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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on December 09, 2008, 11:53:38 AM
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Gold Cup-out.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
Two-time Colombian World Cup coach, Francisco Maturana, is the first Trinidad and Tobago national coach who failed to get the “Soca Warriors” to the Caribbean Cup knock out stage after the weekend’s early elimination in Jamaica.
The country’s dismal showing at the 2006 Digicel Caribbean Cup actually marks the third time that Trinidad and Tobago failed to win a place in the CONCACAF Gold Cup.
Everald “Gally” Cummings (1993)
Cummings was hastily returned to the position of head coach after the national team were eliminated by Jamaica in the Caribbean phase of the 1994 World Cup qualifiers. Aston Villa player Dwight Yorke was the sole overseas-based player and the spearhead of a young team that included the teenaged Arnold Dwarika and Dwayne Demming.
However, Yorke tore his hamstring and was ruled out as Trinidad and Tobago limped into the semi-finals only to be defeated 3-0 by hosts Jamaica. Cummings’ squad beat St Kitts and Nevis for bronze though.
Hannibal Najjar (2003)
Najjar promised to spark an influx of revenue from Trinidad and Tobago’s business sector and was promptly installed as national coach. However, just three months into his reign, 19 players—including Kelvin Jack, Brent Sancho, Cyd Gray, Cornell Glen, Keyeno Thomas, Gary Glasgow and Lyndon Andrews—walked out of a training session citing poor conditions and were promptly “blacklisted”.
The T&TFF offered a reprieve to the players for the Gold Cup qualifiers, two months later, but Najjar selected a squad of foreign-based players and soldiers instead and was eliminated by Cuba.
Francisco Maturana (2006)
The Colombian was not hampered by a blacklist while momentum seemed to be the side of the “Soca Warriors” after they booked a spot in the final phase of the 2006 World Cup qualifying campaign.
However, there were still doubts about several players selected on his squad and even more concerns about those left off it. There seemed to be uncertainty within the team’s ranks too as Maturana made six changes to his line-up after their opening defeat to Grenada and five more after their second match when they edged Barbados.
A draw to Jamaica saw the “Soca Warriors”, who were World Cup participants just two years earlier, fail to advance to the Caribbean Cup semi-final stage although Maturana had five foreign-based players and as many Germany 2006 members within his ranks.
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Having read nearly all the posts on our exit of the Digicel Cup,It appears that most people are blaming team selection,noting the fact that we were playing with a virtual local team.We lost against Grenada and that should tell us without doubt that we played rubbish and a coach should not be faulted for that,nine out of ten times that same team would beat Grenada even if meh mooma was coach.It is understandable that coaches take some of the blame but not all,didnt the same team beat Bim, and most creditable of all a draw with Jamaica who were missing about 3 top players, but all the same, had the neucleus of the side that was used in WC matches.Maturana is a brave man and should be commended for trying players with an eye for the future,we never had a big pool and trying new players can only strengthen his hand for future matches.I hope very much that we dont suffer any injuries to top players, but if it were to happen we wont be in the dark about who is the best at hand..as replacement.This is only a minor setback but one that may serve us better, in that,it would give our foreign players a well earned rest from a difficult British season.We have suffered serious injuries before in the GC and we are all aware of that,these fellas in my opinion should be kept away from serious competition bcoz we have "BIGGER FISH TO FRY",as much as the GC might have been good for the local squad there is always the chance of injuries to our foreign players.On this ocassion I feel the GC would be a distraction,we need 11 of our best and a kick start against El Sal with 3 points.Jamaica,Cuba,Guadeloupe etc have nothing to lose,we would have to play with one eye on the Hex if we were there,in a way I am not to unhappy that we are out.
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sense...
