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Sports => Football => Topic started by: palos on April 08, 2009, 06:24:26 PM
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
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if some sell out take place it wasnt a team effort. so ah really doubt it. some players really gave heart and soul
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nah n sell out, but I feel he get much resistance from the foreign based.
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i eh tink de players will do that.everybody is big man.if all ah them say get rid ah mats.that's that.
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" de game against de USA to get rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
If that was the case, I suggest all the fans
1. find a new team to support
2. demand that any player guilty of such atrocious actions never wear red, white and black ever again.
I kinda find it hard to believe that players would embarass their countrymen like that.
If anything, the expression on Birchall face when he get sub, the constant buffing from Ince, Carlos constant running and effort, and Stern determination to win the ball and advance would expunge those players from such actions.
Many of the players had their weaknesses exploited by superior oppositon. We received the same throttling in the previous round from the US, and the last time we played the US at this stage in CT, we shouldve received a more convincing cutarse than the 1-0 scoreline reflected, and Beenie was at the helm then!!!
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" de game against de USA to get rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
If that was the case, I suggest all the fans
1. find a new team to support
2. demand that any player guilty of such atrocious actions never wear red, white and black ever again.
I kinda find it hard to believe that players would embarass their countrymen like that.
If anything, the expression on Birchall face when he get sub, the constant buffing from Ince, Carlos constant running and effort, and Stern determination to win the ball and advance would expunge those players from such actions.
Many of the players had their weaknesses exploited by superior oppositon. We received the same throttling in the previous round from the US, and the last time we played the US at this stage in CT, we shouldve received a more convincing cutarse than the 1-0 scoreline reflected, and Beenie was at the helm then!!!
Good points. :beermug:
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Yuh could only sell out games that yuh could win in the first place lol
From the looks of it- we were simply beaten
From my point of view there was nothing to suggest that they didn't try to come ouf of that game with something.
Discontent with the coach could have psychological ill-effects that would have made it even more difficult to get points out of the game, but by all measures we were outplayed by a better team.
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I cant believe that you letting that man tell you who to play
that player is not ready
I cant believe that you doing this
It is very difficult to play for the TTFF
maybe that is what was said and some took it as those players selling out
good points ACB
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Maturana did not even have the full support of the administration. They undermined his authority as head coach on more than one occasion. So how can we expect the players to respect him when a bad example was set from those at the top.
As for your question I don't think the players intentionally sold the match. I think what we saw last week against de US has been more the norm than the exception for T&T football for the last 10+ years. 2006 was the exception. The norm for our team in general is one of inconsistency. We play well in one game then fall apart in a next game.
It seems like everything our team is turning the corner Jack Warner sabotages our success and drags our football backward. From 96 to 2000 Bertille St. Clair had steadily improved our team. We were beating the likes of Columbia and South Africa and we made it to the semis of the gold cup with a team that was missing Stern John, Shaka Hislop, Ian Cox, Ronnie Mauge after one game, and Dwight Yorke after 2 games.
Lo and behold Jack fires Bertille and hires the shitsnake Porterumfield and we collapse in the 2001 hex. In 2006 Beenie took us to the world cup and we had a nice foundation of success to build on and finally have some continuity with Wim as coach. Lo and behold Jack strikes again. He blacklists the world cup players and fires Wim for speaking out about not have the world cup players available. He then hires Maturana but does not allow him to choose his own staff and now we end up in a familiar position, bringing in a new coach during world cup qualifying and hoping once again for a miracle.
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Yuh could only sell out games that yuh could win in the first place lol
From the looks of it- we were simply beaten
From my point of view there was nothing to suggest that they didn't try to come ouf of that game with something.
Discontent with the coach could have psychological ill-effects that would have made it even more difficult to get points out of the game, but by all measures we were outplayed by a better team.
Of course we were outplayed. And of course we were beaten by a better team.
What was also quite evident was the lack of fight and determination shown by the majority of the team....save for those mentioned by acb....especially carlos edwards.
Maybe the explanation is no matter what you do...when you've lost a team...as maturana clearly had lost this one....these kind of performances might happen.
At the end of the day, players could vex wit coach all they want. They're the one's have to perform. If it's true they didn't support Maturana....well he's gone now and they cyah hide behind anybody else but deyself.
Be careful what you ask for....you just might get it. Spotlight firmly on allyuh...no more excuses. Over to you fellas.
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Maturana did not even have the full support of the administration. They undermined his authority as head coach on more than one occasion. So how can we expect the players to respect him when a bad example was set from those at the top.
As for your question I don't think the players intentionally sold the match. I think what we saw last week against de US has been more the norm than the exception for T&T football for the last 10+ years. 2006 was the exception. The norm for our team in general is one of inconsistency. We play well in one game then fall apart in a next game.
It seems like everything our team is turning the corner Jack Warner sabotages our success and drags our football backward. From 96 to 2000 Bertille St. Clair had steadily improved our team. We were beating the likes of Columbia and South Africa and we made it to the semis of the gold cup with a team that was missing Stern John, Shaka Hislop, Ian Cox, Ronnie Mauge after one game, and Dwight Yorke after 2 games.
