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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Gladman on October 20, 2008, 01:36:32 PM
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Saturday afternoon i went to officiate in a east league cup semi final game,between Malta carib alcons and Maloney fc @ the riversdale park in st joesph. I reached d ground late ( u noe referee's always late) only to realize that some over 35 men book d field for the period september to november for every weekend ,even if dey use it or not it's up to them.
From my knowledge national league football takes precendence over every other football,and has first preference ,so even though dey make a setta talk ,we the officials started the game.Fifteen mins into the game a police jeep pull up and cause a hault to the game .The man who appeared to be in charge of the group had a letter from the CEO of the t'puna piarco regional corp, she gave the over 35 men permission to use the ground and nobody else cyar use it on the days she gave them.
D manager of ALcons and d man start to exchange words,some polite some other wise,d long and short this man for the love of football stop a league cup game jus so he and his boys could sweat and had no remorse.
Another sad day for football in this country
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Saturday afternoon i went to officiate in a east league cup semi final game,between Malta carib alcons and Maloney fc @ the riversdale park in st joesph. I reached d ground late ( u noe referee's always late) only to realize that some over 35 men book d field for the period september to november for every weekend ,even if dey use it or not it's up to them.
From my knowledge national league football takes precendence over every other football,and has first preference ,so even though dey make a setta talk ,we the official started the game.Fifteen mins into the game a police jeep pull up and cause a hault to the game .The man who appeared to be in charge of the group had a letter from the CEO of the t'puna piarco regional corp, she gave the over 35 men permission to use the ground and nobody else cyar use it on the days she gave them.
D manager of ALcons and d man start to exchange words,some polite some other wise,d long and short this man for the love of football stop a league cup game jus so he and his boys could sweat and had no remorse.
Another sad day for football in this country
Only in T&T.
an' we wonder why we have to rely on Yorke and Latapy to take us to de Hex.
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Unbelievable!
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Tha is d kinda society we live in ,d man say he ent care bout d football he have permission to use d ground. Wah u go say ???
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Tha is d kinda society we live in ,d man say he ent care bout d football he have permission to use d ground. Wah u go say ???
Ah hear yuh fella...
it's just a sad state of affairs....
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speachless
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It is sad that the incident turned out that way.
BUT it is the responsibility of the League management (TTFF,EFA or whomever) to ensure that the administrative details such liaising with the Regional Corporations in relation to the booking and availability of grounds be done so that clashes such as this do not occur.
Administration is more that just drawing up fixtures and collecting registration fees, and hoping that when a conflict happens people will apply an unwritten rule.
This is symptomatic of the problem of football in this country. The over35 fetematch men were more organized than the jokers who administer the league.
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It is sad that the incident turned out that way.
BUT it is the responsibility of the League management (TTFF,EFA or whomever) to ensure that the administrative details such liaising with the Regional Corporations in relation to the booking and availability of grounds be done so that clashes such as this do not occur.
Administration is more that just drawing up fixtures and collecting registration fees, and hoping that when a conflict happens people will apply an unwritten rule.
This is symptomatic of the problem of football in this country. The over35 fetematch men were more organized than the jokers who administer the league.
Same thing I thinking
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Believable/Unbelievable!!!!!!
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I reached d ground late ( u noe referee's always late)
No disrespeck to Gladman, but dat by itself is a big problem dey.
If we tolerate dat, and we most definitely do, no wonder de administration in a mess.
De tings we allow to fly, especially de so called "small tings", accumulate, become sympotmatic of a bigger problem, and before yuh know it yuh out of control.
And we wonder why the TTFF is how it is.
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League fault.
Fete match in the right. Men pay their money and organized.
In any case, the league game can always be rescheduled, or moved to another field, as it should be to teach the league a lesson, or dey would do the same shite again. They should know they can't bully people off their field. Now do your job. And you self gladman...doh come here and complain bout the love of football..you are the ref and you late. steeups
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I reached d ground late ( u noe referee's always late)
No disrespeck to Gladman, but dat by itself is a big problem dey.
If we tolerate dat, and we most definitely do, no wonder de administration in a mess.
