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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Andre on January 05, 2010, 08:45:35 AM
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what would the trini version look like?
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=goal-tophowthehelldidtheygetsoma&prov=goal&type=lgns
It is widely accepted that Brazil is the best producer of footballing talent in the world, and indeed it is difficult to find a top flight club team anywhere that hasn’t possessed a Brazilian at some point in recent years.
Another unique phenomenon surrounding the South American nation is just how many players have been capped by the Selecao. With Brazil organising numerous friendlies each year, this has often led to obscure, local, and less than prestigious names receiving international call-ups.
10) Amaral - 31 caps
This centre midfielder was a grave digger before he began his footballing career, and some cynics would suggest that along with the earth and the worms Amaral found himself 31 Brazil caps. Despite brief spells at Parma, Fiorentina and Benfica, the schemer was never a headliner. He also never played in a World Cup, Copa America or Confederations Cup.
9) Edilson - 25 caps
A productive goalscorer in his homeland during the nineties and early noughties, the only success Ederson had abroad was in Japan and the United Arab Emirates. Given the presence of the likes of Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Bebeto, the pint-sized forward did well to earn a quarter-of-a-century of caps.
8) Kleberson - 31 caps
Raised eyebrows before he joined Manchester United in 2003 when he announced that he was set to marry his 15-year-old girlfriend when she turned 16. Going from young bride to Old Trafford proved too much for Kleberson as he was an unequivocal flop with the Red Devils. Now at Flamengo, the 30-year-old has still managed to rack up 31 appearances for Brazil, as well as a 2002 World Cup winners medal.
7) Savio - 44 caps
Savio was not lacking in ability, and indeed he was an under-rated member for Real Madrid between 1998 and 2003, winning three Champions League titles. But, for someone who never made a World Cup squad, and hasn’t featured at national level for 10 years, it is hard to work out just where the tricky winger’s 44 caps came from.
6) Ricardinho - 23 caps
A Brazilian who travelled to two World Cups you would expect to be a household name, but not Ricardinho who only really succeeded in Europe on the legendary Championship Manager 97/98 computer game. In real life, he failed at Bordeaux and Middlesbrough, spending most of his career in his homeland.
5) Doriva - 35 caps
Remember Doriva? Probably not. He was a centre midfielder with less identity than a home crowd at a Wigan Athletic match. Despite recently retiring it is difficult to describe what kind of player the former Sampdoria and Middlesbrough man was. He sat on the centre circle, and was neat and tidy in a Liverpool Lucas kind of way, but what exactly did he do? Well, he won 35 caps for Brazil - that is what he did!
4) Ze Maria - 43 caps
His name is repeated a billion times a day in Italy, but only because there are a lot of Auntie Marias in the peninsula. Spent the best part of a decade in Serie A with Parma, Perugia and Inter where he was a decent if inconsistent performer at right back. Just how he managed to make 43 appearances with the Brazil shirt, though, is a real mystery when you consider that not only did he never appear in a World Cup but that he had 142-cap record holder Cafu ahead of him in the queue. Obviously played a lot of ‘Pele’ friendlies against Guatemala and the Cook Islands.
3) Roque Junior - 48 caps
He may have a cool name, but there was nothing 'bad' about Roque Junior on the football pitch. Well, actually there was! The centre back was a catastrophe waiting to happen whenever he donned the Milan or Brazil shirt, committing numerous errors in the last line of defence. Helped prolong the myth that all Brazilian defenders were rubbish, winning 48 caps and a World Cup winners medal along the way.
2) Vampeta - 39 caps
In second place we have the midfielder whose name translates as ‘Vampire-devil’. One of Inter president Massimo Moratti’s many disastrous signings, Vampeta will be remembered as one of the biggest flops in Serie A history during his time at San Siro at the beginning of the millennium. Indeed he is more noted for not only being involved in the swap deal that took Flamengo’s Adriano to Inter, but also for being the first Brazilian footballer to pose totally naked for a LGBT magazine. Somehow he still won 39 caps for Brazil, and was a benchwarmer during the 2002 World Cup win.
