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Title: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: FireBrand on July 18, 2006, 09:57:29 PM
Govt moves to evacuate 30 Trinis trapped in war-torn nation
Louis B Homer South Bureau
Wednesday, July 19th 2006
 
 
Some 30 Trinidadians of Lebanese descent, including the Lebanese Honorary Consul in Trinidad, Ameer Haidar, were yesterday trying to get out of war-torn Lebanon.

Haidar, 38, his wife Gina, 40, and their four children-Jessica, George, Peter and Jenifer-arrived in Lebanon on July 8, for a one-month holiday.

The Haidars were forced to cut short their vacation because of Israel's bombing of Lebanon over the past week to get at Hezbollah militants.

Haidar spoke yesterday to a relative in Trinidad, saying that the bombing had subsided and he was making arrangements to return to Trinidad.

Thousands of people from other countries were also fleeing Lebanon.

David Nahous, a friend of the Haidars, said there were other families who would like to return to Trinidad but he was not in a position to give details of their whereabouts in Lebanon.

Albert Hadeed, former honorary counsul for Syria in Trinidad, said he had made arrangements for another Trinidadian, Amal Mansoor, who was trying to get out of Lebanon.

Hadeed said: "I advised him to go to Syria right away because Syria has opened its borders to all those trying to get out of Lebanon."

Hadeed said from conversations he had with a brother living in Lebanon, he was told that the situation was "very bad".

He added: "Most of those people from Trinidad who had gone across heard of the problems and many of them got out of the country before the bombing escalated."

Other Trinidadians said to be trying to get out of Lebanon were Nina and Natasha Tommy who live in Beirut, Margo Aboud of Bayshore, Port of Spain, Claudette, Alfred and Donald Fakoury, also of Bayshore.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it had mobilised Trinidad's High Commissioner in London, Glenda Morean-Phillip, who was said to be in contact with Haidar's brother Jean in an attempt to co-ordinate efforts to locate and evacuate Trinidad and Tobago nationals who wanted to leave Lebanon.

The ministry said it was "aware of three nationals who wish to be evacuated and every attempt is being made to find other nationals who wish to leave".

Several countries including the United States have been evacuating their nationals from Lebanon.

Thousands have been moved through Cyprus since the Israeli attacks began.

Former national footballer David Nakhid, in a telephone interview with the Express from Lebanon, said that he had not yet heard about the ministry's efforts to evacuate citizens from the country but predicted that it would be done through the British Consul.

Nakhid reported that he and his family were currently living at their second home atop a mountain.

He said that though they were confined, they were trying to make the best of it.

He noted that most areas around his location had been hit by the random bombings.

"There's nowhere peaceful for the moment," he said.

On the prospect of returning to Trinidad, Nakhid said that like everyone else, he would like to go somewhere that had no bombing.

He expressed hope that in the next couple of days there would be a cease-fire or that the attacks of the Israelis would be repelled by the Lebanese army or Hezbollah fighters.
 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trini Madness on July 18, 2006, 10:09:02 PM
all that stuff going on is just terrible....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2006, 12:00:05 AM
Govt moves to evacuate 30 Trinis trapped in war-torn nation
Louis B Homer South Bureau
Wednesday, July 19th 2006
 
 
Some 30 Trinidadians of Lebanese descent, including the Lebanese Honorary Consul in Trinidad, Ameer Haidar, were yesterday trying to get out of war-torn Lebanon.

Haidar, 38, his wife Gina, 40, and their four children-Jessica, George, Peter and Jenifer-arrived in Lebanon on July 8, for a one-month holiday.

The Haidars were forced to cut short their vacation because of Israel's bombing of Lebanon over the past week to get at Hezbollah militants.

Haidar spoke yesterday to a relative in Trinidad, saying that the bombing had subsided and he was making arrangements to return to Trinidad.

Thousands of people from other countries were also fleeing Lebanon.

David Nahous, a friend of the Haidars, said there were other families who would like to return to Trinidad but he was not in a position to give details of their whereabouts in Lebanon.

Albert Hadeed, former honorary counsul for Syria in Trinidad, said he had made arrangements for another Trinidadian, Amal Mansoor, who was trying to get out of Lebanon.

Hadeed said: "I advised him to go to Syria right away because Syria has opened its borders to all those trying to get out of Lebanon."

Hadeed said from conversations he had with a brother living in Lebanon, he was told that the situation was "very bad".

He added: "Most of those people from Trinidad who had gone across heard of the problems and many of them got out of the country before the bombing escalated."

Other Trinidadians said to be trying to get out of Lebanon were Nina and Natasha Tommy who live in Beirut, Margo Aboud of Bayshore, Port of Spain, Claudette, Alfred and Donald Fakoury, also of Bayshore.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it had mobilised Trinidad's High Commissioner in London, Glenda Morean-Phillip, who was said to be in contact with Haidar's brother Jean in an attempt to co-ordinate efforts to locate and evacuate Trinidad and Tobago nationals who wanted to leave Lebanon.

The ministry said it was "aware of three nationals who wish to be evacuated and every attempt is being made to find other nationals who wish to leave".

Several countries including the United States have been evacuating their nationals from Lebanon.

Thousands have been moved through Cyprus since the Israeli attacks began.

Former national footballer David Nakhid, in a telephone interview with the Express from Lebanon, said that he had not yet heard about the ministry's efforts to evacuate citizens from the country but predicted that it would be done through the British Consul.

Nakhid reported that he and his family were currently living at their second home atop a mountain.

He said that though they were confined, they were trying to make the best of it.

He noted that most areas around his location had been hit by the random bombings.

"There's nowhere peaceful for the moment," he said.

On the prospect of returning to Trinidad, Nakhid said that like everyone else, he would like to go somewhere that had no bombing.

He expressed hope that in the next couple of days there would be a cease-fire or that the attacks of the Israelis would be repelled by the Lebanese army or Hezbollah fighters.
 


The man take the whole family leave Trinidad for ah vacation in Lebanon ???....hmmm hope he make it back safe
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: michimausi on July 19, 2006, 02:11:03 AM
Horrible, all this...
I have Lebanese relatives who live there and can't afford to leave the country...my Lebanese aunt lives here in Germany...we're all very concerned and worried...not only about our relatives, but for all who are affected.  I hope from the bottom of my heart that everybody who wants to leave the country makes it out safe and that God is on the side of all who can't flee...
When will people finally learn that this terror nonsense just isn't worth it?!?!?

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
-- Bertrand Russell
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 04:38:44 AM
The Royal navy has sent several ships to help evacuate British nationals trapped there, I hope that this also applies to those commonwealth countries who do not have the means to help their own citizens. Times like this are when an organisation like the commonwealth should act in a united manner as along with the British Navy, the Australian and Canadian's are there as well.

This is a terrible situation and I really hope that no more innocent people are caught up in it.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 19, 2006, 05:51:20 AM
Govt moves to evacuate 30 Trinis trapped in war-torn nation
Louis B Homer South Bureau
Wednesday, July 19th 2006
 
 
Some 30 Trinidadians of Lebanese descent, including the Lebanese Honorary Consul in Trinidad, Ameer Haidar, were yesterday trying to get out of war-torn Lebanon.

Haidar, 38, his wife Gina, 40, and their four children-Jessica, George, Peter and Jenifer-arrived in Lebanon on July 8, for a one-month holiday.

The Haidars were forced to cut short their vacation because of Israel's bombing of Lebanon over the past week to get at Hezbollah militants.

Haidar spoke yesterday to a relative in Trinidad, saying that the bombing had subsided and he was making arrangements to return to Trinidad.

Thousands of people from other countries were also fleeing Lebanon.

David Nahous, a friend of the Haidars, said there were other families who would like to return to Trinidad but he was not in a position to give details of their whereabouts in Lebanon.

Albert Hadeed, former honorary counsul for Syria in Trinidad, said he had made arrangements for another Trinidadian, Amal Mansoor, who was trying to get out of Lebanon.

Hadeed said: "I advised him to go to Syria right away because Syria has opened its borders to all those trying to get out of Lebanon."

Hadeed said from conversations he had with a brother living in Lebanon, he was told that the situation was "very bad".

He added: "Most of those people from Trinidad who had gone across heard of the problems and many of them got out of the country before the bombing escalated."

Other Trinidadians said to be trying to get out of Lebanon were Nina and Natasha Tommy who live in Beirut, Margo Aboud of Bayshore, Port of Spain, Claudette, Alfred and Donald Fakoury, also of Bayshore.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it had mobilised Trinidad's High Commissioner in London, Glenda Morean-Phillip, who was said to be in contact with Haidar's brother Jean in an attempt to co-ordinate efforts to locate and evacuate Trinidad and Tobago nationals who wanted to leave Lebanon.

The ministry said it was "aware of three nationals who wish to be evacuated and every attempt is being made to find other nationals who wish to leave".

Several countries including the United States have been evacuating their nationals from Lebanon.

Thousands have been moved through Cyprus since the Israeli attacks began.

Former national footballer David Nakhid, in a telephone interview with the Express from Lebanon, said that he had not yet heard about the ministry's efforts to evacuate citizens from the country but predicted that it would be done through the British Consul.

Nakhid reported that he and his family were currently living at their second home atop a mountain.

He said that though they were confined, they were trying to make the best of it.

He noted that most areas around his location had been hit by the random bombings.

"There's nowhere peaceful for the moment," he said.

On the prospect of returning to Trinidad, Nakhid said that like everyone else, he would like to go somewhere that had no bombing.

He expressed hope that in the next couple of days there would be a cease-fire or that the attacks of the Israelis would be repelled by the Lebanese army or Hezbollah fighters.
 


F@#K the Hezbollah
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Jah Gol on July 19, 2006, 06:25:15 AM
So all this is Hezbollah's fault ?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 19, 2006, 06:31:12 AM
oh oh..  :o.ah was waitin for somebody to toss a counter position


ok wait ...ah goin an get some popcorn...rebuttals could start in 2 minutes
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: lickslikefire on July 19, 2006, 06:57:57 AM
oh oh..  :o.ah was waitin for somebody to toss a counter position


ok wait ...ah goin an get some popcorn...rebuttals could start in 2 minutes

I was waiting for someone to say someting too....I go watch and see how dis ting pan out   :whistling:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: redtrinigirl on July 19, 2006, 07:02:22 AM
I have two views on this, with no one more right than the other.

First you have the Israelis, or the "white Jews" as some call them. First off, they are not Israelis, as in the people in the bible. They are european people who practice the jewish religion, and were "given" a country by the brits and allieds after world war 2, in light of their presecution by the Nazis.

Because of this, you can kind of understand the arab views on them. They are not one of us, never tried to blend in or make friends. Just come in, and displace people who were living in the state of Israel (land anyway) for hundreds of years, all because they had the backing of the americans and brits, etc.

Then add to that the very aggressive and often violent Israeli reaction to every thing done to them. If you had neighbours, who for every inch, they take a yard, would you be able to live in peace with them? The Israelis are just as aggressive and warmongering as their enemies. Their access to advanced weaponry only add to the problem. It's like rocks and grenades versus fighter jets and guided missiles.

Now ask yourself this: if this were any other country, especially a non-first world country, who invaded and started bombing up their neighbours, wouldn't america and britain and NATO have already stepped by now and dealt with it? Makes one wonder. Because Iraq invaded Kuwait, america went to war. Yet the Israelis constantly bomb and invade and occupy their neighbours at will, and no one says boo.

Then on the other hand you have the Palestinians/Lebanese or active terrorist networks. Everybody talks about the suicide bombings and how bad they are to be waging this war on Israel.

Let me ask you this: if your country, or what has been your people's home for hundreds of years, is suddenly occupied by some foreigners, who then make you a second (or even third) class citizen in your own land, make it almost impossible for you to get a good paying job, and then displace you to where ever they feel, bomb you left and right for every protest or act of defiance, what would you do? Would you fight back?

How would you fight back? You don't have any great supply of money to buy weapons. There is an economic embargo on you and your people, because everyone it seems is supporting your occupier in their bid to rid you from the land. What are your options of resistance?

It is a very sad situation, created by the allieds who put europeans in a land that they had no rights too, and displaced a people who are from a culture where they never give up and will fight to the death.

Result? This is never going to stop. The war will rage on. And it will escalate, because the arab community will not stand for seeing their brethren victimized by Israel.

I cannot say one side is right. They are both victims, they are both committing unforgiveable violence because they believe they are right.

Lord help us.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 07:23:45 AM
I have two views on this, with no one more right than the other.

First you have the Israelis, or the "white Jews" as some call them. First off, they are not Israelis, as in the people in the bible. They are european people who practice the jewish religion, and were "given" a country by the brits and allieds after world war 2, in light of their presecution by the Nazis.

Because of this, you can kind of understand the arab views on them. They are not one of us, never tried to blend in or make friends. Just come in, and displace people who were living in the state of Israel (land anyway) for hundreds of years, all because they had the backing of the americans and brits, etc.

Then add to that the very aggressive and often violent Israeli reaction to every thing done to them. If you had neighbours, who for every inch, they take a yard, would you be able to live in peace with them? The Israelis are just as aggressive and warmongering as their enemies. Their access to advanced weaponry only add to the problem. It's like rocks and grenades versus fighter jets and guided missiles.

Now ask yourself this: if this were any other country, especially a non-first world country, who invaded and started bombing up their neighbours, wouldn't america and britain and NATO have already stepped by now and dealt with it? Makes one wonder. Because Iraq invaded Kuwait, america went to war. Yet the Israelis constantly bomb and invade and occupy their neighbours at will, and no one says boo.

Then on the other hand you have the Palestinians/Lebanese or active terrorist networks. Everybody talks about the suicide bombings and how bad they are to be waging this war on Israel.

Let me ask you this: if your country, or what has been your people's home for hundreds of years, is suddenly occupied by some foreigners, who then make you a second (or even third) class citizen in your own land, make it almost impossible for you to get a good paying job, and then displace you to where ever they feel, bomb you left and right for every protest or act of defiance, what would you do? Would you fight back?

How would you fight back? You don't have any great supply of money to buy weapons. There is an economic embargo on you and your people, because everyone it seems is supporting your occupier in their bid to rid you from the land. What are your options of resistance?

It is a very sad situation, created by the allieds who put europeans in a land that they had no rights too, and displaced a people who are from a culture where they never give up and will fight to the death.

Result? This is never going to stop. The war will rage on. And it will escalate, because the arab community will not stand for seeing their brethren victimized by Israel.

I cannot say one side is right. They are both victims, they are both committing unforgiveable violence because they believe they are right.

Lord help us.

question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ttcom on July 19, 2006, 07:32:45 AM
:applause: :applause: :applause:. My biggest hear is that, if it escalates to Syria and Iran start supplying them with missiles. If Israel back is against the wall they'll go nuke. US may wont to deploy troops to save Israel ass. I have already spoke out at my unit that I am not fighting no war for Israel. Been to Kuwait and Iraq but hell go freeze over before I go defend Israel.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: kicker on July 19, 2006, 07:33:20 AM


question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?

There was nothing in her post that implied that she hated white people...where is that question coming from ?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 07:39:14 AM


question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?

There was nothing in her post that implied that she hated white people...where is that question coming from ?

I'm probably being over sensitive, but the reference to the fact that Israel was set up by Britain and other allies, why name Britain specifically.

Also, the Israelis known as White Jews, are they? is there a difference between white and "Non-White" jews? when I was there, it was hard to tell the difference between the jews, the Palestinians and the Beduins by simply looking at them (With obvious exceptions).

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: kicker on July 19, 2006, 07:44:24 AM

I'm probably being over sensitive, but the reference to the fact that Israel was set up by Britain and other allies, why name Britain specifically.

Also, the Israelis known as White Jews, are they? is there a difference between white and "Non-White" jews? when I was there, it was hard to tell the difference between the jews, the Palestinians and the Beduins by simply looking at them (With obvious exceptions).


I don't have much to say there. Ask a jewish person if he/she sees a difference between white jews and non-white jews.....then ask him or her to be honest  ;D

There are differing opinions on Israeli occupation in Palestine. Redtinigirl's opinion is a common one, and not only common to those who "hate" white people.....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Slade on July 19, 2006, 07:46:29 AM
How can you blame the Hezbollah they are just standing up for the Palistine people, remember they have been displaced since 1948 when the Jews came back to claim their land, their is a beginning and an end to everything, something got to happen this time.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 19, 2006, 07:48:28 AM
*finishin up first bag of popcorn,,,,going to get some corn chips*
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 07:51:23 AM
I've said in discussions here, that this is the equivalent to Britain bombing the roads, petrol stations and bridges in Dublin every time the IRA bomb London.

I fail to see how anyone (Except Bush and Blair, who's responses have been little more than pathetic) can justify bombing innocent people, resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties, because two soldiers get kidnapped.

the only thing the Pelestinians have done wrong, is not supply tens of millions of dollars into American political party funds ::)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: kandi_tt on July 19, 2006, 07:59:12 AM
did you see the CNN exclusive from inside Lebanon where the reporter was shown around by a member of the Hezbollah...they were showing all the hits....they were all civilian buildings...resturants, apt buidlings, shoes stores....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 08:02:18 AM
this has a more recent history. when israel pulled out of lebanon, alot in israel thought it was a strategic error - that they should have held the territory. it's difficult to say if this is true: if they had held the territory they could have prevented the buildup of short-range rockets that hezbollah has but syria would never have left lebanon. now it looks like israel are going to take it back. they are preparing a land invasion already.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Israel on July 19, 2006, 08:17:10 AM
Although i dont agree with Israel's bullying tactics against Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza, what is wrong with fighting to get back 2 soldiers? Hezbollah kidnapped their soldiers and they shouldn't retaliate? If this was the Hamas then i would understand but did Israel have any recent conflicts with Lebanon to warrant Hezbollah's reaction? But to be honest I don't think this is going to cool down anytime soon.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: redtrinigirl on July 19, 2006, 08:23:25 AM


question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?

There was nothing in her post that implied that she hated white people...where is that question coming from ?

I'm probably being over sensitive, but the reference to the fact that Israel was set up by Britain and other allies, why name Britain specifically.

Also, the Israelis known as White Jews, are they? is there a difference between white and "Non-White" jews? when I was there, it was hard to tell the difference between the jews, the Palestinians and the Beduins by simply looking at them (With obvious exceptions).



Babes, you're being over sensitive. I do not have anything against white people in general, but rather the foreign policies and hypocrisy of the so-called first world. My grandmother and a few other relatives are white. So no, there's nothing personal there.

Further more, because of my upbringing, I have always been fascinated by the book of Revelations. As a result, I have been more than a little curious about things regarding Israel and the middle east. I gues I'm looking to see if any of the signs in the bible are happening.

Anyways, it is a historical fact that the push for the creation of the Israeli state in 1948 was done by the british, and british zionist in particular. The allied forces backed the move eventually.

So I am not singling out britain. Just relating some relevant history. I thought it was common knowledge.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2006, 08:25:56 AM
This going and calm down real soon.

The US and Britain supply Israel with so many weapons that all the middle east countries combined couldnt beat Isreal before...it ended in a few days.  Isreal will kill a few more hundred people then the situation will slowly stop. Israel been waiting for an excuse to do this that is why they going nuts and blaming the situation on kidnapping soldiers.

This can't last even 2 months. Israel will run out of things to bomb.

What ah Holy Land eh ::)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: redtrinigirl on July 19, 2006, 08:30:46 AM
That's not funny.

People dying for what? Because they living in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or because some boleface people want the land they happen to be on?

Life sucks sometimes. :-\
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2006, 08:38:53 AM
That's not funny.

People dying for what? Because they living in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or because some boleface people want the land they happen to be on?

Life sucks sometimes. :-\

Ah hope yuh eh think ah was being funny when ah say they will run out of things to bomb. That is the reality of the situation.  That is why troops are entering the country because after ah while that is the the natural process of war.  Yuh think the US want troops in Iraq....they bomb everything they could already...when only houses left troops follow...and that is where the advantage is lost.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 08:39:37 AM


question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?

There was nothing in her post that implied that she hated white people...where is that question coming from ?

I'm probably being over sensitive, but the reference to the fact that Israel was set up by Britain and other allies, why name Britain specifically.

Also, the Israelis known as White Jews, are they? is there a difference between white and "Non-White" jews? when I was there, it was hard to tell the difference between the jews, the Palestinians and the Beduins by simply looking at them (With obvious exceptions).



Babes, you're being over sensitive. I do not have anything against white people in general, but rather the foreign policies and hypocrisy of the so-called first world. My grandmother and a few other relatives are white. So no, there's nothing personal there.

Further more, because of my upbringing, I have always been fascinated by the book of Revelations. As a result, I have been more than a little curious about things regarding Israel and the middle east. I gues I'm looking to see if any of the signs in the bible are happening.

Anyways, it is a historical fact that the push for the creation of the Israeli state in 1948 was done by the british, and british zionist in particular. The allied forces backed the move eventually.

So I am not singling out britain. Just relating some relevant history. I thought it was common knowledge.

someones been watching Big Brother, Babes ;)

you are right, it was a British solution to the Jewish "Problem" to create a jewish homeland in the middle east. I don't think anyone could have foreseen the Israeli army turnng into an instrument similar to Hitler's reich of the 1930's though.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 08:41:03 AM
Israel supposed to sit back and let terrorists[Hezbollah] , that's right TERRORISTS, just bomb them at will kidnap 2 soldiers and kill another 6 or so in an ambush on ISARAELI soil. Hezbollah operate in a civilian area in southern Lebanon which makes it difficult to get to them [they not dotish]. They hide their rockets and other weapons in peoples houses etc and use them as needed. The Lebanese govt is weak and unable to disarm them [a requirement of the United Nations]. Israel is bombing strategic targets like airports and roads to Syria etc to prevent more weapons from reaching the terrorists. They are also trying to use pinpoint stikrs withn southern lebanon. It is very unfortunate and sad that innocent people are dying but keep in ind Hezbollah are not trying to limit civilian casualties they are actively firing rockets into northern israel with the intention of trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Man give me a break somebody need to take a firm stance against terrorism and it's supporters! BTW there are also a large contingent of 'black' jews from Ethiopia  that some call the 'Lost tribe' I think. I eh no historian.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 08:52:32 AM
Israel supposed to sit back and let terrorists[Hezbollah] , that's right TERRORISTS, just bomb them at will kidnap 2 soldiers and kill another 6 or so in an ambush on ISARAELI soil. Hezbollah operate in a civilian area in southern Lebanon which makes it difficult to get to them [they not dotish]. They hide their rockets and other weapons in peoples houses etc and use them as needed. The Lebanese govt is weak and unable to disarm them [a requirement of the United Nations]. Israel is bombing strategic targets like airports and roads to Syria etc to prevent more weapons from reaching the terrorists. They are also trying to use pinpoint stikrs withn southern lebanon. It is very unfortunate and sad that innocent people are dying but keep in ind Hezbollah are not trying to limit civilian casualties they are actively firing rockets into northern israel with the intention of trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Man give me a break somebody need to take a firm stance against terrorism and it's supporters! BTW there are also a large contingent of 'black' jews from Ethiopia  that some call the 'Lost tribe' I think. I eh no historian.

if the Lebonese army is weak, then Israel should be helping them sort out the problem, not attacking them. If it's needed, then the UN should assist, but Israel have gone over the top this time.

Every bomb that kills a father or mother, creates another supporter for Hezbollah.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Israel on July 19, 2006, 09:31:05 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 09:35:22 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: doc on July 19, 2006, 09:39:54 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: FF on July 19, 2006, 09:43:55 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.

WOW  :o
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 09:47:36 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 09:51:55 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Pompey on July 19, 2006, 09:52:15 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?

what you don't do, is bomb the whole damn street.

Tell me, how many UN resolutions are Israel in breach of at the moment? 70, 80?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
there is no solution, jews and muslims will always fight, jews will always feel they have tuh rule their promised land, their true promised land 2 me is the US, not israel

Historically Jews have been in the middle east as long as the arabs, persians etc. I am using historical not biblical fact. The extremists have no intention of ever living side by side with Jews [since for example Hamas Charter calls for the extinction of the jewish state  etc]
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 09:55:36 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?

what you don't do, is bomb the whole damn street.

Tell me, how many UN resolutions are Israel in breach of at the moment? 70, 80?

israel in violation of plenty un resolutions. what the un doing about it?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: redtrinigirl on July 19, 2006, 09:55:43 AM
What I find interesting in this whole conflict is that both jews and muslims come from the same ancestors, and the same people. They both acknowledge Abraham as their father, the starter of their faiths. They have such similar cultural religious practices. So many similarities. Same people, from same part of the world. But for the sake of religion (or the name of their religions) they are at war. I think sometimes God sits back and wonders what did he do in creating man.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: doc on July 19, 2006, 09:56:15 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.
Your conclusion however is that they deserve to be occupied. But they were until recently when the previous occupiers were forced out. Was a vacuum created for this current onslaught ???
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 09:58:13 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?

what you don't do, is bomb the whole damn street.

Tell me, how many UN resolutions are Israel in breach of at the moment? 70, 80?

So how should Israel react? Sit down and try and 'talk' to these terrorists? Get another useless UN resolution? Give them a prisoner exchange again so they can keep doing it since it seems to work?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 10:00:59 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.
Your conclusion however is that they deserve to be occupied. But they were until recently when the previous occupiers were forced out. Was a vacuum created for this current onslaught ???

hi doc,

did you read reply #19? - this is another view of what happened in recent history.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: redtrinigirl on July 19, 2006, 10:04:19 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?

what you don't do, is bomb the whole damn street.

Tell me, how many UN resolutions are Israel in breach of at the moment? 70, 80?

So how should Israel react? Sit down and try and 'talk' to these terrorists? Get another useless UN resolution? Give them a prisoner exchange again so they can keep doing it since it seems to work?

WHy should they sit and talkto anyone?

Look, either you leave the people's land, or if yuh intend to stay, make up your mind to deal EFFECTIVELY with the conflict. They were going well with their idea of the wall. I think if they decided tokeep the jews inside of a walled state or city and protect themselves, it would have worked. But this constant retaliation, showing dem we badder han bad, that we mean business, all it's doing is creating more "terrorists".

And for your information, terrorism is a matter of perspective. To the israelis they are terrorists. To the palestinians and lebonese who are bombed and persecuted year in and year out, they are freedom fighters.

Cause I telling you right now, if Venezuela invade T&T, under the guise of protecting oil reserves, blah, blah, I for one will fight with everything I've  got to get backmy country, torun the occupiers. How is that different from the palestinians?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 19, 2006, 10:09:10 AM
very simple

terrorist: you kill civilians and start a revoultion (Palestine)
Independence fighter: you kill civilians and start a revoultion (american war of independence)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ttcom on July 19, 2006, 10:13:16 AM
Bush and Blair need to remember that they have troops in Iraq and Afganistan.
When the kidnap american soldiers why didn't Bush order the troops to bomb everything in Iraq.
They send special forces to search for the soldiers.
Israel policy of ten eyes for one aint right.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Filho on July 19, 2006, 10:20:02 AM
I have two views on this, with no one more right than the other.

First you have the Israelis, or the "white Jews" as some call them. First off, they are not Israelis, as in the people in the bible. They are european people who practice the jewish religion, and were "given" a country by the brits and allieds after world war 2, in light of their presecution by the Nazis.

Because of this, you can kind of understand the arab views on them. They are not one of us, never tried to blend in or make friends. Just come in, and displace people who were living in the state of Israel (land anyway) for hundreds of years, all because they had the backing of the americans and brits, etc.

Then add to that the very aggressive and often violent Israeli reaction to every thing done to them. If you had neighbours, who for every inch, they take a yard, would you be able to live in peace with them? The Israelis are just as aggressive and warmongering as their enemies. Their access to advanced weaponry only add to the problem. It's like rocks and grenades versus fighter jets and guided missiles.

Now ask yourself this: if this were any other country, especially a non-first world country, who invaded and started bombing up their neighbours, wouldn't america and britain and NATO have already stepped by now and dealt with it? Makes one wonder. Because Iraq invaded Kuwait, america went to war. Yet the Israelis constantly bomb and invade and occupy their neighbours at will, and no one says boo.

Then on the other hand you have the Palestinians/Lebanese or active terrorist networks. Everybody talks about the suicide bombings and how bad they are to be waging this war on Israel.

Let me ask you this: if your country, or what has been your people's home for hundreds of years, is suddenly occupied by some foreigners, who then make you a second (or even third) class citizen in your own land, make it almost impossible for you to get a good paying job, and then displace you to where ever they feel, bomb you left and right for every protest or act of defiance, what would you do? Would you fight back?

How would you fight back? You don't have any great supply of money to buy weapons. There is an economic embargo on you and your people, because everyone it seems is supporting your occupier in their bid to rid you from the land. What are your options of resistance?

It is a very sad situation, created by the allieds who put europeans in a land that they had no rights too, and displaced a people who are from a culture where they never give up and will fight to the death.

Result? This is never going to stop. The war will rage on. And it will escalate, because the arab community will not stand for seeing their brethren victimized by Israel.

I cannot say one side is right. They are both victims, they are both committing unforgiveable violence because they believe they are right.

Lord help us.

No disrespect RTG, but except for those last couple of statements..did you really present the 2 views as you started off saying you would? I think the history of the situation is irrelevant now, because young Israelis being born today know no other home and feel like they never caused anyone harm...But all their neighbors hate them and would gladly kill them on sight.

Palestinians born today...they live like refugees on what was their land and see the Israelis as a powerful occupying force. Every day is a struggle and any sign of rebellion is met with brutal forceand civialin casualties are the norm. The worst part is both sides hiding behind the BIBLE..and when yuh add religion to the mix...it cyah done until one fall or someone else step in. I think we agree, someone else hadda step in quick or Israel will blast Lebanon back to the ninth century...either that or Iran and co. might jump in and then it will really really really get ugly.

Hezbollah and Israel need to organize a sweat on neutral territory. 11 v 11, extra time and penalties if it tied after the 90. If Hezbollah wins, the kidnapped soldiers have to return to Israeli and resign from the army, and Israel have to stop bombing Lebanon and pay for the damage they cause. If Israel win, they get back their kidnapped soldiers, stop bombing Lebanon, and doh have to fund any damage they cause. Both sides then sign a 5-yr cease fire, plus a rematch for pride. And I eh joking..so doh think I taking it light with the football talk. If US gangs coulda break-dance to solve conflict back in the day...football could solve problems too.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 10:20:31 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?

what you don't do, is bomb the whole damn street.

Tell me, how many UN resolutions are Israel in breach of at the moment? 70, 80?

So how should Israel react? Sit down and try and 'talk' to these terrorists? Get another useless UN resolution? Give them a prisoner exchange again so they can keep doing it since it seems to work?

WHy should they sit and talkto anyone?

Look, either you leave the people's land, or if yuh intend to stay, make up your mind to deal EFFECTIVELY with the conflict. They were going well with their idea of the wall. I think if they decided tokeep the jews inside of a walled state or city and protect themselves, it would have worked. But this constant retaliation, showing dem we badder han bad, that we mean business, all it's doing is creating more "terrorists".

And for your information, terrorism is a matter of perspective. To the israelis they are terrorists. To the palestinians and lebonese who are bombed and persecuted year in and year out, they are freedom fighters.

Cause I telling you right now, if Venezuela invade T&T, under the guise of protecting oil reserves, blah, blah, I for one will fight with everything I've  got to get backmy country, torun the occupiers. How is that different from the palestinians?

U joking right? That is not a good comparison as I said in a previous post Jews have been there as long as the arabs etc. The palestinian state/area etc was part of the Ottoman empire [the turks]  before WWII  etc. Anyway the point is they all live there now and Israel has made attempts at peace by pulling out of gaza as well as southern lebanon. And what do they get? More rockets fired at them, a govt in what will be palestine that has a charter that calls for their destruction, kidnapped soldiers in the north and south? It is not a perfect situation but until the arabs etc realize that they cannot destroy Israel and the only way is to negotiate some sort of peaceful settlement, things will never change. Both Egypt and Jordan recognized that fact and have made peace with Israel.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 10:24:09 AM
I have two views on this, with no one more right than the other.

First you have the Israelis, or the "white Jews" as some call them. First off, they are not Israelis, as in the people in the bible. They are european people who practice the jewish religion, and were "given" a country by the brits and allieds after world war 2, in light of their presecution by the Nazis.

Because of this, you can kind of understand the arab views on them. They are not one of us, never tried to blend in or make friends. Just come in, and displace people who were living in the state of Israel (land anyway) for hundreds of years, all because they had the backing of the americans and brits, etc.

Then add to that the very aggressive and often violent Israeli reaction to every thing done to them. If you had neighbours, who for every inch, they take a yard, would you be able to live in peace with them? The Israelis are just as aggressive and warmongering as their enemies. Their access to advanced weaponry only add to the problem. It's like rocks and grenades versus fighter jets and guided missiles.

Now ask yourself this: if this were any other country, especially a non-first world country, who invaded and started bombing up their neighbours, wouldn't america and britain and NATO have already stepped by now and dealt with it? Makes one wonder. Because Iraq invaded Kuwait, america went to war. Yet the Israelis constantly bomb and invade and occupy their neighbours at will, and no one says boo.

Then on the other hand you have the Palestinians/Lebanese or active terrorist networks. Everybody talks about the suicide bombings and how bad they are to be waging this war on Israel.

Let me ask you this: if your country, or what has been your people's home for hundreds of years, is suddenly occupied by some foreigners, who then make you a second (or even third) class citizen in your own land, make it almost impossible for you to get a good paying job, and then displace you to where ever they feel, bomb you left and right for every protest or act of defiance, what would you do? Would you fight back?

How would you fight back? You don't have any great supply of money to buy weapons. There is an economic embargo on you and your people, because everyone it seems is supporting your occupier in their bid to rid you from the land. What are your options of resistance?

It is a very sad situation, created by the allieds who put europeans in a land that they had no rights too, and displaced a people who are from a culture where they never give up and will fight to the death.

Result? This is never going to stop. The war will rage on. And it will escalate, because the arab community will not stand for seeing their brethren victimized by Israel.

I cannot say one side is right. They are both victims, they are both committing unforgiveable violence because they believe they are right.

Lord help us.

No disrespect RTG, but except for those last couple of statements..did you really present the 2 views as you started off saying you would? I think the history of the situation is irrelevant now, because young Israelis being born today know no other home and feel like they never caused anyone harm...But all their neighbors hate them and would gladly kill them on sight.

Palestinians born today...they live like refugees on what was their land and see the Israelis as a powerful occupying force. Every day is a struggle and any sign of rebellion is met with brutal forceand civialin casualties are the norm. The worst part is both sides hiding behind the BIBLE..and when yuh add religion to the mix...it cyah done until one fall or someone else step in. I think we agree, someone else hadda step in quick or Israel will blast Lebanon back to the ninth century...either that or Iran and co. might jump in and then it will really really really get ugly.

Hezbollah and Israel need to organize a sweat on neutral territory. 11 v 11, extra time and penalties if it tied after the 90. If Hezbollah wins, the kidnapped soldiers have to return to Israeli and resign from the army, and Israel have to stop bombing Lebanon and pay for the damage they cause. If Israel win, they get back their kidnapped soldiers, stop bombing Lebanon, and doh have to fund any damage they cause. Both sides then sign a 5-yr cease fire, plus a rematch for pride. And I eh joking..so doh think I taking it light with the football talk. If US gangs coulda break-dance to solve conflict back in the day...football could solve problems too.


Sweet I like that ,bring it back to the point of this forum. Football. :-)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ttcom on July 19, 2006, 10:43:45 AM
football stop wars
Let Israel and The Palestinians play and the winner gets the spoils. By the way why is Israel playing Uefa? :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2006, 10:44:07 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

Yuh eh serious right ???

Everytime Hezbollah kill 5 Israelis the Israeli military kill bout 50 civilians.

It has been about 10 times as much. How exactly are they trying to limit civilian casualities. You know better than that....ah hope.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 19, 2006, 10:48:45 AM
I not sure if you didnt know but Israel play in UEFA because all other middle east countries refused to play them and also thay have the small problem of crowd trouble
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Andre on July 19, 2006, 10:51:45 AM
that area is a mess. they fighting for land and supposedly religion for yrs. the innocent will continue to die while the arms dealers get richer.

DER FUHRER (DUBYA) WILL SAVE US ALL!

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Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 10:54:26 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

Yuh eh serious right ???

Everytime Hezbollah kill 5 Israelis the Israeli military kill bout 50 civilians.

It has been about 10 times as much. How exactly are they trying to limit civilian casualities. You know better than that....ah hope.

Well you right on that, but I meant it in terms of the actual targets and the number of civilians that could be killed if no caution was taken. When you look at the scale of the military action a lot more civilians could be injured. If you stop and look at things objectively you will see that Israel [whether you agree with them or not] are taking measures to try to secure the safety of their people. The terrorist organizations on the other hand intentionally target civilians for maximum emotional effect. A soldier blowing up a a building housing a terrorist leader with a satelite guided missile versus just dropping bombs on the whole strett is different to a lunatic going into a crowded market with women, children, old people and blowing him[or her] self up. I hope you understand the difference.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 10:59:26 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

Yuh eh serious right ???

Everytime Hezbollah kill 5 Israelis the Israeli military kill bout 50 civilians.

It has been about 10 times as much. How exactly are they trying to limit civilian casualities. You know better than that....ah hope.

TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 19, 2006, 11:01:00 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2006, 11:07:11 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

Nah that is more like FOX News
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dinho on July 19, 2006, 11:09:12 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

for real, time to watch some al jazeera, some independent forums and blogs to get the other side of the argument...

not that CNN force-feed sh*t, which will tell you today that Israel incurred "minor casualties" in today's ground invasion, when the truth is hezbollah give dem some tempo on de border...
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2006, 11:09:46 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

Yuh eh serious right ???

Everytime Hezbollah kill 5 Israelis the Israeli military kill bout 50 civilians.

It has been about 10 times as much. How exactly are they trying to limit civilian casualities. You know better than that....ah hope.

TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.

Ah guess that was the logic for bombing the Airport. The civilians won't escape so Hezbollah would have the maximum number of civilians at their disposal
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 11:13:15 AM
true, israel destroying infrastructure and killing civilians as well. ah not saying they not doing this. they are.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 19, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
*munch munch chew*

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Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 19, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
so Dutty, it's past noon - yuh could take a drink now too  :beermug:  :beermug:

 ;D

according to the FIFA site, there was a WAFF championship scheduled to be played in Beirut next week. alot of middle eastern countries was scheduled to play. probably alot of them are stuck in lebanon or decided to cancel last minute. well, dem was never good at football anyway.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 19, 2006, 12:59:11 PM

Dutty yuh working in a museum?
Where yuh find dat calculator?   :rotfl:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: FF on July 19, 2006, 01:03:29 PM

Dutty yuh working in a museum?
Where yuh find dat calculator?   :rotfl:

I have one jess so on my desk...  >:(

doh study he Dutty.... how else yuh could run ah lil tape?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on July 19, 2006, 01:16:53 PM
All in Isreal is not Isreal, when the US see that the jews are a bad bargin, just like bin laden and saddam, then in the end the US will bomb Isreal, Isreal already forsees this and knows what time it is and have things in place the surprise everybody world wide,so Dutty pass de chips because de party now start.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 19, 2006, 01:22:23 PM

Dutty yuh working in a museum?
Where yuh find dat calculator?   :rotfl:

I have one jess so on my desk...  >:(

doh study he Dutty.... how else yuh could run ah lil tape?

tell dem doctor TELL dem.....dem relic could take real fall from desk everyday and tape still wukkin

nobody cyah get de chips yet...ah still readin allyuh ahm 'dissertations'
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: TrinInfinite on July 19, 2006, 01:23:37 PM

Dutty yuh working in a museum?
Where yuh find dat calculator?   :rotfl:

I have one jess so on my desk...  >:(

doh study he Dutty.... how else yuh could run ah lil tape?

tell dem doctor TELL dem.....dem relic could take real fall from desk everyday and tape still wukkin

nobody cyah get de chips yet...ah still readin allyuh ahm 'dissertations'

yuh have a doctor who time machine dey too dutty and angelina jolie :devil:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: lickslikefire on July 19, 2006, 01:25:29 PM
All in Isreal is not Isreal, when the US see that the jews are a bad bargin, just like bin laden and saddam, then in the end the US will bomb Isreal, Isreal already forsees this and knows what time it is and have things in place the surprise everybody world wide,so Dutty pass de chips because de party now start.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:....wayz.... :o....meh belly hurting.....where yuh come up wid dis shit from dred.....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 01:33:02 PM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

WTF? 231 Lebanese have been killed compared to 13 Israelis, what are you talking bout? And let's not even begin to compare the Palestine/Israeli death count.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 01:35:01 PM
there is no solution, jews and muslims will always fight, jews will always feel they have tuh rule their promised land, their true promised land 2 me is the US, not israel

Historically Jews have been in the middle east as long as the arabs, persians etc. I am using historical not biblical fact. The extremists have no intention of ever living side by side with Jews [since for example Hamas Charter calls for the extinction of the jewish state  etc]

Oh, yeah, so it's the Palestinians' fault that they've been usurped of their sovereignity, is it?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on July 19, 2006, 01:45:11 PM
All in Isreal is not Isreal, when the US see that the jews are a bad bargin, just like bin laden and saddam, then in the end the US will bomb Isreal, Isreal already forsees this and knows what time it is and have things in place the surprise everybody world wide,so Dutty pass de chips because de party now start.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:....wayz.... :o....meh belly hurting.....where yuh come up wid dis shit from dred.....

licks once upon a time bin laden an saddam an de US was best ah buddies, the love went sour an look where they is today, an yuh belly must hurt because de truth does hurt....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 02:25:30 PM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

WTF? 231 Lebanese have been killed compared to 13 Israelis, what are you talking bout? And let's not even begin to compare the Palestine/Israeli death count.

I meant it in a more general sense over the years, but you are right a disproportionate number of civilains have been killed. What would you suggest Israel do? Moving out of southern Lebanon seems to have hurt them more than help them. Look I am just giving another perspective people are always quick to attack the Us and Israel but no one ever seems to put any blame on the palestinians, hezbollah etc. More than 14000 Iragis for instance have been killed in non U.S. related violence [i.e. Sunnis etc killing shites and vice versa]. Where is all the worldwide outrage over that??? No everyone only talking about AMerica this and George Bush that [btw I am not saying I agree with that war so doh worry wit dat]. The situation in the middle east is a bad one and it is always sad to see innocent people do. But again what should Israel do??
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: lickslikefire on July 19, 2006, 02:27:15 PM
All in Isreal is not Isreal, when the US see that the jews are a bad bargin, just like bin laden and saddam, then in the end the US will bomb Isreal, Isreal already forsees this and knows what time it is and have things in place the surprise everybody world wide,so Dutty pass de chips because de party now start.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:....wayz.... :o....meh belly hurting.....where yuh come up wid dis shit from dred.....

licks once upon a time bin laden an saddam an de US was best ah buddies, the love went sour an look where they is today, an yuh belly must hurt because de truth does hurt....
breds...I realize dat once upon time Bin Ladden and Saddam buy dey guns from de US....

but yuh have to realize that the US will always look out for themselves......they initially sell guns to dem to make a profit, not realizing dem same "terrorists" would be fighting dem in the future

Israel is totally different dred....yuh forgetting jewish influence in de States and the power they have.....I think it's obvious how much influence the wealthy jews have in the US now and in de future, thus if the US do as usual(look out for themselves), they will never bomb Israel....hence my amusement from yuh last post.....no disrepeck intended....i just thought it was hilarious, since I think the US will never ever bomb Israel, strictly because ah politics....... :beermug:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 02:28:40 PM
there is no solution, jews and muslims will always fight, jews will always feel they have tuh rule their promised land, their true promised land 2 me is the US, not israel

Historically Jews have been in the middle east as long as the arabs, persians etc. I am using historical not biblical fact. The extremists have no intention of ever living side by side with Jews [since for example Hamas Charter calls for the extinction of the jewish state  etc]

Oh, yeah, so it's the Palestinians' fault that they've been usurped of their sovereignity, is it?

Relax all I saying is there could be peace tomorrow if everyone was willing to come to the table. If you want to be vex with people who screw the 'Palestinians' then add Jordan, Egypt, Turkey to the list. If you don't know why then do some research before yer start attacking only one group.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 19, 2006, 02:31:44 PM
mmmm hmmm *munch*

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Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 02:33:50 PM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

WTF? 231 Lebanese have been killed compared to 13 Israelis, what are you talking bout? And let's not even begin to compare the Palestine/Israeli death count.

I meant it in a more general sense over the years, but you are right a disproportionate number of civilains have been killed. What would you suggest Israel do? Moving out of southern Lebanon seems to have hurt them more than help them. Look I am just giving another perspective people are always quick to attack the Us and Israel but no one ever seems to put any blame on the palestinians, hezbollah etc. More than 14000 Iragis for instance have been killed in non U.S. related violence [i.e. Sunnis etc killing shites and vice versa]. Where is all the worldwide outrage over that??? No everyone only talking about AMerica this and George Bush that [btw I am not saying I agree with that war so doh worry wit dat]. The situation in the middle east is a bad one and it is always sad to see innocent people do. But again what should Israel do??

After the state of Israel was created, why have Israel continued to force their way into Palestinian land and occupying it? I once saw a map showing what was originally meant to be the size of Israel and what Israel has become today and the encroachment on Palestinian land is astonishing. So your question shouldn't be what should Israel do but what should the Palestinians do. They should just lay down and let Israel wipe out their existence, right? I guess it's only terrorism when you use suicide bombers, but it isn't terrorism when you use State of the Art military technology to occupy and murder. And you speak about the abysmal conditions in Iraq at the moment, but would any of that have occurred if the US had not invaded?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 02:35:05 PM
there is no solution, jews and muslims will always fight, jews will always feel they have tuh rule their promised land, their true promised land 2 me is the US, not israel

Historically Jews have been in the middle east as long as the arabs, persians etc. I am using historical not biblical fact. The extremists have no intention of ever living side by side with Jews [since for example Hamas Charter calls for the extinction of the jewish state  etc]

Oh, yeah, so it's the Palestinians' fault that they've been usurped of their sovereignity, is it?

Relax all I saying is there could be peace tomorrow if everyone was willing to come to the table. If you want to be vex with people who screw the 'Palestinians' then add Jordan, Egypt, Turkey to the list. If you don't know why then do some research before yer start attacking only one group.


You were the one attacking so maybe you should be the one doing the research.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 02:41:43 PM
No sah. I am giving a perspective that you disagree with. Which is fine.  Trust me I don't need to do much more research but a man can never know everything. One of the main reasons Israel changed in size is because of a number of wars that it fought when attacked by it's 'loving neighbors'. Again it is sad the life that many people over there have to live [on all sides] but don't be so blind to think that everything is Israel fault and everyone else is innocent. There is plenty of blame to go around.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 02:55:56 PM
No sah. I am giving a perspective that you disagree with. Which is fine.  Trust me I don't need to do much more research but a man can never know everything. One of the main reasons Israel changed in size is because of a number of wars that it fought when attacked by it's 'loving neighbors'. Again it is sad the life that many people over there have to live [on all sides] but don't be so blind to think that everything is Israel fault and everyone else is innocent. There is plenty of blame to go around.

There is plenty blame to go round, right. I see you've changed your tune from earlier.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 19, 2006, 03:07:11 PM
No sah. I am giving a perspective that you disagree with. Which is fine.  Trust me I don't need to do much more research but a man can never know everything. One of the main reasons Israel changed in size is because of a number of wars that it fought when attacked by it's 'loving neighbors'. Again it is sad the life that many people over there have to live [on all sides] but don't be so blind to think that everything is Israel fault and everyone else is innocent. There is plenty of blame to go around.

There is plenty blame to go round, right. I see you've changed your tune from earlier.

Doh get tie up, I eh changing no tune I never said only Palestinians to blame [ you might have determined that on your own from readin my posts, but never said or meant that]. I am just one of those that are not willing to blame Israel for everything going on over there and give hezbollah, hamas, palestinianse etc a pass on everything they did and do under the pretense of [they only fighting for their homeland BS]. ANyway i fighting a losing battle trying to show that.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
No sah. I am giving a perspective that you disagree with. Which is fine.  Trust me I don't need to do much more research but a man can never know everything. One of the main reasons Israel changed in size is because of a number of wars that it fought when attacked by it's 'loving neighbors'. Again it is sad the life that many people over there have to live [on all sides] but don't be so blind to think that everything is Israel fault and everyone else is innocent. There is plenty of blame to go around.

There is plenty blame to go round, right. I see you've changed your tune from earlier.

Doh get tie up, I eh changing no tune I never said only Palestinians to blame [ you might have determined that on your own from readin my posts, but never said or meant that]. I am just one of those that are not willing to blame Israel for everything going on over there and give hezbollah, hamas, palestinianse etc a pass on everything they did and do under the pretense of [they only fighting for their homeland BS]. ANyway i fighting a losing battle trying to show that.

Okay so since it's only a pretence, what are the Palestineans really fighting for?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: berris on July 19, 2006, 04:27:14 PM
Moderators shouldn't this topic be on another forum ? ??? ???
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Feliziano on July 19, 2006, 08:11:37 PM
i suprised this topic took so long to show up on the board...ah was thinking bout starting it last week but ah didnt want certain people to say ah against Jews or Palestines lol.

Them 2 sides will always battle..this will go on till we reach Armageddon.
As someone said, the other arab nations robbed Palestine of some land when they had the last major war, this was when they ganged up on Israel.
This time Israel was just itching for an excuse to make trouble, to put Lebanon back into the doldrums. That country just get back on their feet after 20 years of war, then everything get destroyed again..that real hard to swallow.
All i can say is let Israel continue with their indescretion and the rest of the world will see them for who they truly are. America have they head up Israel arse so far it ent even funny, look how Bush fraid to even scold them lol.
Allyuh ever notice when Fox and CNN interview anybody Arabic how they does grill them and try to put words in their mouth? Then when the Israeli person get interviewed they all nice nicey and sympathetic.
I must say it was nice of CNN to go into Lebanon the other night with the Hezbollah official and do a tour of all the civilian damage.

Anybody know what Nostradamus have to say bout this and the middle east conflict?..all i could remeber was that Israel has to built a temple somewhere in palestine and then that will single the end of the world etc..but then when yuh check it out..the site of that proposed temple is actually the site of an important mosque..talk bout pressure if yuh is the anti-Christ eh?lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Feliziano on July 19, 2006, 08:16:06 PM
yuh know ah always used to wonder if Hitler knew something we didnt concerning them Jews?
maybe he foresaw all this shit?..and ah not trying to give him credit btw.
what was his reasons for trying to exterminate Jews?..ah cant remember.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 19, 2006, 08:22:13 PM
This is a dumb question but I will ask anyway.

Israel going and pay for the infrustructure damage to the airports etc?
Cuz I doh think they officially at war with the Lebanese government so I doh think the Lebanese military (if that exist) doing anything.

How does this war ting work....if yuh get bomb yuh hadda fix yuh own damages?  Does the UN help or what....they whole place getting mash up.

They say Israel stands to benefit by having a strong Lebanese government but that not looking likely now   :-\

This not proportionate to 2 soldiers being kidnapped....I believe that would be the majority "world" opinion.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 19, 2006, 08:26:23 PM
yuh know ah always used to wonder if Hitler knew something we didnt concerning them Jews?
maybe he foresaw all this shit?..and ah not trying to give him credit btw.
what was his reasons for trying to exterminate Jews?..ah cant remember.

Aye...careful...yuh treading some dangerous waters.
The iranian prez say the holocaust didn't happen (a conspiracy theorist make prez yes!).

This is happening because one group have more fire power than the other...simple. 
If it was the other way around same ting would be happening if not worse.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: trinbago on July 19, 2006, 08:28:48 PM
Moderators..please move this thread to the general discussion
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: doc on July 19, 2006, 08:32:52 PM
yuh know ah always used to wonder if Hitler knew something we didnt concerning them Jews?
maybe he foresaw all this shit?..and ah not trying to give him credit btw.
what was his reasons for trying to exterminate Jews?..ah cant remember.

Aye...careful...yuh treading some dangerous waters.
The iranian prez say the holocaust didn't happen (a conspiracy theorist make prez yes!).

This is happening because one group have more fire power than the other...simple. 
If it was the other way around same ting would be happening if not worse.

History is like that. In the academic arena, the is room for dissenting/revisionism to history. The exploding of myths :devil:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: berris on July 19, 2006, 08:56:53 PM
Moderators..please move this thread to the general discussion

I call for that already but ah guess dey seeing de football part of it ....gehing dey kicks nah  :rotfl:

moderators ah jes playing bros  ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 09:28:59 PM
i suprised this topic took so long to show up on the board...ah was thinking bout starting it last week but ah didnt want certain people to say ah against Jews or Palestines lol.

Them 2 sides will always battle..this will go on till we reach Armageddon.
As someone said, the other arab nations robbed Palestine of some land when they had the last major war, this was when they ganged up on Israel.
This time Israel was just itching for an excuse to make trouble, to put Lebanon back into the doldrums. That country just get back on their feet after 20 years of war, then everything get destroyed again..that real hard to swallow.
All i can say is let Israel continue with their indescretion and the rest of the world will see them for who they truly are. America have they head up Israel arse so far it ent even funny, look how Bush fraid to even scold them lol.
Allyuh ever notice when Fox and CNN interview anybody Arabic how they does grill them and try to put words in their mouth? Then when the Israeli person get interviewed they all nice nicey and sympathetic.
I must say it was nice of CNN to go into Lebanon the other night with the Hezbollah official and do a tour of all the civilian damage.

Anybody know what Nostradamus have to say bout this and the middle east conflict?..all i could remeber was that Israel has to built a temple somewhere in palestine and then that will single the end of the world etc..but then when yuh check it out..the site of that proposed temple is actually the site of an important mosque..talk bout pressure if yuh is the anti-Christ eh?lol


Allyuh is kicks, oui! LOL!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 19, 2006, 09:30:44 PM
De thread bothering allyuh, ah wha'? steupsss
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2006, 12:27:05 AM
All in Isreal is not Isreal, when the US see that the jews are a bad bargin, just like bin laden and saddam, then in the end the US will bomb Isreal, Isreal already forsees this and knows what time it is and have things in place the surprise everybody world wide,so Dutty pass de chips because de party now start.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:....wayz.... :o....meh belly hurting.....where yuh come up wid dis shit from dred.....

licks once upon a time bin laden an saddam an de US was best ah buddies, the love went sour an look where they is today, an yuh belly must hurt because de truth does hurt....
breds...I realize dat once upon time Bin Ladden and Saddam buy dey guns from de US....

but yuh have to realize that the US will always look out for themselves......they initially sell guns to dem to make a profit, not realizing dem same "terrorists" would be fighting dem in the future
Israel is totally different dred....yuh forgetting jewish influence in de States and the power they have.....I think it's obvious how much influence the wealthy jews have in the US now and in de future, thus if the US do as usual(look out for themselves), they will never bomb Israel....hence my amusement from yuh last post.....no disrepeck intended....i just thought it was hilarious, since I think the US will never ever bomb Israel, strictly because ah politics....... :beermug:

Bin Laden didn't buy guns from the US.  He and the Mujahadeen were GIVEN weapons.  That was NOT done for profit...it was done because the Mujahadeen were fighting the Soviet Union and by extention fighting the US war on the Soviet Union.  Don't know where you came up with that but you are way off.

And on Saddam issue it was also more to do with Iran and the fact that they were/are fundamentalist while Saddam was more American than Arab.  So they USED Saddam to fight their war against Iran. Over 1 million people were killed on both sides.

There are many other wars that have been waged worldwide that has America's finger print.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2006, 12:36:56 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

WTF? 231 Lebanese have been killed compared to 13 Israelis, what are you talking bout? And let's not even begin to compare the Palestine/Israeli death count.

