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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Sam on September 06, 2009, 06:23:17 AM
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Clearly Latapy have no idea what he's doing. And part of it has to do with the limitations he have to pick on certain players if that is the case.
Furthermore, he does not believe in warm up games and go into important game blinded.
If I was the TTFF I would have fired him after the USA game. He does not have the experience, ideas of a modern coach, tactical ability and the knowledge to lead as a motivator.
As Flex pointed out.
Collin Samuel scored against Costa Rica and never played for T&T again.
Hayden Tinto scored against Mexico, a place T&T never scored a goal and was never use again, until yesterday when we was already in a hole.
Khaleem Hyland scored against Honduras and was never used again. I know he got parden because of under 20 duties.
Marvin Andrews is not the player he use to be, as I said in my last post and man pointed out Abu was just as slow. Not to mention Andrews seems below confident. Why wasn't Keyeno Thomas used ?
Imagine Andrews slow and Abu Bakr just as slow and Latapy start both of them against the fastest team in the HEX.
Imagine I saw Trent Noel twice, maybe three times whole game.
Imagine Keon Daniel still on T&T team. He has so much potential, but he mentally weak and is a let down to T&T. If Latapy was smart, Jlloyd should play on the LEFT WING and drop Daniel all together vs USA with Keston coming in left back. We need to win and must take chances. Even Aklie Edwards could play a better left wing that Daniel. I think Daniel needs a wake up call or move him to CENTER....
Silvio Spann prove to me why he play in the English conference league. But he still better than Theobald.
Edwards prove why he cant make the grade in the EPL for the weakest team. But ah still like him becuase I know he is a big baller with a fright of injury.
Jones need to use his size, height and speed to his advantage, having a built to be a TOP footballer and not having the brain to go with it is a bad thing. He like Socapro, he big, black and strong, but he totie small.
Glen should be a SUPER SUB.... !!!!! talk done. He fits that bill perfectly.
Theobald should resign from playing international football. Another Kerwin Jemmott, wasted talent and will only realise he good or could have been when he close to retirement.
Latapy have Hughton Hector on de bench and he bring on Lyndon Andrews. We need to attack to take de pressure of, not look for pocession, we was losing 4-0 already.
Jloyd look very good and real good going foward too, I hope we use him on the wing and call up Avery John.
We need another good keeper who could put pressure on Ince. And Ince needs to stop winning on de field, he needs to be calm and motivate the youths around him more, he start bawling and get the players around him nervous.
All these problems could have been seen if we had play some warm up games.
In we last game vs Honduras they control de midfield and Latapy gone again and play a weaker midfield this time around.
Why fix something if it not broken. The midfield is the brain of a team and a midfield general of all people should know this.
We are the laughing stock of CONCACAF.
I say, if we lucky, USA might hit we 3. And they will score a goal in the first 15 mins, its a tradition when they play T&T.
But if Latapy pick the right team, we could surprise them, either way, good by 2010. I guess we not going back to Africa and de Indians not going back India. We are all Trinbago !!!
Imagine if it didn't have a blacklist. We would have been almost there already.
Jack
Gray, Lawrence, Thomas, Avery
Edwards, Birchall, Hyland, Jlloyd
Collin, Jones
My line up for USA only BECAUSE Latapy call a tame team
Ince
Spann, Thomas, Lawrence, Keston
Edwards, Noel, Hector, Jlloyd
Baptiste, Jones
Imagine, we most attacking player playing right back in a must win game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
De only man who can change the game (Carlos Edwards) and Latapy have him in right back.
Latapy is an asshole coach.
Imagine Cyd Gray is still we BEST right back and they not even calling him back because of a personal vendetta Jack Warner have against him. Same with Avery John !!!!
Latapy is an asshole coach.
He following a CLOWN !!!!!!!
Stand up asshole, tell Jack who you need and call them, is your ass on de line bro.
Who getting stick now !
You might lose they job now !
Not Jack Warner, he will be here forever.
Yes, the players have to take balme too. But who pick the players
Who pick the starting team
Who pick/make the subs
Who suppose to prepare a team
Who stand on the side line and see the entire game and capable of changing it, certainly not the players
Who gets the players physically and mentally ready
Who trains them
Who motivates them when they are down as the case vs Honduras, one goal and the team fell apart
Players get pick to play their game, coaches get pick to bring players together and play as a unit
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail !!! and we deserve everything happening to us
Since Latapy took over we played one friendly game and almost lost to a no name team (St Kitts). Latapy himself say friendly games dont mean a thing, like he trying to make his reputation look good because he dont want to get embarrass by some small team.
How much caps does a player for a coach to realise he cant make the grade.
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Yes, the players have to take balme too. But who pick the players
Who pick the starting team
Who pick/make the subs
Who suppose to prepare a team
Who stand on the side line and see the entire game and capable of changing it, certainly not the players
Who gets the players physically and mentally ready
Who trains them
Who motivates them when they are down as the case vs Honduras, one goal and the team fell apart
Players get pick to play their game, coaches get pick to bring players together and play as a unit
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail !!! and we deserve everything happening to us
Since Latapy took over we played one friendly game and almost lost to a no name team (St Kitts). Latapy himself say friendly games dont mean a thing, like he trying to make his reputation look good because he dont want to get embarrass by some small team.
How much caps does a player for a coach to realise he cant make the grade.
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latapy should have played a 5 man mid
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Duh...of course Latas have to shoulder ah lot of the blame he is the Coach....he made the wrong choices with the starting team and it was all downhill from there...Theobold,Andrews , Daniel ...the subs he used ...who made them decisions??...the team or Latas...ah love the man but that was some suspect decisions.
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Duh...of course Latas have to shoulder ah lot of the blame he is the Coach....he made the wrong choices with the starting team and it was all downhill from there...Theobold,Andrews , Daniel ...the subs he used ...who made them decisions??...the team or Latas...ah love the man but that was some suspect decisions.
this would be my team for Wed.