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Having read nearly all the posts on our exit of the Digicel Cup,It appears that most people are blaming team selection,noting the fact that we were playing with a virtual local team.We lost against Grenada and that should tell us without doubt that we played rubbish and a coach should not be faulted for that,nine out of ten times that same team would beat Grenada even if meh mooma was coach.It is understandable that coaches take some of the blame but not all,didnt the same team beat Bim, and most creditable of all a draw with Jamaica who were missing about 3 top players, but all the same, had the neucleus of the side that was used in WC matches.Maturana is a brave man and should be commended for trying players with an eye for the future,we never had a big pool and trying new players can only strengthen his hand for future matches.I hope very much that we dont suffer any injuries to top players, but if it were to happen we wont be in the dark about who is the best at hand..as replacement.This is only a minor setback but one that may serve us better, in that,it would give our foreign players a well earned rest from a difficult British season.We have suffered serious injuries before in the GC and we are all aware of that,these fellas in my opinion should be kept away from serious competition bcoz we have "BIGGER FISH TO FRY",as much as the GC might have been good for the local squad there is always the chance of injuries to our foreign players.On this ocassion I feel the GC would be a distraction,we need 11 of our best and a kick start against El Sal with 3 points.Jamaica,Cuba,Guadeloupe etc have nothing to lose,we would have to play with one eye on the Hex if we were there,in a way I am not to unhappy that we are out.
How is the Gold Cup a distraction? It is is currently scheduled for July 2009 which would be after an away WCQ to Mexico on June 10th and before a home WCQ against El Salvador on August 12th. Don't you think it would have provided us with much needed high level CONCACAF opposition? Don't you think it would help in our preparation for the second half of the Hex? While our neighbours would be engaged in competition, what would we be doing, just resting/training and watching de games on TV? Is that really preferable? You talk bout injuries, but man does get injured right in training, so should we stop training too?
So in your eyes T&T has an advantage over the other hexagonal teams who would be participating in de Gold Cup?
On another note, I don't see what is so "brave" about Maturana's "trying" of players.
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Chupss....Tallman wha wrong wid u....we in de Hex!!....who de hell have time for inconsequential tournaments like the Gold Cup??...as a matter of fact, we should just stop taking part from here on and concentrate on making the World Cup every 4 years.... ::) ::)
Yuh know wha killing me? The lengths to which men going to defend this make believe coach....all of a sudden Gold Cup is an inconsequential tournament!!....steupsss
All hail the Corbeaux!!... :notworthy:
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Having read nearly all the posts on our exit of the Digicel Cup,It appears that most people are blaming team selection,noting the fact that we were playing with a virtual local team.We lost against Grenada and that should tell us without doubt that we played rubbish and a coach should not be faulted for that,nine out of ten times that same team would beat Grenada even if meh mooma was coach.It is understandable that coaches take some of the blame but not all,didnt the same team beat Bim, and most creditable of all a draw with Jamaica who were missing about 3 top players, but all the same, had the neucleus of the side that was used in WC matches.Maturana is a brave man and should be commended for trying players with an eye for the future,we never had a big pool and trying new players can only strengthen his hand for future matches.I hope very much that we dont suffer any injuries to top players, but if it were to happen we wont be in the dark about who is the best at hand..as replacement.This is only a minor setback but one that may serve us better, in that,it would give our foreign players a well earned rest from a difficult British season.We have suffered serious injuries before in the GC and we are all aware of that,these fellas in my opinion should be kept away from serious competition bcoz we have "BIGGER FISH TO FRY",as much as the GC might have been good for the local squad there is always the chance of injuries to our foreign players.On this ocassion I feel the GC would be a distraction,we need 11 of our best and a kick start against El Sal with 3 points.Jamaica,Cuba,Guadeloupe etc have nothing to lose,we would have to play with one eye on the Hex if we were there,in a way I am not to unhappy that we are out.
maturana aint try no new players doh fool yuh self
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Due respect to you Tallman but my main point was that we should be concentrating on just the WC qualifiers and nothing else apart from club matches.I do not think that any other Football Federation in the world has to play a major competition that clashes with WC matches,you can correct me if I'm wrong,even if I am 'I still feel we cannot afford one major injury bcoz our pool is very small.Remember Norieaga and Mauge?I am sure there were more but not so serious.I still say the GC would have intefered with the bigger prize...qualification for 2010 SA.In the meantime let us all be happy for reaching the Hex and let Jamaica and Grenada enjoy their moment of glory,we still await glory of a bigger kind.Have a nice Christmas and a Happy 2009.