I meant it in a more general sense over the years, but you are right a disproportionate number of civilains have been killed. What would you suggest Israel do? Moving out of southern Lebanon seems to have hurt them more than help them. Look I am just giving another perspective people are always quick to attack the Us and Israel but no one ever seems to put any blame on the palestinians, hezbollah etc. More than 14000 Iragis for instance have been killed in non U.S. related violence [i.e. Sunnis etc killing shites and vice versa]. Where is all the worldwide outrage over that??? No everyone only talking about AMerica this and George Bush that [btw I am not saying I agree with that war so doh worry wit dat]. The situation in the middle east is a bad one and it is always sad to see innocent people do. But again what should Israel do??

There is NO disputing the fact that thousands of Iraqis who have died, are dying or wounded is a DIRECT result of the US being in Iraq.  There isn't the worldwide outrage you are looking for because the world is aware of that fact. 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 12:37:42 AM
So all this is Hezbollah's fault ?

You tell me?

Dey just go in there take 2 Isreali soldiers and talking bout we wanna exchange them for prisoners. You tell me?

Everytime they are asked will they return the hostages they never answer the question. I think the soldiers are dead infact.

You show me how it is not their fault when you initiate an unprovoked kidnapping?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 12:41:56 AM
I have two views on this, with no one more right than the other.

First you have the Israelis, or the "white Jews" as some call them. First off, they are not Israelis, as in the people in the bible. They are european people who practice the jewish religion, and were "given" a country by the brits and allieds after world war 2, in light of their presecution by the Nazis.

Because of this, you can kind of understand the arab views on them. They are not one of us, never tried to blend in or make friends. Just come in, and displace people who were living in the state of Israel (land anyway) for hundreds of years, all because they had the backing of the americans and brits, etc.

Then add to that the very aggressive and often violent Israeli reaction to every thing done to them. If you had neighbours, who for every inch, they take a yard, would you be able to live in peace with them? The Israelis are just as aggressive and warmongering as their enemies. Their access to advanced weaponry only add to the problem. It's like rocks and grenades versus fighter jets and guided missiles.

Now ask yourself this: if this were any other country, especially a non-first world country, who invaded and started bombing up their neighbours, wouldn't america and britain and NATO have already stepped by now and dealt with it? Makes one wonder. Because Iraq invaded Kuwait, america went to war. Yet the Israelis constantly bomb and invade and occupy their neighbours at will, and no one says boo.

Then on the other hand you have the Palestinians/Lebanese or active terrorist networks. Everybody talks about the suicide bombings and how bad they are to be waging this war on Israel.

Let me ask you this: if your country, or what has been your people's home for hundreds of years, is suddenly occupied by some foreigners, who then make you a second (or even third) class citizen in your own land, make it almost impossible for you to get a good paying job, and then displace you to where ever they feel, bomb you left and right for every protest or act of defiance, what would you do? Would you fight back?

How would you fight back? You don't have any great supply of money to buy weapons. There is an economic embargo on you and your people, because everyone it seems is supporting your occupier in their bid to rid you from the land. What are your options of resistance?

It is a very sad situation, created by the allieds who put europeans in a land that they had no rights too, and displaced a people who are from a culture where they never give up and will fight to the death.

Result? This is never going to stop. The war will rage on. And it will escalate, because the arab community will not stand for seeing their brethren victimized by Israel.

I cannot say one side is right. They are both victims, they are both committing unforgiveable violence because they believe they are right.

Lord help us.

Apparently you don't know the history of the 2 brothers.

This will never end. they will never live in peace. Read and study the true history of these nations from the origin of the 2 brothers then speak with knowledge. Not sausage.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 12:44:07 AM
:applause: :applause: :applause:. My biggest hear is that, if it escalates to Syria and Iran start supplying them with missiles. If Israel back is against the wall they'll go nuke. US may wont to deploy troops to save Israel ass. I have already spoke out at my unit that I am not fighting no war for Israel. Been to Kuwait and Iraq but hell go freeze over before I go defend Israel.

Yet another that does not know the history of the 2 brothers. You still my boy though ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 12:46:00 AM


question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?

There was nothing in her post that implied that she hated white people...where is that question coming from ?

I'm probably being over sensitive, but the reference to the fact that Israel was set up by Britain and other allies, why name Britain specifically.

Also, the Israelis known as White Jews, are they? is there a difference between white and "Non-White" jews? when I was there, it was hard to tell the difference between the jews, the Palestinians and the Beduins by simply looking at them (With obvious exceptions).



Alot of PPL talk only what they heard not what they experienced and learned. Ignorance is a vital factor here.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 12:51:19 AM
So Pompey, you are my neighbour and you have no control over your son and he want to come over in my house and disrespect me and my family and the police (UN) not doing a damn thing. What amI supposed to do?

Dont for get your son came iinto his yard and stole his property. Come to my house and do that I will kill. I will go after you and your son becuase you can't control your son I will help you and teach you in the process.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 12:54:53 AM
What I find interesting in this whole conflict is that both jews and muslims come from the same ancestors, and the same people. They both acknowledge Abraham as their father, the starter of their faiths. They have such similar cultural religious practices. So many similarities. Same people, from same part of the world. But for the sake of religion (or the name of their religions) they are at war. I think sometimes God sits back and wonders what did he do in creating man.

He never sits back and wonder. All this was ordained from the creation of the earth.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:01:40 AM
israel is responsible for israel. lebanon is responsible for lebanon. if lebanon cyah (or doh want to) stop hezbollah, then lebanon deserve to be occupied.
I hope that eh an original thought :-[ :frustrated:

i argued about this from both side with a few of my very well-informed friends. i've read quite a few books on the issue as well from both sides. my thinking has also changed over the last several years from idealistism to more recently pragmatism. i don't see a clean solution ever in this conflict.

I agree there  does not seem to be a 'clean' solution. In the end we all have to look out for our own. At least Israel tries to limit civilian casualities, no such luck with Hezbollah, Hamas etc, etc.

Yuh eh serious right ???

Everytime Hezbollah kill 5 Israelis the Israeli military kill bout 50 civilians.

It has been about 10 times as much. How exactly are they trying to limit civilian casualities. You know better than that....ah hope.

Well you right on that, but I meant it in terms of the actual targets and the number of civilians that could be killed if no caution was taken. When you look at the scale of the military action a lot more civilians could be injured. If you stop and look at things objectively you will see that Israel [whether you agree with them or not] are taking measures to try to secure the safety of their people. The terrorist organizations on the other hand intentionally target civilians for maximum emotional effect. A soldier blowing up a a building housing a terrorist leader with a satelite guided missile versus just dropping bombs on the whole strett is different to a lunatic going into a crowded market with women, children, old people and blowing him[or her] self up. I hope you understand the difference.

Agreed
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:05:40 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

for real, time to watch some al jazeera, some independent forums and blogs to get the other side of the argument...

not that CNN force-feed sh*t, which will tell you today that Israel incurred "minor casualties" in today's ground invasion, when the truth is hezbollah give dem some tempo on de border...

Yeah like IRAQI foreign minister saying on ARAB News that thhe US was falling like dogs when they invaded. Yeah like their news is not Biased. I liked seeing him on news. " The occupiers are running with their tales between thier legs like wounded dogs" He said.  Remember that? Al Jazeera my A@@
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: michimausi on July 20, 2006, 01:14:25 AM
What I find interesting in this whole conflict is that both jews and muslims come from the same ancestors, and the same people. They both acknowledge Abraham as their father, the starter of their faiths. They have such similar cultural religious practices. So many similarities. Same people, from same part of the world. But for the sake of religion (or the name of their religions) they are at war. I think sometimes God sits back and wonders what did he do in creating man.

Sad to say, but perhaps human beings should have never evolved at all...  :(
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:14:40 AM
No sah. I am giving a perspective that you disagree with. Which is fine.  Trust me I don't need to do much more research but a man can never know everything. One of the main reasons Israel changed in size is because of a number of wars that it fought when attacked by it's 'loving neighbors'. Again it is sad the life that many people over there have to live [on all sides] but don't be so blind to think that everything is Israel fault and everyone else is innocent. There is plenty of blame to go around.

AGREED
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: rasajoy on July 20, 2006, 01:17:39 AM
To be honest with you what is happening is fullfilment of bible prophecy about Israel and her neighbors :angel:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:18:39 AM
yuh know ah always used to wonder if Hitler knew something we didnt concerning them Jews?
maybe he foresaw all this shit?..and ah not trying to give him credit btw.
what was his reasons for trying to exterminate Jews?..ah cant remember.

You know you are out there with this one.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:20:11 AM
Alot of PPL talking from what they say they read in Revelations Maybe they should start to read the BIBLE from Genisis where it all began. It will never end until the HIS RETURN
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dinho on July 20, 2006, 02:15:33 AM
Seems this is now a historian/bible-knowing/social studies contest going on here...

everyone bawling, go and read yuh history books and then talk... check revelations... check de factors behind.. you don't know what you talking about i know..

since allyuh know everything post some flecking links and educate all ah we nuh..
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 20, 2006, 03:02:59 AM
people can buy this book

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0688123627/102-9507587-7648161?v=glance&n=283155

it's a long and in depth read but it would allow correction of the spectactular ignorance displayed by some posters here. It is relatively unbiased and will allow readers a good understanding of the conflict and its origins.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 03:21:43 AM
Please remember we must go back beyond David Ben-Gurion (Isreals first prime minister) times. before the Ottoman Empire. Question is who lived there before Syria and Palestine was formed. And the Expulsion of the Jews around 70AD. 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 20, 2006, 03:40:14 AM
yes this essentially is the problem that one cannot go back 2,000 years.
Otherwise the American Indians would have as much right to tell all americans to get the hell off their land, and the amerindians, and the Caribs, and the maoiri, and the saxons, and the goths, and the vandals, and the celts etc etc etc
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 03:42:35 AM
Not being a smart ass here but, your point is?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 20, 2006, 04:25:35 AM
That when people discuss the issue and people say the Israelis stole the land the standard rebuttal is the Jews were there first and were expelled. My point is that one cannot go back 2,000 years for justification otherwise so many other people could use the same line.
So many americans defend Israel's right to take the occupied territories due to this historical fact. Thats when I point out they (American ancestors) stole their land from the American Indians and the Mexicans,I then ask them if they will support Mexico's historical right to take back New Mexico and Texas and the American Indians right to take back their whole dam country, its normally at that point they get quiet and then says thats different ! How I dont know ?
this is why Israel and Palestine have to deal with the here and now and recent history which starts back in 1870's for its creation.
i am looking to get an expedition force of Amerindians from Guyana to take back Trinidad as its righfully there own. I am sure the USA will be willing to give me $2.6 billion in military aid a year to acheive my objectives
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Feliziano on July 20, 2006, 04:52:14 AM

i am looking to get an expedition force of Amerindians from Guyana to take back Trinidad as its righfully there own. I am sure the USA will be willing to give me $2.6 billion in military aid a year to acheive my objectives
good one Ollie  :rotfl:
yuh have meh choking on meh cereal this morning lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Feliziano on July 20, 2006, 04:53:08 AM
What I find interesting in this whole conflict is that both jews and muslims come from the same ancestors, and the same people. They both acknowledge Abraham as their father, the starter of their faiths. They have such similar cultural religious practices. So many similarities. Same people, from same part of the world. But for the sake of religion (or the name of their religions) they are at war. I think sometimes God sits back and wonders what did he do in creating man.

Sad to say, but perhaps human beings should have never evolved at all...  :(
lemme see how much blows yuh going to get today for that statement lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Feliziano on July 20, 2006, 04:54:18 AM
Please remember we must go back beyond David Ben-Gurion (Isreals first prime minister) times. before the Ottoman Empire. Question is who lived there before Syria and Palestine was formed. And the Expulsion of the Jews around 70AD. 
wait nah..who was it that expulsed the Jews in the first place?lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: michimausi on July 20, 2006, 05:10:11 AM
What I find interesting in this whole conflict is that both jews and muslims come from the same ancestors, and the same people. They both acknowledge Abraham as their father, the starter of their faiths. They have such similar cultural religious practices. So many similarities. Same people, from same part of the world. But for the sake of religion (or the name of their religions) they are at war. I think sometimes God sits back and wonders what did he do in creating man.

Sad to say, but perhaps human beings should have never evolved at all...  :(
lemme see how much blows yuh going to get today for that statement lol
Even if...that's o.k.  I can live with it...and who knows?  The harder the blows, the more I just might think I could be right...  :)  What I wrote (above) is actually only a quote from a song from one of my favorite bands, Dystopia (I guess, for legal reasons, I should mention this...) Didn't mean to insult anyone in person, only mankind in general... ;)  Actually this was not really meant 100% seriously, but in every joke or sarcastic statement ther is always a tiny bit of truth/honesty...nonetheless, don't take it too seriously... ;)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: oconnorg on July 20, 2006, 05:45:35 AM
Read Some history Here People (http://www.historyguy.com/israel-lebanon_conflict.html)

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 06:00:33 AM
That when people discuss the issue and people say the Israelis stole the land the standard rebuttal is the Jews were there first and were expelled. My point is that one cannot go back 2,000 years for justification otherwise so many other people could use the same line.
So many americans defend Israel's right to take the occupied territories due to this historical fact. Thats when I point out they (American ancestors) stole their land from the American Indians and the Mexicans,I then ask them if they will support Mexico's historical right to take back New Mexico and Texas and the American Indians right to take back their whole dam country, its normally at that point they get quiet and then says thats different ! How I dont know ?
this is why Israel and Palestine have to deal with the here and now and recent history which starts back in 1870's for its creation.
i am looking to get an expedition force of Amerindians from Guyana to take back Trinidad as its righfully there own. I am sure the USA will be willing to give me $2.6 billion in military aid a year to acheive my objectives

Okay the present deal is that unprovoked, Hezbullah entered Israel teritory kidnapped two soldiers. The Lebanon Government is doing nothing to help return the soldiers and Israel has gone in to bring it's sons home.

Please remember that history is all these cultures have their present is built on their history. As we might say move on it is easier said than done. These 2 brothers shall forever fight.

Hezbullah Fires wildly thier rockets in to Israel northern cities simply carelessly firing, while Israel fires targeted shots.

Israel ensures the safty of it's PPL by providing them bunkers while Hezbullah uses their PPL as their shield.

When asked why not just return the soldiers they never reply you know why? Well I believe it's because they are asshamed to let the trueth be know that the soldiers have been murdered.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 06:02:57 AM
Please remember we must go back beyond David Ben-Gurion (Isreals first prime minister) times. before the Ottoman Empire. Question is who lived there before Syria and Palestine was formed. And the Expulsion of the Jews around 70AD. 
wait nah..who was it that expulsed the Jews in the first place?lol

This happened under the Roman Empire. The Jews could not fight them back. they were to powerfull.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 20, 2006, 06:34:44 AM

This war will not stop as long as the palestinians have a discountinous country.....one piece here...ah next piece there.

I will hadda read up on this but no way that going to work.
Unfortunate.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 07:35:22 AM
This is a dumb question but I will ask anyway.

Israel going and pay for the infrustructure damage to the airports etc?
Cuz I doh think they officially at war with the Lebanese government so I doh think the Lebanese military (if that exist) doing anything.

How does this war ting work....if yuh get bomb yuh hadda fix yuh own damages?  Does the UN help or what....they whole place getting mash up.

They say Israel stands to benefit by having a strong Lebanese government but that not looking likely now   :-\

This not proportionate to 2 soldiers being kidnapped....I believe that would be the majority "world" opinion.

i wondering about this too. after egypt signed treaty with israel, they must have had clauses in the treaty with regards to reparations. same thing with jordan and israel. egypt and israel get alot of aid from the usa (disproportionate to all the other countries save pakistan) - both of these countries factor into the usa's plans for the region anyway. with lebanon, there hasn't really been a treaty process. i think lebanon relies on aid or loans from europe and non-us sources, so they handling the costs themselves.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 08:09:52 AM
That when people discuss the issue and people say the Israelis stole the land the standard rebuttal is the Jews were there first and were expelled. My point is that one cannot go back 2,000 years for justification otherwise so many other people could use the same line.
So many americans defend Israel's right to take the occupied territories due to this historical fact. Thats when I point out they (American ancestors) stole their land from the American Indians and the Mexicans,I then ask them if they will support Mexico's historical right to take back New Mexico and Texas and the American Indians right to take back their whole dam country, its normally at that point they get quiet and then says thats different ! How I dont know ?
this is why Israel and Palestine have to deal with the here and now and recent history which starts back in 1870's for its creation.
i am looking to get an expedition force of Amerindians from Guyana to take back Trinidad as its righfully there own. I am sure the USA will be willing to give me $2.6 billion in military aid a year to acheive my objectives

Okay the present deal is that unprovoked, Hezbullah entered Israel teritory kidnapped two soldiers. The Lebanon Government is doing nothing to help return the soldiers and Israel has gone in to bring it's sons home.

Please remember that history is all these cultures have their present is built on their history. As we might say move on it is easier said than done. These 2 brothers shall forever fight.

Hezbullah Fires wildly thier rockets in to Israel northern cities simply carelessly firing, while Israel fires targeted shots.

Israel ensures the safty of it's PPL by providing them bunkers while Hezbullah uses their PPL as their shield.

When asked why not just return the soldiers they never reply you know why? Well I believe it's because they are asshamed to let the trueth be know that the soldiers have been murdered.

My point as well. Seems I might not be the only person [ribbit and very few else] willing to make the effort to look at both sides and not just blindly follow behind hezbollah and the palestinians. There have been quite a few misinformed comments here and hopefully some posters will take the time to do a little more reading. Opinion is fine, but opinion backed by silly incorrect facts doh make any sense at all. I softened my position [only a little bit] based on a few postings that made sense. Is just like football if you just giving your opinion then fine but if you going into the technical aspect of football or world affairs back up your point with sound factual info not propoganda.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: E-man on July 20, 2006, 08:30:59 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

for real, time to watch some al jazeera, some independent forums and blogs to get the other side of the argument...

not that CNN force-feed sh*t, which will tell you today that Israel incurred "minor casualties" in today's ground invasion, when the truth is hezbollah give dem some tempo on de border...

Yeah like IRAQI foreign minister saying on ARAB News that thhe US was falling like dogs when they invaded. Yeah like their news is not Biased. I liked seeing him on news. " The occupiers are running with their tales between thier legs like wounded dogs" He said.  Remember that? Al Jazeera my A@@

Long live the Iraqi minister of information http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ That guy was kicks
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 08:42:12 AM
Boy it have ah leader dat take over de iraqi minister comedy role

ah man who LOVE he pork bad bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 20, 2006, 08:45:45 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5197584.stm

More than 300 Lebanese people - mostly civilians - and 29 Israelis, including 15 civilians killed by Hezbollah rocket attacks, have been killed since the fighting began.

remember the calypso  ?

ten to one is murder
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dinho on July 20, 2006, 08:51:40 AM
Boy it have ah leader dat take over de iraqi minister comedy role

ah man who LOVE he pork bad bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush)

serious talk bout war and people dying and man talking bout he want pig??? not pork dinner, sausage... pig??

check how angela merkel watching him like wdmc??
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 08:54:07 AM
wow......this been going on so long it eh funny allyuh still debating. both sides rong and both ssides right. isreal was created cause the rest of the world was feeling guilty for allowing and i mean allowwing hitlrt(not even the pope admitted that they were being exterminated). they deserve  a place to live just as much as every palistinian and cristian and muslim there. but to displace pppl hmmmm..dat doh ever work. and i cant blame them for pretecting themselves because they have been invaded by all the muslim countires surrounin g them (simultaneously and coordinated). and doh feel sorry for either side..cause america andbritian was supplying israel and former ussr was suplying all the muslim countries( stange bed fellos considering that communism and god dont mesh at all...and muslim considered the communists the worst of the non believers..) one set ah garbage...and if u venture to say the enemy of my enemy is my fren..as a muslim..then your doctrine means nothing. .at any rate because fo than anytime they attack israel hez..or hamas....then they attack..and mind u....if lebanon wasnt controlled by hezobllah....and wa smidning dey business instead of studyign what hamas doing and reliease dat hamas showing dem up..they ass woulnda be grass right now...it just sucks that as in all conflicts is de women and children whof eel it the most....remeber on both sides eh...
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 20, 2006, 08:57:06 AM
wow !!!  anybody have that Organic to english dictionary ?   ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 08:58:06 AM
Boy it have ah leader dat take over de iraqi minister comedy role

ah man who LOVE he pork bad bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush)

check how angela merkel watching him like wdmc??
de man bussin moves in smart
check angela face here...she vibes his like "mymc from behind mih nah"  :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tEQhaK4VM&search=bush%20back%20rub
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 08:59:34 AM
Boy it have ah leader dat take over de iraqi minister comedy role

ah man who LOVE he pork bad bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-rlsysmqo&search=daily%20bush)

check how angela merkel watching him like wdmc??
de man bussin moves in smart
check angela face here...she vibes his like "mymc from behind mih nah"  :rotfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0tEQhaK4VM&search=bush%20back%20rub
john stewart last ngiht said if it was clinton she woulda be naked already..but bush scary..lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 09:01:14 AM
wow !!!  anybody have that Organic to english dictionary ?   ;D

I think he once told me his church strictly prohibits the use of pork, alchohol & paragraphs
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 09:02:28 AM
wow !!!  anybody have that Organic to english dictionary ?   ;D

I think he once told me his church strictly prohibits the use of pork, alchohol & paragraphs
only alcohol and paragraphs...if god didnt want we eat animals we woulnd amke dem outta meat..so pass de pig foot ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 09:15:10 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

for real, time to watch some al jazeera, some independent forums and blogs to get the other side of the argument...

not that CNN force-feed sh*t, which will tell you today that Israel incurred "minor casualties" in today's ground invasion, when the truth is hezbollah give dem some tempo on de border...

Yeah like IRAQI foreign minister saying on ARAB News that thhe US was falling like dogs when they invaded. Yeah like their news is not Biased. I liked seeing him on news. " The occupiers are running with their tales between thier legs like wounded dogs" He said.  Remember that? Al Jazeera my A@@

Long live the Iraqi minister of information http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ That guy was kicks

That man was de best!!! I used to watch de news just to see what he go say next...... MY wife and I would just laugh every time he talked it was better that Kings of Comedy. He was de true king.



So all the PPL that say they know so much about what going on what do you think will happen next?

Do you think the Israel soldiers are still alive.?

I may sound bias well its because I am in this case. I have followed the development aff this area for a very long time acctually since I was a child.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 09:40:02 AM
U.S killing time to give Israel more time to continue their military campaign after that they will get more involved [ah figure about a week or so]. If Syria doh bet more involved things will wrap up quicker, if not real s*&t will happen and nobody want that. Hopefully at the end the Lebanese govt will be able to take back control of their entire coutry [that might be wishful thinking though]. If Israel keep sending in their special forces into southern Lebanon they will realize that they not dealing with Hamas. Hezbollah is a different set of fish. Just my take. In the end it need to finish quick so innocent people don't have to continue to die.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trini Madness on July 20, 2006, 09:53:58 AM
U.S killing time to give Israel more time to continue their military campaign after that they will get more involved [ah figure about a week or so]. If Syria doh bet more involved things will wrap up quicker, if not real s*&t will happen and nobody want that. Hopefully at the end the Lebanese govt will be able to take back control of their entire coutry [that might be wishful thinking though]. If Israel keep sending in their special forces into southern Lebanon they will realize that they not dealing with Hamas. Hezbollah is a different set of fish. Just my take. In the end it need to finish quick so innocent people don't have to continue to die.

if israel starts losing this battle then US will get involved........and yet i am thinking why de a$$ israel attacking lebanon when it have americans based in lebanon. some of them cant even get out.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 10:28:16 AM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
Quote

Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

for real, time to watch some al jazeera, some independent forums and blogs to get the other side of the argument...

not that CNN force-feed sh*t, which will tell you today that Israel incurred "minor casualties" in today's ground invasion, when the truth is hezbollah give dem some tempo on de border...

Yeah like IRAQI foreign minister saying on ARAB News that thhe US was falling like dogs when they invaded. Yeah like their news is not Biased. I liked seeing him on news. " The occupiers are running with their tales between thier legs like wounded dogs" He said.  Remember that? Al Jazeera my A@@

Long live the Iraqi minister of information http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ That guy was kicks

That man was de best!!! I used to watch de news just to see what he go say next...... MY wife and I would just laugh every time he talked it was better that Kings of Comedy. He was de true king.



So all the PPL that say they know so much about what going on what do you think will happen next?

Do you think the Israel soldiers are still alive.?

I may sound bias well its because I am in this case. I have followed the development aff this area for a very long time acctually since I was a child.

hezbollah apparently kidnap dem soldiers to highlight how many lebanese prisoners there are in israel. if they kill dem, i think israel would probably go after nasrallah who is supposed to be hiding in damascus. that would provoke a confrontation with syria. dem soldiers only of value if they can be used to negotiate release of prisoners. killing dem soldiers would guarantee an escalation. for this reason, ah think dey still alive.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: TrinInfinite on July 20, 2006, 10:48:51 AM
well ah hope ww3 doesnt start from this shit, but it is highly possible
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 20, 2006, 10:50:54 AM
well ah hope ww3 doesnt start from this shit, but it is highly possible

leh we see if iran come with dey "nuke"  :o
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 11:02:26 AM
Every one asked for facts I gave facts yet no one has any to contradict what I have laid on the table. 90% of those labanese prisoners were caught in Israel trying to commit a crime. I will never negotiate with terrorist. I do not agree totally with the moving of Israel troops into Lebanese teritory but thats what Israel thinks must be done. I do hope though that other Arab countries(Iran & Syria) do not get involved.

The US has other reasons why they are not in a rush to get involved the main one I cannot share online, but they can not and will not untill Iraq has some sort of stabilization.  Only involvement by other countries may force the US hand. With my job working with soldiers on a daily basis I do not want to see them go to war again. They need a rest and time with their families.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2006, 11:45:54 AM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 11:48:27 AM
Yet another post by someone ignorant to the facts.   
Luke you have alot to learn. I will be your ob1
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2006, 11:51:59 AM
well ah hope ww3 doesnt start from this shit, but it is highly possible

Not highly possible at all.  Neither Isreal nor Lebanon has anything in the way of resources that is worth getting involved for.  If the World didn't get involved with Iraq you think they really going to get involved with these two tiny countries.

Doh worry no chance of that happening
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 11:53:28 AM
How can you blame the Hezbollah they are just standing up for the Palistine people, remember they have been displaced since 1948 when the Jews came back to claim their land, their is a beginning and an end to everything, something got to happen this time.
Slade go watch ah football match and leave this conversation to grown ups ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2006, 11:54:47 AM
Yet another post by someone ignorant to the facts.   
Luke you have alot to learn. I will be your ob1

Please do

Ah going and make popcorn in the time being...this should be interesting learning :chilling:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 12:06:25 PM
1. us wont get involved..they have enough trouble with iraq...and de koreans
2. if lebanon had said we will put out hezbollah after syria and its puppet govenrment got protested out by the popular vote..it might have been different. but they conmtinue to well not let..but sit idley by..though thye amdittiedly cyah do much as hezbollah laucnh rockets into israel when they want 2.
3. the un cant do anything cause as israel see if thye cant cant stop the us form invading iraq..then preesure or no preesure....they will lave when they want
4.US cant say much because after the tirade bush and dem went on about axis of eveil and about terrorism cant be tolerated and invading iraq agasint the un wishes they gave israel unoffial excuse to do this shit when they want. they also gave russia the same (well if the us could do it who is we policy we have nukes to) to invade and kill chechens when they want cause thye r terrorists according to russia. all u ahve to do now to kill ppl is claim they r terrorists.
5.iran and syria will jus talk and maybe supply arms...they wont do nuttin else..cause they fed up get cut arse from israel in wars.
6. allyuh acting like this is a shock..this is a cycle...which will continue...as long as israel continues to be a state in the mideast this will continue.  didnt the israeli government move its citizens outta de occupied areas agasint its own citizens whish to try to stablize the region dat eh do nutin did it. hezbollah and hamas can only contuie to reecuirt ppl by irratitaing israel into action. they were lossing support  with the new palistinian government. is all about power for them , because even if israel give into all thier demands free all the prsioners move outta the west bank and gaza strip they will continue to raning rockets and sending out young kids to blow them selves up.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 12:08:26 PM
Every one asked for facts I gave facts yet no one has any to contradict what I have laid on the table. 90% of those labanese prisoners were caught in Israel trying to commit a crime. I will never negotiate with terrorist. I do not agree totally with the moving of Israel troops into Lebanese teritory but thats what Israel thinks must be done. I do hope though that other Arab countries(Iran & Syria) do not get involved.

The US has other reasons why they are not in a rush to get involved the main one I cannot share online, but they can not and will not untill Iraq has some sort of stabilization.  Only involvement by other countries may force the US hand. With my job working with soldiers on a daily basis I do not want to see them go to war again. They need a rest and time with their families.

Which facts you bring? You just sounding like an idiot whole thread and we still waiting on de facts.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 20, 2006, 12:34:07 PM
Every one asked for facts I gave facts yet no one has any to contradict what I have laid on the table. 90% of those labanese prisoners were caught in Israel trying to commit a crime. I will never negotiate with terrorist. I do not agree totally with the moving of Israel troops into Lebanese teritory but thats what Israel thinks must be done. I do hope though that other Arab countries(Iran & Syria) do not get involved.

The US has other reasons why they are not in a rush to get involved the main one I cannot share online, but they can not and will not untill Iraq has some sort of stabilization.  Only involvement by other countries may force the US hand. With my job working with soldiers on a daily basis I do not want to see them go to war again. They need a rest and time with their families.

Which facts you bring? You just sounding like an idiot whole thread and we still waiting on de facts.

Steups...I went and make popcorn...it gettin cold waiting on this fella to bring facts.  Maybe he waiting till tomorrow...when Thursday turn Friday  :chilling:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 12:35:50 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 12:40:22 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

TM, dis is true but, like i said in my previous post, the relationship between hezbollah and the lebanese is more complex than that. israel is attacking the lebanese to punish them for tacitly supporting hezbollah - that much should be obvious. this is the collective punishment strategy used in places like russia, china, etc. since adam. alot of lebanese will take serious licks for hezbollah but others will not and want to see the back of syria, iran and hezbollah. the purpose is to drive a wedge in lebanese society and cause dem to confront the issue of hezbollah. like ah say, dis is more complex. again, ah not saying israel is doing charity work in lebanon - is real horrors for most. is always the poor too.

the lesson that israel is laying dong is "if you support hezbollah, is licks. if you doh do nothing about hezbollah, is more licks". why dey doh go after iran? because yuh fight battles yuh could win. war is a foreign policy instrument and modern foreign policy is what dey call "risk averse" - like finance. only fools like saddam hussein speculate on war (kuwait). understand some foreign policy and all dis makes sense. study africa if yuh want to see real waste of human life.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 12:40:31 PM

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.
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what dat mean..by whom??? dealt with u kidding right? wah u feel it is mammy beating some picky head children? wo dealing wiht them?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 12:44:41 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

TM, dis is true but, like i said in my previous post, the relationship between hezbollah and the lebanese is more complex than that. israel is attacking the lebanese to punish them for tacitly supporting hezbollah - that much should be obvious. this is the collective punishment strategy used in places like russia, china, etc. since adam. alot of lebanese will take serious licks for hezbollah but others will not and want to see the back of syria, iran and hezbollah. the purpose is to drive a wedge in lebanese society and cause dem to confront the issue of hezbollah. like ah say, dis is more complex. again, ah not saying israel is doing charity work in lebanon - is real horrors for most. is always the poor too.

the lesson that israel is laying dong is "if you support hezbollah, is licks. if you doh do nothing about hezbollah, is more licks". why dey doh go after iran? because yuh fight battles yuh could win. war is a foreign policy instrument and modern foreign policy is what dey call "risk averse" - like finance. only fools like saddam hussein speculate on war (kuwait). understand some foreign policy and all dis makes sense. study africa if yuh want to see real waste of human life.
the main reason Us went into kuwait..wasnt because un ask dem...or anyhtig like thta..is because of oil...and their buddies sudi arabia..which has most of its gold in the us..and let us not forget the connection ebwteen the oil bushs and oil sudis.... . sudi was afraid that they were next on sadam hit list. dais y. y havent the us gone into all thos einvasions in africa..etc...look hwo long thye took to do in the former yougoslavia..no oil..no incentives
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 12:47:11 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

TM, dis is true but, like i said in my previous post, the relationship between hezbollah and the lebanese is more complex than that. israel is attacking the lebanese to punish them for tacitly supporting hezbollah - that much should be obvious. this is the collective punishment strategy used in places like russia, china, etc. since adam. alot of lebanese will take serious licks for hezbollah but others will not and want to see the back of syria, iran and hezbollah. the purpose is to drive a wedge in lebanese society and cause dem to confront the issue of hezbollah. like ah say, dis is more complex. again, ah not saying israel is doing charity work in lebanon - is real horrors for most. is always the poor too.

the lesson that israel is laying dong is "if you support hezbollah, is licks. if you doh do nothing about hezbollah, is more licks". why dey doh go after iran? because yuh fight battles yuh could win. war is a foreign policy instrument and modern foreign policy is what dey call "risk averse" - like finance. only fools like saddam hussein speculate on war (kuwait). understand some foreign policy and all dis makes sense. study africa if yuh want to see real waste of human life.
the main reason Us went into kuwait..wasnt because un ask dem...or anyhtig like thta..is because of oil...and their buddies sudi arabia..which has most of its gold in the us..and let us not forget the connection ebwteen the oil bushs and oil sudis.... . sudi was afraid that they were next on sadam hit list. dais y. y havent the us gone into all thos einvasions in africa..etc...look hwo long thye took to do in the former yougoslavia..no oil..no incentives

eh organic, ah have no gripe with dat explanation. juss pointing out that saddam's attempted invasion of kuwait was foolish.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 12:48:05 PM
yup..he gambled and lose.......
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 12:51:44 PM


TM, hezbollah has a practice of surrounding their people with civilians. they fire rockets from schools and hospitals. they are the face of the modern guerilla - they use the population as a shield. the relationship between the lebanese civilians and hezbollah is more complex. hezbollah does not represent the population nor do they protect the population. they do everything to use the population as a shield.
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Ribbit ah think you watchin too much CNN brudda

for real, time to watch some al jazeera, some independent forums and blogs to get the other side of the argument...

not that CNN force-feed sh*t, which will tell you today that Israel incurred "minor casualties" in today's ground invasion, when the truth is hezbollah give dem some tempo on de border...

Yeah like IRAQI foreign minister saying on ARAB News that thhe US was falling like dogs when they invaded. Yeah like their news is not Biased. I liked seeing him on news. " The occupiers are running with their tales between thier legs like wounded dogs" He said.  Remember that? Al Jazeera my A@@

Long live the Iraqi minister of information http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ That guy was kicks

 :rotfl: for true. i heard he was in europe or england last. amazing how many of dem land nice.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 12:52:11 PM

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.
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what dat mean..by whom??? dealt with u kidding right? wah u feel it is mammy beating some picky head children? wo dealing wiht them?

I ike that. :rotfl:
Dealt with can mean a lot of things  not necessarily militarily. Syria if push come to shove is an easier target to deal with than Iran. Iran is facing pressure from tthe world especially Europe [right now though it eh making no difference].One diference between iran and irag is it is not the U.S. alone this time. Even France have real issues with Iran have nukes, etc. No one is sure what will happen down the road. Only thing for sure is right now Israel punding Lebanon, hezbollah tryng to pound and we wil see what happens when the dust clears.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 12:57:34 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.

Oh, Israel will "deal with them", right? And you want to put forth this farce of being impartal.  ::)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:00:45 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.

Oh, Israel will "deal with them", right? And you want to put forth this farce of being impartal.  ::)
de man never say israel go deal wiht them.he say thye will eb dealt with
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:03:31 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.

Oh, Israel will "deal with them", right? And you want to put forth this farce of being impartal.  ::)

You hear me say anything about Israel dealing with them??? Please read my posts more carefully before jumping on man. Ah have a strong back but I eh no donkey!!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:06:05 PM
Isreal is doing nothing but destroying building and killing innocent people. Everybody knows that.  That is not the way to destroy Hezobllah because as they and even the US admit...Iran is backing Hezbollah with money, weapons, and people. So what would be gained by bombing and killing in Lebanon. Iran could easily replenish Hezbollah.

This is just vengence by Israel and a lack of concern for anyone who isnt a Israeli. They get so much backing from the Americans but would bomb the Airport so civilians can't leave.  Their concern is just to punish Lebanon...if they and the US really wanted to stop Hezbollah then they would look in Iran's direction BUT why do that when you could bomb a country at will with feeble resistence as opposed to having accurate weapons and air planes doing to them what they are doing to Lebanon.

This would stop soon with nothing resolved when Isreal feels like they have set Lebanon a few years back and have them preoccupied with rebuilding.  No lesson will be learned from this as it isn't the first time it has happened nor will it be the last.

Geez an ages. Yer serious??? Hezbollah is partly the instrument of Iran and Syria and they are Israels current problem. Iran and Syria will be dealt with as time goes by. If Syria had openly initiated the attack then maybe they could go in, maybe. It is a complicated situation not a comic book story.

Oh, Israel will "deal with them", right? And you want to put forth this farce of being impartal.  ::)

You hear me say anything about Israel dealing with them??? Please read my posts more carefully before jumping on man. Ah have a strong back but I eh no donkey!!

Excuse me, in your statement you mentioned Hezbollah being Israel's current problem and that Syria and Iran will be dealt with later. Dealt with by whom, the boogey man?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:07:34 PM
Toppa you might want to read post #153 too. Yer a little hasty in yer posts. Patience is a virtue especially if you trying to quote man.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:08:52 PM
Toppa you might want to read post #153 too. Yer a little hasty in yer posts. Patience is a virtue especially if you trying to quote man.

That post not clearing up anything.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:09:41 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:10:08 PM
Let me save you the trouble of scrolling up the screen:
Post #153
I ike that.
Dealt with can mean a lot of things  not necessarily militarily. Syria if push come to shove is an easier target to deal with than Iran. Iran is facing pressure from tthe world especially Europe [right now though it eh making no difference].One diference between iran and irag is it is not the U.S. alone this time. Even France have real issues with Iran have nukes, etc. No one is sure what will happen down the road. Only thing for sure is right now Israel punding Lebanon, hezbollah tryng to pound and we wil see what happens when the dust clears.

Now if you need to make a sensible comment based on facts not imagination or misunderstanding of posts.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:11:04 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:12:39 PM
Toppa you might want to read post #153 too. Yer a little hasty in yer posts. Patience is a virtue especially if you trying to quote man.

Okay well let me spell it out then. Right now the world [yes the world not the U.S.] are pressuring Iran about their nuclear program. Syria is getting pressure from the U.S. and U.K. among others for it's support of Hezbollah. Israel has purposely limited it's focus to Hezbollah and Lebanon. Does that help??

That post not clearing up anything.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:15:35 PM
Let me save you the trouble of scrolling up the screen:
Post #153
I ike that.
Dealt with can mean a lot of things  not necessarily militarily. Syria if push come to shove is an easier target to deal with than Iran. Iran is facing pressure from tthe world especially Europe [right now though it eh making no difference].One diference between iran and irag is it is not the U.S. alone this time. Even France have real issues with Iran have nukes, etc. No one is sure what will happen down the road. Only thing for sure is right now Israel punding Lebanon, hezbollah tryng to pound and we wil see what happens when the dust clears.

Now if you need to make a sensible comment based on facts not imagination or misunderstanding of posts.


lol I told you it wasn't clearing up anything because even the statement above is made under the supposition that it's Israel who will be doing the "dealing". "Syria, if push come to shove will be an easier target to deal with than Iran" Who will be targetting them, not Israel? "Only thing for sure is right now Israel punding Lebanon, hezbollah tryng to pound and we wil see what happens when the dust clears."

Please, come again.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:15:43 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.

Did you just jump in the thread? Apparently you did not take time to read pages 3 4 and 5. Just a thought you may want to read It is fundamental.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:16:15 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
to woman right..what facts no hezbollah eh have no right....and i kinda mentioned that hezbollah and hamas usually do things like that because they need popular support so they initaitae large sacle conflits. though i knwo there are other reaons. 
but u eh no difference man....if we listenin to de press what u listenin to ..american government..and its miltary..y because u ahve to...u agreee witht he invasion of iraq? was that to defend american borders..come dude propaganda iis only false when it not servign yoru purposes. and pertaining to your argument about the press no one spues more governmental backed drivel that the american press... y ppl listen to fox, msn nbc etc is beyond me.  so unless toppa gettign she info form somewhere else is american stations she listenin to. u want real news listen to the bbc.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:16:32 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.

The man posted a number of items before. And no one has said anything about why Israel went in there in the first place. Israel is not in the business of 'capturing'. If you commit a crime you will be arrested if you're a terrorist you may be arrested if possible, if not you will be targeted for assasssination.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:16:37 PM
Okay Jab Jab, I posted before you edited your post. Yeah, you're clear to me right now.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:19:05 PM
Okay Jab Jab, I posted before you edited your post. Yeah, you're clear to me right now.

 :beermug: no pressure
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:20:14 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
to woman right..what facts no hezbollah eh have no right....and i kinda mentioned that hezbollah and hamas usually do things like that because they need popular support so they initaitae large sacle conflits. though i knwo there are other reaons. 
but u eh no difference man....if we listenin to de press what u listenin to ..american government..and its miltary..y because u ahve to...u agreee witht he invasion of iraq? was that to defend american borders..come dude propaganda iis only false when it not servign yoru purposes. and pertaining to your argument about the press no one spues more governmental backed drivel that the american press... y ppl listen to fox, msn nbc etc is beyond me.  so unless toppa gettign she info form somewhere else is american stations she listenin to. u want real news listen to the bbc.

For your info I have Arab news, English news and American news, Oh I almost forgot German news. This is not all I READ!!!!!


You must first understand history then culture of these PPL to understand what is going on now.... If all you listen to is BBC then you are also missing alot of info
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:21:15 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.

The man posted a number of items before. And no one has said anything about why Israel went in there in the first place. Israel is not in the business of 'capturing'. If you commit a crime you will be arrested if you're a terrorist you may be arrested if possible, if not you will be targeted for assasssination.

Oh God doh meh laugh! Israel don't capture prisoners?!? lmao And I view the Israelis as terrorists as much as you probably view the Palestineans, Syrians and Iranians as terrorists. How many breaches of the Geneva Convention have they committed...how many International laws have they broken...how many times have they bombed cvilian areas...you say you're well-read on the matter and didn't need to do any research, right? Right. lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:23:06 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.

Did you just jump in the thread? Apparently you did not take time to read pages 3 4 and 5. Just a thought you may want to read It is fundamental.

I did read the thread and I didn't see you post anything of substance.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:24:26 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
to woman right..what facts no hezbollah eh have no right....and i kinda mentioned that hezbollah and hamas usually do things like that because they need popular support so they initaitae large sacle conflits. though i knwo there are other reaons. 
but u eh no difference man....if we listenin to de press what u listenin to ..american government..and its miltary..y because u ahve to...u agreee witht he invasion of iraq? was that to defend american borders..come dude propaganda iis only false when it not servign yoru purposes. and pertaining to your argument about the press no one spues more governmental backed drivel that the american press... y ppl listen to fox, msn nbc etc is beyond me.  so unless toppa gettign she info form somewhere else is american stations she listenin to. u want real news listen to the bbc.

For your info I have Arab news, English news and American news, Oh I almost forgot German news. This is not all I READ!!!!!


You must first understand history then culture of these PPL to understand what is going on now.... If all you listen to is BBC then you are also missing alot of info
EXPLAIN YUH position on history and culture...and i will see if the infitismal knowledge i gained on my lil foray on planet earth helps to clarify yuh postition
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:25:51 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.

The man posted a number of items before. And no one has said anything about why Israel went in there in the first place. Israel is not in the business of 'capturing'. If you commit a crime you will be arrested if you're a terrorist you may be arrested if possible, if not you will be targeted for assasssination.

Oh God doh meh laugh! Israel don't capture prisoners?!? lmao And I view the Israelis as terrorists as much as you probably view the Palestineans, Syrians and Iranians as terrorists. How many breaches of the Geneva Convention have they broken...how many International laws...how many times have they bombed cvilian areas...you say you're well-read on the matter and didn't need to do any researh, right? Right. lol

Correvtion. I do not view Palestines as terrorist nor the citizens of lebonon. I veiw the PPL that make their lives hard by stiring up troble, sending suicide bombers , using them as human shields as terrorist. THey are the ones that needs to be dealt with. Who cant har needs to feel. THey are the reason their PPL die. Killing inocent because of a socalled religious reason. I believe that every one has a right to religion but never at the cost of anothers life. Never in my prior post did I call the citizens of these countries Terrorist.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
to woman right..what facts no hezbollah eh have no right....and i kinda mentioned that hezbollah and hamas usually do things like that because they need popular support so they initaitae large sacle conflits. though i knwo there are other reaons. 
but u eh no difference man....if we listenin to de press what u listenin to ..american government..and its miltary..y because u ahve to...u agreee witht he invasion of iraq? was that to defend american borders..come dude propaganda iis only false when it not servign yoru purposes. and pertaining to your argument about the press no one spues more governmental backed drivel that the american press... y ppl listen to fox, msn nbc etc is beyond me.  so unless toppa gettign she info form somewhere else is american stations she listenin to. u want real news listen to the bbc.

For your info I have Arab news, English news and American news, Oh I almost forgot German news. This is not all I READ!!!!!


You must first understand history then culture of these PPL to understand what is going on now.... If all you listen to is BBC then you are also missing alot of info
EXPLAIN YUH position on history and culture...and i will see if the infitismal knowledge i gained on my lil foray on planet earth helps to clarify yuh postition

I will not do this again read pages 3, 4, and 5
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:28:07 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.

The man posted a number of items before. And no one has said anything about why Israel went in there in the first place. Israel is not in the business of 'capturing'. If you commit a crime you will be arrested if you're a terrorist you may be arrested if possible, if not you will be targeted for assasssination.

Oh God doh meh laugh! Israel don't capture prisoners?!? lmao And I view the Israelis as terrorists as much as you probably view the Palestineans, Syrians and Iranians as terrorists. How many breaches of the Geneva Convention have they broken...how many International laws...how many times have they bombed cvilian areas...you say you're well-read on the matter and didn't need to do any researh, right? Right. lol

Actually I did not say I was 'well read' I did say I don't need to do much more research but also that a man can't know everything. That is why in a previous post I said I had softened my position on something. I have previoulsy said that there is a lot of bad on both sides but the tome from most people have been anti israel and U.S and pro palestinians so I have been giving a perspective from the other side. As a previous poster said you may want to go back and read earlier posts before making silly statements.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:31:52 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
to woman right..what facts no hezbollah eh have no right....and i kinda mentioned that hezbollah and hamas usually do things like that because they need popular support so they initaitae large sacle conflits. though i knwo there are other reaons. 
but u eh no difference man....if we listenin to de press what u listenin to ..american government..and its miltary..y because u ahve to...u agreee witht he invasion of iraq? was that to defend american borders..come dude propaganda iis only false when it not servign yoru purposes. and pertaining to your argument about the press no one spues more governmental backed drivel that the american press... y ppl listen to fox, msn nbc etc is beyond me.  so unless toppa gettign she info form somewhere else is american stations she listenin to. u want real news listen to the bbc.

I am retired from the military but while in I did my job.. I don't have to agree I obeyed my orders. That has no factor here though.     I live in Germany Lived in US only for 6 years... 21 in Trini & in Europe for 7.  I have been to many countries so I have experienced alot of cultures how far have you been in the world honestly to comprehend all that is going on.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:32:54 PM
gimme ah synopsis nah friday......lol.....and i neutral as hell...because both sides full ah shit and have reached far beyond thier"good" inital intentions to jus be self seeking. both sides in a way fighting for survival  but the ppl who ruling these countries...are by far and large power seekers. and ppl dont forget  the concept of terrorism is an israeli creation.
thier far left and thier far right started terrorism by killing themselves to secure power in the counties infancy


dat better dutty  ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:37:22 PM
You all are a bunch of babling idiots. Have you not read my previous post. You have not brought one reson why Hezbollah was right to kidnap those soldiers. You are being fed garbage from the press and you believe it all. I laid down historical facts you laid down rumor


What historical fact was laid down? And how does it apply to the current situation? And Hezbollah kidnapped the soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchnge, meaning that Israel have kidnapped their people too.
to woman right..what facts no hezbollah eh have no right....and i kinda mentioned that hezbollah and hamas usually do things like that because they need popular support so they initaitae large sacle conflits. though i knwo there are other reaons. 
but u eh no difference man....if we listenin to de press what u listenin to ..american government..and its miltary..y because u ahve to...u agreee witht he invasion of iraq? was that to defend american borders..come dude propaganda iis only false when it not servign yoru purposes. and pertaining to your argument about the press no one spues more governmental backed drivel that the american press... y ppl listen to fox, msn nbc etc is beyond me.  so unless toppa gettign she info form somewhere else is american stations she listenin to. u want real news listen to the bbc.

I am retired from the military but while in I did my job.. I don't have to agree I obeyed my orders. That has no factor here though.     I live in Germany Lived in US only for 6 years... 21 in Trini & in Europe for 7.  I have been to many countries so I have experienced alot of cultures how far have you been in the world honestly to comprehend all that is going on.
admittedly younger than u....but i have done my share fo travel...
lived in the staes for 4 yrs...
been to europe....never lived...but i read..and read alot....
i read perspectives from both sides.
experience is not all because situations and circumstances are aftteced with innate bias and everyoen looks upon another culture thorugh thier own culture. we r all unexorably ethnocentric..
i just said that before u went into u have more experience ..that is a given...we know.it doesnt say alot.
ppl who cause the problems in the world are usually the elders in society wiht more experince and should knwo better.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:40:47 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 01:42:42 PM
PLease I try my best to stay unbiased in all aspects but like I said before in an earlier post I am in this case bias only because It is a history and culture iknow well on both sides.  I fully agree with Israels actions but do think that there is a limit to how far they should go with it.   I never want to see PPL suffer and that is whats going on. To me it is because a government does not want to take the neccessary steps to protect is PPL and Boarders from the "tumor" that grows within.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 01:43:55 PM
gimme ah synopsis nah friday......lol.....and i neutral as hell...because both sides full ah shit and have reached far beyond thier"good" inital intentions to jus be self seeking. both sides in a way fighting for survival  but the ppl who ruling these countries...are by far and large power seekers. and ppl dont forget  the concept of terrorism is an israeli creation.
thier far left and thier far right started terrorism by killing themselves to secure power in the counties infancy


dat better dutty  ;D

MUCH!!!!!!!!!!..de lady who does translate in we office could go back to she desk now
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:46:11 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 01:47:15 PM
PLease I try my best to stay unbiased in all aspects but like I said before in an earlier post I am in this case bias only because It is a history and culture iknow well on both sides.  I fully agree with Israels actions but do think that there is a limit to how far they should go with it.   I never want to see PPL suffer and that is whats going on. To me it is because a government does not want to take the neccessary steps to protect is PPL and Boarders from the "tumor" that grows within.

 ::) Right.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:48:13 PM
man..u hti a nerve....no  the us not all bad...but they right up there boss
they over produce food evey yr. and let it go to waste in silos . yes they donate the most food to de poor they also produce the most and the majority which isnt used goes to waste. they also the largest arms delaers in de world also eh. they sell to who ever  has the smae policy at the time
 man if the only superpower goes agsint the UN the only body in the world that is supposed protect rights and freedoms, thenw hat they do is essentially render it useless. y dont they ratify the treaty on gobal warming...because they use the most oil and burn the most fossil fuels.
 y do they rarely argue about china's blatant human right trangression..... because alot of those trangressions will make men stop being able to wear nikes.
y dont they agree to the treaty about war criminals....because they afraid that it will allow someof thier higher ups to get tired to for war crimes.
so no they not the worse..but economical war and pillaging not better at al than military....and they do both
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 01:50:11 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: FF on July 20, 2006, 01:52:35 PM
Here nah... this middle east issue is real tears..... not even we moderators wanna touch it... wayyyyy ......

7 pages and counting.....

carry on.....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 01:52:57 PM
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Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.
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toppa watch yuh self..u just make out the USA THERE.everythign u said there america is currently guilty of. what about all the prisoners in gitmo eh...steups.
they do what they want. then what they expect...they dont want iran to do what they want, they dont want korea to do what they want and they dont want israel to do what thye want.
it dont work so ..
those that protect(or claim to) protect; and those who will defend authority agaisnt rebellion must not themselves rebel. that is exaclty what the US DOES.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:02:07 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?

Compare 300 dead Lebanese to 15 Israelis. Compare thousands of Palestinians to a couple hundred Israelis. Who's really doing whom? Who are the aggressors? Had the Israelis not captured Lebanese and Paletinians Hezbollah would not have captured two of their soldiers in the hopes of having a Prisoner exchange. If Israel didn't launch an attack on Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah would not have responded with rockets, okay? And just as the Hamas were created to fight the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so too were Hezbollah created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 02:02:29 PM
man..u hti a nerve....no  the us not all bad...but they right up there boss
they over produce food evey yr. and let it go to waste in silos . yes they donate the most food to de poor they also produce the most and the majority which isnt used goes to waste. they also the largest arms delaers in de world also eh. they sell to who ever  has the smae policy at the time
 man if the only superpower goes agsint the UN the only body in the world that is supposed protect rights and freedoms, thenw hat they do is essentially render it useless. y dont they ratify the treaty on gobal warming...because they use the most oil and burn the most fossil fuels.
 y do they rarely argue about china's blatant human right trangression..... because alot of those trangressions will make men stop being able to wear nikes.
y dont they agree to the treaty about war criminals....because they afraid that it will allow someof thier higher ups to get tired to for war crimes.
so no they not the worse..but economical war and pillaging not better at al than military....and they do both


Man you said a lot in this post. Most I agree with but it is not as simple as you make it sound. You may know that but some posters reading that will take it as the whole story but it is not. A few points [keep in mind I agree with most of what you said]
1] The UN has little or no power it is good at providing aid and that is about it.
2] I agree U.S. tread easy on CHina because they can affect the economics of the U.S. [but that's life you can't deal with every problem the same way].
3]They cannot agree with the U.N. on war crimmes because so many people hate the U.S. that tisi  would open the door for them to  try U.S. soldiers on just about everything.
4] Everyone [not literally] hates the U.S. but everytime something happen dem same people quick to call up the U.S. for help.

No country is perfect but given the power that the U.S. has they could be exercising it a lot more.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:08:45 PM
allyuh will have to excuse me for several reaons. i am an admitted cynic and i am anti US.nto in everyhtign but in alot..especially they expound rightousness all the time...when they are not. i dont dislike americans..i dislike thier over zealous patriotism and inabilty to..or apathy when ti comes to doing somehting about their government. please dont forget bush and hsi cabinet lie..to the word in order to invade iraq. no weapons were found and things got swept under the rug.  cant say the country more stable now than under sadamn. he is a bastard. but after the invasion and how many thougsands civilians dead isnt he still alive. life is a bitch eh. so i sorry is oil and we all know thta
the usa could kiss my ass...puker up uncle sam
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
Here nah... this middle east issue is real tears..... not even we moderators wanna touch it... wayyyyy ......

7 pages and counting.....

carry on.....

dey frighten!! organic does type like a suicide bomber
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: lickslikefire on July 20, 2006, 02:10:19 PM
this is the 1st post in this thread...ah feel that's why this thread still in de football section  ;D

Govt moves to evacuate 30 Trinis trapped in war-torn nation
Louis B Homer South Bureau
Wednesday, July 19th 2006
 
 
Former national footballer David Nakhid, in a telephone interview with the Express from Lebanon, said that he had not yet heard about the ministry's efforts to evacuate citizens from the country but predicted that it would be done through the British Consul.

