospect.
Like Paul you have had your Damascus road experience and like Paul your new crusade is relentless. Getting the truth out about this dishonest millstone is a gospel initself. He owes the people of T&T much more than he can repay. Keep up the good fight and leave the blind in their darkness if they unwilling to see the light.

Sub1 allyuh men cyar be serious, as I said before JW is the real Teflon Don he coming outta dis one without as much as a scratch... watch.

STEWPS AGAIN MR.POINTLESS!

DATS NOT THE POINT!

JUST CUZ YUH KNOW HE GO GEH AWAY DEN YUH SHOULD ALLOW HIM TO RUN HE MAFIA WITHOUT EXPRESSING TOTAL DISAGREEMENT!?

Ah ent have no problems with anybody expressing anything for or against JW, I just being realistic as I see it. Why aren't the powers that be doing anything about JW. Ah talking bout ppl who could actually DO something meaningful about the JW situation. If the man tiefing money is so evident to everybody everywhere why isn't anyone DOING anything about it. In ah legal way.
Title: Warner.....THE SPINNER...
Post by: concerned on January 03, 2006, 07:45:56 PM
he should go on Bill Oriely and throw the "SPIN"...but ah tell yuh...he is smart and has been caught, theamount he  will make is  approx 36,000,000.00, based on 18000 profit per package....Liaburd is correct, his facts are true.......but unfortunalelty Liaburd is not a spinner and cannot duck out like JACK.....no more :-\
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: samo on January 03, 2006, 07:52:16 PM
pointman yuh point really not making sense. Because sometimes our voices may fall on deaf ears, or we do not have the power to change something we must just roll over and keep our mouth shut??


Quote
If you doh like the man then DO something take DIRECT action and stop gripeing. Since JW is well beyond your reach to do anything, is all the ranting and raving necessary?

Lemme try to put what I believe yuh saying in a more practical way. Now I not saying or wishing malice on anybody just trying to make or clarify your point.

You have a little sister,cousin or whoever, say 11 years old and she walking home from school ,a car stop and a big 6'4 250lbs man grab her and pull her in the car, what is she supposed to do ??? Nothing, because she cyah do nothing anyway or scream,and fight and do whatever she could do to get away. She could make plenty noise and still end up raped or dead if she scream, but at least she is  bettering her chances by making noise.
Well that is what we here try to do make noise, many times it may fall on deaf ears, but the 1 time it is heard we will beneift. If TT scream and we get 10 tickets at the correct price,it is 10 more than we had, and whilst we many not have succeeded in what we intended to do, we still have accomplished something, although small it better than doing nothing...
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 03, 2006, 07:52:45 PM
Sounds like both sides--the UNC and PNM--are trying to use this achievement for political leverage.  They better pay the entertainers and award the players for their achievements.  As for Jack, however he tries to justify and clear his tarnished name, there will be a shortage of credibility, since he is operating in an environment that is clearly one of conflicting interests.  He cannot be a part of FIFA, a TTFF specail advisor, and yet allow companies with family connections to bid or be awarded contracts and exclusive rights to TTFF business.  Once he keeps up this practice, people will continue to attack his moral fiber.  His best option is to not allow his businesses to be associated with the TTFF in any capacity.  Plain talk.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: weary1969 on January 03, 2006, 07:56:45 PM
Who cares if the truck ain't get paid. I am sure that they have not been, it is government funds and you just can't spend tax payers dollars just so. He feel is UNC when they use TIDCO money to pave roads.

I am sure he knows that for the level of expenditure that Cabinet will have to approve. So Boynes must go to cabinet a million times. Once to pay the coach, then to reward the warriors, then to pay for training etc.  

Jack feel that we just fall of the turnip truck. As for Anil Roberts I hope that Jack paying him well because he has no credibility. The Guardian already got rid of him.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Trini_fan on January 03, 2006, 08:05:30 PM
 :'( :'( it pains me to see that Jack has the ppl of my country down as a bunch of jackarses and illiterates because that is the only way he can expect ppl to believe all that crap he saying.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: FATZ on January 03, 2006, 08:39:12 PM
Big up to meh friend across the sea called True Trini. That Jack Warner article was the longest piece of bullshit i have read in a long time, i felt like i was Tim Robbins in the shawshank redemption, i could just have imagined the actual conference. Those reporters must have been 'stueppsing' whole time. For all who know who is Blackie, he sang a song for Warner this year, Pointman the buller, Potato Toti and all the rest of Jack outside children and bamsy flies should listen to the hook line of blackie's song. :rotfl: :rotfl: :beermug:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 03, 2006, 08:59:52 PM
Hapy New Year Fatz..dey either Blind or is jes dumb dey dumb!