Lo and behold Jack fires Bertille and hires the shitsnake Porterumfield and we collapse in the 2001 hex. In 2006 Beenie took us to the world cup and we had a nice foundation of success to build on and finally have some continuity with Wim as coach. Lo and behold Jack strikes again. He blacklists the world cup players and fires Wim for speaking out about not have the world cup players available. He then hires Maturana but does not allow him to choose his own staff and now we end up in a familiar position, bringing in a new coach during world cup qualifying and hoping once again for a miracle.
as the saying goes
"NUFF said" ;D
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Yuh could only sell out games that yuh could win in the first place lol
From the looks of it- we were simply beaten
From my point of view there was nothing to suggest that they didn't try to come ouf of that game with something.
Discontent with the coach could have psychological ill-effects that would have made it even more difficult to get points out of the game, but by all measures we were outplayed by a better team.
Of course we were outplayed. And of course we were beaten by a better team.
What was also quite evident was the lack of fight and determination shown by the majority of the team....save for those mentioned by acb....especially carlos edwards.
Maybe the explanation is no matter what you do...when you've lost a team...as maturana clearly had lost this one....these kind of performances might happen.
At the end of the day, players could vex wit coach all they want. They're the one's have to perform. If it's true they didn't support Maturana....well he's gone now and they cyah hide behind anybody else but deyself.
Be careful what you ask for....you just might get it. Spotlight firmly on allyuh...no more excuses. Over to you fellas.
That perceived lack of fight you talk about was more likely a lack of fitness or a mental beating...than a conscious collecive effort to "sell out".
I'm more inclined to agree with the bolded which was more or less my point when I said:
Discontent with the coach could have psychological ill-effects that would have made it even more difficult to get points out of the game
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" de game against de USA to get rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
It would not be the first time its happened in Football, but I for one think it is disgusting for professionals to act in that manner and disrespectful to supporters. So I really hope not.
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" de game against de USA to get rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
If that was the case, I suggest all the fans
1. find a new team to support
2. demand that any player guilty of such atrocious actions never wear red, white and black ever again.
I kinda find it hard to believe that players would embarass their countrymen like that.
If anything, the expression on Birchall face when he get sub, the constant buffing from Ince, Carlos constant running and effort, and Stern determination to win the ball and advance would expunge those players from such actions.
Many of the players had their weaknesses exploited by superior oppositon. We received the same throttling in the previous round from the US, and the last time we played the US at this stage in CT, we shouldve received a more convincing cutarse than the 1-0 scoreline reflected, and Beenie was at the helm then!!!
That's the bottom line ... I don't think they tanked the game.
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since it have another thread that addresses the fans purchasing truth serum for the players at the after match fete, maybe some of them would like to share whatever insight they get from mingling with the players in that setting.
Fans had to ask football questions. Yuh couldn't just pretend that we didn't get a proper cut tail.
Did the players say "no comment" ... or did they spill the beans?
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SELL OUT!!!!!. They were beaten fairly and squarely!!!!
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SELL OUT!!!!!. They were beaten fairly and squarely!!!!
Sell out is an inappropriate word. I will take it back.
What I meant to suggest is if players may have given less than their best and if so, could it be possible that they gave that kind of "effort" in the hopes that the coach would be dismissed.
There is no question that we were beaten fairly & squarely. That we were soundly beaten by a better side. But yuh could get beat and still fight, be competitive. For the most part, that was not apparent.
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Well, having looked at and spoken to some of the players after the game, they genuinely appeared to take the loss hard, maybe they could have been faking it but I doubt that...
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" de game against de USA to get rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
Let's not go overboard here. The fact that they did not support the coaching philosophy and selection and or strategy does not mean that when they strap the boots on they deliberately did not play. The psychology of the human being when he isn't completely sold ob a philosophy will make his effort appear less than stellar. When men were in and out of the team, showing no continuity and common sense affects players and teams of every caliber, from Chelsea to Ma Pau or a high school team. That is what Beenie had in 2006 that this team needs again to excel - a buy in to the philosophy and a coach who appears to know what he is doing.
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The issue with this, is that the nucleus of the team and the majority of the players in England. What can any coach do with them in just 5 days. Fitness is all left up to them. Do these guys look match fit to you all. How come they run their backside off in the EPL and they have a hard time against the US. I think Latas should build the nucleus around the locals let the big name foreign fill in the rest of spots. He should use his influence to instill a better work ethic. Everybody adores him. Lets see if they will work for him.
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Nuff, no disrespect but the problem I have with posts (not forumites) is that when something goes wrong, we automatically blame JW, but when things go better than expected, we don't give Jack his jacket - that is why he will forever torment football in TT. It's not your reply specifically, but the overall sentiment on the Forum.
you said: ... Lo and behold Jack fires Bertille and hires the shitsnake Porterumfield and we collapse in the 2001 hex. In 2006 Beenie took us to the world cup and we had a nice foundation of success to build on and finally have some continuity with Wim as coach ...
You forget to mention that JACK was the one who appoint Beenie in 2006. Prior to JW talking Beenie into the job, he probably had no clue where to point out T&T on a map.
then, ... Lo and behold Jack strikes again. He blacklists the world cup players and fires Wim for speaking out about not have the world cup players available. He then hires Maturana but does not allow him to choose his own staff and now we end up in a familiar position, bringing in a new coach during world cup qualifying and hoping once again for a miracle ...
Ever wonder why Wim stay in the first place? ... and who was paying Wim salary? - It wasn't the TTFF and it wasn't the Ministry of Sport. So, just like how Maturana resigned, Wim get suspended ;)
From the outset, Maturana had credentials to be a good coach. He should've also had the understanding of the Central American teams - so I don't think his appointment could have been a shock.
