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Football / TICKETS: England V JA

« on: April 04, 2006, 06:57:18 AM »

 Alright, I real confused.

After finally getting through to the English FA to find out which stands will be for the JA supporters and which for the English, I was told that "the englandfans association are only selling tickets for the England supporters' stands. For the JA stands you need to contact the Jamaican Football Federation."

So I did. And the woman on the phone had no idea what the hell I was talking about (made worse by the fact that on the reggaeboyz website it say contact the FA for tickets...). But she gave me the number for the 'ticket guy' who is appartently in London this morning. I left a message on his voicemail and will try him again later.

But what to do in the meanwhile? I real want to go to this match, but I'd hate to be stuck in the midst of england supporters...

Anyone have any insight or info?

Anyone buy tickets yet?

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Football / Re: T&T Football Clips (Google Video)

« on: April 03, 2006, 05:30:16 PM »

LOLOL. I away from my computer for a couple of hours and all dis ting happen? Pressure!

And no darlins, that is definitely not me. I could wine ;s

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Football / T&T Football Clips (Google Video)

« on: April 03, 2006, 08:31:18 AM »

FYI:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1323444863234158172&q=trinidad&pl=true - celebrations on Ariapita Ave

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3726699427341866898&q=trinidad&pl=true - Lawrence's goal

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2953482516152596936&q=trinidad&pl=true - Birchall's goal

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1227523420373086577&q=trinidad&pl=true - Stern John's goal against Mexico

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8190200921239120101&q=soca+warriors&pl=true - wicked anime ting

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Football / Re: Luton Town 1 - 0 Ipswich

« on: April 02, 2006, 04:20:25 PM »

Ey add me to that London list nah man!

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Football / "Official" Warriors Song - Round Two

« on: March 31, 2006, 08:11:17 AM »

T'n'T are having a blast with man of steel

Pan master puts the beat into the soca boys from Trinidad and Tobago

by Richard Edwards

virtuoso Dudley Nesbitt is set to be a star player for Trinidad and Tobago at this summer's football World Cup.
But Dudley, of Chapel Allerton, Leeds, won't be turning out on the pitch – he will be playing the steel pans on the record he hopes will propel the Caribbeans to glory in Germany.
The Roxholme Place resident laid down the steel rhythms behind the impossibly catchy tune Soca Warriors, Trinidad and Tobago's official World Cup song.
As previously reported in the YEP, the record was written by Leeds football nuts Choque Hosein and Paul Jepson.
It features Bradford-based Trinidadian Patrick Beggs as lead singer with Maggie Asseno, Joan Higgins and Jardine Farrell, all of Chapeltown, Leeds, providing the backing vocals.
Dudley said: "The record is very good, it is a hit. You can hear the Trinidadian input, but it has a European feel."
He arrived in Leeds in the late 1980s, when he got a job teaching steel pan playing in schools.
He now works in 12 schools, and one group of his students, from St Peter's School, Lincoln Green, picked up pan playing so well they were invited to perform at 10 Downing Street.
Dudley also plays gigs across the UK and the rest of Europe, both individually and with his band, Pan Jumby.
His first show came shortly after he came to Leeds, and was at the Central Station pub, since renamed The Wellington, in Wellington Street.
He said: "It was a short act, but word must have spread, because since then I have played in just about every pub in Leeds, in France and in Germany.
"I love the sound of the pan and the relaxing feeling of playing. It is the national instrument of Trinidad - there are steel pans in just about every garden."
Dudley gave the YEP an impromptu recital, in which his hands were a blur. As he picked out the notes on the pan, he hummed out the beat and appeared to be dancing in time.
But he explained: "It looks like dancing, but that is keeping the rhythm. The hardest thing to teach is not the playing but the posture. You can't stand still to play."
Despite teaching full-time, with extra classes at Leeds West Indian Centre, Dudley says he still doesn't get enough time to play: "I'd play the pan from Sunday to Saturday if I could. I don't even like taking holidays," he smiled.
l Soca Warriors is released on May 1. Dudley teaches at Leeds West Indian Centre on Wednesdays and Saturdays. For more details ring 0113 2629496.