Truth come tuh light quick quick ent?
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: TriniCana on January 03, 2006, 09:34:52 PM
Where dey Trinity Cross allyuh was going to give Warner eh ?
Some ah allyuh wanted to pin dey damn thing on he crotch if it was legal. steups

more shit to come...this is just the tip of dey shit pile.

Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: oconnorg on January 03, 2006, 09:45:48 PM
Actually.. Cana, is not the TIP of the Shit pile yet nuh.. It have More shit tuh come.!!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Feliziano on January 03, 2006, 09:52:05 PM
sooo  ::) ....when exactly is TTFF going to apply to FIFA for our 8% allocation?

regardless if Jack say he getting he tickets from a tour operator ( which is highly unlikely anyway)..it illegal according to FIFA rules plus he still making a killing on them packages lol
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Preacher on January 03, 2006, 09:55:55 PM
stueepppss
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: STEUPS!! on January 03, 2006, 10:55:12 PM
is always a f**kin bacchanal for everyting eh!

 if jw ,d government ,ttff an anybody f**k up wit my boys, ah blowin up everybody muddah c**t >:(

jack, stop being so f**kin greedy, boynes stop being so f**kin stingy.
dis have nothin to do wit d government or jack or ttff. lewwe jus focus on preparin we warriors as best as possible. is all about d SOCA WARRIORS right now,not f**kin allyuh
 warriors to d end!

bless!!!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: saintsman on January 03, 2006, 11:05:59 PM
warner finally get call out at the start of his sh-t, now he scrambling,like a bush lizard :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: ballfever on January 03, 2006, 11:31:14 PM
ALL DA HE SAY BEFORE DIS WAS  :bs:
In response, I have held lengthy discussions with my attorneys, family and members of the UNC. It was generally felt that it was sufficient to expose the story for what it is rather than to perpetuate its agenda by a law suit in the light of gross misrepresentations and inaccuracies even though I unreservedly withhold the right to do so at anytime.
Lasana ain't say nutten libellous in dem articles, so it ha nutten to sue for. Trust mih, even if it had 2 libellous words in dey, was Ramesh in liburd pwefn!
The intention of the articles is to change the reference point of Jack Warner in the minds of the public, or more importantly, the electorate. It was designed to sully the Warner name and to reframe the recent achievements I have yearned and struggled for over many years in the football arena and which the national community embraced in a way that even Patrick Manning had to admit “brought people together like no politician had hitherto been able to do”.
boo hoo hoo!waaaah!
“Operation Get Warner: A prelude to the General Elections of 2006.”
so manning really intend to play de ass an call early elections, eh?
Credit must be given to Mr. Liburd for demonstrating that he is both a mathematical genius and an inventor of facts. In his magical script more apt for the Warner Bros. Studios than the Warner family, Mr. Liburd estimates that the local Warners will rake in a cool fifty million dollars in revenue from World Cup ticket sales alone! Apart from his illogical calculations, this unrepentant and inveterate liar has even outdone himself in that no application for World Cup tickets of any kind has been submitted yet to FIFA by the TTFF or me!!!
Dis probably true, in that even though dey (and everyone else for that matter) know how much the allocation is, dey ain't sen ah official document from d TTFF yet confirmin dat dey will be takin d full or partof d allocation. dis is what uncle bas does call a 'half truth'.
As a consequence, no World Cup tickets of any category or price has been assigned to Simpaul’s or to any other organization and/or person in Trinidad and Tobago or the TTFF and I wish to repeat that no application has yet been made to FIFA for World Cup tickets of any kind or any category nor has any been assigned to Simpaul’s Travel Service.
Well if none ain't assigned, den d cry should be false advertising by Simpauls, cuz i ain't understan how dey cud be sellin wha day ain't have!
At this point in time, no one in T&T really knows (except perhaps a creature called Liburd,) who in T&T will get World Cup tickets, what quantity they will receive or the criteria which will be used in the determination of ticket allocation.  In the absence of all this information, including the cost of tickets, only a Liburd can arrive at any kind of tally much less the gigantic proportions he sensationally manufactures.
?????????
Consider the following facts and ask yourself how you would feel if you were Jack Warner in light of the dark purpose of these articles:-