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I do not think that any other Football Federation in the world has to play a major competition that clashes with WC matches,you can correct me if I'm wrong,even if I am 'I still feel we cannot afford one major injury bcoz our pool is very small.
What about the FIFA Confederations Cup which includes some teams from ALL Confederations and takes place from June 14-28? Some WCQ matches were even rescheduled to accomodate some teams' participation in the tournament. I suppose the US should pull out of their matches against Brazil and Italy because it "clashes" with their WCQ matches and there is risk of injury? ::)
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Due respect to you Tallman but my main point was that we should be concentrating on just the WC qualifiers and nothing else apart from club matches.I do not think that any other Football Federation in the world has to play a major competition that clashes with WC matches,you can correct me if I'm wrong,even if I am 'I still feel we cannot afford one major injury bcoz our pool is very small.Remember Norieaga and Mauge?I am sure there were more but not so serious.I still say the GC would have intefered with the bigger prize...qualification for 2010 SA.In the meantime let us all be happy for reaching the Hex and let Jamaica and Grenada enjoy their moment of glory,we still await glory of a bigger kind.Have a nice Christmas and a Happy 2009.
distraction u say,
what about get a chance to feel out the very same opposition that we face in the hex,
knowing what they may have in store for us and how we can counter it,
how about maintaining the the match fitness that is sorely lacking, especially for the players that are on the team despite not having a club.
The ability to gather first hand information on the way any of these teams would approach us in the hex, thus allowing us to have some semblance of a plan...........hmmmm
need I also remind u that this would have given the core nucleus of the hex team a chance to work with the digicel team, did u not notice that after the US game that the "experiments" were subdued and some cohesion allowed to take hold........if only by force.
does it not occur to U..........sir, that those same restrictions might have been put in place for the gold cup thus allowing for further cohesion within that core.
guess not huh............... idiot!
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand...
we must see this development as an opportunity to grow, whether or not the dumbtist is coach or not...
I don't know if people really looking at 2014 as a case for automatic qualification, but every game and every chance we get to play quality opposition helps our cause win, lose or draw... We can only learn.
So, while de rest of dem fighting up for some sort of small time glory, in what is a competition between Mexico and the Yanks, we could be blooding players who REALLY want to play the Corbeaux Brand...
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too... a natural transition to Latapy's leadership is obvious, with Dwight pulling the strings on the pitch, transferring experience to the young starlets along the way... we have worked too hard to build a reputation for quality, these situations present themselves, because we are growing as a football playing nation...
Let Grenada and B'dos fight up dey, dem never play no World Cup... As for J'ca they still trying to fill Trelawney to get the monkey that is failing to reach the Hex off dey back...
We could do this, we just need to realise that sometimes it's not how good you are, but how bad you want it...
just my 2 cents...
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
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Having read nearly all the posts on our exit of the Digicel Cup,It appears that most people are blaming team selection,noting the fact that we were playing with a virtual local team.We lost against Grenada and that should tell us without doubt that we played rubbish and a coach should not be faulted for that,nine out of ten times that same team would beat Grenada even if meh mooma was coach.It is understandable that coaches take some of the blame but not all,didnt the same team beat Bim, and most creditable of all a draw with Jamaica who were missing about 3 top players, but all the same, had the neucleus of the side that was used in WC matches.Maturana is a brave man and should be commended for trying players with an eye for the future,we never had a big pool and trying new players can only strengthen his hand for future matches.I hope very much that we dont suffer any injuries to top players, but if it were to happen we wont be in the dark about who is the best at hand..as replacement.This is only a minor setback but one that may serve us better, in that,it would give our foreign players a well earned rest from a difficult British season.We have suffered serious injuries before in the GC and we are all aware of that,these fellas in my opinion should be kept away from serious competition bcoz we have "BIGGER FISH TO FRY",as much as the GC might have been good for the local squad there is always the chance of injuries to our foreign players.On this ocassion I feel the GC would be a distraction,we need 11 of our best and a kick start against El Sal with 3 points.Jamaica,Cuba,Guadeloupe etc have nothing to lose,we would have to play with one eye on the Hex if we were there,in a way I am not to unhappy that we are out.
