See why dey can't kill de golden goose 8)
According tuh de TTFF Constitution:
DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF OFFICERS
Article XIV
14.1 The President
a. The President is the Chief Co-ordinating Officer of the Federation.
b. The President shall preside at all General Meetings, General Council Meetings, and Executive Committee Meetings of the Federation. In the absence of the President, the senior Vice President present shall preside at the above mentioned meetings. In the absence of the President and the Three Vice-Presidents, a Chairman shall be elected from among the persons present and entitled to vote at the meeting.
His main role is to go "Yes Jack!....yuh want meh to sign where on the contract?".
The minor requirements of his job spec are:
1). To agree with everything Jack say
2). Laugh at the jokes Jack make
3). Nod head in agreement at any statement Jack make when they go ah press conference
and
4). Mismanage the TTFF as much as humanly possible without getting throw in jail.
camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut water
oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps ( like roll it gyal )
camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut waterAlyuh men is real ass, yes boy :rotfl:
oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps ( like roll it gyal )
camps role is 2 eat, sleep, and shit jack warner, then do again and again, he doh do anything, he does also on a full time basis wash warner bamsee
das meh fadda yuh talkin bout!!! >:(
camps role...camps role???.... camps role is tuh roll on de ground.......scotch and coconut water
oooiiii...roll it camps roll it camps ( like roll it gyal )
doh talk about my father that way! he is a good man!yute, even hitler son would swear that he father was a good man. The real question is, could you come out and state as boldly that Jack warner never tief and scull and lie while your father was the supposed president of ttff(/a)?
:rotfl:doh talk about my father that way! he is a good man!yute, even hitler son would swear that he father was a good man. The real question is, could you come out and state as boldly that Jack warner never tief and scull and lie while your father was the supposed president of ttff(/a)?
if not then your fahter like the policeman outside watching the bacnk robbery and ent doing nuttin....cyah call he a good man.
well he talk like a real stooge.
VB
fellaz please doh let a chance like this pass again without calling in and asking the right questions.
1) WHO is allowed to vote?
2) How does one get on the ballot?
anybody on this site ...please get yuhself on the ballot...we don't want to more warner adn camps and dem crooks runnin we ball no more.
put TI name on thre ballot if we could ;D ...nobody could do more harm than jack and camps done doing
Come on people...meet and get this over with. There is enough money floating around to solve this problem without sacrificing programs or preparation.
Very happy with FPATT and very happy that everybody seems willing to talk. These coming weeks will hopefully have more progress than we've seen in the last months.
Why allyuh only mispelling the man name the last few weeks.
L A S A N A
doh worry nah! man know who we talking bout
Why allyuh only mispelling the man name the last few weeks.DCS, Thanks for pointing out my mis-spelling
L A S A N A
any Lawyers in the House that could answer me this question.
Can the TnT Government sue the TTFF, on behalf of the Blacklisted Players, for what they are doing?
there has got to be a way for this to STOP.
Jennings or Lasana or somebody help please. (sorry for the mis-spelling)
Jack has to be stopped as he treats our Football heros very badly.
So what was the outcome from this meeting?
oh God
The using the same Lawyer as Nakhid
This is leading to more and more confusion.
Court is not the way to go because it will be donkey years before anything gets done.
how Jack and them come clean.
At least they could say we spend the money and have no more left to give.
Did they file this in a T&T court? ???
Say it ain't so.
Some judge getting a new car, life time passes to all TT games and other parting gifts :devil: :devil:.;D
They cyah file it in any other jurisdiction...the dispute is between Trinidadian parties, contending a contract that was agreed upon in Trinidad.
Did they file this in a T&T court? ???
Say it ain't so.
They cyah file it in any other jurisdiction...the dispute is between Trinidadian parties, contending a contract that was agreed upon in Trinidad.
Did they file this in a T&T court? ???
Say it ain't so.
Fli.....ah used to believe in de Justice system too until a certain senior Doctor's case was tried in record time and well with de CJ bachanal.....ah losing hope fast.....like ah losing hope about everything else about dis country.....
Did they file this in a T&T court? ???
Say it ain't so.
I've explained in another post why it has been filed in the TnT High Ct.
I don't understand why people don't have faith in our judicial system. I for one, hold our judges in very high esteem and believe (at least with respect to the High Court & the Court of Appeal) that they are very independent and able to discharge their duties without fear or favour
Standard Statutes for Associations (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/standard_statutes_en_1609.pdf)
Specifically mentions Ordinary Courts of Law
Fifa Statutes (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/statutes_08_2006_en_pdf_52.pdf)
pg 41 Article 62
That is what I going on. I might be wrong and even not they may still accomplish what they want.
T&T court have its advantages but time is not one of them.
The using the same Lawyer as NakhidAh believe dat is de same lawyer who representin dem fellas who get hold de odda day fuh de JFK plot.
This is leading to more and more confusion.
Standard Statutes for Associations (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/standard_statutes_en_1609.pdf)
Specifically mentions Ordinary Courts of Law
Fifa Statutes (http://fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/statutes_08_2006_en_pdf_52.pdf)
pg 41 Article 62
That is what I going on. I might be wrong and even not they may still accomplish what they want.
T&T court have its advantages but time is not one of them.
Good info dey breds...ah didn't even think of the CAS. I personally I'm not a fan of arbitration because I feel like there is less transparency in the rulings. The thing with court cases is that the ruling is based on precedence...so one and easily identify the logic behind the ruling "in (X v. Y 2001) the court ruled such and such and such...the issue in this dispute is identical to that in X v. Y, therefore we apply that ruling here". See in arbitration I'm not sure if there is such a reliance on precedence. I'm not saying there isn't...I honestly don't know...but that's one thing that would trouble me. I've looked at arbitration rulings in the past and often I can't make heads nor tails about them. Not to imply that they're random...but I like to understand via a logical progression as to how the arbitrator or panel arrives at it's decision.
P. 41 Article 62...
Again, great research:
2 Recourse to ordinary courts of law is prohibited unless specifically
provided for in the FIFA regulations.
3 To ensure the foregoing, the Associations shall insert a clause in
their statutes stipulating that their clubs and members are prohibited
from taking a dispute to ordinary courts of law and are required
to submit any disagreement to the jurisdiction of the Association,
the appropriate Confederation or FIFA.
These are the two things that perhaps may offer an explanation. Regarding (2) Is there a provision in this case, that allows for the Players to sue the Federation?
Regarding (3)...the statute speaks of "clubs and members"...no mention of players, so there appears to be no prohibition against players taking the Federation to court.
Also...where "players" are in fact referenced in FIFA statutes, another question would be: does that apply only to individual players or to player associations as well...ex. Dwight Yorke cannot sue FIFA..but does that prohibit FPATT from suing FIFA on Dwight Yorke's behalf?
These I think, would be pertinent questions.
Do you think that Jack getting senile or suffering from Alzheimer's or something. NO seriously, the things he been saying is kind of mental like.
Do you think that Jack getting senile or suffering from Alzheimer's or something. NO seriously, the things he been saying is kind of mental like.Jack senile like a fox.
Like Warner New Year's resolution was to make the last .0000001% of the earth population that doh hate him want to kill him!
Next stop ....... Don Blatter.
Big old fox want to put young fox in the position .OK now ah get it.
Big old fox want to put young fox in the position .OK now ah get it.
check it outWhile everyone is focused on the general election.
http://www.i955fm.com/
On elections camps said
- there is no way anyone can serve in the federaton without being elected and he has never been opposed.. no one has contested him for the position .
-ttff elections should be in November (he was kind ah ducking this questioned)
- federation elections should be held every 4 years a fifa rule
- he ask warner to serve as special adviser
IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSSSS ..... SCOTCH AND COCONUT WATER
Camps urges youngsters to follow by example.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).[/size]
Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation President Oliver Camps carried greetings to the Royal Bank Intercol at the launch of the 2007 competition at the Courtyard Marriot on Wednesday morning.
Camps, a former national team manager, urged the youngsters taking part in this year's action to put their best foot forward and he also praised the sponsors for their input which he stressed was vital in the development of the local game.
"It gives me great pleasure to be here with you all for the launch of the 2007 Royal Bank Intercol Series a much anticipated period of the year where we get to witness the football talent at our disposal in keenly contested knockout competition," Camps opened his address.
"It was not too long ago that we witnessed the exploits of our national football team on the world stage in Germany. It was a team consisting of players who began their careers on this very stage the Intercol. From our outstanding captain Dwight Yorke, to Shaka Hislop, Russell Latapy, Stern John and Collin Samuel among others they all blessed this competition at one point in their careers and would have used it as a stepping stone to higher heights. One player who has definitely stepped up big time in recent times is Kenwyne Jones who is proving to one of the key figures for Sunderland in the English Premier League.
"Kenwyne was a member of our national under 17 team at the 2001 World Championship which we hosted so impressively. He as well led St Anthonys College to victories in the Intercol matches and subsequently went on to play World Cup football right across the road at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. Several of you young players will have the early chance to make an impression at that same venue and hopefully follow in the footsteps of Kenwyne and others.
"To the organizers and sponsors of the Intercol, words alone cannot express how much your input means to the development of the local game at the youth level. You are key ingredients in ensuring that our football continues to progress and that our young players continue to develop into top class professionals capable of taking our football to higher levels and making worthy representations on the world stage.
"I take this opportunity to bring blessings to the 2007 tournament from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and may we enjoy another Royal season of Intercol football," Camps concluded.
View video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LjsRfGpcuUo) of RBTT's Intercol launch
Click for Fixtures. (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=30726.msg351168#msg351168)
(http://ttffonline.com/cms/images/stories/TTFFofficialscoaches/oliverfornet20070615122951(1).jpg)
how exactly does one follow by example ?Midknight ya know it have a nice ring to it eh
IT SPEAKSSSSSSSSSSSS ..... SCOTCH AND COCONUT WATERjack busy
The Fearless One was running an ad last week on I95.5 fm asking when were the elections to be held cuz like it was de best kept secret.......well it come like a thief in de night...
So I guess if only 2 Associations show up and agree to de shit den everything OK....but what de mudder a%$$$## I reading here dis evening.....
SSSSSSTTTTEEEUUUUPPPPSSSSS!!!!!.........2010 WE COMING!!!!...... ::) ::) :'( >:(
So nobody knew this Annual meeting would take place Sunday except those that would put the current admin back in unopposed?We have to remember that the TTFF is not a public agency but a private association. One can only assume that Association members (the Eastern and Central Football Associations...whomever they may be) participated.
Are there persons in Trinidad who are interested in the TTFF presidency?I'm sure there are...but members of the public-at-large would be ineligible to run.
Does anybody know when the elections for TTFA take place? After all, they are the recognised representative organisation administering football in T&T.
If they retracted the mandate given to TTFF - a private company- then perhaps football administration would become more open?
As I mention to some peeps I feel u can find out d secrets for Angostura bitters and KFC herbs and spices b4 u know when is d TTFF election
New Minister ready to do something? :'(
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161239459
Time for results
New minister talks tough to sporting bodies
Kern De Freitas
Thursday, November 22nd 2007
Serious talk: New Minister of Sport, Gary Hunt, left, talks business with chairman of the Sports Company of Trinidad and Tobago (SPORTT), Gerard Ferreira at the SPORTT Christmas luncheon at the Hilton Trinidad yesterday. -Photo: Curtis Chase
IT'S time to turn money into results.
"We are now going to ask for delivery. We are not going to ask for the bang for our buck. We want to deliver the institution that we know sport is," Ferreira stressed.
The former Arima Race Club president revealed that his term as SPORTT chairman is coming to an end, saying that results should now be forthcoming after the unprecedented sums given to sports in T&T.
"It doesn't have to be more gold medals. I want to see more people qualifying for the Olympics," Ferreira said, adding that, "we have to start thinking of sport as an industry".
...champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.
...champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.
:waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :banginghead:
well he said his lawyers said told him not to comment...champs don't want to comment on blacklisted players he does not want to say if the players are eligible.
:waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: :banginghead:
he needs to get the OK from Jack
PPl seem to forget that that was one of the terms of the arbitration agreement, that both sides agreed to refrain from commenting on the matter publicly.
Nothings going to be resolved until March. Thats when the decision is made. Still much quicker than court.with that $173 Million TnT, he does NOT need TnT Football anymore
If Warners gonna "leave no stone unturned", theres no reason not to pick players from the 16.
He can't be that stupid to ignore at least 5 of T&Ts best players......can he?
Yes d mirror does have d trute. Dey does like dey bachanal but dey does have d trute. I await d spin by JW
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.You damn right because if those two guys gone Football don't have a cent,i'm around Football too long and my senses always told me our Football was owned by those guys,they have too much control,they surround themselves with only yes people,in the end we might get them out not without a fight but it will take us some good years to recover,we already behind in our development as a Football nation this will set us back even more,everything Football in the country has JW/Camps signature on it,they own it.
and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.You damn right because if those two guys gone Football don't have a cent,i'm around Football too long and my senses always told me our Football was owned by those guys,they have too much control,they surround themselves with only yes people,in the end we might get them out not without a fight but it will take us some good years to recover,we already behind in our development as a Football nation this will set us back even more,everything Football in the country has JW/Camps signature on it,they own it.
