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Title: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royalian on January 18, 2006, 09:35:36 PM
FIFA distances itself from Warner.
By Lasana Liburd (Express).


FIFA eyes Simpaul's

FIFA, the world governing body for football, continues to distance itself from the business dealings of its own vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) president Jack Warner after revealing that Simpaul's Travel Company's 2006 World Cup ticket package was improper according to its guidelines.
Simpaul's Travel-which is owned by Warner, his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Darryl-is offering a World Cup package including match tickets but exclusive of airfare for $30,000 each. Its advertisement reads "Ticket or leave it".
However, FIFA press officer John Schumacher said that Simpaul's package might be improper according to laws governing ticket issued to Participating Member Associations (PMA) like Trinidad and Tobago.
"Packaging tickets with other services is not permitted," said Schumacher, via e-mail.
This is addressed in Article 3.7 of Exhibit B (FIFA Regulations relating to Tickets) of the Participating Member Association (PMA) Ticketing Allocation Agreement (TAA), which states:
"Tickets may not be sold as a part of a package, or made available on the condition that other product(s) and/or service(s), including without limitation, catering, accommodation and/or transportation, are also purchased."
Schumacher explained that newly appointed auditors, Ernst & Young, would investigate to ensure "transparency and correctness in all aspects of FIFA World Cup ticketing".
"It would be premature to speculate as to any disciplinary actions concerned with breaches of the TAAs," wrote Schumacher, "as we in the Media Department are not in a position to pre-judge something that would be a matter for the relevant body to decide upon, after careful consideration of all the facts."
The FIFA Media Department refuted the claim by Warner that the T&TFF did know how many tickets they were allocated for local fans wishing to attend matches at the 2006 World Cup in Germany.
"At this point in time, no one in T&T really knows, except perhaps a creature called Liburd who in T&T will get World Cup tickets, what quantity they will receive or the criteria which will be used in the determination of ticket allocation," Warner said at a press conference on January 3, 2006.
FIFA insisted that the T&TFF have known otherwise for the past three months.
"The Participating Member Associations (PMAs) received the Ticketing Allocation Agreement (TAA) in November 2005," wrote Schumacher.
Andreas Herren, the head of FIFA's media department, also denied the assertion by T&TFF press officer Shaun Fuentes that I was blacklisted by FIFA or that the international body played any role in denying accreditation.
"We've been advised by FIFA that (Liburd) would not be accredited to FIFA tournaments," Fuentes told the Express on Thursday. "Apparently he's in their black book, I can't say for sure."
Herren admitted that English writer Andrew Jennings was declared "persona non grata" after "various allegations levelled at FIFA and its President". But he insisted that FIFA has not made any such decision as regarding any other writer.
"Please note that FIFA does not have a black book nor ever had one," said Herren, via e-mail. "One journalist (Andrew Jennings whom as I understand you know) was declared persona non grata for FIFA events a few years ago...Otherwise, all journalists and photographers are eligible to apply for accreditation in accordance with the procedures...
"FIFA does not at all make the call to which journalist/photographer the accreditations are allotted nor do we issue any advice in this respect to the associations."

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FIFA eyes Simpaul's - World Cup ticket mystery intensifies.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


A minor adjustment on the website of Simpaul's Travel has raised eyebrows internationally as FIFA acknowledged the issue regarding Trinidad and Tobago's distribution of 2006 World Cup tickets earlier this week.
Simpaul's website now states that "match tickets are not included" in its $30,000 2006 World Cup package and must be sourced "directly from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation or via the FIFA website". The price of the travel company's package was also reduced to $27,000.
The change came after FIFA announced the appointment of Ernst & Young as "independent external auditors to monitor and evaluate the overall ticketing project for the 2006 World Cup". The decision from the world governing body, on January 13, came ten days after Warner's public response to the three part series published in the Express on December 25, 26 and 27, which highlighted an apparent lack of transparency within the T&TFF concerning its sale of tickets and its relationship with special adviser and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, the owner of Simpaul's Travel.
The auditing firm's remit includes a whole range of technical and ethical issues, which, while not illegal, contravenes the spirit of FIFA's anti-profiteering message on tickets.
However, the Express contacted Simpaul's Travel on Tuesday and was told that the $30,000 package remained and they still possessed World Cup tickets. When asked to explain the change on their website, a sales representative suggested that Simpaul's had sold out its "internet quota".
It is uncertain whether FIFA, who were initially pleased with Simpaul's updated website, would be satisfied with this explanation.
England's Independent newspaper enquired from FIFA press officer John Schumacher as to whether Simpaul's Travel might be a case study for Ernst & Young and was told to take another look at the company's website.
The Independent was one of dozens of international media houses which include Fox Sports World, the Los Angeles Times, the Berliner Zeitung, England's Daily Mail, CNN, Sports Illustrated and India's Statesman to seize upon the Trinidad Express' three part series highlighting an apparent lack of transparency within the T&TFF concerning its sale of tickets and its relationship with Warner.
Independent writer Nick Harris confirmed, as did the Express, that Simpaul's website was misleading since it was still in the business of selling World Cup tickets as part of a package deal.
Company sales executive Natasha Simmons was quoted in the Independent as confirming that the company's package remained unaltered. When contacted by the Express, though, Simmons said she was not authorised to speak on the matter. Project coordinator Gerald Baptiste could not be reached for comment.
The mystery surrounding the supplier of Simpaul's tickets can potentially lead to a further scandal.
Warner initially told a local press gathering on December 14, 2005, that Simpaul's was the only guaranteed seller of World Cup tickets and had paid $500,000 for this right. The Express calculated, conservatively, that Simpaul could rake in upwards of $50 million on ticket sales. The Independent insisted that Warner's family company would make at least double that amount.
On January 3, Warner changed his tune and claimed that Simpaul's tickets were acquired through an unnamed European tour operator and the T&TFF were still to receive their ticket allocation.
FIFA's website did not suggest how this was possible from a legal and ethical standpoint.
According to FIFA, the "only potential source for general public tickets" was the 2006 FIFA World Cup Ticketing Centre (FWCTC) and the various member associations like the T&TFF. Member associations who are unable to distribute their quota of tickets are instructed to return them to FIFA rather than sell them on to private companies. Corporate sponsors are also bound by FIFA guidelines as regards tickets received for promotional competitions.
Warner further claimed, on January 3, that Simpaul's Travel "has been the official tour operator for the T&TFF since the 1994 World Cup Final". It is uncertain whether Ernst & Young might also be asked to look into those claims.
T&TFF president Oliver Camps, who claimed to be gagged from talking to the press and pleaded ignorance of Warner's involvement with Simpaul's last month, has again refused comment.
"I have nothing to say about the World Cup tickets," said Camps, on Tuesday. "You can use whatever statement was issued in the past. I have nothing to say at this point."
However, a T&TFF clerk explained that the local body stopped taking requests for tickets from the public last week. The clerk, who claimed to be unaware of how many tickets were available, suggested that the Express call back next week for a possible update.
The FIFA website stated that "each Member Association is entitled to commence ticket sales immediately upon confirmation of its qualification for the finals of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany".
Trinidad and Tobago booked a place in the 2006 World Cup finals on November 16, 2005.
FIFA blanks Liburd - After football ticket expose.
By: Gregory Lal-Beharie (Express).
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Sports writer Lasana Liburd who put FIFA vice- president Jack Warner on the spot has been denied accreditation for the World Cup finals by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF).
Liburd has written a three-part series that exposed Warner's ownership of the Simpaul Travel Agency which has been granted exclusive rights to Trinidad and Tobago's quota of World Cup tickets.
In a letter to the Express Newspapers dated January 10, T&TFF media officer David Lamy advised that another Express reporter and a photographer had been duly accredited but was silent on the request made for Liburd by Editor-at-Large Keith Smith.
Liburd's articles on December 25, 26 and 27 queried the conflict of interest between the Warner family's ownership of Simpaul and its resulting control of high-priced World Cup packages.
The T&TFF's non-accreditation of Liburd means he will be denied access to the media box at the World Cup and access to training sessions for the team at the match venue. He would also not be able to attend post-match media conferences.
T&TFF communications officer Shaun Fuentes said they were limited to recommending 21 reporters and five photographers from the country for accreditation.
"We had to give preference for those who we know have been true supporters of the football team throughout the campaign before anyone else who is now requesting accreditation", was his explanation.
Fuentes however suggested that Liburd was suffering the wrath of FIFA: "We've been advised by FIFA that he would not be accredited to FIFA tournaments. Apparently he's in their black book, I can't say for sure."
Lamy who signed the correspondence to the Express refused comment on Liburd's accreditation denial.
"I don't have to tell you that. That's internal. That's Mr Warner's business. Anything like that you ask him. I have to report to him, not to you or anybody else."
Attempts to contact Warner were unsuccessful and a letter from Smith to Mr Lamy requesting a reason for Liburd' shut-out has so far gone unanswered.
In a World Cup Year, There Must Be a Scandal Somewhere.
By Grahame L. Jones, Times Staff.
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Corruption, thy name is FIFA.
When it comes to scandal, soccer's world governing body leaves the International Olympic Committee looking like a choirboy, as pure as the driven snow that piles up at this time of year around FIFA headquarters in Zurich, Switzerland.
World Cup years are worse than others because the quadrennial tournament, apart from being a huge sporting event, is a financial cash cow of immensely bloated proportions. Opportunities abound for the greedy, the unscrupulous, and the unethical.
Not surprisingly in the Joseph "Sepp" Blatter era, FIFA's "for the good of the game" leadership jumps at the chance.
It was only last month that Urs Linsi, FIFA's general secretary, said in Leipzig, Germany, that the 2006 World Cup would generate $1.7 billion — most of it from television and sponsors — and would be the most profitable in history.
It comes as no great shock, therefore, that the stench of cronyism and conflict of interest is rising from several locales, not least of them Port of Spain, Trinidad, as the scramble for World Cup tickets intensifies.
In Port of Spain, Jack Warner, a FIFA vice president, president of soccer's North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) region and a "special advisor" to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), is up to his neck fending off accusations of questionable ethics.
Again. Just as he had to do in 2001.
A three-part investigative series by journalist Lasana Liburd of the Trinidad Express has revealed that Warner and his family own a company, Simpaul Travel Services Limited, that bought Trinidad and Tobago's entire allocation of World Cup tickets from the country's soccer federation.
Simpaul, the Express wrote, stands to make millions of dollars, not off individual ticket sales but rather by selling packages that include accommodations and tickets for all three of Trinidad and Tobago's three first-round matches, against Sweden, England and Paraguay. At prices far above what might be expected.
"Soca Warrior" fans have no choice. It's the package or nothing.
Tickets that FIFA priced at $360 and $214 are being sold, by Simpaul, for $4,875, Liburd wrote "with the addition of lodging for 12 days in Germany and a national flag, replica shirt and wristband" but "exclusive of airfare and ground transport."
Depending on how many tickets they have — no one will reveal the number — "the Warners could be $50 million [U.S. $8 million] richer from ticket sales alone," Liburd calculated.
When the Express asked "whether it was ethical for the country's ticket allocation to be diverted to Warner's private company," neither Oliver Camps, the TTFF president, nor Warner would comment, the newspaper said.
"Do you know who the owner of Simpaul is?" it quoted Camps as saying. "Let us not go there."
Warner, meanwhile, was even more dismissive.
"You write what you want to write," he told Liburd. "I have nothing to discuss with you."
Once the series was published, however, and once the Trinidad and Tobago government had threatened to step in and sort matters out, Warner, his ego flaring, was much more forthcoming.
"It is not a crime to be successful, even for people like me," he said, pompous as ever, adding that no one should "attempt to impute improper business practices and conflicts of interest to me."
The Express series, he claimed, was "part of a well-timed, carefully orchestrated character assassination, designed to devalue any political currency which opponents ... feel I might have been developing as a result of the Soca Warriors' World Cup qualification alongside my own efforts within the United National Congress to unify the party and country."
In the same Jan. 3 news conference, Warner said he believed "the intention of the articles is to change the reference point of Jack Warner in the minds of the public, or more importantly, the electorate. It was designed to sully the Warner name and to reframe the recent achievements I have yearned and struggled for over many years in the football arena."
Aside from being a grammatical shambles, such comments are not only self-serving but absurd.
In Warner's eyes, it's all a conspiracy designed to thwart his political ambitions, not a matter of ethics at all. Why shouldn't a FIFA vice president snap up all his country's World Cup tickets and make a financial killing?
With soccer fans in Trinidad and Tobago up in arms over what they perceive as unfair practices and price gouging, Patrick Manning, the country's prime minister, was forced to step in.
Sports minister Roger Boynes said the government would try to buy tickets from the federation — even though no more supposedly are available — and would arrange charter flights for fans on the national airline.
Such is the arrogance of FIFA's leaders that Warner brushed this aside.
"No government in the world can intervene in FIFA's business," he said, "and that's the bottom line. Mr. Manning represents the government of Trinidad and Tobago. FIFA doesn't deal with governments."
As the Express pointed out, this is not the first time that Warner has enriched himself off a FIFA event.
"Warner similarly cashed in," it said, when Trinidad and Tobago played host to the 2001 FIFA Under-17 World Championship. "Then, his companies controlled exclusive contracts to supply air tickets to all competing foreign teams as well as catering and IT [communication] deals for all the stadiums."
This is the man who presides over CONCACAF, the 38-member regional soccer confederation of which the United States, Canada and Mexico are a part.
As long as Warner can deliver CONCACAF's votes to his good pal Blatter, FIFA's equally insufferable president, no one in Zurich is going to question the way he is lining his pockets.
Meanwhile, have U.S. Soccer, Soccer Canada or the Mexican Football Federation, the region's supposed powers and presumptive molar leaders, ever raised a squawk about the ethics or lack thereof within CONCACAF?
Have the American companies — Anheuser Busch, Coca-Cola, Gillette, Mastercard, McDonald's — that give tens of millions of sponsorship dollars to FIFA ever questioned how that money is being used or misused? Not a chance.
They just go along with it all.
If soccer itself can't or won't clean up its act, if governments supposedly are powerless to intervene, then perhaps the way to accomplish change is through the sponsors.
Money is all that matters to FIFA's elect, so if fans can turn off the financial tap by boycotting or at least pressuring FIFA's sponsors, soccer might eventually be able to rid itself of those who currently infest its highest reaches. For the real good of the game.

Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: FF on January 18, 2006, 10:26:06 PM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Toppa on January 18, 2006, 11:19:44 PM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 18, 2006, 11:46:41 PM
man gettin excited oui  :rotfl:

FF nearly break when he hear dis news  :rotfl:

warner drop de soap, now he gettin bull all kinda ways
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Peong on January 19, 2006, 01:44:34 AM
Pressure for Jack to fix his business.

But yuh know he not gettin in no trouble with he and his boys runnin FIFA.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Themanfriday on January 19, 2006, 02:12:11 AM
So lemme heah allyuh that thought I wasn't talking with FIFA. I told you all I was doing something about it.

You are most welcome Trinidad & Tobago my home sweet home
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: JayTheWrecker on January 19, 2006, 02:20:40 AM
Uncle Jack has become an international embarassment for TnT

The whole world is reading about this debacle and thinking "typical banana republic behaviour"

govt. should hold a full public enquiry into Uncle Jack's wheeler dealing

Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: scarface on January 19, 2006, 04:14:02 AM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

this is a job for captain planass
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: oconnorg on January 19, 2006, 04:21:56 AM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

this is a job for captain planass

For real.. WHO SAY!!

Jackoffasour under level pressure now..Blasted backside...
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: TnTVillan on January 19, 2006, 05:01:19 AM
I now check ticketcity.com for ticket prices. TnT vs England category 1 is $1250 us and category 3 is $900 us. TnT vs Sweden is $725 category 1 and $475 category 2. Tickets getting expensive. Holland vs Argentina is $1150 us for category 1.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: JDB on January 19, 2006, 05:07:39 AM
Company sales executive Natasha Simmons was quoted in the Independent as confirming that the company's package remained unaltered. When contacted by the Express, though, Simmons said she was not authorised to speak on the matter.

I feel she related to Camps yes.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Johpants on January 19, 2006, 10:01:19 AM
TTFF was selling tix all this time? Any news on what is happening with the Government's talk about the BWIA charter and tickets to be procured from the TTFF?
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: E-man on January 19, 2006, 10:10:19 AM
Why can't TTFF sell tickets like Sweden? Go to their main page (http://www.svenskfotboll.se) and it tells you right there on the right side how many applications are in for each game. Click to the detail page (http://www.svenskfotboll.se/t2vm06.asp?p=137777) and it tells you how many seats are available (their 8% for the game with us is 4,595), how many of each category, everything in detail!!!

so far their games are over subscribed anywhere from 5-1 to 10-1, but at least they know whats going on. Their application window is Jan 10-24. See my other post on their application procedure (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=10504.0)

So Camps - yeah right - I mean Jack, where's our 4,595 for the first match? Where's the rest?
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: supporter on January 19, 2006, 11:19:05 AM
we know the allocation has been received. so the question is when are we going to find out how to apply, when/where to apply,etc???
what you waiting for ttff?
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: gothic on January 19, 2006, 12:33:04 PM
well i know that TTFF has been taking names and the number of tickets you requested, yesterday i went in and the girl told me to come back next week
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: truetrini on January 19, 2006, 04:44:10 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: cyar say more dan dis
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Sam on January 21, 2006, 04:08:05 AM
Shaun Fuentes just love it, he like Jack puppy, no wonder he dont do a good job writing because he all up in Jack business when he should just focus on doing his dam job.... like he fighting to be Jack right hand man....

Good job Lasana,,,,,, Jack "Don King" Warner will burn and I hope he fall hard !!!!!!!!!! because he killing poor people and his own too...

Jack dont feel bad or what,,,,,, having a setta man with no back bone working for him... them in not yuh true friends... but then again, who is, I guess you have to continue buying your friends...

De government should seize de TTFF.... and clean house, from Jack Warner go down..... to much mafias involved... a bunch of thiefing bastards..... lauging in yuh fast, begging poor people to support de team and then stabbing them in they back......

De people dont have de balls to stand up, de TTFF go throw a big fete and catch nuff man...

DON'T SUPPORT JACK WARNER AND THE TTFF......

Jack should be happy to get a full T&T support in Germany so our players will feel right at home.... but no, its all about Jack and Jack alone..... like de under 17 world cup in T&T (2001) wasn't enough or what..
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: real-warrior on January 21, 2006, 04:09:11 PM
he duz create serious problems oui
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: truetrini on January 21, 2006, 05:05:05 PM
Jack and Panday together destroyes the U Ent See? and now dey trying tuh destroy deyself.

JAck is ah real ass nd Fuentes disappointing meh..ah eh go lie.

Everybody seeing Jasck fuh what he is..now de trute coming put about how he lyng nop arse about de ticket allocation.

Steups.

Pull out that Trinity Cross dey Rotato...hammer and nails waiting..and ah special place in hell fuh he minions and fellow Judases!
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: MickeyRat on January 21, 2006, 05:11:38 PM
Jack and Panday worst than Judas and Satan.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: TriniCana on January 21, 2006, 07:10:20 PM
Ah wish ah could find dey thread with half ah allyuh, given dey blasted chance woulda pin that trinity cross on Warner backside and feel reel proud after .:wavetowel: wave allyuh trinity cross...

Now allyuh back charging...... ::)

But as sure as Cain murdar Abel, bachannel go start and next thing ya know, talk go start up bout how FiFA want to penalize we ass fur something.

Anybody get dey ticket from Simpaul in here ?
Title: Forget Sven, Jack Warner is the Real Scandal
Post by: E-man on January 29, 2006, 09:43:59 PM
<a href="http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/forget-sven-jack-warner-is-the-real-scandal.html>Forget Sven, Jack Warner is the Real Scandal[/url]
Bob
 Worldcupblog.org
Posted on: January 25th, 2006


While the tabloid headline writers in England are hyperventilating from excitement, the workers inside the FIFA castle have to be smiling ear to ear as they see all of the attention given to the Sven-Goran Eriksson saga.

The smiles mask a fear though.

FIFA has to be asking itself, what happens when the Sven scandal goes away and hungry journalists turn their attention to an even worse scandal, that of Jack Warner?

For a good summary of the Warner situation, you can go here (you have to register but the LA Times is a decent paper so go ahead and sign up). Basically what we know is that Warner who is FIFA vice president, president of CONCACAF and a “special advisor” to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, has worked the system so that he is set to make up to $8 million from the sale of his country’s World Cup tickets.

Warner maintains he has done nothing wrong and claims that people are out to get him because he is buddy-buddy with FIFA president Sepp Blatter. Here is an example of the man’s thinking. After you read it, you’ll wonder how he ever became in charge on anything.

Meanwhile, FIFA is investigating the matter and its spokespeople have said that things do look fishy, but check back with them in a bit.

Why should you care? Well, this is egregious even by FIFA’s historically sketchy standards. It would be naïve to say that the system isn’t set up to benefit those in power, but now that this scandal has been blown into the open FIFA owes it to the people who watch its sport – and pays its bureaucratic salaries - to fix the mess.

Jack Warner shouldn’t receive a dime from the sale of World Cup tickets. He should be forced to resign from his multiple football-related roles. And FIFA should take swift action to make sure something like this never happens again.

One more thing FIFA should do. It should grant media accreditation to Lasana Liburd of the Trinidad Express who broke this story. FIFA has denied Liburd’s request to cover T&T during the World Cup.

This is a shame because while Liburd sits at home, some of those tabloid reporters covering Sven will be in the press box. You have to think that FIFA prefers it that way.
Title: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Observer on March 17, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
FIFA clears Jack Warner over World Cup tickets.
 
ZURICH, (Reuters) - FIFA said on Friday that no action would be taken against vice-president Jack Warner over a World Cup ticketing controversy.
Warner is special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation. Trinidad have qualified for the World Cup for the first time.
Warner invited FIFA to investigate his relationship with Simpaul Travel Service after the Trinidad and Tobago Express newspaper alleged Trinidad's allocation of tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany would be handled solely by the company.
"There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference.
"It was decided the matter had to be closed."
In February FIFA said its ethics committee concluded that because of his involvement with Simpaul Travel Service in Port-of-Spain, Warner had a conflict of interest over World Cup tickets and "as a result, he has violated FIFA's Code of Ethics".
He could have been expelled from world soccer's ruling body if found guilty by the executive committee.
Warner has been one of president Blatter's closest allies since his appointment to FIFA's executive in 1983.
Trinidad have been drawn with England, Sweden and Paraguay in Group B at the World Cup which begins on June 9.
FIFA lets off Jack Warner.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.
A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"
The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.
Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.
FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.
The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.
But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.
If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.
Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.
The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.
The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.
Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.
The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.
It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.
Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present, Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.
FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.
"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."
Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.
"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.
"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."
A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
Setting Warner straight.
T&T Express Reports.
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As the newspaper which exposed the conflict of interest engaged in by Jack Warner, FIFA vice president and special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, in the business arrangements for selling tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany in June, we feel it is important to set the record straight.
Mr Warner has taken out paid advertisements in the newspapers celebrating the fact that he was "cleared'' by the FIFA Ethics and Fairplay Committee, after he was let off the hook last Friday. He said it was a "character assassination attempt'' which had failed.
He had been found guilty of a conflict of interest by this committee after it held that the company which had a principal role in the selling of tickets and tour packages to local fans wanting to travel to the games was in fact a company owned by him and other members of his family.
The fact that the world's football governing body forced him to sell his shares and those of his immediate family members is a powerful demonstration that there was indeed a conflict of interest in this matter.
It is true, however, that FIFA did not apply the full brunt of the law as laid down by its Ethics and Fairplay Committee against Mr Warner who is one of the organisation's highest ranking officials. But with a clear case of a violation of the rules which it has established, the world football body has exhibited in this case a classic example of cronyism at the highest level.
Not many people expected the decision to have been much different from what it was.
Mr Warner has sought to make much of the fact that it was he who voluntarily called in the committee to have a look at the issue. But the reality is that he did that only on the basis of the series of articles which set out the case in clear and unambiguous terms. This action of his was after the fact, plain and simple.
He has gone on to say that the articles were part of what he sees as an "Operation Get Jack Warner,'' of which he declares that there are other rounds to follow.
Shrewd and cunning politician that he is, Mr Warner must know that the case for an investigation into the construction of stadia for the 2001 youth football tournament held in Trinidad and Tobago in 2001 and raised by Government Minister Dr Keith Rowley will once again put the spotlight on him.
Indeed, that spotlight has been already so trained and therefore Mr Warner is making a political play because he feels more heat is coming his way in the days ahead. Certainly, it will.
Phagwa Jack 'wines' on critics.
BY: Richard Charan (Express).

 
 Back home after being let off by the Executive Committee of FIFA on charges of ethics violations, Jack Warner wined on stage with Phagwa celebrants and then "wined" on his critics, although he said they wanted to kill him politically.
Warner said that before jetting home from Switzerland on Saturday night, he was the one who applied for, and was granted more tickets for sale to Trinidadians wanting to see the Soca Warriors in action in Germany.
Warner was in a celebratory mood last evening at a Phagwa function held at Palmiste Pastures, San Fernando.
Last Friday, FIFA President Joseph Sepp Blatter announced that Warner, a FIFA Vice President, had been cleared of all charges arising out of his family's ownership of Simpaul's Travel Agency. The agency is the sole ticketing agent for the World Cup. FIFA investigated the charges based on an exclusive Express investigation, and after Warner requested an investigation.
Warner, the UNC's Deputy Political Leader, said: "As we all know, the allegations was a political matter. They thought they would discredit me, kill my spirit, my good name and my standing in my country. They figured if they killed me, it would affect the UNC but it didn't work. But don't believe this would be the last time they will try this."
He added: "They will cross me again and I am ready for them. I am happy to be among my people. I feel at home."
Warner said of his family's travel agency: "I have severed ties with the travel service.
I asked FIFA to tell me where is the conflict of interest. They didn't tell me. I went to them, so what is the big hullabaloo?"
Warner, who was doused with abeer and plastered with coloured powder during his stage antics, also promised to tell all about the "level of treachery" involved in in the FIFA ticketing scandal.
About the World Cup tickets, Warner said: "We are getting more tickets.
All those people who wanted four (tickets) and under will get. I made an application and FIFA have accepted it. We will have more tickets than we need."
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: bill on March 17, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
STEUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: andre samuel on March 17, 2006, 09:27:25 AM
Oh my God!!  :o :o :o :o :o

Wat a Suprise!!

Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: skins on March 17, 2006, 09:29:01 AM
The power of Jack Warner wins again.....
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Dutty on March 17, 2006, 09:29:15 AM
Not even ONE penance push up self?  ::)



Allyuh watchin unethical power at the highest levels scratch each odder back oui
It real sad to say, but dat is how dis entire planet does run


Time for me to start teefin or someting oui
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on March 17, 2006, 09:30:24 AM
Oh my gosh the shock!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: oconnorg on March 17, 2006, 09:37:07 AM
De horror.. I canot believe that happend..  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: duscam on March 17, 2006, 09:37:46 AM
Quote
There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company  then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference
Quote
.

that is why...the man prob juss sell the interest to he wife or son and talk done
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: pardners on March 17, 2006, 09:39:13 AM
Expected....

But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 09:40:35 AM
Expected....

But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?

Most likely he just put them in another family member's name, until this blows over... ::)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: doc on March 17, 2006, 09:43:02 AM
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden  :devil:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: jai john on March 17, 2006, 09:45:31 AM
I am totally shocked ! Never in my wildest dreams !
Again evil wins out ...but it doesn't last folks it just makes the fall harder in the end.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Trinimassive on March 17, 2006, 09:49:01 AM
What it is allyuh wanted tuh happen to him ???

Ah ask that question before and nobody say they wanted anything to happen to him except stupidness like pushups or hail mary  :angel:

Allyuh is kicks yes
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: jai john on March 17, 2006, 09:52:57 AM
Money passssssss !
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: dumpalewie on March 17, 2006, 09:56:24 AM
Liburd has an article in today's papers reporting that Jack had his name removed as a company director before heading to the meeting.
Title: Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 09:59:08 AM
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)


Friday, March 17th 2006
 
 FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner has legally distanced himself from Simpaul's Travel Service as the 2006 World Cup ticket scandal nears full time.

Warner, one of six ordinary FIFA vice-presidents, had his name removed as the owner of Simpaul's Travel by the Ministry of Legal Affairs early last week. The names of his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, were also expunged from the Simpaul's Travel records.

Warner's legal sidestep is the latest twist in the Simpaul saga, which began with a series of articles in the Express last year that highlighted his joint interests in local football as administrator and businessman, and led to the UNC deputy political leader being convicted of breaching FIFA's code of ethics last month.

Between yesterday and today, FIFA was to decide on the ramifications of Warner's actions, which carry the threat of expulsion.

Section three of the FIFA Code of Ethics governing "Eligibility for and removal from office" states:

"Only persons with the highest ethical principles who are willing to be bound by this Code without reservation may serve as an official or a member of a body. Anyone who does not fulfil or ceases to fulfil these conditions shall be deemed ineligible to serve as an official or a member of a body and, if already in office, shall be relieved of that position.

"The same applies to persons convicted of an offence that calls into question their ability to discharge their duties. Prior to being elected or appointed as an official or a member of a body, all persons must automatically declare any interests they have that may interfere with their duties."

On November 26, 2005, ten days after the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup tournament in Germany, Warner announced that Simpaul's Travel had paid the T&TFF $500,000 to be its official ticket distributor.

Warner did not say, at the time, that he was a director at Simpaul's along with his wife and sons. T&TFF president Oliver Camps also claimed ignorance of this fact when questioned by the Express.

Once Simpaul's ownership became a matter of public discussion, Warner admitted his role in the company on January 3, 2006, but denied receiving a single ticket from the T&TFF, and insisted that his supplier was an unnamed European tour operator.

Warner is a board member of the FIFA Organising Committee for World Cup 2006 and Bureau 2006 FIFA World Cup, which are directly responsible for the planning of the upcoming event.

At his February 15 meeting with FIFA to discuss his ticket distribution business, Warner dropped the mysterious European seller and claimed to receive 1,770 World Cup tickets from the T&TFF. This figure, if correct, means that Warner's family could have pocketed near $18 million from ticket sales, factoring a profit of $10,000 per ticket on his package, which is valued at $30,000 each.

Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".

Warner was nevertheless found guilty by the FIFA Committee for Ethics and Fair Play and is the first FIFA Executive Committee member to ever suffer that fate.

It could possibly get worse by today. Warner will travel with more than Simpaul's change of directorship for protection.

A March 7 release from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which is headed by his long time friend and employee Harold Taylor, insisted that its 30 member nations stood "united in full support of their president, Jack Warner".

FIFA must now decide whether they believe Warner was ignorant of what constitutes a conflict of interest in the first place and that a name change and a few statements suggest he has subsequently mended his ways.

Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
 
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: oconnorg on March 17, 2006, 10:03:56 AM
Well well well, WELL WELL WELL..
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: FF on March 17, 2006, 10:05:27 AM
This part make meh smile

Quote
Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".

Jack is ah true smart man....
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Pasdah Beatz on March 17, 2006, 10:09:31 AM
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden :devil:
Bulletproof Jack.hahahaha :rotfl:
 Heh eventhoght well all doh like Jack ah love tuh see ah trini get away... lol
But he good Give Jack his Jacket :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: oconnorg on March 17, 2006, 10:19:54 AM
Ah like that Bullet proff Jack
Title: Re: Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Post by: Dutty on March 17, 2006, 10:21:43 AM
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)


Friday, March 17th 2006
 
 FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner has legally distanced himself from Simpaul's Travel Service as the 2006 World Cup ticket scandal nears full time.

Warner, one of six ordinary FIFA vice-presidents, had his name removed as the owner of Simpaul's Travel by the Ministry of Legal Affairs early last week. The names of his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, were also expunged from the Simpaul's Travel records.

Warner's legal sidestep is the latest twist in the Simpaul saga, which began with a series of articles in the Express last year that highlighted his joint interests in local football as administrator and businessman, and led to the UNC deputy political leader being convicted of breaching FIFA's code of ethics last month.

Between yesterday and today, FIFA was to decide on the ramifications of Warner's actions, which carry the threat of expulsion.

Section three of the FIFA Code of Ethics governing "Eligibility for and removal from office" states:

"Only persons with the highest ethical principles who are willing to be bound by this Code without reservation may serve as an official or a member of a body. Anyone who does not fulfil or ceases to fulfil these conditions shall be deemed ineligible to serve as an official or a member of a body and, if already in office, shall be relieved of that position.

"The same applies to persons convicted of an offence that calls into question their ability to discharge their duties. Prior to being elected or appointed as an official or a member of a body, all persons must automatically declare any interests they have that may interfere with their duties."

On November 26, 2005, ten days after the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup tournament in Germany, Warner announced that Simpaul's Travel had paid the T&TFF $500,000 to be its official ticket distributor.

Warner did not say, at the time, that he was a director at Simpaul's along with his wife and sons. T&TFF president Oliver Camps also claimed ignorance of this fact when questioned by the Express.

Once Simpaul's ownership became a matter of public discussion, Warner admitted his role in the company on January 3, 2006, but denied receiving a single ticket from the T&TFF, and insisted that his supplier was an unnamed European tour operator.

Warner is a board member of the FIFA Organising Committee for World Cup 2006 and Bureau 2006 FIFA World Cup, which are directly responsible for the planning of the upcoming event.

At his February 15 meeting with FIFA to discuss his ticket distribution business, Warner dropped the mysterious European seller and claimed to receive 1,770 World Cup tickets from the T&TFF. This figure, if correct, means that Warner's family could have pocketed near $18 million from ticket sales, factoring a profit of $10,000 per ticket on his package, which is valued at $30,000 each.

Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".

Warner was nevertheless found guilty by the FIFA Committee for Ethics and Fair Play and is the first FIFA Executive Committee member to ever suffer that fate.

It could possibly get worse by today. Warner will travel with more than Simpaul's change of directorship for protection.

A March 7 release from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which is headed by his long time friend and employee Harold Taylor, insisted that its 30 member nations stood "united in full support of their president, Jack Warner".

FIFA must now decide whether they believe Warner was ignorant of what constitutes a conflict of interest in the first place and that a name change and a few statements suggest he has subsequently mended his ways.

Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
 


Waaay...so since none ah de orginal principals there no more

It ripe fuh de pluckin ent?
Allyuh let we take up ah collection and try one ah dem hostile takeover nah


Pass de hat, socawarriors.net goin an buy out simpauls.
Make TT, SAM & TI each a VP of football affairs  ;D

Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Pompey on March 17, 2006, 10:24:17 AM
Expected....

But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?

Probably sold them to Sepp Blatter half way through the meeting.

FIFA demonstrate their lack of genitalia once again.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
Actually unofficially he did have to write 100 lines

I MUST NOT GET CATCH
I MUST NOT GET CATCH
I MUST NOT GET CATCH
...
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 10:35:50 AM
http://www.totallyabsurd.com/bulletproofbuttocks.htm
(http://www.totallyabsurd.com/bulletproof_buttocks.GIF)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 17, 2006, 10:38:20 AM
i keep tellin allyuh leave jack alone.not even fifa could touch he.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Pasdah Beatz on March 17, 2006, 10:42:48 AM
He's Short
He's Dark
He Stammers
He's Bullet Proof Jack
.... <back ground music>
<females whisper> Jack... Jack

BULLET PROOF JACK SUPER SENSATIONAL SUNDAYS ON CCN TV 6

________________________________________________________

eH DOH BE VEX WID fIFA WE NEED HIM ALTESE TUH GET IN TUH 2010
Jack haffi pay de coaches what rag wid alyuh
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: 1989 on March 17, 2006, 10:45:52 AM
Well the article didn't mention what was discussed at the meeting.  I sure that meeting had some statements like: "But if we convict him he go tell on we..." ;D
Title: Re: Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 17, 2006, 11:20:19 AM
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)



Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
 

he trying he best boy
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 17, 2006, 11:23:26 AM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Weh-it-is on March 17, 2006, 11:27:03 AM
The whole FIFA organization is the Mafia! It's good to know that one of the bosses are part of Trinidad and Tobago football. So who cares... I don't!  ;D Anyone who knows the mafia has alot to do with soccer around the world.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Trinimassive on March 17, 2006, 11:38:12 AM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 17, 2006, 12:58:36 PM
Even Julius Ceasar collect stabb in he arse. Everything is only for a timing. Jack will pay eventually.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: breezers on March 17, 2006, 02:16:14 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: dombasil on March 17, 2006, 02:52:28 PM
First OJ, now Jack.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: DeSoWa on March 17, 2006, 03:14:05 PM
sumting jus doh make sense wid me...ent he was on the de board of simpauls at the time of the conflict?...how he could now go an jus tek he name orf ah week before he face the committee and then say now there is no conflict..ah jus do understand..at the time of de crime he was on de board...it shouldn't matter he eh dey now..steups...anyways ha happy for him...every dog jack have his day oui. He time will come..

Big Up!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.


some people rel dottish.


he runs that place.


He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.


FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Bourbon on March 17, 2006, 03:43:35 PM
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.


some people rel dottish.


he runs that place.


He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.


FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.


He IS the president of FIFA. Last year before the Baharian game andre baptiste ask him if sepp step aside if he would contest the presidency he said of course. andre ask how long he think sepp have he answer....as long as i give him  :devil:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 03:54:33 PM
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.


some people rel dottish.


he runs that place.


He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.


FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.


He IS the president of FIFA. Last year before the Baharian game andre baptiste ask him if sepp step aside if he would contest the presidency he said of course. andre ask how long he think sepp have he answer....as long as i give him  :devil:

stewps. ENT.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: scooby on March 17, 2006, 05:15:03 PM
That`s just to show everyone how big jack is in FIFA, blatter needs jack to stay in power so he can`t let them get rid of his big dog. We make not like that crook but I bet if he wanted he could be president of FIFA but is easier to dip in the cash box when you not on the top. Jack`s day will come do worry
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: jai john on March 17, 2006, 05:41:02 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!

i guess you could say ...dat its all because of youuuu ... you just stay on dat midnight train to georgia and when jack leave beg him to come back as you´ll never find .....
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: weary1969 on March 17, 2006, 05:43:34 PM
As my late mother said ( the only sad thing is that I will not be able to share my Germany experience with her) the longest road has an end and the longest pray AMEN. Jack day will come he say he ain't go be like Lequay holding on to power in his 80's we will see. Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 05:53:49 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!

Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off.


I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.


and breezers man... yuh sellin yuhself short.


yuh cyah jes except blatant corruption simply becuase its in our favour...


its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Blue on March 17, 2006, 06:00:57 PM
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.

Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow  ;D
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 06:22:30 PM
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.

Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow  ;D
Because corruption is acceptable in T&T society, if we benifit? Hope you don't critcise the PNM/UNC or any politician... can't condone it in one place and turn a blind on another.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: triniairman on March 17, 2006, 06:37:21 PM
all hail king warner i for one could say thank god he got cleared of all that BULL SHIT
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Blue on March 17, 2006, 06:42:28 PM
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.

Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow ;D
Because corruption is acceptable in T&T society, if we benifit? Hope you don't critcise the PNM/UNC or any politician... can't condone it in one place and turn a blind on another.

I said he was good for football, not for morals.

One ting I think Jack W is good for dat noone else in TnT football is willing to do - he is willing to make bold decisions. And most of the time they work in Trinidad's favour. All of us on this site who bad talk Jack - it is a lot easier to criticise than to come up with a better solution. Personally, I look at dis thread and see 2 pages (so far - I'm sure d thread will grow much longer) of people cussing d man. Why we cant have a similar thread about how to seriously make a positive impact on TnT football instead of trying to fight down one of our own. And yes, he is one of our own. Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: DeSoWa on March 17, 2006, 06:49:31 PM

Quote

I said he was good for football, not for morals.

One ting I think Jack W is good for dat noone else in TnT football is willing to do - he is willing to make bold decisions. And most of the time they work in Trinidad's favour. All of us on this site who bad talk Jack - it is a lot easier to criticise than to come up with a better solution. Personally, I look at dis thread and see 2 pages (so far - I'm sure d thread will grow much longer) of people cussing d man. Why we cant have a similar thread about how to seriously make a positive impact on TnT football instead of trying to fight down one of our own. And yes, he is one of our own. Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?
Quote

Because he is crippling the growth of football in OUR country....dais why

Big Up!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: FF on March 17, 2006, 07:11:46 PM
Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?


O Rly?

Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: breezers on March 17, 2006, 07:13:18 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!

Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off.


I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.


and breezers man... yuh sellin yuhself short.


yuh cyah jes except blatant corruption simply becuase its in our favour...


its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

Jefferz me eh sayin tuh except corruption..cuz we all noe dat Jack runnin he racket and in ah timin dah go geh deal wit..wuh I sayin iz..it iz a fact dat if Jack wasn't in de position he in,Concacaf wouldna geh dah half spot...callin dah shot fuh Concacaf eh ha nuttin tuh do wit corruption..iz all bout using de weight he have.Think bout it besides Jack who in Fifa really care fuh de concacaf region????? So dyez all I sayin de Boss..me eh defendin Jack an me eh wuh peolpe to accept de wrong he doin. Large Up!!!!!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: FF on March 17, 2006, 07:17:40 PM
Jefferz me eh sayin tuh except corruption..cuz we all noe dat Jack runnin he racket and in ah timin dah go geh deal wit..wuh I sayin iz..it iz a fact dat if Jack wasn't in de position he in,Concacaf wouldna geh dah half spot...callin dah shot fuh Concacaf eh ha nuttin tuh do wit corruption..iz all bout using de weight he have.Think bout it besides Jack who in Fifa really care fuh de concacaf region????? So dyez all I sayin de Boss..me eh defendin Jack an me eh wuh peolpe to accept de wrong he doin. Large Up!!!!!


Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?

eh?
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Toppa on March 17, 2006, 07:19:29 PM


I done see real people have dey cussing booked when yuh see TrueTrini come online. All who talking bout dey glad he geh orf. It will be entertaining.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: breezers on March 17, 2006, 07:38:11 PM
Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?

eh?



An noe de man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region and yes anybody else in dah position would do de same..buh dyez de easiest part of de process ( tuh request ah half spot fuh Concacaf)..de hard part is tuh geh de OK from Fifa and dyez way I believe Jack influence work in Concacaf favour. U really think dat any ordinary person could achieve dat so easily?? an doe even mention de States, Mexico and Costa Rica past performances cuz me eh feel dah had ah major impact on de final decision.So fuh de last time ME EH DEFENIN Mr. Austin Jack Warner..dyez jus my opinion. Easy!!!!!!
Title: FIFA LETS OFF JACK
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 08:10:49 PM
FIFA LETS OFF JACK
No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
by Lasana Liburd London (Express)


Saturday, March 18th 2006
 
 FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.

A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"

The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.

Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.

FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.

The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.

But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.

If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.

Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.

The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.

The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.

Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.

The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.

It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.

Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present , Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.

FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.

"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."

Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.

"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.

"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."

A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
 
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trinimassive on March 17, 2006, 08:14:37 PM
Guess FIFA know how to make sure they get "Jackoff"  :devil:

Boo Doo Boom Ping :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 08:23:07 PM
Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?

A lot of people in Concacaf were following this story, his corrupt activities branch out to the other members of Concacaf and he's known to be friends with the heads of most of the various federations.

Guess FIFA know how to make sure they get "Jackoff"  :devil:

Boo Doo Boom Ping :rotfl:
LOL :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 09:40:05 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: StoreBayLimer on March 17, 2006, 09:56:26 PM
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden  :devil:

You could have said that the man's hands are now clean, or as the article suggests the man is no longer involved in the company.  Always interesting to read your subtle posts. You are one of the subtlest posters around.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 11:04:48 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.
I echo your sentiments 100%, I also find it sickening. This is what I feel is wrong with our country, people are just too willing to accept corruption if it benifits them, at all levels of society. I can say with a straight face now, if we won't make another world cup without Jack Warner, I will still want him to go.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: madmonn on March 18, 2006, 01:39:44 AM
The untouchables.......thats what all dem Fifa big wigs are.....face the facts
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Observer on March 18, 2006, 07:29:26 AM
Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?

eh?



An noe de man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region and yes anybody else in dah position would do de same..buh dyez de easiest part of de process ( tuh request ah half spot fuh Concacaf)..de hard part is tuh geh de OK from Fifa and dyez way I believe Jack influence work in Concacaf favour. U really think dat any ordinary person could achieve dat so easily?? an doe even mention de States, Mexico and Costa Rica past performances cuz me eh feel dah had ah major impact on de final decision.So fuh de last time ME EH DEFENIN Mr. Austin Jack Warner..dyez jus my opinion. Easy!!!!!!

Well then you sadly mistaken because someone cannot simply bring a proposal to FIFA to increase allocations to the WC, without the support of performance. The showing of Mexico, USA and Costa Rica was the convincing argument.

As for Jack he is corrupt and has been sucking the blood of T&T football and its footballers for years. Say what you want about he good for T&T Football. Is the same T&T Football put him where he is today. I have said this 1000 times Jack does what he does for T&T Football because it has huge returns for Jack. Much better returns than it has for T&T Football.
the Australian federation announced that the money they earned will be injected in their local league to raise the standard. Where is our $$$ going. Over 30 million for preparation, and the preparation is what 4 games. As old people use to say, dotish people deserve what they get.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: BigToe on March 18, 2006, 09:54:48 AM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's one for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Blue on March 18, 2006, 10:33:13 AM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 01:42:33 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Sam on March 18, 2006, 04:38:48 PM
Jack Warner have more head than Rahwan !!! but in real court that would have never stand up. I taught even if Jack not with Simapuls he is still the owner father and to make matters worst, de people who deal with this case is his employers, pardners in crime and friends ? talk about commess, conflict of interest  and controversie..

When Jack was accused, he was still owner of Simpauls now he change his status and win de case...... only in T&T and now FIFA. Abu Baker get off and hunt we for ages, now Jack take ova..

When Jack said this I was in tears laughing "he went to the Committee to ask for advice and based on the advice they gave him, I acted accordingly"

Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner, de same man with 2 heads.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: jai john on March 18, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
I was wondering ......If jack were to lose his money what would be left ???
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: legal alien on March 18, 2006, 05:33:10 PM
and tuh think i was actually frightened they would actally expell  him......
 he aint even get ah friggin fine...

 thank god, who is really a trini.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 06:58:17 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:00:49 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 07:05:14 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.

 ::) why bother
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:07:52 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.

 ::) why bother

"why bother" well considering you wrote that... hence bothering yourself when you ask why obviously confirms you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 07:12:07 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.

 ::) why bother

"why bother" well considering you wrote that... hence bothering yourself when you ask why obviously confirms you are an idiot.


 :-\
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: TnTVillan on March 18, 2006, 07:12:36 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: dcs on March 18, 2006, 07:14:55 PM

Aye allyuh relax nah...allyuh go fight over JW   :-\
steupse
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:16:30 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.

ey matthew dont make me reviel to all de men on dis board how yuh ah insanely hyper, rich, freindless, idiot... yuh dady does lick jack bottom too awa?


yuh shamefully disgraceful to all de people that put time into stopping people from kickin yuh ass all over de place.

yuh corny idiot.



oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: dcs on March 18, 2006, 07:18:39 PM


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If allyuh want to cuss each other go to:
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Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:21:43 PM


Forum Rules & Guidelines (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?&topic=12325.0)

If allyuh want to cuss each other go to:
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yuh right hardluck dey eh.


ah apologise to anyone offended by my vulagr language... but yuh hadda understand... I feel strongly about this... and letting Jack Warner rob us all for years and refusing to do anything AND then go as far and praising his clearance is almost unforgivably ignorant.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 07:27:21 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.


oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.


what  :o could fight  :rotfl:  taking them self defense classes
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:36:53 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.


oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.


what  :o could fight  :rotfl:  taking them self defense classes


haha stewps... believe me... A.) if yuh trini yuh doh have tuh take defense class  B.) and dat man so uncoordinated and dottish that Maradona at his all-time fatest would knock he out.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: E-man on March 20, 2006, 03:46:17 PM
Welt.de writes the following at the end of their article about Jack's pardon (http://www.welt.de/data/2006/03/20/862575.html) on March 20:

Yet the pressure on the sun king from the Caribbean is building. At home in Trinidad there are reports concerning how Warner has been accumulating his wealth by corrupt means earlier [even before the ticket scandal]. Also stronger controls loom from within CONCACAF.

The Americans, who are members of Warner led CONCACAF, hope that their new US Soccer president, who was elected a few weeks ago, will become actively involved with the commercial might of his country behind him.  The USSF has thus far "simply accepted the corruption that has afflicted CONCACAF and FIFA," complains the LA Times.

It is up to the new US boss, Sunil Gulati (46), an economist from the University of Columbia, to end the practice. The US "must condemn the unethical and unscrupulous people who line their pockets at the expense of the sport," thunders the prestigious paper, "and if that means crossing swords with the likes of Blatter and Warner, so be it."



I'm trying to dig up the LA Times editoral mentioned.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 20, 2006, 04:01:14 PM
fellas allyuh have to stop eatin allyuh self up over dis jw issue.leh me explain something.with all de corruption in de world,backbiting and backstabbin,we need jw.it may not appear to each and everyone of you that he is on our side.but at the end of de day JACK WARNER is ah trini.de man will do anyting to promote de country.some trini like to blow every fukin ting outta proportion.all ah allyuh who arguing bout ticket,half ah fukin allyuh eh goin no fukin wc.de world today is not ah nice place,trust me,we need j fukin w.who doh agree,say wuh.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Pointman on March 20, 2006, 05:50:32 PM
FIFA clears Jack Warner over World Cup tickets.
 
ZURICH, (Reuters) - FIFA said on Friday that no action would be taken against vice-president Jack Warner over a World Cup ticketing controversy.
Warner is special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation. Trinidad have qualified for the World Cup for the first time.
Warner invited FIFA to investigate his relationship with Simpaul Travel Service after the Trinidad and Tobago Express newspaper alleged Trinidad's allocation of tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany would be handled solely by the company.
"There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference.
"It was decided the matter had to be closed."
In February FIFA said its ethics committee concluded that because of his involvement with Simpaul Travel Service in Port-of-Spain, Warner had a conflict of interest over World Cup tickets and "as a result, he has violated FIFA's Code of Ethics".
He could have been expelled from world soccer's ruling body if found guilty by the executive committee.
Warner has been one of president Blatter's closest allies since his appointment to FIFA's executive in 1983.
Trinidad have been drawn with England, Sweden and Paraguay in Group B at the World Cup which begins on June 9.
FIFA lets off Jack Warner.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.
A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"
The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.
Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.
FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.
The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.
But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.
If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.
Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.
The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.
The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.
Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.
The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.
It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.
Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present, Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.
FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.
"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."
Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.
"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.
"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."
A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
Phagwa Jack 'wines' on critics.
BY: Richard Charan (Express).

 
 Back home after being let off by the Executive Committee of FIFA on charges of ethics violations, Jack Warner wined on stage with Phagwa celebrants and then "wined" on his critics, although he said they wanted to kill him politically.
Warner said that before jetting home from Switzerland on Saturday night, he was the one who applied for, and was granted more tickets for sale to Trinidadians wanting to see the Soca Warriors in action in Germany.
Warner was in a celebratory mood last evening at a Phagwa function held at Palmiste Pastures, San Fernando.
Last Friday, FIFA President Joseph Sepp Blatter announced that Warner, a FIFA Vice President, had been cleared of all charges arising out of his family's ownership of Simpaul's Travel Agency. The agency is the sole ticketing agent for the World Cup. FIFA investigated the charges based on an exclusive Express investigation, and after Warner requested an investigation.
Warner, the UNC's Deputy Political Leader, said: "As we all know, the allegations was a political matter. They thought they would discredit me, kill my spirit, my good name and my standing in my country. They figured if they killed me, it would affect the UNC but it didn't work. But don't believe this would be the last time they will try this."
He added: "They will cross me again and I am ready for them. I am happy to be among my people. I feel at home."
Warner said of his family's travel agency: "I have severed ties with the travel service.
I asked FIFA to tell me where is the conflict of interest. They didn't tell me. I went to them, so what is the big hullabaloo?"
Warner, who was doused with abeer and plastered with coloured powder during his stage antics, also promised to tell all about the "level of treachery" involved in in the FIFA ticketing scandal.
About the World Cup tickets, Warner said: "We are getting more tickets.
All those people who wanted four (tickets) and under will get. I made an application and FIFA have accepted it. We will have more tickets than we need."

 ;D WILL THE REAL TEFLON DON PLEASE STAND UP!! ;D
Title: Former SFA chief reopens row over corruption in world football-Jack Warner again
Post by: marcpurcell on October 22, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
The former president of the Scottish Football Association, John McBeth, is set to reignite the controversy over corruption in international soccer tonight.

Interviewed for BBC TV's Panorama, he revisits the allegations he made earlier this year which led to his vice-presidency of Fifa, football's world ruling body, being blocked.

This time he singles out Jack Warner, president of CONCACAF - the regional ruling body covering North and Central America and the Caribbean - whose accusations of racism and bigotry cost Mr McBeth his Fifa post.

He said that when Trinidad and Tobago played Scotland in a friendly in 2004 Mr Warner had asked for the proceeds due to the Trinidad and Tobago FA to be paid directly into his personal account. Mr McBeth refused but claimed he learned later that Mr Warner had gone round several other members of the SFA staff with the same request.

The programme looks at allegations of bribes and kickbacks to Fifa officials, allegations of vote-rigging, business deals and favours for support.

Mr McBeth was due to represent the four home nations on Fifa when he made his bombshell remarks in May.

He was due to step down from his role as SFA president to take over in Zurich from compatriot David Will, with the intention of tackling corruption in the world game.

Asked about ethical standards in international football, he said the four British countries knew what fair play was but some poorer nations were in it for themselves.

"As soon as you hit Africa it's a slightly different kettle of fish. They're poor nations and want to grab what they can. I know two or three whom I'd want to count my fingers after shaking hands with them. I presume the Caribbean is much the same - they just come at it in a different way."

He also said he had won the Fifa vote because other nations hate England. "When you deal with the English it tends to be their game'.

"To put it mildly, they made a mess of it and I wandered through the middle. It's a very funny story." He added: "I'll have to be kinder to the English. I try to keep telling them their notion of themselves is unbelievable. The rest of the world hates their guts."

His remarks provoked an angry response from Mr Warner, who is from Trinidad and Tobago and is one of seven Fifa vice-presidents.

"Why did he only mention African and Caribbean countries? To me, that smacks of racism of the worst kind," he said. "We all feel deeply insulted and we will support any moves to send him back to Scotland where he belongs."

The result was Mr McBeth's place in Fifa was taken - ironically - by Englishman Geoff Thomson, chairman of the FA.

Mr McBeth tells Panorama: "I was talking about the football people that I've met and dealt with in Africa and in the Caribbean, it was football people I was talking about. I wasn't talking about the nation."

Mr Warner could not be contacted for comment yesterday. He faces a disciplinary investigation over allegations he resold 180 World Cup tickets. His family travel agency was given the rights to sell Trinidad and Tobago's entire allocation.

The main thrust of the Panorama report is whether England has a chance of hosting the World Cup in 2018 - possibly their only chance of winning it, as they did in 1966, says the programme.

When England tried seven years ago, the bid failed amid claims of dodgy deals and bribes among Fifa's leaders.

It asks whether Fifa's own ethics committee, chaired by Lord Coe, might be given a role this time in overseeing the bidding process. But the report says its real influence is under question.

