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Davis: Winners And Losers From U.S.-Trinidad.
By: Noah Davis (Goal.Com).
Noah Davis breaks down who came out on top and on bottom after the U.S.'s 3-0 win over T&T.
On the strength of a Jozy Altidore hat trick and three assists from Landon Donovan, the United States Men's National Team waltzed out of Nashville, Tennessee with a 3-0 victory over an overmatched Trinidad and Tobago in the final round of CONCACAF qualifying for the 2010 World Cup. It was a deserved scoreline for Bob Bradley's squad, which suffered a setback over the weekend with a 2-2 draw in El Salvador. The win leaves the U.S. in first place of the group on seven points, one ahead of Costa Rica, and in a good spot to secure passage to South Africa.
Winners
Brian Ching: If, after watching last night's performance, you still don't think the Houston Dynamo forward deserves a spot in the Starting XI, you should consider taking up another sport. I hear the Connecticut women's basketball team is having an epic season. Altidore got the goals, Donovan the assists, but -- as usual -- Ching did the hard work to make it all happen. His header on Carlos Bocanegra's long ball was a thing of beauty, dropping perfectly to Donovan who took two touches and slotted it across for Altidore's first goal. Throughout the match, Ching (along with Pablo Mastroeni) did the little things the U.S. needs to win. Call him the Shane Battier of the American team, the No Stats All-Star. And keep him on the pitch.
Carlos Edwards: T and T struggled throughout but Edwards more than held his own on the right flank. He abused DaMarcus Beasley a handful of times and presented one of his team's few threats on the American goal. The Sunderland man helped on defense as well, although the one blemish on his night came midway through the first half when he succumbed to pressure from Altidore and coughed up the ball just outside the T and T box. The chance came to nothing, however, and Edwards walked away with his head held high.
Donovan as Distributor: With three assists on Wednesday and one against Mexico in February, the U.S.'s all-time leading scorer now has four helpers in his last three National Team games (and 35 in his career). His passing vision, always good, continues to improve as he matures as a player. On the ball, Donovan has a calmness about him that allows the attacker to pick his spots and deliver the ball with pinpoint accuracy. If Bradley continues the "Donovan as left midfielder" experiment, his star should find the space he needs to work.
The Backheel: Did I see what I think I did? Could it be? Yes, I believe the team showed a bit of attacking flair in Nashville. While the Americans continue to love the long ball, they also demonstrated a willingness to experiment with the backheel and other creativity. On the right, Clint Dempsey and Frankie Hejduk worked these exchanges successfully multiple times, while Michael Bradley had a couple pretty touches in the middle. While the results weren't there -- and the opponent was off its game -- it's nice to see some confidence and inventiveness in the attacking game.
Losers
Jonathan Bornsetein/Heath Pearce: The days of the pair platooning at left back look to be over. While Beasley didn't do enough to show he's the answer (see: Edwards, Carlos) the move shows Bradley's willingness to experiment at the position, something he's been reluctant to do previously. With Jonathan Spector and Jay DeMerit rounding into shape, the American coach now has options. Given Oguchi Onyewu's struggles at centerback last night, moving Carlos Bocanegra over probably isn't the solution, but how about giving the Energizer Bunny that is Hedjuk a shot and putting Spector or Marvell Wynne at right back? The possibilities are endless. They don't include Bornstein or Pearce, however.
Anthony Wolfe: Of all the Soca Warriors' failings, Wolfe's were the most obvious. The defender flubbed multiple touches and was consistently beaten by almost every American who came into his territory. The U.S. spent most of the night running down the left flank essentially unimpeded -- both the first goal and Altidore's missed tap in shortly after started there -- and you can look at the right back as the reason why. T and T wasn't winning this match, but Wolfe's play did much to seal that fate. (One question: Will Donovan look as good playing left midfielder against a better defender?)
Donovan as Goal Scorer: After being shut out again on Wednesday night, Donovan has just three tallies for the U.S. National Team since the beginning of 2008. Not a bad total, but you might expect more from the skilled attacker. As referenced above, he's morphing into a distributor -- and succeeding in the role -- but a bit more selfishness could be in order for the U.S.'s best finisher.
A Sense of Urgency: It's simple: When you go up 1-0 early and are dominating, you need to put another ball into the net and finish the job. You could argue the Americans were unlucky not to get another tally in the first half, but the point is that they didn't. To come out flat after halftime and let T and T dictate play for a bit is even more inexcusable. After watching the Red, White, and Blue let up against Mexico after Rafael Marquez's red card and the general lack of passion against El Salvador, you have to wonder about the U.S.'s proverbial killer instinct.
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Anthony Wolfe: Of all the Soca Warriors' failings, Wolfe's were the most obvious. The defender flubbed multiple touches and was consistently beaten by almost every American who came into his territory. The U.S. spent most of the night running down the left flank essentially unimpeded -- both the first goal and Altidore's missed tap in shortly after started there -- and you can look at the right back as the reason why. T and T wasn't winning this match, but Wolfe's play did much to seal that fate. (One question: Will Donovan look as good playing left midfielder against a better defender?)
hhhhhhhmmmmm I eh know I could be wrong, but he look bad as a defender BECAUSE HE ISN'T ONE??!!!....eh Maturana?? but nah according to some, leave yuh to continue to give mih heart failure, leave yuh right dey.....ssssttteeeuuuuppsssss....
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Yep, dem backheels and US improvisation generally were ... unforgettable on a night to be forgotten.
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if he bashing wolfe he must also bash akile edwards who allowed dempsey and frankie to do as they want on we left side. yuh cud throw keon daniel in that mix. i agree with the carlos edwards comments however!!! :beermug:
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if he bashing wolfe he must also bash akile edwards who allowed dempsey and frankie to do as they want on we left side. yuh cud throw keon daniel in that mix. i agree with the carlos edwards comments however!!! :beermug:
Yeah I think A. Edwards was a glaring omission, but that aside I have no quibbles with his assessment. I feel bad for both Wolfe and Akile/Aklie... dem men getting played out of position and it not working. But then again, you see men like Beasley and Frankie Hejduk (who was a forward 13 yrs ago with Tampa Bay Mutiny) playing in defense and not quite being the fish out of water that Edwards and Wolfe have been.
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I feel bad for both Wolfe and Akile/Aklie... dem men getting played out of position and it not working. But then again, you see men like Beasley and Frankie Hejduk (who was a forward 13 yrs ago with Tampa Bay Mutiny) playing in defense and not quite being the fish out of water that Edwards and Wolfe have been.
Hejduk had years to learn the position, though. Who knows? The experiments might work in time. Wolfe might turn out to be de greatest right back we ever had. What isn't working is using dem men in important games against experienced opponents.
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Allyuh jus love to put Edwards in de mix eh. Even ah writer who eh ha nutten to do with TnT see dat the RB position was the worst on the night. Yet to hear allyuh tell it is Edwards. Funny AW had Carlos helping him out and still look like ah kingsize lump ah tootoo but Edwards who gets zero help from Daniel is allyuh whippin boy. Allyuh great oui.