I agree with you on this you know Palos,i like your second option but is how our country will deal with such a move is what concerns me,it have people here that have no patience,if the present administration gone they still want us to qualify/win every tournament we play in,give who ever take control a hard time,i know my people we are the biggest critiques of our own self.Look at what happening,we going to wait until they boot out JW and Camps them we will start looking for somebody to replace them,we are never prepared for nothing,we have no plan for when they gone so people will always be saying "if" both of then was there,they have so much control people afraid to even say how will replace them,but don't feel for one minute i want them to stay.and so the cookie crumbles..................this law suit and all them thing goin to be the end of the ttff first though and i aint so sure if that is goin to be good or bad for we football.You damn right because if those two guys gone Football don't have a cent,i'm around Football too long and my senses always told me our Football was owned by those guys,they have too much control,they surround themselves with only yes people,in the end we might get them out not without a fight but it will take us some good years to recover,we already behind in our development as a Football nation this will set us back even more,everything Football in the country has JW/Camps signature on it,they own it.
So what's your position?
Continue with the staus quo and allow them to continue to run roughshod over a game & country you and all of us claim to love?
OR
Do whatever it takes to remove them and create a new beginning for our football no matter what pain we will have to endure in the interim?
What do YOU Coop's say?
my opinion in song (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zTxUxFjLB0):applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
kent,
You had alluded to the difference between the TTFA and the TTFF in this thread:
TTFA or TTFF. Which is legally the administration? (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=31452.0)
and I've read a few other little blurbs about the demise of the TTFA but it was hard to get the full story. This is the first time I've heard it was a sole proprietorship.
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
OK, I knew Warner was actually running things behind his puppet administration, but how the hell can the T&T govt, FIFA, CONCACAF, FPATT and FIFPro allow this to happen??Kent, my 2 cents here
Football is supposed to be run by the people, for the people. In other words, it has to be democratic.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: NOT IN TNT my friend. Welcome to Warner's WORLD. ;)
I believe that the group, the TTFF, were VERY successful ;)I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
as his influence in Concacaf grew , and his eventual election to President , he was able to influence the vote concerning the election of Blatter as head of FIFA. Therefore Jackula IS Blatter's DADDY. What Jackula wants Blatter GIVES.
OK, I knew Warner was actually running things behind his puppet administration, but how the hell can the T&T govt, FIFA, CONCACAF, FPATT and FIFPro allow this to happen??Kent, my 2 cents here
based solely on my impressions of the last XX years....dont want to give my age :rotfl: :rotfl:
Warner realised from VERY early that Football had MONEY....PLENTY Money to be made.
he aligned himself with Dr. Joao Havelange, who probably taught him many things. Check Jackula's monument to him in Trinidad here (http://www.concacaf.com/centre.asp)
as his influence in Concacaf grew , and his eventual election to President , he was able to influence the vote concerning the election of Blatter as head of FIFA. Therefore Jackula IS Blatter's DADDY. What Jackula wants Blatter GIVES.
He is also president of CFU and "Special Advisor" to the TTFF....make NO MISTAKE about it, Jackula IS THE TTFF...it is JUST a loop hole that he HAS TO have the label of "Special Advisor".
The people in the TTFF, I am lead to believe, can't even relieve themselves without Jackula's permission, his power over them is that strong.
please remember that this is solely my opinion based on events of the past. ;)
KSM, maybe you should slowly peruse this thread (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021)Football is supposed to be run by the people, for the people. In other words, it has to be democratic.:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: NOT IN TNT my friend. Welcome to Warner's WORLD. ;)
very sorry but I just had to put this by itselfI believe that the group, the TTFF, were VERY successful ;)I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
because that is what we have now.
maybe the reporter got it mixed up. ;) ;)
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.
:thinking:I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that."Andre Kamperveen was assassinated ................in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
For sure that would be the ideal scenario,the thing is we have dug ourselves such a big hole i would not like to be in the shoes of who ever is going to take over from Jack and Camps.:thinking:I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that."Andre Kamperveen was assassinated ................in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah........................
I would love to say it but I just cant bring myself to ;)
SERIOUSLY:
Coop's, suppose if something that bad was to happen with the TTFF and the next person to lead the TTFF was a civilised Human Being who treated people fairly....could that be a very possible scenario then ??
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.
"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.
"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
:o :-X :-X
I would like everyone to know why i am so concerned about what's going on with our Football,Suriname at one time was a power house in the region,their big man at the time was Andre Campervene he was also in charge of the region,he came and died and that was the end of Suriname as a Football country,they never recovered.I just wanted to mention that.
"Andre Kamperveen was assassinated by political opponents in 1982 and was succeeded as CFU President by Jack Warner.
:o :-X :-X
With Jack gone from the TTFF and FIFA, we will be without the rich godfather to carry us, but i think its worth it in the long run. We will be jus like all the other countries in CONCACAF with no Jack Warner and little money.may I add that countries like Jamaica made it to the "Big Fete" way before we did and they NEVER had someone like Warner............CoIncidence.............. :thinking:............I leave that for you to decide... ;) ;)
We go hadda make do, and play good football.
We in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation are consoled by the fact that nothing lasts forever, not even the present Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs.
I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...
Bakes and Midknight you guys took the words from my mouth...also they say they are audited every year by KPMG...When is the public goin to see these audit reports!Nobody eh really care about them and they KPMG audits...we eh care what dem to with their money too much...tief FIFA money all allyuh want...we have a right to know what happen to ours.
they shud have some interesting things in them
Statment from president of TTFF Oliver Camps in response to minister Gary Hunt
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
I had planned not to dignify the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs attack on the Football Federation last Thursday with a response of any kind. But since he chose to attack the T&TFF in the midst of our hosting the CONCACAF Futsal Qualifying Competition when we have hundreds of our football colleagues in our midst, I, in my capacity as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, have chosen to respond to him so as to set the records straight, at least in the eyes of our international colleagues.
The Minister, after having our Press Officer, Shaun Fuentes ejected from the press conference, in sum, accused us of lacking ambition and of failing to submit a budget for our strategic plan for 2008 2014. I will therefore deal with these two maters, albeit somewhat briefly.
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation is 100 years old this year and is celebrating this centennial achievement with a series of activities, the launch of which took place at the home of His Excellency, Professor Dr. George Maxwell Richards a fortnight ago. The Federations record over the last 100 years will be revealed during the series of activities throughout this year but, for the Minister Hunts sake, I will merely submit to him, a list of some of our achievements these past seven years, when he was nowhere around.
In 2001, we hosted the FIFA U17 World Championship which, on record, remains the most successful event ever hosted anywhere in the world for that age group. Where the money from this successful event?Between 2001 and the present time, hundreds of our footballers have been able to become professional players overseas and our officials have held the highest offices in FIFA, CONCACAF and CFU.
We are the only country in the Caribbean to have a full professional football league as well as a full semi-pro league both of which have given employment to hundreds of footballers.
In 2006 we reached our highest point when we qualified for the FIFA World Cup Finals in Germany the smallest and youngest country to have ever done so to date!!!
We have successfully hosted several CONCACAF and CFU events during the intervening years and have equally participated in others which we have not hosted. At this very moment, we have two National Womens teams participating in events in Mexico and Costa Rica, while our men have recently successfully competed against El Salvador and Jamaica.
Our accounts are audited every year by KPMG and our membership benefits from our regular meetings at the Executive, General Council and Annual level.
The list can go on and on but I believe that I have said enough to debunk Minister Hunts assertion of the Federation being a body that lacks ambition. And to think that all our achievements to date have been possible without one red cent of Government spending from this Johnny come lately Minister of Sport! But, you got monies from the Ministry. A Minister who has refused to attend any function to which we have invited him not even the hallowed halls of the Presidents House was saved from this disgrace!!
We have applied to Government, through the Ministry of Sport, to host the FIFA U17 Womens Championship and though the former Minister of Sports, Roger Boynes had agreed in principle, to date, the present Minister has refused to even acknowledge the Federations submission. England is playing a friendly match against us on June 1 the first time in the history of football in the Caribbean and this Minister of Sport will not even fix the playing pitch of the Hasely Crawford Stadium to facilitate the playing of this historic encounter.
We submitted, on the Ministers request, a strategic plan for 2008 2014 and have not even had an acknowledgment of our submission. But we are accused in his press conference of not submitting a budget a budget for a document which we have never met to discuss and finalise nor even discuss over the phone!!
And then he ejects our Press Officer from his press conference!
We in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation are consoled by the fact that nothing lasts forever, not even the present Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs. Is this threat of some kind?
Sgd
Oliver Camps
Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation
nah ah feel de hand up he ass.I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...
In truth! Because if yuh look good yuh could see the hand behind he back ;D
BTW can someone tell me what steups is I have been wondering that for ages, sorry I but I am a foriegner ;)http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=12318.0
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I smell a jack. Camps doh have that much personality...
FIFA will support TTFA over the TNT Government and will suppend our national football team from FIFA events. We can deal with that as a sovereign state. There is a built in conflict of interest who does Jack Warner represent FIFA, TTFA, UNC, "FTATT"? Can JW or anyone serve three masters?
I do agree there needs to be transparency and accountability by all concern about all tax payers resources.
can someone correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt the TTFF auditor some Rampersad guy during the whole WC impasse? I wouldnt want to believe that a reputable firm like KPMG would want their name associated with such bush accounting as TTFF exhibits
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
Nope. its not "fairly obvious". Read this post for a condensed history of those eventsIsn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=35330.msg417392#msg417392
I just found this from the Los Angeles Times Nov 18, 1989:who were those individuals and where are they(rival group) today?
"That would be a staggering accomplishment considering that the TTFA almost ceased to exist earlier this decade. Between 1983 and '86, a rival group, the T&T Football Federation, attempted a hostile takeover of soccer on the islands. It had the support of the ruling party, the People's National Movement, but it was not sanctioned by the International Federation of Association Football (FIFA).
Isn't that fairly obvious? The rival group must have been Warner, Camps etc. Be interesting to know when TTFF took over and was Warner involved in FIFA then? That way, he would have quashed any intervention by FIFA.
hall of SHAME
OK this is d joker to lodge 2 lodge your complaints 2 Ms. Jennifer Lander 624-3178 ext 3083. Dey takin a joke 2 far now
Shame.
This is almost as bad as Riquelme being nominated for World Footballer of the Year... ;D
It ACCEPTSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!
Camps: Soca Warriors must make changes
By WALTER ALIBEY Thursday, November 27 2008
click on pic to zoom inOliver Camps, TT Football Federation president...PRESIDENT of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Oliver Camps is confident that Trinidad and Tobagos Soca Warriors can qualify from the six-nation CONCACAF Final for the FIFA World Cup in 2010.
The draw for the regional finals was made in South Africa on Saturday night and Trinidad and Tobago will battle for one of the three and a half spots.
Apart from the twin-island republic, others in the fray are Mexico, Costa Rica and the United States, who have been regular qualifiers from the region.
The other nations are El Salvador and Honduras which topped their groups ahead of the final round last week; and 1998 World Cup qualifiers Jamaica. Not
The Soca Warriors will open their campaign February 11 against the Salvadoreans away, before the return leg on August 12 at a venue to be decided (either the Queens Park Oval in Port-of-Spain or the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo).
Yesterday Camps, who is one of the longest serving members in the football federation expressed the view that though he would have preferred an easier group, he admitted that at this stage there is no easier group.
His only hope is for coach Francisco Maturana to select a larger pool of players so that he can make quick and numerous changes when necessary.
I expect the coach to make lots of changes or have players at his disposal when the need arises, Camps said.
At this stage we have got to win every match. We cannot afford to look for wins for our home games and draws or victories for our away matches. Ideally, it is the perfect plan but we have got to go out there and look for victories in all our matches, the local football official said.
Trinidad and Tobago whipped Cuba 3-0 in their last group semi-final encounter at the Hasely Crawford Stadium to advance to the final round next year.
The result followed a historic 1-0 2-1 win over the USA and an equally impressive first-leg win over the Cubans in Havana.
All I know is that the Trinidad and Tobago team will qualify out of the group for the World Cup in 2010. We have a good bunch of players who have shown their ability, just as we did back in 2006, Camps said.
From the group, the top three teams will qualify for the South Africa World Cup with the fourth place team moving on to a play-off with the team that finishes fifth in the South American group of qualifiers.
The result followed a historic 1-0 win over the USA...
ITTTTTTTTTT SSSPPEEEAAAKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSent
somebody buy this man a plaque nah...mama.. scotch and fackin coconut water
didnt know jamaica was in the hex???de man wake up and thought it was 1997 all over again or what?
didnt know jamaica was in the hex???de man wake up and thought it was 1997 all over again or what?
TTFF long serving President Oliver Camps will take charge of the Brazilian Football Federation with immediate effect.:devil: :devil: :rotfl: :rotfl:
This is his reward for the stellar work done with the TTFF, and the CBF states this is the man they need to put the Selecao back on track.