It has so far failed to investigate some of the most serious allegations against Fifa.


Title: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: jonny on October 23, 2007, 01:04:00 AM
CONCACAF president denies fee allegations

LONDON (Ticker) -- CONCACAF president Jack Warner asked for the fee for an international friendly to be paid into his personal bank account, the former head of the Scottish Football Association alleged on Monday night.

John McBeth, who retired as Scottish FA president in May, told BBC TV's Panorama program that Jack Warner asked for the fee for Trinidad and Tobago's friendly match in Edinburgh in May 2004 to be paid directly to him.

Warner, a vice president of soccer's world governing body, FIFA, insists the claims are "a patent lie".

"There are one or two people on that (FIFA) executive committee that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them," McBeth said on the program. "Trinidad and Tobago came to play Scotland at Hibernian's ground in Easter Road in Edinburgh. And after the game he asked me to make a check out to his personal account for the game.

"And I said 'We don't do that, it should go to the association'. I then found out later that he'd approached several other staff in my organization ... to do exactly the same thing."

McBeth and Warner have clashed in the past - McBeth was to be the four home nations' British FIFA vice president but was dropped in May after he made comments implying African and Caribbean nations were tainted by corruption and greed.

Warner made an official complaint to FIFA saying the comments "smacked of racism".

"I was talking about the football people that I've met and dealt with in Africa and the Caribbean," McBeth told Panorama. "It was football people I was talking about. I wasn't talking about the nation.

"I'm not a racist bigot and I think it probably says more about Jack and him trying to deflect away the criticism that I was making of corruption."

Warner rejected the allegations. He told PA SportsTicker: "The statement is a patent lie issued by someone whom I got removed from the FIFA executive committee and whose memory has suddenly come to life."

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=txfifawarner&prov=st&type=lgns

Title: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 08, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
I know alot of guys are passionate about this topic, this is niether an attempt to support, defend, promote or even justify Jack Warner and his dealings, its merely a question I have to the forum.

With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

For instance
1) Would you rather get to see England on home soil, and know that Jack making some serious dollars on the side, OR never see England on home soil?

Basically, we all know Jack bad, there is no disputing that, and I wish he was a benevolent person, we would all be better off, but sometimes you got to live with compromise, and see the big picture, or sometimes you just got to say enough is enough and get rid of a tyrant...

So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 08, 2008, 04:49:47 PM
Thanks to Dreamer, here is my opinion (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021)
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: mukumsplau on June 08, 2008, 04:55:10 PM
jack is ah con full stop..if yuh want add ah T
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: davidephraim on June 08, 2008, 05:16:46 PM
jack is ah con full stop..if yuh want add ah T

Give the man a round of applause.....

No real National Patriot or football lover would allow dat small ass flag to be carried onto de field as was done in dat England game. I dont mean comparatively speaking either de shit was just small. Is de SWN BIG FLAG dat save de day where certain media houses are concerned.

Jack my ass.   Jack    ass...       Jack ass...     Jackass....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Cocorite on June 08, 2008, 06:28:40 PM
I didn't even want to open this thread. . .

If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???

We don't negotiate with terrorists, nor devils.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 08, 2008, 06:35:28 PM
O'Connor just answer d man 4 oui. I thought your answer buried d Pro part but I was wrong
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: oconnorg on June 08, 2008, 06:53:19 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean  he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Dr. Rat on June 08, 2008, 06:55:21 PM
Pro..fessional thief
Con..vict in the making

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: davidephraim on June 08, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Soon my children will come of age and just like their first Scotch and coconut water or spliff I will want to be here to see them make their first post. This forum should be nominated for some kind of award. Im not sure which but something dammit.! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: sjahrain on June 08, 2008, 07:16:07 PM
There are no pro`s with Jack.....just con`s

One after the other,only con`s......like a con....vict

 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: D.H.W on June 08, 2008, 07:30:10 PM
jack is an ass full stop, what facking pros alyuh talking about stueps.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 08, 2008, 07:39:42 PM
Dr. Rat post of d yr
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 08, 2008, 07:44:02 PM
BM here...excellent Marcus...excellent topic
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 08, 2008, 08:43:23 PM
no pros since he cont cont cont continuously does things to benefit himself and not the game....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dinho on June 08, 2008, 09:15:16 PM
in a similar vein..

Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility

i am just throwing this out for discussion..

we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.

we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.

But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.

Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?

If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.

Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so?  Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.

Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.

But what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 08, 2008, 09:52:55 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 08, 2008, 10:01:19 PM
in a similar vein..

Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility

i am just throwing this out for discussion..

we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.

we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.

But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.

Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?

If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.
Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so? Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.

Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.

But what do you guys think?

Excelent perspective, Great post. But the FIFA ethos itself with its poor accountability, transparency, governance and monopolistic big contract schemes encourages the emergence of the worst kind of greed and avarice. In a way FIFA made Jack because its structures allowed him to find opportunities to feed the less savoury aspects of his character. And for all the Vampire and Soucouyant talk, I wonder how many of us would succumb to the same temptations FIFA has given Jack.

In fact to refuse all that easy money would be indicative either of a Christ-like character or extreme stupidity. And Jack is neither of those things. Under the current global football regimen only the smaller federations with no/little in money to make are likely to act in an ethical manner.

IMO the only way to get FIFA or its major participating federations to be "above board" is to cut out the prospect of big $$$ profiteering. But that would require a return to community/amateur based football, and that horse done bolt from the gate long time.

take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

The US has a long heritage of stakeholder participation in most aspects of sport and politics and the governance systems in general are stronger. That is my guess as to why we may not hear about corruption there.

BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 08, 2008, 11:01:33 PM
Don't get it wrong..Jack does not control the U.S. or Mexico....as long as they are happy he can do whatever he wants. The U.S. has invested millions and the day they don't qualify for the world cup look for jack to be gone.....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Quags on June 08, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
in a similar vein..

Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility

i am just throwing this out for discussion..

we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.

we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.

But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.

Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?

If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.

Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so?  Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.

Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.

But what do you guys think?

It might have all those shinanigans going on  in all sports ....BUT nothing like what going orn in trini .I prefer to have anyone of the leaders of any other carribbean federation incharge of our football than Jack .Jack all about Jack and his wallet,and he uses and abuses our talent cause he know we ave more coming ,even doh he does nothing to develop it .But he atleast expose how corrupt Fifa is ,to still have him so protected.
 Jack is just a gloried promoter of games ,he does nothing to help develop the game or young players .I surprise he didn t get like Don King and start an agency,for our players .
Actually jack smarter than Don King cause king dumb enough to pay his players , Jack over come this obsticle by draping his company with the flag ,so is an honour really ,it really is the perfect scam ,he really is a pro fessional Con artist.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: andre samuel on June 09, 2008, 06:06:08 AM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Hmmmm, that is an toughy!! lol

Is it brand name clothes, a top class university and plenty nice food?

What are the options?  I only getting bull once every four years? I wouldnt have to eat anyting otherwise?

We should do a anonymous poll..........lol

ah love it!!

ps, good one gilbert!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: spideybuff on June 09, 2008, 06:18:15 AM
Pro's  ????? :o ??? >:(
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on June 09, 2008, 06:25:07 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 09, 2008, 09:07:49 AM
Yez but wit a size of TNT 1 iz 2 much
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: spideybuff on June 09, 2008, 09:28:49 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 09, 2008, 09:33:09 AM
Spidey d man is d top of d mountain it is alleged dat he teach Havelange d ropes
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 09, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Hmmmm, that is an toughy!! lol

Is it brand name clothes, a top class university and plenty nice food?

What are the options? I only getting bull once every four years? I wouldnt have to eat anyting otherwise?

We should do a anonymous poll..........lol

ah love it!!

ps, good one gilbert!!



Ah all men is kicks yes... Andre actually rationalizing! haha
thanks for the replies fellas

It seems the general consensus implied by the majority of replies is that Jack is bad, done deal we know, but many have not tackled the actual question... are we better off with him or without him? and why?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on June 09, 2008, 09:47:34 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

Quote
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 09, 2008, 10:19:37 AM
aye Venerable One, I feel that SpideyBuff was just pointing out how powerful jackula has become in FIFA and I also believe that Sepp is only just barely more powerful than jackula.
dont forget he cut his teeth under Dr. Joo Havelange, the man who made curruption in FIFA a science.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Andre on June 09, 2008, 10:54:11 AM
some people like jack.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=36598.0
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ttcom on June 09, 2008, 12:03:51 PM
Pro: He's Trinidadian.

Cons: Total Jack ASS
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 01:30:05 PM


BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.

US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF.  Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF.  Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement.  I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 01:32:20 PM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

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U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.

You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify.  I don't care to go into it.

Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: pardners on June 09, 2008, 03:51:37 PM
I say we better off without Jack.

I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.

I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present.  Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be.  That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico.  As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?

Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners.  He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him.  The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.

Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time.  By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.

We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended.  The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them.  You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts.  You will always see the best NT on display at all times.

The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to  :'(
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dreamer on June 09, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
Well put together points pardners with a fresh perspective. Dah one register good.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Saywha on June 09, 2008, 05:14:40 PM
I didn't even want to open this thread. . .

If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???

We don't negotiate with terrorists, nor devils.


Marcus, i understand you are trying to ask a legit question and was hoping for unbaised viewpoints, but I really like how Cocorite and O'connorg (even tho quite descriptive) put it because in the end this is what matters.

"If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???"

True because of Jack we were able to experience certain things and if there is no more Jack in Fifa we probably will have to fight very hard to reach another WC. But it is not an impossible task to reach WC with hard work, dedication and real skill on our part without Uncle Jack. 

I rather a fair, uncorrupt person with some bit of integrity any day to help us get to many WCs than a corrupt person taking all that he could get for heself and mamaguying the people of T&T.
Look at dem fellas like Birche (who did not have to represent us) , Sancho and others who were blatantly disregarded just because they were fighting to get THEIR money that THEY rightly deserved.

 Now anybody who thinks Jack is good put yourself in their position and think how you would feel if you were screwed over by someone who did so much good for the country that in de end he only studying to fill he pocket and keep everyone else under him.
If your answer to Cocorite and O'connorg question is "yes", then you may be in de same boat as Jack.

So my viewpoint is - outside with Jack!

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Brownsugar on June 09, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.


Look one man who go answer Oconnorg question in de affirmative.... :devil:

As for de original question....Jack throw yuh frame!!!....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 09, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify.  I don't care to go into it.

Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.


What good has he brought to TnT soccer???? Compare the development of US soccer and TnT soccer since 90 where at the time we had a better national structure...and after you do that tell me how much good has he done for our game...
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 09, 2008, 06:58:28 PM


BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.

US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF. Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement. I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.

The term "operates under the umbrella of CONCACAF" was my intended meaning. Coming from an uninformed T&T perspective I automatically link CONCACAF more strongly to its memeber federations because of Warner's long reach into the affairs of the TTFF and his bullying of the Dominican federation.

Come to think of it has Jack been implicated in shady deals with other feds like Panama or Mexico?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I say we better off without Jack.

I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.

I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present. Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be. That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico. As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?

Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.

Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time. By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.

We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended. The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them. You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts. You will always see the best NT on display at all times.

The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to :'(

Pardners, you make some good points...but even the Devil needs an advocate at times so I'll step up b/c I like how the discussion going.

1. To say that all the other CONCACAF teams are doing well w/o a "Jack" and so we also will do well is beyond speculative. The only CONCACAF teams doing even remotely "well" are Mexico and the US...at least with any basis of consistency. Remove Jack from the local scenario and it is unlikely that we'd come even within spitting distance of matching the type of consistency and success that those two teams enjoy. They've been blessed with resources (manpower and capital) the likes of which have are unseen anywhere else in CONCACAF.

2. To imply that England playing TnT should be no biggie is to lose sight of the fact that England playing anyone else in CONCACAF would be a huge deal. Simply put, CONCACAF outside of the US and Mexico is barely worth global mention. Your argument seems premised on the notion that it should be a given that TnT is up there with Mexico, that is entirely too presumptive a position to seriously merit consideration.

3. Camps has no clout...but outside of Europe, which domestic Federation head enjoys any real kinda clout? Even within Europe not too many Federation heads are known...let alone to the extent as to grant them 'clout'. Even if we had a different administration there's no guarantee we could pull ah team like Italy...I mean, how often they even play friendlies against non-European foes?

4. With or without Jack we'd we guaranteed nothing. To say that we'd be perennial CONCACAF powers (to the point that we always in World Cups)... well I dunno where you'd even start with that. To begin with w/o Jack CONCACAF might still only have one sure spot...let alone 3 1/2- 4 spots we enjoy now. So unless your position is that w/o Jack we'd consistently be ahead of the US and Mexico then your argument is unpursuasive.

5. Where we would agree is that there LIKELY would be greater transparency and more money for youth development etc. You also won't have a dictatorship situation (again, "likely" must be the preface here) where one family controlling local football as you put it...and coaches may have greater autonomy.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 07:19:34 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify. I don't care to go into it.

Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.


What good has he brought to TnT soccer???? Compare the development of US soccer and TnT soccer since 90 where at the time we had a better national structure...and after you do that tell me how much good has he done for our game...

Where was our football before Jack? 

I'm not saying he's 100% responsible for our success to date, but neither is he 100% responsible for our lack of success to date.  From a tangible standpoint he has brought a heightened global awareness to TnT football (most of it in a positive way, some negative), in part from positioning us thru his influence, to host events like the Under-17 World Cup. 

Had it not been for his influence we still would be w/o a World Cup appearance to our names...without a doubt that has raised our global profile, and an England coming to Trinidad to play a game wouldn't be quite as ludicrous as some around the world are making it seem.  In other words, if you think the outcry regarding this trip has been loud...imagine the outcry had England come play a nothing TnT team w/o a WC to it's resume.

Like Pardners, you make the comparison to the US...seemingly positing the notion that us being better than the US is somehow a birthright, stolen from us by Warner.  I'm not sure what your rationale is for such a presumption...if it's just the usual blind jealousy/hatred for US Soccer that frequently rears its head on this board...or if there's something more substantial behind your argument.  The talent pool that the US is drawing from is infinitely larger than ours...and please don't come with the talk that the US is not a footballing nation.  Per capita that may be true compared to many other countries...but in terms of sheer numbers, the interest in the sport in the US renders that argument baseless.

So the US passing us in terms of footballing success is hardly Jack's fault, chances are that there superior resources would have led to them surpassing us regardless.  I would readily concede that had more been put into development of our football that we'd be better than we are currently, but even a 'better' TnT national program does not carry with it any guarantee that we'd be anywhere ahead of either the US or Mexico.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 07:32:30 PM


BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.

US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF. Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement. I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.

The term "operates under the umbrella of CONCACAF" was my intended meaning. Coming from an uninformed T&T perspective I automatically link CONCACAF more strongly to its memeber federations because of Warner's long reach into the affairs of the TTFF and his bullying of the Dominican federation.

Come to think of it has Jack been implicated in shady deals with other feds like Panama or Mexico?

Still not sure that I follow you.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 09, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
Basically I did not realize that the USSF was completely independent of CONCACAF. I thought that Warner would be the puppet master in that federation just as he is in TTFF, just to a lesser extent.

The question I had asked was whether Warner has ever been implicated in bobol in other federations? I recall a discussion on this board about him negotiating TV rights to Mexico/T&T games at exorbitant profit.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
Basically I did not realize that the USSF was completely independent of CONCACAF. I thought that Warner would be the puppet master in that federation just as he is in TTFF, just to a lesser extent.

The question I had asked was whether Warner has ever been implicated in bobol in other federations? I recall a discussion on this board about him negotiating TV rights to Mexico/T&T games at exorbitant profit.

Oho...nah, Bob Gansler is in charge of the USSF and they doh really have much to do with Warner.  All that is done thru Chuck Blazer the US rep to CONCACAF.

Not sure of the answer to the other part of your question though.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 09, 2008, 09:00:21 PM
There is a symbiotic relationship between the USSF and Blazer.....the USSF grew because they got help from Blazer but they are at a point where his replacement would not affect their growth and output. It's a business relationship that although tenuous works well for the most part.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 09, 2008, 10:35:51 PM
Pro..fessional thief
Con..vict in the making





:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotf: :rotfl:

It does take me a very, very long time to open any jackula thread, but this was very well worth it. I cyah stop laughing! This has to be one of the funniest, most original and precise descriptions of dat stinkin' man that I have ever seen or heard!!   
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 09, 2008, 10:45:19 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

The biggest problem with this set-up, oconnorg, is that we as a people know that jack bullin we, yet we steady cockin' up we ass to take de jammin' EVERY TIME. 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: oconnorg on June 09, 2008, 11:31:50 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

The biggest problem with this set-up, oconnorg, is that we as a people know that jack bullin we, yet we steady cockin' up we ass to take de jammin' EVERY TIME.

And we even handing him de greeease to bull we too..

Ah boy eh!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Blue on June 10, 2008, 01:14:10 AM
Pros:

- Negotiated a 4th place playoff against Asia. Otherwise we would never have made World Cup.
- Nuff Trini players got work permits in England d last time England was bidding (for WC 2006).
- England friendly in Trinidad. Would never have happened without Jack.

Cons:

- D usual
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: kentsoulman on June 10, 2008, 04:18:08 AM
I'm trying to put this whole thing in perspective.

If you took 2 policemen in the USA.

The local traders depend on these cops to protect their businesses.

Both are great cops and make loads of arrests, and everyone feels safe.

Cop no 1 stops for breakfast at Dunkin Donuts every day. When he goes to pay, the owner says "this is on me, because you're doing a great job"

Cop no 2 gets a drive thru McDs and stops outside the BMW dealership. He tells the owner that he can take special care of him. He can patrol more regularly. The problem is, that the Ford dealer has just offered him a 50% discount on a new car. So, Mr BMW offers the cop the same deal.

Cop No 1 has lunch at the diner. They always give him a free dessert and coffee.

Cop No 2 doesn't eat lunch. He has a cold beer at the 5* restaurant up the road. Their exclusive clientel get trouble from the local gang hanging around in the evening. Cop No 2 says he knows these kids. He'll put a lot of pressure on them and move them down the road where the other posh restaurant is. But he'll need to give them a financial persuader. So the restaurant owner agrees to give the cop $500 per month "to buy off the gang" Cop2 says, "I'll be passing by with my wife for a meal once a month on the house. I'll collect the money then"

You can continue with this scenario into infinity. The point is this:

Everybody gets a little sweetner now and again. Whether  its in gratitude for a job well done (like a tip) or its an incentive to get good service. Technically its corruption, but in reality people don't mind as long as its deserved and reasonable.

Obviously, Jack has gone the route of the 2nd cop. People get greedy.

Jack has done great things for T&T, the Caribbean and CONCACAF. But he now thinks he can take whatever he wants and he doesn't even need to hide it!

If the whole administration was removed, it would be hard for a while. But I bet that the govt would throw themselves behind the new administration. Sponsors would come on board. There would be more money, because its not being syphoned off.

And, you never know, when world football sees the sacrifices T&T have made to rid the world of Mr Warner, you may even see a few major countries offer a B international as a reward.     
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: andre samuel on June 10, 2008, 05:53:41 AM
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.

Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football.  He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.

Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.

Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it.  Concacaf never even had a semi finalist. 

Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania.  That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.

Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.

Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.

He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification.  Where was the govt?  It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.

He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!

ah love it!!

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on June 10, 2008, 07:09:13 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

Quote
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.

You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.

So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dinho on June 10, 2008, 07:21:48 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

Quote
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.

You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.

So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.

 :rotfl:  you learning fast.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:30:03 AM
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.

Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football. He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.

Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.

Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it. Concacaf never even had a semi finalist.

Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania. That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.

Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.

Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.

He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification. Where was the govt? It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.

He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!

ah love it!!



Andre... the only thing I disagree with is you depositing the responsibility for these things at the doorstep of the government. Look at other FIFA nations, football isn't the responsibility of the respective local governments it is the responsibility of the local federation. So yeah, give Jack credit if yuh want but yuh cyah really say he picking up some slack that the government let go...Jack pick up de slack dat he own TTFF let go.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:34:07 AM
So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.
Lol...nah dred, it simply means that some men (in this case Spidey) have an understated sense of sarcasm that might be lost on many, especially the unfamiliar.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: superoli on June 10, 2008, 07:35:08 AM
I find a lot of people also ignore what copuld have been done for T&T had we had a fair and honest rep at Concacaf.
Imagine if we had a proper youth academy and development program since 1989 ? I know these are what ifs but I think people should recognise Jack does mostly everything for his own pocket and sometmes a little for the nation.

We could have been so much better now as well .....but I guess we will never know
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 10, 2008, 08:33:45 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti  made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will  make WCs without Jacks help.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: trinikev on June 10, 2008, 08:51:20 AM
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.

Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football. He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.

Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.

Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it. Concacaf never even had a semi finalist.

Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania. That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.

Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.

Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.

He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification. Where was the govt? It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.

He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!

ah love it!!



Andre... the only thing I disagree with is you depositing the responsibility for these things at the doorstep of the government. Look at other FIFA nations, football isn't the responsibility of the respective local governments it is the responsibility of the local federation. So yeah, give Jack credit if yuh want but yuh cyah really say he picking up some slack that the government let go...Jack pick up de slack dat he own TTFF let go.

True, also i believe it is against FIFA regulations for there to be gov't influence in the football federation, as it is supposed to be a private entity. The gov't has absolutely no responsibility in this case, it is all on the TTFF.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: superoli on June 10, 2008, 09:12:57 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

thanks people forget how far we went without that tiefing good for nothing.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 10, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.
See Post...................DAT is Post
Good points Zandoh

in fact some argue that
1) Jack and he predecessors may have hindered our chances in 73
2) Jack DEFINITELY HINDERED our chances in 89
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Socafan on June 10, 2008, 10:03:34 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.

EXACTLY.... I think people who saying Jack has been good for our football either mixing up wider CONCACAF matters with local football, or just relatively recently start following the national team and local ball.

I always say, Jack has done CONCACAF the world of good. Before under dem Mexican it was just only all about Mexico. Look at CONCACAF now. Other people in the world actually know what CONCACAF is. I would say he has helped there. He could keep that.

But he need to eff off of Trini football. While CONCACAF has improved, Trini football has NEVER BEEN AS BAD AS IT HAS BEEN UNDER SO MUCH DIRECT INFLUENCE OF JACK WARNER AND TTFF. Some men just eh know the size and kinds of crowds that use to come out to see football. The passion for the North/South Classic. The proleague is a joke compared to past club rivalry. The TTFF has discouraged rather than encouraged, local active participation in football by so many players, fans and coaches it is ridiculous. The lack of professionalism is downright embarrassing.

All who supporting Jack Warner as being good for Trinidad football consider this, The TTFF is to Trinidad what the USSF is to the USA. In the same time frame from 1989 to now(cause ah realize apparently dais when nuff man start following the national team), compare the progress of both federations regarding the sport in their respective countries and see if you still believe Warner is good for TNT ball.

I'll give you a hint, nobody is calling the USSF a "Tinpot outfit"
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 10:13:03 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.

Is it really that hard to follow???


Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots.  Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006.  SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.  Think of it this way...three cars racing down the track, each at 100 mph.  Cars 1 and 2 have a two- car lead on car three.  Unless car three travels faster than the other two cars it's not going to catch, let alone pass the two leaders.  If there are only two prizes (WC berths) then car three will never get a prize unless it finishes ahead of the two leaders.

Another way is to create a third...and even a fourth prize, that way even though car three still finishes behind the other two, it too gets a prize.  Guess who created that third/fourth prize?  Unless you're realistically arguing that Jack held back our development to the point that he prevented us from passing the US/Mexico...we were never going to the World Cup.

Not that hard.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 10:50:39 AM
NOBODY knows what T&T football would have been like without jackula. Some of us are just a little more willing to take whatever shaft jack is willing to give for the sake of some short term enjoyment. As if England coming to T&T is really going to do for T&T football what a few well placed developmental programs could not have done for it already.I really like the kinda logic allyuh football intelectuals does put forth for the sake of arguing. Men will watch jackula treat us and our players like shit, treat so many of our coaches like shit, misappropriate all the funds that T&T football produces, and be happy to go in a nice brand new beat-up stadium to watch Enland lollygag while they on vacation. Talk about progress.

The World Cup Tournament has grown over the years, and If I am not mistaken, at one point it was only a 16-nation tournament that has now expanded to 32. The inevitability of more berths for all of the federations seems apparent to me. T&T is a nation that has produced the likes of Warren Archibald, Earl Carter, Steve Joseph and many, many more men who can hold their own at the international level without the benefit of a proper youth development program in our country. I can only imagine how many more players like them we would have produced and how well we would be competing for that THIRD SPOT (fack a tree point 5)
if we DID have one.  jackula ain't de only one who holding T&T football ransom, but I will gladly gamble with what we could have had going for us without jack.  My ass woulda STILL be in Germany having a good time in '06!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Lower St. John on June 10, 2008, 10:52:23 AM
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.

You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.

Just another way of looking at your argument.

Blessings
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 10, 2008, 10:55:16 AM
NOBODY knows what T&T football would have been like without jackula. Some of us are just a little more willing to take whatever shaft jack is willing to give for the sake of some short term enjoyment. As if England coming to T&T is really going to do for T&T football what a few well placed developmental programs could not have done for it already.I really like the kinda logic allyuh football intelectuals does put forth for the sake of arguing. Men will watch jackula treat us and our players like shit, treat so many of our coaches like shit, misappropriate all the funds that T&T football produces, and be happy to go in a nice brand new beat-up stadium to watch Enland lollygag while they on vacation. Talk about progress.

The World Cup Tournament has grown over the years, and If I am not mistaken, at one point it was only a 16-nation tournament that has now expanded to 32. The inevitability of more berths for all of the federations seems apparent to me. T&T is a nation that has produced the likes of Warren Archibald, Earl Carter, Steve Joseph and many, many more men who can hold their own at the international level without the benefit of a proper youth development program in our country. I can only imagine how many more players like them we would have produced and how well we would be competing for that THIRD SPOT (fack a tree point 5)
if we DID have one. jackula ain't de only one who holding T&T football ransom, but I will gladly gamble with what we could have had going for us without jack. My ass woulda STILL be in Germany having a good time in '06!
Chow
ALL you say there is MIND BOGGLING when one is inclined to digest it with an open mind.
we sure as hell had the TALENT to take us to EVERY WC since 73...........ah lie?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 10, 2008, 11:12:30 AM
Talent 4 sure structure no way
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 11:56:47 AM
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.

You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.

Just another way of looking at your argument.

Blessings

LSJ...nah I considered that, however the assumption is reversed.  Like others before you, you too are arguing a variant of the same position...that without Jack Trinidad's position would have been far advanced beyond where we are now.  Even if I were to concede that point is there any rational basis to conclude that we would be ahead of either the US or Mexico?  Hardly.  Most seem ready to concede that we'd be behind Mexico, but are less gracious in conceding the lead to the US. 

Many seem deceived by the notion that the US Soccer program came out of nowhere when in fact soccer has been in the US for over 160 yrs, dating back to the times of the US Civil War.  The USSF in fact is only five years younger than the TTFF (I believe the TTFF was founded in 1908...with this whole centennial talk), and for all the ole talk without a doubt soccer has enjoyed greater participation (if not popularity) in the US, than it has in TnT...just looking at the numbers of people playing it.  Now the percentage of US soccer fans relative to the entire US population...that percentage might be lower than in TnT, but that doesn't affect how widespread or popular the sport is...this is what most fail to understand when they look at the US as some just come on the soccer stage.  The USSF was one of the earliest member federations in FIFA, and the US has had good showings at the earlier WC finals.

The thing is that they fell off the international football map until 1990, but that game in 1990 did not mark the rebirth of "soccer" in the US.  You have to go back to the 1984 Olympic Games for that...and one man in particular, Alan Rothenberg, former USSF President.  He was in charge of the soccer part of the olympics, and he was shrewd when it comes to marketing sports thru his involvement with the LA Lakers among other teams, and his prior involvement with NASL soccer.  From that base in 1984 he put forth a ten year plan to secure the Olympics in 1994, which they did.  He then used that as a launch pad for a new domestic soccer league, MLS in 1996.  See it wasn't just luck, but mapping out small achieveable goals one building upon the other, to slowly make soccer a major player in the US.  This is what people don't give the Americans credit for.  The interest was there, but you needed a catalyst to design a plan and put it into play.  American soccer was going to develop whether they beat us in 1990 or not because they were well on their way to hosting the 94 Cup by then.

So...even if you take Jack out the TnT picture, how were we to compete with all that?  You could argue that having a more dedicated, smarter, innovative etc. TTFF leadership...but still, none of that would have guaranteed that we have surpassed the US or Mexico by now.  So that still leaves the top two spots accounted for, and w/o Jack there likely would be no third or fourth spot because no third or fourth team has shown the type of consistency (against the top two) or enjoyed the type of results against non-CONCACAF opponents (at the WC for instance) to merit our region getting another spot. 

So as for the speculative argument put forth by Mango Chow that we "inevitably" would have gotten more spots for CONCACAF is laughable.  Even if the WC was expanded, more likely to get those additional spots would be the more competitive Federations such as Europe, Africa, South America and even Asia. All of them (excepting perhaps Asia) deserve another spot ahead of CONCACAF based on the performance of their teams.  All of them developing 10 Drogbas and Edgar Davids for ever Warren Archibald we develop.  If not for Jack's influence we ent smelling ah third spot, let alone a fourth.  Without those two additional spots it would have been near impossible for TnT to qualify ahead of either the US or Mexico.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Blue on June 10, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.

Is it really that hard to follow???


Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made. Think of it this way...three cars racing down the track, each at 100 mph. Cars 1 and 2 have a two- car lead on car three. Unless car three travels faster than the other two cars it's not going to catch, let alone pass the two leaders. If there are only two prizes (WC berths) then car three will never get a prize unless it finishes ahead of the two leaders.

Another way is to create a third...and even a fourth prize, that way even though car three still finishes behind the other two, it too gets a prize. Guess who created that third/fourth prize? Unless you're realistically arguing that Jack held back our development to the point that he prevented us from passing the US/Mexico...we were never going to the World Cup.

Not that hard.

Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.

By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: FF on June 10, 2008, 12:09:22 PM
So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

so anyhowz

BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 12:36:40 PM

Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.

By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D

I could concede that...an argument could be made that we'd perenially be in contention for one of the top three spots without Jack.  Speculation could be made to counter that that Jack had a hand in the expansion from 24 to 32 specifically to benefit CONCACAF....that would be pure speculation though.


So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

Of course he would seek the best interest of the region... but I don't think we should fool ourselves to ignore that Jack pushes the interests of CONCACAF generally... but the interest of TnT football specifically.  Any gains made by a CONCACAF nation under his watch benefits his legacy.  Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other.

so anyhowz

BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?

I do believe we have been better with him at the helm.

I don't believe it's impossible to conclude that, because it's easier to quantify tangible gains under his watch, than it is to measure speculative gains that we could have made/been making under someone else's watch.

It would be wrong to attribute all those "gains" to him...but even if we were to give him credit for just one or two...that is still more concrete than any hypothetical alternate scenario...saying "yeah but, under somebody else who knows what we would have had".  That's precisely the problem, we don't know.  Just as we don't know just how good we'd be if he wasn't so corrupt, petty...etc. etc.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: trinikev on June 10, 2008, 01:02:36 PM

Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.

By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D

I could concede that...an argument could be made that we'd perenially be in contention for one of the top three spots without Jack. Speculation could be made to counter that that Jack had a hand in the expansion from 24 to 32 specifically to benefit CONCACAF....that would be pure speculation though.


So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

Of course he would seek the best interest of the region... but I don't think we should fool ourselves to ignore that Jack pushes the interests of CONCACAF generally... but the interest of TnT football specifically. Any gains made by a CONCACAF nation under his watch benefits his legacy. Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other.




I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.

You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.

Just another way of looking at your argument.

Blessings

LSJ...nah I considered that, however the assumption is reversed. Like others before you, you too are arguing a variant of the same position...that without Jack Trinidad's position would have been far advanced beyond where we are now. Even if I were to concede that point is there any rational basis to conclude that we would be ahead of either the US or Mexico? Hardly. Most seem ready to concede that we'd be behind Mexico, but are less gracious in conceding the lead to the US.

Many seem deceived by the notion that the US Soccer program came out of nowhere when in fact soccer has been in the US for over 160 yrs, dating back to the times of the US Civil War. The USSF in fact is only five years younger than the TTFF (I believe the TTFF was founded in 1908...with this whole centennial talk), and for all the ole talk without a doubt soccer has enjoyed greater participation (if not popularity) in the US, than it has in TnT...just looking at the numbers of people playing it. Now the percentage of US soccer fans relative to the entire US population...that percentage might be lower than in TnT, but that doesn't affect how widespread or popular the sport is...this is what most fail to understand when they look at the US as some just come on the soccer stage. The USSF was one of the earliest member federations in FIFA, and the US has had good showings at the earlier WC finals.

The thing is that they fell off the international football map until 1990, but that game in 1990 did not mark the rebirth of "soccer" in the US. You have to go back to the 1984 Olympic Games for that...and one man in particular, Alan Rothenberg, former USSF President. He was in charge of the soccer part of the olympics, and he was shrewd when it comes to marketing sports thru his involvement with the LA Lakers among other teams, and his prior involvement with NASL soccer. From that base in 1984 he put forth a ten year plan to secure the Olympics in 1994, which they did. He then used that as a launch pad for a new domestic soccer league, MLS in 1996. See it wasn't just luck, but mapping out small achieveable goals one building upon the other, to slowly make soccer a major player in the US. This is what people don't give the Americans credit for. The interest was there, but you needed a catalyst to design a plan and put it into play. American soccer was going to develop whether they beat us in 1990 or not because they were well on their way to hosting the 94 Cup by then.

So...even if you take Jack out the TnT picture, how were we to compete with all that? You could argue that having a more dedicated, smarter, innovative etc. TTFF leadership...but still, none of that would have guaranteed that we have surpassed the US or Mexico by now. So that still leaves the top two spots accounted for, and w/o Jack there likely would be no third or fourth spot because no third or fourth team has shown the type of consistency (against the top two) or enjoyed the type of results against non-CONCACAF opponents (at the WC for instance) to merit our region getting another spot.

So as for the speculative argument put forth by Mango Chow that we "inevitably" would have gotten more spots for CONCACAF is laughable. Even if the WC was expanded, more likely to get those additional spots would be the more competitive Federations such as Europe, Africa, South America and even Asia. All of them (excepting perhaps Asia) deserve another spot ahead of CONCACAF based on the performance of their teams. All of them developing 10 Drogbas and Edgar Davids for ever Warren Archibald we develop. If not for Jack's influence we ent smelling ah third spot, let alone a fourth. Without those two additional spots it would have been near impossible for TnT to qualify ahead of either the US or Mexico.

 Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 10, 2008, 01:15:41 PM
So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

so anyhowz

BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?

It real obvious that the global popularity and financial opportunities of football have grown exponentially, INDEPENDENT of CONCACAF. Seems to me that Warner was exploiting this trend in expanding the spots in our region more than he was actually creating demand from nothing. As such I totally agree that it would be incumbent on ANY person in that position to do exactly as Jack did. His ties to Blatter and personal qualities have no doubt greased his way a little but anyone with a 1/2 clue could see the potential for power and financial rewards in expansion.

After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future?

 I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.

Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:05:24 PM
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??

How is that different from anything I have said?

"Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other."
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:08:09 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter.  Come back when yuh making some sense.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: FF on June 10, 2008, 02:08:58 PM
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??

How is that different from anything I have said?


The way you say it... could be interpreted as pushing TnT's interests first, and benefiting on the side...

Whereas many feel that is Jack interests FIRST and FOREMOST... TnT's interests if and when it suits him...

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future? I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.

Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.



That's a different question, possibly requiring a different thread... or in the least, should be tabled until we've exhausted this discussion, no? Leh we keep de goalpost and dem whey dey is nuh?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??

How is that different from anything I have said?


The way you say it... could be interpreted as pushing TnT's interests first, and benefiting on the side...

Whereas many feel that is Jack interests FIRST and FOREMOST... TnT's interests if and when it suits him...



I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mine to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: FF on June 10, 2008, 02:17:27 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.


I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:18:33 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.


I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....



You certainly could... I just think that's harder (though not necessarily impossible) to prove.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 10, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.
I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....
I most definitely concur FF
his decisions are NOT based on the GOOD of Football and the players
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 02:30:23 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Deeks on June 10, 2008, 02:48:31 PM
This pro/con argument has me  cagitated. Under Jack watch, Concacaf, has benefitted. Give him that. It so happen we were very, very fortunate to get to Germany by the sweat and tenacity of the players. Not Jack. Our journey to Germany was made on the football field. Not Jack. Did we get a invitation or a bye into the WC. No. Our players played by the rules to get there. If Jack did anything under the table, then it is wrong. We don't want that. We can qualify on our own merit. With or without Jack. In 1974,  when it was 16 we were almost got there, but bad decisions by the ref denied us.

 
If all you implying we can't go the the future WCs if Jack not there, then all saying that the only way for us to go to WC is for Jack to cheat so we can get in. All you think he paid the referees to get in this last Wc. IF so, then I can't support our team if that happened. That is wrong.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: pardners on June 10, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
I say we better off without Jack.

I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.

I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present. Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be. That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico. As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?

Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.

Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time. By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.

We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended. The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them. You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts. You will always see the best NT on display at all times.

The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to :'(

Pardners, you make some good points...but even the Devil needs an advocate at times so I'll step up b/c I like how the discussion going.

1. To say that all the other CONCACAF teams are doing well w/o a "Jack" and so we also will do well is beyond speculative. The only CONCACAF teams doing even remotely "well" are Mexico and the US...at least with any basis of consistency. Remove Jack from the local scenario and it is unlikely that we'd come even within spitting distance of matching the type of consistency and success that those two teams enjoy. They've been blessed with resources (manpower and capital) the likes of which have are unseen anywhere else in CONCACAF.

2. To imply that England playing TnT should be no biggie is to lose sight of the fact that England playing anyone else in CONCACAF would be a huge deal. Simply put, CONCACAF outside of the US and Mexico is barely worth global mention. Your argument seems premised on the notion that it should be a given that TnT is up there with Mexico, that is entirely too presumptive a position to seriously merit consideration.

3. Camps has no clout...but outside of Europe, which domestic Federation head enjoys any real kinda clout? Even within Europe not too many Federation heads are known...let alone to the extent as to grant them 'clout'. Even if we had a different administration there's no guarantee we could pull ah team like Italy...I mean, how often they even play friendlies against non-European foes?

4. With or without Jack we'd we guaranteed nothing. To say that we'd be perennial CONCACAF powers (to the point that we always in World Cups)... well I dunno where you'd even start with that. To begin with w/o Jack CONCACAF might still only have one sure spot...let alone 3 1/2- 4 spots we enjoy now. So unless your position is that w/o Jack we'd consistently be ahead of the US and Mexico then your argument is unpursuasive.

5. Where we would agree is that there LIKELY would be greater transparency and more money for youth development etc. You also won't have a dictatorship situation (again, "likely" must be the preface here) where one family controlling local football as you put it...and coaches may have greater autonomy.

Bakes, I like how yuh take mih points apart...
Doh ever do that again eh....ah know where yuh living eh fella  ;D

Anyway on a more serious note, yes there was a lot of speculation on my part, but when yuh consider where our football was before Jack, all things being consider one would argue that we were perhaps better off.  We used to actually beat USA and Mexico.  Another thing is that my point wasn't just that we could do without Jack or his influence, but more so that if there was someone else in the position, who was not as corrupt...MAYBE...our football might actually prosper.  Who is to say someone else would not have been able to get 4 spots for CONCACAF in the normal course of their responsibilities ?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 10, 2008, 03:22:53 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.


lets us try not to de-evolve into throwing stones, like so many other threads, the debate going good, I think bake n shark make some good points from a logical stand point and I also see that there have been many good counter points... no need for who is a footballer and who is not, I tend not to judge a book by its cover. But also even the being a best footballer doesn't mean you are good at management and development and vice versa. I like the input
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 10, 2008, 04:29:31 PM
After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future? I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.

Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.



That's a different question, possibly requiring a different thread... or in the least, should be tabled until we've exhausted this discussion, no? Leh we keep de goalpost and dem whey dey is nuh?


The goalposts dem are exactly where Marcus had them. Here are his questions....

"(1) With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

(2) So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning. "

The questions are asked in the future continous and thus was the answer given. But the questions themselves ask about how an unspecified "other" will perform, and of course it is impossible to surmise, given that no information is available about this person or future events that will impact events.

The question is simply rephrased to include a known quantity, i.e. Jack's track record. The question still remains essentially: Will Jack's continuation as head of CONCACAF provide more benefit for T&T than a foreigner. My language and logic is perhaps not always precise enough, I'm working on it  :)


But I think this is essentially the quintessential question Marcus raised. Marcus could tell us if my comments were off base or not.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 04:50:04 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.


lets us try not to de-evolve into throwing stones, like so many other threads, the debate going good, I think bake n shark make some good points from a logical stand point and I also see that there have been many good counter points... no need for who is a footballer and who is not, I tend not to judge a book by its cover. But also even the being a best footballer doesn't mean you are good at management and development and vice versa. I like the input

  It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade. It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.

  jack warner has never sought to develop football in T&T, not for the purpose of seeing us develop as a nation. jack feeds us. he has fed us with stadia, tournaments and trinkets while doing everything in his power to stifle our ability to grow. "to fish," so to speak. We still ain't teaching our footballing children how to pass, trap and shoot properly in no acadamy. How we expect them to do it, when they get big, against England?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:06:12 PM

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.

Yuh right breds yuh brand mih a non-footballer and ah should know mih place, I need to show more deference tuh allyuh professional sweat-ballers in future.  I mean...who de hell I think I is putting up mere intellectual debate against your years of small-goal expertise?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:17:36 PM
Bakes, I like how yuh take mih points apart...
Doh ever do that again eh....ah know where yuh living eh fella ;D

Anyway on a more serious note, yes there was a lot of speculation on my part, but when yuh consider where our football was before Jack, all things being consider one would argue that we were perhaps better off. We used to actually beat USA and Mexico. Another thing is that my point wasn't just that we could do without Jack or his influence, but more so that if there was someone else in the position, who was not as corrupt...MAYBE...our football might actually prosper. Who is to say someone else would not have been able to get 4 spots for CONCACAF in the normal course of their responsibilities ?

yeah man pardners..ah just like tuh try and do things in ah analytical way...doh buss mih head  ;D

We probably were better off before him, and probably would be better off w/o him, who knows?  I just don't think that saying "we used to regularly beat Mexico and the US" really means much.  Uruguay used to regularly beat everybody...who dey beating now?

Maybe someone else would have been better than Jack...but no questioning where we are with Jack...good and bad.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:20:58 PM
The goalposts dem are exactly where Marcus had them. Here are his questions....

"(1) With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

(2) So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning. "

The questions are asked in the future continous and thus was the answer given. But the questions themselves ask about how an unspecified "other" will perform, and of course it is impossible to surmise, given that no information is available about this person or future events that will impact events.

The question is simply rephrased to include a known quantity, i.e. Jack's track record. The question still remains essentially: Will Jack's continuation as head of CONCACAF provide more benefit for T&T than a foreigner. My language and logic is perhaps not always precise enough, I'm working on it :)


But I think this is essentially the quintessential question Marcus raised. Marcus could tell us if my comments were off base or not.


Yeah you right, he asked more than one question... I stand corrected  :beermug:


I still overhere kicking at de "has Jack been good or bad fuh we" goal doh.  My bad.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:30:21 PM
It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade.

Yuh right...logic has no place in an argument.  Too bad we can't just log on and kick ah ball in silence, ent?

It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.

I did ???  Where? 

Only coach I ever coach is ah bunch ah 8-year old American chirren who couldn't tell yuh dey left foot from dey right hand.  Me eh no football player (you done establish dat), me eh no coach and I ent no lawyer.  In fact, my post and dem have too much logic in it fuh you so doh even bother hut up yuh head wid all ah dat, juss go hit ah man two spanner and call dat George.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: R45 on June 10, 2008, 10:41:40 PM
This might be the biggest pile of horse ship i read on this forum for the longest while. Allyuh wasting your time arguing about something entirely speculative and that none of us have any sort of control of. How many f'in jack warner topics must we have on this forum, it aint changing one damn ting.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 08:30:55 AM

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.

Yuh right breds yuh brand mih a non-footballer and ah should know mih place, I need to show more deference tuh allyuh professional sweat-ballers in future. I mean...who de hell I think I is putting up mere intellectual debate against your years of small-goal expertise?


 :yawning:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 08:31:45 AM
It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade.

Yuh right...logic has no place in an argument. Too bad we can't just log on and kick ah ball in silence, ent?

It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.

I did ??? Where?

Only coach I ever coach is ah bunch ah 8-year old American chirren who couldn't tell yuh dey left foot from dey right hand. Me eh no football player (you done establish dat), me eh no coach and I ent no lawyer. In fact, my post and dem have too much logic in it fuh you so doh even bother hut up yuh head wid all ah dat, juss go hit ah man two spanner and call dat George.
:yawning:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: JDB on June 11, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dinho on June 11, 2008, 09:27:49 AM
:applause::applause::applause::applause:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: superoli on June 11, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
I think that joke I posted is very applicable to this subject and by the way that post above by JDB is a boss post !

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=36066.0
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 11, 2008, 09:40:17 AM
Brilliant Post there JDB

I just want to quote a small part to Drive your point home

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: takenoprisoners on June 11, 2008, 10:01:22 AM
Thanks JDB, good post. :beermug:
We have only ourselves to blame for the stranglehold Jack has on our football. We cannot even get "supporters" to wear black because, "it too hot". : :(
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2008, 10:39:54 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.


Good post...there were some minor points that I was tempted to respond to but nothing in the long run worthy of argument.

Some made one or two similar points earlier but didn't support them as well. As I said before youth development has suffered, and definitely with more investment in youth programs our senior programs would be in better shape and we likely would have a larger pool of foreign-based professionals. Also as stated much earlier, I'm sure we are all in agreement that Jack has benefited much more than TnT football has from this relationship.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 11:17:15 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either don`t know or don`t care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jack`s "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jack`s TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90`s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jack`s control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they haven`t been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70`s, 80`s and early 90`s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jack`s Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in `06 and `10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Gov`t to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in ``accomplishments`` that are the result of Jack`s strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnT`s best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnT`s dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.


JDB, ah didn't know yuh had it "in yuh." Like yuh drink a guiness dis mawnin. :beermug:

Thanks for putting the obvious in "logical" form so that those of us blinded by their own logic and blind to the reality and truth could understand. Really goes to show how some men does jess want to argue tings because they like te sound of their own fingertips on a keyboard.


I really, really like your line about jack owing T&T football "....more than he could ever repay."  No truer words have ever been spoken.

 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 11, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.





Excellent points JDB... another angle to consider....

As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

But with that said;
Its takes a massive amount of resources to truly develop a successful and sustainable program, (eg. MLS currently runs a loss of 350mm USD since being formed) being from a small caribbean nation where do these financial resources come from? Jack is definitely to blame for some of it, but arguably the money he has filtered out of the system probably wont even begin to scratch the surface of the totality of funds needed.

So are we the Fans just as much to blame for not supporting our local football in the various ways? Are we "general public" just as much to blame? What about corporate sponsors, its their civic and corporate responsibilty to give back to the communtiy in varying ways, is this being done on an agreeable level? Or are we ust to small of a nation with a lack of resource to get things done properly, is this our footballing fate?

I think in order to succeed for a country of our size, in anything we do, we need a collabortive effort from Govt, Corp, TTFA and the Public. But from a footballing perspective, is it Jack and his shrewd ways that has alienated these factions, from getting involved. I would say that each of these entities has failed TnT football in varying ways over the years? 

Including myself. I am to Blame!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 11, 2008, 11:26:57 AM
How d other sports develop dey have much less resources we reach a hockey WC if 5000 peeps does go hockey dey go b happy
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Lower St. John on June 11, 2008, 11:29:53 AM
As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

Actually it is all countries. Men must understand that FIFA dictates this separation. If a government truly intervenes in the running of football (demanding transparencsy and going further to probe the dealings of the federation), the result would be the country being banned from International football. This is one of the known mechanisms for why Jack and his cronies have been allowed to exist for so long and with the change in constitution from the old TTFA where they could have been voted out by the local clubs, they are untouchable.

The only argument to keep focusing on is the lack of development (Youth - Senior level) of football under the direction of Jack Warner. Please folks stopping pointing to tournaments hosted. This is not a pre-requisite for development. How many Concacaf tournaments has the US or Mexico hosted? Note how and who makes money when a tournament is hosted (catering, hotels, travel arrangement) and you will better understand or appreciate how Jack has benifited.

Hey, the darkest cloud has a silver lining.

Blessing
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 11:41:18 AM
As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

Actually it is all countries. Men must understand that FIFA dictates this separation. If a government truly intervenes in the running of football (demanding transparencsy and going further to probe the dealings of the federation), the result would be the country being banned from International football. This is one of the known mechanisms for why Jack and his cronies have been allowed to exist for so long and with the change in constitution from the old TTFA where they could have been voted out by the local clubs, they are untouchable.

The only argument to keep focusing on is the lack of development (Youth - Senior level) of football under the direction of Jack Warner. Please folks stopping pointing to tournaments hosted. This is not a pre-requisite for development. How many Concacaf tournaments has the US or Mexico hosted? Note how and who makes money when a tournament is hosted (catering, hotels, travel arrangement) and you will better understand or appreciate how Jack has benifited.

Hey, the darkest cloud has a silver lining.

Blessing

 Not to mention (I heard) the U-17 WC of '01 is the only FIFA tournament of its kind to have reported a loss. I am not surprised. jack ALWAYS claiming every  venture to be a loss.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 11, 2008, 11:47:03 AM
Profit not in he dictionary is only loss
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: pardners on June 11, 2008, 12:40:21 PM
JDB, yuh is a boss.  I think I will store that post to send to the editor when the time is most appropriate.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2008, 12:44:15 PM
Truetrini get kidnap or what... how come he ent reach yet to add he piece?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 01:05:30 PM
Profit not in he dictionary is only loss


    You will NEVER find the word "profit" in jackula dictionary book.  Only in he bank book.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Deeks on June 11, 2008, 06:10:03 PM
JDB,
           Good post. I know I could not have presented it any better. I am certainly bitter about the situation with this game. I hope Hunt stand firm and dont turn to Jello.  Good luck to the Warriors.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Dutty on June 11, 2008, 06:11:45 PM
JDB, yuh is a boss.  I think I will store that post to send to the editor when the time is most appropriate.

ent? dat should be required reading for everybody who boo hunt
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dreamer on June 11, 2008, 06:17:05 PM
JDB ..... big up!
SW.net on fyahh
Title: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Sam on September 02, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
By: Andre Jennings (transparencyinsport.org).


FIFA president Sepp Blatter claims he fights racism but looks the other way when Jack Warner screams racist insults at a political meeting in Trinidad. Watch the shocking video. (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Racist_Jack_Warner/kick_racism_out_of_football.html)

And we reveal Warner still refuses to pay millions of pounds owing to the 2006 Soca Warriors World Cup team. [More] (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Thirty_Years_of_TV_Investigations/The_Beautiful_Bung/the_beautiful_bung(page2).html)

FIFA veep Jack Warner howls racism at the moon

FIFA bans racism but its OK with Sepp Blatter when his loyal vote-deliverer Jack Warner shouts racist abuse. Weve captured him on video.
 
Warner knows that hell get away with it. FIFAs spineless Ethics Committee wouldnt dare touch him.
 
And we can reveal that three years after the 2006 World Cup, Jack Warner still refuses to pay Trinidads Soca Warriors their share of the teams earnings.
Warner has pocketed at least 3 million and has no intention of paying them.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Trinidogg on September 02, 2009, 05:21:41 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Big Magician on September 02, 2009, 05:34:26 PM
REVOLUTION
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Trinidogg on September 02, 2009, 05:41:20 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2009, 05:43:12 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?

Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Trinidogg on September 02, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?

Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Nah just didn't book it the first time i taught u was UNC # 1 supporter for a sec dey my bad... but either way we all know Warner is a theive if he eh got none to hide why he just don't answer the fella question bout Trini players money
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2009, 05:48:19 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?

Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Nah just didn't book it the first time i taught u was UNC # 1 suppoter for a sec dey my bad... but either way we all know Warner is a theive if he eh got none to hide why he just don't answer the fella question bout Trini players money

UNC supporter  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Babalawo on September 02, 2009, 06:51:37 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: WestCoast on September 02, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
FIFA FIFA FIFA ::)

after watching all those videos I have to suggest that Warner, does in fact, post on here
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: King Deese on September 02, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
shaka for president of ttff, dwight for vice president/technical director.

viva la revoluccion.........................
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Big Magician on September 03, 2009, 12:27:51 AM
king deese

we have to talk
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: just cool on September 03, 2009, 12:46:55 AM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 04:55:52 AM
No surprise that insecure PNM apologists would see this as some sort of racist attack on a white foreigner
Trust on a bit of journalistic sensationalism to brand this as JW screaming racist insults ... I watched it a few times, and still can't find the racist attack - unless everyone's seeing a Robert Mugabe speech instead.

It's interesting to look at who our leaders form their allegiances with to hold on to power:
Jack Warner chose a white corporate dictator, Sepp Blatter to solidfy his position and alliance.
Patrick Manning chose a black Muslim terrorist, Yasin Abu Bakr to politically intimidate voters and win elections.

These days the most disparaging accusation you can make against someone is calling them a racist. It's pretty much the ultimate response to playing the race card. But then again, you see much more mischievous, intentionally racist and incitful statements being made on this forum - in many cases against Indians in TT. But that's ok, they're probably not coming from a white person, so those statements can never be justified as being racist. Gosh, don't even get started on white people, and all the perceived wrongs they've done to foreign nationals abroad.

... and while it's alarming at the shocking accusations of corruption that JW cannot deny, let alone his conviction and petty fine over WC 06 tickets - there is so much more blatant corruption under the present PNM administration, with their supporters turning a blind eye, and at even more ridiculous levels that UNC and their cohorts couldn't even fathom that makes you wonder if UNC should have thief more than they did.

4 helicopters at $2 Billion to fight crime
1 blimp at God alone knows what the real price was to fight crime

I can't wait until we're the first country to commission a spaceship to fight crime - a hundred billion more.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 05:12:29 AM
No surprise that insecure PNM apologists would see this as some sort of racist attack on a white foreigner
Trust on a bit of journalistic sensationalism to brand this as JW screaming racist insults ... I watched it a few times, and still can't find the racist attack - unless everyone's seeing a Robert Mugabe speech instead.

It's interesting to look at who our leaders form their allegiances with to hold on to power:
Jack Warner chose a white corporate dictator, Sepp Blatter to solidfy his position and alliance.
Patrick Manning chose a black Muslim terrorist, Yasin Abu Bakr to politically intimidate voters and win elections.

These days the most disparaging accusation you can make against someone is calling them a racist. It's pretty much the ultimate response to playing the race card. But then again, you see much more mischievous, intentionally racist and incitful statements being made on this forum - in many cases against Indians in TT. But that's ok, they're probably not coming from a white person, so those statements can never be justified as being racist. Gosh, don't even get started on white people, and all the perceived wrongs they've done to foreign nationals abroad.

