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Sports => Football => Topic started by: banton on March 25, 2007, 08:38:41 AM
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there is a great difference between great players and legends.concacaf countries all have good players and then there are great players and then there are legends persons who can put fright in players and is known throughout concacaf and the world for instance mexico has
good player plancia borgetti
great player blanco,hernandez,marquez
legends hugo sanchez
t&t
good-andrews
great-john,edwards
legends-yorke,latapy
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porquito magico
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Deleon, MVP 1969
Gally, MVP 1974
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They are great!!!!1
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While Yorke & Latapy are legends for us trinis, I hardly doubt that we could classify them as legends on the world stage, for two simple reasons:
(1) Latapy never played for the greatest clubs on earth, Real Madrid or Manchester United (as Sanchez & Yorke did). Even though men like Maradonna & Pele didn't play for these 2 clubs, they won WC's.
(2) Yorke will become a legend. The fact that he is still playing makes it sort of inappropriate to call him a legend. Just like sainthood, they make people saints many years after they acheived whatever good they did.
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Horace Boxhill = good
Chuck Blazer = great
Jack Warner = Legend
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Horace Boxhill = good
Chuck Blazer = great
Jack Warner = Legend
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Dat is ah good one :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Robbie Earle
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Warren Archibald
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David Nakhid = Great Player
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Warren Archibald - MVP NASL
Steve David - MVP NASL
Leroy Deleon - MVP NASL
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Themanfriday- Legend
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Warren Archibald - MVP NASL
Steve David - MVP NASL
Leroy Deleon - MVP NASL
All Point Fortin Men ;D :notworthy:
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In T&T, Jamaica and some parts of Scotland..Latas is a legend, or will achieve legendary status when he retires. In Concacaf he would not be considered as such. He hasn't done enough on the Concacaf stage or the International arena for most outside of T&T to consider him anything other than a very talented player.
Yorke is far more well known to Americans, Mexicans and Concacaf at large. In fact, I would bet that Shaka Hislop has a bigger reputation in Concacaf due to his EPL days and now that he plays in the MLS and he got to play and really shine in the WC.
I would put money that Yorke and Shaka would make modern day Concacaf Legend's list before Latas.
T&T: Yorke, Hislop
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raul....dat is assness
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In T&T, Jamaica and some parts of Scotland..Latas is a legend, or will achieve legendary status when he retires. In Concacaf he would not be considered as such. He hasn't done enough on the Concacaf stage or the International arena for most outside of T&T to consider him anything other than a very talented player.
Yorke is far more well known to Americans, Mexicans and Concacaf at large. In fact, I would bet that Shaka Hislop has a bigger reputation in Concacaf due to his EPL days and now that he plays in the MLS and he got to play and really shine in the WC.
I would put money that Yorke and Shaka would make modern day Concacaf Legend's list before Latas.
T&T: Yorke, Hislop
Filho...Latapy is a big name in Portugal.
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In T&T, Jamaica and some parts of Scotland..Latas is a legend, or will achieve legendary status when he retires. In Concacaf he would not be considered as such. He hasn't done enough on the Concacaf stage or the International arena for most outside of T&T to consider him anything other than a very talented player.
Yorke is far more well known to Americans, Mexicans and Concacaf at large. In fact, I would bet that Shaka Hislop has a bigger reputation in Concacaf due to his EPL days and now that he plays in the MLS and he got to play and really shine in the WC.
I would put money that Yorke and Shaka would make modern day Concacaf Legend's list before Latas.
T&T: Yorke, Hislop
Filho...Latapy is a big name in Portugal.
So he is in Haiti.
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Legend among opponents or fan ?Among opponents am sure he a legend<ask them> .Fan who don" know is there loss oui ,cause them eh fans .
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In T&T, Jamaica and some parts of Scotland..Latas is a legend, or will achieve legendary status when he retires. In Concacaf he would not be considered as such. He hasn't done enough on the Concacaf stage or the International arena for most outside of T&T to consider him anything other than a very talented player.
Yorke is far more well known to Americans, Mexicans and Concacaf at large. In fact, I would bet that Shaka Hislop has a bigger reputation in Concacaf due to his EPL days and now that he plays in the MLS and he got to play and really shine in the WC.
I would put money that Yorke and Shaka would make modern day Concacaf Legend's list before Latas.
T&T: Yorke, Hislop
Filho...Latapy is a big name in Portugal.