Nakhid reported that he and his family were currently living at their second home atop a mountain.

He said that though they were confined, they were trying to make the best of it.

He noted that most areas around his location had been hit by the random bombings.

"There's nowhere peaceful for the moment," he said.

On the prospect of returning to Trinidad, Nakhid said that like everyone else, he would like to go somewhere that had no bombing.

He expressed hope that in the next couple of days there would be a cease-fire or that the attacks of the Israelis would be repelled by the Lebanese army or Hezbollah fighters.
 


all I have is 2 questions:

(1)do you think that this thread will beat Ato DVD thread  ;D

(2)Dutty yuh popcorn done yet boy?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 02:11:40 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?

Compare 300 dead Lebanese to 15 Israelis. Compare thousands of Palestinians to a couple hundred Israelis. Who's really doing whom? Who are the aggressors? Had the Israelis not captured Lebanese and Paletinians Hezbollah would not have captured two of their soldiers in the hopes of having a Prisoner exchange. If Israel didn't launch an attack on Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah would not have responded with rockets, okay? And just as the Hamas were created to fight the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so too were Hezbollah created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

I take that as a no, since you have justified everything that Hezbollah and Hamas do/done/ will do. You are a littlle misinformed on events. Hamas etc do not want peace with Israel, they want the jews driven out to the sea. That will not happen and the fight will continue long after all of us are gone until they decide they want peace. Let us not forget that hezbollah and Hamas among others also support the terrorist that are willing to bomb all of us in U.S., U.K., Spain, etc.  But os what dem poor people in Hezbollah only want to live free lives in their own land right??? Please..
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:14:31 PM
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Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.
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toppa watch yuh self..u just make out the USA THERE.everythign u said there america is currently guilty of. what about all the prisoners in gitmo eh...steups.
they do what they want. then what they expect...they dont want iran to do what they want, they dont want korea to do what they want and they dont want israel to do what thye want.
it dont work so ..
those that protect(or claim to) protect; and those who will defend authority agaisnt rebellion must not themselves rebel. that is exaclty what the US DOES.

I know that I made out the US. I love to hear when people talk about "Anti-Americanism" like fools. And the ever so popular "Anti-Semetic" when people don't agree with the Zionist policies like they don't know that the Arabs are semites as well.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 02:14:50 PM
this is the 1st post in this thread...ah feel that's why this thread still in de football section  ;D

Govt moves to evacuate 30 Trinis trapped in war-torn nation
Louis B Homer South Bureau
Wednesday, July 19th 2006
 
 

all I have is 2 questions:

(1)do you think that this thread will beat Ato DVD thread  ;D

(2)Dutty yuh popcorn done yet boy?


ah leave some for de arguers las night

(http://members.roadfly.org/thedue/T.jpg)

ah tink dis could beat ato thread in serious...but EVERYBODY hadfda throw in dey 2 cents


not me doh,,I have corn chips in mih mout
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:20:15 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?

Compare 300 dead Lebanese to 15 Israelis. Compare thousands of Palestinians to a couple hundred Israelis. Who's really doing whom? Who are the aggressors? Had the Israelis not captured Lebanese and Paletinians Hezbollah would not have captured two of their soldiers in the hopes of having a Prisoner exchange. If Israel didn't launch an attack on Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah would not have responded with rockets, okay? And just as the Hamas were created to fight the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so too were Hezbollah created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

I take that as a no, since you have justified everything that Hezbollah and Hamas do/done/ will do. You are a littlle misinformed on events. Hamas etc do not want peace with Israel, they want the jews driven out to the sea. That will not happen and the fight will continue long after all of us are gone until they decide they want peace. Let us not forget that hezbollah and Hamas among others also support the terrorist that are willing to bomb all of us in U.S., U.K., Spain, etc.  But os what dem poor people in Hezbollah only want to live free lives in their own land right??? Please..

Until who decided that they want to live in peace? If you are saying that the Arab nations are the aggressors then you're just exposing your ignorance. And I'm talking about in modern times, don't come with no 1870 BS. Why would the Hamas show support for what happened to the World Trade centre when that event clouded the world's judgement on what was going on the the Middle East between palestine and Israel. Prior to 9/11 the World was united in oppostion to what Israel was doing in the West Bank and immidiately after Israel went on the all-out offensive ignoring all International conventions.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:23:48 PM
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Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.
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toppa watch yuh self..u just make out the USA THERE.everythign u said there america is currently guilty of. what about all the prisoners in gitmo eh...steups.
they do what they want. then what they expect...they dont want iran to do what they want, they dont want korea to do what they want and they dont want israel to do what thye want.
it dont work so ..
those that protect(or claim to) protect; and those who will defend authority agaisnt rebellion must not themselves rebel. that is exaclty what the US DOES.

I know that I made out the US. I love to hear when people talk about "Anti-Americanism" like fools. And the ever so popular "Anti-Semetic" when people don't agree with the Zionist policies like they don't know that the Arabs are semites as well.
well i knwo i shouldnt talk eh..but what u jus say dey i eh understand..all i know is that u call meh ah fool.. dais cool. but explain y i foolish..because if u think i jus anti american...or pro anybody ...u miss where i say i nuetral on th ept of the israel/mideast topic.
i willadmit i anti america....and before allyuh say anything ..most of all u guys who defend america living there..i lvied there for 4 yrs and chose to elave. i did my degree there so i not tlaking form a totally ignorant position. and i live in de belly of de beast nyc.  all most americans carea about is americans. and the only ppl the american politicians care about si rich americans. if a wrong ..think katrina. nuff said.
 U KNWO Y I ANTI AMERICA..CAUSE I AM SICKENLY ALLERGIC TO BULLSHIT. so anybody involved in that ..i dey makin my pt known. this world going to hell in a hand basket. most ppl live fortoday. lol....in 50-60 yrs our grandchildren will have hell to pay. this planet underpressure because of northamerica and eurpoe and thier insatiable appetite. so america is jus the poster chile....is most developed countries policies is thier to protect thier unsustanble life styles instead of really doing somehtign abouyt it. token gesutures nto good enough. we all are screwed.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 02:24:32 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?

Compare 300 dead Lebanese to 15 Israelis. Compare thousands of Palestinians to a couple hundred Israelis. Who's really doing whom? Who are the aggressors? Had the Israelis not captured Lebanese and Paletinians Hezbollah would not have captured two of their soldiers in the hopes of having a Prisoner exchange. If Israel didn't launch an attack on Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah would not have responded with rockets, okay? And just as the Hamas were created to fight the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so too were Hezbollah created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

Question when and why did Israel capture those Prisoners that the hezbollah and hamas are fighting for...   ????


Question What happened in the months or years after Israels complete I repeat complete withdrawal from lebonon happened for Hezbollah to turn around and kidnap those soldiers????. If you don't know history let us talk present

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:28:22 PM
topppa lady the countires of the world does change thier polices pertinaing to what is good for thier country at that pt. america use to support taliban when they were fighting russia. i eh liek claling ppl ignorant..but......them same coutnires who was agaisnt isreal most likely was supplygint hem with weapons chick. it not black and white liek that ind e least. both the arabs and israels have been agressors form some pt or the other . look america and britan big pals ent. nope not when britan invaded egypt to help get back the suez canal. america screw dem over....is all about polices...eden(prime minister of britian then) and eisnhower didnt have the smae policy then.. btu ieden made a scerect deal with israel then to help them...so....watch what u saying..
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 02:34:12 PM
Here nah... this middle east issue is real tears..... not even we moderators wanna touch it... wayyyyy ......

7 pages and counting.....

carry on.....

dey frighten!! organic does type like a suicide bomber

ah tink organic does write speeches for castro  ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
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Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.
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toppa watch yuh self..u just make out the USA THERE.everythign u said there america is currently guilty of. what about all the prisoners in gitmo eh...steups.
they do what they want. then what they expect...they dont want iran to do what they want, they dont want korea to do what they want and they dont want israel to do what thye want.
it dont work so ..
those that protect(or claim to) protect; and those who will defend authority agaisnt rebellion must not themselves rebel. that is exaclty what the US DOES.

I know that I made out the US. I love to hear when people talk about "Anti-Americanism" like fools. And the ever so popular "Anti-Semetic" when people don't agree with the Zionist policies like they don't know that the Arabs are semites as well.
well i knwo i shouldnt talk eh..but what u jus say dey i eh understand..all i know is that u call meh ah fool.. dais cool. but explain y i foolish..because if u think i jus anti american...or pro anybody ...u miss where i say i nuetral on th ept of the israel/mideast topic.
i willadmit i anti america....and before allyuh say anything ..most of all u guys who defend america living there..i lvied there for 4 yrs and chose to elave. i did my degree there so i not tlaking form a totally ignorant position. and i live in de belly of de beast nyc.  all most americans carea about is americans. and the only ppl the american politicians care about si rich americans. if a wrong ..think katrina. nuff said.
 U KNWO Y I ANTI AMERICA..CAUSE I AM SICKENLY ALLERGIC TO BULLSHIT. so anybody involved in that ..i dey makin my pt known. this world going to hell in a hand basket. most ppl live fortoday. lol....in 50-60 yrs our grandchildren will have hell to pay. this planet underpressure because of northamerica and eurpoe and thier insatiable appetite. so america is jus the poster chile....is most developed countries policies is thier to protect thier unsustanble life styles instead of really doing somehtign abouyt it. token gesutures nto good enough. we all are screwed.

 I didn't call you a fool. This is what I said:  I love to hear when people talk about "Anti-Americanism" like fools I was talking about people in general, not you at all. I was agreeing with what you said.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:36:32 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?

Compare 300 dead Lebanese to 15 Israelis. Compare thousands of Palestinians to a couple hundred Israelis. Who's really doing whom? Who are the aggressors? Had the Israelis not captured Lebanese and Paletinians Hezbollah would not have captured two of their soldiers in the hopes of having a Prisoner exchange. If Israel didn't launch an attack on Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah would not have responded with rockets, okay? And just as the Hamas were created to fight the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so too were Hezbollah created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

Question when and why did Israel capture those Prisoners that the hezbollah and hames are fighting for...   ????


Question What happened in the months or years after Israels complete I repeat complete withdrawal from lebonon happened for Hezbollah to turn around and kidnap those soldiers????. If you don't know history let us talk present



Excuse? Wha' you asking me for? You'se de one with all the facts and de rest ah we is idiots, ent? Go and read yuh papers in UK, US and Germany n see if yuh find out.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:37:25 PM
I only start posting recently but I've been reading this board for years now getting good and bad fottball info. I doh understand how some people could analyze football tactics and technigues, styles etc cyah step back and apply that same sense to a major world issue?? Israel andU.S. is not all bad and Palestinians not all good. I not saying anything about Hezbollah because hopefully nobaody eh dotish enough to stick up for anything they do related to their issues with the Jews [I said this because somebody go come wit- you eh know what you talking about, you eh know Hezbollah does build hospital and school for their people!!].

To address Toppa I am sounding pro israeli because people like you are so anti israeli it doh take much.



Tell me how I'm anti-Israeli? If being opposed to the massacre of innocent civilians, the occupation of nations, the destruction of civilian infratructrure, the violation of International laws and conventions means that I'm anti-Israeli, then by all means, I accept.

Well let me ask you something. Do you have any problems with what groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are doing to mostly innocent people in Israel?

Compare 300 dead Lebanese to 15 Israelis. Compare thousands of Palestinians to a couple hundred Israelis. Who's really doing whom? Who are the aggressors? Had the Israelis not captured Lebanese and Paletinians Hezbollah would not have captured two of their soldiers in the hopes of having a Prisoner exchange. If Israel didn't launch an attack on Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah would not have responded with rockets, okay? And just as the Hamas were created to fight the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so too were Hezbollah created to fight the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

Question when and why did Israel capture those Prisoners that the hezbollah and hames are fighting for...   ????


Question What happened in the months or years after Israels complete I repeat complete withdrawal from lebonon happened for Hezbollah to turn around and kidnap those soldiers????. If you don't know history let us talk present



this is what happens dey bomb a "dangerous" beach with civilians
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2006/06/10/shell_kills_7_in_gaza_family/
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 02:37:32 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:39:33 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:40:16 PM
hebollah and hamas mudda so and so.
israel mudda so and so.
america mudda so and so
BUSH mudda so and so
panday, manning, maraj and sharma mudda so and so
any body ah misout>
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 20, 2006, 02:42:11 PM

any body ah misout>

Chretien
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:42:22 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.
toppa u mad.
the west bank and gaza strip israel annexed after the wars in whcihed thye were invaded..blame iran egyopt and syria for losing the land and leavign de palistinians. israel  win de land ina  a war dey eh start.
 and they keep it as defensive measure..well so they claim. dem arabs country lucky isreal give back the sinai desert...cause  dey did lose dat to.lol...
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 02:42:33 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 02:43:00 PM
hebollah and hamas mudda so and so.
israel mudda so and so.
america mudda so and so
BUSH mudda so and so
panday, manning, maraj and sharma mudda so and so
any body ah misout>

Idi Amin
Mazaratti
de horrible servers in royal castle
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 20, 2006, 02:44:32 PM
hebollah and hamas mudda so and so.
israel mudda so and so.
america mudda so and so
BUSH mudda so and so
panday, manning, maraj and sharma mudda so and so
any body ah misout>

Idi Amin
Mazaratti
de horrible servers in royal castle

and to keep it football
Stern John
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 02:44:52 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.

Another ignorant statement.... Please read prior post (pg 4)with historical infooo
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:45:25 PM
hebollah and hamas mudda so and so.
israel mudda so and so.
america mudda so and so
BUSH mudda so and so
panday, manning, maraj and sharma mudda so and so
any body ah misout>

Idi Amin
Mazaratti
de horrible servers in royal castle
hahah like u had asked for ah leg and thigh and get 2 pidgeon wing??,,,kik
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 02:47:43 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.

Out of palestine???? Where exactly is that????? Based on Hamas definition that would be off all the current land of Israel. Whcih would put them in the sea.. So I suppose yer right the jews should just pack up and go for a swim right?? Stop the dotish and emotional talk nah and make sensible staements. BTW I'm not ignorant of the encroachment on Palestinians lands etc but I'm writing messages on a message board not a book I cyah cover evrything especailly when it doh matter because you are blind.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 02:49:36 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.

Out of palestine???? Where exactly is that????? Based on Hamas definition that would be off all the current land of Israel. Whcih would put them in the sea.. So I suppose yer right the jews should just pack up and go for a swim right?? Stop the dotish and emotional talk nah and make sensible staements. BTW I'm not ignorant of the encroachment on Palestinians lands etc but I'm writing messages on a message board not a book I cyah cover evrything especailly when it doh matter because you are blind.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Please forgive them for they know not of what they speak
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:53:11 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Why don't you put up the facts that you claim to have to dispute what I have said. No one has disputed anything I've said so far.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 02:55:19 PM
Man it late here I going to sleep... Ah gues I will read the rest of post placed here tomorrow and give some posters time tio get their facts right or even to get some type of fact to talk about.

Again  :notlistening: TOPPA you are to be ignored untill you read pages 3,4 &5   :talktothehand:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 02:57:37 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Why don't you put up the facts that you claim to have to dispute what I have said. No one has disputed anything I've said so far.
i disputed what u said...on the large post of the last page.lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 02:57:47 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.

Out of palestine???? Where exactly is that????? Based on Hamas definition that would be off all the current land of Israel. Whcih would put them in the sea.. So I suppose yer right the jews should just pack up and go for a swim right?? Stop the dotish and emotional talk nah and make sensible staements. BTW I'm not ignorant of the encroachment on Palestinians lands etc but I'm writing messages on a message board not a book I cyah cover evrything especailly when it doh matter because you are blind.

Not according to the Hamas, according to the UN.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 03:00:20 PM
Look everyone whether it's a country or your personal family will try to help others but your primary goal is the protection and what's best for your family, country etc. Let's deal with the present because the past can provide knowledge but it cannot be changed. Israel moved out of southern lebanon and out of gaza. In each case they have been screwed for those actions. In the end the hezbollah and Hamas do not want peace [yet?] unless peace entails the non existence of the state of Israel. That is an ignorant position and it will not happen, so instead of looking for a middle ground what do they do? Suicide bombs, rockets etc which leads to the oppression of the very people they claim to be trying to help. But people too blind to see that. They believe that everything Hezbollah is doing and done is justified. Well ignorance is bliss!!

You are completely ignoring the fact that Israel has consistently encroache on Palestinian land and persists occupying it illegally. That is where this all started. If Israel wanted peeace, they'd get the hell out of Palestine unconditionally.
toppa u mad.
the west bank and gaza strip israel annexed after the wars in whcihed thye were invaded..blame iran egyopt and syria for losing the land and leavign de palistinians. israel  win de land ina  a war dey eh start.
 and they keep it as defensive measure..well so they claim. dem arabs country lucky isreal give back the sinai desert...cause  dey did lose dat to.lol...

Go and look up the 1947 UN Partition Plan please. You're a little behind the times.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 03:00:32 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Why don't you put up the facts that you claim to have to dispute what I have said. No one has disputed anything I've said so far.
i disputed what u said...on the large post of the last page.lol

She just posting stuff without reading  IGNORE I SAY IGNORE atleast organic I can say you do know some things but TOPPA she like a feather in de wind... Like pullen


GOOD NIGHT
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 03:00:42 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Man finally somebody that can make an argument based on fact not emotion, ignorance or both. It is difficult to make a point when people make statements that are so incorrect thus showing their ignorance on the matter. But I guess everybody have an opinion what makes this topic different to football is peope are suffering and dying based on choices they make or that other people [like hezbollah] make for them. Ans some of the views expressed here are echoed by many other misinformed  folks.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 03:01:28 PM
Man it late here I going to sleep... Ah gues I will read the rest of post placed here tomorrow and give some posters time tio get their facts right or even to get some type of fact to talk about.

Again  :notlistening: TOPPA you are to be ignored untill you read pages 3,4 &5   :talktothehand:

I read the thread form the beginning as I said before, you said nothing of consequence. I'm still waiting on your facts.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 03:03:56 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Man finally somebody that can make an argument based on fact not emotion, ignorance or both. It is difficult to make a point when people make statements that are so incorrect thus showing their ignorance on the matter. But I guess everybody have an opinion what makes this topic different to football is peope are suffering and dying based on choices they make or that other people [like hezbollah] make for them. Ans some of the views expressed here are echoed by many other misinformed  folks.

So you honestly have no idea that there was an official UN partitian to divide palestine and Israel and stop the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews? You weren't even aware that long before that there was the British mandate of Palestine? Israel are occupying what has been declared Palestinian lands and that is the impetus for what is going on today. You, TheManFriday and Organic should stick to football discussions.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 03:11:49 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Man finally somebody that can make an argument based on fact not emotion, ignorance or both. It is difficult to make a point when people make statements that are so incorrect thus showing their ignorance on the matter. But I guess everybody have an opinion what makes this topic different to football is peope are suffering and dying based on choices they make or that other people [like hezbollah] make for them. Ans some of the views expressed here are echoed by many other misinformed  folks.

So you honestly have no idea that there was an official UN partitian to divide palestine and Israel and stop the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews? You weren't even aware that long before that there was the British mandate of Palestine? Israel are occupying what has been declared Palestinian lands and that is the impetus for what is going on today. You, TheManFriday and Organic should stick to football discussions.
toppa darling that was after the war. what i spoke about is this... the land that hamas and hezbollah basing the argument over is the gaza stripa dn wst bank. that wasnt int the 47 deal hunnie. israel won that from the numerous warts with its arab neioghbours...dat is y jab jab and friday sayign to relax and calm downl.
we know bout that otherwise they wouldnt be any israel..
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 03:17:39 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Man finally somebody that can make an argument based on fact not emotion, ignorance or both. It is difficult to make a point when people make statements that are so incorrect thus showing their ignorance on the matter. But I guess everybody have an opinion what makes this topic different to football is peope are suffering and dying based on choices they make or that other people [like hezbollah] make for them. Ans some of the views expressed here are echoed by many other misinformed  folks.

So you honestly have no idea that there was an official UN partitian to divide palestine and Israel and stop the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews? You weren't even aware that long before that there was the British mandate of Palestine? Israel are occupying what has been declared Palestinian lands and that is the impetus for what is going on today. You, TheManFriday and Organic should stick to football discussions.
toppa darling that was after the war. what i spoke about is this... the land that hamas and hezbollah basing the argument over is the gaza stripa dn wst bank. that wasnt int the 47 deal hunnie. israel won that from the numerous warts with its arab neioghbours...dat is y jab jab and friday sayign to relax and calm downl.
we know bout that otherwise they wouldnt be any israel..

Well if you all knew that why was there the big fuss when I said that Israel need to stop occupying Palestinian lands?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 03:19:29 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Man finally somebody that can make an argument based on fact not emotion, ignorance or both. It is difficult to make a point when people make statements that are so incorrect thus showing their ignorance on the matter. But I guess everybody have an opinion what makes this topic different to football is peope are suffering and dying based on choices they make or that other people [like hezbollah] make for them. Ans some of the views expressed here are echoed by many other misinformed  folks.

So you honestly have no idea that there was an official UN partitian to divide palestine and Israel and stop the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews? You weren't even aware that long before that there was the British mandate of Palestine? Israel are occupying what has been declared Palestinian lands and that is the impetus for what is going on today. You, TheManFriday and Organic should stick to football discussions.
toppa darling that was after the war. what i spoke about is this... the land that hamas and hezbollah basing the argument over is the gaza stripa dn wst bank. that wasnt int the 47 deal hunnie. israel won that from the numerous warts with its arab neioghbours...dat is y jab jab and friday sayign to relax and calm downl.
we know bout that otherwise they wouldnt be any israel..

Well if you all knew that why was there the big fuss when I said that Israel need to stop occupying Palestinian lands?
toppa..i done yes....i cyah belive dat si what u said.... friday right i shoulda hush.
education and common sense seems to be incongurant in many situations
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 03:23:57 PM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 03:25:50 PM
You seem to be on their side in this conflict but you arre now showing me that you entered blindly not know what happened. You speak of what you do not know.   You talking bout how Israel doing all they stuff and they bad but you don't even know what truely happened .....   I remember mama saying stay out ah grown PPL business .... yuh doh know what yuh talking bout....


I say the same to you.......

You have just showed you true ignorance to that facts here .....

I done talking to you yuh not even worth the debate....





 :timeout: TOPPAs coments on this topic  are now to be ignored.. :bringiton: :loser: :notlistening: :sleepy: :talktothehand:.
Ah still love yuh doh

Man finally somebody that can make an argument based on fact not emotion, ignorance or both. It is difficult to make a point when people make statements that are so incorrect thus showing their ignorance on the matter. But I guess everybody have an opinion what makes this topic different to football is peope are suffering and dying based on choices they make or that other people [like hezbollah] make for them. Ans some of the views expressed here are echoed by many other misinformed  folks.

So you honestly have no idea that there was an official UN partitian to divide palestine and Israel and stop the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews? You weren't even aware that long before that there was the British mandate of Palestine? Israel are occupying what has been declared Palestinian lands and that is the impetus for what is going on today. You, TheManFriday and Organic should stick to football discussions.
toppa darling that was after the war. what i spoke about is this... the land that hamas and hezbollah basing the argument over is the gaza stripa dn wst bank. that wasnt int the 47 deal hunnie. israel won that from the numerous warts with its arab neioghbours...dat is y jab jab and friday sayign to relax and calm downl.
we know bout that otherwise they wouldnt be any israel..

Well if you all knew that why was there the big fuss when I said that Israel need to stop occupying Palestinian lands?
toppa..i done yes....i cyah belive dat si what u said.... friday right i shoulda hush.
education and common sense seems to be incongurant in many situations

But you quoted something I said to Jab Jab and then want to talk bout education and incongruancy?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 20, 2006, 04:07:44 PM

You'll should show us some maps with timelines.

Map pre-1947
Map post-1948

Isreal recognized Map     -Present
Palestinian recognized Map -Present
UN recognized Map         -Present
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2006, 07:54:42 PM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 20, 2006, 08:18:14 PM
Toppa, yuh could answer reply #37 fuh me? i heard about these UN plans before and always wondered what the UN was doing about them.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: berris on July 20, 2006, 08:20:59 PM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:

Dutty yuh really know how tuh chain up man oui!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 20, 2006, 08:30:53 PM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:

I was doing some work online and say lemme see if dis gurl still chatting foolishness and I see she tire out ThemanFriday and Organic and I eh go lie I real tired. Then I see your post. You is a setup man  you eh getting me in dat. :rotfl: I go be real quiet tomorrow  :devil:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: lickslikefire on July 20, 2006, 08:33:49 PM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:

all yuh forget is 3:30am in germany now...friday sleeping  ;D....and Mr Organic have more important tings to attend to at dis hour  :devil:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 08:51:08 PM
Toppa, yuh could answer reply #37 fuh me? i heard about these UN plans before and always wondered what the UN was doing about them.

Well, what can the UN do? When all is said and done the UN cannot force any nation to abide by their rulings. Look the U.S invaded Iraq without the UN approval and with the fishing dispute between TnT and B'dos, even though the UN ruled, neither party is bound to comply. At the end of the day each nation still has its sovereignity.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 08:54:36 PM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:


Wha yuh implying...because I'm a girl...wha?  :D I'd like to hear your views on the issue though because although I know yuh like to talk real shit, when you're being serious you usually make educated responses.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 08:56:53 PM
wey i come form dutty they call dat basket..and it doh whole water..lol...try yuh best eh..lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 20, 2006, 09:00:44 PM
If this was not serious, it would be real funny.

No amount of educated debate will get everybody to agree .. why take a look at what's been happening for millennia

dey fighting over there since long time

God send Moses and dey did not get it
God send Jesus and dey still eh get it
God den send Mohammad and nothing yet.

I waiting for the next prophet/messiah to solve the problem
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: trinbago on July 20, 2006, 09:02:54 PM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.

Israel didnt start the war okay it was the nations that was surrounding it tried to invade Israel and then they defended themselves pushed them out and created a bufffer boundary that was the gaza and West bank.....get yuh facts straight !
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 09:05:31 PM
If this was not serious, it would be real funny.

No amount of educated debate will get everybody to agree .. why take a look at what's been happening for millennia

dey fighting over there since long time

God send Moses and dey did not get it
God send Jesus and dey still eh get it
God den send Mohammad and nothing yet.

I waiting for the next prophet/messiah to solve the problem

yuh for get Bahá'u'lláh...founder of de bahai faith as far a si understand...their center is in de mideast also.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 20, 2006, 09:10:42 PM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.

Israel didnt start the war okay it was the nations that was surrounding it tried to invade Israel and then they defended themselves pushed them out and created a bufffer boundary that was the gaza and West bank.....get yuh facts straight !

No, you get YOUR facts straight. The Arab nations only intervened afterwards and even then they were initially reluctant, but dey had buy de fight none the less. But I guess people will always interpret things in ways that will suit them and they'll always find things to prove what they agree with so it really doesn't matter. The Palestinians and the Israelis had their skirmishes from the onset, I'm not going to deny that, but what is going on today is largely due to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Can you deny it?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 20, 2006, 09:13:41 PM
If this was not serious, it would be real funny.

No amount of educated debate will get everybody to agree .. why take a look at what's been happening for millennia

dey fighting over there since long time

God send Moses and dey did not get it
God send Jesus and dey still eh get it
God den send Mohammad and nothing yet.

I waiting for the next prophet/messiah to solve the problem

yuh for get Bahá'u'lláh...founder of de bahai faith as far a si understand...their center is in de mideast also.

Sorry ..interestingly enough, I am going to a Bahai prayr meeting tomorrow.  My neighbour invited me ... her son is in Israel now (he can hear the rockets). I suppose I am going out of courtsey as well that they included us out of respect for us as neighbours and thge fact their son is literally in the line of fire.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 20, 2006, 09:18:22 PM
If this was not serious, it would be real funny.

No amount of educated debate will get everybody to agree .. why take a look at what's been happening for millennia

dey fighting over there since long time

God send Moses and dey did not get it
God send Jesus and dey still eh get it
God den send Mohammad and nothing yet.

I waiting for the next prophet/messiah to solve the problem

yuh for get Bahá'u'lláh...founder of de bahai faith as far a si understand...their center is in de mideast also.

Sorry ..interestingly enough, I am going to a Bahai prayr meeting tomorrow.  My neighbour invited me ... her son is in Israel now (he can hear the rockets). I suppose I am going out of courtsey as well that they included us out of respect for us as neighbours and thge fact their son is literally in the line of fire.
yes man all life precious....circumstances and chance...fate all dat jaz.....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: berris on July 20, 2006, 09:20:28 PM
here we go again  ::) ::)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: trinbago on July 20, 2006, 10:31:30 PM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.

Israel didnt start the war okay it was the nations that was surrounding it tried to invade Israel and then they defended themselves pushed them out and created a bufffer boundary that was the gaza and West bank.....get yuh facts straight !

No, you get YOUR facts straight. The Arab nations only intervened afterwards and even then they were initially reluctant, but dey had buy de fight none the less. But I guess people will always interpret things in ways that will suit them and they'll always find things to prove what they agree with so it really doesn't matter. The Palestinians and the Israelis had their skirmishes from the onset, I'm not going to deny that, but what is going on today is largely due to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Can you deny it?

If you are saying this is Israels fault for this conflict currently, why is the Arab league of Nations unanamously is supporting Isrrael and not Lebanon or Hamas ???
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 20, 2006, 10:50:49 PM
If you are saying this is Israels fault for this conflict currently, why is the Arab league of Nations unanamously is supporting Isrrael and not Lebanon or Hamas

bago where you get that info from boy?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 20, 2006, 11:56:32 PM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:

It eh dat Everybody ignoring her, she talking bout stuff she don't know.  I reading everybody  else post and answering We done with she.......


She putting done things that we already know and went pass. She needs to go before them dates to know how deep this thing is. Before the Isreally state and before the First Israel PM. She believes it stated only on dem dates she put down. She needs history lessons.  I know where Organic coming from with what he saying but not even he who on she side could understand where she coming from. She just posting and posting and posting. and showing her ignorance of all, again all the facts... She dont even know what happened 2wks ago. I ask she and she talk bout I is de history man dat he history dat is present.......

IGNORE TOPPAs POST IGNORE
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Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 12:02:15 AM
DIAS IT??..IT DONE?? ARREADY??

Three big man ...welL,,,,, two big man peltin arrogance left and right...pin dong de 'poor' gyirl

Yuh mean to say de gyirl spin up with ah history fact roundhouse and knock allyuh tuh f**k out???

Get up!!! allyuh lazy $%@$#@!! & debate...leh we go!!!

ah buy ah case of orville redenbacher,,it cyah go to waste

Big hard back man stickin fingers in dey ears and ketch ah shor-yuu-kenn from ah GURRRRRL!!


 ;D :devil:

I was doing some work online and say lemme see if dis gurl still chatting foolishness and I see she tire out ThemanFriday and Organic and I eh go lie I real tired. Then I see your post. You is a setup man  you eh getting me in dat. :rotfl: I go be real quiet tomorrow  :devil:

She eh tire me out It was late in de night here I live in Germany some 5-6 hrs ahead of you all and I have a job that needs me there early... I eh go waste my time with 1948 when she eh know bout 2006 and I went back further to 70AD. Ask her what happened in de Roman Era AD before the Ottwah Era when Syria and Palestine was formed who owned de land then and was driven out.. I laid that down fuh she but she dont know....

She wanna talk bout UN Divide. This goes back before that and again it is a culture you must understand to understand the war..
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 12:06:19 AM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.

Israel didnt start the war okay it was the nations that was surrounding it tried to invade Israel and then they defended themselves pushed them out and created a bufffer boundary that was the gaza and West bank.....get yuh facts straight !
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thank you for you knowledge... but IGNORE SHE
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Preacher on July 21, 2006, 12:06:28 AM
sorry ah reach late...but ah have to give my 5 cents.....

First of all we need to pray for the people over there, that God would have mercy in this time.

Secondly all the Israel bashers be careful.  They are God's chosen people.  God chose to bring salvation to the Jew first and then to the
Gentile (You and me).  God says concerning Israel..."I will bless them that bless you and curse them them curse you"   So watch allyuh mouth.

Thirdly, Britian didn't make Israel by giving them land.  Their land was taken from them, that's how they ended up all over the world.  The reinstatement of Israel as a nation was simply prophesy being fulfilled. 

Fourthly, why doesn't God intervene on a global scale to stop wars and abortions?  The answer is in Gen.1:26. God gave us power over this planet, we can choose good or evil.  He does intervene on a personal level to help clarify decisions that would affect others but we still choose for ourself.

As it relates to why things are the way they are with Israel and arabian nations? The answer in the bible read Gen:16. paying specific attention to verse 11. Short version: God tell Abraham he getting a son at 100. He wife didn't believe so she let Abs do a ting with the servant name Hagar. She get pregnant with Ishmael. Abs wife then put she out ah the house.  Ads wife Sarah got pregenat like the Lord said with Isaac.  Isaac got the inheritance and Ishmael got bitter and felt robbed.  Sound familiar?  The message here is, don't doubt God and only help when asked. Keep yuh tail quiet

This is not the end of the world...
1.  Once they fighting the world will continue. When they not fighting then WATCH OUT!!!! "For when they say peace and safety then comes SUDDEN destruction"
2.  The next thing to happen on the prophetic calendar is the coming of the Lord in the sky The Rapture.  This is when the Lord come to take his people and Holy Spirit from this planet.  If you think it bad now imagine people with no more restraint at all.

My hope as we see this end time situation with Israel and the Arab nations is that all allyuh fellas give allyuh hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ.  Presently, to escape the troubles of this world's end is free.  Jesus already paid for us with his life.  After the Rapture you'll have to pay for yourself with your own life or serve the beast.

Pray for your countries, pray for your governments and pray for your children. It's God's will that all men be saved but we have free will. 

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 12:09:56 AM
If you are saying this is Israels fault for this conflict currently, why is the Arab league of Nations unanamously is supporting Isrrael and not Lebanon or Hamas

bago where you get that info from boy?

Precher wait nah Ah wasn't trying to go there but thanks ;D

Any how Ricky you apparently doh have a tv or radio in you neighbourhood so I forgive you fuh dat question.......
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Preacher on July 21, 2006, 12:13:36 AM
Themanfriday boy I jess come on here and see this thread have 9 pages. So i had to say a thing. This have to be the longest post in the history of this board.  wey the stats men? They must be sleep...I doubt them in Germany like you.. ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 12:20:49 AM
I up and at work now... I must say though I am very glad for your post but they would never understand the war between the 2 brothers.... I took them back as far back as history could take them without using bible but they doh wann understand maybe dat is what dey need. I just hope it doh turn into ah religious battle  here on de thread.....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 21, 2006, 12:24:55 AM
If you are saying this is Israels fault for this conflict currently, why is the Arab league of Nations unanamously is supporting Isrrael and not Lebanon or Hamas

bago where you get that info from boy?

Precher wait nah Ah wasn't trying to go there but thanks ;D

Any how Ricky you apparently doh have a tv or radio in you neighbourhood so I forgive you fuh dat question.......

fellas from what i see and hear a few of dem eh agree with Hezbollah and what dey doing PRE WAR but dey eh backing Israel now
If allyuh hearin that they backing  Israel...that i want to see.....

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060717/NEWS06/607170408/1012
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738698.html
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Preacher on July 21, 2006, 12:30:40 AM
I up and at work now... I must say though I am very glad for your post but they would never understand the war between the 2 brothers.... I took them back as far back as history could take them without using bible but they doh wann understand maybe dat is what dey need. I just hope it doh turn into ah religious battle  here on de thread.....

Yeah well you jerk my memory dey when ah was reading through the other posts.  Is 2 brother oui.  It that simple.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 12:33:27 AM
Ricky I answered you in our PMs thank you.

CULTURAL INTERPRETATION

Correction: Like I said before Lebanon and its PPL are not bad it is the HEZBOLLAH.
HAMAS: Is an elected Government that has stated they do not want peace with Israel....

Just got to love it
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Trinimassive on July 21, 2006, 01:59:37 AM
sorry ah reach late...but ah have to give my 5 cents.....

First of all we need to pray for the people over there, that God would have mercy in this time.

Secondly all the Israel bashers be careful.  They are God's chosen people.  God chose to bring salvation to the Jew first and then to the
Gentile (You and me).  God says concerning Israel..."I will bless them that bless you and curse them them curse you"   So watch allyuh mouth.

Thirdly, Britian didn't make Israel by giving them land.  Their land was taken from them, that's how they ended up all over the world.  The reinstatement of Israel as a nation was simply prophesy being fulfilled. 

Fourthly, why doesn't God intervene on a global scale to stop wars and abortions?  The answer is in Gen.1:26. God gave us power over this planet, we can choose good or evil.  He does intervene on a personal level to help clarify decisions that would affect others but we still choose for ourself.

As it relates to why things are the way they are with Israel and arabian nations? The answer in the bible read Gen:16. paying specific attention to verse 11. Short version: God tell Abraham he getting a son at 100. He wife didn't believe so she let Abs do a ting with the servant name Hagar. She get pregnant with Ishmael. Abs wife then put she out ah the house.  Ads wife Sarah got pregenat like the Lord said with Isaac.  Isaac got the inheritance and Ishmael got bitter and felt robbed.  Sound familiar?  The message here is, don't doubt God and only help when asked. Keep yuh tail quiet

This is not the end of the world...
1.  Once they fighting the world will continue. When they not fighting then WATCH OUT!!!! "For when they say peace and safety then comes SUDDEN destruction"
2.  The next thing to happen on the prophetic calendar is the coming of the Lord in the sky The Rapture.  This is when the Lord come to take his people and Holy Spirit from this planet.  If you think it bad now imagine people with no more restraint at all.

My hope as we see this end time situation with Israel and the Arab nations is that all allyuh fellas give allyuh hearts to the Lord Jesus Christ.  Presently, to escape the troubles of this world's end is free.  Jesus already paid for us with his life.  After the Rapture you'll have to pay for yourself with your own life or serve the beast.

Pray for your countries, pray for your governments and pray for your children. It's God's will that all men be saved but we have free will. 



Ah just reach back

And ah knew it...it was only a matter of time before somebody talk bout religion directly.

Preacher I doh see God approving Nuclear Weapons in the "Holy Land."  I doh see God approving that atall.  Neither the killing of innocent people and the bombing of buildings, bridges, airport, or shops.

If yuh could only go over there and give dem some ah that...as the song say.... "ole time religion."  But ah suspect if yuh either side would use yuh fuh target practice.

Yuh mean well anyway :chilling:
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 21, 2006, 02:47:53 AM
Hello all,
Did you all buy that book I recommended ?
Because I see people still making up stuff !
Man friday I already told you cannot use the jewsih expulsion in 70 AD as a reason otherwise G Bush would have to get his hick trailer park ass back to yorkshire.
In additon please read on how British Palestine became Israel  ............yes by terroism.
Israeli guerilla groups bombed any place where british civilans (not army) gathered. Eventually with the loss of life Britain wanted to get the hell out of there ASAP, especially as they were not interested in losing lives for a piece of desert.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 03:12:44 AM
Hello all,
Did you all buy that book I recommended ?
Because I see people still making up stuff !
Man friday I already told you cannot use the jewsih expulsion in 70 AD as a reason otherwise G Bush would have to get his hick trailer park ass back to yorkshire.
In additon please read on how British Palestine became Israel  ............yes by terroism.
Israeli guerilla groups bombed any place where british civilans (not army) gathered. Eventually with the loss of life Britain wanted to get the hell out of there ASAP, especially as they were not interested in losing lives for a piece of desert.

apparently you didn't read that book either. And how do you expect me to buy a book online yesterday and have it today...IDIOT....

You say I can't use the expulsion but here you are using the history about the Israeli gueerillas. take about being a hipocrite...... Plus the guerillas only wanted to take back what was originally theirs from the pre-stated expulsion........

If I can't use that historical fact then that nulifies yours too...
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 03:16:55 AM
Hello all,
Did you all buy that book I recommended ?
Because I see people still making up stuff !
Man friday I already told you cannot use the jewsih expulsion in 70 AD as a reason otherwise G Bush would have to get his hick trailer park ass back to yorkshire.
In additon please read on how British Palestine became Israel  ............yes by terroism.
Israeli guerilla groups bombed any place where british civilans (not army) gathered. Eventually with the loss of life Britain wanted to get the hell out of there ASAP, especially as they were not interested in losing lives for a piece of desert.


I have a question for all please reply with an answer not a question.

Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime... 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 21, 2006, 03:30:29 AM
Okay thanks for calling me an idiot, I wasnt being serious about people buying the book already, I was joking but in future I will be more judicious with my use of smiley faces and winks etc.

I was using an example of Israeli terroism to enlighten people that the Palestinan's do not have a monoply on it this was not directed at you alone. I also believe somthing that happened 60 years ago is more relevant than 2,000 years ago but obviously not. If you could reveal what time line I am allowed I am sure I can work with that as well. We could always mention the refugee camp massacre under Sharons leadship or is that too old ......or too recent ?
You seem to believe that I am pro palestinian and anti Israel..........well I am not. I am just trying to open people eyes to both sides of the story.
I just find it sad that people believe you can defeat people who are fighting for their land. Just as Israel fought for its very existence against the invasion of the arab alliance so the palestinans will fight for there land to the end.
How does killing 300 lebanese (mostly children) help ?

All I  am saying is that unless Israel withdraws from the OCCUPIED territories this will never stop. It will probably wont stop then eithier but I am sure Israelis will fell a lot better not having 2 million palestinians living in their country (who cant vote and dont have passports)

sorry this is just one idiots view
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 03:39:25 AM
You have to go far in history to understand the present... This is the culture of these PPL their history is the present life. History is all they have and fight for... and believe you me this goes back to near the beginning of the earth... I am not saying Israel did everything right... I am saying that what is going on now and what started it is HEZbollah's fault and they must be dealt with... Please read some prior post because I dont want to repeat myselff over and over..... I must say though again I do believe tht there should be a limit to what israel is doing but I am on the outside watching and If it was my two daughters that was kidnapped I would probably use alot less restraint than Israel everyone inocent and guilty would be dead... NOW AGAIN BEFORE SOMEONE GETS ME WRONG I SAID IF IT WAS MY DAUGHTERS(my blood)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Feliziano on July 21, 2006, 05:00:01 AM
If this was not serious, it would be real funny.

No amount of educated debate will get everybody to agree .. why take a look at what's been happening for millennia

dey fighting over there since long time

God send Moses and dey did not get it
God send Jesus and dey still eh get it
God den send Mohammad and nothing yet.

I waiting for the next prophet/messiah to solve the problem

yeah it go be the Anti-Christ  :devil:
but then as Preacher say when fighting stop..that go really be the end.

allyuh where Nostradamus stand in all ah this nonsense?lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 05:59:02 AM
Before anyone adds to this Thread this is  a manditory QUESTION


Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime...   
 
 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 06:14:54 AM
Before anyone adds to this Thread this is  a manditory QUESTION


Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime...   
 
 


Awright ...

The issue here is redress and where to draw the line and how far back do you go.

Throughout the history of mankind, nations have conquered nations and ppl are subjected to the will of another. Eventually (we hope) stability is reached and a new nation is born of the conquered and the conquerer.

To answer your question, I cannot suppor the uprise of the NA aboriginals ... they were conquered ..c'est la vie.  But dat doh mean we cannot treat all ppl with respect and fair and equitable treatment

But you cannot compare North America to the Middle East so i think your question is a moot point.

But you were demanding an answer ... so there ..
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 06:17:04 AM
sorry ah reach late...but ah have to give my 5 cents.....
eh boy ...it use to be 2 cents ... This post was a bargoon to get 5 cents instead of 2 cents worth.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 06:19:05 AM
Before anyone adds to this Thread this is  a manditory QUESTION


Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime...   

The American Indians are too few in number to reclaim all of America.
They have been given "reservations" where I think even some of the laws might be slightly different (not sure).  But they not independent countries or anything.
That part about having the same fighting power is real hard to imagine.
I could see them getting a piece of land somewhere...maybe by a border or something but it would take some war to get that.
But this question is a real stretch with that same fighting power bit.
Allyuh give we some maps with the timelines nah!!
I will look but this so heated I sure people have all kinda different ting out there.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 06:24:31 AM
Before anyone adds to this Thread this is  a manditory QUESTION


Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime...   

The American Indians are too few in number to reclaim all of America.
They have been given "reservations" where I think even some of the laws might be slightly different (not sure).  But they not independent countries or anything.
That part about having the same fighting power is real hard to imagine.
I could see them getting a piece of land somewhere...maybe by a border or something but it would take some war to get that.
But this question is a real stretch with that same fighting power bit.
Allyuh give we some maps with the timelines nah!!
I will look but this so heated I sure people have all kinda different ting out there.

Please read the question it is a what if...... WHO would you support? forget all that mombo you talking answer de question
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 06:28:59 AM
Before anyone adds to this Thread this is  a manditory QUESTION


Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime...   
 
 

hypothethically? its almost impossible to answer that question. what if all black ppl decided to be repatriated to africa? and israel is not the jews home land alone eh. jews have been merchants and gypys of a sort for hundreds of years. they ahve been in europe all over. and the muslims could argue mr preacher that they are gods chosen people. belief aside the main problems with man when it comes to religion is that every body figure they know what god wants and they have the best interpretation of books "MEN" right.
 it comes back to fighting for land...or homeland , or oil it matters not whole sale slaughter of womena nd children is wrong. it doesnt matter what reason or by whom it is perpetrated. your guys arguing for and agsint groups of people who both kill each other all the time and blame each for the killings that they perpetrate. and i had stated that jews began terrorism, but who cares who statrted it...i would have said the chickens coming home, but someone would have invented it given time.
all those groups have much claim to that land as anyone else. the fact is these people killing each other is silly, just as what hitler, pol pot, idi amin stalin, tojo and americans exterminationg american indians and british, spanish etc imperialts in the 1600's-1900's to thier colonists.
once a powerful group sees somehtign as rightfully thiers be it true or not they will try to take it. rightoussnes is one of the biggest problem wiht religon and hence man..because men invented relion to justify thier exsistence. spirituality supercedes all religion, especially since  by and large they teach the same thing
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 06:30:15 AM
Before anyone adds to this Thread this is  a manditory QUESTION


Question: Hypothetically, If the American Indian decide to uprise and reclaim the Americas... who will you support? answer this and I will know where you stand.. now this if if they have the same ammunition and fighting power as the current regime...   


Friday ... I answered your question.  I am kinda curious because you feel the answer to this questions will let you know where I stand.  So where do you think I stand based on my answer.

Doh forget, I living in Canada and have dealt directly with Aboriginals and probably have abetter insight into a few of the issues than many on this forum (but by no means am I an expert).  My business partner is also aboriginal.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 06:31:06 AM
Please read the question it is a what if...... WHO would you support? forget all that mombo you talking answer de question

Arite mr. know it all.

If both sides have equal fighting power (as dotish a "what if" that is), then the only way they will have peace is if they have sovereign states.
So the most sensible thing to do is find somewhere for them to live that minimizes the amount of future potential conflict.  That is why I said a piece of land by de border (apparently that answer wasn't good enough)
I don't consider that supporting either side but if you want then call it supporting the AI.
It's pretty much the basis for any group of people declaring independence and claiming lands (once u didn't come from outside of course).


Now bring some maps!!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 06:32:44 AM
I know all de what ifs here but yuh still eh answer de question stop analysing abd answer
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 06:34:17 AM

I don't consider that supporting either side but if you want then call it supporting the AI.

just in case u was talking to me   ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 06:35:40 AM
right now allyuh atcing like both sides...jus spewing one set ah circular rethoric  that will lead no where.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 06:38:43 AM
I know all de what ifs here but yuh still eh answer de question stop analysing abd answer

two man answer yuh question arready......yuh readin de posts?

or yuh just peltin arrogance?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 06:38:59 AM

I don't consider that supporting either side but if you want then call it supporting the AI.

just in case u was talking to me   ;D
I was posting while you were ignore that post. he types faster than me ;D


All I am saying is that in this issue Israel does have the right. Maybe they may be going a little too far with this right but that is another issue. In answering AI you answered ISrael to the issue at hand. but I can see that to you 1948 is all that matters and to the Jews and Muslims (Radical muslims) it goes deeper alot deeper.

Not all that Israel has done they where in the right I have admitted that so many times before but every one else is saying that the HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH is alway right with their actions because of "OCCUPATION"
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 06:41:52 AM
well I go support de non native americans

if de indian take back dey land....hollywood movies,,butgers and popcorn DONE yuh know...I cyah survive




friday I eh sure I followin your train of thought...is your whole argument centered around a bible issue?
or does your argument start from when the 'modern' day state of israel was created...you know, the one with the star of david flag?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 06:47:46 AM
I base my argue ment on history even before the star david flag.... I have read the  bible  but also the korran  and the RED BOOK how ever you spell it has had great history for me to read on. Library and so on.  I I can not give Hezbollah right for what they did. Lebanon suffers because of the few. But something must be done... something had to be done....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 06:53:07 AM
I base my argue ment on history even before the star david flag.... I have read the  bible  but also the korran  and the RED BOOK how ever you spell it has had great history for me to read on. Library and so on.  I I can not give Hezbollah right for what they did. Lebanon suffers because of the few. But something must be done... something had to be done....

Friday, still curious ... where do you think I stand ?? i answered your question as requested.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 06:55:45 AM
Could we agree they both have rightful claim to some lands?
And is a matter of justly allocating those lands so that both can function as soverign states?

We in modern times so I am guessing the UN would be the correct body to adjudicate though it was rightly pointed out they are not an actual authority.

That is why I asking for maps.  Even if dem two Hs want to drive them all the way out doh mean the borders shouldn't be at least recognized.

I believe is the Lebanese army fault for what happening.  They have a militant group in their country firing into another country and they not doing anything about it.  That is like Abu set up shop on Chacachacare to fight Venezuela and we just leave him dere.  Cah work....dey bound to fire back and they have a right to fire back at Mucurapo road and anywhere else he have his gangs.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: superoli on July 21, 2006, 06:59:05 AM
okay I agree something had to be done but now we have the situation that because of two kidnapped soldiers (not dead as far as we know)
we have 29 dead Israelis (14 civilains) and 330 dead Lebanese (mostly civilian). I cannot see how this makes sense ! I am sure the two captured soldiers would not have wanted to see all these deaths because of them.

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 07:01:52 AM
I believe that you know that Israel has a right to defend themselves but there is a line as to how far they can go. You do not want the lebanies PPL to suffer. This is also my train of though but I would support the Lebonise if it was them Israel attacked without cause. But we all know this is not what happened and to stay here blindly and say Israel is wrong only because I hate them is also wrong..  If my child gets into a fight with someone elses I would not just talk my childs side without knowing the details. If she is wrong I will tell her and deal with it accordingly. If she is right then AL HELL BREAKIN LOOSE ;D ah go refree like a bias WWE refferee.  ;D

What do you think I am trying to say in all my post.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 07:03:45 AM
Could we agree they both have rightful claim to some lands?
And is a matter of justly allocating those lands so that both can function as soverign states?

We in modern times so I am guessing the UN would be the correct body to adjudicate though it was rightly pointed out they are not an actual authority.

That is why I asking for maps.  Even if dem two Hs want to drive them all the way out doh mean the borders shouldn't be at least recognized.

I believe is the Lebanese army fault for what happening.  They have a militant group in their country firing into another country and they not doing anything about it.  That is like Abu set up shop on Chacachacare to fight Venezuela and we just leave him dere.  Cah work....dey bound to fire back and they have a right to fire back at Mucurapo road and anywhere else he have his gangs.

I can AGREE with you there by fight is not with Muslims or Lebanese PPL it is with Hezbollah
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 07:06:51 AM
okay I agree something had to be done but now we have the situation that because of two kidnapped soldiers (not dead as far as we know)
we have 29 dead Israelis (14 civilains) and 330 dead Lebanese (mostly civilian). I cannot see how this makes sense ! I am sure the two captured soldiers would not have wanted to see all these deaths because of them.



Yes they all had warnings of bombings that the only ones that should stay is fighters that want to battle ;D doh say it ah know..... ISrael evacuated while the Lebanese Gov,t left their PPL there
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 07:08:33 AM
allyuh jokey yes.....allyuh jus repeating the same things over and over...i eh posting again until someone either post real shit...or allyuh relaise it eh make sense arguing about this..in this manner...
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 07:16:39 AM
Ok I find a map.
Doh blame me if it inaccurate or misleading in any way.

(http://morgan.ucs.mun.ca/~ijones/Palestine.jpg)

source: morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 21, 2006, 07:20:54 AM
This Thread needs to be moved to General Disscussion..

Well may vacation start this evening ah think ah go take a break from here too ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 07:23:26 AM
A next one.

(http://www.americantaskforce.org/palestine_map.gif)

source:americantaskforce.org
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 07:43:44 AM
okay I agree something had to be done but now we have the situation that because of two kidnapped soldiers (not dead as far as we know)
we have 29 dead Israelis (14 civilains) and 330 dead Lebanese (mostly civilian). I cannot see how this makes sense ! I am sure the two captured soldiers would not have wanted to see all these deaths because of them.



Yes they all had warnings of bombings that the only ones that should stay is fighters that want to battle ;D doh say it ah know..... ISrael evacuated while the Lebanese Gov,t left their PPL there

My propoganda machine indicates that is not quite accurate
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 08:04:01 AM
what is blatantly missing from these maps is the time when Moses led the people out of Egypt across the red sea.  Maybe the UN should re-instate those boundaries.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: fishs on July 21, 2006, 08:09:32 AM
 Ah relly doh mine if big men decide to kill each other.

  But dey should develop ah smart bomb dat doh kill good looking pussy..... what ah waste ....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 08:10:02 AM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.

Israel didnt start the war okay it was the nations that was surrounding it tried to invade Israel and then they defended themselves pushed them out and created a bufffer boundary that was the gaza and West bank.....get yuh facts straight !

No, you get YOUR facts straight. The Arab nations only intervened afterwards and even then they were initially reluctant, but dey had buy de fight none the less. But I guess people will always interpret things in ways that will suit them and they'll always find things to prove what they agree with so it really doesn't matter. The Palestinians and the Israelis had their skirmishes from the onset, I'm not going to deny that, but what is going on today is largely due to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Can you deny it?

If you are saying this is Israels fault for this conflict currently, why is the Arab league of Nations unanamously is supporting Isrrael and not Lebanon or Hamas ???

Are you stupid? The Arab nations were the ones who were trying to force the UN to interneve but the US VETOED the resolution.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 08:15:07 AM
And just so you guys know, although as soon as I say this you'd say that you already knew about it, yeah, sure.

When Palestine was partitioned into an Arab state and a Jewish state and the latter declared themselves Israel, they then sought to wage a war in 1948 to occupy 77% of Palestine. It was only after the Palestinians were expelled or fled that Egypt and Jordan occupied some parts of the Palestinian state that never truly came into being because of the war started by Israel, okay? But I'm sure you already knew that.

Israel didnt start the war okay it was the nations that was surrounding it tried to invade Israel and then they defended themselves pushed them out and created a bufffer boundary that was the gaza and West bank.....get yuh facts straight !

No, you get YOUR facts straight. The Arab nations only intervened afterwards and even then they were initially reluctant, but dey had buy de fight none the less. But I guess people will always interpret things in ways that will suit them and they'll always find things to prove what they agree with so it really doesn't matter. The Palestinians and the Israelis had their skirmishes from the onset, I'm not going to deny that, but what is going on today is largely due to Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine. Can you deny it?

If you are saying this is Israels fault for this conflict currently, why is the Arab league of Nations unanamously is supporting Isrrael and not Lebanon or Hamas ???

Are you stupid? The Arab nations were the ones who were trying to force the UN to interneve but the US VETOED the resolution.