Ince
Spann, Thomas,Bakr, Jlloyd
Tinto, Carlos ,Noel, Hector
Baptiste, Jones
Or
Ince
Spann, Thomas,Bakr, Jlloyd
Carlos ,Noel, Scotland, Tinto
Baptiste, Jones
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Duh...of course Latas have to shoulder ah lot of the blame he is the Coach....he made the wrong choices with the starting team and it was all downhill from there...Theobold,Andrews , Daniel ...the subs he used ...who made them decisions??...the team or Latas...ah love the man but that was some suspect decisions.
Based on what I just see this would be my team for Wed.
Ince
Spann, Thomas,Bakr, Jlloyd
Tinto, Carlos ,Noel, Hector
Baptiste, Jones
i like this team... except i wud start glen an use jones as a sub if necessary. i prefer edwards in d right back position but fuh some reason he was rel ineffective las nite.
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Pretty much allyuh know that with the exception of one or two players our players are being recycled
and are all consistently bad ....the alternative is to bring bad experienced players who in TT are normally past their prime or bring up green ones who when thrown in to the fire only a few float and most sink either way
there is no easy way! The 2006 squad is a better squad because not only of the talent level but at the time those players were also in decent shape and collectively they were fighters Marvin , Avery , Cyd, tallest , Whitley , Yorke , Birchy, Carlos , Kenwyn (back then), stern the most criticized man used to thrive on people beating him down Latas the magician ... I mean cmon now we feel we could use these same players who are older, less fit because our young pups can't step up to the fight...when last have we had a player to compare the Whitley's level when we played against Bahrain or a player to play at Carlos' and Glen's level during the world cup , or a player to lead like Old man Yorke or a player to come on in the last twenty mins of a world cup and light it up like they coach......players have to step up and they are not doing it ... men talking bout this player and that player Colin Samuel came on vs Costa Rica as a midfielder and scored did nothing else didn't create when the truth is we needed two more goals to win one goals doh mean yuh wok done there is no consistency of effort with this guy and there hasn't been for a long long time, he didn't bring in a cross no ah lie I believe he bring in two very poor crosses ... we still loss , Avery played hard but the defense still concede three goals, Roberts played well for TT but I've seen games that despite the effort he was still ineffective and easily pushed off the ball. Julius in my mind is talented but realistically struggles in the MLS he needs time to find his footing if he struggling vs Chicago fire what yuh think Pavon and Suazo go do him .... men simply have to wait their turn ....! This team now will always struggle because they waiting for somebody to say I will do it rather than look to themselves its a bunch of followers not leaders but who will we call to replace them .... who! Character does this not talent!
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I have now view. I did not see the game. I was at the Brooklyn taking in the panorama for the first time. Quite imoressive.
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Yes Latas have some blame to take, but if he picked players who not tested at this level (Julius) he will get stick, for picking untried players, once coach pick Keyeno, another pick Marvin, people complain either way..
To prove how minded we are , allyuh saying we should have gotten rid of Latas after the USA game, and he was not even the coach then..
Clearly Latapy have no idea what he's doing. And part of it has to do with the limitations he have to pick on certain players if that is the case.
Furthermore, he does not believe in warm up games and go into important game blinded.
If I was the TTFF I would have fired him after the USA game. He does not have the experience, ideas of a modern coach, tactical ability and the knowledge to lead as a motivator.
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I have now view. I did not see the game. I was at the Brooklyn taking in the panorama for the first time. Quite imoressive.
Deeks, like yuh shaking off ah sleep ...
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Ngozi and everyone on this forum,
Please don't bring up player fitness in any argument again. This journey started since when, last year! And we talking about players fitness. Them guys as fit as all them other guys in the Hex. Fitness is NOT an issue. Speed, strength and SKILL, yes.
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sam it eh have much in yuh 1st post dey dat I disagree with nah. It easy to be a after the fact coach - JC geh cuss up fuh bein' unpatriotic when he take a stan b4 the match. I believe it was Flex during the game, from the earlies, say we good fuh bout 4....I respec dat, not men who wah come now and rant and rave down de place. Buh Jloyd ent look to bad man, goin forward especially. I wah see the carlos 4 right back crew...it might b too late for carlos to learn any more new tricks and maybe somebody should really make dat man go in the savannah and cross whole day everyday, b/c daiz the only ting missin from he winger play. I tink even spann woulda do a better job. cyd gray get some kinda life cripplin disease or wha? where he gone? I troubled by the fact that chubby end up on a field, and latapy post game comments on how the youths not up to standard...buh yuh go friggin bring back chubby and andrews. well, sometimes we jus have to accept that we ent dat deep. Honduras lookin good I tink the top 4 will represent concacaf well in the WC - I doh even want we to carry this sh!t we playin to no world cup an collect no 19 from italy or nuttin like dat. nutting goin an change between now and nex summer. we good right here. look how ah rantin ..lol...ah now see why them other posters doin' it too.
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Duh...of course Latas have to shoulder ah lot of the blame he is the Coach....he made the wrong choices with the starting team and it was all downhill from there...Theobold,Andrews , Daniel ...the subs he used ...who made them decisions??...the team or Latas...ah love the man but that was some suspect decisions.
Based on what I just see this would be my team for Wed.
Ince
Spann, Thomas,Bakr, Jlloyd
Tinto, Carlos ,Noel, Hector
Baptiste, Jones
i like this team... except i wud start glen an use jones as a sub if necessary. i prefer edwards in d right back position but fuh some reason he was rel ineffective las nite.
Girl I was now about to ask why we picking constantly keep putting Jones in our line ups...how much goals he score for T&T in this campaign again??....Look Jones, and ah know yuh reading dis >:(, pack you bags and go back to Sunderland nah....thanks but ah fed up!!...