Now we have Latapy as a the coach - but who was it that coax Latapy back to T&T to fulfill Latapy's dream of coaching the Mens NT. He's wanted to do it since '06, but was convinced otherwise. He had a good thing going at Falkirk and gave it up to come back home, but you have to look at who facilitated that and give the man credit where credit is due.
JW has arguably done more than his share of wrong, but you have to build up a man before you can break him down.
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
Rubbish! This football not the young and the restless. Anyway, you proposed this question so what do you think?
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Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Well since the 2 players who single-handedly lost the game for us - Wolfe and A. Edwards - are less likely to play under another coach I don't see any reason why they would have sold out...even though it appears they did based on their performance or lack thereof
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Palos,
I would hope that a professional player would not resort to such a degree to cause a change. I would hope that they would consider how much is at stake to resort to doing that.
However in this 'high stakes' game, someone has to be a scapegoat. I still believe that there has not been a full disclosure on what TNT really wants in a national coach. If the prime goal is to qualify the team for the WC, then what is the process to get this done? is winning or qualifying for the Digicel/Caribbean cup a piece of the puzzle is the Gold Cup qualifying also a measure of that process?
1. What do we want the coach to accomplish?
2. How would we know if he is being successful?
3. what has to be done to assist in this success?
4 what has to be done if he is not meeting with success along the way?
5 Is there an accountability measure for the players?
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If the players know the coach is shite and he going to prevent them from makin a world cup with the crap he passing off as coachin, then I would agree with player power and mutiny as the only way to get rid of him rather than just sit on a boat and watch it sink.
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I said these guys were sending ah message in that game. Daniel did not even attempt to to do anything. The 1 time he went at a defender he look like he learning to dribble. At the start of the game Carlos just kicking the ball, Dennis Lawrence not saying anything. No communication whatsoever on the field. The players were like 11 zombies on the pitch.
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I said these guys were sending ah message in that game. Daniel did not even attempt to to do anything. The 1 time he went at a defender he look like he learning to dribble. At the start of the game Carlos just kicking the ball, Dennis Lawrence not saying anything. No communication whatsoever on the field. The players were like 11 zombies on the pitch.
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Ah hear yu...but is this the professional way of reacting to a situation yuh eh like? Ah mean if ah solider eh like tuh be on the front line what go happen? he go do things to get killed? if them players eh like what the coach doing sabotaging ah high stakes game doh seem like the answer fuh me.
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I said these guys were sending ah message in that game. Daniel did not even attempt to to do anything. The 1 time he went at a defender he look like he learning to dribble. At the start of the game Carlos just kicking the ball, Dennis Lawrence not saying anything. No communication whatsoever on the field. The players were like 11 zombies on the pitch.
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Ah hear yu...but is this the professional way of reacting to a situation yuh eh like? Ah mean if ah solider eh like tuh be on the front line what go happen? he go do things to get killed? if them players eh like what the coach doing sabotaging ah high stakes game doh seem like the answer fuh me.
Is true what you say. They coulda fight that out after putting up a better fight on the field. A.B. I talk to one of the more noteable players on the team and he say is fren ting going on on the team. So some men watching how they brethren getting leave out for a more senior player brethen. So is we vs dem vs alyuh. Let's se how much things will change now. I waiting for 6/6 to see who get call up and who ask to be excused for that game.
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Elan,
Them fellahs was not sending any message to Pacho. What happen last week in Nashville was a failure to perform. They just did not have what it take to win or at least draw.
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I said these guys were sending ah message in that game. Daniel did not even attempt to to do anything. The 1 time he went at a defender he look like he learning to dribble. At the start of the game Carlos just kicking the ball, Dennis Lawrence not saying anything. No communication whatsoever on the field. The players were like 11 zombies on the pitch.
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Ah hear yu...but is this the professional way of reacting to a situation yuh eh like? Ah mean if ah solider eh like tuh be on the front line what go happen? he go do things to get killed? if them players eh like what the coach doing sabotaging ah high stakes game doh seem like the answer fuh me.
Is true what you say. They coulda fight that out after putting up a better fight on the field. A.B. I talk to one of the more noteable players on the team and he say is fren ting going on on the team. So some men watching how they brethren getting leave out for a more senior player brethen. So is we vs dem vs alyuh. Let's se how much things will change now. I waiting for 6/6 to see who get call up and who ask to be excused for that game.
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Yuh know if this is the case, then having a coach with no allegiances could have been a wiser move; this begs thee question once more, when man cayra look in the mirror and take full responsibility for actions, it easier to attribute underachievement to someone else. The 'fault dear Brutus lies not in the stars but within'
Judging by that game against the USA, the Warriors that played did not seem in the same caliber to a team like the USDA that seem far from invincible against ElSva..... If TNT players are not professional enough to put aside petty and thoughts favoritism them lets face the music we eh going no place higher than where we are in the standing.
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I said these guys were sending ah message in that game. Daniel did not even attempt to to do anything. The 1 time he went at a defender he look like he learning to dribble. At the start of the game Carlos just kicking the ball, Dennis Lawrence not saying anything. No communication whatsoever on the field. The players were like 11 zombies on the pitch.
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Ah hear yu...but is this the professional way of reacting to a situation yuh eh like? Ah mean if ah solider eh like tuh be on the front line what go happen? he go do things to get killed? if them players eh like what the coach doing sabotaging ah high stakes game doh seem like the answer fuh me.
