I think the best chance of returning order to football in T & T is to support FPATT. They hope to launch a uniform to be worn at the funday. Let this strip become the uniform of the alternative T&T supporter. Let it become a symbol of the future of football in the twin islands.
People have offered to make donations to the FPATT fund, however, purchasing an FPATT shirt would not only help with funds, but would also help spread the FPATT message.
I think the best chance of returning order to football in T & T is to support FPATT. They hope to launch a uniform to be worn at the funday. Let this strip become the uniform of the alternative T&T supporter. Let it become a symbol of the future of football in the twin islands.
It is worth mentioning at this stage that although the main brief of such a union is to protect the rights of members and to provide support and advice, FPATT also intend to demand transparency within football.
As far as I know, the players for the funday are starting to fly out next week.
Work has started on an FPATT website which sounds like its gonna be as good as this site.
Uniform is being manufactured and you should get a look at it on this site within next few days.
A warriors anthem has been selected and negotiations are underway to make it available for purchase via downloads.
Tv and press interviews have been organised from around 20th May to early June.
Meetings are being organised with all 12 clubs, and the PSL. The president of Concacaf has been invited to attend a forum with other interested parties (hopefully a govt representative and representative from FIFPro-the world association of players unions) as well as an English PFA rep,so-called FPATT special adviser Kevin Harrison and players from FPATT.
Funding from FIFPro should be confirmed at their committee meeting in June.
Negotiations taking place with Business partners and sponsors.
Expect lots of activity and announcements in the press in the run up to the funday. I understand that 15,000 tickets have been made available and they are selling well.
Hope that helps!
Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.
Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.
See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.
Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.
Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.
See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.
yuh disagreable eh fishes? :'( Whey yuh been all this time btw?
I all for the union but it should not have been formed this way ... with some of the players for and some against.Fishs, I ent know how you figure that this is ONLY for the forren players......
It easy enough for TTff to ostracise the dissenting players as happening now and move on.
My big problem with it is also that is basically ah "foreign" thing with the home based players sort of isolated from the issues... anyhow.
Was home making merry .... will do a Morvant like post shortly.
West Coast, its been a long time coming, but the balance of power in football has changed over the last few years. Massive TV deals have given players unions the revenue to begin to influence the organisations. But don't forget that the English PFA is a 100 years old, yet they have only had real power in the last 20 years.and I know for a FACT that if ya pardner Gally was a member of a union like this he would never have been treated like he was, you agree man?
FPATT will be a more modern union, but don't expect them to change football in T&T overnight. It will be a long struggle, but hopefully, the people will get behind its aims.
The difference is, that now, FIFA have stated that they WANT players unions and that they want dispute chambers in place worldwide by 2010, and they should include players representatives.
Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.
Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.
See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.
Dreamer,where did you see that? really useful if FPATT could get that statement.KentSoulMan, check the thread about here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=d1191e366002a9b0839de09a1d41c90d&topic=27578.msg310447#msg310447)
I all for the union but it should not have been formed this way ... with some of the players for and some against.Fishs, I ent know how you figure that this is ONLY for the forren players......
It easy enough for TTff to ostracise the dissenting players as happening now and move on.
My big problem with it is also that is basically ah "foreign" thing with the home based players sort of isolated from the issues... anyhow.
Was home making merry .... will do a Morvant like post shortly.
anyway, could you read the following postWest Coast, its been a long time coming, but the balance of power in football has changed over the last few years. Massive TV deals have given players unions the revenue to begin to influence the organisations. But don't forget that the English PFA is a 100 years old, yet they have only had real power in the last 20 years.and I know for a FACT that if ya pardner Gally was a member of a union like this he would never have been treated like he was, you agree man?
FPATT will be a more modern union, but don't expect them to change football in T&T overnight. It will be a long struggle, but hopefully, the people will get behind its aims.
The difference is, that now, FIFA have stated that they WANT players unions and that they want dispute chambers in place worldwide by 2010, and they should include players representatives.
Warriors boots on auction.
T&T Newsday Reports.[/size]
The pair of football boots worn by Russell Latapy in the World Cup warm-up match against Peru early last year, his last match on home soil in Trinidad and Tobago colours, will go on the auctioner’s block.
The collectors’ item will be on display at the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) “Football Funday” fund-raising event next Sunday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
Also on auction display will be the boots worn by Carlos Edwards, with which he scored the spectacular winning goal to assured Sunderland promotion to the English Premiership next season.
Boots worn by Stern John and Dwight Yorke will also be on display.
Also all ten T&T Pro League clubs will receive 50 complimentry tickets each for the “Football Funday” event. With the 2007 Pro League season now kicking into high gear, the players will have the opportunity to join the thousands expected to attend the family event, for an exciting evening of football and fun.
Also if any of alyuh could find the thread with the Socawarriors exhibit I think Oconnorg and myself describe the boots there too.Look de thread: Soca Warriors Exhibition at the National Library (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=16869.0)
Lockwood continued “I believe that professional players of all nations should have access to a footballers union, and urge the professional footballers of Trinidad & Tobago to get behind FPATT. The union will only be as strong as its membership, and players need to speak with one voice. When you look at the unprecedented amounts of money being put into football these days, players need a dedicated body to negotiate on their behalf and ensure all players interests are protected.”
I gather that Terry Fenwick and the directors at Jabloteh have given permission for Aurtis and Cyd to play in the funday match. Also, I understand there is an agreement that Cornell can make a cameo appearance, as he is not yet fully recovered from injury.
This really puts FPATT on the football map. If the proleague clubs are willing to support the union, its only a matter of time before TTFF are the only people in Trinidad not recognising FPATT.
Carlos, Birchall and Kelvin all in Trini now. Just waiting for Shaka to arrive.
There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.
I gather that Terry Fenwick and the directors at Jabloteh have given permission for Aurtis and Cyd to play in the funday match. Also, I understand there is an agreement that Cornell can make a cameo appearance, as he is not yet fully recovered from injury.kentsoulman... can you confirm if the Radio discussion is still on and which station?
This really puts FPATT on the football map. If the proleague clubs are willing to support the union, its only a matter of time before TTFF are the only people in Trinidad not recognising FPATT.
Carlos, Birchall and Kelvin all in Trini now. Just waiting for Shaka to arrive.
There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.
There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.
big up to touches girl warrior weary patriot and all the other forumites that was there
game was ok but credit to touches cuz nuthion from fpatt was available
stern play last tstopper and cyd dog and wolfe strike dog have some beat
glenn score a beautful lob so it was a niceness
WE WERE IN COVERED BEHIND THE CAMERA MEN BOUT THE HALF LINE
easily visible in warriornation regalia :devil:
1. Plan an organized MARCH in front of the TTFF office, where you will have a press conference.
2. Contact the police commissioner and get permission for the march
3. We the fans get our banners ready.
4. Fans from abroad who can offer support, organise your plane trip once the date is given.
5. Place an ADVERTISEMENT in the paper letting all soca warrior fans know a march is in effect.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27953.msg315463#msg315463
6. Invite all soca warrior fans to walk with a T&T flag as a sign of solidarity and wear red...
- we want transparency in how TTFF runs their business.
- We want financial statements published in the papers.
- We want players selected for the games based on ABILITY, players must earn their position based on being the cream of the crop.
7. We want the TTFF to speak to the fans. If they are not in the country, they should sent a representative to answer the questions.
8. If the fans do not get an answer from this march. then step up protest actions at the games....Chanting, banners etc.
This is not a time to back down. We want to celebrate just like Mexicans, USA. Its time the fans DEMAND that the TTFF put their house in order. Bring victory home o'else.......
FPATT was officially formed last week in Trinidad. They met with WIPA the cricketers union and also with the ProLeague, who are supportive. The next step is to issue application forms to players.
However, it does appear that they are not being recognised by TTFF or Concacaf. Not sure what there next move will be.
Very very good news. dcs, curious to hear your opinion
Very very good news. dcs, curious to hear your opinion
I almost gave it a second ago but say lemme hush my mouth :D
ANYWAY i go talk
I glad they got some good work done over the past few weeks. These recent developments way more significant than the games they organized (those were still important though not quite successful). The structure they have set up where the power lies in the hands of the local players is extremely good. It addresses a major issue of who this union represents. It should also now be clear it is a way the foreign based have made a significant contribution back to the local game....it was needed and the timing is good. The support of the PFL is very significant....u get that first and TTFF and CONCACAF will have to come around with the way football is structured.
Soon they will want a good logo and a website to get information out there first hand and not depend on third parties.
Intersting thing to see is if they will list Mike Berry as an ethical agent. If he goes to them and say I agree to these terms will they take him or will they freeze him out. They have to be very careful how they go about selecting that list....it should be seen as set criteria that determine who on the list regardless of who on the committees.
Harrison might want to tone down his aggression if he really interested in working with the TTFF as they say. History will show they don't react well to using the press to strong arm them. (i believe i recounting history accurately)
FPATT targets ethical agents.After reading and following this whole FPATT situation i a bit skeptical and i'm just being cautious,this is going to end up in a war between Kevin Harrison and Jack Warner/TTFF,we have to be carefull with this guy Harrison,he is into the money business just like Jack he not in this for nothing,i don't think any foreigner has T&T Football/Footballers at heart like a Trini,it's easy to sell this to our players because they don't know better at the moment they grasping for straws and this guy taking advantage of them,all the fun raisers they had what has been done so far,all they have is meetings,they trying to get the locals on board.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
FPATT plans to go on a recruiting drive within the domestic leagues soon although local players are free to join of their own volition. Interested persons can call 715-8731. Membership is free for the first year.
Harrison, who returned to England last Thursday, said that locally-based players chosen for national duty were also an immediate priority as they are the “most vulnerable” commodities.
“We have got a situation here where the national players are not happy with the relationship they’ve got with the (Trinidad and Tobago Football) Federation,” he said, “and we have got to have that written out crystal clear. We can’t have things being done verbally anymore because the situation is such that you can’t be sure (contracts) will be upheld.”
Harrison held “very profitable” meetings with representatives from the Pro League executive committee and member clubs as well as the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) during his stay.
His courtesy calls on the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) and CONCACAF went unanswered, though.
“CONCACAF is the one that really annoys me,” he said, “because I understand FIFA have stated that they want to have at least 12 professional leagues in Africa and each league should be supported by a footballers union.
“Someone like Mr (Jack) Warner, who is a FIFA vice-president, would have signed up for that. They are players associations already set up across CONCACAF.
“So what I don’t understand is why Mr Warner does not want the same thing for his countrymen.”
FPATT targets ethical agents.After reading and following this whole FPATT situation i a bit skeptical and i'm just being cautious,this is going to end up in a war between Kevin Harrison and Jack Warner/TTFF,we have to be carefull with this guy Harrison,he is into the money business just like Jack he not in this for nothing,i don't think any foreigner has T&T Football/Footballers at heart like a Trini,it's easy to sell this to our players because they don't know better at the moment they grasping for straws and this guy taking advantage of them,all the fun raisers they had what has been done so far,all they have is meetings,they trying to get the locals on board.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
FPATT plans to go on a recruiting drive within the domestic leagues soon although local players are free to join of their own volition. Interested persons can call 715-8731. Membership is free for the first year.
Harrison, who returned to England last Thursday, said that locally-based players chosen for national duty were also an immediate priority as they are the “most vulnerable” commodities.
“We have got a situation here where the national players are not happy with the relationship they’ve got with the (Trinidad and Tobago Football) Federation,” he said, “and we have got to have that written out crystal clear. We can’t have things being done verbally anymore because the situation is such that you can’t be sure (contracts) will be upheld.”
Harrison held “very profitable” meetings with representatives from the Pro League executive committee and member clubs as well as the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) during his stay.
His courtesy calls on the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) and CONCACAF went unanswered, though.
“CONCACAF is the one that really annoys me,” he said, “because I understand FIFA have stated that they want to have at least 12 professional leagues in Africa and each league should be supported by a footballers union.
“Someone like Mr (Jack) Warner, who is a FIFA vice-president, would have signed up for that. They are players associations already set up across CONCACAF.
“So what I don’t understand is why Mr Warner does not want the same thing for his countrymen.”
The agents being talked about here,are they representing players for free?my guess is players will have to pay these agents to represent them just like any lawyer.I appreciate and like what Harrison and the foreign based players are trying to do but if we don't have FPATT based in T&T run by personal based in T&T it will have problems,for example the TTFF don't want to meet/sit down with them,the locals have no access to them when they are needed,this will help the foreign based players.
Harrison seems to be working hard because that's what the job is all about,the more business he can generate it's good for him,the same does Jack so you will find they will never see eye to eye,he's moonlighting in Jack's area.How much money does the local players make,most don't make anything at all.Where i would like to see FPATT and it's agents help our players is when i see so many foreign based players scrubbing bench,getting ten/fifteen minutes in a game,some have no contracts,playing in reserve leagues,some injured/laid up and have to come back home with no future,look at the kind of money some of our players make,where are the agents?they are just no use,a waste of time.
