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Fella you talking a pack of assness agin..I doh have time to keep educating you when you believe all the shit you read from fake ass so called Islamic scholars with agendas.

There ius NUTTEN scientific in the Koran!  Nutten   

It is quite true that today we know that the moon revolves around the earth, yet the Quran did not. The Quran implies that the moon travels in a similar orbit along side the sun, whereas the earth is remaining stationary, a gross error.

Quran teaches that the sun travels to one end of space and returns back to its resting place. According to the Quran, that resting place is a muddy spring within the earth!


The Qur'an nowhere speaks about an orbit of the sun in the universe, it always speaks about the orbit of the sun "around the earth" (through the sky from East to West) as observed in its movement from sunrise to sunset.

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Take win with yuh dummy ass

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Fella you talking a pack of assness agin..I doh have time to keep educating you when you believe all the shit you read from fake ass so called Islamic scholars with agendas.

There ius NUTTEN scientific in the Koran!  Nutten   

It is quite true that today we know that the moon revolves around the earth, yet the Quran did not. The Quran implies that the moon travels in a similar orbit along side the sun, whereas the earth is remaining stationary, a gross error.

Quran teaches that the sun travels to one end of space and returns back to its resting place. According to the Quran, that resting place is a muddy spring within the earth!


The Qur'an nowhere speaks about an orbit of the sun in the universe, it always speaks about the orbit of the sun "around the earth" (through the sky from East to West) as observed in its movement from sunrise to sunset.

You need to go back and read the quran guy, sorry ah can't help yuh there, i post it many time befrtoe and i beginning to think that sharks was right about you, your idle arse on kicks.
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You does real fall for the hype boy. for all yuh know this is some jews dressed up to make arabs look bad, is there any bigger terrorist than the jews?
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what about music and architecture? all driven by religion. the knowledge acquired in building the great cathedrals of Europe represent breakthrough in scientific know-how.

yeah, got to give it to religion - it's role in the creation of great music and art is inimitable.

still, if yuh looking for someone to play a bullerman in a dramatic production, yuh cyah beat dem atheist (e.g. sean penn)! all dem big hollywood stars are atheists or scientologists.

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what about music and architecture? all driven by religion. the knowledge acquired in building the great cathedrals of Europe represent breakthrough in scientific know-how.

yeah, got to give it to religion - it's role in the creation of great music and art is inimitable.

still, if yuh looking for someone to play a bullerman in a dramatic production, yuh cyah beat dem atheist (e.g. sean penn)! all dem big hollywood stars are atheists or scientologists.

You would know all de bullers and what they believe or not believe.

All dem priests who f**k little boys and girls dem is atheists too ent?  Maybe you could give them a role in yuh next blockbuster movie.
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You does real fall for the hype boy. for all yuh know this is some jews dressed up to make arabs look bad, is there any bigger terrorist than the jews?

Could be Jews, could be chinese for all I know...who said that they were Arabs?  You assumed that they were because you know who does be doing all de suicide bombings.   Thanks for verification!

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I don't even know why you fellas does let truetrini troll allyuh like this. When it comes to religion, particularly Islam, truetrini is like that fella who used to claim Troy Marquis was the best goalkeeper ever in Trinidad.

stay out nah   ;)  yuh trying to say that Troy was not de best goalkeeper T&T produced?

lol you eh bet yuh like shit nah

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US, Afghan officials condemn public execution of Afghan woman
By Isolde Raftery, msnbc.com

U.S. and Afghan officials on Sunday condemned the public execution of an Afghan woman accused of adultery, saying her death “is an unambiguous reminder to the Afghan people and the international community of the brutality of the Taliban.”

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The woman’s death, which was recorded, shows the woman, named Najiba, crouched, her back to a man identified as her husband. He is handed an AK-47 assault rifle, which he uses to shoot her from behind. By the third shot, she collapses, but he continues to fire 10 more times as about 150 men on a nearby hillside cheer.

The video was obtained by Reuters.

“They are brutal people and like savage animals, they killed another human being,” Basir Salangi, the provincial governor of Parwan Province, told Reuters. The village in Parwan where the execution took place is about an hour north of Kabul, the Afghan capital. “It is clear that they are outlaws and must be delivered into the hands of the law,” he said.
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In a statement from the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, officials said the U.S. is committed to increasing “awareness of women's rights, to prevent and prosecute acts of violence against women, and to ensure that those responsible for such barbaric acts are brought to justice.”