If we had qualified for the Gold Cup would you have felt the same way. Everything yuh write sound like a case of sour grapes to me. There is no way that not making the Gold Cup could be more beneficial than if we had qualified.
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Due respect to you Tallman but my main point was that we should be concentrating on just the WC qualifiers and nothing else apart from club matches.I do not think that any other Football Federation in the world has to play a major competition that clashes with WC matches,you can correct me if I'm wrong,even if I am 'I still feel we cannot afford one major injury bcoz our pool is very small.Remember Norieaga and Mauge?I am sure there were more but not so serious.I still say the GC would have intefered with the bigger prize...qualification for 2010 SA.In the meantime let us all be happy for reaching the Hex and let Jamaica and Grenada enjoy their moment of glory,we still await glory of a bigger kind.Have a nice Christmas and a Happy 2009.
Some very good points made here.
The GC is an expensive outing and even if you win it the $150,000.00 prize money does not even come close to the expenses necessary to compete in this tournament. You also have to consider the fatigue factor. WC qualification in June means very little rest for players after their club season. Then GC in July and qualification games in August (when clubs start back). Remember what happened to Panama after GC 2005! This has the potential to be a very similar situation
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Due respect to you Tallman but my main point was that we should be concentrating on just the WC qualifiers and nothing else apart from club matches.I do not think that any other Football Federation in the world has to play a major competition that clashes with WC matches,you can correct me if I'm wrong,even if I am 'I still feel we cannot afford one major injury bcoz our pool is very small.Remember Norieaga and Mauge?I am sure there were more but not so serious.I still say the GC would have intefered with the bigger prize...qualification for 2010 SA.In the meantime let us all be happy for reaching the Hex and let Jamaica and Grenada enjoy their moment of glory,we still await glory of a bigger kind.Have a nice Christmas and a Happy 2009.
Some very good points made here.
The GC is an expensive outing and even if you win it the $150,000.00 prize money does not even come close to the expenses necessary to compete in this tournament. You also have to consider the fatigue factor. WC qualification in June means very little rest for players after their club season. Then GC in July and qualification games in August (when clubs start back). Remember what happened to Panama after GC 2005! This has the potential to be a very similar situation
Unless tings change, I doh tink we have to worry about player burn out because de only foreign-based players who playing consistently for dey clubs are Jason Scotland and Darryl Roberts. By consistently, I mean playing full or close to full games for the first team. I eh see no ill effects when we play in 2005 and neither 2000. Me eh see it hamper de other teams. De case of Panama may not have anyting to do with whether or not dey participated in de tournament. They may have just been overachieving and couldn't produce their previous performances.
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
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If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
Is Colin Samuel a left winger? Does he play there for his club?
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
kevon neeves could play on the left wing
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
kevon neeves could play on the left wing
possibly... and that is just my point... we can use this time properly...
don't ya just hate it when people want to jump down yuh throat?...
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If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
Is Colin Samuel a left winger? Does he play there for his club?
The question should really be have you seen anyone else play/perform there better for T&T?...
his versatility is unbelievable... he will deliver...
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I have to agree with Tallman on this one. Frico, I understand your point, but there is never an acceptable substitute for match fitness and, on the basis of the dismal showing of our local team at the Digicel Cup, this team needs as much matches under its belt in order to gel as a cohesive unit.
We cannot always rely on our foreign-based to rescue us and Yorke and Latapy, although in superb shape, do not have the legs to run with the twenty-somethings anymore.
So, I think the Gold Cup would have certainly helped more than hurt us.
We certainly needed to play in that tournament more than Grenada and Jamaica, due to the fact that we DO have bigger fish to fry and need match practice.
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I have to agree with Tallman on this one. Frico, I understand your point, but there is never an acceptable substitute for match fitness and, on the basis of the dismal showing of our local team at the Digicel Cup, this team needs as much matches under its belt in order to gel as a cohesive unit.
