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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Observer on September 09, 2009, 08:51:57 AM
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Watching the game again last night a few things struck me.
Just having good players on the field is not enough, when the opposition is of equal quality. Sometimes it will work out more than likely not.
Brazil are a solid unit, work as a team and are full of discipline. Though both central defenders can be erratic.
Argentina are very much an individualistic squad with neat interplay, but still very dependent on Messi. They also lack any width and are predictable because of it.
Why is Heinze and Veron on the park? Surely Gago is a better choice than the 95 year old Veron! Where is Higuain? Where is Zarate?
Fabiano is an amazing striker 25 goals in 33 International games. Say no more.
Kaka though man marked and kicked up by hatchet man Macherano, still conducted
his team with and without the ball.
Robinho??? Did he play? Dunga 1-800 Diego
Santos is a boss left back in the traditional Brazilian way.
Micon was shackled by Argentina ( a good tactic) until Diego made a poor sub.
Gilberto Silva and Melo are two masters of their position. Nutten fancy but efficient.
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Dunga build his foundation from the back,
He is a defensive person.
Just last year Brazil was struggling and was going to get replaced.
But if you noticed even though they was not winning big they was not giving up goals.
He was building the foundation.
Now they have the defensive foundation.
Two good center backs
Two defensive centermids (Melo and Gilberto)
Plus hard working ramirez
That is the core of the team, they win all the balls then just distribute to Kaka, Robiniho etc who will create chances
and Fabiano to finish.
Brazil done win the world cup
Only question is if they peak too soon
Now that they already qualify men will take some rest and be ready.
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Watching the game again last night a few things struck me.
Just having good players on the field is not enough, when the opposition is of equal quality. Sometimes it will work out more than likely not.
Brazil are a solid unit, work as a team and are full of discipline. Though both central defenders can be erratic.
Argentina are very much an individualistic squad with neat interplay, but still very dependent on Messi. They also lack any width and are predictable because of it.
Why is Heinze and Veron on the park? Surely Gago is a better choice than the 95 year old Veron! Where is Higuain? Where is Zarate?
Fabiano is an amazing striker 25 goals in 33 International games. Say no more.
Kaka though man marked and kicked up by hatchet man Macherano, still conducted
his team with and without the ball.
Robinho??? Did he play? Dunga 1-800 Diego
Santos is a boss left back in the traditional Brazilian way.
Micon was shackled by Argentina ( a good tactic) until Diego made a poor sub.
Gilberto Silva and Melo are two masters of their position. Nutten fancy but efficient.
Wha yuh tink bout Datolo? Besides de goal dat is...which was of course...spectacular.
Also....does it make sense to play Messi, Tevez AND Arguero?
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Watching the game again last night a few things struck me.
Just having good players on the field is not enough, when the opposition is of equal quality. Sometimes it will work out more than likely not.
Brazil are a solid unit, work as a team and are full of discipline. Though both central defenders can be erratic.
Argentina are very much an individualistic squad with neat interplay, but still very dependent on Messi. They also lack any width and are predictable because of it.
Why is Heinze and Veron on the park? Surely Gago is a better choice than the 95 year old Veron! Where is Higuain? Where is Zarate?
Fabiano is an amazing striker 25 goals in 33 International games. Say no more.
Kaka though man marked and kicked up by hatchet man Macherano, still conducted
his team with and without the ball.
Robinho??? Did he play? Dunga 1-800 Diego
Santos is a boss left back in the traditional Brazilian way.
Micon was shackled by Argentina ( a good tactic) until Diego made a poor sub.
Gilberto Silva and Melo are two masters of their position. Nutten fancy but efficient.
Wha yuh tink bout Datolo? Besides de goal dat is...which was of course...spectacular.
Also....does it make sense to play Messi, Tevez AND Arguero?
My uneducated observation was that he was ok (yes the goal was amazing) With Maxi Rodrigues, Macherano and Gago it would have been a far better balanced MF. Aguero should be partnered with Zarate or Higuain, with Messi in the free role.