"This cold-blooded murder, carried out in front of a crowd and recorded on video, is an unambiguous reminder to the Afghan people and the international community of the brutality of the Taliban," the embassy statement said.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, addressing a world conference n Afghanistan's future, said Sunday: "The United States believes strongly that no nation can achieve peace, stability and economic growth if half the population is not empowered."

Such punishment is a reminder that, although there are 430,000 foreign and Afghan forces on the ground, the Taliban still controls large swaths of the country. Women’s rights activists in Afghanistan told Reuters they worry that violence against women may be on the rise as President Hamid Karzai’s administration focuses on 2014 – the date President Barack Obama has set for pulling out U.S. troops.


Najiba, believed to be a mother, was found guilty of being sexually connected to two Taliban commanders – whether by rape or consensual sex is unclear, Reuters reported. Taliban officials then convened a quick trial and ordered her execution to settle the dispute between the two commanders.  The killing occurred in late June.

In the video, before Najiba is shot, a bearded man reads verses from the Quran condemning adultery.

"We cannot forgive her, God tells us to finish her," he says. "Juma Khan, her husband, has the right to kill her."

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As Khan approaches Najiba, another man states, "Allah warns us not to get close to adultery because it's the wrong way. It is the order of Allah that she be executed."

Najiba’s execution follows on the heels of the beheading of a 30-year-old woman and her two children last week in eastern Afghanistan by a man police say was her divorced husband. Their deaths, women’s activists told Reuters, is the latest in a string of “honor killings.”

There have been 16 recorded cases of these honor cases in March and April, according to Afghanistan’s Independent Human Rights Commission; last year, 20 were recorded for the entire year.

Commissioner Suraya Subhrang told Reuters she blamed the sharp rise on increased insecurity and weak rule of law.

"There are many that go unreported,” Subhrang told Reuters. “Men make a quick decision in their own courts to kill a girl and hold a prayer for her the next day."

Reuters contributed to this report.

Allah  u Akbar.

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Sarah Yaser Said 17, and Amina Yaser Said 18, killed by their Egyptian Muslim father in Texas on New Years Day 2008 in an apparent honor killing. Their father thought they were “too Western.”

The United Nations (UN) reports that 5000 Muslim women and girls are killed every year in the name of Islam. The UN uses the term “honor killings.” In reality there are thousands more killed but never reported, or the investigative agency does not realize the death was related to Islamic values.

Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/the-murder-of-muslim-women-and-girls-by-islamists#ixzz206NYkjRe
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Fella you talking a pack of assness agin..I doh have time to keep educating you when you believe all the shit you read from fake ass so called Islamic scholars with agendas.

There ius NUTTEN scientific in the Koran!  Nutten   

It is quite true that today we know that the moon revolves around the earth, yet the Quran did not. The Quran implies that the moon travels in a similar orbit along side the sun, whereas the earth is remaining stationary, a gross error.
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Quran teaches that the sun travels to one end of space and returns back to its resting place. According to the Quran, that resting place is a muddy spring within the earth!
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The Qur'an nowhere speaks about an orbit of the sun in the universe, it always speaks about the orbit of the sun "around the earth" (through the sky from East to West) as observed in its movement from sunrise to sunset.

Breds, all this is lies my friend, yuh only parroting what other ppl post on the net, bc this is familiar territory. i believe strongly that you never read the quran in dept, or even do any light research on islam, but instead go on certain websites mainly christian and jewish for anti islamic rhetoric and come back and parrot it like yuh know something.

first off the quran is two fold, plain terms and in allegory.  that nonsense yuh talk bout the sun setting on a muddy pool was not in plain term, but allegory. that is a quote from zulqanain who was looking for a ppl and he follow a path all the way to the horizon, those were his words, sura 18:86 "and he found them where the sun was setting on a dark murky (sea, lake, river) not no damn muddy pool".it's just like saying, i like watching the sun setting over the gulf of paria.

another miss understanding is that the sun and moon running on a similar orbit. now i know for a fact yuh parroting and don't know the slightest thing about reading fusha/classical arabic language.

here's surah anbiya (21) :33.  "and he it is who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon. all floating in an orbit". it never said that the sun and the moon does orbit each other or the moon follows the sun in the same orbit, as a matter of fact it was very brief/ touch and go, with not so much detail.