... and while it's alarming at the shocking accusations of corruption that JW cannot deny, let alone his conviction and petty fine over WC 06 tickets - there is so much more blatant corruption under the present PNM administration, with their supporters turning a blind eye, and at even more ridiculous levels that UNC and their cohorts couldn't even fathom that makes you wonder if UNC should have thief more than they did.

4 helicopters at $2 Billion to fight crime
1 blimp at God alone knows what the real price was to fight crime

I can't wait until we're the first country to commission a spaceship to fight crime - a hundred billion more.

it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 05:16:11 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 05:40:30 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 05:43:17 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas

no lie :beermug: :beermug:

most profound thing I've heard this morning, right next to "Good Manning to you and have a pan day."  :D
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Socapro on September 03, 2009, 05:44:14 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas

Thank you, we need ah dougla leader!  ;)  :mackdaddy:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 05:52:47 AM
lol at both of u :beermug:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Daft Trini on September 03, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas

Thank you, we need ah dougla leader!  ;)  :mackdaddy:

Ah ready.... whey fish? whey yuh???  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Touches on September 03, 2009, 07:02:31 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 03, 2009, 07:07:29 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

How is only JW who get on like a clown in d documentary everybody Jennings talk to simply walked away or ignore d man. As 4 love of fellow citizen how bout citizen Jack luvin we? He can strt by leavin we football and take he croonies wit him.



Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: WestCoast on September 03, 2009, 07:09:42 AM
wheys Touches
WHEYS

The man is a FIFA VP and that is how he is getting on.............orrite den
AND to treat footballers the way he has.....nah nah nah

pressure for warner
is only moto cyar tyre and WASA pipe does handle more pressure
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Bourbon on September 03, 2009, 07:24:01 AM
If Jennings was on baseless accusations....maybe. De ting is.....most people have at least the perception of Jack being corrupt. Some may try to swing it..justify it....engage in rhetoric to befuddle the fact.....but Jack record eh squeaky clean. Look at Berlusconi.....de media in a storm over him.

Yuh know...dis reminding me of some rhetoric some tstt employees was trying to pull...when digicel entered. Dey saying oh trinis eh have no support for dey own tingtingting. While that might be true...de reason behind people's anticipation of digicel was because they were fed up of de wickedness tstt was doing. If tstt was treating people good.....digicel woulda come...and people woulda be more likely to say..."Digicel...hol allyuh tail...tstt does treat we good..and is we own." Buh nah..dey didnt....and dahs de results.


If Jack wasnt as self serving and vindictive and as bad mind as he was..Jennings mighta get run. Even if it had elements of corruption...people mighta still be likely to turn a blind eye to if the TTFF and de football was going how it supposed to. But when yuh seeing piss poor organisation....and blatant self servingness....people will see things like that as you collecting yuh due deserts. De sad fact is...many facets of local media doh even seem to have a clue. Sasha Mohammed a few weeks ago had an interview with Jennings..and she sounding like she incredulous when he talking bout the blacklist etc. Lasana talk bout de ticket scandal...big noise get kick up....buh dahs jus isolated incidents. So wha yuh expect?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 07:25:33 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

reporters in sweet democratic T&T aren't even allowed to ask probing questions to our hallowed Prime Minister without feeling his wrath or constant threats of censorship. A Newsday reporter (Indian too) lost his job for asking the right question at the wrong time.

.... well imagine if a white foreign reporter ask him questions. Is then he might pull off the mask and we might see Mugabe underneath.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 07:27:34 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 07:31:26 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he

sigh ... you realise that by not calling Jack name in that post, you make a generalisation that just implicate every government and opposition minister?

Karen Nunez-Teshira fit that bill well
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: davidephraim on September 03, 2009, 07:32:51 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

reporters in sweet democratic T&T aren't even allowed to ask probing questions to our hallowed Prime Minister without feeling his wrath or constant threats of censorship. A Newsday reporter (Indian too) lost his job for asking the right question at the wrong time.

.... well imagine if a white foreign reporter ask him questions. Is then he might pull off the mask and we might see Mugabe underneath.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Is almost Cuba we in in terms of being able to "talk about" The Authorities.
As a matter of fact... ah gone!
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 07:37:40 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he

sigh ... you realise that by not calling Jack name in that post, you make a generalisation that just implicate every government and opposition minister?Karen Nunez-Teshira fit that bill well

should I quote my self above............. let me be plain den d entire system rotten
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: elan on September 03, 2009, 07:59:02 AM
I use to watch some of alyuh as intelligent and educated,  but I guess I was the stupid one. Can't believe some of the rationalization that popping up here.

It's not about what others do, it's about what I do.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: frico on September 03, 2009, 08:37:25 AM
There is a small suspicion that the visit by a Daily Mail reporter was set up by somebody,why would anybody waste time to come to TT to check out the illegal sales of WC tickets.There are several other wrong doings in TT for outside sources to investigate...who calling dem to come an check...nobody.
 Jack said something that many people of colour would say,no problem wid dat,when people suffer certain experiences then allyuh would know why people re-act in certain way.Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite. 8)
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 08:39:49 AM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 03, 2009, 08:46:23 AM
There is a small suspicion that the visit by a Daily Mail reporter was set up by somebody,why would anybody waste time to come to TT to check out the illegal sales of WC tickets.There are several other wrong doings in TT for outside sources to investigate...who calling dem to come an check...nobody.
 Jack said something that many people of colour would say,no problem wid dat,when people suffer certain experiences then allyuh would know why people re-act in certain way.Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite. 8)

Yuh basket would hold water if Jennings was targetin JW alone. D man exposin d crooks in FIFA and d MP 4 Chag West is 1st/2nd/3rd on dat list
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Daft Trini on September 03, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
All yuh realize that Jack does get money from Joe Public, Pro League, TTFF, UNC, Chag and Fifa...?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: frico on September 03, 2009, 09:44:38 AM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Believe what you want  but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: triniairman on September 03, 2009, 10:35:05 AM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
check this one... go F@ck yuh self  :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: elan on September 03, 2009, 10:42:05 AM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Believe what you want  but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???

Once ah Trini move to another country they mind go from 1 track to what? 2 tracks? Railroad sytem?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 12:45:08 PM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Believe what you want  but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???

oh ladddddd ... ah get cuss out for being sarcastic.

nuttin wrong wid being UNC, juss like it eh have nuttin wrong with being PNM or COP.
Yuh hadda vote fuh one ah dem - what else yuh go do?  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 12:52:02 PM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
check this one... go F@ck yuh self  :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related

the beep block it out. I couldn't hear anything ... and I watch nuff Southpark not to try to ever fill in the blanks.
If you don't know what I talking about - youtube the Southpark clip about "people who annoy you"
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: supporter on September 03, 2009, 04:14:54 PM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

If he wasnt a crook he would protect him
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: just cool on September 03, 2009, 07:18:01 PM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
check this one... go F@ck yuh self  :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
Yeh ah saw that one as well. that man is ah low life! it was very shameful to see our one of our most prominant figurs carry on like ah canal rat on global TV. did you see this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1vMstWlceA&feature=related
Title: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:15:23 AM
Jack having press conference 12 noon at Crown Plaza. Things that make u go  ???. Once I know all yuh go know.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Jumbie on September 08, 2009, 09:23:25 AM
Nakid to join the team  :angel:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:24:48 AM
Nakid to join the team  :angel:

Latas 2 b replaced? Who knows wit these jokers.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Daft Trini on September 08, 2009, 09:25:56 AM
He has a better rip off budget proposal than PNM  :devil:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Themanfriday on September 08, 2009, 09:30:07 AM
He retiring
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: davidephraim on September 08, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
He retiring
In our dreams. ;D
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Daft Trini on September 08, 2009, 09:38:17 AM
He retiring
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I can see the baby keepin yuh up...  ;D you have a bit of delirium  ;)

Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: davyjenny1 on September 08, 2009, 09:41:17 AM
Jack having press conference 12 noon at Crown Plaza. Things that make u go  ???. Once I know all yuh go know.

This man making the federation look like a real circus time and time again boi... we have so much potential in this great land of ours with the wrong person at the head.

What next to expect!!
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:42:29 AM
He retiring
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I can see the baby keepin yuh up...  ;D you have a bit of delirium  ;)



 :rotfl: good ting
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 08, 2009, 09:44:26 AM
He retiring


  STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!!  :frustrated:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:46:02 AM
He retiring


  STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!!  :frustrated:

Your emotins easy 2 play wit because u eh know is a relay he handin d baton 2 Daryan 2 focus on d caravan 4 change
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: King Deese on September 08, 2009, 09:48:25 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:50:37 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 08, 2009, 10:00:19 AM
He retiring


  STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!!  :frustrated:

Your emotins easy 2 play wit because u eh know is a relay he handin d baton 2 Daryan 2 focus on d caravan 4 change


  Doh worry....I know!  :-[
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: pardners on September 08, 2009, 10:02:22 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

Somebody say....Bleeder ?
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 08, 2009, 10:02:39 AM
wha station
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: PATRIOT on September 08, 2009, 10:47:53 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: E-man on September 08, 2009, 10:51:30 AM
Wasn't this announced already. Isn't this about the Women's U-17 WC?
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Observer on September 08, 2009, 11:01:19 AM
Yes I believe its concerning Women football.

Jack retires pulls himself from T&T football every two years in a 4 year cycle, where there is limited money and jumps back in two years before WCQ qualification.

Check the pattern good.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Daft Trini on September 08, 2009, 11:05:29 AM
Yes I believe its concerning Women football.

Jack retires pulls himself from T&T football every two years in a 4 year cycle, where there is limited money and jumps back in two years before WCQ qualification.

Check the pattern good.


That's the beauty of being a Special Advisor... and apparently he is the only one who seems to want to advise us  :beermug:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: capodetutticapi on September 08, 2009, 11:07:40 AM
he had an operation to fix he thight thongue. ;D
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: kiffysmooth on September 08, 2009, 11:27:10 AM
Press conference done!

Evans Wise back on de team
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: vb on September 08, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
Press conference done!

Evans Wise back on de team

put a smiley face on dat nah.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 12:15:24 PM
wha station

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
Press conference done!

Evans Wise back on de team

Should u not have more important ting doin just about now.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: injunchile on September 08, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
Shaka in Goal- Sancho in the back line- Stern upfront. Nakhid to replace Yorke and Bennie back in the saddle.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Tallman on September 08, 2009, 08:57:35 PM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence

Yeh, Lawrence get it.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 09, 2009, 12:03:31 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence

Yeh, Lawrence get it.

Wit 3 games 2 play b4 he retire. Gr8 succession planning
Title: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Flex on October 15, 2009, 11:04:03 AM
Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/540jackwarner.jpg)

Lasana Liburd (www.tnttimes.com) looks in on the latest Caribbean nation to run afoul of FIFA in the past six years and searches for a common thread.

It is not easy to create a visual impression of John P. Collins, he's the United States attorney who sits on FIFAs Legal Committee. There is no photograph, birth date or personal information on the FIFA website, the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF), or the Chicago-based law firm Collins and Collins that employs himalong with Harold E. Collins and Michael R. Collins.

For Caribbean nations that dare to go against the established football body in their respective islands, though, Collins might as well be draped in a black hood and tote a sickle.

It took just four visits from Collins before the executive committee of the Grenada Football Associations (GFA) folded on October 1. From the first mention of a FIFA fact finding mission in Grenada, headed by the American, deposed GFA president Ashley Ram Folkes knew he was in trouble.

Collins relationship with FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special advisor Jack Warner and the latters loyalty to embattled GFA general secretary Victor Danielwho was suspended by the since expelled GFA executive committee for financial irregularity last yearis at the heart of the perceived injustice  (http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/article.php?news_id=19152) that has seen Folkes, a former Grenada football captain and coach before his rise to the post of president, booted out of administration.

The stories are similar in Jamaica, Antigua, Barbados, Dominica and St Kitts.

When Jamaican clubs, unhappy with the financial management of JFA president Captain Horace Burrell, prepared to flex their electoral muscles in 2003, FIFA sent Collins to monitor the elections. Burrell and Warner are close friends.

The challenger, Crenston Boxhill, prevailed but his term was punctuated with threats and fines from FIFA and, four years later, he did not seek re-election. Burrell, who remained a CONCACAF member during his exile, returned unopposed.

In explaining why he stepped aside in 2007, Boxhill cited constant harrassment and bemoaned the absence of a level playing field in the election campaign.

I have decided that in the interest of Jamaicas football not to participate as a candidate for the post of president, Boxhill told The Gleaner. The current administration has faced the most consistent effort of undermining (as opposed to) any previous administration and it does occupy my mind that if it is going to continue, how realistic it will be to build on the momentum, if at every step of the way one has to be looking over ones shoulders.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/jackedit.jpg)

Folkes must know the feeling. When his slate challenged for power at the GFA executive, on Saturday April 26, 2008, Collins was ringside. There were no electoral irregularities so Folkes knew something was amiss when, two weeks later, FIFA president Sepp Blatters congratulatory letter included the assertion that a lot needs to be done to develop the game in Grenada , to ensure unity in the local football community after the disputed elections.

Although the incumbent at the elections, Folkes lacked the influence within the executive committee but this was set to change after the vote that weekend assured his slate of numerical superiority.

On Monday, Folkes was questioned about Daniels alleged financial misconduct during the previous term and assured the media that investigations would continue. It was the beginning of his demise.

Paul Roberts, a defeated candidate at the 2008 elections and ally of Daniel, made it clear that Folkes decision to investigate his general secretary was the sole reason for his removal. Roberts, who owns Grenadas Spice Capital radio station, claimed that Folkes reneged on a promise not to prosecute Daniel, which was decisive in his victorious campaign in the first place.

There had been a lot of investigations into Mr Daniel but it was a lot of red herrings, Roberts told the TnT Times. The election was a three-way race and I was eliminated in the first round. I asked him whether, if he won, he would continue investigations into Mr Daniel and he said he would not do it.

But, immediately after he won, he went on radio and said he would bring in the police. Based on that, we said that is not what you came here for; you are here for the development of football.

Roberts insisted that two previous investigations failed to show conclusive evidence that Daniel was guilty of wrongdoing and accused Folkes of conducting a witch hunt.

We couldnt have gone higher with any investigation than the FIU (Financial Intelligence Unit), said Roberts. Their findings showed that, although there was some suspicion, it was as a result of poor management (as) no system was put in place by the existing executive committee.

It wasnt anybodys fault per say.

Although Grenadas national mens team were in top gear on the field, Roberts and the other defeated candidate, Cheney Joseph, joined forces to eventually force Folkes out of office with FIFAs help although it is debatable whether the world governing body ever got the two/thirds majority required by GFA statutes.

On October 1, FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke stated, via a faxed release, that the GFA was facing serious internal turmoil which was hampering its good function and mentioned an administrative turmoil which has a direct impact on its finances.

The FIFA Executive Committee discussed the situation and came to the conclusion, continued Valcke, that the current GFA Executive Committee lacks the support and credibility to improve the situation and must thus be removed.

Despite FIFAs negative assessment of Grenadas football under Folkes, last December the Spice Islanders achieved their highest ever Caribbean Cup placing, secondthey beat Trinidad and Tobago 2-1 to effectively eliminate the Soca Warriors from the regional tournamentand they qualified for the CONCACAF Gold Cup finals for the first time in their history.

Grenada did not get to the semi-final round of the CONCACAFs 2010 World Cup qualifying competition but theirs was no shameful capitulation. The island of just over 90,000 residents led regular World Cup guests, Costa Rica, 2-0 at Saint GeorgesBlackburn Rovers striker Jason Roberts notched one goalbefore the Central American nation fought back to a 2-2 draw and subsequently progressed with a 3-0 triumph in the second leg.

(To put that in perspective, rookie national coach Russell Latapy received a standing ovation for steering Trinidad and Tobago to a 3-2 home defeat against Costa Rica while he also presided over a 4-0 loss in the Warriors return fixture on October 10).

But FIFA did not seem to measure the wellbeing of Grenadian football on the robust health of their national team. Not that Folkes would object to Valckes assertion that internal turmoil () was hampering (the GFAs) good function. But the two men would surely differ with regards to who or what was the responsible party.

Folkes first public confrontation with Warner came at the 2008 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) congress in Guadeloupe, two months before the GFA elections. Warner informed the gathering of regional representatives that Antigua and Barbuda would remain suspended for failing to pay nearly $1 million to former general secretary Chet Greene, despite the fact that Greene failed, according to his successors, to support the majority of his claims with documentation.

Greene, who, like Burrell, remained active thanks to a CONCACAF role from Warner, had been ousted from his football role for, according to an Antiguan committee appointed to investigate his tenure, serious levels of mismanagement, conflict of interest, abuse of power, negligence, financial irregularities and possible criminal activity. (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/downloads/files/antigua.pdf)

Folkes and St Kitts Peter Jenkins were the only voices raised in support of Antigua.

We both stood up for Antigua and gave moving presentations, Folkes told the TnT Times. I questioned the justice meted out to Antigua as they were debarred from the Congress and (then) tried behind their backs.

Unfortunately, within months of our stance, both St. Kitts and Grenada were visited by FIFA investigative delegations for one reason or another. We are both now out of office with the upper echelons being pivotal.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/sepp_and_jack.jpg)

Folkes' relationship with Warner did not improve when the FIFA vice-president requested 1,600 tickets for Grenadas much vaunted June 2008 World Cup fixture against Costa Rica and the GFA promptly sent him a bill that was paid after some persuasion.

In June 2009, Folkes and Jenkins again provoked a furious response from Warner when Jenkins announced his intention to run against Burrell for a seat on the CONCACAF executive committee. Warner, who has repeatedly openly chided United National Congress (UNC) leader Basdeo Panday for his supposed failure to permit democracy within the Opposition party, accused Jenkins of attempting to destabilise Caribbean football.

I have instructed the general secretary of both the CFU and the CONCACAF to remove you forthwith, said Warner, in a letter to the former president of the St Kitts and Nevis Football Federation. I was very critical of the fact that Caribbean football is split over a candidate, which is unprecedented, and this is what we have fought against over the years I do wish to advise you (Jenkins) that () it was decided that the Antigua/Barbuda and Grenada (two members who were absent at the said meeting) should be written to and be asked to submit reasons why disciplinary action should not be taken against them for their attempts to destabilise Caribbean football and Caribbean solidarity within the CFU.

If their explanations are not satisfactory, disciplinary proceedings shall be instituted against both countries.

Roberts, for the record, made it clear that he wanted nothing to do with Folkes entanglement with Warner.

Mr Folkes is on his own personal binge of attacking FIFA, CFU, CONCACAF and Jack Warner, he said. Jack must have done him something, so he is attacking Jack and Mr Daniel, who is supposedly a protg of Jack. We are not interested in attacking Jack and corruption in football and Blatter. We are not a part of that.

He has a bee in his bonnet that we do not know about.

By then, despite Folkes complaints to FIFA, Collins was a regular visitor to their island. In a move reminiscent of UDECoTTs alleged attempt to nullify the local governments enquiry, Collinswho specialised in criminal defense law and unsuccessfully defended disgraced US sprinter Justin Gatlin against doping chargesrepresented Warner when an internal FIFA investigation claimed that the Trinidadian politician benefited from the illegal blackmarket sale of 2006 World Cup tickets. Collins was an employee of FIFA and CONCACAF at the time.

We felt that since Collins was Jack Warners personal lawyer it did not make sense to have him here, said Folkes. Our position is once you replace someone who is aligned to Jack Warner, you are under pressure. If the rain falls the executive is blamed and then FIFA comes in

The whole thing was so biased that I consider it very (sic). Collins met the executive separately from the clubs so I do not know what the clubs said or complained about. I requested a copy (of his report to FIFA) but was refused.

In short, I dont know what my accusers accused me of and I was judged in my absence by evidence I had no opportunity to verify or contest. Collins had got his man again.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/bodyjack_warner.jpg)

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Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 01:58:43 PM
Y I not surprise
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: dreamer on October 15, 2009, 02:00:33 PM
Write Lasana write.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 02:02:48 PM
Write Lasana write.

COSIGNNNNNNNNNNNN esp since he suffer we 4 mths.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: King Deese on October 15, 2009, 02:08:43 PM
Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/540jackwarner.jpg)

Lasana Liburd (www.tnttimes.com) looks in on the latest Caribbean nation to run afoul of FIFA in the past six years and searches for a common thread.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/jackedit.jpg)

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/sepp_and_jack.jpg)

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/bodyjack_warner.jpg)

Editor's Note:

The TNT Times (http://www.tnttimes.com) is the next generation in online news.  Its an articulate cultured voice with style and substance; a digital daily with attitude, a newspaper with a mind of its own.  Well give you all sides of the debate and the widest spectrum of opinion that you will find anywhere on the web or in the national press.

TNT Times will ask the right questions, dig deeper and agitate a conversation through its thought provoking news features, diverse mix of blogs, strong reportage and insightful commentary.

Its targeted at an intelligent readership that thinks and hopes outside of the status-quo, seeking to be a part of the revolution. We offer our readers the opportunity to share their thoughts and opinion alongside the issues we champion. 

We dont want to be average: we want to be outstanding and gutsy.  Our website, much like our editorial content, is distinctive, eye catching and unapologetic. 


Those of us who want to think outside of the status-quo, Lisana is talking to us. It's on brother, it's on.

Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 15, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
Ah eh read the story yet but mih initial reaction to the thread title is...

wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!!!!.....
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: E-man on October 15, 2009, 02:40:35 PM
Although he mentioned Dominica he didn't summarize what went on there. Warner muscled his friend Patrick John back into the DFA presidency (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=33815). John was the guy who instigated a political coup in Dominica conspiring with Ku Klux Klan (KKK) leaders Don Black and Wolfgang Droege to overthrow the Dominican government in an invasion called "Operation Red Dog".

Warner also inducted John into the CONCACAF hall of fame.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
Ah eh read the story yet but mih initial reaction to the thread title is...

wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!!!!.....

Yuh did not c FA and thought iz a next coup :rotfl:
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: WestCoast on October 15, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
Austin, Austin, Austin ::) ::)

Thanks, again, Lasana
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 15, 2009, 05:03:24 PM
Jackals that the jackals would despise,
stones that the dry thistle would bite on and spit out,
vipers that the vipers would abominate!
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: gothic on October 15, 2009, 05:17:35 PM
funny, i feel like i knew this story without knowing this story
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 05:22:14 PM
funny, i feel like i knew this story without knowing this story

It is a re run
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Babalawo on October 15, 2009, 05:30:40 PM
send some of the young star TnT to get naturalized too nah.  the next Shalri Joseph and    Jason Roberts
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2009, 09:04:58 PM
Write Lasana write.

He still suffering for want of a quality editor at times.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Big Magician on October 16, 2009, 01:06:06 AM
we work cut out

keep it tight at the back
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 16, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
we work cut out

keep it tight at the back

Ah now coming to post that....evil doh concede without a fight....
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Sam on October 17, 2009, 08:02:56 AM
Would love to hear Jack Warer side of the story, but we might need a lie detector.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 17, 2009, 11:07:41 AM
Would love to hear Jack Warer side of the story, but we might need a lie detector.

U mean a truth detector because iz only lie he does tell so u need a device 2 pick up d truth if it ever comes out of his mouth.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Sando on October 17, 2009, 11:33:52 AM
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?

Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.

Money is really the root to all evil.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 17, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?

Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.

Money is really the root to all evil.

D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: King Deese on October 17, 2009, 07:45:04 PM
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?

Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.

Money is really the root to all evil.

D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL

Those who abuse their position of power, fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: WestCoast on October 17, 2009, 07:46:51 PM
D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL
ah did have to hilite the hilite of that post
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: fishs on October 18, 2009, 03:00:46 AM
Seems as if there is a large group of regional football people wronged by Jack, corruption and cronyism.
If only we and they can get together and start a full press against this man .
In Trinidad he has spread football money far and wide to gain creditability, he owns people who through no fault of their own have no choice* but to sit quietly and watch this man destroy the football fabric of the Caribbean and Trinidad and Tobago. He uses money that should rightfully go to the Warriors of 2006, football development for the youth of the nation but a lot of people in central south Trinidad hail him because that same money is used to buy their patronage.
Obviously up the islands he has his network of like criminals without whose support he loses his international power base.

How will this history evolve?

* Anybody who decides or through natural progression becomes a football professional. coachs, players, sports administrators seemingly have no choice but to work for him if they want to remain in TT and make a reasonably good living for their families, it's sad like Goverment corruption , buck it and end up in the dog house , ask Rowley.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: dreamer on October 18, 2009, 06:48:35 AM
Seems as if there is a large group of regional football people wronged by Jack, corruption and cronyism.
If only we and they can get together and start a full press against this man .
In Trinidad he has spread football money far and wide to gain creditability, he owns people who through no fault of their own have no choice* but to sit quietly and watch this man destroy the football fabric of the Caribbean and Trinidad and Tobago. He uses money that should rightfully go to the Warriors of 2006, football development for the youth of the nation but a lot of people in central south Trinidad hail him because that same money is used to buy their patronage.
Obviously up the islands he has his network of like criminals without whose support he loses his international power base.

How will this history evolve?

* Anybody who decides or through natural progression becomes a football professional. coachs, players, sports administrators seemingly have no choice but to work for him if they want to remain in TT and make a reasonably good living for their families, it's sad like Goverment corruption , buck it and end up in the dog house , ask Rowley.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: zuluwarrior on October 18, 2009, 09:23:50 AM
sando you saying money is the root of  evil i say man is the root of all evil for example jack.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: King Deese on October 18, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
Alfonse Capone, Pablo Escobar Jr., and Jack Warner all had couple things in common. They were all criminals and they all gave to the public.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: diamondtrim on October 19, 2009, 07:48:49 PM
Steups.......

Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.

In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.

Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.

Steups....
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 20, 2009, 05:08:34 AM
Steups.......

Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.

In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.

Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.

Steups....

Hi Jack....how are you today??
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Sando on October 20, 2009, 06:38:12 AM
Steups.......

Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.

In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.

Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.

Steups....

Bad news always make's the news. And Jack Warner is bad news.

Lasana, keep writing your stuff. We have Ian Prescott, DeFreistas and Keith Clement to write game reports for us.

We need a balance.

And Flex could handle he self as well with very good indepth stuff.
Title: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2010, 10:49:20 AM
When i first saw the link...i thought was the 2006 version. But...like is a sequel. Not much variation on the plot doh.

REVEALED: FIFA vice Jack Warner's top secret ticket ring
By: Espen Sandli & Torgeir P Krokfjord.


The FIFA vice president helped ticket sharks access tickets for the 2010 World Cup, worth hundreds of thousands on the black market. (http://www.dagbladet.no/a/13100080/)

Quote
Dagbladet can reveal that while FIFA several times has tried black market ticket companies in court, one of the most powerful men in world football, FIFA vice president Jack Warner, is actually in league with black market ticket sharks.

Towards the end of 2009 a black market ticket dealer contacted Warner personally.

He asked Warner if it was possible to get hold of tickets under the table for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Huge profit
He was acting on behalf of one of the world's biggest black market companies.

A deal was set up.

The Caribbean Football Union (CFU) ordered tickets for several WC matches, including the final. A receipt for the order was sent to the agent, who passed it on to the black market company. Dagbladet is in possession of the receipt.

The money was to be paid to a SWIFT account belonging to the CFU.

Warner's profit is said to be at about 60 percent, with the total deal amounting to about 1,5 million Norwegian kroner (NOK) - including the middleman's commission.

Not the first time
The tickets for the final alone were worth around 350 000 NOK.

This is not the first time Jack Warner is mentioned in relation to black market ticket deals. Warner and his family were fined 1 million USD after the 2006 FIFA WC, for allegedly selling a large nummer of tickets on the black market.

Warner kept his position as a vice president, and has so far paid only 1/4 of the fine.

This time around, Warner had changed his strategy. He communicates with a small number of trusted business associates only. Dagbladet knows the identity of three of the associates - all of whom have connections on the Norwegian black market.

However, despite being arranged through one of the few, trusted middlemen, the deal broke down. The black market company never paid.

Furious
And Warner was in trouble. The CFU had ordered tickets from FIFA - and all of a sudden, looked like they could not pay.

Mr Warner would be quite upset as he would look as if he ordered and could not pay, it says in an email from Warner's office.

Several emails were copied to high-ranking officials in FIFA and the official ticket provider, Match Event Services - both unknowing of why the money was never paid.

Eventually, the deal broke down - leaving both Warner and the middle man furious.

- The ticket business is like the drug trade. The higher up in the chain you are, the bigger profit you get, a well-informed source says.

On August 20 this year Dagbladet sent emails with several questions for Mr Warner to his personal email address, as well as to the CFU. The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has seen Dagbladet's questions, but says he's been to busy to reply.
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/131/131078/13107845/jpg/active/320x.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 25, 2010, 11:06:47 AM
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.

lol
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2010, 11:40:58 AM
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.

Nah he real busy dese days. Between de flooding....championing the death penalty....and the U-17 World cup.....he REAL busy.  ::)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: E-man on August 25, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
and it's not just the black market rackets. During the U-19 in Nigeria and I'm sure others, FIFA really pressured the local governments to buy up all the unsold tickets and fill the seats when they didn't sell on the open market. The governments feel they have to to avoid embarrassment of an unpopular tournament and FIFA doesn't lose any profit.

Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Dutty on August 25, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
and it's not just the black market rackets. During the U-19 in Nigeria and I'm sure others, FIFA really pressured the local governments to buy up all the unsold tickets and fill the seats when they didn't sell on the open market. The governments feel they have to to avoid embarrassment of an unpopular tournament and FIFA doesn't lose any profit.



Legal extortion
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 25, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 25, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Live rates at 2010.08.25 21:34:00 UTC      
1.00 NOK   =   0.998200 TTD

1,500,000.00 NOK   =   1,497,564.38

60 % of $ 1,497,564.38 = $ 898,538.63

FIFA = bobol
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
Jack warner said his family would not profit from this under 17  !! well i eh holding meh breath
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: g on August 25, 2010, 04:02:04 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 25, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Really ?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: dreamer on August 25, 2010, 04:39:35 PM
http://www.dagbladet.no/a/13100080/
Front page? With how much dullahs passing to the editors? Loud sssssteupss.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking

well when did this story break ?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2010, 05:24:40 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking

I have a brethrin who does write for a daily newspaper.......make a front page dis week self. So i say..aight..he might not know....leh me see wha he go do with it. Send him de link on messenger.....dis de synopsis here:

Me: I go check it out.
Him: Dis real funny. Mr. corruption watch corrupt?
Me: Well......for those who know jack..is no surprise.
Him: This is alleged doh.
Me: Just like UDECOTT...dat didnt stop allyuh from reporting it.
Him: People have documents for UDECOTT doh.
Me: So? De man in dis article have documents too...whas de difference?
Him: Wha bout innocent until proven guilty?
Me: Why dat didnt apply to manning or calder hart?
Him: I go see.


I eh holding my breath doh.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 25, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Really ?

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: AirMan on August 25, 2010, 10:09:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/trDILYNqDZE
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: spideybuff on August 26, 2010, 06:16:12 AM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

I read an article recently. It was very insightful. It says that politicians turn to the death penalty in order to incite debate because of the passion it invokes on all sides...thus distracting from the real issue, which is crime.

This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.

Stay focused on the real issues.

Jack is a master though, I must say.
Right now we at the part of the Star Wars trilogy where the Clone Wars coming and the Sith Lord going to make his move to be elected Emperor soon and the people will all believe it is for the best...
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Dutty on August 26, 2010, 07:02:54 AM
.
Right now we at the part of the Star Wars trilogy where the Clone Wars coming and the Sith Lord going to make his move to be elected Emperor soon and the people will all believe it is for the best...

Soo Anil supposed to be young Anikin in training?

I nominate ReggaeFan to be Jar Jar Binks
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 07:15:26 AM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

Let him start by hanging first you, then himself... then all would truly be forgiven.

This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.

Stay focused on the real issues.

Ent?!

Over in the General Discussion forum I cuss and tell people they falling fuh de rope-a-dope while this new government carrying on with the same ole bobol they complain about fuh de past 8 yrs.  Ah man turn and ask me what I vex about.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 09:19:20 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.

Fella... the death penalty never went away, which is why Jack clamouring to "bring it back" is just a smokescreen.  There are legal processes that need to be carried out before you execute someone, you can't just do away with these just because Jack Warner say so.  Political posturing might work on the gullible and guiless such as yourself, but the more sophisticated and observant around us can usually recognize bullshit when we hear it.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Rastaman on August 26, 2010, 09:54:53 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.

Fella... the death penalty never went away, which is why Jack clamouring to "bring it back" is just a smokescreen.  There are legal processes that need to be carried out before you execute someone, you can't just do away with these just because Jack Warner say so.  Political posturing might work on the gullible and guiless such as yourself, but the more sophisticated and observant around us can usually recognize bullshit when we hear it.
:applause:
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 10:07:49 AM
What a shame that bullshit became recognizable only after the 24th of May 2010,prior to that date allyuh was very much too sophisticated to recognize B U L L S H I T. :( :'(
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: elan on August 26, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.

Like Bakes said, the death penalty never went anywhere. The punishment for Murder in T&T is Death by Hanging.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Rastaman on August 26, 2010, 10:29:54 AM
What a shame that bullshit became recognizable only after the 24th of May 2010,prior to that date allyuh was very much too sophisticated to recognize B U L L S H I T. :( :'(
I for one did not vote for them !!!! I knew it was BULLSHIT from the start. But your statement might be reasonable for those that did vote for them.  Did you ???
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 26, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

I read an article recently. It was very insightful. It says that politicians turn to the death penalty in order to incite debate because of the passion it invokes on all sides...thus distracting from the real issue, which is crime.

This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.




And dat tactic wukking SOOOOO good...it even wukking in this topic!
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 11:47:12 AM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Dutty on August 26, 2010, 11:54:09 AM
"These ticket corruption scandals are not the issues you want to be focused on"

(http://wklondon.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c823e53ef013484a71549970c-400wi)
Title: Another honorable mention for Jack Warner
Post by: Andre on August 26, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
entertaining read!

I can accept that CONCACAF is a corrupt and despicable organization, run by a man named Jack Warner who is little more than a thug and a thief, but I cannot accept the deafening silence coming from MLS and Don Garber as the teams they are paid to support and represent are left in the dark

http://www.dynamotheory.com/2010/8/25/1650992/don-garbers-silence-is-sending-the
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: signal on August 26, 2010, 01:23:59 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.


Frico do you know how many persons there are  in trinidad and tobago presently that the gov't can hang?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 01:29:32 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.


Frico do you know how many persons there are  in trinidad and tobago presently that the gov't can hang?

Remind me bout d debate dat it had b4 dey swing dem fellas?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: STEUPS!! on August 26, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.

good thing de topic of dis thread is jack and the ticket saga   ::)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 01:42:18 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.

good thing de topic of dis thread is jack and the ticket saga   ::)

Girl I nearly call an AMBER ALERT
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 02:27:30 PM
weary,I cannot remember what the debate was b4 those animals were hanged,there is no other word to describe Dole Chadee and that gang of savages.I saw the program on telly on BBC quite a few years ago,I just could not believe that there could be a man on this planet that would order such murders,as far as I was concerned ,they should have hung his entire family too.
Since you ask about whether I knew about how many are awaiting the death penalty,I read on the internet that its 50.The thing is they cannot now be hanged because they have spent more than 5 years waiting,they say its inhumane,these are the so called do-gooders.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 02:37:27 PM
weary,I cannot remember what the debate was b4 those animals were hanged,there is no other word to describe Dole Chadee and that gang of savages.I saw the program on telly on BBC quite a few years ago,I just could not believe that there could be a man on this planet that would order such murders,as far as I was concerned ,they should have hung his entire family too.
Since you ask about whether I knew about how many are awaiting the death penalty,I read on the internet that its 50.The thing is they cannot now be hanged because they have spent more than 5 years waiting,they say its inhumane,these are the so called do-gooders.

U cyah remember because there was no debate. Is just d bleeding hearts who go b d mercy committe dem set a human rights committee. D law eh repeal so hanging can resume if they wanted to. Is just ah set of all talk dat we are known for.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
Right weary ah get what yuh saying but I give full credit for the government to give the go ahead,I dont know who was the PM then but full credit to hang them,I am pleased to know now that our people didn't give a toss about those do-gooders.I remember the news in England bout how TT flouted international pressure and went ahead with the executions.I honestly believe if they weren't hanged we may have had another Chadee or 2,you dont want those type around,do you.I can now understand why some of you are saying "smokescreen" but after the Chadee episode TT must show the outside world that its a special case in TT,hence I agree with the debate.One question though,why have we got 50 people waiting on execution for more than 5 years,the UNC have only just taken the reins,even the last government was bowing to international pressure.
Regards.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 02:58:47 PM
...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
Right weary ah get what yuh saying but I give full credit for the government to give the go ahead,I dont know who was the PM then but full credit to hang them,I am pleased to know now that our people didn't give a toss about those do-gooders.I remember the news in England bout how TT flouted international pressure and went ahead with the executions.I honestly believe if they weren't hanged we may have had another Chadee or 2,you dont want those type around,do you.I can now understand why some of you are saying "smokescreen" but after the Chadee episode TT must show the outside world that its a special case in TT,hence I agree with the debate.One question though,why have we got 50 people waiting on execution for more than 5 years,the UNC have only just taken the reins,even the last government was bowing to international pressure.
Regards.

D present govt was in power when d hangin happen. So dey cyah remember what dey do?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: E-man on August 26, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
A day later the only other pick up I've found of this story is by Bill Archer
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=9812



Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 26, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 05:20:36 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"

I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 26, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"

I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
57%
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 06:55:35 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"

I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
57%

D DEFENCE REST YUH HONOUR TNT CITIZENS ARE CLUELESS
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 27, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
I happened to catch an interview with the 2 Norwegian journalists this morning on Gayelle.  They said that they hope their article would cause FIFA to launch and investigation into Mr. Warner.  Well, we know dais the end of that.

When asked what is the perception of Mr. Warner in their neck of the woods, they acknowledge that he is a very powerful man, but that his name comes up too many times in less than desirable circumstances to be ignored.  They said that they are planning to follow up the initial story, and in fact already wrote such an article outlining emails exchanged with Mr. Warner when the deal broke down. He was apparently very angry in the emails....

Bourbon...whey yuh??....we need the updated article....
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 27, 2010, 09:18:43 AM
I eh seeing much updates. What i get here (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/26/nyheter/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/13075466/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjkjy4SMNQ5vTLa7rwvepstxi7Oxg)is from google translate.

Oh wait. Look at  this  (http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/27/nyheter/utenriks/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/13143962/)
Quote
(Dagbladet): The risk of losing the highly valuable TV-rights for the Caribbean made FIFA vice president Jack Warner fume with anger. This emerges from emails Dagbladet has gained access to, and is confirmed by several well-informed sources.

As Dagbladet has revealed, Jack Warner was involved in the sell-on of World Cup tickets to the black market, also for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Warner is vice president of FIFA, the head of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and Deputy Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago.

Trusted partners
Through a small handful of trusted business contacts, including a Norwegian financier, a Polish ticket shark and a Swedish businessman, he offered tickets from the Caribbean Football Union to operators on the black market.

Today Dagbladet can reveal how far more than a few empty seats were at stake, when a black market deal collapsed earlier this year.

High risk
Dagbladet knows the details of the deal. A Norwegian black market ticket company ordered several hundred World Cup tickets from Warner. CFU then ordered the same amount of tickets from FIFA. who then billed CFU 80 000 USD for these tickets. CFU then sent the bill to the black market company.

Dagbladet has access to the bill and an email where the black market dealers are asked to pay, to a SWIFT account associated with CFU.

Failed deal
However, the payment from the black market ticket company never arrived.

According to emails sent between the CFU and the black market, it is clear that Warner earlier this year was highly concerned about the future of his TV-rights as the deal broke down.

One of Mr. Warner's closest associates writes that the CFU (...) can lose TV rights because of this"

Fuming Warner
The message was sent after the frustration of CFU had built up over time, due to the missing payment. In the e-mail exchange that followed, it emerged that Jack Warner felt embarrassed and upset as the trade seemed to go down the drain.

The reason why Mr. Warner was fuming with anger was he feared unpaid tickets and a new ticket-farce would further deem his status within FIFA.

Among the recipients of the emails where the payment was demanded, are executives both at FIFA TV and Infront Sports & Media the company whose CEO goes by the name of Philippe Blatter, and is Sepp?s nephew.

- Number one source
From 2006-2009 FIFA?s sale of TV rights generated a profit of 2 billion USD, and Sepp Blatter himself is on record saying that the sale of TV rights is FIFA?s number one source of income.

According to respected journalist Andrew Jennings, printed in the ISS report Player and Referee, Jack Warner first aquired the Caribbean TV rights in 1990 after declaring he was eternally grateful and permanently indebted to then FIFA president Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter general secretary at the time.

The asking price for the TV rights was one (1) dollar.

Warner quickly sold the rights. The price is not known.

Easy access
In 1999, however, FIFA snubbed Warner for the TV rights for the 2002 FIFA WC. Mr. Warner immediately sent an e-mail to Sepp Blatter when it was announce that the Swiss company ISL, the predecessor to Philippe Blatter?s InFront, had chosen others to serve the Caribbean football fans their daily dose of WC action.

And, according to Andrew Jennings one e-mail to Sepp Blatter was all it took for Mr. Warner to get the TV rights back.

In December 2001 Warner?s Caribbean Football Union (CFU) paid approx 25 million NOK to the company JD International proprietors: Jack Warner and his son Daryan for the TV rights to the 2002 and 2006 FIFA world cups.

JD could then resell the rights, generating an unknown profit for the Warner family.

- To busy
And in February 2007, after an identical transaction, Warner?s JD sold the TV rights for yet two world cups this time cashing in 20 million USD on the deal:

Now Mr. Warner feared for the future of his TV rights business. Due to Norwegian black market ticket dealers failing to pay their bills.

The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has received Dagbladet?s questions.


Dunno what could happen from here. Especially since people taking a hands off approach it seems.


Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: g on August 27, 2010, 10:16:33 AM
This is the offical first instance of JW bringing the Gov't of Trinidad and Tobago into disrepute. If this thing blows up, there will be a voice to have him removed as a minister of government. Even possibly to resign as chairman of his party.

I sure it have some shadows in the PP gov't itself who wouldnt mind this blowing up.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 27, 2010, 10:19:57 AM
This is the offical first instance of JW bringing the Gov't of Trinidad and Tobago into disrepute. If this thing blows up, there will be a voice to have him removed as a minister of government. Even possibly to resign as chairman of his party.

I sure it have some shadows in the PP gov't itself who wouldnt mind this blowing up.

It have some who would doh! You know Jack does have he files on people which does make it easier for dem to chose to do his bidding!
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: truetrini on August 27, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
dat entire scene is a media misprint.  Kamla palancing.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 27, 2010, 10:44:01 AM
I was listening to 91.9fm Iwere George station the radio show host Skippy and Mad Indian said it seems as though this is comming up because Jack Warner is doing so much for the party /country and they believe is an internal assult.
Since we on that topic, any interest made from this under 17women world cup games who would profit Jack Warner Lall or TTFF PLEASE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW .   
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Football supporter on August 27, 2010, 11:38:07 AM
Its frightening how much can be printed about JW and no one really cares. I really don't know the answer to all this. But you have the whole honesty bandwagon that shooed PP into power and yet no one is interested when Jack is mentioned time after time. Then to top it all, Jack shouts for the death penalty for people who do not respect the law, like some kind of Gotham City crime slayer while he openly states that he won't comply with the verdicts of the High Court as well as blatantly ignoring his beloved FIFA order to pay $1 million to charity after his ticketing mishap!!

With regards to the hanging issue, I believe that the previous govt decided not to push for the death penalty because they want to appear to be a 1st world nation, and human rights issues have a huge impact in the reputation of a country. I'm also fairly sure that a death penalty does not result in a reduction in murder or violent crime. It would be more effective to concentrate on detection. Personally, I'm in favour of throwing murderers and paedophiles onto a desert island and leave them there.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: STEUPS!! on August 27, 2010, 05:24:18 PM
JW is threatening to sue Sasha Mohammed and TV 6 for running the story last night. he said he already instructed his lawyers.

Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Deeks on August 27, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
I was listening to 91.9fm Iwere George station the radio show host Skippy and Mad Indian said it seems as though this is comming up because Jack Warner is doing so much for the party /country and they believe is an internal assult.
Since we on that topic, any interest made from this under 17women world cup games who would profit Jack Warner Lall or TTFF PLEASE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW .   

The interest goes to jack and the debt to the TTFF.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 29, 2010, 07:57:06 AM
Here's a follow up to the initial story...

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/27/nyheter/utenriks/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/13143962/ (http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/27/nyheter/utenriks/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/13143962/)

HIGH STAKES GAMBLING: How FIFA vice risked TV rights on black market flop
TV rights worth 20 million USD were at stake when Jack Warner's black market ticket deal went to pieces earlier this year.
 
(Dagbladet): The risk of losing the highly valuable TV-rights for the Caribbean made FIFA vice president Jack Warner fume with anger. This emerges from emails Dagbladet has gained access to, and is confirmed by several well-informed sources.
As Dagbladet has revealed, Jack Warner was involved in the sell-on of World Cup tickets to the black market, also for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Warner is vice president of FIFA, the head of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and Deputy Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago.


Trusted partners
Through a small handful of trusted business contacts, including a Norwegian financier, a Polish ticket shark and a Swedish businessman, he offered tickets from the Caribbean Football Union to operators on the black market.

Today Dagbladet can reveal how far more than a few empty seats were at stake, when a black market deal collapsed earlier this year.


High risk
Dagbladet knows the details of the deal. A Norwegian black market ticket company ordered several hundred World Cup tickets from Warner. CFU then ordered the same amount of tickets from FIFA. who then billed CFU 80 000 USD for these tickets. CFU then sent the bill to the black market company.

Dagbladet has access to the bill and an email where the black market dealers are asked to pay, to a SWIFT account associated with CFU.


Failed deal
However, the payment from the black market ticket company never arrived.

According to emails sent between the CFU and the black market, it is clear that Warner earlier this year was highly concerned about the future of his TV-rights as the deal broke down.

One of Mr. Warner's closest associates writes that the CFU (...) can lose TV rights because of this"


Fuming Warner
The message was sent after the frustration of CFU had built up over time, due to the missing payment. In the e-mail exchange that followed, it emerged that Jack Warner felt embarrassed and upset as the trade seemed to go down the drain.

The reason why Mr. Warner was fuming with anger was he feared unpaid tickets and a new ticket-farce would further deem his status within FIFA.

Among the recipients of the emails where the payment was demanded, are executives both at FIFA TV and Infront Sports & Media the company whose CEO goes by the name of Philippe Blatter, and is Sepp?s nephew.


- Number one source
From 2006-2009 FIFA?s sale of TV rights generated a profit of 2 billion USD, and Sepp Blatter himself is on record saying that the sale of TV rights is FIFA?s number one source of income.

According to respected journalist Andrew Jennings, printed in the ISS report Player and Referee, Jack Warner first aquired the Caribbean TV rights in 1990 after declaring he was eternally grateful and permanently indebted to then FIFA president Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter general secretary at the time.

The asking price for the TV rights was one (1) dollar.

Warner quickly sold the rights. The price is not known.


Easy access
In 1999, however, FIFA snubbed Warner for the TV rights for the 2002 FIFA WC. Mr. Warner immediately sent an e-mail to Sepp Blatter when it was announce that the Swiss company ISL, the predecessor to Philippe Blatter?s InFront, had chosen others to serve the Caribbean football fans their daily dose of WC action.

And, according to Andrew Jennings one e-mail to Sepp Blatter was all it took for Mr. Warner to get the TV rights back.

In December 2001 Warner?s Caribbean Football Union (CFU) paid approx 25 million NOK to the company JD International proprietors: Jack Warner and his son Daryan for the TV rights to the 2002 and 2006 FIFA world cups.

JD could then resell the rights, generating an unknown profit for the Warner family.


- To busy
And in February 2007, after an identical transaction, Warner?s JD sold the TV rights for yet two world cups this time cashing in 20 million USD on the deal:

Now Mr. Warner feared for the future of his TV rights business. Due to Norwegian black market ticket dealers failing to pay their bills.

The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has received Dagbladet?s questions.

Mr. Warner is said to be too busy to reply.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: E-man on August 30, 2010, 12:56:37 PM
FIFA VP Jack Warner Tells Reporters He Had No Involvement In Black Market Ticket Deal; Offers Them Sweet Deal On World Cup 2014 Tickets
(Beer and Soccer (http://beerandsoccer.com/2010/08/26/fifa-vp-jack-warner-tells-reporters-he-had-no-involvement-in-black-market-ticket-deal-offers-them-sweet-deal-on-world-cup-2014-tix/))


(http://soccerandbeer.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/jack-warner-press-conference.jpg?w=300&h=223)

From the Didnt This Happen Four Years Ago File:  According to a report from Dagbladet, a daily newspaper whose name sounds probably less like an awful urinary tract disease in its native Norway, has uncovered a receipt which shows that Jack Warner sold thousands of tickets to this years World Cup in South Africa to a black market ticket dealer.

Mr. Warner, who serves as the Vice President of FIFA and President of the CONCACAF (the North and Central American soccer federation which borrows its name and operational phil0sophy from a rare Costa Rican feces-eating monkey), has denied any wrongdoing in the matter.

At a press conference today to address these accusations, Mr. Warner told reporters that this was all a big misunderstanding.  I simply ordered a few thousand tickets for myself and members of my extended family everyone knows that Trinidadians like to stretch out into a few hundred seats each when they take in a match, Warner explained, Besides, how did you expect me to pay off the remainder of that million dollar fine FIFA imposed upon me from the last time I sold World Cup tickets on the black market? Exactly.

Mr. Warner then asked reporters if they know anyone who could use some really killer seats to the 2014 World Cup in Brazil?  I can get as many as you need. And Ill totally give you a receipt.  I could really use the money I sense having to pay off another bullshit fine.

In addition to his roles with FIFA and the CONCACAF, Mr. Warner is also the Minister of Works and Transport of Trinidad and Tobago and holds seventeen seats in that countrys parliament (sixteen of which are presently available for purchase on Craigslist: Port of Spain).



Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 30, 2010, 05:06:20 PM
........uuuuummm E-man before ah start to  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Beer and Soccer is some kinda site that likes to poke fun/parody people??

Edit:

ah just see this on the site....

"What is beer and soccer?
Beerandsoccer.com is the internet's finest source of fake news regarding MLS and U.S. Soccer! "
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: spideybuff on September 01, 2010, 11:25:07 AM
So now we know the real reason why Jack didn't go the World Cup final. He didn't pay for his tickets !! All this talk about putting the country first was just his usual spin on things...
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on September 01, 2010, 11:28:48 AM
So now we know the real reason why Jack didn't go the World Cup final. He didn't pay for his tickets !! All this talk about putting the country first was just his usual spin on things...

He 4get how 2 storm his silver stammer would have gotten him in.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on September 01, 2010, 01:02:07 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?



Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on September 01, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on September 01, 2010, 02:35:46 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   

Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.


Buh dahs just me.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on September 01, 2010, 02:54:10 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   

Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.


Buh dahs just me.

Was this story in a Norwegian newspaper? If yes then y he eh sue dem. Is only a set ah gun talk by JW. Same threat after d Australian story . We real connected nobody eh have a link in d court 2 c if papers have been filed?

As 4 d press LOUDESTTTTTTTT OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. 
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?





Dai'z all it takes to get the media off yuh case deez days?  Didn't Manning deny tuh de death that he was involved in de churc fiasco in Heights of Guanapo?  Somehow dat never stop de press from "investigating".

Anyways... lemme stop 'nitpicking'
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on September 01, 2010, 04:21:29 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   

Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.


Buh dahs just me.

OK spoke 2 meh express peeps NO LAWSUIT HAS EVER BEEN FILED BY JW.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: STEUPS!! on September 01, 2010, 05:16:51 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?





Dai'z all it takes to get the media off yuh case deez days?  Didn't Manning deny tuh de death that he was involved in de churc fiasco in Heights of Guanapo?  Somehow dat never stop de press from "investigating".

Anyways... lemme stop 'nitpicking'

 :devil:
Title: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 29, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
Jack: Concacaf will be given all it deserves.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Fifa vice president, Austin Jack Warner, promised that the world governing body of football is committed to ensuring that all nations, regardless of size, are granted the tools to transform their football into a world class game.

Warner made the statements at the inauguration ceremony of Phase Two of Jamaicas Goal Project in Kingston on Monday morning.

The perception of small teams or countries in the world of football must be dispelled. On the field of play we are all equal and through our Goal Projects, Fifa continues to exercise its commitment to ensuring equity and equality.

He continued, noting that the Caribbean region is unique in that we face extraordinary and sometimes incomparable challenges, but we cannot be held back by our perceived disadvantages. We must be given the tools to rise above it all and like the proverbial phoenix, we in the Caribbean will continue to rise above our adversities and fly high.

As the president of Concacaf and the CFU I will continue to ensure that we are given all that we deserve. Warner was part of a delegation of football officials including Fifa president Sepp Blatter to visit Jamaica for the launch of the project.

Phase One of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) Technical Centre, constructed with the standard goal bureau grant of US$400,000 (about J$35 million), consists of a first class training field, changing rooms, referees room, equipment room and temporary perimeter fencing.

Phase Two, which is to start as soon as possible, will have an additional floor to the existing administrative block and is expected to house an office for the technical staff, a presentation room, kitchenette and a second playing field.

And as the development continues with the ultimate aim of having a total technical centre, the JFF will apply for Phase Three, which will consist of a perimeter wall and floodlights, while the final phase of the existing plan will see the construction of dormitories capable of housing two teams at once. Warner and his team will now head to Anguilla to launch a similar project.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: andre samuel on September 29, 2010, 04:58:17 AM
lol@Jack Warner thread..............This will get very interesting!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on September 29, 2010, 06:39:28 AM
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here.  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on September 29, 2010, 07:32:50 AM
Some of us will just STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 29, 2010, 08:35:42 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: palos on September 29, 2010, 09:38:50 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!

Is dat refuse as in decline?

Or refuse as in garbage?  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 29, 2010, 09:53:55 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!

Is dat refuse as in decline?

Or refuse as in garbage?  :devil:

both!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: palos on September 29, 2010, 10:03:06 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!

Is dat refuse as in decline?

Or refuse as in garbage?  :devil:

both!!!!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: College on September 29, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Definition of JACK
   
noun
a five pound note.  money
Jack owe the players real jack!


nothing, very little.
You don't know jack!


a sweet, sensitive, adorable guy. Origin: Jack Dawson, the main male character in the movie Titanic.
He's a real Jack.


a cigarette.
Hey, could I get a jack?

a police officer.
The jacks pulled me over for no reason.

shortened form of jack-ass or a jack-off - a general insult.
Anil Roberts is a dumb jack!

verb
to stab.
He got jacked.


to punch.
He got jacked in the face.
LP got jacked by Wim!


to steal.
I bet they jacked that watch.
My car got jacked.
He jacked the players' money!


Add a definition.....


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on September 29, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
Definition of JACK
   
noun
a five pound note.  money


nothing, very little.
You don't know jack!


a sweet, sensitive, adorable guy. Origin: Jack Dawson, the main male character in the movie Titanic.
He's a real Jack.


a cigarette.
Hey, could I get a jack?

a police officer.
The jacks pulled me over for no reason.

shortened form of jack-ass or a jack-off - a general insult.
He's a dumb jack!

verb
to stab.
He got jacked.


to punch.
He got jacked in the face.


to steal.
I bet they jacked that watch.
My car got jacked.