3. Over the years I have paid up a significant part of the TTFF’s debt with the exception of $827,000 which is owed to Simpaul’s Travel since 2001.
4.  The records show that the earnings of these organizations have suffered because of the subsidized rates which I insist they charge for the services provided and for which the TTFF has not been paying. At this point in time the Football Federation owes these two entities well over half a million dollars.
5. I recently paid a debt of the TTFF amounting to $1.7 million which was owed to CMB – Collier, Morrison and Belgrave of 13 Rust St., St. Clair.  Ask Ian Collier, himself.
6. An additional sum of some $3 million dollars of a $5 million dollar loan owed by the TTFF to Republic Bank was paid by me and the balance of $2 million dollars was due by December 31st 2005.  Ask the Branch Manager of Republic Bank, Long Circular Mall.
D multi million dollar question here is...WHY? Didn't the banks do sufficient cash flow projections to assess the ttff's ability to repay their debts? dah is wah i would ask de Branch Manager of Republic Bank, Long Circular Mall.
1. Simpaul’s Travel was purchased by the Warner family some 10 years ago.  At the time the Football Federation owed Simpaul’s over two hundred thousand dollars, which sum I paid.
As I'm sure u would have done to clean up the books of simpauls before the purchase....
When the Warner family had to mortgage the family house for local football’s survival in the 1980s, where were Liburd and his friends?
Kangaroo Jack fugettin one ah d first rules ah business..he mixin personal funds wit professional. Ah wonder if my wife wudda leh me mortgage de house tuh go germany all in de name d survival ah football?
When CONCACAF had only one team qualifying for a World Cup Tournament and we came second; then CONCACAF got two qualifying teams and we came third; then CONCACAF had three qualifying teams and we came fourth and I continued to lobby the FIFA for an extra place and CONCACAF received 31/2   spots, where were Liburd and his friends then?
So man jus supposed tuh hush dey ass an b grateful, ent? Allyuh ever see "A Few Good Men"? Jack Nicholson in de witness box.....
Apart from the fact that he has been consistently refused accreditation to the World Cup Qualifying matches in T&T, who is he?
Consistently refused accreditation by whom/what body? Do i smell victimisation?
Apart from the fact that he is working against his employers, the CCN Group acquiring the broadcast rights for the World Cup in 2010, who is he? In 1994 I obtained the local TV rights for WC for the princely sum of $1USD and sold it to TV6 for $250,000 USD which sum went towards the development of football in the TTFF. The same was done in 1998, 2002 and 2006 with increases in each case. Liburd continues to make this an issue and I can give him only one assurance today and that is that I will review the sale of these rights to his employers for the 2010 World Cup.
Yup, the pungent odour of unashamed victimisation!
Mr. Liburd also had to go back 16 years to the age old issue of tickets printed in 1989. He alleges that I printed 16,500 tickets during the World Cup qualifying campaign of that year. This is a blatant lie.  This allegation raises a very old issue that has no basis for truth and no bearing on anything today.
Old news, buh ent he did admit it?
The simple fact is that no budget could have sensibly been prepared unless all the facts and figures are available, where, by and large, they now are.
Fellas, ah feel some ah we hah tuh run for office, even if is just tuh prepare budget and to hunt down facts an figures!
Do you need a budget for those payments, Minister Boynes?  Why not pay that sum of $106,950.00?
Is this rhetorical or does Jack really intend to operate like this if UNC geh power, an he is Minister for Sport?  
In fact, Minister Boynes, I do wish to state publicly here and now that, in my capacity as Chairman of TT Germany 2006 Ltd, we do not wish to have any funds from your Government for this World Cup project.  We have come this far without any funds from your Government, except for $2.6 million TT dollars given at an earlier period, and we shall complete the journey without any further Government funding[/color].
ta-tanna-naaah! IT'S DE JACK WARNER SHOW!!! Starring Jack "I DON'T GIVE AH FLYING F*CK ABOUT DE GOVERNMENT!" Warner.

 and the saga continues.......
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: supporter on January 04, 2006, 12:44:05 AM
I dont give a flying f**k what you or the ttff owe simpaul, jack! you pay them back another time, another way. The time to pay them back is NOT through ass raping soca warrior fans with ridiculous ticket packages to their side's first world cup, and no communication regarding purchasing the damn tickets.

and you say youre not going to give liburd the notion of acknowledging his claims, but you go and research and publish the man's past, and ask who is he? ill tell you who he is. hes a f**kin journalist, and hes the only one doing his job, asking these questions that we have been asking since we qualified. cant say the same for your hire fuentes.

i would have had more tolerance if he actually defended the claims, instead of saying how much he has done,and why he owed simpaul. i want to like you jack, but post-wc qualifying has been disheartening.