Camps was voted in at a secret meeting in "Mayaro Trinidad "
350,000 ecstatic Brasilero took to the streets of Rio De Janeiro outside the CBF offices shouting " "Cacaholeinho"
Said Ramos De Souza De Arazzis of the CBF.." We were keeping tabs on Professor Camps for years, and this is the tonic we need for the way forward"
A delighted but calm and Scotch and Coconut drinking Camps responded " "
watch meh...can we do the same and start a petition to tell this man politely "Thanks for your time"...lets get serious now""..
is it possible to find a new "yes man"?... somebody else to see what Zrich looks like ???
or heself cant say.." " ???
we taking dis shit for so many years.....we have no shame yes....
and doh come with "that eh go change nothing da da da "..and de once jack still dey blah blah blah
Jack need ah " No Man" or a "lets discuss This man"...
allyuh does talk dat...but i actually sat in a round table meeting with 5 senior TTFF officials... and if allyuh think allyuh know what "YES MAN " is....see it with yuh own eyes...
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Big Mag at his best
TTFF long serving President Oliver Camps will take charge of the Brazilian Football Federation with immediate effect.
This is his reward for the stellar work done with the TTFF, and the CBF states this is the man they need to put the Selecao back on track.
Camps was voted in at a secret meeting in "Mayaro Trinidad "
350,000 ecstatic Brasilero took to the streets of Rio De Janeiro outside the CBF offices shouting " "Cacaholeinho"
Said Ramos De Souza De Arazzis of the CBF.." We were keeping tabs on Professor Camps for years, and this is the tonic we need for the way forward"
A delighted but calm and Scotch and Coconut drinking Camps responded " "
watch meh...can we do the same and start a petition to tell this man politely "Thanks for your time"...lets get serious now""..
is it possible to find a new "yes man"?... somebody else to see what Zrich looks like ???
or heself cant say.." " ???
we taking dis shit for so many years.....we have no shame yes....
and doh come with "that eh go change nothing da da da "..and de once jack still dey blah blah blah
Jack need ah " No Man" or a "lets discuss This man"...
allyuh does talk dat...but i actually sat in a round table meeting with 5 senior TTFF officials... and if allyuh think allyuh know what "YES MAN " is....see it with yuh own eyes...
Cacaholeinho...that should be Camps new name for real
I cyar wait for part 2 .... "Camps tek ova the JFF"
when dey use the word challenge and yuh see the names propping up,yuh have to laugh.
The contenders mentioned for the throne reminds me of the saying- The more things change the more they remain the same. There is also another saying- Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Well the million dollar question is- Who does Jack want? What jack wants Jack gets. Pray tell me which of the abovementioned pretenders can tell Jack- Thank you but no thank you especialy when they get FIFA trips abroad .
I say let Anil run for the post. If Jack can be a fifa man and MP, then Spalk could be MP and TTFF pres.
anybody who does carry personal grudges against players don't deserve to be president , esp Anil and what he say about the players
I say let Anil run for the post. If Jack can be a fifa man and MP, then Spalk could be MP and TTFF pres.
anybody who does carry personal grudges against players don't deserve to be president , esp Anil and what he say about the players
Dat is d esteem Min of Sport yuh talkin bout.
I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.
Who put forward all those names in the article?Ron Laforest,Brian Williams etc etc what say/weight does these guys carry in the TTFF,if they could recommend some names what happen to us,we have nothing to loose,just throw some names out there and see what happens,who is the people you talking about,i thought the people was us(the worriors),it's our election we can get all the information if we want too.I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.
Coop's dais the problem right dey.....we cyar just walk een the people election and vote...if that could happen I would be at the venue before it opened.....
Who put forward all those names in the article?Ron Laforest,Brian Williams etc etc what say/weight does these guys carry in the TTFF,if they could recommend some names what happen to us,we have nothing to loose,just throw some names out there and see what happens,who is the people you talking about,i thought the people was us(the worriors),it's our election we can get all the information if we want too.I thought by now this forum would have had someone ready to take the job,is years now we calling for this,i will recommend some names if you all will vote for them,Kelvin Jack,Sancho or Shaka,i think these guys are young,in sync with the modern game and what it calls for,knows the ins and outs of T&T Football (history),Latas and Yorke already have their work cut out.The time has come and these guys have to go weather they want it or not,the youths have to be ready to replace them.
Coop's dais the problem right dey.....we cyar just walk een the people election and vote...if that could happen I would be at the venue before it opened.....
Keith Look Loy Raymond Tim Kee and Rudolph Thomas WILL THESE GUYS KEEP WARNER AS SPECIAL ADVISOR
Keith Look Loy Raymond Tim Kee and Rudolph Thomas WILL THESE GUYS KEEP WARNER AS SPECIAL ADVISOR
Trini_2014,
Why you so smart?
coops /i agree with you 100% !!!! same way alibey could plant brathwaite name in the press, flex and tallman could easily do interviews with the whole national team, past and present and have some names out there. shaka, sancho, skeene, nakhid...i find allyuh throw some real good names in that hat. the only way to have any hope of change is to seize the chance to bring these names up in the media: including talkshows etc. what yuh say yourstruly? this is a big scoop, interview some players.
Did you know about Obama before 2007?coops /i agree with you 100% !!!! same way alibey could plant brathwaite name in the press, flex and tallman could easily do interviews with the whole national team, past and present and have some names out there. shaka, sancho, skeene, nakhid...i find allyuh throw some real good names in that hat. the only way to have any hope of change is to seize the chance to bring these names up in the media: including talkshows etc. what yuh say yourstruly? this is a big scoop, interview some players.
Right Kounty I glad you agree with Coop's....now let's hear HOW the names that are submitted will be voted for by the people WHO CAN VOTE??....
Did you know about Obama before 2007?
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.Did you know about Obama before 2007?
No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
TTFA...getting rid of one pot hound.. its clear they already have another pot hound ready...
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.Did you know about Obama before 2007?
No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.
If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.Did you know about Obama before 2007?
No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.
Chups....all this airy fairy talk eh getting we nowhere closer to solving the problem. Come back when yuh have a concrete plan and we goh take it from there....
I believe Richard Braithwaite will be an excellent choice. He played a major role behind the scene in the early period of the campaign to Germany. He, however, got frustrated along the way and decided to return to the private sector. He is a sound person.
Braithwaite, Look Loy not running for top football job.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).
Attempts to reach Look Loy and Thomas proved futile but Tim Kee revealed he has never been asked to contest the presidency. That is news to me. I have not been approached by anyone and I do not know anything about that, he said.
Tell them Brownsugar,tell them,it have more hound on this forum than the TTFF,is we have the TTFF the way they are because all we do is talk.If you just dismiss yourself as an option before you start then you never have a chance.Did you know about Obama before 2007?
No I did not....how does this topic solve the problem of getting the people who have the power to vote in a new administration at the TTFF to do so??.... :waiting: :waiting:
For the first time of my lifetime, as far as I can remember, we have a real opportunity for change. We have to find a way.
Chups....all this airy fairy talk eh getting we nowhere closer to solving the problem. Come back when yuh have a concrete plan and we goh take it from there....
Tell them Brownsugar,tell them,it have more hound on this forum than the TTFF,is we have the TTFF the way they are because all we do is talk.
Braithwaite, Look Loy not running for top football job.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).
Attempts to reach Look Loy and Thomas proved futile but Tim Kee revealed he has never been asked to contest the presidency. That is news to me. I have not been approached by anyone and I do not know anything about that, he said.
:devil: :devil: :devil: Oh yes !!!
Brownsugar,
People do change their minds.
*facepalm*
Camps wants to stay as T&TFF holds elections.
By: Andre E Baptiste (Guardian).
The 2010 Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) Elections will be held today at the Centre of Excellence, Macoya, from 5 pm according to the incumbent president, Oliver Camps.
Camps speaking on Isports Saturday on i95.5fm confirmed todays elections, with the annual general meeting and the voting for posts. Camps said all positions are up for contention.
Camps also confirmed he was seeking re-election. I love the sport and I believe that I can still contribute in many ways given my knowledge and experience...but this all is dependent if I am nominated on the day so if they nominate me, I will contest for president, he revealed.
On the fact that he may face a challenge for the first time, Camps was cautious. I expect to be challenged...but let us wait and see what happens on the day, because a lot can happen between now and then.
Camps said all financial members were notified and invited to the meeting but he could not say if special advisor Jack Warner would be present.
I am not certain if he will be there. I do not know...but he does not vote, noted Camps. Camps was also very sceptical of the presence of the media.
We do not normally invite the media, so I am not certain if any notice was given to the media. I do not have the agenda.
Any where else in the world, this election would be a serious occasion. Anyone interested in the future of T&T football, be it at local level or world cup qualification, would be demanding answers before anyone is elected or re elected. Specifically, what will happen if, on friday, the judge supports the players claim for an interim payment of $44 million?
How will this be paid?
In the 4 years since the case began, what contingency plans have been put in place?
What will happen if TTFF become bankrupt?
Where are the audited accounts for 2005-2010?
How much money has been spent defending this case?
Why did no witnesses attend the arbitration and why was no evidence submitted?
Will FIFA suspend T&T if this case is lost and/or TTFF are bankrupt?
What are the implications for the future of T&T football if members associated with TTFF and acting on its behalf have broken the law?
You know, just simple little questions like these. New officers should not be elected until questions like these are answered. How can you elect people to be the guardians and rule makers of national football if they are imcompetent?
This is not an election, its the usual shoe-in of old mates in an exclusive club.
This is not an election,
@ Socapro...the elections were always carded for this year. Is just the date was kept a big secret, as usual.This is not an election,
.....this is madness!!
But say wha,
We going Brazil!!!!
I surprise he know there is an election. He not sure who will be there, the agenda, who invited etc. Lol these guys jokey yes!
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!
Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!
It had man on here talking all this revolution talk, and boom, nutten! this board is just ah cyber lime in trute yes, no commitment, no influence, as ah matter of fact the whole of T&T is full of half steppers. it's ah wonder how these ppl manage to qualify for a world cup.Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!
what did I tell you on another thread JC?
It had man on here talking all this revolution talk, and boom, nutten! this board is just ah cyber lime in trute yes, no commitment, no influence, as ah matter of fact the whole of T&T is full of half steppers. it's ah wonder how these ppl manage to qualify for a world cup.Just saw on CTNT that camps just won the ting again, so much for the supposed revolution!
what did I tell you on another thread JC?
this was one of the reasons i doh ramp with westindians especially trini, BC they too fackin jokey. IMO jack and camps could be moved, ppl just have tuh want it real bad!
T&TFF holds elections
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.
STEUPS!
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.
STEUPS!
this post says it all
Are we really this powerless to bring about a postive change?! ??? :-\ :-[ :'(
Oliver Camps returns as TTFF President.
By: Hema Ramkisson (TTFF Media).
"While many will agree that the 2006 qualification of our men's team for the World Cup would be a major highlight, I think our country's staging of two youth World Cups in 2001 and 2010 has to be among the highlights of my tenure as President of the TTFF." The President added.
Oliver Camps returns as TTFF President.
By: Hema Ramkisson (TTFF Media).
Oliver Camps was returned unopposed to the position of President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation at the Federations Annual General Meeting at the Centre of Excellence yesterday afternoon.
Camps, who has served in the position since 1992, said he was humbled by the Executives decision to return him to the helm.
"I'm honoured and extremely humbled to be given yet another term to serve in the position as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.
I will continue to serve the sport and its stakeholders to the best of my ability. It has been a long and exciting journey and together I am confident we can overcome any obstacle to ensure that football is elevated to the next level.
The veteran football administrator revealed that he will be taking on a number of new projects during his term including working with the various stakeholders to improve the framework governing club football.
"One of my objectives will be to have a proper restructuring of club football in the country with specific emphasis for the lower league clubs in the various regional associations.
I will be seeking the assistance of the Sports Ministry to ensure there is a proper modern day structure for League football in our country. Camps stated.
"While many will agree that the 2006 qualification of our men's team for the World Cup would be a major highlight, I think our country's staging of two youth World Cups in 2001 and 2010 has to be among the highlights of my tenure as President of the TTFF." The President added.
At the opening of a CONCACAF Media Relations Workshop today, the President of the Caribbean Football Union Jack Warner, congratulated Camps on his return to Office.
Oliver Camps has been a long-serving member of the football family. He continues to work tirelessly with all stakeholders to ensure that the sport advances to the next level. I wish him all the best and I am confident we will continue to see positive developments.
The Minister of Sport, the Hon. Anil Roberts, who was also at the opening, congratulated Mr. Camps saying he expected another exceptional four years in football.
Also offering congratulations was President of the TT Pro League Mr. Dexter Skeene. On behalf of the TT Pro League I would like to congratulate Mr. Camps on his re-election. We will continue to work with the Football Federation to improve the sport. The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.
Oliver Camps, a past president of the Harvard Sports Club, is also a past manager of the T&T Men's Senior team, holding that position in 1973 when T&T narrowly missed out on qualifying for the 1974 World Cup and again in 1989 when the National Team missed out on qualifying for Italy 1990 by a single point.
Also elected at the AGM were Rudolph Thomas, Lennox Watson and Krishendath Kuarsingh as the Federations three Vice Presidents.
The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.