It starting again ... Dutty .. where deh popcorn?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 08:16:04 AM
The Man Friday you just being an idiot. What, you don't like to be proven wrong by an 18 yr old girl?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 08:17:44 AM
what is blatantly missing from these maps is the time when Moses led the people out of Egypt across the red sea.  Maybe the UN should re-instate those boundaries.
lmao.......u liek thign eh
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 08:23:09 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 08:28:59 AM
The Man Friday you just being an idiot. What, you don't like to be proven wrong by an 18 yr old girl?

Thats right..a GURRRRRRRRRRRRRLL!!

and he is ah MAN and today self is he day.....ah know yuh lurkin, doh preten yuh packin suitcase  :devil:







but wait,,Toppa wuh de ass..it mus be 7 o clock a.m. in arizona,,yuh get out yuh bed lookin for war?? yuh brush yuh teet yet??


Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 08:34:42 AM
The Man Friday you just being an idiot. What, you don't like to be proven wrong by an 18 yr old girl?
but wait,,Toppa wuh de ass..it mus be 7 o clock a.m. in arizona,,yuh get out yuh bed lookin for war?? yuh brush yuh teet yet??




lmao I doh know nah, ah just couldn't sleep no more.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 08:36:17 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread

Especially YOU   ;D

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 08:42:21 AM

So that old old proposed map by the UN. (1947)
Is that what they still currently recommend or is that dad and buried.
Cuz Toppa u can't use that if they no longer say it valid with all that went on in betw.

So I see "Internationally Recignized" on the 2000 map....the same one u will always see on the news.
Internationally recognized by who exactly?  Cuz I not sure if the Arab governments go by that map or the old 1947 map.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 08:51:18 AM
Israelis See Ther Own Nation as Neighbourhood Bully

by Ira Chernus 
 
You can see Lebanon from my sister’s backyard. She and her family and thousands of others in northern Israel live with a constant roar of gunfire -- mostly from Israeli cannons aiming to kill Lebanese, occasionally from a Hezbollah shell that might land on them.

But the real threat to Israel doesn’t come from Lebanese rockets. The real threat comes from the Israelis themselves -- and the rest of the world -- forgetting how and why this war started.

Israel does not go to war just to retrieve kidnapped soldiers. In the past, it has been ready to ransom them by returning Palestinian and Lebanese captives that it holds, just as the kidnappers ask. So why war now? For answers I’ve turned to Jewish writers in Israel’s top newspaper, Ha’aretz.

Last month the two main Palestinian factions, Hamas and Fatah, agreed to form a united government and offer Israel a plan for permanent peace. A Ha’aretz columnist observed at the time that the peace offer “should have sparked a wave of positive reactions from Jerusalem … But Jerusalem's ear as usual is blocked to any sound that might advance the peace process.” Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert still insists on his unilateral “convergence” plan, which is merely “a plan to perpetuate the occupation, only under conditions more convenient for Israel. Moreover, at the end of the plan, if it is ever executed, even more settlers will live in the occupied territories than live there now.”

For the Israeli government, another Ha’aretz columnist wrote, “it is best that the Palestinians remain extremists because then no one will ask the government of Israel to negotiate with them. How do we ensure that the Palestinians remain radical? We simply strike at them, over and over.” So Israel responded to the Palestinian offer of negotiated peace with an allout assault on Gaza. That’s how and why it all began.

Now words from Jewish writers in Ha’aretz in the past week:

“The Israel Defense Forces once again looks like the neighborhood bully. … One and only one language is spoken by Israel, the language of force. The IDF absorbed two painful blows, which were particularly humiliating, and in their wake went into a war that is all about restoring its lost dignity.”

“The camouflage concealing the war's real goals was ripped off by this defense minister [Peretz], who says what he means: ‘[Hezbollah leader] Nasrallah is going to get it so bad that he will never forget the name Amir Peretz,’ he bragged, like a typical bully.”

“[Prime Minister] Olmert's cocktail of remarks has included threats (‘We'll grit our teeth and knock them silly,’ and ‘We'll have these Hamas leaders weeping and wailing. No one who messes with us is going to get off scot free.’")

“Lior Horev, Olmert's strategic adviser, says: ‘Such fundamental issues as self-image and standing in the international arena are critically challenged.’”

“Releasing prisoners will make us look like suckers.”

“Another generation of impassioned youngsters is growing up around us and screaming over the Internet: ‘Stick it to them.’ … On television there still will be the same generals, with the same conception, with the same short and limited range of strategic understanding, and they will win the same enthusiasm from the public that just wants to ‘stick it to them.’ This trigger finger thought in terms of ‘who will stick more to whom.’"

“While we're in no hurry to get to the negotiating table, we're eager to get to the battlefield and the killing without delay, without taking any time to think. That deepens suspicions that we need a war every few years, with terrifying repetition, even if afterward we end up back in exactly the same position.”

Why need a war every few years? Turn for a moment from Ha’aretz, often called the Hebrew equivalent of the New York Times, to the real New York Times, where Israeli novelist Etgar Keret pulled back the curtain. Among Israeli Jews, Keret wrote, after the attack on Lebanon began, “there was a small gleam in almost everyone’s eyes, a kind of unconscious breath of relief. … We long for a real war to take the place of all those exhausting years of intifada when there was no black or white, only gray … Once again, we’re a small country surrounded by enemies, fighting for our lives, not a strong, occupying country forced to fight daily against a civilian population. So is it any wonder that we’re all secretly just a tiny bit relieved?”

The idea of Israel as a tiny victim fighting for its life may be comforting for Israelis, but it is an illusion. My sister and her family are obviously scared, with good reason. Some Israelis have died, and every life is precious. But she goes to work every day as usual. It sounds like her biggest immediate problem is her dog, who trembles and whimpers at the continual sound of Israeli gunfire. “Massive wave of Katyushas strikes northern Israel; No injuries reported,” she reads in the latest Ha’aretz headline.

On the other side of the border, my brother-in-law writes, “most of the Shi'ite villages and towns that have been pounded are destroyed. … The Israelis have continually pounded the Shi'ite Dahia neighborhood [of Beirut], a Hezbollah stronghold, into rubble. The entire population, numbering perhaps up to two hundred thousand people were compelled to abandon their homes.” Well over 200 civilians have already died, and the Israeli Air Force talks about weeks more of the same.

The best writers in Ha’aretz know that some day Israel must give up its bullying, and that means giving up its illusions: the fiction that Israel is an innocent victim, merely responding to unprovoked aggression, and the vain hope that brutal force can restore an insecure bully’s wounded pride. As long as that lethal brew of illusion dominates Israel’s public mind and mood, Israeli bombs will keep on killing in Lebanon and Gaza, and the victims will fight back, endangering Israeli lives too.

Ha’aretz readers have been told the bottom line truth. The cause of this war -- and all of Israel’s problems -- is its refusal to negotiate an end to the occupation of Palestine. “On the southern [Gaza] front we have continued waging a dubious war with no clear objective, wrapped up with intercessions and excuses that do not manage to hide our refusal to speak with the Palestinians.” “There is no basic justice in adhering to occupied territory.” “The siege on the Hamas government is not weakening it. On the contrary, it is boosting support for it.”

“Israel has no option in the long run other than withdrawing from the territories and from the occupation. … Israel's interest is for the Palestinians to live a life of plenty and well-being.” But if this Israeli government “sinks into the destructive, meaningless routines that characterized its predecessors, the rest of the decade will turn into a disaster zone.”

 http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0719-33.htm
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 08:57:53 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread

Especially YOU   ;D


YES I INCLUDED...but allyuh eh makin sense cause everyone claiming to be more or less nuetral....but fighting die hard on one pt..lol...allyuh ahppy yes..look toppa went and brig an article....for allyuh like if that proves anythign... anybody coudla write that. i wonder if she use to play moral or hop sciotch wiht that persona dn could vouch for them. toppa i hear manning have 3 outside chidlren with ah chindian from rio. 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 09:00:50 AM

Arite...so what is the occupied territory they talking about.
I doh suppose that is the extra land from the 1947 map?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:02:18 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread

Especially YOU   ;D


YES I INCLUDED...but allyuh eh makin sense cause everyone claiming to be more or less nuetral....but fighting die hard on one pt..lol...allyuh ahppy yes..look toppa went and brig an article....for allyuh like if that proves anythign... anybody coudla write that. i wonder if she use to play moral or hop sciotch wiht that persona dn could vouch for them. toppa i hear manning have 3 outside chidlren with ah chindian from rio. 

Thatss nice. And if you didn't read the article, how do you know what it proves and doesn't prove, or whether it poves anything at all?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:04:19 AM

Arite...so what is the occupied territory they talking about.
I doh suppose that is the extra land from the 1947 map?

The portion of the 1947 Map you posted that says "self rule", that's Palestine. Hope you noticed how it just kept getting smaller and smaller as the yrs went by.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 09:08:01 AM

The portion of the 1947 Map you posted that says "self rule", that's Palestine. Hope you noticed how it just kept getting smaller and smaller as the yrs went by.
Wait, u sure about that.
Do the Israeli's recognize that map as the true map and the parts they on as occupied territory?
Can the same be said for the author.
I asking cuz u hear or read about occupied territory and people is be talking about different things.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:17:13 AM

The portion of the 1947 Map you posted that says "self rule", that's Palestine. Hope you noticed how it just kept getting smaller and smaller as the yrs went by.
Wait, u sure about that.
Do the Israeli's recognize that map as the true map and the parts they on as occupied territory?
Can the same be said for the author.
I asking cuz u hear or read about occupied territory and people is be talking about different things.

Even the Israelis don't deny that they are occpying Palestine but they do so under the pretence of National Security.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:18:57 AM
A perilous excursion into the distant past, starting seven whole weeks ago[/I]

As the  tv networks give  unlimited airtime to Israel’s apologists, the message rolls out that no nation, least of all Israel, can permit bombardment or armed incursion  across its borders without retaliation.

The guiding rule in this tsunami of drivel is that the viewers should be denied the slightest access to any historical context, or indeed to anything that happened prior to June 28, which was when the capture of an Israeli soldier and the killing of two others by Hamas hit the headlines, followed soon thereafter by an attack by a unit of Hezbollah’s fighters.

Memory is supposed to stop in its tracks at June 28, 2006.

Let’s go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car.  Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.

Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians. 

Now we’re really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing 8 civilians and injuring 32.

That’s just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children.

Israel regrets… But no! Israel doesn’t regret in the least. Most of the time it doesn’t even bother to pretend to regret. It says, “We reserve the right to slaughter Palestinians whenever we want. We reserve the right to assassinate their leaders, crush their homes, steal their water, tear out their olive groves, and when they try to resist we call them terrorists intent on wrecking the ‘peace process’”.

Now Israel says it wants to wipe out Hezbollah. It wishes no harm to the people of Lebanon, just so long as they’re not supporters of Hezbollah, or standing anywhere in the neighborhood of a person or a house or a car or a truck or a road or a bus or a field, or a power station or a port that might, in the mind of an Israeli commander or pilot, have something to do with Hezbollah. In any of those eventualities all bets are off. You or your wife or your mother or your baby get fried.

Israel regrets… But no! As noted above,  it doesn’t regret in the least. Neither does George Bush, nor Condoleezza  Rice nor John Bolton who is  the moral savage who brings shame on his country each day that he sits as America’s ambassador (unconfirmed) at the UN and who has just told the world that a dead Israel civilian is worth a whole more in terms of moral outrage than a Lebanese one.

None of them regrets. They say Hezbollah is a cancer in the body of Lebanon. Sometimes, to kill the cancer, you end up killing the body. Or bodies. Bodies of babies. Lots of them.  Go to the website fromisraeltolebanon.info and take a look. Then sign the petition on the site calling on the governments of the world to stop this barbarity.

You can say that Israel brought Hezbollah into the world. You can prove it too, though this too involves another frightening excursion into history.

This time we have to go far, almost unimaginably far, back into history. Back to 1982, before the dinosaurs, before CNN, before Fox TV, before O’Reilly and Limbaugh. But not before the neo-cons who at that time had already crawled from the primal slime and were doing exactly what they are doing now: advising an American president to give Israel the green light to “solve its security problems” by destroying Lebanon.

In 1982 Israel had a problem. Yasir Arafat, headquartered in Beirut, was making ready to announce that the PLO was prepared to sit down with Israel and embark on peaceful, good faith negotiations towards a two-state solution.

Israel didn’t want a two-state solution, which meant -- if UN resolutions were to be taken seriously -- a Palestinian state right next door, with water, and contiguous territory.  So Israel decided chase the PLO right out of Lebanon. It announced that the Palestinian fighters had broken the year-long cease-fire by lobbing some shells into northern Israel.

Palestinians had done nothing of the sort. I remember this very well, because Brian Urquhart, at that time assistant secretary general of the United Nations, in charge of UN observers on Israel’s northern border, invited me to his office on the 38th floor of the UN hq in mid-Manhattan and showed me all the current reports from the zone. For over a year there’d been no shelling from north of the border. Israel was lying.

With or without a pretext Israel wanted to invade Lebanon. So it did, and rolled up to Beirut. It shelled Lebanese towns and villages and bombed them from the air. Sharon’s forces killed maybe 20,000 people, and let Lebanese Christians slaughter hundreds of Palestinian refugees in the camps of Sabra and Chatilla.

The killing got so bad that even Ronald Reagan awoke from his slumbers and called Tel Aviv to tell Israel to stop. Sharon gave the White House the finger by bombing Beirut at the precise times -- 2.42 and 3.38 -- of two UN resolutions calling for a peaceful settlement on the matter of Palestine.

When the dust settled over the rubble, Israel bunkered down several miles inside Lebanese sovereign territory, which it illegally occupied, in defiance of all UN resolutions, for years, supervising a brutal local militia and running its own version of Abu Graibh, the torture center at the prison of Al-Khiam.

Occupy a country, torture its citizens and in the end you face resistance. In Israel’s case it was Hezbollah, and in the end Hezbollah ran Israel out of Lebanon, which is why a lot of Lebanese regard Hezbollah not as terrorists but as courageous liberators.

The years roll by and Israel does its successful best to destroy all possibility of a viable two-state solution. It builds illegal settlements. It chops up Palestine with Jews-only roads. It collars all the water. It cordons off Jerusalem. It steals even more land by bisecting Palestinian territory with its “fence”. Anyone trying to organize resistance gets jailed, tortured, or blown up.

Sick of their terrible trials,  Palestinians elect Hamas, whose leaders make it perfectly clear that they are ready to deal on the basis of the old two-state solution, which of course is the one thing Israel cannot endure. Israel doesn’t want any “peaceful solution” that gives the Palestinians anything more than a few trashed out acres surrounded with barbed wire and tanks, between the Israeli settlements whose goons can murder them pretty much at will.

So here we are, 24 years after Sharon did his best to destroy Lebanon in 1982, and his heirs are doing it all over again. Since they can’t endure the idea of any just settlement for Palestinians, it’s the only thing they know how to do. Call Lebanon a terror-haven and bomb it back to the stone age. Call Gaza a terror-haven and bomb its power plant, first stop on the journey back to the stone age. Bomb Damascus. Bomb Teheran.

Of course they won’t destroy Hezbollah. Every time they kill another Lebanese family, they multiply hatred of Israel and support for Hezbollah. They’ve even unified the parliament in Baghdad, which just voted unanimously --  Sunnis and Shi’ites and Kurds alike --  to deplore Israel’s conduct and to call for a ceasefire.

I hope you’ve enjoyed these little excursions into history, even though history is dangerous, which is why the US press gives it a wide birth. But even without the benefit of historical instruction, a majority of Americans in CNN’s instant poll –- about 55 per cent out of 800,000 as of midday, July 19 -- don’t like what Israel is up to.

Dislike is one thing, but at least in the short term it doesn’t help much. Israel’s 1982 attack on Lebanon grew unpopular in the US, after the first few days. But forcing the US to pressure Israel to settle the basic problem takes political courage, and virtually no US politician is prepared to buck the Israel lobby, however many families in Lebanon and Gaza may be sacrificed on the altar of such cowardice. 

 http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 09:21:07 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...

Organic,

I have to disagree with your comment about "no body eh prove nuttin.."

It is quite clear that what they have proved is that all the hypotheses cannot be proven.  That in itself is a valid proof.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 09:23:56 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...

Organic,

I have to disagree with your comment about "no body eh prove nuttin.."

It is quite clear that what they have proved is that all the hypotheses cannot be proven.  That in itself is a valid proof.

Ay!! wha kinda big brain ting is dat?? look,,, for dunce man like me on de forum stop dem setta riddles yuh hear
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:27:07 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...

Organic,

I have to disagree with your comment about "no body eh prove nuttin.."

It is quite clear that what they have proved is that all the hypotheses cannot be proven.  That in itself is a valid proof.
stand corrected...but u think toppa will understand what u mean..or jus continue..lol
she have real staying power...they does realys ya ah woman biggest  ;D eapon is she..am.....mouth
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 09:29:15 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...

Organic,

I have to disagree with your comment about "no body eh prove nuttin.."

It is quite clear that what they have proved is that all the hypotheses cannot be proven.  That in itself is a valid proof.

Ay!! wha kinda big brain ting is dat?? look,,, for dunce man like me on de forum stop dem setta riddles yuh hear


ras man ... one line compared to all kinda thesis posted here.  Just trying to keep it simple. :angel:
Ask Organic to explain it (or maybe Toppa)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 21, 2006, 09:29:28 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 09:30:21 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...

Organic,

I have to disagree with your comment about "no body eh prove nuttin.."

It is quite clear that what they have proved is that all the hypotheses cannot be proven.  That in itself is a valid proof.
stand corrected...but u think toppa will understand what u mean..or jus continue..lol
she have real staying power...they does realys ya ah woman biggest  ;D eapon is she..am.....mouth

OK ... is Toppa turn now.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:31:41 AM
lol@dutty and pecan only chookin thing..one set ah basket sharing
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 09:33:37 AM

Organic.
Which map is the right map.
I eh going into who justified for bombing who on this. 
I just want to know which map u believe shows the State of Palestine
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:34:20 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:34:59 AM
no body eh prove nuttin on this thread...only allyuh liek to argue and like ole talk......allyuh arguing over issues that no one else cyah solve..and allyuh have so much feelings...take it to trini..lets dicusss...dey nah eh eh
steups...

Organic,

I have to disagree with your comment about "no body eh prove nuttin.."

It is quite clear that what they have proved is that all the hypotheses cannot be proven.  That in itself is a valid proof.
stand corrected...but u think toppa will understand what u mean..or jus continue..lol
she have real staying power...they does realys ya ah woman biggest  ;D eapon is she..am.....mouth

OK ... is Toppa turn now.

I doh have nothing to say to he.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:36:56 AM

Organic.
Which map is the right map.
I eh going into who justified for bombing who on this. 
I just want to know which map u believe shows the State of Palestine

All yuh have to do is read what the map says yuh know.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:40:02 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.
fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 09:42:42 AM
The Man Friday you just being an idiot. What, you don't like to be proven wrong by an 18 yr old girl?

Ah boy 18?? That explains a lot. BTW Dutty call it arrogance if yer want, I prefer someone who takes the time to base statements on effort made to gain knowledge not just chat for chatting sake.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 09:43:15 AM

All yuh have to do is read what the map says yuh know.

Let the man answer nah.
It have different maps.
U didn't look at the 2nd one what it have for year 2005?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:43:26 AM
my recommendation.u guys look for your info..from academic insitutions...raher than de news reports...especiallyd emaps....i catn say i know which map is totallya ccurate i will eb pulling shit form meh ass...and i liked ot be informed..so i really cant say dcs....but i do know..taking anything from contemporary media..is not fact tainted opnion.... its opnion tainted by  fact....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:45:04 AM
and allyuh realy arguing with toppa look wey sh eliving..arizona.....wey allyuh fele most ha de republican vote does come from..lol.. she eh knwo f de NSA reading she emails..she hadda be arguing she pt..allyuh eh wah she get deported now...do u  ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:45:47 AM
The Man Friday you just being an idiot. What, you don't like to be proven wrong by an 18 yr old girl?

Ah boy 18?? That explains a lot. BTW Dutty call it arrogance if yer want, I prefer someone who takes the time to base statements on effort made to gain knowledge not just chat for chatting sake.

And what statements have I made without basing them on something? Oh yeah,  remember, it was the blasphemous claim that Israel are occupying Palestine lands, oh how dare me!  ::)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 09:46:11 AM
my recommendation.u guys look for your info..from academic insitutions...raher than de news reports...especiallyd emaps....i catn say i know which map is totallya ccurate i will eb pulling shit form meh ass...and i liked ot be informed..so i really cant say dcs....but i do know..taking anything from contemporary media..is not fact tainted opnion.... its opnion tainted by  fact....

The first map was from Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:46:35 AM
and allyuh realy arguing with toppa look wey sh eliving..arizona.....wey allyuh fele most ha de republican vote does come from..lol.. she eh knwo f de NSA reading she emails..she hadda be arguing she pt..allyuh eh wah she get deported now...do u  ;D

Whoops, relax yuhself.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 21, 2006, 09:46:46 AM



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.

oh gosh girl you lose all credibility dey
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.
fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart

yuh watch him last night?  I miss the first 15 min .. saw the interview with Giamatti though
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:48:03 AM
my recommendation.u guys look for your info..from academic insitutions...raher than de news reports...especiallyd emaps....i catn say i know which map is totallya ccurate i will eb pulling shit form meh ass...and i liked ot be informed..so i really cant say dcs....but i do know..taking anything from contemporary media..is not fact tainted opnion.... its opnion tainted by  fact....

The first map was from Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada.

Did you realise that both images of the maps you posted showed the same thing, and any map you find pertaining to this will likely be exactly the same?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:49:18 AM



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.

oh gosh girl you lose all credibility dey

Yuh asked for Right Wing side and ah told you to watch Fox News. All sarcasm is lost on the internet boy. maybe they should make a smiley for it. I was saying to ignore the emtional parts of the article but it is based on fact.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:49:37 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.
fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart

yuh watch him last night?  I miss the first 15 min .. saw the interview with Giamatti though
man i doh miss dat for nuttin..i doe stsill wonder y ppl does bother to accpet interviews with ed helms and thing......ealier this week it had one about ha man who was complaning about to much parades..he say dat "dem pp''..blacks have more rights than everybody else..real kicks yes
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 09:49:49 AM
my recommendation.u guys look for your info..from academic insitutions...raher than de news reports...especiallyd emaps....i catn say i know which map is totallya ccurate i will eb pulling shit form meh ass...and i liked ot be informed..so i really cant say dcs....but i do know..taking anything from contemporary media..is not fact tainted opnion.... its opnion tainted by  fact....

Good point but even some academic institutions have a bias so I would take it a step further and say get your news from as many sources as possible to help filter out the bias. Regardless of the past the current reality is somebody have to ease up and make concessions for peace now. I would not say the palestinians are not willing they probably are but the groups that control things [e.g. Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc] are making it almost impossible for the people to live in peace.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ricky on July 21, 2006, 09:50:22 AM



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.

oh gosh girl you lose all credibility dey


Yuh asked for Right Wing side and ah told you to watch Fox News. All sarcasm is lost on the internet boy. maybe they should make a smiley for it. I was saying to ignore the emtional parts of the article but it is based on fact.

 :rotfl: my bad i wasn paying attention
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:50:29 AM
i eh post no map..lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:51:29 AM
my recommendation.u guys look for your info..from academic insitutions...raher than de news reports...especiallyd emaps....i catn say i know which map is totallya ccurate i will eb pulling shit form meh ass...and i liked ot be informed..so i really cant say dcs....but i do know..taking anything from contemporary media..is not fact tainted opnion.... its opnion tainted by  fact....

Good point but even some academic institutions have a bias so I would take it a step further and say get your news from as many sources as possible to help filter out the bias. Regardless of the past the current reality is somebody have to ease up and make concessions for peace now. I would not say the palestinians are not willing they probably are but the groups that control things [e.g. Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc] are making it almost impossible for the people to live in peace.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:51:54 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:53:37 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

What does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 09:54:10 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

oh gawd ... stir de pot, stir the pot.  Yeah man
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:55:16 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

What does that have to do with anything?
well depending on your answer...i want to prove to dem fellas..dat dey wasting they time...lol.....u ah leftist...lol. dais all..so answer...if u dare :P
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 09:55:29 AM
I could tell you one ting this thread have some people doing some reading because they starting to post more facts [well some propoganda with some facts mixed into it] and less misinformed fo olish talk.  :D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: ribbit on July 21, 2006, 09:55:56 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.

Toppa, yuh could recommend a journal written by people that actually living in the area in question?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 09:56:26 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

BWDMC????   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Woi...well boy EYE tort I like bacchanal...de misunderstandings on page 12 was funny...but you win wit dat one
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

what de hell. u going on a next tangent.  U trying to make this thread 25 pages long?

Toppa....the 2nd map has something for 2005 that is "Internationally Recognized" that is different from the 1947 map.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:57:50 AM
http://www.counterpunch.org/Cockburn07212006.html

Toppa, alexander cockburn is pretty far out on the left. one source is not enough to present a balanced picture of this problem. even one book is not enough. so far your sources seem to be primarily left of centre. could you tell me a few right of centre/conservative writers you've read?



Watch Fox News. But ignore the emotinal side of the article, everything else is fact.

Toppa, yuh could recommend a journal written by people that actually living in the area in question?

I don't really real journals per se but I seem to have found the most non-partisan account of the Palestine situation from since lonnngs days, leaning nither right nor left, but it very long.

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm#Modern%20History
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 10:01:37 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

what de hell. u going on a next tangent.  U trying to make this thread 25 pages long?

Toppa....the 2nd map has something for 2005 that is "Internationally Recognized" that is different from the 1947 map.

There are a number of problems with the maps based on current situations. e.g. the original map to define the state of Israel and Palestine will probably not happen anytime soon even if they were to have peace today.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 10:02:43 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

what de hell. u going on a next tangent.  U trying to make this thread 25 pages long?

Toppa....the 2nd map has something for 2005 that is "Internationally Recognized" that is different from the 1947 map.

Yes, but Israel are still moving into the Gaza strip and occupying it. I hope you realise what the original size of Palestine was, what it was intended to be when the UN partitioned it and what it is today. And even today, after Israel have claimed the vast majority of the land, they are still encroaching into the Gaza strip.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 10:03:49 AM
Maybe, these should be the maps we should be looking at:  For sure, this will make the post 25 pages because te maps so big.

If yug going to draw lines, then be prepareed to go back a long way.

(http://virtualreligion.net/iho/images/map_310bce.gif)

(http://virtualreligion.net/iho/images/map.gif)

(http://virtualreligion.net/iho/images/israel.jpg)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:04:38 AM
doh read journals.....in any topic or idea...peer reviwed journals are the best.......if u dont rea dhtose...then the chance of u being mislead ..is high...people normally relate to articles and exposes and writings that they have ah informational biased to wards. what i mean is ....they tend to agree with  literature that conforms to thier preheld notions, and rarely aree wiht anything that says otherwise. (and that is from ah sococialogical and developmental psycologial text eh) ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 10:04:42 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

What does that have to do with anything?
well depending on your answer...i want to prove to dem fellas..dat dey wasting they time...lol.....u ah leftist...lol. dais all..so answer...if u dare :P

This is the most irrelevant bullshit but I'm against abortion and iffy about stem-cell research. So what's your point?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:07:02 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

What does that have to do with anything?
well depending on your answer...i want to prove to dem fellas..dat dey wasting they time...lol.....u ah leftist...lol. dais all..so answer...if u dare :P

This is the most irrelevant bullshit but I'm against abortion and iffy about stem-cell research. So what's your point?
agasint u say..and iffy..u might be gettign ah phone call form yuh beloved nsa soon..lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 10:08:18 AM
remeber guys ally6uh banging allyuh head agasint a wall..arizona....lemme ask u somethign toppa...u for or agsaint abortion and stem cell research???

What does that have to do with anything?
well depending on your answer...i want to prove to dem fellas..dat dey wasting they time...lol.....u ah leftist...lol. dais all..so answer...if u dare :P

This is the most irrelevant bullshit but I'm against abortion and iffy about stem-cell research. So what's your point?
agasint u say..and iffy..u might be gettign ah phone call form yuh beloved nsa soon..lol

So wuz yuh point again?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:09:27 AM
nwo dat is what i call ah map.....lol.....if  u invade where i live...and u loss land in de ensuing fight..then tuff shit....blame de arab countries for de state of d e situation the palistinians in.....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:10:29 AM
lol..last time someone asked me what is my pt scarstically was meh 17yr old bro....
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 10:14:17 AM
lol..last time someone asked me what is my pt scarstically was meh 17yr old bro....

I wasn't being sarcatic; I'd really like to know what your point was.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:16:30 AM
lord god..i woulda perfer u being scarstic...cause den pppl go want to eb callign u slow....nah is not dat..maybe is juc caus eu didnt notice when i type it sorry eh.......
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 10:16:36 AM
Quote
fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart
Quote

yuh watch him last night?  I miss the first 15 min .. saw the interview with Giamatti though
Quote
man i doh miss dat for nuttin..i doe stsill wonder y ppl does bother to accpet interviews with ed helms and thing......ealier this week it had one about ha man who was complaning about to much parades..he say dat "dem pp''..blacks have more rights than everybody else..real kicks yes
Quote
apparently, the dauly show is the primary source of politiacl news for the agegroup 20 to 35.  I older that that, but i watch it too.  About your point that ppl read views that are similar to their own eprsonal beliefs must be tru because i tend to agree with jon 95% of the time.  He too funny.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 10:19:15 AM
lord god..i woulda perfer u being scarstic...cause den pppl go want to eb callign u slow....nah is not dat..maybe is juc caus eu didnt notice when i type it sorry eh.......

You wanted me to say that I was for abortion and stem-cell research to show that I was a so-called leftist (whatever that's supposed to mean; I was not socialised in North America) and negate my stance but now, you don't have a point but you persist. Just call it a day, okay?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 10:20:55 AM
lord god..i woulda perfer u being scarstic...cause den pppl go want to eb callign u slow....nah is not dat..maybe is juc caus eu didnt notice when i type it sorry eh.......

You wanted me to say that I was for abortion and stem-cell research to show that I was a so-called leftist (whatever that's supposed to mean; I was not socialised in North America) and negate my stance but now, you don't have a point but you persist. Just call it a day, okay?

Organic ... ouch!!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:21:17 AM
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fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart
Quote

yuh watch him last night?  I miss the first 15 min .. saw the interview with Giamatti though
Quote
man i doh miss dat for nuttin..i doe stsill wonder y ppl does bother to accpet interviews with ed helms and thing......ealier this week it had one about ha man who was complaning about to much parades..he say dat "dem pp''..blacks have more rights than everybody else..real kicks yes
Quote
apparently, the dauly show is the primary source of politiacl news for the agegroup 20 to 35.  I older that that, but i watch it too.  About your point that ppl read views that are similar to their own eprsonal beliefs must be tru because i tend to agree with jon 95% of the time.  He too funny.
dais because he mor eor less he unbiased..if fire for republican, democrat any one...lol any country ..any...it eh matter
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 10:23:30 AM
Quote
fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart
Quote

yuh watch him last night?  I miss the first 15 min .. saw the interview with Giamatti though
Quote
man i doh miss dat for nuttin..i doe stsill wonder y ppl does bother to accpet interviews with ed helms and thing......ealier this week it had one about ha man who was complaning about to much parades..he say dat "dem pp''..blacks have more rights than everybody else..real kicks yes
Quote
apparently, the dauly show is the primary source of politiacl news for the agegroup 20 to 35.  I older that that, but i watch it too.  About your point that ppl read views that are similar to their own eprsonal beliefs must be tru because i tend to agree with jon 95% of the time.  He too funny.
dais because he mor eor less he unbiased..if fire for republican, democrat any one...lol any country ..any...it eh matter

yuh watch the colbert report too?
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:23:44 AM
lord god..i woulda perfer u being scarstic...cause den pppl go want to eb callign u slow....nah is not dat..maybe is juc caus eu didnt notice when i type it sorry eh.......

You wanted me to say that I was for abortion and stem-cell research to show that I was a so-called leftist (whatever that's supposed to mean; I was not socialised in North America) and negate my stance but now, you don't have a point but you persist. Just call it a day, okay?
lord fiesty got to love..it...hm where else can i hii a nerve...am..
which one u feel is de real way to call a carbonated beverage...sweed drink or soda  ;D
this way to easy yes..lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:24:44 AM
Quote
fox...dat along with msn nbc is an american republican propaganda machine...steups...de best news ind e states is daily show with john stewart
Quote

yuh watch him last night?  I miss the first 15 min .. saw the interview with Giamatti though
Quote
man i doh miss dat for nuttin..i doe stsill wonder y ppl does bother to accpet interviews with ed helms and thing......ealier this week it had one about ha man who was complaning about to much parades..he say dat "dem pp''..blacks have more rights than everybody else..real kicks yes
Quote
apparently, the dauly show is the primary source of politiacl news for the agegroup 20 to 35.  I older that that, but i watch it too.  About your point that ppl read views that are similar to their own eprsonal beliefs must be tru because i tend to agree with jon 95% of the time.  He too funny.
dais because he mor eor less he unbiased..if fire for republican, democrat any one...lol any country ..any...it eh matter

yuh watch the colbert report too?
yes he is kicks..dta raises a good pt..toppa do u agree wiht steven colbert opnions?..lol
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 10:45:12 AM
mmmm,,,leh we go for 20 pages today.........anybody want?

(http://members.roadfly.org/thedue/Tf.jpg)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dinho on July 21, 2006, 10:46:19 AM
mmmm,,,leh we go for 20 pages today.........anybody want?

(http://members.roadfly.org/thedue/Tf.jpg)

i wonder what page this thread will reach before you start farting with that nasty boil egg in your plate...   ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 10:49:06 AM
boy yuh should smell de office now....nobody doh wuh come in here
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 11:31:05 AM
Hm, the mods finally notice this thread gone way past Nakid stranded in Lebanon!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 11:44:13 AM


Organic...yuh like Toppa?
Is some kinda Tobago love ting going on.

Allyuh not even talking bout the topic anymore.

It still not clear which map each country recognizes. (I should say it not clear ALLYUH KNOW which map each country recognizes)
I know it not a cut and dry issue but finding out what they official position is shudn't be that hard. (ent allyuh supposedly knowledgeable and well read).
Organic done say he didn't know (despite multiple posts about nothing  :devil:)

Is it safe to say the Palestinian and Israeli government both recognize the 2005 "Internaltional Consensus" map as the official one.
It is from the second map I posted.

http://www.americantaskforce.org/palestine_map.gif
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 11:50:56 AM
was dat on the plate?

choka on the egg ? salt fish?
dim sum?
sum kinda meatballs?
pork ?  ah hope dat is not pork - not appropriate for dis thread
a red ting - is that a whole pepper?
sliced turkey?

hmmm ...yuh have a van houten cup so the cofee must be good.  But yuh have a whole stack of cups in the back --- yuh saving the empty cups to take home?
waz dat tube next to the plate - some vasoline?
a wooden pencil -- so yuh not a technical guy - must be a bean counter but no adding mx in sight

ah going to use my image enhancer, digital analyzer OCR reader, model Mark V to convert the documents on you desk to text to se what yuh really tinh.  The NSA and CSIS might be eavesdropping so I have to be careful.


Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 11:56:49 AM


Organic...yuh like Toppa?
Is some kinda Tobago love ting going on.

Allyuh not even talking bout the topic anymore.

It still not clear which map each country recognizes. (I should say it not clear ALLYUH KNOW which map each country recognizes)
I know it not a cut and dry issue but finding out what they official position is shudn't be that hard. (ent allyuh supposedly knowledgeable and well read).
Organic done say he didn't know (despite multiple posts about nothing  :devil:)

Is it safe to say the Palestinian and Israeli government both recognize the 2005 "Internaltional Consensus" map as the official one.
It is from the second map I posted.

http://www.americantaskforce.org/palestine_map.gif
so y it cyah be toppa like me...buh a  a
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 12:15:59 PM
was dat on the plate?

choka on the egg ? salt fish?
dim sum?
sum kinda meatballs?
pork ?  ah hope dat is not pork - not appropriate for dis thread
a red ting - is that a whole pepper?
sliced turkey?

hmmm ...yuh have a van houten cup so the cofee must be good.  But yuh have a whole stack of cups in the back --- yuh saving the empty cups to take home?
waz dat tube next to the plate - some vasoline?
a wooden pencil -- so yuh not a technical guy - must be a bean counter but no adding mx in sight

ah going to use my image enhancer, digital analyzer OCR reader, model Mark V to convert the documents on you desk to text to se what yuh really tinh.  The NSA and CSIS might be eavesdropping so I have to be careful.




Buh wuh de ass is dis??  yuh fass eh?...yuh does peep in yuh neighbour window too?

ah feel yuh goin dat ba'hai meeting just to see oui

Pot luck in dis place every friday
First..I doh eat pork...period....at all

Yes its steamed wantons,,sliced turkey,,some kinda mustard business on the egg,,some kinda portuguese pepper and monterey jack cheese (de kick sorf)

ah doh drink coffee..but when ah use the cups for water ah cah bring mihself to just toss it in de bin (you should see de pile behind mih)

de tube is KY fuh when de gyirls come over friday evenings  :devil:  :devil:

look mih old school abacus dey...me eh no bean counter dais fuh sure
(http://members.roadfly.org/thedue/Td.jpg)

allyuh blasted london people eye REAL long in trute...ah feel you wukkin for CSIS  ;)
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 12:18:52 PM
Hm, the mods finally notice this thread gone way past Nakid stranded in Lebanon!

Nahkid livin in lebanon now?? since when??
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 12:43:53 PM
Dutty -

yuh say yuh doh eat pork.  Yuh know wat daiz put in steamed wontons 90% of the time? 

an dat freudian slip with the KY jelly ... ah not too sure.

Anyway to keep tru to this post ... all the evacuees complaining about the treatment dey getting from their respective governments.

One Cdn-Lebonese was complaining about the lack of Air Conditionning on the rescue ship.  Another one say dat if she know dat she was going to be treated like dis, she would a stay in Lebanon.  And those are two of the first 261 canadians evacuated by the Canadina govermment.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 01:20:06 PM
Nah dese wantons have beef

de KY slip?..check mih name and come again  :devil:


With regard to the evacuees...boy I see everybody complain oui...de peoplle tired ,,frustrated and in shock

On 'Nightline' de odder night ah see one lebanese fellah..but like he grow up in de states REAL lamabaste george bush on camera ...lawd de man was blue vex,,ah say to mihself "dais one fellah gettin audited by de IRS every year from now on"

De funny part is ..we make so much noise on harper about how long he take to evacuate and ah now read de australian PM aksin canada for help to evacuate their citizens
EVERYBODY get ketch off guard...like was only de french was expecting dem israelis to leggo dat much heat from de air in trute
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 01:33:36 PM
Nah dese wantons have beef

de KY slip?..check mih name and come again  :devil:


With regard to the evacuees...boy I see everybody complain oui...de peoplle tired ,,frustrated and in shock

On 'Nightline' de odder night ah see one lebanese fellah..but like he grow up in de states REAL lamabaste george bush on camera ...lawd de man was blue vex,,ah say to mihself "dais one fellah gettin audited by de IRS every year from now on"

De funny part is ..we make so much noise on harper about how long he take to evacuate and ah now read de australian PM aksin canada for help to evacuate their citizens
EVERYBODY get ketch off guard...like was only de french was expecting dem israelis to leggo dat much heat from de air in trute

I cyar comprehend the situation ... so I trying not to be too judgemental.  But i tink we sometimes expect too much from our governments.  How can we expect Foreign Affairs (for the Canadian) to suddenly mobolize resources to evacuate 40,000 ppl.  Expecially since Canada doh have a navy (except for 2 or 3 kayaks, a canoe, a skidoo, a old frigate and a leaking submarine).  The government had to negotiate to lease ships, get them to Beruit, jostle with everybody else to get to port, load the ppl and leave.

But everybody still complaining abouyt the lack of organization. 

Wah ....is a war!!!
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 01:38:14 PM
Nah dese wantons have beef

de KY slip?..check mih name and come again  :devil:


With regard to the evacuees...boy I see everybody complain oui...de peoplle tired ,,frustrated and in shock

On 'Nightline' de odder night ah see one lebanese fellah..but like he grow up in de states REAL lamabaste george bush on camera ...lawd de man was blue vex,,ah say to mihself "dais one fellah gettin audited by de IRS every year from now on"

De funny part is ..we make so much noise on harper about how long he take to evacuate and ah now read de australian PM aksin canada for help to evacuate their citizens
EVERYBODY get ketch off guard...like was only de french was expecting dem israelis to leggo dat much heat from de air in trute

I cyar comprehend the situation ... so I trying not to be too judgemental.  But i tink we sometimes expect too much from our governments.  How can we expect Foreign Affairs (for the Canadian) to suddenly mobolize resources to evacuate 40,000 ppl.  Expecially since Canada doh have a navy (except for 2 or 3 kayaks, a canoe, a skidoo, a old frigate and a leaking submarine).  The government had to negotiate to lease ships, get them to Beruit, jostle with everybody else to get to port, load the ppl and leave.

But everybody still complaining abouyt the lack of organization. 

Wah ....is a war!!!
yuh forget de dingy..dat tie up on de docks in late ontario
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 01:39:52 PM
Nah dese wantons have beef

de KY slip?..check mih name and come again  :devil:


With regard to the evacuees...boy I see everybody complain oui...de peoplle tired ,,frustrated and in shock

On 'Nightline' de odder night ah see one lebanese fellah..but like he grow up in de states REAL lamabaste george bush on camera ...lawd de man was blue vex,,ah say to mihself "dais one fellah gettin audited by de IRS every year from now on"

De funny part is ..we make so much noise on harper about how long he take to evacuate and ah now read de australian PM aksin canada for help to evacuate their citizens
EVERYBODY get ketch off guard...like was only de french was expecting dem israelis to leggo dat much heat from de air in trute

I cyar comprehend the situation ... so I trying not to be too judgemental.  But i tink we sometimes expect too much from our governments.  How can we expect Foreign Affairs (for the Canadian) to suddenly mobolize resources to evacuate 40,000 ppl.  Expecially since Canada doh have a navy (except for 2 or 3 kayaks, a canoe, a skidoo, a old frigate and a leaking submarine).  The government had to negotiate to lease ships, get them to Beruit, jostle with everybody else to get to port, load the ppl and leave.

But everybody still complaining abouyt the lack of organization. 

Wah ....is a war!!!
yuh forget de dingy..dat tie up on de docks in late ontario

de one down my the Port of Hamilton?  down dere by Stelco?/
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 02:11:45 PM
Nah dese wantons have beef

de KY slip?..check mih name and come again  :devil:


With regard to the evacuees...boy I see everybody complain oui...de peoplle tired ,,frustrated and in shock

On 'Nightline' de odder night ah see one lebanese fellah..but like he grow up in de states REAL lamabaste george bush on camera ...lawd de man was blue vex,,ah say to mihself "dais one fellah gettin audited by de IRS every year from now on"

De funny part is ..we make so much noise on harper about how long he take to evacuate and ah now read de australian PM aksin canada for help to evacuate their citizens
EVERYBODY get ketch off guard...like was only de french was expecting dem israelis to leggo dat much heat from de air in trute

I cyar comprehend the situation ... so I trying not to be too judgemental.  But i tink we sometimes expect too much from our governments.  How can we expect Foreign Affairs (for the Canadian) to suddenly mobolize resources to evacuate 40,000 ppl.  Expecially since Canada doh have a navy (except for 2 or 3 kayaks, a canoe, a skidoo, a old frigate and a leaking submarine).  The government had to negotiate to lease ships, get them to Beruit, jostle with everybody else to get to port, load the ppl and leave.

But everybody still complaining abouyt the lack of organization. 

Wah ....is a war!!!

True I was listening to people complaining but you half way across the world ina very volatile region and vex when govt cyah move right away and get dem. They have to be patient, I know it's easier said than done because I not dey but come on man you living/working etc in a dangerous area sometimes you have to accept some responsibilities for the risks you take.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 02:34:32 PM

The more they complain the faster the governments would move.
Is all about whipping dead horse governments to cut through beurocracy and inefficiency to make things happen faster.

Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 02:48:14 PM
AH not too sure about your hypothesis.  The CDN Foreign Affairs were working around the clock but with limited resources.

In canada, I believe that the military has been dismantled to the point where it cyar move or have the resoures to deal with did type a ting.  As a result, the civil servants have to find private liners to move the ppl.  Imagine doing dat when other nations are trying to do the same ting.

The real issue I have with dis is dat many ppl complaining have dual citizenship.  And dey use the passport that happens to be the most convenient at the time.  I did not see or hear any body complaining to the Lebanese government about their failure to take care of its citizens.  steups
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 02:55:34 PM
True dat, but you doh tink wherever you go you accept some responsibility?? If you move to an area where it is known to flood you vex if I seem [in your mind] to be taking too long to bring you a boat when flood happen. Right now govts scrambling because of the distance, safety concerns and number of people to be evacuted. In Katrina den U.S. real lapse but in this case I think is a little different.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 03:12:51 PM
True dat, but you doh tink wherever you go you accept some responsibility?? If you move to an area where it is known to flood you vex if I seem [in your mind] to be taking too long to bring you a boat when flood happen. Right now govts scrambling because of the distance, safety concerns and number of people to be evacuted. In Katrina den U.S. real lapse but in this case I think is a little different.

Actually, ah agree wid you.  I was disagreeing with DCS re: the gov lack of efficiency

If ppl had taken the time to check the travel advisory, dey would have seen that south lebanon was a hot spot and to travel at your own risk.

I tink the Cdn govenment is acting as best as possible given the circumstances (and I am not a big Harper fan). 
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 03:14:33 PM
True dat, but you doh tink wherever you go you accept some responsibility?? If you move to an area where it is known to flood you vex if I seem [in your mind] to be taking too long to bring you a boat when flood happen. Right now govts scrambling because of the distance, safety concerns and number of people to be evacuted. In Katrina den U.S. real lapse but in this case I think is a little different.

Actually, ah agree wid you.  I was disagreeing with DCS re: the gov lack of efficiency

If ppl had taken the time to check the travel advisory, dey would have seen that south lebanon was a hot spot and to travel at your own risk.

I tink the Cdn govenment is acting as best as possible given the circumstances (and I am not a big Harper fan). 

Sorry the comment was directed at dcs.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: dcs on July 21, 2006, 04:39:00 PM

People already know what the dangers are.
That don't really have any bearing on how fast their home countries should move to get them out.

If a man drowning and he got himself in trouble does he tell u...."I know is my fault...take yuh time."
or "hurry de hell up I going and drown!!!"

U say they don't have enough resources...well put enough pressure on the government and u will see how resourceful they can be.
Is politicians u dealing with here...they can make a lot happen if they wanted to.
I can't fault anyone for making noise if it is to fight for their survival or their families safety.

I not so sure about complaining about comfort level but I don't trust the media portrayal of the story.
When people are in stressful situations and they "complain" there is nothing unusual about that.  Put a mic in front their face and now all of a sudden they ungrateful.  I really cah  judge people when I sitting in safety and they the ones on the ground worrying about their children.
Title: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 21, 2006, 07:30:42 PM
click the link but beware


http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Dutty on July 21, 2006, 08:16:28 PM
Horse...just a suggestion

I have a strong stomach and it wont bother me...but you really should put some sort of warning/disclaimer on that...its not for everybody eyes despite the intent
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 08:23:30 PM
Yeah I would put a disclaimer as well. The pictures are not for everyone.
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 08:28:22 PM
Triniman what was the intent? To show how innocent people in general are the victims of those around them?
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 09:09:26 PM
SAW pictures similar to this from the iraq war....also...suicide bomers pictures....and in every situation..CIVLILANS FEEL IT THE MOST. i UNDERSTAND but u shoudl get some pics from aftermaths of suicide bombing
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: pecan on July 21, 2006, 09:35:15 PM
Sorry guys ...

If that web site was intended to gain my sympathy ... it did not.  What I saw was an attempt to use these images (images of tragedy beyond my comprehension) to further a political agenda.  Dey even asking for donations.

Leh me ask allyuh a question.  If war so bad, why does it continue?  Well leh me answer it ... because somebody/organization stands to gain from it.  If nations really wanted to stop type of damage inflicted by modern day armaments, den all dey have to do is shut down the armanent manufacturing plants.

For every rocket or bomb launched, somebody made a profit.  But do not for a minute believe that this conflict is one-sided.  Somebody also profitting from the damage being inflicted by Hezbollah and Hamas.  And apparently, Haliburton already bidding to rebuild Beruit.

This one-sided propaganda (on both sides) is very disheartening.  And ah jus come back from a prayer meeting to boot. 

Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Toppa on July 21, 2006, 09:36:56 PM
Horse...just a suggestion

I have a strong stomach and it wont bother me...but you really should put some sort of warning/disclaimer on that...its not for everybody eyes despite the intent

I was on there this morning, I saw the head-less baby and I had to come off right away.
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Organic on July 21, 2006, 10:03:08 PM
Sorry guys ...

If that web site was intended to gain my sympathy ... it did not.  What I saw was an attempt to use these images (images of tragedy beyond my comprehension) to further a political agenda.  Dey even asking for donations.

Leh me ask allyuh a question.  If war so bad, why does it continue?  Well leh me answer it ... because somebody/organization stands to gain from it.  If nations really wanted to stop type of damage inflicted by modern day armaments, den all dey have to do is shut down the armanent manufacturing plants.

For every rocket or bomb launched, somebody made a profit.  But do not for a minute believe that this conflict is one-sided.  Somebody also profitting from the damage being inflicted by Hezbollah and Hamas.  And apparently, Haliburton already bidding to rebuild Beruit.

This one-sided propaganda (on both sides) is very disheartening.  And ah jus come back from a prayer meeting to boot. 


so right man. :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: JabJab on July 21, 2006, 10:17:09 PM
Sorry guys ...

If that web site was intended to gain my sympathy ... it did not.  What I saw was an attempt to use these images (images of tragedy beyond my comprehension) to further a political agenda.  Dey even asking for donations.

Leh me ask allyuh a question.  If war so bad, why does it continue?  Well leh me answer it ... because somebody/organization stands to gain from it.  If nations really wanted to stop type of damage inflicted by modern day armaments, den all dey have to do is shut down the armanent manufacturing plants.

For every rocket or bomb launched, somebody made a profit.  But do not for a minute believe that this conflict is one-sided.  Somebody also profitting from the damage being inflicted by Hezbollah and Hamas.  And apparently, Haliburton already bidding to rebuild Beruit.

This one-sided propaganda (on both sides) is very disheartening.  And ah jus come back from a prayer meeting to boot. 




Well said. Damage is being done on both sides and it is always the people that suffer. One can only hope that at some point all sides will be ready to negotiate in good faith.
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: Themanfriday on July 22, 2006, 01:25:51 AM
Ah find a computer today alyuh still talking bout this....

Ah go check on Monday If ah in Philly then....

Any body in Philly here
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: TriniCana on July 22, 2006, 01:27:56 AM
was dat on the plate?

choka on the egg ? salt fish?
dim sum?
sum kinda meatballs?
pork ?  ah hope dat is not pork - not appropriate for dis thread
a red ting - is that a whole pepper?
sliced turkey?

hmmm ...yuh have a van houten cup so the cofee must be good.  But yuh have a whole stack of cups in the back --- yuh saving the empty cups to take home?
waz dat tube next to the plate - some vasoline?
a wooden pencil -- so yuh not a technical guy - must be a bean counter but no adding mx in sight

ah going to use my image enhancer, digital analyzer OCR reader, model Mark V to convert the documents on you desk to text to se what yuh really tinh.  The NSA and CSIS might be eavesdropping so I have to be careful.




Buh wuh de ass is dis??  yuh fass eh?...yuh does peep in yuh neighbour window too?

ah feel yuh goin dat ba'hai meeting just to see oui

Pot luck in dis place every friday
First..I doh eat pork...period....at all

Yes its steamed wantons,,sliced turkey,,some kinda mustard business on the egg,,some kinda portuguese pepper and monterey jack cheese (de kick sorf)

ah doh drink coffee..but when ah use the cups for water ah cah bring mihself to just toss it in de bin (you should see de pile behind mih)

de tube is KY fuh when de gyirls come over friday evenings  :devil:  :devil:

look mih old school abacus dey...me eh no bean counter dais fuh sure
(http://members.roadfly.org/thedue/Td.jpg)

allyuh blasted london people eye REAL long in trute...ah feel you wukkin for CSIS  ;)

catch ya farse and falling self ...we eye ain't long is just we living in corner houses, furthermore ya put out ya business for we to look at, so we much talk it out...steups
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 22, 2006, 06:45:48 AM
Horse...just a suggestion

I have a strong stomach and it wont bother me...but you really should put some sort of warning/disclaimer on that...its not for everybody eyes despite the intent

yuh nuh see them Israeli children writing on them missile ah wha
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Organic on July 22, 2006, 07:24:43 AM
Horse...just a suggestion

I have a strong stomach and it wont bother me...but you really should put some sort of warning/disclaimer on that...its not for everybody eyes despite the intent

yuh nuh see them Israeli children writing on them missile ah wha

ye shorse americans write on the missles before they bomb bagdad and suicide bombers pray before they "deliver the lords justice" foolishiness alround
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: grimm01 on July 22, 2006, 10:10:45 AM
Horse...just a suggestion

I have a strong stomach and it wont bother me...but you really should put some sort of warning/disclaimer on that...its not for everybody eyes despite the intent

yuh nuh see them Israeli children writing on them missile ah wha

ye shorse americans write on the missles before they bomb bagdad and suicide bombers pray before they "deliver the lords justice" foolishiness alround

yuh right, but to see adult soldiers writing messages on bombs vs kids doing the same thing wrong & sad on a different level nah. i feel the same way when the arabs parade their kids with guns dressed as soldiers and suicide bombers.

who dey right mind sending dey kids on a field trip to an active military zone to play with live ammunition?
Title: Re: From ISRAEL TO LEBANAN
Post by: Pointman on July 22, 2006, 10:35:29 AM
Even with Dutty's forewarning these pics were hard to stomach.   >:(
Title: War In Lebanon
Post by: ndookie on July 23, 2006, 08:17:54 AM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: pecan on July 23, 2006, 02:17:22 PM
yuh should ask Toppa and Organic
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: Organic on July 23, 2006, 02:27:46 PM
yuh should ask Toppa and Organic
hah..pecan leave me alone nah.. :P
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: Feliziano on July 23, 2006, 02:31:06 PM
yuh should ask Toppa and Organic
or read through the 25 pages of "Escape from Lebanon"..where de first 2 post was bout David Nahkid escaping from lebanon lol
Tallman and dem move the blasted thread and kill it yes lol
that thread was sooo important..it shoulda be ah sticky  ;D

allyuh remeber Dooks young so he ent know what used to go on before in the middle east..right now he sounding anti-isreal...so go easy on him  ;D
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: Toppa on July 23, 2006, 02:34:35 PM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.

Yuh on de right track.
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: ndookie on July 23, 2006, 03:53:31 PM
Aite , I'll check that..
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: Dutty on July 23, 2006, 06:21:08 PM
 ;D

Whap'm how everybody duckin de man so??

De youth man thirstin for knowledge and everybody dancin around de issue

Allyuh answer de man nah...I have ah case of extra buttered to pop
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: JabJab on July 23, 2006, 07:40:10 PM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.

The history of the relationship of U.S./Israel is long and complicated and there were plenty times things weren't too rosy. Basically the U.S. considers Hezbollah a terrorist organization supported by Syria and Iran 2 of Amercias least favorite countries right now. They are hoping that Israel will have enough time to seriously reduce the abilities of Hezobollah [both militarily and financially] thus it will be one less group that the U.S. and Israel have to deal with. The issue is with Hezbollah unfortunately they are in the center of a civilian area [southern Lebanon] hence the civilian casualities. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 24, 2006, 06:23:45 AM

Israel is a democracy...most of the other countries in the area they have conflicts with are not or have extremists groups carrying political power (Hezbollah).
So making sure the one democracy does well is important to them...they want it to spread to the rest of the region.  Lebanon and Iraq supposed to be the examples for the Arab world but.....