:: and still no word on our next "friendly". i thought this announcement was supposed to cover that.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Savannah boy on January 04, 2006, 01:22:15 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=126239075

Warner and he son in dis pic...like dey giving Brigo some competition boy.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: darrel3000 on January 04, 2006, 03:34:30 AM
Despite what you may think or feel of Jack Warner, he has been the one constant in T&T football for decades now. The one steward of T&T football to the greatness it has become. He has in fact done more for T&T football than any other single individual, and whilst this is by no means an endorsement of the man, it is in fact an endorsement of the football executive he IS. GIVE JACK HE JACKET!

Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

But by all means, please continue to question his motives and agendas. BUT GIVE JACK HE JACKET! 
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: firebun on January 04, 2006, 05:14:01 AM
All i have to say is all he have done for TT football "if its all true" interms of money and everything else  is now time to pay de DEVIL :devil: :devil:

 Garcia, School eh start back yet?

Go see about doing something about dat GPA!

Jack lying again!
Once again he go chain up some with dat bullshit talk..but he cyar hi-jack me!

Come better dan dat yuh is ah liar!

CAN YOU PROVE THAT HE IS LYING??

Can you prove he telling de trute?

He bulling you or what?

What shit yuh asking, like yuh f**king eye full ah yampee?  Yuh cyar read thru de lies and de inconsistiences?

Steups!

Yuh should change yuh name from Pointman to pointless moo-moo!

Yuh must be have ah very mechanical mind. Too bad yuh forget to wind it up dis morning!!

Steups.

Levae me alone with yuh shit eh!

seriously.


 :rotfl: :rotfl:
all yuh go bus mih belly yes :rotfl:

Pointman, even a 2 year old could prove he lying.  u is Warner ugly son or wha! :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Sam on January 04, 2006, 05:36:30 AM
De only Jacket Jack getting is a straight Jacket....

He is a mad man, and did not defend himself,,,, he rail road de questions and allegations against him and make one big release with nothing solid trying to get personal with Lasana and railroad de questions......

As I said, the government should not give the TTFF one black cent, let Jack spen he money and keep what ever profit he make, because it will be his investiment. Let the government give de players and coach a bonus incentive and thats it..

If Jack retire after de world cup, I hope he take his debt with him, because he will leave us suffering. And I also hope Camps, Gorden, Corneal and O' Connor resign with him also..... He will leave us in a deep deep hole....

Jack Warner is only about Jack Warner, he will like you, but you have to be a yes man. He is a crook at a very high standard..

I hope they dismantle the TTFF after the world cup and also investigate FIFA big man Mr S.Blatter...

Imagine de poor men who has supported the T&T team when they were zero cant even buy a ticket to go Germany because Jack thief all and give it to his son to sell at Simpauls Travel for an outragous price.

Flex most of all,,,,, and,,,,, Tallman should atleast get a free ticket.... they do more for T&T football that benefits the media and players from years to years and get no appreciation for it from the TTFF and players...... I begg Jack to give them especially Flex a ticket and in every conversion we have he never reply instead he rail road de question..... He is a smart man, he so smart I feel one day he might out-smart himself...
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Trini_fan on January 04, 2006, 06:28:45 AM
Despite what you may think or feel of Jack Warner, he has been the one constant in T&T football for decades now. The one steward of T&T football to the greatness it has become. He has in fact done more for T&T football than any other single individual, and whilst this is by no means an endorsement of the man, it is in fact an endorsement of the football executive he IS. GIVE JACK HE JACKET!

Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

But by all means, please continue to question his motives and agendas. BUT GIVE JACK HE JACKET! 

How can you still say that in light of the recent allegations? What is the greatness T&T football has become if there are national players who still taking maxi? No proper system of getting a ticket for a game? Do we have a semblance of a youth team?