Latapy is definitely a big name in Oporto in Portugal..but he is not a legend there and he definitely is not a legend in all of Portugal. I went to school with a Portuguese guy who loved Latas and said he is remembered by the fans of his generation, but his time there was short and he was not always a starter. Porto is a big club and when you talking legends you talking fellas like Jardel and Jorge Costa...Latas would not be consider a legend there. He is probably a legend at Academica tho'. Didn't think of that. But I still don't think his status in Portugal comes close to his status in Scotland...where he is arguably approaching legendary status
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Legendary status is relative...
Legend implies that you will "forever" be renowned and remembered. A legend's reputation transcends time and generations.
Call me harsh, but there are currently no Trinidad players that absolutely fit that bill outside of Trinidad...
Latapy ? Arguably at Falkirk & Hibs...
Yorke ? Arguably at Man U or Villa....and only barely
Will Dwight Yorke Man U or Villa shirts & Posters be hot selling items 20 years from now ? maybe, maybe not....
The thing about it is, legendary status is not attained mererly by merit and ability, and it often takes something other than extraordinary ability to propel an individual into legendary status- eg..a crucial goal when the stakes were highest -(Kerry Jamerson is arguably a local legend), a memorable celebration ,a career comeback in the face of adversity, a tragic accident, a long career at one particular club/club loyalty, maintenance of good form at an old age (Latapy at Falkirk), a highly controversial or eccentric personality, humanitarian efforts outside of the game,.....or sometimes just the right amount of hype- believe it or not, David Beckham is probably already a footballing legend both in Manchester and world wide.....
Latapy & Yorke (and others) are without a doubt local (In T&T) footballing legends. I wouldn't yet venture to go any further than that.
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So is there anyone on CONCACAF that we can agree on(based on kicker's eloquent definition) that would be a bonefide LEGEND of the game??
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So is there anyone on CONCACAF that we can agree on(based on kicker's eloquent definition) that would be a bonefide LEGEND of the game??
hugo sanchez
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I agree with that one
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By Con standards.
St. Louis ...........good
Nakhid.........Great
Latas.........legend
However, those would be by Con standards.
Jughead could have played for any Con country in his day.
Had to contend with Latas and Alvin Thomas.
Today would have laughed his way on to a TT team.
Peace,
VB
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In all honesty, you have to water down what you mean by legend when you are talking about Concacaf. There are no Peles, Maradonas, Beckenbauers, Cruyffs, Zicos etc..coming out of this region. Very few players will be household names 20 years after they retire, the way true legends like these guys are remembered...except for maybe Hugo Sanchez...For the most part you have to look at local legends who have some international appeal and whose names are practically known by everyone in the region..like Yorke, Rafa Marquez and even fellas like Wanchope...Kicker is right in his assessment. And some people here feel it has something to do with talent. Not entirely...Latas is not a Concacaf legend. I guarantee more people in Concacaf know more about Stern John than Latapy. Sorry, but a key ingredient to gaining legendary status is fame
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yeah I guess the gradation goes:
hometown legend (eg P.O.S., Sando)
local/national legend (T&T)
regional legend (CONCACAF)
Int'l club legend (eg. ManU)
Global legend
Yorke is the closest thing in Trini to reaching the highest legendary status.....because he was instumental in achieving the treble for one of the world's most celebrated clubs (plus his reputation for partying & womanizing)...capped off by his very honorable return to int'l football by leading us to and through the W.Cup. He is undoubtedly the most globally celebrated T&T player, and I would say top 10 in the region (concacaf) in the last 10 years or so.....
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Archie, Dilly and Gally!!!!
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Oooops! One more. Steve David.
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How come St Louis so good to many and yet he never made the T&T side on a consistent basis ? I saw him play and yes he real nice on de ball, but how come he never got picked regular.
Carlos Edwards...........good
Russell Latapy.........great
Dwight Yorke.........legend
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El magico...no not Latapy..The one from El Salvador. Doh even know what de man real name was.
Best dribbler from Concacaf hands down. Best I've seen in the world to date. That man was spannering man through dey legs on a regular basis. Yuh ever see ah in de air spanner?
He might not be a legend in TNT or even the Caribbean but every single Central American Football fan will know him. He played in Spain but me eh know how big he is over dey.
Big big player!!
I'll see if I can google some info on him.
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El magico...no not Latapy..The one from El Salvador. Doh even know what de man real name was.