And also very importantly, the Jews in the US hold some serious political and financial clout.  The New Yorkers here might be able to comment more on that.
As mentioned before, back in the Cold War days Israel and her enemies were a sort of proxy for an underlying US-Russia conflict.

(I think that sounding right)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 24, 2006, 07:32:02 AM

Israel is a democracy...most of the other countries in the area they have conflicts with are not or have extremists groups carrying political power (Hezbollah).
So making sure the one democracy does well is important to them...they want it to spread to the rest of the region.  Lebanon and Iraq supposed to be the examples for the Arab world but.....

And also very importantly, the Jews in the US hold some serious political and financial clout.  The New Yorkers here might be able to comment more on that.
As mentioned before, back in the Cold War days Israel and her enemies were a sort of proxy for an underlying US-Russia conflict.

(I think that sounding right)

True as well.  Though in the beginning the U.S. was very split on supporting a state of Israel, Harry Truman [president at the time] decided against the advice of his top general and officially recognized the state of Israel.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 24, 2006, 07:37:50 AM

Israel is a democracy...most of the other countries in the area they have conflicts with are not or have extremists groups carrying political power (Hezbollah).
So making sure the one democracy does well is important to them...they want it to spread to the rest of the region.  Lebanon and Iraq supposed to be the examples for the Arab world but.....

And also very importantly, the Jews in the US hold some serious political and financial clout.  The New Yorkers here might be able to comment more on that.
As mentioned before, back in the Cold War days Israel and her enemies were a sort of proxy for an underlying US-Russia conflict.

(I think that sounding right)

(I doh tink dat 1st paragraph sounding right. Dat sound like ah Tony Snow press release)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 24, 2006, 07:55:47 AM
(I doh tink dat 1st paragraph sounding right. Dat sound like ah Tony Snow press release)

Sounds like what the White House spokeman would say to me.  (that being Tony Snow)

Whether you believe that is the real reason is another matter but its the line they pushing for the longest while now.
Of course if u replace democracy with capitalism then u might see why that is important to them.
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: ribbit on July 24, 2006, 10:09:55 AM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.

i think it's clear the people making decisions in the usa are seeing this from a different perspective.

why you think israel has wanted to bomb lebanon for a long time?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on July 24, 2006, 11:41:20 AM
This is  not the first time  Isreal do this BS and attack a country heavily ,and get chastised for it.They always do it ,back in the eighties they attacked Iraq and distroyed there new Nuclear facility steuppss,America was pissed ,they always doing this kind of premtive strike thing.Damn Isrealies,just leave ppl alone .
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 24, 2006, 12:27:47 PM
This is  not the first time  Isreal do this BS and attack a country heavily ,and get chastised for it.They always do it ,back in the eighties they attacked Iraq and distroyed there new Nuclear facility steuppss,America was pissed ,they always doing this kind of premtive strike thing.Damn Isrealies,just leave ppl alone .


U sure they was pissed or they just publicly say they vex.  Cuz I sure they damn happy Iraq dih have nuclear capabilities.  Iran must be moving double time before the US ready for another military move however many years that take.
U forget the US leading the way in pre-emptive strikes.  I sure they wish they had hit North Korea long time.

For the US, only thing better than them dishing out pre-emptive strikes against the axis of evil is somebody else doing it and taking the heat   :devil:
Right now dem  :whistling:  while Israel doing the dirty work to mash up Hezbollah.

If the US wasn't stretched from Iraq they woulda be happy to have something start with Syria....and bomb dem up.  Dey eh like Damascus atall.
Iran and Syria only pushing ting cuz the US doh want no more military committments now.  They want to leave Iraq....Bush is a big advocate for diplomacy now    ::)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 24, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
wai tthis thread still going strong..lol..look thing..i thought it dead
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on July 24, 2006, 01:02:27 PM
This is  not the first time  Isreal do this BS and attack a country heavily ,and get chastised for it.They always do it ,back in the eighties they attacked Iraq and distroyed there new Nuclear facility steuppss,America was pissed ,they always doing this kind of premtive strike thing.Damn Isrealies,just leave ppl alone .


U sure they was pissed or they just publicly say they vex.  Cuz I sure they damn happy Iraq dih have nuclear capabilities.  Iran must be moving double time before the US ready for another military move however many years that take.
U forget the US leading the way in pre-emptive strikes.  I sure they wish they had hit North Korea long time.

For the US, only thing better than them dishing out pre-emptive strikes against the axis of evil is somebody else doing it and taking the heat   :devil:
Right now dem  :whistling:  while Israel doing the dirty work to mash up Hezbollah.

If the US wasn't stretched from Iraq they woulda be happy to have something start with Syria....and bomb dem up.  Dey eh like Damascus atall.
Iran and Syria only pushing ting cuz the US doh want no more military committments now.  They want to leave Iraq....Bush is a big advocate for diplomacy now    ::)
Nah America was pissed,but by the time Desert Storm rolled around ,they were cool with the Isreal attack .As for Bush he pobably could"n spell deplomacy.
And just saw it ,Iran is ah bitchhh........ oh they going to wipe Isreal off the map ,wham how they so quite,they friends getting punked off and nothing  ::).Them is punks,step off ,only big talk with Iran.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: lickslikefire on July 24, 2006, 02:03:44 PM
I don't think people realize how superior the Israeli Army is to any army in the Middle East....they not even flexing dey muscles yet....check dis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Expenditures_and_alliances

"Expenditures and alliances
During 1950-66, Israel spent an average of 9% of its GDP on defense. Defense expenditures increased dramatically after both the 1967 and 1973 wars. In 1996, the military budget reached 10.6% of GDP and represented about 21.5% of the total 1996 budget.

In 1983, the United States and Israel established a Joint Political Military Group, which convenes twice a year. Both the U.S. and Israel participate in joint military planning and combined exercises, and have collaborated on military research and weapons development. Additionally the U.S. military maintains two classified, pre-positioned War Reserve Stocks in Israel valued at $493 million. [1] Israel has the official distinction of being an American Major non-NATO ally. As a result of this, America shares the vast majority of its security and military technology with Israel.

Israel has received US$1.8 billion in military aid annually from the United States since 1973. [2] This amount has increased in recent years as non-military economic aid has been shifted to military aid.[3] This aid is earmarked for use in the U.S. defence contractor market."

"Israeli military technology
 
Israeli-modified F-16 flying over Masada.The IDF is considered to be one of the most high-tech armies in the world, possessing top-of-the-line weapons and computer systems, Some of it American-made or indigenously modified (such as the M4A1 assault rifle, F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon jets and Apache helicopter).  Israel also has developed its own independent weapons industry. Weapons such as the Merkava battle tank, Kfir jet series, and various small arms such as the Galil assault rifle and Uzi submachine gun have all proven to be very successful.

The IDF also has several large internal research and development departments, and it purchases many technologies produced by the Israeli security industries including IAI, IMI, Elbit, El-Op, Rafael, Soltam and dozens of smaller firms. Many of these developments have been battle-tested in Israel's numerous military engagements, making the relationship mutually beneficial, the IDF getting tailor-made solutions and the industries a very high repute.

[edit]
Main Israeli developments
 
An Israeli Merkava main battle tank.Israel's military technology is most famous for its guns, armored fighting vehicles (tanks, tank-converted APCs, armoured bulldozers etc) and rocketry (missiles and rockets). Israel also designs and in some cases it has manufactured aircraft (Kfir, Lavi; both discontinued) and naval systems (patrol and missile ships). Much of the IDF's electronic systems (intelligence, communication, command and control, navigation etc.) are Israeli-developed, including many systems installed on foreign platforms (esp. aircraft, tanks and submarines). So are many of its precision-guided munitions.

Israel and the United States are the only countries in the world with an anti-ballistic missile defense system ("Hetz", Arrow, or Patriot (U.S.) developed with funding and technology from the United States), though an operational system is in place protecting the Moscow area. Israel is also working with the U.S. on development of a tactical high energy laser system against medium range rockets (called Nautilus THEL).

Israel has the independent capability of launching reconnaissance satellites into orbit (a capability which only Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom, France, the People's Republic of China, India and Japan hold). Both the satellites (Ofeq) and the launchers (Shavit) were developed by the Israeli security industries.

Israel is also said to have developed an indigenous nuclear capability, although no official details or acknowledgements have ever been publicized. On the issue of this nuclear weapons program, Israel chooses to follow a policy of deliberate ambiguity."

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 24, 2006, 02:21:29 PM
Dat is impressive for a country that is only 60 years old

It's almost as if...they had a nex country being dey sugar daddy,, :thinking:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 24, 2006, 02:39:10 PM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 24, 2006, 05:26:17 PM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.
anybody see the movie "Munich" btw
I just watch "Syriana" yesterday..them Emir's and Princes in the Middle East so damn naive and dem Americans exploiting them silly silly.

Another thing.. if Lebanon say they go fight back if Isreal go further north..how come they didn't use whatever means they have to fight Israel, to get rid of Hezbollah?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 24, 2006, 06:02:55 PM
I don't think people realize how superior the Israeli Army is to any army in the Middle East....they not even flexing dey muscles yet....check dis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Expenditures_and_alliances

"Expenditures and alliances
During 1950-66, Israel spent an average of 9% of its GDP on defense. Defense expenditures increased dramatically after both the 1967 and 1973 wars. In 1996, the military budget reached 10.6% of GDP and represented about 21.5% of the total 1996 budget.

In 1983, the United States and Israel established a Joint Political Military Group, which convenes twice a year. Both the U.S. and Israel participate in joint military planning and combined exercises, and have collaborated on military research and weapons development. Additionally the U.S. military maintains two classified, pre-positioned War Reserve Stocks in Israel valued at $493 million. [1] Israel has the official distinction of being an American Major non-NATO ally. As a result of this, America shares the vast majority of its security and military technology with Israel.

Israel has received US$1.8 billion in military aid annually from the United States since 1973. [2] This amount has increased in recent years as non-military economic aid has been shifted to military aid.[3] This aid is earmarked for use in the U.S. defence contractor market."

"Israeli military technology
 
Israeli-modified F-16 flying over Masada.The IDF is considered to be one of the most high-tech armies in the world, possessing top-of-the-line weapons and computer systems, Some of it American-made or indigenously modified (such as the M4A1 assault rifle, F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon jets and Apache helicopter).  Israel also has developed its own independent weapons industry. Weapons such as the Merkava battle tank, Kfir jet series, and various small arms such as the Galil assault rifle and Uzi submachine gun have all proven to be very successful.

The IDF also has several large internal research and development departments, and it purchases many technologies produced by the Israeli security industries including IAI, IMI, Elbit, El-Op, Rafael, Soltam and dozens of smaller firms. Many of these developments have been battle-tested in Israel's numerous military engagements, making the relationship mutually beneficial, the IDF getting tailor-made solutions and the industries a very high repute.

[edit]
Main Israeli developments
 
An Israeli Merkava main battle tank.Israel's military technology is most famous for its guns, armored fighting vehicles (tanks, tank-converted APCs, armoured bulldozers etc) and rocketry (missiles and rockets). Israel also designs and in some cases it has manufactured aircraft (Kfir, Lavi; both discontinued) and naval systems (patrol and missile ships). Much of the IDF's electronic systems (intelligence, communication, command and control, navigation etc.) are Israeli-developed, including many systems installed on foreign platforms (esp. aircraft, tanks and submarines). So are many of its precision-guided munitions.

Israel and the United States are the only countries in the world with an anti-ballistic missile defense system ("Hetz", Arrow, or Patriot (U.S.) developed with funding and technology from the United States), though an operational system is in place protecting the Moscow area. Israel is also working with the U.S. on development of a tactical high energy laser system against medium range rockets (called Nautilus THEL).

Israel has the independent capability of launching reconnaissance satellites into orbit (a capability which only Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom, France, the People's Republic of China, India and Japan hold). Both the satellites (Ofeq) and the launchers (Shavit) were developed by the Israeli security industries.

Israel is also said to have developed an indigenous nuclear capability, although no official details or acknowledgements have ever been publicized. On the issue of this nuclear weapons program, Israel chooses to follow a policy of deliberate ambiguity."


of course...during the 60's and 70's....america lossed some uranium..(cia stole it and sold it to de israelis). they r the only country in de mid east with nuclear weapons... even though they r jus tactical nukes..they nukes..the yield will eb close to dat of hiroshima. so they r by far the strongest military force in de mideast..added to de fact they have the best trained soldiers they ahve to be..they ass surrounded on all sides by ppl who wanna annialate them. still dont give dem the right to kill civilians..btu dat always happens. in war...civilians always get the short end of de stick..up d ebum hole
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: doc on July 24, 2006, 06:23:25 PM

of course...during the 60's and 70's....america lossed some uranium..(cia stole it and sold it to de israelis). they r the only country in de mid east with nuclear weapons... even though they r jus tactical nukes..they nukes..the yield will eb close to dat of hiroshima. so they r by far the strongest military force in de mideast..added to de fact they have the best trained soldiers they ahve to be..they ass surrounded on all sides by ppl who wanna annialate them. still dont give dem the right to kill civilians..btu dat always happens. in war...civilians always get the short end of de stick..up d ebum hole
They can also say that they are surrounding these people that wants to annihilate them too :-\ Here's another piece of the jigsaw puzzle - http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3208hariri_killed.html
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 24, 2006, 10:19:34 PM
for de ppl who so one sided or have blinkers ona nd thin israel jus tarketing civilians cause they want to or totaaly inept.and like citing the un ....look

Israeli forces push deeper into Lebanon
By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer

But a day after criticizing Israel for "disproportionate" strikes against civilians, U.N. humanitarian chief Jan Egeland accused Hezbollah of "cowardly blending" among Lebanese civilians.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," Egeland said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."

srael's overall death toll stands at 40, with 17 people killed by Hezbollah rockets and 23 soldiers killed in the fighting. Sixty-eight soldiers have been wounded, and 255 civilians injured by rocket fire, officials said.

On the Lebanese side, security officials said 384 people had been killed, including 20 soldiers and 11 Hezbollah guerrillas.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 25, 2006, 06:48:50 AM
Come on people....the goal was 20 pages...well my goal anyway  ;D

It have plenty people aint contribute...stop de lurkin and push dis ting over de hill

What do we need to do here,,start mixin de war with the ILLuminati so pioneer trini and compre could bring de ruckus???

We need some conspiracy theories?? so ON DE BLOCK could get some??

We need a lil rascism bacchanal for Feliz to climb in??

More bible theories?? Morvant, Preacher, Friday...dem want some ah dat

ah ha time and popcorn

Politicicans--Vision 2020
Football--S.A. 2010
This thread-- 20 pages

It's all been pre-ordained.....LEH WE GOO!!!!




(come to think of it since pioneertrini buss all de mason and illumninati files...allyuh notice he never post again....ah feel flex & tallman in dis ting oui)
Doh get kicks...allyuh never notice how flex does be quiet,quiet quiet & tallman does know de answer to ANY football question posed....dat aint natural
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: lickslikefire on July 25, 2006, 06:59:19 AM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.

aight I didn't know what mossad was, so i check it up  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

History
The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shabak") and the foreign offices "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at approximately 1,200. Its motto is be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14) [1]

[edit]
High profile operations
Its many successes in serving Israel's security interests have earned Mossad a reputation for being extremely effective as an intelligence agency. Controversy exists over a few cases where it has employed the tactics of kidnapping and assassination.

[edit]
Successful operations
Location and capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. In 1960, Mossad discovered that Eichmann was in Argentina and through surveillance, they confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. The Israeli government approved an operation to capture Eichmann and bring him to Jerusalem for trial as a war criminal. He was captured by a team of Mossad agents on May 11, 1960, as part of a covert operation.
Assisting in the defection and rescuing the family of Munir Redfa, an Iraqi pilot who defected and flew his MiG 21 to Israel.
Provided key intelligence on the Egyptian Air Force for Operation Focus, the opening airstrike of the Six-Day War.
Assassination of those responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Olympic Games, called "Operation Wrath of God".
Intelligence and operational assistance in 1973 Operation Spring of Youth.
Providing intelligence for Israeli military operations, thousands of miles away from Israel, for instance, for Operation Entebbe in 1976.
Assisting in Operation Moses, the immigration of Ethiopian Jews to Israel.
Providing highly sensitive information about Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in 1981.
Abduction of Mordechai Vanunu in Italy 1986.[2]
The alleged assassination of Canadian scientist Gerald Bull, developer of the Iraqi supergun. While he was working on the Scud project, someone started "warning" him to stop working on the missiles. Over a period of a few months his apartment was broken into several times but nothing was stolen. He nevertheless continued to work on the project, and in March 1990 he was shot five times in the back of the neck while opening his door. The most common theory is that Mossad was responsible, and Mossad representatives have uncharacteristically all but claimed responsibility for his murder. Others, including Bull's son, believe that the Mossad is taking credit for an act they did not commit to scare off others who may try to help enemy regimes. The alternative theory is that Bull was killed by the CIA. Iraq and Iran are also candidates for suspicion.[1]
The acquisition of French Mirage III plans leading to the development of the Kfir.
The acquisition of French patrol boats which were paid for by the Israeli government, but were stopped by an arms embargo.
[edit]
Failed operations
In July 1973, Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, was killed while walking with his pregnant wife. He had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September, the Palestinian group responsible for the Munich massacre, who had been given shelter in Norway. The Mossad agents had used fake Canadian passports, which angered the Canadian government. Six Mossad agents were arrested, and the incident became known as the Lillehammer affair.

In 1981, fake British passports were discovered in a grocery bag in London, leading to a diplomatic row with Israel over Mossad involvement in an attempt to infiltrate China.

In 1997, two Mossad agents were caught in Jordan, which had signed a peace treaty with Israel, on a mission to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal, a leader of Hamas, by injecting him with poison at a pro-Hamas rally in Amman. Again, they were using fake Canadian passports. This led to a diplomatic row with Canada and Jordan, and Israel was forced to provide the poison antidote and release around 70 Palestinian prisoners, in particular the Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in exchange for the Mossad agents, who would otherwise have faced the death penalty for attempted murder. In March of 2004, seven years after he was released, Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter airstrike.

In July 2004, New Zealand imposed diplomatic sanctions on Israel over an incident in which two Israelis, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, who were allegedly working for Mossad, attempted to obtain New Zealand passports fraudulently. Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom later apologized to New Zealand for their actions. New Zealand cancelled several other passports believed to have been obtained by Israeli agents. [3] Both Kelman and Cara served half of their six month sentences and upon release were deported to Israel. Two others, an Israeli, Ze'ev Barkan, and a New Zealander, David Reznick, are believed to have been the third and fourth men involved in the passport affair but managed to leave New Zealand before being traced.

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 25, 2006, 07:06:57 AM
Come on people....the goal was 20 pages...well my goal anyway  ;D

It have plenty people aint contribute...stop de lurkin and push dis ting over de hill

What do we need to do here,,start mixin de war with the ILLuminati so pioneer trini and compre could bring de ruckus???

We need some conspiracy theories?? so ON DE BLOCK could get some??

We need a lil rascism bacchanal for Feliz to climb in??

More bible theories?? Morvant, Preacher, Friday...dem want some ah dat

ah ha time and popcorn

Politicicans--Vision 2020
Football--S.A. 2010
This thread-- 20 pages

It's all been pre-ordained.....LEH WE GOO!!!!




(come to think of it since pioneertrini buss all de mason and illumninati files...allyuh notice he never post again....ah feel flex & tallman in dis ting oui)
Doh get kicks...allyuh never notice how flex does be quiet,quiet quiet & tallman does know de answer to ANY football question posed....dat aint natural

20 pages eh??

here are some comments from the press

"Hezbollah's leader has caused devastion of his people" "..Nasrallah has shown the world that Islamists can't be trusted with power" - Thomas Friedman, the New York Times

"it is obvious to anybody keeping score that the indiscriminate violence unleashed by Israel is disproportionate and unwarranted" - letter to the editor National Post

"Canada should only be a peacemaker in the middle east and not side with Israel" - Bill Graham - Canada's opposition leader

"Disproportionate? I don't think so" Ben Stein, The American Spectator

"Where are the Lebanose Patriots?" Johanton Kay The National Post

"Majority of Candians support Israel" Ipsos Reid survey

"Former Israeli PM' conditions deteriortates"  Wait .. ah wonder if Hezbollah is to blame for that?




Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 25, 2006, 07:25:35 AM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.

aight I didn't know what mossad was, so i check it up  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

History
The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shabak") and the foreign offices "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at approximately 1,200. Its motto is be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14) [1]

[edit]
High profile operations
Its many successes in serving Israel's security interests have earned Mossad a reputation for being extremely effective as an intelligence agency. Controversy exists over a few cases where it has employed the tactics of kidnapping and assassination.

[edit]
Successful operations
Location and capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. In 1960, Mossad discovered that Eichmann was in Argentina and through surveillance, they confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. The Israeli government approved an operation to capture Eichmann and bring him to Jerusalem for trial as a war criminal. He was captured by a team of Mossad agents on May 11, 1960, as part of a covert operation.
Assisting in the defection and rescuing the family of Munir Redfa, an Iraqi pilot who defected and flew his MiG 21 to Israel.
Provided key intelligence on the Egyptian Air Force for Operation Focus, the opening airstrike of the Six-Day War.
Assassination of those responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Olympic Games, called "Operation Wrath of God".
Intelligence and operational assistance in 1973 Operation Spring of Youth.
Providing intelligence for Israeli military operations, thousands of miles away from Israel, for instance, for Operation Entebbe in 1976.
Assisting in Operation Moses, the immigration of Ethiopian Jews to Israel.
Providing highly sensitive information about Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in 1981.
Abduction of Mordechai Vanunu in Italy 1986.[2]
The alleged assassination of Canadian scientist Gerald Bull, developer of the Iraqi supergun. While he was working on the Scud project, someone started "warning" him to stop working on the missiles. Over a period of a few months his apartment was broken into several times but nothing was stolen. He nevertheless continued to work on the project, and in March 1990 he was shot five times in the back of the neck while opening his door. The most common theory is that Mossad was responsible, and Mossad representatives have uncharacteristically all but claimed responsibility for his murder. Others, including Bull's son, believe that the Mossad is taking credit for an act they did not commit to scare off others who may try to help enemy regimes. The alternative theory is that Bull was killed by the CIA. Iraq and Iran are also candidates for suspicion.[1]
The acquisition of French Mirage III plans leading to the development of the Kfir.
The acquisition of French patrol boats which were paid for by the Israeli government, but were stopped by an arms embargo.
[edit]
Failed operations
In July 1973, Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, was killed while walking with his pregnant wife. He had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September, the Palestinian group responsible for the Munich massacre, who had been given shelter in Norway. The Mossad agents had used fake Canadian passports, which angered the Canadian government. Six Mossad agents were arrested, and the incident became known as the Lillehammer affair.

In 1981, fake British passports were discovered in a grocery bag in London, leading to a diplomatic row with Israel over Mossad involvement in an attempt to infiltrate China.

In 1997, two Mossad agents were caught in Jordan, which had signed a peace treaty with Israel, on a mission to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal, a leader of Hamas, by injecting him with poison at a pro-Hamas rally in Amman. Again, they were using fake Canadian passports. This led to a diplomatic row with Canada and Jordan, and Israel was forced to provide the poison antidote and release around 70 Palestinian prisoners, in particular the Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in exchange for the Mossad agents, who would otherwise have faced the death penalty for attempted murder. In March of 2004, seven years after he was released, Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter airstrike.

In July 2004, New Zealand imposed diplomatic sanctions on Israel over an incident in which two Israelis, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, who were allegedly working for Mossad, attempted to obtain New Zealand passports fraudulently. Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom later apologized to New Zealand for their actions. New Zealand cancelled several other passports believed to have been obtained by Israeli agents. [3] Both Kelman and Cara served half of their six month sentences and upon release were deported to Israel. Two others, an Israeli, Ze'ev Barkan, and a New Zealander, David Reznick, are believed to have been the third and fourth men involved in the passport affair but managed to leave New Zealand before being traced.


ole man like u didnt know what "ha" mossad was....lord fadda u know what the mounties does do..lol u living here ....start growing a co op
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 25, 2006, 07:27:25 AM
Come on people....the goal was 20 pages...well my goal anyway  ;D

It have plenty people aint contribute...stop de lurkin and push dis ting over de hill

What do we need to do here,,start mixin de war with the ILLuminati so pioneer trini and compre could bring de ruckus???

We need some conspiracy theories?? so ON DE BLOCK could get some??

We need a lil rascism bacchanal for Feliz to climb in??

More bible theories?? Morvant, Preacher, Friday...dem want some ah dat

ah ha time and popcorn

Politicicans--Vision 2020
Football--S.A. 2010
This thread-- 20 pages

It's all been pre-ordained.....LEH WE GOO!!!!




(come to think of it since pioneertrini buss all de mason and illumninati files...allyuh notice he never post again....ah feel flex & tallman in dis ting oui)
Doh get kicks...allyuh never notice how flex does be quiet,quiet quiet & tallman does know de answer to ANY football question posed....dat aint natural
dutty for this thing to reach so far we need ot page toppa back here. she scarce last few days
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: lickslikefire on July 25, 2006, 07:31:05 AM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.

aight I didn't know what mossad was, so i check it up  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

History
The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shabak") and the foreign offices "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at approximately 1,200. Its motto is be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14) [1]

[edit]
High profile operations
Its many successes in serving Israel's security interests have earned Mossad a reputation for being extremely effective as an intelligence agency. Controversy exists over a few cases where it has employed the tactics of kidnapping and assassination.

[edit]
Successful operations
Location and capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. In 1960, Mossad discovered that Eichmann was in Argentina and through surveillance, they confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. The Israeli government approved an operation to capture Eichmann and bring him to Jerusalem for trial as a war criminal. He was captured by a team of Mossad agents on May 11, 1960, as part of a covert operation.
Assisting in the defection and rescuing the family of Munir Redfa, an Iraqi pilot who defected and flew his MiG 21 to Israel.
Provided key intelligence on the Egyptian Air Force for Operation Focus, the opening airstrike of the Six-Day War.
Assassination of those responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Olympic Games, called "Operation Wrath of God".
Intelligence and operational assistance in 1973 Operation Spring of Youth.
Providing intelligence for Israeli military operations, thousands of miles away from Israel, for instance, for Operation Entebbe in 1976.
Assisting in Operation Moses, the immigration of Ethiopian Jews to Israel.
Providing highly sensitive information about Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in 1981.
Abduction of Mordechai Vanunu in Italy 1986.[2]
The alleged assassination of Canadian scientist Gerald Bull, developer of the Iraqi supergun. While he was working on the Scud project, someone started "warning" him to stop working on the missiles. Over a period of a few months his apartment was broken into several times but nothing was stolen. He nevertheless continued to work on the project, and in March 1990 he was shot five times in the back of the neck while opening his door. The most common theory is that Mossad was responsible, and Mossad representatives have uncharacteristically all but claimed responsibility for his murder. Others, including Bull's son, believe that the Mossad is taking credit for an act they did not commit to scare off others who may try to help enemy regimes. The alternative theory is that Bull was killed by the CIA. Iraq and Iran are also candidates for suspicion.[1]
The acquisition of French Mirage III plans leading to the development of the Kfir.
The acquisition of French patrol boats which were paid for by the Israeli government, but were stopped by an arms embargo.
[edit]
Failed operations
In July 1973, Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, was killed while walking with his pregnant wife. He had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September, the Palestinian group responsible for the Munich massacre, who had been given shelter in Norway. The Mossad agents had used fake Canadian passports, which angered the Canadian government. Six Mossad agents were arrested, and the incident became known as the Lillehammer affair.

In 1981, fake British passports were discovered in a grocery bag in London, leading to a diplomatic row with Israel over Mossad involvement in an attempt to infiltrate China.

In 1997, two Mossad agents were caught in Jordan, which had signed a peace treaty with Israel, on a mission to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal, a leader of Hamas, by injecting him with poison at a pro-Hamas rally in Amman. Again, they were using fake Canadian passports. This led to a diplomatic row with Canada and Jordan, and Israel was forced to provide the poison antidote and release around 70 Palestinian prisoners, in particular the Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in exchange for the Mossad agents, who would otherwise have faced the death penalty for attempted murder. In March of 2004, seven years after he was released, Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter airstrike.

In July 2004, New Zealand imposed diplomatic sanctions on Israel over an incident in which two Israelis, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, who were allegedly working for Mossad, attempted to obtain New Zealand passports fraudulently. Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom later apologized to New Zealand for their actions. New Zealand cancelled several other passports believed to have been obtained by Israeli agents. [3] Both Kelman and Cara served half of their six month sentences and upon release were deported to Israel. Two others, an Israeli, Ze'ev Barkan, and a New Zealander, David Reznick, are believed to have been the third and fourth men involved in the passport affair but managed to leave New Zealand before being traced.


ole man like u didnt know what "ha" mossad was....lord fadda u know what the mounties does do..lol u living here ....start growing a co op
What de ass I hearing here......Dyslexic/Kandi Toronto....first off, we's de same age....and secondly some people have to work during de summer and not up to date with current events  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 25, 2006, 07:33:15 AM
las nite, meh borh again Christian neighbour say teh answer is to nuke everybody.

my neighbourhood is very diverse

Bahai
Born Again
Christian Lebonese
Roman Catholic
Angilcan
United
Agnostics
Baptists
Doh give a sh*t
Moslem
Greek Orthodox
Druids
Wickka
Neruvian sun worshippers


I should invite dem to this forum
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 25, 2006, 07:33:35 AM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.

aight I didn't know what mossad was, so i check it up  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

History
The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shabak") and the foreign offices "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at approximately 1,200. Its motto is be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14) [1]

[edit]
High profile operations
Its many successes in serving Israel's security interests have earned Mossad a reputation for being extremely effective as an intelligence agency. Controversy exists over a few cases where it has employed the tactics of kidnapping and assassination.

[edit]
Successful operations
Location and capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. In 1960, Mossad discovered that Eichmann was in Argentina and through surveillance, they confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. The Israeli government approved an operation to capture Eichmann and bring him to Jerusalem for trial as a war criminal. He was captured by a team of Mossad agents on May 11, 1960, as part of a covert operation.
Assisting in the defection and rescuing the family of Munir Redfa, an Iraqi pilot who defected and flew his MiG 21 to Israel.
Provided key intelligence on the Egyptian Air Force for Operation Focus, the opening airstrike of the Six-Day War.
Assassination of those responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Olympic Games, called "Operation Wrath of God".
Intelligence and operational assistance in 1973 Operation Spring of Youth.
Providing intelligence for Israeli military operations, thousands of miles away from Israel, for instance, for Operation Entebbe in 1976.
Assisting in Operation Moses, the immigration of Ethiopian Jews to Israel.
Providing highly sensitive information about Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in 1981.
Abduction of Mordechai Vanunu in Italy 1986.[2]
The alleged assassination of Canadian scientist Gerald Bull, developer of the Iraqi supergun. While he was working on the Scud project, someone started "warning" him to stop working on the missiles. Over a period of a few months his apartment was broken into several times but nothing was stolen. He nevertheless continued to work on the project, and in March 1990 he was shot five times in the back of the neck while opening his door. The most common theory is that Mossad was responsible, and Mossad representatives have uncharacteristically all but claimed responsibility for his murder. Others, including Bull's son, believe that the Mossad is taking credit for an act they did not commit to scare off others who may try to help enemy regimes. The alternative theory is that Bull was killed by the CIA. Iraq and Iran are also candidates for suspicion.[1]
The acquisition of French Mirage III plans leading to the development of the Kfir.
The acquisition of French patrol boats which were paid for by the Israeli government, but were stopped by an arms embargo.
[edit]
Failed operations
In July 1973, Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, was killed while walking with his pregnant wife. He had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September, the Palestinian group responsible for the Munich massacre, who had been given shelter in Norway. The Mossad agents had used fake Canadian passports, which angered the Canadian government. Six Mossad agents were arrested, and the incident became known as the Lillehammer affair.

In 1981, fake British passports were discovered in a grocery bag in London, leading to a diplomatic row with Israel over Mossad involvement in an attempt to infiltrate China.

In 1997, two Mossad agents were caught in Jordan, which had signed a peace treaty with Israel, on a mission to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal, a leader of Hamas, by injecting him with poison at a pro-Hamas rally in Amman. Again, they were using fake Canadian passports. This led to a diplomatic row with Canada and Jordan, and Israel was forced to provide the poison antidote and release around 70 Palestinian prisoners, in particular the Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in exchange for the Mossad agents, who would otherwise have faced the death penalty for attempted murder. In March of 2004, seven years after he was released, Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter airstrike.

In July 2004, New Zealand imposed diplomatic sanctions on Israel over an incident in which two Israelis, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, who were allegedly working for Mossad, attempted to obtain New Zealand passports fraudulently. Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom later apologized to New Zealand for their actions. New Zealand cancelled several other passports believed to have been obtained by Israeli agents. [3] Both Kelman and Cara served half of their six month sentences and upon release were deported to Israel. Two others, an Israeli, Ze'ev Barkan, and a New Zealander, David Reznick, are believed to have been the third and fourth men involved in the passport affair but managed to leave New Zealand before being traced.


ole man like u didnt know what "ha" mossad was....lord fadda u know what the mounties does do..lol u living here ....start growing a co op
What de ass I hearing here......Dyslexic/Kandi Toronto....first off, we's de same age....and secondly some people have to work during de summer and not up to date with current events  ;D
lol...but the mossad around long time..lol. wham never use to watch tv in trini? or the neighbour use to pull thye curtian before panorama start  :devil:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 25, 2006, 07:35:06 AM
las nite, meh borh again Christian neighbour say teh answer is to nuke everybody.

my neighbourhood is very diverse

Bahai
Born Again
Christian Lebonese
Roman Catholic
Angilcan
United
Agnostics
Baptists
Doh give a sh*t
Moslem
Greek Orthodox
Druids
Wickka
Neruvian sun worshippers


I should invite dem to this forum
and they living cliquey london ontario..lord fadda..it must be fun limin with them
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: lickslikefire on July 25, 2006, 07:40:34 AM
nice - that doesn't even touch on what mossad is capable of.

aight I didn't know what mossad was, so i check it up  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

History
The Mossad was formed in December 1949 as the "Central Institute for Coordination", at the recommendation of Reuven Shiloah to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Shiloah wanted a central body to coordinate and improve cooperation between the existing security services — the army's intelligence department (AMAN), the General Security Service (GSS or "Shabak") and the foreign offices "political department". In March 1951, it was reorganized and made a part of the prime minister's office, reporting directly to the prime minister. Its current staff is estimated at approximately 1,200. Its motto is be-'éyn tahbūlōt yīpōl `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rōv yo'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." - Proverbs XI, 14) [1]

[edit]
High profile operations
Its many successes in serving Israel's security interests have earned Mossad a reputation for being extremely effective as an intelligence agency. Controversy exists over a few cases where it has employed the tactics of kidnapping and assassination.

[edit]
Successful operations
Location and capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann. In 1960, Mossad discovered that Eichmann was in Argentina and through surveillance, they confirmed that he had been living there under the name of Ricardo Klement. The Israeli government approved an operation to capture Eichmann and bring him to Jerusalem for trial as a war criminal. He was captured by a team of Mossad agents on May 11, 1960, as part of a covert operation.
Assisting in the defection and rescuing the family of Munir Redfa, an Iraqi pilot who defected and flew his MiG 21 to Israel.
Provided key intelligence on the Egyptian Air Force for Operation Focus, the opening airstrike of the Six-Day War.
Assassination of those responsible for the Munich massacre at the 1972 Olympic Games, called "Operation Wrath of God".
Intelligence and operational assistance in 1973 Operation Spring of Youth.
Providing intelligence for Israeli military operations, thousands of miles away from Israel, for instance, for Operation Entebbe in 1976.
Assisting in Operation Moses, the immigration of Ethiopian Jews to Israel.
Providing highly sensitive information about Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in 1981.
Abduction of Mordechai Vanunu in Italy 1986.[2]
The alleged assassination of Canadian scientist Gerald Bull, developer of the Iraqi supergun. While he was working on the Scud project, someone started "warning" him to stop working on the missiles. Over a period of a few months his apartment was broken into several times but nothing was stolen. He nevertheless continued to work on the project, and in March 1990 he was shot five times in the back of the neck while opening his door. The most common theory is that Mossad was responsible, and Mossad representatives have uncharacteristically all but claimed responsibility for his murder. Others, including Bull's son, believe that the Mossad is taking credit for an act they did not commit to scare off others who may try to help enemy regimes. The alternative theory is that Bull was killed by the CIA. Iraq and Iran are also candidates for suspicion.[1]
The acquisition of French Mirage III plans leading to the development of the Kfir.
The acquisition of French patrol boats which were paid for by the Israeli government, but were stopped by an arms embargo.
[edit]
Failed operations
In July 1973, Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, was killed while walking with his pregnant wife. He had been mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September, the Palestinian group responsible for the Munich massacre, who had been given shelter in Norway. The Mossad agents had used fake Canadian passports, which angered the Canadian government. Six Mossad agents were arrested, and the incident became known as the Lillehammer affair.

In 1981, fake British passports were discovered in a grocery bag in London, leading to a diplomatic row with Israel over Mossad involvement in an attempt to infiltrate China.

In 1997, two Mossad agents were caught in Jordan, which had signed a peace treaty with Israel, on a mission to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal, a leader of Hamas, by injecting him with poison at a pro-Hamas rally in Amman. Again, they were using fake Canadian passports. This led to a diplomatic row with Canada and Jordan, and Israel was forced to provide the poison antidote and release around 70 Palestinian prisoners, in particular the Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in exchange for the Mossad agents, who would otherwise have faced the death penalty for attempted murder. In March of 2004, seven years after he was released, Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter airstrike.

In July 2004, New Zealand imposed diplomatic sanctions on Israel over an incident in which two Israelis, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, who were allegedly working for Mossad, attempted to obtain New Zealand passports fraudulently. Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom later apologized to New Zealand for their actions. New Zealand cancelled several other passports believed to have been obtained by Israeli agents. [3] Both Kelman and Cara served half of their six month sentences and upon release were deported to Israel. Two others, an Israeli, Ze'ev Barkan, and a New Zealander, David Reznick, are believed to have been the third and fourth men involved in the passport affair but managed to leave New Zealand before being traced.


ole man like u didnt know what "ha" mossad was....lord fadda u know what the mounties does do..lol u living here ....start growing a co op
What de ass I hearing here......Dyslexic/Kandi Toronto....first off, we's de same age....and secondly some people have to work during de summer and not up to date with current events  ;D
lol...but the mossad around long time..lol. wham never use to watch tv in trini? or the neighbour use to pull thye curtian before panorama start  :devil:
oho.....well dat explains it...I never watched much tv/news...only sports sunday/desmond/alo alo  :devil:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 25, 2006, 07:41:30 AM
las nite, meh borh again Christian neighbour say teh answer is to nuke everybody.

my neighbourhood is very diverse

Bahai
Born Again
Christian Lebonese
Roman Catholic
Angilcan
United
Agnostics
Baptists
Doh give a sh*t
Moslem
Greek Orthodox
Druids
Wickka
Neruvian sun worshippers


I should invite dem to this forum
and they living cliquey london ontario..lord fadda..it must be fun limin with them

we had a redneck but he finally moved .. de ting is, he did not know he was a redneck.  Am sure he use to say "i have friends in the neighbourhood who are of colour".

But i wish he was here for me to hear his opinions on the mid-east.  He always provided entertainment.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 25, 2006, 07:42:31 AM
Pecan

ALL dem religion de man join and he still talkin bout nuke de people


He miss out on one...de satanic church
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 25, 2006, 07:43:38 AM
las nite, meh borh again Christian neighbour say teh answer is to nuke everybody.

my neighbourhood is very diverse

Bahai
Born Again
Christian Lebonese
Roman Catholic
Angilcan
United
Agnostics
Baptists
Doh give a sh*t
Moslem
Greek Orthodox
Druids
Wickka
Neruvian sun worshippers


I should invite dem to this forum
and they living cliquey london ontario..lord fadda..it must be fun limin with them

we had a redneck but he finally moved .. de ting is, he did not know he was a redneck.  Am sure he use to say "i have friends in the neighbourhood who are of colour".

But i wish he was here for me to hear his opinions on the mid-east.  He always provided entertainment.
wow u lucky... u had your very own redneck. how often did u have to feed him and carry him for walks..and ..am curb him?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 25, 2006, 07:45:31 AM
Pecan

ALL dem religion de man join and he still talkin bout nuke de people


He miss out on one...de satanic church

ha ha lol

in his defense ... he was joking  (but I was surpriesed that he would even say that)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 25, 2006, 07:47:45 AM
Pecan

ALL dem religion de man join and he still talkin bout nuke de people


He miss out on one...de satanic church
remind me of ah indian fella i know. he name ali..he was brought up muslim, he wife hindu..so he always involved in some hindu religious ceremony and i think he children is hindu...but he is a baptised spiritual baptist. with one set of effigies of one set ah saints.
btw they own ah roti shop in fl....pm me all de floridians for info  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 25, 2006, 07:49:22 AM
las nite, meh borh again Christian neighbour say teh answer is to nuke everybody.

my neighbourhood is very diverse

Bahai
Born Again
Christian Lebonese
Roman Catholic
Angilcan
United
Agnostics
Baptists
Doh give a sh*t
Moslem
Greek Orthodox
Druids
Wickka
Neruvian sun worshippers


I should invite dem to this forum
and they living cliquey london ontario..lord fadda..it must be fun limin with them

we had a redneck but he finally moved .. de ting is, he did not know he was a redneck.  Am sure he use to say "i have friends in the neighbourhood who are of colour".

But i wish he was here for me to hear his opinions on the mid-east.  He always provided entertainment.
wow u lucky... u had your very own redneck. how often did u have to feed him and carry him for walks..and ..am curb him?

I do miss him ...  He moved as soon as he could afford a bigger house.  Den next ting, he have mistress, den he kick the wofe out (His wife was very pleasant).  Den he move in the hony and she children, den he kick his son out.

I do miss him.  If he was in the 'hood, ah could ask him if the new lady better than the old.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 25, 2006, 08:32:22 AM
I don't think people realize how superior the Israeli Army is to any army in the Middle East....they not even flexing dey muscles yet....check dis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Expenditures_and_alliances

"Expenditures and alliances
During 1950-66, Israel spent an average of 9% of its GDP on defense. Defense expenditures increased dramatically after both the 1967 and 1973 wars. In 1996, the military budget reached 10.6% of GDP and represented about 21.5% of the total 1996 budget.

In 1983, the United States and Israel established a Joint Political Military Group, which convenes twice a year. Both the U.S. and Israel participate in joint military planning and combined exercises, and have collaborated on military research and weapons development. Additionally the U.S. military maintains two classified, pre-positioned War Reserve Stocks in Israel valued at $493 million. [1] Israel has the official distinction of being an American Major non-NATO ally. As a result of this, America shares the vast majority of its security and military technology with Israel.

Israel has received US$1.8 billion in military aid annually from the United States since 1973. [2] This amount has increased in recent years as non-military economic aid has been shifted to military aid.[3] This aid is earmarked for use in the U.S. defence contractor market."

"Israeli military technology
 
Israeli-modified F-16 flying over Masada.The IDF is considered to be one of the most high-tech armies in the world, possessing top-of-the-line weapons and computer systems, Some of it American-made or indigenously modified (such as the M4A1 assault rifle, F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon jets and Apache helicopter).  Israel also has developed its own independent weapons industry. Weapons such as the Merkava battle tank, Kfir jet series, and various small arms such as the Galil assault rifle and Uzi submachine gun have all proven to be very successful.

The IDF also has several large internal research and development departments, and it purchases many technologies produced by the Israeli security industries including IAI, IMI, Elbit, El-Op, Rafael, Soltam and dozens of smaller firms. Many of these developments have been battle-tested in Israel's numerous military engagements, making the relationship mutually beneficial, the IDF getting tailor-made solutions and the industries a very high repute.

[edit]
Main Israeli developments
 
An Israeli Merkava main battle tank.Israel's military technology is most famous for its guns, armored fighting vehicles (tanks, tank-converted APCs, armoured bulldozers etc) and rocketry (missiles and rockets). Israel also designs and in some cases it has manufactured aircraft (Kfir, Lavi; both discontinued) and naval systems (patrol and missile ships). Much of the IDF's electronic systems (intelligence, communication, command and control, navigation etc.) are Israeli-developed, including many systems installed on foreign platforms (esp. aircraft, tanks and submarines). So are many of its precision-guided munitions.

Israel and the United States are the only countries in the world with an anti-ballistic missile defense system ("Hetz", Arrow, or Patriot (U.S.) developed with funding and technology from the United States), though an operational system is in place protecting the Moscow area. Israel is also working with the U.S. on development of a tactical high energy laser system against medium range rockets (called Nautilus THEL).

Israel has the independent capability of launching reconnaissance satellites into orbit (a capability which only Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom, France, the People's Republic of China, India and Japan hold). Both the satellites (Ofeq) and the launchers (Shavit) were developed by the Israeli security industries.

Israel is also said to have developed an indigenous nuclear capability, although no official details or acknowledgements have ever been publicized. On the issue of this nuclear weapons program, Israel chooses to follow a policy of deliberate ambiguity."


of course...during the 60's and 70's....america lossed some uranium..(cia stole it and sold it to de israelis). they r the only country in de mid east with nuclear weapons... even though they r jus tactical nukes..they nukes..the yield will eb close to dat of hiroshima. so they r by far the strongest military force in de mideast..added to de fact they have the best trained soldiers they ahve to be..they ass surrounded on all sides by ppl who wanna annialate them. still dont give dem the right to kill civilians..btu dat always happens. in war...civilians always get the short end of de stick..up d ebum hole

yuh ever hear of mordechai vanunu? - i remember when that case broke when i was in school. he was an insider that reported on the israeli nuclear program. here's the write up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

mossad again - during the cold war years, i think they had a vital intelligence role - they were a nexus between the usa and the soviets. they had the relationship with the usa but also with russia because of the immigration. one could argue they were the centre of the intelligence community. not sure what the situation is now. they caught a guy in the usa for selling secrets to the israelis not long ago - the pollard case. that didn't get much attention. if it's one organization that might know where osama is ... i'd bet on the mossad  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 25, 2006, 08:42:48 AM
anybody see the movie "Munich" btw
I just watch "Syriana" yesterday..them Emir's and Princes in the Middle East so damn naive and dem Americans exploiting them silly silly.

yeah, ah saw munich and syriana. that was some ting with the saudis - but they have some real demographic problems in that country. a very young population and no jobs. that part with the young day labourer - hard life.

Another thing.. if Lebanon say they go fight back if Isreal go further north..how come they didn't use whatever means they have to fight Israel, to get rid of Hezbollah?

from what ah read, hezbollah isn't just a militia, they also do alot of social services work - run soup kitchens and schools and stuff like that. for a weak govt like lebanon to attack hezbollah, they also risk alienating their population. no politician is willing to make this sacrifice. hamas is the same thing in the occupied territories - they even run a university. disentangling hezbollah from lebanon is real problems.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 25, 2006, 10:26:27 AM

of course...during the 60's and 70's....america lossed some uranium..(cia stole it and sold it to de israelis). they r the only country in de mid east with nuclear weapons... even though they r jus tactical nukes..they nukes..the yield will eb close to dat of hiroshima. so they r by far the strongest military force in de mideast..added to de fact they have the best trained soldiers they ahve to be..they ass surrounded on all sides by ppl who wanna annialate them. still dont give dem the right to kill civilians..btu dat always happens. in war...civilians always get the short end of de stick..up d ebum hole
They can also say that they are surrounding these people that wants to annihilate them too :-\ Here's another piece of the jigsaw puzzle - http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3208hariri_killed.html

interesting piece; consistent with what has happened recently and what is likely to happen. the shift from iran to syria seems to be out of necessity. iran has interests with china and russia (energy). but iran is also a large contributor to hezbollah and they use this influence syria and lebanon. it seems like some kind of showdown between the usa and iran is happening but not on iranian soil. bad for the lebanese people.  :(
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 25, 2006, 05:15:51 PM
anybody see the movie "Munich" btw
I just watch "Syriana" yesterday..them Emir's and Princes in the Middle East so damn naive and dem Americans exploiting them silly silly.

yeah, ah saw munich and syriana. that was some ting with the saudis - but they have some real demographic problems in that country. a very young population and no jobs. that part with the young day labourer - hard life.

Another thing.. if Lebanon say they go fight back if Isreal go further north..how come they didn't use whatever means they have to fight Israel, to get rid of Hezbollah?

from what ah read, hezbollah isn't just a militia, they also do alot of social services work - run soup kitchens and schools and stuff like that. for a weak govt like lebanon to attack hezbollah, they also risk alienating their population. no politician is willing to make this sacrifice. hamas is the same thing in the occupied territories - they even run a university. disentangling hezbollah from lebanon is real problems.

I do know bout the social work done by these groups..but yuh know Ribbit..I never hear any media house give that simple explanation as to why Lebanon ent really trying to drive Hezbollah out...or Palestine get rid of Hamas.
maybe cause it make too much sense and is the right reason lol.

Licks..check out "Munich"..that involve the Mossad and thing.
Somewhere i read many years ago that Israel have the best fighter pilots and secret service agents.
They combined the best of training and weapons from both Russia and the US.
I ent know how true it is though..anybody ever hear anything similar?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 25, 2006, 05:28:16 PM

of course...during the 60's and 70's....america lossed some uranium..(cia stole it and sold it to de israelis). they r the only country in de mid east with nuclear weapons... even though they r jus tactical nukes..they nukes..the yield will eb close to dat of hiroshima. so they r by far the strongest military force in de mideast..added to de fact they have the best trained soldiers they ahve to be..they ass surrounded on all sides by ppl who wanna annialate them. still dont give dem the right to kill civilians..btu dat always happens. in war...civilians always get the short end of de stick..up d ebum hole
They can also say that they are surrounding these people that wants to annihilate them too :-\ Here's another piece of the jigsaw puzzle - http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3208hariri_killed.html

Them flecking neo-cons is the devil children fuh real.
was this the assasination where they had all them cameras 'conveniently' placed to record the event?
i ent like that idea where the US and Israel could fly in a drone and kill whoever they want to, wherever and whenever. Look the other day how much people died when they assasinated some Hamas fella..steups
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ann3boys on July 26, 2006, 06:28:17 AM
here's another comparison...how come t & t govts can't get rid of the muslimeen org...is that like the hisbollah and hamas?? ???

good info there on the Cheney brief- looks like they are implementing some of those ,eh. There's got to be something wrong with countries like us and israel having the right to 'defend themselves' ??? on other peoples property...surely that is the wrong meaning of the word... :-\

by the way any news if Nakhid got out safely??
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: lickslikefire on July 26, 2006, 07:00:08 AM
anybody see the movie "Munich" btw
I just watch "Syriana" yesterday..them Emir's and Princes in the Middle East so damn naive and dem Americans exploiting them silly silly.

yeah, ah saw munich and syriana. that was some ting with the saudis - but they have some real demographic problems in that country. a very young population and no jobs. that part with the young day labourer - hard life.

Another thing.. if Lebanon say they go fight back if Isreal go further north..how come they didn't use whatever means they have to fight Israel, to get rid of Hezbollah?

from what ah read, hezbollah isn't just a militia, they also do alot of social services work - run soup kitchens and schools and stuff like that. for a weak govt like lebanon to attack hezbollah, they also risk alienating their population. no politician is willing to make this sacrifice. hamas is the same thing in the occupied territories - they even run a university. disentangling hezbollah from lebanon is real problems.

I do know bout the social work done by these groups..but yuh know Ribbit..I never hear any media house give that simple explanation as to why Lebanon ent really trying to drive Hezbollah out...or Palestine get rid of Hamas.
maybe cause it make too much sense and is the right reason lol.

Licks..check out "Munich"..that involve the Mossad and thing.
Somewhere i read many years ago that Israel have the best fighter pilots and secret service agents.
They combined the best of training and weapons from both Russia and the US.
I ent know how true it is though..anybody ever hear anything similar?


Yeah boy I saw Munich....I just didn't pick up on the name mossad......my memory kind ah bad  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 26, 2006, 07:03:25 AM
Is all dat pineppale in yuh food ,, messin with yuh brain and nervous system  :D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: lickslikefire on July 26, 2006, 07:18:35 AM
Matouk's boy....ah telling yuh, yuh have to try it...doh fight it down....it is useless

yuh wife go like it too  :devil:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Weh-it-is on July 26, 2006, 07:58:16 AM
And Jesus began to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, and let it out to tenants, and went into another country for a long while. When the time came, he sent a servant to the tenants, that they should give him some of the fruit of the vineyard; but the tenants beat him, and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent another servant; him also they beat and treated shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent yet a third; this one they wounded and cast out. Then the owner of the vineyard said, `What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; it may be they will respect him.' But when the tenants saw him, they said to themselves, `This is the heir; let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.' And they cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy those tenants, and give the vineyard to others." When they heard this, they said, "God forbid!" But he looked at them and said, "What then is this that is written: `The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner'? Every one who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; but when it falls on any one it will crush him." (Luke 20:9-18).
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 09:52:00 AM
And Jesus began to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, and let it out to tenants, and went into another country for a long while. When the time came, he sent a servant to the tenants, that they should give him some of the fruit of the vineyard; but the tenants beat him, and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent another servant; him also they beat and treated shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent yet a third; this one they wounded and cast out. Then the owner of the vineyard said, `What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; it may be they will respect him.' But when the tenants saw him, they said to themselves, `This is the heir; let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.' And they cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy those tenants, and give the vineyard to others." When they heard this, they said, "God forbid!" But he looked at them and said, "What then is this that is written: `The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner'? Every one who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; but when it falls on any one it will crush him." (Luke 20:9-18).

very appropriate
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 05:36:20 PM
Hmmm so the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped inside Lebanon. Now that's very interesting.

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

It also been reported that Israel are using Phosphorus weapons.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24911888.htm

Video:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/VIDEO__Lebanese_Doctor_Says_Phosphorus_0724.html
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity. [Forbes 7/12/06]

The Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. "Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon," a statement by Hezbollah said. "The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place," it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. [Hindustan Times 7/12/06]

The Lebanese Hezbollah movement announced Wednesday the arrest of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were arrested as they entered the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. Israeli aircraft were active in the air over southern Lebanon, police said, with jets bombing roads leading to the market town of Nabatiyeh, 60 kilometers south of Beirut. [Bahrain News Agency 7/12/06]

TRANSLATION: According to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory. [fr.news.yahoo 7/12/06]

In the afternoon, the scene changed in the streets of southern Lebanon, which was the target of 32 Israeli raids that mainly targeted areas near the area where the two soldiers were captured in Aita al Chaab, close to the border with Israel. [news.monstersandcritics.com 7/12/06]

According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning. [AFP 7/12/06]

The militant group Hezbollah said it captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes across the border in southern Lebanon on Wednesday. [chinabroadcast 7/12/06]

It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. Hezbollah, which commands the Lebanese south, immediately seized on their crossing. They arrested two Israeli soldiers, killed eight Israelis and wounded over 20 in attacks inside Israeli territory. [Asia Times 7/15/06]

TRANSLATION: Hezbollah has made it clear time and again that it would retaliate by capturing and detaining Israeli soldiers if they entered Lebanon and use them in an exchange of prisoners. Israel has in a deliberate manner sent a commando into Lebanon (Aïta Al Chaab) They came under attack from Hezbollah, who captured two of their soldiers. [voltairenet.org 7/18/06]

Only weeks ago, an entire reserve division was drafted in order to train for an operation such as the one the IDF is planning in response to Wednesday morning's Hizbullah attacks on IDF forces along the northern border. [JPost 7/12/06]
Israel's military response by air, land and sea to what it considered a provocation last week by Hezbollah militants is unfolding according to a plan finalized more than a year ago.