Add a definition.....




Ah think you forget the most important one..JACK of ALL Trades  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: 1-868 on September 29, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
He is just a Jack off  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: redtrinigirl on September 29, 2010, 11:38:44 AM
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here.  :devil:

Yuh forget the millions he spent on the elections campaign dat he HAVE to get back somehow (can you say bobol projects?)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on September 29, 2010, 02:50:13 PM
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here.  :devil:

I does usually macco dem ting on Trinituner....ah miss da one in trute

what kind? Murcielago?? Reventon??
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 29, 2010, 04:11:30 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best ambassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on September 29, 2010, 04:33:05 PM
JC nice post,those guys will get their money,i hope all the animosity will stop after that,it's hard to function in an environment with so much enemies,the thing is the guy gets things done.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on September 29, 2010, 04:52:19 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Sense!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 29, 2010, 06:08:55 PM
jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Nah.  Yuh cyar teach ah ole dog new tricks.  Time for he to get out and give new dogs ah chance and ah doh mean Daryll Warner.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2010, 06:39:32 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Utter nonsense.

What kind of "embbassador" is Jack Warner when all around the world he's recognized as conniving and corrupted individual? Can you name one place outside of TnT where Jack is looked upon favorably?

What is his work ethic?  Thieving and bribery?  Financial shakedowns?  Empty legal threats and coercion?  Jack thiefing and giving back what, to merit the kind of distinction you making from the common thieves in TnT?

It would be nice if you could back up some of these claims yuh making... just like ah still waiting over in 'General Discussion' fuh yuh to back up yuh talk that the tunnel idea is such a brilliant idea.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: che on September 29, 2010, 07:32:51 PM
Some of us will just STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Cosign with ribbit's permission of course.  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 29, 2010, 07:45:22 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Utter nonsense.

What kind of "embbassador" is Jack Warner when all around the world he's recognized as conniving and corrupted individual? Can you name one place outside of TnT where Jack is looked upon favorably?

What is his work ethic?  Thieving and bribery?  Financial shakedowns?  Empty legal threats and coercion?  Jack thiefing and giving back what, to merit the kind of distinction you making from the common thieves in TnT?

It would be nice if you could back up some of these claims yuh making... just like ah still waiting over in 'General Discussion' fuh yuh to back up yuh talk that the tunnel idea is such a brilliant idea.
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.

i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.

jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.

as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Babalawo on September 29, 2010, 11:31:13 PM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 30, 2010, 04:43:22 AM
jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

Nah, nah Just Cool yuh waste ah thought dey.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.

i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.

jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.

as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.

Everybody have a right to an opinion, but that opinion should at least have some kinda basis to it.  Instead of offering that basis when called for yuh yelping like a kicked dog about "abuse" and "ego".  Having ah internet connection is no excuse for posting shit and not expecting to be called out on it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 30, 2010, 05:12:12 AM
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.

i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.

jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.

as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.

Everybody have a right to an opinion, but that opinion should at least have some kinda basis to it.  Instead of offering that basis when called for yuh yelping like a kicked dog about "abuse" and "ego".  Having ah internet connection is no excuse for posting shit and not expecting to be called out on it.
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess.  :thinking:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 05:29:24 AM
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess.  :thinking:

Fella I never tell yuh yuh "wrong"... I just disagree with yuh position and asked you some questions regarding how yuh arrived at that position.  The glowing way in which you described Jack seems to fly in the face of all the objective information we have about him out there.  I was curious as to what you was basing your opinion on.  If yuh think dai's too much abuse then we could just call it george and move on.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on September 30, 2010, 05:04:29 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 05:29:08 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Yes.  He strong-arm he way to the head of the TTFF, he scratch some CFU backs, grease some palms and finagle he way to CONCACAF head.  From there he use he connections with Joao Havelange to move up the FIFA ranks.  FIFA is an organization built and run on nepotism... it is not a meritocracy.  So save that "personal capacity" talk unless yuh mean ah personal capacity for bobol.

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

Okay so he spend some ah de tief money to bring Beenhakker to TnT.  How much footballers head he step on in the process of us getting to Germany?  What did he do specifically to get us there... since yuh seem convinced that he did something.  He pay off Bahrain?  Even if yuh want to argue extra half-ah spot all that did is give us ah second bite ah de apple if we fail to grab one of the 3 sure spots.  Is the players who had to go out and earn the invitation.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Yes he bring them... in exchange fuh what? Ask yuhself that.  Ask yuhself how it benefit him too.  Beckham ent come TnT juss b/c he care about li'l black boys and girls.  If yuh crediting Jack fuh dat yuh might as well credit whoever pushing England as hosts in 2018.  Unscrupulous, yuh say?

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??
 

Lol.

What so hard to believe about that??  He take de football money he get from tiefin and parlay dat into buying ah PP position.  You trying to tell me is because he's dis ace politician that Kamla bring him on as ah pardna?  Is he dirty money they wanted to underwrite the campaign.  You cyah be serious with all dem answers yuh asking.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 30, 2010, 06:22:24 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.

Dinho, read Foul!  by Andrew Jennings.  Yeah Jack got everything he has by being a nasty, low down, stinking dutty ole tief!!....if yuh think ah lie, ask the Haitian delegate who couldn't vote at a crucial FIFA vote to keep Sepp Blatter in power.....read the book.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 30, 2010, 06:46:41 PM
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess.  :thinking:

Fella I never tell yuh yuh "wrong"... I just disagree with yuh position and asked you some questions regarding how yuh arrived at that position.  The glowing way in which you described Jack seems to fly in the face of all the objective information we have about him out there.  I was curious as to what you was basing your opinion on.  If yuh think dai's too much abuse then we could just call it george and move on.
Bredder, what i rendered was an opinion, i had nothing substantial to back up my post, just raw ipinion and circumstantial stuff, so i will answer yuh question, i arrive @ that position not by solid evidence, deep research, or even personal experience, just pure speculation and observation which is in no way solid proof.

about the tunnel, i thought it was ah good idea, i'm all for progress in the way of better infrastructure, but of course i don't live in TNT so i'm not familiar wid the logistics and the ins and outs especially in the field of engineering, but it sound like ah good idea to me to have ah 2nd route out of maracas instead of one solitary route and ah bandolo route from "blanchiseuse" to arima. my heart was in the right place even though i may have been in error.         after all, i'm not infallible, neither do i want to be.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
about the tunnel, i thought it was ah good idea, i'm all for progress in the way of better infrastructure, but of course i don't live in TNT so i'm not familiar wid the logistics and the ins and outs especially in the field of engineering, but it sound like ah good idea to me to have ah 2nd route out of maracas instead of one solitary route and ah bandolo route from "blanchiseuse" to arima. my heart was in the right place even though i may have been in error.         after all, i'm not infallible, neither do i want to be.

We could pick this up elsewhere... but I juss doh think is the proper focus fuh dat kinda expenditure (expecially in light of them scrapping the boat and dem because they claim is ah waste ah money).   They could easily invest in improving the two existing routes rather than this fancy hole in de mountain stuff.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 01, 2010, 06:10:31 AM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.
Yup, that's exactly what we telling you. How else u feel a black man from a no name country(football wise) could make it in that cut throat world? By playing by the rules? What world u living in?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on October 01, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
Give Jack he jacket. He had to at least have some type of vision and intelligence to execute this level of corruption and not be convicted.

True!! yuh hadda admire the means but not the end

if only the man could use his mental powers for good and not boball......dey go immortalize him
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on October 01, 2010, 02:39:58 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.
Yup, that's exactly what we telling you. How else u feel a black man from a no name country(football wise) could make it in that cut throat world? By playing by the rules? What world u living in?


Hold on.. So yuh honestly think any of them does play by the rules??

I not naive breds. If Jack know the game enough to win it then more power to him, because at that level EVERYBODY is corrupt fellah. That is politics in the world we live in. And it is even harder for a black man from a no name country to make it because yuh think the European powers that be want to see a black man eat??

It have many more players in this game that much more deserving of the hatred than Jack is.

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinimassive on October 01, 2010, 03:16:40 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2010, 05:18:01 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add

You make ah wrong turn fella... dis is de "Jack Warner Thread".  De toilet is down de hall and around de corner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 01, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add

how exactly can we find a way to get along with him? if we kiss his arse will he promise not to tief anymore?

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 01, 2010, 05:35:04 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add

how exactly can we find a way to get along with him? if we kiss his arse will he promise not to tief anymore?




 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 01, 2010, 06:05:55 PM

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?

Define "overstep his boundaries?".... ??? :-\
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on October 01, 2010, 06:16:00 PM
I would have had more admiration for David Beckham if he had slept with the hookers and snubbed Jack Warner, the odious president of the CONCACAF nations and a vice-president of FIFA.

Beckham was waggling his tush in Warner's fiefdom of Trinidad and Tobago this weekend in the hope of securing votes for England's bid for the 2018 World Cup.

Meanwhile, his lawyers began proceedings against the fantasist call girl who claims he spent a night with her, and a friend, in New York.

He has this the wrong way round, surely? In time, the public forgets tawdry and false allegations, but a man's reputation never recovers from cosying up to Warner.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1315410/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Sorry-Manchester-City-big-win-does-make-contenders.html#ixzz119jBlff0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on October 01, 2010, 07:05:17 PM

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
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      Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 01, 2010, 07:42:40 PM
I don't begrudge jack's position in FIFA. He used his wits to get there. Hooray to him. You have to be "crooked" to be with all the crooks in that organization. That goes for the IOC also.

But look at the state of TT football. If this  so called man of vision can change Concacaf and FIFA. Increase or always trying to increase the amount of spots in Concacaf. Yet in his very own country the state of football is pathetic to say least. He has been at the helm of football for over 30 years. Guys look at our "pro teams". Look at Jack team. Most of them teams are woeful especially against regional team. Connection is an exception when they have a good team. Most of you look in disgust when you watch a pro-game. No atmosphere. Empty stadiums, plenty invisible people. People don't support their local team. When the weekend come, I swear everybody living in Europe. Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Boo, Sunderland, RM, Barca, Milan, etc, etc.

This man at the helm of TT footbal over 30 f--king yrs. We need a f--king change. We want action on the field. We have no say on what goes on in the FIFA boardroom. F--k the boardroom and all them crooks in it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 02, 2010, 04:11:45 AM

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
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      Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.


And how come dais all Jack does do threaten??  Why he doh ever haul these reporters into a court??  Steups!!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 02, 2010, 07:01:06 AM

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
[/quote

      Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.

To be fair to Jennings, he's been chasing people for 30 years! He first broke a big story involving corruption in the Met Police. His biggest story was the corruption inside the Olympics. His original FIFA target was Blatter, but then he discovered Jack!

He despises corruption and even more so in sport. Once he locates a target he doesn't let go. The only reason he reports on T&T is because thats where Jack is from. Like any freelance journalist, of course he makes money. And if you think he's laughing at Trinis, well maybe he is.....where else in the world (except maybe Africa) would the citizens allow one man to behave like Jack? So you can't blame the messenger. Englands interest is simple. They want 2018 and Jack decides who gets it, so any story relating to Jack will be news over there.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 02, 2010, 07:04:00 AM
I knew this thread would be fireworks.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 02, 2010, 07:05:59 AM
This has always been my problem with Jack. With his undoubted talent, why has he not worked to create a better standard of football in T&T? The funds raised from holding world cups here could have been re invested in the country to provide a better infastructure. I'm sure Jack has met many talented people who could have organised TTFF much better. I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.

That was a brilliant and ingenious move... to hear some in here tell it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 02, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.

That was a brilliant and ingenious move... to hear some in here tell it.

Boy not just in here nah.....in the wider T&T public too.  I guess this forum is just a snapshot of our society.....go figure.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on October 02, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
I does wonder about some of us moral values yes. To try and rationalize or logically make right JW action is kind of...........................don't know the word to insert here, but it's messed up.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on October 12, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
False Indication of Fair Administration (F.I.F.A.).
By Sola Aiyepeku (234next.com).


Nigerians are exasperated with the way our football has been governed and are desirous of change. This led many to hope FIFAs ban would remain in place to force us put our house in order. We should begin to learn what really matters to FIFA if we didnt know before - what is FIFA really after? I have selected a few of FIFAs scandals to shed more light on FIFAs ways.

1. Polish football threatened

In 2005 Polish authorities began an investigation into widespread corruption within Polish football. In July 2006, the Polish sports minister criticised the PZPN (Polish Football Association) for failing to take adequate steps to fight corruption, and announced an audit of the organisation. In January 2007, PZPN board member Wit Żelazko was arrested by Wrocław police.

Shortly thereafter, the entire PZPN board was suspended by the sports ministry. This move displeased FIFA which announced that the principle of autonomy of football associations was of utmost importance. The Polish sports ministry, Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczynski, and most fans felt that the battle against corruption was more important, but when FIFA threatened sanctions, the sports ministry backed down and agreed to re-instate the PZPN board. This certainly sounds familiar to us.

2. Millions allotted to Goal Project schemes that never materialised

a) In 2000, FIFA agreed a $471,364 grant towards a training centre for the Antiguan & Barbadian Football Association outside the Antiguan capital of St Johns. For three years the site stayed empty but FIFA did not do anything. In 2003, the Antiguan government tried to intervene and FIFA suspended the membership of the Antiguan & Barbadian FA, whose national team missed out the 2004 Olympic qualifiers as a result.

The suspension was lifted later that year but nothing changed until 2005, when FIFA did do something: they handed over even more money, a $503,098 Goal grant for a second project. This grant was for a pitch, floodlights, security fencing and dressing rooms to the training centre, which had still not been built. FIFA has nothing to say about either project and directs enquiries to its own website, which simply shows an empty field in Antigua.

b) Goal project in Barbados shelved until further notice due to a lack of progress despite a $400,000 grant being agreed five years ago towards a proposed $627,500 training centre. According to the Barbados Goal link, the first stone was laid in July 2003 yet the project has been abandoned.

Warners CONCACAF region has 39 members and 35 are also full FIFA members. Of those 35, all bar one (the US) have received Goal grants.

3. Jack Warner Scandals

a) 2006 World Cup Ticket Scandal: Warner has been accused of corruption on BBCs Panorama for repeatedly taking advantage of his position for financial gain. FIFAs auditors, Ernst & Young, estimated that his family made a profit of at least $1 million from reselling 2006 World Cup tickets that Warner had ordered.

b) Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup bonuses: Before the 2006 FIFA World Cup, Warner, as special advisor to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, brokered a deal between the Federation and the players on Trinidad and Tobagos 2006 World Cup team to share the proceeds from their participation in the World Cup. After the tournament the Federation declared revenue of TT$18.25 million, costs of TT$17.9 million and offered the players a split of TT$5,644.08 per player. The players rejected this figure, disputing the Federations numbers.

The Trinidad and Tobago government later revealed that the Federation received in excess of TT$173 million for their part in the tournament in Germany. The T&TFF proposed that the bonus dispute be heard before the UK Sports Dispute Resolution Panel and the players agreed. Arbitrator Ian Mill QC heard the case and ruled that Warner had the authority of the TTFA to commit it to financial transactions and that the players were entitled to 50 per cent of the FIFA World Cup participation money and the commercial revenues gained from Trinidad and Tobagos qualification, as well as half the net income from World Cup warm-up matches.

4. Jrme Valcke

The 46 year old scored the worst-ever own goal. Ten months ago, the Frenchmans career was in tatters but now hes back running football as the general secretary of FIFA. He lost his job in marketing at FIFA after a judge ruled he had lied over a sponsorship deal. A New York judge had stated that Valcke, then FIFAs marketing director, had lied to two groups - MasterCard and Visa - bidding for the right to sponsor the 2010 and 2014 World Cups. This prompted his employer to part company with Valcke and three of his colleagues. FIFAs negotiations breached its business principles, the governing body said. FIFA cannot possibly accept such conduct among its own employees.

His recent return to FIFA as its top appointed official ranks as an extraordinary shift in fortune. It shows how highly FIFA president Sepp Blatter must rate the former Canal Plus executive that he was rehired even though the affair in effect cost FIFA half the revenues it was expecting from the eight-year sponsorship.

Our world is a very small world, says Valcke of his return to favour.

We worked closely together for three years. Whatever Blatter asked me, and what I committed to deliver when I joined FIFA, I did. So we have a strong relationship, Blatter and myself. And very rewarding too if I must say so.

FIFAs track record in handling corruption allegations indicate a habit of either looking the other way or dishing out no more than a slap on the wrist to offending officials in their organisation. So how can they possibly be expected to encourage any investigation and punishments to FIFA representatives [like our NFF]?

In my opinion, FIFA has never pretended to encourage governments to fights corruption within their federations or associations because it could affect them adversely so their people are protected no matter what. So we shouldnt expect them to change, we have to effect the change ourselves.

I reiterate my previous statement in previous articles that, in matters of government interference or not, FIFA does not have the [moral] right to apply the same rules to most African countries as it does to the more developed ones in the rest of the world.

This never-ending circle of banning and unbanning events will continue so long as FIFA keep ignoring Africas uniqueness rather than accepting the stark reality of it. So long as governments still provide most [and sometimes all] of the funding in football [or sports], they have the right to ask questions and investigate how the money is spent as well as demand a significant role in administration. However, our governments latest interference in a long list of many was totally unacceptable and must be stopped permanently for our football to grow.

If FIFA is sincere, insistent and serious about zero government interference all over Africa, the organisation should be working hand-in-hand with individual governments, football federations or associations to find unique solutions; rather than issue offensive statements, bans and warnings that suggest a picture of complicity in alleged and proven cases of corruption.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 15, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
England withdraws 2022 bid because US withdraws from 2018 bid. Kamla tells Jack to support England's bid according to the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9097559.stm
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2010, 11:32:47 PM
England withdraws 2022 bid because US withdraws from 2018 bid. Kamla tells Jack to support England's bid according to the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9097559.stm

Since when Kamla telling JW what 2 do? I glad if d Brits get d WC dat will b a next WC wit or wtout we guys I will attend.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Babalawo on October 16, 2010, 03:30:36 AM
O_o
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 20, 2010, 06:41:46 AM
Got this classic in an email...

Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
 
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards.
 
For those of you who may have been living in a cave in Afghanistan since 2009, this is what you missed so far:
 
Hot on the heels of the May 24th General Elections, Deosaran Bisnath and GOPIO (the Global Organization Of People of Indian Origin) decided to prove their exceptional Indian-ness by hosting an 'All Indian All the Time' award show (to the complete embarrassment of upstanding people of East Indian origin everywhere) to celebrate Indian people that they thought deserved a nothing award, a slice of cake and some juice.
 
Not to be outdone,  we (the Organization of Semi Worthwhile and Distracting Events) had cause to celebrate (then) Acting Prime Minister HNIC Austin Jack Warner in July of this year when, in his version of a 'Papa Doc' routine for the willing news cameras, promised a little boy who was kidnapped and who found his own way out of the forest a FIFA watch and a National Award for bravery. This offer understandably caused some furor in a place not known for public outcry, and when he realized his offer had backfired (and instead of looking magnanimous and Prime Ministerial he was in fact looking foolish), did a little 'two step' back pedal and said it wasn't a NATIONAL Award he meant, which made everyone who saw him on the evening news and in the papers say 'huh?'
 
And so the Jack Awards were born.
 
It has been held every month since except August this year, due to the fact that we had no cake and not enough juice to share.
 
We at the Organization of Semi Worthwhile and Distracting Events are proud to present yet another 'Jack Awards' ceremony as there are many who are worthy of receiving the second highest 'nothing award' in the land for their dubious and self glorifying achievements, a glass of juice and a slice of cake.
 
 
And the nominees are:
 
 
1) Therese Baptiste-Cornelis
 
The good Minister of Health has depressed the national mood by staying out of the media glare since her last public flare up. This pretense of being sane and normal is fooling no one, and the decision has dampened our collective spirits by removing the best comic relief we have ever had. It has also forced the news cameras to follow the Minister of a Few People as he appears willing to be her replacement, but is more annoying than funny to watch.
 
The Minister has also promised to build five more hospitals, even though she is quite aware that the three we already have do not work.
 
- For keeping all that good crazy in the dark  - A Jack Award.
 
2) Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissesar
 
Did you really promise to paint the laptops yellow as a security measure to protect against theft?
 
When we first heard that we at OSWDE (pronounced oz-wood-eee) refused to believe it, and for the most part we still don't. But there are rumors that people everywhere are painting their valuables yellow so as to protect them from would be thieves, and spokespersons at both Penta and Sissons readily admit that production cannot meet the demand.
 
From entire houses to cars and appliances, people are rushing to avail themselves of this new approach to protection, and we say bravo!
 
We have already taken steps to follow your lead, and this entire article is being written on yellow paper with yellow ink.
 
- For providing a novel idea to National Security - A Jack Award.
 
3) Deputy Chairman of the Clico EFPA Policy Holders Group Peter Permel
 
Incensed that the gravy train racket that was the CLICO empire had the audacity to go belly up without repaying its big money investors, wanna be bad boy Permel went all 'Gangsta' as he took on the Government and put their collective ass on notice.
 
Threatening to 'Bust a Move' economically if somebody doesn't repay them their money, Peter Permel has shown that you don't need to be tall to be big (Imbert take note).
 
- For having more balls than Adidas and Nike combined- A Jack Award.
 
4) Dr, Keith Rowley
 
Who?
 
Dr. Keith Rowley.
 
Who is that?
 
The Leader of the Opposition.
 
We have an Opposition?
 
Dr. Keith Rowley has decided to embarrass the Government into action by disappearing right before their very eyes. In a trick worthy of David Copperfield and Harry Houdini combined, the Leader of the Opposition has faded completely away, leaving a void that very few have noticed. His shrinking violet routine has caught the eyes of Hollywood, and rumor has it that he has been offered the lead in the next installment of the "invisible Man.'
 
 - For having nothing to say and being brave enough to say it - A Jack Award
 
5) Attorney General Anand Ramlogan
 
Deciding he didn't want the blame for letting cowboy Ishwar Galbaransingh and his sidekick Steve Ferguson go free, the Honorable Attorney General has signed the extradition papers to send the good gentlemen on their way to visit their Uncle Sam, and yet, to everyone's consternation, they are still here.
 
Costing more money than a first class trip to Mars so far, the legal maneuvering required to keep them out of the clutches of the United States Legal System has ended at the desk of the AG who promptly sent them on their way to, uh, here?
 
- For an excellent re-enactment of the washing of hands scene - A Jack Award
 
6) Patrick Manning
 
Where?
 
What is wrong with you?
 
You scared me!
 
Steups.
 
The twelfth man on the Opposition's Bench has suddenly been put back in play while appearing to actively do nothing himself.
Seeming to be impervious to attack after attack in the Parliament, the media and on the street, his name is being called in all sorts of machinations that are quite frankly scaring the people to death.
 
The specter of Patos as Leader of the Opposition and 'Prime Minister in Waiting' has caused many a skipped beat nationally, and his silence and calmness is unnerving to say the least.
 
- For causing people stress STILL - A Jack Award
 
7) Ish & Steve, Brian & others...
 
For the first time in our long and illustrious history, we are pleased to present the first 'Group Award' for a proverbial tag team of bandits and shysters that took this place by storm and are still shaking things up to this very day.
 
Hitting High, Low, Hang Jack AND game legally, it is now impossible to remember where this case began, who is involved, who represents who, and we at OSWDE would not be surprised if Diana Ross herself were to appear on the witness stand.
 
In what will go down in our history as the most expensive, most challenging and most convoluted legal case ever, the matter has generated enough income and expenditure to qualify as an industry all on its own.
 
- For showing us that not everything needs to make sense - A Jack Award
 
7) HNIC Austin Jack Warner
 
It would be foolish of us to ignore the exploits of this living legend, and while few would have the balls to blame the rain for causing flooding as he does, we must be willing to recognize excellence in tomfoolery everywhere we find it.
 
In his most daring exploit to date, the HNIC has decided that if State Boards get in the way of his arbitray and autocratic decisions, then why not just do away with them altogether?
 
Having tested the Constitution, the Parliament and the People to see if they would in fact withstand a challenge, Jack decided to be both nimble and quick with contracts to who and where he damned well pleased because, well, he was the HNIC.
 
When told that he couldn't do what he was doing by the REAL Prime Minister of the country, Jackie boy did the only other thing he knew how to do, and threw a tantrum of epic proportions alleging plots and counterplots within the Government to shame and discredit his good name.
 
The media personnel present to record the press conference collapsed as one at this last statement and had to be rushed to hospital and treated for what could only be described as chronic hysteria.
 
They are currently in intensive care, and attempts to stop the laughter have not yet been met with success.
 
- For making us laugh out loud, Jack - A Jack Award
 
 
The Jack Awards will one day have its own ceremony complete with press and red carpet, dedicated to those who excel  at 'cocking' up epically on the national stage.
 
We plan to monitor the news, and bring you a Jack Awards function as regularly as the remaining Freedom of Speech allows.
 
The Jack Awards is an equal opportunity offender, and whoever is in Government, Opposition, State Appointees and/or receiving State funds under false pretenses will be nominated.
 
The Government of the people is supposed to work for the people, in the service of the people, and while firing them takes a little time, we can expose them for who and what they really are.
 
If you're a blind Party supporter, a racist, a biased Journalist, a corrupt public Official or a 'doh care' public servant, for reducing the quality of life in our nation, there is a Jack Award for you.
 
If you take yourself too seriously be careful, you can never tell if there's a Jack Award in your future too.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on October 20, 2010, 07:24:35 AM
Brilliant. :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on October 20, 2010, 07:27:42 AM
Got this classic in an email...

Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
 
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards...........
 .
 

^^^ that is brilliant
funny as hell.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 20, 2010, 07:45:34 AM
Read that on FB last night....ah nearly dead.  We creative eh??.....

Ah love it!!  (c) Andre Samuel...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 20, 2010, 07:50:51 AM
A story of promise lost... started with a bang, ended with a fizzle.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on October 20, 2010, 07:59:51 AM
Got this classic in an email...

Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
 
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards...........
 .
 

^^^ that is brilliant
funny as hell.

Brilliant SQUARED!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 20, 2010, 08:08:19 AM
we must be willing to recognize excellence in tomfoolery everywhere we find it.
:rotfl:
Title: REVEALED: FIFA vice Jack Warner's top secret ticket ring (dagbladet.no)
Post by: boss on October 27, 2010, 06:37:30 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted  :beermug:
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/25/nyheter/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/fifa/13100080/

EDIT: Link contains a large and potentially disturbing photo
Title: Re: REVEALED: FIFA vice Jack Warner's top secret ticket ring (dagbladet.no)
Post by: JDB on October 27, 2010, 06:51:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted  :beermug:
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/25/nyheter/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/fifa/13100080/

That article have a picture of Jack that is tooo big for pleasant viewing, the link should come with a warning.

When I see his name I thought is was linked to the recent expose where Zen Ruffinen name ExCo members that can be bribed. Anybody know who was named or if it was Jack.

As for this allegation it seems flimsy compared to "Ticket or Leave It" so Jack will breeze through. He might even be innocent. It seems all they have is a copy of an invoice to the CFU. Unless they have some correspondence between the CFU and a middleman the rest they could claim that the rest is just speculation.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: boss on November 02, 2010, 10:54:47 AM
Nothing new here  :beermug:
http://www.footymatters.com/articles/champions-league-articles/footballs-decision-makers-how-uefa-and-fifa-stink-of-corruption-and-greed/
Title: how to watch BBC - FIFA's dirty secrets today
Post by: jai john on November 29, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
How You Can Watch BBC Panorama FIFAs Dirty Secrets Outside The UKby The Gaffer on November 28, 2010 8 comments
 


On Monday, BBC Panorama will air FIFAs Dirty Secrets, a 30 minute expos that investigates corruption allegations against some of the FIFA officials who will vote on Englands World Cup bid. Reporter Andrew Jennings exposes new evidence of bribery, and accuses some executives of taking kickbacks. He also uncovers the secret agreements that could guarantee FIFA a financial bonanza if England hosts the World Cup.

While the most explosive soccer documentary will premiere on BBC 1 television in the United Kingdom on Monday night, you unfortunately wont be able to see it anywhere on U.S. television. BBC America has no plans on showing it. The program will be available on BBCs iPlayer but only for residents in the United Kingdom.

So here are your best options to watch the program either live or on delay:


Sign up for My Private Network to watch the episode on the BBC iPlayer,
Try Expat Shield which is free, but only runs on Windows (read review)
Last but not least, we dont endorse or advocate this, but theres always BitTorrent.
I wish we didnt have to sneak around to find a solution for this. But the outcome of what happens after the episode airs may have dire consequences on the entire World Cup 2018 bid, so its one of those programs that will be a must-see for soccer fans. But the frustrating aspect is that most people outside the United Kingdom may never get an opportunity to watch it.

If you have suggestions of how to watch the episode, please post them in the comments section below. The program is scheduled to premiere on BBC 1 at 3:30pm ET Monday.

Title: Re: how to watch BBC - FIFA's dirty secrets today
Post by: JDB on November 29, 2010, 09:49:38 AM
Thanks for posting Jai.


if any of the British-based forumites could record and distribute it would be much appreciated. I sure is mostly well-worn ground by Jennings as far a Jack is ocncerned but I would like to see who else he after.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: boss on November 29, 2010, 11:24:09 AM
Quote
The fourth Fifa executive named in the Panorama programme is Trinidad and Tobago's Jack Warner, one of the organisation's vice-presidents.

Panorama says it has seen e-mails and an invoice which show Mr Warner was involved in the procurement of $84,000 worth of 2010 World Cup tickets.

The e-mail trail suggests the tickets were destined for the black market but the planned deal - including 38 tickets for the final in Johannesburg - collapsed because the touts were not prepared to pay the asking price.

In 2006, Panorama revealed that Mr Warner had sold tickets on the black market for that year's World Cup tournament in Germany.

Fifa subsequently ordered Mr Warner's family business, Simpaul Travel, to make a $1m donation to charity to "compensate for the profits it had made through resale of 2006 Fifa World Cup tickets".

At a recent press conference, Mr Blatter was asked about the fresh allegations against Mr Warner by a Norwegian journalist who first broke the story of the e-mails.

Mr Blatter replied: "Should it be knowledgeable to us, by official means, or by official channels, then naturally we would have to look at that."

Fifa's media office, when asked by the Norwegian journalist what Mr Blatter meant by "official channels", reportedly replied "we have no idea".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11841783  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 11:48:12 AM
The unpaid Trinidadian World Cup players are a scandal for FifaJack Warner has still not paid Trinidad & Tobago's footballers their agreed bonuses from the 2006 World Cup

That was quite a neat trick of Sir Alex Ferguson, was it not, making it look as if the Everton fans were somehow to blame for his star striker's non-appearance at Goodison when it was actually Wayne Rooney who had done most of the misbehaving? Good effort but this week's award for sheer brass neck goes to someone who moves in much higher footballing circles and manages to make the Manchester United manager's manoeuvring look amateurish.

The Honourable Jack Austin Warner MP, Trinidad & Tobago football executive, Fifa vice-president, Concacaf president and minister of works and transport, has still not paid his country's footballers their agreed bonuses from the World Cup before last. Before the 2006 tournament, as special adviser to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation, Warner brokered a deal between the federation and the World Cup team to share the proceeds from their qualification and participation in the event. Warner has since tried to distance himself from that agreement, even though courts have pronounced it valid, and the remarkable upshot is that, while the most famous administrator in the central American region continues to act the Fifa bigwig, pontificating about other nations' World Cup bids, a shameful situation in his own backyard has scandalously been allowed to fester for more than four years.

Warner is no stranger to shameful situations, having been fined by Fifa after his family travel business was exposed as having made an estimated 500,000 from selling 2006 World Cup tickets on the black market. Unsurprisingly the Trinidad & Tobago players were suspicious when their federation said they had only just broken even from their World Cup exploits, and they rejected an initial offer of only 500 per player. Most of the squad instead asked for an independent audit of the TTFF books for the World Cup period; Warner condemned them as "greedy". No such audit was forthcoming, though it was later revealed that revenue had been around 17m, 10 times more than the TTFF first suggested.

When the group of 13 unhappy players attempted to resolve the dispute through the courts, it was agreed instead with the TTFF's full compliance to put the matter in the hands of the London-based Sport Resolutions Dispute Panel. That body overwhelmingly ruled in the players' favour in 2008 but the but the money was still not forthcoming. In July this year the high court in Port of Spain admonished the TTFF for time-wasting, ordered them to honour their bonus agreement, pay the players' legal costs and allow an inspection of the World Cup accounts. A comprehensive victory, one might think except that last week the TTFF lodged an appeal. Their grounds for doing so are unclear. They have missed the deadline for lodging an appeal by 33 days. The TTFF appear to be merely playing for time again.

More than four years and another World Cup have passed since the original dispute and the silence from Fifa is deafening. An ethics panel set up in 2006 has already washed its hands of the affair, claiming it cannot deal with retrospective matters. The Port of Spain court will rule on the grounds for appeal this week.


"Fifa's role in the whole business has been farcical," says Shaka Hislop, the World Cup goalkeeper turned ESPN commentator whose father, George, has been helping keep players in the Caribbean abreast of developments. "It has been quite clear from day one that legally the TTFF haven't a leg to stand on but as soon as we tried to do something to get our money Fifa passed a rule saying players could not take their national associations to court.

"I cannot say I was surprised by the latest decision to appeal. For years now it has been one legal trick after another. My father was a lawyer before he retired so I have an inherent respect for the legal process.

"I imagine that one day, perhaps after a very long wait, we will receive what we are due. But I'm one of the players who can afford to wait. I've had a decent career and the money is less important for me than the principle. But among the 13 are players who have never been on big money, players who have not managed to move beyond the islands to play, and it is a wholly different matter for them. They have been a lot more courageous than me with the stance they have taken. We are looking for justice, first and foremost for those players but also to bring some transparency into the way football is run here. Big changes need to be made."

Mike Townley, the lawyer representing the players from London, argues the changes need to go all the way to the top. "It is outrageous that Fifa are not getting involved," he says. "They seem to have the attitude that it is nothing to do with them but they have an ethics committee, Fifa members are supposed to be governed by a code of ethics and not paying your debts or honouring your contracts is generally considered unethical."

As the original Pirates of the Caribbean used to joke, the code is more what you'd call guidelines anyway. The Trinidad & Tobago players might as well walk the plank for all Fifa care. The only body that can make a complaint to Fifa's ethics committee turns out to be a national football federation in any case. That fact alone tells you everything you need to know.

It is hard to fathom quite why Kenny Dalglish is telling his life story again, 14 years after the last time, when his situation has altered little in between and his adventures at Newcastle and Celtic are not recounted anyway, but at least the old boy has not lost his sense of humour.

One rather awkward episode that My Liverpool Home (Hodder & Stoughton, 19.99) does cover is the sequence of events this summer when the club asked Dalglish to help choose their next manager and he put forward his own name, only to be told he was not wanted.

Acutely embarrassing as that must have been for both parties, Dalglish can smile about it now. "I only wanted to help the club," he says. "That's all I've ever wanted to do. But the club obviously thought the best way for me to help was by not becoming manager."

Although he insists he is fine with that decision, it is possible to surmise Dalglish is not completely fulfilled by his present ambassadorial role at Liverpool. He would not want to be anywhere else, yet his duties are ill-defined and apparently consist mainly of offering encouragement to the younger players at Melwood. That was more or less what Bill Shankly ended up doing before he found himself in the way and began to feel less obtrusive around the corner at Everton's training ground.

Dalglish seems to belong to a different generation from the present crop of sexagenarian managers at the top of the English game. He still looks as if he could play a bit and it is almost a shock to realise he will be 60 next birthday. A love affair is how the book describes his relationship with Liverpool. "That's how I see it," he says. "But it might just be one way."

Paul Wilson guardian.co.uk


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: frico on November 29, 2010, 01:05:50 PM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 01:10:17 PM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago


 :puking:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 29, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Sure Frico, the day ah decide to learn how to tief money ah goh call Jack........all yuh good yes!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: frico on November 29, 2010, 03:25:23 PM
Brownsugar,
Ah not talking bout de teefing coz I cyah prove dat but lehwe focus just on his position,ah sure if you put yuh mind to it you too could become a big man in a World Organization.I always believe half of what I see and nothing of what I hear,meh farda used to always say dat.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on November 29, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 29, 2010, 05:23:26 PM
Brownsugar,
Ah not talking bout de teefing coz I cyah prove dat

YET!!!......stay tuned......

Tell mih something, why the TTFF after 4 years still cyar produced AUDITED accounts for the year 2006??  hhhmmmmmm......where there is smoke there is fire mih boy.....

As for him reaching where he is. I have no problem with hard work and making an honest living.....but if you feel Jack Warner reach where he is because he didn't stab somebody in dey back and yes facking tief, you is....look why de hell I does even bother with you....

I feel you is Camps ya know......Steups!!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 29, 2010, 05:45:17 PM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago

Frico,
             yeah right. A role model!!! manipulate and trample your own people. When the players(Pro-Pioneers) trying to set up a own inter Caribbean pro-league, you read the riot act and tell them he will ask FIFA to ban them. Why because he cyah get peace of the action. For a FIFA man with all the power and bravado, why is his country's football total tou-tou. Frico you know how long jack running TT football. Since about 79. You don't think is time for a f-----g change??????????????????? Because of the democractic institutions in this country, they voted out the PM and installed a new one. Can we say the same about the TTFF special advisor, who was elected by democractic means but runs the TTFF like a f------g dictator. A role model who uses the FIFA mafia to cover his misdeeds and squeeze his countymen's balls.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 29, 2010, 05:53:52 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: jai john on November 29, 2010, 06:25:14 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ?  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ?  :devil:

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 09:09:54 PM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Published: 29 Nov 2010

Fifa Vice President Jack Warner left Trinidad yesterday for Zurich to attend what is arguably the most highly anticipated Fifa Executive Committee meeting of the decade. On December 2, 22 members of Fifas Executive Committee will vote to determine the host nations of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments. Warner, who is the longest serving Vice President of Fifa is considered to be most influential football administrator in the Western Hemisphere. Warner will be in Zurich from the 29th November -3rd December and is scheduled to meet with British Prime Minister David Cameron over lunch. President of the English FA, Prince William has also requested a meeting with the 67-year-old Trinidadian football administrator. Warner is also expected to meet with former US President Bill Clinton as well as with Prime Minister Putin of Russia once again - all of these world leaders will be in Zurich this week to lend support for their various bid teams.

Prime Minister Cameron extended the invitation to the Fifa Vice-President during a telephone conversation two weeks ago. Cameron will be the second British Prime Minister to lobby Warner on the English bids behalf. In November 2009 Warner, who earlier this year was appointed Minister of Works and Transport in Trinidad & Tobagos new Government, also had a private meeting with Gordon Brown. Nelson Mandela also courted Warner, the President of Concacaf, during South Africas successful bid for the 2010 World Cup, travelling to Trinidad in 2004 to meet him. The much sought after Warner is still keeping his cards close to his chest saying I remain undecided as to which nation will get Concacafs vote. Warner described the English Bid as impressive but admitted the competition is stiff for all bidders.

All nations have made impressive presentations. On December 2nd it will come down to who is able to convince the Executive Committee.

I am still undecided as to whom we will support, but the Concacaf family will vote together. I have stated it openly and I will reiterate for the 2022 World Cup, the USA has Concacafs full support. Warner added: The football fraternity has received intense criticism and scrutiny over the last month. Despite the past we must now work together to restore the confidence in the sport and its administrators. The Fifa President was right when he said a few days ago that it was a sad time for football. But nevertheless we must look to the future. The voting process is free, fair and democratic. It is the embodiment of all that is great about our beautiful game. Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be. We understand the importance of the December 2nd vote. The eyes of the world will be watching and I am certain we will all do what is best for the game.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on November 29, 2010, 11:24:52 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ?  :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 30, 2010, 05:39:19 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2010, 06:06:31 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Wedding invitation he gone 2 collect he eh trust TTPOST. Dat is all that is all that is all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on November 30, 2010, 06:14:09 AM
London 'Guardian' questions Warner's word.
T&T Express Reports.


FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, British Prime Minister David Cameron's would-be lunch guest, faces the embarrassment of a high court judgment over his broken promises to Trinidad and Tobago's 2006 World Cup squad, the London Guardian reported yesterday.

The report continued:

Cameron has been attempting to woo Warner, who as CONCACAF president controls three votes in the World Cup 2018 bid process, and had invited him for lunch at No10 Downing Street.

Cameron's office said last week that it had been postponed due to "scheduling difficulties" but that the two hoped to have lunch when they meet in Zurich.

That will enable Warner, who has been a vociferous critic of last night's scheduled Panorama programme on FIFA, to concentrate on the ruling from a judge in Port of Spain over how the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation should redress the string of broken promises he made to the 2006 players over their World Cup bonuses which have still not been received.

And as Cameron seeks Warner's pledge, before Thursday's vote in Zurich, to support England 2018, Shaka Hislop, who was the players' lead negotiator in 2006, believes Warner has not kept his word. England might take note.

"Warner made promises," said Hislop. "We were told we would get 50 per cent of all the commercial money. When we were eventually told what that would be it was TT$5,000 [492.86] a man which we knew it could not be. There were contracts made that we signed with Adidas and a number of other companies around Trinidad and Tobago.

"The TTFF was happy to brag about the size of those contracts. We made our feelings known and questioned Jack Warner's accounting skills. The TTFF is about Warner and almost no one else. I felt very let down. It was our proudest moment as a football nation and once the offer was made of TT$5,000 a man we felt desperately let down. It was a slap in the face of everything we had done and how we had made the country feel."

Pitched into England's 2006 World Cup group, the Soca Warriors were making their first appearance at the tournament finals, drawing with Sweden, losing narrowly to England before bowing out against Paraguay.

Warner, who is described as the "special adviser" to the TTFF and is not on its board, denies the matter has anything to do with him.

"I have nothing to say about that, it is nothing to do with me. I never appeared in court, I never gave a speech about it; it was for the federation. I have nothing to do with that. It doesn't bother me even remotely," he said.

A previous high court judgment found the FIFA vice-president was "at all material times the authority of the TTFF" in the negotiations with players over their World Cup bonuses.

The players believe they should have been due closer to 260,000 each and the high court will rule on Friday whether to force the TTFF to prepare audited accounts of the sums it received in relation to the 2006 World Cup.

The players have also pressed for a US$6m (1.87m) interim payment from the TTFF.

"Anyone who has followed Trinidadian football knows that transparency is a huge issue," said Hislop. "No one knows what comes in and what goes out. There are huge cheques from the government and no one knows what comes in and where it goes."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on November 30, 2010, 08:34:15 AM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago


I am sure hard work and strength has gone into making him the most powerful Trinidadian out there, but don't forget the  heavy dose of ruthlessness, heartlessness and narcissism that is part of his DNA. He has uses his power to keep the status quo going so as to maintain his lofty status. He also found an organization where he could further cultivate and enhance all that he stands for. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on November 30, 2010, 08:49:38 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on November 30, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or even a las lap with Kate!
Title: The Corruption in FIFA - The Jack Warner Story
Post by: Tallman on November 30, 2010, 07:56:16 PM
The Corruption in FIFA - The Jack Warner Story
sportdw.blogspot.com


In the first part of this series, we were introduced to the President of CONCACAF the Trinidadian Jack Warner. Warner was the man who was involved in substituting a mysterious woman the wife of the head of the Jamaican Football Federation into the place of the absent Haitian delegate in the 1996 FIFA Congress.

He is one of Sepp Blatters closest friends and allies in football. A wonderful and loyal friend. He is very competent and I just have to say that Jack is one of the top personalities in the world of football, is how Blatter would describe the controversial Warner.

However, his popularity does not reach quite such heights in his own backyard. In Trinidad, he is described by many as a dictator, who has built his power at the expense of others and who has used his position within FIFA to serve his own financial goals. He has been called a clown and a disgrace by Roy Keane, and is deeply unpopular with the Trinidad and Tobago national team players for reasons we shall see later.

When meeting the Queen at Buckingham Palace, he complained to her that British companies were failing to spend their sponsorship money on football in Trinidad and Tobago. He has supported the corrupt former UNC government in the country, and estimates suggest that through his FIFA connections, he has amassed a fortune of almost 20m.

His first role in football came as the general secretary of the Trinidad Football Association. He immediately entrenched his power by setting up numerous organisations filled with his people, who could exercise voting rights should he come under threat from a competitor. He rapidly spotted a chance for further promotion when he ran for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union, which came with the added prize of a seat on the FIFA Executive Committee.

One of the first instances where Warner came in for criticism over his seemingly insatiable desire to profit from football was back in 1989. Trinidad & Tobago were one result away from their first ever appearance in the World Cup. They needed only a point against the mighty Americans in Port of Spain to reach the global showpiece.

Jack Warner announced that extra tickets would be printed for the game and that alcohol restrictions within the ground would be lifted. The capacity of the stadium was 28,500. The local paper accused Warner of printing over 45,000 tickets.

Due to the crush of people, the ground was opened early. People crowded into the ground, filling every seat and aisle, whilst the bars served a roaring trade. Jack Warner relaxed in the VIP lounge with his pre-match drink, oblivious to the chaos outside.

Thousands of angry fans, who had spent their money on tickets to Trinidads biggest match in living memory, were stuck outside, unable to get into the ground. Opinion turned against Warner, who became the target of the crowds anger. The minibus carrying the Trinidad players was unable to get through the crowd, and in the end, the players had to be carried over the heads of the masses and into the stadium.

In the days following the chaos, Jack Warner had to backtrack on his original report to FIFA where he claimed that he had sold 43k tickets for the match. In a press briefing later, he claimed that they had only sold the 28,500 tickets that the stadium could cope with, and the turnstile figures of 34,834 were clearly wrong.

Soon, the government became involved, appointing an independent commission to look into the events. The words of the head of the commission speak strongly about Warner:
Did Warner believe he was God or merely think he was running the country?

Following the incident, Jack Warner resigned as head of the countrys football association, but had ambitions of a far greater nature. He was in negotiations with Chuck Blazer, commissioner of the American Soccer League, to challenge for the presidency of CONCACAF and become one of the most powerful men in world football.

He eventually won the election with 16 votes compared with 10 against him. Despite the fact that the other candidates had all withdrawn, he was still only able to get just over 60% of the vote.

We now fast forward twelve years to 2001. Jack Warner had managed to manipulate FIFA into awarding the U17 World Cup to Trinidad & Tobago. He named himself chairman of the tournament organising committee, an appointment that was approved by FIFAs six-man finance committee (of which Jack Warner was a senior member) and the executive committee (of which Jack Warner was a vice-president). So, in other words, he appointed and then approved himself to organise a tournament that he had awarded to his home country.

Five new stadia were built by companies linked to associates of Jack Warner. When technical staff from the broadcasting companies visited the new stadia, they discovered that roof beams and cables would obstruct the cameras views of the pitch. When they tried to question Warner and FIFA over this, they were sidelined.

All the food and beverage contracts for the new stadia were awarded to a local restaurant business. Seems legitimate at first glances. However, if we look at the owner of the local business, we find the name Daryan Warner. Jack Warner awarded these lucrative contracts to his son.

The fifteen teams that were travelling in to compete in the tournament needed a travel agency to arrange their flights and accommodation. On the recommendation of Warner, Simpauls Travel service, a family-owned travel agency, was awarded the deal. And which family was it owned by? You guessed it, the Warner family.

That is not all. FIFA were experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The contract was with a company called Semtor, and with the help of Blatter, Warner forced through the deal worth around US$2m. The catch? The project manager for Semtor was none other than Daryan Warner, who picked up a check for US$60k as management liaison between all web initiative consultants.

We now head forward in time again to late 2005. Trinidad & Tobago have just qualified for the World Cup for the first time after Dennis Lawrences header beat Bahrain to send them to Germany. The only way that Trinidadians can get tickets for their teams first round matches? Simpaul Travel Services. The company owned by Jack Warner.

For a hefty fee of 2,730.53, fans would get tickets for the three group stage games and shared accommodation. According to a Trinidad journalist, Simpaul Travel were making a profit of over 1,700 on each package sold. Indeed, the Independent newspaper in England suggested that Warner could make a profit of over 10m on his countrys ticket allocation.

A privately appointed committee was responsible for handling the sponsorship and merchandising for the team. Following a request from a London-based business, they requested a fee of US$80k, plus 5% of gross sales of the proposed merchandise. And who could the representative of this mysterious private committee be? Daryll Warner another of Jacks sons. How convenient.

Indeed, FIFA regulations even stated that packaging tickets with other services is not permitted. So, Warners own company was completely ignoring FIFAs own rules, whilst he was accused selling FIFA tickets for his own personal profit.

And what of the players? They had been promised 50% of the commercial profit revenues during their qualifying matches and their World Cup matches in Germany. Warners own accountant drew up the accounts, but had mysteriously lost the copies of the hotel bills amongst others. No problem. They simply estimated the cost (higher of course), and moved on. He also decided that a third of the sponsorship money was really intended for the 2010 World Cup campaign, thus reducing the total pot by over 360k.

Overall, in excess of TT$173m (17.4m) flowed into the coffers of the Trinidad & Tobago accounts from that campaign, with 50% of the revenues going to the players involved. So, how much did each player receive? A whopping 492.86. Shaka Hislop wrote to Warner complaining that you have continually proven yourself heavily biased and opinionated in this matter. Each player should have received in the region of 260k each. Significantly higher than the almost 500 they were actually offered.

A judgement in the courts concerning that case is expected in the coming hours or days, but it begs the question as to what happened to all the money that seems to have disappeared. Unseen costs? Lost in transit? Or possibly lining the pockets of various officials?

So while Jack Warner has controlled Caribbean football and CONCACAF with his almost dictator-like reign, he and his sons and friends have all been doing very nicely out of the money that should have been invested in football in Trinidad and the local fans. Is this really the type of man that we want in a senior position of power in the beautiful game?

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2010, 08:38:35 PM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or even a las lap with Kate!

 :rotfl:
Title: Warner hands England bid boost
Post by: maxg on November 30, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=847616&sec=global&cc=5901

ESPNsoccernet: Global 

Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Warner hands England bid boost


FIFA powerbroker Jack Warner has handed England's 2018 World Cup bid a significant boost after meeting Prime Minister David Cameron by praising English football's international development work.
Jack Warner (pictured with Sepp Blatter) is said to be key to England's bid. (GettyImages)
 


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Warner had a 20-minute meeting in a suite in Zurich's Baur au Lac hotel at which England 2018's David Dein was also present.

The FIFA vice-president, who is also a senior government minister in his native Trinidad, talked about the changing global political climate as well as England's bid. Warner's vote is pivotal to England's hopes - as president of CONCACAF he should be able to deliver a block of three votes to one bid.

Warner said: ''The British Prime Minister understands the importance and power of football. He reiterated his government's commitment to the World Cup and spoke extensively about England's legacy programme.

''A World Cup isn't a one-off event. It is an investment in a country and its people. It is an event which must be seen as a catalyst for social transformation in any nation. The power of football to unite the world can never and should never be underestimated.

''Prime Minister Cameron articulated and reaffirmed England's support to the developing football nations. Over the last decade England has supported not only CONCACAF but all federations in their development activities and I must commend the Prime Minister and the FA for that.''

Cameron also met FIFA executive committee members Marios Lefkaritis and Mohammed bin Hammam as well as the Emir of Qatar.

After meeting Cameron, Warner spoke to USA president Barack Obama on the phone and guaranteed his support for USA's 2022 bid.

Warner added: ''President Obama understands the importance of sport but more importantly he understands the global appeal of football and all this beautiful game represents.

''President Obama commended CONCACAF on all it has achieved under my leadership and I thanked him for his kind sentiments. He emphasised the fact that the US is ready to host this World Cup and that his government is fully behind the bid team.

''He asked for my support in their quest to host the World Cup in 2022. It is a request which I will acquiesce to. The CONCACAF family remains united behind its own, the US is our member. Like the principles of our game we cannot turn our back on our family. I will say it again for the 2022 World Cup CONCACAF is behind the USA.''



Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 01, 2010, 05:12:19 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 01, 2010, 05:15:47 AM
Warner gives Obama nod for US World Cup
By WALTER ALIBEY (Newsday).


UNITED States (US) President Barack Obama held talks with vice president of FIFA Jack Warner yesterday, after which Warner pledged his support for the US bid to host the 2022 World Cup.

Obamas discussions with Warner, FIFAs longest serving vice president, came via telephone soon after Warner met with British Prime Minister David Cameron in Zurich, Switzerland at the Baur au Lac Hotel, not too far from FIFAs headquarters where voting will take place tomorrow.

Warner, the Works and Transport Minister in the Peoples Partnership Government, holds the power of three crucial CONCACAF votes which would determine the hosts of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

Talks with Obama came as a major boost for the US, CONCACAF football giants, as Warner had already held audiences with former US president Bill Clinton. He also met with Obama in the US on July 27, 2009. Concerning the US bid, the 67-year-old Warner stated publicly that CONCACAF had already committed itself to support the Americans. The CONCACAF family remains committed behind its own, Warner said.

The US is in a toss-up with Japan, Australia, Qatar and South Korea for the 2022 World Cup while England is facing stiff competition for the right to stage the 2018 tournament by Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Russia.

The US hosted the World Cup back in 1994 when their team was booted out in the round of 16 by the eventual winners Brazil. Should the US be given the chance to host the 2022 World Cup there would be a lot more to gain with their team making regular appearances at the quarter-final rounds of subsequent World Cups and their economy in dire need of a boost.

Warner, who is also a long serving president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), described talks with Obama as enlightening and added the US President not only understood the power of sport but also the global appeal for football. (See Page 46A)

Obama later commended CONCACAF and all it achieved under the leadership of Warner and stated his country is ready to host the 2022 World Cup.

Meanwhile, Warner expressed his pleasure with the England bid in an earlier release but noted the final outcome would depend on which country could convince the FIFA executive committee the most tomorrow.

Warner met with Prince William over the past three days before his talks in Zurich with Cameron yesterday. According to a statement, Warner and Cameron spoke on a number of issues, among which was the changing global political climate, apart from the 2018 World Cup. Afterwards both men exchanged phone numbers.After the meeting, Warner, who is also Special Adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), said Cameron reiterated his governments commitment to the World Cup.

He described Englands bid as a legacy programme and said a World Cup was not a one-off event but an investment in a country and its people.

According to Warner, Cameron reaffirmed his countrys support to developing football nations, a job England has done by assisting not only CONCACAF but regional federations in the past through the English Football Association. (FA).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on December 01, 2010, 05:46:51 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
         :rotfl: Is not only the English,why you so hard on them,USA and Russia doing the same thing,you not seeing the big picture it's more than just Football,check the politics involved.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 01, 2010, 05:49:30 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
         :rotfl: Is not only the English,why you so hard on them,USA and Russia doing the same thing,you not seeing the big picture it's more than just Football,check the politics involved.

Oh gorm man Coop's you self...is ENGLAND!!!  There shouldn't even be a contest.... ::)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: JDB on December 01, 2010, 06:54:06 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....

They have to grovel. These bids have little to do with infrastructure and actual readiness.