In Football today,honestly is there anybody we can trust?everbody has their own agenda and it is how much money i can make/get, professionalism has destroyed T&T Football,it is not,will not and can't be the same because we are trying to compare ourselves with what's foreign and not being ourselves.
Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.
Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.
This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.
Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.
I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.
I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.
Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.
Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)
I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.
Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.
Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.
This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.
Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.
I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.
I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.
Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.
Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)
Thanks for the post, it would be nice to know your identity. Good luck and lets hope this great mess gets handled soon.
I jus' Google FPATT to see if the union site up and running yet and the search return the website for the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago ???! I real surprised the "original" FPATT not making noise about the use of their acronym.
Anyhow, good luck to the union. Hopefully it will get the backing it deserves................
TTPFA mightve been a better choice..just my viewI jus' Google FPATT to see if the union site up and running yet and the search return the website for the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago ???! I real surprised the "original" FPATT not making noise about the use of their acronym.
Anyhow, good luck to the union. Hopefully it will get the backing it deserves................
Yeah, I saw that. Maybe they done it on purpose, after all, they have the same aims.....to prevent b**tards ruining your lives lol
Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.
Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.
This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.
Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.
I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.
I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.
Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.
Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)
I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Also, I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of the agreement. It's just a matter of the accounting (how much money was left available for the players bonuses).I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Even Jack agrees that he offered monies to the Squad, but it is that Microsoft Excel TYPE Spreadsheet that is proving to be the stumbling block, and not an audited report that SHOULD be given to the players Lawyer.Also, I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of the agreement. It's just a matter of the accounting (how much money was left available for the players bonuses).I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Even Jack agrees that he offered monies to the Squad, but it is that Microsoft Excel TYPE Spreadsheet that is proving to be the stumbling block, and not an audited report that SHOULD be given to the players Lawyer.Also, I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of the agreement. It's just a matter of the accounting (how much money was left available for the players bonuses).I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
here in Canada even my offsprings softball organisation has to have an audited statement at the end of the year, it is just what a professional organisation should do.
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?
Interesting ... Wont happen tho... Rather, it should not happen..
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?
Interesting ... Wont happen tho... Rather, it should not happen..
Why do you think it shouldn't happen? Warner can't get his hands on the dollars, and Trinidad desperately needs the football infrastructure developed. The supporters haven't turned out en masse with their money. Only the die hard supporters with vision have given over their bucks so far. How can they build the union without cash? Its not like they just gonna hand the money out to the players. They need office equipmment, employees and training equipment such as footballs, bibs, cones etc.
What is your reasoning behind your comment?
If Manning could give Chocolate Allen money for fasting 4 1 week. Well that bein said corporate sponsorship is what is needed remeber corporations doh support nutten until they big like a breadfruit. Them need to ask PSA or one a dem union for a lil space to operate from.
I'm not sure I understand why govt can't be seen to back FPATT. The federation must get funds from FIFA, CONCACAF, ProLeague and a share of gate money and TV and marketing. They have funds for paid employees and also, there are question marks over its managing of finances.
Alternatively, FPATT have no income as yet whatsoever and have no profit making directors. They say they are there for the good of the game. OK, they will never be able to match the income of the English PFA in the community, but then theres 50 million less people in T&T, so less funds are needed.
I would think its a pretty cool move politically, especially as it will be a slap to Jack Warner and Oliver Camps. It will also send a message to the people that this is a govt approved association and will raise the FPATT profile.
If the govt want to invest in its own people, but haven't got the expertise, why not encourage those that have?
Remmember, they probably won't give much, and most of the work will be done by volunteers. It's like helping the people to help themselves. If they commit to funding year on year, it will encourage FPATT to stay above board and meet specified targets.
TTPFA mightve been a better choice..just my view
Kentsoulman & FPATT..allyuh doing good service :beermug:
But the thing is, there not supposed to be no political adgenda's being served. If the Gov financially supports FPATT who is it really benifiting.. ?.. What if UNC wins the elections . Support done..!! What den for FPATT?..
My thinking is that FPATT should try their best to stay "clean". No entity to pull their strings..
But the thing is, there not supposed to be no political adgenda's being served. If the Gov financially supports FPATT who is it really benifiting.. ?.. What if UNC wins the elections . Support done..!! What den for FPATT?..
My thinking is that FPATT should try their best to stay "clean". No entity to pull their strings..
You. Ent. See. dat would be the death of FPATT...when Jack and he party get elected.
Maybe KentSoulMan does not realise that Jack Runs the UNC Party and when they get elected, is ole mas in TnT Football, mark my words.
and another story would develop as they would give endless money tothe Special AdvisorTTFF ;)
It is very strange that FIFA does not allow Governments to get involved with Football Associations, YET one of FIFA VP's can be Heavily involved in politics.
Do as FIFA says not as FIFA does.
I am sure that questions will begin to be asked soon. No one outside T&T is aware of the real situation. However, once FPATT is fully established, they can ask questions via FIFPro.Do you know if FIFPro has any contacts in the general media who could ask Mr Warner some pertinent questions during the Gold Cup?
I am sure that questions will begin to be asked soon. No one outside T&T is aware of the real situation. However, once FPATT is fully established, they can ask questions via FIFPro.Do you know if FIFPro has any contacts in the general media who could ask Mr Warner some pertinent questions during the Gold Cup?
We have to catch this guy making some outrageous comment so that the rest of the FIFA world will have to wake up to his dealings.
Is FPATT a formally registered union under the laws of T&T ?
Is it registered as a charitable org ?
Is it registered as a business ?
How they recieving money ?
How they could legally operate if not thru the above ?
Do they have any locus standii to negotiate for players ?
If not, would not Boynes' intervention be pure politiking ?
......I have already emailed the chairman of the US players union asking that question are explaining the whole blacklist situation. I think its the ideal oppertunity for the global press to put Jack on the spot.
Is FPATT a formally registered union under the laws of T&T ?
Is it registered as a charitable org ?
Is it registered as a business ?
How they recieving money ?
How they could legally operate if not thru the above ?
Do they have any locus standii to negotiate for players ?
If not, would not Boynes' intervention be pure politiking ?
As I understand it, FPATT was registered 2 or 3 years ago as a union. There is a constitution in place with a democratically appointed board.
Don't think it is registered as a charity yet.
They are not receiving money as yet!! There are some sponsorship and business partner deals being finalised. Other than that, income has been from the fundays.
I have no idea what locus standii means.
If you have legal/ business law knowledge, then can you volunteer to assist us. Don't forget, we are not business experts or company lawyers. We have legal advisers, but everybody is helping voluntarily.
Yeah, I think George was involved initially, and is still advising FPATT. However, FPATT have a team of legal personnel advising on constitution, contracts etc.
You must remmember that at this stage we are relying on the good will of volunteers, but we believe we have some excellent assistance.
I hope dey know to talk to Flex and Tallman so we can go straight to dem from this and the WN site
I support Shaka all the way. However his disdain for Jack Warner goes a long way back. If anybody can remember, Shaka's father George Hislop tried to start another association when the TTFF was TTFA. Tallman, I believe you will remember this. For a long time the Hislop family was persona non grata.
Does anyone remember this? it was in the 80s I believe.
What about if supporterz in NY get together and do something same in CANADA , TRINBAGO, and where ever else alyuh iz ?
I won't mind a lime but is different ppl in different places. So I will settle for an internet donation.
FPATT have several initiatives they wish to run including coaching for youngsters, benevolent fund to assist ex players and also players such as Cornell who aren't paid while injured, football in the community schemes to encourage young people to attend and take interest in pro league matches and education programmes for players reaching the end of their careers.
We know that in 3 years from now we will have solid income streams, but at this stage we are desperately short of funds. At this time we have no paid staff and those involved have used their own money to pay phone bills, air fares etc.
In order to progress, we need to raise funds. The only fundraising event so far has been in London.
We need assistance in raising funds and I wondered if anyone on this site has the drive and motivation to help. Can you help to arrange a fundraising event for FPATT?
The poll should give us an idea if the hard core supporters would be prepared to donate.
Personally, I'm in favour of collection boxes for people to just throw their change into, as I believe people don't begrudge giving up a few coins, and will do this regularly.
We appreciate your assistance and comments. If you're interested in helping, please PM me.
Morvant, these are precisely the kind of things we wat to do..........however, most of us are either in the UK or USA. This needs to be done in Trinidad & Tobago. We have some excellent people onboard, but they are not fundraisers. Sure, they may be able to put on an event, but it probably won't raise much money.
To arrange a fete, we need somene who can get a free venue, do a deal with Carib or a wholesaler, get good bands and DJs to play, organise free advertising on radio and in press, obtain sponsors for the event, arrange security and then get several thousand people there.
I have arranged similar events in the past, and the key to success is delegation. If you have good people who can take on particular tasks, the job is easy.But I can't do it from here. I raised $52,000 TT on my own. I'm sure you guys can do better. I will be doing more in London, but we need to get some action going in Trini.
Any offers??
Another GREAT way to raise money is every month you auction off a signed T-shirt, football jersey, football hat, tugs, shorts, towel, ball, shin pads....something, anything !!...but something authentic on this website...signed and/or used by the players themselves on WN or SW.net.
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.
let me tell you mr Fpatt why supporters are so reluctant
the gap between the players and supporters is too big.
look how long we begging for a Q&A in a chatroom with a player
everytime flex interview ah man he say he does be on this site but doh post why???
i thing iz big boy syndrome.
sorry but thats my feelings until they say otherwise.
and we feel if we donate (as TT does say) transparency is all we ask for
what this money for?
doh cuss meh ah just asking
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.
Bakes, this was the question I was expecting, but I didn't think it would come from you!
Let me give you a scenario.
Take 200 employees from any business in any country. Sit them in a room and tell them how global warming is killing the planet. (Stay with me, here)
Every one of the 200 is in favour of taking action.
They all agree its terrible, but what can we do?
We say we're gonna march to parliament on saturday.
Suddenly eveyones too busy on saturday. They have to go shopping, they're decorating the house etc
Only 50 people say they can turn up to the march.
On saturday, 20 people turn up, but 10 can only stay for an hour.
Of the 10 remaining, maybe 7 are going to turn up next time.
This is a hypothetical scenario, but if you're honest, you know this is what would happen. About globalwarming. Their childrens future.
Now take 200 ProLeague footballers. How many do you really expect to help FPATT?
There are approx 3,000 professional footballers in England and Wales. They getfree boots. They get free medical cover, they get free insurance, they get free legal advice, they get a heavily subsidised pension.
When I visit a club at training and ask for the players to stay behind for 10 minutes, I'm lucky if I get 6 to stay behind.
Footballers are no different than any other group of workers. Some care, some only care about themselves. Some are smart, some aren't. Some look to the future, some have trouble thinking about today.
The footballers are only in our lives for 10 or 15 years. They are transient passengers on our train. Football belongs to us. Football earns footballers money, but it costs supporters. Not for ten years, but for life. We do it because we love it, and the only reward we expect is committment and entertainment.
FPATT is the only organisation on the horizon to offer the chance of change in T&T football. Yes, its primarily for the players, but its also about the development of the game. Your game. If there is another organisation that backs football in T&T, then donate to them. But I don't see one.
FPATT was formed by a minority of players, all of whom live overseas. These players have invested their own timeand money to make FPATT a reality.
All I am asking is that you, the true football supporters invest in your future. There simply isn't enough of us yet to raise the required funds.
The members (players based in Trinidad &Tobago) do not have vast incomes and therefore, if we charged them subs, they would have to be minimal. Once we can begin to offer a range of benefits, then we can charge subs. Our first priority is to get all players to join, so at least we can challenge TTFF on behalf of the players.
Its a long and frustrating process, but its worth the effort. If together we can change the system in T&T, at least we can feel we've achieved something.
This poll was implemented so we can gauge the feelings of supporters. By asking your opinions, we can better decide which route to take.
As with the global warming scenario, some of you will just talk, some will make a token effort and some will get involved and really help. Whichever category you fall into, you have a right to voice your opinion, and FPATT will take note.
When was the last time TTFF, Warner, CONCACAF or FIFA asked for your opinion?
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.
Bakes, this was the question I was expecting, but I didn't think it would come from you!
Let me give you a scenario.
Take 200 employees from any business in any country. Sit them in a room and tell them how global warming is killing the planet. (Stay with me, here)
Every one of the 200 is in favour of taking action.
They all agree its terrible, but what can we do?
We say we're gonna march to parliament on saturday.
Suddenly eveyones too busy on saturday. They have to go shopping, they're decorating the house etc
Only 50 people say they can turn up to the march.
On saturday, 20 people turn up, but 10 can only stay for an hour.
Of the 10 remaining, maybe 7 are going to turn up next time.
This is a hypothetical scenario, but if you're honest, you know this is what would happen. About globalwarming. Their childrens future.
Now take 200 ProLeague footballers. How many do you really expect to help FPATT?
There are approx 3,000 professional footballers in England and Wales. They getfree boots. They get free medical cover, they get free insurance, they get free legal advice, they get a heavily subsidised pension.
When I visit a club at training and ask for the players to stay behind for 10 minutes, I'm lucky if I get 6 to stay behind.