Walter Samuel would be a better fit with Otamendi, never liked Heinze as a full back and continue not to like him. The funny thing is he was an excellent Central Defender at PSG, maybe thats a thought !
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I did not see the game , but did see the goals. Two of Brazil's goal were off rebounss. defence/GK did not clear. Same as two of the goals Hond. scored on TT. Yes Dunga develops his team from the back to the center. Like someone observed, two strong central defenders and two very efficient defensive mid fielders who are very comfortable bringing the ball forward. Then he has the luxury of the many wing back who can attack and also many choices of offensive mids and forwards.
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Brazil could do with one more creative spark in the middle of the field...at the risk of upsetting their solid, disciplined approach I suppose...
On a good day with Robinho & Kaka on form, and with L.Fabiano sharp, they will beat teams badly with a ruthless counter attack and without flattering in possession...but on a bad day they will look very very stale and uninspired because the squad is not built around creativity and imagination but more around discipline, athleticism and speed on the counter.
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was just talking about the game this morning with ah argentine pardner and he real sour...
His words:
"If thats what Brazil call a win.. Playing like Italy? well then so be it.."
now that is what yuh call sour grapes, lol..
Observer, i was having this discussion in the other thread, you doh find the Argie keeper coulda stay on his line for the last goal?
Also I might be nitpicking but for the 2nd goal i find he coulda hold that too..
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was just talking about the game this morning with ah argentine pardner and he real sour...
His words:
"If thats what Brazil call a win.. Playing like Italy? well then so be it.."
now that is what yuh call sour grapes, lol..
Observer, i was having this discussion in the other thread, you doh find the Argie keeper coulda stay on his line for the last goal?
Also I might be nitpicking but for the 2nd goal i find he coulda hold that too..
I believe he felt he could of cut off the angle and when he realise the perfection of the pass and Fabiano already on it, it as too late. He could of stayed bigger though, and force Fabiano to go around him. He went down far too early, but what a finish. :notworthy:
Second goal difficult to say but dam the defense eh help.
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was just talking about the game this morning with ah argentine pardner and he real sour...
His words:
"If thats what Brazil call a win.. Playing like Italy? well then so be it.."
now that is what yuh call sour grapes, lol..
Observer, i was having this discussion in the other thread, you doh find the Argie keeper coulda stay on his line for the last goal?
Also I might be nitpicking but for the 2nd goal i find he coulda hold that too..
I believe he felt he could of cut off the angle and when he realise the perfection of the pass and Fabiano already on it, it as too late. He could of stayed bigger though, and force Fabiano to go around him. He went down far too early, but what a finish. :notworthy:
Second goal difficult to say but dam the defense eh help.
Fabiano showed a turn of speed I didn't know he had to score the 3rd....Either that or the defender was very slow...Great pass nevertheless.
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Brazil look real stale against Arg and still rest 3 on dem. Go figure.
Like I said after the confed cup. The end of the beautiful game.
Brazil have Diego who can't even make the side and Patowho can't get off the bench. But Robinho gettin sweat right thru.
Big steups
And d sad ting is dis side so stale dey just might win d world cup
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was just talking about the game this morning with ah argentine pardner and he real sour...
His words:
"If thats what Brazil call a win.. Playing like Italy? well then so be it.."
now that is what yuh call sour grapes, lol..
Observer, i was having this discussion in the other thread, you doh find the Argie keeper coulda stay on his line for the last goal?
Also I might be nitpicking but for the 2nd goal i find he coulda hold that too..
I believe he felt he could of cut off the angle and when he realise the perfection of the pass and Fabiano already on it, it as too late. He could of stayed bigger though, and force Fabiano to go around him. He went down far too early, but what a finish. :notworthy:
Second goal difficult to say but dam the defense eh help.
Fabiano showed a turn of speed I didn't know he had to score the 3rd....Either that or the defender was very slow...Great pass nevertheless.