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Imagine Keon Daniel still on T&T team. He has so much potential, but he mentally weak and is a let down to T&T. If Latapy was smart, Jlloyd should play on the LEFT WING and drop Daniel all together vs USA with Keston coming in left back. We need to win and must take chances. Aklie could play a better left wing. I think Daniel needs a wake up call or move him to CENTER....
I still doh know why we keep putting him on the wing.... :-\
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Ngozi and everyone on this forum,
Please don't bring up player fitness in any argument again. This journey started since when, last year! And we talking about players fitness. Them guys as fit as all them other guys in the Hex. Fitness is NOT an issue. Speed, strength and SKILL, yes.
I agree fitness is not the main problem now...is frickin skill, speed,strength and HEART....ability to play to your potential every time you set foot on the field...everybody know Skilla is ah baller....but again he dont do Sh!t on the field when it counts...he should be benched until he step up and show he show he deserve to be on the field. Dog should retire from International football he is a turtle at this point...Yorke recognize that he hurting the team...Latas woulda probably still play him...thank God Yorkie see that he not helping at this point....Lawrence should be a sub pick because he too is suspect...but watch Wednesday he go start...Coach needs to grow some balls and bench these men and see if it makes a difference...No reason that C. Samuel shouldnt be able to make this team or even be on the bench...Tinto is fast and good at running at players but he has no cross ...so I dont see him and Glen on the field at the same time.... same type of player..Scotland has Gr8 vision and makes good passes maybe he can be in the midfield???...not sure neva seen him play there..Bottom line.. shit eh working now so make BIG changes and shake up the team!!!...again Theobold is ah SHITHOUND!!!....Friend thing gotta stop!!!
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Ngozi and everyone on this forum,
Please don't bring up player fitness in any argument again. This journey started since when, last year! And we talking about players fitness. Them guys as fit as all them other guys in the Hex. Fitness is NOT an issue. Speed, strength and SKILL, yes.
Yes sir .... done!
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Duh...of course Latas have to shoulder ah lot of the blame he is the Coach....he made the wrong choices with the starting team and it was all downhill from there...Theobold,Andrews , Daniel ...the subs he used ...who made them decisions??...the team or Latas...ah love the man but that was some suspect decisions.
Based on what I just see this would be my team for Wed.
Ince
Spann, Thomas,Bakr, Jlloyd
Tinto, Carlos ,Noel, Hector
Baptiste, Jones
i like this team... except i wud start glen an use jones as a sub if necessary. i prefer edwards in d right back position but fuh some reason he was rel ineffective las nite.
Girl I was now about to ask why we picking constantly keep putting Jones in our line ups...how much goals he score for T&T in this campaign again??....Look Jones, and ah know yuh reading dis >:(, pack you bags and go back to Sunderland nah....thanks but ah fed up!!...
:devil: :devil: :devil:
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Ngozi and everyone on this forum,
Please don't bring up player fitness in any argument again. This journey started since when, last year! And we talking about players fitness. Them guys as fit as all them other guys in the Hex. Fitness is NOT an issue. Speed, strength and SKILL, yes.
I agree fitness is not the main problem now...is frickin skill, speed,strength and HEART....ability to play to your potential every time you set foot on the field...everybody know Skilla is ah baller....but again he dont do Sh!t on the field when it counts...he should be benched until he step up and show he show he deserve to be on the field. Dog should retire from International football he is a turtle at this point...Yorke recognize that he hurting the team...Latas woulda probably still play him...thank God Yorkie see that he not helping at this point....Lawrence should be a sub pick because he too is suspect...but watch Wednesday he go start...Coach needs to grow some balls and bench these men and see if it makes a difference...No reason that C. Samuel shouldnt be able to make this team or even be on the bench...Tinto is fast and good at running at players but he has no cross ...so I dont see him and Glen on the field at the same time.... same type of player..Scotland has Gr8 vision and makes good passes maybe he can be in the midfield???...not sure neva seen him play there..Bottom line.. shit eh working now so make BIG changes and shake up the team!!!...again Theobold is ah SHITHOUND!!!....Friend thing gotta stop!!!
just so i cud be absolutely clear let me ask: who exactly latas pickin as a result of frenism? ??? who? bleeder?
cuz if bleeder is who allyuh judgin dis frenism ting on, den u have to remember dat las nite was d first time he get a sweat since latas is coach. an as somebody point out yesterday, who else he cuda put? birchall was out injured.
so again i askin,an i bein very genuine, no bulls**t, who latas pickin based on frenism?
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Collin Samuel scored against Costa Rica and never played for T&T again.
Hayden Tinto scored against Mexico, a place T&T never scored a goal and was never use again, until yesterday when we was already in a hole.
Khaleem Hyland scored against Honduras and was never used again. I know he got parden because of under 20 duties.
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I feeling bad for Kerry Baptiste might get added to Latapy's blacklist of if you score you wont get picked...Glen get away
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Ngozi and everyone on this forum,
Please don't bring up player fitness in any argument again. This journey started since when, last year! And we talking about players fitness. Them guys as fit as all them other guys in the Hex. Fitness is NOT an issue. Speed, strength and SKILL, yes.
I agree fitness is not the main problem now...is frickin skill, speed,strength and HEART....ability to play to your potential every time you set foot on the field...everybody know Skilla is ah baller....but again he dont do Sh!t on the field when it counts...he should be benched until he step up and show he show he deserve to be on the field. Dog should retire from International football he is a turtle at this point...Yorke recognize that he hurting the team...Latas woulda probably still play him...thank God Yorkie see that he not helping at this point....Lawrence should be a sub pick because he too is suspect...but watch Wednesday he go start...Coach needs to grow some balls and bench these men and see if it makes a difference...No reason that C. Samuel shouldnt be able to make this team or even be on the bench...Tinto is fast and good at running at players but he has no cross ...so I dont see him and Glen on the field at the same time.... same type of player..Scotland has Gr8 vision and makes good passes maybe he can be in the midfield???...not sure neva seen him play there..Bottom line.. shit eh working now so make BIG changes and shake up the team!!!...again Theobold is ah SHITHOUND!!!....Friend thing gotta stop!!!
just so i cud be absolutely clear let me ask: who exactly latas pickin as a result of frenism? ??? who? bleeder?
cuz if bleeder is who allyuh judgin dis frenism ting on, den u have to remember dat las nite was d first time he get a sweat since latas is coach. an as somebody point out yesterday, who else he cuda put? birchall was out injured.
so again i askin,an i bein very genuine, no bulls**t, who latas pickin based on frenism?
