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Sports => Football => Topic started by: SOBRIQUET on January 30, 2008, 04:13:28 PM
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West Ham beat them 1-0. Zero Prem wins in 2008. Why Rafa still have a wuk?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7210594.stm
Mark Noble's injury-time penalty gave West Ham a deserved victory over Liverpool at Upton Park.
Noble slotted the ball low past Pepe Reina with virtually the last kick of the match after Jamie Carragher had brought down Freddie Ljungberg.
Earlier, West Ham's Luis Boa Morte twice missed from six yards out while Xabi Alonso headed on to his own bar.
Lucas Leiva missed from eight yards for the Reds while Fernando Torres' shot was saved by Robert Green.
The result must have buoyed West Ham boss Alan Curbishley whose best-laid plans to frustrate Liverpool did not go awry.
Although the Reds had not won in the league for over a month they had beaten the Hammers in their last seven meetings.
But from the first whistle, the home side were intent to bring an end to their appalling record against the Merseysiders and even steal a win themselves.
They had the best two chances of the first 45 with Boa Morte blazing over from six yards and Alonso coming close to heading the ball into his own goal - the crossbar denying Curbishley's troops.
The closest Rafa Benitez's men came to grabbing the lead was inside the first 10 minutes when former West Ham player Yossi Benayoun burst into the area but fired his shot over the bar from eight yards.
Liverpool's multi-million pound strikeforce of Dirk Kuyt and Torres were often crowded out as soon as the ball arrived at their feet by the dynamic duo of Anton Ferdinand and Matthew Upson.
The teamwork between West Ham's midfield and defence was tremendous and tireless, with the likes of Steven Gerrard and Alonso also given little time to weave their magic.
The visitors from Anfield should have been made to pay again for their lack of bite when Boa Morte received the ball on the edge of the six-yard area but completely mis-hit his effort embarrassingly wide.
That was enough for a bemused Benitez who brought on Lucas Leiva and Ryan Babel to insert some life into his side.
Leiva made a brief impression on the match, shooting narrowly wide from Torres' low right-wing cross, while Babel found Torres with a short pass only to see the Spaniard's effort saved low by Green - although it appeared to be heading wide.
The match was heading towards a draw until one of the stars of the show, Ljungberg, motored into the area only to have his ankle clipped by Carragher.
Referee Alan Wiley was left with a no-brainer and pointed to the spot.
England Under-21 star Noble, who had an exceptional match, was left with the pressure kick but showed no nerves to fire sweetly into Reina's left corner.
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That is what the home team supposed to do at home. Had luck 'pool.
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West Ham beat them 1-0. Zero Prem wins in 2008. Why Rafa still have a wuk?
The anti-Rafa brigade among Liverpool supporters is picking up steam...it's going to get ugly in the next few days...
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Rafa is certain that if Liverpool sign Mascherano for 17 million pounds, Liverpool's fortunes will turn around.....
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shit side is shit side!
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shit side is shit side!
yeah! wasn't that settled in a post last week? notin change. dey need to come back next year!
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the question should be 'wey liverfool finishing?'. dey might be lucky to catch a uefa league cup spot. ah say is torres' fault he bring he blight from atletico!
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the question should be 'wey liverfool finishing?'. dey might be lucky to catch a uefa league cup spot. ah say is torres' fault he bring he blight from atletico!
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the question should be 'wey liverfool finishing?'. dey might be lucky to catch a uefa league cup spot. ah say is torres' fault he bring he blight from atletico!
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That is if they make a UEFA spot...
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And they're getting beat by sunderland on saturday aswell. positive.
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Liverpool will make it into the top 4 and play CL ball again next year again.
i stake my reputation on it
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7217238.stm
Fans make Liverpool takeover move
By Bill Wilson
Business reporter, BBC News
Liverpool supporters are to launch an ambitious plan to buy the football club from its current American owners.
US tycoons George Gillett and Tom Hicks recently finalised a £350m refinancing of the club which they bought in 2007. But the Share Liverpool FC Group is to reveal plans for a buy-out of the club by 100,000 Reds fans around the world.
The model proposed will be a Barcelona style, "member-share" scheme, aimed at raising £500m to purchase the club from its US owners and build a new stadium. As well as UK-based fans, a website will be launched to attract interest from Liverpool's supporter base around the world, particularly in East Asia.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7217238.stm
Fans make Liverpool takeover move
By Bill Wilson
Business reporter, BBC News
Liverpool supporters are to launch an ambitious plan to buy the football club from its current American owners.
US tycoons George Gillett and Tom Hicks recently finalised a £350m refinancing of the club which they bought in 2007. But the Share Liverpool FC Group is to reveal plans for a buy-out of the club by 100,000 Reds fans around the world.
The model proposed will be a Barcelona style, "member-share" scheme, aimed at raising £500m to purchase the club from its US owners and build a new stadium. As well as UK-based fans, a website will be launched to attract interest from Liverpool's supporter base around the world, particularly in East Asia.
maybe dey need to make plans to buy a new manager! Forget tryin to buy the team! So dey want to buy the team to keep sh!tty rafa?
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they are facking impotent how much time i go say it :D
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ever since them flikkin new owners come in everything has been going muy loco and i never had that much faith in them. ITS NOT RAFA'S FAULT!!!!!!!!