Can someone explain to me the significance of this statement? Since the Pro League was formed, no one else has been leader! It leads you to believe that there were problems before Camps came into office, but really, the only problems between ProLeague and TTFF could only have occured while Camps was in charge!
Also, I notice big talk about stakeholders in football. I guess that players and supporters don't count as stakeholders?
The relationship between the Pro League and Federation has improved greatly under the leadership of Mr. Camps.TTFF news sounding and more and more like them communist party press release.
Can someone explain to me the significance of this statement? Since the Pro League was formed, no one else has been leader! It leads you to believe that there were problems before Camps came into office, but really, the only problems between ProLeague and TTFF could only have occured while Camps was in charge!
Also, I notice big talk about stakeholders in football. I guess that players and supporters don't count as stakeholders?
Since 1992 he dey and still talking bout I plan to do this and I plan to do that.....big wet f$%#$ng Steups!!!
But say wha, we going Brazil!!
IT RETURNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I have not heard this since primary school.
"Granted we may have been a little tardy in supplying them with the (necessary) information...we have to buck up ourselves and see things done in a timely basis, and we have to treat with it in a timely basis. We all have a piece of blame to take. "
Is long timI have not heard this since primary school.
"Granted we may have been a little tardy in supplying them with the (necessary) information...we have to buck up ourselves and see things done in a timely basis, and we have to treat with it in a timely basis. We all have a piece of blame to take. "
I wish these guys no evil but it starting to look like they might literally have to die for change to occur.
The lack of responses to this thread and the ^^^above two posts aptly sums up the collective feelings towards Camps, lol :beermug:Ditto!!
When I saw this headline I thought it read ...Camps delivers a dress at start of ...
I just never associated Camps with any kind of statement .... :devil:
When I saw this headline I thought it read ...Camps delivers a dress at start of ...
I just never associated Camps with any kind of statement .... :devil:
I thoughtheIT was just disclosing to everyone whereheIT livin'....
Socapro you go head trying to bring down Camps ,the last person we try and bring to justice was Jack ...and he might be the next Prime Minister Shocked .With our luck Camps will be the next TnT President .
and check de rammfle up old paper he reading from...mama
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?
Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...I cant wait for book 3 !
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?
Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...
I cant wait for book 3 !
I may be reading this wrong, correct me if I am , but it looks like Jack has hung Camps out to dry ...in de hottest sun. " he should pay de players " ...Camps has said ...no money !! so he eh know nothing bout de hundreds of millions that passed through an organisation that he is the President of ?
My info is that in scamping out of TTFA committments the TTFF was formed ...and Camps is the owner ! So who has to pay if there is a lien on the organisation ?
Talk is that they will try to kill off the TTFF and re-emerge with another pseudonym to escape the payment ... as in the past ...I cant wait for book 3 !
When will this loop hole be plugged?
F#CK CAMPS
Too many words all at once. The football apocalypse is upon us.
IT SAYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
What is a "beamer"? The only beamer I know is a BMW!!!
What is a "beamer"? The only beamer I know is a BMW!!!
I think he's referring to an overhead projector... used, I suppose, to "beam" images onto a wall or screen.
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
i think they will sanction individuals not associations, this is a play to rid the caribbean of Warner's influence, which is admittedly at play with those who refuse to give evidence
Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts. Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence. As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May. He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.
He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........
As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....
Sugar,it's not a matter of i eager to defend anybody or anyone,i try to follow what's going on in the best way i can with an open mind,if i'm wrong or don't understand i usually keep quiet and wait on guys like Bakes to explain and clear up things.I'm sorry if i got it wrong,i guess Camps is lying it's up to FIFA to do what ever they have to do.Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts. Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence. As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May. He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.
He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........
As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....
Yo, Miss Sugar, sorry to contradict you, but the report said:
But speaking to Newsday yesterday, Camps stated emphatically that he did not need any last chance to tell the truth since he did so in Miami about a month ago.
I already went to Miami and gave my evidence almost a month ago. I dont have to (send any more reports), he said.
Sugar,it's not a matter of i eager to defend anybody or anyone,i try to follow what's going on in the best way i can with an open mind,if i'm wrong or don't understand i usually keep quiet and wait on guys like Bakes to explain and clear up things.I'm sorry if i got it wrong,i guess Camps is lying it's up to FIFA to do what ever they have to do.Didn't he comply with the request?didn't he go to Miami when he was asked too?wasn't he investigated already?what they are asking for is those who never showed or responded in any way to FIFA request.this could be a blessing in disguise. Let Camps continue to maintain they have clean hands and Uncle Sepp ban them for life, paving the way for new admins in TT football.What blessing in disguise you talking about,if T&T Football get ban what a new admin going to do?run Minor leagues?we talking about ban for life,this is serious business.
All the more reason for Mr. Camps to comply with the request.
Coop's sometimes in your perceived eagerness to defend the TTFF/Jack and his croonies, you does surprise mih with your lack of facts. Camps did not go to Miami to give any evidence. As far as I know, he has denied any knowledge of anything happening at the Hyatt in May. He said so when this mess first started and he is saying so again.
He like many other of Jack's lackeys when asked to give evidence were defiant and gave nothing even if they knew what happened e.g. Jamaica........
As for football being serious business, I waiting decades for Camps and the rest of scum to take we football seriously.....
Yo, Miss Sugar, sorry to contradict you, but the report said:
But speaking to Newsday yesterday, Camps stated emphatically that he did not need any last chance to tell the truth since he did so in Miami about a month ago.
I already went to Miami and gave my evidence almost a month ago. I dont have to (send any more reports), he said.
How do you eliminate their positions from the TTFF...? I'm willing to step up if we could do this...
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills. Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.
If you want change, you first need pressure.
Remember, these people have been abusing football for over 20 years. Why didn't previous players publically criticise them constantly? And why don't older, wiser former players offer the soloutions, after all, they've had 20 years to think of something positive?
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills. Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!
That is rel mad talk. If you understand the make up of the TTFF you would understand what happening now, why no one is rushing forward and why the private sector still not willing to invest in football in T&T. Controversial does only talk, he eh have ah clue about nutten, ah setta ah question to rile up people and then at the end he cyah say what color the blue sky is. I rather no man than ah greedy man.
This is the problem that plaguing many african nation, the blackman who use the blackman to get into a power position and then scuff at the audacity of the blackman to ask for a "handout". JW has been the biggest enemy of the youths in T&T, the biggest. He ride them yutemen to glory and when they ask for a drink of water he spat in their collective mouths. He will forever love Yorke and Latapy as a night out will satisfy these guys, but will be damned to appreciate the likes of Sancho, Nakhid and Hislop. See the worst thing for people like JW is an educated blackman, that's a great threat to them.
People like you who will support a person like JW in such a position is why we will always struggle and never move on, because as you stated, you rather a greedy man than no man. You not worried about the next man (footballer), just this man (yourself). Look at Joe Public football club. What have they done for players in assisting them in moving on to the next level? Nothing. A set of 1 year contract and high price tags. How is that helping a young player make a breakthrough? But again, the blackman should settle for the crumbs that JW and company graciously feed to them.
Like Fazeer Mohammed ask "How much do you value the possibility of emotional satisfaction?"
Any way you look at it, football is a business. You look at your future expenditure and check your funds. If there is a shortfall, you look to generate income.Welcome to T&T the land of limers and slackers. as for shame and embarrassment, that word don't exist in trinidad, money and corruption takes precedence. like i said before, these ole men eh have no kinda shame etall so it's useless using those words to describe them.
Look what Camps said: "Camp said that an executive committee meeting is planned for next week, and there, he hopes a solution to the situation can be found."
Is this man for real? First they arrange a match and announce it without checking if they can afford to go. Then, once they realise they have no money and can't beg it off anyone, they spring into action....and organise an emergency meeting a week later. Are they f**king mad?
This meeting should have taken place immediately they realised there was a problem. The meeting should have run through the night until a soloution was found. Have they no shame? Cancelling an International match is a seriously embarrassing thing.
And why didn't they notice they were broke months ago? Do they just go to an ATM and withdraw cash without checking their balance? Do they have a tin they collect 25c coins in and thought there was enough?
Everybody on this site can tell us immediately roughly how much cash they have left until payday. Why have they no idea?
We all know they don't keep good accounts, but surely they must know what they have. Are they receiving salaries still? If so, they should be using that money. But probably they have $1 million sitting in account to ensure they still get paid.
An organisation such as TTFF should have networked enough to have options. A phone call here, an email there. This type of thing should have been sent to every large business!
"Dear Sir, as you are aware we have our first International match this year vs Haiti. It is our world reknowned coach, Otto Pfister's first and last opportunity before the 2014 world cup qualifiers to see his best team in action. Unfortunately, due to their much publiscised budget cuts, the promised funding from SPORTT has been withdrawn. As you will be aware, Mr Jack Warner has retired from football and is no longer able to help us, as he did in the past.
In this new era of T&T football, and following on from the superb performance by our Olympic team, we would appeal to your national pride to assist our national football team on the road to Brazil.
We would appreciate the opportunity to present to you, at your earliest convenience, a powerpoint presentation incorporating marketing opportunities available to your business, include sponsorship of travel uniforms carrying your branding, and marketing and promotional opportunities for home matches, which will be televised.
We know the whole country is behind our quest to reach Brazil, and, as such, this can only be a positive advantage to your brand.
My secretary will be contacting you shortly to confirm a convenient date for us to meet.
Yours sincerely
Coliver Amps
P.S. Any freebies would be appreciated by myself and Mr Rodent"
I can't tell you how sick and disgusted I am that this is allowed to continue. They are jokers, but worse, they make us and the govt look like jokers too.
We are proud to tell the world that T&T is an emerging nation, but emerging from what? The Dark Ages? I didn't think these mean could heap more embarrassment on this nation, but each time they surpass themselves. I genuinely feel sorry for the children and grandchildren of these men, as they will forever have the shame of being associated with them even when they are dead.
Without Jack Warner T&T football is dead and no one is stepping in to replace anyone in the federation willingly, every man Jack hiding now.Do yuh self ah favor nah, go jump off ah fackin bridge. BTW, is jack who have us here in the first place, but my guess iz, you're not aware of that right?
Why are they scared of Jack ?
Do the public expect Jack to come and bail them out now ?
Our account shows no money anyway.
Jack will raise again !!!!!
Do yuh self ah favor nah, go jump off ah fackin bridge. BTW, is jack who have us here in the first place, but my guess iz, you're not aware of that right?
let me ask you a serious question, that's if you could be serious for one nano second. who are you, and why are you so adamant to exonerate jack warner's image on this site, what's in it for you?Do yuh self ah favor nah, go jump off ah fackin bridge. BTW, is jack who have us here in the first place, but my guess iz, you're not aware of that right?
Lard fadda, your language it explicit.
So Jack have you folk here and who doing anything about it ?
Like I said, the T&T public is scared of Jack.
The players only want their money.
Anil Roberts, the PM and the AG is on Jack side.
Jack have a great work in the Ministry.
So who stopping Jack.
When last you visit Trinidad, no one cares about T&T football about making any changes or even making a challenge.
Jack will raise again !!!!!
Jack will raise again !!!!!
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills. Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!
That is rel mad talk. If you understand the make up of the TTFF you would understand what happening now, why no one is rushing forward and why the private sector still not willing to invest in football in T&T. Controversial does only talk, he eh have ah clue about nutten, ah setta ah question to rile up people and then at the end he cyah say what color the blue sky is. I rather no man than ah greedy man.
This is the problem that plaguing many african nation, the blackman who use the blackman to get into a power position and then scuff at the audacity of the blackman to ask for a "handout". JW has been the biggest enemy of the youths in T&T, the biggest. He ride them yutemen to glory and when they ask for a drink of water he spat in their collective mouths. He will forever love Yorke and Latapy as a night out will satisfy these guys, but will be damned to appreciate the likes of Sancho, Nakhid and Hislop. See the worst thing for people like JW is an educated blackman, that's a great threat to them.
People like you who will support a person like JW in such a position is why we will always struggle and never move on, because as you stated, you rather a greedy man than no man. You not worried about the next man (footballer), just this man (yourself). Look at Joe Public football club. What have they done for players in assisting them in moving on to the next level? Nothing. A set of 1 year contract and high price tags. How is that helping a young player make a breakthrough? But again, the blackman should settle for the crumbs that JW and company graciously feed to them.
Like Fazeer Mohammed ask "How much do you value the possibility of emotional satisfaction?"
While I can understand your position, I believe it is one that displays abrupt naivety. My contention had nothing to do with "emotional satisfaction" but rather a practical overview of a shitty situation that has just become shittier. Unlike you, I know that the shit does not only land on one man's house top. Say what yuh want about Controversial, on this particular topic he is dead on!
This might have been a Jack Warner aggravated situation but in my opinion, he could have been stopped at any time. If Jack is de drug dealer then our government (past and present) are the school-master that has allowed him access to the pupils in the school. I am naive, when you show a lack of understanding in how FIFA operate. The government cannot demand or require anything of JW or the TTFF.