The English fighting a losing battle. the funny thing is nobody talking about 2022. By rights it should be USA or Australia but Qatar have a deal cut for those supporting Spain in 2018 to support them in 2022.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on December 01, 2010, 07:11:04 AM
What a splendid ambassador for our country.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on December 01, 2010, 07:11:59 AM
Jack Warner have these grown arse men dance like puppets to the beat of his drum and just doing all kinds of things just tuh be considered for the World Cup. Fascinating but so pitiful! I wonder if some of it is payback. I am sure dey hate his black arse more than we do!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on December 01, 2010, 07:16:52 AM
What a splendid ambassador for our country.

When u use frico dictionary and u look up Role Model a picture of Jack does pop up.
Title: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Trini _2026 on December 07, 2010, 01:14:02 PM
Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Jamaica Gleaner
Audley Boyd, Assistant Editor - Sport
FORT-DE-FRANCE, Martinique


The Reggae Boyz have come in for some stinging criticism from regional football boss Austin 'Jack' Warner for their stance against the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) during the just-concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup.

Additionally, he has promised to change current regulations to facilitate the replacement of players in future tournaments, should such a situation arise again.

After beating Antigua and Barbuda 2-0 in their opening match, the Jamaican team issued the JFF an ultimatum to be paid total per diem of US$1,200 plus 80 percent of any cash prize won, or they would have withdrawn.

However, Captain Horace Burrell, president of the cash-strapped JFF, used his own funds to meet their per diem demands.

Speaking to the local media here after Jamaica won the title, Warner, who is the CONCACAF and Caribbean Football Union president, said: "First of all, I congratulate Jamaica on their success."

Afterwards, he lambasted the Jamaica football team, saying, "national pride must take precedence over mercenary feelings."

"I have felt in many ways the pain of Captain Burrell, because what he had to go through to reach this stage, for me it was tough," said Warner.

"To be held to ransom, and in my humble view, to be blackmailed by a team is unacceptable, and I want to say to you that the pain he has felt I feel for him, for the Caribbean, because it is a precedent that will be set in the Caribbean, unless we begin to stop it at this point in time."

Continuing Warner, who is also a FIFA vice-president, said: "In fact, I have told him even the rules shall be amended to facilitate countries bringing in teams at the last minute that face this situation.

"National pride must take precedence over money. National pride must take precedence over mercenary feelings and in that context, therefore, I'm pained. But at the end of the day, Captain stood up as a big man and he has saved the day; and today, Jamaica and the whole Caribbean are happy, not because Guadeloupe have lost, but because in my humble view, a bona fide country has won and therefore football in the Caribbean has been saved, also."

Warner, who made the championship presentation, said: "Guadeloupe put up a very good game. In fact, I would challenge any country in CONCACAF to play against Guadeloupe and believe it is a walkover."

Jamaica earned US$120,000 for retaining the title - their fifth overall - and Warner says it will be disbursed to the JFF within 15 days.

"Normally it (prize money) takes 30 days, but I will pay in 15 days because all he (Burrell) has to get is about US$14,000, and if those guys were so desperate. And by the way, the guys who are desperate are the guys who make the most money in football, not local Jamaicans you know. Before they die, I will pay it in 15 days so as to save their lives," said Warner.

The Trinidad and Tobago Transport Minister also commented on his team's performance, saying they will have to 'restructure.'

Regional championship

With eight titles, the Trinidadians have won the regional championship the most, but they were eliminated in the group round-robin phase.

"We played badly and we paid the price for playing badly," observed Warner. "Trinidad and Tobago now has to sit down and restructure its football. A meeting has been called for December 11 with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and I'll be there. We're going to look at the football and see what are the short-term and long-term plans."

He added: "We can't continue the way we are going, and we can't survive if even we get four places in the World Cup, as I believe we will get. We will not, of course, survive on the present team we have, or the structure or system we have, and therefore we have to sit down ..."
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2010, 02:15:39 PM
LOUDDDDDDDDDDD
STEUPSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: injunchile on December 07, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
December 11th is DDay for Latapy
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Peong on December 07, 2010, 02:39:07 PM
Of course Warner doh like dat, crooks doh like to pay out money.
f**k off Jack Warner, f**k de f**k off.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: 100% Barataria on December 07, 2010, 02:53:59 PM
Why yuh doh hush yuh cyao Warner, people really does geh tie up w/$$ and position yes, all ah we bleed, but lookin at Warner maybe he from anodder planet
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: KND2 on December 07, 2010, 03:51:30 PM
How about a rule that require a federation to post a bond to ensure players salaries can be paid.

how you could have teams in a tournament and the federation not paying the players. They should not be allowed to enter in the first place.

and who does he side with??

The federation.

That is why jamaican people will always be more sucessful than Trini people.

They dont take shit.

If in 2006 leading up to the world cup the players did say give we the addidas money now!

and threaten not to play in the games in the world cup they would have got they money.

and we would not have been in this situation right now.


You have to know who you dealing with.

Jack willing to go hook and crook to ensure the federation rights are protected but he will not lift a finger to help the men who people paying to see.


What else you expect if you have a man who never kick a ball in he life in charge of football.

He vex because the players expect to get paid why he dont go to Digicel and tell then we dont want no sponsorship money because FIFA have enough money to bank roll the games. Just put your name for Free.

We go take the money later when we have a chance.


If I was a jamaican player after they pay the money I still would not play, just to spite them.


Players and players interest should come first!

 
Title: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Socapro on December 07, 2010, 04:01:44 PM
Story from the UK Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/07/jack-warner-2018-world-cup-fifa

Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat

The controversial Fifa executive committee member Jack Warner today broke his silence on the contested 2018 World Cup vote when he said voting for England would have been "the ultimate insult" to Fifa in the wake of British media allegations of corruption.

England 2018 insiders claim Warner, pivotal to their chances of success and wooed by David Beckham and successive prime ministers, promised the three votes under his control to England before voting for Russia. But the Concacaf president said the revelations in the Sunday Times and Panorama were the reason England polled only two of the 22 votes available and were knocked out in the first round.

Three days before the vote, Panorama accused three Fifa executive committee members of bribery and alleged Warner tried to supply ticket touts at the 2010 World Cup. He had previously been admonished by Fifa's ethics committee over ticket deals for the 2006 tournament and has faced a host of other allegations of impropriety.

"Suffice it to say the Fifa exco as a body could not have voted for England having been insulted by their media in the worst possible way at the same time. To do so would have been the ultimate insult [to Fifa]," said Warner.

It is understood the Fifa president Sepp Blatter raised the issue of the "evil" media coverage of Fifa just hours before the vote and England's rivals, including the Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin and influential Spanish ex-co member Angel Mara Villar Llona, played heavily on it.

Some on England's bid team believe the revelatory media exposes, which they tried desperately to disassociate themselves from, were a factor but others believe that the issue became an convenient excuse for Fifa members to switch their votes for other reasons.

Japan's Junji Ogura said the investigations, which led to the suspension of six senior Fifa officials including two executive committee members in the case of the Sunday Times, had an impact.

"What I can say is that the reports definitely had an impact on the England bid. There's no mistake about that," said Ogura, heavily courted by England but believed to have backed Russia.

Ogura said his colleagues were angry at the Sunday Times sting on Nigeria's Amos Adamu and Tahiti's Reynald Temarii. "The African members of the executive committee were furious over the Sunday Times report," Ogura said.

"They even suggested suing the paper at the executive committee meeting. The people being accused were from Africa and Oceania, not Europe or Asia, and some felt racism was behind it."

The head of Australia's failed 2022 bid Frank Lowy said "playing straight" may have cost them the World Cup, adding that Fifa members lied to them about their voting intentions.

"I wanted to give credit to Australia and not to get caught in some kind of shonky business, and I can assure you now that we didn't do anything that was improper in this whole period," said Lowy.

"Did that cost us the bid? Maybe. I don't know, I'm not sure. But we are straight and we wanted to play it straight."

Jerome Valcke, the Fifa secretary general who oversaw the voting process, again defended the secret ballot system.

"If we say yes, yes it does not work, we would recognise something went wrong," said Valcke, speaking in Abu Dhabi ahead of tomorrow's opening match of the Club World Cup. "I'm sorry to say we have organised a voting system which was very transparent.

"If the question is it's not transparent because you don't know who voted for whom, you will never know for whom I voted for between Nicolas Sarkozy and Segolene Royal three years ago when the election took place. I will not tell because that is my freedom to decide for whom I voted without having to say publicly my choice."

Valcke, under pressure as the man who recommended that both World Cups be decided at once for commercial reasons, has already indicated that Fifa will not bow to pressure to overhaul the voting system or expand the electorate.

He said Fifa had until 2018 to decide if it "should or [should] not change" the way host countries are decided. But he said last week's vote was "perfectly organised, perfectly transparent and perfectly under control."
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Socapro on December 07, 2010, 04:40:24 PM
Jack trying to move the spotlight of guilt for England's failed 2018 World Cup hosting bid from himself & onto to Andrew Jennings!  ;)

This video is one of the reasons why he's trying to setup Jennings!
Jack wants Jennings to asked his mother! 8)

http://www.youtube.com/v/0puFaKUg56I
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: vb on December 07, 2010, 04:46:53 PM
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.

The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.

So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.

I might understand if the reports were erroneous.

Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.

VB
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 07, 2010, 04:47:47 PM
So Jack you are saying dont care what wrong you or FIFA do nobody must do or say anything about it what a shame .
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Bakes on December 07, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.

The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.

So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.

I might understand if the reports were erroneous.

Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.

VB

Erroneous or not, awarding the WC isn't about the press, it's about who presents the best bid.  Why would you look past a bid because of what a free (from FA/government control) media decides to do?  Why would you punish the people of England who waiting nearly 60 yrs for the chance to host a WC?


....unless of course is just bullshit rationalizing (and excuse-making) after the fact.



p.s. Flex already post this article in the other thread btw.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: pecan on December 07, 2010, 04:55:44 PM
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.

The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.

So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.

I might understand if the reports were erroneous.

Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.

VB

Erroneous or not, awarding the WC isn't about the press, it's about who presents the best bid.  Why would you look past a bid because of what a free (from FA/government control) media decides to do?  Why would you punish the people of England who waiting nearly 60 yrs for the chance to host a WC?


....unless of course is just bullshit rationalizing (and excuse-making) after the fact.



p.s. Flex already post this article in the other thread btw.

I think you hit the nail on the head here.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: frico on December 07, 2010, 04:57:44 PM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Deeks on December 07, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Unfortunately these set of warriors eh reach the boilin' point. But honestly I don't believe these guys eh get paid. jack put that out in the media to confuse people. If that non payment  is true then them is some real mama-poule.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Blue on December 07, 2010, 05:57:18 PM
Jack relly gone and f**ked things up wid dis statement.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: fatimarima on December 07, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
Congrats to JA on their victory and I applaud the players for taking a stand.  All football federations need to pay the players up front and stop playin dee ass.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Socapro on December 07, 2010, 06:52:19 PM
Jack relly gone and f**ked things up wid dis statement.

So yuh doh reckon its an honest statement?

Lets credit the man for once if he's being honest nah!  ;)
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Cocorite on December 07, 2010, 07:00:20 PM
And this is one of the richest men in the area talking eh. . .
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: royal on December 07, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
is only Warner is allowed to ask for money........no one else.Everyone else is a mercenary.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: grskywalker on December 07, 2010, 08:36:42 PM
I am shamed by Jack OMG "ASK YOUR MOTHER" (tnt translation: ask yuh mudder #$#%@) :rotfl:

Jack boy yuh take the cake oui
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: davidephraim on December 07, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 07, 2010, 09:25:14 PM
Ah wonder what other countries think about Trinbago having Jack as a Minister in the government knowing the kind of man he is and not like the people dont know they still elect him anyhow .
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2010, 09:27:54 PM
Ah wonder what other countries think about Trinbago having Jack as a Minister in the government knowing the kind of man he is and not like the people dont know they still elect him anyhow .

Dat we iz a 2x4 BANANA REPUBLIC
Title: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: coachman on December 07, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2010, 09:40:29 PM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.

 :rotfl: 4 D JOKES SECTION
Title: Re: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: Bourbon on December 07, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.



Well we not too certain to be honest. Really and truly..when Jack not around..nothing does get done. Ollie camps was holding a piss since Jack went to zurich cuz he wasnt sure if he coulda go and use the toilet.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Babalawo on December 08, 2010, 12:28:47 AM
i posted this earlier.  Who deleted my thread??
Title: Re: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 08, 2010, 04:34:24 AM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.



Well we not too certain to be honest. Really and truly..when Jack not around..nothing does get done. Ollie camps was holding a piss since Jack went to zurich cuz he wasnt sure if he coulda go and use the toilet.

 :heehee: :heehee:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Observer on December 08, 2010, 08:07:50 AM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: JDB on December 08, 2010, 08:21:33 AM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.

Allyuh eating the horse shit that Jack feeding yuh. The bids were that far apart in what they offered that this could never be the difference between the bids. If FIFA say that "new frontier" was the driving force thwn England could never compete with Russia no matter what the press does. If the press was a big problem what the US and Aussie press do to lose to Qatar?

The irony of Jack calling out the Press is that people have been noting that Russia and Qatar have some of the most oppressed Press Associations in the World. With these two bids being the ones that will have the most money being spent andthe ones that bend over backwards to please FIFA the lack of press freedom suits FIFa just fine. So maybe Jack right when he say the press lost them the bid.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 08, 2010, 09:40:49 AM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.

I'm starting to realise that there are people here who just don't understand a free press. If the English FA tried to muzzle the panorama programme, they would have to get a court injunction, and there is no law that says a World Cup bid must be protected. I suspect high level requests were made, but the BBC made their decision. Personally, myself and millions of English people would have preferred the programme didn't go out that week. However, programme makers want high viewing figures, which is what they got. Unlike Russia or Qatar, England enjoys a free press, a right that many people died for, and are still dying or are imprisoned for. You can't pick and choose when it suits you to have this freedom. Personally, given the choice, I would choose a free press over a World Cup anyday. And it will be a free press that brings down Warner one day. The press in T&T is growing stronger and braver. They will ask harder questions in the future. Liburd sets the standard and others are trying to follow.
This media excuse is rubbish. But it exposes FIFAs fear of transparency. Apparently, FIFA stands for "Fee for this, fee for that" 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on December 08, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat

http://www.youtube.com/v/1DtcG_jwt5Y
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 08, 2010, 11:36:59 AM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW

He didn't choke on the words??!!  Damn.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on December 08, 2010, 09:55:51 PM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW

He didn't choke on the words??!!  Damn.....

JACK PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 08, 2010, 10:07:45 PM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW

He didn't choke on the words??!!  Damn.....

JACK PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Well yes I never!! Jack rell Palancing yes!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 09, 2010, 04:36:32 AM
So, to sum up, he never voted for England because English journalists insulted him. Oh, and by the way, Russia won because its FIFAs policy to take football to new markets.

So, which is the reason, then Jack? Because if its the 2nd one, why mention the 1st? And if its the 2nd one, why didn't FIFA state that 2 years ago when the bids were launched? That way, England, Spain and USA could have saved their millions as they would never have a chance. And Holland/Belgium probably didn't need to bid either. Countries like Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Greece could have bid in the knowledge that their infastructure wouldn't be compared to England, Spain etc.

So does this also mean that Western European nations will never hold a world cup? Nor Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico, U.S.A.?  Could be seeing a Canadian world cup in 2026!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 09, 2010, 06:57:22 AM
Not sure who the English now hate more between these two men!!

Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
http://www.youtube.com/v/1DtcG_jwt5Y
[/quote]

President Mugabe shows scorn for ex-British PM Gordon Brown
http://www.youtube.com/v/pWbcBSKQNl0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 09, 2010, 08:34:14 PM
This video gives a nice summary of Jack's career!

http://www.youtube.com/v/s5TY2matx8A
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 09, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
This video was made over 2 years ago regards the possiblity of us qualifying for SA 2010!

http://www.youtube.com/v/YX8rX07fNEU

Unfortunately we did not qualify and our football now looks in an even worse state than it was back then!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 09, 2010, 09:18:50 PM
People like Jack would kill  people and would not see notting wrong in what they did , colddd bloodded . 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 10, 2010, 03:13:07 AM
That last video was very good. Its amazing to hear Jack saying with surprise that people want to see TTFF accounts. Yes, Jack, we do want to see how much you've spent. Because if that money was poorly managed, the officers should be fired. If the money was illegally spent, the officers should be imprisoned. And, Jack, if you had any part in misappropriating funds, you should be sacked as minister, sacked as FIFA VP, sacked as President of CONCACAF and CFU, resign as an MP, and face legal charges.

Yes, T&T is a land of contrasts, like most other countries. If you're honest and successful the people will love you. But if you steal from the people and weaken the things they love (such as football), you will be hated and never forgiven.

I sometimes believe that Jack doesn't realise or like the fact that T&T is a developing country. He wants 1st world status but acts in a 3rd world manner and expects the law and media to move the same way.

Your days are numbered Jack. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 22, 2010, 05:18:01 AM
Warner unopposed for CFU top post
T&T Guardian Reports.
Published: Wed, 2010-12-22 20:45

 
Warner has been President since 1982. Fifa vice-president, Jack Austin Warner has been nominated unopposed for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). This means that Warner, Minister of Works and Transport, will be elected for the eighth consecutive term as president of the regions governing body of football. All remaining incumbent members of the executive committee have also been nominated unchallenged in their current capacities.

Nominations for posts within the Executive Committee of the CFU closed at 4 pm on Monday. In a demonstration of the ongoing stability and unity within the CFU that has characterised his presidency, Warner received multiple nominations from the CFUs diverse membership of 30 nations.  Warner, who has served as the president of the CFU since its inception in 1982, has described the development as both humbling and invigorating.

In accepting the nomination, Warner said, I am humbled today by the trust bestowed upon me by my Caribbean brothers and sisters; this trust that you, my family, has placed upon me has invigorated my spirit and my soul to continue to serve you to the best of my ability.  For over 40 years of my life I have served this sport but I cannot and I will never personalise the sequence of events.  I now bear with the other members of this Executive Committee the task of implementing the mandate set by you, the members of this great and promising Union.

Continuing, Warner stated that we are a young institution and our environment is dynamic, but our dreams and our visions have remained the same.  Our Union has risen above numerous challenges, we have braved the storms, we have sailed on sometimes uncertain seas but our commitment to a vision of improving Caribbean Football remains our compass. It is this commitment that is our beacon which shines through the mists of ambiguity and allows us to guide our ship to a brighter and better tomorrow.  While we are still confronted by numerous challenges, our capacity and our love for the sport have remained undaunted. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better future; to carry forward the principles of our sport: That all are equal, all are free, and together this team, which is not only the members of this Committee, but this team made up of every member of every Federation will work hand in hand for a better tomorrow.

He also reaffirmed his commitment to the task at hand. He said: We embark on a journey for the next four years. The task ahead of us is challenging, and we the members of this Committee need all hands on deck. All talent, all wisdom, each and every one must take an active part in guiding our Union to a better tomorrow. We must never allow the seeds of separation to germinate within our family. Its time to build a future together which we can all share, hold pride in; and I look forward to once again working with every member as we embark on yet another chapter of the great book of the CFU.

In addition to Warner, the nominations for the upcoming CFU elections are: Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaican Football Federation (1st vice-president of CFU); Colin Klass, President of the Guyana Football Federation (2nd vice-president of CFU); and CFU Executive Committee Members  Victor Daniel, general secretary of the Grenada Football Association; Luis Hernandez, president of the Cuban Football Association, Yves Jean Bart, president of the Haitian Football Federation and  Lionel Haven, general secretary of the Bahamas Football Association.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 22, 2010, 06:28:50 AM
Warner unopposed for CFU top post
T&T Guardian Reports.
Published: Wed, 2010-12-22 20:45

 
Warner has been President since 1982. Fifa vice-president, Jack Austin Warner has been nominated unopposed for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). This means that Warner, Minister of Works and Transport, will be elected for the eighth consecutive term as president of the regions governing body of football. All remaining incumbent members of the executive committee have also been nominated unchallenged in their current capacities.

Nominations for posts within the Executive Committee of the CFU closed at 4 pm on Monday. In a demonstration of the ongoing stability and unity within the CFU that has characterised his presidency, Warner received multiple nominations from the CFUs diverse membership of 30 nations.  Warner, who has served as the president of the CFU since its inception in 1982, has described the development as both humbling and invigorating.

In accepting the nomination, Warner said, I am humbled today by the trust bestowed upon me by my Caribbean brothers and sisters; this trust that you, my family, has placed upon me has invigorated my spirit and my soul to continue to serve you to the best of my ability.  For over 40 years of my life I have served this sport but I cannot and I will never personalise the sequence of events.  I now bear with the other members of this Executive Committee the task of implementing the mandate set by you, the members of this great and promising Union.

Continuing, Warner stated that we are a young institution and our environment is dynamic, but our dreams and our visions have remained the same.  Our Union has risen above numerous challenges, we have braved the storms, we have sailed on sometimes uncertain seas but our commitment to a vision of improving Caribbean Football remains our compass. It is this commitment that is our beacon which shines through the mists of ambiguity and allows us to guide our ship to a brighter and better tomorrow.  While we are still confronted by numerous challenges, our capacity and our love for the sport have remained undaunted. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better future; to carry forward the principles of our sport: That all are equal, all are free, and together this team, which is not only the members of this Committee, but this team made up of every member of every Federation will work hand in hand for a better tomorrow.

He also reaffirmed his commitment to the task at hand. He said: We embark on a journey for the next four years. The task ahead of us is challenging, and we the members of this Committee need all hands on deck. All talent, all wisdom, each and every one must take an active part in guiding our Union to a better tomorrow. We must never allow the seeds of separation to germinate within our family. Its time to build a future together which we can all share, hold pride in; and I look forward to once again working with every member as we embark on yet another chapter of the great book of the CFU.

In addition to Warner, the nominations for the upcoming CFU elections are: Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaican Football Federation (1st vice-president of CFU); Colin Klass, President of the Guyana Football Federation (2nd vice-president of CFU); and CFU Executive Committee Members  Victor Daniel, general secretary of the Grenada Football Association; Luis Hernandez, president of the Cuban Football Association, Yves Jean Bart, president of the Haitian Football Federation and  Lionel Haven, general secretary of the Bahamas Football Association.

Jackula real have we Caribbean people in a trance yes!!
One bite and you are a slave for life!  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on January 22, 2011, 09:58:35 AM
JACK TO PAY $7.5M
By AZARD ALI Saturday, January 22 2011

A COMPANY primarily owned by Works Minister Jack Warner yesterday lost a $7.5 million lawsuit in the High Court to a contractor who was commissioned to construct the hotel, Emerald Plaza, St Augustine.

The company, Le Sportel Ltd, was ordered to pay Docs Engineering Works (1992) Ltd (DEW) $7,549,769.75 in damages for breach of contract in a judgement handed down in the San Fernando High Court by Justice Joseph Tam.

Le Sportel is a company owned by Warner and his family, and in 1999 it contracted DEW to construct Emerald Plaza at a cost of $11,962,500. In ruling against Le Sportel, Tam said, I reject the evidence of the defendant.

Le Sportel terminated the contract in January 2001 on the basis of defective works and failure of DEW to meet contractual deadlines. Le Sportel also alleged DEW did not use appropriate materials on the project.

DEW, a construction company owned by Shymdeo Gosine and based in Point Lisas, began building Emerald Plaza, a first class hotel for international visitors . Emerald Plaza also houses several shopping stores. When in January 2001, Le Sportel terminated DEWs contract, the latter sued for breach of contract and contended the allegation that it had delayed the project was untrue.

Emerald Plaza was eventually built by another contractor.

The issue in the case was whether DEW met its contractual obligations to Le Sportel.

When DEW filed the lawsuit, Le Sportel responded by filing a counter claim against DEW for remedial works, damages for delay, and resulting lost of income for rental of the rooms and business that were to be housed in Emerald Plaza.

The trial lasted 21 days in which Warner give evidence on behalf of Le Sportel.

Tam finally gave his ruling yesterday and apologised for the delay, saying the trial took 21 days and there were 2,000 pages of evidence to read. Attorney Prakash Deonarine, Richard Jagai and Susan Mulchan represented DEW. Senior Counsels Standley Marcus and Avery Sinanan argued the case for Le Sportel.

In an oral judgment yesterday, Tam recalled Warner had given evidence on behalf of Le Sportel on the issue of why his company terminated the contract with DEW, but the judge found that DEW was not at fault. Tam said, The defendant (Le Sportel) never called its project clerk of works, who would have been the person day-to-day on the project, to give evidence on the quality of works. I reject the evidence of the defendant.

Le Sportel also claimed DEW should pay damages for the delay because of a penalty clause in the contract. However, the judge commented, Mr Warner said there was a concluded agreement of a penalty clause. But from the documents, there was no evidence of such.

Tam ordered Le Sportel to pay DEW $4,902,478.90 plus interest at the rate of six percent from the date of the filing of the lawsuit in 2001. The total amount is $7,549,769.75. Le Sportel was also ordered to pay DEWs legal cost fit for two attorneys.

Le Sportel in its counter claim was asking the court for DEW to pay $3.5 million for remedial works and another $3.2 million in damages. A further $1.2 million was also being asked for by Le Sportel for monies lost in the rental of rooms and stores at Emerald Plaza as a result of the delayed project. Justice Tam threw out those claims.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: RGarcia on January 22, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
 :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on January 24, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on January 25, 2011, 12:37:18 AM
Yeah, he probably choked when he lost his court case!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2011, 12:54:53 AM
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues

Somebody probably secretly hang ah string ah garlic arung he neck.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Die_Hard on January 25, 2011, 01:04:28 AM
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues

Somebody probably secretly hang ah string ah garlic arung he neck.

Oh my goodness.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: theworm2345 on January 26, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on January 27, 2011, 12:17:30 AM
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.

And thats all they have in common!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 27, 2011, 06:30:16 PM
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.

And thats all they have in common!!!!!

Nah man; Aquarius people are some of the most successful people at what they do out there. I am not talking about the quality of human being just their ability to acheive personal success. Their single mindedness as well as there ability to stay emotionally detached are a couple of reasons. I think Jack and Jose are equally ruthless in their efforts to attain their personal goals.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Babalawo on February 09, 2011, 11:42:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vZbB7_1NX0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on February 10, 2011, 08:10:59 AM
Quality. Great 2nd goal by Stern.  Nice to see the guys not afraid to shoot from distance. Thats the impact of playing with confidence and not being afraid to miss. (And, of course, knowing you'll get paid!!)
Title: Interesting.
Post by: Die_Hard on February 17, 2011, 12:04:49 AM
http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=34164

Again???

Jack Warner Faces FIFA Ethics Committee Ticketing Probe
Title: Re: Interesting.
Post by: Football supporter on February 17, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
I think its fairly obvious which member of the FIFA executive committee raised the matter.....the same guy who was promised Jacks votes in the World Cup bid, along with his prime minister and future king!!!

What goes around, comes around!!

But seriously, if Jack is found in any way to be involved in anything underhand, it will be very difficult for him to retain his ministerial role, as Kamla has declared she will not tolerate any form of corruption or financial law breaking.

Even more interesting is that later today, the judge will give his next set of rulings which may include investigations of TTFF's books. It will be very difficult to play the FIFA "govt can't get involved" card if they are investigating the same person, who has already been found guilty by FIFA of a financial wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Interesting.
Post by: AB.Trini on February 17, 2011, 01:18:52 AM
I think its fairly obvious which member of the FIFA executive committee raised the matter.....the same guy who was promised Jacks votes in the World Cup bid, along with his prime minister and future king!!!

What goes around, comes around!!

But seriously, if Jack is found in any way to be involved in anything underhand, it will be very difficult for him to retain his ministerial role, as Kamla has declared she will not tolerate any form of corruption or financial law breaking.

Even more interesting is that later today, the judge will give his next set of rulings which may include investigations of TTFF's books. It will be very difficult to play the FIFA "govt can't get involved" card if they are investigating the same person, who has already been found guilty by FIFA of a financial wrongdoing.
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From some  quarters, 'talk' has proven to be cheap' It leaves to be seen if a political action will speak louder than  mere words. Unlike Egypt, we allow our pharaohs to rise form the ashes and to continue to soar to unbelievable heights even if it  at the expense of the  multitudes. We are not ready to sit all day in the hot sun or jump and wave in the pouring rain in Woodford Square to demand an end to tyrannical rule; we will reserved our energies and our jump and wave  for carnival, fetes and liming.

Nevertheless, allegations of indiscretionary practices have been running rampant on this forum  for some time now. What has always been an area of interest in FIFA and the world of football is an undercurrent of  alleged bribery and  match fixing. We need not go abroad to see what has occurred; our WC campaign is still one filled with what appears to be blunders and a comedy of errors of such gigantic proportions that our demise in the Caribbean football arena has left us a laughing stock and onlookers  at the Gold Cup.

If one was to review our 2010 WC campaign, one could conceivably  view the 'black list ' as a convenient ploy to keep our best players from representing and producing the results to move forward. Additionally the hiring of a novice coach to  guide a  team at its most crucial time of qualifications is blatant incompetence or part of a greater master plan scheme. What reasonable coach would  be so silent and non responsive in light of  public outcry for the ineptitude of the team's performance at the Digicel Cup.

To show how political talk is sometimes equated to non action, consider a minister of sports, proclaiming that if the Warriors did not qualify for the Gold Cup, the coach would be relived of his position. How has that proclamation been fulfilled? additional lies, fabrication of alleged  high profile coach's accepting the job have been filling the press waves and deflecting us from the severity of  wrongs that have not been righted or addressed as per our last WC campaign. What becomes of a review of the reports as presented by the technical staff following our failures in the WC campaign and the Caribbean Cup?

The selection of  ill prepared, and  players with limited experience for this level of play are just some of the atrocities that flamed the demise of what was suppose to be another WC appearance for TnT. Apparently it was not our turn this time; the laws of average or the back door deals dictated other plans.

Is there a similar ethics committee in TnT to examine the spending of government funds once it has been allocated to sporting bodies? I believe there are still funds unaccounted for yet some continue to heap praise and support  unethical practices of some. Should we risk a guess as to which ministry has the largest budget?

No one wishes hell nor damnation on another but when others profit and the multitudes suffer, redemption time must prevail.  Seriously, if these allegations are proven to be true, where does that leave us to know that a political figure, a minister may be unethical in one aspect of governance but true to electorates and to his Prime minister in another light? One cannot always live by producing a low product and profiting high!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on February 17, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
The shocking thing is....I actually like Jack Warner being minister of works & transport! He actually seems to care and shows some good thinking. Maybe I just don't care if he squeezes a little change from these projects?

But such is the fabric of life that I DO care if people take money from sport. Every $ can be used in some small way to benefit youth development, provide improved facilities etc.

I really can see the day when the whole system collapses, all the old school are removed and a new administration is put in place. If, as A.B. suggests, a committee is formed to look at football in T&T, they will have no choice but to recommend a total restructuring. And if Jack is gone, trust me, the English F.A. will provide assistance in rebuilding the T&T football administration into a more transparent and effective organisation. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2011, 07:57:22 AM
Kamla ain't doing a damn thing if Jack get ketch... she'll likely bawl "it's an outside matter" and say her focus is what happens in her government.  Chief reason for that being the fact that it's Jack who's really pulling the strings in the background.  Of course now that she's in power she can jettison it... but to borrow a saying from Anil, I don't think she has the testicular fortitude to.

As for Jack's work with the Ministry... I'm sure the public buying the act that he really does care... just as the English FA did.
Title: A lovely article on Jack Warner.
Post by: Sam on February 18, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
JACK WARNER IS A FOOTBALL IDIOT, AND CLUELESS
 
Thirty-three years after Caribbean Football made him a millionaire, here in his own words, is Jack Warners take on his stewardship.
 
Address at the Caribbean Football Unions 34th Congress, Jamaica, 02/15/2011.
 
The time has come for the sport in the region to truly make its mark on the world stage. The statistics of our performance are revealing a story of which we must take cognizance.
 
After 33 years?  Mubaraks gone, Jack!

This is a clear indictment against our brand of football, and the time has come for us to shift the paradigm from just being satisfied to participate in a tournament, at the expense of truly competing. As a Union we cannot go on like this.

Yeah right. Wasnt he in charge?
 
In spite of the training courses, programmes and seminars funded by FIFA and the CONCACAF, in spite of the FIFA grants received (each of you received over $1.3 million dollars in the last four years) SO DID EVERY OTHER NATIONAL FA WITHIN FIFA your teams still remain the whipping boys and girls of the CONCACAF Confederation, and the message I am here to deliver today at the 34th Congress of the Caribbean Football Union is, lets shift the paradigm and bring glory to the CFU.
 
What utter nonsense after 33 years.
 
Success starts with a dream, with an obsession, and it is never too late to start. It begins with the insularity among member states. It begins with the abolition of infighting within member associations. THE T&T NATIONAL TEAM PLAYERS FROM THE 2006 WORLD CUP ARE STILL AWAITING, AFTER SEVERAL COURT VICTORIES, THEIR SHARE OF THE MILLIONS JACK WARNER AND HIS FAMILY TOOK. To the Warner family, Greed is Good!
 
It begins with the removal of I and the introduction of We, and the recognition that no one can do it alone, we need the help of each other. Every member association, over the next six months should present a four-year Strategic Plan for Football Development in its territory. This plan must be different from all other plans. To state what you want is one thing; to tell us what you hope to achieve is another.
 
WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT?  WHAT PLANET IS HE ON?

Today, February 16, 2011, Arsenal defeated Barcelona 2-1 in the European Champions League game featuring the two best teams in the world. That, Mr. Warner, is the state of World Football today.
 
The Caribbean Football Union must also have its own four-year Strategic Development Plan for Football, and madam general secretary, we must set lofty goals and drive our member associations to fulfill them. Nothing must be done by vaps anymore. Outputs must be aligned to outcomes. We need to become results-based policy driven units. Until we strategize, we will never succeed.
 
NOTHING MUST BE DONE BY VAPS ANYMORE, is a clear admission of how clueless Jack Warner really is, after 33 years as the head of Caribbean Football from which he and his family have pimped millions.
 
How do Franz Beckenbauer, Michel Platini and Bobby Charlton allow themselves to be repeatedly conned by this idiot within the corridors of FIFA?
 
Finally, a CONCACAF press release on 12/22/10, with his picture and headlined Warner nominated unopposed for CFU Presidency states, The CFU was founded in 1982 and Warner has been its only President. THIS STATEMENT IS A BIG LIE.
 
The Caribbean Football Union (CFU) was founded on January 28th 1978 in Port au Prince, Haiti, and Andre Kamperveen of Suriname was elected President with Mr. Warner as Secretary.
 
The real way forward for Caribbean Football will be discussed in another article.
 
D. Future
February 16, 2011
Title: Re: A lovely article on Jack Warner.
Post by: Football supporter on February 18, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Apparently, the definition of stupid is doing exactly the same thing, time after time, and expecting a different outcome.

Its about time that CFU recognised that definition.
Title: Re: A lovely article on Jack Warner.
Post by: frico on February 19, 2011, 05:08:39 AM
IT would be nice if JW can teef loads ah money from the FIFA coffers and give it out to the CONCACAF nations,we can then hire a top class coach instead of men like Latapy who should be coaching a college team.
You can do a fiddle for the region Jack,have a go mate yuh never know it might juss wuk. ;D
Title: The Jack Warner dictionary.
Post by: Sam on February 28, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
The Jack Warner dictionary.

Dictator: A dictatorship is defined as an autocratic form of government in which the government is ruled by an individual, the dictator (Mr Dracular).

Greed: Greed is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed - like lust and gluttony - is a sin of excess. Greed is inappropriate expectation.

Unstoppable: unstoppable cannot be stopped or surpassed.

Selfishness: Selfishness denotes an excessive or exclusive concern with oneself; and as such it exceeds mere self interest or self concern. In that it necessarily connotes a disregard for others, it is beyond the act of placing one's own needs or desires above the needs or desires of others (self interest).

Conman: A con artist, or a person who uses a fraud method known as a confidence trick.

Trinis: We Trinis deserve everything we get because not one of us here on in T&T have the balls to stop Jack Warner. We make Jack the man he is today because he gets away with anything, he is rich and have alot of support from people in high places.

I bet you Jack will find a way to not pay the 2006 WC players and if he do pay them that money is only a drop of water in Jack bucket, he will raise again. In 2005 and 2006 he made over a $188 million just on football.

He is the most powerful man in T&T, nobody could stop theis man, he make Eric Williams 30 years in government look like chump change.

He owns everybody who works for him. He went up against the government and won every battle against (Basdeo Panday & Patrick Manning). He slap Andrew Jennings in public, on tape and got away with it, he made Lasana Liburd run and hide.

He owns a few businesses in T&T.

He is worth millions, John O'Halloran couldn't thief more. He is a perfect thief.

He is now in government and have friends in governament (Anil Roberts, Nizam Mohammed and Anand Ramlogan).

His right hand is our Prime Minister.

FIFA is afraid of him. He even made a racsist comment on AndrewJennings and white man and got away with it and he works for a white man (Sepp Blatter). CONCACAF trimbles when they see him.

He have an empire that is growing in every area and sooner or later he will control T&T 100%. He already own Chaguanas and their people, a bunch of stupid indians who get brain wash for a few dollars.

I would love to know what school Jack Warner went to, I would endorse it. This man cannot even talk properly and yet he manage to take over the World.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner dictionary.
Post by: MEP on February 28, 2011, 10:38:22 PM
Quote
Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Anil tell it, anybody could work for Jack. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Apologies to Usual Suspect but this quote with a little modification seems apropos.
Title: "Jack in A Box" - A blog take on Jack Warner
Post by: Zeppo on March 01, 2011, 12:06:18 PM
From Bill Archer at BigSoccer:

Jack in A Box (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11009)

Fast forward to last week and a lovely five star Montego Bay resort where the Caribbean Football Union showed him just how deeply they care about this kind of thing; he was re-elected for another four year term which wasn't surprising considering that, as always, he was running unopposed.

Replace Jack Warner? Why on Gods' Earth would they want to do that? As he himself reminded the Assembled Federation Presidents:

"each of you received over $1.3 million in the last four years".

Which of course for "countries" like The Turks and Caicos (population 18,122), Montserrat (9,341), Anguilla (14,254) and the British Virgin Island (19,100) - to name a few - is one whole hell of a lot more money than they were going to collect from, say, youth registrations or car washes. Or bake sales, unless Jamaica brings the brownies.
Title: Re: "Jack in A Box" - A blog take on Jack Warner
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
From Bill Archer at BigSoccer:

Jack in A Box (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11009)

Fast forward to last week and a lovely five star Montego Bay resort where the Caribbean Football Union showed him just how deeply they care about this kind of thing; he was re-elected for another four year term which wasn't surprising considering that, as always, he was running unopposed.

Replace Jack Warner? Why on Gods' Earth would they want to do that? As he himself reminded the Assembled Federation Presidents:

"each of you received over $1.3 million in the last four years".

Which of course for "countries" like The Turks and Caicos (population 18,122), Montserrat (9,341), Anguilla (14,254) and the British Virgin Island (19,100) - to name a few - is one whole hell of a lot more money than they were going to collect from, say, youth registrations or car washes. Or bake sales, unless Jamaica brings the brownies.


CONCACAF Kleptocrat-in-Chief Jack Warner :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on March 09, 2011, 11:58:59 AM
Jack: Concacaf will be given all it deserves.
T&T Guardian Reports.


The perception of small teams or countries in the world of football must be dispelled. On the field of play we are all equal and through our Goal Projects, Fifa continues to exercise its commitment to ensuring equity and equality.

As the president of Concacaf and the CFU I will continue to ensure that we are given all that we deserve.


Yeah, you tell them Jackie "oh what an ass they are for thinking oh what an ass I am" Warner. We will get jail time. In addition to that we are all equal on the field of play, we all have short pants, shirt, football boots, socks, two legs, two arms, a torso, and we all kick the same ball. Other than that you will get what you deserve as well, nothing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 09, 2011, 03:04:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 09, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
      Kaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on March 09, 2011, 09:40:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
      Kaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)

Yuh ketch the "yesterday was yesterday"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 09, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Gawd... ah love she  :notworthy:



Jack get so much licks he bawl he sure he could learn something from she.  Yuh nastiness, God doh sleep.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on March 10, 2011, 06:32:16 AM
Crooked Jack Warner Will Keep Sepp Blatter In Office At FIFA Elections.
CaughtOffside.Com


FIFA vice-president and Concacaf president Jack Warner has positioned himself to be a major figure in the organisations presidential elections in June.

Concacaf are the only confederation who will block-vote, meaning their 35 member countries will decide if Asias candidate, Mohamed bin Hammam, or Sepp Blatter will be in charge for a fourth term.

Warner betrayed the England 2018 World Cup bid team after putting his arm around Prince William and said, You have my vote, before supporting winners Russia.

He is so powerful that he will decide who the North, Central American and Caribbean football associations will vote for.

The FA, who went out of their way to court Warner in their failed bid, will drop their support for Caribbean football in response as they are backing bin Hammam.

Warner has a controversial history. As well as lying to the 2018 bid team, he withheld World Cup bonuses to the Trinidad and Tobago squad in 2006 and BBCs Panorama showed he was involved in black-market ticket sales.

But Hammam, who would be tied with Blatter in supporters from other confederations, will not declare his running until he receives backing at the UEFA Congress in Paris on March 22

The Qatari may leave his announcement until the March 31 deadline so as to confuse UEFA chief Michel Platini, who may also stand against Blatter if Hammam is competing.

Platini wanted the presidency for 2015, but Hammam is likely to serve two terms if he wins in 2011.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: supporter on March 10, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
Cant we do some facebook movement to oust him? thats the trend these days lol
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: futbolfan on March 10, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
Cant we do some facebook movement to oust him? thats the trend these days lol

me eh know bout dat nah...because it eh look like dat social media thing eh wukin out to good for dem people in Libya.  :-\
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 10, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 10, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.

what was the interview about ??/
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: College on March 10, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
      Kaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)

Yuh ketch the "yesterday was yesterday"


Classic.. It nice to know that freedom of speech is alive and well in T&T.. Jack probably thinking , this gyul dangerous...lemme get this gyul a wuk in de ministry and she if ah could control she
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 10, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 10, 2011, 03:13:16 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 10, 2011, 05:13:41 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 10, 2011, 06:47:59 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 10, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on March 10, 2011, 10:32:40 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coops's that is rel mad talk you talking. Any player in your time ever stand up to JW and get as far as these fellas had gotten? I bet you cannot name one, not one. These fellas has done a great service to T&T and ah find you coming ah round about way trying to discredit them recently. There must be fall out in somethig like this. Nothing wrong with that, but by far and by large these fellas has been the biggest heroes of T&T football in the history of T&T football. They are the only players to take us to the WC and they are the only players to make JW back peddle and make the world pay attention.

So stop trying to out the fellas fire they have done us proud, maybe not you but I am very happy and satified with Sancho, Shaka, Jack and the others.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 11, 2011, 04:43:16 AM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 13, 2011, 05:45:42 AM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 07:13:39 AM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
     Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 13, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
     Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.

Right so with all the knowledge you have about what goes on behind the scenes, why is it you seem to take a negative position where these 13 players are concerned??  Every time the issue comes up its like you want them to fail and Jack and his croonies over at the TTFF to win??
 
THAT is what I have a problem understanding Coop's.......it eh making no sense to me that FINALLY a group of players decided not to back down against the almighty Jack but you seem to have a problem with that.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 01:11:35 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
     

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
     Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.

Right so with all the knowledge you have about what goes on behind the scenes, why is it you seem to take a negative position where these 13 players are concerned??  Every time the issue comes up its like you want them to fail and Jack and his croonies over at the TTFF to win??
 
THAT is what I have a problem understanding Coop's.......it eh making no sense to me that FINALLY a group of players decided not to back down against the almighty Jack but you seem to have a problem with that.....
      The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
      The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.

Coop's... with all respect this is speculative nonsense.  There is no way you can look at a Brent Sancho, a Shaka Hislop or even a Anthony Wolfe and say that these fellas don't care about TnT football.  You know you and I cool, but throughout this entire impasse there has been an undercurrent of negativity, if not hostility in your comments towards the players.  Maybe you think that the players should have just shut up and accept the $5,000 in the name of the "greater good" of football, but that shortsighted mentality has never benefitted our game.  It didn't work in your time and it isn't working right now. 

If corrupt officiating robbed the 1973 team of going to the WC, a corrupt administration did the same to the 1989 Strike Squad, and 2010 (and possibly 2014) Soca Warriors squads.  How much longer were these footballers supposed to accept the status quo?  You're SO against the players, saying they greedy and selfish

1) What do you recommend they should have done? 

2) How do you suggest this would have made a difference in benefitting TnT football?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 13, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
      The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.

Coop's... with all respect this is speculative nonsense.  There is no way you can look at a Brent Sancho, a Shaka Hislop or even a Anthony Wolfe and say that these fellas don't care about TnT football.  You know you and I cool, but throughout this entire impasse there has been an undercurrent of negativity, if not hostility in your comments towards the players.  Maybe you think that the players should have just shut up and accept the $5,000 in the name of the "greater good" of football, but that shortsighted mentality has never benefitted our game.  It didn't work in your time and it isn't working right now. 

If corrupt officiating robbed the 1973 team of going to the WC, a corrupt administration did the same to the 1989 Strike Squad, and 2010 (and possibly 2014) Soca Warriors squads.  How much longer were these footballers supposed to accept the status quo?  You're SO against the players, saying they greedy and selfish

1) What do you recommend they should have done? 

2) How do you suggest this would have made a difference in benefitting TnT football?

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 02:55:25 PM
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.   
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.   

Okay, so maybe I misinterpreted what you said, and if that is the case then I apologize... but that being the case how can you say that people on here only want the players to get their money and that they don't care about the football?  People might have differing opinions as to what's best for our football, but with the exception of the odd-Jamaican or American posting here, people are members of this site because they care about our football in some way shape or form.  I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, but if you find that the response to your comments are negative it's because your comments are generally perceived to be pro-TTFF and anti-players.  Now whether that is tru or not is another matter, but the fact is this is how your comments come off to me.  For instance:

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The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football

How can you say that this court matter is all about the players?  Somebody needed to stand up to Jack to let him know that the TTFF is not just his personal little toy to do with it as he wished... players have rights too.  The only way for our football to progress is for both parties to treat the issue as a partnership.  We can't continue treating it like a master-servant relationship where the Federation is the master and the players the servants.  Take a look at any respectable Federation in FIFA and you'll see that this is the model... joint-partners.  That doesn't mean that the players necessarily have to have equal say in everything, but they need to have a strong voice at the table. This court decision (hopefully) is the first step toward that.  This issue is much bigger than the 13 players.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 05:00:57 PM
Bakes i have been where those players are in the past,i've fought when players had no voice,we tried to form Players Assoc,Coaches Assoc etc and was not successfull,i was a player a Coach,participated in what ever it had going on in Football at the time,is just that i'm old school and it hurts to see what our Football has come too today,i can quote who said it's all about the players money and they don't care about our Football and it's one of us and that's some of the things that hurt me,i have worked hard in what ever little way to make Football the game it is at home and to see it being destroyed is not nice,don't matter what happens to Football in T&T it will all boil down to one man,to recover from the damage done to Football it may not happen in our lifetime,i never thought we would have made a WC finals in my lifetime but we did under the same man,i was a player how could i hate the players is just that i thought the situation could have been handled differently by both parties.I want you all to know i love this site but it's getting very difficult for me to give my views on here (respect guys).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 06:10:36 PM
Bakes i have been where those players are in the past,i've fought when players had no voice,we tried to form Players Assoc,Coaches Assoc etc and was not successfull,i was a player a Coach,participated in what ever it had going on in Football at the time,is just that i'm old school and it hurts to see what our Football has come too today,i can quote who said it's all about the players money and they don't care about our Football and it's one of us and that's some of the things that hurt me,i have worked hard in what ever little way to make Football the game it is at home and to see it being destroyed is not nice,don't matter what happens to Football in T&T it will all boil down to one man,to recover from the damage done to Football it may not happen in our lifetime,i never thought we would have made a WC finals in my lifetime but we did under the same man,i was a player how could i hate the players is just that i thought the situation could have been handled differently by both parties.I want you all to know i love this site but it's getting very difficult for me to give my views on here (respect guys).

Coop's you know what they say about being around heat in the kitchen... if you state your views publicly (by posting them here) then you run the risk of having people either agree with you, or disagree with you.  I am sure you wouldn't want to stop posting if people AGREE with you, so why then would you want to stop because they disagree?  We're all here exchanging opinions, at times some more informed than others... at the end of the day it's your decision whether you want to continue participating or not  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 13, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
Coops, you should continue to post, hoss. Although people may not agree with some of your comments, you give alternative opinions which spark debate. That is how we all can learn to come to more thought out conclusions. If we all agreed, there would be no point.

Now my view regarding the betterment of football in T&T is to remove all these old school people. There has been no real notable improvements for many years. The definition of madness is doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results.

As for the financial status, well, TTFF had their richest ever year in 2006 - an estimated $188 million, yet they still made a loss and still have pre 2006 debts. If that isn't poor management, I don't know what is. So, to me, the players taking on this case have brought to light information that would never have been known by the public. It also raises many questions about the capability and honesty of people running football in T&T.

So, with all of your experiences of working with TTFF in various capacities, how do you feel knowing they have misspent or misplaced millions of dollars that should have been spent on developing our football? As much as you may admire some of their actions, you must admit that no organisation would allow this type of mismanagement to go unpunished.

Its time for a change (in fact, it should have happened years ago). 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 13, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
Coops, you should continue to post, hoss. Although people may not agree with some of your comments, you give alternative opinions which spark debate. That is how we all can learn to come to more thought out conclusions. If we all agreed, there would be no point.

Now my view regarding the betterment of football in T&T is to remove all these old school people. There has been no real notable improvements for many years. The definition of madness is doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results.

As for the financial status, well, TTFF had their richest ever year in 2006 - an estimated $188 million, yet they still made a loss and still have pre 2006 debts. If that isn't poor management, I don't know what is. So, to me, the players taking on this case have brought to light information that would never have been known by the public. It also raises many questions about the capability and honesty of people running football in T&T.

So, with all of your experiences of working with TTFF in various capacities, how do you feel knowing they have misspent or misplaced millions of dollars that should have been spent on developing our football? As much as you may admire some of their actions, you must admit that no organisation would allow this type of mismanagement to go unpunished.

Its time for a change (in fact, it should have happened years ago). 
:beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 13, 2011, 09:18:19 PM
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.   

Coop's I hope you have not interpreted my stance on this whole impasse issue as me being for the players and not caring about Football.  I love our Football and would love to see it flourish but the fact is and has always been (and you don't need me to tell you that as you have pointed out), there has been one man at the centre of ALL our footballing troubles and that is Jack Warner.  He is ably assisted by his croonies over at the TTFF.  So I know that I posted some time ago that I was not going to anymore games unless the players are paid AND the current administration of T&T football is removed.

The players must be paid because it will be first time Jack Warner/TTFF will be made to pay because of Jack's recklessness.  The current admin of the TTFF must leave our football because they have been around our football for too long.  For me to stop at the players being paid is not enough.  If the case of the missing $188 million isn't enough to convince us all dat we in deep doo doo with this bunch then I don't know what will.  

I choose to show my love for our football in a way that's different to you or anyone else on this board and that's fine.  That's what makes the world go round.  Variety.

Whether or not you continue to post is all fine and dandy....that's your funeral not mine.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 09:49:21 PM
There we go again,who said i will not post on here,all i've said is it's very difficult for me and everybody interprit that in there own way,it have people i don't see on here anymore they choose that route,i'm not that way old school again nah.Take a drink guys  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Daft Trini on March 14, 2011, 08:17:26 AM
There we go again,who said i will not post on here,all i've said is it's very difficult for me and everybody interprit that in there own way,it have people i don't see on here anymore they choose that route,i'm not that way old school again nah.Take a drink guys  :beermug:

Real trying times in TnT football bro... I supporting meh US team... at least they consistent. If the fans had it their way (with a functioning national team) then we won't be nitpicking everything, everyone say. Hold on Coops and let us Socawarrior Fans stay strong... :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D#_1_TrInBa on March 14, 2011, 06:46:55 PM
i dont see any problems as long we all can play...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on March 15, 2011, 07:34:27 PM
Important discussion and blog awareness progressing nicely.
Big up to the site for exchange of ideas, no matter how distressing some of them are.
Good clarity by Bakes, so nuff respec'.
Go Warriors!

:beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on March 29, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Bill Archer on Asche's Calypso

"Uncle Jack": Warner Finally Meets His Match - bigsoccer.com (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11125&page=2#comments)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 29, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)

Wait, I know catch this verse...... 5:19, he could stay right in Port of Spain and make Beckham jump on ah plane....  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on March 29, 2011, 06:28:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)

Wait, I know catch this verse...... 5:19, he could stay right in Port of Spain and make Beckham jump on ah plane....  :rotfl:

BAD LINE THAT
Title: Dimanche Gras 2011 contestant parodies Jack Warner and wins
Post by: Tallman on March 30, 2011, 10:02:20 AM
Dimanche Gras 2011 contestant parodies Jack Warner and wins
By Mr. Sportsbook (Los Angeles Times)


For soccer fans out there, please bear with us regarding some history of Dimanche Gras, so that we can set the scene properly for one of the most public displays of parody of the should-be-disgraced-Jack-Warner.

Dimanche Gras is a huge competition that marks the start of the two day carnival celebrations in Trinidad and Tobago. There are various competitions to discover the King and Queen of the Carnival as well as all the best Calypsonians (its a word) competing against each other to compete to be the Calypso Monarch.

The Dimanche Gras 2011 winner was incredibly a 26 year old woman called Karene Asche who although incredibly talented is very young (and female) to win this title.

Calypso music is the national art form of Trinidad & Tobago, and this infectious, percussion-driven music is deeply ingrained in the culture of most of the Lesser Antilles.

It has been used as a method for social commentary and parody since the British colonial times and now has led to Karene Asche winning Dimanche Gras 2011.

The song that led her to glory was Uncle Jack and can be seen below with a few notable things to watch out for...

The man Karene delivers the football to is wearing a fabulously familiar tie and is playing with planes and cars in a clear reference to Jack Warners position as minister of Public Works and the row over purchasing of aircraft on his duty.

Multiple mentions of UK investigative journalist Andrew Jennings (the curly haired white man who appears with a microphone)

About five minutes in Warner holds up a sign HNIC a clear reference to his speech in September 2010 proclaiming himself as the Head N***** in Charge. (Ralph Ellison defined HNIC as the lone black person whom whites have invested with voice and authority; the king of darkies.) Warner clearly feels he is more powerful than all the other races on the islands and is the one man who delivers the Caribbean votes to whomever pays the most at FIFA.

The refrain at the end to Pay The Warriors, Uncle Jack after Warner refused to pay the T&T team that went to the World Cup in 2006.

Thats enough, there is plenty to enjoy and if you love the beautiful game and all that is good watch and applaud Karene Asche and her beautiful song Uncle Jack.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 02, 2011, 07:16:24 AM
Kamla leaves for US...Jack acts as PM
By CLINT CHAN TACK Saturday, April 2 2011


PRIME MINISTER Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday said Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner will act as Prime Minister while she is in Washington, DC next week for a series of high-level meetings on issues ranging from security to the economy.