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Liverpool will make it into the top 4 and play CL ball again next year again.
i stake my reputation on it
Sorry Everton all the way
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Liverpool will make it into the top 4 and play CL ball again next year again.
i stake my reputation on it
and people does say Trinba on de high grade. ;D
Go Everton, do your thing....
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ever since them flikkin new owners come in everything has been going muy loco and i never had that much faith in them. ITS NOT RAFA'S FAULT!!!!!!!!
What about the rest of the last 18 years when they were also useless in the league.
This is nothing new for Liverpool. Good luck in the CL league but that side is not ready to challenge for the league. You can't even tell what is the best line-up for th eclub and they have one top class forward plus Peter Crouch.
Kuyt and the man with the porn star hairstyle are rank shithounds
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What about the rest of the last 18 years when they were also useless in the league.
This is nothing new for Liverpool. Good luck in the CL league but that side is not ready to challenge for the league. You can't even tell what is the best line-up for th eclub and they have one top class forward plus Peter Crouch.
Kuyt and the man with the porn star hairstyle are rank shithounds
Nope...I putting the blame squarely on Benitez doorstep.
Give Moyes, Curbishley or O"Neil Liverpool squad and they will be higher in the league than they are with Everton, West Ham and Villa right now...and right now those sides higher than Liverpool.
Voronin was scoring for fun in the earlies and Benitez bench him cause he had no name now he no longer in form. Crouch shitty yes, but he was scoring whenever he start. Kuyt was working hard and getting chances. All big strikers need their manager to come out and back them and have faith in them to start scoring. Ask Stern during the hex. Ask Ronaldo b4 the last World Cup. Ask Tevez b4 November.
Benitez rotate and rotate and now all of them in a mess.
Torres is Torres tho.
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What about the rest of the last 18 years when they were also useless in the league.
This is nothing new for Liverpool. Good luck in the CL league but that side is not ready to challenge for the league. You can't even tell what is the best line-up for th eclub and they have one top class forward plus Peter Crouch.
Kuyt and the man with the porn star hairstyle are rank shithounds
Nope...I putting the blame squarely on Benitez doorstep.
Give Moyes, Curbishley or O"Neil Liverpool squad and they will be higher in the league than they are with Everton, West Ham and Villa right now...and right now those sides higher than Liverpool.
Voronin was scoring for fun in the earlies and Benitez bench him cause he had no name now he no longer in form. Crouch shitty yes, but he was scoring whenever he start. Kuyt was working hard and getting chances. All big strikers need their manager to come out and back them and have faith in them to start scoring. Ask Stern during the hex. Ask Ronaldo b4 the last World Cup. Ask Tevez b4 November.
Benitez rotate and rotate and now all of them in a mess.
Torres is Torres tho.
None of those guys are big strikers. Kuyt, Crouch and Voronin are not in the same class as Tevez, ROnaldo and Stern (in Concacaf terms).
All those guys are proven goalscorers. You can play Voronin and Kuyt every single game non-stop and they not winning yuh no league.
Also it matters little whether Liverpool are higher than Everton or Villa. The goal is to win the league. Once yuh ent do that it doesn't matter whether in in 2nd or 10 place, except for the fact that 4th and up gets you CL money.
No Liverpool manager has been able to do that for ages and with Wenger at Arsenal and ferguson at United it have no manager coming in here now to do it. Bring a new man and it is a next 3 or 4 years of collecting players, developing a team and hoping that them two teams (and Chelsea) have a slump.
Blame Rafa all yuh want but not for rotation. Blame him for bringing in such and average set of players that one player is as bad as another from week to week.
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Liverpool will make it into the top 4 and play CL ball again next year again.
i stake my reputation on it
and people does say Trinba on de high grade. ;D
Go Everton, do your thing....
that game in hand and Goal Diff will be our saving grace.
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I said it before and I'll say it again..
Liverpool's league woes are Rafa's fault..
He is a great cup manager but that stupid rotation policy costs him vital ground in the league..
Rewind to last october when liverpool beat birmingham (i think it was) with a brace from Torres.. The very next week, he put him on the bench against Portsmouth and they drew 0-0.. his claim was that he was keeping him fresh for the Champions league game ahead.. Also look at the game they lost to REading 3-1 when he basically sacrificed the game in the 60th minute taking off his best players...
So what you have is a fresh Liverpool squad in February but competing in only one tournament..
The squad itself is a great team of players and is capable of winning the prem.. They have a rock solid defence (the foundation of any title winning team) and great central midfielders in Gerrard and Mascherano. Before the season, it was stated that the only missing ingredients were a world class forward and a class winger.. He got that in Torres and Ryan Babel and also Yossi Benayoun.. So imo, the team is complete..
Rafa is also a striker killer dating back to his days at Valencia.. His teams were always built around a compact defense and midfield sometimes supported by a lone forward.. At Valencia, i dont think any of his forwards ever got past 15 goals a season, and it was men like Mista, Angulo and Salva making de rounds and couldnt see dey way... It was men like Baraja, Mendieta and dey defence that was driving that side..
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Coaching 101 for Rafa:
You don't bench anyone from the spine of your team.. This means Carragher, Agger(Hyppia), Gerrard, Mascherano and Torres must ALWAYS start no matter what..
You do not bench a strike combo that is playing well.. So he should never have rotated Crouch, Kuyt and Voronin when they were in form. Just play the best combination and run with it until the quality of one forward drops then give the other one his chance. As a forward, you need a stretch of games to keep in form and need your place not to be under constant threat week to week..