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Allyuh jus love to put Edwards in de mix eh. Even ah writer who eh ha nutten to do with TnT see dat the RB position was the worst on the night. Yet to hear allyuh tell it is Edwards. Funny AW had Carlos helping him out and still look like ah kingsize lump ah tootoo but Edwards who gets zero help from Daniel is allyuh whippin boy. Allyuh great oui.
but to be fair, Wolfe only shit down heself 1st half (then get subbed), Edwards did it for 90 mins
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Allyuh jus love to put Edwards in de mix eh. Even ah writer who eh ha nutten to do with TnT see dat the RB position was the worst on the night. Yet to hear allyuh tell it is Edwards. Funny AW had Carlos helping him out and still look like ah kingsize lump ah tootoo but Edwards who gets zero help from Daniel is allyuh whippin boy. Allyuh great oui.
but to be fair, Wolfe only shit down heself 1st half (then get subbed), Edwards did it for 90 mins
You musse watch ah different game... if yuh was there in person tuh see de game live yuh woulda see dat Edwards is de second coming of Roberto Carlos. None ah dem goal was Edwards fault.
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Anthony Wolfe: Of all the Soca Warriors' failings, Wolfe's were the most obvious. The defender flubbed multiple touches and was consistently beaten by almost every American who came into his territory. The U.S. spent most of the night running down the left flank essentially unimpeded -- both the first goal and Altidore's missed tap in shortly after started there -- and you can look at the right back as the reason why. T and T wasn't winning this match, but Wolfe's play did much to seal that fate. (One question: Will Donovan look as good playing left midfielder against a better defender?)
hhhhhhhmmmmm I eh know I could be wrong, but he look bad as a defender BECAUSE HE ISN'T ONE??!!!....eh Maturana?? but nah according to some, leave yuh to continue to give mih heart failure, leave yuh right dey.....ssssttteeeuuuuppsssss....
carlos edwards is nto a defender yet he can defend with the best of them
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Allyuh jus love to put Edwards in de mix eh. Even ah writer who eh ha nutten to do with TnT see dat the RB position was the worst on the night. Yet to hear allyuh tell it is Edwards. Funny AW had Carlos helping him out and still look like ah kingsize lump ah tootoo but Edwards who gets zero help from Daniel is allyuh whippin boy. Allyuh great oui.
but to be fair, Wolfe only shit down heself 1st half (then get subbed), Edwards did it for 90 mins
U 4got 4 game in Chicago so add another 90
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Allyuh jus love to put Edwards in de mix eh. Even ah writer who eh ha nutten to do with TnT see dat the RB position was the worst on the night. Yet to hear allyuh tell it is Edwards. Funny AW had Carlos helping him out and still look like ah kingsize lump ah tootoo but Edwards who gets zero help from Daniel is allyuh whippin boy. Allyuh great oui.
but to be fair, Wolfe only shit down heself 1st half (then get subbed), Edwards did it for 90 mins
How many times did the US successfuly get the ball into the box from the left in the 2nd half?
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Allyuh jus love to put Edwards in de mix eh. Even ah writer who eh ha nutten to do with TnT see dat the RB position was the worst on the night. Yet to hear allyuh tell it is Edwards. Funny AW had Carlos helping him out and still look like ah kingsize lump ah tootoo but Edwards who gets zero help from Daniel is allyuh whippin boy. Allyuh great oui.
but to be fair, Wolfe only shit down heself 1st half (then get subbed), Edwards did it for 90 mins
How many times did the US successfuly get the ball into the box from the left in the 2nd half?
Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
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Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
Fuhget where the balls was coming from... who was marking Altidore most of the game?
How much goal Altidore score?
Was it Wolfe who let Altidore run in unimpeded to score the first goal... den throw down heself in de box after the ball hit de back ah de net?
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Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
Fuhget where the balls was coming from... who was marking Altidore most of the game?
How much goal Altidore score?
Was it Wolfe who let Altidore run in unimpeded to score the first goal... den throw down heself in de box after the ball hit de back ah de net?
Altidore was playing as a central striker, how is it that you could imply Edwards was marking him all night? Easier to say he was marking Donavan or Dempsey.
admittedly first goal was Edwards fault in that he should not have lost his man when the ball came across the box.. he do real shit there... But where that play come from in the first place?
Was it not the right back who get eat off in the first place for Donavan to make that cross? Not to mention the right back had Carlos helping him out all game.
2nd goal was Hislop fault for getting a Colombus beat on the wing and 3rd goal was on Ince.
Edwards had a very poor first half, and offensively a disastrous game. But the least that can be said is that in the 2nd half he tighten up defensively and was holding his own down in that corner with Donovan coming at him. And all this is despite the lack of help from Daniel on the wing.
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Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
Fuhget where the balls was coming from... who was marking Altidore most of the game?
How much goal Altidore score?
Was it Wolfe who let Altidore run in unimpeded to score the first goal... den throw down heself in de box after the ball hit de back ah de net?
Altidore was playing as a central striker, how is it that you could imply Edwards was marking him all night? Easier to say he was marking Donavan or Dempsey.
admittedly first goal was Edwards fault in that he should not have lost his man when the ball came across the box.. he do real shit there... But where that play come from in the first place?
Was it not the right back who get eat off in the first place for Donavan to make that cross? Not to mention the right back had Carlos helping him out all game.
2nd goal was Hislop fault for getting a Colombus beat on the wing and 3rd goal was on Ince.
Edwards had a very poor first half, and offensively a disastrous game. But the least that can be said is that in the 2nd half he tighten up defensively and was holding his own down in that corner with Donovan coming at him. And all this is despite the lack of help from Daniel on the wing.
Ah think yuh mean Dempsey, who, as far as I could remember, barely make a note whole night.
I'd prefer somebody better at left back, but I think people going overboard laying so much blame at Aklie Edwards feet. Ol' pitchfork and torch ass mofos.
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I swear is like allyuh ha sumting personal against da youth man oui. If wolfe hold dong de right first goal wasn't scoring. If Makan was able to hold the right like edwards did the left in the 2nd half no second goal. Edwards eh perfect but some ah allyuh come like ah flippin blood tusty mob!!
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Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
Fuhget where the balls was coming from... who was marking Altidore most of the game?
How much goal Altidore score?
Was it Wolfe who let Altidore run in unimpeded to score the first goal... den throw down heself in de box after the ball hit de back ah de net?
Breds i wasn't there tuh see the game live, so obviously there are things that i will not have the priviledge of seeing ,
but i watched it on ESPN and i taped it as well, i've watched it about 5 times since,and on the slow mo leading up to the first goal, just before donovon crossed the ball after leaving out wolf yuh saw altidore anticipating the run and edwards trying to stay with him,
it looked like ah rehersed play to me, then he jozy made the run as soon as the ball left donovon boots leaving out aklie in ah dust of speed.
trust me , it was aklie's fault for losing his marker, and guess what? through out the game you saw him(aklie) constantly marking jozy.IMO it was all his fault!
now i don't think he should be dropped. i believe it would do him a world of good if he continued wid the national team, not as a starter, but rather an understudy to avery.
clyde leon on the other hand was abbysmal! hope he leaves the local stagnant league and go to europe, maybe holland where he could learn tuh pass properly, and improve on reading the game better.
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Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
Fuhget where the balls was coming from... who was marking Altidore most of the game?
How much goal Altidore score?
Was it Wolfe who let Altidore run in unimpeded to score the first goal... den throw down heself in de box after the ball hit de back ah de net?
