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Egypt's Mubarak transfers power to vice president
By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Maggie Michael, Associated Press – 4 mins ago
CAIRO – Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced he is handing his powers over to his vice president, Omar Suleiman, and ordered constitutional amendments. But the move means he retains his title of president and ensures regime control over the reform process, falling short of protester demands.
Protesters in Cairo's central Tahrir Square, hoping he would announce his resignation outright, watched in stunned silence to his speech, slapping their hands to their foreheads in anger, some crying or waving their shoes in the air in a sign of contempt. After he finished, they resumed their chants of "Leave! Leave! Leave!"
"I have seen that it is required to delegate the powers and authorties of the president to the vice president as dictated in the constitution," Mubarak said near the end of a 15-minute address on state TV. The article is used to transfer powers if the president is "temporarily" unable to carry out his duties and does not mean his resignation.
Mubarak said that the demands of protesters are just and legitimate. He said he had requested six constitutional amendments to answer protesters' reform demands and that he would lift hated emergency laws — but with the caveat, when security permitted, a promise that his vice president made earlier this week but was dismissed by protesters.
Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt)
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large crowd moving down the street maybe towards state tv....this gonna be very interesting.
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pray!!!!
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nowadays iz trial by twitter for politicians....smh...everyone has an opinion based on headlines and soundbites...i rel bored of dis whole egypt saga and the western media's take on the situation
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Mubarak trying to pull ah fast one on the people but they noy taking him on , the people saying the President and VP must go because they are twins .
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nowadays iz trial by twitter for politicians....smh...everyone has an opinion based on headlines and soundbites...i rel bored of dis whole egypt saga and the western media's take on the situation
I don't suppose nearly 30 yrs of oppression, torture and corruption has anything to do with the unrest? Nah... must be Twitter fault this good man getting run outt town. And de evil Western media too... they even take control ah Al Jazeera... Western infidel bastards.
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The longest rope has an ...........(fill in the dots)
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The longest rope has an ...........(fill in the dots)
...enemy in the Western media?
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Mih Arabic kinda rusty, but this is what I hear:
I listen to allyuh whole month, and I agree, changes must be made, so I change the Vice President into a more vicey president. He will be the Camps to my Jack. I will become special advisor to the vice president. Put that is allyuh pipe and smoke it. Allyuh feel because Sammy down the street say I must go, I going anywhere? Who he is? Sammy living here? Allyuh know who I is? I is Hosni! Yeaeeeyeeaahhh!
Who feel dey is man, come by me! Allyuh know whey I living! 1 Presidential Palace, Cairo! Come nah!
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Me eh lying I eh to updated on the Egyptian politics, but ah feeling real sorry for them people boy. Listening to some of the people speaking to reporters, people sounding very educated and inform. I swear was some other tv reporter was talking. Is men who out dey fighting who dropping real knowledge eloquently.
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I feel if the President was taking care of his people in Egypt things would never reach where it is .
Right now the people is waiting for the Army to decide who side they taking and if the army should take the people side the President and Vice President would die tomorrow after the people finish pray .
These Muslim people ready to die for change not exchange , Dictators\Politicians does always take poor people for granted, anytime you see a man standup to you and say i will die for my rights and i am ready to die right now and it is not just him is thousands like him .
Things that the older people took from Mubarak the young people not taking it , this would be a long long civil war with plenty blood if or when it start .
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In all seriousness, it looks like Mubarak is trying to bait the protesters into getting violent, so he have an excuse to crack down. If he mess up they will stretch his neck in Tahrir Square. More likely a less peaceful uprising, while he and the family Somewhere else spending money.
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Me eh lying I eh to updated on the Egyptian politics, but ah feeling real sorry for them people boy. Listening to some of the people speaking to reporters, people sounding very educated and inform. I swear was some other tv reporter was talking. Is men who out dey fighting who dropping real knowledge eloquently.
Yuh need to check out de scenes from the past two weeks... Anderson Cooper from CNN and a host of other journalists get attacked when they went to cover the story. There was also an account I read about two journalists and their Egyptian driver who get arrested (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/weekinreview/06held.html?scp=4&sq=journalists%20torture%20in%20egypt&st=cse) right around the same time, and get taken to one of the Egyptian secret police interrogation compounds. They say they couldn't sleep because is whole night man bawling from getting beat in they ears. A story that was repeated again and again (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article1130742.ece).
http://www.youtube.com/v/UBNLYet_NEQ&feature=player_embedded
... of course it could just be Western media propaganda too, not so Ryan?