i know for sure you parroting, bc the anti islamist have a debate about the moon following the sun: sura shams (the sun) : 91 :1-2 it states. "by the sun and it's brightness. and the moon when she follows him". this is an extremely allegorical statement. it's talks about the moon reverencing the sun bc it borrows light from the sun, (the word is talaha which means it follows, but how? in this verse it is meant as a form of reverence and respect of rank, and not literally in the least, it's totally not about following the same orbiting path. ::)

let me tell yuh something hoss, these ppl don't know shyte about fusha arabic, they want to challenge but they soft, yuh think is just so you could pick up a quran and read it and understand it if yuh not familiar with the language?

not even arabs could pick up a quran, read it and understand it with out learning the quranic language properly, and that don't take a day or ah couple of months, but rather yrs, and you know this bc yuh went to an ivey league school and yuh must be familiar with linguistics. ah fella could study for yrs on the intricacies of language, and still not know all about a language, especially ah complex language like fusha ( classical arabic) or an ancient language.

as for the earth remaining stationary, i dear yuh to bring one single verse in the quran that states that, there's none!

right here in sura yaseen : 36:40 it states "it is not permitted to the sun to catch up with the moon, nor can the night over run the day, but all swims along in an orbit".  now the operative word here is "kullun" which means "ALL" in classical arabic.

here there's mention of the sun, the moon, the night and the day all floating in and orbit, so yuh mean tuh tell me that night and day does float in and orbit? or is it that night and day relates to the orbit of the earth where night and day is prevalent?

it cyar be talking bout the moon, bc the moon don't have night and day, and the sun don't have night and day, so how night and day moving in an orbit?

lets go back to sura anbiya, where it states. 21: 33 "it is he who created the night and day, and the sun and the moon all moving in an orbit". so here we have night and day again doing an orbit, does that literally mean night and day, since they are both phenomenons of a process which is actually an illusion, or are they talking about an earth movement that causes night and day ?  you tell me which makes more sense.

i understand yuh hate these ppl and their religion, but @ least be fair and stop being so bias and closed minded. remember, the same way you look @ some folks, others also hold you in low esteem. there are races of people who would like nothing better than to rid the earth of black folks!

and some of their reasoning is valid, citing that we have ah high incident of criminal elements in our communities, which is true.

we can't govern ourselves effectively for shyte, most of that is soo true.

for the most part we lack work ethic, and hates responsibility. that is also true.

we are a very ignorant violent people, and present to biggest burden to society,  we make the most mischief in a society, we have the highest incident of gangs and gang violence, we have the highest incident of STD's including HIV, we have the highest failing grades of all races in the school system, highest illiteracy rate, all true, true and soo true.

so in reality, the arab pale in comparison to us. so what of those white ppl who think we should be all locked away, euthanized, put back in captivity, send back to africa, eradicated ? shouldn't they @ least have a right to hate us, the same way you hate the arab?   check yuhself bro, yuh heading down ah real slippery path.    :peace:

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Sarah Yaser Said 17, and Amina Yaser Said 18, killed by their Egyptian Muslim father in Texas on New Years Day 2008 in an apparent honor killing. Their father thought they were “too Western.”

The United Nations (UN) reports that 5000 Muslim women and girls are killed every year in the name of Islam. The UN uses the term “honor killings.” In reality there are thousands more killed but never reported, or the investigative agency does not realize the death was related to Islamic values.

Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/the-murder-of-muslim-women-and-girls-by-islamists#ixzz206NYkjRe
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Sorry to disappoint yuh bro, but his has nothing to do with islam, it's an arab puritan distortion of islam! show me one verse in the quran where it states to kill anyone for sexual misconduct?? that honor killing nonsense permeated the whole of the "so called" islamic world, that and female circumcision.

these men are misogynistic pigs bro, and what they're doing has shyte to do with islam and muhammad! same way the puritans had shyte to do with jesus and his teachings. jesus taught tolerance and forgiveness, but the puritans went on a rampage killing suspected witches and charlatans.

same for muhammad, he was a peace maker until the meccans pushed him to his breaking point, (ah know yuh will respond to this part alone and ignore the rest, but it's ok, knock yuhself out) then he fought back in an attempt for survival. 

muhammad never taught these men all these dirty habits, but rather, it's their old culture raring it's ugly head, after all these yrs. this is nothing new, these men were killing their baby girls since their pagan days, way before muhammad came to them.
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stop talking ass.  I bet you dollars to donuts that you cannot speak a word of Arabic when I can actually hold a conversation with a  born and bred arabic speaker..Not a facking idle boast!

Anyway you are the one parroting shit, you can google them arabic websites til you blue in the face, nutten in dem suras etc. was new knowledge, anyway it is shit science and absolutely inaccurate what the Koran says about orbital movements of the earth, moon and sun.