You must play your best wingers into form.. So Babel and Benayoun needed to start many more games..
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At the start of the season they said that the EPL was the priority.. Based on that they should fire Rafa..
Like the great Jose Mourinho once said: "Liverpool are not a big club. Big clubs are competing in four tournaments in February and cannot afford to rotate"[/i]
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None of those guys are big strikers. Kuyt, Crouch and Voronin are not in the same class as Tevez, ROnaldo and Stern (in Concacaf terms).
All those guys are proven goalscorers. You can play Voronin and Kuyt every single game non-stop and they not winning yuh no league.
Also it matters little whether Liverpool are higher than Everton or Villa. The goal is to win the league. Once yuh ent do that it doesn't matter whether in in 2nd or 10 place, except for the fact that 4th and up gets you CL money.
No Liverpool manager has been able to do that for ages and with Wenger at Arsenal and ferguson at United it have no manager coming in here now to do it. Bring a new man and it is a next 3 or 4 years of collecting players, developing a team and hoping that them two teams (and Chelsea) have a slump.
Blame Rafa all yuh want but not for rotation. Blame him for bringing in such and average set of players that one player is as bad as another from week to week.
Nope, u wrong there JDB.
Dirk Kuyt @ Feyenoord - Games /Goals
2002/3 - 34/20
2003/4 - 34/20
2004/5 - 34/29
2005/6 - 35/24
Incidentally, in those last two seasons he was top scorer in the Erediviste.
Kuyt came to the EPL with a big rep, better than any striker at Villa, Everton, West Ham, Arsenal and Chelsea, with the exception of Shevchenko.
Van Persie used to bench for Kuyt for Holland and Adebayor was nobody until this year for the Arsenal men who ready to jump on my case. Plus, traditionally players who excel in Holland have no problems adapting to the EPL. So to say Kuyt is not a proven goal scorer is nonsense.
Incidentally, I find Crouch not good but his international strike rate is better than Stern's, so to rank Stern as class, u hadda rank Crouch in terms of your measurement.
Also, because u say that it doesn't matter if Villa or the rest are higher than Liverpool doesn't make a difference is because u misunderstood my point. I meant that any one of those managers, with Benitez same rank shithounds, will be challenging the big 3 and not doing the nonsense that Benitez is.
Even in all the years they in the big 4, liverpool never once post a challenge for the league.At least Arsenal and ManU were in the race at different times against Chelsea when they won, but never Liverpool. the man squad to deep and have too many star names for them to blame anybody but him.
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Tell Hicks and Gillette to sell and make way for the Dubai group. They bring they blight fortunes to the club. We still good for CL spot, the CL this season, and the FA. ;)
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Finally some good news! :beermug:
Updated: Jan. 31, 2008
Liverpool complete deal for Mascherano
Liverpool have completed a four-year deal for Argentine midfielder Javier Mascherano. The player, who was on loan at Anfield, has reportedly moved to the club permanently for a fee of £18.6million.
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I said it before and I'll say it again..
Liverpool's league woes are Rafa's fault..
He is a great cup manager but that stupid rotation policy costs him vital ground in the league..
Rewind to last october when liverpool beat birmingham (i think it was) with a brace from Torres.. The very next week, he put him on the bench against Portsmouth and they drew 0-0.. his claim was that he was keeping him fresh for the Champions league game ahead.. Also look at the game they lost to REading 3-1 when he basically sacrificed the game in the 60th minute taking off his best players...
So what you have is a fresh Liverpool squad in February but competing in only one tournament..
The squad itself is a great team of players and is capable of winning the prem.. They have a rock solid defence (the foundation of any title winning team) and great central midfielders in Gerrard and Mascherano. Before the season, it was stated that the only missing ingredients were a world class forward and a class winger.. He got that in Torres and Ryan Babel and also Yossi Benayoun.. So imo, the team is complete..
Rafa is also a striker killer dating back to his days at Valencia.. His teams were always built around a compact defense and midfield sometimes supported by a lone forward.. At Valencia, i dont think any of his forwards ever got past 15 goals a season, and it was men like Mista, Angulo and Salva making de rounds and couldnt see dey way... It was men like Baraja, Mendieta and dey defence that was driving that side..
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Coaching 101 for Rafa:
You don't bench anyone from the spine of your team.. This means Carragher, Agger(Hyppia), Gerrard, Mascherano and Torres must ALWAYS start no matter what..
You do not bench a strike combo that is playing well.. So he should never have rotated Crouch, Kuyt and Voronin when they were in form. Just play the best combination and run with it until the quality of one forward drops then give the other one his chance. As a forward, you need a stretch of games to keep in form and need your place not to be under constant threat week to week..
You must play your best wingers into form.. So Babel and Benayoun needed to start many more games..
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At the start of the season they said that the EPL was the priority.. Based on that they should fire Rafa..
Like the great Jose Mourinho once said: "Liverpool are not a big club. Big clubs are competing in four tournaments in February and cannot afford to rotate"[/i]
we still in the CL and the FA cup daiz 2 in my books
while i agree that the rotation policy has prevented the team from forming any kind of consistency, i also think all the injuries have had a big deal to play in our woes.
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Doh play de injury card.
The only injury you had to contend with for a stretch was Daniel Agger..
Look at Chelsea.. They had to go long periods without the whole spine of the team. John Terry, Carvalho, Lampard, Ballack, Malouda, Drogba and Shevchenko have all been out for significant portions of the season..