De tings we allow to fly, especially de so called "small tings", accumulate, become sympotmatic of a bigger problem, and before yuh know it yuh out of control.
And we wonder why the TTFF is how it is.
Now as a ref i try to meet games at least 45 mins b4 d game ,jus that day i was late becuz of other circumstances. However it is a problem d referee's association has faced and is still facing with ref's not been untime for games and somtimes even absent. It all due to the culture as u say of "small ting", nobody will make a fuss.
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and you self gladman...doh come here and complain bout the love of football..you are the ref and you late. steeups
is this ALSO part of OUR football "Culture" as per this discussion
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=39472.msg487547#msg487547
edit: I see where you say that this is a one time lateness.
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League fault.
Fete match in the right. Men pay their money and organized.
In any case, the league game can always be rescheduled, or moved to another field, as it should be to teach the league a lesson, or dey would do the same shite again. They should know they can't bully people off their field. Now do your job. And you self gladman...doh come here and complain bout the love of football..you are the ref and you late. steeups
Boss im not complaining,and is nothin bout bullyin anybody ,d league hav preference anywhere in front of a fete match anytime anyday. And i can proudly say tht im one of over 200 + ref's in d country tht do go to games selected for and on time.
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I reached d ground late ( u noe referee's always late)
No disrespeck to Gladman, but dat by itself is a big problem dey.
If we tolerate dat, and we most definitely do, no wonder de administration in a mess.
De tings we allow to fly, especially de so called "small tings", accumulate, become sympotmatic of a bigger problem, and before yuh know it yuh out of control.
And we wonder why the TTFF is how it is.
Now as a ref i try to meet games at least 45 mins b4 d game ,jus that day i was late becuz of other circumstances. However it is a problem d referee's association has faced and is still facing with ref's not been untime for games and somtimes even absent. It all due to the culture as u say of "small ting", nobody will make a fuss.
Exactly. Ah mean...ah know de horrific traffic conditions in T&T eh...especially if yuh comin from town goin east. Is PRESSHA!! It coulda be any number of things. But u right....is a culture. And a culture real hard to reverse if not near impossible.
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d league hav preference anywhere in front of a fete match anytime anyday.
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Gladman
Is that a FIFA , TTFF, EFA rule or just a too blasted lazy to organize properly so if anything happen I go try this s**t rule?
When the league own the fields that the matches are playing on they can say that, but since they are taking a borrow they have to organize properly.
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League fault.
Fete match in the right. Men pay their money and organized.
In any case, the league game can always be rescheduled, or moved to another field, as it should be to teach the league a lesson, or dey would do the same shite again. They should know they can't bully people off their field. Now do your job. And you self gladman...doh come here and complain bout the love of football..you are the ref and you late. steeups
Boss im not complaining,and is nothin bout bullyin anybody ,d league hav preference anywhere in front of a fete match anytime anyday. And i can proudly say tht im one of over 200 + ref's in d country tht do go to games selected for and on time.
In principal..league should come before a fete match. But not if the ground for rent and it booked. Men pay good money and they not their to subsidize your game. Like yuh say....it is a culture/mentality thing. And that not changing just so. So you need incidents like this to force the league, and probably grounds management to get their house in order. So I stand by the over 35 men in this instance. This one little thing could lead to better organization..but if them men had jess let the league continue, it more likely that mixups like this happen again.
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Guys the league have to shoulder most of the blame when stuff like this happens...The league has to behave in a professional manner by being organised and responsible...we can blast dem fellas who gladman met on the field for being arrogant by only thinkin bout their sweat but thats not what is important...what's important is the unprofessionalism of the football authorities that is still apparent today
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yeah, but the situation actually come to words and police...
not nice in any case...
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yeah but police doh respond to murder, rape and thief, they responding to football field mixup?