The private sector has always had the ability to step in and demand a degree of transparency but it takes real currency to make those demands and since no one really wanted to step in and challenge; it has always been and remains a talking spree because at the end of the day.. Again, the private sector cannot (they can try) demand anything. They can do what they normally do and get onboard when it profit them.
this whole football thing is just instruments of play for big children. At least where big money is concerned. Football in TnT has never been considered as serious man's work like building oil refineries. Remember less than 7% of the population is employed by these same refineries which we seem to divest all our attention and resources towards. Is this too not rape and pillage?
Yes, less than 7% is employed, but through investements in this field the government gain the ability to generate revenues to keep the country going at a decent level. Maybe, they can employ more locals, but the benefits of the oil industry even in the worst case assist more T&T nationals than JW and the TTFF ever did with the footballers under their charge. Chalk and Cheese
So up stepped a scoundrel who had de decency to take a chance and invest in something which we didn't consider to be pliable and he became really good at it. Why not, it was an open market and all de other big boys enjoy a good game in the oval from time to time but it was never worth putting up real dollars behind. So we let loose de dragon and now want to squeal because he is sticking his hand into the cookie jar.
I'm not to sure that decency is the correct word to use here. Yes, JW showed brilliant vision to step in and secure this venture. However, that does not entitle him to do as he will. After all, he is still representing T&T, along with the footballers he abuses. To describe it as sticking his hand into the cookie jar is playing this off as a trivial matter which it's not. JW and his family became multi-millionaires (billionaires maybe) through the sweat and toils of the youths in Trinidad and Tobago. You cannot equate that or rationalize that. JW gains were much more than the athletes have ever gotten in return, much, much, much, much more. Again who is being naive.
i'll go no further because it would seem that I support the course of action however I have been observant enough to realize that if it had not been for the scoundrel, with the lackluster effort we put fort toward everything except the Black Gold in the ground, We may have never even got off the ground (back then).
That's a very uninformed, unfortunate and unfactual, statement. If you think Trinbagonians are lazy then that's your thought, but you cannot castigate a nation because you think so. How do you explain, Penny Commissiong, Hasely Crawford, Ato Boldon, Briam Lara, George Bovell, Peter Minshall, etc? Trinbagonians are a very innovative and creative people who if they did not have the black gold would have generated some other avenue to live.
Then and now are different times and as such the pendulum has swung full circle and every dog has his day. Is there another dog to step in, maybe he or she don't even have to be doggish but knowing the world of business as it is, knowing that the business of football is no place for bleeding hearts I sincerely doubt that the next would be any better if there was a next in the first place. Sitting back and saying "It good fuh yuh" will not work this time.
Even if someone wants to take charge, why should they step in now? I would not. As a business person or someone looking to invest in our football I would not step in at this juncture. There are to many loose end to tie up (JW role, the court case, newlyappointed coach, image on world stage fresh on others mind, etc). Let Camps and they sort out as much as possible. They will eventually elimate themselves. Them someone can step in and take charge.
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills. Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!
I hear Sancho & Fenwick are on TV tomorrow morning to discuss the Road To Brazil. Expect some harsh criticism of TTFF! Think its on channel 3?That is the problem,that is what you expecting from them?i thought you would be expecting to hear some solutions,you eh realize that eh getting us any where,don't matter how Fenwick and Sancho feels don't matter how well their teams do,they have to realize they can only do well because of all the shyt going on around them,if they mean well for T&T Football and not themselves they better start being a little more supportive,we want to know what they can do,now is the time.
If you want change, you first need pressure.
Remember, these people have been abusing football for over 20 years. Why didn't previous players publically criticise them constantly? And why don't older, wiser former players offer the soloutions, after all, they've had 20 years to think of something positive?
Why should the older players offer solutions, when they can criticize and laugh at others actually attempting to do something for the PLAYERS of T&T? Why would the older players offer solutions for the younger players to achieve more success than they ever did causing many people to forget the older players? Why would the older players assist in breeding new heroes?
Come on man!! What is the problem here? If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money? A good accountant with will suffice. Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?
This situation is an opportunity for leadership. If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return. Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return. No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.
Come on man!! What is the problem here? If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money? A good accountant with will suffice. Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?
This situation is an opportunity for leadership. If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return. Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return. No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.
So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations
Come on man!! What is the problem here? If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money? A good accountant with will suffice. Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?
This situation is an opportunity for leadership. If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return. Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return. No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.
So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations
In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds. What? Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T? It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything." If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering. If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office. Doing nothing is not acceptable.
For those who thought that this was going to be some period of jubilee better think again. The TnT government has been spoiled and the spoiler is no longer there to front de money. All de tief talk that jumpin out.. tell me who will fund the program? When you allow someone to pay all the bills upfront then they have the ability to determine how much dey take on de back end. Its been our gripe with Warner all along but now it may be time to explore a new gripe which is like Controversial say.. De private sector and de government don't like to spend money upfront for nothing that dont have to do with oil exploration and Carnival. Someone should be licking their lips at the opportunity Jack left behind. An opening to be the new face of TnT football. But who has come forward? Yuh know how much money TnT has? We all talk bout how much Jack don't like TnT football. Is there someone out there who likes it more? No one has de ballz to step forward. Jack's fall from grace was a buying signal but everybody doing what they do best; sit and wait to see who else go deal with it. Whilst sipping ice-cafe from up on de Western hills. Backed into a corner, I rather a greedy man than no man at all. (P.S.) ah dont want to hear bout well de TTFF incompetent. If yuh driving de cash yuh have de say. Didn't Jack? Clean house if yuh want but put up de cash and lets get to work. Bunch of talkers. dat is why Jack has always been able to take advantage because at de end of de day. Jack has Ballz!
I guess if you had the money then you would have the balls (in this instance another word for the expression brave stupidity) to give the unaccountable Camps & the TTFF all the funding they need ent?!
And tell me how does that help our football?
Look how much money they got during the 2006 World Cup campaign and up to now they still can't show the court any accounts.
Some ah allyuh men does make me realise that common sense is not as common as most of us would like to think!!
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Come on man!! What is the problem here? If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money? A good accountant with will suffice. Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?
This situation is an opportunity for leadership. If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return. Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return. No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.
So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations
In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds. What? Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T? It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything." If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering. If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office. Doing nothing is not acceptable.
If that is the case then you should be calling for Camps head as a top priority before anything else don't you think?!!
8)
Come on man!! What is the problem here? If the Gov't don't trust the TTFF's ability to manage money can't they appoint someone with oversight of the money? A good accountant with will suffice. Will Fifa consider this Gov't interference if an office is created to laz between to two administrations?
This situation is an opportunity for leadership. If there's accountability the private sector would respond and with minimal success the waggonist will return. Bankroll the 1st rounds, give the team the best chance, let them hit them teams for 3 and 4 nil. and the private sector will return. No one is passing up a chance to make a dollar.
So tax payers must pay money to appoint a man to make sure the man they paying money don't thief the money? Where was the oversight in the first place? Camps is a shitong and always will be. Giving him money will not change his performance one iota. And the gov't should not be in the business of knowingly bankrolling corrupt organizations
In the recent past there has been enough grounds for the Gov't to do due diligence concerning the TTFF, more than enough grounds. What? Is this the 1st time tax payers paying for sports in T&T? It's not enough to throw up your hands and say "TTFF corrupt, we can't do anything." If they are asking the Gov't for money then the Gov't have a right to be involved, more so considering. If they concern about tax payers money that's all the more reason to create a special office. Doing nothing is not acceptable.
If that is the case then you should be calling for Camps head as a top priority before anything else don't you think?!!
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I agree but we haven't we done that dance before? Are u saying there is absolutely nothing that can be done to ensure our campaign is saved short of giving the TTFF money and kissing it goodbye? I would hope not.
For all you know pro this could be Camps best year, considering. :)
On CNC3 this morning Look Loy real criticise the Govt for going back on their promise to finance the road to Brazil. Sancho said he supports the govt position. Why should taxpayers continue to throw money into a black hole. Once there is accountability, planning and budgeting, then the govt could help
Do we know how much debt TTFF/TTFA has? If a group wanted to support the Assoc/Fed., would they assume debts and or commitments owed by the this current admin.? Just asking?????
On CNC3 this morning Look Loy real criticise the Govt for going back on their promise to finance the road to Brazil. Sancho said he supports the govt position. Why should taxpayers continue to throw money into a black hole. Once there is accountability, planning and budgeting, then the govt could help
Where the 2006 Qualification money went?In jack's coffers. :thinking:
Where the FIFA U17 Girls money went?
Where the money from the England game, including TV money?
England play for free to get votes. that much we know
Who paying the Woman coach big salary and house?
Who paying the Men coach big salary and house?
Somebody please ask Camps, Look loy, Groden or all three these questions.
Camps: TTFF not dependent on Warner.
By Ian Prescott (Express).
Oliver Camps, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), denies that the departure from football of Minister of Works Jack Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, has left his organisation totally defenceless.
However, Camps admits that local football has suffered since the loss of their special adviser and chief financier, who resigned from football's world governing body amidst a bribery scandal involving fellow FIFA executive member Mohamed bib Hammam.
"No. It's not true to say that we were totally dependent on Jack," a defiant Camps said yesterday. "But, Mr Warner did help us out greatly from time to time."
Camps was also asked why after many years of existence the TTFF does not have a home.
"Football is just like any of the other sports. Just like many of them we don't have a permanent home for football, and just like many other sports we have to book the stadium and such venues for matches.
"All the sporting organisations are suffering, not just football," Camps insisted. "We are just like any of the other sporting bodies who are now struggling to fund their programmes."
Camps said the TTFF has no choice but to try and raise funds. But, he said, it's not at easy as many think.
The challenge is to get corporate Trinidad and Tobago involved with the national team's programme.
"You know that local football doesn't generate funds," Camps declared. "To generate spectator interest, we have to bring in top teams to generate funds.
And usually after paying for these teams and paying the players and other expenses, most times we just break even. People think we make big money, but many times we just break even."
Camps will rise again:devil:
Camps was instructed to say this.
But keep that between us.
Jack will raise again !!!!!
Camps was instructed to say this.
But keep that between us.
Jack will raise again !!!!!
We cyah even organize ah friendlly with Haiti.
The rich will get richer while the poor get poorer.
Buh say wha "We goin Brazil" (Copyright Brownsugar)
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
As much as i would love to see camps go, he's definitely not the problem, but rather the whole TTFF fraternity! the truth remains, he camps could easily be replaced by another crook, and as we all know that T&T is full of them.
i want to see ah total revamp, and if possible, either shaka, kelvin jack or brent sancho take over this federation, then and only then would i be totally please with camps departure.
I told you all already it eh have nothing in T&T Football i have not been around,Breds i leave T&T 20 plus yrs ago where Camps was?i never voted i just liked going to these meetings to know what's going on,i still have reports from way back in the 70's, i around since POSFL,where were you?it's not what i read or hear it's what i know.Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
As much as i would love to see camps go, he's definitely not the problem, but rather the whole TTFF fraternity! the truth remains, he camps could easily be replaced by another crook, and as we all know that T&T is full of them.Ah watching Sancho to see how well he running NE Stars,any time he gets an enclosed ground to call their home in Grande he is my president.You call some good guys their but they have to develop some nuts to handle T&T. :devil:
i want to see ah total revamp, and if possible, either shaka, kelvin jack or brent sancho take over this federation, then and only then would i be totally please with camps departure.
I told you all already it eh have nothing in T&T Football i have not been around,Breds i leave T&T 20 plus yrs ago where Camps was?i never voted i just liked going to these meetings to know what's going on,i still have reports from way back in the 70's, i around since POSFL,where were you?it's not what i read or hear it's what i know.Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
What kind ah poll is that,everybody here know what the results will be,is only friends and family going to vote.Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
Doh try to corner Coop's like that!! Yuh wasting yuh time!! :D
What kind ah poll is that,everybody here know what the results will be,is only friends and family going to vote.Okay guys this is a long overdue poll designed to send out a serious message of love to Camps & the TTFF!! :-*The rules here remind me of TTFF elections. :devil:
Please get voting & note you can vote separately for up to two options in the poll and you are also allowed to change your vote if you change your mind about a particular option you previously voted for as I want this poll to be as accurate and reflective of T&T footballer supporters opinions as possible!
So you've been to a TTFF election and voted for Camps?
Doh try to corner Coop's like that!! Yuh wasting yuh time!! :D
Hey fellas please keep voting!!What's the latest on this poll,is it a secret poll?come on people we need your votes.
We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love!! :-*
Would be nice to have at least 100 votes by the end of the weekend and after that I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!
When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email! ;)
Let us get serious. Do you think Camps will be influenced by what we say and what the poll reflects. Camps mantra is that I am here to serve TTFF and I will do it to the best of my ability= Let it not be said that I abandoned the ship at a critical juncture. Because of the perks of the job ,eg travelling all over the world Oliver aint giving up nothing. If you live in T&t a long time most of our leaders are immune to constructive criticism. Camps reminds me of the lady who went to a Cadet's passing out parade and the cadets were marching left right all 99 of them. Her son was marching right left and she went to the Commandant and said her son was the only one who got it right all the others were wrong.
Let us get serious. Do you think Camps will be influenced by what we say and what the poll reflects.