Is not now I talking about this shit, way before you even knew this board existed I posting on this.  I even translated prayers for people on here already!
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Teh Koran says this concerning the sun and the moon!:

"Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (Koran 21:33; 36:40).

Why did the Koran say that the sun and moon move with their own motion? And, if that is true, where did the author of the Qur'an get this information?

The fact is that the sun and moon rotate on their axes and are in part animated by this rotating motion.

The phrase "travelling with its own motion" in the verses quoted above is a translation of the arabic verb ‘yasbahoon’.

This could also be translated ‘they swim.’ In that case, the verse would read that the sun and the moon, "Each swim in its own orbit." Those who translate the verse this way explain that the term swim refers to movement with one's own internally generated force. Furthermore the movement of a swimmer is graceful, measured, and smooth. This is a very fitting description for the movement of the stars and planets including the sun and the moon.

After describing the scientific data concerning the rotation of the sun and the moon, Dr. Bucaille says:

"These motions of the two celestial bodies are confirmed by the data of modern science, and it is inconceivable that a man living in the seventh century A.D. ... could have imagined them" (The Bible, the Qur'an and Science, p. 163).

It is also amazing that the Qur'an uses a different term for the movement of the clouds and the mountains (see Qur'an 27:88). Obviously, the clouds and mountains are driven by external forces. The cloud is driven by he wind and the mountains move with the rotation of the earth. The sun and moon, however, move with their own motion, and therefore the Qur'an uses a peculiar term "they swim" to refer to their smooth, graceful, self-propelled movement.

How did the author of the Qur'an know enough to make this choice of words that will reflect a modern scientific truth?

Is this your arguement?  lol

Answer this for me:

A better question is if the Koran indeed was foretelling modern scientific fact, why then does it not bother to mention that the earth is rotating on its axis or that it is also traveling on an orbit?

Why does it give the impression that the earth is stationary and that the sun travels to one end of space and then comes to rest in a muddy spring?

Why does it give the impression that the sun and moon travel on the same course when we know that the moon is actually rotating around the earth and it is the earth that rotates around the sun?

Why does it give the impression that the earth is actually flat and that the stars are to be found only in the lowest heaven as opposed to being found throughout the entire universe?

Why does the Koran claim that meteors or stars are actually objects used to cast out immaterial spirits from the presence of angels?

Perhaps You or one of yuh so-called Koranic science scholars can answer all these questions.
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while atrocities are committed by atheists and other non religious peoples,the real question is why are similar atrocities committed in the name of religion?


because the reasons that drive deplorable behaviours are independent of religion. Religion is simply a tool that is used by such people.  If they were not religious, they would use a different tool.


Universal Declaration of Human rights by UN as Article-19 says, "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion & expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference & to seek, receive & impart information & ideas through any media & regardless of frontiers"

Religion doh foster that Universal Declaration.


go ahead and quote the UN, an organization that has lost its way.   In any event, your statement doh hold for all religions, at least not for mind. I only have to find one example to render your statement false.


Science has done more for humanity than religion!

and who are the founders of the best universities and scientific institutions?  go look up the history of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxfor, Cambridge etc.; all with religious foundations. Yes there was divergence in later years, but one can argue that without the research framework and discipline instituted by religion institutions, science would have been slower in developing.

what about music and architecture? all driven by religion. the knowledge acquired in building the great cathedrals of Europe represent breakthrough in scientific know-how.


I have absolutely no problem with any man deciding that he wants to follow some mythology and live his life under religious dictates.

I have faith in Gravity.

ALL RELIGION is mass hysteria.

hmmm, yet you condemn anyone who holds a religious view at every opportunity. That contradicts your assertion about having "no problem"


Gravity ... ha ha. Isaac Newton "was, as considered by others within his own lifetime, an insightful and erudite theologian".  Go figure.

and you could find mass hysteria outside religion too. Sports, entertainment, politics etc. etc.


ahhmmmm let me set you straight.   Theologian versus Christian...know the difference?  Professor Newton was not much of a Christian when he disputed the existence of the Trinity!   You are quick to google and seek to discredit me, but you should have read more than the first line of Wiki or wherever you got your information!

Rewind on Newton!   He was a heretic by all standards and while he did believe in a "God."  It is NOT the God you believe in, so doh be too hurry to embrace him   lol  too funny.  Anyway I said I had faith in Gravity not Newton!   steups...weak ass lame ass analogy you use anyway!

Religious people use their belief in their God (s) who by all standards are good, and just to do horrible things....!  You and others can keep your faith in man made gods and organizations called churches.   It is kinda ironic that you invoke mass hysteria, I never referred to religious beliefs as such, but I note your doubt...lol  again too funny.