Is true what you say. They coulda fight that out after putting up a better fight on the field. A.B. I talk to one of the more noteable players on the team and he say is fren ting going on on the team. So some men watching how they brethren getting leave out for a more senior player brethen. So is we vs dem vs alyuh. Let's se how much things will change now. I waiting for 6/6 to see who get call up and who ask to be excused for that game.
Elan,
I don't think they were actually trying to send a message, but it could have been sub-consciously that they did not give their best. they were upset with Maturana before the game and even more so after the game, im not calling any names. If you watched the game on tv, by Birchall and Carlos' workrate you could clearly see that they were not holding back in that game. I coulda swear i see Lawrence crying after the game too.
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SELL OUT!!!!!. They were beaten fairly and squarely!!!!
Sell out is an inappropriate word. I will take it back.
What I meant to suggest is if players may have given less than their best and if so, could it be possible that they gave that kind of "effort" in the hopes that the coach would be dismissed.
There is no question that we were beaten fairly & squarely. That we were soundly beaten by a better side. But yuh could get beat and still fight, be competitive. For the most part, that was not apparent.
If we were to play devil's advocate for a brief second.
From the outset, if there is any game that we could "afford" to lose, it would've been the US away game.
While we were confident going into the game, we were without several key players - so any points that we took from this game wouldve been gravy.
It would be interesting to see that before the game, if we had told men that we would only lose 1-0 and Honduras would crush Mexico - supporters might have taken that as a means of cutting our losses before it got out of hand and fouled up our goal difference.
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All this discussion would be null and void had we beat El Salvador...4-6 points at this stage and we would be sitting pretty.
If is any game the side let we down is El Salvador.
We were never getting no points vs the US away or Mexico away...we start off looking at 24/30.
Now we take 2 from 9....we need 12 points to be safe to qualify 3rd = three wins and a draw.
We have 4 games at home and 3 more away.
It very possible to qualify once we get our act together...the sad part is we play our 2 direct rivals and pop down.
After the next friendly match we go see how this side shaping up.
Palos...the players ent sell out no game...they simply could not do any better. Barring Kenwyne...everybody has been exposed and that is the level they capable of.
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BY ANY MEANS NESSASRY ( OH K ..AH CYAH SPELL...AND PACHO CYAH COACH..)
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Palos...the players ent sell out no game...they simply could not do any better. Barring Kenwyne...everybody has been exposed and that is the level they capable of.
I've seen players get "exposed" and still COMPETE. There's no shame in losing.
There IS shame in lack of effort.
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I said these guys were sending ah message in that game. Daniel did not even attempt to to do anything. The 1 time he went at a defender he look like he learning to dribble. At the start of the game Carlos just kicking the ball, Dennis Lawrence not saying anything. No communication whatsoever on the field. The players were like 11 zombies on the pitch.
But that right there is the corbeaux brand in action....I think they were just following Maturana's coaching instructions and tactics to a T! Good riddance Pacho!!
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
As was the case in the group stage, Yorke did not play the US back
in September, and April 1.
When he is on the field, T&T is a different team, agree?
In my eyes, he is the glue that binds the red/white/black.
Any 'professional' who represents his/her country, and does not
give 100%, well, that is bordering on treason, agree?
We played rubbish, and as a result we were handed a good hiding.
No conspiracy here (amongst the T&T players, local or foreign),
we were well and truly beaten.
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No I was there and the mood after the game was pretty grim... most players didn't even attend the event in their honor and it was just a handfull who came to the after "party". I believe it was an lack of UNDERSTANDING of their roles and functions that we saw being played out... Maturana's inability to communicate exactly what he wanted them to do. I'll illustrate with this example.. when Jason Scotland came onto the field, he immediately ran over to Stern and started talking and jesticulating, something you typically see when a sub comes on, well the response was a shrug of the shoulders...indicating their was an absence of understading of some sort... s I don't believe there was a sell out, rather a lack of understanding... a reversal of the very foundation of Gally's '89 Strike Squad and te 2005/6 Soca Warriors where understanding of specific roles was a key aspect of those teams' successes.
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IMO there was a clear lack of communication between that coach and our team. He was not communicating to the players and his lack of a clear 'plan' on the field. I'm just glad he's gone.
now let us support the replacement - latapy needs our support and positive vibes...
GO WARRIORS!!
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Maturana never took tnt seriously...very unprofessional
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Palos...the players ent sell out no game...they simply could not do any better. Barring Kenwyne...everybody has been exposed and that is the level they capable of.
I've seen players get "exposed" and still COMPETE. There's no shame in losing.
There IS shame in lack of effort.
I think that though, depends on the level of exposure.
For instance, you could get yuh top ripped off, so yuh topless.
Yuh could get yuh bottom ripped off and now, well yuh bottomless.
And then, as happened to some on the field, yuh could get completely undressed (like Donovan did to Hislop), in which case, yuh completely ass-exposed naked.
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This is a very interesting topic.
I pray that what palos said at the start is not true.
I still cannot understand what all the doom and gloom is about. As touches rightfully put it, would we have fired him if Stern John had scored that penalty and we had won that match?
We have not lost to any of our direct rivals as yet, and these are the head to head matches that we must win or not lose.
As i said before, Latas always gets credit when we win (or play well) and Matas gets the blame when we lose (or play badly).......so what now?
All the head hunters have gotten their bounty.........so what now?
The prodigal son will now be at the helm...........so what now?
Will he command the respect of all the players? Or will he be "one of the boys" to Stern and Dwight.
Will he call back Cyd Gray? Marvin Andrews? etc
More importantly............will he play? Cause we damn as hell need Latas on de field.