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There are lots of bright Egyptians. The problem is no jobs. Most end up in the Gulf states. They want to remain home but can't. It is difficult to get married and support a family in Egypt when you have no prospect of a job. well unless you are a member of the tiny elite who has access to Mubarak and co.
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Detained Egyptian Google Executive's Moving Speech
Feb 8 2011, 11:55 AM ET
By
Alexis Madrigal
Google manager Wael Ghonim seemed like just another technocrat among the company's thousands of employees across the world. His LinkedIn profile lists his interests as "Internet surfing, reading management and marketing books, football, working out." Business associates praised his efficiency, calling him professional, energetic, and result-oriented. A student friend said you could "Count on him for practical, elegant, creative solutions, and the ability to communicate his methodologies to any audience."
One wouldn't think that Ghonim would find himself in the center of the Egyptian uprising. But maybe our social network profiles don't always tell the full story. Ghonim, head of marketing for Google in the Middle East and North Africa, was passionately dedicated to fomenting change in Egypt.
Ghonim turns out to have been one of the administrators of a Facebook page that promoted calls for nationwide protests against the government, he admitted in a recent interview with Dream TV. Foreign Policy provides backstory of that endeavor:
Many people here had speculated that Ghonim was the administrator of the "We Are All Khaled Said" Facebook page, set up to commemorate a 28-year-old youth who was brutally beaten to death on June 6, 2010, by police at an Internet cafe in Alexandria. It was the page's call for nationwide demonstrations across Egypt -- along with the spark provided by nearby Tunisia -- that lit the flame of revolution, activists say. What was so effective about the Jan. 25 protest was that "it was a clear call to action," said Nasser Weddady, civil rights outreach director for the American Islamic Congress in Boston. "Everybody wants to stop torture."
When the protests began in January, he begged off of work at Google and headed straight for Cairo, where he was snatched up by authorities and held for 12 days. As Foreign Policy argues, the hunt for Ghonim and his subsequent release may have "created an undisputed leader for a movement that in recent days has struggled to find its footing." Yesterday, he spoke on the privately owned television channel, Dream TV, and his emotional delivery and powerful call to national action may have solidified his reputation as a serious leader of the uprising.
In one particularly moving moment, Ghonim emotionally describes how the movement for change in Egypt emerged.
The heroes are the ones in the streets. The heroes are each one of us. There's no one on a horse, smacking the saddle and moving the people. Don't let the people deceive you and tell you that. This is the revolution of the youth of the Internet. This is the revolution of the youth of the Internet, which then became the revolution of the youth of Egypt. And now it's become the revolution of all of Egypt. There is no hero and there's no one that should take the seal. We are all heroes. That is it.
You can see the rest of the interview, transcribed and subtitled in English at the site, Alive in Egypt.
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^^^ Western media propaganda. I bet dat Gollum fella have shares in Twitter.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
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Breaking News .... he has stepped down
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Breaking News .... he has stepped down
Ooops nope....CNN just reported he stepped back up
ok it was just to gather his belongings look like he gorne in troot ;)
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Breaking News .... he has stepped down
CAIRO — Hosni Mubarak left Cairo for the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, according to sources and officials, after protesters marched on his main presidential palace and held vast rallies across Egypt.
NBC News reported Mubarak had left from Almaza military airport with his family, citing a high-ranking official and a security source, and the news was later confirmed by a local government official.
However the significance of the move was unclear as Mubarak regularly travels to the town on the southern tip of the Sinai region, where he has a palace.
Mubarak passed most of his powers to Vice President Omar Suleiman Thursday night, rebuffing the demands of hundreds of thousands of demonstrators that he step down immediately.
U.S. officials told NBC News that despite confusion over a speech by Mubarak Thursday — in which he appeared to suggest he was still ultimately in charge — the Obama administration was confident that Suleiman was now running the country.
A White House official said Mubarak's decision to leave Cairo was a "positive first step."
And a U.S. official told NBC News that "clearly with his departure to Sharm, the transition is underway... but particular aspects are still being resolved."
The U.S. officials also said they were "encouraged by the restraint shown by the (Egyptian) military" so far Friday and also that the protesters had remained "peaceful and not turned to violence."
However, in the north Sinai town of el-Arish, there was a potentially alarming development with Reuters reporting that about 1,000 people attacked a police station in an attempt to free prisoners.