1) Serginho Chulapa - 20 caps
Brazil 1982 are the greatest team never to have won the World Cup, containing a whole host of legendary players such as Zico, Falcao, Socrates, Eder and Junior, and playing some mesmerising football before they were eliminated 3-2 by Italy in a classic clash. For all these brilliant champions, Brazil ’82 also contained a striker described by Sir Bobby Charlton as a "Sunday League player". The 6ft-plus hitman was lanky, clumsy, and so un-Brazilian he could have been the lovechild of Emile Heskey and Peter Crouch. He won 20 caps, but also lost the Selecao the World Cup.
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Dey got number 1 correck
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Nice read.. a little bit harsh calling up Roque Junior name in this.
How much caps Wagner Love and Lucas have?
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The man say "Pele friendlies" such as Guatemala and the Cook Islands, oui! :rotfl:
Pele fans, where allyuh!?
Maradona is the greatest EVER.
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Nice read.. a little bit harsh calling up Roque Junior name in this.
I find Ze Maria was decent man. And Kleberson was one of the standout players the 2002 side.
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9) Edilson - 25 caps
A productive goalscorer in his homeland during the nineties and early noughties, the only success Ederson had abroad was in Japan and the United Arab Emirates. Given the presence of the likes of Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Bebeto, the pint-sized forward did well to earn a quarter-of-a-century of caps.
Edilson, Ederson?
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I get tie up when I did see Amaral yes. Because it had one did play in de 78 World Cup in Argentina who I did find was excellent. I liked him a lot. Very composed central defender with ridiculous positioning sense.
But dem say dis Amaral never play a World Cup so couldn't be he.
Serginho should take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all by heself.
Honourable mention to goalkeeper Waldir Peres. A serious shithong on dat 82 squad too.
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kleverson was decent man, i still remember the bullet he leggo in the finals. roque junior was meh boy, that man had a real spranger finish
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Serginho should take 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all by heself.
Cosignnnnnnn
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For a country where football run 1, 2, 3 they must produce some duds. But I do have issuses with a few of his picks. The Amaral he is talking about can't be the one who played in Argentina.It have to be another Amaral. He was one of the best players on that team. He saved Brazil embarassment vs Spain when he made a timely goal line cleareance when Leao was beaten badly. Plus he was one of the coolest defenders I ever seen play in a WC.
While Roque and Klieberson were not super-stars, they played their role perfectly on the coaches orders. They defended most of their games and attack when the opportunity permitted. They won the WC.
When it comes to Serginho, I have to admit he was a disappointment. But allyuh must remember that Brazil was going thru some serious guava season when it came to the striker postion. He was tearing up the league with Sao Paulo, so they had to pick him. One side note about Serginho. He had a lot of run in with opposing players and reporters. He would give it right back to them in their faces when he thought he was unfairly criticized. They have a hard time dealing with a TALL and assertive black man. He was not as diplomatic as Pele.
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For a country where football run 1, 2, 3 they must produce some duds. But I do have issuses with a few of his picks. The Amaral he is talking about can't be the one who played in Argentina.It have to be another Amaral. He was one of the best players on that team. He saved Brazil embarassment vs Spain when he made a timely goal line cleareance when Leao was beaten badly. Plus he was one of the coolest defenders I ever seen play in a WC.
While Roque and Klieberson were not super-stars, they played their role perfectly on the coaches orders. They defended most of their games and attack when the opportunity permitted. They won the WC.
When it comes to Serginho, I have to admit he was a disappointment. But allyuh must remember that Brazil was going thru some serious guava season when it came to the striker postion. He was tearing up the league with Sao Paulo, so they had to pick him. One side note about Serginho. He had a lot of run in with opposing players and reporters. He would give it right back to them in their faces when he thought he was unfairly criticized. They have a hard time dealing with a TALL and assertive black man. He was not as diplomatic as Pele.
Deeks, its not the same Amaral..
The one they talking about is more recent.. I remember him, a dark fellah, midfield hard man for Parma. They say he used to be a grave digger before he take up football professionally.
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I now remember a story about the gravedigger. But I can't remember seeing him play a game.
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
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When it comes to Serginho, I have to admit he was a disappointment. But allyuh must remember that Brazil was going thru some serious guava season when it came to the striker postion. He was tearing up the league with Sao Paulo, so they had to pick him. One side note about Serginho. He had a lot of run in with opposing players and reporters. He would give it right back to them in their faces when he thought he was unfairly criticized. They have a hard time dealing with a TALL and assertive black man. He was not as diplomatic as Pele.