richard.edwards@ypn.co.uk
http://www.leedstoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=39&ArticleID=1415030

Factfile
story of steel...
Steel pan is the official name the steel drum.
The pans are made from 45-gallon oil barrels, but are surprisingly light to lift.
Trinidadian traditional bamboo instruments were banned in the mid-1940s as they were used to conceal machetes. Musicians started making music with dustbins and paint pots – the first steel pans.
Bemused colonial Brits at first refused to believe a pan could make music, instead blaming black magic.
31 March 2006

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Football / Re: Your Top 5 T&T World Cup Memories (good or bad)

« on: March 31, 2006, 05:08:47 AM »

In NO Particular Order

1. Paul Caligari  goal on 19th 1989 

2. Dennis Lawerence Goal in Bahrain 

3. Kerry Jamerson Goal againt Guatamela 1989 

4. Losing to Haiti in the 70's

5. When Latapy said in Ato's Documentry.." You making me cry boy.. you making meh f-cking cry boy"

nice thread smi

My pleasure. I'll be posting the top responses either over the weekend or on Monday.

Question: there are many, many Trini fans out there like me - people too young to remember the details of 1989 (and definitely having no idea about anything in the 70s). What resources, if any, are available to people who want to see these goals for themselves? Experience the games and the places? Do archives exist?

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Football / Your Top 5 T&T World Cup Memories (good or bad)

« on: March 30, 2006, 06:50:34 AM »

Hi all

Some of you know that I blog for the T&T World Cup Blog. I'd like to do a post on the top T&T World Cup memories. Feedback would be welcome. I'd attribute anything that I use on the blog to this thread/forum.

To kick things off, a couple of mine are (in no particular order)

- Kelvin Jack's last second save against Bahrain
- Dennis Lawrence's goal
- Being five years old and crying because we'd lost to the USA in 1989. And having no idea why I was crying except that everyone else around me was too.

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Football / Re: VOODOO WARRIORS?

« on: March 29, 2006, 03:11:56 AM »

UK Warrior Nation Crew dis is what you have to do

SPELLS FOR ENEMIES

Nah I doh deal up with dem ting. I prefer psychological warfare ;s

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Football / Re: Is Jack that bad

« on: March 26, 2006, 03:21:14 PM »

eh, so Kitchener et al, our musicians, are unrepresentative of T&T because they don't belong to a team? David Rudder as an exponent of the form? I mean, there's a HUGE difference between the contempt shown by people like Naipaul and the contributions of the John La Rose's of this world, who died without anyone knowing what he'd done for the country.

....but yes, we definitely off topic.

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Football / Re: Is Jack that bad

« on: March 26, 2006, 03:09:24 PM »

Ah, you see I disagree. Whether or not men like Sparrow and Kitch was doing things to make money, they are our cultural icons, and we shoulda taken better care. Why we must build a house for Lara and have people like Chalkie living in obscurity to all but the few?

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Football / Re: Is Jack that bad

« on: March 26, 2006, 02:38:22 PM »

Can we not lobby for sportsmen/entertainers who gain international status, receive some kind a pension for life.
 There should be some measure to reward our " Heroes". People like Sparrow , Rudder or past greats like Gally etc, after say selling  #s records or playing #s matches or winning # medals , should receive some award , which would entitle them to some kind of  additional pension after 65.
Political Ambassadors and politicians get it, so why not our real ambassadors

  Now that is class. Cultural ambassadors - lord knows we need them. As Explainer said - how we does treat our heroes so!

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Football / Re: Is Jack that bad

« on: March 26, 2006, 11:15:35 AM »

I've been thinking about this for awhile. We all know the platitudes - it good to have a Trini on FIFA, how else we woulda get (everything from CONCACAF seeding to the World Cup Draw). I can't deny that Jack is a brilliant administrator, someone who turned CONCACAF around and made us an international force to be reckoned with.