Witnesses said they threw Molotov cocktails and exchanged gunfire with police who retreated to the roof. Al-Jazeera television reported the attackers were protesters who broke away from the main demonstration in el-Arish.
'Farewell Friday'
Hundreds of thousands of protesters gathered in Cairo for a huge rally on what they called "Farewell Friday."
This came despite an offer by the army to ensure 30-year-old emergency laws were lifted and free and fair elections held.
The military's comments were seen as a major push to end the worst crisis in Egypt's modern history, but also contained a clear signal that it wanted demonstrators off the streets.
Live television pictures from Alexandria showed massed ranks of people filling a main boulevard in the city and Al-Jazeera reported there were other demonstrations in Suez, Mahala, Tanta and Ismailia.
The protesters' pledge to march from the central Tahrir (Liberation) Square to the presidential palace raised fears of a confrontation between elite troops and demonstrators.
A crowd of more than 1,000 people were already there by midday, demanding he resign immediately. The army did not try to remove them, a Reuters witness said.
The protesters gathered up against a barbed wire cordon around the palace, about 50 yards from the palace walls at its closest point. Six tanks and armored vehicles separated the protesters from the building.
"Down, down Hosni Mubarak!" chanted the protesters. A sign delivering the same message was attached to razor wire blocking one of the entrances to the residence.
."We'll have masses of Egyptians after Friday prayer to take it over," said Ahmed Farouk, 27. "The army has been neutral and did not harm any of us," he added.
"We will march to the palace and oust Mubarak, and we know the world is on our side," said Nurhaan Ismael, a protester, 34.
"The army is relaxed at the moment. They put barbed wire all around (the roads to the palace) but they know the will of the people will topple anything," Ismael told Reuters.
What are you waiting for?" one protester yelled in the face of an army officer outside the palace.
"Did you sign an oath and pledge your allegiance to the president or the people?" another shouted.
One activist, tweeting as monasosh, said a field hospital by been set up outside the palace, where numbers were increasing.
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so dis mean mubarrak gone for good owa? ???
he like a panday. ah feel he have a bank account in london as well. :devil:
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but didn' they jus reject him takin ah back seat to Omar Suleiman on d basis dat dem two is "like twins" ??? , I understand the need for a caretaker an' go between with d army...........but does separating dem on d surface at least make dem any less twin ...um... like ???
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but didn' they jus reject him takin ah back seat to Omar Suleiman on d basis dat dem two is "like twins" ??? , I understand the need for a caretaker an' go between with d army...........but does separating dem on d surface at least make dem any less twin ...um... like ???
I guessin that him stepping down will pacify the people/place and get the economy back on track...den dey go deal wit omar
who knows what does really go on behind the potted palm.....maybe the israelis was quietly advisin him how to stay in power
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I was just watching CNN they was speaking to Google manager Wael Ghonim they ask him which country he think is next he said ask Facebook this is where this uprising began .
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I was just watching CNN they was speaking to Google manager Wael Ghonim they ask him which country he think is next he said ask Facebook this is where this uprising began .
Ahhh... so Ryan was right after all, is de evil West who destabilize de man racket and get de Egyptians up in arms. Make it worse Zuckerberg is ah Jew too. I was still waiting on Dutty tuh come blame dis one on Dolce and Gabana doh.
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Hosni mussbe say to himself. "Yuh see this #&%!, I cyah take this stress nah, lemme relax in mih ole age"
Mr Mubarak is quite a wealthy man after all.
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I was just watching CNN they was speaking to Google manager Wael Ghonim they ask him which country he think is next he said ask Facebook this is where this uprising began .
Ahhh... so Ryan was right after all, is de evil West who destabilize de man racket and get de Egyptians up in arms. Make it worse Zuckerberg is ah Jew too. I was still waiting on Dutty tuh come blame dis one on Dolce and Gabana doh.
well as everyone that loves apple pie and hot dogs is aware...is not despots with silk purses that cause country wide revolutions......it is in fact food vendors that harm themselves
I read where the real reason for the iranian revolution is because somebody firebomb a falafel franchise
The french revolution happened because a croissant vendor drowned himself in the castle moat.....true story, I read that in the Lexington,Kentucky public library.
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Dutty did you reread what yuh just wrote???? The french revolution DID NOT happen because a croissant vendor drowned....it may have been an incident that may have happened but it was not a propelling factor.
What the world is witnessing in Egypt is the truest form of democracy..imagine if that were to occur in the US then again it wouldn't too many laws against assembling en masse without a permit...