Footballers are no different than any other group of workers. Some care, some only care about themselves. Some are smart, some aren't. Some look to the future, some have trouble thinking about today.
The footballers are only in our lives for 10 or 15 years. They are transient passengers on our train. Football belongs to us. Football earns footballers money, but it costs supporters. Not for ten years, but for life. We do it because we love it, and the only reward we expect is committment and entertainment.
FPATT is the only organisation on the horizon to offer the chance of change in T&T football. Yes, its primarily for the players, but its also about the development of the game. Your game. If there is another organisation that backs football in T&T, then donate to them. But I don't see one.
FPATT was formed by a minority of players, all of whom live overseas. These players have invested their own timeand money to make FPATT a reality.
All I am asking is that you, the true football supporters invest in your future. There simply isn't enough of us yet to raise the required funds.
The members (players based in Trinidad &Tobago) do not have vast incomes and therefore, if we charged them subs, they would have to be minimal. Once we can begin to offer a range of benefits, then we can charge subs. Our first priority is to get all players to join, so at least we can challenge TTFF on behalf of the players.
Its a long and frustrating process, but its worth the effort. If together we can change the system in T&T, at least we can feel we've achieved something.
This poll was implemented so we can gauge the feelings of supporters. By asking your opinions, we can better decide which route to take.
As with the global warming scenario, some of you will just talk, some will make a token effort and some will get involved and really help. Whichever category you fall into, you have a right to voice your opinion, and FPATT will take note.
When was the last time TTFF, Warner, CONCACAF or FIFA asked for your opinion?
See... this here to me is very noble, but I honestly feel that FPATT might be biting off more than it can chew given that it's in it's infancy. It wasn't solicited, but I'll offer it anyways. I think FPATT should focus whatever scant resources are available on marshalling the support of and unionizing the professional footballers. The focus should be on growing in strenght and elevating the presence of the organization, as the ONE unified voice of TnT footballers everywhere, starting with National Team members. Community outreach and social activism can come later on...there are already ad hoc pockets in place where the very thing you aspire to achieve is being done on the community level. There is however, no unified players voice, and that to me is what is most critical in the fight against the tyranny presented by the TTFF.let me tell you mr Fpatt why supporters are so reluctant
the gap between the players and supporters is too big.
look how long we begging for a Q&A in a chatroom with a player
everytime flex interview ah man he say he does be on this site but doh post why???
i thing iz big boy syndrome.
sorry but thats my feelings until they say otherwise.
and we feel if we donate (as TT does say) transparency is all we ask for
what this money for?
doh cuss meh ah just asking
Morvant, I'm not going to cuss you...your questions are fair.
The money is, as I mentioned before, to put towards several projects. However, If it is preferred, the money raised from this site could be directed at a chosen project. Probably the football in the community programme.
This will be aimed at the poorer regions of Trinidad & Tobago. We'd like to encourage youngsters to become more interested in ProLeague football. This is because we feel that attendances need to be increased at matches. This develops affinities to clubs and brings more money into the game. This can be used in attract more foreignstares, which in turn brings in more revenue to develop local talent.
This is one of the ways the English PFA helped turn around the image of English football and attendances went from a post war low to a post war high over a 15 year period. Of course, the downside to having the worlds top league is that its harder to develop home grown talent, however, I don't see T&T progressing quite that far.
Initially, we would arrange regular coaching sessions for children in conjunction with the local ProLeague team. We'd get players to attend, give stadium tours and discounted match tickets. We also wish tocompile a free dvd featuring the worlds best footballers, but every other clip would be of T&T players, such as Spanns gold cup goal, Kelvins spectacular save vs Bahrain, Tallsts qualyfying goal etc, with the aim of showing that T&T can be up there with the best. You can't go and watch Beckham, Pele or Maradonna, but you can see Spann play for T&T.
As for your other comments, we've had Sancho, Jack, Shaka, Marvin over the last few months. As for the others? Maybe you will see them in the coming months.
I think they're probably right not to post on here. After all, it is a supporters site. Interviews are sufficient in my opinion.
As for big boy syndrome, well maybe you are right in some cases. But as to my original comments, some care, some only care about themselves. You just need to decide which is which. Ask yourself which players are in a position to do more.
As for transparency, I try to keep you as up to date as possible. However, there are times when I cannot give details because of legal or strategic reasons . This is a public site and there are people who read this who do not have our best interests at heart, but whatever I can release will be put here.
If you are interested in ensuring FPATT is run correctly, you are welcome to assist us and there may be an option of assisting with the steering committee.
Bakes, a lot of what you have said is accurate.
FPATT is a players union, and its first aim is to provide advice and support to players.
However, once recognised by the authorities and supporters, FPATT will have a unique opportunity to influence football in T&T.
As in the MLS & EPL, the union and the authorities should eventually work in tandem. Unlike in the USA and England, this won't happen in T&T until the TTFF either grow up or a change of personnel takes place. In the meantime, FPATT will have no access to big money.
When its time to negotiate the contracts for World Cup 2010, there will be a major conflict between the existing TTFF and the players.
FPATT will need the support of the players, supporters, sponsors and government.
If we sit and do nothing but add a few benefits for the players, we won't enjoy the support we need. FPATT needs to become a force as soon as possible. We can only do this by reaching out to the communities and providing benefits to them.
We cannot afford at this time to pay for insurance etc for players. In England, all players pay £90 per year subs. Thats around $1100 TT.
That pays for nothing! Last year PFA got £16,000,000 in TV rights. They also get a percentage of every transfer fee. Their major sponsors pay £30,000 each just to carry the PFA logo.
So you can see that subs are just a token payment to assure committment.
While we are tied up in court and trying to influence matters at FIFA, we have the opportunity to direct our efforts elsewhere.
A community project run and backed by the players is more likel to be supported than a community led scheme.
You are right that WN is the main vehicle for supporters, and if WN can organise and run weekly soccer schools, then I'm sure FPAT would lend its support. However, I don't think you guys have the time to commit to it. We have ex players like Tansley Thompson who want to support FPATT and want to work with youth talent. We have Tallest saying he wants to work in places like Morvant as a coach. Marvin wants to work back in his community.
Players do want to make a difference.
Therefore, if we decide to ask for donations/fundraising, the money can be directed at a specific project and become an FPATT/WN project.
The question is, is there anyoe from WN in a position to commit time on a weekly basis to support this I know of some members who may be iterested, but wether they would work without pay is another issue.
Foreign based players cannot be full members and most are members of their host nations unions. Past players would not benefit from membership, but there are past players who are volunteering to help.If FPATT would extend membership to not just "Football players[ ] of Trinidad and Tobago"...implying pros based in TnT...but also extend it to players who represent TnT on the national level then that would solve this issue. Afer all it is this category of players which gave rise to FPATT in the first place, no?
That leaves around 200 home based players.
Even 1% from all of them would not amount to much.
Gentlemen, all things considered - this should be a "no brainer". Yes FPATT is a players organization, and in an ideal situation should be funded by the players, but we are not dealing with players from nations who understand the long term value of a union, most of OUR players have never been part of anything organized (except for their teams).
If we as fans understand the value of this union, and if we call ourselves true fans, then I don't see why we can't move from the norm and support their initial fundraising efforts, instead of providing lip service.
Warrior Nation execs will tell you that I am not a member, but they will tell you that when they come up with a plan or event that warrants my $$$ I will support. The truth is that FPATT is clearly doing something major here, so I will support.
We have to remove ourselves from the mind-set that says it must benefit us as individuals. Our players have had to deal with too much bullshit over the years, and as fans this is an opportunity to participate in fixing things. Harrison to the best of my knowlege is not even Trinbagonian, but we are hearing that this foreigner is putting his $$$ where his mouth is, why can't we? Why do we always have to depend on others to help us, when are we going to start helping ourselves? We try to paint this picture of us being post modern, but it's clear that the colonial mentality is still around.
Thanks for re-stating my point for me....substitute "we" with "professional footballers" and you'll get my point. Ever heard "you can lead a horse to water...". WITHOUT THE PLAYERS FPATT IS NOTHING. Don't you get that? FPATT will fail with apathetic players...it doesn't matter what the fans are doing. Fans can organize all they want and support all they want...all we'll end up with is WN by a different name, as I've already said. You don't value anything unless you've put effort into achieving/acquiring it. It shouldn't be that the fans have to do the leg work to get the union off the ground while the players dawdle around in apathy. That apathy will feed over into the union (should fans succeed in getting it off the ground) and before you know it apathy will prevent it from being a unified force. That's the point.
We spent the past year hailing FPATT efforts, but as soon as they ask for more than lip service is more questions than support.
Support should never be blind nor unintelligent. If you feel otherwise then that is your prerogative.
Everyone on this board know our culture, and know that our players would have a problem paying dues at this point.
Well guess what, unionization takes sacrifice...those who are serious should be willing to make a sacrifice.
We all know that the majority of players would want FPATT to do something for them before they start joining and paying dues, it's just our nature/culture, but those of us in the know, should recognize this and assist.
FPATT is not asking for much, they are simply saying we need your help to get this thing off the ground, and there is no reason why we shouldn't help. Show me how $5.00/$10.00 to support our players directly can hurt anyone of us. No disrespect intended, but it is not the Warrior Nation that is fighting the TTFF on behalf of the players, it's is FPATT. It's is not the Warrior Nation that coming up with this move to help our 'ballers, it is FPATT. Truth be told, it's clear that FPATT has a far better chance of organizing our players and our football than the WN.
Bake & Shark, you ask how FPATT can help develop football in T&T, and the answer is simple - by providing our players with an understanding of their value to the local game, but allowing them to recognize that they have a lot more to offer than just their on field exploits. We have seen where players unions in England and the US have worked with organizations at the grassroots level in conjunction with clubs and the FA/USSF etc to develop football in inner city etc. - do your research.
Physician heal thyself. None of these unions you cite...I GUARANTEE you...tried to get social program/mes off the ground BEFORE the union itself was up and running. None.
That's a quintessential case of trying to put the cart before the horse. So wheel and come again dey docta.
If yuh say yuh for we players then start sending yuh $$$$. Stop the pissing questions, and recognize. Our players never had a voice, they are getting one now, let's support this, It's in It's infancy and need our assistance.
Please, no more dumb ass questions, start funding. Mr. Harrison set up your Paypal account, or just post an address where I can send my 2 cents, and let's get this thing started.
West Coast - you are correct. It will take time for the players to buy into FPATT, and Harrison and his folks clearly understand that, but in order for FPATT to become a force, we need to assist in their interim funding efforts.very well said.....
I think that the debate should end, and the funding commence. I have been personally involved in local players issues in the past, and i know that if the player and I had FPATT back then, the end result we experienced could have been different. I totally support the concept and efforts of FPATT.
Three of the best things to happen with local football is FPATT, this site and WN, let's help FPATT efforts.
can I just interject my penny's Worth?
everybody has some very good points and counterpoints for FPATT
but let me also say that we cant be too hard on the local players.
I am sure that these players realise that their future Football careers rests in the hands of ONE PERSON.
ONE PERSON...that in itself is mind boggling for me even.
If they are cognisant of the local scene they will know those who have been treated very unfairly in the past and they themselves do not in any way want to be treated that way.
This has been going on now for OVER 30 YEARS.
so as this is a very NEW thing to them we can only ask that the Players who have been successful in getting this off the ground to be VERY patient as I think it will take time for the present local players to climb on board the FPATT maxi taxi, so to speak
Just keep trying and sooner or later they will open their eyes.
The 2010 world cup is coming, and at the moment there is half a team, and they have never negotiated with Warner before. What tricks will he pull next time?May GOD guide them
If my points are valid...how can you not understand them? Or did you mean to say that you don't agree with them? Some believe in the "if you build it they will come" model...as espoused by trinbago. I have no such faith in chance. I think there needs be a start with the foreign-based professionals to come back and educate the younger local players as to the benefit and necessity for unionization.
This is the part I don't understand about your points. As valid as they are, the underlying fact is that as over the last 30 years, if we do nothing, you'll get the same result. The players at home can't see the shit heading towards the fan. We can, and thats why WE have to take responsibility. Its our game, and its your nation.
A lot of the players we're talking about are too young to think of much more than which boots to buy next. They're not interested in the politics of football, but they will be once its too late.
If my points are valid...how can you not understand them? Or did you mean to say that you don't agree with them? Some believe in the "if you build it they will come" model...as espoused by trinbago. I have no such faith in chance. I think there needs be a start with the foreign-based professionals to come back and educate the younger local players as to the benefit and necessity for unionization.
This is the part I don't understand about your points. As valid as they are, the underlying fact is that as over the last 30 years, if we do nothing, you'll get the same result. The players at home can't see the shit heading towards the fan. We can, and thats why WE have to take responsibility. Its our game, and its your nation.
A lot of the players we're talking about are too young to think of much more than which boots to buy next. They're not interested in the politics of football, but they will be once its too late.