In the years since Israel ended its military occupation of southern Lebanon, it watched warily as Hezbollah built up its military presence in the region. When Hezbollah militants kidnapped two Israeli soldiers last week, the Israeli military was ready to react almost instantly. [SFGate 7/21/06]


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 26, 2006, 06:48:01 PM
Hmmm so the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped inside Lebanon. Now that's very interesting.

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

It also been reported that Israel are using Phosphorus weapons.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24911888.htm

Video:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/VIDEO__Lebanese_Doctor_Says_Phosphorus_0724.html

I been reading that for the past couple weeks,, that they usin white phosphorus in dem bomb.....if so dat REAL dread

de newest conspiracy theory is that is why they 'accidentally' blow up dat UN post yesterday....as dem fellahs woulda report what kinda weapons dey really using
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 06:50:21 PM
Hmmm so the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped inside Lebanon. Now that's very interesting.

http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

It also been reported that Israel are using Phosphorus weapons.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24911888.htm

Video:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/VIDEO__Lebanese_Doctor_Says_Phosphorus_0724.html

I been reading that for the past couple weeks,, that they usin white phosphorus in dem bomb.....if so dat REAL dread

de newest conspiracy theory is that is why they 'accidentally' blow up dat UN post yesterday....as dem fellahs woulda report what kinda weapons dey really using

dat would seem to support Kofi Annan statement that the UN post that was destroyed was a deliberate act ..hmmmm
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 07:02:44 PM
dat would seem to support Kofi Annan statement that the UN post that was destroyed was a deliberate act ..hmmmm

Annan say it was deliberate?
Last I heard was the Israeli's apologized.  He say it was deliberate or he was wondering if it was deliberate....cuz that is a serious allegation.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 07:12:15 PM
Details of the circumstances in which the Israeli air force bombed a United Nations observation post in south Lebanon, killing four UN peacekeepers have begun to emerge.
According to diplomats familiar with the UN's initial report into the incident, the post in the town of Khiam was hit by precision-guided munition, says the BBC's Paul Adams in Jerusalem.

The report says there was fierce fighting in the area for about six hours before the post was hit, during which time UN personnel contacted the Israel military 10 times, urging them to stop firing.

Our correspondent says the UN claims that after each call, it was assured the firing would stop.

Six warning calls

A preliminary UN report said 17 bombardments landed within one kilometre of the post, and 12 artillery rounds hit within 150 metres of the structure - four of them being direct hits.

After this, the post was hit by a precision-guided weapon from an Israeli aircraft.

The Irish foreign ministry said one of its officers in the UN's Unifil peacekeeping force in south Lebanon, placed six warning calls to the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) prior to the attack.

"On six separate occasions he was in contact with the Israelis to warn them that their bombardment was endangering the lives of UN staff in South Lebanon," Reuters news agency quoted an unnamed foreign office spokesman as saying.


"He warned: 'You have to address this problem or lives may be lost'," the spokesman said.

The Associated Press news agency named the officer as Lt Col John Molloy.

The bomb which killed the unarmed peacekeepers - Canadian, Austrian, Finnish and Chinese soldiers - hit the building and shelter of the observation post, near the eastern end of the Lebanese-Israeli border, UN spokesman Milos Struger said.

Israel has launched an investigation.

The UN post was on high ground, in an area once occupied by Israel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5216230.stm
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 07:14:14 PM
dat would seem to support Kofi Annan statement that the UN post that was destroyed was a deliberate act ..hmmmm

Annan say it was deliberate?
Last I heard was the Israeli's apologized.  He say it was deliberate or he was wondering if it was deliberate....cuz that is a serious allegation.

Kofi Annan, the United Nations secretary general, has condemned Israel, saying he was shocked by the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the post, and calling for it to investigate the incident.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A7245E3A-E38D-401D-B70D-1C8434D68F39.htm
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 07:18:39 PM

Ok well that isn't as strong language.
Somebody in the Israeli army will take the fall for the "mistake".
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 26, 2006, 07:28:05 PM

Ok well that isn't as strong language.
Somebody in the Israeli army will take the fall for the "mistake".

Please. ::)...when it come to war dem fellahs doh reprimand nobody

dey go say "hard luck" in public and gih sadis ah medal in de back room
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 07:33:31 PM
What was Israel's excuse? Wait, let me guess, Hezbollah were using the UN premises as a base, right? Just like every one of those civilian places they bombed was a Hezbollah strong-hold.  ::)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 07:40:18 PM

Ok well that isn't as strong language.
Somebody in the Israeli army will take the fall for the "mistake".

Here is what Annan allegedly said:

"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces," Annan said in a statement.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 07:41:41 PM
What was Israel's excuse? Wait, let me guess, Hezbollah were using the UN premises as a base, right? Just like every one of those civilian places they bombed was a Hezbollah strong-hold.  ::)

hold tight gyal .... now dat the war in stride, doh put it pas both sides to do whatever is necessary to get their way.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 07:42:19 PM
What was Israel's excuse? Wait, let me guess, Hezbollah were using the UN premises as a base, right? Just like every one of those civilian places they bombed was a Hezbollah strong-hold.  ::)

All they have to say is that it was a mistake and continue with their operations.
If they real bold face they might advise the UN it not safe to stay.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 07:44:21 PM
What was Israel's excuse? Wait, let me guess, Hezbollah were using the UN premises as a base, right? Just like every one of those civilian places they bombed was a Hezbollah strong-hold.  ::)

hold tight gyal .... now dat the war in stride, doh put it pas both sides to do whatever is necessary to get their way.

And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 07:49:41 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 07:50:50 PM
250 hezbollah fighters killed to date according to de news. 250 less vermin to deal wit. Good Riddance!!!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 07:51:27 PM
What was Israel's excuse? Wait, let me guess, Hezbollah were using the UN premises as a base, right? Just like every one of those civilian places they bombed was a Hezbollah strong-hold.  ::)

hold tight gyal .... now dat the war in stride, doh put it pas both sides to do whatever is necessary to get their way.

And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

well i would argue that Israelis are suffering .... dey know that dey have 13,000 rockets pointing i their direction (well 13,000 less the ~1300 fired so far).  I would not want to live under that threat.

Hezbollah may be suffering because they miscalculated and now dey force to expend all their rockets.  No turning back
 An soldiers are being kidnapped and are also dying.

Everybody suffering .. that is the charactertic of war ..there are no winners.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 07:52:38 PM
Dutty ... yuh have yuh popcorn ready?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 07:53:07 PM
"Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?"

The lebanese army/govt are too weak tostop hezbollah right now. Even if they could they are afraid of sparking another civil war in the country.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 07:54:23 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 07:55:57 PM
250 hezbollah fighters killed to date according to de news. 250 less vermin to deal wit. Good Riddance!!!!

Those are civilians idiot.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:00:29 PM
250 hezbollah fighters killed to date according to de news. 250 less vermin to deal wit. Good Riddance!!!!

Those are civilians idiot.

Now you see you are again displaying yer ignorance. Actually more than 3oo civilians have been killed. Apart from that ther have been reports that 250' HEZBOLLAH'  fighters have been killed since the ground incursion by Israel over the last few days. Please take time to get some information before you start jabbering. You obviously did not even attempt to research what I said before yer tried to blast me with ignorance. Again relax.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 08:00:55 PM
The lebanese army/govt are too weak tostop hezbollah right now. Even if they could they are afraid of sparking another civil war in the country.

This is the thing I haven't decided upon yet.
Hezbollah has power because people in Lebanon support them....A LOT of people.  This is in addition to Iran and Syria.
So you can't sy Hezbollah holding Lebanon hostage really cuz they have strong support.....so when Lebanon get bomb because of Hezbollah action the same civilians getting killed but is their country and they haven't been able to control what goes on in their borders.

I guess it doesn't make it any less tragic that people are dying but when u say "innocent" lives are lost.  Does that include the ones who support the same guerilla warfare that has led to the assalt on Beirut?
Somehow I don't think the Israeli's see those civilians being as innocent as the rest of the world might see them   :-\
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:02:49 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.

Huh?????? Really well you just full of useless inaccurate information eh???
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:08:25 PM
The lebanese army/govt are too weak tostop hezbollah right now. Even if they could they are afraid of sparking another civil war in the country.

This is the thing I haven't decided upon yet.
Hezbollah has power because people in Lebanon support them....A LOT of people.  This is in addition to Iran and Syria.
So you can't sy Hezbollah holding Lebanon hostage really cuz they have strong support.....so when Lebanon get bomb because of Hezbollah action the same civilians getting killed but is their country and they haven't been able to control what goes on in their borders.

I guess it doesn't make it any less tragic that people are dying but when u say "innocent" lives are lost.  Does that include the ones who support the same guerilla warfare that has led to the assalt on Beirut?
Somehow I don't think the Israeli's see those civilians being as innocent as the rest of the world might see them   :-\

That is a good point and one I can't answer but if I were to guess I would say they are still[ israel that is] trying to limit civilians [all civilians] killed. Hezbollah in some cases are using innocent[ non combatants] as human shileds. Going in their houses and hiding , fighting etc. This makes it defficult to fight them. Make no mistake if Israel just wanted to 'get' hezbollah alot more civilians would be killed. It is because of these civilians that makes the job more difficult. Regardless of whether they support hezbollah or not.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:09:21 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.

Huh?????? Really well you just full of useless inaccurate information eh???

Meaning there is no real Lebanese army that can resist. So if the army cannot withstand an attack from outside forces, then there is no army. And let me see your verifiable source saying that 250 hezbollah fighters have been killed.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 08:10:19 PM
250 hezbollah fighters killed to date according to de news. 250 less vermin to deal wit. Good Riddance!!!!

Those are civilians idiot.

How do u tell the difference between a civilian and a fighter?
Hezbollah fighters don't wear uniforms. (correct me if I am wrong)

Suppose they might just be called fighters when they are killed in combat....then when their base gets bombed or ambushed they are claimed as civilian casualties? 

I really haven't read up much on it last few days so feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have.  It seems like Hezbollah is endangering the Lebanese people just as much as the Israeli army.  What jurisdiction or authority does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers who are in Lebanese territory?

The Lebanese people have more power to confront Hezbollah than Israel.....though more civil war may leave the country weakened for many years.  As long as there are people in Lebanon supporting Guerilla warfare they will suffer   :-[
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
ok ah have ah question.
why didnt Israel tell Lebanon to evacuate all the Lebanese citizens out of the Hezbollah held areas or denounce Hezbollah before they started bombing south Lebanon?
or was it they had to stage ah suprise attack?lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:11:43 PM
The lebanese army/govt are too weak tostop hezbollah right now. Even if they could they are afraid of sparking another civil war in the country.

This is the thing I haven't decided upon yet.
Hezbollah has power because people in Lebanon support them....A LOT of people.  This is in addition to Iran and Syria.
So you can't sy Hezbollah holding Lebanon hostage really cuz they have strong support.....so when Lebanon get bomb because of Hezbollah action the same civilians getting killed but is their country and they haven't been able to control what goes on in their borders.

I guess it doesn't make it any less tragic that people are dying but when u say "innocent" lives are lost.  Does that include the ones who support the same guerilla warfare that has led to the assalt on Beirut?
Somehow I don't think the Israeli's see those civilians being as innocent as the rest of the world might see them   :-\

That is a good point and one I can't answer but if I were to guess I would say they are still[ israel that is] trying to limit civilians [all civilians] killed. Hezbollah in some cases are using innocent[ non combatants] as human shileds. Going in their houses and hiding , fighting etc. This makes it defficult to fight them. Make no mistake if Israel just wanted to 'get' hezbollah alot more civilians would be killed. It is because of these civilians that makes the job more difficult. Regardless of whether they support hezbollah or not.

So I guess Hezbollah were running and hiding in the UN quarters, causing Israel to ignore SIX warnings and blow up the premises killing 7 peace workers. I can easily cite everything I say, but can you? Let's see you try for once.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:15:27 PM
250 hezbollah fighters killed to date according to de news. 250 less vermin to deal wit. Good Riddance!!!!

Those are civilians idiot.

How do u tell the difference between a civilian and a fighter?
Hezbollah fighters don't wear uniforms. (correct me if I am wrong)

Suppose they might just be called fighters when they are killed in combat....then when their base gets bombed or ambushed they are claimed as civilian casualties? 

I really haven't read up much on it last few days so feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have.  It seems like Hezbollah is endangering the Lebanese people just as much as the Israeli army.  What jurisdiction or authority does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers who are in Lebanese territory?

The Lebanese people have more power to confront Hezbollah than Israel.....though more civil war may leave the country weakened for many years.  As long as there are people in Lebanon supporting Guerilla warfare they will suffer   :-[

What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: doc on July 26, 2006, 08:15:45 PM
I get the general impression that MIGHT makes RIGHT. Where exactly does the truth lie? Sadly the truth is of no signficance. So what do we have here ???
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:17:33 PM
How do u tell the difference between a civilian and a fighter?
Hezbollah fighters don't wear uniforms. (correct me if I am wrong)

Suppose they might just be called fighters when they are killed in combat....then when their base gets bombed or ambushed they are claimed as civilian casualties? 


DCS ah think the Hezbollah ones are the fellas with the guns in dey hand  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 08:18:26 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 08:19:33 PM
DCS ah think the Hezbollah ones are the fellas with the guns in dey hand  ;D

And they does turn into civilians when they hide the gun in dey skirt   :whistling:
turn into clark kent   ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 08:21:44 PM
ok ah have ah question.
why didnt Israel tell Lebanon to evacuate all the Lebanese citizens out of the Hezbollah held areas or denounce Hezbollah before they started bombing south Lebanon?
or was it they had to stage ah suprise attack?lol

dey did ... dey dropped leaflets warning ppl to get out.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:22:13 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:24:20 PM
from what ah reading also..this is the 2nd time Israel bomb a UN building..last time a couple hundred civilains died wheile sheltering.
also the White House press fella say that it was ah mistake and Israel go deal with it accordningly..which translates into "we ent give ah fack what israel do"
them people overly boldfaced..steups
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:26:02 PM
DCS ah think the Hezbollah ones are the fellas with the guns in dey hand  ;D

And they does turn into civilians when they hide the gun in dey skirt   :whistling:
turn into clark kent   ;D

LOL

ok ah have ah question.
why didnt Israel tell Lebanon to evacuate all the Lebanese citizens out of the Hezbollah held areas or denounce Hezbollah before they started bombing south Lebanon?
or was it they had to stage ah suprise attack?lol

dey did ... dey dropped leaflets warning ppl to get out.

oh ok ah didnt know that
stupid question..isnt that littering? :rotfl:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 08:26:46 PM
You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Who is Hezbollah to be patrolling Lebanon like them is some official army?

A Lebanese army already exists.  Have the people of Lebanon bestowed any authority (officially or morally) upon Hezbollah to act on their behalf?
Answer dat truthfully!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 08:29:05 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Hezbollah instigated the recent action back on July 12.  Not withstanding your info that the kidnapping was done in Lebanon (an I am not sure of that - I doh trust your sorces).  The sources I read all indicate that iit was Hezbollah dat started this recent shit.  Israel was attempting to rescue a soldier thatwas kidnapped by Hamas a couple of weeks earlier.  Not 100% sure .. but didsunderscores a point that propoganda will be spewed by both sides to blame the other side.

the moral of the story ... yuh cannot accept the various reports at face value.  At the end of dey day, we doh really know what went on.  Only what we read in the biased press.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:29:47 PM
ah think it must be the same way Abu feel he have a right to befriend all them poor fellas from lavantille..so if he provide ah social service people will feel everything legit, right and back them all the time.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 26, 2006, 08:30:02 PM
DUTTY!! where yuh gone????

17 pages and counting
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:31:26 PM
You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Who is Hezbollah to be patrolling Lebanon like them is some official army?

A Lebanese army already exists.  Have the people of Lebanon bestowed any authority (officially or morally) upon Hezbollah to act on their behalf?
Answer dat truthfully!

Hezbollah are seen as heroes and liberators in Lebanon because they were the ones who ended Israel's 20 yr occpation of Lebanon. Israel created Hezbollah.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:32:43 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Hezbollah instigated the recent action back on July 12.  Not withstanding your info that the kidnapping was done in Lebanon (an I am not sure of that - I doh trust your sorces).  The sources I read all indicate that iit was Hezbollah dat started this recent shit.  Israel was attempting to rescue a soldier thatwas kidnapped by Hamas a couple of weeks earlier.  Not 100% sure .. but didsunderscores a point that propoganda will be spewed by both sides to blame the other side.

the moral of the story ... yuh cannot accept the various reports at face value.  At the end of dey day, we doh really know what went on.  Only what we read in the biased press.

aye why didnt Israel target Hamas instead..it didnt seem Hezbollah was 'that' in the news prior to the attacks.
so allyuh trying to say that Israel was right to attack anybody wherever and whenever with their drones?..i talking bout during ceasefire and thing btw
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:33:37 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Hezbollah instigated the recent action back on July 12.  Not withstanding your info that the kidnapping was done in Lebanon (an I am not sure of that - I doh trust your sorces).  The sources I read all indicate that iit was Hezbollah dat started this recent shit.  Israel was attempting to rescue a soldier thatwas kidnapped by Hamas a couple of weeks earlier.  Not 100% sure .. but didsunderscores a point that propoganda will be spewed by both sides to blame the other side.

the moral of the story ... yuh cannot accept the various reports at face value.  At the end of dey day, we doh really know what went on.  Only what we read in the biased press.

If you went on the link I posted at the bottom you would see that the story was carried by numerous news outlets around the world. The soldiers were captured in Lebanon.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:40:30 PM
You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Who is Hezbollah to be patrolling Lebanon like them is some official army?

A Lebanese army already exists.  Have the people of Lebanon bestowed any authority (officially or morally) upon Hezbollah to act on their behalf?
Answer dat truthfully!

Hezbollah are seen as heroes and liberators in Lebanon because they were the ones who ended Israel's 20 yr occpation of Lebanon. Israel created Hezbollah.

 Hezbollah forced Israel to leave? How?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:42:33 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Hezbollah instigated the recent action back on July 12.  Not withstanding your info that the kidnapping was done in Lebanon (an I am not sure of that - I doh trust your sorces).  The sources I read all indicate that iit was Hezbollah dat started this recent shit.  Israel was attempting to rescue a soldier thatwas kidnapped by Hamas a couple of weeks earlier.  Not 100% sure .. but didsunderscores a point that propoganda will be spewed by both sides to blame the other side.

the moral of the story ... yuh cannot accept the various reports at face value.  At the end of dey day, we doh really know what went on.  Only what we read in the biased press.

aye why didnt Israel target Hamas instead..it didnt seem Hezbollah was 'that' in the news prior to the attacks.
so allyuh trying to say that Israel was right to attack anybody wherever and whenever with their drones?..i talking bout during ceasefire and thing btw


 Are you talking about the attempted assainations of hamas leaders etc?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 08:47:28 PM
You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Who is Hezbollah to be patrolling Lebanon like them is some official army?

A Lebanese army already exists.  Have the people of Lebanon bestowed any authority (officially or morally) upon Hezbollah to act on their behalf?
Answer dat truthfully!

Hezbollah are seen as heroes and liberators in Lebanon because they were the ones who ended Israel's 20 yr occpation of Lebanon. Israel created Hezbollah.

 Hezbollah forced Israel to leave? How?

Is me you talking to? Cyar be.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 08:48:12 PM
yeah Jab Jab..they keep trying to take out Hamas leaders..why they didnt try to do the same with Hezbollah also btw..since you brought up that angle?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:52:48 PM
yeah Jab Jab..they keep trying to take out Hamas leaders..why they didnt try to do the same with Hezbollah also btw..since you brought up that angle?

They had minor border skirmishes with Hezbollah but Hamas, islamic jihad etc were /are the main perpetrators of suicde bombs against israeli citizens. So Isreal has attempted to 'take out' the various leaders of these organizations that mastermind these suicide attacks as well as lob rockets from the west bank, gaza etc into israel.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 26, 2006, 08:54:56 PM
You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Who is Hezbollah to be patrolling Lebanon like them is some official army?

A Lebanese army already exists.  Have the people of Lebanon bestowed any authority (officially or morally) upon Hezbollah to act on their behalf?
Answer dat truthfully!

Hezbollah are seen as heroes and liberators in Lebanon because they were the ones who ended Israel's 20 yr occpation of Lebanon. Israel created Hezbollah.

 Hezbollah forced Israel to leave? How?

Is me you talking to? Cyar be.

Good point. It was curious sarcasm to see what valuable infomration would come outta yer mout.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 09:01:39 PM
You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Who is Hezbollah to be patrolling Lebanon like them is some official army?

A Lebanese army already exists.  Have the people of Lebanon bestowed any authority (officially or morally) upon Hezbollah to act on their behalf?
Answer dat truthfully!

Hezbollah are seen as heroes and liberators in Lebanon because they were the ones who ended Israel's 20 yr occpation of Lebanon. Israel created Hezbollah.

 Hezbollah forced Israel to leave? How?

Is me you talking to? Cyar be.

Good point. It was curious sarcasm to see what valuable infomration would come outta yer mout.

Curious sarcasm? You mean ignorance. *Toppa twidles her thumbs while she waits for Jab jab to show her his source saying 250 Hezbollah fighters have been killed*
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 09:05:42 PM

Toppa yuh ent answer how u tell the difference between a civilian and a Hzbollah fighter.
What uniform they wear?
Does it depend on whether they get catch holding a gun or not?

And what exactly was their reason for drawing Israel back into Lebanon?
Cuz u pointed out they drove them out.

So what the remaining conflict about?  Are you sure Hezbollah don't want Israel to come back into Lebanon? (Iran and Syria link)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 09:06:07 PM
And while the assault on Lebanon goes on, Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine continue to burn. But who knows, soon enough Jab Jab will get his wish and we'll also add Iran and Syria to the Middle Eastern debacle.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 26, 2006, 09:08:43 PM

Toppa yuh ent answer how u tell the difference between a civilian and a Hzbollah fighter.
What uniform they wear?
Does it depend on whether they get catch holding a gun or not?

And what exactly was their reason for drawing Israel back into Lebanon?
Cuz u pointed out they drove them out.

So what the remaining conflict about?  Are you sure Hezbollah don't want Israel to come back into Lebanon? (Iran and Syria link)
i feel the US want to draw Syria into a conflict real real bad for whatever reason..they woulda like to get Iran..but Iran ent go fall fuh that crap..plus logistically Iran cant really get involved.
But the US version is that Iran tell hezbollah to start something up so they go take pressure off Iran nuclear program.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 09:13:50 PM

Toppa yuh ent answer how u tell the difference between a civilian and a Hzbollah fighter.
What uniform they wear?
Does it depend on whether they get catch holding a gun or not?

And what exactly was their reason for drawing Israel back into Lebanon?
Cuz u pointed out they drove them out.

So what the remaining conflict about?  Are you sure Hezbollah don't want Israel to come back into Lebanon? (Iran and Syria link)

As Feliziano said, they're usually the ones carrying the guns and fighting. Not the ones trying to flee the carnage and getting blown up by Israeli missiles and air strikes. Or are you trying to imply that it's so difficult to tell who the civilians are so the Israelis have just cause to kill indiscriminately? Hezbollah were the ones responsible for the end to Israel's occupation of Lebanon, they did not "draw them back in". Next ting yuh go ask is why dey Palestinians doh come out de Gaza strip and leave it fuh Israel ah wha'? Why would Hezbollah want Israel to come into Lebanon?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 09:17:58 PM
I get the general impression that MIGHT makes RIGHT. Where exactly does the truth lie? Sadly the truth is of no signficance. So what do we have here ???

Well who knows what the definition of truth is in a situation like this.
Is a great big mess.

Is the will of the people reflected in the actions of the people they claim to represent?

This is a bare knockle fight....a real war...not the play fair no biting war.

It much easier to understand what the ones directly involved in the conflict about.

Is de behind the scenes power players yuh cah see what they doing and what they plan is.  Dat is the shady part that not as easy to follow.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 09:21:18 PM
US Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for Israel

http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/nyt7_22_06_8.htm

While They Give Food to Lebanon

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2285875,00.html
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 26, 2006, 09:25:55 PM
Why would Hezbollah want Israel to come into Lebanon?

I asking u.  Because everything they have done till now has forced the Israeli army to come back in.
So how many civilians have to die before Hezbollah decide we should give back the soldiers we kidnap?  Unless of course Hezbollah don't have much consideration for the civilian casualties.

Do u believe the Hezbollah fighters strategically hide amongst the civilian population and hence endanger the Lebanese people? 

Is recovering Hezbollah fighters worth the risk of another occupation?
Were those kidnappings done in the best interest of the Lebanese people?
If the Lebanese people had to vote whether they should have returned the soldiers when Israel started the assault what would they choose?  Who exactly is Hezbollah serving?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 09:35:45 PM
Why would Hezbollah want Israel to come into Lebanon?

I asking u.  Because everything they have done till now has forced the Israeli army to come back in.
So how many civilians have to die before Hezbollah decide we should give back the soldiers we kidnap?  Unless of course Hezbollah don't have much consideration for the civilian casualties.

Do u believe the Hezbollah fighters strategically hide amongst the civilian population and hence endanger the Lebanese people? 

Is recovering Hezbollah fighters worth the risk of another occupation?
Were those kidnappings done in the best interest of the Lebanese people?
If the Lebanese people had to vote whether they should have returned the soldiers when Israel started the assault what would they choose?  Who exactly is Hezbollah serving?

Why the phu*ue you bothering to ask me anything if you're already stuck in your own perceptions? Israel have been capturing and assassinating ranking member of the democratically elected Hamas and have been targeting high ranking officials in the Hezbollah organisation but you have the audacity to imply that they insitgated the Israeli assault and are responsible for the civilian deaths? Look, you wasting my time oui.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 26, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.
how u know hey were there carrying out na operation. u is a special forces soldier..u need to learn to take verythign u read with ah grain of salt unless.u have on flak jacket and carryign ah gahlil  or kalashnikov rifle. nuttin dat coming out fomr those sides is completely true.  dis and mis info.
civilians on both sides getting killed and dais ashamed. but is partly the lebonsee to blame. harbored hezbollah for so long.  and did nuttin. according to yuh president toppa...stae sponsered terrorism is war. and he said if u habouring terrorists u culpabale. look at arfgnaistan. member taliban is not al queda. they were jus haboring them. they were the ruling party albeit ah cruel and poor excuse for muslims.  so ..unless u willng to go to lebonnon yuhself.  dont eb to quick to criticize... u not livng on either side of de bacnal. dogma eh good for nuttin in these situations. jus serves to expose ignorance
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 26, 2006, 09:56:41 PM
Why would Hezbollah want Israel to come into Lebanon?

I asking u.  Because everything they have done till now has forced the Israeli army to come back in.
So how many civilians have to die before Hezbollah decide we should give back the soldiers we kidnap?  Unless of course Hezbollah don't have much consideration for the civilian casualties.

Do u believe the Hezbollah fighters strategically hide amongst the civilian population and hence endanger the Lebanese people? 

Is recovering Hezbollah fighters worth the risk of another occupation?
Were those kidnappings done in the best interest of the Lebanese people?
If the Lebanese people had to vote whether they should have returned the soldiers when Israel started the assault what would they choose?  Who exactly is Hezbollah serving?

Why the phu*ue you bothering to ask me anything if you're already stuck in your own perceptions? Israel have been capturing and assassinating ranking member of the democratically elected Hamas and have been targeting high ranking officials in the Hezbollah organisation but you have the audacity to imply that they insitgated the Israeli assault and are responsible for the civilian deaths? Look, you wasting my time oui.
wait wait wait..so u fel cause hamas democratically elected make them not terorist.. could i re call the 1931 elections in gemrnay. when ah certian nazi party was democraticlaly elected. and that was after the beer hall putsch when hitler tried a coup and was relased. hamas is a terorist organisation. so  if they were democartaically elected then u saying the citizend gulity and culpable for what befals them now? i mean the allies bomb the outta germnay and japan killing mor ein raids liek the fir ebombing of dresden and tokyo than th e2 atomic bombs combined.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 26, 2006, 09:57:16 PM
BTW ALLYUH EH SEE HOW THE THREAD PIC BACK UP SINCE TOPPA REACH BACK.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 10:01:25 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.
how u know hey were there carrying out na operation. u is a special forces soldier..u need to learn to take verythign u read with ah grain of salt unless.u have on flak jacket and carryign ah gahlil  or kalashnikov rifle. nuttin dat coming out fomr those sides is completely true.  dis and mis info.
civilians on both sides getting killed and dais ashamed. but is partly the lebonsee to blame. harbored hezbollah for so long.  and did nuttin. according to yuh president toppa...stae sponsered terrorism is war. and he said if u habouring terrorists u culpabale. look at arfgnaistan. member taliban is not al queda. they were jus haboring them. they were the ruling party albeit ah cruel and poor excuse for muslims.  so ..unless u willng to go to lebonnon yuhself.  dont eb to quick to criticize... u not livng on either side of de bacnal. dogma eh good for nuttin in these situations. jus serves to expose ignorance

What? I realise allyuh wouldn't be content until I say Hezbollah and Hamas are the ones who are at fault and Israel is struggling to survive but yuh know what, phu*ue allyuh. Until allyuh could prove to me that what I'm saying is baseless...that is actually put forth a cohesive and comprehensive counter-arguement that justifies Israel's assault, then I might begin to take allyuh seriously. Until then, stick to football discussions.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 26, 2006, 10:06:22 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.
how u know hey were there carrying out na operation. u is a special forces soldier..u need to learn to take verythign u read with ah grain of salt unless.u have on flak jacket and carryign ah gahlil  or kalashnikov rifle. nuttin dat coming out fomr those sides is completely true.  dis and mis info.
civilians on both sides getting killed and dais ashamed. but is partly the lebonsee to blame. harbored hezbollah for so long.  and did nuttin. according to yuh president toppa...stae sponsered terrorism is war. and he said if u habouring terrorists u culpabale. look at arfgnaistan. member taliban is not al queda. they were jus haboring them. they were the ruling party albeit ah cruel and poor excuse for muslims.  so ..unless u willng to go to lebonnon yuhself.  dont eb to quick to criticize... u not livng on either side of de bacnal. dogma eh good for nuttin in these situations. jus serves to expose ignorance

What? I realise allyuh wouldn't be content until I say Hezbollah and Hamas are the ones who are at fault and Israel is struggling to survive but yuh know what, phu*ue allyuh. Until allyuh could prove to me that what I'm saying is baseless...that is actually put forth a cohesive and comprehensive counter-arguement that justifies Israel's assault, then I might begin to take allyuh seriously. Until then, stick to football discussions.
no toppa ..u miss de pt...everyoen conceeds that both sides to blame u is de only one who for some reaosn is a die hard terrirots supporter. u scaring me.  innocent lebonese ppl dieing we all argee to dat
but u dont seem to think hezbollaha nd hama...to blame at all ...what rock u lving uynder?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 10:08:06 PM
Why would Hezbollah want Israel to come into Lebanon?

I asking u.  Because everything they have done till now has forced the Israeli army to come back in.
So how many civilians have to die before Hezbollah decide we should give back the soldiers we kidnap?  Unless of course Hezbollah don't have much consideration for the civilian casualties.

Do u believe the Hezbollah fighters strategically hide amongst the civilian population and hence endanger the Lebanese people? 

Is recovering Hezbollah fighters worth the risk of another occupation?
Were those kidnappings done in the best interest of the Lebanese people?
If the Lebanese people had to vote whether they should have returned the soldiers when Israel started the assault what would they choose?  Who exactly is Hezbollah serving?

Why the phu*ue you bothering to ask me anything if you're already stuck in your own perceptions? Israel have been capturing and assassinating ranking member of the democratically elected Hamas and have been targeting high ranking officials in the Hezbollah organisation but you have the audacity to imply that they insitgated the Israeli assault and are responsible for the civilian deaths? Look, you wasting my time oui.
wait wait wait..so u fel cause hamas democratically elected make them not terorist.. could i re call the 1931 elections in gemrnay. when ah certian nazi party was democraticlaly elected. and that was after the beer hall putsch when hitler tried a coup and was relased. hamas is a terorist organisation. so  if they were democartaically elected then u saying the citizend gulity and culpable for what befals them now? i mean the allies bomb the outta germnay and japan killing mor ein raids liek the fir ebombing of dresden and tokyo than th e2 atomic bombs combined.

Do you even know what the phu*ue terrorism means? If you knew the meaning of terrorism you would know that Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East. The main gripe the West has against the Middle East is that there is no "democracy". The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists and according to you therfore deserve to be slaughtered. You are such a hypocrite.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 26, 2006, 10:10:02 PM
Why would Hezbollah want Israel to come into Lebanon?

I asking u.  Because everything they have done till now has forced the Israeli army to come back in.
So how many civilians have to die before Hezbollah decide we should give back the soldiers we kidnap?  Unless of course Hezbollah don't have much consideration for the civilian casualties.

Do u believe the Hezbollah fighters strategically hide amongst the civilian population and hence endanger the Lebanese people? 

Is recovering Hezbollah fighters worth the risk of another occupation?
Were those kidnappings done in the best interest of the Lebanese people?
If the Lebanese people had to vote whether they should have returned the soldiers when Israel started the assault what would they choose?  Who exactly is Hezbollah serving?

Why the phu*ue you bothering to ask me anything if you're already stuck in your own perceptions? Israel have been capturing and assassinating ranking member of the democratically elected Hamas and have been targeting high ranking officials in the Hezbollah organisation but you have the audacity to imply that they insitgated the Israeli assault and are responsible for the civilian deaths? Look, you wasting my time oui.
wait wait wait..so u fel cause hamas democratically elected make them not terorist.. could i re call the 1931 elections in gemrnay. when ah certian nazi party was democraticlaly elected. and that was after the beer hall putsch when hitler tried a coup and was relased. hamas is a terorist organisation. so  if they were democartaically elected then u saying the citizend gulity and culpable for what befals them now? i mean the allies bomb the outta germnay and japan killing mor ein raids liek the fir ebombing of dresden and tokyo than th e2 atomic bombs combined.

Do you even know what the phu*ue terrorism means? If you knew the meaning of terrorism you would know that Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East. The main gripe the West has against the Middle East is that there is no "democracy". The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists and according to you therfore deserve to be slaughtered. You are such a hypocrite.
yes as i was saying...no one eh say israel innocent..so us ayign cause isreal bigger terorits makes them mor egulity....dat rock bigger than i thought...steups see u..i done... take win yes... u is what dem ole timme ppl use ot call ah hard head nigga chile, late for shcool pickey head...lord fadda u win toppa..u win
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 10:14:08 PM
BTW ALLYUH EH SEE HOW THE THREAD PIC BACK UP SINCE TOPPA REACH BACK.

Because people have a problem with persons who are critical thinkers and don't just regurgitate the pungent propoganda spewed on mainstream media in the U.S.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 26, 2006, 10:16:21 PM
And who are the ones suffering? Lebanese civilians; not Israelis, not soldiers of Israel and not Hezbollah.

The question is...who fault is that?

Some same Israel...others say Hezbollah..and still others will say the Lebanese government and by extension the same Lebanese civilians who getitng killed.

WHat is clear is that Hezbollah will be chased by Israel until they feel safe...the Lebanse army hasn't lifted a finger against Hezbollah...have they?  After all Hezbollah is firing rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

U feel we would let Abu fire rockets into Caracas and not expect Port of Spain to get bomb?

Hezbollah hiding amongst the civilian population so they will get killed.  What exactly isa the Lebanese government/army doing to protect its citizens?

There is no Lebanese army and a very new Gov't. Hezbollah only started firing rockets at Israel after Israel launched the attack on them. The Israeli soldiers were captured because they were on the Lebanese side of the border carrying out an operation.
how u know hey were there carrying out na operation. u is a special forces soldier..u need to learn to take verythign u read with ah grain of salt unless.u have on flak jacket and carryign ah gahlil  or kalashnikov rifle. nuttin dat coming out fomr those sides is completely true.  dis and mis info.
civilians on both sides getting killed and dais ashamed. but is partly the lebonsee to blame. harbored hezbollah for so long.  and did nuttin. according to yuh president toppa...stae sponsered terrorism is war. and he said if u habouring terrorists u culpabale. look at arfgnaistan. member taliban is not al queda. they were jus haboring them. they were the ruling party albeit ah cruel and poor excuse for muslims.  so ..unless u willng to go to lebonnon yuhself.  dont eb to quick to criticize... u not livng on either side of de bacnal. dogma eh good for nuttin in these situations. jus serves to expose ignorance

What? I realise allyuh wouldn't be content until I say Hezbollah and Hamas are the ones who are at fault and Israel is struggling to survive but yuh know what, phu*ue allyuh. Until allyuh could prove to me that what I'm saying is baseless...that is actually put forth a cohesive and comprehensive counter-arguement that justifies Israel's assault, then I might begin to take allyuh seriously. Until then, stick to football discussions.
no toppa ..u miss de pt...everyoen conceeds that both sides to blame u is de only one who for some reaosn is a die hard terrirots supporter. u scaring me.  innocent lebonese ppl dieing we all argee to dat
but u dont seem to think hezbollaha nd hama...to blame at all ...what rock u lving uynder?

If I were a die-hard terrorism supporter I would have been at the front of the Zionist band-wagon.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 27, 2006, 04:48:02 AM
Do you even know what the phu*ue terrorism means? If you knew the meaning of terrorism you would know that Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East. The main gripe the West has against the Middle East is that there is no "democracy". The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists and according to you therfore deserve to be slaughtered.
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 06:04:33 AM
Do you even know what the phu*ue terrorism means? If you knew the meaning of terrorism you would know that Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East. The main gripe the West has against the Middle East is that there is no "democracy". The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists and according to you therfore deserve to be slaughtered.
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
NO NO NO NO....all dis setta agreement ting and huggin and little house on de prarie ting,, is what go cause de thread to dead
de thread is bout war ...mek war!!!

TWENTY pages....!!!!....look nah ah have ah red fifty ridin on dis

ah go hadda drag dis ting accross de finish line mihself oui

Toppa yuh talkin ah setta shit!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 06:09:37 AM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Hezbollah instigated the recent action back on July 12.  Not withstanding your info that the kidnapping was done in Lebanon (an I am not sure of that - I doh trust your sorces).  The sources I read all indicate that iit was Hezbollah dat started this recent shit.  Israel was attempting to rescue a soldier thatwas kidnapped by Hamas a couple of weeks earlier.  Not 100% sure .. but didsunderscores a point that propoganda will be spewed by both sides to blame the other side.

the moral of the story ... yuh cannot accept the various reports at face value.  At the end of dey day, we doh really know what went on.  Only what we read in the biased press.

If you went on the link I posted at the bottom you would see that the story was carried by numerous news outlets around the world. The soldiers were captured in Lebanon.

I read your link a short while ago ... as I said before  I doh trust your sorces.  How can yuh get unbiased reports from sites with names like:

"Antiwar.com - your best source for antiwar news, viewpoints and activities"


or

"Whatreallyhappened.com - the history the government hopes you dont learn"

and while the story did quote AP (i would consider them to be objective), the article clearly said the Israeli Miltary did not confirm the report .. i.e. it is not necessarily fact.

And even if the israeli were inLebanon ... ask why?  because they were trying to rescue a another soldier.

But anyway ... the general public will neve get 100% accuracy because too many "nancy stories" floating around.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 27, 2006, 06:20:36 AM
Do you even know what the phu*ue terrorism means? If you knew the meaning of terrorism you would know that Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East. The main gripe the West has against the Middle East is that there is no "democracy". The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists and according to you therfore deserve to be slaughtered.
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
NO NO NO NO....all dis setta agreement ting and huggin and little house on de prarie ting,, is what go cause de thread to dead
de thread is bout war ...mek war!!!

TWENTY pages....!!!!....look nah ah have ah red fifty ridin on dis

ah go hadda drag dis ting accross de finish line mihself oui

Toppa yuh talkin ah setta shit!!!!!!!!
dutty yuh money safe. man u go win.  i will help u now.
she eh to bright u know dutty. dais y i stop"discussing" this with she.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 06:23:20 AM
BTW ALLYUH EH SEE HOW THE THREAD PIC BACK UP SINCE TOPPA REACH BACK.

Because people have a problem with persons who are critical thinkers and don't just regurgitate the pungent propoganda spewed on mainstream media in the U.S.

Toppa:

So is OK to regurgitate biased opinions from those sources you cite?

PS: Dutty - 18 pages an counting

Comments like "Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the middle east" suggest you arguing from yuh heart instead of yuh brain.

Well I would rather have dem as neighbours than men like Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who has open said that Israel must be destroyed and denies the Holocaust.  Or Syria which also support a war as long as it occurs outside their country, or the Saudis (who have their own setta problems) etc.

All I saying is dat yuh cyar say that only Israel to blame.  I acknowledge that Israel has resorted to nefarious means in the past and will again in the future.  But Hezbollah eh no boy scout and do not for a minute tink they goals are altruistic.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 27, 2006, 06:26:13 AM
BTW ALLYUH EH SEE HOW THE THREAD PIC BACK UP SINCE TOPPA REACH BACK.

Because people have a problem with persons who are critical thinkers and don't just regurgitate the pungent propoganda spewed on mainstream media in the U.S.

Toppa:

So is OK to regurgitate biased opinions from those sources you cite?

PS: Dutty - 18 pages an counting

Comments like "Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the middle east" suggest you arguing from yuh heart instead of yuh brain.

Well I would rather have dem as neighbours than men like Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who has open said that Israel must be destroyed and denies the Holocaust.  Or Syria which also support a war as long as it occurs outside their country, or the Saudis (who have their own setta problems) etc.

All I saying is dat yuh cyar say that only Israel to blame.  I acknowledge that Israel has resorted to nefarious means in the past and will again in the future.  But Hezbollah eh no boy scout and do not for a minute tink they goals are altruistic.

pecan dont use words liek altruistic..u will amke plp draw for dey dictionary. how u expect toppa to answer u and she eh knwo what u tlaking bout. is not everyone bright like u u know.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 06:27:09 AM
Pecan yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!!

Organic yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 06:31:06 AM
BTW ALLYUH EH SEE HOW THE THREAD PIC BACK UP SINCE TOPPA REACH BACK.

Because people have a problem with persons who are critical thinkers and don't just regurgitate the pungent propoganda spewed on mainstream media in the U.S.

Toppa:

So is OK to regurgitate biased opinions from those sources you cite?

PS: Dutty - 18 pages an counting

Comments like "Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the middle east" suggest you arguing from yuh heart instead of yuh brain.

Well I would rather have dem as neighbours than men like Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who has open said that Israel must be destroyed and denies the Holocaust.  Or Syria which also support a war as long as it occurs outside their country, or the Saudis (who have their own setta problems) etc.

All I saying is dat yuh cyar say that only Israel to blame.  I acknowledge that Israel has resorted to nefarious means in the past and will again in the future.  But Hezbollah eh no boy scout and do not for a minute tink they goals are altruistic.

pecan dont use words liek altruistic..u will amke plp draw for dey dictionary. how u expect toppa to answer u and she eh knwo what u tlaking bout. is not everyone bright like u u know.

how cum yuh eh buff me up for "nefarious"???
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 06:31:43 AM
Pecan yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!!

Organic yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!

steupsssss

i tink yuh like Toppa
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 27, 2006, 06:37:53 AM
ah woman tell me that ah to nefarious ah time and ha ahd looked it up..hmm how come no one ever tell em ah altruistic....damn...stueps
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 06:38:54 AM
ah woman tell me that ah to nefarious ah time and ha ahd looked it up..hmm how come no one ever tell em ah altruistic....damn...stueps

anybody ever tell yuh dat yuh slydexic too?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 06:39:46 AM
Pecan yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!!

Organic yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!

steupsssss

i tink yuh like Toppa

nice lookin woman

but too young...AND talkin ah setta shyte!!...like de RES AH ALLYUH
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 27, 2006, 06:48:08 AM
ah woman tell me that ah to nefarious ah time and ha ahd looked it up..hmm how come no one ever tell em ah altruistic....damn...stueps

anybody ever tell yuh dat yuh slydexic too?
yes i thought it wa some new word for sexy..but a last no... :'(
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 06:51:21 AM
Pecan yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!!

Organic yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!

steupsssss

i tink yuh like Toppa

nice lookin woman

but too young...AND talkin ah setta shyte!!...like de RES AH ALLYUH

yeah ... but "no shyte" = 18 pages or less
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 27, 2006, 07:34:00 AM
Boy toppa i take a break from this thread and just happen to comme back and see you talking chupid mindless tata. I give you credit though, yer 18 and at least have an opinion but lemme give yer a suggestion when yer arguing a point for discussion get yer facts straight.As a poster said you arguing from emotion not facts [all dem chupid websites you reading take propaganda to a new level. BTW they have websites on the other end as well saying Israel and U.S. can do no wrong, dem is chupid site too].  If yer using emotion then no one can discuss wit u only argue. Yer 18 right? So is summer time yer should go outside and play wit de rest of de children in de playground and leave big people to talk. I tink I hear de ice cream truck?? RUn girl run!!! I done now.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: fishs on July 27, 2006, 07:56:08 AM
Do you even know what the phu*ue terrorism means? If you knew the meaning of terrorism you would know that Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the Middle East. The main gripe the West has against the Middle East is that there is no "democracy". The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists and according to you therfore deserve to be slaughtered.
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
NO NO NO NO....all dis setta agreement ting and huggin and little house on de prarie ting,, is what go cause de thread to dead
de thread is bout war ...mek war!!!

TWENTY pages....!!!!....look nah ah have ah red fifty ridin on dis

ah go hadda drag dis ting accross de finish line mihself oui

Toppa yuh talkin ah setta shit!!!!!!!!

Buh Dutty yuh ent easy boy, yuh betting on misery being perpetuated fuh 20 pgs ?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 08:10:31 AM
while all did happening in Lebanon .. we mus not forget Bagdad.

I jus a heard a radio report dat about 100 civillian a day are being killed in Iraq. (but doh quote me)

De blasted USA again ... supporitng all dem terrorists.

Now Al-Qaida getting involved.


By WILLA THAYER, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 27, 6:22 AM ET

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader warned in a new taped message Thursday the terrorist group would not stand idly by while "these (Israeli) shells burn our brothers" in Lebanon and Gaza.

In the message broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, Ayman al-Zawahri, second in command to Osama bin Laden, said that al-Qaida now saw "all the world as a battlefield open in front of us."
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 27, 2006, 08:19:09 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 08:21:49 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(

very appropraite comments for your 500th post :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 08:22:22 AM
Dutty - look .... page 19
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: doc on July 27, 2006, 08:25:57 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(
Question: If half the things we're told turn out to be lies, how do you know the truth? ??? The truth is the biggest casualty here, so no just solution would emerge. >:(
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 08:26:23 AM
Boy toppa i take a break from this thread and just happen to comme back and see you talking chupid mindless tata. I give you credit though, yer 18 and at least have an opinion but lemme give yer a suggestion when yer arguing a point for discussion get yer facts straight.As a poster said you arguing from emotion not facts [all dem chupid websites you reading take propaganda to a new level. BTW they have websites on the other end as well saying Israel and U.S. can do no wrong, dem is chupid site too].  If yer using emotion then no one can discuss wit u only argue. Yer 18 right? So is summer time yer should go outside and play wit de rest of de children in de playground and leave big people to talk. I tink I hear de ice cream truck?? RUn girl run!!! I done now.

JabJab..yuh go get ah red card for condescension...........and yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!


come to think of it,,dat might work out well,,,,yuh berating will vex she and sun in arizona hot like hell
Pure vexation..

carry on brudder carry on



Fishs is over 60 years of misery goin on in dat region dey,,, only places GE & lockheed-martin profitin

How yuh go deny ah man ah lil profit from ah mere 20 pages......ah hadda subsidize de popcorn yuh know,,,have ah heart nah




LETS GO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :challenge: :duel: :timeout:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 08:34:25 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(

at de risk of actually putting in my first opinion...she is right

Yes hamas has a militant terrorist arm...however the reality dictates that they were democratically elected.(with independent un observers)..which was the point of this whole domino, nationa building scenario in the first place

Most governments recognized  their legitimacy...except for bim and bam

Musharraf take pakistan in a non democratic coup....he is still recognized as the legit leader by bim and bam...so dem does well choose if dey like yuh or not...despite yuh past

"dem fellahs does practice hypocrisy..but dis ting headin to page twenty"--- aii ya yaai  EXTEMPO in yuh wire


LETS GO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 08:34:51 AM
Dutty - look .... page 19


 :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 27, 2006, 08:42:27 AM
Boy toppa i take a break from this thread and just happen to comme back and see you talking chupid mindless tata. I give you credit though, yer 18 and at least have an opinion but lemme give yer a suggestion when yer arguing a point for discussion get yer facts straight.As a poster said you arguing from emotion not facts [all dem chupid websites you reading take propaganda to a new level. BTW they have websites on the other end as well saying Israel and U.S. can do no wrong, dem is chupid site too].  If yer using emotion then no one can discuss wit u only argue. Yer 18 right? So is summer time yer should go outside and play wit de rest of de children in de playground and leave big people to talk. I tink I hear de ice cream truck?? RUn girl run!!! I done now.

JabJab..yuh go get ah red card for condescension...........and yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!


come to think of it,,dat might work out well,,,,yuh berating will vex she and sun in arizona hot like hell
Pure vexation..

carry on brudder carry on



Fishs is over 60 years of misery goin on in dat region dey,,, only places GE & lockheed-martin profitin

How yuh go deny ah man ah lil profit from ah mere 20 pages......ah hadda subsidize de popcorn yuh know,,,have ah heart nah




LETS GO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :challenge: :duel: :timeout:

Well I hope ah get send off de field, but ah so dotish ah keeping getting drag back into conversation wit she [plenty other posters learn they lesson but my head hard sometimes]. Ay you shoould be glad. Ah helpin you make de 20  pages. ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 09:00:28 AM
Toppa insists that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Lebanon on July 12th.

Yet Reuters still saying that ih happened in Israel.  Here is a report from 10:00 am July 27.  Also some stats on causities  etc.  The following are excerpts only.


Bottom line: ppl dying all over de place


BEIRUT (Reuters) -: Israel pummeled south Lebanon with air and artillery strikes on Thursday, but opted against launching a major invasion in pursuit of Hizbollah guerrillas.

.... Israeli forces have been trying to push Hizbollah back from the border and end rocket attacks since the Shi'ite group captured two soldiers in a raid on July 12, but the army is wary of getting bogged down by guerrilla warfare in south Lebanon.

At least 434 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in Lebanon, where a humanitarian crisis has exploded. Fifty-one Israelis, including 18 civilians, have been killed.

Hizbollah has fired more than 1,400 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted following a cross-border raid into Israel by the Shi'ite militia on July 12, in which two soldiers were abducted.

Israeli attacks killed three people, including a 75-year-old woman, in Gaza on Thursday, medics said, a day after clashes in which 24 Palestinians died. Israel has killed 146 Gazans in a month-long offensive to recover a soldier seized by militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060727/ts_nm/mideast_dc_576
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Weh-it-is on July 27, 2006, 09:36:22 AM
And when the LORD your God brings you [Israel] into the land which he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give you, with great and goodly cities, which you did not build, and houses full of all good things, which you did not fill, and cisterns hewn out, which you did not hew, and vineyards and olive trees, which you did not plant, and when you eat and are full, then take heed lest you forget the LORD, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him, and swear by his name. You shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples who are round about you; for the LORD your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; lest the anger of the LORD your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth." (Deuteronomy 6:4,5 10-15)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 27, 2006, 10:36:37 AM
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
NO NO NO NO....all dis setta agreement ting and huggin and little house on de prarie ting,, is what go cause de thread to dead
de thread is bout war ...mek war!!!

TWENTY pages....!!!!....look nah ah have ah red fifty ridin on dis

ah go hadda drag dis ting accross de finish line mihself oui

Toppa yuh talkin ah setta shit!!!!!!!!
Quote

Dutty yuh ent easy yuh know  ;D
like you is de CIA..yuh keep spreading chain up talk lol
now yuh tell Organic and Pecan they talking shit too..well tell Jab Jab that too LOL
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on July 27, 2006, 10:42:02 AM

If I was FireBrand I would lock this topic and ask for half of that $50 yuh getting   ;D
Title: Re: ESCAPE FROM LEBANON
Post by: cocoapanyol on July 27, 2006, 10:47:40 AM
I have two views on this, with no one more right than the other.

First you have the Israelis, or the "white Jews" as some call them. First off, they are not Israelis, as in the people in the bible. They are european people who practice the jewish religion, and were "given" a country by the brits and allieds after world war 2, in light of their presecution by the Nazis.

Because of this, you can kind of understand the arab views on them. They are not one of us, never tried to blend in or make friends. Just come in, and displace people who were living in the state of Israel (land anyway) for hundreds of years, all because they had the backing of the americans and brits, etc.

Then add to that the very aggressive and often violent Israeli reaction to every thing done to them. If you had neighbours, who for every inch, they take a yard, would you be able to live in peace with them? The Israelis are just as aggressive and warmongering as their enemies. Their access to advanced weaponry only add to the problem. It's like rocks and grenades versus fighter jets and guided missiles.

Now ask yourself this: if this were any other country, especially a non-first world country, who invaded and started bombing up their neighbours, wouldn't america and britain and NATO have already stepped by now and dealt with it? Makes one wonder. Because Iraq invaded Kuwait, america went to war. Yet the Israelis constantly bomb and invade and occupy their neighbours at will, and no one says boo.

Then on the other hand you have the Palestinians/Lebanese or active terrorist networks. Everybody talks about the suicide bombings and how bad they are to be waging this war on Israel.

Let me ask you this: if your country, or what has been your people's home for hundreds of years, is suddenly occupied by some foreigners, who then make you a second (or even third) class citizen in your own land, make it almost impossible for you to get a good paying job, and then displace you to where ever they feel, bomb you left and right for every protest or act of defiance, what would you do? Would you fight back?

How would you fight back? You don't have any great supply of money to buy weapons. There is an economic embargo on you and your people, because everyone it seems is supporting your occupier in their bid to rid you from the land. What are your options of resistance?

It is a very sad situation, created by the allieds who put europeans in a land that they had no rights too, and displaced a people who are from a culture where they never give up and will fight to the death.

Result? This is never going to stop. The war will rage on. And it will escalate, because the arab community will not stand for seeing their brethren victimized by Israel.

I cannot say one side is right. They are both victims, they are both committing unforgiveable violence because they believe they are right.

Lord help us.

question.

do you hate everyone that is white, everyone that is British, or only white British people?


From her response, you got that she hated white people?  I didn't get that but maybe I read it wrong.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 11:17:41 AM

If I was FireBrand I would lock this topic and ask for half of that $50 yuh getting   ;D
hahahaaaaa  :rotfl: :rotfl:...you is ah WICKED beyotch

Look nah firebrand abandon de thread from 1st post...we runnin dis ting...if he want tuh come back and take over Britan hadda push we aside and gih de man back he thread....and is now yuh go see HAM in he ASS


ah like how allyuh movin..cocopanyol now questionin ting from last month?  :rotfl:

LETS GO PEOPLE!!!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 27, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
NO NO NO NO....all dis setta agreement ting and huggin and little house on de prarie ting,, is what go cause de thread to dead
de thread is bout war ...mek war!!!

TWENTY pages....!!!!....look nah ah have ah red fifty ridin on dis

ah go hadda drag dis ting accross de finish line mihself oui

Toppa yuh talkin ah setta shit!!!!!!!!
Quote

Dutty yuh ent easy yuh know  ;D
like you is de CIA..yuh keep spreading chain up talk lol
now yuh tell Organic and Pecan they talking shit too..well tell Jab Jab that too LOL

Ah done get dat already. He is a set up man oui!!!