Like you forgettin Careca was on dat same 82 squad and eh even get a sniff of a game or wha?
As for bein tall, assertive and black....all dat eh change de FACT dat Serginho was a RANKIN SHITSNAKE!
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
and how they do? we beat them? i have a vague recollection of the in trinidad.
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
and how they do? we beat them? i have a vague recollection of the in trinidad.
I didn't think they were in our group, can't even remember if they made it to the semi's, it was around '97....calling Tallman....do you have the stats on this?
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
and how they do? we beat them? i have a vague recollection of the in trinidad.
I didn't think they were in our group, can't even remember if they made it to the semi's, it was around '97....calling Tallman....do you have the stats on this?
It was de 1999 Copa Caribe. Brazil was in de group with Cuba, Haiti, and St. Kitts. Dey beat St. Kitts 5-0, but lost 0-1 to Cuba and 3-4 to Haiti, so dey didn't progress out of de group.
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Jo, who currently playing for Everton reminds me of Serghino. Runs the same way, looks lazy. Palos, like I said the man was the top scorer in Brazil at the time. We can second guess the coach for not playing Careca. He made the final decision and they lost.Serghino just was not WC material. I second guess the coach for not bringing on Paulo Isidoro earlier in that Italy game. He had speed. Kinder like the current Ramires.Paulo speed would have been the right thing vs the Itals. Anyhow, Careca(great player) got 2 opportunities later and did not bring home the WC either. But he and Diego in Italy were superb.
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
and how they do? we beat them? i have a vague recollection of the in trinidad.
I didn't think they were in our group, can't even remember if they made it to the semi's, it was around '97....calling Tallman....do you have the stats on this?
It was de 1999 Copa Caribe. Brazil was in de group with Cuba, Haiti, and St. Kitts. Dey beat St. Kitts 5-0, but lost 0-1 to Cuba and 3-4 to Haiti, so dey didn't progress out of de group.
Thanks boss :beermug:
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Roque real shitty but as someone said he handled his business in the world cup, i think that was the only stretch of games where he played decent ball otherwise he played ah real heart attack brand.
I was impressed by kleberson especially in de world cup but i guess he getting beat down for struggling at Man U.
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
and how they do? we beat them? i have a vague recollection of the in trinidad.
I didn't think they were in our group, can't even remember if they made it to the semi's, it was around '97....calling Tallman....do you have the stats on this?
It was de 1999 Copa Caribe. Brazil was in de group with Cuba, Haiti, and St. Kitts. Dey beat St. Kitts 5-0, but lost 0-1 to Cuba and 3-4 to Haiti, so dey didn't progress out of de group.
Tallman I went online trying to find the Brazil roster to see if I can recognize any of their players from the Copa Caribe but couldn't find it. Do you happen to have access to it by chance? If my memory serves correct I think they had a forward called Adriano and was wondering if that's the same one who played for Inter and Brazil in the last WC.
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Tallman I went online trying to find the Brazil roster to see if I can recognize any of their players from the Copa Caribe but couldn't find it. Do you happen to have access to it by chance? If my memory serves correct I think they had a forward called Adriano and was wondering if that's the same one who played for Inter and Brazil in the last WC.
Wasn't de same one.
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Anyone of those players mentioned would start on any team from Concacaf !
dont believe everything you read folks ...I around long , before google ... and I have seen some of those fellas play internationally and in the brazilian leagues ..vampeta is a legend in Brazil ..I wont go through them one by one but let me mention the most maligned one ...Serginho ..
go look at the game brazil played against argentina in world Cup 82 ...for the first 15 mins it was all argentina ..remeber they were the defending champions with the most famous young player player making his debut ... he had just lead Aregntina to the world youth Cup 79...brazil could not touch the ball ...then brazil got a free kick ..and Zico took it ...if you want to see save google dat !
the keeper could only parry and that was miraculous in itself ..but first to the rebound was serginho ..the man who took the blame for brazil's failure to win with what was aguably their best team since 1970...Socrates, Zico, eder, Falcao....etc....football was like a ballet ...they caressed the ball rather than kick it .
After that the game changed ..it was all brazil ...culminating in the sending off of maradona for an atrocious foul...