I also see your points on the problem posed by foreign-based players. I think this can best be addressed by by-laws stipulating that they cannot vote on domestic affairs, only affairs that cross over into international play/issues. Something just seems wrong about the foreign-based Soca Warriors not having a vote (when it was largely them who inspired FPATT) and some player from a foreign country in the PFL having more say than them on FPATT affairs. But I won't drag that out...that's for FPATT and it's membership to hash out internally.
And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!not Only TTFF........the clubs he has players with ;)
And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!not Only TTFF........the clubs he has players with ;)
would the FPATT produce a list of recommended Agents?
What I mean is, everything you say makes sense. If we were talking about lumberjacks or factory workers, I would accept your points. What I don't understand is that you are aware that the manipulation of football in T&T will continue and players will continue to be abused if there is no strong force to oppose them.
Correct...but coalescing the interest of the players FIRST...is counterproductive how? You keep citing the end...we both agree on the end, it's the approach over which we differ.
The Gold Cup squad were paid a pittance. Noriega was left in hospital in the USA with questionable care from TTFF.
Highly debateable...but moving on.
Cornell was injured for a year with no financial assistance.
The govt can't intercede. If you wish WN to be the opposing force, then fine, get organised and oppose.
Uh uh...I wish nothing for any organization, I have no stakes in matter. Players' rights are best advocated by players collectively, in the form of a union...on that we both agree. Again, I just don't see how raising funds for social programs affects that end, but you don't need to convince me, if that's what your membership wants then by all means...
The fact is, nobody will take any notice. It has to come from within football and players have the ultimate bargaining tool. They can strike. If its taking me this long to convince an intelligent person like yourself, how long will it take me to convince a 20 year old poorly educated player?
What are you trying to convince me of though? The need to organize and unionize? Or the means by which you think it's best that this can be achieved? I have to ask because it takes no convincing on the first question. I think the same challenge will be faced when dealing with the young pros...you must first show them the 'why'...before you attempt to outline the 'how'. This has been my only argument all along...Get the players behind you first.
And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!
So, as I said, the alternative is to let FPATT fade away and let football continue its same pattern. We can't wait for 3 or 4 years for players to return to assist.
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.Elan, there are still those people, some right here on this site, who say that Jackula is the BEST thing for TnT Football.
Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.
Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.
Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.
You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.
Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.
To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.
The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!
As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.
So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?
It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.
I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".
The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.
Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.
Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.
You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.
Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.
To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.
The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!
As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.
So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?
It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.
I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".
The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.
Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.
Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.
You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.
Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.
To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.
The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!
As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.
So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?
It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.
I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".
The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.
Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?
The apathy you're encountering is just another one of those challenges that in the end will make the journey that much more meaningful. My suggestions would be as best as possible, educate the local players on what it is you're trying to do. Contact the clubs (even though I doubt they'll be receptive to the idea) and organize one night after practice when you can go make a 30-minute presentation on the merits of unionization. Key points to focus on would be salary-negotiation and benefits...including the eventual possibility of a pension for players after they leave the league.
Which brings me to another point...as a union you actually may need to negotiate separately with the Pro League and the TTFF, as there would be many Pro players who won't be governed by issues negotiated with the TTFF. Already we have outlined the reverse...foreign-based players and their relationship to the issues governing the local professionals.
Bakes, it is clear that you are an educated individual, and very articulate if I may add, but didn't you know that FPATT (de poster) is with the FPA in England and is well aware of the steps and processes that are involved with starting such a union.
I know nothing more of FPATT than he has shared on the board...
Don't you think he knows that eventually they would have to negotiate with the pro league etc, but he must first have the support of the players in order to do so, and in the mean time they need $$$ to assist in corralling the players.
I'm sure money is necessary as well...but how does this relate to anything that I posted ???
It's not only about havings meeting with players, this man is based in England not T&T, and as you know we don't have too many folks in T&T that know how to run a players union.
I'm aware that he's in England...wasn't suggesting that he do all this himself. Clearly for the union to take off there needs be a local/Trini presence...the wise assumption would be that establishing such a presence is at the fore of their (FPATT) minds. Once said presence is established, MEETING with local pros is a necessity to any further progress. No?
History has shown that you need $$$ to get most things off the ground. Bakes we are on the same side, call/email your pro baller friends back home and encourage them to facilitate this. You and I both know how important this is to our ballers, so let's educate them, I have sent several emails to some of my local pro baller friends introducing them to the concept, I suggest you do the same. Let's the ballers ask the questions. Respect
Bakes, I met with the ProLeague in May. Think this link will take you to Dexter Skeenes comments.
http://www.ttproleague.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=857&Itemid=2
I also spoke to the Tobago Utd squad. Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to meet the other teams. We know that if myself, Shaka, Brent or Kelvin were in T&T we would have 100% membership, but until we have someone like that out there, its going to be difficult. But guys like yourself spreading the word helps.
FPATT: Also let us know what type of contributions (aside from monetary which I will also be involved) that we can make from where we are now..give of small and big examples so everyone can say "hey..I might be able to do this ..or so an so can team up to do that"..etc
I would put change in a box...but where will they be? Is this the most effective collections method?
I endorse Sam's comments...
I am not against the boxes, but I am not sure that is the best way....maybe placing them in places like the banks or KFC outlets might be better served but I dont think this method will maximize contributions
Another thing is...I would be happy to get involved here in NYC to promote something in conjuction with others..but we have to get appearances..for eg..we throw a fete match and Stern appear, or Tallest, or even Cornell Glen...the support is there...yuh just have to use some carrots!
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin :yapping: that does go on here, I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:Well for the record...I voted for the lime thing, but I won't mind bidding on some authentic football jerseys...i doh need big name club or player, just something nice to kick around town in.
Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin :yapping: that does go on here, I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:dais my sentiments exaclty when warriornation have things going on and de regulars who alway shave de best opnion and critisms doh say shit. All de big big supporters in here does cyah pull dye hand ah lil bit self when mankind ask for asistance.
Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
FPATT (the forum member), or anyone, do you have the full press release?
Maybe if there is no other content for the fpatt.org site yet there could at least be a list of the press releases.
FPATT (the forum member), or anyone, do you have the full press release?
Maybe if there is no other content for the fpatt.org site yet there could at least be a list of the press releases.
After consultations with the Trinidad & Tobago international players involved in the current dispute with the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation concerning unpaid World Cup bonuses, FPATT, the Football Players Association of Trinidad & Tobago would like to make the following comments on behalf of the players in response to Mr Jack Warners recent comments in the media.
Both the players concerned and FPATT welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter with TTFF. It has always been the aim of the players and FPATT, for the benefit of football both in T&T and globally, to settle this dispute without the need to attend court.
We feel it would be inappropriate for Mr Warner to discuss this situation with individual players, however, as TTFF have appointed Mr Warner to speak on their behalf, the players feel that they would be happy to appoint FPATT representatives to speak for them. This will also be beneficial to Mr Warner, who has agreed to visit London between his appointments in Canada and Korea. As none of the players are London based and will have footballing commitments, the players feel that this option would be the most convenient for Mr Warner.
FPATT looks forward to being contacted by TTFF or their representative, Mr Warner, to arrange a meeting. FPATT would also like to extend an invitation to Mr Warner while he is in London to hold preliminary talks on behalf of TTFF, regarding players contracts for the forthcoming 2010 World Cup campaign.
Bet yuh Jack say he eh meeting with no FPATT.
FPATT, has the TTFF ever acknowledged the existence of your organization? I'm curious.
Bet yuh Jack say he eh meeting with no FPATT.
FPATT, has the TTFF ever acknowledged the existence of your organization? I'm curious.
To my knowledge, FPATT has never been officially acknowledged by TTFF, CONCACAF or Jack Warner.
I do hope that people will recognise the professionalism within FPATT compared to the statements released on behalf of TTFF. Wherever possible, we try to present clear statements to the press without resorting to petty jibes and personal abuse.
Sometimes, this results in FPATT not reacting as quickly as some may wish, but we hope people understand that this is necessary sometimes.
Record your conversations and get everything in writing and signed.
FPATT, dese suggestions are what you need to SHOW Jackula that his BS is OVER....... ;)Record your conversations and get everything in writing and signed.and video taped, yuh want to cover all bases with Jack
Ahright..we rising.OK, a small musical interlude here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVkV3AZqqI).
It does not matter that FPATT were not originally part of the issue. FPATT would be representing the players, not acting on their (FPATTs) own beliefs.
I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.I not even giving him that much credit
I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.I not even giving him that much credit
the man is a bully
Bakes you might enjoy this article about omnipotency. (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=913&cid=8&sid=59)
Jack Warner talking about "protocol."
;D :rotfl:
Lawd,we should collect these quotes and make a book yes :rotfl: :rotfl:
VB
Good gawd, dai'z not ah article...dai'z ah tome, lolyeah and i had to use about three dictionary
Ah go check it out.
I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.I not even giving him that much credit
the man is a bully
Bakes you might enjoy this article about omnipotency. (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=913&cid=8&sid=59)
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin :yapping: that does go on here, I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin :yapping: that does go on here, I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin :yapping: that does go on here, I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.
Coops, I'm interested in what makes you think FPATT is not interested in the local based players. Maybe our message isn't getting across clearly enough?
As I have stated so many times, the court case has nothing to do with FPATT, other than it was the catalyst that finally brought about the formation of FPATT.
If the foreign based players didn't have the passion and foresight to form FPATT, the local players would never have formed a strong players union.
To be fair, supporters all around the world don't really give a toss about the politics of football, or even about the corruption prevelant throughout the game globally. As long as supporters get to see their teams, they don't really care. But some of us do. Some of us want to rid football of the shackles that hold back its development. Then, perhaps, local players will get a fairer deal. For instance, those guys you were all applauding for taking the opportunity of filling the places in the gold cup squad vacated by the blacklisted players, were paid 75% less in match fees than the blacklisted players. And they had to wait weeks for their pay, after intervention by FPATT, and then only got their money once they had returned their kitbags.
That was their reward for playing for TTFF instead of supporting their colleagues. I can understand why they played, but local players have to start to see the big picture. For 34 years players have not been treated with the respect that should go with wearing the red white and black. The eleven guys that take the field for Trinidad & Tobago are the footballing cream selected from the nation. They should not suffer inferior hotels, poor food, non payment of fees, as has happened in the past. 34 years of disrespect. And until they get behind their union, it will be allowed to continue.
I'm not saying FPATT does not care about the locals all i said was the emphasis right now seems to be just on those players getting their money because i'm not hearing about any thing else going on,thanks for clearing the air as to the aims and objectives of the organization.You can't blame the locals because these guys don't have the same bargaining powers as the foreign based,they are not treated the same,they are being used when better can't be done,most people think they are not good enough,my hope is that through your organization all players will be treated the same because it's affecting T&T Football.Life really funny,remember when Nakhid stood up to Wim and JW concerning all those things you mentioned above and it was for the team he almost got killed,got rid off,some even thought he should be banned from the country,any how as a veteran of our Football i'll support anything that will better our game,it's good that you all took the initive to start this i hope it's the answer.Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin :yapping: that does go on here, I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.
Coops, I'm interested in what makes you think FPATT is not interested in the local based players. Maybe our message isn't getting across clearly enough?
As I have stated so many times, the court case has nothing to do with FPATT, other than it was the catalyst that finally brought about the formation of FPATT.
If the foreign based players didn't have the passion and foresight to form FPATT, the local players would never have formed a strong players union.
To be fair, supporters all around the world don't really give a toss about the politics of football, or even about the corruption prevelant throughout the game globally. As long as supporters get to see their teams, they don't really care. But some of us do. Some of us want to rid football of the shackles that hold back its development. Then, perhaps, local players will get a fairer deal. For instance, those guys you were all applauding for taking the opportunity of filling the places in the gold cup squad vacated by the blacklisted players, were paid 75% less in match fees than the blacklisted players. And they had to wait weeks for their pay, after intervention by FPATT, and then only got their money once they had returned their kitbags.
That was their reward for playing for TTFF instead of supporting their colleagues. I can understand why they played, but local players have to start to see the big picture. For 34 years players have not been treated with the respect that should go with wearing the red white and black. The eleven guys that take the field for Trinidad & Tobago are the footballing cream selected from the nation. They should not suffer inferior hotels, poor food, non payment of fees, as has happened in the past. 34 years of disrespect. And until they get behind their union, it will be allowed to continue.
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.that is a BIG hurdle that FPATT has to overcome.
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
Yeah, I think that the FPATT has to run information seminars for local players to fully understand from a "Historic" point of view why they need to join.as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.That is exactly why they should sign up, because of the 'help' the TTFF has given to the players thus far. This same help has lead to the WC06 warriors being cheated out of thier just dues.
As long as players think like this, there will be a division amongst the ranks of players that will only benefit TTFF.
Yuh have to say to yourself, why would your employer not want you to be a part of an organization that would benefit your career, help you make smart choices and assist with decision making? hmm whose interest would your employer really be looking out for?
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.Look de answer to dis here Morvant. Still, yuh right, FPATT needs to do a better job of getting the word out amongst the players.