And yes I concede that educational institutions, indeed some of the very best in this world were created by religious men.   Take a good look at them now and see what role religion plays in their movement forward!  Once we emerged from darkness to light religion and its mind control was left behind!  Go google again.  I see that you have already given up ground claiming divergence...institutions set up to teach religion and to educate religious workers and clergy have morphed..into a greater good...ask yourself why?   Had they remained religious we would still be thinking the earth was flat and the sun goes around the earth!

Puhleeze!

I have no fight with men who want to engage in formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage to man created figments of imaginations.  There is no condemnation only pity.

Ok, I concede the error of my statement on Newton.  Nevertheless, the scientific method seemed to have evolved from a religious infrastructure. So i  eh giving any ground on that regardless of what you say about them 'seeing the light'.

Then you say I invoke "mass hysteria".  What you smoking? you initially invoked that phrase.  read your post again..

Finally, you state that "Religious people use their belief in their God (s) who by all standards are good, and just to do horrible things." 
What about the religious people who use their belief in their God (s) who by all standards are good, and do good things?  You conveniently ignore that?

You make categorical statements that all religion is bad even in the face of fact to the contrary. What kind of scientific method is that analysis.  It is all emotional and not rationale.

I am now convinced that you got abused by a person who invoked the name of god. So we go reciprocate the pity ting. You pity me and I pity you in your situation.

We even.



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Pecan, please bro, we've been through this with this man before! all he's doing is recycling these arguments.

he is like them big atheist close minded fellas, and even if yuh bring real evidence that they are off the mark, they will find a way to wiggle their way out. that's bc they not really taking a neutral stand, matter of fact, they are just as religious in their beliefs, like the rest of us theist, and even more so adamant!

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true, his atheism is just the flip side of the same coin. his hatred of religion may also be fueled by some kind of faith, among other things.
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

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Pecan what you and other so called theists fail to acknowledge is the myriad great and fantastic things done in the name of science and not facking religion that has brought more reward and goodness than all the thousands of years religion kept us in the dark ages and continues to do today..look at dem camel f**kers how dey killing people for no good reason, look at the religious right who feel it ok to bomb in the name of commerce and god.  please....  ok?

Let me take some of that back, for I truly believe that you are not a bigot nor do you discount science..that would be a lie...you is a moderate and while you profess belief in a  god (although none exists)you doh ram shit down people throat like justcool and he Islamic propaganda.

Yes I believe in a lot, but I ONLY believe in science and history..the rest in MY estimation is bullshit.

f**k de ultra religious and de nancy stories of heaven and hell  and a paradise full of virgins for de facking sadists  ooops I mean  jihadists and dem.

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And in more weird science news this just in:


Church assures believers their ID cards are Satan-free

3 hrs ago



Georgia -- the ex-Soviet state, not the current U.S. one -- has recently required citizens to start carrying electronic ID cards to access a range of state services online. Sounds handy, except for a devilish rumor claiming the cards contained electronic chips marked with 666, the number of the beast. After worried Christians flocked to Georgia's powerful Orthodox Church for help, the church's governing body issued a statement basically telling everyone to calm down. "The Holy Synod states that from the point of view of theological and ecclesiastical teachings, ID cards as they exist today do not represent the mark of the Antichrist," the church said. Phew! Now when will the DMV also issue a statement confirming theirs is not the work of Satan?

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Well yes, Allah knew the earth has a muddy spring for the moon to rest in but he did not know his new religion was going to sprout so many nut jobs?

steups


London bomber widow Samantha Lewthwaite recruiting female terror squads in Somalia







Kenyan police are hunting a woman who used a passport in the name of Natalie Faye Webb with this photograph. They suspect that she may be Samantha Lewthwaite, who was married to Jermaine Lindsay, the suicide bomber who blew up a Tube train in London in 2005.

By Alastair Jamieson, msnbc.com

Samantha Lewthwaite, the British terror suspect on the run from police in Africa, is recruiting and training female attack squads in Somalia, according to a report.

The 28-year-old, believed to be the widow of one of the 2005 London bombers, is being protected by militant Islamist group al-Shabab, according to a report in the Daily Telegraph.
 
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Lewthwaite fled Kenya in December after police in Mombasa linked her to a plot to attack tourist hotels there.

The newspaper said a blog entry on a website used by Kenyan Islamists said she was now in Somalia and linked to further terror activity in East Africa.
 