DOG and Theobold!!!!!....Friendism.....Theobold has been a sh!thound from the beginning...Birchall injured had nuthin to do with that pick cause he and Noel neva usually on the field at the same time...Hyland should have been in the mix then go out to the Under 20 team or Hector shoulda start....Latas need to make the right decisions based on performance not on emotional ties....end of story ...this isnt ah frickin FETE match!!!
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Collin Samuel scored against Costa Rica and never played for T&T again.
Hayden Tinto scored against Mexico, a place T&T never scored a goal and was never use again, until yesterday when we was already in a hole.
Khaleem Hyland scored against Honduras and was never used again. I know he got parden because of under 20 duties.
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I feeling bad for Kerry Baptiste might get added to Latapy's blacklist of if you score you wont get picked...Glen get away
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all ent easy oui
a new twist on the saying
"The agony of de feet" :D
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Man the title of this post is misleading. This is non other than a head-hunter post. Dam. Just like some f**kin trinis.
and I mean Trinidadians here. Tobagonians can take more pressure by the shear nature of having been an underdog themselves for years.
I will however give my views since that is what the title says...
Ince - Was very shakey on the night and almost directly let in the first 2 goals. Worst performance in de colors recently.
Abu bakr - Is not the fastest dude on the block but he is a talent for the future. Will probably need a speedy first stopper to play alongside...
Lloyd samuel - Had a good first showing. Have meh wondering if he could play midfield.
Marvin Andrews - Tried his best at his age and level. Thanks Marvin. Hard luck on the slip.
Carlos Edwards - Played out of position to try and contain Honduras. Like we forget Honduras have de fastest feet in Concacaf.
Trent Noel - Was there to make timely interceptions and tackles. almost Yorkish but not much passing to his game. Needs to be involved more.
Spaan - Im not sure what part of the field he should play.. dont think after this campaign that they will retain his services.
Theobald - Obviously stuck in there to try and replace Birchall. Birchall as much flack as he gets here, was missed last night. Theobald not one for the future but birchall still might be.
Keon Daniel - The modern game has passed this chap by. Unless TnT employs the "center link"/ magician style of play where he is the magician...this kid wont be effective.
KJ - Obviously de man have talent but I believe we should give up on that style of play which holds up the ball or simply glances it on and instead go for speedy wingers (Tinto and ??) and mobile forwards (Glen and Baptiste)
KJ off de bench as the need arises.
Glen - Made a big effort on my part. Not sure if he is a starter but that may only be because TnT does have to play half a game to get going which is when he is needed the most.
SUBS...
Chubby- I think he was brought on, to the surprise of everyone, to try and keep possession of the ball. In addition for his non caring, non star struck mentality. A team is just another team. Obviously not one for the future. Good of him to be able to play at this level still.
Tinto - Cant wait to see this kid on de field all the time but just as Dwight was a sub in de strike squad so too will tinto have to wait his turn. A shining light that is ahead of his squad for 2014.
Kerry Baptiste - It will be a shame if this kid doesnt get a chance to play inh the next WC. I feel that he would have been a good addition to last nights startin line up and its one of the bones i have to pick with Latas.
Latas - Should some inexperience. Before I go flying off de deep end I will keep all things in perspective. I will try to understand the subs used and what the opposition was bringing at the time. I still havent seen what another coach could have done better so Im stickin with Latas.
Dwight - Who knows his input. I know Id like him to remain in his position as well. If these boys turn out to be coaches... we would have had one of the best forwards and midfielders training our youths. Priceless.
To Honduras... Had TnT taken the one or two timely chances... the game could have changed. Football is not static. Shit changes in the blink of an eye. Our teams need a physco-therapist on the line and in the dressin rooms as well. Kudos to Honduras because they showed exactly how a home team is supposed to play. Hopefully we can achieve the same in our home games. They gave a commanding performance and should be applauded.
Having said that we coulda still buss dey ass. Latas will have to continue to think out the box to inspire our youths because Keon Daniel is a prime example of the slowness of thought and action that plagues us as a society.
99.0% literacy rate. Everyone in TnT smart but we slow to act. Always been. We take things sitting down. We could learn a thing or two from our counterparts the Jamaicians or the Haitians to a lesser extent. We need more mental power to be a force. MENTALLY WEAK WE ARE. Mental Fortitude we need. From the Administration all the way down to the players. More fire we need.
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I like yuh post overall....
I will however give my views since that is what the title says...
Ince - Was very shakey on the night and almost directly let in the first 2 goals. Worst performance in de colors recently.
You can say that again...I eh know nah, hero in one game, zero the next. But it also reminded me of why I always had my doubts about him a while back. He redeemded himself, to me, with his recent performances but ah eh know wha happen last night dread...ah confused, confused.. ??? :-\
Abu bakr - Is not the fastest dude on the block but he is a talent for the future. Will probably need a speedy first stopper to play alongside...
Been saying that since the Mexico game....
Marvin Andrews - Tried his best at his age and level. Thanks Marvin. Hard luck on the slip.
Uuuuummmm Weary ah know is yuh boy....but.....when yuh gots to go, yuh gots to go...thanks Dog...but....
Spaan - Im not sure what part of the field he should play.. dont think after this campaign that they will retain his services.