Yes they wanted to blame someone rather than the entire team ...lost in the consolation that serginho lost them the cup was the fact that they failed to contain Paulo rossi who had done nothing previously but who scored a memorable hattrick to silence Brazil and the world. he was not even fancied in Italy !!
the only one who had confience in him was the coach ...
Doh get tie up people ..this article is just the rant of a raving lunatic who had time on his hands ...
There are at least a hundred thousand players competing for every position on the field for Bazil ..you doh get to represent dat team jus so !!!!
Not every ting people sellin yuh must buy ...yuh have de option to pass it straight . Pass this one straight !
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Anyone of those players mentioned would start on any team from Concacaf !
dont believe everything you read folks ...I around long , before google ... and I have seen some of those fellas play internationally and in the brazilian leagues ..vampeta is a legend in Brazil ..I wont go through them one by one but let me mention the most maligned one ...Serginho ..
go look at the game brazil played against argentina in world Cup 82 ...for the first 15 mins it was all argentina ..remeber they were the defending champions with the most famous young player player making his debut ... he had just lead Aregntina to the world youth Cup 79...brazil could not touch the ball ...then brazil got a free kick ..and Zico took it ...if you want to see save google dat !
the keeper could only parry and that was miraculous in itself ..but first to the rebound was serginho ..the man who took the blame for brazil's failure to win with what was aguably their best team since 1970...Socrates, Zico, eder, Falcao....etc....football was like a ballet ...they caressed the ball rather than kick it .
After that the game changed ..it was all brazil ...culminating in the sending off of maradona for an atrocious foul...
Yes they wanted to blame someone rather than the entire team ...lost in the consolation that serginho lost them the cup was the fact that they failed to contain Paulo rossi who had done nothing previously but who scored a memorable hattrick to silence Brazil and the world. he was not even fancied in Italy !!
the only one who had confience in him was the coach ...
Doh get tie up people ..this article is just the rant of a raving lunatic who had time on his hands ...
There are at least a hundred thousand players competing for every position on the field for Bazil ..you doh get to represent dat team jus so !!!!
Not every ting people sellin yuh must buy ...yuh have de option to pass it straight . Pass this one straight !
If people was to take on your post bout Serginho, dey would swear YOU was DE ONLY PERSON did see WC 82 on dis board.
Good ting oddah people see fuh deyself.
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brazil got a free kick ..and Zico took it ...if you want to see save google dat !
the keeper could only parry and that was miraculous in itself ..but first to the rebound was serginho ..the man who took the blame for brazil's failure to win
Eder took that free kick....Zico rebounded it.
Serginho scored a header in the 2nd half.
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brazil got a free kick ..and Zico took it ...if you want to see save google dat !
the keeper could only parry and that was miraculous in itself ..but first to the rebound was serginho ..the man who took the blame for brazil's failure to win
Eder took that free kick....Zico rebounded it.
Serginho scored a header in the 2nd half.
LOL!! Why u had to expose jai like dat for? ;D ;D
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One thing about Brazil is that they get and accept invitations to a lot of tournaments worldwide and they often send their C teams. I remember when they came to participate in a Shell Cup hosted in Trini and they came with a U20 squad to play our senior teams ::)
and how they do? we beat them? i have a vague recollection of the in trinidad.
I didn't think they were in our group, can't even remember if they made it to the semi's, it was around '97....calling Tallman....do you have the stats on this?
It was de 1999 Copa Caribe. Brazil was in de group with Cuba, Haiti, and St. Kitts. Dey beat St. Kitts 5-0, but lost 0-1 to Cuba and 3-4 to Haiti, so dey didn't progress out of de group.
Tallman I went online trying to find the Brazil roster to see if I can recognize any of their players from the Copa Caribe but couldn't find it. Do you happen to have access to it by chance? If my memory serves correct I think they had a forward called Adriano and was wondering if that's the same one who played for Inter and Brazil in the last WC.
Partial 1999 Copa Caribe Brazil U-20 roster:
Silvino Carvalho
Anderson Da Silva
Marcio Da Silva
Roni De Aguilac Souza
Eduardo De Souza
Ewerton De Souza
Marcio Kessler
Afonso Martins Jr.
Alessandro Milagres
Alessandro Salvino
Denis Silva
Jeanderson Silva
Juliano Vicentine
The Adriano that played for the 1999 Brazil U-20 is a defender named Adriano Pereira da Silva. The Adriano you talkin bout is Adriano Leite Ribeiro. In 1999 he played for Brazil U-17 and U-23. He played for the U-20 in 2000.