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.Look de answer to dis here Morvant. Still, yuh right, FPATT needs to do a better job of getting the word out amongst the players.Quote
So, to answer Morvants point. If I was a local player, I would look at TTFFs recent record of assisting players to get contracts overseas. I would wonder how I'm going to earn a cap when no reputable country will play T&T. If I do earn a cap, am I going to be paid in loose change, or will I receive a decent match fee, as the guys were paid before the world cup. Would the TTFF hold back my pay until I return the kitbag that they've received free of charge. If I'm injured overseas, will they just leave me there alone. If I'm injured and my clubs contract expires, will I be left to fend for myself until I can get myself fit again and get a new club. And I would wonder if I wanted to be first choice in a team that struggles against inferior opponents or part of a squad that plays in SA 2010.Quote
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
that is a smart thought. i think they should mainly sign up the more important players though. just an opinion.
i cant tell if that was a serious answer or not.good observation Mr MC
who are the 'more important' players?
FPATT, again I am embarassed to see some of the questions you are posed with as well as comments from some of the more established and so called "informed" people on this board.
Lord put ah hand ! :-[
FPATT, again I am embarassed to see some of the questions you are posed with as well as comments from some of the more established and so called "informed" people on this board.
Lord put ah hand ! :-[
Don't be...good bet is that if one person posts it there are others out there who are thinking it. At least their posting the questions presents an opportunity for FPATT to clear up some misconceptions.
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
Think the question you should be asking is why do TTFF think of FPATT as their enemy?
As you have all frequently pointed out, T&T players have been treated poorly since 1973. You have all had complaints about the way the TTFF has been running football.
If FPATT had been in place before Germany, you would still have your best players representing your country and the Gold Cup players would have been paid on time.
FPATT didn't bring the court case. FPATT are there specifically to avoid that kind of confrontation.
So, the local players must decide. Do they just think about themselves as individuals and risk being treated like the Classic squad, the Strike squad and the Soca Warriors, or should they be treated the same as the other 42 national teams that have unions.
They must ask themselves as a group of 200 local based players, why have 45,000 players worldwide joined a players union?
Because of the position of Jack Warner, he can inform TTFF that any nation with an established players union is enjoying a respectful working relationship between the administrators and the players, without the need to get lawyers involved. Which is why FIFA fully support their establishment.
Even the global organisation of players unions, FIFPro, is funded from FIFA tournaments.
The reason that FPATT looks like an enemy of TTFF is because Mr Warner and Mr Camps know that if they recognise FPATT, the players will have to be treated properly, there will have to be financial transparency and players will no longer have to bow down to the administrators.
TTFF use the press to sway public perception. Today, Shaun Fuentes has released 2 articles. The content is exactly the same but rearranged to tell a different story.
In one, Shaka is the returning hero who takes the oppertunity to explain FPATTs current status and difficulties in an honest and open manner. In the other, Shaka is president of a failing organisation that hasn't got off the ground.
Ask yourself, why did Fuentes need to release two articles with exactly the same content?
Morvant, you're a bright guy, but you chose to comment on the negative article. Can't you guys see how you're being manipulated? Its the old glass half empty/half full trick. You take a story and change its slant depending on which message you want to get across.
There are people on this site - not FPATT members- who will tell you the truth about FPATT. I personally am working on 6 FPATT projects, and spent most of the weekend communicating with people. Like you guys, I have to earn a living. FPATT has no funds to pay me. So I work on FPATT in the evenings and weekends. As I've mentioned before, we are moving slowly, purely due to lack of funds and manpower.
But we are making progress, and you will see these projects come to fruitition.
Its easy for TTFF to try to belittle FPATT. They have an office, paid staff, and, if the government are to believed, $173 million TT over the last 2 years to play with.
So, I ask the forum, if you were to start an organisation today, how would you pay for an office, furnish it, provide computers, telephones, fax machnes, appoint staff, raise funds, recruit members, deal with the press, pay the utility bills, build a website, travel abroad to meetings and fit in a full time job as well?
I don't mean to be bitter, but its very frustrating when you work for something you believe in and people are ready to criticise rather than ask themselves "how can I help?"
So, to answer Morvants point. If I was a local player, I would look at TTFFs recent record of assisting players to get contracts overseas. I would wonder how I'm going to earn a cap when no reputable country will play T&T. If I do earn a cap, am I going to be paid in loose change, or will I receive a decent match fee, as the guys were paid before the world cup. Would the TTFF hold back my pay until I return the kitbag that they've received free of charge. If I'm injured overseas, will they just leave me there alone. If I'm injured and my clubs contract expires, will I be left to fend for myself until I can get myself fit again and get a new club. And I would wonder if I wanted to be first choice in a team that struggles against inferior opponents or part of a squad that plays in SA 2010.
FPATT is not an enemy of TTFF. And the players should realise that if they stand alone, they will fall alone. Our logo is a players huddle, purposely to illustrate that when players stand together they achieve a great deal more.
West Coast what you have said here is right and the way it should be but you as well as i know reality tells us different,if any one on here have ever represented this country you will know how the locals feel,and why they have to be convinced to join FPATT,these guys are called Pros because they play in a league called a Pro League but it's just some players getting small change to play Football,does every player in the Pro league get paid?when a national squad is called up to train look at who gets called up and look at who plays the actual game,we call a bunch of guys who knows there is no chance they will make it because the foreign based are coming,these guys are never sure of what to expect,what the future holds for them,it has always been this way,there is nothing guaranteed,if we make it we used to say we lucky,every thing now is basically new to the locals and we have to put ourselves in their shoes,i'm sure most of them still have a regular job and play Football.i cant tell if that was a serious answer or not.good observation Mr MC
who are the 'more important' players?
i would say that EVERY single player who wants to Represent TnT is "an important" player ;)
as soon as that same feller get called up and dey see he is part of a club that sue them.But FPATT eh sue nobody.
how you could come down to ah player from tobago united and tell him join your club, and charge him ah fee tell him yuh go take care ah him den leave on the next flight to england???I doubt anybody here posting tuh have de board agree with them...least of all not me. FPATT is not a club...it's a Union. When Buzz Butler was trying to form the Oilfield Workers Trade Union in the 30s you think the colonial powers that be were happy? Of course not, they charged him with sedition and jailed him for 7 years. They released him and then jailed him again...all because he was agitating for workers rights. These footballers aren't toiling under the same dangerous conditions as the oil workers before them...but their situation isn't any less unfair.
as soon as that same feller get called up and dey see he is part of a club that sue them.
allyuh need to start posting from yuh heart and what you truely feel. trust meh it does feel better than having the general board agreeing with yuh.
FPATT
I have a suggestion which you may have already tried but you be the judge.
Why not have this information for the players to join FPATT come from the coaches and upper management of each of the clubs. I know you have had meetings already, (Jabloteh I think) or was it for all who wanted to attend, to explain the position and importance of FPATT.
However, instead of trying to explain to a youth or PFL "professional" the importance of joining a players union, if it was indirectly mandated by management and reinforced by coaches and captains as to its importance, FPATT may get further faster. That is, if management says "if you want to play for my club we strongly encourage our players to join FPATT".
Granted, this is a form of force feeding members to join.
Some might say..."You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"
I say "force a little of the water down the horse throat cause once it gets the taste there is no turning back"
slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???De only probable reason is because it is his middle name. His first name is Neil.
See that's what I saying too...Trini journalists juss like tuh play they in thing sometimes, lol.slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???De only probable reason is because it is his middle name. His first name is Neil.
slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???De only probable reason is because it is his middle name. His first name is Neil.
Yeah...figured as much, but Shaka being a given name it's just silly to put it in quotes, but that's Trini journalism for you.
You ARE 100% correct. His First name IS Neil and Shaka is his middle name
Trini journalismis ah oxymoron. Fellas who does write essay in d newspaper more accurateWe have some men who real gifted with the pen...men like Terry Joseph, Keith Smith...BC Pires...even older heads like Lloyd Best and Ken Gordon himself. But sweet jeebus I dunno what has become of journalism in TnT. Is like they hire a bunch of people straight outta secondary school and put them in front ah computer out of sheer necessity. As we were discussing in another thread though, it's not all the fault of the writers because even the best among us make mistakes...one really has to wonder if the editors are asleep there at the wheel.
I guess if Flex doh step forward nobody else will step up. FPATT website taking forever to launch.How allyuh so fella? How you know Flex didn't do this in conjunction with FPATT or at their bidding?
EXCELLENT WORK Flex ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will definately help FPATT get started. And de page wicked to.... nice wording......
jes curious...is carlos edwards a member of FPATT, cause he not on the list?...i saw him on friday in the FPATT social and he was wearing a FPATT shirt
great work as usual flex
Before ah fuhget that "hungry wolf-ula" on de FPATT web page is de hardest. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Classic!
Given the past history, even as recently as the Gold Cup, you would hope that players will not sign anything without FPATT approval.
However, TTFF does not recognise FPATT. If they refuse to accept FPATT as the players representatives, the only option left is for players to refuse to play until they have an FPATT negotiated contract.
This will lead to two results. The local boys will probably still sign and the overseas guys will effectivly blacklist themselves.
The main aim for all parties has to be qualification for 2010. The Guadaloupe match, I feel, is an excellent choice. We don't need a huge test of football ability, we need to get the best possible squad together and try out different variations. Wim has never had a chance to select his first team. Now is the time for solidarity.
FPATT can play hard and force the issue. We can approach FIFPro who have a memorandum of understanding with FIFA whichformerly recognises FIFPro, and its members, as the sole representatives of players.
FIFPro can then lobby FIFA to ban T&T from international competitions. The same thing happened in Russia.
If we want to force this issue, we have the world behind us now. The question is: will the supporters really want this? No world cup? I don't think so!
The only route open will be for every one to realise the mistakes made in the past. For the benefit of football in T&T, TTFF must sit down with FPATT and build bridges. Whether they like each other is immaterial.
Neither organisation is going away, so both should learn to co exist, like in the other 42 countries with players associations.
"It was quite funny," said Harrison, "There were around 26 Spanish speaking delegates and only 4 English speakers - T&T and USA, so the meeting was conducted in Spanish. Every time one of the English speakers wanted to speak, there was a collective sigh and a fumbling for headphones!"
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous. Thanks too to the author of that well-written article :beermug:
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous. Thanks too to the author of that well-written article :beermug:
:busshead:
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous. Thanks too to the author of that well-written article :beermug:
:busshead:
Such violence paesan...
FPATT, sorry I must have missed it, but how can we get those shirts?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYqbTlkXyG0
from 4:56-end
On the blacklist:
Thank the Lord because the last twelve months has been a joke. You know, the black list, the nonsense that's been going on has done nothing but put Trinidad & Tobago back five years. So I'm so pleased that the matter now seems to be resolved and that all our players are coming back into the fold, and let's look forward to a strong Trinidad & Tobago squad on February the 6th.
On ties between FPATT and TTFF:
Should have happened on day one. The only way that FPATT is ever going to be successful is to have a good harmonious relationship with TTFF. I think that the FPATT negotiations -- initial negotiations -- should have been handled a little more professionally. Obviously, because of the impasse and what have you there's been bad blood in the last twelve months. In Shaka Hislop they've got a great guy, a good friend of mine, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing. But everyone in the FPATT organization should be a little less confrontational, I would say, with the federation. And the only way, as I say, they're going to be successful is to work hand in hand with the federation, because there's no doubt in Jack Warner's mind, in the TTFF's mind, and certainly in my mind that FPATT is here to stay and is an important part of the future development of Trinidad & Tobago football.
I cant say that I recall FPATT being confrontational.
That come like yuh catch yuh pardna girl cheating on him and when yuh say
"WHat the hell yuh doing"
she bawl
"well I cannot talk to you if thats how yuh gonna act and berate me!"
I cant say that I recall FPATT being confrontational.
That come like yuh catch yuh pardna girl cheating on him and when yuh say
"WHat the hell yuh doing"
she bawl
"well I cannot talk to you if thats how yuh gonna act and berate me!"
In a strange way, I kinda have to agree with Berry in this instant. What he said just take me back to when WIPA was formed and since then has always been confrontational. There were a lot of accusations regarding this issue from a lot of people, however Ramnarine always appear to be confrontational with the WI board. He get lil quiet now that WIPA have a position on the board too.Wait have we ALL not been seeing what has happened to our WC players.
Not that I agree with someone from FPATT being a member of the TTFF board, but I figure it would be a long time in coming before Jackula allow that to happen.
This has led to FPATT, and in particular, myself, as being described as confrontational.
When do we expect the squad for Guadeloupe to be called up and will FPATT negotiate the match fees? Or is TTFF already trying to work things under the table without FPATT again?
I have used this site to put across FPATT information and, at times, have aired my personal views. This is not always helpful, as the federation obviously takes note of this site and the comments made on it. There has been discussion about my postings here, but I have felt that we do not have the luxury of access to the press in the same way that the federation does. This has led to FPATT, and in particular, myself, as being described as confrontational. However, I continue to believe it is essential that supporters understand FPATTs views and are kept up to date as much as possible.
When do we expect the squad for Guadeloupe to be called up and will FPATT negotiate the match fees? Or is TTFF already trying to work things under the table without FPATT again?