At the same time, no, he's not good for T&T football. We are an international laughing stock - nuff people in England is be like, oho, Jack Warner - ent he real corrupt? We are steadily losing any respect that our Warriors earned by qualifying. FIFA is institutionally corrupt, from top to bottom, but do we have to be so closely associated with that corruption? The man tried to deny Lasana accreditation - ah mean, Liburd is a damn good writer. And all of this UNC/PNM simmy dimmy - when people have to ask if the reason the TTFF not supporting the LOC cultural contingent to Germany have to do with the Jack-PNM divide - how that could be a good ting?

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Football / Re: Is Jack that bad

« on: March 26, 2006, 11:00:00 AM »

Kingman I have to agree with yuh there.De man did a lot for T&T football.Invested many hours and millions of dollars. The ticket fiasco was Warner's attempt to get a return on his investment.I can't blame him for that, but the conflict of interest was just to glaring ...he should have know better.

I cannot agree. Are you saying that he 'deserves' to hold the monopoly on ticket sales, to the detriment of every T&T national and/or die-hard supporter? Are you saying that he should have done it in a less 'obvious' way and that would have been alright?

Yes, Mr. Warner has done alot for T&T football. He has given much to charities. That does not and cannot justify the extent of the corruption that has come to be associated with him, his family and their ventures.

This casual acceptance that we Trinis for the politricks and machinations of our so-called leaders has got to change.

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Football / Andre Cooper ?

« on: March 26, 2006, 09:50:40 AM »

Some of them do. London Met, Loughborough...The big name sports unis.

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Football / Re: BIG LAUNCH IN CANADA TODAY POI POI

« on: March 26, 2006, 08:46:52 AM »

ah, but when is the London session? It finally getting lil warm out here nah...

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General Discussion / Re: Name all Trinbagoians from A to Z, famous or not !!!

« on: March 26, 2006, 08:45:24 AM »

Yes, Kwan is a star, seen him play up here in England - that man have real skills. He coached East Grinstead HC and the London Metropolitan hockey side to glory and championships. Recognize all the hockey people in T&T yes. The senior men's team qualified for the 2007 Indoor Hockey World Cup and nobody even bat an eyelash. So men like Wayne Legerton, Dwain Quan Chan, Dillet Gilkes and all their teammates - 

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Football / Re: Man Large We

« on: March 26, 2006, 08:03:59 AM »

tell me which issue it is, will try to get it and will translate.

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Football / Re: Four Four two

« on: March 24, 2006, 09:50:04 PM »

Extract from online edition of Four Four Two (UK Edition)

DWIGHT YORKE - Why's he scared of Reliant Robins? What was the best thing about that Treble night in 1999? And behind the smile, is he a cynical money-maker?

Is it true that you used to be scared of three-wheel cars - what we know as Reliant Robins?
Brian Keen, via e-mail
[Laughs] Yes, that's true. When I came to England, I'd never seen anything like them before so when one of them came hurtling towards me with just three wheels, I thought there was a wheel missing and I ducked for cover. It was a yellow one just like Del Boy's, to make it worse. When I found out that it was meant to have three wheels I quite liked it, but at the time it was pretty scary.

How many times have you watched the 1999 Champions League Final since that night? And what's your greatest memory of that night?
Sam Church, via e-mail
I haven't watched it since& And what's my greatest memory of that night? You mean on the pitch, right? [grins] My greatest memory was the way we came back after being dead and buried. Having won the League and FA Cup, we were so confident going into the game, but we didn't play anything like we could, which was credit to Bayern. With two minutes left, I thought that was it, dream over. Then we scored twice in two minutes and it was all just amazing. I think we were dancing and singing for about an hour afterwards. I remember doing a little dance in front of the fans with the trophy [smiles even more broadly than normal].