We cannot always rely on our foreign-based to rescue us and Yorke and Latapy, although in superb shape, do not have the legs to run with the twenty-somethings anymore.
So, I think the Gold Cup would have certainly helped more than hurt us.
We certainly needed to play in that tournament more than Grenada and Jamaica, due to the fact that we DO have bigger fish to fry and need match practice.
preach on brother!
thank you
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I have to agree with Tallman on this one. Frico, I understand your point, but there is never an acceptable substitute for match fitness and, on the basis of the dismal showing of our local team at the Digicel Cup, this team needs as much matches under its belt in order to gel as a cohesive unit.
We cannot always rely on our foreign-based to rescue us and Yorke and Latapy, although in superb shape, do not have the legs to run with the twenty-somethings anymore.
So, I think the Gold Cup would have certainly helped more than hurt us.
We certainly needed to play in that tournament more than Grenada and Jamaica, due to the fact that we DO have bigger fish to fry and need match practice.
Yuh serious??....those games would have helped us gell together??!!! :o....wow, what a revelation... ::) ::)
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I have to agree with Tallman on this one. Frico, I understand your point, but there is never an acceptable substitute for match fitness and, on the basis of the dismal showing of our local team at the Digicel Cup, this team needs as much matches under its belt in order to gel as a cohesive unit.
We cannot always rely on our foreign-based to rescue us and Yorke and Latapy, although in superb shape, do not have the legs to run with the twenty-somethings anymore.
So, I think the Gold Cup would have certainly helped more than hurt us.
We certainly needed to play in that tournament more than Grenada and Jamaica, due to the fact that we DO have bigger fish to fry and need match practice.
preach on brother!
thank you
not only that but the gold cup is good exposure for our players. club teams will be looking at these games for talent.
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
As much as I like to see my countrymen do well, Collin Samuel has not been in any kind of scintillating form since he was at Falkirk. For the national team he has only sporadically shown these penetrative runs yuh talking bout. For some reason I feel you still stuck on his performance against Iceland. Me eh denying dat he have ability, but I just haven't seen any sort of consistency from him on the national or club front in the last 5 years.
Yes, every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, but why against us? How would we help them in their qualifying campaign? I eh saying it impossible to get a match with one ah dem, but I eh tink dey go be necessarily banging down de door to play us.
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Yes, every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, but why against us? How would we help them in their qualifying campaign? I eh saying it impossible to get a match with one ah dem, but I eh tink dey go be necessarily banging down de door to play us.
From what I've been told, every national team only too happy to play practice matches. Some will even pay for arrangements like airfare, accomodations, meals, transportation etc...it's that important to them to get the practice. I don't believe it is a matter of those teams lack of desire to play us because of our ranking or anything like that. More likely it's our lack of professionalism and apparent exorbitant "appearance fees" that discourage them.
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Yes, every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, but why against us? How would we help them in their qualifying campaign? I eh saying it impossible to get a match with one ah dem, but I eh tink dey go be necessarily banging down de door to play us.
From what I've been told, every national team only too happy to play practice matches. Some will even pay for arrangements like airfare, accomodations, meals, transportation etc...it's that important to them to get the practice. I don't believe it is a matter of those teams lack of desire to play us because of our ranking or anything like that. More likely it's our lack of professionalism and apparent exorbitant "appearance fees" that discourage them.
But I think that in a case like WCQs, a team would like to play against specific types of teams in order to prepare them for that tournament. Just like how we chose specific teams prior to WC 2006.
Our lack or professionalism? Surely you jest. :devil:
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But I think that in a case like WCQs, a team would like to play against specific types of teams in order to prepare them for that tournament. Just like how we chose specific teams prior to WC 2006.
Our lack or professionalism? Surely you jest. :devil:
If it was a case where say Venezuela lookin for a practice match and is a choice between Holland and T&T...Holland would get the nod everytime. But if the choice was between Scotland and T&T....dat wouldn't necessarily be a slam dunk decision.
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kalliman 2006 what about friendlies,surely we can get some and it wont be as intensive as the GC where injuries are waiting to happen.
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kalliman 2006 what about friendlies,surely we can get some and it wont be as intensive as the GC where injuries are waiting to happen.