Besides the BRILLIANT pass, that self was the key to the last goal. Fabiano's speed. The 'keeper did what he could and the only reason he would have gone down so quickly was because he, too thought he he had a chance at getting the ball but was beaten by Fabiano's speed.
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Brazil look real stale against Arg and still rest 3 on dem. Go figure.
Like I said after the confed cup. The end of the beautiful game.
Brazil have Diego who can't even make the side and Patowho can't get off the bench. But Robinho gettin sweat right thru.
Big steups
And d sad ting is dis side so stale dey just might win d world cup
Stale how exactly?
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
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Let Brazil start to lose and then we go really hear how stale they are?
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
They need R10 to get back in form... Brazil is a different side with him on the field. The 1st 45 of the last friendly against Italy in London (before they shut down and started cruising) was how yuh want Brazil to look...Without R10 they are a different side...no jinga
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Let Brazil start to lose and then we go really hear how stale they are?
Yuh ever see Brazil play jogo bonito when they attempting to qualify for a WC? They were in Argentina's yard trying to get points, not playing an exhibition game.
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
They need R10 to get back in form... Brazil is a different side with him on the field. The 1st 45 of the last friendly against Italy in London (before they shut down and started cruising) was how yuh want Brazil to look...Without R10 they are a different side...no jinga
Was just about to post the same thing :beermug:
I think that expecting to see Brazil play with style over substance in a WCQ match against Argentina in Argentina is pushing it.
Even so...a Brazilian side at d WC with Kaka, Ronaldinho and Robinho will rip up.
On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
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Let Brazil start to lose and then we go really hear how stale they are?
Yuh ever see Brazil play jogo bonito when they attempting to qualify for a WC? They were in Argentina's yard trying to get points, not playing an exhibition game.
Good point
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
They need R10 to get back in form... Brazil is a different side with him on the field. The 1st 45 of the last friendly against Italy in London (before they shut down and started cruising) was how yuh want Brazil to look...Without R10 they are a different side...no jinga
You need to give up on that Ronaldinho dream. He not coming back.
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It still have space on dat Brazil jersey for another star.
Doh matter they not looking pretty, they winning.
Pretty eh gettin dem dat next star atoll. Is hustle.
Everybody on dat current team does hustle.
So Ronaldinho eh making dat team atoll. He too 4kin lazy.
Can anyone think of another player to achieve such greatness and just fall off juss-so juss-so?
Look at R-9, for all the injuries, he came back each time. I am so disappointed in R'dinho.
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
They need R10 to get back in form... Brazil is a different side with him on the field. The 1st 45 of the last friendly against Italy in London (before they shut down and started cruising) was how yuh want Brazil to look...Without R10 they are a different side...no jinga
You need to give up on that Ronaldinho dream. He not coming back.
lol...doh say that nuh...
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smells like '94 ENT! check the suspects man for man....even using Rai=Ronaldinho ;D
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
Nah, Adriano is still ahead of Pato in d pecking order in Dunga's eyes, in spite of his Heskey-esque performances.
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Ryan,
Andriano is a striker, somebody has to bring the ball half-way for him. Flamengo attack mid and attack is weak at the moment. Andriano sometime does be up front by himself fighting up with 3 and 4 men.
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I like my stale Brazil because style dont win World Cup, style is only for friendlies or when you are up 4-0 with 15 minutes left in the game. For the past 2 - 3 years Argentina have plenty style and they have not won any major trophies.
I am still not impressed by Andre Santos but he has enough time to improve and he is way better than Kleber and he is better defensively than Marcelo but Marcelo is better offensively.
Gilberto age is a big concern, can he last the entire tournament. The rest of the starting eleven is good to go. I prefer Pato over Adriano but Dunga appears set on Adriano as of now. As for Ronaldinho, he has this season to get back in shape otherwise Dunga will leave him home without thinking twice. I hope he gets back in shape but he will have to accept it is now Kaka's team.
Fabiano is not an exciting player (i.e. R9, Robinho, Kaka, etc.) but he knows how to do the most important thing, put the blasted ball in the back of the net. If I was picking the team, Fabiano will be the 3rd name on the teamsheet after Kaka and Julio Cesar.