Why we retaining he services for the rest of the campaign again??...Oh yeah, we eh going nowhere anyhow so he might as well stay.... ::)
Theobald - Obviously stuck in there to try and replace Birchall. Birchall as much flack as he gets here, was missed last night. Theobald not one for the future but birchall still might be.
Theobald....sssssttttteeeeuuuuuppppssss!!!!..
Keon Daniel - The modern game has passed this chap by. Unless TnT employs the "center link"/ magician style of play where he is the magician...this kid wont be effective.
So why he's constantly being played seemingly out of position is beyond me.....
KJ - Obviously de man have talent but I believe we should give up on that style of play which holds up the ball or simply glances it on and instead go for speedy wingers (Tinto and ??) and mobile forwards (Glen and Baptiste)
KJ off de bench as the need arises.
KJ GO HOME!!!....
Glen - Made a big effort on my part. Not sure if he is a starter but that may only be because TnT does have to play half a game to get going which is when he is needed the most.
Love Glenn's effort, will never understand why he was dropped at a crucial time in this campaign....
SUBS...
Tinto - Cant wait to see this kid on de field all the time but just as Dwight was a sub in de strike squad so too will tinto have to wait his turn. A shining light that is ahead of his squad for 2014.
Ah just love the boy...
Latas - Should some inexperience. Before I go flying off de deep end I will keep all things in perspective. I will try to understand the subs used and what the opposition was bringing at the time. I still havent seen what another coach could have done better so Im stickin with Latas.
Me too
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buh wuh de ass is dis??...de man call out socapro handicap loud in de road oui :D
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bacchanal cannot be d foundation.............
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The comment many of you all make here is that we are not Barca or arsenal and we does have high stds and what yuh expect etc. It is because alyuh does set the bar too low is why alyuh does be surprised when cuttail come.
Them fellas is lil boys trying to play big man game and we not meeting the minimum standard.
To make world cup yuh need to have a level of quality, pedigree, fight, experience and talent in yuh squad...lewwe face it....we lacking in every dept and that is why we are last.
Under all kicks...we were always in this game even at 4-0.
We were creating chances and had the attack been potent we could have scored quite a few. If we had Stern we woulda win some games...he might throwway but he go eventually score.
Kenwyne and Glenn throw way big time.
Latapy real love Keon...yuh get about 6 corner and do shit with all.
Yuh move him from the wing to the center, yuh even try him upfront in a kinda way in the beginning of the 2nd half and all the man do is swing on people stones hard.
Same thing with Spann from center mid to right back in one half to off the field.
Theobold didnt play bad...he play within his limitations and was effective.
JJloyd is a player.
Bakr handle he scenes
Ince do real shit...the first and the 1v1 especially.
I just cyar understand Latapy tactics and team selection...we does lorse before the game even play.
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The comment many of you all make here is that we are not Barca or arsenal and we does have high stds and what yuh expect etc. It is because alyuh does set the bar too low is why alyuh does be surprised when cuttail come.
Them fellas is lil boys trying to play big man game and we not meeting the minimum standard.
To make world cup yuh need to have a level of quality, pedigree, fight, experience and talent in yuh squad...lewwe face it....we lacking in every dept and that is why we are last.
Under all kicks...we were always in this game even at 4-0.
We were creating chances and had the attack been potent we could have scored quite a few. If we had Stern we woulda win some games...he might throwway but he go eventually score.
Kenwyne and Glenn throw way big time.
Latapy real love Keon...yuh get about 6 corner and do shit with all.
Yuh move him from the wing to the center, yuh even try him upfront in a kinda way in the beginning of the 2nd half and all the man do is swing on people stones hard.
Same thing with Spann from center mid to right back in one half to off the field.
Theobold didnt play bad...he play within his limitations and was effective.
JJloyd is a player.
Bakr handle he scenes
Ince do real shit...the first and the 1v1 especially.
I just cyar understand Latapy tactics and team selection...we does lorse before the game even play.
Spann was porous. Daniel was indulged longer than many coaches would have stood for under the circumstances.
Agreed on Bakr and Theobald. Jlloyd: no doubt.
Jones is a unidimensional threat.
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Jones need to use his size, height and speed to his advantage, having a built to be a TOP footballer and not having the brain to go with it is a bad thing. He like Socapro, he big, black and strong, but he totie small.
Ah feeling better now....
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Anybody see Socapro....
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Well what could i say ah guess everyone some it up in their post....all i could say..... iam alway a WARRIOR and they alway have my supported ...I'm very disappointment the way T&T play and i know no one in the caribbean and the other region respect us...sometime i think it's a cure we need to break after losing to the U.S.A..on Nov.19.1989....that all i could say for now...
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One team was ready the other was not. :P
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you know you could blame the coach for not knowing the hand he was dealt with wasn't good enough to win, you could even blame the hand itself, the players, for not winning or playing the quality level of football that was required of them last night, but if you don't put blame where it belongs then something is wrong with you. my father once told me that if you fail to prepare then prepare to fail. yes, i am blaming the feeble federation for not doing everything in it's power to prepare this team for this tournament. son of a bitch, didn't you tell the media that you would help this team get to the world cup?. never mind.
it was clear to see last night the results of a so call football federation that refused to support and prepare the men's senior national team for this tournament. i can't begin to tell how you much importance has to be placed on playing international friendlies, clearly it's an opportunity, and i might be oversimplifying things a bit, for the coach to find out the quality of the cards he holds in his hands. i could go on and on with this but the more i think about and the more i write about the arrogance and pure ignorance of this football federation led by some old feeble men with small minds the more it pisses me off. so i am going to stop about that.
instead, let me say this. it was obvious to me last night that the true worriers were sitting in a bar somewhere, in a living room somewhere glued to their tvs and computers, in a stadium somewhere watching this poor level of football being expressed by a bunch of misfits that were clearly out prepared, out manned, out manuevered, out classed, out played, and consequently out scored.
stay tuned because this epitaph is not complete yet, they still have some more games to be played by the trinidad and tobago feeble federation, the so call special advisor, the coaching staff and last but not least the players.
p.s. jack warnerman, you and your staff of idiots make me sick...........