JabJab..yuh go get ah red card for condescension...........and yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!

And fer dat. Posters doh post no more we cyah let Dutty make de 20 pages!!!!. Toppa please take a break!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 11:35:20 AM
ah have to agree with yuh there Toppa..that is how i see it also
NO NO NO NO....all dis setta agreement ting and huggin and little house on de prarie ting,, is what go cause de thread to dead
de thread is bout war ...mek war!!!

TWENTY pages....!!!!....look nah ah have ah red fifty ridin on dis

ah go hadda drag dis ting accross de finish line mihself oui

Toppa yuh talkin ah setta shit!!!!!!!!
Quote

Dutty yuh ent easy yuh know  ;D
like you is de CIA..yuh keep spreading chain up talk lol
now yuh tell Organic and Pecan they talking shit too..well tell Jab Jab that too LOL

Ah done get dat already. He is a set up man oui!!!

JabJab..yuh go get ah red card for condescension...........and yuh talkin ah setta shyte!!!!

And fer dat. Posters doh post no more we cyah let Dutty make de 20 pages!!!!. Toppa please take a break!!


JabJab, two more an yuh go hit the magic 100 posts.  Jus tink, yuh could do it jus for Dutty's sake.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 11:55:47 AM
Here is a new one:

PETA - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals are admonishing the US and Canadian government for leaving animals behind during th evacuation.

U.S. Abandons Animals in Lebanon Chaos


Rescuing Katrina's Forgotten Victims Images of kittens sniffing amid rubble. Dogs seen running frantically down the streets. Distraught Americans told that they must leave their animal companions behind to starve and die in the destruction.

These scenes—reminiscent of cruel and illegal decisions made in the wake of Hurricane Katrina—are reality once more. While the French government has made provisions for animal evacuations, the U.S. is doing the opposite. U.S. officials evacuating citizens from Lebanon have failed to heed the lesson of the Gulf Coast and are refusing Americans' attempts to evacuate with their animal companions.

I love animals but ........ dis is nonsense.

Toppa ... wat yuh tink????
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 12:59:53 PM
What jurisdiction does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers in Lebanese territory? What jurisdiction does Israel have to hold elected members of the Palestinian Gov't and thousands or other Palestinians captive? What authority do they have to hold Hezbollah people captive and carry out extra-judicial assasinations?

I ask u about Hezbollah.
Answer the question.
What jurisdiction or authority do they have?



You trying to put the cart before the donkey. Everything Hezbollah has done thus far has been retaliatory. Had the Israeli soldiers not been trying to carry out an operation in Lebanon, they would not have been captured by Hezbollah. Had Israel agreed to the prisoner exchange and not attacked Lebanon, rockets would not have been firing into Israel.

Hezbollah instigated the recent action back on July 12.  Not withstanding your info that the kidnapping was done in Lebanon (an I am not sure of that - I doh trust your sorces).  The sources I read all indicate that iit was Hezbollah dat started this recent shit.  Israel was attempting to rescue a soldier thatwas kidnapped by Hamas a couple of weeks earlier.  Not 100% sure .. but didsunderscores a point that propoganda will be spewed by both sides to blame the other side.

the moral of the story ... yuh cannot accept the various reports at face value.  At the end of dey day, we doh really know what went on.  Only what we read in the biased press.

If you went on the link I posted at the bottom you would see that the story was carried by numerous news outlets around the world. The soldiers were captured in Lebanon.

I read your link a short while ago ... as I said before  I doh trust your sorces.  How can yuh get unbiased reports from sites with names like:

"Antiwar.com - your best source for antiwar news, viewpoints and activities"


or

"Whatreallyhappened.com - the history the government hopes you dont learn"

and while the story did quote AP (i would consider them to be objective), the article clearly said the Israeli Miltary did not confirm the report .. i.e. it is not necessarily fact.

And even if the israeli were inLebanon ... ask why?  because they were trying to rescue a another soldier.

But anyway ... the general public will neve get 100% accuracy because too many "nancy stories" floating around.

M'boy, if you went on Anti-war.com you would have seen that every excerpt they gave was quoted directly from news reports all around the world. They even give the links to those news reports so you could verify for yourself. Okay? It was nothing they made up.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 01:19:43 PM
Toppa insists that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Lebanon on July 12th.

Yet Reuters still saying that ih happened in Israel.  Here is a report from 10:00 am July 27.  Also some stats on causities  etc.  The following are excerpts only.


Bottom line: ppl dying all over de place


BEIRUT (Reuters) -: Israel pummeled south Lebanon with air and artillery strikes on Thursday, but opted against launching a major invasion in pursuit of Hizbollah guerrillas.

.... Israeli forces have been trying to push Hizbollah back from the border and end rocket attacks since the Shi'ite group captured two soldiers in a raid on July 12, but the army is wary of getting bogged down by guerrilla warfare in south Lebanon.

At least 434 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in Lebanon, where a humanitarian crisis has exploded. Fifty-one Israelis, including 18 civilians, have been killed.

Hizbollah has fired more than 1,400 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted following a cross-border raid into Israel by the Shi'ite militia on July 12, in which two soldiers were abducted.

Israeli attacks killed three people, including a 75-year-old woman, in Gaza on Thursday, medics said, a day after clashes in which 24 Palestinians died. Israel has killed 146 Gazans in a month-long offensive to recover a soldier seized by militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060727/ts_nm/mideast_dc_576

Brainiac, the article you quoted was published on the 27th July. Here are articles that came out soon after the captures were made.  ::)

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html (Forbes)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html (Hindustan Times)

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348 (Bahrain News Agency)

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html (France yahoo)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html (English translation to what was reported on France Yahoo)

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers2.html (AFP)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113428.htm (China)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113491.htm (Israel confirmed the capture)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html (Asia Times)

http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html (How good is your Frecnh?)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 01:28:46 PM
Toppa insists that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Lebanon on July 12th.

Yet Reuters still saying that ih happened in Israel.  Here is a report from 10:00 am July 27.  Also some stats on causities  etc.  The following are excerpts only.


Bottom line: ppl dying all over de place


BEIRUT (Reuters) -: Israel pummeled south Lebanon with air and artillery strikes on Thursday, but opted against launching a major invasion in pursuit of Hizbollah guerrillas.

.... Israeli forces have been trying to push Hizbollah back from the border and end rocket attacks since the Shi'ite group captured two soldiers in a raid on July 12, but the army is wary of getting bogged down by guerrilla warfare in south Lebanon.

At least 434 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in Lebanon, where a humanitarian crisis has exploded. Fifty-one Israelis, including 18 civilians, have been killed.

Hizbollah has fired more than 1,400 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted following a cross-border raid into Israel by the Shi'ite militia on July 12, in which two soldiers were abducted.

Israeli attacks killed three people, including a 75-year-old woman, in Gaza on Thursday, medics said, a day after clashes in which 24 Palestinians died. Israel has killed 146 Gazans in a month-long offensive to recover a soldier seized by militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060727/ts_nm/mideast_dc_576

Brainiac, the article you quoted was published on the 27th July. Here are articles that came out soon after the captures were made.  ::)

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html (Forbes)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html (Hindustan Times)

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348 (Bahrain News Agency)

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html (France yahoo)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html (English translation to what was reported on France Yahoo)

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers2.html (AFP)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113428.htm (China)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113491.htm (Israel confirmed the capture)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html (Asia Times)



Dutty .. wat yuh tink?   20 pages?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 01:32:02 PM


Dutty .. wat yuh tink?   20 pages?

What? Nothing else to say?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 01:38:46 PM
Toppa insists that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Lebanon on July 12th.

Yet Reuters still saying that ih happened in Israel.  Here is a report from 10:00 am July 27.  Also some stats on causities  etc.  The following are excerpts only.


Bottom line: ppl dying all over de place


BEIRUT (Reuters) -: Israel pummeled south Lebanon with air and artillery strikes on Thursday, but opted against launching a major invasion in pursuit of Hizbollah guerrillas.

.... Israeli forces have been trying to push Hizbollah back from the border and end rocket attacks since the Shi'ite group captured two soldiers in a raid on July 12, but the army is wary of getting bogged down by guerrilla warfare in south Lebanon.

At least 434 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in Lebanon, where a humanitarian crisis has exploded. Fifty-one Israelis, including 18 civilians, have been killed.

Hizbollah has fired more than 1,400 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted following a cross-border raid into Israel by the Shi'ite militia on July 12, in which two soldiers were abducted.

Israeli attacks killed three people, including a 75-year-old woman, in Gaza on Thursday, medics said, a day after clashes in which 24 Palestinians died. Israel has killed 146 Gazans in a month-long offensive to recover a soldier seized by militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060727/ts_nm/mideast_dc_576

Brainiac, the article you quoted was published on the 27th July. Here are articles that came out soon after the captures were made.  ::)

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html (Forbes)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html (Hindustan Times)

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348 (Bahrain News Agency)

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html (France yahoo)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html (English translation to what was reported on France Yahoo)

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers2.html (AFP)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113428.htm (China)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113491.htm (Israel confirmed the capture)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html (Asia Times)

http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html (How good is your Frecnh?)

Toppa .. yuh still miss meh point and meh scarcasm. :P

Yuh CANNOT categorically accuse Israel of being the only instigator in this conflict. and hold up Hezbolla as beyond reproach.  The reports in the world media cannot be taken at face value.  Yuh have to throw in some grains of salt in any report dat yuh read (especially from sites wid names like "antiwar.com"  -    :thinking: :thinking:hmm ah wonder wat dey point of view is????).

While my general sentiment is with the Israelis at this moment, ah not foolish enuf to tink dat deay are all angel.

An while your sentiments are with Hezbollah right now, ah jus hope yuh eh foolish enug to tink det are angels too.  But den again ,who knows??

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 01:39:15 PM


Dutty .. wat yuh tink?   20 pages?

What? Nothing else to say?

see above
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 01:48:09 PM
Toppa insists that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Lebanon on July 12th.

Yet Reuters still saying that ih happened in Israel.  Here is a report from 10:00 am July 27.  Also some stats on causities  etc.  The following are excerpts only.


Bottom line: ppl dying all over de place


BEIRUT (Reuters) -: Israel pummeled south Lebanon with air and artillery strikes on Thursday, but opted against launching a major invasion in pursuit of Hizbollah guerrillas.

.... Israeli forces have been trying to push Hizbollah back from the border and end rocket attacks since the Shi'ite group captured two soldiers in a raid on July 12, but the army is wary of getting bogged down by guerrilla warfare in south Lebanon.

At least 434 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in Lebanon, where a humanitarian crisis has exploded. Fifty-one Israelis, including 18 civilians, have been killed.

Hizbollah has fired more than 1,400 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted following a cross-border raid into Israel by the Shi'ite militia on July 12, in which two soldiers were abducted.

Israeli attacks killed three people, including a 75-year-old woman, in Gaza on Thursday, medics said, a day after clashes in which 24 Palestinians died. Israel has killed 146 Gazans in a month-long offensive to recover a soldier seized by militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060727/ts_nm/mideast_dc_576

Brainiac, the article you quoted was published on the 27th July. Here are articles that came out soon after the captures were made.  ::)

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html (Forbes)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html (Hindustan Times)

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348 (Bahrain News Agency)

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html (France yahoo)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html (English translation to what was reported on France Yahoo)

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers2.html (AFP)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113428.htm (China)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113491.htm (Israel confirmed the capture)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html (Asia Times)

http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html (How good is your Frecnh?)

Toppa .. yuh still miss meh point and meh scarcasm. :P

Yuh CANNOT categorically accuse Israel of being the only instigator in this conflict. and hold up Hezbolla as beyond reproach.  The reports in the world media cannot be taken at face value.  Yuh have to throw in some grains of salt in any report dat yuh read (especially from sites wid names like "antiwar.com"  -    :thinking: :thinking:hmm ah wonder wat dey point of view is????).

While my general sentiment is with the Israelis at this moment, ah not foolish enuf to tink dat deay are all angel.

An while your sentiments are with Hezbollah right now, ah jus hope yuh eh foolish enug to tink det are angels too.  But den again ,who knows??



Ooooh sarcasm was it? It must have been the same "curious sarcasm" Jab Jab is infamous for. As I have just shown you, numerous news agents around the world confirmed that the two soldiers were captured in Lebanon, meaning...that the Israeli soldiers were, not according to me, but according to the AFP and a French News Site..."As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners." ( I already gave you the links to these two stories)

Therefore, the entire pretext of this current assault on Lebanon and Palestine is false. And you are wrong about my "sentiments being with Hezbollah" I just know right from wrong and when I see something that is injust I speak out about it. I guess it's the Sociologist in me. BTW 23 people were just killed in the Gaza strip.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 27, 2006, 02:47:28 PM
250 hezbollah fighters killed to date according to de news. 250 less vermin to deal wit. Good Riddance!!!!

Those are civilians idiot.

How do u tell the difference between a civilian and a fighter?
Hezbollah fighters don't wear uniforms. (correct me if I am wrong)


Suppose they might just be called fighters when they are killed in combat....then when their base gets bombed or ambushed they are claimed as civilian casualties? 

I really haven't read up much on it last few days so feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have.  It seems like Hezbollah is endangering the Lebanese people just as much as the Israeli army.  What jurisdiction or authority does Hezbollah have to capture Israeli soldiers who are in Lebanese territory?

The Lebanese people have more power to confront Hezbollah than Israel.....though more civil war may leave the country weakened for many years.  As long as there are people in Lebanon supporting Guerilla warfare they will suffer   :-[

just reading that southern lebanon is not in control by the lebanese armed forces (source wikipedia). looks like they have some agreement that hezbollah handles the security in the southern region. not sure if the hezbollah fighters wear uniforms - i have seen pictures showing a headband with green writing. but probably most anyone fitting the description of "security" in southern lebanon is affiliated with hezbollah.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 27, 2006, 02:55:14 PM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(

at de risk of actually putting in my first opinion...she is right

Yes hamas has a militant terrorist arm...however the reality dictates that they were democratically elected.(with independent un observers)..which was the point of this whole domino, nationa building scenario in the first place

Most governments recognized  their legitimacy...except for bim and bam

Musharraf take pakistan in a non democratic coup....he is still recognized as the legit leader by bim and bam...so dem does well choose if dey like yuh or not...despite yuh past

"dem fellahs does practice hypocrisy..but dis ting headin to page twenty"--- aii ya yaai  EXTEMPO in yuh wire


LETS GO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, good point. pakistan of all the us allies has a non democractic leader. i think this is the case with saudi arabia as well - when the usa were heavy into afghanistan and got blanked by turkey to land their planes at the base they have in diyarbakir, all of a sudden this dictator from uzbekistan named karimov because an ally. the usa only recognize democracy when it is convenient.

however, hamas getting elected to form the govt would be like the sinn fein/ira getting elected to form the government in northern ireland. hamas was a terrorist organization before the election and that's what made them terrorist - not anything the usa is saying.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 03:03:23 PM
Definitions of Terrorism on the Web:

is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/alqaeda/glossary.html

The FBI defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp

The systematic use of violence to achieve political ends is not new – among many other examples, it featured during The Troubles in Ireland before its independence in 1922. In recent decades, it has become a common tactic among a wide variety of groups, from independence movements to the secret services of various countries. ...
www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/browse/glossary.html

use of terror, especially the systematic use of terror by the government or other authority against particular persons or groups; a method of opposing a government internally or externally through the use of terror
www.imuna.org/c2c/app_a.html

Any act including, but not limited to, the use of force or violence and/or threat thereof of any person or group(s) of persons whether acting alone or on behalf of, or in connection with, any organisation(s) or government(s) committed for political, religions, ideological or similar purposes, including the intention to influence any government and/or to put the public or any section of the public in fear.
www.ecis.org/finance/paisdefin.htm

"Systematic use of terror, manifesting itself in violence and intimidation. Terrorism has been used by groups wishing to coerce a govt in order to achieve political or other objectives, and also by dictatorships or other autocratic governments in order to overcome opposition to their policies." [BFH] Often anti-terrorist mercenaries will only do a job if they have a carte blanche to do whatever they want. ...
www.embassy.org.nz/encycl/t3encyc.htm

Acts of murder and destruction deliberately directed against civilians or military in non-military situations.
www.jafi.org.il/education/hasbara/glossary.html

The systematic use of terror, the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear for bringing about political change
wps.prenhall.com/chet_langan_preparing_1/0,9681,1613226-content,00.html

a violent act in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, which is intended to intimidate or influence the policy of a government.
www.njsbf.com/njsbf/student/respect/spring02-glossary.cfm

Terrorist activities are illegal and involve the use of coercion including the use of force, intended to intimidate or coerce, and committed in support of political or social objectives.
www.austin.cc.tx.us/audit/Glossary/LetterT.htm

a psychological strategy of war for gaining political ends by deliberately creating a well-founded climate of fear among the civilian popuation. Such a strategy may be used by an occupying army on the occupied population. Many terrorist acts, especially against an occupying military or against illegal occupants are acts of war or resistance, and not terrorism.
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Terrorism is a controversial and subjective term with multiple definitions. One definition means a violent action targetting civilians exclusively. Another definition is the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


So let us not be too narrow-minded in who we brand terrorists and who we don't.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 27, 2006, 03:13:54 PM
Definitions of Terrorism on the Web:

is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/alqaeda/glossary.html

The FBI defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp

The systematic use of violence to achieve political ends is not new – among many other examples, it featured during The Troubles in Ireland before its independence in 1922. In recent decades, it has become a common tactic among a wide variety of groups, from independence movements to the secret services of various countries. ...
www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/browse/glossary.html

use of terror, especially the systematic use of terror by the government or other authority against particular persons or groups; a method of opposing a government internally or externally through the use of terror
www.imuna.org/c2c/app_a.html

Any act including, but not limited to, the use of force or violence and/or threat thereof of any person or group(s) of persons whether acting alone or on behalf of, or in connection with, any organisation(s) or government(s) committed for political, religions, ideological or similar purposes, including the intention to influence any government and/or to put the public or any section of the public in fear.
www.ecis.org/finance/paisdefin.htm

"Systematic use of terror, manifesting itself in violence and intimidation. Terrorism has been used by groups wishing to coerce a govt in order to achieve political or other objectives, and also by dictatorships or other autocratic governments in order to overcome opposition to their policies." [BFH] Often anti-terrorist mercenaries will only do a job if they have a carte blanche to do whatever they want. ...
www.embassy.org.nz/encycl/t3encyc.htm

Acts of murder and destruction deliberately directed against civilians or military in non-military situations.
www.jafi.org.il/education/hasbara/glossary.html

The systematic use of terror, the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear for bringing about political change
wps.prenhall.com/chet_langan_preparing_1/0,9681,1613226-content,00.html

a violent act in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, which is intended to intimidate or influence the policy of a government.
www.njsbf.com/njsbf/student/respect/spring02-glossary.cfm

Terrorist activities are illegal and involve the use of coercion including the use of force, intended to intimidate or coerce, and committed in support of political or social objectives.
www.austin.cc.tx.us/audit/Glossary/LetterT.htm

a psychological strategy of war for gaining political ends by deliberately creating a well-founded climate of fear among the civilian popuation. Such a strategy may be used by an occupying army on the occupied population. Many terrorist acts, especially against an occupying military or against illegal occupants are acts of war or resistance, and not terrorism.
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Terrorism is a controversial and subjective term with multiple definitions. One definition means a violent action targetting civilians exclusively. Another definition is the use or threatened use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, economic, religious, or ideological goal. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


So let us not be too narrow-minded in who we brand terrorists and who we don't.
well according to this..even flecking Santa Claus could be ah terrorist  ;D
trying to make children behave themselves with false promises of presents is pure propaganda lol
but wait ah go have to take that back..if they find out he is ah terrorist and decide to invade the North pole..with all that bombing..the ice go start to melt and flood everywhere.
geez and i thought global warming was only caused by pollution  ::) lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 03:20:02 PM


So let us not be too narrow-minded in who we brand terrorists and who we don't.
well according to this..even flecking Santa Claus could be ah terrorist  ;D
trying to make children behave themselves with false promises of presents is pure propaganda lol
but wait ah go have to take that back..if they find out he is ah terrorist and decide to invade the North pole..with all that bombing..the ice go start to melt and flood everywhere.
geez and i thought global warming was only caused by pollution  ::) lol
Quote

 :D You'se ah clown oui. LoL
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 27, 2006, 03:24:19 PM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(
Question: If half the things we're told turn out to be lies, how do you know the truth? ??? The truth is the biggest casualty here, so no just solution would emerge. >:(

interesting talk. if by truth you mean something like a history then we are in some problems like you say. there are many histories and they each have a perspective. i remember seeing a talk show about the israeli-palestinian conflict a few years ago - they had the sides represented and they could both agree that their discourses of the events of the last 40 or 50 years or so had completely diverged. they could not agree on a common set of facts.

this situation of having a body of inconsistent and contradicting facts as the corpus from which to draw conclusions means being more rigourous about making claims. with a consistent set of facts, the proof of something is derived directly from the facts. with an inconsistent set of facts, we need not just a positive set of facts from which a conclusion can be drawn but the much more difficult task of proving that there isn't a fact that contradicts any of the facts we are using in the proof. this last point is very difficult but it is crucial. i don't think there is enough to draw firm conclusions in real time, so journalists are in a tough situation. even now, we hear stories from the big media (new york times, cnn, fox, etc.) when their controls break down, (e.g. they are unable to get an independent corroborating viewpoint) and they have to print retractions. but often the damage is done. there is more hope for historians who have more time to vet their information and sources. all of this i think contributes to making truth a casualty.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 03:51:30 PM
Toppa insists that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped in Lebanon on July 12th.

Yet Reuters still saying that it happened in Israel.  Here is a report from 10:00 am July 27.  Also some stats on causalities  etc.  The following are excerpts only.


Bottom line: ppl dying all over de place


BEIRUT (Reuters) -: Israel pummeled south Lebanon with air and artillery strikes on Thursday, but opted against launching a major invasion in pursuit of Hizbollah guerrillas.

.... Israeli forces have been trying to push Hizbollah back from the border and end rocket attacks since the Shi'ite group captured two soldiers in a raid on July 12, but the army is wary of getting bogged down by guerrilla warfare in south Lebanon.

At least 434 people, most of them civilians, have been killed in Lebanon, where a humanitarian crisis has exploded. Fifty-one Israelis, including 18 civilians, have been killed.

Hizbollah has fired more than 1,400 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted following a cross-border raid into Israel by the Shi'ite militia on July 12, in which two soldiers were abducted.

Israeli attacks killed three people, including a 75-year-old woman, in Gaza on Thursday, medics said, a day after clashes in which 24 Palestinians died. Israel has killed 146 Gazans in a month-long offensive to recover a soldier seized by militants.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060727/ts_nm/mideast_dc_576

Brainiac, the article you quoted was published on the 27th July. Here are articles that came out soon after the captures were made.  ::)

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html (Forbes)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html (Hindustan Times)

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348 (Bahrain News Agency)

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html (France yahoo)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Hezbollah_liban.html (English translation to what was reported on France Yahoo)

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers2.html (AFP)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113428.htm (China)

http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2006/07/12/191@113491.htm (Israel confirmed the capture)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html (Asia Times)

http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html (How good is your Frecnh?)

Toppa .. yuh still miss meh point and meh scarcasm. :P

Yuh CANNOT categorically accuse Israel of being the only instigator in this conflict. and hold up Hezbolla as beyond reproach.  The reports in the world media cannot be taken at face value.  Yuh have to throw in some grains of salt in any report dat yuh read (especially from sites wid names like "antiwar.com"  -    :thinking: :thinking:hmm ah wonder wat dey point of view is????).

While my general sentiment is with the Israelis at this moment, ah not foolish enuf to tink dat deay are all angel.

An while your sentiments are with Hezbollah right now, ah jus hope yuh eh foolish enug to tink det are angels too.  But den again ,who knows??



Ooooh sarcasm was it? It must have been the same "curious sarcasm" Jab Jab is infamous for. As I have just shown you, numerous news agents around the world confirmed that the two soldiers were captured in Lebanon, meaning...that the Israeli soldiers were, not according to me, but according to the AFP and a French News Site..."As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners." ( I already gave you the links to these two stories)

Therefore, the entire pretext of this current assault on Lebanon and Palestine is false. And you are wrong about my "sentiments being with Hezbollah" I just know right from wrong and when I see something that is injust I speak out about it. I guess it's the Sociologist in me. BTW 23 people were just killed in the Gaza strip.


Just because AFP publish sometime, dat mean it right???.  After all Reuters publish a report today dat say it was in Israel. An Reuters is reputable.   But because AFP publish dat before July 27, den dey must be right and Reuter mus be wrong? So who do you believe..?  Two organization with two diffferent statements.

Wait nah man .....Ah see it now... ...you believe the one you want to be right.  Ah now get the logic oui.

I'll say it one more time:  the world press seldom get the story 100% accurate.  So read everyting with grain of salt.

And doh come to such opinionated conclusions based on who you want to be wrong and who yuh believe should be right.

I wish it were so simple.

But look at Israel and Lebanon .... if it is was so simple, dey would not be fighting.  Dey fighting for donkey years now.  Regardless of where the incident took place on July 12, that was not the beginning.  It started a long time ago.

Yuh say yuh know right from wrong.  Yet the world is divided on this issue.  So everybody who disagree wid you mus be real chupid oui.  And dey have a lot of learned ppl who wid disagree with you (an I eh including myself in dat group -- I am just a simple boy from Tunapuna.

aii ya yaai
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 03:57:05 PM


Just because AFP publish sometime, dat mean it right???.  After all Reuters publish a report today dat say it was in Israel. An Reuters is reputable.   But because AFP publish dat before July 27, den dey must be right and Reuter mus be wrong? So who do you believe..?  Two organization with two diffferent statements.

Wait nah man .....Ah see it now... ...you believe the one you want to be right.  Ah now get the logic oui.

I'll say it one more time:  the world press seldom get the story 100% accurate.  So read everyting with grain of salt.

And doh come to such opinionated conclusions based on who you want to be wrong and who yuh believe should be right.

I wish it were so simple.

But look at Israel and Lebanon .... if it is was so simple, dey would not be fighting.  Dey fighting for donkey years now.  Regardless of where the incident took place on July 12, that was not the beginning.  It started a long time ago.

Yuh say yuh know right from wrong.  Yet the world is divided on this issue.  So everybody who disagree wid you mus be real chupid oui.  And dey have a lot of learned ppl who wid disagree with you (an I eh including myself in dat group -- I am just a simple boy from Tunapuna.

aii ya yaai


What do the "learned" people disagree with me about? And it was not only the AFP who carried that story, I povided about 10 articles to your ONE Reuters article which printed weeks later after the propoganda mill had its turn.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 03:57:30 PM
Look Dutty has got his wish...page 20.  ::)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 27, 2006, 04:04:33 PM
NO!NO!NO! Allyuh let de ting reach 20 pages??? Geez an now Dutty get he wish and win he bet. SSTTTEEEEUUUUUPPPPSSSSS!!! >:( Ahh well what yer do?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 04:37:30 PM
I done ... 20 pages

Thanks Toppa

Peace and Love
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 04:38:20 PM
Wait ... one more post .

Dutty, when I see you at the Cariban Sweat .. we have to talk suh. :angel:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 04:42:06 PM
I claim this thread in the name of Toppa  :devil:

(http://www.bugwood.org/imgs/71_red_flag.jpg_s.jpg)
Title: TAKE DONG DAT BLASTED FLAG!!!
Post by: Dutty on July 27, 2006, 04:58:19 PM
 :clown: :clown: :joker: :joker: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :joker: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :party: :party: :party: :party: :afro: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :party: :party: :party: :party: :joker: :joker: :joker: :salute: :mackdaddy:

*unfurling page*

First of all I'd like to thank my publicist Pecan without his efforts there would be no filler during the down times.........my most combatitive of managers Toppa...thanks to all the participants in this thread who have earned me some beer & wine money
Props to My man JabJab..if it were not for his level of dotishness to continue being sucked in...this thread would have never reached the dizzying heights that I knew can be acheived

I HAVE SO MANY people to thank,, but they're giving me the signal to get off...THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





To the beast who dared bet mih...I eh go sell yuh out yet,,, ah know yuh lurkin and only post once to try and slow dong de ting...people tell mih bout yuh PM campaign too

Yuh have mih paypal account RUN MIH MORNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: Pointman on July 27, 2006, 05:06:47 PM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.

It's a bit more complex that that but suffice it to say that the US is committed to the side of Israel no matter what. The US has taken the stance that Isreal has a right to exist and therefore anything that Isreal does vis a vis it neighbours is warranted.

There is also an extremely powerful Jewish lobby in Washington that looks out for Israeli interest so essentially the US' hands are tied even if they may want to do something differently.
Title: DE FLAG STAYING RIGHT DEY!
Post by: Toppa on July 27, 2006, 05:29:58 PM
:clown: :clown: :joker: :joker: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :joker: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :party: :party: :party: :party: :afro: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :party: :party: :party: :party: :joker: :joker: :joker: :salute: :mackdaddy:

*unfurling page*

First of all I'd like to thank my publicist Pecan without his efforts there would be no filler during the down times.........my most combatitive of managers Toppa...thanks to all the participants in this thread who have earned me some beer & wine money
Props to My man JabJab..if it were not for his level of dotishness to continue being sucked in...this thread would have never reached the dizzying heights that I knew can be acheived

I HAVE SO MANY people to thank,, but they're giving me the signal to get off...THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





To the beast who dared bet mih...I eh go sell yuh out yet,,, ah know yuh lurkin and only post once to try and slow dong de ting...people tell mih bout yuh PM campaign too

Yuh have mih paypal account RUN MIH MORNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: Feliziano on July 27, 2006, 06:04:09 PM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.

It's a bit more complex that that but suffice it to say that the US is committed to the side of Israel no matter what. The US has taken the stance that Isreal has a right to exist and therefore anything that Isreal does vis a vis it neighbours is warranted.

There is also an extremely powerful Jewish lobby in Washington that looks out for Israeli interest so essentially the US' hands are tied even if they may want to do something differently.

Pointman doh tell meh dis is yuh first post in dis thread yes lol
talk bout being late eh  ;D
Dutty make another bet with yuh pardner..tell him we could make 25 pages LOL
Title: Re: War In Lebanon
Post by: pecan on July 27, 2006, 06:06:28 PM
We all know what's going on in Lebanon ...

And we all know that the US support the Israel agressive on Lebanon.

Now , here is what I have to ask , why does the US support them ?

Is it just dirty politics ... Support the Ally no matter what they do or say , or do they actually have a reason , how far fetched it may be..

I don't know too much about this , but I know that Isreal is being very aggresive with the Lebanese population for something that they didn't do , could it be that this is just the Isrealis using a kind of half baked reason to bomb Lebanon , something they've been wanting to do for a looooong time..


Nigel Dookie.

It's a bit more complex that that but suffice it to say that the US is committed to the side of Israel no matter what. The US has taken the stance that Isreal has a right to exist and therefore anything that Isreal does vis a vis it neighbours is warranted.

There is also an extremely powerful Jewish lobby in Washington that looks out for Israeli interest so essentially the US' hands are tied even if they may want to do something differently.

Pointman doh tell meh dis is yuh first post in dis thread yes lol
talk bout being late eh  ;D
Dutty make another bet with yuh pardner..tell him we could make 25 pages LOL

Doh look at me for dat ... Toppa already declared Champion
Title: Re: TAKE DONG DAT BLASTED FLAG!!!
Post by: JabJab on July 27, 2006, 07:19:19 PM
:clown: :clown: :joker: :joker: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :joker: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :party: :party: :party: :party: :afro: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :clown: :party: :party: :party: :party: :joker: :joker: :joker: :salute: :mackdaddy:

*unfurling page*

First of all I'd like to thank my publicist Pecan without his efforts there would be no filler during the down times.........my most combatitive of managers Toppa...thanks to all the participants in this thread who have earned me some beer & wine money
Props to My man JabJab..if it were not for his level of dotishness to continue being sucked in...this thread would have never reached the dizzying heights that I knew can be acheived

I HAVE SO MANY people to thank,, but they're giving me the signal to get off...THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





To the beast who dared bet mih...I eh go sell yuh out yet,,, ah know yuh lurkin and only post once to try and slow dong de ting...people tell mih bout yuh PM campaign too

Yuh have mih paypal account RUN MIH MORNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







Well done yer ^%%$#  :) But is all good Extra thanks should go to Toppa were it not for her valuable input I would never have been able to perform as long as i did. :devil: Laters
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 27, 2006, 10:19:39 PM
 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 28, 2006, 06:38:33 AM
pecan...did u watch the daily show last night..i get educated highly about hamas and hezbollah dred..certain odde rppl in here shoulda watch it to..but then again...it might not help...(btw dutty how long u want this thread go on). if so..fire could still chooke u know...
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 28, 2006, 07:08:39 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(

very appropraite comments for your 500th post :beermug: :beermug:

look organic reach 1000. it would be nice if they had another set of levels for the uber-posters - i think after 500 its is hero warrior. after that the next thing is moderator  ;D

organic, nice meeting you yesterday  :beermug:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 28, 2006, 07:17:52 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(

very appropraite comments for your 500th post :beermug: :beermug:

look organic reach 1000. it would be nice if they had another set of levels for the uber-posters - i think after 500 its is hero warrior. after that the next thing is moderator  ;D

organic, nice meeting you yesterday  :beermug:
yeah ribbit u to...but wait i didnt even notice dat...damn i coulda use it like walker to profile mehself. but in m case it woulda jus show everybody hwo i eh have one ass to do..lol ;D...so happy 1000 POST TO ME:d
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 28, 2006, 08:30:36 AM
pecan...did u watch the daily show last night..i get educated highly about hamas and hezbollah dred..certain odde rppl in here shoulda watch it to..but then again...it might not help...(btw dutty how long u want this thread go on). if so..fire could still chooke u know...

yeah ...watched it and could not help thinking about this thread lol

yuh remember de man name?  someting "Ben" someting.

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

den in todays National Post Editorial --- "Hezbollah's hate, made in Iran"  Some interesting statements.  But as I told Toppa several times, yuh cyar accept what dey say in the press as gospel.

 But one ting the Post did say was dat

" All this loss of life was caused by Hezbollah's decision to stage an unprovoked act of war on uncontested, sovereign Israeli soil two weeks ago."

So here is a National Cdn newspaper contradicting all the sources that Toppa quoted. 

My point - we do not truly know the details. 

More "stirring de pot"  mite make dis thread go to 21 pages lol


Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 28, 2006, 08:32:32 AM
The Palestinian gov't was democratically elected and because the US and Israel don't like who they chose to be their leaders they're deemed terrorists

Toppa, this is completely wrong. yes the us and israel do not like hamas. however, you are completely (probably deliberately) ignoring the history of hamas and their role in the intifada and specifically the attacks they have committed against israel. hamas is no 4-H club - read up on them first before you make statements like this.  >:(

very appropraite comments for your 500th post :beermug: :beermug:

look organic reach 1000. it would be nice if they had another set of levels for the uber-posters - i think after 500 its is hero warrior. after that the next thing is moderator  ;D

organic, nice meeting you yesterday  :beermug:
yeah ribbit u to...but wait i didnt even notice dat...damn i coulda use it like walker to profile mehself. but in m case it woulda jus show everybody hwo i eh have one ass to do..lol ;D...so happy 1000 POST TO ME:d

1000   :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 28, 2006, 08:59:12 AM
pecan...did u watch the daily show last night..i get educated highly about hamas and hezbollah dred..certain odde rppl in here shoulda watch it to..but then again...it might not help...(btw dutty how long u want this thread go on). if so..fire could still chooke u know...

yeah ...watched it and could not help thinking about this thread lol

yuh remember de man name?  someting "Ben" someting.

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

den in todays National Post Editorial --- "Hezbollah's hate, made in Iran"  Some interesting statements.  But as I told Toppa several times, yuh cyar accept what dey say in the press as gospel.

 But one ting the Post did say was dat

" All this loss of life was caused by Hezbollah's decision to stage an unprovoked act of war on uncontested, sovereign Israeli soil two weeks ago."

So here is a National Cdn newspaper contradicting all the sources that Toppa quoted. 

My point - we do not truly know the details. 

More "stirring de pot"  mite make dis thread go to 21 pages lol



well oh gorm pecan...ah know yuh like yuh national post...owned by can west

But look at who own/does sit on de board of can west global...what kinda slant yuh tink dem fellahs go have

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 28, 2006, 09:08:49 AM
pecan...did u watch the daily show last night..i get educated highly about hamas and hezbollah dred..certain odde rppl in here shoulda watch it to..but then again...it might not help...(btw dutty how long u want this thread go on). if so..fire could still chooke u know...

yeah ...watched it and could not help thinking about this thread lol

yuh remember de man name?  someting "Ben" someting.

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

den in todays National Post Editorial --- "Hezbollah's hate, made in Iran"  Some interesting statements.  But as I told Toppa several times, yuh cyar accept what dey say in the press as gospel.

 But one ting the Post did say was dat

" All this loss of life was caused by Hezbollah's decision to stage an unprovoked act of war on uncontested, sovereign Israeli soil two weeks ago."

So here is a National Cdn newspaper contradicting all the sources that Toppa quoted. 

My point - we do not truly know the details. 

More "stirring de pot"  mite make dis thread go to 21 pages lol



well oh gorm pecan...ah know yuh like yuh national post...owned by can west

But look at who own/does sit on de board of can west global...what kinda slant yuh tink dem fellahs go have



exactly my point ... yuh cud find anyting to suport a particular point of view.

btw - dat was an editorial opinion as opposed to factual reporting.  At least dat is de way i read it.  I doh take it a face value.

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 28, 2006, 09:56:05 AM
pecan...did u watch the daily show last night..i get educated highly about hamas and hezbollah dred..certain odde rppl in here shoulda watch it to..but then again...it might not help...(btw dutty how long u want this thread go on). if so..fire could still chooke u know...

yeah ...watched it and could not help thinking about this thread lol

yuh remember de man name?  someting "Ben" someting.

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

den in todays National Post Editorial --- "Hezbollah's hate, made in Iran"  Some interesting statements.  But as I told Toppa several times, yuh cyar accept what dey say in the press as gospel.

 But one ting the Post did say was dat

" All this loss of life was caused by Hezbollah's decision to stage an unprovoked act of war on uncontested, sovereign Israeli soil two weeks ago."

So here is a National Cdn newspaper contradicting all the sources that Toppa quoted. 

My point - we do not truly know the details. 

More "stirring de pot"  mite make dis thread go to 21 pages lol



well oh gorm pecan...ah know yuh like yuh national post...owned by can west

But look at who own/does sit on de board of can west global...what kinda slant yuh tink dem fellahs go have



exactly my point ... yuh cud find anyting to suport a particular point of view.

btw - dat was an editorial opinion as opposed to factual reporting.  At least dat is de way i read it.  I doh take it a face value.



remember a few months back, the national post broke a story on how iran had passed some law to make jews wear badges - like the nazis? stephen harper started opening he yap. turns out the story was completely false. seems like every media organization lapsing.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 28, 2006, 01:57:37 PM

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

i just read bout that the other day..so what is the main difference between the Sunni and Shiite and why dey ent like each other?
also did allyuh know Iran isn't considered "Arab" but rather "Persian"?

ah keep seeing and hearing the word "Illuminatti" a lot lately..this has something to do with the New World Order theory i believe..allyuh know anything bout that too and if it related to this present conflict?

ah had some other questions last night but cant remeber them right now..ill hopefully remeber tonight lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 28, 2006, 02:07:23 PM

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

i just read bout that the other day..so what is the main difference between the Sunni and Shiite and why dey ent like each other?
also did allyuh know Iran isn't considered "Arab" but rather "Persian"?

ah keep seeing and hearing the word "Illuminatti" a lot lately..this has something to do with the New World Order theory i believe..allyuh know anything bout that too and if it related to this present conflict?

ah had some other questions last night but cant remeber them right now..ill hopefully remeber tonight lol

Dutty ...yuh mite have to go for 25 now wid dis setta question.

TOPPA!  TOPPA!  where yuh gone?  de man want some answers.

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 30, 2006, 07:48:18 PM
Well look more trouble  :-\

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/07/29/chavez.iran.ap/index.html

Dais all we need now eh
Nex ting dem yankee want to take back chagaramas and wallerfield to park up dey carriers and bombers
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 30, 2006, 08:11:25 PM

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

i just read bout that the other day..so what is the main difference between the Sunni and Shiite and why dey ent like each other?
also did allyuh know Iran isn't considered "Arab" but rather "Persian"?

ah keep seeing and hearing the word "Illuminatti" a lot lately..this has something to do with the New World Order theory i believe..allyuh know anything bout that too and if it related to this present conflict?

ah had some other questions last night but cant remeber them right now..ill hopefully remeber tonight lol

Dutty ...yuh mite have to go for 25 now wid dis setta question.

TOPPA!  TOPPA!  where yuh gone?  de man want some answers.

what happen..allyuh cant answer meh fleckign questions or what?..steups lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on July 30, 2006, 08:25:12 PM
Dutty the Chavez ,Iran meeting really have nothing to do with ammunitions.That has to do with the fact that Iran wants to change the status quo.Yah see america has a lock on oil sales ,any country buying oil has to do so in US dollars ,this is what keeps there money afloat,what iran"s pres wants to do is say screw america their money is worth less .We give them barrels of oil and they give us worthless paper >:(
So the plan is move to at least euros,america"s not happy ,if this works the economy will crash,think 1932. So Iran looking for support in Vene.
Feliziano what you want,do you want the truth ?,can you handle the truth  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 30, 2006, 09:01:25 PM
Dutty the Chavez ,Iran meeting really have nothing to do with ammunitions.That has to do with the fact that Iran wants to change the status quo.Yah see america has a lock on oil sales ,any country buying oil has to do so in US dollars ,this is what keeps there money afloat,what iran"s pres wants to do is say screw america their money is worth less .We give them barrels of oil and they give us worthless paper >:(
So the plan is move to at least euros,america"s not happy ,if this works the economy will crash,think 1932. So Iran looking for support in Vene.
Feliziano what you want,do you want the truth ?,can you handle the truth  ;D

I disagree it is about ammunition...as america doesnt do diplomacy well and they cant do economic sanctions well...however the one thing dem fellahs does do extremely well..is war

with regard to the euro switch. I am aware that was one of the background reasons for invading iraq
However as you see, dem fellahs make up all kinda  WMD  and Democracy nancystories to justify dat move

Now given the fact that chavez. nationalize all de yankee oil co's,,,,,,is ah real good pardner with castro and does continuously badtalk bush in speeches
How long yuh think dem fellahs go take before dey invade caracas under the pretext of "freeing hostage americans" or "liberating the venezuelan people"...dey does done call chavez a dictator in white house press conferences even though de man legally elected

I personally eh tink dis go happen..cause dem boys busy in de middle east however if anyting was to play whey yuh think dey staging area go be...guyana,columbia or chag?

oh gorm doh start da illuminati ting nah...just direct feliz to de thread we was rollin last month...if he eh get headache from readin all de con-spiracy theories...den yuh could fix he mix
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on July 30, 2006, 09:08:06 PM
I was not aware Chavez nat. us com ,so what that mean he take over? well.... that is war in my eyes ,if that is what you mean.

Speaking of conspiracy you know that Saddam in court not real right.And you will be surprised how much it has to do with what happening  ;D but I digrest. :beermug:

Dutty do me a favor get a globe and follow the 33 rd parrallel all around the world ,and all places close to it .
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 30, 2006, 09:26:02 PM
oh gorm doh start da illuminati ting nah...just direct feliz to de thread we was rollin last month...if he eh get headache from readin all de con-spiracy theories...den yuh could fix he mix
ah didnt realize it had a thread bout Illuminatti here before.
ah go try and find it..then ah go come back with some more questions  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Jah Gol on July 31, 2006, 05:20:23 AM
Dutty the Chavez ,Iran meeting really have nothing to do with ammunitions.That has to do with the fact that Iran wants to change the status quo.Yah see america has a lock on oil sales ,any country buying oil has to do so in US dollars ,this is what keeps there money afloat,what iran"s pres wants to do is say screw america their money is worth less .We give them barrels of oil and they give us worthless paper >:(
So the plan is move to at least euros,america"s not happy ,if this works the economy will crash,think 1932. So Iran looking for support in Vene.
Feliziano what you want,do you want the truth ?,can you handle the truth  ;D

I disagree it is about ammunition...as america doesnt do diplomacy well and they cant do economic sanctions well...however the one thing dem fellahs does do extremely well..is war

with regard to the euro switch. I am aware that was one of the background reasons for invading iraq
However as you see, dem fellahs make up all kinda  WMD  and Democracy nancystories to justify dat move

Now given the fact that chavez. nationalize all de yankee oil co's,,,,,,is ah real good pardner with castro and does continuously badtalk bush in speeches
How long yuh think dem fellahs go take before dey invade caracas under the pretext of "freeing hostage americans" or "liberating the venezuelan people"...dey does done call chavez a dictator in white house press conferences even though de man legally elected

I personally eh tink dis go happen..cause dem boys busy in de middle east however if anyting was to play whey yuh think dey staging area go be...guyana,columbia or chag?

oh gorm doh start da illuminati ting nah...just direct feliz to de thread we was rollin last month...if he eh get headache from readin all de con-spiracy theories...den yuh could fix he mix

I think its a bit of both. Chavez has stated on countless occasions his intention to shift the balance of power. He also realises that that Americans (given their sterling record in International Diplomacy) will now or in the future attack his country to prevent this from occuring. He is in fact arming his nation to stave off an American assault. Moreover it is only prudent that a nation that possesses as much oil as they do invest in the defense of that precious resource especially when American vultures are lurking. I don't have a problem with Chavez exept for that shadey alliance with Iran. The Caribbean would be caught in the middle both militarily and economically if some serious were to break out.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: fishs on July 31, 2006, 05:53:29 AM
Dutty the Chavez ,Iran meeting really have nothing to do with ammunitions.That has to do with the fact that Iran wants to change the status quo.Yah see america has a lock on oil sales ,any country buying oil has to do so in US dollars ,this is what keeps there money afloat,what iran"s pres wants to do is say screw america their money is worth less .We give them barrels of oil and they give us worthless paper >:(
So the plan is move to at least euros,america"s not happy ,if this works the economy will crash,think 1932. So Iran looking for support in Vene.
Feliziano what you want,do you want the truth ?,can you handle the truth  ;D

I disagree it is about ammunition...as america doesnt do diplomacy well and they cant do economic sanctions well...however the one thing dem fellahs does do extremely well..is war

with regard to the euro switch. I am aware that was one of the background reasons for invading iraq
However as you see, dem fellahs make up all kinda  WMD  and Democracy nancystories to justify dat move

Now given the fact that chavez. nationalize all de yankee oil co's,,,,,,is ah real good pardner with castro and does continuously badtalk bush in speeches
How long yuh think dem fellahs go take before dey invade caracas under the pretext of "freeing hostage americans" or "liberating the venezuelan people"...dey does done call chavez a dictator in white house press conferences even though de man legally elected

I personally eh tink dis go happen..cause dem boys busy in de middle east however if anyting was to play whey yuh think dey staging area go be...guyana,columbia or chag?

oh gorm doh start da illuminati ting nah...just direct feliz to de thread we was rollin last month...if he eh get headache from readin all de con-spiracy theories...den yuh could fix he mix

I think its a bit of both. Chavez has stated on countless occasions his intention to shift the balance of power. He also realises that that Americans (given their sterling record in International Diplomacy) will now or in the future attack his country to prevent this from occuring. He is in fact arming his nation to stave off an American assault. Moreover it is only prudent that a nation that possesses as much oil as they do invest in the defense of that precious resource especially when American vultures are lurking. I don't have a problem with Chavez exept for that shadey alliance with Iran. The Caribbean would be caught in the middle both militarily and economically if some serious were to break out.

Lol . Allyuh into all kinda high lodgeman type ah talk dey.
 
I ent bright like allyuh fellas, but all I know for a fact is dat war is good for america.
De price of oil go up ...de us dollar get weak.... de us economy pick up ...more jobs .... check out dat an tell mih if ah lie ?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 31, 2006, 06:00:27 AM
Dutty the Chavez ,Iran meeting really have nothing to do with ammunitions.That has to do with the fact that Iran wants to change the status quo.Yah see america has a lock on oil sales ,any country buying oil has to do so in US dollars ,this is what keeps there money afloat,what iran"s pres wants to do is say screw america their money is worth less .We give them barrels of oil and they give us worthless paper >:(
So the plan is move to at least euros,america"s not happy ,if this works the economy will crash,think 1932. So Iran looking for support in Vene.
Feliziano what you want,do you want the truth ?,can you handle the truth  ;D

I disagree it is about ammunition...as america doesnt do diplomacy well and they cant do economic sanctions well...however the one thing dem fellahs does do extremely well..is war

with regard to the euro switch. I am aware that was one of the background reasons for invading iraq
However as you see, dem fellahs make up all kinda  WMD  and Democracy nancystories to justify dat move

Now given the fact that chavez. nationalize all de yankee oil co's,,,,,,is ah real good pardner with castro and does continuously badtalk bush in speeches
How long yuh think dem fellahs go take before dey invade caracas under the pretext of "freeing hostage americans" or "liberating the venezuelan people"...dey does done call chavez a dictator in white house press conferences even though de man legally elected

I personally eh tink dis go happen..cause dem boys busy in de middle east however if anyting was to play whey yuh think dey staging area go be...guyana,columbia or chag?

oh gorm doh start da illuminati ting nah...just direct feliz to de thread we was rollin last month...if he eh get headache from readin all de con-spiracy theories...den yuh could fix he mix

I think its a bit of both. Chavez has stated on countless occasions his intention to shift the balance of power. He also realises that that Americans (given their sterling record in International Diplomacy) will now or in the future attack his country to prevent this from occuring. He is in fact arming his nation to stave off an American assault. Moreover it is only prudent that a nation that possesses as much oil as they do invest in the defense of that precious resource especially when American vultures are lurking. I don't have a problem with Chavez exept for that shadey alliance with Iran. The Caribbean would be caught in the middle both militarily and economically if some serious were to break out.

Lol . Allyuh into all kinda high lodgeman type ah talk dey.
 
I ent bright like allyuh fellas, but all I know for a fact is dat war is good for america.
De price of oil go up ...de us dollar get weak.... de us economy pick up ...more jobs .... check out dat an tell mih if ah lie ?

Yuh eh lie ... yuh right ... but de war has to take place outside the USA.

For each bomb Israel drop, a Purchase Order is generated to order a replacement.  For each rocket Hezbollah launched, another is made to replace it.  And ah tell yuh, money exchaning hands in the process.

In the mean time, everybody wringing dey han and saying how terrible dis war is, an some many  chirren dying and it so sad .....BS

Was is War and as long as somebody making money or remaining in control, WAR will be a companion for humanity until the Rapture (or equivalent).
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 31, 2006, 06:10:56 AM

dat was educational . de sunni vs the shiite, the alliances of convenience, Syria, Iran, ..... too complicated for me.

i just read bout that the other day..so what is the main difference between the Sunni and Shiite and why dey ent like each other?
also did allyuh know Iran isn't considered "Arab" but rather "Persian"?

ah keep seeing and hearing the word "Illuminatti" a lot lately..this has something to do with the New World Order theory i believe..allyuh know anything bout that too and if it related to this present conflict?

ah had some other questions last night but cant remeber them right now..ill hopefully remeber tonight lol

Dutty ...yuh mite have to go for 25 now wid dis setta question.

TOPPA!  TOPPA!  where yuh gone?  de man want some answers.

what happen..allyuh cant answer meh fleckign questions or what?..steups lol

Well i Googled it (musbe your browser doh dupport Google :devil: :devil:). Did answer seemed good.

BRANCHES OF ISLAM:
    The death of Muhammad in Medina provoked a major crisis among his followers: The dispute over the leadership resulted in the most important "schism" in Islam: "Sunnis" and "Shiites:

The Prophet's preference to follow him was Ali, the husband of his daughter, the Egyptian Fatima, and the father of his only surviving grandsons Hasan and Husayn. But, while the family was busy burying the Prophet, the leaders of Medina elected the aging Abu Bakr, the father of the Prophet's favorite wife, as the successor ("caliph"), even before the burial of the Prophet. Ali and his family were dismayed but agreed for the sake of unity, and because Ali was still young... however, after the murder of the third caliph, Ali was invited by the Muslims of Medina to accept the caliphate, with the
mayor schism of Islam:
    - The "Sunnis",  followers of Abu, the majority, with 800 million Muslims.
    - The "Shiites",  followers of Ali, with 100 million Muslims (Iran, Iraq, Palestine).
    Despite the differences in detail and politics, the various branches do accept the basic tenets laid down in the Koran.

1- The "Sunni": 800 million:
    The followers of Abu, called "Sunni" because they accept the "sunnas", the oral traditions and interpretations of the Koran after Muhammad's death, called the "sunnas", and later the "Hadiths".
    They are usually more liberal.
    They belief the "caliph" ("successor" of Muhammad) should always be elected, not conferred by heredity. They claim they are the true followers of the faith, and until 1959 they refuse to recognize the Shiites as true Muslims. They believe in "predestination".

2- The "Shiite": 100 million:
    The "Shiite ("partisans"), are the followers of Ali, more orthodox and militant, mainly in Iran, Iraq, and Palestine. In 656, Ali and Fatima's son Hussein led a fight against the Sunnis. Hussein was torture and beheaded, and today the Shiites of Iran honor the memory of Hussein's death with an annual procession in which marches in a
frenzied demonstration beat and whip themselves with chains and branches.
    The "Iman" and "Mahdi" (Messhiah):

    Shiites created the office of the "Imam" ("leader" or "guide"), who were infallible, one for each generation, the only source of religious instruction and guidance, and all in direct descendence of Ali. There were 12 Imams since Ali; the last one, the 12th, went into hiding in 940, and he will emerge later to rule the world as "Mahdi" ("Messiah"). For this reason they are also called the "Imamites" or "Twelvers".
   

Somebody else will answer the arab ver persian and illuminati - (or yuh cud get a brwoser with Google lol) :rotfl:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 31, 2006, 08:45:14 AM
Heh look de lodgeman conversation....like every oother thread on this entire board one topic does always get derailed

However...pioneertrini NEVER come back after dis yuh hear

http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=15485.0
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 31, 2006, 10:19:25 AM
ah abck what ah miss....wah toppa been saying..look 21 pages...is this a record yet
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 31, 2006, 10:32:26 AM
ah abck what ah miss....wah toppa been saying..look 21 pages...is this a record yet

back?? whey yuh went?

you eh miss nuttn....most of the thread kinda turn into whether using a pot of pelau as the logo for a political party will in fact have any positive  significance in voter turnout
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on July 31, 2006, 10:39:37 AM
ah abck what ah miss....wah toppa been saying..look 21 pages...is this a record yet

back?? whey yuh went?

you eh miss nuttn....most of the thread kinda turn into whether using a pot of pelau as the logo for a political party will in fact have any positive  significance in voter turnout
pealu vs roti?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 31, 2006, 10:45:09 AM
Nah pealu vs blue food

I postulated the blue food on a political flag will cause voters in rural areas to go to the polling station in great numbers

Pelau being universal will cause and even greater turnout from semi rural and urban areas...the issue is the niche voters, how does one persuade people from e.g  areas like Fairways & Goodwood Park to come out....what political dish can entice them?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: morvant on July 31, 2006, 10:55:04 AM
oh allyuh doh like war

cowards
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 31, 2006, 11:21:11 AM
oh allyuh doh like war

cowards

eh?  ???
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on July 31, 2006, 12:45:21 PM
ay ay die thread still here? Allyuh eh easy nuh.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: cocoapanyol on July 31, 2006, 01:27:41 PM
Nah pealu vs blue food

I postulated the blue food on a political flag will cause voters in rural areas to go to the polling station in great numbers

Pelau being universal will cause and even greater turnout from semi rural and urban areas...the issue is the niche voters, how does one persuade people from e.g  areas like Fairways & Goodwood Park to come out....what political dish can entice them?