This Brazil team is definitely the best in the world right now when you are talking about getting the job done. My only concern as a fan is they don't ever win the Wolrd Cup when they are the favourites.
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Fabiano earn his spot.
Robinho could ride doh and let in Diego
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i agree marcos...especially if he continue to rip up for juve
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Brazil have real talent up frot, men like Nilmar and Rafael Sobis cant even get ah sweat.
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
They need R10 to get back in form... Brazil is a different side with him on the field. The 1st 45 of the last friendly against Italy in London (before they shut down and started cruising) was how yuh want Brazil to look...Without R10 they are a different side...no jinga
Was just about to post the same thing :beermug:
I think that expecting to see Brazil play with style over substance in a WCQ match against Argentina in Argentina is pushing it.
Even so...a Brazilian side at d WC with Kaka, Ronaldinho and Robinho will rip up.
On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Even thought fat Ronaldo still was Brazils top scorer in 2006 WC ;D
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
palos lke Nilmar disagree with your comment and out to prove it ;D
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
palos lke Nilmar disagree with your comment and out to prove it ;D
Brazil just have waaaaay too much talent for their own good! Diego Tardelli (another standout graduate of the '05 U-20 WC semi-finalists along with Rafinha and Renan that I like) came on and with immediate effect put his stamp on the game within 3 minutes......he was more effective than Adriano was for the 69 that he played......Adriano BEEN givin' Brazil fans a 6 fuh a 9 fuh de longest! Dunga need to give up on he and give Pato a real chance.
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
palos lke Nilmar disagree with your comment and out to prove it ;D
Brazil just have waaaaay too much talent for their own good! Diego Tardelli (another standout graduate of the '05 U-20 WC semi-finalists along with Rafinha and Renan that I like) came on and with immediate effect put his stamp on the game within 3 minutes......he was more effective than Adriano was for the 69 that he played......Adriano BEEN givin' Brazil fans a 6 fuh a 9 fuh de longest! Dunga need to give up on he and give Pato a real chance.
Diego Tardelli!!! Dam! Dat man get two very famous WC Winning names. He can't go wrong ;D
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
palos lke Nilmar disagree with your comment and out to prove it ;D
Brazil just have waaaaay too much talent for their own good! Diego Tardelli (another standout graduate of the '05 U-20 WC semi-finalists along with Rafinha and Renan that I like) came on and with immediate effect put his stamp on the game within 3 minutes......he was more effective than Adriano was for the 69 that he played......Adriano BEEN givin' Brazil fans a 6 fuh a 9 fuh de longest! Dunga need to give up on he and give Pato a real chance.
Well....yuh realize Brasil was down a man fuh a long while & Diego Tardelli came on after Chile lost Jara so it eh really fair to compare Adriano to he.
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Argentina have to play Peru at home and then Uruguay away.
Uruguay (6th) and Ecuador (4th) play each other next match day.
Ecuador last game is vs Paraguay.
This look like it will go down to the wire.
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
palos lke Nilmar disagree with your comment and out to prove it ;D
Brazil just have waaaaay too much talent for their own good! Diego Tardelli (another standout graduate of the '05 U-20 WC semi-finalists along with Rafinha and Renan that I like) came on and with immediate effect put his stamp on the game within 3 minutes......he was more effective than Adriano was for the 69 that he played......Adriano BEEN givin' Brazil fans a 6 fuh a 9 fuh de longest! Dunga need to give up on he and give Pato a real chance.
Well....yuh realize Brasil was down a man fuh a long while & Diego Tardelli came on after Chile lost Jara so it eh really fair to compare Adriano to he.
Arright, I had forgot about that, so lewwe look at Adriano's whole contribution to this Brazil squad. He was a ROCK for the Copa America Tournament when they beat Argentina in the Final. He was a BEAST when they beat Argentina @ Emirate Stadium (Maybe he need to play in more friendlies) but he has done little other for this team. Time for Dunga to finalize his lab report and give up on the experiment that Adriano has become.