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IS STERN JONH FACKIN FAULT !!!!
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IS STERN JONH FACKIN FAULT !!!!
ya damn right
he wasnt dere :devil:
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IS STERN JONH FACKIN FAULT !!!!
ya damn right
he wasnt dere :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Wham dey run out ah whistles? Worst case: he could have been assistant to the assistant.
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2014 ... sigh
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yuh have some vald points sam but dog caused at least 2 of those goals, if he wasnt there, we would have had a chance, i said it b4 the game and so said, so done, noel couldnt save him last night in the holding mid, latas had a good team for the el sal match and he change it...
he drop tinto, he refuse to select jaggy for the left wing when daniel shittting dong himself regularly and keston williams would have done fine at left back with samuel moving into centre with abu bakr or thomas, spann didnt do that bad at all it was thru the centre the goals were scored...
if yuh keep chopping and changing the team, we will not gel, latas should have sticked to playing, maturana should have remained the coach or we should have hired another good coach, SH would have done 10 times better to say the least...
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From my point of view, latas made bad subs and also his team selection is regressing. One game he does well and then he follows up with a garbage selection, bleeder is meh boy but he shouldnt have started, tinto should not be sitting on the bench, dog should never play again as a defender for us and keon daniel should be replaced by jagdeosingh or hector... Ince made some terrible mistakes in goal but it was bc dog was weak, 3 of our goals was attributed to dogs lack of defense and slow nature last night, abu bakr did not do that bad atall, our wings were not being tested, the hondurans were content with going through the middle with dog there bc he was the weakest link and latas didnt even bother to sub on thomas, like i said he should do if dog started...
like either man taking money or people like selecting a tt to lose bc why change a winning formula, when we looked ten times better last game in the back? chopping and changing a team doesnt allow anyone to gel, latas should have stick to playing and leave the coaching to an experienced professional, like i said SH would have done well if given the chance...
by the way the next game on wednesday also showing live on bet 365
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For real Latas coulda bet 20 grand on that game last ,if he was smart .If I hadda seen the starting lineup a few hours earlier I would bet a grand with no sweat.
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For real Latas coulda bet 20 grand on that game last ,if he was smart .If I hadda seen the starting lineup a few hours earlier I would bet a grand with no sweat.
betting in football is big sah, it aint no joke, man making real money with our team... like i said, the ttcb has the best run sports organization in the country, they select the best players and have an outstanding youth program, unlike the ttff, the support and money is there, no to mention the coaching is better also, with the tt senior team, man selecting padnah and the worst players, when we have players who better siddong on the bench or home watching these shithongs play...
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game comming on at 1:30 on ctnt
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Wow...a lot of emotional and educated views. Sometimes even both in the same post.
Despite all the love and support for the warriors, I haven't seen anyone stating the brutal and blatant truth....I believe I may have said it in an earlier post....our team is simply not good. Not for local, regional and definitely not international football.
The writing has been on the wall ever since we limped into the 06 world cup.
Only Beenhakker, a determined yorke and an inspirational latapy had anything do with that qualification. As soon as they got even further on in age, that was the end of our football.
I keep seeing posts saying how Daniel is so talented and promising, and I keep asking myself if these ppl are serious?
Daniel has never done anything on any level except score against some below par and jokey teams. He plays like he has worms and is in dire need of a zentel. Imagine getting 6 corners and doing absolutely nothing with any one of them. Yet he plays 90 mins.
Marvin Andrews is more pastor than player. Not that anything is wrong with that, but he was never good with a ball at his feet. Remember the game is football not head ball.
From the minute I heard that Theobold was starting I watched Arg vs Bra on setanta. Trinidad and Tobago could never be serious if he's on the team. A midfielder making no positive contribution to any game, offensively or defensively, is no midfielder to be on any team.
As someone posted, Carlos shows consistently why he is a championship player nad not a premier league player. As much as I love Carlos, no right sided player, especially a winger/midfielder, worth his salt, will be so piss poor at crosses.
What is Kerry Baptiste to do again? In form, scoring all the goals and cant get a fair look in the national team. Why do we play football then? Its these things that demoralise players.
Ppl cry down Kenwyne Jones, but his presence is didturbing to defenders. He plays at about 80% for us, and it appears that the coaching staff knows it but is comfortable with it.
Glenn is a great impact player, just not from the start. He will do well against tired legs. Any one who has seen him for game after game will notice a tendency to fall to ground when under pressure. Its a tactic he uses to excuse himself from anonymity.
Latapy, has the heart for the coaching job. I think we should persevere with him so he can get the experience to perfect the art. He chops and changes the defence too often, and doesnt seem to have the ability to be practical rather than hopeful. A trait that Beenhakker showed ruthlessly.
Trent Noel made little forward passes. Thats our player of the year?
At one time, we were 3 down and had a free kick, and a couple of our players were smiling (I saw a laugh but doubted it so much that I cant categorically state it). That sums up our attitude perfectly....World cup on the line, licks in we ass and we happy.
We mirror the WI cricket team almost exactly....we are simply NOT GOOD.
2014 anyone?
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After we did beat Mexico on top the mountain, I said Latapy decison making on tactical adjustments on the field is lacking, alyuh say he know what he doing and he got us the RESULT vs Mexico what no other coach could have done.
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Imagine, we most attacking player playing right back in a must win game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
De only man who can change the game (Carlos Edwards) and Latapy have him in right back.
Latapy is an asshole coach.
Imagine Cyd Gray is still we BEST right back and they not even calling him back because of a personal vendetta Jack Warner have against him. Same with Avery John !!!!
Latapy is an asshole coach.
He following a CLOWN !!!!!!!
Stand up asshole, tell Jack who you need and call them, is your ass on de line bro.
Who getting stick now !
You might lose they job now !