Steups >:(

All i have to say is.......it was nice knowing you, make sure and tell yuh friends about Soca Warriors.net.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: weary1969 on January 04, 2006, 06:32:14 AM
Darrell3000

It is people like you that has Jack where he is. He has done what he has done to line he Maureen, Daryan and Darren pocket. It is not the US gov't that spend millions of their tax payers money on Sport. It is up to the Private Sector but who in the private sector would be involve withthese bunch of crooks. Yes corporate TNT is stingy but the fact that crooks like Jack in charge ain't helping.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Marlon on January 04, 2006, 07:04:06 AM
Look Jack is ah liar and ah tief..........everybody should know dat by now.

Allyuh now realising dat de whole effort to qualify fuh de world cup was to full he own pocket. jack have bigger motives. and even ah child cudda see through all he efforts. it was ah investment.

is ah shame tho, that on we first qualification fuh de big stage, all this shameful nonesense from big big men in de society. roger boynes need to get off he f**king arse and contribute something too.

talk about setting examples for youths. ::)

Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: lihalquay on January 04, 2006, 07:14:24 AM
I don't think anybody in Trinidad can escape blame.  We still see sports as a leisure activity.  We don't see it as a business and getting people to come on board is very difficult.  We are willing to wait and sit back and see other people get invovle and depending on how it goes we either sit on the side saying how it should be done or jump on the bandwagon.  I will never forget when George Bovell won bronze at the Olympics myriads of companies were 'congratulating him'  the newspapers, clearly using the opportunity to advertise their company and if it was not for big -mouth Anil threatening to sue, they would not have stopped.
So allowing Jack Warner to run football the show for so long has made him who he is.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 04, 2006, 07:20:38 AM
I don't think anybody in Trinidad can escape blame.  We still see sports as a leisure activity.  We don't see it as a business and getting people to come on board is very difficult.  We are willing to wait and sit back and see other people get invovle and depending on how it goes we either sit on the side saying how it should be done or jump on the bandwagon.  I will never forget when George Bovell won bronze at the Olympics myriads of companies were 'congratulating him'  the newspapers, clearly using the opportunity to advertise their company and if it was not for big -mouth Anil threatening to sue, they would not have stopped.
So allowing Jack Warner to run football the show for so long has made him who he is.


Again, you are missing the main point!  Yes the T&T people are not as sporting as many feel!  BUT, JAck has manipulated the TTFF and changed the CONSTITUTION to ensure the survival of not only himself but OLLIE CAMPS as well.

There is much more sinister happenings in the TTFF dan yuh aware of.

Jack Warenr was walking away...well so he say and den in a well timded press release he had OLLIE camps come and say if Jack walks away we go have to paY HE millions in loans back and how de TTFF broke etc.

Yet when it comes to broadcast rights dfe TTFF doh get nutten but ah token and jack buying dem fuh $1.00 UD?

steups.   who go get involved in dat shit?

OPen yuh eyes anbd stop guessing.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: JDB on January 04, 2006, 07:40:21 AM
Despite what you may think or feel of Jack Warner, he has been the one constant in T&T football for decades now. The one steward of T&T football to the greatness it has become. 

Please describe or define this greatness that we have become...

The TTFF has a president who is a deaf mute.

The TTFF has no money and is millions of dollars in debt

We qualify for the WC, have a world cup draw, know where and when we playing and the TTFF wants us to believe that they do not know: how many tickets we will get; or when we will get these tickets

A representative of the TTFF went to a press conference and get into a shouting match with the media like is two man in rum shop.

Are these the features of a GREAT organization?
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: lihalquay on January 04, 2006, 07:48:55 AM
I am getting a bit annoyed at you. I agree that no one wants to get jump on board a  'sinking ship filled with rats' but if you ALLOW someone to have free reign of course they are going to solidfy their power, especially if their actions are not above board. That is a given. You are saying that it is because of what the TTFF is NOW no one will get involved.  I am saying it is the TRINI mentality NOT to GET INVOLVE PERIOD!!!!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 04, 2006, 08:08:13 AM
I am getting a bit annoyed at you. I agree that no one wants to get jump on board a  'sinking ship filled with rats' but if you ALLOW someone to have free reign of course they are going to solidfy their power, especially if their actions are not above board. That is a given. You are saying that it is because of what the TTFF is NOW no one will get involved.  I am saying it is the TRINI mentality NOT to GET INVOLVE PERIOD!!!!

Well I happen to disagree.  The ship is full of rats as you say...and rats carry communicable diseases.  Time to clen the ship's hold of the rats.

There is a time for everything.   The FIFA laws prevent governmental involvement.  If the Government were to get involved the TTFF and subsequently all T&T teams will be barred from ALL competitions!