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Argentina have to play Peru at home and then Uruguay away.
Uruguay (6th) and Ecuador (4th) play each other next match day.
Ecuador last game is vs Paraguay.
This look like it will go down to the wire.
Watch out for Venezuela.
Too bad their last game is away to Brazil.
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Maradona stares into World Cup abyss
Argentina coach Diego Maradona was accused of making fatal errors in selection and tactics on Thursday as the soccer-mad country contemplated the humiliating prospect of missing out on the World Cup.
Wednesday's 1-0 defeat to Paraguay sent the former double champions slipping out of the four automatic qualifying places for the 2010 finals in South Africa with just two games in the South American zone left to play.
It was the fourth defeat in six qualifiers since Maradona took the reins.
(continue) (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fblwc2010latamargmaradona&prov=afp&type=lgns)
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stale in that i don't find their style attractive
They need R10 to get back in form... Brazil is a different side with him on the field. The 1st 45 of the last friendly against Italy in London (before they shut down and started cruising) was how yuh want Brazil to look...Without R10 they are a different side...no jinga
You need to give up on that Ronaldinho dream. He not coming back.
I have
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was just talking about the game this morning with ah argentine pardner and he real sour...
His words:
"If thats what Brazil call a win.. Playing like Italy? well then so be it.."
now that is what yuh call sour grapes, lol..
Observer, i was having this discussion in the other thread, you doh find the Argie keeper coulda stay on his line for the last goal?
Also I might be nitpicking but for the 2nd goal i find he coulda hold that too..
I say no to both situations...The keeper did the right thing by coming off his line to try to make for a more difficult shot on goal. In the second scenario, the shots were too hard to handle properly by the keeper.
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On a side note...Fabiano is lookin decent, the fat-man-upfront era is over for Brazil. Adriano is currently playin crap for Flamengo (and as usual is pretty average for Brazil) so I doubt he could force his way back in front of Fabiano.
Pato have next. Fabiano....den Pato....den whoever.
palos lke Nilmar disagree with your comment and out to prove it ;D
Brazil just have waaaaay too much talent for their own good! Diego Tardelli (another standout graduate of the '05 U-20 WC semi-finalists along with Rafinha and Renan that I like) came on and with immediate effect put his stamp on the game within 3 minutes......he was more effective than Adriano was for the 69 that he played......Adriano BEEN givin' Brazil fans a 6 fuh a 9 fuh de longest! Dunga need to give up on he and give Pato a real chance.
Diego Tardelli!!! Dam! Dat man get two very famous WC Winning names. He can't go wrong ;D
I cyah believe I now see dis! steupssss! De man have a Franco-Argentinian name. Two countries ah cyah stand! lol! Kill dem Argentinians dead, dey Italian anyway! :devil:
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Yet another loss leaves Argentines mad at Maradona
Argentines are furious. They’re blaming their soccer team’s most recent World Cup qualifying loss squarely on coach Diego Maradona. Now the two-time world champions are in danger of missing their first World Cup since 1970.
"This Maradona has shown dramatically that he wasn’t born to coach, that his glorious image was useful at first, but no more," the Diario Popular newspaper wrote in Thursday’s editions.
The sports daily Ole wrote: "We’re going nowhere" over a picture of Maradona.
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That is what happens when people are blinded by ego. The fact that you could play don't mean you could coach. Coaching is about game strategy, player management, and psychology. With the talent Argentina has, it is obvious that Maradona lacks those attributes.
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Let's see how this plays out ... it could have a lil effect on The House That Julio (Grondona) Built ... a structure not unlike The House That Jack Built.
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Imagine, the federation called a meeting with Maradona and Bilardo after the Paraguay game ... and Maradona fly de country to go to some undisclosed spa in Italy ... didn't gih dem no notice nutten ... like he avoiding ah pink slip. Meeting buss.
His shadow so long he causing usually rational men to work outside de box.