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Widow of London suicide bomber sought in Kenya

The entry said: “In +252 [Somalia] she [Lewthwaite] commands her 'all-female mujahid terror squad' and conducts her operations against the kuffar [non-Muslims].”

The newspaper said police sources in Kenya confirmed the blog was in line with their own intelligence.

"We cannot say that she is connected to any terrorist attacks in Kenya, but it is consistent with our information that she is with Shabab in Somalia," a senior anti-terror officer in Mombasa told the newspaper.

Lewthwaite, a convert to Islam originally from Buckinghamshire, England and whose father served in the British Army, has not had any contact with her British family for years.

The July 7 2005 London bombings, known in the UK as ‘7/7’, killed 52 London commuters on underground trains and buses. Lewthwaite is thought to be the widow of Jermaine Lindsey, one of the four suicide attackers involved – although it is not clear if she is another woman using Lewthwaite’s identity. She is thought to have used a passport with another alias, Natalie Faye Webb.

In June, Kenya police said a woman matching Lewthwaite's description had been seen in Mombasa shortly before a grenade attack on that killed three and left 25 injured.

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Pecan there is NUTTEN about the scientific method that evolved from ANYTHING religious  N-U-T-T-E-N!

You really grasping they breds.

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Pecan there is NUTTEN about the scientific method that evolved from ANYTHING religious  N-U-T-T-E-N!

You really grasping they breds.

not N-U-T-S but P-E-A-S.

since i took a mis-step with Newton, I will try Mendel and his peas
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Teh Koran says this concerning the sun and the moon!:

"Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (Koran 21:33; 36:40).

Why did the Koran say that the sun and moon move with their own motion? And, if that is true, where did the author of the Qur'an get this information?

The fact is that the sun and moon rotate on their axes and are in part animated by this rotating motion.

The phrase "travelling with its own motion" in the verses quoted above is a translation of the arabic verb ‘yasbahoon’.

This could also be translated ‘they swim.’ In that case, the verse would read that the sun and the moon, "Each swim in its own orbit." Those who translate the verse this way explain that the term swim refers to movement with one's own internally generated force. Furthermore the movement of a swimmer is graceful, measured, and smooth. This is a very fitting description for the movement of the stars and planets including the sun and the moon.

After describing the scientific data concerning the rotation of the sun and the moon, Dr. Bucaille says:

"These motions of the two celestial bodies are confirmed by the data of modern science, and it is inconceivable that a man living in the seventh century A.D. ... could have imagined them" (The Bible, the Qur'an and Science, p. 163).

It is also amazing that the Qur'an uses a different term for the movement of the clouds and the mountains (see Qur'an 27:88). Obviously, the clouds and mountains are driven by external forces. The cloud is driven by he wind and the mountains move with the rotation of the earth. The sun and moon, however, move with their own motion, and therefore the Qur'an uses a peculiar term "they swim" to refer to their smooth, graceful, self-propelled movement.

How did the author of the Qur'an know enough to make this choice of words that will reflect a modern scientific truth?

Is this your arguement?  lol

Answer this for me:

A better question is if the Koran indeed was foretelling modern scientific fact, why then does it not bother to mention that the earth is rotating on its axis or that it is also traveling on an orbit?

Why does it give the impression that the earth is stationary and that the sun travels to one end of space and then comes to rest in a muddy spring?

Why does it give the impression that the sun and moon travel on the same course when we know that the moon is actually rotating around the earth and it is the earth that rotates around the sun?

Why does it give the impression that the earth is actually flat and that the stars are to be found only in the lowest heaven as opposed to being found throughout the entire universe?

Why does the Koran claim that meteors or stars are actually objects used to cast out immaterial spirits from the presence of angels?

Perhaps You or one of yuh so-called Koranic science scholars can answer all these questions.

TT yuh killin meh, ah just answer half of those questions, especially the one with the earth's rotation in surah yaseen verse 40 and surah anbiya verse 33, i repeat, "he it is who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon they float each in an orbit" night and day does not orbit anything bc it's an illusion! so the rotation of night and day relates to the earth which is a solid body, while night and day is a phenomenon.

again in sura yaseen verse 40: "It's not for the sun to over take the moon, nor for the night to overun the day, but they "all" (fullun) float in and orbit!" here it is again, the night and the day floating in an orbit, which is impossible, so again, what is to be learned here? it's actually the earth that give the illusion of night and day, bc of it's rotation around the sun, hence the term night and day making their revolution together with the sun and moon in both surahs! it's so easy, even a cave man could get it!