And now is African Nations in we skin and we still doing it.
Lets not talk about last year when the centre back duo was paulo ferreira and essien.
Avram Grant would do a better job than Rafa at Liverpool!!
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I said it before and I'll say it again..
Liverpool's league woes are Rafa's fault..
He is a great cup manager but that stupid rotation policy costs him vital ground in the league..
Rewind to last october when liverpool beat birmingham (i think it was) with a brace from Torres.. The very next week, he put him on the bench against Portsmouth and they drew 0-0.. his claim was that he was keeping him fresh for the Champions league game ahead.. Also look at the game they lost to REading 3-1 when he basically sacrificed the game in the 60th minute taking off his best players...
So what you have is a fresh Liverpool squad in February but competing in only one tournament..
The squad itself is a great team of players and is capable of winning the prem.. They have a rock solid defence (the foundation of any title winning team) and great central midfielders in Gerrard and Mascherano. Before the season, it was stated that the only missing ingredients were a world class forward and a class winger.. He got that in Torres and Ryan Babel and also Yossi Benayoun.. So imo, the team is complete..
Rafa is also a striker killer dating back to his days at Valencia.. His teams were always built around a compact defense and midfield sometimes supported by a lone forward.. At Valencia, i dont think any of his forwards ever got past 15 goals a season, and it was men like Mista, Angulo and Salva making de rounds and couldnt see dey way... It was men like Baraja, Mendieta and dey defence that was driving that side..
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Coaching 101 for Rafa:
You don't bench anyone from the spine of your team.. This means Carragher, Agger(Hyppia), Gerrard, Mascherano and Torres must ALWAYS start no matter what..
You do not bench a strike combo that is playing well.. So he should never have rotated Crouch, Kuyt and Voronin when they were in form. Just play the best combination and run with it until the quality of one forward drops then give the other one his chance. As a forward, you need a stretch of games to keep in form and need your place not to be under constant threat week to week..
You must play your best wingers into form.. So Babel and Benayoun needed to start many more games..
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At the start of the season they said that the EPL was the priority.. Based on that they should fire Rafa..
Like the great Jose Mourinho once said: "Liverpool are not a big club. Big clubs are competing in four tournaments in February and cannot afford to rotate"[/i]
I agree that Babel needs to start more games. A coach who decide a jaded player like Harry K deserve to get pick over a fresh, enthusiastic player like Babel, then he lookin to lose he job! Even a player like Gerrard needs to get drop now and then. But no not Rafa, Harry K must have pictures or sometin.
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Doh play de injury card.
The only injury you had to contend with for a stretch was Daniel Agger..
Look at Chelsea.. They had to go long periods without the whole spine of the team. John Terry, Carvalho, Lampard, Ballack, Malouda, Drogba and Shevchenko have all been out for significant portions of the season..
And now is African Nations in we skin and we still doing it.
Lets not talk about last year when the centre back duo was paulo ferreira and essien.
Avram Grant would do a better job than Rafa at Liverpool!!
ah playing the injury card!!
meh jack safe!!
Injury setback for Liverpool duo
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres has been ruled out for three weeks with an adductor injury, the club has said.
Midfielder Xabi Alonso is also facing a spell on the sidelines after X-rays revealed he had fractured the fourth metatarsal in his left foot.
Both players were injured during Sunday's 1-1 draw against Arsenal, along with team-mate Javier Mascherano.
However, the Argentine midfielder has suffered only extensive bruising and no bone injury, scans have revealed.
Torres suffered a recurrence of the injury which had kept him out for a month before he played in Sunday clash at Anfield.
Alonso limped off after 68 minutes while Torres was replaced by Peter Crouch at half-time and Mascherano was left with his foot in a medical boot.
Manager Rafael Benitez said: "Alonso has suffered the same injury again, the metatarsal, he felt something go in his foot.
"Torres also has a similar injury, a problem with an abductor muscle. He could not work as hard as we wanted, we wanted his pace and it was not available.
"He just was not fit. We talked beforehand and he said he was fine. Now we must wait again, he had been out for some time and we have been pushing to get him back, but he has not been right and he still is not right.
"I will need to check with the doctor to see how the players are in the next two days."
Benitez admitted his side paid the price for the injuries they experienced during the game at Anfield.
"We had problems when we lost Torres and then Alonso. We could not control the midfield then, we also had Mascherano with a foot injury and had lost (Mohamed) Sissoko beforehand with sickness," he said.
"In the end there were too many problems against a really good team."
But he praised the contribution of his captain Steven Gerrard who netted Liverpool's goal after a difficult week.
"Stevie has been playing better and this was a very good performance," he added.
"We had a plan to use the strikers wide and for Stevie to attack through the middle with two holding players behind.
"But when we started losing players through injury, it just became too difficult to get forward.
"What pleased me most was the commitment of the players, our supporters should be happy with the efforts they put in against a very good team like Arsenal.
"Arsenal are playing well, a fantastic team. But it is too early, we are six points behind with a game in hand and there is a long way to go yet."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7066686.stm
Published: 2007/10/29 13:47:39 GMT
© BBC MMVIII
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Nope, u wrong there JDB.
Dirk Kuyt @ Feyenoord - Games /Goals
2002/3 - 34/20
2003/4 - 34/20
2004/5 - 34/29
2005/6 - 35/24
Incidentally, in those last two seasons he was top scorer in the Erediviste.