Do you still get the child-like pleasure from football that your smile suggests or have you become more cynical and money-minded with age? Your exits from United, Blackburn and Birmingham suggest the latter&
Colin Richards, Bath

In some ways, yes, because now I see things differently. Football was my life when I was younger, but you get older and realise there's more to life. My sister passed away about two years ago and it woke me up. I've got a little boy now as well and it just makes you see things differently. The last two years before I left England was a very difficult period - I had issues that I'd never had before, what with having a kid and having problems with my ex. All of these things add up and they do take priority in your life sometimes. I don't think any footballer out there who has a family will say the game takes priority over their wife and kids. I think "cynical" is a bit harsh - I'd like to think I'm just more realistic.
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I will buy the magazine this weekend, will try and scan it and post it here.

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Football / Re: Man Large We

« on: March 24, 2006, 09:38:42 PM »

which issue?

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Football / Re: What Level of Football have You Played and Have Been Exposed to?

« on: March 24, 2006, 04:38:18 PM »

Played: NGHS back in the day - forms IV-VI; captain in 2000. LSE WFC - 2003/2004.

Family tradition: Longstanding. Grandfather - John "Bull" Sutherland, T&T Hall of Fame. Cousin - Shay Sutherland - used to play for Pres. Sando.

Exposure - from small goal to academic/research interest.

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Football / 'Official' T&T World Cup Song

« on: March 20, 2006, 08:51:05 AM »

Cool drumming

Musicians recruit steel band, backing singers...and resident who plays the saucepan...for Trinidad & Tobago's World Cup song (Leeds Today)

EXCLUSIVE
by Richard Edwards

THE FOOTBALL World Cup song is a tradition loved and loathed in equal measure.
For every classic like New Order's World in Motion, there have been disasters like Del Amitri's Don't Come Home Too Soon, which helped Scotland to an inevitable first-round exit in 1998.

National football associations usually get the squad to do the honours, or choose to wheel out one of their country's favourite musical stars.

But England's group B rivals Trinidad & Tobago have gone down a different route - by choosing two Leeds musicians to sing the song they hope will propel them to glory in Germany.

Paul Jepson and Choque Hosein, who live a few doors away from each other in Farsley, reinvented themselves as the TNT Socaboys to pen Soca Warriors.

Along the way they recruited Harehills resident Dudley Nesbitt, who plays a saucepan, three backing singers from Chapeltown, and, for the B-side, a steel band from Leeds West Indian Centre.
Paul, an ex-member of early 1980s indie-pop band The Neats, plays guitar on the record, while Choque, whose former band Black Star Liner got a Mercury Music Prize nomination in 1999, produced it.
The unlikely arrangement came about through Paul's longstanding love of football, as he runs Leeds's Work-inc.com Sunday league.
Keen to qualify for the 1998 World Cup, the Trinidadian FA sent its players to a gruelling 1996 training camp in Leeds, and asked Paul to help out.
He ended up as manager for one game - a 2-2 draw with Scotland's East Fife - and says he has kept an eye on the team's results ever since.
Spotting there were no plans for a Trinidadian World Cup song, Paul, 49, and Choque, 45, contacted the country's FA to ask if it would like the two musicians to write one.


The answer didn't come back quickly.
"There is such a thing as Trinidadian time, things don't move quickly there, and it took a lot of chasing down. But eventually they got back to us and gave us their official backing," Paul explained.
Choque, whose father is Trinidadian, said: "Everyone in Trinidad is jumping up and down about the World Cup but no one had thought about doing a record. It took us about two-and-a-half minutes to write, then five weeks in Trinidad to record it. We mixed it in my studio at home."