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yeah but police doh respond to murder, rape and thief, they responding to football field mixup?
the chance of someone bussin ah cyap in de police arse is very low at calls like this though :devil:
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yeah but police doh respond to murder, rape and thief, they responding to football field mixup?
the chance of someone bussin ah cyap in de police arse is very low at calls like this though :devil:
No that is not my point...
is not about the violence...
but about the civility... obviously the ref was late ;D the scene get all mix up and all dat, but as big men... we cudden sort dat out without de neeeeeed fuh de babylon?...
fair or foul?... all ah sayin is dat for it to reach to police, den to me it seems that we losin' even the most basic fundamentals of we society (one which I pride myself on), understanding and reasoning...
we need to calmly approach situations without always "havin tuh call de police"...
dah's all
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yeah but police doh respond to murder, rape and thief, they responding to football field mixup?
the chance of someone bussin ah cyap in de police arse is very low at calls like this though :devil:
they lucky is not in aranguez savannah . Daiz where the fella get killed watching cricket a few sundays ago :-\
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yeah but police doh respond to murder, rape and thief, they responding to football field mixup?
the chance of someone bussin ah cyap in de police arse is very low at calls like this though :devil:
No that is not my point...
is not about the violence...
but about the civility... obviously the ref was late ;D the scene get all mix up and all dat, but as big men... we cudden sort dat out without de neeeeeed fuh de babylon?...
fair or foul?... all ah sayin is dat for it to reach to police, den to me it seems that we losin' even the most basic fundamentals of we society (one which I pride myself on), understanding and reasoning...
we need to calmly approach situations without always "havin tuh call de police"...
dah's all
well it seeems that it was the best move callin in the police considering the prevalent opinion of the Officials that their Game takes preference over ALL others.
"From my knowledge national league football takes precedence over every other football,and has first preference ,so even though dey make a setta talk ,we the officials started the game."
One set ah serious arm twisting went on...and even though the police were there this happened
"D manager of ALcons and d man start to exchange words, some polite some other wise"
I think it is as a result of the........hold on........Alcons? Alcons? why does that ring a bell :devil:.........................wait who in TTFF was involved with them and like to push people around :devil:
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League fault.
Fete match in the right. Men pay their money and organized.
In any case, the league game can always be rescheduled, or moved to another field, as it should be to teach the league a lesson, or dey would do the same shite again. They should know they can't bully people off their field. Now do your job. And you self gladman...doh come here and complain bout the love of football..you are the ref and you late. steeups
Boss im not complaining,and is nothin bout bullyin anybody ,d league hav preference anywhere in front of a fete match anytime anyday. And i can proudly say tht im one of over 200 + ref's in d country tht do go to games selected for and on time.
Gladman, there is no dispute that "d league hav preference anywhere in front of a fete match", but I seem to hear you saying that even though the fete match team had full rights to use of the ground through a booking, the league game shud have been given preference even without a booking. If dat is your thinking, it needs to be revised!
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Wah i didn't understand is how dem over 35 fellahs could book a football ground from sept to nov for every weekend for non competitive football, jus to lime,play or not is there's. ???
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yeah but police doh respond to murder, rape and thief, they responding to football field mixup?
the chance of someone bussin ah cyap in de police arse is very low at calls like this though :devil:
No that is not my point...
is not about the violence...
but about the civility... obviously the ref was late ;D the scene get all mix up and all dat, but as big men... we cudden sort dat out without de neeeeeed fuh de babylon?...
fair or foul?... all ah sayin is dat for it to reach to police, den to me it seems that we losin' even the most basic fundamentals of we society (one which I pride myself on), understanding and reasoning...
we need to calmly approach situations without always "havin tuh call de police"...
dah's all
well it seeems that it was the best move callin in the police considering the prevalent opinion of the Officials that their Game takes preference over ALL others.
"From my knowledge national league football takes precedence over every other football,and has first preference ,so even though dey make a setta talk ,we the officials started the game."
One set ah serious arm twisting went on...and even though the police were there this happened
"D manager of ALcons and d man start to exchange words, some polite some other wise"
I think it is as a result of the........hold on........Alcons? Alcons? why does that ring a bell :devil:.........................wait who in TTFF was involved with them and like to push people around :devil:
:rotfl: you like ting eh... :rotfl:
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Wah i didn't understand is how dem over 35 fellahs could book a football ground from sept to nov for every weekend for non competitive football, jus to lime,play or not is there's. ???