Breds i wasn't there tuh see the game live, so obviously there are things that i will not have the priviledge of seeing ,
but i watched it on ESPN and i taped it as well, i've watched it about 5 times since,and on the slow mo leading up to the first goal, just before donovon crossed the ball after leaving out wolf yuh saw altidore anticipating the run and edwards trying to stay with him,
it looked like ah rehersed play to me, then he jozy made the run as soon as the ball left donovon boots leaving out aklie in ah dust of speed.
trust me , it was aklie's fault for losing his marker, and guess what? through out the game you saw him(aklie) constantly marking jozy.IMO it was all his fault!
now i don't think he should be dropped. i believe it would do him a world of good if he continued wid the national team, not as a starter, but rather an understudy to avery.
clyde leon on the other hand was abbysmal! hope he leaves the local stagnant league and go to europe, maybe holland where he could learn tuh pass properly, and improve on reading the game better.
So a man have to go quite Europe to learn how to pass .....steups. Marvin Faustin used to be in the mang or barataria senior comp 2, 3 hours before practice working on he left foot... hundreds ah passes before practice, dais how yuh learn to pass. 10 yard,25yards, 40 yards.. over and over.
I watched the game live and Akile was terrible especially in the first half, ask Ince and Stern, more than once the both got into him ....we were LUCKY that his other errors did not materialize into goals
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Them fellas just like to fight down the youth.. It as clear to see that the RB was the weakest link on the night. All the goals came from that side of the field. Both Wolfe and Hislop were exploited and this led to clear cut scoring opportunities.
Fuhget where the balls was coming from... who was marking Altidore most of the game?
How much goal Altidore score?
Was it Wolfe who let Altidore run in unimpeded to score the first goal... den throw down heself in de box after the ball hit de back ah de net?
Breds i wasn't there tuh see the game live, so obviously there are things that i will not have the priviledge of seeing ,
but i watched it on ESPN and i taped it as well, i've watched it about 5 times since,and on the slow mo leading up to the first goal, just before donovon crossed the ball after leaving out wolf yuh saw altidore anticipating the run and edwards trying to stay with him,
it looked like ah rehersed play to me, then he jozy made the run as soon as the ball left donovon boots leaving out aklie in ah dust of speed.
trust me , it was aklie's fault for losing his marker, and guess what? through out the game you saw him(aklie) constantly marking jozy.IMO it was all his fault!
now i don't think he should be dropped. i believe it would do him a world of good if he continued wid the national team, not as a starter, but rather an understudy to avery.
clyde leon on the other hand was abbysmal! hope he leaves the local stagnant league and go to europe, maybe holland where he could learn tuh pass properly, and improve on reading the game better.
So a man have to go quite Europe to learn how to pass .....steups. Marvin Faustin used to be in the mang or barataria senior comp 2, 3 hours before practice working on he left foot... hundreds ah passes before practice, dais how yuh learn to pass. 10 yard,25yards, 40 yards.. over and over.
I watched the game live and Akile was terrible especially in the first half, ask Ince and Stern, more than once the both got into him ....we were LUCKY that his other errors did not materialize into goals
YES!!! fellas like marvelous marvin faustin is not dime ah dozen, on the contrary, they does come around once in ah long while!
in the mean time leon is ah regular pro playing with nothing special about him who happens to be playing in ah weak league, if he not developing as a midfielder in this league then he needs tuh look elsewhere.
no where did i mentioned aklie and his perfomance in any favorable way, if it was up to me fellas like aklie , leon , daniel and hislop would only get playing time in ah game when we have a substantual lead and we could afford tuh give dem a 15 mins without hurting our chances.
dem men not ready yet, they need time tuh learn well and build confidence. the only rookies IMO that ready for the big stage is roberts, jaggy and hyland.
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i wondering how serious our footballers really train. the 1 time i did any kinna serious trainning in mi life mi 1st touch became good. yet we have players who cant control or pass the ball properly. yes u r human and will err from time to time as is the wont of humans but geez some ah we players look like they only play football on game day
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Altidore was playing as a central striker, how is it that you could imply Edwards was marking him all night? Easier to say he was marking Donavan or Dempsey.
Except he WASN'T marking Donovan (who was playing left wing for the US, therefore covered by Wolfe and Thomas) so why would I say he was marking Donovan? Dempsey only had one run of note into the box and whenever he pushed forward Leon was there to shut him down his runs was more to set up Altidore
admittedly first goal was Edwards fault in that he should not have lost his man when the ball came across the box.. he do real shit there... But where that play come from in the first place?
Was it not the right back who get eat off in the first place for Donavan to make that cross? Not to mention the right back had Carlos helping him out all game.
It doh matter where the cross came from because the cross was not his responsibility... his responsibility was to keep himself between his man and any ball from the opposite wing, which he failed to do. He didn't have to help cover for Wolfe's initial mistake because Lawrence went to cover. Yes Wolfe f**k up to open up the defense but Edwards had ONE responsibility that he failed abyssmally at.
2nd goal was Hislop fault for getting a Colombus beat on the wing
In all fairness I can't fault him on the second goal, he stayed wide to cover Dempsey on the LW rather than track Jozy he was in a catch-22
and 3rd goal was on Ince.
I wouldn't put the third goal on exclusively Edwards but you should note that the run that set up the initial cross (since yuh seemed to like that argument on de first goal) came from Bradley who crept in behind Edwards before collecting the ball over top and crossing to Donovan, who then selflessly set up Altidore all alone in the middle.
Edwards had a very poor first half, and offensively a disastrous game. But the least that can be said is that in the 2nd half he tighten up defensively and was holding his own down in that corner with Donovan coming at him. And all this is despite the lack of help from Daniel on the wing.
How de ass was Donovan coming at him on the left wing and Donovan played left midfield (our right wing) the whole night? In the first half he embarrassed Wolfe our RB, in the second half it was Hislop... again at RB. Donovan was never his responsibility Altidore was. Whenever Altidore threatened Edwards was the man marking him. Like allyuh men need to really go back and watch dat game because whatever allyuh was seeing live wasn't translating on TV. Here are the highlights... everything I said in blue above can be verified here.
Pay close attention to:
0:51 (first goal)
1:30
2:47 (ball over top in space to Altidore who DID NOT come in from a central striker position but from the wing... Edwards lost in space)
3:06 (Beasley's header right to Ince... see who playing space cadet again)
5:50 thereabouts... ball over the top of space cadet Edwards to a wide open Bradley on the left wing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aOnjwmIdGZU
... what you don't see in the highlights are the opportunities that didn't amount to much, but you'll see that Altidore was largely being shadowed by Edwards whenever he came in, because the Americans made Edwards a target. Clearly I's not the only one saying it.
You also see a healthy dose of abuse on the RW as well.
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Player Ratings: USA 3-0 Trinidad & Tobago.
By: Greg Lalas (Goal.com).
Hat-trick hero Jozy Altidore tops the rankings, but his frontrunning partner, Brian Ching, is right there with him after another strong supporting performance.
USA
Tim Howard: 6. Untested from start to finish. T&T recorded just one shot on goal.
DaMarcus Beasley: 5.5. Playing an unfamiliar position at left back, looked to get into the attack in the first half. Faded as the second half came and couldn’t keep up with Carlos Edwards.
Carlos Bocanegra: 6. Simple and clean as a good Sancerre. Probably should’ve done better with a second-half header that missed the mark.
Oguchi Onyewu: 5.5. Struggled with his touch and his distribution in the first half, but was strong in the air battling Kenwyne Jones for high balls. Not the easiest feat.