Camps mantra is that I am here to serve TTFF and I will do it to the best of my ability= Let it not be said that I abandoned the ship at a critical juncture. Because of the perks of the job ,eg travelling all over the world Oliver aint giving up nothing. If you live in T&t a long time most of our leaders are immune to constructive criticism. Camps reminds me of the lady who went to a Cadet's passing out parade and the cadets were marching left right all 99 of them. Her son was marching right left and she went to the Commandant and said her son was the only one who got it right all the others were wrong.
I have had a few requests to keep this poll visible so folks can keep voting so I've bumped it back to the first page of this discussion board!Be patient Soca,i feel after the WC campaigne peeps will vote,they giving Camps one more chance.
Hopefully all the regulars as well as first time visitors will participate!
Would like to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll!
Once we achieve those numbers I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!
When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email! ;)
We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love guys so please don't let them down!! :-*
I have had a few requests to keep this poll visible so folks can keep voting so I've bumped it back to the first page of this discussion board!Be patient Soca,i feel after the WC campaigne peeps will vote,they giving Camps one more chance.
Hopefully all the regulars as well as first time visitors will participate!
Would like to have at least 100 voters contributing to this poll!
Once we achieve those numbers I plan to email the link for this voting poll to Camps aol account at the TTFF office!!
When Camps hear the beep from his computer ah sure he will wake-up quick and check his email! ;)
We need to send Camps & the TTFF a serious message of love guys so please don't let them down!! :-*
:o :o
Wow!! The Newsday!! I would have never thunk it.....although if I see it in the Guardian I'll collapse fer sher.....
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!! :)
Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!
Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!! ;)
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!! :)
Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!
Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!! ;)
D back page which is d sport page headline.
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!! :)
Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!
Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!! ;)
D back page which is d sport page headline.
But that is not sports news! That is general interest news!
Anyway at least one of the papers has enough principle and balls to report this important news!
What page is that article on? I hope its on their front page!!! :)
Everyone run and purchase a copy of Newsday today!
Maybe the other papers will see their shortcomings and try to make up for it their papers tomorrow!! ;)
D back page which is d sport page headline.
But that is not sports news! That is general interest news!
Anyway at least one of the papers has enough principle and balls to report this important news!
This is the problem here. When James Saunders covered it on the news last Weds, it was halfway through the sport bulletin, after the cricket!!
I know it's not about interference but what I am saying is that now that Jack Warner is in the doghouse with Fifa, can the government now "interfere" with the TTFF and get away with it or do you think that FIFA would still take issue with it.
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF
While I have been extremely satisfied and pleased to offer myself for service to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, the current climate within FIFA has given me reason to rethink my position and thus give notice of my immediate resignation as the President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.
I have truly enjoyed working with the football fraternity and appreciated the opportunities which have been given to me through football, but when the price one has to pay includes the sullying of ones name and the denigrating of ones character without a justifiable reason, then I must confess that this is not the place that I would want to be.
It is certainly a sad day for me and this is far from what I had expected. The changing of the guards was never meant to engender the bitterness that I feel or the pain which has replaced the pleasure of service.
I will take with me though, the good memories of having led my country into the 2006 World Cup Finals in Germany. I will never forget the opportunities I have had as host of two FIFA World Cup Finals in 2001 and 2010. I will always remember that under my watch, Trinidad and Tobago qualified for four World Cup finals and if success as a leader has to be measured in football, it is against this background that I will be judged.
I served the game well, even as Manager of many national teams, so while I leave football disappointed I am also happy, because history will judge me as the most successful Football President of Trinidad and Tobago.
In no way am I disappointed that I was a part of the Caribbean Football Union meeting which met to determine the path to choose a leader for the FIFA. The current situation facing the CFU now has made it very clear to me that our choice in meeting to discuss whether President Sepp Blatter would be the preferred option was the right one.
History will not judge me for being a part of that meeting neither will it condemn me based on association. Rather history will applaud all the football leaders of the Caribbean.
In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.
I thereby submit with immediate effect my resignation as President of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.
Respectfully submitted
Yours sincerely,
TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO FOOTBALL FEDERATION
Oliver Camps
President
clown.. enjoy your twilight years
hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it
If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity
clown.. enjoy your twilight years
hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it
If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity
and what shaka will do when he realize he don't own the intl media rights for tt football and he have to beg an outsider to share part of the revenue?
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
Bloodless palace coup.
Sign me up to join the ranks once all the detritus has been cleared.
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.
this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account
clown.. enjoy your twilight years
hopefully no more puppets and an actual Football brain can come into it
If the TTFF smart they go appoint Shaka in some major capacity
and what shaka will do when he realize he don't own the intl media rights for tt football and he have to beg an outsider to share part of the revenue?
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights ::) which will make all things right with we football.
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.
this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account
with a nation like trinidad, we have no choice but to have the new fed rest with a few people, because there are too many crabs and back stabbers back home to trust
we need a few good men to run the show that have the business acumen and know football and have the connections
shaka needs to get fpatt together because he needs the collective strength of the players to combat against unscrupulous agents, owners and the ttff, if shaka can't unite our players, what makes you think he can unite our football?
he is not the man, when he can run a proper player's union, then talk to me about shaka
right now we need someone who has both the business acumen, knowledge of football, the love for our nation and connections, it is not wise to appoint the head of fpatt as the prez of the new fed
we also need an individual who can get investors and sponsors on board
trust me there is individuals but only when the time is right will they come out of the shadows
I highly doubt that shaka would be interested in leaving his nice wuk at ESPN.
Bye Bye (" It speaks :P ")
http://www.youtube.com/v/X50WyZeYcJ8
not sure why all the jubilation. whoever gets the appointment will be bashed here in the same manner, especially since we lack true leaders... who in it for the betterment of all rather than one. wait and see.The jubilation is for the off-loading of dead weight. I will repeat what I wrote when this whole thing started. THANK YOU CHUCK BLAZER!!! In one fell swoop two very wicked men have been dispatched without a peep. And also as i said earlier. If we dont qualify tough. but if we do it would be an indictment on JW and his awful administration of our football all these years. Give Look Loy the presidency. Look (pun intended) at the coach he chose.
lets see if shaka and/or lasana will step up to the plate.
I said weeks ago there is a plot by hard line TTFF elements to stage a coup. The removal (resignation) of Camps is one element of this plot. This afternoon an emergency meeting of the TTFF executive committee replaced Camps with Watson - yes, THE SAME WATSON who is leading the hijack of the EFA from the clubs. The replacement of Groden as general secretary is the other element. My advice is that this is also in the works. The hard liners are daily being more threatened by their imploding world and they are becoming increasingly desperate. More nonsense to come...
Laaawwwdd ah still cyar believe it. I need to take a moment to fully take this in........*taking moment*
Ok moment over.....now ah tempted to post something eh cuz ah know Big Mag is not able to readily available to post but I wont steal his thunder, he must have waited years for this moment so I will leave it up to him.....hurry up Big Mag ah goh dead waiting on your post..... ;D ;D
As for what happens now, I eh have the patience to read all them posts that went before especially since it involved TI. I find all yuh have real patience on this forum yes not me....
All I would say is Camps is not the ONLY person that needs to go at the TTFF, THEY ALL NEED TO GO.....
RODENT, WATSON (whom Weary and I had the displeasure to meet in the stadium the other day but dais another story), FERGUSON and which ever other faceless and nameless person who has been Jack's puppet for years. THEY ALL NEED TO THROW THEIR COLLECTIVE FRAMES!!
Now to deal with the actual press release.
Camps real good yuh know. Ah guess it woulda look bad if he didn't hail out Jack but Jack is the same one who leave him with the stink bag of mess to hold in the court case debacle but like ah say it woulda look bad I guess.
Then the man have the gall to mention the 2006 World Cup in he press release. Look Camps, I resign with immediate effect woulda be enough. But say what you gone and dais a good start......
One by one the dominoes will fall......FIFA cleaning up all remnants of Jack boy wheeeyyyy....look ting!!
2011 was/is indeed an interesting year in T&T football......
went to the temple yesterday and prayed and i aint even hindu but my prays were answered
I cold in Denver but Brown text warm meh up I eh go lie but ah back 2 minus tempretaures when I read is Watson take ovah.
Right you are!! this could be as bob marley said, "from the frying pan into the fire".I cold in Denver but Brown text warm meh up I eh go lie but ah back 2 minus tempretaures when I read is Watson take ovah.
If that's the case then we are no better off and there is no cause to celebrate!!
In fact I think we better band we belly as things could be going from bad to worst!! :'( :frustrated:
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.
this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account
Controversial I'm not following here. Shaka helped form a player's union. He outlined all the benefits and I assume attempted to hold meetings with players as such. If they were too foolish to take him on then how does that disqualify him form being a viable candidate if he so chooses? Since when do union bosses make good CEOs?
Was Shaka not part of the players contingent that beat Jack and Capms in court? Does that count for anything? Not endorsing, nor do I know him or if he has any plans where that is concerned....BUT unless you're familiar with his business skills, you seem to be dismissing the man based on some arbitrary rule you made up in your head that because fpatt is not off the ground Shaka is unsuited to be football leadership. Are you a hiring specialist or a human resources manager that you know precisely what his strengths and weaknesses are and how they can be best utilized to move football forward?
I said weeks ago there is a plot by hard line TTFF elements to stage a coup. The removal (resignation) of Camps is one element of this plot. This afternoon an emergency meeting of the TTFF executive committee replaced Camps with Watson - yes, THE SAME WATSON who is leading the hijack of the EFA from the clubs. The replacement of Groden as general secretary is the other element. My advice is that this is also in the works. The hard liners are daily being more threatened by their imploding world and they are becoming increasingly desperate. More nonsense to come...
we need a new federation, now is the time to start it and get approved by cfu and eventually fifa, forget the ttff, they have sold us out
time to move on to something fresh where old baggage won't keep us back
another thing to, shaka need to get his house in order with fpatt first, i am not convinced he is the right man to run our football
i don't agree with you about shaka, but other than that you may be correct. the fallout will produce a power vaccum with groups vying and fighting each other for power. the federation won't be purged of its personnel and organizational culture just by camps leaving. but a completely new federation needs money, so who will help bankroll such a venture? perhaps this is where the corporate sector can finally step in.
this whole mess has to be redone properly with the right structures in place to make sure no one man can ever hold the game hostage again or use the federation as their personal bank account
with a nation like trinidad, we have no choice but to have the new fed rest with a few people, because there are too many crabs and back stabbers back home to trust
we need a few good men to run the show that have the business acumen and know football and have the connections
shaka needs to get fpatt together because he needs the collective strength of the players to combat against unscrupulous agents, owners and the ttff, if shaka can't unite our players, what makes you think he can unite our football?
he is not the man, when he can run a proper player's union, then talk to me about shaka
right now we need someone who has both the business acumen, knowledge of football, the love for our nation and connections, it is not wise to appoint the head of fpatt as the prez of the new fed
we also need an individual who can get investors and sponsors on board
trust me there is individuals but only when the time is right will they come out of the shadows
Why was Shaka not able to unite the players? Is it not because of the players themselves, and even more so with Camps and JW blocking the way.
With a person like Shaka in "charge" would he not be able to clear the way to allow players to freely engage in a group like FPATT with out fear of victimization?
I really can't follow what you trying to get at. As yuh at it, what's with all the negative to people back home running the federation?Who you know will be willing to relocate to "volunteer" for the position?
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF
It is certainly a sad day for me and this is far from what I had expected. The changing of the guards was never meant to engender the bitterness that I feel or the pain which has replaced the pleasure of service.
And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights ::) which will make all things right with we football.
And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights ::) which will make all things right with we football.
Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.
And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights ::) which will make all things right with we football.
Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.
its funny because i never see you adding anything to threads but empty critiques and innuendo the length of medical encyclopedias :D
btw half baked im still awaiting your cure for insomnia ::)
And who do you have in mind that can get the tvRights ::) which will make all things right with we football.
Do us all a favor and please don't encourage this fool to spoil yet another thread with his self-congratulatory empty posturing.
its funny because i never see you adding anything to threads but empty critiques and innuendo the length of medical encyclopedias :D
btw half baked im still awaiting your cure for insomnia ::)
You are a bigger dunce than even you yourself realize.
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...President could you enlighten me abourt this Watson chap. Is he by chance the baggage handler at piarco? Jack's Driver turn administrator?
You refer to Johnson - Warner's personal attendant for many moons. Watson is a former prison officer. he sees the world from that perspective and believes we are all his prisoners. He is anti-democratic, arrogant and abusive. The Eastern FA has entered into terminal decline, and unless the clubs (MOVE) that are fighting for a democratic election in the east win their struggle some may very join the exodus from the EFA into the Arima League and the Eddie Hart League. Watson as TTFF president would be an unmitigated disaster. if you think things bad now, just wait...thanks for clearing that up for me. Couldn't the EFA write Chuck Blazer for some more help? But seriously though why not speak with Look Loy and ask him to bring Deryck Murray on board with him. Yes Deryck Murray! This guy has shown his administrative ability while running the TTCB and brought T&T cricket out of the doldrums into a powerhouse in WI cricket. But sadly cricket is going the way of a JW-led admistration now. An utter incompetent is handling our cricket and its in somewhat of a decline right now. Deryck was also a pretty good footballer in his day. We know he is an excellent admistrator.