I understand that there was a lack of communication of the players and the coach, but in this day and age, the language barrier should never be a problem. Look at all the club teams around the world and see if everyone speaks the same language. I really dont think that the players supported him from the get go!!!
ah love it!!
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Nuff, no disrespect but the problem I have with posts (not forumites) is that when something goes wrong, we automatically blame JW, but when things go better than expected, we don't give Jack his jacket - that is why he will forever torment football in TT. It's not your reply specifically, but the overall sentiment on the Forum.
you said: ... Lo and behold Jack fires Bertille and hires the shitsnake Porterumfield and we collapse in the 2001 hex. In 2006 Beenie took us to the world cup and we had a nice foundation of success to build on and finally have some continuity with Wim as coach ...
You forget to mention that JACK was the one who appoint Beenie in 2006. Prior to JW talking Beenie into the job, he probably had no clue where to point out T&T on a map.
then, ... Lo and behold Jack strikes again. He blacklists the world cup players and fires Wim for speaking out about not have the world cup players available. He then hires Maturana but does not allow him to choose his own staff and now we end up in a familiar position, bringing in a new coach during world cup qualifying and hoping once again for a miracle ...
Ever wonder why Wim stay in the first place? ... and who was paying Wim salary? - It wasn't the TTFF and it wasn't the Ministry of Sport. So, just like how Maturana resigned, Wim get suspended ;)
From the outset, Maturana had credentials to be a good coach. He should've also had the understanding of the Central American teams - so I don't think his appointment could have been a shock.
Now we have Latapy as a the coach - but who was it that coax Latapy back to T&T to fulfill Latapy's dream of coaching the Mens NT. He's wanted to do it since '06, but was convinced otherwise. He had a good thing going at Falkirk and gave it up to come back home, but you have to look at who facilitated that and give the man credit where credit is due.
JW has arguably done more than his share of wrong, but you have to build up a man before you can break him down.
ACB I have no problems giving Jack his due. Yes he did hire in 2005 and Beenie did take us to the world cup but that is getting it right once out of how many failed attempts. And unlike most of the other puppets Jack hired as coaches Beenie did not allow JW to meddle in the running of the team.
As for Jack paying for the coaches salaries, no one wants to give any money to the TTFF because they know that Jack is shady and there is no transparency whatsoever.
So yes Jack Warner has done some good but overall his duration in charge of our football has been one of more failures than successes.
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if some sell out take place it wasnt a team effort. so ah really doubt it. some players really gave heart and soul
Only about 4 players did look to be giving full effort.
C. Edwards
C. Ince
K. Thomas
C. Birchall
All the rest gave either average or horrible performances. Stern and he equestrian trot was far too often out of plays that could have had positive potential. Jones ball control was just attrocious. Daniel seemed uninterested in using the skills he has to advance the ball. Aklie lost Altidore far too easily, too often. RB position was completely overmatched. Now we go see though, because if these set of players remain on the team and magically start playing much better then I willing to entertain the idea that they sold the game.
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It seems like everything our team is turning the corner Jack Warner sabotages our success and drags our football backward. From 96 to 2000 Bertille St. Clair had steadily improved our team.
Bertille St Clair's team was one of the worst I've ever seen...I will never forget the embarrasment of collecting 4 goals in one half against Scotland....and the complete absence of structure to our play. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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I don't think the players throw the game away!
Look at it this way, a coach's skill is to utilize his players to the best of their god given ability and talent...for better or for worse! (Look what Beenie did with our side for 2006)!
It is the players responsibility to respond to said instructions, after the game against Panama at MR stadium, it was clearly evident to me that something was wrong with the team!
No sense or urgency,passion,fight and no willingness to increase the intensity level of play! That continued until the match against Honduras where the team played the dam game like ah fete match!
Maturana have to take blame.....so does de players!
My 2cents!
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not surprised, now can the players please play some real football and stop playing with the nations future >:(
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So Mutiny on d Bounty is d book of the month on Oprah?
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One could read anything into it, but the concern of the players not giving their all was certainly recognised by Yorke and Latas.
According to reports in the media, Yorke reported 'blew out' the players during the half time and especially after the game. Maturana had very little to say...maybe because of the language barrier ?
Warner also said that Yorke and Latas were very vocal after the game (in the change room) and questioned the patriotism and 'heart' of some of the players and let them know that it was the last straw and those who wasn't prepared to give 100% could ride out now.
Is probably no wonder they came out in a somber mood afterwards. When yuh get the blow out from one of yuh own, it does hurt much more.
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none sold out. first of all...since Mats reach, the team has often looked awful and we often overlooked it because we got the right result. so it's hypocritical to act like all of a sudden the players might have thrown a game. they finally buck up against a really competitive side and get rinse...actually...not true, semifinal round against the US was worst imo. and the team get rinse before that against worse teams
if anything, the players have proven they'd never purposefully sell out T&T. Too many playersget a lot of grief from their clubs for playing for T&T. We all know that KJ, Carlos, Yorke, Birchie, Scotland and many others are constantly pressured by their clubs to abandon the national team...and even with all the grief of the blacklist etc..they all want to come and rep during WC qualifiers. And it's not just foreign based..we know some local players are pressured by their clubs to turn their bakc on the national team. IN any case..out local players are probably aware they are one shte performance away from never wearing the national uniform again..so it most likely they fighting the matches the most..even if their actual performance was wanting.