Frankie Hejduk: 7. Active and fearless getting up the right flank. His crosses are still hit or miss, but made a brilliant tackle to stop a dangerous-looking T&T break in the second half.
Landon Donovan: 7. Good run and pass to set up the first goal; a better run and pass to set up the second. Three assists could see Donovan permanently at the left midfield position.
Michael Bradley: 6. Comfortable on the ball, while playing his most defensive game in recent memory. Probably could’ve had a shot himself on the play that led to Altidore’s third goal.
Pablo Mastroeni: 6.5. A steadying presence in the midfield, showed his poise on the ball and toughness in the tackle. And no stupid fouls in dangerous areas. Exactly what the team needed after the indecisive midfield performance in El Salvador.
Clint Dempsey: 5.5. Never really got involved, had trouble finding space. Did well to adjust and come inside so Hejduk could keep overlapping like a madman.
Jozy Altidore: 8. A statement—in triplicate. His first goal was a tap in, his third a goalkeeper mistake, but the second was world class. A hat-trick may not earn him any time with his club team, but it should convince coach Bob Bradley that he needs to be in the starting XI.
Brian Ching: 8. Another subtly masterful performance. Truly masterful. His flicked header led to the first goal. His running off the ball was tireless and creative, consistently opening up space for his teammates.
Substitutions
Jose Francisco Torres (81’): N/A.
Sacha Kljestan (84’): N/A.
Trinidad & Tobago
Clayton Ince: 5. Nothing he could do on the first two goals after his defense let him down. Horrible error on the third goal.
Aklie Edwards: 4.5. Out of his depth. Lost Altidore for the first goal. A sloppy tackle produced the game’s only yellow card.
Keyeno Thomas: 6.5. One of T&T’s only bright lights. Big, tough, and willing to battle with Ching for air balls. Plus, made smart decisions on when to step up and defend high.
Dennis Lawrence: 5. Practically unseen in the first 45, then made to look silly by Altidore on the second goal.
Anthony Wolfe: 4. Overmatched against Donovan, and lost possession much too easily. Left for dead on the play that led to the first goal.
Keon Daniel: 5.5. Good first step and tried to make things happen on the left flank. Couldn’t get past Hejduk enough to deliver a truly dangerous ball. Had a decent attempt on a rebound from a free kick.
Clyde Leon: 4.5. Was he even on the field? Invisible from the opening kick.
Christopher Birchall: 5. Largely overwhelmed in the middle, with little distribution up to the forwards. Any extra touch on the ball was shut down quickly by Mastroeni and Bradley.
Carlos Edwards: 6.5. The Soca Warriors other bright light. Crafty and tenacious on the ball, but with so little help behind him, was forced to hold back too often. His world-class speed caused problems for Beasley in the second half.
Stern John: 5. Not what one would expect from someone with 69 career international goals. Made Trinidad fans miss 37-year-old Dwight Yorke that much more.
Kenwyne Jones: 6. Showed that he plays in a top league, providing a decent target option. But he had no help. And he missed his one half-chance, putting his shot just past the bar.
Substitutions
Makan Hislop (46’): 4.5. No more effective than Aklie Edwards at stopping Donovan. Skinned alive for the second goal. But, hey, he didn’t get booked.
Khaleem Hyland (56’): 5. Made one nice run into the attack but nothing came of it.
Jason Scotland (72’): 5. Nothing of note.
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BnS you like you on ah crusade fella. Edwards had to rotate on many ocassions to try and cover Altidore. Altidore wasn't his charge for the night, the left wing was. Watching live I noticed the US strategically attempted to get our wing backs out of position by sucking them more to the middle then sending the ball down the flank. Edwards was exposed there a lot in the first half because there was no rotation to help him in that corner once he ended up chasing the initial attack option that started near his coverage area. When the attack came down on Wolfe and Hislop's side, Edwards was always in the position of trying to rotate over to cover and because Altidore was the closest man he always ended up tracking him. I will not be so outrageous as to say he wasn't partially at fault for goal #1. But beyond that he isn't the one to be blamed for a total below average defensive effort. Allyuh talking all that shit and nobody eh seem to be taking Hislop no Tallest fuh dat matter to task on that second goal. Maybe Edwards possesed their bodies during the instant that they do shit on that goal ah guess!
Allyuh keep talkin bout what allyuh see on TV. The same TV that have some proclaiming Stern was good. Live Stern looked like shit to me and many others but hey allyuh ha de benefit of TV so the stuff the camera wasn't seeing that many in the stadium noticed must be irrelivant.
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Finally seen some highlights so I can't say too much about the game. Neither wing back seemed to cover themselves in any glory, but clearly our right back (Wolfe) put the whole defense under pressure by his inept play. That first US goal you can see any defender in the EPL get beaten like that. Not saying that it's acceptable, just that it's not that uncommon to see more experienced defenders get burned like that.
I almost want to see the whole game now because highlights don't give you the story at all.
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Finally seen some highlights so I can't say too much about the game. Neither wing back seemed to cover themselves in any glory, but clearly our right back (Wolfe) put the whole defense under pressure by his inept play. That first US goal you can see any defender in the EPL get beaten like that. Not saying that it's acceptable, just that it's not that uncommon to see more experienced defenders get burned like that.
I almost want to see the whole game now because highlights don't give you the story at all.
They never will. I have also seen experienced defenders loose a man in similar fashion to Edwards like on that first goal as well. To hear some in here tell it he is the worst defender in history though.
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no where did i mentioned aklie and his perfomance in any favorable way, if it was up to me fellas like aklie , leon , daniel and hislop would only get playing time in ah game when we have a substantual lead and we could afford tuh give dem a 15 mins without hurting our chances.
dem men not ready yet, they need time tuh learn well and build confidence. the only rookies IMO that ready for the big stage is roberts, jaggy and hyland.
Like against El Salvador? :'( Them men shouldn't touch the field for a national team EVER. In fact they should hang up their boots for LIFE!
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I'm convinced the people on this site are all novices......EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE GOALS ARE THE RESULT OF THE FAILURE OF DEFENSIVE DUTIES OF THE MIDFIELD!!! EVERY LAST ONE!!!! I cyar be the only one seeing this.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BACK FOUR. OUR MIDFIELD IS LAZY.
People here probably never play defence. When the midfield does not plug the space between defenders, or track back with men coming running in from midfield, especially men with speed or well timed runs, the 4 best defenders in the world will look ordinary and lost.
As a defender in the back 3 or 4, especially on the wings, when yuh midfield not helping....all yuh does see is space. Its very frightening. And that is what I see when the Warriors playing.
OUR PROBLEM ALWAYS WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE OUR MIDFIELD.
Allyuh leave Aklie alone.
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I'm convinced the people on this site are all novices......EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE GOALS ARE THE RESULT OF THE FAILURE OF DEFENSIVE DUTIES OF THE MIDFIELD!!! EVERY LAST ONE!!!! I cyar be the only one seeing this.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BACK FOUR. OUR MIDFIELD IS LAZY.
People here probably never play defence. When the midfield does not plug the space between defenders, or track back with men coming running in from midfield, especially men with speed or well timed runs, the 4 best defenders in the world will look ordinary and lost.
As a defender in the back 3 or 4, especially on the wings, when yuh midfield not helping....all yuh does see is space. Its very frightening. And that is what I see when the Warriors playing.