JAck solidified his power.  Is it a trini mentality dat helped Papa Doc secure his power?  Saddam Hussein?  No it is careful planning, purges and collobartion with those who hold power.

Now is the time to do something and not to co plain bout trini mentality.

I hope dis clears up my p[osition???
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Observer on January 04, 2006, 08:20:32 AM
I don't think anybody in Trinidad can escape blame.  We still see sports as a leisure activity.  We don't see it as a business and getting people to come on board is very difficult.  We are willing to wait and sit back and see other people get invovle and depending on how it goes we either sit on the side saying how it should be done or jump on the bandwagon.  I will never forget when George Bovell won bronze at the Olympics myriads of companies were 'congratulating him'  the newspapers, clearly using the opportunity to advertise their company and if it was not for big -mouth Anil threatening to sue, they would not have stopped.
So allowing Jack Warner to run football the show for so long has made him who he is.



Very True! But you are stating the obvious. he has run T&T Football since the mid 70's and continues to do so.
The constitution of the TTFF has been revised so Camps can never be voted out, which allows Warner total control. What Warner has done is place the TTFF in his debt for ever. They rent offices from him, he owns the bus transport which they utilize etc. Moneys spent by Warner on T&T Football is a LOAN, which TTFF pays off by simply passing on the $250,000.00 US they receive from FIFA to Mr. Warner. Consequently when through Warners help T&T got the U17 WC Warner controlled the whole operation and made millions off Stadium contracts, consessions, Internet etc etc. Do you know that the Internet contract that went to Warners son for the U17's, was never actrually hooked up in the Dwight Yorke Stadium in Tobago. So in theory the pocketed the $30,000. US for that one hook up.

Inflation of the budget for the WC qualification games is another example of how money was simply pocketed.
claiming that it cost $150000US for the Panama game in Panama, is a gross inflation on actual cost. I have stated here before just look at the books for the USA. their entire budget for running their Whole operation including facilities, referees, all National teams (male, female, youth,) the Academy in Florida etc etc . is 32 million US. Yet Warner is asking for 30 million US just to prepare a team for the WC

The Government and the private businesses are quite aware of this and are reluctant to throw in their money. After all their contribution is not a LOAN. Neither can they simply ask for accountability on the funds, because once Government enters the picture, FIFA steps in with a threat of banning the association.

Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: ballfever on January 04, 2006, 11:09:50 AM
dis is ballfever playin devil's advocate....again :devil:
Boynes an d boys want tuh play dey takin high ground....no budget, no money.
allyuh tink dey go take high ground an say dat JW as a special advisor cyah talk for d ttff, an dey want tuh hear dah refusal ah money from d president mout himself?

WHERE IS OLIVER CAMPS?????
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: maxg on January 04, 2006, 11:13:40 AM
dis is ballfever playin devil's advocate....again :devil:
Boynes an d boys want tuh play dey takin high ground....no budget, no money.
allyuh tink dey go take high ground an say dat JW as a special advisor cyah talk for d ttff, an dey want tuh hear dah refusal ah money from d president mout himself?

WHERE IS OLIVER CAMPS?????
"WE DOH WHA GO THERE"     :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: ribbit on January 04, 2006, 11:32:18 AM
Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

this is a good point. JW is so big now that no single trini or organization wants to battle him. on the world stage in FIFA however, JW could meet his match. too bad FIFA has the same accountability problems as TTFF....
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Mr Mc on January 04, 2006, 12:31:17 PM
Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

this is a good point. JW is so big now that no single trini or organization wants to battle him. on the world stage in FIFA however, JW could meet his match. too bad FIFA has the same accountability problems as TTFF....

maybe if someone else stepped up, with more accountablility, and transparency they govt and corporate Trini might be more willing to invest their money. Maybe just Maybe that because its Jack that folks are not so willing to fork over millions of dollars and hope that it gets where it has to go and not straight into his bank account.

All this money Jack bawling he spend over the years, ask him how much he has made as a result of being in the position he is in.
I wonder if Adidas give him a lil something.
I wonder if a nation wanting to host a World Cup or youth tournament will give him a lil someting for his vote(s)

yuh really feel he been doing all of this out of the goodness of his heart?
If that was true he would be dead broke.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Baygo Boy on January 04, 2006, 03:56:09 PM
Law suit my ass. Where is Camps in all this. Warner making all these preps for T&T. Warner putting together budget, Warner going to London to finalize T&T prep, Warner this, Warner that. This is not the TTFF is the JWFF. I am totally fed up with Warner and his puppet master apporach to OUR football, and have absolutely no confidence in him and our federation.