The players who don't want to rep, rather make up an injury and hide behind their club (and clubs are more than willing to provide the smoke screen), or claim to be needed more in a more important club game than be a sub for T&T (Scotland in the FA Cup for Swansea for example). You see..imo, there are two types of players...those who are 100% team players, and those who are out for themselves. Neither type of player has any incentive to purposefully sell out a WCQ. No need to explain the former...for the latter, you just have to think of the potential personal benefits of qualifying for a WC. Noone's flying all the way across the Atlantic to purposefully sell-out a game, look like a shittong and risk being dropped for his troubles.
If anything, IF there was a falling out with Maturana, then he probably didn't get the most out of players. But not becasue they personally sabotaged the team..but because on some mental level, they didn't start the game with the righ level of belief in the team and their prospects and from there on it is easier to be frustrated, lose confidence etc...Kinda like any other job. If the office atmosphere is poor, you performance will not be as great as in an ideal work environment. You doh have to be trying to get the boss fired for that to happen
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One could read anything into it, but the concern of the players not giving their all was certainly recognised by Yorke and Latas.
According to reports in the media, Yorke reported 'blew out' the players during the half time and especially after the game. Maturana had very little to say...maybe because of the language barrier ?
Warner also said that Yorke and Latas were very vocal after the game (in the change room) and questioned the patriotism and 'heart' of some of the players and let them know that it was the last straw and those who wasn't prepared to give 100% could ride out now.
Is probably no wonder they came out in a somber mood afterwards. When yuh get the blow out from one of yuh own, it does hurt much more.
U mean somber before or after d party? ;D
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
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Yuh in form palos :rotfl:
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
Ah hope this cud help yuh becuz it right up both ah we alley ...Yuh ever hear ah band blow way de competition semi final night and come final night dey just eh play up to standard ? Arranger count to fast,rythym section was drunk , section leaders pick de right squad only fuh de arranger tuh say dis one and dah one must play ,skaters playing in front ah de judges instead ah de north stand .Choose any one ah dem reasons buh dat doh mean dey 'sell out' or 'sabotage ' ...Now consider Guatemala de semi final and Nashville de final ....Shit happens and it doh help de situation when we have ah GOAT at the helm calling de shots .
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
Ah hope this cud help yuh becuz it right up both ah we alley ...Yuh ever hear ah band blow way de competition semi final night and come final night dey just eh play up to standard ? Arranger count to fast,rythym section was drunk , section leaders pick de right squad only fuh de arranger tuh say dis one and dah one must play ,skaters playing in front ah de judges instead ah de north stand .Choose any one ah dem reasons buh dat doh mean dey 'sell out' or 'sabotage ' ...Now consider Guatemala de semi final and Nashville de final ....Shit happens and it doh help de situation when we have ah GOAT at the helm calling de shots .
So basically, yuh jes sayin it was a off night and Stern was drunk on de field. Arrite den ;D ;D ;D
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
Ah hope this cud help yuh becuz it right up both ah we alley ...Yuh ever hear ah band blow way de competition semi final night and come final night dey just eh play up to standard ? Arranger count to fast,rythym section was drunk , section leaders pick de right squad only fuh de arranger tuh say dis one and dah one must play ,skaters playing in front ah de judges instead ah de north stand .Choose any one ah dem reasons buh dat doh mean dey 'sell out' or 'sabotage ' ...Now consider Guatemala de semi final and Nashville de final ....Shit happens and it doh help de situation when we have ah GOAT at the helm calling de shots .
So basically, yuh jes sayin it was a off night and Stern was drunk on de field. Arrite den ;D ;D ;D
Yuh not easy nah ;D :rotfl: :rotfl: ...Eh eh ah blame de section leaders fuh picking de wrong squad and den putting dem on de grandstand side tuh play ...yuh know how fork up dem section leaders cud be ::) ;D
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
Ah hope this cud help yuh becuz it right up both ah we alley ...Yuh ever hear ah band blow way de competition semi final night and come final night dey just eh play up to standard ? Arranger count to fast,rythym section was drunk , section leaders pick de right squad only fuh de arranger tuh say dis one and dah one must play ,skaters playing in front ah de judges instead ah de north stand .Choose any one ah dem reasons buh dat doh mean dey 'sell out' or 'sabotage ' ...Now consider Guatemala de semi final and Nashville de final ....Shit happens and it doh help de situation when we have ah GOAT at the helm calling de shots .
So basically, yuh jes sayin it was a off night and Stern was drunk on de field. Arrite den ;D ;D ;D
Yuh not easy nah ;D :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Palos, I feel as it is easter that you get away :devil:
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
Ah hope this cud help yuh becuz it right up both ah we alley ...Yuh ever hear ah band blow way de competition semi final night and come final night dey just eh play up to standard ? Arranger count to fast,rythym section was drunk , section leaders pick de right squad only fuh de arranger tuh say dis one and dah one must play ,skaters playing in front ah de judges instead ah de north stand .Choose any one ah dem reasons buh dat doh mean dey 'sell out' or 'sabotage ' ...Now consider Guatemala de semi final and Nashville de final ....Shit happens and it doh help de situation when we have ah GOAT at the helm calling de shots .