FPATT are hopeful that Mr Camps will invite us for talks to discuss this subject.
The TTFF also announced the eight overseas-based players invited for the friendly international. They include Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones, Swansea City striker Jason Scotland, Wrexham midfielder Silvio Spann, Walsall goalkeeper Clayton Ince, Ujpest FC midfielder Densill Theobald, MLS-based Collin Samuel, Sparta Rotterdam forward Darryl Roberts, Southampton striker Stern John and Sunderland midfielder Carlos Edwards who has indicated that he expects to return from injury in time for the affair.
Ah love de work being done and everything, and ah know FPATT done say he have ah connection dey, but WHY SPURS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :devil:
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:Coop's dais where ya have you tourney every year?
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.
Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!
Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!ya gorn over to the dark side....is Shark & Bake :devil:
Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!
did you put pineapple in your bake and shark? ;D
nice work btw. Very well done :)
Yes it's my home town when ever i'm in T&T,i've been plugging away at it since my father introduced me to the area since the days when i represented our country,i'm always doing things there because they still look forward to me doing things in the area,a little tournament at least is what i can afford to do with the time i have.:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:Coop's dais where ya have you tourney every year?
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.
maybe FPATT could be there when you do it againYes it's my home town when ever i'm in T&T,i've been plugging away at it since my father introduced me to the area since the days when i represented our country,i'm always doing things there because they still look forward to me doing things in the area,a little tournament at least is what i can afford to do with the time i have.:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:Coop's dais where ya have you tourney every year?
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.
Good work FPATT
The old HOLSTEN Hummel Tottenham SHIRT used to look reallllllll Sick. Wish I can get my hands on one of them...........It was thick. It was in teh Hoddle days!
Good work FPATT
The old HOLSTEN Hummel Tottenham SHIRT used to look reallllllll Sick. Wish I can get my hands on one of them...........It was thick. It was in teh Hoddle days!
word! that was the adidas one right? it was wicked.
CAUSE FOR ALARM
FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments
Lasana Liburd
Tuesday, February 12th 2008
Up to match day, the national players had to go on the T&TFF's word that they were insured against injury, while England-based players were offered stand-by economy tickets for their return trips. Football team manager David Muhammad said that FPATT was involved in the drawing up of the match contracts but Hislop insisted they never saw the document before the friendly game, which ended goalless.
I now see why Roy Keane mentioned the tickets economy I can understand standby is just ridiculous. I know there are some issues and we have some muppets in charge of our game, but I feel for you, it must be heartbreaking to have people like that in charge of your football.the most telling characteristic of Mr Warner is that, even though he is a FIFA Vice President and President of CONCACAF and CFU, he openly flaunts his disrespect for the objectives that FIFA have been tryin to institute in many countries concerning player associations.
i have a very bad feeling about this.
BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me
BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me:whistling:
BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me
You've been saying it for a year now... (thanks for preaching de word bredda) The truth is becoming evident now...
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" Bob Marley (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p7pAvbjChQM)<----CLICK HERE
Our players deserve better... rise up now >:(
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
Mr mc there's one problem that could halt any stands and render the programme null and void, the caps. if those ballers want to keep working in europe , they need caps, and jack is all to familiar with that, hence the reason for his arrogance towards footballers.THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
Mr mc there's one problem that could halt any stands and render the programme null and void, the caps. if those ballers want to keep working in europe , they need caps, and jack is all to familiar with that, hence the reason for his arrogance towards footballers.THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.as far as I can figure out, it was the JACKlisted players who sued to get their money.
Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
The only way to solve this problem is to sacrifice 2010, take on Jack and his puppet Oliver Camps and change the system now. All players must unanimously take a stand. From Under 15 to Seniors. Where are the parents who care? Where are the club administrators who care? Look at the foolishness he try in Dominica. Even FIFA ethics had to oppose his decision on that. Why can't Trinis tak afirm stand. Steeeuuuups!!!!
All Englandnites on the forum, Go to EPL matches this with a banner saying " Jackula pay the players" . You will get worldwide coverage about the issue
All Englandnites on the forum, Go to EPL matches this with a banner saying " Jackula pay the players" . You will get worldwide coverage about the issue
I agree with this....Jack eh go kno what to do wit heself....fat tongue cobeaux face modda c*nt......and well i doh care bout camps he have a vagina so he cud hull he own....
I rel wa dese fellas stop mash up we football.....
Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
FIFA have accepted FIFPro recognised players associations and are positively encouraging Dispute Resolution Chambers containing 50% players representatives. As FIFA VP, Warner should be sacked for misconduct.Blatter is where he is because of the votes that Warner garnerd for him
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...
i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...
i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...
i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.
Ah blanking ... what do psychologists call this? say something negative to geh a positive reaction ... who knows omar, yuh stmt might be motivational in de end
ONCE AGAIN T&T PLAYERS PLEASE LISTEN! IF YOU DON'T WHORE YOURSELF FOR JACKS MONEY, YOU WILL HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE ALL OF YOUR DESTINIES. MEN ON THIS FORUM ARE TALKING ABOUT CAPS AND SUCH, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU PLAYERS CAN CHANGE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU BY NOT CO-OPERATING WITH THE TTFF!!!! DO NOT PLAY FOR THEM! IN AMERICA AND ALL OVER THE WORLD BLACK PEOPLE DIED FOR THEIR FREDDOM, DIED FOR THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY AS FREE MEN, AND ALL OF US HAVE CONTRIBUTED FROM THE STAND THEY MADE! DON'T TELL ME ABOUT CAPS, TAKE A STAND AND BE A MAN! IF THEY WON'T RESPECT YOU AS A MAN, THEN SHOW THEM THAT YOU ARE A MAN BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN. DIVIDED YOU WILL ONLY EXPERIENCE THE SAME SHIT YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, BUT TOGETHER THEY CANNOT STOP YOU! BE A MAN AND TAKE A STAND! STOP LETTING THE FEW IN THE TTFF PLAY WITH YOUR FUTURE! TAKE THE REIGNS AND START CONTROLLING YOUR OWN DESTINY. STOP BEING SOFT!!!We have to be sympathetic to our Footballers,i don't think it's about being a man,not playing for T&T will affect these guys,we have to look at the pros and cons of this move,Jack knows that and is taking advantage of the situation,it's not being soft it's their bread and butter they playing with.
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!
STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!
IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!
IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!
DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!Soory to hear that man, but i would be willing to bet there are many more like you who have done the same for TnT.
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!Well said Breds,i've been there,at least you had the common sense to move on,i think things like this people have to make personal decisions,some don't have options so they are stuck,it's really sad,as players we can only feel for each other.
Their lord you say when my heart is troubled i should come to you this man have many heart troubled, lord i am askin this day to realese us from this :devil: spirit JACK WARNER that has come upon our soca warriors please lord i believe and i know you would answer my prez lord , lord give him nightmares that he would be afraid to sleep at nights , show him what you would do to him if he do not free your people the SOCA WARRIORS i am thankin you and prazin your mighty name amen.ask of it Zulu
Mr Austin "Jack" Warner, FIFA VP, President of CONCACAF and CFU, United National Congress Alliance chairman and co-leader, and Football Club owner.FPATT is in no way, shape or form a "FIFA initiative".
very impressive CV, ent?
but I still can't believe that he refuses to Recognise the FPATT, as it is a FIFA initiative to setup player associations.
FIFA wants palyers associations to be formed....FIFA gave beans to Russia recentlyMr Austin "Jack" Warner, FIFA VP, President of CONCACAF and CFU, United National Congress Alliance chairman and co-leader, and Football Club owner.FPATT is in no way, shape or form a "FIFA initiative".
very impressive CV, ent?
but I still can't believe that he refuses to Recognise the FPATT, as FIFAinitiative(Wheys, used the wrong word) has a memorandum of understanding with FIFPro to setup player associations.
Last week, Sunderland manager Roy Keane expressed reluctance to release Trinidad and Tobago winger Carlos Edwards for international duty against Jamaica tomorrow and, after Saturday's English Premiership fixture, claimed that Edwards and striker Kenwyne Jones were unavailable to the Warriors on medical grounds.
The T&TFF accepted Keane's verdict and, according to press officer Shaun Fuentes, will not pursue the matter.
could it be a case ofLast week, Sunderland manager Roy Keane expressed reluctance to release Trinidad and Tobago winger Carlos Edwards for international duty against Jamaica tomorrow and, after Saturday's English Premiership fixture, claimed that Edwards and striker Kenwyne Jones were unavailable to the Warriors on medical grounds.Doesn't this contradict the other report?
The T&TFF accepted Keane's verdict and, according to press officer Shaun Fuentes, will not pursue the matter.
"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).[/size]
Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.
"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).[/size]
Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.
"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.
Sounds like the players need to talk to their attorneys before going to the press...that is hardly cause for concern.
Players cannot be fined, banned.
By Keith Clement. (Feb 15, 2003)
“There is no way the committee will support our decision.”
That is the feeling voiced by some members of the 19 professional players that were suspended by the T&T Football Federation on January 28.
The players are concerned with the TTFF hand-picked Arbitration Committee, which comprises Joey Carew, a West Indies senior team selector; Sandra Basheer, a government communications specialist; and Omar Khan, Powergen corporate communication manager.
Speaking to the Sunday Guardian on anonymity, one player said the TTFF has appointed a three-member committee with no representation for the players, so how can justice be done?
The player pointed out: “Ms Basheer was chief executive officer of the Local Organising Committee (LOC) for the 2001 FIFA Under-17 World Cup that T&T hosted. That committee was chaired by Mr Jack Warner, a TTFF advisor, and Ms Basheer was appointed by the TTFF.
“Mr Khan, was also involved in the staging of the FIFA Under-17 World Cup as chairman of the Stadia Board of Management, and he is a very close friend of Mr Warner (FIFA vice president Austin Jack Warner).
“All over the world in arbitration cases, each side selects one member. Then the two members select the third person, who serves as chairperson,” the player said.
“How are we going to get a fair deal when the TTFF appointed all three persons?”
Another player said: “The only person we think will be fair would be Mr Carew, because he was once a player and many people even our advisors have a lot of respect for him.”
One player noted: “According to the the Oxford dictionary, arbitration means settlement of a dispute by an impartial third party. How could we expect Ms Basheer and Mr Khan to be impartial knowing how close they are to the TTFF?”
Another said: “We were told the committee would not be making a decision, so then the magic question is what is the purpose of the committee?”
After the players were suspended, the Sports Ministry met with TTFF president Oliver Camps and instructed the federation to get the matter settled quickly if it wishes to get funds from the Government.
Efforts to contact Oliver Camps, the Football Federation president, and his secretary Richard Groden proved futile. Both men were said to be in meetings whenever the Sunday Guardian called.
Warner is in South Africa as a guest to the country’s Government.
However, a source close to both of the suspended players and the TTFF disagreed with the players thinking about the outcome of the matter.
“Ms Basheer told the players her role and of the committee was to listen to what they had to say and at no time would she get in any argument, or in a shouting match with any of them,” he said.
The dog needs to stop barking and start biting.How about you get off FPATT's ass?
Yes Sir.The dog needs to stop barking and start biting.How about you get off FPATT's ass?
Yes Sir.
Breds it seem like you have a personel beef with me,you eh see i did not respond to your post,what's your problem if i have a problem with FPATT?if you don't i so far find they not effective and unless i see they doing something positive that will be my view.Yes Sir.
lol...I'm just saying. In all your posts on the issue of the players' association you seem unnecessarily critical of FPATT, which I personally find kinda surprising. I would think that as a former national player you would be appreciative of what it is the players' association is trying to do. As a former national player you should be receiving a stipend/pension or something from the TTFF for your services. I don't know...but my guess is that other federations probably do this already.
Whatever personal benefit to you aside, one would think that you more than any of us would be supportive of FPATT...instead you seem to be persistently critical of the organization, and it's just kinda perplexing. But anyways, such is your right :beermug:
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).[/size]
Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.
"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court. They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.
The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact. Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation. All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.
Breds it seem like you have a personel beef with me,you eh see i did not respond to your post,what's your problem if i have a problem with FPATT?if you don't i so far find they not effective and unless i see they doing something positive that will be my view.
I played ball for the Army they were my employers not TTFF and up to today i still getting benefits from it,i served my country and i also receiving benefits still today,i don't really know where you going with this but i thought i should let you know.Everything is about money today,when FPATT get thouugh let me know.
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court. They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.
The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact. Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation. All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.
why take care of all that stuff after the fact when they can straighten it out now
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court. They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.
The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact. Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation. All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.
why take care of all that stuff after the fact when they can straighten it out now
How...by voicing disapproval in the papers? Protests? Strike?
The clause governs any disputes between the Federation and the players...so both parties will end up before some arbiter or the other. TTFF insists (in the clause) that they have a right to choose the forum...the law says otherwise. That stipulation likely isn't worth the paper it's printed on, so why worry up front about something that ultimately may be unenforceable in the end?
"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."
so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling
patty is fuh chi chi man.....and little boys.....we running ah roti shop.