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Partial 1999 Copa Caribe Brazil U-20 roster:
Silvino Carvalho
Anderson Da Silva
Marcio Da Silva
Roni De Aguilac Souza
Eduardo De Souza
Ewerton De Souza
Marcio Kessler
Afonso Martins Jr.
Alessandro Milagres
Alessandro Salvino
Denis Silva
Jeanderson Silva
Juliano Vicentine
They should call that side Silva, Souza & friends
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Anyone of those players mentioned would start on any team from Concacaf !
dont believe everything you read folks ...I around long , before google ... and I have seen some of those fellas play internationally and in the brazilian leagues ..vampeta is a legend in Brazil ..I wont go through them one by one but let me mention the most maligned one ...Serginho ..
go look at the game brazil played against argentina in world Cup 82 ...for the first 15 mins it was all argentina ..remeber they were the defending champions with the most famous young player player making his debut ... he had just lead Aregntina to the world youth Cup 79...brazil could not touch the ball ...then brazil got a free kick ..and Zico took it ...if you want to see save google dat !
the keeper could only parry and that was miraculous in itself ..but first to the rebound was serginho ..the man who took the blame for brazil's failure to win with what was aguably their best team since 1970...Socrates, Zico, eder, Falcao....etc....football was like a ballet ...they caressed the ball rather than kick it .
After that the game changed ..it was all brazil ...culminating in the sending off of maradona for an atrocious foul...
Yes they wanted to blame someone rather than the entire team ...lost in the consolation that serginho lost them the cup was the fact that they failed to contain Paulo rossi who had done nothing previously but who scored a memorable hattrick to silence Brazil and the world. he was not even fancied in Italy !!
the only one who had confience in him was the coach ...
Doh get tie up people ..this article is just the rant of a raving lunatic who had time on his hands ...
There are at least a hundred thousand players competing for every position on the field for Bazil ..you doh get to represent dat team jus so !!!!
Not every ting people sellin yuh must buy ...yuh have de option to pass it straight . Pass this one straight !
If people was to take on your post bout Serginho, dey would swear YOU was DE ONLY PERSON did see WC 82 on dis board.
Good ting oddah people see fuh deyself.
Yeah boy Palos ...I had to google it like you to make sure ...is 1982 and i saw it on Tv but google save de day right . Eder took the free kick and both Zico and Serginho went for it ...Zico got to it just before serginho did, you first could only tell by his body language but Zico scored it. serginho scored the second to make it 2-0 .
But since you on the bandwagon of bashing Serginho and your memory or computer skills obviously better than mine, maybe you could kindly mention or illustrate how serginho could be blamed for Brazil's loss in that World Cup, especially against Italy . I have included a replay for both our memories to support what I said about rossi ..maybe you can enlighten me as to why Serginho should be so maligned for the loss by a team so replete with stars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTfPOzUc1JI
I especially want you too check 1.52 in the video ...
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Nice read.. a little bit harsh calling up Roque Junior name in this.
I find Ze Maria was decent man. And Kleberson was one of the standout players the 2002 side.
fully agree ..this is a jokey article obviously written by someone with an axe to grind ...I support Argentina and that says a lot about my feelings concerning Brazil, but some of these players mentioned would have been credits to Argentina or any team over the years.
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Nice read.. a little bit harsh calling up Roque Junior name in this.
I find Ze Maria was decent man. And Kleberson was one of the standout players the 2002 side.
fully agree ..this is a jokey article obviously written by someone with an axe to grind ...I support Argentina and that says a lot about my feelings concerning Brazil, but some of these players mentioned would have been credits to Argentina or any team over the years.
dais jus to tell yuh how sh!tty argentina is *boodoomp ching* ;D
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Nice read.. a little bit harsh calling up Roque Junior name in this.
I find Ze Maria was decent man. And Kleberson was one of the standout players the 2002 side.
fully agree ..this is a jokey article obviously written by someone with an axe to grind ...I support Argentina and that says a lot about my feelings concerning Brazil, but some of these players mentioned would have been credits to Argentina or any team over the years.
dais jus to tell yuh how sh!tty argentina is *boodoomp ching* ;D
I was referring to the team which has won 2 world cups at senior level , several at youth level , has won every tournament they have played in and have produced some of the finest players to have ever played the game ...including the player acclaimed to be at least the joint best ever and the current World's best player. The country which boasts at least one influential player in the best teams in the world ...who were you referring to ?