Football is supposed to be about the players and the fans, but all I am hearing is about Jack Warner and the TTFF, we need another coup, where is the  :devil:  when yuh need him.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: dumpalewie on January 04, 2006, 04:19:09 PM
Despite what you may think or feel of Jack Warner, he has been the one constant in T&T football for decades now. The one steward of T&T football to the greatness it has become. He has in fact done more for T&T football than any other single individual, and whilst this is by no means an endorsement of the man, it is in fact an endorsement of the football executive he IS. GIVE JACK HE JACKET!

Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

But by all means, please continue to question his motives and agendas. BUT GIVE JACK HE JACKET! 
Yuh father is still ah ole tief!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 04, 2006, 04:50:09 PM
Despite what you may think or feel of Jack Warner, he has been the one constant in T&T football for decades now. The one steward of T&T football to the greatness it has become. He has in fact done more for T&T football than any other single individual, and whilst this is by no means an endorsement of the man, it is in fact an endorsement of the football executive he IS. GIVE JACK HE JACKET!

Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

But by all means, please continue to question his motives and agendas. BUT GIVE JACK HE JACKET! 
Yuh father is still ah ole tief!!!!!!!!!!

allyuh good oui.  how yuh so sure dat is warner son boy?
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Trini_fan on January 04, 2006, 05:27:07 PM
Despite what you may think or feel of Jack Warner, he has been the one constant in T&T football for decades now. The one steward of T&T football to the greatness it has become. He has in fact done more for T&T football than any other single individual, and whilst this is by no means an endorsement of the man, it is in fact an endorsement of the football executive he IS. GIVE JACK HE JACKET!

Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

But by all means, please continue to question his motives and agendas. BUT GIVE JACK HE JACKET! 
Yuh father is still ah ole tief!!!!!!!!!!

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: well this board is pure kicks
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: Pointman on January 05, 2006, 07:56:45 AM
Until someone else is willing, much less able, to step up and put his money ( and life) where his mouth is, JW is the person to continue stewarding T&T football.

this is a good point. JW is so big now that no single trini or organization wants to battle him. on the world stage in FIFA however, JW could meet his match. too bad FIFA has the same accountability problems as TTFF....

my sentiments exactly
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: ICharles on January 05, 2006, 12:23:33 PM

Two points:-
[1] I hope we are learning about the stupidity that back stabbing and unreasonable back bench chatter causes.  The most important point the man make is that while he really supposed to be making critical preparations for Trinidad's World Cup appearance instead he in Trinidad filing report with people who should be put in jail and hung.  They couldn't wait until after the World Cup to go after the man, so if when the team get there and they have to sleep on the floor with rats, they cannot blame him.

[2] After a healthy reading of Jack Warner's statement and perusing the responses on socawarior.net my beliefs are now being given a refresher on the astounding truth of the bitterness, resentment and confounding ignorance and illiteracy of the Trinidad and Tobago populace.  What a sad time for the nation and the world in such historic moments.  Now I could easily understand the prevalence of crime existing in Trinidad and Tobago but it's entire presence on the whole.

LESSON LEARNT
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AFTER FEEDING THE DONKEY WATER BE CAREFUL IT COME BACK AND KICK YOU.
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: FF on January 05, 2006, 12:34:24 PM
Ikehinde.... you cannot read and comprehend but yuh calling people illiterate and ignorant

1. What is the roll of Oliver Camps? Shouldn't he be the one making de critical preparations for the World Cup? Doh talk no assness...

2. Go back and look at all Jack Warner has said from December 9th till now and compare to what he has said in his speech...
EVERYTHING is contrary.... so is he being honest? was he ever honest? Which statements were the truth?

When would you like there to be an inquiry? After de World Cup? Just like they had an inquiry after the Nov 19th debacle? Whatever happen of that?

Ask yuhself these questions... read and comprehend and yuh might see de light.....
Title: Re: Warner's Address - A response to the allegations
Post by: truetrini on January 05, 2006, 06:13:26 PM
FF, there is NO ONE AS BLIND as the fool who eh want to see, and no one as deaf as de fool who eh want tuh hear.

Why should we continously cast our pearls before swine?

Let de deafies and de dummies bray!

heee haw
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