Kuyt came to the EPL with a big rep, better than any striker at Villa, Everton, West Ham, Arsenal and Chelsea, with the exception of Shevchenko.
Van Persie used to bench for Kuyt for Holland and Adebayor was nobody until this year for the Arsenal men who ready to jump on my case. Plus, traditionally players who excel in Holland have no problems adapting to the EPL. So to say Kuyt is not a proven goal scorer is nonsense.
Incidentally, I find Crouch not good but his international strike rate is better than Stern's, so to rank Stern as class, u hadda rank Crouch in terms of your measurement.
Also, because u say that it doesn't matter if Villa or the rest are higher than Liverpool doesn't make a difference is because u misunderstood my point. I meant that any one of those managers, with Benitez same rank shithounds, will be challenging the big 3 and not doing the nonsense that Benitez is.
Even in all the years they in the big 4, liverpool never once post a challenge for the league.At least Arsenal and ManU were in the race at different times against Chelsea when they won, but never Liverpool. the man squad to deep and have too many star names for them to blame anybody but him.
You misunderstand me. You seem to think that I am saying that Rafa is not the problem, when I am not.
What I am saying that even when he is gone Liverpool is still not winning the league because the players are not good enough. And that is Rafa number one fault. Buying too many average players and thinking that the squad deep.
Also you ranking Kuyt based on goals record in Holland I watching football and when yuh watch Kuyt and compare him to th elikes of Adebayor, RVP, Rooney, Tevez, Saha, Berbs, Keane, Drogba, Yakubu he is not in the same class. Proof will come in time because when Rafa gone and/or Kuyt gone to a next club he will nstill not be top class.
And like I say the only difference between coming 3rd and 10th is champions league. You would still be a loser in thetitle stakes and even managers like O'Neill and Moyes will not win the league with that squad.
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i think babel should be coming into the game in de 2nd half. he does bring life when liverpool are down. (kinda like T&T bringing in cornell around de 70th min to run past tired defenders). crouch and voronin should go. voronin never really impressed me and crouch.....i never really forgave him for pulling sancho's dreads ;D
these owners oh lawd them shouldve never buy de club......whey sah watch at baccahnal at liverpool. i would bring in quaresma and kenwyne. great combo right dey actually.
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i find allyuh should mind allyuh damn business and leave we team alone eh :yapping:
is unfortunate that we have many injuries ;D and Kuyt seriously lacking confidence
but doh worry we making Champions league final again..once Torres stay fit :nailbiting:
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Redknapp: Rafa won't win Prem
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7789060/Redknapp:-Rafa-won't-win-Prem
Former Liverpool midfielder Jamie Redknapp does not think the Reds will ever win the Premier League title under Rafael Benitez.
The Reds are a massive 19 points behind league leaders Arsenal - and face a real battle with Merseyside neighbours Everton for fourth place.
Liverpool got a point from a dour 0-0 draw with Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on Sunday - and Redknapp feels Benitez will always place the Champions League above league glory on his list of priorities.
He said: "I don't think Liverpool can win it (the league) under Rafa Benitez. I think they are further away than they have ever been before. They have got no chance.
"For Rafa Benitez, the kudos is winning the Champions League. That's his priority, everything is geared to that. Liverpool under Rafa can beat anyone on their day. But over the course of a league season they struggle."
He added: "I really thought that this could be their year.
"But the rotation - they make so many changes and you don't get consistency or understanding. The best managers like Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson keep basically the same team and system. In their big games, they field their strongest team.
"When Crouch and Torres play up front, they look as if they can make it work. They get one or two games together, but then Benitez changes it."
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i think babel should be coming into the game in de 2nd half. he does bring life when liverpool are down. (kinda like T&T bringing in cornell around de 70th min to run past tired defenders). crouch and voronin should go. voronin never really impressed me and crouch.....i never really forgave him for pulling sancho's dreads ;D
these owners oh lawd them shouldve never buy de club......whey sah watch at baccahnal at liverpool. i would bring in quaresma and kenwyne. great combo right dey actually.
WHy ARE PPL STILL BLAMING OWNERS FOR NOT WINING A LEAGUE TITLE SINCE RAFA HAS BEEN THERE
a couple champs league finals is a GREAT way to say something....but what happens when you begin to struggle and cant even win your own league.
Rotation policy is great for cups NOT FOR A MARTHON SEASON.....dont think lance armstrong coulda afford to rotate the lead with he team when he was in form.
somebody said it earlier you need to keep men like carragher agger mascherano torres starting
personally to me its too much average men in that squad and if you want a consistent team that could win 3 points week in week out it should be this
REINA
Finnan(average) Carragher Agger Riise
Benayoun Xabi Alonso Mascherano Babel
Gerrard( a free role but still mainting tactical discipline)
Torres
maybe if this side here catch a fire then we could be looking at a team that even fighting for 2nd instead of the usual 4th
i lie?
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What is Liverpool real scene?
in a nutshell
dey is real sh!t
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i think babel should be coming into the game in de 2nd half. he does bring life when liverpool are down. (kinda like T&T bringing in cornell around de 70th min to run past tired defenders). crouch and voronin should go. voronin never really impressed me and crouch.....i never really forgave him for pulling sancho's dreads ;D
these owners oh lawd them shouldve never buy de club......whey sah watch at baccahnal at liverpool. i would bring in quaresma and kenwyne. great combo right dey actually.