as for the earth being flat, and you say you know arabic, so tell me what dahaha means ? it states in the quran that the earth is egg shape dahaha, and the day and the night wraps around each other, the word used here is kawwara which means to wrap around, so the night wrap around the day, and the day wrap around the night, it cyar wrap around something flat, so it must be spherical shape.

as for the stars being found in the lowest sky (sammah), allah says that he created seven skies (heavens, universes) and the lowest one which is our universe, which there are six more above ours, he decorate with lamps, meaning stars. this ain't rocket science bro, understand what yuh read before bringing arguments, yuh sound amateurish.

as for the the meteors , there no mention of stars there, he was referring to the jinns who travel out the earth to spy, and he use meteors to stone them not stars. and that one you will have to ask GOD what he meant by that when yuh see him, and yes you will see him, don't worry, time flying and you will get yuh turn real soon tuh ask all the questions yuh have.

and you say you speak arabic, boy ah eh go doubt yuh, but i seriously doubt yuh know fusha (classical arabic) cause if yuh did, you would not be asking me these elementary question of a "non arabic speaking" dumbell like me.
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stop talking ass.  I bet you dollars to donuts that you cannot speak a word of Arabic when I can actually hold a conversation with a  born and bred arabic speaker..Not a facking idle boast!

Anyway you are the one parroting shit, you can google them arabic websites til you blue in the face, nutten in dem suras etc. was new knowledge, anyway it is shit science and absolutely inaccurate what the Koran says about orbital movements of the earth, moon and sun.

Is not now I talking about this shit, way before you even knew this board existed I posting on this.  I even translated prayers for people on here already!
I'm not fluent in arabic, i won't lie, but i bet yuh anything i know more fusha than you, if you know any @ all.  any dummy could speak "street" arabic(colloqual arabic), my boy went to jordon for a yr and came back spilling arabic like he was born there. fusha on the other hand is ah different animal. which is mainly spoken in the class room of a maddrasa and by statesmen.

i read and write fusha, and still i have a lot to learn, and by the way you going on, you eh know one word of fusha!
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And the Koran is no science book, nutten in it is more than cursory common knowledge at the time..much of it so basic my 5 year old knows more!

BULLSHIT fom a Bullshit book thatw as copied and co-opted...steups...

Total pack ah assness as usual.  You cannot write nor speak more than 3 words in Arabic..steups..go pull yuh stones elsewhere.

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According to most scholars, Newton was Arian, not holding to Trinitarianism.[9][22][23] 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'.[24]

As well as being antitrinitarian, Newton allegedly rejected the orthodox doctrines of the immortal soul,[9] a personal devil and literal demons.[9] Although he was not a Socinian he shared many similar beliefs with them.[9] A manuscript he sent to John Locke in which he disputed the existence of the Trinity was never published.

In a minority view, T.C. Pfizenmaier argued Newton was neither "orthodox" nor an Arian,[25] but that, rather, Newton believed both of these groups had wandered into metaphysical speculation.[26] Pfizenmaier also argued that Newton held closer to the Eastern Orthodox view of the Trinity rather than the Western one held by Roman Catholics and Protestants.[26] However, S. D. Snobelen has argued against this from manuscripts produced late in Newton's life which demonstrate Newton rejected the Eastern view of the Trinity.[9]

Newton refused viaticum before his death.[8]

Kinda confused about this discussion, but its worth reading to learn stuff. Like, I never realised Newton was so totally against people from T&T. Shocking.

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stop talking ass.  I bet you dollars to donuts that you cannot speak a word of Arabic when I can actually hold a conversation with a  born and bred arabic speaker..Not a facking idle boast!

Anyway you are the one parroting shit, you can google them arabic websites til you blue in the face, nutten in dem suras etc. was new knowledge, anyway it is shit science and absolutely inaccurate what the Koran says about orbital movements of the earth, moon and sun.

Is not now I talking about this shit, way before you even knew this board existed I posting on this.  I even translated prayers for people on here already!
So fackin what!! i supposed to be impressed now! i also spend time in the mideast and sat with scholars, please nayger get ah grip.

just bc you read arabic and speak arabic means that you understand what yuh read, after all, it have parrots who speak french and i sure they doh understand ah facking phrase of it, just like you.

with all the arabic yuh claim to know, you eh have ah fackin clue bout the quran by the dumb question you ask. in ah nut shell, yuhs like the parable of the ass /donkey carrying books, his back full of knowledge but he can't read, and even if he did, would not understand what he read, plus he have no interest in acquiring knowledge either, so wid all the books on his back his arse still dumb dumb dumb.

and boss, i don't have to parrot, that's your department. yes i google to get a reference point, bc as we all know it's easier to google the reference, but when i get verse and chapters i then i go to my wall where there are tons of books, and i do my research.

you must feel you alone smart and every body doltish no arse!   fackin clown!
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Pecan what you and other so called theists fail to acknowledge is the myriad great and fantastic things done in the name of science and not facking religion that has brought more reward and goodness than all the thousands of years religion kept us in the dark ages and continues to do today..look at dem camel f**kers how dey killing people for no good reason, look at the religious right who feel it ok to bomb in the name of commerce and god.  please....  ok?