"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."
so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling
Last time I checked there were direct flights from London to Kingston. Seems like the T&TFF is running a patty shop similar to what one crenston boxhill did with the JFF recently.
patty is fuh chi chi man.....and little boys.....we running ah roti shop.
"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."
so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling
Last time I checked there were direct flights from London to Kingston. Seems like the T&TFF is running a patty shop similar to what one crenston boxhill did with the JFF recently.
It's all well and good if they know the law is protecting them. I certainly hope they know it now.
Obviously 5 years ago they didn't and put their fate in the hands of just such a TTFF panel.
yuh mean yuh aunt had ah toti when yuh was growing up...dat would make she yuh uncle.
yuh know yuh is ah blasted troll, yuh does come here with yuh attempts at social engineering...some does bite, I feel when Sam meet yuh and rest ah big stone on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear from here :devil:
yuh mean yuh aunt had ah toti when yuh was growing up...dat would make she yuh uncle.
yuh know yuh is ah blasted troll, yuh does come here with yuh attempts at social engineering...some does bite, I feel when Sam meet yuh and rest ah big stone on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear from here :devil:
Truetrini, what is a Toti?
And what exactly do you mean by this: ....on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear....
:timeout:
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.I hope people not getting me wrong,if is one person that like the idea of forming an organization like FPATT is me,i think it's important to T&T Football in general.If you look back at the history of our Football you will realize it's not the first time we have tried having an organization like this,the same thing going on now with FPATT and the TTFF is nothing new to me,i was and had been a part of it,i've seen clubs and players destroyed because of it,good people gave up the game, got banned for life because they took a stand for the betterment of the game,nobody not telling me nothing here that i don't know,if FPATT wants to do something for the players they have to stop speaking on behalf of players and start acting on behalf of players because you will not win TTFF with talk,it's not the first time Kelvin Jack and them have been rejected by the TTFF and i'm not saying they should give up either,the thing is nobody is willing to give up what they have for T&T Football every body very carefull with what they doing or saying,it's peoples bread and butter they dealing with,the players are not presenting a united front,if one players not signing contracts none should,if one not accepting payments none should,if all can't travel first class none should,if a couple say they not playing for T&T none should,women,youths etc etc this is how they will have some effect.
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.I hope people not getting me wrong,if is one person that like the idea of forming an organization like FPATT is me,i think it's important to T&T Football in general.If you look back at the history of our Football you will realize it's not the first time we have tried having an organization like this,the same thing going on now with FPATT and the TTFF is nothing new to me,i was and had been a part of it,i've seen clubs and players destroyed because of it,good people gave up the game, got banned for life because they took a stand for the betterment of the game,nobody not telling me nothing here that i don't know,if FPATT wants to do something for the players they have to stop speaking on behalf of players and start acting on behalf of players because you will not win TTFF with talk,it's not the first time Kelvin Jack and them have been rejected by the TTFF and i'm not saying they should give up either,the thing is nobody is willing to give up what they have for T&T Football every body very carefull with what they doing or saying,it's peoples bread and butter they dealing with,the players are not presenting a united front,if one players not signing contracts none should,if one not accepting payments none should,if all can't travel first class none should,if a couple say they not playing for T&T none should,women,youths etc etc this is how they will have some effect.
Is there any other country in the Caribbean that have this problem?we laugh at Jamaica after their WC qualification,look how long that was and up to now they have not gotten back to where they were,there are a lot of lesson we should have learned from their experiences but it's T&T that can't happen to us,keep blaming Jack Warner is the same thing Jamaica does do always blaming the boss,a country is the people and like Football without players there is no Football(just a thought).
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.I hope people not getting me wrong,if is one person that like the idea of forming an organization like FPATT is me,i think it's important to T&T Football in general.If you look back at the history of our Football you will realize it's not the first time we have tried having an organization like this,the same thing going on now with FPATT and the TTFF is nothing new to me,i was and had been a part of it,i've seen clubs and players destroyed because of it,good people gave up the game, got banned for life because they took a stand for the betterment of the game,nobody not telling me nothing here that i don't know,if FPATT wants to do something for the players they have to stop speaking on behalf of players and start acting on behalf of players because you will not win TTFF with talk,it's not the first time Kelvin Jack and them have been rejected by the TTFF and i'm not saying they should give up either,the thing is nobody is willing to give up what they have for T&T Football every body very carefull with what they doing or saying,it's peoples bread and butter they dealing with,the players are not presenting a united front,if one players not signing contracts none should,if one not accepting payments none should,if all can't travel first class none should,if a couple say they not playing for T&T none should,women,youths etc etc this is how they will have some effect.
Is there any other country in the Caribbean that have this problem?we laugh at Jamaica after their WC qualification,look how long that was and up to now they have not gotten back to where they were,there are a lot of lesson we should have learned from their experiences but it's T&T that can't happen to us,keep blaming Jack Warner is the same thing Jamaica does do always blaming the boss,a country is the people and like Football without players there is no Football(just a thought).
You say FPATT needs to stop talking on the parts of players and start acting on the parts of players. Acting, how...in what manner?
I think we're all cognizant of the fact that the players are not united...is this the fault of FPATT? As I see it FPATT is trying to act on the behalf of players but it's faced with many challenges, chiefly:
1. Finances- little to no money is available to FPATT. The donations recently made by the players will go a long way to addressing this, but it's only a start.
2. Player apathy- some are truly apathetic meaning they couldn't be bothered. Others are cautious, many don't want to be seen as being enemies of the TTFF. I imagine others are neither apathetic nor cautious, some just hesitant to get on board...waiting for the bandwagon to get rolling before they try and hop on.
3. The TTFF- still a very real and potent force with which to be reckoned and seemingly bent on intimidating tactics. Their goal seems to be one of speak loudly, puff up yuh chest, flap your wings and try and appear bigger than you truly are...in hopes of cowering the players. Sad to say it's working. On top of that they refuse to acknowledge FPATT as being representative of the players.
...others can feel free to append.
So Coops...with all that said, what do you propose FPATT should do to overcome these obstacles...what should be the first step? Used to be we'd get about three updates a week from FPATT letting us know of the progress/lack thereof being made. Now we're lucky if we get three a month...and still you say they should talk less and do more.
What more do you realistically think should be done. I ask not because I'm trying to be contentious, but because you said you have been part of a similar process before and obviously that failed, so maybe you have good ideas that FPATT can put to use and maybe they can learn from your experience.
Looking forward to your response.
All i will say to you Breds is if i had the answers we or anybody else in the past would not have failed.I might be wrong but my feeling is you can't expect TTFF to embrace you if everything is a fight/arguement,we have to warm up to these people first get them on your side,they seeing us as an opposition and it will not work,i'm sure everybody want to play in that game against England,contract will not matter,injury or no injury they will fly back home,this is what Jack have on everybody,he will find a way for that game to play in T&T.
All i will say to you Breds is if i had the answers we or anybody else in the past would not have failed.I might be wrong but my feeling is you can't expect TTFF to embrace you if everything is a fight/arguement,we have to warm up to these people first get them on your side,they seeing us as an opposition and it will not work,i'm sure everybody want to play in that game against England,contract will not matter,injury or no injury they will fly back home,this is what Jack have on everybody,he will find a way for that game to play in T&T.
No answers...I see.
So you say that everything seems to be a fight as far as FPATT is concerned. The only fight really has been over the money promised to the players. Do you believe that the players are owed this money as promised...or do you think it's just greed on their part?
How should FPATT have gone about trying to secure the money promised the players? Or should they have even undertaken the matter at all? What do you think?
Since Jack will have his way no matter what should FPATT just give up the ghost and lay down so he can continue to walk all over the players? Or should they 'fight' for the rights of the players?
Thanks in advance.
What i said was this is how the TTFF views the organization,they have always veiwed us that way,before you start they going to say no,they just don't want to hear you,this is because of experiences they have had in the past,how about we start with a list of things that both organizations can agree on and go from there.
I remember some time ago the US national team players had some problems with pay etc i don'rt know exactly how it was settled but the players had stopped playing until it was settled.
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF
Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.
FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up. The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries. But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.
They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful. The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.
It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF
Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.
FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up. The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries. But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.
They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful. The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.
It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.
I know why ,if they support they will get ban to .Let these guys fight it out for them ,while there banned they will get the Caps and workpermits ,then they will fight from England too ,trinis ent stupid .Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF
Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.
FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up. The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries. But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.
They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful. The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.
It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.
What I don't understand is why the local guys are so resentful of FPATT. The overseas players have benefitted by being in unions. They got screwed out of world cup money so they're going to arbitration. They never needed to form FPATT to help themselves. But they did it so the locals and the future internationals won't get screwed again. I don't see any of them sitting in fancy offices in Trinidad or taking salaries. Shaka has a job and the others are playing abroad.
My question is....Why the hell are they bothering? All they get is resentment from the locals, suspision from many supporters and reprisals from TTFF. They have cut them selves of from any future with the current administration in a coaching or management role.
And I don't see any pro FPATT press articles from anyone except Lasana, so it looks like all the other papers are afraid to go up against TTFF.
I honestly think if I was one of the FPATT members, I would just earn my English pounds and just come back to Trinidad for holidays and international call ups. I know you'll tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this what Yorke and Latapy have done? I don't know if they're members, but they never risked their careers to help the local boys did they? (I've only been on this site for 9 months and I don't remember seeing anything about these two supporting FPATT-but I may be wrong.)
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF
Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.
FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up. The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries. But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.
They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful. The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.
It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.
What I don't understand is why the local guys are so resentful of FPATT. The overseas players have benefitted by being in unions. They got screwed out of world cup money so they're going to arbitration. They never needed to form FPATT to help themselves. But they did it so the locals and the future internationals won't get screwed again. I don't see any of them sitting in fancy offices in Trinidad or taking salaries. Shaka has a job and the others are playing abroad.
My question is....Why the hell are they bothering? All they get is resentment from the locals, suspision from many supporters and reprisals from TTFF. They have cut them selves of from any future with the current administration in a coaching or management role.
And I don't see any pro FPATT press articles from anyone except Lasana, so it looks like all the other papers are afraid to go up against TTFF.
I honestly think if I was one of the FPATT members, I would just earn my English pounds and just come back to Trinidad for holidays and international call ups. I know you'll tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this what Yorke and Latapy have done? I don't know if they're members, but they never risked their careers to help the local boys did they? (I've only been on this site for 9 months and I don't remember seeing anything about these two supporting FPATT-but I may be wrong.)
steups...dealing with some ah allyuh men is a real study in patience yes.
I remember some time ago the US national team players had some problems with pay etc i don'rt know exactly how it was settled but the players had stopped playing until it was settled.
As you undoubtedly heard, the USA got entangled in acrimonious contract negotiations between federation and players. Training camps and friendlies were cancelled, nasty names were called, and the FA recruited a bunch of "replacement players" to play the opener at T&T. The dispute's over, and it's not worth going into the details (hint: it involved money). But it's worth knowing that the players offered to play the T&T game while negotiations were proceeding, but the federation said no and locked them out of camp.http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/2006/concacaf_p04.html
poor you....why do you even bother. I guess that is the burden of a super hero. (that will have to suffice as response to the immature emotional tone)
As for the points u raised that actually have substance:
Shaka is no god and while I respect his character I will not be so naive to rule out he may think football is better off without Warner or at the very least needs someone to put him in his place.
You find it difficult to believe I don't understand FPATT's role in the dispute because I do in fact understand their role. In the context of how they deal with TTFF the dispute plays a big part in the hostile relationship.
If I am out of touch with reality imagine the rest of the T&T public. This could just be lack of information and we are supposed to assume stuff is going on....and that is taking into account I am aware of the workshops. Those are the things they need to do more of or at least have it on record if they want the public to know what they are doing. They can't control what press releases are carried but launching their website would help because when most of the time the stuff in the papers is about Shaka complaining about flight arrangements for foreign based to come back and overall mostly things concerning the national team or that stupidness about the concacaf check, forgive those of us who may be led to believe that is an indication of their focus.
Enough with the soon part it can be as simple as just text or a page with links to press releases that are stored in a folder....it takes the same effort to write them up as to put them online. All their unpublished press releases can go there.
I agree TTFF has taken a hostile stance against FPATT but I also believe that FPATT taking an aggressive hostile position in response is naively playing right into their hands. It suits them just fine to slog it out in the papers and avoid having to deal with them. Sort of like if you are trying to convince someone of your opinion you wouldn't be condescending and obnoxious...ah mean that obviously won't work regardless of their attitude.
The other thing is patience....you can focus on doing things like the workshops and other activities you do not need the TTFF for....do those well and earn the players respect and trust by making sure people know about it. After that you can push for more. Right now FPATT form yesterday and demanding everything all at once even when this $$ dispute makes that highly unlikely considering the linkage betw FPATT and the 16.