OUR PROBLEM ALWAYS WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE OUR MIDFIELD.
Allyuh leave Aklie alone.
I am not going to pong Aklie or Wolfe here. But your assessment about the midfield being lazy is really wide o the mark. Birchy and De Loen were a little overwhelmed, but worked hard. They weren't always effective, but the two of them were trying hard to plug the gaps in the middle and honestly, the US hardly broke us down through the middle. Carlos had a good game defensively in my opinion, and anyone who can call him or Birchall..(half the midfield on that day) lazy, is the true novice. Problem is, the US packed there two fastest players on Carlos side knowing he could not be expected to track overlapping runs by Beasley and stop runs by Donovan at the same time. You may not have found it the most effective MF we ever put out, but except for Keon Daniel..that MF look like it was working real hard. Carlos in particular, as he was tracking back..putting in tackles and still busting a lung to get down the line. Respectfully disagree with your assessment on the workrate of the midfield
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EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE GOALS ARE THE RESULT OF THE FAILURE OF DEFENSIVE DUTIES OF THE MIDFIELD!!! EVERY LAST ONE!!!! I cyar be the only one seeing this.
Yeah boy you hadda be the only one seeing that. Even Ince was bawlin d man up. I am sure he knows more about who should be covering whom, and was yellign at hime for a reason.
Akile is your partner or what? D man play shit and had a bad game. No one is saying he's a bad player. Everyone has bad games.
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All he needed 2 say dat we did not have a plan so it was easy 2 break it down.
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On the 1st goal Edwards stand up facing we goal and watching the Wolfe get beat, when he turn to look for Jozi Jozi already have position on him. The same thing happen on the one that Jozi hit over bars. Jozi see what happening anticipated and start running, Akile facing his goal again, look around and only to see Jozi blowing past him.
Defending on the weak side you want to be facing the field at an angle wher you can see everything. You don't need to mark the man, because the time the ball will take to travel in the air you can arrive to either win the header or close the player down.
If Akile had dropped off and open up to the field it would have been more difficult for Jozi to start his run further out cause Akile would have had position. Akile would have been able to attack the ball moving forward, and just kick the ball long. Even if he had miskick the ball would have bee routed away from Jozi thus, doing his defensive duties. He was caught in no man's land on the weakside on numerous occasions.
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Altidore: I'm a hungry player.
FIFA.COM
With 30 minutes to go in El Salvador on 28 March, USA were down by two and in desperate need of a spark. Up stepped 19-year-old substitute Jozy Altidore to score the first goal in an eventual 2-2 draw. Four days later, at home against Trinidad and Tobago in his first start of the final round of CONCACAF qualifying for the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™, the muscular striker went a step further, hammering all three goals in a comprehensive win.
It was a defining four-day stretch for the former youth standout, who , after becoming the first American scorer in La Liga when he moved to Villarreal at the start of the season, now finds himself out of favour on loan at second division leaders Xerez. FIFA.com sat down for an exclusive interview with the American poacher to chat about his ups and downs in Spain and his meteoric rise for the Stars and Stripes.
FIFA.com: How did it feel to come on as a sub late in El Salvador, down 2-0 and knowing goals were needed?
Jozy Altidore: I was pretty excited when the coach tapped me and told me I was going in. At that point I felt we still had the game in our hands. It was ours to win or lose, so I was ready to go in there and do what I could to help get some goals and get the result going our way.
It was some quite a scene down there, with over 50,000 fans screaming in full voice. Were you nervous?
The atmosphere was pretty crazy, but I was focussed on what I had to do.
Veteran Frankie Hejduk set up the goal you scored to make it 2-1 and then scored the winner himself in the dying moments. How important is the 34-year-old midfielder to the US team?
Hejduk is a unique player and you can't underestimate what he brings to this team. A lot of our guys are on the younger side, but Frankie has been there and done it all. He has experience and more energy than most guys ten years younger than him. As you can see from what he's done so far in the final round, he's invaluable.
You became the youngest scorer in the USA's qualifying history in El Salvador. How did that feel?
It's nice to score goals, but I always try to focus on the team and helping the team get the results that are going to put us where we want to be.
Four days later, in Nashville, you were in from the start against Trinidad and Tobago. This time you scored all three in a 3-0 win...
I was even more excited about that. It's not every day that you get to start for your country. It's an honour that I think sometimes people don't really understand. It brings a lot of responsibility with it, but I couldn't have been happier to have done what I could to help the team out. As a striker, scoring a hat-trick is always a good feeling.
The States are on top in CONCACAF qualifying with seven points from three games. Are you happy with the way the team is playing, or can you get better?
I think, personally, the team can always get better. Once you sit there and think you're as good as you need to be, then you're in big trouble. We're playing well and getting the right results at the moment, but I think we can, and need to, do better. We need to be sharper as the games get tougher, and they will get tougher as the final round keeps on going.
As the US are in fine form, your archrivals Mexico have fallen flat. Are you concerned about a revitalised Mexico under new coach Javier Aguirre?
We're not concerned about Mexico at all. Whatever's going on with them is their business. We can't focus on Mexico, El Salvador, Trinidad or anyone else - we need to focus on ourselves and the way we're playing. That's enough to worry about.
How much of a challenge is it for the national team to come together quickly, become acclimatized and get results?
Coming together from your clubs and getting a good strong team out there that plays together as a unit is a big challenge. I think the fact that we do it is a testament to the coaches and the discipline of the players. It's a little better when you have two-game breaks.
Talk a little bit about American teamwork; it seems to be the team's hallmark...
We're a blue-collar team and we always try to make it hard on our opponent. Teamwork is what makes us effective. Our primary aim is to outwork our opponent as a team and then it's down to our individual talents to take advantage of the situation. The level of ability we have here in the States is often underestimated.
Last time we spoke, you had become the first-ever American scorer in La Liga and making good progress with Villarreal. Now you are on loan at second division leaders Xerez. Can you talk about the adjustment?
In all honesty, it was a big adjustment for me to pick up and move off to Xerez. But I am getting acclimated now and it's a great bunch of guys here and we're doing very well at the moment. I came here at a tough time, but I feel like I'm making my way forward now and I'm getting more used to the culture here in Spain.
What is the most important thing to remember when you find yourself out of favour, and trying to break into a team?
You have to focus on where you are. Sometimes as a young player you can find yourself looking ahead to where you want to be and miss out on the chance that comes your way because you're not focussed on the task at hand.
Things can happen fast in football...
Yeah, I mean look at the kid [Federico Macheda] at Manchester United. Things changed really quickly for him. He went from the youth team to scoring a crucial winner [against Aston Villa] in no time. You have to be ready because things can change in the blink of an eye. I'm a hungry player, and I hope to be ready at all times.
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I eh know what all dis debate over which defender was worse than the other on is all about or even if it necessary, is probably ah man thing and all yuh need to get one up on each other....
Bottom line is BOTH Wolfe and Aklie/Akiel not ready RIGHT NOW for the level of international ball WCQ requires...
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I eh know what all dis debate over which defender was worse than the other on is all about or even if it necessary, is probably ah man thing and all yuh need to get one up on each other....
Bottom line is BOTH Wolfe and Aklie/Akiel not ready RIGHT NOW for the level of international ball WCQ requires...