Let me take some of that back, for I truly believe that you are not a bigot nor do you discount science..that would be a lie...you is a moderate and while you profess belief in a  god (although none exists)you doh ram shit down people throat like justcool and he Islamic propaganda.

Yes I believe in a lot, but I ONLY believe in science and history..the rest in MY estimation is bullshit.

f**k de ultra religious and de nancy stories of heaven and hell  and a paradise full of virgins for de facking sadists  ooops I mean  jihadists and dem.
Yuhs ah kinda nanyhole or what guy!! you doh see me posting nothing on MDFCN religion,.it's you who does ram ting down ppls throat wid the snipits of this and snipets of that on catholicism or islam, and articles from 100 yrs ago , and constantly recycling sh!t yuh find all over the place tuh harass ppl, just like alberta trini wid do, with his recycled threads.

i now see where yuhs ah raging fackin lunatic, and you need to be in the mdcnt mad house. yuhs ah functional fackin maddooooo!!!
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You really want some education?  Seriously?

The Koran states:
 

Allah is He who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see; is firmly established on the throne; He has subjected the sun and the moon! Each one runs for a term appointed. He regulates the matter, explaining the signs in detail, so you can be certain of meeting with your Lord. (Koran 13:2)
 
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Don’t you see that Allah merges night into day and he merges day into night and he has subjected the sun, and the moon each running its course for a term appointed. And Allah is aware of what you do. (Koran 31:29)


Ok so let us examine every single tafsir or commentary of the Koran written prior to the 20th century also supports this view, as did almost all Muslim scientists of all the past. In fact even some Muslims defend this view today along with many who still believe the earth is flat, since that what the Koran suggests in many verses.
 
These days the emerging apologists try to make the cliam that the since the Sun does actually have an orbit around the Milky Way, the verse is technically correct.   hahahahahaha too damn funny!

This is however an extremely far-fetched interpretation which colossally fails to take into account the fact that the sun’s orbit takes roughly 226 Million years.

In the verse, Allah is supposed trying to convince mankind of his majesty and asking them ‘don’t you see’ and referring to clearly observable phenomenon.  Well the fact is that the orbit of the sun is not observable by humans and therefore this explanation makes absolutely no sense unless you are a believer who is desperate to find any explanation.


Let us very briefly examine the Bible and the Koran!

Any person who is  familiar with the Bible and begins to read the Koran it is immediately apparent that the Koran is an entirely different kind of literature, regardless of any poetic merits.


The Bible however, contains much historical narrative, the Koran contains very little.

The Bible goes out of the way to explain unfamiliar terminology or territory.

The Koran remains (shhhh) very, very quiet.  In fact, if you check the structure of the Bible, it consists of a lexicon of 66 books, written over a period of about 1500 years and it is very well ordered according to chronology, subject nad theme.

The Koran, on the other hnad, reads more like a jumbled and confused collection of statements and ideas, many of which bear little relationship to preceding chapters and verses.

Anyone who even makes a small claim that they have taken a gander at and read the Koran can do little but admit it is so freaking pell-mell and haphazard and obzokee in its make-up that it requires the utmost sense of duty for anyone to labor through the muddiness!

Hell even the former Muslim scholar Dashti laments the literary defects of the Koran, saying, "Unfortunately the Koran was badly edited and its contents are very obtusely arranged." He concludes that, "All students of the Koran wonder why the editors did not use the natural and logical method of ordering by date of revelation, as in Ali ibn Taleb's lost copy of the text."

Another difficulty with the Koran is its scope. Some verses state that it is a book only for the Arabs (Suras 14:4; 42:7; 43:3 and 46:12), while other verses imply it is a revelation for all people and all time (Suras 34:28; 33:40). Did this universal application come later on, appended after the expansion of Islam into foreign lands, and among foreign peoples? If so, it then puts added doubt upon its reliability as an early source.

 

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