WHy ARE PPL STILL BLAMING OWNERS FOR NOT WINING A LEAGUE TITLE SINCE RAFA HAS BEEN THERE
a couple champs league finals is a GREAT way to say something....but what happens when you begin to struggle and cant even win your own league.
Rotation policy is great for cups NOT FOR A MARTHON SEASON.....dont think lance armstrong coulda afford to rotate the lead with he team when he was in form.
somebody said it earlier you need to keep men like carragher agger mascherano torres starting
personally to me its too much average men in that squad and if you want a consistent team that could win 3 points week in week out it should be this
REINA
Finnan(average) Carragher Agger Riise
Benayoun Xabi Alonso Mascherano Babel
Gerrard( a free role but still mainting tactical discipline)
Torres
maybe if this side here catch a fire then we could be looking at a team that even fighting for 2nd instead of the usual 4th
i lie?
i think rafa learnt his rotation lesson, maybe too late, and now injuries killing the squad
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Liverpool will make it into the top 4 and play CL ball again next year again.
i stake my reputation on it
What Reputation is that? :devil:
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2 things:
1) Jamie Redknapp used to be one of Rafa's most vocal supporters. That's a massive statement for him to make.
2) I heard a rumour of Xabi Alonso to Barcelona for Thierry Henry in a straight swap. May sound ridiculous, but they have both been unsettled this season...
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The other team from Liverpool played really well today ;D
Lookout Liverfool.... Lookout you may not be in Europe next year :devil:
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What is Liverpool real scene?
in a nutshell
dey is real sh!t
FA CUP :o ::) :devil: :rotfl:
Big Up!
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Howard now give them a proper purge in extra time.
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ah well...
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OMG dey lorse :o they are the Erectile Disfunction of football ::) lord boy they loss hmmmm ::)
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yeah dem men and dem like dey didnt want to win..they shoulda put away that team...that was a wicked goal to win it...
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Liverpool aint winning sh!t this season......
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OMG dey lorse :o they are the Erectile Disfunction of football ::) lord boy they loss hmmmm ::)
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't yuh have tuh have a likle sumtin to try tuh get up inorder to have ED? Ah doh Liverfool have dat. Is not fair dat we does have tuh bring up dis thread every week wit dis team! Every week is sumtin. Ah kinda startin tuh feel ah likle sorry for dem oui, but nah f^ck em!
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They suck ass!!!
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i looking at all the recent star studded teams . DO these teams ever really bring in trophies. my answer is NO. then one must start to question y. is it 2 many cooks? 2 man rat cant live in 1 hole
what causes the down fall? the first obvious thing would be player ego and the need 4 the manager to be as good in psychology as he is in football
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i looking at all the recent star studded teams . DO these teams ever really bring in trophies. my answer is NO. then one must start to question y. is it 2 many cooks? 2 man rat cant live in 1 hole
what causes the down fall? the first obvious thing would be player ego and the need 4 the manager to be as good in psychology as he is in football
i understand your point. but it not really correct to say star studded teams doh bring in the trophies. in fact, star studded teams tend to win almost everything. maybe you trying to single out teams like the Galacticos of Madrid or the current Barca..but is not like a nobody team come and win in their place when they were off.
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Barnsley is ah decent team....i was impressed with the "no Fear" approach they took....tops
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Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Liverpool 1
Barnsley 2
;D
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shit side is shit side
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Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Liverpool 1
Barnsley 2
;D
good one
aye LiverPuddle wha goin orn
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allyuh doh worry
we resting bout 4 on Inter today :beermug:
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shit side is shit side
say it ah few more times.....:devil: ;D
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COME ON YOU RED MEN!!!! PLEASE F*CKING PLAY TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2008!!!
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We will know what is their real scene today, since this is the last hope ;D
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YEAH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beermug:
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I am not a Liverpool fan, but there is nothing like a big win to shut up the waggonists and skeptics.
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Team with European pedigree. Not even Man U or Arsenal could boast bout that kinda pedigree. We built for Europe.
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whey...look at men flying out the woodwork, beating dey chest. unless Rafa win the whole thing, should he should keep his job?
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commenceth the straw grabbing
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(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/79839485.jpg)
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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/79839485.jpg
Nº Team GP W D L Pts
1. Arsenal 26 19 6 1 63
2. Manchester United 26 18 4 4 58
Small Mag ah know is CIC yuh attending so let me do the Math for you: 63-58=5
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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/79839485.jpg
Nº Team GP W D L Pts
1. Arsenal 26 19 6 1 63
2. Manchester United 26 18 4 4 58
Small Mag ah know is CIC yuh attending so let me do the Math for you: 63-58=5
das a below the belt blow... >:(
we were on the topic of liverpool!! ;D
Watch how easy that 5 points will evaporate...doh worry
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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e7/ruud1000/79839485.jpg
Nº Team GP W D L Pts
1. Arsenal 26 19 6 1 63
2. Manchester United 26 18 4 4 58
Small Mag ah know is CIC yuh attending so let me do the Math for you: 63-58=5
das a below the belt blow... >:(
we were on the topic of liverpool!! ;D
Watch how easy that 5 points will evaporate...doh worry
i hope so, cause it have some arsenal men i dying to kill with talk at the end of the season, i wont be able to deal if they win the league.
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Once the americans in charge, benitez getting fired at the end of the season regardless. He was hired to win the league, not that champions league. The European run will just safeguard him for the rest of the season.