It eh no man thing really nah. Is about differing perspectives. Considering we eh seem to be getting back the likes of Sancho, Cyd, etc. then we have to use what we have. Man sayin Pacheco like they sure he ready. Some want to bring JJ and convert him from CB to WB like it go just be automatic. Edwards not fully ready yet I agree, but if left up to some of these people he would be discarded and more than likely deteriorate. Take Theo Walcott for instance in England, all he seems to have is speed but coach after coach seem to be keeping him in the roatation more than Lennon and SWP when many will agree they better. Sometimes we have to evaluate players based on age and potential. At Edwards age he have time to grow into the man we might one day praise. If he had Carlos backing him up I guarantee he would not look half as bad. People discounting Dempsey saying he eh do much but is not by design. in the second half the US tried their right Flank 4 times and Edwards shut them down 3 out of 4.
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BnS you like you on ah crusade fella.
By your continued insistance on engaging in the discussion... is it fair to infer that YOU yourself you're on a crusade? Edwards is yuh li'l brother or long lost lover or something? Is it possible that people engage in lively discussion on an issue without being on a 'crusade'? In fact my first post in this thread was one faulting BOTH Edwards and Wolfe (which most objective observers have done), while expressing sympathy for them. So you tell me, what crusade do you think I'm on?
Edwards had to rotate on many ocassions to try and cover Altidore. Altidore wasn't his charge for the night, the left wing was.
Whoever said Altidore was Edwards' charge for the night? You sure yuh reading de same thread or just making up thing so that yuh could argue about?
Watching live I noticed the US strategically attempted to get our wing backs out of position by sucking them more to the middle then sending the ball down the flank. Edwards was exposed there a lot in the first half because there was no rotation to help him in that corner once he ended up chasing the initial attack option that started near his coverage area. When the attack came down on Wolfe and Hislop's side, Edwards was always in the position of trying to rotate over to cover and because Altidore was the closest man he always ended up tracking him. I will not be so outrageous as to say he wasn't partially at fault for goal #1. But beyond that he isn't the one to be blamed for a total below average defensive effort. Allyuh talking all that shit and nobody eh seem to be taking Hislop no Tallest fuh dat matter to task on that second goal. Maybe Edwards possesed their bodies during the instant that they do shit on that goal ah guess!
Allyuh keep talkin bout what allyuh see on TV. The same TV that have some proclaiming Stern was good. Live Stern looked like shit to me and many others but hey allyuh ha de benefit of TV so the stuff the camera wasn't seeing that many in the stadium noticed must be irrelivant.
I wouldn't even bother going back and forth with you... you quick to ball man going "on and on" yet every thread Edwards name mention you buzzing in like he favorite bamsee fly talking about what you see live. There is something to be said for being in the stadium and taking in the atmosphere and seeing off ball movement of the players etc. However, it is downright silly to insist that you somehow have a better perspective of what played out on the field on account of you seeing the action live... when the TV audience has close ups, multiple angles and replay at their disposal. I'm not saying TV perspective is better, just that it is silly (as you imply) that what your perpective was somehow "better" because you saw it happen live. Pure nonsense.
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EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE GOALS ARE THE RESULT OF THE FAILURE OF DEFENSIVE DUTIES OF THE MIDFIELD!!! EVERY LAST ONE!!!! I cyar be the only one seeing this.
Yeah boy you hadda be the only one seeing that. Even Ince was bawlin d man up. I am sure he knows more about who should be covering whom, and was yellign at hime for a reason.
Akile is your partner or what? D man play shit and had a bad game. No one is saying he's a bad player. Everyone has bad games.
I dunno what so hard about that concept nah... but nah, if yuh criticize de man at all you "on ah crusade"... ::)
On the 1st goal Edwards stand up facing we goal and watching the Wolfe get beat, when he turn to look for Jozi Jozi already have position on him. The same thing happen on the one that Jozi hit over bars. Jozi see what happening anticipated and start running, Akile facing his goal again, look around and only to see Jozi blowing past him.
Defending on the weak side you want to be facing the field at an angle wher you can see everything. You don't need to mark the man, because the time the ball will take to travel in the air you can arrive to either win the header or close the player down.
If Akile had dropped off and open up to the field it would have been more difficult for Jozi to start his run further out cause Akile would have had position. Akile would have been able to attack the ball moving forward, and just kick the ball long. Even if he had miskick the ball would have bee routed away from Jozi thus, doing his defensive duties. He was caught in no man's land on the weakside on numerous occasions.
...ah next one on ah 'crusade'.
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BnS you like you on ah crusade fella.
By your continued insistance on engaging in the discussion... is it fair to infer that YOU yourself you're on a crusade? Edwards is yuh li'l brother or long lost lover or something? Is it possible that people engage in lively discussion on an issue without being on a 'crusade'? In fact my first post in this thread was one faulting BOTH Edwards and Wolfe (which most objective observers have done), while expressing sympathy for them. So you tell me, what crusade do you think I'm on?
Edwards had to rotate on many ocassions to try and cover Altidore. Altidore wasn't his charge for the night, the left wing was.
Whoever said Altidore was Edwards' charge for the night? You sure yuh reading de same thread or just making up thing so that yuh could argue about?
Watching live I noticed the US strategically attempted to get our wing backs out of position by sucking them more to the middle then sending the ball down the flank. Edwards was exposed there a lot in the first half because there was no rotation to help him in that corner once he ended up chasing the initial attack option that started near his coverage area. When the attack came down on Wolfe and Hislop's side, Edwards was always in the position of trying to rotate over to cover and because Altidore was the closest man he always ended up tracking him. I will not be so outrageous as to say he wasn't partially at fault for goal #1. But beyond that he isn't the one to be blamed for a total below average defensive effort. Allyuh talking all that shit and nobody eh seem to be taking Hislop no Tallest fuh dat matter to task on that second goal. Maybe Edwards possesed their bodies during the instant that they do shit on that goal ah guess!
Allyuh keep talkin bout what allyuh see on TV. The same TV that have some proclaiming Stern was good. Live Stern looked like shit to me and many others but hey allyuh ha de benefit of TV so the stuff the camera wasn't seeing that many in the stadium noticed must be irrelivant.
I wouldn't even bother going back and forth with you... you quick to ball man going "on and on" yet every thread Edwards name mention you buzzing in like he favorite bamsee fly talking about what you see live. There is something to be said for being in the stadium and taking in the atmosphere and seeing off ball movement of the players etc. However, it is downright silly to insist that you somehow have a better perspective of what played out on the field on account of you seeing the action live... when the TV audience has close ups, multiple angles and replay at their disposal. I'm not saying TV perspective is better, just that it is silly (as you imply) that what your perpective was somehow "better" because you saw it happen live. Pure nonsense.
He seems to be allyuh whippin boy so I choose to defend the decision to include him. It eh ha nutten to do with him on a personal level. If I see him in the street I not even sure to recognize him. Long lost lover and he favorite bamsee fly?!! I doh understand why it seems that most of your attempts to shit up man does ha to do with something homosexual nah. Either way guy, is not like I does be saying he is ah defensive genius or that he's complete. I always admit that the fella have flaws. His flaws become even more visible because of Daniel's inneficiency in defense. While watching the game I saw a pattern of poor rotation that left him exposed many times in the first half. In the second half I noticed he better controlled his defensive area when the US tried that route. Oh and by the way you is the one that say he was marking Altidore, (so unless you confused about football terminology or yuh forget what yuh wrote) that is why I mentioned that he wasn't charged with the responsibility of containing Altidore. I await your further homosexual attempts to be witty cause ah sure yuh will come back.