Yuh could get injured anytime, anywhere.
Kenwyne Jones was injured in a friendly no?
Fear of injury is not a plausible excuse bro.
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
And so does USA ,MEX ,HUN ,and TICO'S and they will be all there along with JA and Grenada! so what say you bro.
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Tallman , could we get in the gold cup as a guest? columbia and brazil did, and so did MEX, and USA in the copa america. what's the chances of that happening?
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Tallman , could we get in the gold cup as a guest? columbia and brazil did, and so did MEX, and USA in the copa america. what's the chances of that happening?
I thought they announce de other year no more guest teams... they wanted ah true regional tournament.
I don't recall any guest teams last time neither...
De last time Canada give up dey spot for Jamaica in '98 because Jamaica qualify for de World Cup...
What we qualify for? and what we adding to the tournament?
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Canada give up dem spot to Jamaica at the GC in 97 or 98 (not sure). So tell Jack throw dem some $$$ and see what happens ;D
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Ehy alyuh be happy we not in the Gold Cup.
Alyuh want to unleash the shit(corbeaux) brand to the world.
Nah Nah let that be our little secret in this neck of the woods.
Alyuh ent feel shame enough after the 3 the USA put on us... Is better we have our opponents think that we are a shit side, than actually have them run out there and confirm it.
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Canada give up dem spot to Jamaica at the GC in 97 or 98 (not sure). So tell Jack throw dem some $$$ and see what happens ;D
We need to get the facts straight on this one. I dont believe Canada gave up its spot in the Gold Cup to accomodate Jamaica. CONCACAF was in the habbit of accomodating guest teams (from other confeds) in the tournament...the Jamaica Football Federation asked them to invite Jamaica as the gues team that year seeing that they had qualified for the world cup and didnt make the Gold Cup finals. It made sense at the time, and CONCACAF obliged.
Qualifying for the Hex is not as significant as qualifying for the world cup finals...so dont expect CONCACAF to grant T&T any favors at another nation's expense. Unless of course Jack can find away to make it happen.
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Ehy alyuh be happy we not in the Gold Cup.
Alyuh want to unleash the shit(corbeaux) brand to the world.
Nah Nah let that be our little secret in this neck of the woods.
Alyuh ent feel shame enough after the 3 the USA put on us... Is better we have our opponents think that we are a shit side, than actually have them run out there and confirm it.
:rotfl:
All hail the corbeaux!!!.... :notworthy: :notworthy:
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for me, living on the outside looking in... I think that we could use that time wisely to prepare for the WCQ games... we could actually consider taking on European and South American teams who (unlike us) are not playing WCQ games and improve our brand
Like who? All dem South American and European sides involved in WCQs.
Where is Colin Samuel?... His experience is crucial... Silvio could get some serious minutes during that time too...
What crucial experience does Collin Samuel bring? Why should Spann be getting minutes when he rarely even makes the bench for a Conference side?
If you could name someone else with more penetration and creativity on the left, then I will listen... until then (with respect) relax for a bit... given the time frame every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, and unlike JA we have a qualifying competition to look forward to...
As much as I like to see my countrymen do well, Collin Samuel has not been in any kind of scintillating form since he was at Falkirk. For the national team he has only sporadically shown these penetrative runs yuh talking bout. For some reason I feel you still stuck on his performance against Iceland. Me eh denying dat he have ability, but I just haven't seen any sort of consistency from him on the national or club front in the last 5 years.
Yes, every one of those European/South American teams would love a warm up fixture, but why against us? How would we help them in their qualifying campaign? I eh saying it impossible to get a match with one ah dem, but I eh tink dey go be necessarily banging down de door to play us.
I agree with what yuh say here but part of the problem is that he has never been given any extended run of games for the national team for one reason or the other. I seems like he plays a game or two then is out of the team. He played well in the first world cup game against Sweden and didn't play another minute in the world cup.
This is exactly why qualifying for the gold cup was important. It would have given the coaches another opportunity to look at players like Colin Samuel in an important tournament.
