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Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water
By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Tue, 11 Sep 2007, 11:41AM
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ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.
John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.
The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.
Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.
The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.
The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.
"This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Roy said. "Seeing it burn gives me the chills."
Roy will meet this week with officials from the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense to try to obtain research funding.
The scientists want to find out whether the energy output from the burning hydrogen — which reached a heat of more than 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit — would be enough to power a car or other heavy machinery.
"We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads," Roy said. "The potential is huge."
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Great...so now dem boy lookin to use up de all de seawater on de earth to drive dey old car
I hope that research hits a brick wall
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Great...so now dem boy lookin to use up de all de seawater on de earth to drive dey old car
I hope that research hits a brick wall
But we're in global warming - all the sea water we use up will just be replaced by melting ice bergs keeping everything at a level :D
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I think when you burn Hydrogen you get water instead of carbon dioxide as the main by-product.
Not sure what bi-product the sodium would form...Na2O? traces of white powder?
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I think when you burn Hydrogen you get water instead of carbon dioxide as the main by-product.
Not sure what bi-product the sodium would form...Na2O? traces of white powder?
u mean when u durn water u get H. cause if u coulda burn hydrogen and get water..i woulda open ah business..l0l
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The real question for me is are you getting out more energy than you are putting in? Is there potential energy being released in this process? Or is so much energy needed to produce the radio waves that you're not really getting anything out of it.
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here is some info on using Hydrogen (http://hydrogennow.org/Facts/FAQs.htm)
another article here (http://www.physorg.com/news70207345.html)
and for those who want to go NetTubing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6vSxR6UKFM) ;D
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I think when you burn Hydrogen you get water instead of carbon dioxide as the main by-product.
Not sure what bi-product the sodium would form...Na2O? traces of white powder?
u mean when u durn water u get H. cause if u coulda burn hydrogen and get water..i woulda open ah business..l0l
No.
The radio frequencies free up the Hydrogen gas (H2) from the water (H2O).
And burning something is just oxidation so basically reversing the process to combine H2 gas with Oxygen to get back the water.
E-man I was wondering the same thing but maybe it still useful even if there is no net energy gain. Could look at it as a way to store energy in a clean burning fuel by producing the hydrogen gas to be used remotely. Also converting one type of energy into another....whatever the source of the radio freq power (electricity probably) to a more explosive type source.
I skeptical though. I wonder what the frequency is and if people could set this up with the right equipment or if is some crazy amount of power needed to produce one bubble :D
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Here's a video demonstation of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk
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What is the waste product of burnt salt water ?
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What is the waste product of burnt salt water ?
Brown seaweed??
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Here's a video demonstation of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk
well the cure for cancer attempt is a noble enough effort...hope he succeeds
and as a bonus, that newsclip make me just want to rub mih hands all over de anchorwoman silk blouse
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo
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The real question for me is are you getting out more energy than you are putting in? Is there potential energy being released in this process? Or is so much energy needed to produce the radio waves that you're not really getting anything out of it.
No problem man. Jus tune yuh radio to station Hot 666!
I am wondering the same thing. If it occurs at a low power level it could work to augment traditional sources of heat and power.
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The cure for cancer didn't work by the way... he died earlier this year according to a follow-up story on 60 Minutes.
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I think when you burn Hydrogen you get water instead of carbon dioxide as the main by-product.
Not sure what bi-product the sodium would form...Na2O? traces of white powder?
u mean when u durn water u get H. cause if u coulda burn hydrogen and get water..i woulda open ah business..l0l
No.
The radio frequencies free up the Hydrogen gas (H2) from the water (H2O).
And burning something is just oxidation so basically reversing the process to combine H2 gas with Oxygen to get back the water.
E-man I was wondering the same thing but maybe it still useful even if there is no net energy gain. Could look at it as a way to store energy in a clean burning fuel by producing the hydrogen gas to be used remotely. Also converting one type of energy into another....whatever the source of the radio freq power (electricity probably) to a more explosive type source.
I skeptical though. I wonder what the frequency is and if people could set this up with the right equipment or if is some crazy amount of power needed to produce one bubble :D
In the video the flame burns with a bright yellow color, since Hydrogen burns with an virtually invisible flame this is an indication that Sodium is being oxidised. So it seems to me that Sodium Oxide would be produced which would combine with water in the air and produce Sodium Hydroxide.
Furthermore wouldn't releasing Hydrogen from the water molecule also produce Hydroxide ions thereby creating a basic solution? I'm leaning on Sixth form Chemistry here but I remember that water is not H2O but HOH....a Hydride(H-) ion bonded to a Hydroxide (+OH) ion.
The more I think about this is more confused I become......What happens to the Chlorine in the salt?
???
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Is the water good enough to drink after the oxidization?
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I think when you burn Hydrogen you get water instead of carbon dioxide as the main by-product.
Not sure what bi-product the sodium would form...Na2O? traces of white powder?
u mean when u durn water u get H. cause if u coulda burn hydrogen and get water..i woulda open ah business..l0l
No.
The radio frequencies free up the Hydrogen gas (H2) from the water (H2O).
And burning something is just oxidation so basically reversing the process to combine H2 gas with Oxygen to get back the water.
E-man I was wondering the same thing but maybe it still useful even if there is no net energy gain. Could look at it as a way to store energy in a clean burning fuel by producing the hydrogen gas to be used remotely. Also converting one type of energy into another....whatever the source of the radio freq power (electricity probably) to a more explosive type source.
I skeptical though. I wonder what the frequency is and if people could set this up with the right equipment or if is some crazy amount of power needed to produce one bubble :D
In the video the flame burns with a bright yellow color, since Hydrogen burns with an virtually invisible flame this is an indication that Sodium is being oxidised. So it seems to me that Sodium Oxide would be produced which would combine with water in the air and produce Sodium Hydroxide.
Furthermore wouldn't releasing Hydrogen from the water molecule also produce Hydroxide ions thereby creating a basic solution? I'm leaning on Sixth form Chemistry here but I remember that water is not H2O but HOH....a Hydride(H-) ion bonded to a Hydroxide (+OH) ion.
The more I think about this is more confused I become......What happens to the Chlorine in the salt?
???
The Na+ and Cl- doesn't come into play except maybe as a catalyst since I'm not sure if you can do this with distilled water, but the process is simply H2O + radio energy -> H2 and O2. Then in a reverse process the H2 and O2 burn and convert back to H2O.
and yeah you're right about the structure of H2O is H-O-H with the bonds at about a 104.5 degree angle.
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Can yuh drink the Wahwah??????
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Can yuh drink the Wahwah??????
If the 'burned' water is being captured in another separate vessel from the original salt water (no longer salty) then there's no reason why you can't.
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E-Man if the salt is just a catalyst and only hydrogen and oxygen are being combusted how do you account for the bright yellow flame in the video?
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E-Man if the salt is just a catalyst and only hydrogen and oxygen are being combusted how do you account for the bright yellow flame in the video?
hahahahahahaha good question Panther!
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E-Man if the salt is just a catalyst and only hydrogen and oxygen are being combusted how do you account for the bright yellow flame in the video?
Excited sodium ions will glow yellow/orange - doesn't mean they are reacting to form a new substance though.
Here's some examples of different colors metal ions will impart to a flame
http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA2/MAIN/FLAME/CD2R1.HTM