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He seems to be allyuh whippin boy so I choose to defend the decision to include him. It eh ha nutten to do with him on a personal level. If I see him in the street I not even sure to recognize him.
So is nutten personal fuh you but you assume it's personal with us who criticising his performance? Why would I be on a 'crusade' if I'm expressing sympathy for the yute? Yuh ent see dat is jackass talk?
Long lost lover and he favorite bamsee fly?!! I doh understand why it seems that most of your attempts to shit up man does ha to do with something homosexual nah.
So wait... you chronicling "most" of my attempts to shit up man now? Doh be mad if corn land in yuh yard... de way yuh running from thread to thread ready to defend ANY criticism of Edwards, good, bad or indifferent... one could only conclude that you have some kinda special emotional tie to his well-being... something usually only seen among family or lovers. Take it how yuh want it.
Either way guy, is not like I does be saying he is ah defensive genius or that he's complete. I always admit that the fella have flaws. His flaws become even more visible because of Daniel's inneficiency in defense. While watching the game I saw a pattern of poor rotation that left him exposed many times in the first half. In the second half I noticed he better controlled his defensive area when the US tried that route. Oh and by the way you is the one that say he was marking Altidore, (so unless you confused about football terminology or yuh forget what yuh wrote) that is why I mentioned that he wasn't charged with the responsibility of containing Altidore. I await your further homosexual attempts to be witty cause ah sure yuh will come back.
I didn't forget anything... is you who forget yuh Standard 3 Reading Comprehension lessons. Just because I say he was covering Altidore most of the night doesn't mean he was charged with that duty... yuh bright 'til yuh dotish. Just as you pointed out Altidore, instead of coming down the middle was coming in from further wide because the game plan of the US was to push Dempsey forward enough such that the overlapping help would be too preoccupied. This left Daniel isolated against Altidore on the majority of his runs forward. All you have to do is look at the tape of the match and you'll see this. Even the player rating that Flex post said he was in over his head... save for the Beasley header... who else you seem him matched up against in the highlights? The highlights are a synopsis of what happened all night.
Yuh could siddung and wait fuh man to come back and call yuh homo all yuh want... ah sure yuh used to it.
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Yuh could siddung and wait fuh man to come back and call yuh homo all yuh want... ah sure yuh used to it.
Like you forget is multiple forums we both on. I doh ha to chronicle nutten guy. Bout land in my yard?!! Somebody only ha to see 2 threads where you in disagreement with an opinion to see yuh battyman obsession. I doh care wha you or anybody else call me. Yuh feel dem ignorant primary schol behavior could affect me? Try yuh bess eh fella. I been in about 3 threads where the fella get mentioned and responded. So either yuh stalkin man profile, or yuh trailin de man in every thread to bash him. Maybe is ah internet version ah Tobago Love yuh tryin who knows?!
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So either yuh stalkin man profile, or yuh trailin de man in every thread to bash him. Maybe is ah internet version ah Tobago Love yuh tryin who knows?!
Optimus Prime, I am here to tell you unequivocaly, that BIG MEN dont do that sort of thing on THIS forum :devil: :devil:
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So either yuh stalkin man profile, or yuh trailin de man in every thread to bash him. Maybe is ah internet version ah Tobago Love yuh tryin who knows?!
Optimus Prime, I am here to tell you unequivocaly, that BIG MEN dont do that sort of thing on THIS forum :devil: :devil:
Allyuh good f**k up oui!! :rotfl:
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Like you forget is multiple forums we both on. I doh ha to chronicle nutten guy. Bout land in my yard?!! Somebody only ha to see 2 threads where you in disagreement with an opinion to see yuh battyman obsession.
Yuh li'l reverse psychology jedi tricks eh go do you know good fella... just because ah tell yuh yuh acting like de yute is yuh lover dat doh mean ah suddenly "obsessed" with yuh... whatever yuh does call yuhself when yuh gaze in de mirror.
I doh care wha you or anybody else call me. Yuh feel dem ignorant primary schol behavior could affect me? Try yuh bess eh fella.
Yuh certainly acting like yuh corn mash because all ah sudden yuh ent making de same shit argument about Aklie Edwards holding he own... yuh now defending de 'battyman' label yuh claim fuh yuhself. As Brownsugar say, maybe dis is yuh way of asserting yuh 'manhood'.
I been in about 3 threads where the fella get mentioned and responded. So either yuh stalkin man profile, or yuh trailin de man in every thread to bash him. Maybe is ah internet version ah Tobago Love yuh tryin who knows?!
A funny claim considering that I didn't 'bash' him in this thread... and still yuh panty fly up. If is you yuh claim I stalking then dat too would be funny... considering I didn't even address you in this thread until you saw fit to quote me and accuse me of having some yet to be identified 'agenda'.
Optimus Prime, I am here to tell you unequivocaly, that BIG MEN dont do that sort of thing on THIS forum :devil: :devil:
Yuh right... is only maccomere man like you does do that.... going so far as to even PM man behind de scenes to gossip about next man. And you is HOW OLD again?? It eh have ah bigger marketwoman on dis forum than... even de fukking woman and dem calling you out on yuh faggit behavior. I have absolutely no qualms about calling you a fukking homo because it's plainly obvious.
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Yuh right... is only maccomere man like you does do that.... going so far as to even PM man behind de scenes to gossip about next man. And you is HOW OLD again?? It eh have ah bigger marketwoman on dis forum than... even de f**kking woman and dem calling you out on yuh faggit behavior. I have absolutely no qualms about calling you a f**kking homo because it's plainly obvious.
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believe WHO ever you WANT to believe
and I would NEVER pm you NEVER
the Moderators have to get a IGNORE button
ONLY, The SMART posters will totally understand what Optimus Prime is saying
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Like you forget is multiple forums we both on. I doh ha to chronicle nutten guy. Bout land in my yard?!! Somebody only ha to see 2 threads where you in disagreement with an opinion to see yuh battyman obsession.
Yuh li'l reverse psychology jedi tricks eh go do you know good fella... just because ah tell yuh yuh acting like de yute is yuh lover dat doh mean ah suddenly "obsessed" with yuh... whatever yuh does call yuhself when yuh gaze in de mirror.
I doh care wha you or anybody else call me. Yuh feel dem ignorant primary schol behavior could affect me? Try yuh bess eh fella.
Yuh certainly acting like yuh corn mash because all ah sudden yuh ent making de same shit argument about Aklie Edwards holding he own... yuh now defending de 'battyman' label yuh claim fuh yuhself. As Brownsugar say, maybe dis is yuh way of asserting yuh 'manhood'.
I been in about 3 threads where the fella get mentioned and responded. So either yuh stalkin man profile, or yuh trailin de man in every thread to bash him. Maybe is ah internet version ah Tobago Love yuh tryin who knows?!
A funny claim considering that I didn't 'bash' him in this thread... and still yuh panty fly up. If is you yuh claim I stalking then dat too would be funny... considering I didn't even address you in this thread until you saw fit to quote me and accuse me of having some yet to be identified 'agenda'.