Responding to a message sent to her by Newsday during yesterdays sitting of the House of Representatives about who will act as Prime Minister while she is overseas, Persad-Bissessar replied, Warner.

Warners appointment as acting Prime Minister was later confirmed by a statement issued by the Office of the Prime Minister which said Persad-Bissessar will be in for Washingon, DC for a series of engagements from April 4 to 6. She returns home on April 7.

The statement said her first official engagement in Washington will be attending the Spring Gala Dinner at the Kennedy Centre for the Performing Arts which will be held under the patronage of US President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle. Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, who will be in TT to launch the national mentorship programme later this month, is also expected to attend this function.

Speaking in the House yesterday, Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Suruj Rambachan said Persad-Bissessar will deliver the feature address at the Organisation of American States (OAS) Hemispheric Summit on Womens Leadership at the Hall of the Americas. Rambachan said her speech will focus on challenges to the democratic system to womens equality in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Rambachan said the Prime Minister will also give the keynote address at the First Hemispheric Forum on Leadership for a Citizens Democracy in Washington.

He also disclosed Persad-Bissessar and National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy will hold talks with US Treasury Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, to further this countrys efforts to develop productive counter terrorism strategies and anti-money laundering laws.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 04, 2011, 04:51:50 AM
Jack Warner's secret black market adventure.
STORY SORUCE (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/03/31/nyheter/jack_warner/fifa/billetthaiene/ticket_sharks/16023903/)


EXCLUSIVE: For the very first time, Norwegian black market king Atle G. Barlaup speaks out about the FIFA vice president's secret ticket sales.

(Dagbladet): In 2003, Barlaup founded the company Euroteam, which since has sold black market tickets for 85 million USD. Euroteam, Barlaup says, has bought black market tickets from FIFA vice president Jack Warner:

Twice.

Warner was in 2007 fined 1 million USD, after investigative journalist Andrew Jennings revealed an Ernst & Young report which exposed that Warner had sold tickets through the travel agent Simpaul in Trinidad.

Then, in August 2010, Dagbladet revealed that Warner once again had sold tickets on the black market. The buyer was Euroteam. The story was later featured in BBC's Panorama, where Jennings once again exposed FIFA's dirty economics.

Now, for the very first time, black market bigshot Atle Barlaup speaks out about Warner's business.

Further reading: The ticket sharks (http://go.dagbladet.no/go/e/art;afu=www.dagbladet.noa472011a4703a4731a47nyhetera47jack_warnera47fifaa47billetthaienea47ticket_sharksa4716023903/http://www.dagbladet.no/tag/ticket_sharks)

Worth millions

- Vi bought tickets from Jack Warner in 2006 as well. He sold us 812 tickets, which we bought from him, Barlaup confirms, speaking to Dagbladet over omelette and coffee at a fashionable caf in downtown Oslo.

Sources say the tickets were channeled through a well-known, Norwegian businessman, who knew Warner well after having met him and other Caribbean football officials several times.

- What did you pay for the tickets?

- The price was 2,8 times the original asking price.

Unknown

This would indicate a total amount of almost 1 million USD.

- Were these among the tickets mentioned in the Ernst & Young report?

- No. This deal has never been revealed or mentioned before, Barlaup says, and adds:

- FIFA's corrupt from top to bottom.

Jack Warner has never wanted to speak to Dagbladet, after having been contacted by phone, email, and in person. He remains silent.

- Thanks for your email. Please understand that FIFA cannot comment on such allegations, FIFA writes in an e-mail.

(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/160/160245/16024579/jpg/active/729x.jpg)
SPEAKS OUT: Euroteam founder Atle Barlaup, who bought tickets from Jack Warner twice. Picture: istein Norum Monsen/DAGBLADET

(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/160/160244/16024430/jpg/active/320x.jpg)
CASH KINGS: This picture shows 4 million NOK - in cash. The picture is taken from one of Euroteam's offices in Germany in 2006. The company bought 821 tickets from FIFA vice president Jack Warner that year, founder Atle Barlaup says. Photo: Dagbladet
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 04, 2011, 09:26:01 AM
Ok, reality check needed here (thats one check Jack don't want lol)

Everything is just hearsay, so you can't condemn a man because of that. However, there are so many stories and so much potential evidence, it must be time that someone in T&T forces the issue. I think it was George W Bush who said: "If it looks like a dog and sounds like dog, it probably is a dog." Well, you have to admit, it looks like financial irregularities and sounds like financial irregularities, so it probably is. You can't keep ignoring this. Ok, give the man the opportunity to prove his innocence, but don't, under any circumstances make him acting PM. Is Kamla mad? All of the work she is putting in trying to promote T&T overseas is instantly devalued when Jack is in charge.

I say again, you can't condemn the man, let him defend himself by all means, but deal with the situation once and for all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 04, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
Ok, reality check needed here (thats one check Jack don't want lol)

Everything is just hearsay, so you can't condemn a man because of that. However, there are so many stories and so much potential evidence, it must be time that someone in T&T forces the issue. I think it was George W Bush who said: "If it looks like a dog and sounds like dog, it probably is a dog." Well, you have to admit, it looks like financial irregularities and sounds like financial irregularities, so it probably is. You can't keep ignoring this. Ok, give the man the opportunity to prove his innocence, but don't, under any circumstances make him acting PM. Is Kamla mad? All of the work she is putting in trying to promote T&T overseas is instantly devalued when Jack is in charge.
I say again, you can't condemn the man, let him defend himself by all means, but deal with the situation once and for all.

Do you honestly believe that Jack is only in charge when Kamla flyies out?!  ::)
Title: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: coache on April 07, 2011, 08:30:36 PM
Jack Warner is not a Trinidadian.He rob the people of T+T with de football,now is football and govt;why de people of Trinidad and Tobago allowing this man to continue this daylight robbery?Now he gettin the people to pay ah old coach who cannot get a coaching job to full he pocket.we are going nowhere with this.Money will make and go in Mr Warner's bank account.Stop de man and send him back to Caiacou.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: Socapro on April 07, 2011, 08:37:47 PM
Jack Warner is not a Trinidadian.He rob the people of T+T with de football,now is football and govt;why de people of Trinidad and Tobago allowing this man to continue this daylight robbery?Now he gettin the people to pay ah old coach who cannot get a coaching job to full he pocket.we are going nowhere with this.Money will make and go in Mr Warner's bank account.Stop de man and send him back to Caiacou.

Why do you want to punish and insult the people of Carriacou?! Grenada football is on the up!!
I'm sure they would want to see JW's birth papers as conclusive proof before they allow him anywhere near their beautiful island!  ::)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: MEP on April 07, 2011, 09:23:58 PM
in between grenada and carriacou...is some rough waters called kick um Jenny...dais where jack from
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 07, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
I hear Jack from Rio Claro...d last time I went dey...
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: Deeks on April 07, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
why yuh want to associate the good name of cariacou with jack?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: davidephraim on April 07, 2011, 10:01:20 PM
Personally I take offence to the title of this Post. In some way being a fowl tief is associated with being from caiacou and if it was some other nationality say how whoever is a liar from trinidad then we might not be so inclined to herald it. Bess yuh did stop at Fowl Tief.  But to implicate Caiacou is to kinda shed a negative light on the place like how we always seem to be-little the Grenadians who in case you dont know have spawned a lot of Trinis. We dont have to be politically correct about everything but Leave little Grenada alone for meh please. No meh grandfather is not grenadian, is a French boy who did get with he mother!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: Dutty on April 08, 2011, 07:06:24 AM
No meh grandfather is not grenadian, is a French boy who did get with he mother!

ummm...QUE!?!?!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 11, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
Saw this article in the stadium section of skyscrapercity.com

Just so you know what you're letting yourselves in for. I hope your bid team has deep pockets and no scruples...


FIFA's Jack Warner Accused of Seeking England World Cup Bid Favours

The leaders of Englands failed bid to host the 2018 World Cup were asked by FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to pay for an education centre in his native Trinidad during the bid process.

The Times newspaper alleges that Warner twice asked Englands World Cup bid leaders about funding for facilities on the island, in London in October 2009 and again while a high-profile delegation visited Trinidad at the time of a Caribbean Football Union dinner last February.

Under FIFA rules bid nations were prohibited from offering gifts or other incentives to delegates.

English Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards told The Times that over drinks at a London hotel following the 2009 Leaders in Football conference, Warner asked him and former FA and World Cup bid chairman David Triesman for funds to build the education centre.

"He didn't say: 'Do this and I'll vote for you'," said Richards.

"But it was always at the back of my mind. I did nod my head at Triesman as if to say: Let's not get into this.

"What he said was England should be building this kind of education block as a legacy throughout the world. He did say Trinidad and Tobago wanted one. He said it was an education set-up that he wanted for the children of Trinidad and Tobago.

Triesman confirmed to The Times the meeting at Chelseas Wyndham Grand Hotel, saying that Warner was told that it was absolutely out of the question".

But Warner was apparently not dissuaded.

Four months later, David Dein, who was now England bid international president, visited Trinidad with bid CEO Andy Anson and bid ambassador David Ginola for the Caribbean Football Union gala dinner, which England 2018 partly funded.

The following day Warner took some of the England 2018 delegation to the village of Longdenville near the islands capital, Port of Spain. Warner showed them a dilapidated sports facility that local councillors had petitioned Warner to redevelop.

Plans for a T$13million ($2million) complex comprising a football field, cricket pitch, changing rooms, toilets and a swimming pool had been drawn up.

In the view of some local media, Warner asked the delegation, according to The Times, to at least help get the project started with a financial donation". A microphone was handed to David Dein who said that he would see what he could do.

Funding for the facility by England 2018 was reported in the Trinidadian media as a fait accompli, but England bid sources have always maintained that nothing was ever promised or given.

Warner denied, with typical vigour, the allegations made in todays paper, telling The Times that the meeting never took place.

"I don't know what you are talking about," he was quoted by AFP.

"Why should I ask David Freestone [sic] or somebody for some offices here? Why should I? To do what? It doesn't make sense."

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=34264
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 16, 2011, 04:23:09 AM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 16, 2011, 08:26:28 AM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

Former Minister of Transport, Jack Warner starts new job as postman after Soca Warriors World Cup bonus scandal is finally exposed. When asked how he felt about having his properties, businesses  and vehicles seized, Warner said "That was yesterday, this is today"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on April 16, 2011, 11:01:40 AM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

"...the center act in the circus, was a monkey in a suit riding a bicycle.  Popcorn was 50 a bag."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 16, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

Former Minister of Transport, Jack Warner starts new job as postman after Soca Warriors World Cup bonus scandal is finally exposed. When asked how he felt about having his properties, businesses  and vehicles seized, Warner said "That was yesterday, this is today"

Classic!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 16, 2011, 09:38:22 PM
love him or hate him...jack everywhere....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 16, 2011, 11:39:59 PM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

"...the center act in the circus, was a monkey in a suit riding a bicycle.  Popcorn was 50 a bag."

 :rotfl:

Someone did warn me that Warner would take my job & I never believed them until now!!  :D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 26, 2011, 05:16:41 PM
It seems that some of the football admin. have catch the TTFF maljeaux or vice versa. This is an article on the preps for Brazil WC taken from the beeb(BBC).


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2011/04/vickery_21.html



On the pitch, last week was a splendid one for Brazilian football.

Fluminense's dramatic qualification for the knockout stages of the Copa Libertadores meant that Brazil did not have a single team eliminated in the group phase - while Argentina lost three.

The Brazilian sides also managed to avoid each other in the second round, creating the possibility of the competition's last eight featuring five teams from the same country.

Off the field, though, the picture is not so impressive, with planning for the 2014 World Cup giving cause for concern.


The state of the country's airports has always been seen as the main impediment to the smooth running of the tournament. Recently a survey by a specialist organisation concluded that work on the airports will not be completed in time - and even if it is, the airports will still be operating beyond their capacity.

Stadium work is also dragging with construction of the new stadium in Sao Paulo, the likely venue of the opening game, yet to start - and doubt has also been cast on the financial viability of four of the 12 stadiums.

Earlier this month, Senator Alvaro Dias, a long running critic of football administration in Brazil, even called on the country to give up the right to stage the tournament.

Dias is an opposition politician seeking to embarrass the government and he was more likely making mischief rather than presenting a serious suggestion.

There seems no reason to doubt that the tournament will go ahead in Brazil, but those in charge of the process have little cause for self-congratulation.

"There is still (just about) time for us to put on a reasonable World Cup," Jose Luiz Portella last week. But a very good one is out of the question. We have wasted the opportunity."

Portella, who in addition to being an engineer and a transport executive is one of the country's most intelligent football columnists, continued: "I have always been in favour of having the World Cup and the Olympics in Brazil, but not with this group who run our sport."

This gets to the heart of the matter.

Brazil's players are so good as a consequence of football's intrinsic meritocracy. By far the principal sport in a giant country, football attracts millions, the best of whom are groomed for a career in the game. The sons of Pele and Zico have tried and failed - a famous name could only get them so far.

Off the field it is a radically different matter. Ricardo Teixeira, former son-in-law of ex-FIFA President Joao Havelange, has been in charge of the Brazilian FA since 1989. The uncharismatic Teixeira also presides over the World Cup Local Organising Committee, in which his daughter as a key administrator.

They both might be part of the rapidly developing world, but there is a key difference between Brazil and 2010 hosts South Africa. Staging last year's World Cup was part of a lengthy process which has seen political power change hands in the rainbow nation.

Brazil has taken huge strides to consolidate its democracy, but old semi-feudal clans have not had their power shaken - as football demonstrates. Teixeira's power base is formed by the presidents of the country's 27 state football federations, some of whom have been in power even longer than he has.

The World Cup started to go wrong from the very start because of Teixeira's unwillingness to alienate that power base.

The key date was March 2003 when Fifa president Sepp Blatter announced that, following the rotation principle, the World Cup would return to South America in 2014. Within days Conmebol (the South American Confederation) declared that Brazil was its only candidate.

True, Colombia later broke ranks and briefly ran a rival bid, but this was never serious.

Venezuela was investing heavily in stadiums at the time, and Colombia was looking to raise its profile in response to this challenge from its neighbour and rival. The Colombian move achieved its objective when the country was awarded this year's World Youth Cup.

Fifa officially announced Brazil as 2014 hosts in October 2007. There was no surprise or controversy - it merely made official what everyone already knew. At this point Brazil should have had its plans in place, it should have chosen its host cities, presented its stadium projects and identified its infra-structure necessities, but had not. Four and a half years had been wasted.

No host cities had been chosen because, for Teixeira, it was not convenient to do so.
Eighteen cities wanted to stage games but excluding some of them would have had negative political consequences for him, so the decision was handed to Fifa, thus eating up more time.

The list of host cities was finally read out from Switzerland at the end of May 2009, more than six years after it was apparent to all and sundry that Brazil would be staging the tournament.

Anyone with any knowledge of Brazil was aware that such a delay was asking for problems. Throw in time spent on bureaucratic enclaves and political in-fighting and it was clear work would be running behind schedule.

"There are countries which suffer natural disasters and need to reconstruct everything on an emergency basis," commented Brazilian architectural and engineering specialist Jose Roberto Bernasconi last week. "We create our own emergencies without any necessity."

Emergencies have to be paid for. The 2014 show will go ahead on time, but to ensure that it does, public money will have to be thrown at it, and some urban transport projects may well have to be cut or scaled back.

The 2014 World Cup, then, comes with two strong probabilities - one, that the hard-pressed Brazilian tax payer will shell out more than he/she should and two, the return to that tax payer is likely to fall short of what might be expected.

Perhaps we can add a third - that some of the most dazzling football played will come from the Brazil team. The products of football's fierce meritocracy, drawn from diverse backgrounds, Brazil's players will surely combine to produce some moments that make them, in the words of American sociologist Janet Lever "a living register of society's potential".






Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 26, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
Dat Teixeira fella name call up in Jennings book plenty, plenty.....
Title: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: Tallman on April 26, 2011, 05:40:19 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: Coop's on April 26, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail

     Nice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: MEP on April 26, 2011, 07:17:36 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail

     Nice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
Huh???? reall???..............really???!!!!
if yuh eh mad then yuh crazy
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: royal on April 26, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail



oh dear
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: elan on April 26, 2011, 08:07:32 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail

     Nice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
Huh???? reall???..............really???!!!!
if yuh eh mad then yuh crazy

Is Coop's yuh dealing with.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 27, 2011, 09:40:43 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


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oh dear

Coop's didn't read that highlighted bit!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on April 27, 2011, 11:26:13 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on April 27, 2011, 11:55:40 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

Yes Coop's horn meh but doh leave meh. Yuh right.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: MEP on April 27, 2011, 12:37:50 PM
the greatest trick the devil ever pulled...........
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: diamondtrim on April 27, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 
Thank u Coops
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on April 28, 2011, 05:54:57 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 28, 2011, 07:01:09 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on April 28, 2011, 10:34:27 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.

Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed.  If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.

He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.

Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 28, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.

Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed.  If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.

He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.

Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.

Elan,
            I have spoken to Coops on this matter and he do care about the players. He was a coach and has been through the same crap with the admin. But Coops wants everybody involed to come around the table and straighten about all the bad blood among the different parties. While some of us may agree with this, we also have such a strong distrust of jack because of his past dealings with players. Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack. But honestly I don't see that happenning.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 28, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
"Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack."

And theres the issue. Maybe leopards do change their spots, but you still can't help mistrusting them. You earn trust and respect, and if Jack wants to be respected and trusted, then he needs to show it. The way to start is to say "OK guys, I was wrong. I made mistakes. I'm sorry."

Then, maybe, the guys here will start to show a glimmer of belief. But if you continue to strut around acting like you're sh*t don't stink, when everyone knows what you done and who you done it to, no one will ever change their opinion.

Coops, I understand you want to see people start afresh, and maybe with someone like Anil that is possible. But Jack has too much bad history to be forgiven easily.

Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on April 28, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.

Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed.  If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.

He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.

Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.

Elan,
            I have spoken to Coops on this matter and he do care about the players. He was a coach and has been through the same crap with the admin. But Coops wants everybody involed to come around the table and straighten about all the bad blood among the different parties. While some of us may agree with this, we also have such a strong distrust of jack because of his past dealings with players. Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack. But honestly I don't see that happenning.

There are a lot of things I agree with Coop's on and believe he is one of the people that can make a difference in T&T football. But at the same time you have to be honest, Jw in the present is not good for T&T football.

We can consistently finish 3rd in CONCACAF without any massive football program in place. All we need is a few honest men that possess good organizational skill and we can get there consistently. I don't think that JW is necessary to T&T being great/good in CONCACAF. People like LookLoy - Groden Scamps etc. all use JW as a crutch and this inturn cripple our football successes and our players will to give it their all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 28, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
When our 2006 world cup players get their money and the 13 other players who were short-changed last year and Jack and the TTFF says that they are sorry for how they have treated our players in the past then I can entertain possibly forgiving Jack for serious mistakes made with our football in the past!

My beef with Jack is his negative influence on our football! It does not bother me too much what he does in politics or in FIFA provided it does not have a negative effect on our football!

Making false promises to our players, blacklisting them, influencing who is selected as head coach and who the head coach is allowed to pick is where I draw the line!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: MEP on April 28, 2011, 08:59:05 PM
"Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack."

And theres the issue. Maybe leopards do change their spots, but you still can't help mistrusting them. You earn trust and respect, and if Jack wants to be respected and trusted, then he needs to show it. The way to start is to say "OK guys, I was wrong. I made mistakes. I'm sorry."

Then, maybe, the guys here will start to show a glimmer of belief. But if you continue to strut around acting like you're sh*t don't stink, when everyone knows what you done and who you done it to, no one will ever change their opinion.

Coops, I understand you want to see people start afresh, and maybe with someone like Anil that is possible. But Jack has too much bad history to be forgiven easily.

Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 29, 2011, 02:16:57 AM
Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.

Football Supporter yuh post reminded me of another post from a fellow forumite a while back.....

Ah think is O'connorg who said it this way (paraphrasing) so if yuh Uncle clothe yuh, feed yuh  and send yuh to school, dat mean yuh must allow him to turn around and bull yuh too???


@ MEP....boy yuh right to laugh....
@ Football Supporter, no DEFINITELY NOT ANIL!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on April 29, 2011, 09:09:42 AM
Yep O'Connorg
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 07, 2011, 06:13:27 AM
What happens in CONCACAF, stays in CONCACAF.
Reuters Blogs (blog)
 

Visitors to the Marriot Marquis Hotel in downtown Miami on Tuesday were greeted by a typical conference Welcome Desk in the hotels spacious lobby area. Behind the desk was a banner declaring the 50th Congress of CONCACAF the governing body for football in North and Central America and the Caribbean was gathering, along with FIFA president Sepp Blatter, to review the year, discuss key issues and top of the agenda to decide whether to back Blatter in Junes FIFA elections or to support his opponent, Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

It was the first time I had seen the logo of the congress. There had been no promotion of the event on the Confederations website, no communiques from CONCACAF inviting the press to the gathering and, somewhat strangely, the three seats at the welcome desk were empty. A rather odd welcome to what was, in world soccer governance, a crucial meeting.

It was a crucial congress not only because of the agenda but because it was the first gathering of CONCACAFs membership since the World Cup vote when, their bid, for the U.S to host in 2022, was defeated, sparking anger and bitterness in the American soccer community.

When FIFA awarded the hosting rights to the 2018 and 2022 World Cups to Russia and Qatar, after a selection process which had been heavily criticised in the media and was subsequently attacked by some of the losing federations, particularly Englands, there was a huge amount of pressure on soccers global governing body to increase its transparency and accountability. The secret voting, the endless lobbying meetings and the impression that financial weight rather than purely the merits of the bids was a key factor, created a mood of frustration and anger amongst fans, especially coming after reports of votes being sold resulting in the suspension of two members of FIFAs executive committee.

There was talk in the British press of the United States, England and Australia, all embarrassed by failure for their World Cup bids, heading a new reform movement to transform FIFA. In the United States, anger at the outcome led one of the countrys best known soccer writers, Sports Illustrateds Grant Wahl, to declare himself as a potential candidate, largely as a platform to rally opinion for reform or revolution. Other internet-based campaigns, such as Change FIFA, sprung up and it was asked whether FIFA had reached its Salt Lake City moment the point where corruption around the Olympics was fully exposed.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter implicitly acknowledged the problems his body faces when he talked recently of following the example of the International Olympic Committee and reforming the voting process by giving all members a say in the selection of World Cups rather than just members of the executive committee.

Many of the attacks on FIFA have missed a crucial point the modus operandi of world soccer is not purely the result of decisions made by Blatter in Zurich. FIFA is a sum of its parts and its decisions reflect a culture of governance that exists at continental, regional and national levels. That includes bodies such as CONCACAF which wields significant power with its 35 votes. The presence of a German television crew, filming what promises to be e a hard-hitting documentary on the FIFA elections, showed the event mattered at least to foreign media.

The congress had initially appeared to be an election campaign showdown between Blatter and Bin Hammam but the day before the event, it was discovered that Bin Hammam had not been able to secure a visa from U.S authorities in time to attend.

Very strange, one congress delegate said to me with a smile. Its quite interesting isnt it? said another. There has been no suggestion from Bin Hammam that there was any foul play involved (and only the most lurid conspiracy theorist could believe U.S. Immigration is working for Sepp Blatter) but it tells you something about the atmosphere inside CONCACAF that some hinted, with those comments, that there might be more than just an administrative problem involved.

I cant tell you what went on inside the CONCACAF congress because, I wasnt allowed in. Originally, the event was to have had a short ceremonial opening session which the media could attend but that decision was reversed 24 hours before the start and the entire congress was closed to journalists. Reporters would get a chance to ask questions at a post-congress press conference and one of the first put to CONCACAF president Jack Warner was precisely about the decision to keep out the media.

Its a private meeting of associations, replied the 68-year-old Trinidadian, who just shortly before had been re-elected, unopposed, unanimously.

But FIFA doesnt consider its congress to be private. As at UEFA in Europe and at the Asian Football Confederation congresses, reporters are invited in, handed the congress report, given access to the financial accounts and allowed to hear any debate or dissent. Why then does CONCACAF want to keep the press out?

Warner is hardly someone who welcomes media inquiries. He was reprimanded by FIFA after reports of his family selling inflated 2006 World Cup tickets through a travel agency they were involved in and Warner has been at the centre of a long running legal battle with the Trinidad and Tobago national team about outstanding payments the players say were promised to them.


At the press conference the main issue was whether CONCACAF had voted, as it has in the past, to support Blatter as president of FIFA. Warner said no decision had been made due to the absence of Bin Hammam. It would be fair play said Warner to wait until members had the chance to hear the Qatari before any vote the members would get that chance in Port of Spain next week, he said.

Blatter described the organization as his base and said he was confident of their support. Indeed, somewhat embarrassingly for Warner, he told the reporters that the CONCACAF president had told him you dont even need to campaign. Warner said that merely reflected the fact that everyone in the region already knew Blatter but the Swiss certainly gave the impression it meant that he had the 35 votes.

When you get the message you dont need to campaign and (are told) to use your time to go somewhere else you cannot be more clear, said Blatter.

But was that really confidence from Blatter or was it a reminder to Warner that he needs to deliver? One can never quite be sure in the world of soccer politics. Was CONCACAF delaying its vote merely out of courtesy to Bin Hammam after his unfortunate administrative problems with a visa? Or was this an opening to the Qatari a chance for him to take Blatters base from him?

The only way to find out was to talk to delegates themselves before they dashed off to their lunch after their two hour congress. Such conversations are almost always off-the-record at these events and in four separate discussions with delegates I was told that support remained strong for Blatter. But it wasnt easy to find people willing to go into any depth about the congress discussions or decisions. During one conversation with a delegate, a high-ranking Central American CONCACAF official stepped close by and gave us a cold stare which resulted in the delegate swiftly ending the conversation. Message received.

Warner had confirmed that CONCACAFs vote at FIFA would, as always, be a block vote. Rather than each member association submitting their individual vote, all would follow the majority line, even if they disagreed with it. Lenin called this method democratic-centralism. I wondered if this was something the United States Soccer Federation was comfortable with and searched out Sunil Gulati, their president. Gulati is usually a media-friendly figure, happy to hold teleconferences with American reporters, always around with a handshake and a chat at national team games, particularly during the failed bid to bring the World Cup back to the States.

But in the CONCACAF environment, where he is also an executive committee member, he is very different I asked him about the block vote and the level of support for Blatter and he replied Youd have to ask Jack about that, I know what we are doing before he hurried into an elevator and was gone.

Ask Jack it could be CONCACAFs motto. Warner controls the organization through the firm support he has built up from the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union, the island nations which make up a solid majority in the confederation. The United States and Mexico may be the two strongest soccer nations, the richest and the most successful on the field but they have as much say in CONCACAF as the Cayman Islands and Bahamas and listening to the way some of the Caribbean delegates talk it is clear that when it comes to matters of FIFA politics they look for guidance from their leader.

I did learn that CONCACAF representatives will meet again with Blatter in Zurich, shortly before the vote and that the confederations caucus would only decide on its block vote, formally, the day before FIFAs June congress.

But what else did the congress discuss? What opinions were expressed? How much money did the body make and spend last year?

If you want to know any of that, youll have to follow Gulatis advice: Ask Jack.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 08, 2011, 06:31:17 AM
Warner: FIFA elections no popularity contest
T&T Guardian Reports.
Sat, 2011-05-07.


Concacaf strongman Jack Warner has said next months Fifa elections should be decided on the strength of policies and not personality. He was speaking ahead of Mohammed Bin Hammams visit to Trinidad and Tobago on Tuesday to address Concacafs membership. Bim Hammam, the Asian football chief, is challenging the incumbent Sepp Blatter in the June 1 poll in Zurich.

No one in Concacaf has expressed displeasure over Mr Blatters tenure but in the interest of fair play and democracy I cannot deny my membership the opportunity to hear all sides of this campaign, said Warner. An election is not a popularity contest and as the world still grapples with shifting economic realities we must ensure that our sport is in a position to withstand any uncertainty. Warner, who was last week confirmed for a sixth term as Concacaf president after being nominated unopposed, said the developmental policies of both candidates needed to be scrutinised.

One must examine all that is proposed; how do you expand football? How do you continue to touch the lives of those who have been denied the opportunity to witness the beauty and simplicity of this game? Warner, also a powerful Fifa vice-president, pointed out.

Concacaf, the continental governing body for football in North, Central America and the Caribbean, is an important voting bloc in Fifa with 35 votes. Blatter lobbied Concacaf at the Congress in Miami last week but Bin Hammam was unable to attend after failing to secure a United States visa. However, Warner subsequently invited Bin Hammam to present his case in T&T in order to hear both sides. Bin Hammam is expected to make a two-hour presentation to over 80 Concacaf delegates at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. After both presentations are considered, Concacaf are expected to announce who they will back for the Fifa presidency.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 08, 2011, 09:22:59 PM
Warner subsequently invited Bin Hammam to present his case in T&T in order to hear both sides. Bin Hammam is expected to make a two-hour presentation to over 80 Concacaf delegates at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. After both presentations are considered, Concacaf are expected to announce who they will back for the Fifa presidency.

Mamaguyisum at its finest!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: behind-de-bridge on May 10, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9481461.stm

Hmmm. did he or didn't he!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 10, 2011, 07:26:12 PM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has reacted angrily to allegations from Lord Triesman in the House of Commons.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12098_6925087,00.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 10, 2011, 07:52:57 PM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has reacted angrily to allegations from Lord Triesman in the House of Commons.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12098_6925087,00.html

smoke screen , best defense is a good offense
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davidephraim on May 10, 2011, 08:12:28 PM
Lord Triesman was on BBC last night talking bout how Warner and others were trying to get him to do things the Crown just wouldn't tolerate. Jack Warner wanted 2.5 million Pounds to be funneled thu him for fifa and the Paraguay representative wanted to be made a knight as in knighthood.lol This is some funny but serious shit. Warner's response to this on International TV was.. That is a piece of nonsense.

Priceless.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on May 10, 2011, 11:03:08 PM
good fuh we
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 11, 2011, 04:40:12 AM
I never asked for anythingWarner.
By: Asha Javeed (Guardian).


Jack Warner, Fifa vice-president and T&Ts Works and Transport Minister, has scoffed at corruption allegations made against him by Lord Triesman, the former Football Association and England 2018 chairman.

First of all, I laughed. I laughed like hell, Warner told reporters yesterday. He took a break from a meeting with Mohammed Bin Hamman, president of the Asian Football Confederation, who will rival Fifa president Joseph Sepp Blatter in the presidency election later this year.

Bin Hamman was in Trinidad to share his vision for the game with Concacaf leaders. Lord Triesman told the select committee, looking into Englands failed 2018 football bid, that Warner asked for moneysuggested to be 2.5mto build an education centre in Trinidad with the cash to be channelled through him, and later 500,000 to buy Haitis World Cup TV rights for the earthquake-hit nation, also to go through Warner. Triesman identified Warner and three other Fifa executivesNicolas Leoz, Ricardo Teixeira and Worawi Makudi for their improper and unethical behaviour.

Warner, whos already denied the bribery allegations, was openly dismissive. I never asked anybody for anything. When these guys came here, they offered to help.

I took them to Longdenville to show them a place in Longdenville where they could put playground for the people of Longdenville. I had a function for them at a Government school.

They promised to come back but they never did. Thats all, he said. Warner said the timing of the allegations is curious and he expects that therell be more to come.

He observed that Andrew Jennings, an English journalist whos made Fifa his beat, was expected to appear before the committee in two weeks time and hell come with his bit of garbage to talk about Jack Warner, Fifa and Blatter.

I think that nobody, honestly, of substance could take those guys seriously. At the end of the day, I can hold my head tall, I could stand up and say to the world I never asked for this, he said. He advised committee members that rather than find scapegoats, England should instead look dispassionately why its bid failed.

Bin Hamman, whos vying to be Fifa president, defended the organisation. With allegations, evidence is needed. The evidence is very important.

When you come with allegations, bring the evidence and I think youll be more credible, he said What I think is that Fifa is not corrupted. We are all working within the football arena. We are victims of the prosperity of the game, Hamman told reporters.

Warner found himself at the centre of British rage last year after Fifa awarded the 2018 World Cup to Russia. The Concacaf president had been courted by England Prime Minister David Cameron; Prince William, the second in line to the British throne and football superstar David Beckham.

Warner, one of 22 Fifa executive committee members holding crucial World Cup votes, was accused by sections of the media of promising England the important Concacaf votes but failing to deliver.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 11, 2011, 04:51:59 AM
Warner denies ex-FA chairman's accusations.
T&T Express Reports.


FIFA FAVOURS

Former English Football Association chairman David Triesman has accused FIFA executive committee members Jack Warner, Ricardo Teixeira, Nicolas Leoz and Worawi Makudi of asking for favours in return for their votes for England's 2018 World Cup bid.

Triesman was giving evidence yesterday to a parliamentary enquiry into the reasons why England failed in its bid to secure the finals which were awarded to Russia last December.

MPs involved in the inquiry also revealed the names of two other FIFA Executive Committee members who, it is alleged, were paid US$1.5 million (916,636 pounds) to vote for Qatar's successful 2022 World Cup bid.

Conservative MP Damian Collins said the committee had evidence from the Sunday Times which it would publish that FIFA vice-president Issa Hayatou of Cameroon and Jacques Anouma of the Ivory Coast were paid by Qatar.

Two other executive committee members were banned by FIFA's Ethics Committee last year after a previous Sunday Times investigation into the World Cup bidding process.

The claims are an embarrassment for the game's governing body with a total eight of its 24-strong key decision-making executive committee having now been accused by the British media or its parliamentary representatives of corruption.

Its 75-year-old president Sepp Blatter will stand for a further four-year term at its helm on June 1 in Zurich. He was first elected in 1998. Asian Football Confederation chief Mohamed Bin Hammam is opposing him.

Triesman spoke at the parliamentary enquiry of the "improper and unethical behaviour" by the four men he named.

Giving exact details about the conversations, he said Warner asked for 2.5 million pounds to be "channelled through me" for an education centre in his home country Trinidad and Tobago.

After the Haiti earthquake struck leaving that country devastated, Warner then asked Triesman for 500,000 pounds to buy Haiti World Cup TV rights.

Triesman said Paraguayan Leoz had requested a knighthood in return for his vote, while Teixeira told him "Come and tell me what you have for me."

Thai Makudi wanted control of the television rights for a proposed Thailand vs England friendly.

"We had a number of conversations with Mr Makudi, telephone conversations," Triesman said.

"These were some of the things that were put to me personally, sometimes in the presence of others, which in my view did not represent proper and ethical behaviour on the part of members of the executive committee," he added.

FIFA president Blatter responded to Triesman's comment at a news conference in Zurich.

"I was shocked...but one has to see the evidence," Blatter said.

"There is a new round of information, give us time to digest that and start the investigation by asking for evidence on what has been said.

"I repeat, we must have the evidence and we will react immediately against all those in breach of the ethics code rules."

Collins clarified the allegations against Hayatou and Anouma.

"The Sunday Times submission, and this is to be published by us later, claims that 1.5 million dollars was paid to FIFA executive committee members Issa Hayatou and Jacques Anouma who went on to vote for Qatar 2022," he said, adding that the submission also said that Qatar employed a fixer to arrange deals with African members for their votes."

Mike Lee, who worked as a consultant on Qatar's bid, gave evidence.

"I personally have never witnessed any improper behaviour and have no evidence that the allegations are correct," he said.

The vote to stage the 2018 and 2022 World Cups was mired in controversy, with England at the heart of it.

Triesman was forced to resign from the FA last year after a newspaper sting in which he was taped during a private conversation claiming 2018 rivals Spain and Russia were conspiring to bribe referees at last year's World Cup in South Africa.

A FIFA investigation found no substance to those allegations by Triesman.

FIFA banned Nigerian Amos Adamu and Reynauld Temarii of Tahiti, president of the Oceania Football Confederation, from its executive committee in November over a report in the Sunday Times that they had offered to sell their votes.

When England's bid failed last December, receiving just two out of 22 votes, it sparked bitter recriminations and Roger Burden, the acting FA chairman, stated that he could no longer trust FIFA members and withdrew his candidacy for the job.

(http://media.trinidadexpress.com/images/1305086729658s14.jpg)
TOTALLY FALSE: Minister of Works and Transport Jack Warner shows documents at the sod-turning ceremony to commence work at the Couva Overpass yesterday. Warner denied asking for favours in return for voting for England's 2018 World Cup bid. Photo: DAVE PERSAD
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 11, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
http://www.kaltura.com/index.php/kwidget/wid/1_2a0k2q1w/uiconf_id/1892491
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 12, 2011, 04:58:38 AM
Fifa wants evidence against Warner.
T&T Guardian Reports.


GENEVAFootballs world governing body, Fifa, has asked the English FA to provide evidence four of its executive members, including T&T government minister Jack Warner, solicited favours in exchange for backing Londons 2018 World Cup bid.

The move comes following Lord Triesmans controversial allegations on Tuesday before a parliamentary inquiry into the failed bid, that Fifa executives asked for bribes in return for their votes.

Russia was eventually granted the rights to host 2018 World Cup while England failed to make it past the first round of voting.

Fifa Secretary General Jerome Valcke has today, 11 May 2011, sent a letter to The Football Association Chairman David Bernstein in which he, on behalf of Fifa, requests a complete report from Lord David Triesman (former Chairman of The FA) on the statements that he made yesterday in front of the House of Commons, as well as any and all documentary evidence at his disposal in relation to those statements, Fifa said in a statement yesterday. Warner has already rejected Lord Triesmans claims as nonsense, contending the former chairman of Englands bid committee was trying to resurrect his political career.

Fifa president Sepp Blatter, meanwhile, promised to resolve the crisis before he comes up for re-election on June 1. We have to do it now immediately. We have exactly three weeks to do so, Blatter said in an interview with Qatar-based network Al-Jazeera.

Blatter is seeking a fourth and final four-year term against Qatari challenger Mohamed bin Hammam, who was a central figure in his countrys victoriousand controversialbid to host the 2022 World Cup. Triesman told British lawmakers that four long-standing Fifa officialsWarner, Nicolas Leoz, Ricardo Teixeira and Worawi Makudirequested bribes in the 2018 bidding.

Lawmakers were also told in a submission from The Sunday Times that Qatar paid $1.5 million to two more Fifa officials, Issa Hayatou and Jacques Anouma, in the 2022 contest. Qatar won the vote, beating the United States in the final round. Fifa said it has asked the newspaper for more evidence of information it received from a whistleblower within Qatars bid.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on May 12, 2011, 05:28:55 AM
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 12, 2011, 05:37:02 AM
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.

yea as much as ah does bash Jack. Wrong is wrong and Treisman should have brought this up long time.Why now?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 12, 2011, 06:22:00 AM
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on May 12, 2011, 07:14:16 AM
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.

laughable...

free yourself Coops
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2011, 07:22:30 AM
Some how with all the allegations against FIFA, I get the feeling soon we will see a mass investigation like the one that exposed the IOC.

Here is an article where Texeira was caught, admitted that he misled the courts and yet is still in charge.
 
http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2010/07/12/the-2014-world-cup-in-brazil-or-ricardo-teixeiras-fiefdom/
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on May 12, 2011, 08:17:31 AM
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.

yea as much as ah does bash Jack. Wrong is wrong and Treisman should have brought this up long time.Why now?

ENT is Like Jerlean John crying tears at d COI ind airport scandal. CROCODILE TEARS
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.

I glad England get shaft because they had no right 2 sleep wit d devil at least Panday did get in govt when he did that. What they get?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 12, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.

laughable...

free yourself Coops


No on can free themself after Jacukla bite them!  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on May 13, 2011, 01:16:34 PM
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?

I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.

However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.

Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 13, 2011, 08:48:13 PM
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?

I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.

However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.

Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?

He didn't need ah parliamentary enquiry to come out and talk.Wrong is wrong.Now we dunno who lying.It could be sour grapes man or squeeze yuh balls man.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 02:27:50 AM
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?

I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.

However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.

Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?
        I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 14, 2011, 06:04:28 AM
Evidence hard to come by.
ESPN.


The inquiry into Lord Triesman's allegations of World Cup corruption will struggle to find corroboration of the claims against three of the four FIFA members named by the former Football Association chairman.

Senior officials who worked with Triesman on England's 2018 World Cup bid believe only the claims against Jack Warner of Trinidad and Tobago can be backed up by others.

The other allegations made by Triesman in Parliament this week against Thailand's Worawi Makudi, Brazil's Ricardo Terra Teixeira and Paraguay's Nicolas Leoz came as a surprise to those who had worked on the campaign.

The FA has appointed James Dingemans QC to review the Triesman claims and speak to anyone who can back them up, with the deputy High Court judge due to report back by May 27.

Dingemans will also investigate whether Triesman reported any of these allegations to fellow England 2018 board members at the time, and whether this raises any issues of corporate governance over the running of the bid.

Richard Caborn, who was former Prime Minister Gordon Brown's envoy on England's bid, said: "I believe the FA had no alternative but to appoint an independent person to investigate these allegations and I am pleased they have done so.

"It is now incumbent on Lord Triesman to provide all the information on which he has based these allegations, in order to protect the wellbeing of the game in this country and the integrity of the FA."

There will be first-hand evidence of Warner's alleged requests for cash to build an education centre and 500,000 to cover TV rights to show the World Cup in earthquake-hit Haiti.

Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards has confirmed to ESPNsoccernet he was present at the meeting where Triesman said Warner asked for the education centre, and other officials were aware of the Haiti request.

The other allegations will be less easy to back up. Triesman said Makudi demanded the television rights for a friendly between England and Thailand, but a number of bid officials contacted by the Press Association, under the agreement they would remain anonymous, insisted that was never communicated to them.

Other officials were also present when Triesman met Leoz in Paraguay, but again his claim this week that the South American asked for a knighthood caused surprise to England 2018 bid staff.

There also appears to be no corroboration for his allegation that Teixeira said to him "You come and tell me what you have for me".

Meanwhile, FIFA president Sepp Blatter has predicted he will be re-elected by a two-thirds majority on June 1.

Blatter is standing against Mohamed Bin Hammam and told Swiss newspaper Blick: "South America, Central and North America, Europe, Oceania and a large part of Africa and Asia will continue to support my ideas."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 14, 2011, 06:06:25 AM
FIFA remains a scandalously run organization.
GRAHAME L. JONES / Los Angeles Times
 

Despite all that has happened on his watch, Sepp Blatter appears set for an easy reelection as president of soccer's governing body.

It would be exceptionally satisfying to state here that FIFA was on its knees and unable to stand up for the count.

Sadly, that count will go ahead, and when it is over June 1 and soccer's latest presidential election has been held, Joseph "Sepp" Blatter very likely will still be the head of the sport's international governing body.

No amount of corruption, it seems, can bring down the 75-year-old Swiss. Snakes might be rare in Switzerland, but snake oil is obviously in plentiful supply, and Blatter is one of its most successful salesmen.

There is only one candidate running against Blatter, but Qatar's Mohamed Bin Hammam, 62, is every bit as unsavory and untrustworthy as Blatter, whose schmoozing and glad-handing not to mention the doling out of huge favors has kept him in office for 13 years and through two reelection campaigns.

The survival trick that Blatter learned from his former boss and predecessor Brazil's autocratic Joao Havelange, who held sway at FIFA headquarters for 24 years is to orchestrate matters in such a way that you are surrounded by yes men.

Dishing out the favors a World Cup here, a few million dollars in "development" funds there keeps everyone in line. In that way, the very people who are supposed to keep the checks and balances instead keep only the checks.

Keep denying that unethical behavior goes on and before long the general public ceases to care. Another scandal? Oh, not to worry, it's just FIFA. That's business as usual at FIFA headquarters in Zurich.

Swiss authorities are about as powerful as the Swiss military, which is to say they are a flock of bleating lambs, and FIFA has carte blanche to do as it likes behind the Swiss borders and Swiss bank accounts.

So Blatter stays in power, even as this week once again has exposed just how rife with ethically dubious behavior his entire organization is.

In October, not long before Russia and Qatar were selected to stage the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, respectively, under enormously suspicious circumstances and at the expense of far-better-qualified England and the U.S., a major scandal broke.

An English newspaper investigation by the Sunday Times revealed the susceptibility of FIFA executive committee members to bribery. Six current or former members were subsequently banned from soccer for one to four years.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 14, 2011, 10:55:52 AM
Coop's,

Watch yuhself. Yuh betta know what time it is homeboy. Time to get off de corruption wagon as people lorsing dey job for corruption or defending it. Give up dis "I-go-martyr-mehself-for-we-boy-Jackula-as he-runnin'-de gravy-dat-I-seek" mentality and get a life and buss' it from dah crowd. Make some new alliances soldyah. Ask Flex if you could join wit' him, Big Mag, Patriot, Tallman and de rest of the talent around and form a new TTFF. If yuh tink yuh too old and "been dey dun dat" den just chill and doh get in people way. Fuhget Scamps, Jackula and dem ass-hole lickers. Dey is a lorse cause and when people feel is safe to betray dem, it go be bad bad  ........................... a real stink fall. Just try and be a Coop's that we can look up to and doh let Jackula destroy yuh legacy, by association. I personally like heroes and I want yuh to stay a hero, but yuh behaviour is seriously jeopardizing this and damaging the currency of your "words of wisdom".

Respect.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 01:06:48 PM
Coop's,

Watch yuhself. Yuh betta know what time it is homeboy. Time to get off de corruption wagon as people lorsing dey job for corruption or defending it. Give up dis "I-go-martyr-mehself-for-we-boy-Jackula-as he-runnin'-de gravy-dat-I-seek" mentality and get a life and buss' it from dah crowd. Make some new alliances soldyah. Ask Flex if you could join wit' him, Big Mag, Patriot, Tallman and de rest of the talent around and form a new TTFF. If yuh tink yuh too old and "been dey dun dat" den just chill and doh get in people way. Fuhget Scamps, Jackula and dem ass-hole lickers. Dey is a lorse cause and when people feel is safe to betray dem, it go be bad bad  ........................... a real stink fall. Just try and be a Coop's that we can look up to and doh let Jackula destroy yuh legacy, by association. I personally like heroes and I want yuh to stay a hero, but yuh behaviour is seriously jeopardizing this and damaging the currency of your "words of wisdom".

Respect.
         This sounds like a threat boy,ah really have to watch my back,this don't seem like the forum for me,i thought they say it's all about entertainment but peeps taking it serious and wondering where all the violence in T&T coming from,if people who are supposed to be educated behaving like this what we expect of who not.Breds i don't know you but i'm sure you know me,if i'm any where i guess i could be attacked and don't who attack me,i wish you all the best with your threats,i was always safe and well protected at home and it continue to be that way because i never had anything to hide.
        I never thought this forum would of come to this although i want to thank Tallman and Flex for a job well done.     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 14, 2011, 03:22:59 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
       Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on May 14, 2011, 05:05:38 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
       Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.     

Coop's de man didn't threaten yuh... he trying to tell yuh that yuh putting yuh legacy at risk.  "Watch yuhself" means "careful"... yuh jeopardizing yuh good name.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 05:27:29 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
       Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.     

Coop's de man didn't threaten yuh... he trying to tell yuh that yuh putting yuh legacy at risk.  "Watch yuhself" means "careful"... yuh jeopardizing yuh good name.
       For some time now i realize i'm up against a little syndicate,anyone i respond or talk too it offends everybody,by now you all should realize i represent and speak for myself,i have no supporting cast,i does just try to change the tone of the topics that goes on here,i have nothing to benefit or gain from anything that goes on here,what i had to gain was gained already,alyu getting on as though i fighting with alyu,i never threaten or abuse anyone here but anything i say i'm attacked for no reason at all,i don't know any of you on here i met Flex and it was the best experience i had (what a guy) but i must say you all letting him down,i told you all already don't take me on,i can't do anything for you all,i'm old school and will stay old school because that's what i know,all my friends are the same way so continue with all the stupid talk alyu carrying with,if you notice we in control. 
            :beermug: Cheers my dear Friends
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on May 14, 2011, 05:34:23 PM

       For some time now i realize i'm up against a little syndicate,anyone i respond or talk too it offends everybody,by now you all should realize i represent and speak for myself,i have no supporting cast,i does just try to change the tone of the topics that goes on here,i have nothing to benefit or gain from anything that goes on here,what i had to gain was gained already,alyu getting on as though i fighting with alyu,i never threaten or abuse anyone here but anything i say i'm attacked for no reason at all,i don't know any of you on here i met Flex and it was the best experience i had (what a guy) but i must say you all letting him down,i told you all already don't take me on,i can't do anything for you all,i'm old school and will stay old school because that's what i know,all my friends are the same way so continue with all the stupid talk alyu carrying with,if you notice we in control. 
            :beermug: Cheers my dear Friends

You have a real active imagination fella... I probably offend 10x as many people here with my blunt talk, compared to you.  I not part of no "syndicate" and I not defending or taking offense fuh anybody.  I comment because I can't believe that a man of your stature (being on the inside and seeing for yourself) would still defend Jack.  I not trying to change yuh "tone" or nutten like dat.  This conspiracy yuh talking about... I can't help yuh with that.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 06:52:37 PM
Bakes,look buddy,you and i had our little ups and downs on this forum at one time,the bottom line was that i was taking things too serious and should relax myself a bit this is all about entertainment,what's happening is people want to be serious when they want and turn things into a joke when ever it suits them,it's a public forum and people entitled to their own opinions.
Everybody on here have me down as Jack boy just because i support some of his views/ideas/what ever he does,let me tell you all something,the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini,i support the TTFF because it has done a lot for me and still continues to do a lot for me,you all will never know the kind of respect we  get out here because of Jack,you will never know if you stay in T&T it's the only place he gets no respect,every and any Footballer weather they like him or not can tell of the help they got from him at one time or the other,it's not all bad guys sometimes we can give credit where credit is due.
You feel i studied Jack when i played Football?i played Football because i loved the game,the man i used to study was my father because he did not like me playing Football,he was all about books but i was determined, sports was a comfort to me and Football was what i did best,the rest is history.
I'm on this forum sometime now and have seem a lot of good guys leave without any kind of notice and always wondered why,i think is time.     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on May 14, 2011, 07:21:19 PM
Bakes,look buddy,you and i had our little ups and downs on this forum at one time,the bottom line was that i was taking things too serious and should relax myself a bit this is all about entertainment,what's happening is people want to be serious when they want and turn things into a joke when ever it suits them,it's a public forum and people entitled to their own opinions.
Everybody on here have me down as Jack boy just because i support some of his views/ideas/what ever he does,let me tell you all something,the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini,i support the TTFF because it has done a lot for me and still continues to do a lot for me,you all will never know the kind of respect we  get out here because of Jack,you will never know if you stay in T&T it's the only place he gets no respect,every and any Footballer weather they like him or not can tell of the help they got from him at one time or the other,it's not all bad guys sometimes we can give credit where credit is due.
You feel i studied Jack when i played Football?i played Football because i loved the game,the man i used to study was my father because he did not like me playing Football,he was all about books but i was determined, sports was a comfort to me and Football was what i did best,the rest is history.
I'm on this forum sometime now and have seem a lot of good guys leave without any kind of notice and always wondered why,i think is time.     

It is a public forum and you free to comment as you like. 

I disagree with you that we get respect around the world because of Jack... if anything Jack brings disrepute to the nation. 

Also contrary to what you state, I think it's only IN Trinidad that Jack gets any respect.  The rest of the world just tolerate him b/c they know they need to kiss his ass to get what they need from FIFA.

I also agree that with Jack it's not all bad... he has done some good.  However, whatever good seems to be negated by his greed, vindictiveness and corruption.

I not here to fight you down on yuh opinion, but what gets me is the delight you seem to take in taunting those who oppose him, especially those who oppose him here.  But as yuh say... maybe is all juss kicks.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on May 14, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 14, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 15, 2011, 09:42:54 AM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 15, 2011, 11:41:20 AM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   

Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.

Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are trying to expose to help bring about change in how FIFA operates.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 15, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   

Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.

Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are trying to expose to help bring about change in how FIFA operates.

        Those guys don't play for TTFF Breds they play for us,their country,the people.Any how alyu right. :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 15, 2011, 05:55:28 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   

Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.

Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are trying to expose to help bring about change in how FIFA operates.

        Those guys don't play for TTFF Breds they play for us,their country,the people.Any how alyu right. :beermug:

That is what we are first led to believe until reality hits us!
Truth be told, the T&T football team is treated as the personal property of Jack & TTFF.
We the fans have very little or no say in how the TTFF is run, who is in charge and none of them see them self as accountable to us the fans!
So in reality the T&T football team is Jacks & the TTFFs team and not our team otherwise how could Jack impose a blacklist on players as he sees fit and tell the senior national coach which players he is allowed to pick?!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on May 15, 2011, 08:17:45 PM
EVIL...    E ..FU#KIN..VIL
Title: Special on Jack Warner on right now on TV6!!
Post by: Socapro on May 16, 2011, 05:41:21 PM
Quite entertaining!!  :)

http://www.tv6tnt.tv/TV6_Brightcove/default2.html

Sorry it done!

Part 2 will be on again as part of the TV6 news same time tomorrow as part of the 7 O'Clock News!

Mods, you could move this thread to General if allyuh want or merge with the Jack Warner thread!  ;)
Title: Re: Special on Jack Warner on right now on TV6!!
Post by: tempo on May 16, 2011, 05:57:30 PM
What was discussed?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: kev on May 23, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
Another Andrew Jennings Panorama programme tonigh, jack got a couple of mentions.

Couple things of interest:-

had a ticket dealer on, he paid Jack 220,000 Euro (240,000 can't remember what was said) in cash for T & T allocated World Cup Tickets with a face value of 82,000 Euro for 2006 World Cup.   


FIFA are blocking the settlement document for ISL? case from being released or trying to until after the election.


Have until end of year to be transparent in Switzerland or find a new home according to a Swiss MP.


Title: PANORAMA: Fifa Football's Shame was on BBC TV tonight!
Post by: Socapro on May 23, 2011, 03:29:35 PM
Here is the link to view recording of programme that should be uploaded on BBC iPlayer soon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011kq71/Panorama_Fifa_Footballs_Shame/

Programme summary:

On June 1 2011, the world's football associations will elect a new president of Fifa: either current incumbent Sepp Blatter, or his challenger from Qatar, Mohamed Bin Hammam.

The organisation they want to head is facing the biggest crisis in its history over allegations of corruption in its senior ranks. At its heart are questions over the World Cup bidding process and the multi-million dollar bribes scandal which Fifa refuses to investigate.

As Fifa's host nation Switzerland demands that football's world governing body clean up its act, Andrew Jennings asks whether either candidate is up to the job.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 23, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
Another Andrew Jennings Panorama programme tonigh, jack got a couple of mentions.

Couple things of interest:-

had a ticket dealer on, he paid Jack 220,000 Euro (240,000 can't remember what was said) in cash for T & T allocated World Cup Tickets with a face value of 82,000 Euro for 2006 World Cup.   


FIFA are blocking the settlement document for ISL? case from being released or trying to until after the election.


Have until end of year to be transparent in Switzerland or find a new home according to a Swiss MP.