As for legitimacy...is not in TTFF eyes is in the players eyes. If the majority of the team not with FPATT how FPATT going to negotiate the contracts? Perception matters a whole lot for FPATT so if they want people and the players to see the "truth" about how they are focusing mostly on the T&T based players then their press releases and activities should reflect same. I believe they could do a better job on that front but it will ultimately be up to the players and also the general public what they think of FPATT. If the public sees them as just there to fight with Jack then TTFF will be able to continue shunning them...and don't expect any help from FIFA because they and FIFPro ain't always on good terms.
Whatever criticism they get here is for their own good and should be seen as such. Whatever they decide to do time will be the judge.
They can't control what press releases are carried but launching their website would help because when most of the time the stuff in the papers is about Shaka complaining about flight arrangements for foreign based to come back and overall mostly things concerning the national team or that stupidness about the concacaf check, forgive those of us who may be led to believe that is an indication of their focus.
(http://www.fpatt.org/logo42.jpg)
Enough with the soon part it can be as simple as just text or a page with links to press releases that are stored in a folder....it takes the same effort to write them up as to put them online. All their unpublished press releases can go there.
At the very least they should redirect their web domain to Flex's page here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/FPATT.htm
That shouldn't take more than a minute to do.
The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) in conjunction with the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs will be holding a meeting on tomorrow to help promote the right of players in Trinidad and Tobago.These are positive signs,when you have the support of departments like this it gives you more teeth,good work Shaka please don't give up.
The meeting will be held at the President’s Box of the Queen’s Park Oval at 2.00 pm. The Ministry, in principle, has already indicated their support of FPATT’s aims and objectives which is in keeping with the ideals of the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) which the Ministry supports.
FPATT president and former TT goalkeeper, Shaka Hislop will be present in a symbolic handover of FPATT’s constitution, three year budget and other relevant documents.
Good news.
Though there is no women's pro league yet, are the women playing on the national team eligible to sign up for FPATT?
The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) in conjunction with the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs will be holding a meeting on tomorrow to help promote the right of players in Trinidad and Tobago.
The meeting will be held at the President’s Box of the Queen’s Park Oval at 2.00 pm. The Ministry, in principle, has already indicated their support of FPATT’s aims and objectives which is in keeping with the ideals of the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) which the Ministry supports.
FPATT president and former TT goalkeeper, Shaka Hislop will be present in a symbolic handover of FPATT’s constitution, three year budget and other relevant documents.
So what the TTFF have to say now? Or rather, What does Jack have to say? Where is their budget? Bring it on Jack! Bring it on!ent :applause:
I wish dem well but it hard 2 but your head out for peps who eh have d balls to sign a formWeary i kind of sympathise with the players and we have to understand this is something new to them especially the locals who are not true Pros in the sense,most of these guys have a job and play Football part time,the Pros at home is more or less the foreigners,i know for sure Defence Force players can't sign that,i'm sure the same goes for Police and other services,how many players are full time Pros in T&T that's why may be peps don't have balls to sign,most local players i don't think depend on Football solely as a livelihood if they did i think they would.Shaka and his organisation has to set up meetings with each club and sell this thing to them,i'm sure we on this website know more about PFATT than T&T players.
I don't think FPATT is only for professional footballers, so anybody could join.My understanding it was only for professional players,that's why some people was asking about women players etc etc
It so easy for FPATT to make up the documents the Minister ask for and submit it. TTFF playing the arse.
BTW....looking at the picture, ah find that proposal kinda small boy.
Like is a one page something that saying...
"What we want...1st year - $1million TT....2nd yr - 2million.....3rd yr - 3million."
;D
I don't think FPATT is only for professional footballers, so anybody could join.My understanding it was only for professional players,that's why some people was asking about women players etc etc
It so easy for FPATT to make up the documents the Minister ask for and submit it. TTFF playing the arse.
BTW....looking at the picture, ah find that proposal kinda small boy.
Like is a one page something that saying...
"What we want...1st year - $1million TT....2nd yr - 2million.....3rd yr - 3million."
;D
Shaka Hislop outlined that his organisation will not only be serving national players and professionals but also the women players and those playing as semi professionals.
FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
T&T Guardian Reports.[/size]
Football Players Association of T&T (FPATT) intends to shape the future of professional football in the country. In it’s mission statement, FPATT will also be providing a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining which includes international appearance fees. In addition, the association will be providing a minimum standard contract of employment for professional footballers and youth players.
Football Players Association of T&T
Mission Statement
1. To provide an elected representative body that can address the concerns of professional footballers in T&T.
2. To achieve 100 per cent membership of professional footballers in T&T.
3. To provide professional footballers with the ability through a representative body to help govern and shape the future of profesional football in T&T.
4. To provide a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining on behalf of the membership including pre-set international appearance fees.
5. To provide a maximum standard contract of employement for professional footballers and youth players to provide security for clubs and players alike and to give players access to free legal advice.
6. To arrange sponsorship and funding to put into place insurance for players in case of career ending injuries.
7. To work alongside TTFF to help encourage football in the community projects to help to increase the attraction of the professional game in T&T with both supporters and prospective players.
8. To arrange an affordable professional footballers group pension scheme with the long term aim of clubs contributing on behalf of players.
9. To provide education and advice to assist players leaving the game to obtain new careers outside football.
10. To liaise with FIFPRO and the other COINCACAF players associations to develop similar working practices across the region, improving the attraction of football as a profession and increasing the standards of professional football in the Caribnbean.
11. To lobby for changes in the governing of the game at all levels to provide financial transparency.
12. To provide player representation for the benefit of players and clubs alike, to reduce much needed finances going to outside parties, and to arrange in association with the TTFF more stringent agent licensing.
(http://www.guardian.co.tt/fpatt%202%20pg%2079.jpg)
DAVE BOBB (right) of the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, attracts the attention of LEONSON LEWIS (left) and CLAYTON MORRIS (centre) at the Football Players Association of T&T press conference last week at Queen’s Park Oval. In Bob’s hand is documents asked for by his ministry from FPATT. Photo: Clyden Mc Donald.
Dread, ah feel real realllllllll proud to see meh own boys sharp as evah, organized, professionally dressed, creatively uniformed in businesslike patriotic colours, visible as powerful marketing statements and ready to answer to media, oversight committee, political and accounting bodies.... And look who is de face of FPATT here. De baddest left winger to EVER play for T&T and de most no-nonsense captain/defender to play for T&T. These are fellahs who doh make joke when dey say dey serious and who doh stand, as another poster said, for no "4cree". Systematic planning bearing serious fruit. De only way to counter oppressive exploitation :applause: :applause:
Boy ah proud ah dem ... in stark contrast to the putrid kakaholeness of Jackula, Scamps, Rodent and dey exploitative bamcee-licking minions.
FPATT, you will have my support. Nuff respect :salute:
True talk indeed.
For all the (deserved) attention that Shaka gets here and in the press, let's not forget men like Clayton, Tiger, Leonson, Brent Sancho and Kelvin Jack. All these men are making valuable contributions far removed from the spotlight, and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team. Kudos to these fellas for getting this thing off the ground and running.
and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team.
and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team.
True dat.
I would really like to get the details on what went on in Gillingham back room for 2 world cup quality players to ketch their royal like that.
We had these made specially. Probably too hot and formal!
http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,40/?g2_itemId=251
Momento.
This is what bothering me. Now that this impasse is going into arbritration, will these guys sign contract before they play. How will the foreign and local players coordinate. Does FPATT have all the players(local and foreign) on board. I aint trusting TTFF. It could be divide and rule situation still.
Unfortunately, until TTFF are prepared to sit down with FPATT at the negotiating table, players have to decide whether or not to sign the contracts offered to them. Some players have refused to sign them and some have sign contracts covering World Cup qualifying matches.
There are aspects of these contracts that we are not happy with and have advised members not to sign. But players have to decide for themselves who has their best interests at heart.
Unfortunately, until TTFF are prepared to sit down with FPATT at the negotiating table, players have to decide whether or not to sign the contracts offered to them. Some players have refused to sign them and some have sign contracts covering World Cup qualifying matches.
There are aspects of these contracts that we are not happy with and have advised members not to sign. But players have to decide for themselves who has their best interests at heart.
What have been the repercussions for the players who have refused to sign these contracts? Who has refused to sign?
Thanks for the clarification FPATT and Fli. :beermug: :beermug: The players need to work as a unit on and off the field, they have tremendous leverage at present to bring about the recognition of FPATT. ;)Yeah yuh rite TNP,only one way tuh negate JW's trump card an daiz to re-trump him at de 11th hour.
This lack of unity is Jack's trump card. :banginghead:
What's the situation with the arbitration?is it settled or it still going on?
I saw a post that read "Warriors get big Bucks" when did they get that money?
What sort of conditions the present set of players playing under?
Are they all receiving the same pay?or is it based on experience?or is it based on a foreign/local system?
Are players being contracted per game or for the period of the WC?
Are FPATT members being insured through FPATT or TTFF?
There might be more questions that people want to add to the list,since you all have taken the responsibility to see about the welfare of the players may be you can shed some light on if any changes are being made concerning the treatment of players in the country.
Although i've asked these questions of FPATT,if any one can shed some light on this please feel free to update us.
What's the situation with the arbitration?is it settled or it still going on?
I saw a post that read "Warriors get big Bucks" when did they get that money?
What sort of conditions the present set of players playing under?
Are they all receiving the same pay?or is it based on experience?or is it based on a foreign/local system?
Are players being contracted per game or for the period of the WC?
Are FPATT members being insured through FPATT or TTFF?
There might be more questions that people want to add to the list,since you all have taken the responsibility to see about the welfare of the players may be you can shed some light on if any changes are being made concerning the treatment of players in the country.
Although i've asked these questions of FPATT,if any one can shed some light on this please feel free to update us.
I can shed light on the first two. Though liability has been confirmed by the consensual arbitration, the TTFF are just basically ignoring the result. The next step is for assessment of how much is owed to the players, which could perhaps involve some costly forensic accounting. But look forward to more litigation to get orders to see the accounts and orders to enforce the judgment.
The money the players had gotten was the charity witheld sum, which was supposed to be paid to a nominated charity a long time back, but was only paid before the final arbitration hearing.
"Contrary to what some people have said, (his international future) wasn't a topic of conversation before he signed his new contract at Sunderland."
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriouslyDoh get tie up!! Jack's eyes are wide open!! The question is whether or not the people who hear what Jack say have their eyes open.
When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation
Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously
When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation
Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously
When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation
Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Vampires doh have reflections :)
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriouslyDoh get tie up!! Jack's eyes are wide open!! The question is whether or not the people who hear what Jack say have their eyes open.
When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation
Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Ah go be de first to say that there is a lot of information and unanswered questions on Jack's dealing showing him to be a BIG crook. But if at the same time de big thief dat he is uncover corruption in another area why should we immediately dismiss it? Some of what Jack is pruporting to be taking place within the Ministry of Sports and SPORTT is troubling to me. If we are more concerned with the messenger and miss de message or worse yet do not want to lend any credibility to the message because of the messenger well we in a worse way.
Corruption in T&T should be exposed, regardless of who brings it to light.
Blessing
The financial boost will pump some life back into the Players Association, which has been dormant due to a lack of funds. It involves annual contributions over the next three year periods, after which Sport Minister Gary Hunt said FPATT must become "self-sufficient and self-reliant".
The financial boost will pump some life back into the Players Association, which has been dormant due to a lack of funds. It involves annual contributions over the next three year periods, after which Sport Minister Gary Hunt said FPATT must become "self-sufficient and self-reliant".
why de TTFF doh hada be "self-sufficient and self-reliant"
...... seta blasted vampires who feel dey entitled to handouts............
Are all the clubs in the TnT PRO League required to have their members join this association? FPATT
Are all the clubs in the TnT PRO League required to have their members join this association? FPATT
the quick answer is no, membership is voluntary.
Thanks, I was just wondering.
because I would think for them (FPATT) to work well, they need the TTPL to ensure that all their players are registered, so if they get a national call up, they would have representation when/if problems come up.
Guess the challenge lies with the TTPL though, as I think FPATT is a very important part of the game in TnT.
Hope something is done about it soon
Does FPATT still exist?
If it does, who's at the helm?
If not, is it being reborn to function again?
That's one vote that needs to be counted along with the coaches association vote during TTFA elections.
Represent people. Daiz 2 votes that could protect the country's football future in the next rongs and also now.
harrison found a new horse to ride. that was cute. :laugh:Does FPATT still exist?
If it does, who's at the helm?
If not, is it being reborn to function again?
That's one vote that needs to be counted along with the coaches association vote during TTFA elections.
Represent people. Daiz 2 votes that could protect the country's football future in the next rongs and also now.
There is a vote reserved for the Players Association (but not coaches) once they become functional... but FPATT in trouble. Harrison find a new horse to ride and so he's gone from advocating on behalf of players, to being part of management now. Not only that, but Shaka, who was the un/official President of FPATT, allegedly offered his services to Kenwyne and the current players and they tell him "thanks eh, but no thanks."
Just received some photos of the Fifpro Americas tournament in progress in Costa Rica. Makes me smh. No seat at the table. Lost opportunities.
There was a recent initiative in Panama by the players' union. Will update with details shortly.