The Yorkshire Evening Post has had a sneak preview of the song, due to be released in Britain on May 1.
It is a classic, 1970s-style good time football anthem that sticks firmly in the brain after just one listen.
Choque said: "Soca is a Trinidadian style of music that has been developing over the last 10 years. It has been influenced by radio from Miami, Brazil, Venezuela as well as reggae.
"We wanted to do a classic football song and the best ones are from the '70s."
The musicians, both Leeds United season ticket holders, will be in Germany to watch their adopted team play.
Choque admitted he will feel torn if England need a win when they meet Trinidad & Tobago on June 15.
"Obviously we want England in the final but we are supporting Trinidad & Tobago as well. Just the fact they are there is amazing, we hope they get as far as they can."
richard.edwards@ypn.co.uk
20 March 2006

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Football / Re: TTFF pulls Cultural Team from Germany campaign

« on: March 15, 2006, 07:15:36 AM »

concretize is a word?

Is not just a Trini word. I didn't think so, but Google is the source of much knowledge:

SYLLABICATION:   con·cre·tize
PRONUNCIATION:     knkr-tz, kng-
TRANSITIVE VERB:   Inflected forms: con·cre·tized, con·cre·tiz·ing, con·cre·tiz·es
To make real or specific: “The need to simplify and concretize . . . was hardly acceptable to a mind fascinated by the . . . suggestiveness of ideas” (Arthur A. Cohen).
OTHER FORMS:   concre·ti·zation (-t-zshn) —NOUN

Yes, alright, I am still a hardcore nerd.

And I DAMN VEX about this whole situation.

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Football / Spann Gets a Second Chance After Injury

« on: March 15, 2006, 06:30:55 AM »

Owls look at Windies star

SHEFFIELD Wednesday are to take another look at a World Cup midfielder - after he too fell victim to the Hillsborough injury jinx.

Silvio Spann, a Trinidad and Tobago international, arrived at Middlewood for a trial but was injured on his first day.
Manager Paul Sturrock plans to re-assess the 24-year-old when he has recovered from his knock.
"He is due to come back in a couple of week's time," said Sturrock, who will be looking at Spann with next season in mind.
Spann is likely to be in the Trinidad and Tobago squad that faces England in this summer's World Cup finals in Germany.
He recently parted company with Japanese club Yokohama, and has had spells with Perugia of Italy, Dinamo Zagreb of Croatia and Kenwyne Jones's old club, W Connection of Trinidad.
Two years ago he had trials with German club Borussia Moenchengladbach, Crystal Palace and Derby.

Source: http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=59&ArticleID=1385334

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Football / Re: Steelpan on hold for Germany.

« on: March 13, 2006, 05:16:19 PM »

Hoss i know bout dat. I from south and when Naps getting level lix dey tassa men does pop out an lay down some beatz. Hoss i see naps come from 3 nil down already tuh win so Music important.

When Ronaldino droping level ginga on man, look at it is dance he does be dancing>>>>


Let de iron in man

Darlin you bring back some serious memories there.

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Football / Re: SW Online Forum welcome message for New & Old members.

« on: February 13, 2006, 11:32:24 PM »

R.e. the world cup blog - that would indeed be me. How can I be of assistance? 

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Football / Re: SW Online Forum welcome message for New & Old members.

« on: February 13, 2006, 08:32:25 PM »

1) Research (Google). I've been reading the forums/checking the site for news for months; finally decided to take the plunge.

2) London, UK via Sando, Kairi

3) smi - initials. Boring, I know!

4) 1989 - in my red tshirt, waving my flag in primary school.

5) Getting a phone call in the middle of a meeting from a friend in Trinidad - "WE GOING GERMANY!" And then having to explain to everyone at the meeting why I was jumping up and down and screaming.

6) Naparima Girls' High School

7) Intercol days - Jerol Forbes, Teba McKnight (cyar believe I leave him out), Shai Prescod and Fabian Lewis; T&T players - John "Bull" Sutherland, Brent Sancho; International - Kaka, Robinho

Trinidad/Brazil. I don't really follow club football 

Used to play for the NGHS team, a long, long time ago.