Not Jack Warner, he will be here forever.
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well I guess it was expected that after that loss all man beating up on the team and the coach and anybody in the passing...some with good cause ;D
however- I want to say that what I saw of Jlloyd was positive- he seems to have a good read of the game;
I did see effort from KJ unlike some of the posters here..maybe not scoring, but have any of you considered that he was recently injured and is playing tentatively because of fear of injury??? remember when Stern was coming off his injury some years ago (2?) I think it is natural to take some time to take risks again, not so?
we must remember in the midst of all our disappointments that OUR warriors are human and even when they do not play well maybe they are in fact playing to their potential?
this is not to excuse poor playing but I in fact cannot play football :(and at whatever level I admire anyone who can perform a task that I cannot.
let us just hope that the team can improve and can give us cause to cheer in the next 2 games
GO WARRIORS!! ;D
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IS STERN JONH FACKIN FAULT !!!!
Exactly y he score v Bermuda we woulda b out of we misery long time.
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One team was ready the other was not. :P
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One team was ready the other was not. :P
It seems as though we never ready,even on our best day it's more like 90 percent of it is luck and the other 10 percent is some structure that ah cyah put meh finger on right now.
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I did see effort from KJ unlike some of the posters here..maybe not scoring, but have any of you considered that he was recently injured and is playing tentatively because of fear of injury??? remember when Stern was coming off his injury some years ago (2?) I think it is natural to take some time to take risks again, not so?
Well let him rest until he fully recovered and let a fit striker play....additionally it is said that our mid field cyar serve him like they serve him in Sunderland....since ah eh know of (or cyar think of any off hand) any readily available midfielder who could lay it on a platter for him but ah know a couple strikers who could replace him, let him go and rest he self.....
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My views:
Defence: Andrews and Abu Bakr were too slow to contain the Hondurans. That they were getting caught with so much space behind them might be a tactical problem though. You have to adjust your tactics to the types of players you have. So it makes no sense playing high when you getting beaten for speed over and over. I can't fault either Andrews or Abu Bakr for effort but they just weren't good enough.
Midfield: Theobald and Noel were non-existent. When you watch football on tv, sometimes they show the midfielder stats at the half and after the game - touches, passes, passes completed, shots, tackles etc. Between the two of them their totals would have been lower than an average midfielder. They were no where to be found. They didn't contribute to the attack. They didn't contribute to the defence. Isn't the center of midfield considered to be the engine room? We not going to achieve anything with an engine like that. And for those who say Noel take over from Birchall as the hardest runner on the team ... I have to disagree with that one.
Effort: Most of the players just don't give the required effort needed to be a professional/international footballer. Keon Daniel is the most glaring example. To me, players like Edwards, Tinto, Cornell and Abu Bakr look like they're putting out an effort. Others either don't have the heart or the required fitness. Our team needs more players like Birchall, Sancho, Roberts and Telesford - they might not be as technical as a Daniel but at the end of a game you know they tried and gave their all, and thats what fans want to see. If we lose we have to go down fighting man. In fact, men who don't give their all should not be selected - plain and simple. This is your country you playing for - you need to show that pride. Birchall is the perfect example to me of the kind of effort our players need to be putting out there. Look my 11 based on men who I feel will represent Trinidad with pride/effort. I not saying that's the best 11 we have, I just saying we need a team with this kind of heart. I would be curious to see how a team like that would perform just based on their attitude and spirit when on the field, though.
Ince (GK)
Avery (LB) Telesford (CB) Sancho (CB) Carlos (RB)
J. Samuel (LM) Birchall (DM) Tinto (RM)
Roberts (AM)
Glen (F) C. Samuel (F)
Other thoughts:
1. Is Keyeno Thomas any faster or better with the ball at his feet than Andrews? Why are men calling for him? We need to stop recycling players who have proven themselves to be incapable.
2. I don't think Abu Bakr is good enough for international football just yet.
3. Yorke might be a step slower than he was in past years, but I don't think he is any worse than Theobald or Noel. He may slow the game down, but at least he has an influence over the game's tempo. I always said to those who called for Yorke to retire, you would not notice his contribution until he is gone. I wonder if people feel like I do now.
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My views:
Defence: Andrews and Abu Bakr were too slow to contain the Hondurans. That they were getting caught with so much space behind them might be a tactical problem though. You have to adjust your tactics to the types of players you have. So it makes no sense playing high when you getting beaten for speed over and over. I can't fault either Andrews or Abu Bakr for effort but they just weren't good enough.
Midfield: Theobald and Noel were non-existent. When you watch football on tv, sometimes they show the midfielder stats at the half and after the game - touches, passes, passes completed, shots, tackles etc. Between the two of them their totals would have been lower than an average midfielder. They were no where to be found. They didn't contribute to the attack. They didn't contribute to the defence. Isn't the center of midfield considered to be the engine room? We not going to achieve anything with an engine like that. And for those who say Noel take over from Birchall as the hardest runner on the team ... I have to disagree with that one.
Effort: Most of the players just don't give the required effort needed to be a professional/international footballer. Keon Daniel is the most glaring example. To me, players like Edwards, Tinto, Cornell and Abu Bakr look like they're putting out an effort. Others either don't have the heart or the required fitness. Our team needs more players like Birchall, Sancho, Roberts and Telesford - they might not be as technical as a Daniel but at the end of a game you know they tried and gave their all, and thats what fans want to see. If we lose we have to go down fighting man. In fact, men who don't give their all should not be selected - plain and simple. This is your country you playing for - you need to show that pride. Birchall is the perfect example to me of the kind of effort our players need to be putting out there. Look my 11 based on men who I feel will represent Trinidad with pride/effort. I not saying that's the best 11 we have, I just saying we need a team with this kind of heart. I would be curious to see how a team like that would perform just based on their attitude and spirit when on the field, though.