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Dutty did you reread what yuh just wrote???? The french revolution DID NOT happen because a croissant vendor drowned....it may have been an incident that may have happened but it was not a propelling factor.
sorry I misstyped I meant it was a flambe chef who decided to become one with his creation. My mistake
MEP doh study me breds...it have $2 martinis today at the montanas down the street...and I was forced to buy lunch for ah client..so I NICE!!!
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Dutty did you reread what yuh just wrote???? The french revolution DID NOT happen because a croissant vendor drowned....it may have been an incident that may have happened but it was not a propelling factor.
What the world is witnessing in Egypt is the truest form of democracy..imagine if that were to occur in the US then again it wouldn't too many laws against assembling en masse without a permit...
Really? Ever heard of "freedom of association"? There is nothing that blanketly prevents people from assembling en masse without a permit as you said... if they were to assemble in the streets without a permit then that would be a different issue. You can't just spontaneously start to march in the streets and block traffic... and for good reason.
Besides... every two years people get to vote and effect some sort of national change, so yes, something like a Tahrir Sq. is indeed difficult to happen in the US.
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Dutty did you reread what yuh just wrote???? The french revolution DID NOT happen because a croissant vendor drowned....it may have been an incident that may have happened but it was not a propelling factor.
What the world is witnessing in Egypt is the truest form of democracy..imagine if that were to occur in the US then again it wouldn't too many laws against assembling en masse without a permit...
Really? Ever heard of "freedom of association"? There is nothing that blanketly prevents people from assembling en masse without a permit as you said... if they were to assemble in the streets without a permit then that would be a different issue. You can't just spontaneously start to march in the streets and block traffic... and for good reason.
Besides... every two years people get to vote and effect some sort of national change, so yes, something like a Tahrir Sq. is indeed difficult to happen in the US.
So which is the truest form of democracy?
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So which is the truest form of democracy?
Lol... what kinda Mensa question is dat? Me eh dat bright... but true democracy hasn't really existed in... I dunno, maybe never. The truest form of democracy gives every man an equal say, but also means that the majority's will prevails. The first part is intrinsic to any form of democracy, each man does indeed get equal say. But the majority always getting its way I'm not sure if that's ever happened.
As far as the majority getting it's way... every democracy that I can think of has been a system of representative government, it's never been mob rule- not even during the French Revolution when the sans culottes was sitting in the Assembly and voting. Representative government means that even though you and I voting for our Representative, we not really controlling his vote. So the votes in the Congress/Parliament/Assembly might reflect the will of the majority within that body, but those votes may not really reflect what the majority of the population wants. And that's a good thing... left to majority rule in certain parts ah dis country and black people would still be picking cotton.
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Bakes
Freedom of association is often within the context of an organization. In Egypt people are collectively fed up with the regime and what started as outrage by a couple of groups grew into an entity of its own. Lets say people were collectively fed up in the US that sort of assembly would never be permitted simply because while you have the right to assemble you have to be permittted to do so. Look back to the 60's, look at when the G20 summit takes place...or simply look at what happens in anticipation of a superbowl win.
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Bakes
Freedom of association is often within the context of an organization.
Not at all. Freedom of association is an individual right not an organizational right.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It means exactly what it says, but it's not an exclusive right, but made subject to reasonable government regulation. For instance, the goverment can't prevent you from assembling, but it can control how, when and where... within reason.
In Egypt people are collectively fed up with the regime and what started as outrage by a couple of groups grew into an entity of its own. Lets say people were collectively fed up in the US that sort of assembly would never be permitted simply because while you have the right to assemble you have to be permittted to do so. Look back to the 60's, look at when the G20 summit takes place...or simply look at what happens in anticipation of a superbowl win.
So what you think all dem Tea Party rallies of the past two years have been? The difference as I said is that you won't get spontaneous assemblies like in Tahrir Square. I don't know much about Tahrir Square but I assume it is a public square where traffic normally passes thru. The right to use of such a public space in the US would belong to not just the protestors but also to the rest of the public who don't want to stuck in a crowd of protestors. So permits are necessary to ensure that everybody gets to use the space... protestors will have it for a finite time while the rest of the public, including traffic, gets diverted by police so that the protestors can have their say.
To say that people have to be "permitted" to assemble in the US distorts reality. In a very technical sense yes, but in reality a permit is a perfunctory matter.... the government can't just deny you a permit. So even if things get to a head people can apply and get their permits and go call Obama all kinda "Socialist" monkey to their hearts content.