I won't be surprised if push comes to shove and FIFA gets booted out of Switzerland for lack of transparency that Jack the King maker decides to offer FIFA a new safe home for their cloudy headquarters in Trinidad!  8)
Title: Re: PANORAMA: Fifa Football's Shame was on BBC TV tonight!
Post by: boss on May 24, 2011, 04:02:29 AM
So according to this, JW sold plenty WC 2006 tickets for 3 times face value. This are separate from the Simpauls tickets. Classy.  ::)
Title: Re: PANORAMA: Fifa Football's Shame was on BBC TV tonight!
Post by: weary1969 on May 24, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
So according to this, JW sold plenty WC 2006 tickets for 3 times face value. This are separate from the Simpauls tickets. Classy.  ::)

Y u think u could not get any tickets from the TTFF 4 d England game? Sweden/Paraguay no problem but England. patriot I tink is d only person I know who got a ticket 4 dat game from d TTFF. But he is a determine fella.
Title: Re: PANORAMA: Fifa Football's Shame was on BBC TV tonight!
Post by: boss on May 24, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
So according to this, JW sold plenty WC 2006 tickets for 3 times face value. This are separate from the Simpauls tickets. Classy.  ::)

Y u think u could not get any tickets from the TTFF 4 d England game? Sweden/Paraguay no problem but England. patriot I tink is d only person I know who got a ticket 4 dat game from d TTFF. But he is a determine fella.

They didn't specify the matches the tickets were for...but the theory makes sense  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2011, 06:56:35 PM
FIFA stunned by Caribbean battle - Bribery allegations spark election chaos.
By: Lasana Liburd (Playthegame).


Three of FIFAs most powerful men, President Sepp Blatter, presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam and Vice-President and would-be king maker Jack Warner face the Ethics Committee Sunday in Zurich, Switzerland while a fourth, Executive Committee member and CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer, can feasibly sink one, two or all three parties or even go down in flames himself.

Blazer will present evidence which contends that, on May 10 and 11 in Trinidad, Bin Hammam, aided by Warner, attempted to influence next weeks FIFA presidential election by offering US$40,000 to each Caribbean Football Union (CFU) association.

Bin Hammam, a Qatari millionaire, responded by reporting Blatter to the Ethics Committee for failing to act despite knowledge of wrongdoing, which also violates FIFAs Code of Ethics. It is arguably a more plausible threat than it is a defense.

Warner took longer to mount a response but the Trinidad and Tobago MP also choose the offensive.

In the next couple days you will see a football tsunami that will hit FIFA and the world that will shock you, said Warner, during an adjournment of Parliament on Friday. The time has come when I must stop playing dead so youll see it (between) now and Monday.

Whatever tomorrows ruling or the result of Wednesdays presidential electionsif indeed there is oneit seems highly unlikely that any outcome would lift the spirits of football fans worldwide.

Zurich might be situated on the Swiss Plateau but there have been no reported sightings of moral high ground at FIFAs headquarters.

The CONCACAF voting machine
The present day CONCACAF and the CFU were virtually tailor-made by previous FIFA president Joao Havelange who personally charmed delegates on Warners behalf, hours before the Trinidadian was first elected as CONCACAF president in 1990. Warner repaid Havelange by turning CONCACAF into a vote machine for the president and he enjoyed a similar relationship with his replacement, Blatter.

Twenty-five of CONCACAFs 35 national associations are situated in the Caribbean Sea and this numerical imbalance made Warner, who was CFU President since the organisations inception in 1979, untouchable in the Confederation and a real powerbroker within FIFA. That is, until now.

The speed and audaciousness of Blazers challenge, which is viewed more in political than moral terms in the Caribbean, took the breath away and even the usually loquacious Warner was economical with his words.

The FIFA VP claimed to be laughing like hell when ex-England FA chairman Lord David Triesman accused him of soliciting a bribe during the 2018 and 2022 World Cup bidding campaigns but he was more circumspect this week.

I am unaware of the particulars of the matter being investigated by FIFA at this time, Warner stated on Wednesday, via press release, so I will therefore abstain from any comment.

It took three days and a meeting with his CFU colleagues before Warner recovered his bluster as he charged his accusers of everything from racism and envy to a hatred for small nations. He sidestepped the fact that the whistleblowers share his ethnicity and largely come from even tinier islands.

I am in FIFA for 29 consecutive years (and) I was the first black man to have ever been in FIFA at this level, he said. I have come from the smallest country ever to be on the FIFA executive committee... I am wielding more power in FIFA now than sometimes even the president, I must be the envy of others.

There has been a palpable surprise elsewhere in the Caribbean where football officials believed in Warners infallibility due to FIFAs seemingly endless patience with his indiscretions.

The howof this scandalwas only slightly less mystifying than the why.

in the interest of fair play
On May 3, 2011, Warner was returned unopposed as president at the CONCACAF Congress in Miami, USA for a sixth successive term. Blatter was there to personally congratulate Warner while UEFA President Michel Platini, who is expected to vie for the FIFA presidency in four years, and FIFA Vice-President Angel Maria Villar were among the high profile attendees.

Conspicuously absent was Bin Hammam who supposedly could not get a visa to attend although the Qatari was thought to hold a diplomatic passport.

Warner stressed that CONCACAF would vote as a bloc but the confederationusually fiercely loyal to the incumbent presidentremained undecided. He told Blatter and the gathering that separate arrangements were made for Bin Hammam to meet CONCACAF officials in Trinidad in the interest of fair play.
Only Caribbean officials were eventually invited to Trinidad though.

I think Blatter felt Warner was double crossing him, said one CFU member, who asked to remain anonymous.

What did Blazer think?

Blazer enters the stage
There had been no obvious sign of friction between the old chums and, despite whispers that Warner wanted to replace the American on the FIFA Executive Committee, the CONCACAF Congress passed without incident.

Sunil Gulati, president of the United States Soccer Federation (USSF), was openly less happy with his lot in life. The American was bypassed for the post of CONCACAF vice-president by wealthy Mexican businessman Guillermo Canedo White and was heard mumbling loudly that no one would tell him who to select as FIFA President.

On May 10, Bin Hammam arrived at the Piarco International Airport in Trinidad and was met by Warner, who also holds the position of Trinidad and Tobagos Minister of Works and Transport.

At the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain, Bin Hammam met Warners Caribbean neighbours. It is alleged that the Qatari brought over US$1 million in cash with him.

Did Blazer suspect that Warners private meeting on his own turf would be a likely venue for mischief? (Qatar was accused of bribing its way to hosting the 2022 World Cup at the expense of other bidding countries including the US). Did Blatter have his doubts?

Insiders allege that envelopes containing US$40,000 were offered to the various national associations. The Trinidadian duo of Jason Sylvester and Debbie Minguell, the CFU event coordinator and assistant general secretary respectively, were accused of helping facilitate the transfer.

It was not believed to be the most clandestine of operations though.
There were two delegates from (a named association) that burst the envelope in two and split the amount right in front of everyone, alleged another anonymous Caribbean official.

Some CFU officials declined the offer, which is not unprecedented. But what did stun the football world is that they dared to report upwards.

Turning in the boss
American lawyer John Collins has a reputation as Warners hatchet-man and his Caribbean trips maintained the status quo in islands like Antigua and Barbuda, Grenada, Dominica and St Kitts and Nevis whenever there was a challenge to CONCACAF policy.

Earlier this month, though, it was Blazer who dispatched Collins and he returned from the Caribbean with a damning report on his own boss that was said to contain sworn affidavits and, according to the second Caribbean official, even a taped recording and photographs. Remarkably, neither Warner nor his trusted cohorts caught wind of his intentions.

On May 24, FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke referred Bin Hammam, Warner, Sylvester and Minguell to the Ethics Committee based on evidence forwarded by Blazer.

Something is going on and I dont understand what, said a third Caribbean administrator. It must be about the (failed World Cup 2022) USA bid. Chuck must need to destroy the man from Qatar to get the USAs bid back on track.

He refused to believe that Blazer and Collins had really turned on their boss and alleged that Blatter was no stranger to pre-election inducements himself. He pointed to the 2002 presidential elections when the FIFA President was challenged by Issa Hayatou of Cameroon.

Blatter gave Warner an envelope at the 2002 CONCACAF congress that he said contained money for two Goal (developmental) projects, said the official. So how is this different? Maybe they want to eliminate Bin Hammam but I do not think they would touch Warner.

Blatter has repeatedly denied ever misusing FIFA funds for personal gain.

A possible new dawn for CONCACAF
But Warner, who is sometimes referred to as Teflon Jack in Caribbean circles, looks vulnerable to other insiders. Should Blatter survive Bin Hammams challenge, they say, the incumbent, who promised to step down after this term, would no longer need votes from Warner or anyone else.

In any case, if Warner and his cohorts were weeded out as a result of tomorrows hearing, Blatter could muscle someone into the top CONCACAF post and attempt to strike deals with a new-look CFU.

Two years ago, then Grenada FA president Ashley Folkes was ousted from his post, courtesy of a Collins report, months after he openly criticized Warner. Now, he is thrilled by the possibility of a new dawn in the Caribbean but suspicious at its execution.

Those Caribbean officials who signed affidavits had to be extremely confident that this was the end of Jack, he said. They would have had to be convinced by (persons higher up) that everything would be alright because, if this doesnt work out, it would be the end of them

Outside of Antiguan general secretary (Gordon) Derrick, I dont see anyone being brave enough to do that.

Derrick, who does not hold any CFU position, may indeed be a man of integrity. But there is no evidence to suggest that he is not an anomaly in FIFA.

To be clear, there is little chance of a hero emerging from this carnage. Blazer, who Blatter praised for his civic courage, stood dutifully by Warners side for over two decades through dozens of allegations chargessome proven, most ignoredwith nary a word about corruption.

Blazer has a chequered past himself and was condemned, in 2006, by New York judge Loretta A Preska for his role in the Mastercard scandal. FIFA was forced to settle with their former sponsor after secretly offering a lucrative contract to Visa.

Mr Blazers testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanour and on his evasive answers on cross-examination, said Justice Preska.

Blazer and Warner were as thick as thieves.

In fact, Warner, a Trinidadian MP, credited Blazer, an American, with pushing him to run for the top CONCACAF post back in November 1989. The request came while Warner was before a Commission of Enquiry in his homeland for knowingly selling tens of thousands of tickets above the capacity of Trinidad and Tobagos National Stadiumthe former schoolteacher admitted to the crime in his autobiography although he denied it at the time.

In the investigative football book, Foul, English investigative journalist Andrew Jennings alleged that bribes were paid too when Blatter was first elected FIFA President. And it was Blatter who let Warner off with a reprimand and then a fine when he was found guilty of hijacking Trinidad and Tobagos allocation of 2006 World Cup tickets and then trading tickets on the black market and refused to sanction the administrator despite being found guilty of attempting to cheat the Soca Warriors of owed bonuses. (The 2006 World Cup players received their first court ordered installment, five years late, a week after Bin Hammam left Trinidad).

Over the next four days, starting with tomorrows hearing, Blatter, Bin Hammam, Blazer and Warner would fight it out for sustained power in world football.

The price of knives in Zurich will probably go through the roof.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2011, 09:00:51 AM
Two other Trinis charged with Warner
By Ian Prescott (May 27, 2011).


THE two other people named to face a FIFA tribunal in Zurich, Switzerland on Sunday are both from Trinidad and Tobago and work for Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

Warner, also president of CONCACAF, and Asian Football Confederation president Mohamed Bin Hammam are both facing allegations of bribery linked to FIFA presidential elections on June 1. They face lengthy suspensions if the bribery allegations are proven.

FIFA also said CFU employees Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester are under investigation.

FIFA acted after receiving a report from FIFA executive committee member American Chuck Blazer regarding Warner and Bin Hammam's alleged conduct at a CFU meeting on May 10-11 in Trinidad and Tobago. On Warner's invitation, Bin Hammam met with 25 Caribbean football leaders at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Port of Spain on May 11 to lobby votes for his candidacy for FIFA president. FIFA vice-president Warner and Bin Hammam are accused of offering bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) for votes in the upcoming FIFA presidential elections on June 1. The Daily Telegraph in London reported that CFU members were offered US$40,000 for their votes in the FIFA presidential elections. Both FIFA officials have declared their innocence in the matter.

Warner, 68, will leave Trinidad tomorrow morning for Zurich where he will answer the allegations before a FIFA Ethics Committee. Minguell and Sylvester both work for the Caribbean Football Union, which is based in Warner's CONCACAF office on Edward Street, Port of Spain. Minguell is currently assistant to CFU general secretary Anganie Kanhai. Minguell has been with the CFU for a while and has previously worked with Kerry Alleyne, who was the first woman to hold the position of CFU general secretary, before resigning in 2006 and migrating to the United States.

A call to the CONCACAF president's office yesterday revealed that Minguell was on vacation. Sylvester has been with CFU for four years where he is the event coordinator. His job includes handling tournaments. Sylvester is currently in Guyana where he is in charge of the CFU Club Championship Finals involving Tempete (Haiti), Alpha (Guyana), Puerto Rico Islanders and Trinidad and Tobago champions Defence Force.

Warner's lawyer Om Lalla was yesterday asked to shed light on whether the Caribbean Football Union officials were also required to travel to Switzerland to face FIFA as well. Lalla, represents both Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.

Lalla would likely represent both Warner and his CFU counterparts, but he could not yet say if the other CFU officials will be required to travel to Zurich. Lalla also said he will confirm today whether he will be accompanying Warner to Zurich.

"It is a tribunal hearing governed by the rules of FIFA," Lalla disclosed. "Like any other tribunal , persons will be call upon to make statements and present whatever evidence, but of the exact details, I don't have the particulars as yet.

"Tomorrow I will be in a much better position to give that, "Lalla said. "Remember, it is a very rushed hearing and at this point we are not certain of the exact procedure. But tomorrow we will probably have some documentation."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on May 29, 2011, 09:15:48 AM
Jack know to much dirt about Blatter, Jack walking FREE !!!!!!!!

This is all bull.... just to fool the public....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: boss on May 29, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
Breaking: Warner and Bin Hammam have been suspended from FIFA pending a full enquiry
Blatter has been cleared
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2011, 10:47:58 AM
Breaking: Warner and Bin Hammam have been suspended from FIFA pending a full enquiry
Blatter has been cleared

 :o
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2011, 10:55:11 AM
Sepp Blatter cleared as Fifa bans Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner

Fifa will open a full investigation into allegations Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner offered financial incentives to members of the Caribbean Football Union and have provisionally suspended them from all football activity, world football's governing body have confirmed.

Sepp Blatter, Fifa's current president, however will not face an investigation into the allegations that he knew about the payments. He will be free to stand for re-election unopposed at Wednesday's presidential vote after Bin Hammam withdrew from the race late on Saturday night.

"No investigation against Blatter is warranted," said the deputy chairman of the ethics committee Petrus Damaseb, who chaired the meeting that heard the evidence.

In relation to Bin Hammam and Warner, he said: "The committee is satisfied there is a case to answer, therefore a case will be held in due course where they will be expected to answer the charges against them."

Fifa have promised to conduct a "full-blown" investigation into the allegations against Bin Hammam and Warner.

More to follow ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/29/fifa-crisis
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 10:57:06 AM
Two other Trinis charged with Warner
By Ian Prescott (May 27, 2011).


These folks making we country look real bad on the international stage!!

But unfortunately they are probably following Jack's example or he could personally have given them tips on how to effectively grease their hands on the job!!  :-[
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 29, 2011, 11:00:32 AM
Hello, doh bad talk Coop's heroes please. These are people we suppose to genuflect to and beg for handouts for football ...... and without dem life jess jess jess cyah go on  :-[
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2011, 11:13:34 AM
I now see this on Facebook  :rotfl:

"FRAUD INFECTED FRIENDS ASSOCIATION"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: 1-868 on May 29, 2011, 11:16:46 AM
Sepp Blatter cleared as Fifa bans Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner

Fifa will open a full investigation into allegations Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner offered financial incentives to members of the Caribbean Football Union and have provisionally suspended them from all football activity, world football's governing body have confirmed.

Sepp Blatter, Fifa's current president, however will not face an investigation into the allegations that he knew about the payments. He will be free to stand for re-election unopposed at Wednesday's presidential vote after Bin Hammam withdrew from the race late on Saturday night.

"No investigation against Blatter is warranted," said the deputy chairman of the ethics committee Petrus Damaseb, who chaired the meeting that heard the evidence.

In relation to Bin Hammam and Warner, he said: "The committee is satisfied there is a case to answer, therefore a case will be held in due course where they will be expected to answer the charges against them."

Fifa have promised to conduct a "full-blown" investigation into the allegations against Bin Hammam and Warner.

More to follow ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/29/fifa-crisis

Wat a ting !!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 29, 2011, 02:06:12 PM
Blazer: Bin Hammam, Warner conspired 'from start'

By Graham Dunbar, AP Sports Writer
ZURICH


American FIFA official Chuck Blazer says Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner conspired to bribe voters "right from the start" of the presidential campaign.

Blazer tells The Associated Press "much more evidence" will emerge in the file of evidence he submitted which sparked the explosive FIFA ethics probe.

The U.S. official expects more Caribbean football leaders to admit they were offered $40,000 cash bribes to back bin Hammam in his election contest with FIFA President Sepp Blatter.

Bin Hammam withdrew Sunday, hours before he was suspended from FIFA pending a full inquiry. Warner was also suspended.

Blatter was cleared of ignoring corruption and is now the only candidate in Wednesday's election.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2011, 02:09:02 PM
Blazer: Bin Hammam, Warner conspired 'from start'

By Graham Dunbar, AP Sports Writer
ZURICH


American FIFA official Chuck Blazer says Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner conspired to bribe voters "right from the start" of the presidential campaign.

Blazer tells The Associated Press "much more evidence" will emerge in the file of evidence he submitted which sparked the explosive FIFA ethics probe.

The U.S. official expects more Caribbean football leaders to admit they were offered $40,000 cash bribes to back bin Hammam in his election contest with FIFA President Sepp Blatter.

Bin Hammam withdrew Sunday, hours before he was suspended from FIFA pending a full inquiry. Warner was also suspended.

Blatter was cleared of ignoring corruption and is now the only candidate in Wednesday's election.



nah boy, this thing looking serious now. I aint sure if Jack could come out this one nah. Them fellahs out to get him.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 02:17:21 PM
I now see this on Facebook  :rotfl:

"FRAUD INFECTED FRIENDS ASSOCIATION"

That's a perfect definition for FIFA!!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: 1-868 on May 29, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
DId Scamp or Rodnt collect the money for the T & T vote?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: boss on May 29, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
Warner's statement in response:  :beermug:

The following is a statement made today by Jack Warner to the media following the news of his suspension by FIFA from all international and national football-related activities.
Re: Today's FIFA decision
 
I attended the FIFA enquiry today at 12 noon pursuant to a request made of me by FIFA to answer allegation made by Chuck Blazer, General Secretary of CONCACAF.
 
I have learned this evening via the media that I have been provisionally suspended by the FIFA Ethics Committee.  This has come both as a shock and surprise to me.  At the conclusion of the enquiry I specifically requested that I be notified of any decision as I had learned via the media before attending the hearing that a decision would be handed down at 5:00PM.  Despite leaving my contact details, up to this point, I still have not received any notification from the FIFA.
 
At the hearing I indicated that I submitted two written statements outlining my position.  I expressed my disappointment with the way in which the enquiry was conducted as I was given less than twenty four hours to submit a statement for consideration by the committee and, moreover, one of the five members of the Committee is from Uruguay and did not have the value of a translated version of my or Mr bin Hammam's submission.  This lack of translation services brings into question the issue of due process.
 
In addition, FIFA did not have the courtesy to provide me with copies of the allegations before the hearing and it was only during the hearing were the allegations read to me.
 
At the hearing, among other things, I was asked about the special meeting with the CFU to hear Mr Bin Hammam and whether such a meeting was normal I indicated that President Blatter earlier this year had held a similar meeting in South Africa with thirty seven countries and no objections had been made of that to date.  In fact this has been the practice of FIFA in holding meetings with member countries before elections.
 
I denied the allegations that I made statements at the CFU meeting about gifts being given by Mr Bin Hammam.  I also indicated that at the Miami CONCACAF Congress on May 3rd Mr. Blatter made a gift of one million USD to CONCACAF to spend as it deems fit. This annoyed President Michel Platini who was present and he approached Secretary General Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the Finance Committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.
 
I also indicated at the CFU meeting held in Trinidad on May 10 which was requested by Mr. Bin Hammam, FIFA through Mr. Blatter organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date.
 
In my statement I attached letters from thirteen Federations whose members attended the CFU Meeting where the allegations of gifts were made.
 
These statements from the 13 members denied the allegations that have been made against me and any participation of these individuals in the act complained of. While with regard to the allegation of payment only one statement was submitted by Collins & Collins.
 
On May 18 when I realised that the political battle between Blatter and Bin Hammam was getting out of hand I wrote Secretary General Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world  which we can ill afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race. To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
 
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC. I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech. By doing so he can say he push Blatter to make new commitments bla bla bla and get out under applause. Before means he is a looser. So...He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the "coup de grace" if you would officially send a message as the CONCACAF President by saying CONCACAF supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."
 
Despite the plea from SG Valcke, I refused to give any advice about how CONCACAF will be voting.
 
At no time during this matter was I ever contacted by Mr. Blazer nor did he contact the Executive or the Emergency Committee of the CONCACAF and it is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the NY District Court Judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the FIFA matter of 7th December 2006 .
 
(para 213) Mr. Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanor on his evasive answers on cross-examination.
 
(para 214) Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanor, Mr. Blazer's testimony as the March 14, 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated.
  
The complaints  made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the FIFA.
 
It is also shocking that at the close of an inquiry at around 5:47pm when the decision was already delivered new evidence in the form of a fax from the Puerto Rico FF appears making allegations which were treated as part of the evidence in this matter. This further demonstrates in the way the enquiry was conducted and the prejudice against me.
 
The decision to suspend me is an abuse of the process and achieves no real purpose as stated in the decision and again demonstrates the bias of this enquiry.
 
I intend to say a lot more on this matter shortly.
 
In the meantime, I will vigorously defend my reputation as well as the reputation of the rest of the Caribbean members.
 
Respectfully submitted
 
Sgd Jack Warner


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 29, 2011, 02:58:31 PM
Boo hoo Jackie boy, boo hoo.....steups!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 29, 2011, 04:00:20 PM
I really feel Jack doing this for soo long he made the cardinal mistake of thinking he is invincible and started to get careless. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 04:41:09 PM
I really feel Jack doing this for soo long he made the cardinal mistake of thinking he is invincible and started to get careless. 

Watch any gangster movie and you will see this is the very reason why the Godfather usually falls in the end!
He either gets careless or some smarter rival takes him out!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 29, 2011, 05:00:14 PM
camps is vulnerable now people Warner is suspended from football activities 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2011, 05:05:57 PM
camps is vulnerable now people Warner is suspended from football activities 
::)
You honestly believe that?!

Warners is fully in charge of his puppet Camps who still has 4 years left of his current term as TTFF president!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 29, 2011, 05:09:12 PM
camps is vulnerable now people Warner is suspended from football activities 
::)
You honestly believe that?!

Warners is fully in charge of his puppet Camps who still has 4 years left of his current term as TTFF president!
Hey i have high hopes 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 29, 2011, 06:54:46 PM
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/bodies/media/newsid=1443230.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 29, 2011, 10:14:09 PM
They are all a bunch of thieves from Blatter all the way on down
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on May 29, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
All of a sudden men absent.

How JW boil down like Baghi so? Wham to de Tsunami? Tide Low or what?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 30, 2011, 07:46:40 AM
JACK CLEARED
...of English FA charges
T&T Express Reports.


There was at least some good news for embattled CONCACAF president Jack Warner yesterday when football's world governing body, FIFA said four executive committee members--including Warner--accused of World Cup bidding corruption had been cleared.

Lord Triesman, the former head of England's 2018 bid told British lawmakers this month that Warner, Nicolas Leoz, Ricardo Teixeira and Worawi Makudi engaged in "improper and unethical" conduct.

The English Football Association haven't released their findings, which were submitted to FIFA during the week. But after reading from the document at a news conference yesterday, FIFA Secretary General Jerome Valcke said the four members are "completely clean."

Russia won the 2018 bid in December. England received only two votes.

Meanwhile, FIFA president Sepp Blatter is likely to again be confirmed in the post for another four-year term this coming Wednesday, following the withdrawal yesterday of his only rival Mohammed Bin Hammam.

Yesterday, Blatter's main rival for the post ended his campaign amid a bitter fall-out over allegations of corruption.

Blatter was at the centre of a FIFA civil war after initiating a FIFA ethics committee tribunal against Asian Football president Bin Hammam and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner on alleged bribery charge linked to the presidential elections. Bin Hammam and Warner, a 28-year FIFA executive, are accused of offering voting incentives to presidential voters at a meeting attended by 25 Caribbean Football Union heads in Trinidad & Tobago on May 11.

CONCACAF general secretary, and FIFA committee member Chuck Blazer accused the men of offering cash incentives to Caribbean Football heads to influence their votes in the elections. Bin Hammam has acknowledged paying for travel, accommodations and conference costs, but denies vote-buying. Instead, he implicated Blatter's camp in a plot to remove him from the election contest, and fought back by bringing the FIFA president into the ethics case.

Yesterday, Blatter was cleared of all charges. However, Bin Hammam and CONCACAF president Warner were provisionally suspended. In suspending the high-powered FIFA officials, the ethics committee ruled that based on evidence presented, there appeared to be a case for a full investigation to be launched against the two. Fellow CFU members Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester have also been provisionally suspended with a full investigation to follow.

"We are satisfied that there is a case to be answered,"said Petrus Damaseb, deputy chairman of the ethics committee. However, FIFA insist that they are innocent until proven guilty. If found guilty, they could be expelled from the organisation and banned from all football activity.

Hours before yesterday's ruling, Blatter was left as the lone candidate for FIFA president when Hammam announced that he had pulled out of the race for the presidency of football's world governing body. As Blatter was due to respond to claims that he knew about cash payments at the centre of a probe targeting Bin Hammam, the latter ended his campaign. Bin Hammam, who decided to run for president after helping Qatar secure the 2022 World Cup, spoke of "baseless allegations" made against him.

"Recent events have left me hurt and disappointedon a professional and personal level," Bin Hammam wrote on his personal website. "It saddens me that standing up for the causes that I believed in has come at a great pricethe degradation of FIFA's reputation. This is not what I had in mind for FIFA and this is unacceptable.

"I cannot allow the game that I loved to be dragged more and more in the mud because of competition between two individuals. The game itself and the people who love it around the world must come first. It is for this reason that I announce my withdrawal from the presidential election."

Meanwhile, Warner in a statement express shock at his suspension. "I have learned this evening via the media that I have been provisionally suspended by the FIFA ethics committee. This has come both as a shock and surprise to me."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 30, 2011, 07:59:04 AM
Warner unleashes his 'tsunami' with Blatter and Valcke accusations.
By: Matt Scott (guardian.co.uk).


Fifa has been rocked further as Sepp Blatter and Jrme Valcke, its two most senior figures, were accused of a "politically motivated" subversion of the presidential election process by one of the men suspended in the ethics committee inquiry.

Jack Warner was the vice-president who had spent almost 30 years on Fifa's executive committee until his provisional suspension on Sunday. Now, having warned of "a football tsunami" ahead of this week's election, he threatens to tear Fifa apart from within, challenging his suspension through the courts.

As a first step he has opened a front on Valcke, who is Fifa's top mandarin as its general secretary. Warner has disclosed an incendiary email in which Valcke discussed the presidential election campaign of the Qatari Fifa executive-committee member Mohamed bin Hammam, who was suspended on Sunday. In the message Valcke appears to accuse Qatar of "buying" the World Cup.

"'For MBH, I never understood why he was running,'" Valcke's email states. "'If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Blatter]. Or he thought you can buy Fifa as they [Qatar] bought the WC."

Valcke has confirmed the email but said it has been quoted selectively. "It was a private email and we will discuss it," Valcke said on Monday. "He sent me an email asking if I want that [Bin Hammam to run], he said I should ask Bin Hammam to pull out."

Qatar released a statement, denying any wrongdoing. It read: "Qatar 2022 categorically deny any wrong doing in connection with their winning bid. We are urgently seeking clarification from Fifa about the statement from their general secretary. In the meantime we are taking legal advice to consider our options."

Valcke's comments to Warner about Bin Hammam cast doubt on his own impartiality in the election process. According to Warner's statement Valcke, who is known to believe that he would be dismissed from Fifa were Bin Hammam to have won Wednesday's election, added in the email: "I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech.

"He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the 'coup de grace' if you would officially send a message as the Concacaf president by saying Concacaf supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."

Warner, the then Concacaf president, refused to offer that support. He claims what followed was evidence of the political "bias" of Fifa's administration in favour of the incumbent president, since it was Valcke who set the ball rolling on the inquiry that has led to the suspensions of Bin Hammam and Warner. "The complaints made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the Fifa," Warner said.

Warner's statement was prepared under legal advice and his case against Fifa will seek to discredit the principal accuser in the ethics committee inquiry. Concacaf's general secretary, Chuck Blazer, ordered the Collins & Collins report into Warner and Bin Hammam's conduct, which formed the basis of the ethics committee decision on Sunday.

"It is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the New York district court judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the Fifa matter of 7 December 2006," wrote Warner, before citing the court decision.

"Mr Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanour on his evasive answers on cross-examination ... Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanour, Mr Blazer's testimony as the 14 March 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated."

The final strand of Warner's attack on the events that led to his suspension on Sunday is against Blatter. Warner accuses Blatter of apportioning Fifa funds for his own political ends in the final weeks before Wednesday's election. "I also indicated that at the Miami Concacaf congress on 3 May Mr Blatter made a gift of $1m to Concacaf to spend as it deems fit," Warner said. "This annoyed [Uefa's] president Michel Platini who was present and he approached Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the finance committee to make this gift to which Jrme [sic] replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter."

The president of a Concacaf federation, in Zurich for a special caucus of the Caribbean, Central and North American confederation, has confirmed that this award had been made. It was in favour of two Goal projects of the confederation's choosing.

Follow all the latest updates on our live blog (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 30, 2011, 11:56:53 AM
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/10/crooked-jack-warner-will-keep-sepp-blatter-in-office-at-fifa-elections/

T&T's image going to tatters long before the FIFA civil war started .....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 08:20:19 PM
Warner unleashes his 'tsunami' with Blatter and Valcke accusations.
By: Matt Scott (guardian.co.uk).


Fifa has been rocked further as Sepp Blatter and Jrme Valcke, its two most senior figures, were accused of a "politically motivated" subversion of the presidential election process by one of the men suspended in the ethics committee inquiry.

Jack Warner was the vice-president who had spent almost 30 years on Fifa's executive committee until his provisional suspension on Sunday. Now, having warned of "a football tsunami" ahead of this week's election, he threatens to tear Fifa apart from within, challenging his suspension through the courts.

As a first step he has opened a front on Valcke, who is Fifa's top mandarin as its general secretary. Warner has disclosed an incendiary email in which Valcke discussed the presidential election campaign of the Qatari Fifa executive-committee member Mohamed bin Hammam, who was suspended on Sunday. In the message Valcke appears to accuse Qatar of "buying" the World Cup.

"'For MBH, I never understood why he was running,'" Valcke's email states. "'If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB [Blatter]. Or he thought you can buy Fifa as they [Qatar] bought the WC."

Valcke has confirmed the email but said it has been quoted selectively. "It was a private email and we will discuss it," Valcke said on Monday. "He sent me an email asking if I want that [Bin Hammam to run], he said I should ask Bin Hammam to pull out."

Qatar released a statement, denying any wrongdoing. It read: "Qatar 2022 categorically deny any wrong doing in connection with their winning bid. We are urgently seeking clarification from Fifa about the statement from their general secretary. In the meantime we are taking legal advice to consider our options."

Valcke's comments to Warner about Bin Hammam cast doubt on his own impartiality in the election process. According to Warner's statement Valcke, who is known to believe that he would be dismissed from Fifa were Bin Hammam to have won Wednesday's election, added in the email: "I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech.

"He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the 'coup de grace' if you would officially send a message as the Concacaf president by saying Concacaf supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."

Warner, the then Concacaf president, refused to offer that support. He claims what followed was evidence of the political "bias" of Fifa's administration in favour of the incumbent president, since it was Valcke who set the ball rolling on the inquiry that has led to the suspensions of Bin Hammam and Warner. "The complaints made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the Fifa," Warner said.

Warner's statement was prepared under legal advice and his case against Fifa will seek to discredit the principal accuser in the ethics committee inquiry. Concacaf's general secretary, Chuck Blazer, ordered the Collins & Collins report into Warner and Bin Hammam's conduct, which formed the basis of the ethics committee decision on Sunday.

"It is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the New York district court judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the Fifa matter of 7 December 2006," wrote Warner, before citing the court decision.

"Mr Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanour on his evasive answers on cross-examination ... Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanour, Mr Blazer's testimony as the 14 March 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated."

The final strand of Warner's attack on the events that led to his suspension on Sunday is against Blatter. Warner accuses Blatter of apportioning Fifa funds for his own political ends in the final weeks before Wednesday's election. "I also indicated that at the Miami Concacaf congress on 3 May Mr Blatter made a gift of $1m to Concacaf to spend as it deems fit," Warner said. "This annoyed [Uefa's] president Michel Platini who was present and he approached Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the finance committee to make this gift to which Jrme [sic] replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter."

The president of a Concacaf federation, in Zurich for a special caucus of the Caribbean, Central and North American confederation, has confirmed that this award had been made. It was in favour of two Goal projects of the confederation's choosing.

Follow all the latest updates on our live blog (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/30/fifa-in-crisis-live-blog)

So far this so-called tsunami causing as much worries and distruction as KJ in ah T&T shirt!!  :devil:

I hope JW could come with something heavier than this when he lauches his next tsunami wave!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: zuluwarrior on May 30, 2011, 08:57:28 PM
Everything happen in its own time without our help , Jack if you escape this you cannot be stoped .
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 30, 2011, 09:01:33 PM
Everything happen in its own time without our help , Jack if you escape this you cannot be stoped .

So what yuh trying to say, that if Jack can escape this one then you & Coop's will become drinking partners?!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2011, 05:07:57 AM
Kamla hangs on to Jack
By: Reshma Ragoonath (Guardian).


Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissessar, in a declaration of support for Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, yesterday vowed to stand by the FIFA vice-president even as the Ethics Committee of the worlds governing body of football issued a provisional suspension of his duties yesterday.

Persad-Bissessar, addressing a media conference last night in Debe, said: I will not prejudge the allegations against Minister Warner, and until there is evidence to the contrary, I stand by him.

Yesterday, Fifas ethics commitee, meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, issued a provisional suspension banning Warner, the Fifa vice-president and CONCACAF president, from conducting any football business, pending the outcome of a full investigation into bribery allegations levelled against him.

Persad-Bissessar said: At this time, there is no reason for me to arrive at any conclusion regarding the allegations made against Mr Warner. While she admitted that, like all citizens, she too was concerned by the allegations, the Prime Minister said Warner assured in an e-mail that he would update her on the matter when he returned to Trinidad tomorrow.

The Prime Minister also denied rumours that the Works Minister had offered to tender his resignation in light of the suspension. Asked by reporters if Warner were to be found guilty by the full FIFA investigations what would be the Governments next move, Persad Bissessar said: It is inappropriate for me to speculate.

The Prime Minister was in high praise of Warner whom she described as a son of our soil who served this nation faithfully at that very football organisation and who was instrumental in leading Trinidad and Tobago to its very first World Cup qualification just a few years ago.

She said he must be allowed every opportunity to present his case against the allegations made about him. The decision by FIFA to initiate a provisional suspension against Warner, pending an investigation, Persad Bissessar said, is not a determination of guilt, but part of a process that we trust will be fair and unprejudiced.

A provisional suspension is not to be equated with a finding of guilt, far less a sentence based on a finding of wrongdoing, she said. Under the Constitution, it was a fundamental tenet, the Prime Minister said, that a man is innocent until proven guilty.

She said: It would be unfortunate if we made premature adverse judgment and pronouncement on a matter that is under investigation. This would be contrary to the spirit and letter of the laws of our land.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2011, 05:32:01 AM
Now, Jack points the finger at football head...
T&T Guardian Reports.


Blatter must go
 
Suspended FIFA vice president Jack Warner told journalists in Zurich that he blames the President of FIFA, the world football governing body, for the allegations made against him: At the end of the day, Blatter has to be stopped.

Warner reiterated that he is about to unleash a tsunami on the football world, telling journalists in Zurich that they had not seen anything yet concerning the revelations that Qatar had bought the 2022 World Cup.

Holding up the e-mail which quoted FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke on the issue of Qatar 2022, Warner said: You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but, Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it.

These arguments may now begin to damage the organisation's commercial interests as, earlier on Monday, two of FIFA's largest sponsors - Coca-Cola and Adidas - expressed concern at the widely publicised in-fighting. "The current allegations being raised are distressing and bad for the sport," a Coca-Cola spokesperson told the BBC. "We have every expectation that FIFA will resolve this situation in an expedient and thorough manner."

An Adidas spokesman said: "The negative tenor of the public debate around FIFA at the moment is neither good for football nor for Fifa and its partners." FIFA executive committee members Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner have been suspended pending a full investigation into allegations that they arranged for US$1 million in bribes to be offered to 25 Caribbean associations at a special meeting in Trinidad earlier this month.

Meanwhile, the Telegraph newspaper reported last night that a football official from a Caricom country had taken a camera-phone photograph of piles of money of four US$10,000 stacks contained in brown envelopes. The photograph was initially taken by the official who called another official to ask him what to do, the Telegraph reported. The other official ordered him to take the picture and return the cash, and then contacted CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer to warn him of the bribery attempt.

In his witness statement, which forms part of the evidence filed to FIFA, the official was one of the first to go up to the room where he was handed a large brown envelope. When he opened it stacks of US $100 notes fell out and on to the table. I was stunned to see this cash, he said in an affidavit. He texted Sealey saying a lot of the boys taking the cash. This is sad given the breaking news on the TV, CNN ... Im truly surprised its happening at this conference [sic].

Meanwhile, Lisle Austin, a 74-year-old Barbadian national, was yesterday elevated as acting President of the  Confederation of North, Central and Caribbean Association of Football (Concacaf), according to a statement sent to local media houses by an employee of suspended Fifa vice president, Jack Warner.

Austins substantive position is vice president, a position he has held since 1992. Austin replaces Concacaf president Jack Warner, who was temporarily suspended by FIFAs Ethics Committee on Sunday after a preliminary enquiry into charges of bribery levelled against him and Fifa executive committee member, Mohammed bin Hammam.

Checks with the Concacaf office in New York revealed that the governing body for football in the Caribbean, Central America and North America had not commented or sent out a release at any time regarding this matter. And the first directive issued by Austin on assuming office on Monday was for Concacaf to cease, immediately, all contractual arrangements with the law firm Collins and Collins.

 Austin has called on Concacaf General Secretary Chuck Blazer to explain within 48 hours, what authority he had to unilaterally hire the firm to investigate allegations of misconduct by Concacaf members.

 Austin made the request via a letter to Blazers hotel in Zurich. Austin also called on Blazer to explain the procedure and rationale behind decisions taken today as it relates to the attendance of tomorrows (todays) Fifa Congress.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 31, 2011, 05:39:44 AM
Now, Jack points the finger at football head...
T&T Guardian Reports.


Blatter must go
 
Suspended FIFA vice president Jack Warner told journalists in Zurich that he blames the President of FIFA, the world football governing body, for the allegations made against him: At the end of the day, Blatter has to be stopped.

Warner reiterated that he is about to unleash a tsunami on the football world, telling journalists in Zurich that they had not seen anything yet concerning the revelations that Qatar had bought the 2022 World Cup.

Holding up the e-mail which quoted FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke on the issue of Qatar 2022, Warner said: You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but, Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it.

These arguments may now begin to damage the organisation's commercial interests as, earlier on Monday, two of FIFA's largest sponsors - Coca-Cola and Adidas - expressed concern at the widely publicised in-fighting. "The current allegations being raised are distressing and bad for the sport," a Coca-Cola spokesperson told the BBC. "We have every expectation that FIFA will resolve this situation in an expedient and thorough manner."

An Adidas spokesman said: "The negative tenor of the public debate around FIFA at the moment is neither good for football nor for Fifa and its partners." FIFA executive committee members Mohamed Bin Hammam and Jack Warner have been suspended pending a full investigation into allegations that they arranged for US$1 million in bribes to be offered to 25 Caribbean associations at a special meeting in Trinidad earlier this month.

Meanwhile, the Telegraph newspaper reported last night that a football official from a Caricom country had taken a camera-phone photograph of piles of money of four US$10,000 stacks contained in brown envelopes. The photograph was initially taken by the official who called another official to ask him what to do, the Telegraph reported. The other official ordered him to take the picture and return the cash, and then contacted CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer to warn him of the bribery attempt.

In his witness statement, which forms part of the evidence filed to FIFA, the official was one of the first to go up to the room where he was handed a large brown envelope. When he opened it stacks of US $100 notes fell out and on to the table. I was stunned to see this cash, he said in an affidavit. He texted Sealey saying a lot of the boys taking the cash. This is sad given the breaking news on the TV, CNN ... Im truly surprised its happening at this conference [sic].

Meanwhile, Lisle Austin, a 74-year-old Barbadian national, was yesterday elevated as acting President of the  Confederation of North, Central and Caribbean Association of Football (Concacaf), according to a statement sent to local media houses by an employee of suspended Fifa vice president, Jack Warner.

Austins substantive position is vice president, a position he has held since 1992. Austin replaces Concacaf president Jack Warner, who was temporarily suspended by FIFAs Ethics Committee on Sunday after a preliminary enquiry into charges of bribery levelled against him and Fifa executive committee member, Mohammed bin Hammam.

Checks with the Concacaf office in New York revealed that the governing body for football in the Caribbean, Central America and North America had not commented or sent out a release at any time regarding this matter. And the first directive issued by Austin on assuming office on Monday was for Concacaf to cease, immediately, all contractual arrangements with the law firm Collins and Collins.

 Austin has called on Concacaf General Secretary Chuck Blazer to explain within 48 hours, what authority he had to unilaterally hire the firm to investigate allegations of misconduct by Concacaf members.

 Austin made the request via a letter to Blazers hotel in Zurich. Austin also called on Blazer to explain the procedure and rationale behind decisions taken today as it relates to the attendance of tomorrows (todays) Fifa Congress.




more bachannal...another one of Jack boys incharge

Title: CONCACAF Gives Blazer 48 Hours To Explain Action
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 31, 2011, 06:18:47 AM
CONCACAF Gives Blazer 48 Hours To Explain Action
Published: Tuesday | May 31, 20110 Comments

Blazer
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad (CMC):

Barbadian Lisle Austin assumed temporary control of CONCACAF yesterday by giving general secretary Chuck Blazer 48 hours to explain his decision to investigate members of the continental governing body for misconduct.

A senior vice-president of CONCACAF, Austin was elevated to the top post following the decision of FIFA's ethics committee to temporarily suspend sitting president Austin 'Jack' Warner pending an investigation into corruption allegations against him.

"Austin has called upon his member of staff, general secretary Chuck Blazer, to provide an explanation within 48 hours on what authority he appeared to unilaterally hire the law firm Collins and Collins to conduct investigations into allegations of misconduct by members ofCONCACAF," a CONCACAF release said yesterday.

As a result, the release said Austin had ordered CONCACAF to "cease all contractual arrangements with the law firm, Collins and Collins with immediate effect".

This follows Sunday's shocking developments that saw Warner and Asian football chief, Mohamed bin Hammam, appear before the ethics committee on bribery charges and subsequently being suspended.

It was announced last Wednesday that Blazer, a FIFA Executive Committee member, had sent a report to FIFA secretary general Jrme Valcke indicating "possible violations of the FIFA Code of Ethics" allegedly committed by Warner and Hammam coming out of a meeting in Trinidad and Tobago.

Austin has written to Blazer to request evidence that a decision to investigate misconduct was taken by CONCACAF's executive committee and also wants an explanation as to "the procedure and rational behind decisions taken today (Monday) as it relates to the attendance of tomorrow's FIFA Congress".
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Red Mango on May 31, 2011, 08:57:56 AM
real kangkalang  ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on May 31, 2011, 12:23:14 PM
Warner's statement in response:  :beermug:

The following is a statement made today by Jack Warner to the media following the news of his suspension by FIFA from all international and national football-related activities.
Re: Today's FIFA decision
 
I attended the FIFA enquiry today at 12 noon pursuant to a request made of me by FIFA to answer allegation made by Chuck Blazer, General Secretary of CONCACAF.
 
I have learned this evening via the media that I have been provisionally suspended by the FIFA Ethics Committee.  This has come both as a shock and surprise to me.  At the conclusion of the enquiry I specifically requested that I be notified of any decision as I had learned via the media before attending the hearing that a decision would be handed down at 5:00PM.  Despite leaving my contact details, up to this point, I still have not received any notification from the FIFA.
 
At the hearing I indicated that I submitted two written statements outlining my position.  I expressed my disappointment with the way in which the enquiry was conducted as I was given less than twenty four hours to submit a statement for consideration by the committee and, moreover, one of the five members of the Committee is from Uruguay and did not have the value of a translated version of my or Mr bin Hammam's submission.  This lack of translation services brings into question the issue of due process.
 
In addition, FIFA did not have the courtesy to provide me with copies of the allegations before the hearing and it was only during the hearing were the allegations read to me.
 
At the hearing, among other things, I was asked about the special meeting with the CFU to hear Mr Bin Hammam and whether such a meeting was normal I indicated that President Blatter earlier this year had held a similar meeting in South Africa with thirty seven countries and no objections had been made of that to date.  In fact this has been the practice of FIFA in holding meetings with member countries before elections.
 
I denied the allegations that I made statements at the CFU meeting about gifts being given by Mr Bin Hammam.  I also indicated that at the Miami CONCACAF Congress on May 3rd Mr. Blatter made a gift of one million USD to CONCACAF to spend as it deems fit. This annoyed President Michel Platini who was present and he approached Secretary General Jerome Valcke complaining that Mr Blatter had no permission from the Finance Committee to make this gift to which Jerome replied that he will find the money for Mr Blatter.
 
I also indicated at the CFU meeting held in Trinidad on May 10 which was requested by Mr. Bin Hammam, FIFA through Mr. Blatter organised gifts of laptops and projectors to all members of the Caribbean and no objections have been made today of this to date.
 
In my statement I attached letters from thirteen Federations whose members attended the CFU Meeting where the allegations of gifts were made.
 
These statements from the 13 members denied the allegations that have been made against me and any participation of these individuals in the act complained of. While with regard to the allegation of payment only one statement was submitted by Collins & Collins.
 
On May 18 when I realised that the political battle between Blatter and Bin Hammam was getting out of hand I wrote Secretary General Valcke telling him, among other things, that the outcome of the elections may cause some fracture in the Arab world  which we can ill afford now and that I will like to ask Bin Hammam to withdraw from the race. To which Jerome replied to me and I quote :
 
"For MBH, I never understood why he was running. If really he thought he had a chance or just being an extreme way to express how much he does not like anymore JSB. Or he thought you can buy FIFA as they bought the WC. I have a bet since day one, he will withdraw but on June 1st after his 10 min speech. By doing so he can say he push Blatter to make new commitments bla bla bla and get out under applause. Before means he is a looser. So...He will get some votes. Less than 60 today after CAF support. It will be the "coup de grace" if you would officially send a message as the CONCACAF President by saying CONCACAF supports unanimously. So I am not giving you an advice but just my feeling about what I think is the situation."
 
Despite the plea from SG Valcke, I refused to give any advice about how CONCACAF will be voting.
 
At no time during this matter was I ever contacted by Mr. Blazer nor did he contact the Executive or the Emergency Committee of the CONCACAF and it is informative for one to look at Mr Blazer's credibility by referring to the report of the NY District Court Judge in the matter between Master Card and Visa in the FIFA matter of 7th December 2006 .
 
(para 213) Mr. Blazer's testimony was generally without credibility based on his attitude and demeanor on his evasive answers on cross-examination.
 
(para 214) Thus, for that reason and based on his evasive answers and his attitude and demeanor, Mr. Blazer's testimony as the March 14, 2006 Marketing & TV AG Board meeting is rejected as fabricated.
  
The complaints  made in this matter are politically motivated against Mr Bin Hammam and me and are designed, among other things, to cause serious prejudice and damage to both Mr Bin Hammam and myself at one of the most critical times for the FIFA.
 
It is also shocking that at the close of an inquiry at around 5:47pm when the decision was already delivered new evidence in the form of a fax from the Puerto Rico FF appears making allegations which were treated as part of the evidence in this matter. This further demonstrates in the way the enquiry was conducted and the prejudice against me.
 
The decision to suspend me is an abuse of the process and achieves no real purpose as stated in the decision and again demonstrates the bias of this enquiry.
 
I intend to say a lot more on this matter shortly.
 
In the meantime, I will vigorously defend my reputation as well as the reputation of the rest of the Caribbean members.
 
Respectfully submitted
 
Sgd Jack Warner




When the fox couldn't get to the grape, he said the grape sour.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on May 31, 2011, 12:27:59 PM
Now, Jack points the finger at football head...
T&T Guardian Reports.


Blatter must go
 
Holding up the e-mail which quoted FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke on the issue of Qatar 2022, Warner said: You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but, Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it.


Hey Jak, the Devil believes in you, he loves you, and I know you eat, drink, and sleep with him, and we all know that you like to lie a lot. Jesus Christ has nothing to do with this, so leave him out your mouth.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2011, 05:50:13 PM
Tipping point for The Fifa
By Lasana Liburd (playthegame).


FIFA President Sepp Blatter stood in front of the worlds media in Zurich, Switzerland on Monday afternoon and, like a former Europe-based monarch, he demanded that the tide stop rising.

Unlike King Canute of Denmark, Blatter seemed genuinely stunned and dismayed that the heavens, earth and seaor at least the journalists presentfailed to do his bidding.

Listen gentlemen, I accepted to have a press conference with you, alone here, said Blatter, I respect you, please respect me and the procedure of the press conference.

Dont intervene, we are not in a bazaar here, and we are in the FIFA House, in front of a very important FIFA Congress.

During Blatters press conference, he refused to countenance that FIFA was an organization in crisis-mode and beset by corruption. He happily conceded that there were devils in football though.

Suspended FIFA Vice-President and CONCACAF President Jack Warner would not be too offended. He has been called much worse.

Pandemonium
In one of Zurichs plush hotel suites, the Trinidad and Tobago MP tried to pass himself off as a reformist. He waved supposedly incriminating documents at media cameras as though he were a modern day Martin Luther with the 95 Theses.

Sepp Blatter must be stopped, he said.

If Warnerwho is suspended on corruption chargesis the solution, one would be forgiven for wondering what the question was in the first place.
As the King Canute and Don Quixote impersonators rail at each other, the world looks on aghast at the state of what both men refer to as The FIFA.

In Blatter and Warners wake is pandemonium.

CONCACAFs newly appointed temporary President Lisle Austins first public utterance was to demand a public explanation from the Confederations General Secretary Chuck Blazer for having the temerity to order an investigation into complaints of corruption against Warner without first requesting Warners permission to do so.

Austin, a Barbados native, gave Blazer 48 hours to declare on what authority he appeared to unilaterally hire the law firm Collins and Collins to conduct investigations into allegations of misconduct by members of CONCACAF.

The allegations swirl
Blazer, who was once described by a New York judge as without credibility, is not without a walk-in closet stuffed with skeletons too. And, Austins claim that the American travelled to Zurich with five non elected members of CONCACAF to represent the Confederation raises doubts as the motives of his move against his old chum, Warner.

FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke tried to explain away an email that suggested Qatar bought the right to host the 2022 World Cup. By bought, Valcke offered, he really meant that they ran an irresistible bid with an expansive budget.

Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam, who is suspended along with Warner and two Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials for allegedly trying to buy votes from 25 Caribbean islands with US$40,000 each, revealed that he will fight his suspension. The evidence against the Qatari includes sworn affidavits, text messages and photographs.

Last week, Bin Hammam reported Blatter to the FIFA Executive Committee for not passing on knowledge of his misdeeds to the Ethics Committee. Blatter said that was because Bin Hammams bribery had not yet occurred. Bin Hammam and Warner retorted that it still hasnt happened.

It is enough to make your head spin.

Platini for President?
The situation has deteriorated to the extent that UEFA President and former France football legend Michel Platini is starting to look more and more like global leadership material merely for not being photographed in a room with brown envelopes flush with cash or handing out US$1 million cheques as though they were lunch vouchers.

Platinis UEFA charged fans between US$290 and $495 for tickets to the Champions League final at Londons Wembley Stadium last Saturday while, last year, the Frenchman was widely assumed to have voted for Qatar and publicly supported the notion of a "Gulf World Cup" and then complained that the conditions there were too oppressively hot for fans. He is considered a shoo-in for the FIFA presidency in four years time and hinted to CNN that he might even accept the post now if it were handed over on a platter.

Platini echoed FIFAs unique stance on loyalty as he insisted that he supports Blatter unreservedly but only if he does not turn out to be corrupt. Platini, it seems, just doesnt know if all that stuff in the press is true, despite being a member of the FIFA Executive Committee for the past nine years.

Crisis, what is a crisis?
In the midst of the chaos, Blatter chided journalists on being so presumptuous as to demand straight answers on The FIFA and insisted on respect.

I am the president, said Blatter, as he glared across the room. I am only here to talk about the president.

He poured scorn over any suggestion that world governments might unseat hima suggestion raised by campaign group ChangeFifa, which is spearheaded by British Conservative MP Damian Collins.

If governments try to intervene in our organisation then something is wrong, said Blatter. I think FIFA is strong enough to deal with the problems inside FIFA.

Embattled Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi might have choked back his emotion were he watching. In fact, there might be much in common with the House of FIFA and the crumbling dictatorships of North Africa and the Middle East.

Like in Egypt, the social media has warmed to the theme. On May 30, the second most popular trend on Twitter was BlatterOut. FIFASpring might be gaining momentum.

Regardless, Blatter intends to be returned to the FIFA throne unopposed on June 1.

"Crisis, what is a crisis? asked Blatter, rhetorically. Football is not in a crisis. We are not in a crisis, only in some difficulties.

By all indications, though, the tide is still rising.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Red Mango on May 31, 2011, 07:41:50 PM
Chuck, you're fired... "dude seriously, you're making this difficult..."

More popcorn!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 01, 2011, 05:06:38 AM
Chuck, you're fired... "dude seriously, you're making this difficult..."

More popcorn!

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 01, 2011, 05:52:13 AM
the way Jack going just now he go tell PP supporters to support PNM.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2011, 07:54:57 AM
the way Jack going just now he go tell PP supporters to support PNM.

Like when Panday did say vote PNM.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2011, 08:55:41 AM
13 CFU nations back Jacks bribery denial
Published: Wed, 2011-06-01
 
Jack Warner  Details continue to emerge about the alleged $1 million in bribes offered to 25 Caribbean associations at a special meeting of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in Trinidad earlier this month. FIFA vice president Jack Warner, who also is T&Ts Works and Transport Minister, along with another executive committee member, Mohamed bin Hammam, have been suspended pending a full investigation into the allegations.  According to latest reports, five regional football associations have told investigators they rejected the offers of individual payments of US$40,000 in $100 bills. However, 13 of the associations have written statements supporting Warners denial any such offers were made. Caribbean football officials have been warned by Chuck Blazer, general secretary of Concacaf (who was fired yesterday) and the man who first revealed the bribery allegations, to pay back any cash they might have been given during the controversial meeting or face investigation. Pictures of some of the cash offered emerged on Monday, confirming the money was arranged in four $10,000 stacks in brown envelopes. The picture was taken by Fred Lunn, the Bahamas FA general secretary, who initially took the money before calling his president, Anton Sealey, to ask what to do. 