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...President could you enlighten me abourt this Watson chap. Is he by chance the baggage handler at piarco? Jack's Driver turn administrator?
You refer to Johnson - Warner's personal attendant for many moons. Watson is a former prison officer. he sees the world from that perspective and believes we are all his prisoners. He is anti-democratic, arrogant and abusive. The Eastern FA has entered into terminal decline, and unless the clubs (MOVE) that are fighting for a democratic election in the east win their struggle some may very join the exodus from the EFA into the Arima League and the Eddie Hart League. Watson as TTFF president would be an unmitigated disaster. if you think things bad now, just wait...yes Deryck will bring alot of credibilty to the table. To some Look Loy may seem tainted having associated so long with the previous admin, but he did something unprecented in that admin. He resigned! That alone should give an indication that the man has some principles.
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF
In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.
Oliver Camps
President
"The presumption of innocence" applies to Camps. FIFA will not pursue the charges. The next president inherits a moribund organization, bankrupt is every sense but football cannot stop and there must be a national association to administer it. The resolution of the leadership issue does not reside is finding a saviour, however. Yes, someone must be at the helm, but "salvation" will only be found in the exercise of real football democracy from the ground up. That is, the clubs must reclaim the regional associations and, by extension, the Federation. Call me naive but I see no other way out of this mess.
Camps resigns as President of TTFF
TTFF
In conclusion, I want to thank Mr. Jack Warner for his support over the years. In him I see a true leader, a true champion, a Caribbean man, one who was prepared to do whatever was required to keep the Caribbean flag flying with dignity and pride. To the very end, my friend and I remain committed to his inspired leadership and loyal to friendship.
Oliver Camps
President
One last coat of spit on Jack bamsee.
God help us but it is true - Watson is it - but the latest intelligence says that he is running scared because he doesn't want to be associated with the Soca Warriors court case. The TTFF is imploding and hopefully Marlon Morris and his people will win the Northern FA election that will take place on Monday 31st. BTW, my information is that Clint Marcelle has joined with the incumbent NFA president Roland Forde after he lambasted the outgoing administration for having done nothing for years. Politics...President could you enlighten me abourt this Watson chap. Is he by chance the baggage handler at piarco? Jack's Driver turn administrator?
He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.
He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.
Sam , in case yuh don't know. dat man eh no fackin joke, he woulda drink yuh fackin blood right by dat gate, trust meh!He nearly had Brown and I thrown out of d HCS 4 posted d banners.
I woulda buss he f00cking head, I was waiting after de game right by de gate and is ah full fat bottle solo he collecting right on he temple....
Ok, I nearly made a terrible error. I began thinking "50 years in football? The man must really love football, and despite some errors of judgement, he must really have football close to his heart":beermug:
Then I woke up and thought:
50 years in football doesn't mean you love or respect the game. Its just been a convenient paycheck. If he had loved this game, he would have left a legacy of youth development, a string of coaches with big potential, a loyal and supportive corporate sponsor base, a contribution to world football. He list his successes as qualifying for 2006, but excuse me, wasn't it the players who achieved this? You were just a passenger like the rest of us. Worse, you took money, while supporters paid money. The youth world cups were achieved by Warner and his chicanery and wheres Camps legacy from those? Crumbling stadiums in poor geographical locations and no youth development programme?
Sorry Ollie, your legacy is taking TTFF from a period of immense profile and massive income to a bankrupt laughing stock with no viable succesors. The words "sinking ship" and "rat" springs to mind.
Ollies love for football is like the man who says he loves his wife, while beating her behind closed doors and horning her at every opportunity, providing nothing for his children. Its the love of an abuser, a rapist, a self serving opportunist who should have been found out and removed years ago.
And like an abused woman, TTFF will search for what they're used to, another abuser to take his place. More of the same is preferable to change....at least you know the rules.
Allyuh rejoicing now eh, but we might weep later.
remember when they removed most of those middleeastern monarch fuh the present day "so called " progressive rulers like khadafi, sadam, nassr and his boys (mubarak included) alassad, and ahmadinajad, and the scenario was worsened. these fella who waiting tuh take over is woss than jack and camps put together, don't be fooled ppl.
"The presumption of innocence" applies to Camps. FIFA will not pursue the charges. The next president inherits a moribund organization, bankrupt is every sense but football cannot stop and there must be a national association to administer it. The resolution of the leadership issue does not reside in finding a saviour, however. Yes, someone must be at the helm, but "salvation" will only be found in the exercise of real football democracy from the ground up. That is, the clubs must reclaim the regional associations and, by extension, the Federation. Call me naive but I see no other way out of this mess.
Controversial, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this: "if shaka and them were smart they would have negotiated a much better deal with the locals, where the locals would be a part of the union and slowly put the pressure on the ttff, without full withdrawal right away."
Withdrawal from what? As I understood it, local players were invited to join FPATT free of charge. There was no implication that they would have to withdraw from anything. As I recall, there were worries that TTFF may blacklist FPATT members, but, of course, that would have been directly in opposition to FIFA who want every Federation to support players unions.
The reason FPATT failed is simple. Players could not see the benefits of joining compared with the risk of upsetting Warner. They did not have the backbone to fight for themselves, and as such, continue (as Mr Pfister said) allow themselves to be treated like animals. I know a player who hasn't been paid by his club since March, yet ProLeague will not allow him to sign for another club as his contract has not been ended.
FPATT would have made ProLeague, clubs and TTFF more professional.
The TTFF members is real arse wipe and they like shrimps. Many of this mess easy to deal with if someone of sunstance come into the position. The tricky thing is getting the position.
Get the position and approach the Warriors, open up the books to them and settle quickly. Allow all the pressure to fall on JW, as a new President, will only be allowed to see the cooked books. Therefore, it will be up to Warner to provide accounting along with the LOC. Forensic edit.
While all this is going on, approach The FIFA pro actively, seeking info on how to put the mess with The FIFA behind them.
Approach the private sector consistently asking questions on how the federation can get them back on board with consistent support through-out the programs in various forms, finances, resources, etc. Don't assume to know.
Open up meetings to the public, publish financial records, etc.
Controversial, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this: "if shaka and them were smart they would have negotiated a much better deal with the locals, where the locals would be a part of the union and slowly put the pressure on the ttff, without full withdrawal right away."
Withdrawal from what? As I understood it, local players were invited to join FPATT free of charge. There was no implication that they would have to withdraw from anything. As I recall, there were worries that TTFF may blacklist FPATT members, but, of course, that would have been directly in opposition to FIFA who want every Federation to support players unions.
The reason FPATT failed is simple. Players could not see the benefits of joining compared with the risk of upsetting Warner. They did not have the backbone to fight for themselves, and as such, continue (as Mr Pfister said) allow themselves to be treated like animals. I know a player who hasn't been paid by his club since March, yet ProLeague will not allow him to sign for another club as his contract has not been ended.
FPATT would have made ProLeague, clubs and TTFF more professional.
Nice plan, will definitely work if executed with the right person in place but we all know that eh happening if a fella like Watson is allowed to take over!!
Who is currently the Vice President of the TTFF? I presume whoever that is will assume control until the TTFF has fresh elections?! :thinking:
like i said, i spoke to a few of the players directly and they told me the situation, fpatt needs better organization and structure
they approached it in the wrong way, shaka was a part of the lawsuit and also head of fpatt, shaka should have made it clear to the media that the players joining the association are not in support of the lawsuit, so that the local players would not be victimized as well.
certain ways of approaching the issue could have been handled better and it wasn't, plain and simple, we are dealing with people's livelihood's here and they have families to feed, they don't have the luxury of the foreign based to live off of previous earnings that are in euro or pounds.
fpatt handled the situation poorly, more leadership and better strategy needs to be shown in the future to convince me.
Nice plan, will definitely work if executed with the right person in place but we all know that eh happening if a fella like Watson is allowed to take over!!
Who is currently the Vice President of the TTFF? I presume whoever that is will assume control until the TTFF has fresh elections?! :thinking:
There were three. Lennox Watson was one of them.
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.......what happened to
IT RESIGNSSSSSSS!!!!
A very SAD SAD day in TnT Football
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.......what happened to
IT RESIGNSSSSSSS!!!!
:rotfl: ent
Couple questions...
1) Ent Warner and Camps still named as proprietors for the business entity trading as the TTFF ? Does that mean that they will still be able to call the shots...not necessarily from behind the scenes either.
2) In the court case the players were trying to have Warner named as a co-defendant in the litigation. I expect the same held for Camps as well. How will the resignation of both men affect the outcome of the case and the eventual pay out ?
I know we were fighting a battle to have these two removed from office. I suppose half the battle won, but personally i dont see much changing in the TTFF even though these two men gone, unless of course there is significant change in the culture of the TTFF.
Couple questions...
1) Ent Warner and Camps still named as proprietors for the business entity trading as the TTFF ? Does that mean that they will still be able to call the shots...not necessarily from behind the scenes either.
2) In the court case the players were trying to have Warner named as a co-defendant in the litigation. I expect the same held for Camps as well. How will the resignation of both men affect the outcome of the case and the eventual pay out ?
I know we were fighting a battle to have these two removed from office. I suppose half the battle won, but personally i dont see much changing in the TTFF even though these two men gone, unless of course there is significant change in the culture of the TTFF.
1) Good question. TTFF is a sole trader owned by Oliver Camps, if I recall correctly.
2) The court case has two defendents: TTFF and Oliver Camps. Warner will be added as a third. Resignation will not effect anything. If Camps and Warner are found to be responsible for missing funds, their assets could be seized. Also, future TTFF income could be ordered to be used to repay the players. TTFF could be operating without funds for years. Also, any in depth investigation could find others culpable.
Controversial : "they approached it in the wrong way, shaka was a part of the lawsuit and also head of fpatt, shaka should have made it clear to the media that the players joining the association are not in support of the lawsuit, so that the local players would not be victimized as well."
Let me understand this. TTFF broke their contract of employment and the players took legal action after mediation failed. TTFF produced false accounts. TTFF and Warner restricted the players trade by blacklisting them and publicly slandered them. But, FPATT should not have publicly supported the players? Are you mad, Contro? What union in the world would not use those actions as the very reason why a union is needed? If FPATT didn't support the action they would have appeared weak and toothless. From what I recall, FPATT consistently stated that they were not part of the lawsuit, but of course they supported the rights of workers to stand up to the wrongdoing of their employees.
I understand that by supporting the players, FPATT drew a line in the sand, but that was the point: no more abuse of players. The lawsuit should have been a catalyst that unified all players, a flag to rally around. Yet, even now, players still allow themselves to be "treated like animals" according to Pfister.
OMG THE ERA IS OVER
YESSSSSS
Very famous and prophetic words Jackarse "And in the fullness of time everything shall be revealed".
Under your watch Campolito, history will remember that on January 9th, 2006 your "friend till the end" claims that FIFA payout for qualifying for the World Cup of $38 million is subject to $8 million withholding tax by the German authorities and another $2 million in insurance deductions. That was another boldface LIE. In fact, 3 weeks later, FIFA reiterated that the TTFF will receive $43 million and not $38 million and that both FIFA and the German Organizing Committee both deny that the money is subject to tax. No apologies will ever be accepted.
History will remember that under your watch on September 14th, 2007 the TTFF claimed it had made $18 million. That was a boldfaced LIE. TT Government revealed in fact the TTFF made approximately $174 million from the public and private sector alone. That figure does not include money made from World Cup qualifying, broadcast rights, television revenues and 5 international friendlies. When questioned about it your lawyer, Omey, stated "TTFF were strangers to this document". No apologies will ever be accepted for this lie so don't try.
History will remember that on May 19th, 2008 your "friend till the end" didn't make himself available for cross-examination in the arbitration case against the Warriors and the TTFA offered no reason for his absence. Neither did the TTFF pay any arbitration fees because you claimed it had no money. In 2011, once again we see "your friend till the end" not showing up for another court case. History repeating itself.
Under your watch Camps, history will remember that you changed the TTFA to the TTFF just so you could weasel your way out of the contract with the Strike Squad.
History will remember that on August 28th, 2009 you attempted to repeal the 1982 Act, which incorporated the TTFA by an act of Parliament in another lame attempt to weasel your way out of paying the Soca Warriors.
Under your watch, history will remember that on June 12th, 2006, your "friend till the end" opened his mouth and wrote a check that his ass could not cash.
Under your watch, history will remember that your "friend till the end and leader as you eloquently called him" commended you for blacklisting our heroes, the same men as history may reveal put millions of dollars in your offshore account.
"The Attorney General and I have spoken but I do not think it is prudent for me to say what we discussed." "I have to laugh at this country for true you know...in FIFA there is a thing that says if government interferes in football business in any country the country is suspended but here in Trinidad and Tobago the opposition here wants to interfere in FIFA business," Warner said.
"You cannot interfere with FIFA business in your country, people are laughing at us. I could understand some guys have a political agenda, I could understand that but do not make a fool of yourself and this is what is happening here at this moment," he said.