So basically, yuh jes sayin it was a off night and Stern was drunk on de field. Arrite den ;D ;D ;D
Yuh not easy nah ;D :rotfl: :rotfl: ...Eh eh ah blame de section leaders fuh picking de wrong squad and den putting dem on de grandstand side tuh play ...yuh know how fork up dem section leaders cud be ::) ;D
Fuh real. Doh tork bout when man dress up and ting in final night outfit only to get DROP on de drag! ;D
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I haven't seen most of the games under Mats, so I have an honest question. Was the game against the US in Nashville the first time the team looked so poor? Based on comments I've read about previous games, it seems like the team has played like this quite often, but we were getting results. I mean Palos compared the Nashville game to the game in Guatemala. But I saw the game in against the US in Chicago before that Guatemala game, and that was far worse than this imo. I know the team was missing some big players then, but missing quality aside..there was an abject lack of any intensity, hustle and fight fro 90 minutes. We saw more fight in Nashville. I doh think the game in Chicago was an anomoly...sounds like this team has displayed that kinda performance long time now. Difference was the quality of the opposition.
Also, anyone think fatigue had anything to do with it? After all, it was 2 games in 4 days. T&T is not a side that plays anything resembling possession football. We are a team that is constantly chasing the ball and then giving it up too easily. That's ok against mediocre opponents over 90 minutes, but that level of inefficiency will come to haunt yuh against a hard running, physical team like the US, who far better at keeping possession as well...4 days after doing way more running than you would have if you'd played a half decent game on the ball. And the effects of travel on the foreign based had to be kicking in.
lastly..if some players did lose faith in Mats and some of their teammates, this could def. lead to players not giving their maximum as team chemsitry deteriorates. But I'd imagine this is more a result of increased frustration, lack of confidence, lowered ability to battle fatigue...in short..the palyers will give up on each other and themselves more easily, but not necessarily b/c they consciously want to do so. this is especially true when they are physically tired and the legs get heavy and mental lapses start multiplying. just a guess
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I haven't seen most of the games under Mats, so I have an honest question. Was the game against the US in Nashville the first time the team looked so poor? Based on comments I've read about previous games, it seems like the team has played like this quite often, but we were getting results. I mean Palos compared the Nashville game to the game in Guatemala. But I saw the game in against the US in Chicago before that Guatemala game, and that was far worse than this imo. I know the team was missing some big players then, but missing quality aside..there was an abject lack of any intensity, hustle and fight fro 90 minutes. We saw more fight in Nashville. I doh think the game in Chicago was an anomoly...sounds like this team has displayed that kinda performance long time now. Difference was the quality of the opposition.
Also, anyone think fatigue had anything to do with it? After all, it was 2 games in 4 days. T&T is not a side that plays anything resembling possession football. We are a team that is constantly chasing the ball and then giving it up too easily. That's ok against mediocre opponents over 90 minutes, but that level of inefficiency will come to haunt yuh against a hard running, physical team like the US, who far better at keeping possession as well...4 days after doing way more running than you would have if you'd played a half decent game on the ball. And the effects of travel on the foreign based had to be kicking in.
lastly..if some players did lose faith in Mats and some of their teammates, this could def. lead to players not giving their maximum as team chemsitry deteriorates. But I'd imagine this is more a result of increased frustration, lack of confidence, lowered ability to battle fatigue...in short..the palyers will give up on each other and themselves more easily, but not necessarily b/c they consciously want to do so. this is especially true when they are physically tired and the legs get heavy and mental lapses start multiplying. just a guess
Fair enough bro. :beermug:
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Chicago and Nashville had one constant no real leadership on d field, full stop, dennis didn't take charge or couldn't, ah mean, how come dwight an latas have to be around for ting to happen, dey have to find a leader, somebody to rally d team, an' in both games it din have none ah dat....... it was as plain as day
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Chicago and Nashville had one constant no real leadership on d field, full stop, dennis didn't take charge or couldn't, ah mean, how come dwight an latas have to be around for ting to happen, dey have to find a leader, somebody to rally d team, an' in both games it din have none ah dat....... it was as plain as day
agreed, but who is the man for the job?
Ince is a boss, but he does just yell...let him just deal with the back 4...
Carlos should be the man up front and the whole field. A player in the midfield with credentials will make the best leader, that's why dwight and latas good. Carlos should take on this role...latas pass the torch..yuh cyah do it all
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
No facking way....
And in the event that men like Birchie, Stern, Lawrence were forced to actually do something like what you are asking then I would say it was justified.
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Maturana and staff have reportedly resigned because they felt they did not have the full support of the players.
Do you think it's POSSIBLE that the players "sell out" did not give of their best in de game against de USA and if so, a possible explanation might be in hopes of getting rid of de coach?
Could this be the explanation for such a putrid performance by our allegedly "best" and professional players?
If so, does the ends justify the means?
Thanks.
First of all he eh 'resigned' ...second if yuh really believe de players 'sell out' dey den ah have nice bench by de hollows rong de savanah going cheap cheap ...yuh interested .Come man Palos yuh smarter than this thread .....Oh and before ah go MATURANA IS AH FORKING GOAT ...doh vex is de troot .
Aaaaaaaaahhhh. Yuh reach. Ah was wonderin how long it would take yuh...8)
So check meh...same goat was "in charge" when we did play Guatemala in Guatemala. Weaker team yes...but situation, circumstances, venue, & atmosphere was much more hostile. Team not jes show FIGHT, but HEART and DETERMINATION. Dey show dey CLASS.
Contrast dat to Nashville. Same goat. Same players fuh de most part. Except fuh a couple, NO FIGHT. NO HEART. NO DETERMINATION in a venue & atmostphere dat was much less hostile but dis time, yuh in de Hex.
So how come same players, same goat but radically different performances?