Mourinho waiting in the wings...
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Ah feel Torres does read this forum... like he have something to prove, cause he buss de net 3 times...
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allyuh doh worry
we resting bout 4 on Inter today :beermug:
2-0 well ah was half right ;D
ah tell allyuh we taking the Champions league
next year we go try to make ah run for the league after we buy David Villa and 2 new centrebacks ;)
i expect Torres to start every fleckign match now Rafa
the bad part was that he was meh captain in fantasy football for the majority of the season and i did drop him last week yes..steups
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allyuh doh worry
we resting bout 4 on Inter today :beermug:
2-0 well ah was half right ;D
ah tell allyuh we taking the Champions league
next year we go try to make ah run for the league after we buy David Villa and 2 new centrebacks ;)
i expect Torres to start every fleckign match now Rafa
the bad part was that he was meh captain in fantasy football for the majority of the season and i did drop him last week yes..steups
If yuh doh win the champions league, yuh playing UEFA Cup tournament nex year not Champions league.
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Ah feel Torres does read this forum... like he have something to prove, cause he buss de net 3 times...
why, somebody start a thread about him not belonging? ;D ;D
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I wasn't sure where to post this, but...
Liverpool fans...
Would you believe me if i said I just saw Sissoko score a bicycle for Juventus?
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I wasn't sure where to post this, but...
Liverpool fans...
Would you believe me if i said I just saw Sissoko score a bicycle for Juventus?
Yuh joking, right? Dat man cyar score to save he life. He scored once for 'Pool, right?
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http://www.dailymotion.com/search/Sissoko/video/x4kils_juventus-11-fiorentina-sissoko_sport
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Liverpool owners reject £400m DIC takeover
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=513455&cc=5901
Liverpool co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have rejected Dubai International Capital's £400million bid for the Premier League club.
The offer, which would represent a £25million profit for each of the American tycoons, was immediately turned down, an associate involved with the negotiations revealed. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
The source also suggests that Hicks had not formally rejected the offer but has made it very clear that he is unwilling to sell his share in the club.
Hicks is committed to retaining his 50 percent share in Liverpool while Gillett is reportedly willing to sell. Hicks has said he can block Gillett from selling his stake.
Although no formal statement is expected from Hicks, his stance remains the same as last month, when he said: 'Reports that I am about to sell my stake in the Liverpool Football Club, or to invite DIC to examine the club's books in preparation for such a sale - like other such reports planted in the UK press in recent weeks by parties with their own self-interested agenda - are absolutely and categorically false.
'The reality is that I am personally, professionally and financially committed to the club and its supporters and I will continue to honour that commitment to the best of my ability now and in the future.'
The American duo bought the club last year for approximately £218m - beating a rival bid from the Dubai consortium.
Hicks also owns the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Stars.
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alyuh ready for alyuh licks tommorow
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alyuh ready for alyuh licks tommorow
Unless your looking to give Liverpool a spanking yourself (which I would find very STRANGE) they are NOT playing tomorrow.
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=15106/match=301902/index.html
Inter and AC can not play at home in the same week.
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just preparing this thread for later :devil:
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On to the draw on Friday :beermug:
What a player Torres is. It's so nice to have a top class striker who will put away chances and half-chances. With apologies to Milan Baros, Cisse, El-Hadji Diouf etc, we haven't had a striker of that class since Owen :beermug:
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
sh!t side is sh!t side.
:devil:
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
sh!t side is sh!t side.
:devil:
cheers to that :cheers: :devil:
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We shall regroup and overcome....
5 Eurocups closing in on 6...... ;D
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
Team? Ah see yuh tryin tuh be kind. Dey aint have a team. 3 top players(Torres, Gerrard and Marcherano) doh make ah team dat equal Sh!terpool not ah team!
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
Team? Ah see yuh tryin tuh be kind. Dey aint have a team. 3 top players(Torres, Gerrard and Marcherano) doh make ah team dat equal Sh!terpool not ah team!
:rotfl:
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
Team? Ah see yuh tryin tuh be kind. Dey aint have a team. 3 top players(Torres, Gerrard and Marcherano) doh make ah team dat equal Sh!terpool not ah team!
Allyuh people rel ruff on dis site boy! Is a good ting I does only support GOOD SIDE, dat way I wouldna hadda be takin' all dis ole talk from allyuh! Man(u) head woulda done buss arready! ;D
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why do i have to keep bringing this thread up, 3 NIL BOY HAHAHAHA what a waste of a team :D
Team? Ah see yuh tryin tuh be kind. Dey aint have a team. 3 top players(Torres, Gerrard and Marcherano) doh make ah team dat equal Sh!terpool not ah team!
Allyuh people rel ruff on dis site boy! Is a good ting I does only support GOOD SIDE, dat way I wouldna hadda be takin' all dis ole talk from allyuh! Man(u) head woulda done buss arready! ;D
LOL! How clever!!!!
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allyuh doh worry..ah tell allyuh we taking Champions League ;)
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Gillett reveals Hicks partnership is 'unworkable'
Soccernet
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=520550&cc=5901
Liverpool owner George Gillett Jr, has revealed that his partnership with co-owner Tom Hicks has become 'unworkable'.
The American claims that the partnership has been under strain 'for some time' in an interview given to ESPN affiliate radio station The Fan 590 in Canada and that Hicks' refusal to sell his stake in the club led to the Gillett family receiving death threats.