You rell comical yes fella an yuh comprehension skills well off too. Me eh ha to assert nor defend nutten here fuh nobody, and I eh need to be redundant about what I conclude about AE performance. Ah go leh yuh get the last word today cause ah kno yuh cah help but strive fuh dat.
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I'm convinced the people on this site are all novices......EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE GOALS ARE THE RESULT OF THE FAILURE OF DEFENSIVE DUTIES OF THE MIDFIELD!!! EVERY LAST ONE!!!! I cyar be the only one seeing this.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BACK FOUR. OUR MIDFIELD IS LAZY.
People here probably never play defence. When the midfield does not plug the space between defenders, or track back with men coming running in from midfield, especially men with speed or well timed runs, the 4 best defenders in the world will look ordinary and lost.
As a defender in the back 3 or 4, especially on the wings, when yuh midfield not helping....all yuh does see is space. Its very frightening. And that is what I see when the Warriors playing.
OUR PROBLEM ALWAYS WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE OUR MIDFIELD.
Allyuh leave Aklie alone.
I am not going to pong Aklie or Wolfe here. But your assessment about the midfield being lazy is really wide o the mark. Birchy and De Loen were a little overwhelmed, but worked hard. They weren't always effective, but the two of them were trying hard to plug the gaps in the middle and honestly, the US hardly broke us down through the middle. Carlos had a good game defensively in my opinion, and anyone who can call him or Birchall..(half the midfield on that day) lazy, is the true novice. Problem is, the US packed there two fastest players on Carlos side knowing he could not be expected to track overlapping runs by Beasley and stop runs by Donovan at the same time. You may not have found it the most effective MF we ever put out, but except for Keon Daniel..that MF look like it was working real hard. Carlos in particular, as he was tracking back..putting in tackles and still busting a lung to get down the line. Respectfully disagree with your assessment on the workrate of the midfield
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1st Goal.....
Wolfe is upfield, Keyeno comes across to cover...big gap. Donovan just runs straight through the gap FROM MIDFIELD, receives the "give and go" and crosses. WHO WAS RUNNING WITH OR COVERING DONOVAN!!!? Who should have been!!!?? Where was Leon or Birchall or Carlos?
2nd AND 3rd Goal...
Altidore is all alone unmarked SAUNTERING through midfield, free as a bird collects ball with all the time in the world and scores. Why is Altidore so free and unattended in defensive midfield territory on both those goals?
Remember this novices...."Defence ENDS with the backline", it does not START there.
OUR MIDFIELD NEEDS TO HELP PLUG THE GAPS IN DEFENCE.
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I'm convinced the people on this site are all novices......EVERY LAST ONE OF THOSE GOALS ARE THE RESULT OF THE FAILURE OF DEFENSIVE DUTIES OF THE MIDFIELD!!! EVERY LAST ONE!!!! I cyar be the only one seeing this.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BACK FOUR. OUR MIDFIELD IS LAZY.
People here probably never play defence. When the midfield does not plug the space between defenders, or track back with men coming running in from midfield, especially men with speed or well timed runs, the 4 best defenders in the world will look ordinary and lost.
As a defender in the back 3 or 4, especially on the wings, when yuh midfield not helping....all yuh does see is space. Its very frightening. And that is what I see when the Warriors playing.
OUR PROBLEM ALWAYS WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE OUR MIDFIELD.
Allyuh leave Aklie alone.
I am not going to pong Aklie or Wolfe here. But your assessment about the midfield being lazy is really wide o the mark. Birchy and De Loen were a little overwhelmed, but worked hard. They weren't always effective, but the two of them were trying hard to plug the gaps in the middle and honestly, the US hardly broke us down through the middle. Carlos had a good game defensively in my opinion, and anyone who can call him or Birchall..(half the midfield on that day) lazy, is the true novice. Problem is, the US packed there two fastest players on Carlos side knowing he could not be expected to track overlapping runs by Beasley and stop runs by Donovan at the same time. You may not have found it the most effective MF we ever put out, but except for Keon Daniel..that MF look like it was working real hard. Carlos in particular, as he was tracking back..putting in tackles and still busting a lung to get down the line. Respectfully disagree with your assessment on the workrate of the midfield
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1st Goal.....
Wolfe is upfield, Keyeno comes across to cover...big gap. Donovan just runs straight through the gap FROM MIDFIELD, receives the "give and go" and crosses. WHO WAS RUNNING WITH OR COVERING DONOVAN!!!? Who should have been!!!?? Where was Leon or Birchall or Carlos?
2nd AND 3rd Goal...
Altidore is all alone unmarked SAUNTERING through midfield, free as a bird collects ball with all the time in the world and scores. Why is Altidore so free and unattended in defensive midfield territory on both those goals?
Remember this novices...."Defence ENDS with the backline", it does not START there.
OUR MIDFIELD NEEDS TO HELP PLUG THE GAPS IN DEFENCE.
Defensive midfielder territory inside the 18? So we line of confrontation is inside the 6 then?
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1st Goal.....
Wolfe is upfield, Keyeno comes across to cover...big gap. Donovan just runs straight through the gap FROM MIDFIELD, receives the "give and go" and crosses. WHO WAS RUNNING WITH OR COVERING DONOVAN!!!? Who should have been!!!?? Where was Leon or Birchall or Carlos?
2nd AND 3rd Goal...
Altidore is all alone unmarked SAUNTERING through midfield, free as a bird collects ball with all the time in the world and scores. Why is Altidore so free and unattended in defensive midfield territory on both those goals?
Remember this novices...."Defence ENDS with the backline", it does not START there.
OUR MIDFIELD NEEDS TO HELP PLUG THE GAPS IN DEFENCE.
soca...enough of the football 101 ::) i understand what you are saying, but we have a disconnect here. it is one thing to say that the midfield was beaten..it's another to say they are lazy. Imo even the most tireless players get beaten. especially when you play for a team as wasteful in possession as T&T where our mf is constantly getting caught out after making supporting runs for plays that never develop. Carlos in particular is going to get caught out a lot, as he is our main attacking threat and isn't going to always cover every inch of that right side. But I think he does a great job trying to balance his defensive and attacking duties.
I looked at all three goals again, and yes, the midfield had it's part to play. Of course they're not blameless. But in trying to make your point you come across as if the defense is blameless, when some serious schoolboy errors were made that could have prevented the ball form nestling in the back of our net. On all the goals, certain aspects of the defending is awful. You almost sound like defenders aren't actually supposed to do any work on the field ::) I understand that you'd like people to give a more balanced account of where the breakdowns in defense occured, but the defenders have to take their share of the blame, no matter how much more you think the midfield should have done
And relax wid all dat condescending jackass :bs: you going on wit day calling people novices. You really such ah arrogant prick you think people don't understand certain basics in the game? whatever yes
anyway..to finish. check these highlights and you will see how badly off you are on your call for the 1st and 3rd goals. Wolfe was the one who let Donavan go (Donavan did not make a deep run from mf that anyone else was supposed to track) and got caught ball watching. Carlos was pressing around the half way line to cut out the pass from Bocanegra. Could Wolfe have used some support from the mf? yep..but it was his man he let go. And Aklie let's Altidore brush him off after initially getting goalside and alongside the American. Aklie is also daydreaming on the 3rd goal, as is the rest of the defense. Looks like De Leon should have done better on goals 2 and 3, but by then Brichy is off the field and he is the only defensive midfielder and he looked overwhelmed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOnjwmIdGZU
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