Like yuh sharpen yuh 3 canal and waiting fuh meh ... ;D
I have one question fuh yuh ...Did you ever thought the players were 'selling out' or 'sabortaging' before maturana de goat was fired resigned ?
Never you meh breddrin...yuh know me...I not in de gilpin biznezz... ;D ;D
I doh give a rats ass bout Maurana yuh know...contrary to popular opinion.
What concern me is tryin to find a plausible reason fuh dat "performance" in Nashville.
Nutting wrong wit losin. Teams and sportsmen does lose all de time. But capitualtion? Daz a whole nex story breds.
These are we best players (de foreign base ah torkin bout). Dem is men who cyah say dem eh know to track back a opposin player. Dem cyah say dem eh know how to play off de ball. Dis is de same men who show we dey heart and soul against guatemala in guatemala.
So what can account fuh dat display in nashville? Goat or no goat....de goat wasn't on de field playin. De goat wasn't de one lookin like deer in headlights. De goat wasn't de one runnin round like he mad and whenever he get de ball pass it right back to de opposition. De goat wasn't de one who mistrap 90% of de game.
I jes lookin fuh a explanation breds. It cyah ALL be de goat.
Ah hope this cud help yuh becuz it right up both ah we alley ...Yuh ever hear ah band blow way de competition semi final night and come final night dey just eh play up to standard ? Arranger count to fast,rythym section was drunk , section leaders pick de right squad only fuh de arranger tuh say dis one and dah one must play ,skaters playing in front ah de judges instead ah de north stand .Choose any one ah dem reasons buh dat doh mean dey 'sell out' or 'sabotage ' ...Now consider Guatemala de semi final and Nashville de final ....Shit happens and it doh help de situation when we have ah GOAT at the helm calling de shots .
So basically, yuh jes sayin it was a off night and Stern was drunk on de field. Arrite den ;D ;D ;D
Yuh not easy nah ;D :rotfl: :rotfl: ...Eh eh ah blame de section leaders fuh picking de wrong squad and den putting dem on de grandstand side tuh play ...yuh know how fork up dem section leaders cud be ::) ;D
Fuh real. Doh tork bout when man dress up and ting in final night outfit only to get DROP on de drag! ;D
look ting black holman famous now :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Chicago and Nashville had one constant no real leadership on d field, full stop, dennis didn't take charge or couldn't, ah mean, how come dwight an latas have to be around for ting to happen, dey have to find a leader, somebody to rally d team, an' in both games it din have none ah dat....... it was as plain as day
agreed, but who is the man for the job?
Ince is a boss, but he does just yell...let him just deal with the back 4...
Carlos should be the man up front and the whole field. A player in the midfield with credentials will make the best leader, that's why dwight and latas good. Carlos should take on this role...latas pass the torch..yuh cyah do it all
Stern is a senior player, Ince, Lawrence are Senior players, who should lead, Akile Edwards and Leon? Hold the Senior men accountable in all facets of the game.
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this is only without Yorke or Latapy in the middle...for the role of captain
IMHO I do not think Carlos is leadership material- I have seen him lose his cool with his fellow players too quickly. He is not one to rally the younger players- he chooses to chastise them instead.
same for Ince. Don't care how good you are as an individual player- on the field you cannot be seen to be talking down to your fellow players.
I was actually impressed by Stern in the USA game because I saw him move back and forth trying to play that important link position, and trying to marshall the other guys. and you all know it's not easy for Stern to impress me!! ;D
who else - there was some early sign that Theobald would be able to perform the captain role- but recently that's blown away- maybe since the handing over armband scenario - maturana maybe gave him a thorough dressing down or something...anyhow I think since that time he hasn't been at his best.
we'll see what happens with Latapy at the helm -
for those of little faith- I believe Latapy will be able to handle the side to get to SA...
and if we dont't make it- I believe that we will put up a good fight!!! ;D
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this is only without Yorke or Latapy in the middle...for the role of captain
IMHO I do not think Carlos is leadership material- I have seen him lose his cool with his fellow players too quickly. He is not one to rally the younger players- he chooses to chastise them instead.
same for Ince. Don't care how good you are as an individual player- on the field you cannot be seen to be talking down to your fellow players.
I was actually impressed by Stern in the USA game because I saw him move back and forth trying to play that important link position, and trying to marshall the other guys. and you all know it's not easy for Stern to impress me!! ;D
who else - there was some early sign that Theobald would be able to perform the captain role- but recently that's blown away- maybe since the handing over armband scenario - maturana maybe gave him a thorough dressing down or something...anyhow I think since that time he hasn't been at his best.
we'll see what happens with Latapy at the helm -
for those of little faith- I believe Latapy will be able to handle the side to get to SA...
and if we dont't make it- I believe that we will put up a good fight!!! ;D
I dont think carlos is the person either but I have seen SJ throw up his hands or snare or chastise jus as often as Carlos, an' on top ah dat his attitude to d younger/local player seems dat much more disdainful dan carlos, dennis and the rest .............maybe I jus readin d body language wrong, who knows ???
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Just listening to Guus Hiddink today on TV. My mind reflected on this thread.
He was asked about his role with Chelsea and the players. He said he was not the instrument of the Chelsea revival, but the players energy and commitment. He then went on to say that if professionals will not play with commitment, then they do not belong at a big club.
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okay, but then what is the reason for the previous 'lack of energy and commitment' before he came on board?? obviously players are workers for the 'firm' and they will perform best for the coach that respects them and allows them to perform at their best- seems to me like good industrial relations practice
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