Best dribbler from Concacaf hands down. Best I've seen in the world to date. That man was spannering man through dey legs on a regular basis. Yuh ever see ah in de air spanner?
He might not be a legend in TNT or even the Caribbean but every single Central American Football fan will know him. He played in Spain but me eh know how big he is over dey.
Big big player!!
I'll see if I can google some info on him.
one word gorean highley
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I have seen Magico Gonzales in his prime on Spanish TV playing for a Div 1 team in Spain in the 80's. I can't remember the team. He REAL flicking bad. I dont think he played for ES in the Spain WC. I do not know why. But He was real BAD
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Paul Caligiuri
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Paul Caligiuri
This nomination is not allowed.
Paul Caligiuri whilst becominga legend in his own right, by peforming a historic feat, at the same time caused a nation of 1.2 million to go into 16 years of mourning......such acts have nullified any legendary status which may be bestowed upon him. ;D
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Paul Caligiuri
One hit wonders do not count ;D
Big Up!
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El magico...no not Latapy..The one from El Salvador. Doh even know what de man real name was.
Best dribbler from Concacaf hands down. Best I've seen in the world to date. That man was spannering man through dey legs on a regular basis. Yuh ever see ah in de air spanner?
He might not be a legend in TNT or even the Caribbean but every single Central American Football fan will know him. He played in Spain but me eh know how big he is over dey.
Big big player!!
I'll see if I can google some info on him.
one word gorean highley
banton that is two words... :rotfl:
Anyhow I think in the Caribbean Latapy could be considered a Legend...Dwight Yorke will definitely be considered a Legend....What Latapy has done in Scotland is invaluable...We are talking about the best Midfielder in Scottish Football in 10 years...He has dominated that league which may not seem like much because the Scottish league is not the highest European Football, BUt to maintain a level of consistency for so long is something very hard...I read someone say he didn't do on the international scale the same thing...Latapy brought inspiration back to our camp for the World Cup...He Brought his genius but most of all he inspired the team...Compare that Zidane for France...Even though Zidane wasn't at his best before the World Cup and the media was calling for his head, he brought inspiration back to French(when he couldn't play his best)....Latapy prove in the Paraguay game that he is best thing on a ball T&T produce even at 30-late....In Any criteria Latapy is a Legend...I am sure people from other CONCACAF nations would be saying 10 years from now, "Latapy for T&T was a magnificant player, That guy could carve something out of nothing"...
Legends of this generation
DWIGHT YORKE ....of Course
Wanchope
Latapy
From past:
Hugo Sanchez
Rafa Marquez good but he not Dwight good....Marquez was just part of the team and not the main man like Yorke
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Rafa Marquez good but he not Dwight good....Marquez was just part of the team and not the main man like Yorke
Not so sure about that. Marquez is probably 'Dwight' good but he is a defender and defenders hardly ever get the same props as a forward. Marquez' form this season has been pretty poor, but every player has their lows. But you are probably right...for one season, Yorke was the best forward in all of Europe and even htough these htings are subjective..I cannot argue with anyone who feel Yorke at his prime was better than Marquez is now. But I remember that ManU treble winning season and I have to disagree with the idea that Yorke was THE main man for ManU. He was A main man. His goals and all round link up play were essential, but ManU was a great (and ultimately very very lucky) team. United were full of players all over the field who were just as important as Yorke. For example, Schmeichel was arguably a more irreplaceable player than anyone else on that team. Other members of that team like Keane, Irwin, Beckham, Giggs, Stam and Scholes will be remembered as being just as influential as Yorkie. Yorke was part of the treble winning team.......his contribution was pricless, among a host of other priceless contributions
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Paul Caligiuri
Those two words were banned from this website...didn't you get the memo? :)
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El magico...no not Latapy..The one from El Salvador. Doh even know what de man real name was.
Best dribbler from Concacaf hands down. Best I've seen in the world to date. That man was spannering man through dey legs on a regular basis. Yuh ever see ah in de air spanner?
He might not be a legend in TNT or even the Caribbean but every single Central American Football fan will know him. He played in Spain but me eh know how big he is over dey.
Big big player!!
I'll see if I can google some info on him.
El magico....El Salvador's finest (Concacaf too?)....allyuh enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAsXozyqK5Y&mode=related&search=
More El Magico...this man was madness....He is the stuff of legends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMemVOhSLRw&NR