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...boodoomp Ching boop !!
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...boodoomp Ching boop !!
LOL
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As been said by a few Serginho was scoring nough goals in the Brazilian leagues thus the reason for his selection. As many of you all also know a team is comprised of pieces that fit together. So at the time it was felt that he was a good fit for that world cup squad. Serginho was a troubled soul. He often found himself in trouble. Don't quote me on this but if my memory serves me right he was serving a little jail time before the 82 world cup because of his tranSgressions. I have included a clip for your perusal. In-spite of how many felt about him I will always be a supporter. As for them Argentina supporters the name of your new side amongst Brazilians is tres. The last three meetings all yuh get three every-time :rotfl:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ee_1200879799
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As been said by a few Serginho was scoring nough goals in the Brazilian leagues thus the reason for his selection. As many of you all also know a team is comprised of pieces that fit together. So at the time it was felt that he was a good fit for that world cup squad. Serginho was a troubled soul. He often found himself in trouble. Don't quote me on this but if my memory serves me right he was serving a little jail time before the 82 world cup because of his tranSgressions. I have included a clip for your perusal. In-spite of how many felt about him I will always be a supporter. As for them Argentina supporters the name of your new side amongst Brazilians is tres. The last three meetings all yuh get three every-time :rotfl:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ee_1200879799
He did serve jail time.
Rumor was dey let him out of jail jes so dat he could play in de World Cup
Me eh blamin Serginho fuh Brazil World Cup loss.
I sayin he was a rank shithound and both he and Waldir Peres were not worthy of a place in that 82 squad.
Dem 2 was de scabs on an otherwise shining diamond
Anybody who ACTUALLY WATCHED DE TOURAMENT coulda tell yuh was Eder who hit dat free kick and Zico dat score it. Yuh doh need Google fuh dat. Anbody who watched de tournament coulda tell yuh bout de come from behind victory in de first game against Russia when first Socrates and den Eder wit one a de bess goals I ever see in a World Cup mash up Belanov and Dasaev dem. Dey woulda also tell yuh dat Dasaev was de bess goalie in de world at de time.
Brazil lit up that tournament with their play and the only blot on that from an outfield perspective was Serginho.
But whoever want to listen to revisionist "history" from jai john could go ahead if dey want to.
He get ketch chattin forkries and instead a admittin he error...ah mean...EVERYBODY does make mistakes....he tryin to play it off like if is a google ting.....as if oddah people couldn't have seen de games fuh demself.
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He did serve jail time.
Rumor was dey let him out of jail jes so dat he could play in de World Cup
Me eh blamin Serginho fuh Brazil World Cup loss.
I sayin he was a rank shithound and both he and Waldir Peres were not worthy of a place in that 82 squad.
Dem 2 was de scabs on an otherwise shining diamond
Anybody who ACTUALLY WATCHED DE TOURAMENT coulda tell yuh was Eder who hit dat free kick and Zico dat score it. Yuh doh need Google fuh dat. Anbody who watched de tournament coulda tell yuh bout de come from behind victory in de first game against Russia when first Socrates and den Eder wit one a de bess goals I ever see in a World Cup mash up Belanov and Dasaev dem. Dey woulda also tell yuh dat Dasaev was de bess goalie in de world at de time.
Brazil lit up that tournament with their play and the only blot on that from an outfield perspective was Serginho.
But whoever want to listen to revisionist "history" from jai john could go ahead if dey want to.
He get ketch chattin forkries and instead a admittin he error...ah mean...EVERYBODY does make mistakes....he tryin to play it off like if is a google ting.....as if oddah people couldn't have seen de games fuh demself.
I was too young to remember the tournament, but I've seen so much footage of the Brazil 82 squad, I feel like I know the games and goals inside out (which is why I corrected Jai)...Memories of the Brazil team are lit with very attractive attacking play, and free flowing football...I would say that what also stands out to me about that Brazil side was that they had a suspect goal keeper, and a careless backline. One of the Italy goals came from horrid passing across the back, the Argentine goal (and other chances that Argentina had) in the 3-1 win...same thing. When I think of the weakness in that Brazil team, I hardly think of Serginho, but more the loose defending, and suspect goalkeeping...but like ah say I was too young to remember the details of WC '82, and I know that Serginho was pegged as a goat after the tournament, so there must be some truth in that.