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Canada give up dem spot to Jamaica at the GC in 97 or 98 (not sure). So tell Jack throw dem some $$$ and see what happens ;D
We need to get the facts straight on this one. I dont believe Canada gave up its spot in the Gold Cup to accomodate Jamaica. CONCACAF was in the habbit of accomodating guest teams (from other confeds) in the tournament...the Jamaica Football Federation asked them to invite Jamaica as the gues team that year seeing that they had qualified for the world cup and didnt make the Gold Cup finals. It made sense at the time, and CONCACAF obliged.
Qualifying for the Hex is not as significant as qualifying for the world cup finals...so dont expect CONCACAF to grant T&T any favors at another nation's expense. Unless of course Jack can find away to make it happen.
How can you get eliminated and then get invited as a guest?
Here is the official CONCACAF Report Read what it says: http://www.rsssf.com/tables/98gc.html
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Ah could just imagine de backlash if we are allowed to play in de gold cup. People does done say how we only have success because Jack Warner buy it. I think we should just accept that we didn't make it and line up some good friendlies instead.
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kalliman 2006 what about friendlies,surely we can get some and it wont be as intensive as the GC where injuries are waiting to happen.
Friendlies might help, but given the almost pathological inability of the powers that be in T&T football to make that happen, that might be a moot point. I thnk that we may be better off playing in the Gold Cup, since friendlies always seem to be scheduled, but never played.
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I hope Jack don't pull string to play in the WC, because we don't deserve to be there. We lost fair and square. It would be unfair to the other teams who fought just as hard or harder that TT to go thru. to the second rounds.
I know JA had gotten a special invite because they had qualified for the WC. But you could look at it as the same with TT. They got knock out in the prelim. that year fair and square. Rules are made to be broken. That just it. I disagree with Reggae-Fan that qualifying for the Hex is not as important as qualifying for the WC. Well, before going to the WC you MUST participate in the HEx. Unless they bring back back invitees to the WC
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Canada give up dem spot to Jamaica at the GC in 97 or 98 (not sure). So tell Jack throw dem some $$$ and see what happens ;D
We need to get the facts straight on this one. I dont believe Canada gave up its spot in the Gold Cup to accomodate Jamaica. CONCACAF was in the habbit of accomodating guest teams (from other confeds) in the tournament...the Jamaica Football Federation asked them to invite Jamaica as the gues team that year seeing that they had qualified for the world cup and didnt make the Gold Cup finals. It made sense at the time, and CONCACAF obliged.
Qualifying for the Hex is not as significant as qualifying for the world cup finals...so dont expect CONCACAF to grant T&T any favors at another nation's expense. Unless of course Jack can find away to make it happen.
How can you get eliminated and then get invited as a guest?
Here is the official CONCACAF Report Read what it says: http://www.rsssf.com/tables/98gc.html
RF jes tryin to pull a fas one.....as usual.
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Deeks, yuh mean yuh hope Jack doh pull strings to play in de "Gold Cup " right? If yuh really mean we doh deserve to be in de WC already, brace fuh some cuss from de hooligans
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Fantastic,
Yep, yuh right. Is GC not WC.
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Release d cobeau 4 d world 2 c.
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Canada give up dem spot to Jamaica at the GC in 97 or 98 (not sure). So tell Jack throw dem some $$$ and see what happens ;D
Canada did give up its place for the Reggaebritz as they were then and there is no doubt about that.
We need to get the facts straight on this one. I dont believe Canada gave up its spot in the Gold Cup to accomodate Jamaica. CONCACAF was in the habbit of accomodating guest teams (from other confeds) in the tournament...the Jamaica Football Federation asked them to invite Jamaica as the gues team that year seeing that they had qualified for the world cup and didnt make the Gold Cup finals. It made sense at the time, and CONCACAF obliged.
Qualifying for the Hex is not as significant as qualifying for the world cup finals...so dont expect CONCACAF to grant T&T any favors at another nation's expense. Unless of course Jack can find away to make it happen.
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I hope Jack don't pull string to play in the WC, because we don't deserve to be there. We lost fair and square. It would be unfair to the other teams who fought just as hard or harder that TT to go thru. to the second rounds.