What is it dat yuh doh understand in dat?? Connections, boy! Surely you are aware dat such is a way of life in T&T and it does not apply only to football. We complain only when we are not on the receiving end of preferential treatment and it affects us, but silent and quite happy to be the recipient without regard for others. Like it or not, dat is the society to which we sadly belong.
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Wah i didn't understand is how dem over 35 fellahs could book a football ground from sept to nov for every weekend for non competitive football, jus to lime,play or not is there's. ???
they probably organize and pay for the use of the ground from earlies. So the league officials couldna do the same thing before them fellas?
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Wah i didn't understand is how dem over 35 fellahs could book a football ground from sept to nov for every weekend for non competitive football, jus to lime,play or not is there's. ???
What is it dat yuh doh understand in dat?? Connections, boy! Surely you are aware dat such is a way of life in T&T and it does not apply only to football. We complain only when we are not on the receiving end of preferential treatment and it affects us, but silent and quite happy to be the recipient without regard for others. Like it or not, dat is the society to which we sadly belong.
actually, the ability of a group to come together and book the grounds in advance is a welcome sign of organization. The league should have looked into booking the grounds they needed in conjunction with creating the league schedule. Doesn't sound like a case of the privileged using connections...just the smart looking into whether the grounds are bookable and setting up their own schedule...Something you think an organized league would have been doing since its inception. So doh be so cynical. you actually seeing some organized over 35 fete match players show the league how to move into the 21st century
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Everything in Gladman's statement (and those in agreement) is evident of the negative things plaguing our society (not only the footballing circles). Wrong and strong. Quick to point out "RIGHTS" and not seeing de WRONG. Making jokes about tardiness as though that is acceptable, please. Inability to plan effectively.
The mere fact that you can make this post, shows a level of arrogance which to me would have forced the Over 35 men to quite rightfully call the police to intervene. At the start of the season the League might quite rightfully had first preference but they did not exercise that right. Move on!!!
Blessings
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Lawlessness in the streets and in thee Football. :'( Send this lil tread that seem like nothing, to ttff so deh could try to understand a “parable” of what really going with our football.
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Saturday afternoon i went to officiate in a east league cup semi final game,between Malta carib alcons and Maloney fc @ the riversdale park in st joesph. I reached d ground late ( u noe referee's always late) only to realize that some over 35 men book d field for the period september to november for every weekend ,even if dey use it or not it's up to them.
From my knowledge national league football takes precendence over every other football,and has first preference ,so even though dey make a setta talk ,we the officials started the game.Fifteen mins into the game a police jeep pull up and cause a hault to the game .The man who appeared to be in charge of the group had a letter from the CEO of the t'puna piarco regional corp, she gave the over 35 men permission to use the ground and nobody else cyar use it on the days she gave them.
D manager of ALcons and d man start to exchange words,some polite some other wise,d long and short this man for the love of football stop a league cup game jus so he and his boys could sweat and had no remorse.
Another sad day for football in this country
Boss, nex time book de park. TTFF could say what they want, they are not government and cannot go about making stupid rules like that and expect people to take dem on, unless they own the ground. Dem old fellas was right.
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I think allyuh being unnecessarily harsh on Gladman... I wouldn't go as far as to say "everything" in his post is what's wrong with football. There is much of what he said that could have been handled better from his and the league's side, but the central gist of his post as I see it is that his reaction is more to the fact that a league game was preempted by a sweat match.
Yeah yeah.. I know... league shoulda make sure they had the field yadda yadda. Very good argument... and that really is the bottom line. However, every now and then regardless as to whom is in the right, it would be nice if we could be a little selfless and let some commonsense prevail.
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However, every now and then regardless as to whom is in the right, it would be nice if we could be a little selfless and let some commonsense prevail.
Dais what we sayin
the league screwed up and Common sense DID prevail as the Over 35 men did what they were supposed to do.....
ya hear what he saying...
"Wah i didn't understand is how dem over 35 fellahs could book a football ground from sept to nov for every weekend for non competitive football, jus to lime,play or not is there's."
that is very telling as the league figures that they could just waltz on to the field and all man Jack will :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: and say
"Nice allya want to play go right ahead, we doh matter, since is allya that LAZY to setup allya fields ahead of time"
I feel is dem Over 35 men who LOVE Football MORE