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He did serve jail time.
Rumor was dey let him out of jail jes so dat he could play in de World Cup
Me eh blamin Serginho fuh Brazil World Cup loss.
I sayin he was a rank shithound and both he and Waldir Peres were not worthy of a place in that 82 squad.
Dem 2 was de scabs on an otherwise shining diamond
Anybody who ACTUALLY WATCHED DE TOURAMENT coulda tell yuh was Eder who hit dat free kick and Zico dat score it. Yuh doh need Google fuh dat. Anbody who watched de tournament coulda tell yuh bout de come from behind victory in de first game against Russia when first Socrates and den Eder wit one a de bess goals I ever see in a World Cup mash up Belanov and Dasaev dem. Dey woulda also tell yuh dat Dasaev was de bess goalie in de world at de time.
Brazil lit up that tournament with their play and the only blot on that from an outfield perspective was Serginho.
But whoever want to listen to revisionist "history" from jai john could go ahead if dey want to.
He get ketch chattin forkries and instead a admittin he error...ah mean...EVERYBODY does make mistakes....he tryin to play it off like if is a google ting.....as if oddah people couldn't have seen de games fuh demself.
I was too young to remember the tournament, but I've seen so much footage of the Brazil 82 squad, I feel like I know the games and goals inside out (which is why I corrected Jai)...Memories of the Brazil team are lit with very attractive attacking play, and free flowing football...I would say that what also stands out to me about that Brazil side was that they had a suspect goal keeper, and a careless backline. One of the Italy goals came from horrid passing across the back, the Argentine goal (and other chances that Argentina had) in the 3-1 win...same thing. When I think of the weakness in that Brazil team, I hardly think of Serginho, but more the loose defending, and suspect goalkeeping...but like ah say I was too young to remember the details of WC '82, and I know that Serginho was pegged as a goat after the tournament, so there must be some truth in that.
The horrid passing across the back came from Toninho Cerezo. He gift Rossi de ball. Dat said....Rossi took his chances well.
Falcao was a BEAST dat game but it just wasn't meant to be. And your recollections are correct. Suspect goalie and careless backline. But Brazil's backlines up till that time weren't known for their steel anyway. I think it was only in 94 when they let in 3 goals the entire tournament (not counting the penalties in the final) was the defence seen as a stingy, formidable defence.
It was always...no matter how many you scored....we would score more. Except against Italy in 82..they ran out of time.
However...as careless as Brazil's back line was in dem days....Luisinho & Oscar were a good central defensive pairing. Junior was the one who was most indisciplined leaving gaping holes in the back for the opposition to exploit. He was really an attacking midfielder playing left wing back and Toninho Cerezo just had too much work to do to cover for him on occasions. Junior himself made a shit play resulting in a goal in that Italy game letting Rossi ghost in for a free header for the 1st goal.
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Boy Palos,
you good. you real good. As I reading your post, it exactly as you write. Serghinio was not up to par. He threw away a sitter. Cerezo made that errant pass. Never raised his head, assuming Junior was square with him. Junior was ahead of the pass. Rossi got the ball and ran easily and scored. And yes Junior was out of position for the 1st goal(header). Yes as much as I like and admired Junior, he was indeed the indisciplined one(always wanted to attack). He was an ttacking mid-fielder who could defend very well. But as a defender he wanted to attack all the time. Maicon could be his half-brother, who knows.
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Boy Palos,
you good. you real good. As I reading your post, it exactly as you write. Serghinio was not up to par. He threw away a sitter. Cerezo made that errant pass. Never raised his head, assuming Junior was square with him. Junior was ahead of the pass. Rossi got the ball and ran easily and scored. And yes Junior was out of position for the 1st goal(header). Yes as much as I like and admired Junior, he was indeed the indisciplined one(always wanted to attack). He was an ttacking mid-fielder who could defend very well. But as a defender he wanted to attack all the time. Maicon could be his half-brother, who knows.
Dat was de first and to date ONLY game in my life where I cry over a result in football.
Now ah cry over football since....but not over de result.