Gillett also revealed that he made an offer to sell his own stake to DIC, but the deal fell through.
'This partnership [with Hicks] has been unworkable for some time,' he said.
'We gave our partner a long period of time to try to make arrangements to buy us out. We didn't put pressure on him but he ultimately did not get to the finishing line.
'Because of the things he said, the fans' reaction has been so negative to him that if we sold to him it has been made untenable for us.
'He threatened to block me selling to Dubai - that was certainly one of the things that made the fans upset.'
'Lord knows DIC have the means with the oil prices going up every day that money was not even an issue,' he said. 'I think they would have been very responsible owners. But making that not possible or difficult didn't endear [Hicks] to the fans.'
Listen to the full interview with George Gillett here.
http://www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20080327_191143_5912
Gillett also revealed how the number of e-mails he has received, have been directed mainly at Hicks. 'We get as many as 2,000 emails a week,' he said. 'Ninety five per cent of them have been directed at some of the comments made by my partner.'
'The fans don't want him to have even one share of my stake in the club, based on what they are sending to me. As a result of that we have received many phone calls in the middle of the night threatening our lives, death threats. A number came to the office and my son, Foster, and daughter-in-law, Lauren, have received them.'
Gillett did not reveal what he planned to do with his half share of Liverpool now, but said there were 'pieces on the chess board moving'.
'What I do know is that the fans and the fabled history of this club deserves better, and we are going to do whatever we can to prove that,' he said.
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well we take of Everton and wrap up 4th spot..hardluck Fishs ;D
Next we going down Wednesday to de Emirates to rest bout 3 on Arsenal :wavetowel:
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well we take of Everton and wrap up 4th spot..hardluck Fishs ;D
Next we going down Wednesday to de Emirates to rest bout 3 on Arsenal :wavetowel:
Six more games, Torres could shut down anything could happen, but say what Liverpool is ah big side and when the going gets tough..... ;D
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Updated: April 27, 2008
DIC deny Mourinho offered Benitez's job
Liverpool fans' groups have been assured that Jose Mourinho has not been offered Rafael Benitez's job as boss at Anfield.
In a situation similar to the one admitted by co-owners Tom Hicks that they did meet Jurgen Klinsmann last year to discuss a possible appointment at Anfield, it has now been claimed that Dubai International Capital have held conversations with former Chelsea boss Mourinho.
But sources at DIC have denied that they have ever 'offered the job to Mourinho, or met him to discuss it.'
And DIC's representatives, who have good relations with a number of Liverpool fans' groups including the recently formed Spirit of Shankly organisation, have gone to the point today of contacting them to deny speculation over Mourinho.
They are aware that Liverpool fans would react with horror if they believed Mourinho was a possible replacement for Benitez, who has been shown that he has fans' full support to continue in the job.
Anfield supporters have not forgiven Mourinho for much of the rhetoric and confrontational attitude towards the club taken over the years by the Portuguese coach, particularly involving the Champions League clashes between Liverpool and Chelsea.
So it is being greeted with suspicion that more speculation over Mourinho and Liverpool has surfaced just days before the clubs meet again at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday in the Champions League semi-final second leg.
DIC are acutely aware that if they do eventually take over at Anfield, Benitez has complete backing from the club's fans and any move to dislodge him would be a massive PR blunder.
It is believed DIC have actually been contacted twice by intermediaries for Mourinho suggesting a meeting, but the offer has not been taken up because they are happy with the job Benitez is doing and they are very aware of the reaction from the Kop fans.
Benitez is also believed to be aware of DIC's stance as he bids to take Liverpool to their third European Cup final in four seasons.
• Meanwhile, Mourinho has spoken enthusiastically about the possibility of taking charge of either Real Madrid or Barcelona one day.
The Primera Liga giants are two of a number of clubs frequently being linked with Mourinho, who has been out of work since leaving Chelsea earlier this season.
The Portuguese insists his next destination has yet to be decided, but he admits the top jobs at Madrid and Barca both appeal to him.
'Barcelona is an absolutely fantastic club and I enjoyed my time there very much, just like in the six games I have played against them in three years,' said Mourinho, who was at Barca earlier in his career as an assistant coach.
'I don't know if my future will be to train Barca or to play against them. (Either way) what is clear is that I hope to enjoy myself again with Barcelona.'
Like Barca, Real Madrid still have a coach in place at present but that has not stopped speculation about the possibility of Mourinho taking charge at the Bernabeu either.
When asked about Madrid during an interview with Spanish newspaper ABC this weekend, Mourinho said: 'Every coach wants to coach Real Madrid, I am not the only one.'
Mourinho also denied any suggestion that he had already signed a deal to become the next boss of Italian side Inter Milan.
'No, I continue being a coach free to decide my future. I do not feel any type of pressure to decide what I want to do. I can wait a little more.'
The former Porto manager's immediate future will almost certainly see him end up either in Spain or Italy but a return to the Premier League remains a long-term goal.
'I am a lover of English football, but after having been at Chelsea three seasons I would like to change leagues and return afterwards to England,' he said.
'Spain and Italy along with England are three countries with the greater quality leagues, with the greater impact on a world level.
'Calcio (Serie A) is very tactical, with quite a defined football philosophy. I would like to work there with my ideas and my philosophy.
'I have worked four years in Spain, as an assistant and not as a coach. But it was a very nice time and I would not have problem about returning.'
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=529579&cc=5901 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=529579&cc=5901)