Ince (GK)
Avery (LB) Telesford (CB) Sancho (CB) Carlos (RB)
J. Samuel (LM) Birchall (DM) Tinto (RM)
Roberts (AM)
Glen (F) C. Samuel (F)
Other thoughts:
1. Is Keyeno Thomas any faster or better with the ball at his feet than Andrews? Why are men calling for him? We need to stop recycling players who have proven themselves to be incapable.
2. I don't think Abu Bakr is good enough for international football just yet.
3. Yorke might be a step slower than he was in past years, but I don't think he is any worse than Theobald or Noel. He may slow the game down, but at least he has an influence over the game's tempo. I always said to those who called for Yorke to retire, you would not notice his contribution until he is gone. I wonder if people feel like I do now.
Brudder d only recyclin is players dat is our go green effort.
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T&T players just to blasted lazy !!!!!!!!!!
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So basically you just say that we players is crap (which at times is very hard to disagree with) and that make it Latas fault?
Duh...of course Latas have to shoulder ah lot of the blame he is the Coach....he made the wrong choices with the starting team and it was all downhill from there...Theobold,Andrews , Daniel ...the subs he used ...who made them decisions??...the team or Latas...ah love the man but that was some suspect decisions.
this would be my team for Wed.
Ince
Spann, Thomas,Bakr, Jlloyd
Tinto, Carlos ,Noel, Hector
Baptiste, Jones
Good team....i switching Carlos and Spann (if spann couldplay in the middle the way he played in the CR game den he will be very effective) Jones NOT STARTING; Cornell and Baptiste up front. Switching Hector and Noel positions.
The main problem with we is the lack of quality practice matches we does play....how we suppose to have a good team if the players don't play together..it doh matter how good we players are...if dem doh play enough warm up games to get ah understanding ah each other den the team will never play to full potential.....if big teams like Spain, Italy, Brasil have some of the best combination of players in the world and still kno dem have to play practice games to get it right.....who is we?? How den we expect to play our best football if everybody is alien to each other on the field.....poor preparation with regards to practice matches as usual...dat is de difference between the seniors and the U-20's right now...dem been playin a lot of friendlies against very good teams and they will be a better prepared side for Egypt than we will ever be for this Hex
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Wow...a lot of emotional and educated views. Sometimes even both in the same post.
Despite all the love and support for the warriors, I haven't seen anyone stating the brutal and blatant truth....I believe I may have said it in an earlier post....our team is simply not good. Not for local, regional and definitely not international football.
The writing has been on the wall ever since we limped into the 06 world cup.
Only Beenhakker, a determined yorke and an inspirational latapy had anything do with that qualification. As soon as they got even further on in age, that was the end of our football.
I keep seeing posts saying how Daniel is so talented and promising, and I keep asking myself if these ppl are serious?
Daniel has never done anything on any level except score against some below par and jokey teams. He plays like he has worms and is in dire need of a zentel. Imagine getting 6 corners and doing absolutely nothing with any one of them. Yet he plays 90 mins.
Marvin Andrews is more pastor than player. Not that anything is wrong with that, but he was never good with a ball at his feet. Remember the game is football not head ball.
From the minute I heard that Theobold was starting I watched Arg vs Bra on setanta. Trinidad and Tobago could never be serious if he's on the team. A midfielder making no positive contribution to any game, offensively or defensively, is no midfielder to be on any team.
As someone posted, Carlos shows consistently why he is a championship player nad not a premier league player. As much as I love Carlos, no right sided player, especially a winger/midfielder, worth his salt, will be so piss poor at crosses.
What is Kerry Baptiste to do again? In form, scoring all the goals and cant get a fair look in the national team. Why do we play football then? Its these things that demoralise players.
Ppl cry down Kenwyne Jones, but his presence is didturbing to defenders. He plays at about 80% for us, and it appears that the coaching staff knows it but is comfortable with it.
Glenn is a great impact player, just not from the start. He will do well against tired legs. Any one who has seen him for game after game will notice a tendency to fall to ground when under pressure. Its a tactic he uses to excuse himself from anonymity.
Latapy, has the heart for the coaching job. I think we should persevere with him so he can get the experience to perfect the art. He chops and changes the defence too often, and doesnt seem to have the ability to be practical rather than hopeful. A trait that Beenhakker showed ruthlessly.
Trent Noel made little forward passes. Thats our player of the year?
At one time, we were 3 down and had a free kick, and a couple of our players were smiling (I saw a laugh but doubted it so much that I cant categorically state it). That sums up our attitude perfectly....World cup on the line, licks in we ass and we happy.
We mirror the WI cricket team almost exactly....we are simply NOT GOOD.
2014 anyone?
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Well said.
The team is not good enough as it stands today. I do believe we do have players - across the globe - that can represent the country and vie for a spot in Concacaf. Players that are committed to the colors only! Imagine Birchall is an import and has more desire - not as much skill - but desire to give his all, than our nationals?
Look at the Strike Squad? - - beyond Latas and Yorke, how many superstars did we have on that TEAM?.. the other players understood their roles ...TRUSTED each other and went out there and played for the COUNTRY.
Say what you want about Gally - that team had chemistry and an identity. That was must-see football, now - going to the NT play..is just something to do for most..a lime..
Beenie had a decent handle on things leading up to Germany ..but it was a different style of play to the 89 team. He brought organization and discipline. Latas has a vision but must have the proper level of support from the administration, the players and the fans.
Development is a process - not an overnight thing - when you are a minnow in this football world....you must be willing to fight and claw for everything..a chip on the shoulder is a minimum requirement. On a world scene - how many of our players have earned "star boy" status? Ever? - - IMO, the answer is 3 (Latas, Yorke, Shaka) ...everybody else is a role player. Until our players start acting like professionals and have pride in wearing the colors...we will be mediocre at best.
Good post DT :beermug:
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KJ shouldve been played at right-back. He is a waste of space on the intl level up top.
Also would have liked to see Telesford or James called-up.....woulda, shoulda, coulda ::)