I know JA had gotten a special invite because they had qualified for the WC. But you could look at it as the same with TT. They got knock out in the prelim. that year fair and square. Rules are made to be broken. That just it. I disagree with Reggae-Fan that qualifying for the Hex is not as important as qualifying for the WC. Well, before going to the WC you MUST participate in the HEx. Unless they bring back back invitees to the WC
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Allyuh really good yes...no wonder it have so crime in the country ::)
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watch this space, cause there is a possibility that one of the 4 caribbean teams that made the god cup might drop out.
Grenada have FIFA wrangling, u never know what could happen to them (ahem JW), plus together with Cuba, you never know what going on financially or otherwise with them...
Guadalupe and Jamaica will be there for sure.
Wonder if it will have a playoff then between us and haiti for that spot if it happens.
we have nothing to lose now, just hope.
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Did You not read the plans ? During the Gold Cup we will be in camp in England. Then big countries we will be taking on as preparation? Let us hope that Maturana has a settled squad by then and good replacement on the bench. Personally , I would like to see us play Venezuela and some South American countries. Maybe a game againdst Columbia will be the icing on the cake.
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No. A game against Colombia in Miamiwould be icing on the cake ;D
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Did You not read the plans ? During the Gold Cup we will be in camp in England. Then big countries we will be taking on as preparation? Let us hope that Maturana has a settled squad by then and good replacement on the bench. Personally , I would like to see us play Venezuela and some South American countries. Maybe a game againdst Columbia will be the icing on the cake.
Where you read that?
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I say we go b tourin Europe doh worry now JW say so. So u know is Guyana in oui pweefen.
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NOt Qualifyin for the GC could be a blessing in disguise for T&T.
dont ask me what but im jus feeling that it could be
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I hope they take the squad to Europe to prepare and play some Euros. Any country, I don't care. I hope Jack don't try to bring us into the GC. We don't deserve to be there. Use the resources to prepare the WC for the Hex.
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Nicaragua shocks Guatemala 2-0 to claim last berth in CONCACAF Gold Cup
CONCACAF.com
Nicaragua qualified for the CONCACAF Gold Cup for the first time, stunning Guatemala 2-0 Thursday night to complete the 12-team field.
Samuel Wilson’s pair of goals gave Nicaragua’s fifth place in the Central American Nations Cup, matching its best performance achieved previously in 2005.
The loss left Guatemala in sixth place in the Copa de Naciones Digicel de UNCAF, a title it won eight years ago and a tournament it had never finished worse than third. It did not enter the 1993 championship.
Nicaragua had never beaten Guatemala in 16 previous tries, earning one draw – in 1986 in a friendly -- and losing the other 15 times.
Los Pinoleros, which opened the tournament with a shocking 1-1 draw against El Salvador, joins los Cuscatlecos, Costa Rica, Honduras and Panama as Central America’s qualifers to the Gold Cup. Nicaragua is the last team in the field that also will feature Canada, Mexico and the United States from the North Zone, and Jamaica, Grenada, Guadeloupe and Cuba from the Caribbean.
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That is a surprise!!!
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very good Nicarauga.... go and give Jamaica 10...
so el salvador get knock out ??..like we ???..mama
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very good Nicarauga.... go and give Jamaica 10...
so el salvador get knock out ??..like we ???..mama
Bigmagician , I understand some people like RF and J2099 like to hype about Jamaica ,
but man what do you have against Jamaica ? , why are you so bitter towards us ? RF and J2099
have bigmouths and love to show off on a team in a rebuilding stage . I have followed your post
and you never had anything good to say about your caribbean compatriots . Brother no man is a island
and no man stand alone , why are you so bitter towards them ?. Over to you sir .
When SVG Knock Ja out of Gold cup they were laughters , now Grenada gave TNT the Boot
nobody laugh cause we understand the situation. We in Ja ... wanted a TNT Jamaica Finals .
come on man .
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I now checkin some results, Panama beat Honduras 1-0, and El Salvador - Costa Rica ended because El Salvador were down to 6 players.