Ah cry when we national anthem start to play in Dortmund before de match against Sweden
Ah was too numb to cry when de final whistle did blow on November 19, 1989.
But dat Brazil game was dissected because we couldn't believe dey lorse. It had to be a mistake.
I missed de world cup final in 98 because ah had a work function to attend. A flickin golf tournament...a sport I doh play at all. When ah reach een de clubhouse at de end of de day, dem man tell meh Brazil get wax from France. I jes steupes and went home. Up to today I eh boddah to watch dat game. And ah have it still on tape eh because ah did set de timer before leavin de house dat day.
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Sérgio Bernardino, also known as Serginho or Serginho Chulapa (born in São Paulo, December 23, 1953) was a Brazilian football striker.
His career, started in 1974, he played for Marília, São Paulo Futebol Clube, Santos, Corinthians, Marítimo (Portugal), Atlético Sorocaba, Portuguesa, Malatyaspor (1988-1989) and São Caetano. For the Brazilian team he was capped twenty times between May 1979 and July 1982, and participated at 1982 FIFA World Cup, where he played in all five matches and scored two goals.
Serginho further represented Brazil in the 1990 edition of the World Cup of Masters, scoring in the final against Holland.
After retiring he became a football coach and journalist. He managed Santos FC in 2001. Nowadays he has a job on Santos FC as second coach helping the coach of the team
Must be some goat ..he just would not go away ... many people like palos and other Brazilian supporters were shell shocked when Brazil lost by conceeding three goals and only scoring two against Italy. They had to blame someone .... they could not blame the big names and although Serginho scored two goals and played in all 5 games he was singled out for special attention. So is Serginho 's fault ! He throw way de World cup !
Amongst Brazilians is a saying ....Brazil dont win the world cup when favourites....
The point I am making is that a list of footballers was published deriding their statuses as worthwhile brazilian footballers and peeps just accept that juss so !
Amazingly the Italian coach also had a favourite ..so did the trinidadian coacn in 89 ( Maurice Alibey ) he was paolo Rossi. Many in Italy wanted Rossi to stay home rather than go to Spain ..they hated Bearzot and wondered what he saw in Rossi ...just ;like the Brazilian coach who favoured Serginho ...sometimes it works sometimes not ...
Paolo Rossi (born 23 September 1956 in Prato) is an Italian former football striker. In 1982, he led Italy to the 1982 FIFA World Cup title, scoring six goals to win the Golden Boot/top scorer honors, and the Golden Ball. Rossi is the only player to have won all three honours at a single tournament. Javier Saviola, Lionel Messi, Sergio Aguero and Dominic Adiyiah accomplished this in junior teams, in the 2001, 2005, 2007 and 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cups respectively. He is listed among Pelé's 125 all-time greatest footballers.[2]
While at Perugia he was involved in a famous betting scandal (Totonero), and as a result of this Rossi was disqualified for three years though this was later reduced to a two year ban. However, Rossi always claimed to be innocent and be victim of an injustice. In his book I Made Brasil Cry (Ho fatto piangere il Brasile) one of the people that accused him in 1980 admitted that the accusations to him at that time were invented.[3]
[edit] 1982 World Cup
Rossi returned just in time for 1982 FIFA World Cup, but Italian journalists and tifosi lamented he was in very poor shape. This view seemed to be confirmed by Italy's first, appalling three matches, in which he was allegedly described as a ghost wandering over the field aimlessly. Rossi was willing to attack but lacked the fortitude to produce.
Bearzot, however, staunchly confirmed Rossi for the decisive round robin, in which his team was to face Argentina, the reigning World Champions, and Brazil, the biggest favourites to win the title with a team consisting of world-class players such as Sócrates, Zico, and Falcão. After Italy defeated Argentina 2-1 on the defensive work of Gentile and Scirea, who shut down Diego Maradona, Rossi scored three memorable goals to shock Brazil 3-2 to qualify for the semi finals against Poland, where his two goals again won the match for Italy. In the final against Germany, Rossi scored the first of Italy's three goals on a free-kick assist from Gentile to win the match 3-1, giving his team their third World Cup. With six goals total, he won the tournament's maximo goleador award--the Golden Boot--as well.
Italian fans hung banners proclaiming him "Man of the match". Rossi's accomplishments in Spain gained him the title of European Footballer of the Year and World Player of the Year in 1982.