So, now Warners playing the FIFA card? Well, whether or not crimes were committed, the govt of T&T has the sovereign right to investigate incidents that may have broken the laws of the land. That right trumps the FIFA card, as Warner well knows.
Somehow, I don't feel any better with the news. Seems like nothing has changed since there is no plan in place, just changing heads.
MOVE, the EFA clubs, have requested support for their democratic struggle from the TT Pro League. NOTHING has been forthcoming other than ole talk from clubs leaders who ALWAYS have something to sat about the TTFF and its inefficient leadership. The SSFL should be discussing the matter tomorrow, Monday. We will see if that brings anything. Tobago and the referees' association have come out and supported the EFA clubs, but in the end the TTFF clique don't respect or fear what people have to say. So the question is what are people prepared to DO? Anybody for some protest banners at the stadium on 15 November when we play Guyana? Of course, that won't get the clique out but the time for the clubs and the public to demand their removal from office is NOW...
Importantly, I should add MOVE wrote to Anil Roberts on 12 October 2011 describing the EFA electoral impasse for him and asking for his attention. NO RESPONSE. Not even an acknowledgement! Form your own conclusion...So is banners on 15OctoberNovember? ...
Importantly, I should add MOVE wrote to Anil Roberts on 12 October 2011 describing the EFA electoral impasse for him and asking for his attention. NO RESPONSE. Not even an acknowledgement! Form your own conclusion...So is banners on 15 October? ...
If you could privately provide his email address to me MOVE would be grateful, I am certain.
We need as many people as possible to bring banners demanding the transformation of the TTFF to the stadium on 15 November...and by way of this response to your query - I invite all of us on SWO who so readily type against the TTFF clique to stand up and support this undertaking by committing to bring a banner themselves. Come on SWO People!...
We need as many people as possible to bring banners demanding the transformation of the TTFF to the stadium on 15 November...and by way of this response to your query - I invite all of us on SWO who so readily type against the TTFF clique to stand up and support this undertaking by committing to bring a banner themselves. Come on SWO People!...
Watson is the acting president - appointed by an exco meeting the evening Camps resigned. They just haven't revealed that to the media because of all the bad press he has been receiving due to the impasse with the EFA clubs...God help us...
Watson is the acting president - appointed by an exco meeting the evening Camps resigned. They just haven't revealed that to the media because of all the bad press he has been receiving due to the impasse with the EFA clubs...God help us...
Precisely the point. TTFF reluctant to reveal who is in charge and the media too stupid to ask. You would think some questions would have been raised after Camps said he was resigning IMMEDIATELY.
If decision's leading up to Camp's resignation were an attempt to do better, then come and tell the public how you plan to do better. Internal politics aside, this silence does not sit well with me at all.
Is it that the media houses don't care about football, except WC. Local football is not as "exciting" as in the past. Also in the past, the majority of the sport journalist played sports at a high level, so they had the passion. Maybe these university trained journalist lack the passion. Ah go get flack for the last statement, but ah wearing ah pohzee on mih for any backlash.
Is it that the media houses don't care about football, except WC. Local football is not as "exciting" as in the past. Also in the past, the majority of the sport journalist played sports at a high level, so they had the passion. Maybe these university trained journalist lack the passion. Ah go get flack for the last statement, but ah wearing ah pohzee on mih for any backlash.
Does the media ask tough questions where other sports are concerned?
Football Fans of T and T you cannot allow the imposition of Watson on this country! Thus is a crucial moment to engender some change!:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
I am surprised no journalist is writing on this! Where is Lasana Liburd at least! Fans should be mobilized on November 15! People you have a penchant for old talk and no action! This is time for action!
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.
Disappointed.Like everyone who has a progressive vision,articulate and educated,we shot them down.
Latest: Marlon Morris and his slate lost all positions last evening in the Northern FA elections. Roland Forde, the incumbent returns as president with Clint Marcelle as vice-president.
Disappointed.Like everyone who has a progressive vision,articulate and educated,we shot them down.
Pardon my ignorance. Genuine question to you and Prezi, what wrong with Forde and Marcelle?
Forde is a nice enough guy but he plays along with the TTFF clique. Marcelle is an ex-international player, of course, and we will see what his administrative and political input will be. At least for the present, therefore, the TTFF status quo is maintained by these election results. The removal of Watson, Ferguson and Company in the Eastern FA, and (potentially) the arrival of Marcelle, will change that equation.
Yes, we will see. Also, let's not forget that there ARE elements within the TTFF that are definitely NOT integral to the TTFF clique: the Tobago FA, the Referees' Association, and sections of the Southern FA, for starters. The situation is in flux and we need a broad coalition to force the clique out. The timing for that is not easy to define...
You could form your own league, association or federation. This has been done more than once previously in and outside of TNT. It ALWAYS ends with the "rebels" returning to the FIFA fold. That's the FIFA fold. Yes, because no serious player, club or league wants to be outside of FIFA football. Do you know that Alfredo di Stefano played with Millionarios of Bogota back in the late 1940s and early 1950s when they were member of a "rebel" league. That particular experiment inevitably failed and he made his way to Spain and stardom with Real Madrid. Here in TNT we had our Premier Soccer League - the Arthur Suite League - that was a success for a three years and then they all wound their way back into the TTFF. I played in that league. That route NEVER works...
It's a dead end if you want to enjoy the benefits of FIFA membership - like participation in the World Cup, CONCACAF Gold Cup, CONCACAF Champions League, FIFA development programmes and financing, etc. Simple. Anything else is just playing for playing sake...
What really amazing to me is that Camps signed a promissory note against his personal assets on behalf of the TTFF. Was there any line between the business of the TTFF and his personal assets, and why can't Warner bail out the man?
http://www.channel4.com/news/jack-warners-cheques-oliver-camps-fbi-trinidad
I was not involved in the administration of the football. - Oliver Camps, TTFA/TTFF President 1992-2011
Wasn't the TTFA or TTFF a private company registered to Camps?
Something so
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?
Not sure what you mean here. It was always the players aim to see Jack punished, but they haven't given up, just had to find a different route. Where do you think the FBI got details of dodgy transactions??
So FS, you see what Jack did to Ollie Camps and TTFF/TTFA. Why can't Brent see the same thing?
Not sure what you mean here. It was always the players aim to see Jack punished, but they haven't given up, just had to find a different route. Where do you think the FBI got details of dodgy transactions??
Wait... so you claiming credit on behalf of the players for supplying information to the US DoJ now? Incredible.
You're such an imbecile sometimes. You know that the TTFF office was "raided" because you keep throwing this up as a reason why TTFA can't provide audits. I'm also fairly sure that it has been mentioned in media articles that Townley passed information obtained from TTFF's office to the FBI. So is it really too hard to believe that at least one Warner transaction was provided by the players?
You're such an imbecile sometimes. You know that the TTFF office was "raided" because you keep throwing this up as a reason why TTFA can't provide audits. I'm also fairly sure that it has been mentioned in media articles that Townley passed information obtained from TTFF's office to the FBI. So is it really too hard to believe that at least one Warner transaction was provided by the players?
By nature, I am skeptical of claims which seem fantastic. I can recall no "media articles" which mention any communication between Michael Townley and the US Department of Justice. Not only that, the Complaint (http://www.justice.gov/opa/file/450211/download) is pretty particular in documenting where information came from in building the case against Warner. All of the information presented points to evidence provided by co-conspirators.
My continued questioning of you and your statements derives from my growing lack of confidence in your honesty... and serves two purposes: 1) to continue to challenge you to verify your increasingly dishonest, self-serving statements; and 2) to reveal your for the sensitive empty suit that you are. You cannot substantiate your statement, which has morphed from "where do you think the FBI got details..." to "it's really not too hard to believe that at least one..."
Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling. I must really be getting under your skin with all this insistence on "transparency and accountability" (and honesty).
Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Pot, black, kettle :rotfl: :rotfl:
Remember you haven't recovered from your attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note yet. You see, I actually talk to people who are involved in situations whereas you are fed false and misleadin gossip. People here can make their own conclusions without you branding me as a liar, something you as anambulance chaserlawyer should know better than stating in public without consequences.
But you are correct in that I couldn't swear in a court of law that the FBI specifically used an item supplied by the players. And you couldn't swear that they didn't. However, it shouldn't take too much for your inside man to confirm who I converse with in the US legal system.
Caught in yet another lie you resort to petulant name-calling. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Pot, black, kettle :rotfl: :rotfl:
Remember you haven't recovered from your attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note yet. You see, I actually talk to people who are involved in situations whereas you are fed false and misleadin gossip. People here can make their own conclusions without you branding me as a liar, something you as anambulance chaserlawyer should know better than stating in public without consequences.
But you are correct in that I couldn't swear in a court of law that the FBI specifically used an item supplied by the players. And you couldn't swear that they didn't. However, it shouldn't take too much for your inside man to confirm who I converse with in the US legal system.
What "attempts to mislead the board about the cabinet note"?? You mean this post (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=63749.msg928096#msg928096) where I let you galavant yuhself before proving to you that there was no 'condition' put on the disbursement of funds to the TTFA. The same post which you conceded was accurate and not misleading... where despite several requests you couldn't find the language dictating the "condition" that you harped on? You actually talk to people who are involved in situations but it's clear you haven't the faintest of understandings of what you hear/see/read.
If you feel aggrieved by me not only calling, but proving you a liar then why don't you sue me, liar? I don't have to swear anything liar, you're the one who claimed affirmatively that the players provided information relied upon by the FBI in their prosecution of Jack. The criminal complaint, which I conveniently linked for you in my last post (so that you can't claim that I'm 'misleading' anyone) makes clear the sources of the information against him, they went so far as to identify where the alleged monies were laundered. No references to the WC dispute, the players or Townley... yet you have the balls to boldly claim the WC players played a role, not expecting anyone to call you on it. Keep talking, with each passing day it's becoming clearer why you and Sancho fit in so comfortably with the den of thieves and liars that is the PP government. Let me know if you need my address to send the court papers.
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Jack is de woss ting ever.we all did...cause we wanted we name on world news and reaching world cup...and now we throwing everybody under the bus...like we had nothing to do with it... his (Camps) mistake was when the spell was broken he still operated on principle and his word..
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.
Jack is de woss ting ever.we all did...cause we wanted we name on world news and reaching world cup...and now we throwing everybody under the bus...like we had nothing to do with it... his (Camps) mistake was when the spell was broken he still operated on principle and his word..
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.
Peter, in this entire article, you eh mention the elephant in the room?
Peter, in this entire article, you eh mention the elephant in the room?
Because the elephant is on the endangered species list and is unable to assist in the cause.
Bassarath starts petition to help Camps
T&T Newsday
A MOVE is afoot to galvanise the public into contributing to a fund which is being set up to prevent former president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) Oliver Camps from losing his house and other personal assets.
Camps, now in his 80s and seriously ill, has been given until January 21 by the High Court to come up with $3.8 million to pay Dutchman Wim Risjbergen after the ex-Soca Warriors coach took legal action against the TT FA to secure outstanding salary.
Now after Dr Sandra Camps, the daughter of the former Maritime General Insurance Company director has written to the daily newspapers making public her fathers unfortunate plight, one prominent sports official has come forward with a plan to help the sports administrator.
On Tuesday, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board Azim Bassarath said he was willing to place the resources of the national sports organisation to solicit donations and erase the debt owed.
Bassarath said he felt that it was unfair and underserving of Camps to inherit a debt of the TT FA which has placed in great danger his property and assets, which he has worked hard to acquire throughout his life.
The cricket chief also said he was very concerned about the toll the long legal process and the consequences have had on the health and mental faculties of Camps, who according to his daughter have rendered him bedridden.
The plan outlined by Bassarath would entail a contribution of $1,000 by at least 4,000 persons, corporate entities, business organisations and the like which would adequately cover the amount of the court judgment.
He has also suggested any extra funds derived from the campaign could be donated to Camps to take care of his health concerns.
I am calling on everyone who love sports, not only football or cricket, to show where their hearts are. This situation appeals to our humanity for a man who has spent more than half a century in the service of sport, having been the president of the national football organisation, is regarded as our most successful national team manager and has been a long-serving member of the legendary Harvard Club, said Bassarath. Camps problems originated from a promissory note he signed as president of the TT FA for $480,000 (US) to secure the services of Risjbergen, after the historic 2006 World Cup where the former top Dutch defender was assistant to team coach and countryman Leo Beenhakker.
Bassarath said the TT CB, which he heads, will be guided by the response of the public to his humanitarian appeal, with the objective of creating a bank account where donations can be accepted for the Oliver Camps Fund, which will be administrated by delegated officers of the Cricket Board to ensure transparency and accountability.
We are looking at encouraging all the other national sports organisations to play an important role, as well as the general public who support and love sports to make a tangible effort to help a fellow human being, a well-loved and trusted sports administrator who has served this country well over the years. It is the least we can do if we all come together and contribute what is a small amount in the general scheme of things, said Bassarath
Jack is de woss ting ever.we all did...cause we wanted we name on world news and reaching world cup...and now we throwing everybody under the bus...like we had nothing to do with it... his (Camps) mistake was when the spell was broken he still operated on principle and his word..
Sorry Ollie but yuh make yuh bed with that vampire.