Something stirfried maybe?  with not too much fat?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on July 31, 2006, 02:25:44 PM
Nah pealu vs blue food

I postulated the blue food on a political flag will cause voters in rural areas to go to the polling station in great numbers

Pelau being universal will cause and even greater turnout from semi rural and urban areas...the issue is the niche voters, how does one persuade people from e.g  areas like Fairways & Goodwood Park to come out....what political dish can entice them?


Something stirfried maybe?  with not too much fat?

Nah..Fairways FULL ah fat people,,, yuh hadda represent de community...ah tink ah macaroni pie will do
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 31, 2006, 02:45:52 PM
Nah pealu vs blue food

I postulated the blue food on a political flag will cause voters in rural areas to go to the polling station in great numbers

Pelau being universal will cause and even greater turnout from semi rural and urban areas...the issue is the niche voters, how does one persuade people from e.g  areas like Fairways & Goodwood Park to come out....what political dish can entice them?


Something stirfried maybe?  with not too much fat?

Nah..Fairways FULL ah fat people,,, yuh hadda represent de community...ah tink ah macaroni pie will do

marcoroni pie and callaloo?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on July 31, 2006, 02:46:38 PM
btw ..wat de hell dis food talk have to do with war in Lebanon?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on July 31, 2006, 03:19:42 PM
oh allyuh doh like war

cowards

dem man dropping bomb from way up - dem eh cowards. dem is heroes.

dem man getting bomb on dey head - is DEM is cowards.

dat is war.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: morvant on July 31, 2006, 06:45:40 PM
if allyuh did read allyuh bible allyuh woulda know to expect this

all yuh have to do now iz rock back and watch de war and listen fuh de trumpets
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 31, 2006, 07:09:26 PM

Somebody else will answer the arab ver persian and illuminati - (or yuh cud get a brwoser with Google lol) :rotfl:

Pecan..Thanks for answering the question on Sunni and Shiites  :)
nah ah have Google..but just wanted to hear what a Trini understanding of it was nah.

So Compre..yuh saying the Saddam trial is not right(justified) or yuh trying to say it fake?..what bout this 33rd Parallel thing too?.. and yes, ah could handle de truth  ;D

Morv..ah read the Bible..but was for just reading sake twice before..ah must say Revelations was scary and entertaining at the same time lol
so exactly where does todays events match up in de Bible?




Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: morvant on July 31, 2006, 08:07:28 PM

Somebody else will answer the arab ver persian and illuminati - (or yuh cud get a brwoser with Google lol) :rotfl:

Pecan..Thanks for answering the question on Sunni and Shiites  :)
nah ah have Google..but just wanted to hear what a Trini understanding of it was nah.

So Compre..yuh saying the Saddam trial is not right(justified) or yuh trying to say it fake?..what bout this 33rd Parallel thing too?.. and yes, ah could handle de truth  ;D

Morv..ah read the Bible..but was for just reading sake twice before..ah must say Revelations was scary and entertaining at the same time lol
so exactly where does todays events match up in de Bible?






read the books of daniel and then revelation and it go give ah whole different meaning
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on July 31, 2006, 08:54:59 PM

Somebody else will answer the arab ver persian and illuminati - (or yuh cud get a brwoser with Google lol) :rotfl:

Pecan..Thanks for answering the question on Sunni and Shiites  :)
nah ah have Google..but just wanted to hear what a Trini understanding of it was nah.

So Compre..yuh saying the Saddam trial is not right(justified) or yuh trying to say it fake?..what bout this 33rd Parallel thing too?.. and yes, ah could handle de truth  ;D

Morv..ah read the Bible..but was for just reading sake twice before..ah must say Revelations was scary and entertaining at the same time lol
so exactly where does todays events match up in de Bible?

read the books of daniel and then revelation and it go give ah whole different meaning
gosh boy..yuh telling meh ah have to go read dat book agian? ;D
thanks for dat tip though
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on August 01, 2006, 02:36:45 PM

Somebody else will answer the arab ver persian and illuminati - (or yuh cud get a brwoser with Google lol) :rotfl:

Pecan..Thanks for answering the question on Sunni and Shiites  :)
nah ah have Google..but just wanted to hear what a Trini understanding of it was nah.

So Compre..yuh saying the Saddam trial is not right(justified) or yuh trying to say it fake?..what bout this 33rd Parallel thing too?.. and yes, ah could handle de truth  ;D

Morv..ah read the Bible..but was for just reading sake twice before..ah must say Revelations was scary and entertaining at the same time lol
so exactly where does todays events match up in de Bible?





So yah want the truth,well ah ein"t sure this is it ,but ppl study this ting using family trees and history of cities ,to find why things happening.
But dutty getting vex,and he tell me they drag Pioneer Trini back in the bush for talking  :rotfl:,so he have me little paro  (http://forums.invisionpower.com/style_emoticons/default/fear.gif)
Ah never say saddam trial is fake ah say the saddam in jail in fake. The 33rd parallel is interesting ,it has
lot of am <clears troat > occult activities here.In America along it has the bohemian groove ,the headquaarters of the church of scientology,they tested the A bomb.Around the world ,cities like heroshima , Jeruselem ,paramids that city Isreal bombed Bahl someting <note the name Bahl>.
The point is why did they put Isreal ,in a spot where there knew they would they would be hated as much as in Germany.Then allways helping Isreal invade the holy land,they want something..............They want Jerusalem ,and King Solomons old temple.  ::)


This has 33 stuff http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/33rd-parallel-masonic-line-of-death-row-human-sacrifice-ritual
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on August 01, 2006, 04:20:28 PM
Heard of the massacre in Qana people? And the carnage continues.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 01, 2006, 05:14:45 PM
Heard of the massacre in Qana people? And the carnage continues.

Yeah .. Hezbollah using Human Shields effectively and Israel doh seem to care if they kill the shields.

Hezbollah in a win-win situation -

If Israel does nothing, then Hezbollah can continue their rocket fire against Israeli civilians unabated.
If Israel fights back and cause civilian casualties, Hezbollah wins a propaganda victory (see Qana)

btw - depending on whose account yuh read, the two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped on uncontested Israeli land or on uncontested Lebanon land.

an BTW again .. were de hell is the Lebanese Government?  Why dey allowing Hezbollah to hide their rockets amongst civilians?

The way the war going, Lebanon will be wasted.  Sad, so sad.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2006, 05:15:21 PM

Somebody else will answer the arab ver persian and illuminati - (or yuh cud get a brwoser with Google lol) :rotfl:

Pecan..Thanks for answering the question on Sunni and Shiites  :)
nah ah have Google..but just wanted to hear what a Trini understanding of it was nah.

So Compre..yuh saying the Saddam trial is not right(justified) or yuh trying to say it fake?..what bout this 33rd Parallel thing too?.. and yes, ah could handle de truth  ;D

Morv..ah read the Bible..but was for just reading sake twice before..ah must say Revelations was scary and entertaining at the same time lol
so exactly where does todays events match up in de Bible?





So yah want the truth,well ah ein"t sure this is it ,but ppl study this ting using family trees and history of cities ,to find why things happening.
But dutty getting vex,and he tell me they drag Pioneer Trini back in the bush for talking  :rotfl:,so he have me little paro  (http://forums.invisionpower.com/style_emoticons/default/fear.gif)
Ah never say saddam trial is fake ah say the saddam in jail in fake. The 33rd parallel is interesting ,it has
lot of am <clears troat > occult activities here.In America along it has the bohemian groove ,the headquaarters of the church of scientology,they tested the A bomb.Around the world ,cities like heroshima , Jeruselem ,paramids that city Isreal bombed Bahl someting <note the name Bahl>.
The point is why did they put Isreal ,in a spot where there knew they would they would be hated as much as in Germany.Then allways helping Isreal invade the holy land,they want something..............They want Jerusalem ,and King Solomons old temple.  ::)


This has 33 stuff http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/33rd-parallel-masonic-line-of-death-row-human-sacrifice-ritual

oh oik..ah didnt understand what yuh was syaign bout Saddam lol
so if he is not de real Saddam..where de real Saddam?lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on August 01, 2006, 05:28:28 PM
somewhere in here


(http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/SaddamWhere/SaddamWhere/plafgfggfnte.gif)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 01, 2006, 05:29:40 PM
somewhere in here


(http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/SaddamWhere/SaddamWhere/plafgfggfnte.gif)

forth row from the front, 7th person from the left
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2006, 06:07:16 PM
somewhere in here


(http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/SaddamWhere/SaddamWhere/plafgfggfnte.gif)

forth row from the front, 7th person from the left

nah..that look more like Senor Fidel  ;D
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on August 01, 2006, 07:18:02 PM
Heard of the massacre in Qana people? And the carnage continues.

Yeah .. Hezbollah using Human Shields effectively and Israel doh seem to care if they kill the shields.

Hezbollah in a win-win situation -

If Israel does nothing, then Hezbollah can continue their rocket fire against Israeli civilians unabated.
If Israel fights back and cause civilian casualties, Hezbollah wins a propaganda victory (see Qana)

btw - depending on whose account yuh read, the two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped on uncontested Israeli land or on uncontested Lebanon land.

an BTW again .. were de hell is the Lebanese Government?  Why dey allowing Hezbollah to hide their rockets amongst civilians?

The way the war going, Lebanon will be wasted.  Sad, so sad.

You are so hilarious.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2006, 07:23:01 PM
Heard of the massacre in Qana people? And the carnage continues.

Yeah .. Hezbollah using Human Shields effectively and Israel doh seem to care if they kill the shields.

Hezbollah in a win-win situation -

If Israel does nothing, then Hezbollah can continue their rocket fire against Israeli civilians unabated.
If Israel fights back and cause civilian casualties, Hezbollah wins a propaganda victory (see Qana)

btw - depending on whose account yuh read, the two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped on uncontested Israeli land or on uncontested Lebanon land.

an BTW again .. were de hell is the Lebanese Government?  Why dey allowing Hezbollah to hide their rockets amongst civilians?

The way the war going, Lebanon will be wasted.  Sad, so sad.

You are so hilarious.
ah think ah figure it out..USA and Israel want to attack Syria from both sides lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on August 01, 2006, 07:29:54 PM
Heard of the massacre in Qana people? And the carnage continues.

Yeah .. Hezbollah using Human Shields effectively and Israel doh seem to care if they kill the shields.

Hezbollah in a win-win situation -

If Israel does nothing, then Hezbollah can continue their rocket fire against Israeli civilians unabated.
If Israel fights back and cause civilian casualties, Hezbollah wins a propaganda victory (see Qana)

btw - depending on whose account yuh read, the two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped on uncontested Israeli land or on uncontested Lebanon land.

an BTW again .. were de hell is the Lebanese Government?  Why dey allowing Hezbollah to hide their rockets amongst civilians?

The way the war going, Lebanon will be wasted.  Sad, so sad.

You are so hilarious.
ah think ah figure it out..USA and Israel want to attack Syria from both sides lol

Well, right now Israel insisting that they don't want an armed conflict with Syria but, we shall see.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on August 01, 2006, 07:35:43 PM
Those bloody Hezbollah militants! Quit using vans carrying humanitarian aid to Southern Lebanon as shields so the Israelis won't be forced to blow them the phu*ue up!
Right Pecan?  ::)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1833143,00.html

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2006, 07:42:39 PM
i thought that Hezbollah was primarily in the south of Lebanon..what is dis i hearing bout Isreal wanting to move troops to the north east?..this looking like an occupation in a few more weeks
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on August 01, 2006, 07:46:36 PM
i thought that Hezbollah was primarily in the south of Lebanon..what is dis i hearing bout Isreal wanting to move troops to the north east?..this looking like an occupation in a few more weeks

They've called up 30,000 reserves, so it seems as if they're going for another occupation of Lebanon. But I just read here http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1199351.ece that the US just closed a nuclear arms deal with India which would enable them to produce 50 more nuclear war-heads a yr than they are now capable. What's their case against Iran again?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 01, 2006, 07:56:28 PM
i thought that Hezbollah was primarily in the south of Lebanon..what is dis i hearing bout Isreal wanting to move troops to the north east?..this looking like an occupation in a few more weeks

They've called up 30,000 reserves, so it seems as if they're going for another occupation of Lebanon. But I just read here http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1199351.ece that the US just closed a nuclear arms deal with India which would enable them to produce 50 more nuclear war-heads a yr than they are now capable. What's their case against Iran again?
Lawd yes..what de hell dem going an do with 50 warheads?
ah wonder what kinda deal dey go give Pakistan now..steups
like Bush and dem in a hurry to end de world yes
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Toppa on August 01, 2006, 08:09:26 PM
i thought that Hezbollah was primarily in the south of Lebanon..what is dis i hearing bout Isreal wanting to move troops to the north east?..this looking like an occupation in a few more weeks

They've called up 30,000 reserves, so it seems as if they're going for another occupation of Lebanon. But I just read here http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1199351.ece that the US just closed a nuclear arms deal with India which would enable them to produce 50 more nuclear war-heads a yr than they are now capable. What's their case against Iran again?
Lawd yes..what de hell dem going an do with 50 warheads?
ah wonder what kinda deal dey go give Pakistan now..steups
like Bush and dem in a hurry to end de world yes

Horse, you think is joke! LoL
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 02, 2006, 06:23:44 AM
Those bloody Hezbollah militants! Quit using vans carrying humanitarian aid to Southern Lebanon as shields so the Israelis won't be forced to blow them the phu*ue up!
Right Pecan?  ::)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1833143,00.html



 :thinking: :thinking:

who controls South Lebanon?  whoever it is is the one who allows the world press to see what lies below the rubble .. right now we see all the dead bodies .. but we have yet to see any rockets and arms.  So obviously they do not exist and those 'bloody' Israeli 'militants' only want to blow up little children because they enjoy it.  Those monsters!!

For a minute, I though The Observer was an objective article until I read the whole thing as well as skimming a few related opinion pieces.  Very hard to find a truly objective piece on the war.  Most of the press is anti-Israel, some anti-Hezbollah.  Grain of Salt, Grain of Salt.

Both side will tel the press what they feel will serve them the best.

But this we do know: 
Hezbollah are launching rocket from civillian locations agains Israel civilian targets.
Israel is pounding Lebanon, going after them wherever they may be.

Both sides have lost sight of PEACE
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on August 02, 2006, 07:18:33 AM
Palestinians Love to Hate
Condoleezza Rice

Rice is the Raven", "a terrorist and child murderer"
"I need more [children's] blood [to drink]"
"Americans are talented at igniting crisis... They are like mosquitoes that need a swamp to fly above."

By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook- July 30, 2006

Above and beyond the steady anti-American hatred promoted by the Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders for years, they seem to have a special penchant for hating Condoleezza Rice. Some of the attacks have included expressions of racial hatred, as in an article this week referring to Rice as a "raven" and a previous article that referred to her as "the colored... the dark skinned... the black lady." [see PMW Bulletin]

In another racist  article attacking Condolezza Rice, the PA daily referred to her as the ”black woman” [three times], the “black spinster” and continues that he even considered the term “black widow” but rejected it. Her father is called the "black clergyman” [who filled her head with Bible stories] and Colin Powell is the “black man”, the “black gentleman” and even the “brave and moderate black.”

All appeared in the official PA daily, then controlled by Arafat, today under Mahmoud Abbas.

This week a cartoon mocked her hope for the birth of a new Middle East by drawing Rice pregnant with a monkey.

 Boy these Palestinians media outlets really know how to get in touch with people of african descent in America.

Clink on the link if you're interestedin seeing the picture.

http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 02, 2006, 07:32:17 AM
Palestinians Love to Hate
Condoleezza Rice

Rice is the Raven", "a terrorist and child murderer"
"I need more [children's] blood [to drink]"
"Americans are talented at igniting crisis... They are like mosquitoes that need a swamp to fly above."

By Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook- July 30, 2006

Above and beyond the steady anti-American hatred promoted by the Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders for years, they seem to have a special penchant for hating Condoleezza Rice. Some of the attacks have included expressions of racial hatred, as in an article this week referring to Rice as a "raven" and a previous article that referred to her as "the colored... the dark skinned... the black lady." [see PMW Bulletin]

In another racist  article attacking Condolezza Rice, the PA daily referred to her as the ”black woman” [three times], the “black spinster” and continues that he even considered the term “black widow” but rejected it. Her father is called the "black clergyman” [who filled her head with Bible stories] and Colin Powell is the “black man”, the “black gentleman” and even the “brave and moderate black.”

All appeared in the official PA daily, then controlled by Arafat, today under Mahmoud Abbas.

This week a cartoon mocked her hope for the birth of a new Middle East by drawing Rice pregnant with a monkey.

 Boy these Palestinians media outlets really know how to get in touch with people of african descent in America.

Clink on the link if you're interestedin seeing the picture.

http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm

so much hatred in dat part of the world (not to say iot doh exist elswhere ..).

Seems all dey live for is death
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on August 02, 2006, 08:50:32 AM
You eh lie. If yuh doh like the administration that is fine attack them all you want but doh bring race into it because lord knows there are plenty arab/middle eastern etc stereotypes and insults that could be sent right back to dem. Not too mention plenty black people in the U.S. actually support the palestinian cause.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 02, 2006, 09:00:24 AM
You eh lie. If yuh doh like the administration that is fine attack them all you want but doh bring race into it because lord knows there are plenty arab/middle eastern etc stereotypes and insults that could be sent right back to dem. Not too mention plenty black people in the U.S. actually support the palestinian cause.

I sure rice has been called worse in de state she grow up in

I think race will inevitably play a part because of what/who rice represents,, to them she represents an ally of israel thus death...to us its a mediating peace broker....in 99.9% of photo-ops at home or abroad she is like a raisin in ah glass of milk...yuh cyah pussyfoot around dat

Seems to me they had positive things to say about Powell.
Is not polite diplomats printin dem papers, it's regular common man
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on August 02, 2006, 09:19:06 AM
You eh lie. If yuh doh like the administration that is fine attack them all you want but doh bring race into it because lord knows there are plenty arab/middle eastern etc stereotypes and insults that could be sent right back to dem. Not too mention plenty black people in the U.S. actually support the palestinian cause.

I sure rice has been called worse in de state she grow up in

I think race will inevitably play a part because of what/who rice represents,, to them she represents an ally of israel thus death...to us its a mediating peace broker....in 99.9% of photo-ops at home or abroad she is like a raisin in ah glass of milk...yuh cyah pussyfoot around dat

Seems to me they had positive things to say about Powell.
Is not polite diplomats printin dem papers, it's regular common man

Nah man, dem hate bush like de devil but doh say nothing about his race. Common man or not these are journalist printing this in the main PA daily [palestinian authority  daily] newspaper. So as usual when black people agree we is friends but if you doh like what we doing yer start de racist talk?? But there will be little or no outcry in the states becuase she is 1]republican 2]a member of the bush cabinet. Had that been said about Jesse jackson or somebody else. People over here would have been up in arms!! But say wha. good ting she have tough skin yes.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on August 02, 2006, 09:24:20 AM
this thread keeps going and going and going..lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 02, 2006, 09:31:06 AM
this thread keeps going and going and going..lol

well, using words from another thread, some ppl on this thread "chooking fire" lol
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on August 02, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
this thread keeps going and going and going..lol

well, using words from another thread, some ppl on this thread "chooking fire" lol
lol..for real but some ah de basket some ppl dishing out..is mor elike JOOKINg
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 02, 2006, 10:16:24 AM
You eh lie. If yuh doh like the administration that is fine attack them all you want but doh bring race into it because lord knows there are plenty arab/middle eastern etc stereotypes and insults that could be sent right back to dem. Not too mention plenty black people in the U.S. actually support the palestinian cause.

I sure rice has been called worse in de state she grow up in

I think race will inevitably play a part because of what/who rice represents,, to them she represents an ally of israel thus death...to us its a mediating peace broker....in 99.9% of photo-ops at home or abroad she is like a raisin in ah glass of milk...yuh cyah pussyfoot around dat

Seems to me they had positive things to say about Powell.
Is not polite diplomats printin dem papers, it's regular common man

Nah man, dem hate bush like de devil but doh say nothing about his race. Common man or not these are journalist printing this in the main PA daily [palestinian authority  daily] newspaper. So as usual when black people agree we is friends but if you doh like what we doing yer start de racist talk?? But there will be little or no outcry in the states becuase she is 1]republican 2]a member of the bush cabinet. Had that been said about Jesse jackson or somebody else. People over here would have been up in arms!! But say wha. good ting she have tough skin yes.

I eh sure bout bush alone..dem fellahs hate America!!!!.same way dey did hate Carter * Nixon etc..or at least American foregn policy so anyting dat represent "the great satan"  directly gettin branded

When Henry Kissinger use to go on dat side of the world..is REAL jew talk and cartoons he use to get as well
If yuh not a WASP dem fellahs go see yuh as a traitor workin for the devil

I will agree that the pregnancy monkey ting was overdoin it but I still stand by the fact that is not like the us had a few black sec. of state before...so she stand out like a sore thumb annd B) that region of the world does consider woman 2nd class citizens

So now yuh get a combination of the two (black AND woman) representing yuh 'oppressor'?...easy,easy target for jumpin on the obvious

You are right however that black americans woulda make more noise if cartoons had come out against somebody they did like

In my opinion, these 'minor' issues/pictures have been sidetracked by the actual war and Mel Gibsons arrest...on a slow news today condi pictures woulda get more press attention
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on August 02, 2006, 10:25:20 AM
dutty like u get into the topic serious  i like it man
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 02, 2006, 10:29:16 AM
dutty like u get into the topic serious  i like it man

I done get mih morney....de man wuh bet mih say ah cyah jumpin more dan 4/5 times per page to 'cheat it along


anyway,, ah drinkin ah babash from mih desk...so ah done
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 08, 2006, 05:04:54 PM
well not much went on the last few days

but the latest news now is that Israel just shell a refugee camp in Lebanon
isnt that deliberately targeting civilians?

also Israel replace the General who they have running the war..he must be really incompetent or he not killing enough civilians..steups
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on August 09, 2006, 12:23:47 AM
So Iwas thinking Iran say a few months ago Isreal gonna get wipe out.Now over 2000 missiles hit isreal,I beleive Hisbolla is really a mix of iranian national guardsmen in disguise .This is a proxy war ,lebennon is a front to attack ,isreal so that ireal won"t nuke Iran  ;)
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 09, 2006, 07:08:24 AM
So Iwas thinking Iran say a few months ago Isreal gonna get wipe out.Now over 2000 missiles hit isreal,I beleive Hisbolla is really a mix of iranian national guardsmen in disguise .This is a proxy war ,lebennon is a front to attack ,isreal so that ireal won"t nuke Iran  ;)

Anytime Israel fight is ah proxy war....where yuh tink all their armaments does come from?

I eh think anybody in dey right mind go use nukes....cause once dat start...tings done for everybody
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on August 09, 2006, 08:36:36 AM
there was a report on the radio a few days ago (cbc i think) - there have been more people (civilians) killed in iraq than lebanon over the same period of time as this lebanon conflict has occurred. maybe it change after that camp got hit.

i wonder what happening in congo?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on August 09, 2006, 04:10:48 PM
well ithe knesset just voted to expand the war..so poor lebonesse ppl hadda feel it cause israel eh go back down till hezbollah crushed....and hezbolahh continung to fire rocket so innocent ppl on both sides hadda dead now....aint this world ah riot :-\
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Quags on August 09, 2006, 09:41:07 PM
So Iwas thinking Iran say a few months ago Isreal gonna get wipe out.Now over 2000 missiles hit isreal,I beleive Hisbolla is really a mix of iranian national guardsmen in disguise .This is a proxy war ,lebennon is a front to attack ,isreal so that ireal won"t nuke Iran  ;)

Anytime Israel fight is ah proxy war....where yuh tink all their armaments does come from?

I eh think anybody in dey right mind go use nukes....cause once dat start...tings done for everybody
I beleive Isreal pay for all there armaments,and that they have one of the most sophisticated armies in the world.And if they drive hisbolla back and it reach the border of iran and it spills over .............well we never know what might happen.No guarantee a nuke over there will affect us over here. :devil:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Organic on August 10, 2006, 10:19:10 AM
So Iwas thinking Iran say a few months ago Isreal gonna get wipe out.Now over 2000 missiles hit isreal,I beleive Hisbolla is really a mix of iranian national guardsmen in disguise .This is a proxy war ,lebennon is a front to attack ,isreal so that ireal won"t nuke Iran  ;)

Anytime Israel fight is ah proxy war....where yuh tink all their armaments does come from?

I eh think anybody in dey right mind go use nukes....cause once dat start...tings done for everybody
I beleive Isreal pay for all there armaments,and that they have one of the most sophisticated armies in the world.And if they drive hisbolla back and it reach the border of iran and it spills over .............well we never know what might happen.No guarantee a nuke over there will affect us over here. :devil:
well no one eh sure if iran ahve a nuclear weapon cause they nevre test any...but everyone sure isreal have cause de cia "stole" soome from the USa BACK IND E 60'S AND SOLD IT TO ISRAEL.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 10, 2006, 11:21:40 AM
SOLD?.... PAY??

At deep deep deep discount prices via the lobbyists in Congress  ;D

Whey allllll dis setta money come from??..in a country that have no natural resources and dont export anything of significance

Do ah research on how much FREE money de uncle in de stripe pants does gih dem fellahs annually

Hear wha...money or not...certain men have a vested interest in keepin dat region of the world unstable oui.........cause a united pan arab region will affect oil prices BADLY

Dem fellahs know divide and conquer very well

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on August 10, 2006, 01:58:32 PM
if iran doesn't have nuclear weapons they can just ask their neighbour that has the big petro interests in iran for a hand - russia backing iran for sure. russia have lots of "loose" nuclear weapons - the kind that can find their way into iran's hands if the time comes. i think that is what is making the usa tread lightly - because they are having trouble gauging russia's reaction to having all their investments in iran under attack by an overly ambitious israel.

but before israel get to iran, they have to deal with syria. ha'aretz already giving rundown of the syrian military capabilities. three fronts - syria, lebanon and gaza? israel would have to be mad to extend themselves so far.


EDIT: BTW, this scenario of russia conflicting with israel, i've been told, is a sign of the second coming. russia is supposed to be the scattered remnants of the biblical land of gog and magog. when gog attacks israel, then we are in the last days. i'm getting this secondhand so i can't vouch for the details.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: truetrini on August 10, 2006, 09:40:55 PM
if iran doesn't have nuclear weapons they can just ask their neighbour that has the big petro interests in iran for a hand - russia backing iran for sure. russia have lots of "loose" nuclear weapons - the kind that can find their way into iran's hands if the time comes. i think that is what is making the usa tread lightly - because they are having trouble gauging russia's reaction to having all their investments in iran under attack by an overly ambitious israel.

but before israel get to iran, they have to deal with syria. ha'aretz already giving rundown of the syrian military capabilities. three fronts - syria, lebanon and gaza? israel would have to be mad to extend themselves so far.


EDIT: BTW, this scenario of russia conflicting with israel, i've been told, is a sign of the second coming. russia is supposed to be the scattered remnants of the biblical land of gog and magog. when gog attacks israel, then we are in the last days. i'm getting this secondhand so i can't vouch for the details.

wHILE rUSSIA DOES HAVE  "LOOSE NUCLEAR WEAPONS"AS YOU PUT IT, THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO GET TO Iran.  Infact Russia will side with the USA if it comes to that.  Besides Russia has its own hands full with Checnya (sp) rebels and muslim insurgents.

And if I may remind you, Israel effectively dealt with all of the arab threat during the 6 days war.  I agree that israel is a bully but.......All those arab countries already tried to attack Israel and in a mere SIX (6) days they were routed by the Israeli Armed Forces. Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria decided to attack Israel and got theor asses whipped so badly, that to this day they cannot recover...i doh think dey ready fuh Israel at all, at all, please doh equate Israeli capabilities in dealing with terrorists with the usa...dey much better trained and prepared..it will be a rout!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: JabJab on August 11, 2006, 08:07:06 AM
if iran doesn't have nuclear weapons they can just ask their neighbour that has the big petro interests in iran for a hand - russia backing iran for sure. russia have lots of "loose" nuclear weapons - the kind that can find their way into iran's hands if the time comes. i think that is what is making the usa tread lightly - because they are having trouble gauging russia's reaction to having all their investments in iran under attack by an overly ambitious israel.

but before israel get to iran, they have to deal with syria. ha'aretz already giving rundown of the syrian military capabilities. three fronts - syria, lebanon and gaza? israel would have to be mad to extend themselves so far.


EDIT: BTW, this scenario of russia conflicting with israel, i've been told, is a sign of the second coming. russia is supposed to be the scattered remnants of the biblical land of gog and magog. when gog attacks israel, then we are in the last days. i'm getting this secondhand so i can't vouch for the details.

wHILE rUSSIA DOES HAVE  "LOOSE NUCLEAR WEAPONS"AS YOU PUT IT, THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THEM TO GET TO Iran.  Infact Russia will side with the USA if it comes to that.  Besides Russia has its own hands full with Checnya (sp) rebels and muslim insurgents.

And if I may remind you, Israel effectively dealt with all of the arab threat during the 6 days war.  I agree that israel is a bully but.......All those arab countries already tried to attack Israel and in a mere SIX (6) days they were routed by the Israeli Armed Forces. Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria decided to attack Israel and got theor asses whipped so badly, that to this day they cannot recover...i doh think dey ready fuh Israel at all, at all, please doh equate Israeli capabilities in dealing with terrorists with the usa...dey much better trained and prepared..it will be a rout!

Boy taking nukes out of the equation. I wonder if the Arab countries would be able to beat israel in a war now? Because Saudi Arabi have been beefing up with AMerican made F16s and other military items. Iran showing they have good ground capabilities[look at how Hezbollah giving israeli ground troop real pressure in the guerilla warfare on the ground] and missiles etc. Just wondering out loud.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: truetrini on August 11, 2006, 08:41:16 AM
Superior air force, superior army. better equipped military, all citizens of Israel are soldiers..ALL!  nah, they still doh have ah chance.

Besides if tings get scary..yuh done know de Jewish lobby along with the Christian right wing coalition go force dis admin tuh jump in and bomb de hell out ah de arabs.

I eh feel it go reach dey because we have Egypt, and Saudi  in de US back pocket as well as Iraq under dey control (so to speak)  And remember the Arab nations have openly condemned Hezbollah fuh de provacation while accusing Israel of too much force.

Is ah real piece ah work going on yes.

And then yuh have de USA rushing bombs to Israel and stalling the call fuh an effective halt to hostilities...is all de USA doing tuh back Israel.

Now take into consideration that the USA illegally invaded and waged war against Iraq and used the threat of terrorism as the excuse....after they had initially said WMD's.

If de USA can claim dey wage war tuh protect they interests,,,how can they condem Israel fuh claiming de same ting.

Israel eh jes decide tuh bomb lebabon without US approval.

So dey we have it.

Poor people and civilians ALWAYS bear the brunt....ALWAYS!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 12, 2006, 11:06:16 AM
Peace in de Middle East..steups  ;D

well both sides accept the peace proposal
it comes into effect quite on Monday
so in the meantime Israel pushing more and more troops as far north as fast as they could in order to occupy more of Lebanon..then they go turn it over to the UN.

ah wonder if during the ceasefire phase Isreal get ah call and somebody say the head man of Hizbollah travelling in ah taxi..if Israel go send in ah drone fuh he tail?
ah know isreal wont really care..but wouldnt that be illegal?
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ndookie on August 12, 2006, 05:21:26 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

Enjoy ...

All you pro-Isreali's...don't suggest you watch this.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 13, 2006, 10:40:03 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

Enjoy ...

All you pro-Isreali's...don't suggest you watch this.

yuh chooking fire wid dis one lol lol

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 13, 2006, 07:40:09 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

Enjoy ...

All you pro-Isreali's...don't suggest you watch this.

Galloway is ah man wit he own axe to grind oui.....so he is ah kinda one sided man right troo

However ah hadda laugh at that interview...when de man start to 'beat up' de woman in de interview...dey TURN DOWN de man microphone oui  :rotfl:...and turn up de sound on de images to drown him out

Only time ah had to give he real props is when he walk up in de U.S. senate and school ALL ah dem...lawd he embarass dem fellahs  :devil:
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ndookie on August 13, 2006, 08:01:03 PM
"What a silly question..."
"What a silly person you are !"

I surprise that woman en cut he sooner..
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: dcs on August 14, 2006, 06:15:14 AM


Their ratings is probably be real high when he is a guest.

He woulda never get to talk so long in the states.
U cud see him on Bill O'Reilly show   :o
Worse yet in the studio....dem woulda fight.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 14, 2006, 06:22:41 AM
preposterous!!!
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on August 14, 2006, 06:23:59 AM


Their ratings is probably be real high when he is a guest.

He woulda never get to talk so long in the states.
U cud see him on Bill O'Reilly show   :o
Worse yet in the studio....dem woulda fight.

Yeah man,,in de states he get he 15 minutes of fame too...but of course dem FOXy fellahs reduce him to mr soundbite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk&eurl=
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 14, 2006, 06:30:52 AM


Their ratings is probably be real high when he is a guest.

He woulda never get to talk so long in the states.
U cud see him on Bill O'Reilly show   :o
Worse yet in the studio....dem woulda fight.

Yeah man,,in de states he get he 15 minutes of fame too...but of course dem FOXy fellahs reduce him to mr soundbite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk&eurl=

dem is not real news network ..MSNBC and Fox.  The closest ting is "The Daily Show"
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on August 14, 2006, 08:33:53 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

Enjoy ...

All you pro-Isreali's...don't suggest you watch this.

galloway is a real star. he didn't stutter or reach for words in that entire interview. yuh tink dubya could do dat? fantastic rhetoretician - the english really set a different standard when it comes to that.

and he reveal a very interesting assumption of the western world when the woman pressed him on the hezbollah kidnap operation. i think the point that she was making, likening it to the ira, was to raise doubt that hezbollah was genuinely interested in using their new found voice in lebanese politics exclusively. i think she's correct in her analysis but it shows that to sky news "democracy" is more important than blood which is level bullshit.

the western world is increasingly defined by how romantic their view is of war. war is something fought in other lands - they even call this "defensive" (orwell would be proud). and the media so far is complicit in presenting the airbrushed version that advertising industry can best work with. i'm hoping this will change when the tv generation - that generation content with receiving news uncritically - die out and are replaced with a new generation that will actively seek out information and find truth.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 14, 2006, 09:35:28 PM
ah wonder wat Galloway will say with the cease fire?

all a dem over there jokey.

Hezbollah say dey win, even though 15 km to de border full of the IDF

Israel say dey win even doh deh bom the hell out of Lebanon and in the hours leading up to the cesasefire, Hezbollah still drop 250 missles on dem.

What dey fail to realize is dat war has no winners.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on August 19, 2006, 06:20:05 PM
Peace in de Middle East..steups  ;D

well both sides accept the peace proposal
it comes into effect quite on Monday
so in the meantime Israel pushing more and more troops as far north as fast as they could in order to occupy more of Lebanon..then they go turn it over to the UN.

ah wonder if during the ceasefire phase Isreal get ah call and somebody say the head man of Hizbollah travelling in ah taxi..if Israel go send in ah drone fuh he tail?
ah know isreal wont really care..but wouldnt that be illegal?

same thing ah was saying..steups

Annan: Israeli raid violates cease-fire

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon on Saturday, engaging in a fierce gunbattle, and the Lebanese government threatened to halt further troop deployments in protest as the 6-day-old U.N.-brokered cease-fire was put to a critical test. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called the operation a violation of the U.N. truce, according to a statement from his spokesman.
 
       Israel said the raid — launched to stop arms smuggling from        Iran and        Syria to the militant Shiite fighters — left one Israeli officer dead and two soldiers wounded.

There were no signs of further clashes, but the flare-up underlined worries about the fragility of the cease-fire as the U.N. pleaded for nations to send troops to an international force in southern Lebanon that is to separate Israeli and Hezbollah fighters.

But with Europe moving slowly to provide more troops, Israel warned it would continue to act on its own to enforce an arms embargo on the Lebanese guerrilla group until the Lebanese army and an expanded U.N. peacekeeping force are in place.

"If the Syrians and Iran continue to arm Hezbollah in violation of the resolution, Israel is entitled to act to defend the principle of the arms embargo," Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "Once the Lebanese army and the international forces are active ... then such Israeli activity will become superfluous."

Defense Minister Elias Murr met with U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen and threatened to halt the movement of Lebanese troops into the former war zone in the south if the        United Nations did not intervene against Israel. That could deeply damage efforts to deploy a strong U.N. peacekeeping force.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert defended the raid during a phone conversation with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, saying it was "intended to prevent the re-supply of new weapons and ammunition for Hezbollah," officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the issue.

The Israeli leader pointed to the importance of the supervision of the Syrian-Lebanese border as well, they said.

The Israeli military also said the raid was launched "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel, especially the smuggling of arms from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah."

The White House declined to criticize the raid, noting that Israel said it acted in reaction to arms smuggling into Lebanon and that the U.N. resolution calls for the prevention of resupplying Hezbollah with weapons.

The broad outlines of the U.N. cease-fire plan call on Hezbollah to halt all attacks and for Israel to stop offensive operations. It gives Israel the right to respond if attacked, but the commandos were flown in by helicopter and the raid took place far from Israeli troops in southern Lebanon.

Israel did not identify the officer killed in the raid. Hezbollah issued a terse statement saying guerrillas "ambushed" the commando force and suffered no casualties. Lebanese security officials said three guerrillas were killed and three wounded.

The security officials said the commandos flew in by helicopter to a hill outside the village of Boudai west of Baalbek in eastern Lebanon, about 17 miles from the Syrian border. Witnesses said Israeli missiles destroyed a bridge during the fighting.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the media, said the Israelis apparently were seeking a guerrilla target in a nearby school but they had no other details.

Lebanese media speculated that Sheik Mohammed Yazbeck, a senior Hezbollah official in the Bekaa Valley and a member of the group's executive council, may have been the target. Yazbeck is a native of Boudai.

The Israeli army denied it had captured any Hezbollah fighter, and said it had not been the raid's objective.

Overflights by Israeli jet fighters drowned out the clatter of helicopters that flew the commandos into the foothills of the central Lebanese mountains, local Hezbollah officials said.

Using two vehicles also delivered by helicopter, the commandos drove into Boudai and were intercepted by Hezbollah fighters in a field, the officials said. They said the Israelis identified themselves as Lebanese soldiers, but the guerrillas grew suspicious and gunfire erupted.

Israeli helicopters fired missiles as the commandos withdrew and flew them out of the area an hour later, the Hezbollah officials said.

Witnesses reported seeing bandages and syringes at the landing site outside Boudai. The bridge that witnesses said was destroyed was about 500 yards from the landing site.

The U.N. and Lebanon's government have said Hezbollah will not be allowed to bring weapons out in public, but have declined to commit to trying to disarm the guerrillas, as called for in a September 2004 U.N. resolution.

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on August 22, 2006, 09:06:20 AM
Feliz, you make a point there. me, ah doh care if hezbollah and idf tear each other apart. the ceasefire at the very least gives some peace of mind to the lebanese citizens - aid supplies can flow, rebuilding efforts can be attempted and the bombing campaign is, at the very least, interrupted.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Themanfriday on August 28, 2006, 06:56:46 AM
Let's hope it stays that way
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on September 12, 2006, 01:36:35 PM

1979??!! - that's 27 years. Qantar was 17 years old at the time.



Israel soldiers won't be freed without swap: Hizbollah (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-09-12T191747Z_01_L12809164_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C2-TopNews-newsOne-3)

DUBAI (Reuters) - Hizbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said in remarks aired on Tuesday his group would only release the two Israeli soldiers it kidnapped if Israel freed Samir al-Qantar, a Lebanese prisoner held by the Jewish state since 1979.

"After all that happened and this ends without Samir?" Nasrallah told Al Jazeera television in an interview.

Nasrallah stopped short of saying the group would not set the release of other prisoners as part of its conditions.

"There are other prisoners," the interviewer said.


"You ask me, will there be a deal without Samir, I say no ... Absolutely not," Nasrallah answered.

Israel's foreign ministry had no immediate comment.

Nasrallah said he expected a U.N. "mediator" to visit Lebanon next week to try to secure a deal for the release of the two Israeli soldiers the group kidnapped in July.

"He was supposed to come late last week and he is expected to come next week, but negotiations have not yet started."

Nasrallah said the envoy is European but did not give more details.

The kidnapping of the two soldiers triggered a 34-day war between Israel and the guerrilla group.

The Iran-backed group has declared at the outset of the war the goal was to exchange the soldiers for Lebanese and Palestinians detained in Israel.

Qantar, 44, is the longest-held Lebanese detainee.. He was captured during a 1979 attack on northern Israel by a Palestinian guerrilla group in which an Israeli policeman, another man and his four-year-old daughter were killed.

In 2004, Hizbollah and Israel exchanged the bodies of three Israeli soldiers captured in 2000 and a kidnapped Israeli businessman for 400 Palestinian and 23 Lebanese and Arab prisoners in a German-brokered deal.

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on September 12, 2006, 05:57:38 PM
and was just this weekend ah was checking old news to see if them 2 soldiers did get released lol
so much for invading to get their soldiers back..ceasefire come and gone and still no soldiers lol
as if dat was Israel priority anyway  ;D
Title: Udate: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on May 22, 2007, 07:47:37 AM
It never ends

Here is a timeline and update on Lebanon


TIMELINE, Reuters


February, 2005

Former prime minister Rafik alHariri is killed by a bomb in Beirut. Two months later, under international pressure, Syria ends its 29year military presence in Lebanon. J


July, 2006

Israel strikes Lebanon after Hezbollah guerrillas abduct Israeli soldiers. At least 1,200 people die in Lebanon in 34 days of fighting.


November, 2006

Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel is killed by gunmen as his convoy drives through the Christian Sin el-Fil neighbourhood of Beirut.

December, 2006

The opposition, which also includes the Shiite Amal faction and Christian leader Michel Aoun, begins an open-ended campaign in central Beirut to topple the government.


January, 2007

A general strike is called by the Hezbollah-led opposition to dislodge Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and his proWestern government.

March, 2007

Rivals antiSyrian majority leader Saad al-Hariri, a Sunni Muslim, and Shiite Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, a key opposition leader, meet for the first time in four months to discuss ways to end the political crisis.


May 20-21, 2007

Lebanese troops battle al Qaeda-linked militants, members of the Fatah al-Islam militant group, in northern Lebanon and at least 71 people are killed, 27 of them soldiers, after security forces raid homes in Tripoli to arrest suspects accused of robbing a bank a day earlier.


**************************************************************************************


REFUGEE CAMP A BATTLEFIELD
Thousands flee deadly fighting in Lebanon, Militants threaten to move the battle beyond Tripoli
BY NAZIH SIDDIQ

NAHR AL-BARED, LEBANON

Battles engulfed a Palestinian refugee camp in north Lebanon yesterday in the second day of fighting between the Lebanese army and al-Qaeda-inspired militants that has killed 79 people.

Black smoke billowed from the Nahr al-Bared camp, home to 40,000 Palestinians, as tanks shelled positions held by Fatah al-Islam fighters hitting back with machine gun and grenade fire.

Palestinians in the camp said thousands had fled their homes on the edges of Nahr al-Bared, where fighting was most intense, to shelter deeper inside the coastal camp in north Lebanon.

We are under siege, Palestinian Hisham Yacoub said by telephone from within the camp. Theres no water, no electricity or milk for the children, said Mohammed Abu Laila, also talking by phone from the camp.

The fighting had stopped United Nations and Red Cross workers from delivering essential supplies. More than 150 people had been wounded and dozens of homes destroyed, Palestinian sources said.

Abu Salim, a spokesman for Fatah al-Islam, threatened to ignite violence elsewhere if the army did not ease its bombardment. If the situation stays like this, we will not be silent and will definitely move the battle outside [the nearby city] of Tripoli, he said by telephone.

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Trini Madness on May 22, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
i was watching this yesterday on cnn international,  live battles. here we go again...
Title: Re: Udate: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Trini Madness on May 22, 2007, 11:01:13 AM
It never ends

Here is a timeline and update on Lebanon


TIMELINE, Reuters


February, 2005

Former prime minister Rafik alHariri is killed by a bomb in Beirut. Two months later, under international pressure, Syria ends its 29year military presence in Lebanon. J


July, 2006

Israel strikes Lebanon after Hezbollah guerrillas abduct Israeli soldiers. At least 1,200 people die in Lebanon in 34 days of fighting.


November, 2006

Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel is killed by gunmen as his convoy drives through the Christian Sin el-Fil neighbourhood of Beirut.

December, 2006

The opposition, which also includes the Shiite Amal faction and Christian leader Michel Aoun, begins an open-ended campaign in central Beirut to topple the government.


January, 2007

A general strike is called by the Hezbollah-led opposition to dislodge Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and his proWestern government.

March, 2007

Rivals antiSyrian majority leader Saad al-Hariri, a Sunni Muslim, and Shiite Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, a key opposition leader, meet for the first time in four months to discuss ways to end the political crisis.


May 20-21, 2007

Lebanese troops battle al Qaeda-linked militants, members of the Fatah al-Islam militant group, in northern Lebanon and at least 71 people are killed, 27 of them soldiers, after security forces raid homes in Tripoli to arrest suspects accused of robbing a bank a day earlier.


**************************************************************************************


REFUGEE CAMP A BATTLEFIELD
Thousands flee deadly fighting in Lebanon, Militants threaten to move the battle beyond Tripoli
BY NAZIH SIDDIQ

NAHR AL-BARED, LEBANON

Battles engulfed a Palestinian refugee camp in north Lebanon yesterday in the second day of fighting between the Lebanese army and al-Qaeda-inspired militants that has killed 79 people.

Black smoke billowed from the Nahr al-Bared camp, home to 40,000 Palestinians, as tanks shelled positions held by Fatah al-Islam fighters hitting back with machine gun and grenade fire.

Palestinians in the camp said thousands had fled their homes on the edges of Nahr al-Bared, where fighting was most intense, to shelter deeper inside the coastal camp in north Lebanon.

We are under siege, Palestinian Hisham Yacoub said by telephone from within the camp. Theres no water, no electricity or milk for the children, said Mohammed Abu Laila, also talking by phone from the camp.

The fighting had stopped United Nations and Red Cross workers from delivering essential supplies. More than 150 people had been wounded and dozens of homes destroyed, Palestinian sources said.

Abu Salim, a spokesman for Fatah al-Islam, threatened to ignite violence elsewhere if the army did not ease its bombardment. If the situation stays like this, we will not be silent and will definitely move the battle outside [the nearby city] of Tripoli, he said by telephone.



i just heard that de lebanese government is HELPING dem militant groups :o :o....so who de lebanese army fighting for then? i confused  ???
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on May 22, 2007, 11:34:29 AM
join de club ... i feel dey forget what de fighting about too ... all dey knowi is to fight
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on May 23, 2007, 08:57:07 PM
Wey Toppa?

Food for thought ....

How come nobody accusing de Leabanese government of a terrorism after dey drop missiles on the refugee camp the militant group camping out in .. .15,000 civilian abandoned the camp after the bombing started.

I seem to recall when Israel began to drop missile, some accuse them of terrorism
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Feliziano on May 23, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
ah kinda confused too
who against who and for what reasons exactly?
all ah know so far is dat some Islamic militant group (with Al-Qaieda style principles) inside a Palestinian refugee camp which is inside Lebanon.
so is Lebanon trying to crush them to make it look like they fighting terrorism?
where Hezbollah and Hamas in all dis?
where David Nahkid too?  ;D

Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Trini Madness on May 24, 2007, 10:27:55 AM
ah kinda confused too
who against who and for what reasons exactly?
all ah know so far is dat some Islamic militant group (with Al-Qaieda style principles) inside a Palestinian refugee camp which is inside Lebanon.
so is Lebanon trying to crush them to make it look like they fighting terrorism?
where Hezbollah and Hamas in all dis?
where David Nahkid too?  ;D



some new group call "fatah al islam" from de refugee camp robbed a bank.....dize de reason why all that sh*t start.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: Dutty on May 24, 2007, 01:24:18 PM
Leh wee see if the news go take wind of this one and knock the lebanese domestic skirmish out of the headlines



Bush Authorizes New Covert Action Against Iran
May 22, 2007 6:29 PM

Brian Ross and Richard Esposito Report:

The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a "nonlethal presidential finding" that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions.

"I can't confirm or deny whether such a program exists or whether the president signed it, but it would be consistent with an overall American approach trying to find ways to put pressure on the regime," said Bruce Riedel, a recently retired CIA senior official who dealt with Iran and other countries in the region.

Click Here to See Photos of the Players in Another Iran Operation -- the Iran-Contra Affair: Where Are They Now?

A National Security Council spokesperson, Gordon Johndroe, said, "The White House does not comment on intelligence matters." A CIA spokesperson said, "As a matter of course, we do not comment on allegations of covert activity."

The sources say the CIA developed the covert plan over the last year and received approval from White House officials and other officials in the intelligence community.

Officials say the covert plan is designed to pressure Iran to stop its nuclear enrichment program and end aid to insurgents in Iraq.

"There are some channels where the United States government may want to do things without its hand showing, and legally, therefore, the administration would, if it's doing that, need an intelligence finding and would need to tell the Congress," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, a former White House counterterrorism official.
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on May 24, 2007, 02:50:46 PM



Bush Authorizes New Covert Action Against Iran
May 22, 2007 6:29 PM

The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.



Dutty .. ah hear yuh gorn ...(according to my source)

Yuh taking part in dat covert "black" operation?

Good luck pardna ... happy coverting

 :o
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on June 01, 2007, 09:24:28 AM
And so it continues




By Nazih Siddiq 2 hours, 22 minutes ago

NAHR AL-BARED, Lebanon (Reuters) - Battles raged around a Palestinian refugee camp in north Lebanon on Friday as Lebanese troops tried to tighten the noose around al Qaeda-inspired militants holed up there.


Security sources said elite forces were trying to dislodge the group called Fatah al-Islam from some front positions on the edge of Nahr al-Bared camp while artillery batteries pounded the area. A Fatah al-Islam source said the militants had repulsed all attacks on its positions in seven hours of fierce fighting.

The army has been battling militants in the camp -- many of them foreign fighters, Lebanese authorities say -- since May 20 in Lebanon's worst internal violence since the 1975-1990 civil war. At least 84 people -- 35 soldiers, 29 militants and 20 civilians -- have been killed.

.......

The camp, set up in 1948 as a temporary tent camp to house Palestinian refugees fleeing their homes after the creation of Israel, is now a small town with small concrete buildings and narrow alleyways.

Read de rest here

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070601/ts_nm/lebanon_fighting_dc_8
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: ribbit on August 16, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
oh shucks - look they made a video game out of it ....

==

Hezbollah video game: War with Israel (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/16/hezbollah.game.reut/index.html)

BEIRUT, Lebanon (Reuters) -- Raid Israel to capture soldiers, battle tanks in the valleys of southern Lebanon and launch Katyusha rockets at Israeli towns -- a new Hezbollah computer game puts players on the frontline of war with the Jewish state.

(http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/WORLD/meast/08/16/hezbollah.game.reut/art.beirut.gi.jpg)

Some 1,200 people were killed in Lebanon in last year's conflict.



"Special Force 2" is based on last year's 34-day conflict between the Lebanese guerrilla group and Israel.

"This game presents the culture of the resistance to children: that occupation must be resisted and that land and the nation must be guarded," Hezbollah media official Sheikh Ali Daher said.

But Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev responded by saying: ''It should come as a surprise to no one that Hezbollah teaches children that hatred and violence are positive attributes.''

Designed by Hezbollah computer experts, players of "Special Force 2" take the role of a Hezbollah fighter, or Mujahid. Weapons and points are accumulated by killing Israeli soldiers.

The game, launched on Thursday, recreates key phases of the conflict, which was triggered when Hezbollah forces raided northern Israel and captured two soldiers, saying they wanted to negotiate a prisoner swap.

Hezbollah takes huge pride in its military performance in the war, which killed 158 Israelis, mainly soldiers. Some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, were killed in Lebanon.

Israel says Hezbollah was weakened in the conflict, in which the group was forced out of its strongholds along the Israeli border and an expanded international peacekeeping force deployed in southern Lebanon under a U.N.-brokered cease-fire.

Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim group backed by Iran and Syria, declared the outcome of the conflict a "divine victory."

"Through this game the child can build an idea of some of ... the most prominent battles and the idea that this enemy can be defeated," Daher said.

The game retails at about $10 in Lebanon and is produced by volunteers. Hezbollah is expecting strong demand for the game at home and abroad. Hundreds of copies have been reserved in advance in Lebanon.

The 3-D game forces players to think and use their resources wisely, reflecting the way Hezbollah fights, Daher said.

"The features which are the secret of resistance's victory in the south have moved to this game so that the child can understand that fighting the enemy does not only require the gun.

"It requires readiness, supplies, armament, attentiveness, tactics."
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on August 16, 2007, 10:58:52 AM
is funny you post this today

This week is the one year anniversary of the start of the war
Title: Re: War in Lebanon (Escape from Lebanon)
Post by: pecan on May 13, 2008, 05:24:30 AM


so a year and 3/4 after the war began, here is an update on the state of Lebanon

Lebanons endless war  The National Post May 13, 2008

The Palestinians and Israelis get all the attention. But it is on the tiny sliver of Mediterranean coast known as Lebanon that the political dysfunction of the Middle East is truly epitomized.

Beirut was a major centre in Ottoman times: Indeed, the territory that is now Israel was once ruled from that city. It retained its prominence under the French, and became a freewheeling, sophisticated hub for wealthy Arabs looking to escape the Bedouin parochialism of their native countries.

And then, in the 1970s, it all fell apart and hasnt really come together since.

Lebanons civil war which nominally ended in 1990 involved Syria, Israel and a variety of other regional actors. But essentially, it came down to the fact that the Arab worlds Shiites, Sunnis, Druze and Christians could not share the same nation without repressing (and occasionally killing) one another. In most parts of the Middle East Saudi Arabia, for example these groups are sufficiently dispersed to avoid blowing one another up. In Lebanon, they live cheek by jowl.

As in any narrative of Arab dysfunction, the Palestinians have played a supporting role. When the PLO wore out its welcome in Jordan in the early 1970s, Yasser Arafat moved his military infrastructure to Lebanon, complicating the countrys civil war further. Israel invaded in 1982, threw Arafat out, and then stuck around to fight Irans Shiite proxy force, Hezbollah which itself has outlasted the Israeli presence, and made itself a major nuisance.

Skipping over the 2006 war with Israel (among other major events), this brings us to last week, when Hezbollahs confrontation with West Beirut based Sunni supporters of the countrys moderate, semi-functional government (whose politicians did we mention? are still occasionally blown up by a Syrian military apparatus that resents having been kicked out of the country in 2005) threatened to bring the country into complete chaos. Got all that? Who won last weeks confrontation in Beirut? Its hard to say. On one hand, Hezbollah showed its street strength, and got the government to back down on a plan to strip away its private communications and security network. On the other hand, most Lebanese factions seem to blame Hezbollah for staging such a dangerous provocation, and for humiliating the countrys Sunnis. No one knows which side would win an all-out civil war. All we know is that the prospects of such a war are now greater than they were a week ago.

Colonialism, oil, Israel and the Iraq war are all regularly cited as the bogeymen responsible for the backwardness that pervades the Middle East. Lebanons failure to become a normal country after all these years suggests there is something more basic at the root of the regions problems: a regressive climate in which power is wielded not through consensus and diplomacy, but by warring sects and clan leaders.


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