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Let me expand a little, freedom of association is an individual right but in the context that one is assembling with like minded people and that everyone who is there chooses to be there but to ensure that all who are there are of the same purpose the state asks purpose of assembly usually through some umbrella group. It's not like one could just send an email saying we at the corner of so an socause we eh what happening
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Let me expand a little, freedom of association is an individual right but in the context that one is assembling with like minded people and that everyone who is there chooses to be there but to ensure that all who are there are of the same purpose the state asks purpose of assembly usually through some umbrella group. It's not like one could just send an email saying we at the corner of so an socause we eh what happening
Well of course... the government not going to grant permits to each and every one of the 200,000 protesters. But incorporated in that right is that an individual does not need a permit to assemble... groups do, if assembling in public.
As for the bolded, this is simply not true. As part of the permit process the government may ask reasonable questions rearding the scope of the assembly... how many people expected, for how long, any amplified equipment etc. But asking the "purpose of the assembly" is not required, that opens the government (in this case the police) to charges of censorship etc. The process of issuing the permit is supposed to be a neutral one and asking the "purpose" etc. goes agains that presumption of neutrality.
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I hear now that democracy is on the verge of going viral in Egypt, ashley madison (http://www.ashleymadison.com/) want to set up in Egypt. :devil:
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I hear now that democracy is on the verge of going viral in Egypt, ashley madison (http://www.ashleymadison.com/) want to set up in Egypt. :devil:
:devil:
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Was watching this clip on CNN.com. Check out the change in the translator voice.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/apps/cvp/3.0/swf/cnn_416x234_embed.swf?context=embed&videoId=bestoftv/2011/02/11/exp.sot.mubarak.statement.cnn
Also, technically what happened in Egypt was a coup.
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Meh ... I doh trust the military as far as I could throw them. Wake me after "free and fair" elections are held.
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Bakes because yuh name start with B fuh Bas right, cling tut try very hard to hold on but to the end he had to let go , all that he did in 30 yrs jus vanish in 18 days and life jus move on .
Switzerland's government moved Friday to freeze any assets in the country's banks that might belong to former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak or his family, the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs said Friday.
Mubarak ended his 30-year reign Friday, stepping down following 18 days of protests against his rule. (CNN.com - Egypt's Mubarak resigns after 30-year rule)
0Email Print An official statement from the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs said the Swiss cabinet had frozen all funds belong to Mubarak or "his circles."
"The [government] intends in doing so to avoid any risk of embezzlement of Egyptian state property," the statement read. "At the same time, the cabinet calls on responsible authorities in Egypt to comply with the justified demands of the Egyptian people in a quick, credible, participatory and transparent manner."
The government does not know what assets, if any, the banks have, said Norbert Baerlocher, a spokesman for the Swiss embassy in Washington.
It is widely believed that Mubarak and his family are extremely wealthy, but estimates as to his total net worth vary widely and haven't been confirmed
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Bakes because yuh name start with B fuh Bas right...
Nah this ent "wake me when it's over", this is "wake me when there's actual democratic rule", because all ah dis celebration is premature. People acting like the battle over when in fact it now starting. Remember Mubarak is himself a former general... these are his friends and cohorts who take over and supposedly have the best interest of the people in mind? They not likely to do anything to piss off the US, dependent on US finance and military technology as they are... but whose to say that they'll be ceding control to a civilian government anytime soon? And even if they do... who's to say that they won't try to sit and manipulat the situation behind the scene?
As I said... I just don't trust them.
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For the Fatima bredren, Raul Thomas who was in class with Samo and I works in Cairo.
Hope all is wel with him.
VB
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Bahrain now getting protests
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-02-14/bahrain-protesters-vow-second-day-of-anti-government-rallies.html
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... and Iran (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/world/middleeast/15iran.html?_r=1&hp).
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Meh ... I doh trust the military as far as I could throw them. Wake me after "free and fair" elections are held.
Exactly. What struck me was the fact that the military used the same language as Abu Bakr and dem boys...... "Free and fair elections." BTW.......same lingo used by Idi Amin and Mubuto back in the days.
AS someone rightly said....."technically it was a coup" so it is left to be seen if this is a power grab by the military.
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with respect to the lara logan story, these news organizations (cbs) sending people to cover a revolution with ink and a copybook and no meaningful security are soulless.