Sealey ordered him to take the picture and return the cash and then contacted Blazer to warn him of the bribery attempt. In his witness statement, which forms part of the evidence filed to FIFA, Lunn was one of the first to go up to the room where he was handed a large brown envelope. He said in an affidavit when he opened it stacks of US $100 bills fell out on the table. I was stunned to see this cash. He texted Sealey, saying a lot of the boys taking the cash. This is sad given the breaking news on CNN. Im truly surprised its happening at this conference. In London that day, allegations that Qatars bid team for the 2022 World Cup had paid bribes for votes had been made in Parliament. There also are reports Simpaul Travel arranged travel for 50 delegates to the meeting held in Trinidad, receiving up to $360,000 from bin Hammam. Simpaul was previously at the centre of a World Cup ticket-touting scandal in 2006 that saw Warner reprimanded by FIFA. Witness statements and documents that form the basis of the investigation indicate that Simpaul was involved in arranging flights and hotel rooms for delegates. Delegates were told they had to arrange their travel through the CFU, of which Warner is president, using a form provided with the formal invitation to the meeting.

The invitation stated that if delegates did not book travel through the CFU they could not be guaranteed reimbursement. Simpauls involvement is endorsed by testimony from Sonia Bien-Aime, the secretary general of the Turks and Caicos Islands Football Association, who is a key witness to the enquiry. Ms Bien-Aime stated the airline ticket she received to attend the meeting had been sent by Simpaul Travel in Trinidad, the report says. Although they are not accused of any wrongdoing in this instance, the travel company was previously investigated by FIFA after it was revealed tickets for the 2006 World Cup intended for Trinidad fans were channeled through the company and sold at a profit of around $1 million. Warner owned shares in the company and his son, Daryan, was a director. Warner received only a reprimand for his involvement in the scandal and was required to end family involvement in the company. Meanwhile, Blazer said yesterday he had reported Jack Warner for breaking the rules of his suspension from the world soccer body. Ive sent a communication to FIFA, Blazer said in Zurich. Warner has been suspended from all football-related activity ending an enquiry into bribery allegations but has been reported for breaching the terms of that ban. Blazer said the Concacaf president had still been getting involved in the business of the confederation.  He said Warner had been meeting associations and a statement from acting Concacaf president Lisle Austin had come from Warners aide. Blazer said: We have clear evidence of a violation of his suspension and we have reported that to the FIFA secretary general Jerome Valcke. He has also been meeting with (Concacaf) members, which is against the rules of the suspension.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: fitzinho on June 02, 2011, 07:10:45 AM
WHat is this i hearin about Jack gettin a hero's welcome back home today???
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 02, 2011, 07:24:56 AM
WHat is this i hearin about Jack gettin a hero's welcome back home today???

And Manning get 1 so Jack eh folks 2.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: fitzinho on June 02, 2011, 07:34:50 AM
WHat is this i hearin about Jack gettin a hero's welcome back home today???

And Manning get 1 so Jack eh folks 2.
Hahahahahaha...Well yes!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 02, 2011, 07:41:32 AM
I hear that Jack is going to walk from his constituency in Chaguanas to FIFA offices in Switzerland, stopping off at every CONCACAF nation en route as a protest against these outrageous allegations.  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 02, 2011, 09:18:58 AM
Blazer look like he want to fight he termination but after reading the pertinent articles he assed out lol.  Austin do fuh him.  Whoever helping him from CONCACAF offices will likely end up getting axed too if they don't stop because there is noting in the statutes that say the president doesn't have the power to remove anyone.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 02, 2011, 09:23:54 AM
Blazer look like he want to fight he termination but after reading the pertinent articles he assed out lol.  Austin do fuh him.  Whoever helping him from CONCACAF offices will likely end up getting axed too if they don't stop because there is noting in the statutes that say the president doesn't have the power to remove anyone.

Nothing that I saw that said he can though.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 02, 2011, 09:31:23 AM
Blazer look like he want to fight he termination but after reading the pertinent articles he assed out lol.  Austin do fuh him.  Whoever helping him from CONCACAF offices will likely end up getting axed too if they don't stop because there is noting in the statutes that say the president doesn't have the power to remove anyone.

Nothing that I saw that said he can though.

Indeed but to say he can't would mean you must prove through the statutes that he has erred in believeing he has unilatteral power to remove. The ambiguity of said power doesn't negate it.  The power to appoint clearly lies within the comittee so he definitely can't appoint, but removal unless otherwise expressly stated has to be part of the "powers" of the president.  Austin eh no fool he make sure if nothing else there is no statutory argument that can be made against it.  Blazer will lose this one even if it is prolonged.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 02, 2011, 09:39:24 AM
Indeed but to say he can't would mean you must prove through the statutes that he has erred in believeing he has unilatteral power to remove. The ambiguity of said power doesn't negate it.  The power to appoint clearly lies within the comittee so he definitely can't appoint, but removal unless otherwise expressly stated has to be part of the "powers" of the president.  Austin eh no fool he make sure if nothing else there is no statutory argument that can be made against it.  Blazer will lose this one even if it is prolonged.

Actually, just the opposite.  Implicit in the powers of appointment is that the General Secretary serves at the pleasure of the Executive Committee, therefore wherein lies the power to appoint, also lies powers of removal.  Articles 29 and 30 only speak of the President conferring with the ExCo on matters such as this.  There is nothing that says he unilaterally has the power to remove the General Secretary.  One would think that had the order been legit there would be no need for him to state it twice... locks would'a been changed and security would'a meet Chuck by the door.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 02, 2011, 09:59:17 AM
Indeed but to say he can't would mean you must prove through the statutes that he has erred in believeing he has unilatteral power to remove. The ambiguity of said power doesn't negate it.  The power to appoint clearly lies within the comittee so he definitely can't appoint, but removal unless otherwise expressly stated has to be part of the "powers" of the president.  Austin eh no fool he make sure if nothing else there is no statutory argument that can be made against it.  Blazer will lose this one even if it is prolonged.

Actually, just the opposite.  Implicit in the powers of appointment is that the General Secretary serves at the pleasure of the Executive Committee, therefore wherein lies the power to appoint, also lies powers of removal.  Articles 29 and 30 only speak of the President conferring with the ExCo on matters such as this.  There is nothing that says he unilaterally has the power to remove the General Secretary.  One would think that had the order been legit there would be no need for him to state it twice... locks would'a been changed and security would'a meet Chuck by the door.

Blazer has his supporters within so it's natural they would try and fight it.  I don't think Austin was thinking of the response otherwise the doors probably would have been locked.  I think he expected it to go unchallenged.  He had no choice but to reitterate his position given the press response by CONCACAF in NY so I don't see that as any measure of his uncertainty in his position.  I disagree with that argument that the powers of removal are inplied through the 28th statute though.  If anything 30 will work against Austin as this certainly seems to be a matter that requires "immediate
attention" and committee intervention.  But this line in 29 is trump "The President has the judicial and extrajudicial
representation of CONCACAF."  It will be interesting to observe but in the end I say Blazer gone.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 02, 2011, 10:07:37 AM
Blazer has his supporters within so it's natural they would try and fight it.  I don't think Austin was thinking of the response otherwise the doors probably would have been locked.  I think he expected it to go unchallenged.  He had no choice but to reitterate his position given the press response by CONCACAF in NY so I don't see that as any measure of his uncertainty in his position.  I disagree with that argument that the powers of removal are inplied through the 28th statute though.  If anything 30 will work against Austin as this certainly seems to be a matter that requires "immediate
attention" and committee intervention.  But this line in 29 is trump "The President has the judicial and extrajudicial
representation of CONCACAF."
  It will be interesting to observe but in the end I say Blazer gone.

All that says is that he can represent the Confederation in legal and other official matters... doesn't really address his actual powers.  As for the appointment/removal piece, that's actually a general truism in administrative law.  But who knows, maybe CONCACAF/FIFA have their own way of doing things, it certainly won't be a surprise.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 02, 2011, 10:15:24 AM
All that says is that he can represent the Confederation in legal and other official matters... doesn't really address his actual powers.  As for the appointment/removal piece, that's actually a general truism in administrative law.  But who knows, maybe CONCACAF/FIFA have their own way of doing things, it certainly won't be a surprise.

I get the feeling their interpretation of that line in 29 will mean that Austin have that power he used to effect Blazer's termination.  Afterall is JW pullin de strings and I suspect the whole scenes wid de envelopes was a master plot to weed out all who eh dong wid bobol.  Blatter goin help he padna fuh seeing that he ha no challengers to he seat.
Title: Jacks of all trades
Post by: Tallman on June 03, 2011, 04:06:50 AM
Jacks of all trades
By Kevin Baldeosingh (T&T Express)


SOME persons have expressed surprise that the National Joint Action Committee (NJAC) issued a statement in defence of Austin Jack Warner. But it's perfectly logical: what else would an organisation with that acronym do in relation to bribery allegations against the country's most successful black man, if not to insist that it ent Jack?

What surprised me at first was the part of their press release which read, "NJAC finds it very difficult to accept that a man of such intelligence and experience would allow himself to be compromised, as alleged." Yet this is an organisation whose members have absolutely no difficulty accepting myths about geometry being discovered in Egypt instead of ancient Greece; or the Dogon tribe discovering the Sirius B star before anyone else; or combs being invented by an African. Then I remembered that it's impossible for any African person to do anything wrong; and Africans who cheat, murder, or wear shoes only learned to do so from the white colonialists since Africa was perfect before the Europeans came, saw, and died from yellow fever.

Jack himself has often invoked the racial bogey when accused of wrongdoing. He did so 22 years ago in a television interview when he allegedly oversold tickets to the 1989 T&T-USA World Cup qualifying match; and he did it again in an Anna Ramdass report in the Sunday Express this week, saying, "I am in FIFA for 29 consecutive years. I was the first black man to have ever been in FIFA at this level... I must be the envy of others." So maybe it's not coincidental that the allegations of bribery against Warner started in England, for that country has a lot of anti-Jack poetry, which small children learn by heart. Lord Triesman himself must have grown up hearing that Little Jack Horner sat in a corner eating his Christmas pie, he put in his thumb and pulled out a plum, and said "What a good boy am I."

The great British critic Ford Madox Ford pointed out that this rhyme, seemingly innocuous, addresses fundamental questions of good and evil, including whether pie is proof that God exists, or proof that a baker exists, or proof that God is a baker. "If Jack were a good boy," wrote Ford in his classic work The Symbolism of Buttered Parsnips in 17th century English Poetry, "why was he sitting in a corner?

Moreover, the premise on which the protagonist declares his own moral status is dubious, even admitting that extracting a plum with one's thumb requires no little manual dexterity." And when Triesman came to Trinidad, he may have learned that being a horner meant a lack of fidelity, which would have further deepened the negative connotations, though not to a Trini man.

When one considers the many other canards against Jack, it's a wonder that he was even allowed to become a FIFA vice-president, unless he was really expected to be a vice president. Perhaps he was helped by the perception that Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candlestick. No doubt, when Warner got this post, he thought he'd hit the jackpot if not, he certainly wasted no time in creating one. But, as a former history teacher, how could Warner not know that this rhyme, first published in 1798, referred to a pirate named Black Jack, who was notorious for escaping from the authorities in the late 16th century? Then again, maybe he did. As for the tradition of candle-leaping, this originated from an old game of jumping over fires, where people would compete for the entire day and in the evening feast on roast testicles.

Which brings us to Jack Sprat who could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean, so between them both, you see, they licked the platter clean. This is another rhyme which maligns Jack. Why would peasants in the 17th century, when this rhyme originated, wash their wares with their tongues, especially given the moral strictures of that time? Also, since English surnames were based on a man's job, one has to ask what profession a sprat followed. Whatever it is, it doesn't sound very respectable. So when, last Tuesday, Warner sent out a letter urging Caribbean Football Union representatives to support the unopposed presidential candidate, every man jack who's been brought up on these nursery rhymes must have interpreted this as an attempt to lick the Blatter clean.

All this is not to say that Warner is without fault in this imbroglio, After all, "Jack" isn't even his first name, and he decided to use that name instead of the small British car his parents named him after. He had grown up in a world where blackjack is a game in which the player who overplays his hand gets busted: and, having done so, Warner is now in danger of becoming a Jack in the box.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 03, 2011, 04:52:56 AM
Grenadas Phillip wants Concacaf to come clean.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Carl Phillip, a former executive member of the Grenada Football Association has called upon the current administration to state publicly whether or not it received any of the alleged bribe money during a Caribbean Football Union meeting in Trinidad on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road.

Phillip, who served under the previous GFA administration led by Ashley Ram Folkes, has challenged the GFA hierarchy to give cogent proof that they either did, or did not accept an alleged US $40,000 to influence the outcome of Wednesdays FIFA presidential vote in Zurich, Switzerland.

The incumbent Sepp Blatter was re-elected without opposition as expected candidate Mohamed bin Hammam withdrew from the race after he and Concacaf president Jack Warner were temporarily suspended.

The two were suspended from all connections with the game by the FIFA ethics committee pending an investigation carded for next month after it was stated that both men had a case to answer against bribery allegations brought forward by fired Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer. According to reports, five CFU members rejected the offers of individual payments of US$40,000 in $100 bills.

However 13 of the 25 CFU members have since written statements in support of Warner who denied any such offers were made. Caribbean officials were then warned by Blazer to pay back the cash they might have been given during the controversial specially convened CFU meeting or face investigation.

While it has been reported that Bahamas and Turks and Caicos have provided evidence to support Blazers claims, the other CFU members have not done so. While it has been reported Bahamas, and Turks and Caicos have provided evidence to support the allegations, no other CFU member has done so which has angered Phillip.

GFA president Chenny Joseph, general secretary Victor Daniel, and head of the finance committee Wayne Joseph attended the Trinidad meeting, but they have not returned as yet from Zurich where they attended the FIFA congress that re-elected Sepp Blatter as president for a fourth term. Phillip said, Well, I am just waiting to hear what the GFA has to say. I am waiting as they have been very vocal in the past.

I want them to let the Grenadian people know if they stood up and didnt take the (money), or come clean and apologise and do the correct thing. Give back the money and demit office. Dont wait to be kicked out. Demit office.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Daft Trini on June 03, 2011, 04:54:45 AM
http://www.economist.com/node/18744271

FIFA's presidential election
Beautiful game, ugly politics
Pity the republic of football. It has a government much like many another
May 26th 2011 | from the print edition


IN ZURICH on June 1st a presidential election is due to take place. It is a rare event, the first since 2002, with a mere 208 voters. No incumbent has lost since 1974, and the man in possession is expected to win again. The winner, despite his grand title, will not be a head of state. Yet he will be better known than many who areand his writ, unlike any of theirs, runs the world over. The presidency in question is that of FIFA, the global governing body of association football; the electors are its members, national associations. Sepp Blatter, a Swiss, has had the job for 13 years and thinks he deserves four more.

On May 25th his only challenger, Mohamed Bin Hammam, a Qatari who was once an ally, faced an unexpected obstacle: allegations of bribery involving him and Jack Warner, a Trinidadian who heads a regional confederation with 35 FIFA members. The claims were made by Chuck Blazer, the American general secretary of Mr Warners group, who sits with both men on FIFAs 24-member executive committee (in effect, its cabinet). FIFAs ethics committee is due to examine the claims on May 29th. The accused deny wrongdoing.

To some, FIFAs politics stank even before this. Earlier this month the former chairman of the Football Association, which runs the game in England, told British MPs that four members of the executive committee, which decides where World Cups should be held, had asked for, or hinted at wanting, payment in cash, kind or honour for their votes on the 2018 tournament. (Mr Warner was one of them.) The British press has unearthed other claims regarding votes for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments. Those involved in all this deny doing wrong; and accusations from Britain carried a whiff of bad grace, because Englands bid for 2018 failed miserably. The latest claims, though, come from the heart of FIFAs political structure.


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For good or ill, FIFA has much in common with governments whose territories are marked by customs posts rather than goalposts. Like national governments, sporting bodies provide collective goods for their citizens, notes Stefan Szymanski, an economist at Cass Business School in London. They also raise revenue and redistribute wealth. And they are prone to poor administration and to rent-seekingattempts by interest groups, officials and other well-connected people to use their position to gain influence or wealth.

Start with public goods: in sport, the rules are the most fundamental. Footballs laws are overseen by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), on which FIFA has four votes and the national associations of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales have one each, a legacy of the games British birth. Six votes are needed for a decision. To many coaches and players, as well as commentators and fans, the IFAB has been too slow to allow modern technology, rather than officials eyesight, to decide whether the ball has crossed the goal-line. Many other sports have embraced video and electronic gadgetry at their higher levels.

A sports governors are also supposed to crack down on match-fixing. Football has been dogged by scandals in this area. The latest involved gambling rings in Asia and eastern Europe, and matches ranging from the lower reaches of European leagues to friendly internationals. On May 9th Mr Blatter announced a joint effort with Interpol, the global police agency, to stamp out this blight.

In a clearer example of a public good, footballs masters have helped create a global market in talent and entertainment. This reflects a shift in FIFAs balance of power away from Europe which began in the 1970s, in healthy contrast with Euroheavy bodies like World Bank and the IMF. When Mr Blatters predecessor, Joo Havelange, a Brazilian, ousted Sir Stanley Rous, an Englishman, in 1974 it was partly by promising non-Europeans more places at the World Cup. The 1978 tournament featured only 16 national teams, ten of them from Europe; since 1998 there have been 32 slots, with more for Asia, Africa, and North and Central America or the Caribbean.

This has not stopped European countries winning the past two World Cups. And it has helped Europes clubs and national leagues. Teams such as Barcelona and Manchester United, who meet in the European Champions League final in London on May 28th, have fans all over the world. That means more money from television and merchandise. Globalisation has also deepened the pool of talent on which European clubs can draw.

Yet there are costs for clubs in Europe and elsewhere. They must release their players for World Cup and other international matches, from which the stars may return tired or hurt. They may view this as a tax in kind, even though FIFA paid them $40m in all for the use of players in the 2010 World Cup.

FIFA may not raise true taxes, but it finds revenue easier to come by than many national governments do. It has become increasingly adept at exploiting the power of the World Cup to draw a global audience. France [in 1998] was the last poor World Cup, said Mr Blatter this week. In 2007-10 FIFAs revenue was $4.2 billion, up from $2.6 billion in the four years before that. Most of it came from the 2010 World Cup: television rights yielded $2.4 billion and marketing rights $1.1 billion.

Redistribution in FIFAs fief is called development spending, intended mainly to improve facilities and coaching in poor countries, which amounted to $794m in 2007-10. Some of this went into Goal, a programme set up by Mr Blatter that is now overseen by Mr Bin Hammam. The six regional confederations and the national associations also got an extra handout from the World Cup windfall in the form of extraordinary payments within FIFAs Financial Assistance Programme. Finding a little extra money for voters just before an election is rarely a bad idea.

As for poor government, FIFA has been supplying examples for years. Take, as just one, the ditching in 2006 of MasterCard, FIFAs long-term credit-card partner, for Visaa decision which drew a scathing rebuke from a New York judge. Andrew Jennings, a British journalist who has long been a thorn in FIFAs side, aired further claims of pockets lined and sins covered up in a BBC documentary on May 23rd.

Despite all this, FIFAs electors have not seemed ready for revolution. What effect the allegations against Mr Bin Hammam will have, no one knows. It is also hard to say how much would change should he, despite everything, manage to unseat Mr Blatter. Both men insist that FIFA is not corrupt; Mr Bin Hammam has made much of the need for more transparency. Certainly, the worlds most popular game needs a better government than the one it has.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 03, 2011, 04:58:09 AM
Jack: I did no wrong, Im staying put
By NEWSDAY STAFF Friday, June 3 2011


EMBATTLED Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, returned home last night from FIFA headquarters in Zurich, Switzerland where he spent the last week fighting off bribery allegations in his capacity as FIFA vice-president, to a rousing heros welcome.

Warner was greeted by close to a thousand supporters who cheered him with some ringing bells and others blowing conch shells. Mingling with the common man in support of Warner were several Cabinet colleagues.

Warner returned home on flight BW523 from New York after he spent a week in Zurich, Switzerland where he defended himself against bribery allegations before an ethics committee of the world football governing body.

These allegations, for which Warner was suspended from FIFA activities for a month, came to light mere days before FIFA president Sepp Blatter, who himself had to fend off certain allegations, was returned as president after his only competitor, Asian Football Federation president, Mohamed Bin Hammam, dropped out of the race when he himself faced bribery allegations.

As Warner stepped off the airplane and walked to the VIP lounge, he was given a garland by a supporter. He headed straight into a press conference with reporters. Warner first thanked his supporters including those from his Chaguanas West constituency, Cabinet colleagues, councillors and those from his ministry. He saved his biggest thank-you for Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

I truly am thankful for the support of the Prime Minister. Within 24 hours (of these allegations being levied) I got a letter of support from the Prime Minister indicating her support. I want to formally thanks her, Warner said as he reiterated that he did no wrong in his work as FIFA vice-president.

On the issue of calls for him to step down as a Cabinet member, Warner said he understood his critics call. I understand my critics. I would have preferred that if their criticism was not motivated by blood lust or malice. They are smelling blood and I say I understand this but I do not accept this.

Warner expressed disappointment with Legal Affairs Minister Prakash Ramadhars stance that he should step aside as Minister until the FIFA issue is cleared up. I know there is a COP elections and some may try to profit from this. I am disappointed in Prakash Ramadhar. As a lawyer he should know better. He is in a government and when the Prime Minister speaks and says she is supporting Jack, Prakash should tow the line. This is worrisome. I am totally disappointed in Prakash, but I wish him well, he said.

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/4-3a_jubilant.jpg)
LOVE FOR JACK: Jubilant supporters of Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner at the Piarco International Airport last night where they greeted him on his return from Switzerland.
Author: SUREASH CHOLAI
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 03, 2011, 05:05:04 AM
Embattled Jack Warner return to divided T&T from Zurich
BY PETER RICHARDS (Jamaica Observer).


PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad (CMC) Austin Jack Warner is back in Trinidad and Tobago after a tumultuous week in Zurich, where he was suspended from his high-profile position as vice-president of football's world governing body, FIFA, amid allegations of bribery.

But Warner, 67, who is also the minister of works and transport, has returned to a divided five-member coalition government and indeed, a country.

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has already said she will stand by her embattled senior minister, who is also the chairman of the United National Congress (UNC), the leading member of the People's Partnership coalition.

"I made a statement on Saturday and I have not changed my mind with regards to that statement. I have said I will not prejudge the matter at this time and unless there is evidence to the contrary, we stand with Mr Warner," Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar told reporters.

In her previous statement, the prime minister, an attorney, said that it is a fundamental tenet of the rule of law that a man is innocent until proven guilty.

"...This right is enshrined in the constitution of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago and is an important pillar in our system of justice. And so, the decision by FIFA to initiate a 'provisional suspension' of its vice-president Jack Warner, pending investigation, is not a determination of guilt but part of a process that we trust will be fair and unprejudiced," she said.

FIFA on Sunday temporarily suspended Warner and former presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam and two Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials as it investigates bribery allegations against them.

Warner and Bin Hammam have been accused of offering US$40,000 to national associations of the CFU at a meeting on May 10 and 11 here, in return for their votes in the FIFA presidential election.

Former junior national security minister, Fitzgerald Hinds, has called on both the police and Customs to investigate if the island was used as a venue to commit a crime and whether or not any person declared more than the stipulated amount of foreign currency into the country.

"I am calling on Mr (Dwayne) Gibbs, the commissioner of police, don't leave everything up to any international organisation... since a crime may have been committed in Trinidad and Tobago," Hinds said.

Chairman of the Trinidad and Tobago Transparency Institute (TTTI) Richard Joseph agrees that law enforcement authorities have an obligation to probe the allegation.

"It is alleged that a crime has been committed, or reason to believe that a crime has been committed, and we believe it should be fully investigated," Joseph said, reiterating TTTI's position that Warner should step down pending the outcome of the probe.

Warner has already reacted bitterly to the suspension, describing it "as an abuse of the process and achieves no real purpose as stated in the decision, and again demonstrates the bias of their enquiry".

"I will vigorously defend my reputation as well as the reputation of the rest of the Caribbean members," he added. His attorney, Om Lalla, has said that Warner has already filed an appeal and is now awaiting a date for his hearing.

Warner is, however, facing increased calls for him to step down as a government minister, pending the outcome of the probe.

The Congress of the People (COP) party, a member of the coalition, has publicly called on Warner to step down.

"I like Jack a whole lot, but it's not about personality, it's about the principle," Minister of Legal Affairs Prakash Ramadhar said.

"What we have is a sitting minister, a very senior and beloved sitting minister who accusations have been made against," said Ramadhar, who is contesting the leadership of the COP on July 3.

Another contender, attorney Vernon De Lima, said that while Warner is innocent until proven guilty, "the Westminster system we use demands that when you're charged with anything as a criminal offence, the correct thing to do is step aside until the matter is resolved".

But Sports Minister Anil Roberts, who has also thrown his hat into the COP leadership race, disagrees.

"Government has to wait until the outcome of the FIFA probe on Jack Warner is completed before acting in any way on Warner. Any decision on Warner ahead of that would be premature and immature," said Roberts, whose position was quite different last month when he called on then planning, economic affairs and gender affairs minister Mary King to resign following allegations of corruption.

Roberts, however, defends his position taken on King, who was subsequently fired by the prime minister, saying that "King admitted she didn't disclose her interest was present at the opening of a tenders box and appointed her personal political assistant to an evaluation team.

"In Warner's case, all we have are allegations which Jack says is rubbish. So we can only await the outcome of FIFA's probe," Roberts added.

Labour Minister Errol McLeod, who is heading the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ), another coalition partner, said while it is not "necessary" for the People's Partnership Government to be united on the Warner issue, there were "too many intrigues" within FIFA so as to condemn Warner outright.

The National Joint Action Movement (NJAC), said "mere allegations cannot be compelling reason" for Warner to step down.

"Furthermore the NJAC finds it very difficult to accept that a man of such intelligence and experience would allow himself to be compromised, as alleged," said the group that also forms part of the coalition administration.

The Express newspaper has said the Warner issue has gone beyond a football scandal.

"The country and the People's Partnership Government are accordingly soiled by the whole affair. Above all, the cloud over the head of the works and transport minister has darkened to the extent of questioning his potential effectiveness and credibility in the position, and in consequence, that of the Government. Then there is the issue of the repercussions worldwide for Trinidad and Tobago's reputation," the paper said in an editorial.

It said Warner should himself bite the bullet and, despite the initial political cost, spare the government the prospect of further damage.

"His failing to do so should leave the prime minister with no option but to relieve Mr Warner of his Cabinet portfolio," it added.

Newspaper columnist George Alleyne wrote that "the formal and informal accusations" against Warner "have the potential to do severe damage to the name of Trinidad and Tobago, if only because of Warner's position as a senior Cabinet minister in the Government of this country".

Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, who had made an issue of Warner holding both a ministerial and FIFA position simultaneously, told reporters he had warned against such a situation.

"I am very disappointed at the developments and very concerned," Rowley said.

"As the very first statement I made as Opposition leader I pointed out that there was a potential for Trinidad and Tobago's business and image to be drawn into FIFA's controversy and scandal and it has come to pass.

"I am reluctant but I must say I told you so. I warned against this," Rowley added.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2011, 05:37:24 AM
JACK'S BACK
By SEAN DOUGLAS Saturday, June 4 2011


WORKS and Transport Minister Jack Warner yesterday claimed a firm employing two British nationals formerly hired by the Special Anti-Crime Unit of TT (SAUTT) has been spying on the Government on behalf on interests in the United Kingdom.

He dropped his bombshell in the Lower House debate on the Anti-Terrorism (Amendment) Bill 2011, hours after landing late Thursday at Piarco International Airport from Switzerland where he was suspended as FIFA vice-president for alleged bribery of Caribbean football officials ahead of last Wednesdays FIFA presidential elections.

Brushing off calls for him to step aside as a government minister pending the outcome of the FIFA investigation, Warner took centre stage in the Lower House, saying he wanted to bring some intelligence and sanity after Arouca/Maloney MP Alicia Hospedales clumsily tried, and failed, to introduce the bribery allegations to the debate.

Warner explained the terms state-terrorism, bio-terrorism, cyber-terrorism, eco-terrorism, nuclear terrorism and narco-terrorism, and lamented the violence of the 1990 attempted coup and the 2005 Port-of-Spain bombings.

Urging all to stay vigilant, he said, Mr Speaker, I dont know how you will classify a situation that currently exists in Trinidad today. Mr Speaker, on 9 to 11 Fitt Street, Woodbrook, there is a company called Policing, Defence and Medical Solutions Limited. He said the firm is operated by two Josephs.

Mr Speaker, this company has retained the services of two former British SAUTT officers. I have their names, Mr Speaker, but Ill give you their phone numbers: 354-4443, said Warner.

Mr Speaker, this company and these men have brought surveillance equipment, among other things, and I am advised they are spying on the Government.

MPs mumbled at this claim.

Warner said, I am advised. Im saying again, I am advised. And Im saying to you, Mr Speaker, all Im saying to you, is that this is an area that has to be investigated, because I dont know what kind of terrorism....

At that Diego Martin North East MP Colm Imbert rose to challenge Warners relevance to the debate, under Standing Order 36(1).

Speaker Wade Mark let Warner continue.Warner continued, I was saying, Mr Speaker, that you have terrorism in all forms, and therefore Mr Speaker, we have to always be vigilant and instead of protesting, Id have thought our (Opposition) friends were seeking to dial the number and see of course who is there and who will answer, but of course, thats another story.

Again urging all to be vigilant, he cited two past reports of TT nationals reportedly linked to international incidents. Firstly, he noted allegations in 2002 that one Umar Abdullah of the Islamic Front in Trinidad was waging a war against UK and US interests. The FBI alleged he was smuggling guns and other weapons into Trinidad for his terrorist activities. Abdullah was linked to the Taliban to al-Qaeda and the Islamic Jihad. Warner said little TT is not insulated from the pitfalls of terrorism, and said the Bill is fully relevant.

Just last month, another chapter was closed in the JFK (Airport) bombing plot. Another defendant, Kareem Ibrahim, was convicted of the conspiracy to blow up the fuel tanks at JFK. The plan, again, was linked back to Trinidad.

Saying some TT nationals felt safe in this country through their belief that God is a Trini, Warner said God helps those who help themselves, as he called for vigilance against terrorism.

Saying local and foreign drug lords are connected to each other, he said it is now time to examine narco-terrorism. We must factor into their considerations... Dont close our eyes to these things and say it cant happen here. That is why I made the point that we must put certain teeth and bite into the FIU, as it serves a broad range of purposes, Mr Speaker.

He contrasted the Bill with the actions of the former regime whom he said had used the countrys intelligence network to spy on their political opponents and on innocent citizens.

This Bill is very relevant to what is taking place in the world today. We cant say, not me, you. We cant say, not here, there. We cant say, not Trinidad, Libya, not Trinidad, Iran. This can happen anywhere, anytime, said Warner.

This Bill will strengthen our monitoring so that we can detect early signs of suspicious activity. In the long term, it will help save lives of our citizens, and citizens in neighbouring countries. I want to reiterate my commendation for the Minister of National Security, my commendation for the measures which he brought here today, and it is my sincere hope, Mr Speaker that this Bill, this measure has the collective support of all of us.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2011, 05:41:57 AM
Warners rise to power in FIFA
T&T Guardian Reports.


FIFA vice-president and CONCACAF president Austin Jack Warner has been a member of the FIFA Executive Committee since 1983, and CONCACAF president since 1990.

Estimates suggest that he has amassed a fortune of almost US$50 million. When Warner became the general secretary of the Trinidad Football Association in 1973, he immediately entrenched his power by setting up numerous organisations filled with his people, who could exercise voting rights should he come under threat from a competitor.

He rapidly spotted a chance for further promotion when he ran for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union, which came with the added prize of a seat on the FIFA Executive Committee.

Warner helped formed the Trinidad and Tobago's Professional Football League (PFL) in 1999, then the first professional football league in the Caribbean, which has since been superseded by the T&T Pro League. Warner purchased the Scarlet Ibis Hotel in St Augustine for TT$6 million in 1998, which he renovated and renamed the Emerald Apartments and Plaza.

Run by his son Daryl, that entity sponsored local football competitions, including the 2010 Eastern Football Association Emerald Apartments and Plaza Cup. Warner also owns Kantac Plaza in Arouca, which was used as the base for T&Ts successful 2006 World Cup qualifying campaign.

He has other real estate holdings, including the offices used by Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) and CONCACAF. CONCACAF pays Warner nearly a third of a million dollars a year rent. Warner also claims business interests in Costa Rica and the United States. Warner states that his investments were funded from the salary and allowances I received from FIFA.

He was re-elected for a new term as FIFA vice-president in 2011. During his tenure, Warner has been implicated in numerous corruption allegations that reach back as far as the 1980s. On May 10, 2011, corruption allegations were levelled against Warner by former English Football Association chairman, Lord David Triesman.

Triesman alleged that Warner was one of four FIFA executive committee members who asked for money in return for his vote supporting Englands 2018 World Cup bid. FIFA senior executives Mohamed bin Hammam and Warner have been suspended pending a full investigation into bribery allegations that they offered US$1 million in bribes to delegates at a Caribbean soccer association meeting on May 10-11 in Trinidad.

The payments were allegedly made to secure votes for bin Hammam, in his campaign to unseat Blatter. The evidence was compiled by US executive committee member Chuck Blazer. Following is the time line chronologising Warners ascendancy in FIFA and the controversies that have dogged him:

1963: General Secretary of the Central Football Association.
197173:  General Secretary of the Central St George Football Association.
1973: Secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).
1983: CONCACAF vice-president and also joined the FIFA Executive Committee.
1990: Elected president of the Caribbean Football Union, resigning his post in the same year at TTFF, but was immediately appointed a special adviser, a position that he still holds. He was also elected CONCACAF president.
1996: launched of Joe Public Football Club.
1997: Appointed FIFA vice-president.
2010: Stated his intention to stand for re-election as FIFA vice-president in 2011.
2011: Re-elected for a new term as FIFA vice-president.

CONTROVERSIES

1989: During T&Ts ill-fated World Cup 1990 qualifying encounter with the US at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, Warner announced that extra tickets would be printed for the game and alcohol restrictions within the ground would be lifted. The stadiums 28,500 capacity seating was oversold and 45,000 tickets were printed.
1996:  Warner was involved in substituting Vincy Jalal, the girlfriend of the head of the Jamaican Football Federation (JFF), Horace Burrell into the place of the absent Haitian delegate, Dr Jean-Marie Kyss, in the 1996 FIFA Congress.
1998: Haitis vote was also replaced at the 1998 FIFA Congress, this time by Trinidadian Neville Ferguson.
2001: The Under-17 World Cup was awarded to T&T.  Contracts to build five new stadiums went to companies linked to associates of Warner. When technical staff from the broadcasting companies visited the new venues, they discovered that roof beams and cables would obstruct the cameras angles of the pitch. When they tried to question Warner and FIFA over this, they were sidelined.

All the food and beverage contracts for the new stadiums were awarded to a local restaurant business, owned by Warners son, Daryan.
The flights and accommodation arrangement for the 15 teams participating in the tournament were done through Simpauls Travel service, owned by the Warner family.
FIFA was experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The US$2 million contract was awarded to a company called Semtor, whose project manager turned out to be Daryan Warner, who picked up a cheque for US$60,000 as management liaison between all Web initiative consultants.

2002:  Various global media publications alleged that Warner had made a profit of $350,000 selling 2002 FIFA World Cup tickets.
2004: When meeting the Queen at Buckingham Palace, he complained to her that British companies were failing to spend their sponsorship money on football in T&T. (Jennings,
p.320)
2005: T&T qualified for the World Cup for the first time after Dennis Lawrences header knocked out Bahrain to send T&T to Germany. The only way that Trinidadians could get tickets for the teams first-round matches was through Simpaul Travel Services, the company owned by Warner. Tickets for the three group stage games and shared accommodation would cost fans 2,730.53. Simpaul Travel was making a profit of over 1,700 on each package sold. The Independent newspaper in England suggested that Warner made a profit of over 10 million on T&Ts ticket allocation. A privately appointed committee was responsible for handling the sponsorship and merchandising for the team.

After a request from a London-based business, they requested a fee of US$80,000, plus five per cent of gross sales of the proposed merchandise. The representative of the private committee turned out to be Daryl Warner, one of Warners sons.

FIFA regulations stated that packaging tickets with other services was not permitted, but Warners own company was flouting FIFAs own rules, while he was accused of selling FIFA tickets for his own personal profit. In consequence of being found guilty of breaking FIFAs Article 5, minutes of FIFAs executive committee indicate that a fine of almost US$1 million, equal to the expected profiteering, was imposed on the family. Warner also agreed to severe all family links with Simpaul immediately.

However, Warner's son Daryan remained a director of Simpaul throughout World Cup 2006, while his personal assistant remained the company secretary of Simpaul. Despite numerous reminders from FIFA, only $250,000 has been paid.

The British newspaper The London Daily Mail reported that Warners son, Daryan was fined US$1 million in 2007, after investigative journalist Andrew Jennings, the presenter of FIFAs Dirty Secrets revealed the Ernst & Young report which exposed that Warner had sold tickets through the travel agent Simpaul.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: truetrini on June 04, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
add the FACT that Jack and his cronies did not even protest our tief loss to Haiti, Mexico did...and did so late dat we did not go to the 74 world cup...I feel he got bribe by Bay Doc...as did the ref and one linesman
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 04, 2011, 10:30:31 AM

FIFA was experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The US$2 million contract was awarded to a company called Semtor, whose project manager turned out to be Daryan Warner, who picked up a cheque for US$60,000 as management liaison between all Web initiative consultants.


Here's is Semtor's press release from 2001. (http://ttfootballhistory.com/node/3972)
You can see their old site on archive.org look up semtor.com
(http://ttfootballhistory.com/files/images/20011129-semtor.preview.jpg)
funny thing they had taglines like
"It pays to be self-serving (http://web.archive.org/web/20020401214613/http://semtor.com/Static/Clients.asp)"
"go ahead, help yourself"

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2011, 10:35:47 AM
Nice find E nice find.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 04, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
JACK'S BACK
By SEAN DOUGLAS Saturday, June 4 2011


Warner said, I am advised. Im saying again, I am advised. And Im saying to you, Mr Speaker, all Im saying to you, is that this is an area that has to be investigated, because I dont know what kind of terrorism....

f**king smoke screen... if that is the case then wtf is Sandy there for?  Shouldn't you be raising this in private with your Minister of National Security... instead of politicizing it in Parliament??

f**king jokers.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: truetrini on June 04, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
Bakes yuh getting tired..it was cold and windy in Zurich and all Jack did was borrow Chuck Blazer to keep ah little warm
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on June 04, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
http://www.streamhub.tv/ch/V4.php (http://www.streamhub.tv/ch/V4.php)

Sunil Gulati interview on right now.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 04, 2011, 06:48:51 PM
add the FACT that Jack and his cronies did not even protest our tief loss to Haiti, Mexico did...and did so late dat we did not go to the 74 world cup...I feel he got bribe by Bay Doc...as did the ref and one linesman
:beermug:
Spot on!
It is because of JW's greed that we did not see our 1st World Cup way back in 1974 which we deserved to have qualified for! JW is more to blame than Bay Doc because one can only bribe someone who is willing to entertain the bribe!!

Also add to this JW's overselling of tickets in 1989 for the the final T&T vs USA game and the arranging of the team to go on a pre-mature victory tour around the country before the game on match day leading to stressed and tired players and the additional amount of stress our Strike Squad players had to go thru just to enter the stadium to get thru the irated crowds on the outside who had bought tickets but couldn't get in to see the game and its no wonder our team gave a sub-par performance and lost the game 0-1 to the USA.
So in truth JW's greed is also to blame for us not qualifying for Italy 1990 as well in my book.

Finally we qualify for the 2006 World Cup by the skin of our teeth despite the hindrance of JW and he does his best to destroy our team right after the World Cup with a blacklist because they demanded what he had promised to them in bonus money from the profits! See the pattern here? JW's greed once again!!

Looking at all the evidence, no one in their right mind (including Coop's) can argue to me that JW is good for T&T football! In fact he is exactly the opposite!!  When he leaves T&T football I will personally throw a BIG celebration event in London or wherever else I happen to be and I am seriously not joking!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 04, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
 :thumbsup: :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 04, 2011, 08:30:17 PM
Warners rise to power in FIFA
T&T Guardian Reports.


FIFA vice-president and CONCACAF president Austin Jack Warner has been a member of the FIFA Executive Committee since 1983, and CONCACAF president since 1990.

Estimates suggest that he has amassed a fortune of almost US$50 million. When Warner became the general secretary of the Trinidad Football Association in 1973, he immediately entrenched his power by setting up numerous organisations filled with his people, who could exercise voting rights should he come under threat from a competitor.

He rapidly spotted a chance for further promotion when he ran for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union, which came with the added prize of a seat on the FIFA Executive Committee.

Warner helped formed the Trinidad and Tobago's Professional Football League (PFL) in 1999, then the first professional football league in the Caribbean, which has since been superseded by the T&T Pro League. Warner purchased the Scarlet Ibis Hotel in St Augustine for TT$6 million in 1998, which he renovated and renamed the Emerald Apartments and Plaza.

Run by his son Daryl, that entity sponsored local football competitions, including the 2010 Eastern Football Association Emerald Apartments and Plaza Cup. Warner also owns Kantac Plaza in Arouca, which was used as the base for T&Ts successful 2006 World Cup qualifying campaign.

He has other real estate holdings, including the offices used by Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) and CONCACAF. CONCACAF pays Warner nearly a third of a million dollars a year rent. Warner also claims business interests in Costa Rica and the United States. Warner states that his investments were funded from the salary and allowances I received from FIFA.

He was re-elected for a new term as FIFA vice-president in 2011. During his tenure, Warner has been implicated in numerous corruption allegations that reach back as far as the 1980s. On May 10, 2011, corruption allegations were levelled against Warner by former English Football Association chairman, Lord David Triesman.

Triesman alleged that Warner was one of four FIFA executive committee members who asked for money in return for his vote supporting Englands 2018 World Cup bid. FIFA senior executives Mohamed bin Hammam and Warner have been suspended pending a full investigation into bribery allegations that they offered US$1 million in bribes to delegates at a Caribbean soccer association meeting on May 10-11 in Trinidad.

The payments were allegedly made to secure votes for bin Hammam, in his campaign to unseat Blatter. The evidence was compiled by US executive committee member Chuck Blazer. Following is the time line chronologising Warners ascendancy in FIFA and the controversies that have dogged him:

1963: General Secretary of the Central Football Association.
197173:  General Secretary of the Central St George Football Association.
1973: Secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).
1983: CONCACAF vice-president and also joined the FIFA Executive Committee.
1990: Elected president of the Caribbean Football Union, resigning his post in the same year at TTFF, but was immediately appointed a special adviser, a position that he still holds. He was also elected CONCACAF president.
1996: launched of Joe Public Football Club.
1997: Appointed FIFA vice-president.
2010: Stated his intention to stand for re-election as FIFA vice-president in 2011.
2011: Re-elected for a new term as FIFA vice-president.

CONTROVERSIES

1989: During T&Ts ill-fated World Cup 1990 qualifying encounter with the US at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, Warner announced that extra tickets would be printed for the game and alcohol restrictions within the ground would be lifted. The stadiums 28,500 capacity seating was oversold and 45,000 tickets were printed.
1996:  Warner was involved in substituting Vincy Jalal, the girlfriend of the head of the Jamaican Football Federation (JFF), Horace Burrell into the place of the absent Haitian delegate, Dr Jean-Marie Kyss, in the 1996 FIFA Congress.
1998: Haitis vote was also replaced at the 1998 FIFA Congress, this time by Trinidadian Neville Ferguson.
2001: The Under-17 World Cup was awarded to T&T.  Contracts to build five new stadiums went to companies linked to associates of Warner. When technical staff from the broadcasting companies visited the new venues, they discovered that roof beams and cables would obstruct the cameras angles of the pitch. When they tried to question Warner and FIFA over this, they were sidelined.

All the food and beverage contracts for the new stadiums were awarded to a local restaurant business, owned by Warners son, Daryan.
The flights and accommodation arrangement for the 15 teams participating in the tournament were done through Simpauls Travel service, owned by the Warner family.
FIFA was experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The US$2 million contract was awarded to a company called Semtor, whose project manager turned out to be Daryan Warner, who picked up a cheque for US$60,000 as management liaison between all Web initiative consultants.

2002:  Various global media publications alleged that Warner had made a profit of $350,000 selling 2002 FIFA World Cup tickets.
2004: When meeting the Queen at Buckingham Palace, he complained to her that British companies were failing to spend their sponsorship money on football in T&T. (Jennings,
p.320)
2005: T&T qualified for the World Cup for the first time after Dennis Lawrences header knocked out Bahrain to send T&T to Germany. The only way that Trinidadians could get tickets for the teams first-round matches was through Simpaul Travel Services, the company owned by Warner. Tickets for the three group stage games and shared accommodation would cost fans 2,730.53. Simpaul Travel was making a profit of over 1,700 on each package sold. The Independent newspaper in England suggested that Warner made a profit of over 10 million on T&Ts ticket allocation. A privately appointed committee was responsible for handling the sponsorship and merchandising for the team.

After a request from a London-based business, they requested a fee of US$80,000, plus five per cent of gross sales of the proposed merchandise. The representative of the private committee turned out to be Daryl Warner, one of Warners sons.

FIFA regulations stated that packaging tickets with other services was not permitted, but Warners own company was flouting FIFAs own rules, while he was accused of selling FIFA tickets for his own personal profit. In consequence of being found guilty of breaking FIFAs Article 5, minutes of FIFAs executive committee indicate that a fine of almost US$1 million, equal to the expected profiteering, was imposed on the family. Warner also agreed to severe all family links with Simpaul immediately.

However, Warner's son Daryan remained a director of Simpaul throughout World Cup 2006, while his personal assistant remained the company secretary of Simpaul. Despite numerous reminders from FIFA, only $250,000 has been paid.

The British newspaper The London Daily Mail reported that Warners son, Daryan was fined US$1 million in 2007, after investigative journalist Andrew Jennings, the presenter of FIFAs Dirty Secrets revealed the Ernst & Young report which exposed that Warner had sold tickets through the travel agent Simpaul.


Dis report ain't name all de controvencies,what about the reason behind playing our home game against USA in the US for the WC 86 qualifiers? what about the over selling of tickets for the Guatemala home game in '90 WC qualifiers?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2011, 07:58:44 AM
Jack to drop Blatter bombshell today.
By: Shastri Boodan (Guardian).


Bombshell e-mails involving re-elected Federation International Football Association (FIFA) president Sepp Blatter is expected to send shock waves through the football fraternity today as the Associations suspended vice president, Jack Warner speaks out.

Vowing that he will be exonerated from the football scandal following the revelation of a series of e-mails, the Chaguanas West MP has promised that it will send shockwaves throughout the world. Viewers are expected to be glued to their seats from 1 pm today as they listen to live radio broadcasts of Warners rally on six radio stations locally.

Television stations are also expected to carry the rally where Warner defends himself in the raging controversy. He has chosen his constituency, among his supportersat Jubilee Recreation Ground at Cacandee Road, Felicityto speak out. He is expected to spend the day in his constituency where he will take part in a motorcade in celebration of Indian Arrival Day.

He will then address supporters on Indian Arrival Day and on his suspension from FIFA. In a shocking move last Sunday, the worlds football governing body suspended Warner and Qatars Mohammed Bin Hammam amidst bribery allegations.

Warner has since deemed the suspensions as illegal and unjust, promising to clear his name. The Works and Transport Minister was at his constituency office yesterday where he listened to the cries of more than 300 people seeking assistance on various matters yesterday.

Speaking to the Sunday Guardian, Warner admitted he was moved by the throngs of people at the Piarco International Airport on Thursday on his return from Zurich. Warner said he was committed to serving the people of T&T. I remain eternally grateful to my supporters.

It is good to have friends not only when you are up but also when you are down. The Minister however, maintained that calls by the Peoples National Movement and the Congress of The People (COP) candidate for him to step aside until being cleared of the allegations are unfounded.

Warner said: Ramadhar wants him to go, while Ramadhars Prime Minister supports the Chaguanas West MP. He said Ramadhar used the opportunity to gain political mileage in the upcoming COP internal elections that may end up working against him in the long run.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2011, 08:01:35 AM
WARNER'S STILL A SIMPAUL DIRECTOR
By Andre Bagoo Sunday, June 5 2011


FORMER FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, in defence of proceedings brought against him by FIFAs Ethics Committee last Sunday, said he transferred $2.3 million to the Jack Warner-led Caribbean Football Union (CFU) to cover the travelling and accommodation expenses of delegates and the overall costs of a two-day CFU meeting held at the four-star Hyatt Regency hotel in Port-of-Spain last month.

The travelling expenses and bookings for the meeting were done via Simpaul Travel Services Limited, a company which, to date, still lists Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner as a director.

Companies Registry documents obtained yesterday by Sunday Newsday revealed that while Warner is no longer a shareholder in the travel agency he set up with his wife, Maureen, in 1997, he is still listed as a director of the firm. An annual return filed on January 14, listed Warner, whose first name is Austin, as a director alongside his wife and sons Darryl and Daryan, of 69 Cynthia Drive, Howell Settlement, Five Rivers, Arouca. The current shareholders of the firm are listed as Princess Rose Campbell and housewife Margaret Fletcher, both of 177 Kitchener Avenue, Barataria. Both are former directors of Simpaul Travel. Their shares were transferred to them from Jack and Maureen Warner in March 2006.

Warner and his family had stepped down as directors in March 2006, the year of the World Cup in Germany. By August 2009, however, Warner and his family returned as directors.

Simpaul Travel was previously investigated by FIFA after it was revealed that tickets for the 2006 World Cup were channelled through the company. Warner, however, was subsequently cleared by the Ethics Committee.

Warner was last year allowed to maintain his ministerial portfolio simultaneously with his FIFA vice-presidency amidst great controversy, given the fact that ministers are by convention made to give up private business when entering Cabinet office.

It was not known then that Warner also, to date, maintains a post as a director at Simpaul, as indicated by the public registry documents. Contacted yesterday, an aide who answered Warners mobile phone said he was unavailable as he was in a constituency meeting.

In a four-page statement of defence, submitted to the Petrus Damaseb-chaired committee at Zurich, Switzerland, last Sunday, bin Hammam said he, found it correct and insisted to pay the money because the meeting, held from May 10-11, was an extraordinary one.

Since this was an extraordinary meeting of the CFU, Mr bin Hammam found it correct and insisted to pay the travelling and accommodation expenses of the delegates, as well as the overall costs of the conference, the statement, prepared by an attorney representing bin Hammam, read.

For this purpose, Mr bin Hammam transferred the estimated costs of USD$360,000 (TT$2.3 million) to the CFU prior to the meeting in Trinidad.

At the time, bin Hammam was a candidate in the FIFA election and was seeking the support of the CFU delegates in the race against incumbent Sepp Blatter.

Bin Hammam said the meeting came about due to a choice he made not to attend a CONCACAF meeting from May 1-3 in Miami.

Mr bin Hammam initially intended to attend the CONCACAF-Congress which was held on 1 to 3 May 2011 in Miami, USA, the statement said.

That is why he applied for a visa at the beginning of April 2011. On 30 April and 1 May 2011, Mr bin Hammam attended the CONMEBOL Congress in Asuncion, Paraguay. At this time, the visa for entering the USA had still not arrived. (It was) only on 1 May 2011 in the afternoon, he received a phone call from the US embassy in Paraguay offering help in the visa matter. However, at that time, Mr bin Hammam had already changed his plans and decided not to change them again but to see the delegates of the CFU at an extraordinary meeting. No inferences which are disadvantageous for Mr Bin Hammam may be drawn from this choice.

It was previously reported that bin Hammam could not attend the CONCACAF meeting due to an administrate error with his visa. Bin Hammam left Trinidad on May 10 while the two-day meeting was still taking place. He denied any knowledge that cash bribes were offered while he was there or after.

Warner is the president of the CFU, the organisation which hosted the Hyatt meeting.

Warner, who was issued a suspension this week by FIFA after its ethics committee found a case of bribery to answer against him, is also the CONCACAF president. The CFU offices are located at the CONCACAF building at Edward Street, Port-of-Spain. Simpaul Travel, the company that did the travel bookings for the meeting, also has a branch in the same building as CONCACAF and CFU. A separate affidavit sent to FIFAs ethics committee reportedly said the travel and hotel accommodation was arranged through Simpaul Travel.

In a television interview last week, Warner reportedly indicated that the amount transferred was $100,000 less than that stated by bin Hammam and that it was wired.

Mr bin Hammam never gave any money to the countries of the Caribbean. bin Hammam wired $260,000 to pay for accommodation and airfares. This is the norm, Warner was quoted as saying in an internet report.

Warner has been alleged to have offered CFU officials bribes of $252,000 (US$40,000) at the Hyatt meeting. However, to date, the full facts on which the allegations are based, which have been strongly denied by Warner, remain unclear.

The allegations have been made by Chuck Blazer, the CONCACAF general secretary and one- time Warner ally whose credibility has been questioned by both bin Hammam and Warner.

In his defence, bin Hammam gave a glimpse of Blazers allegations against Warner. Referring to a statement by Blazer, bin Hammam said Blazer claimed that Warner had said that Warner had informed FIFA and Blatter, the FIFA president, of cash payments to the CFU delegates.

In Mr Blazers submissionMr Blazer refers to statements of Mr Jack Warner according to which the alleged cash payments were notified to the FIFA and Mr Blatter in particular and that they had no issue with it, bin Hammam said.

It is unclear why, if any payments offered at the May meetings were bribes for supporting bin Hammam, Warner would inform bin Hammams competitor in the election, Blatter, of this.

Warner, bin Hammam and Blatter were all last Sunday referred to the FIFA Ethics Committee on the eve of last weeks FIFA presidential elections.

The committee, chaired by Namibian judge Damaseb, made a controversial ruling which cleared Blatter, but not the others, paving the way for Blatter to go up for a fourth term uncontested last week (bin Hammam withdrew hours before the ethics committee hearing last Sunday).

In relation to the allegation against Blatter, Damaseb noted the FIFA president was accused of failing to report the alleged intention to make unsanctioned payments to Caribbean associations. Warner has claimed Blatter was aware of the facts in question and has promised to read from an email he sent to Blatter after the May event. Blatter has claimed Warner told him about an intention to make certain payments at a future date.

Warner has denied all allegations. Last week, he declined requests from this newspaper to disclose statements submitted in his defence to the Ethics Committee.

Warner was last week cleared of a separate set of bribery allegations made by Lord Triesman, who has accused him of seeking to benefit financially in return for supporting Englands World Cup bid. Warner also last week declined to disclose a report that cleared him in that instance.

This weeks events, which came mere days after the PP Government celebrated its first anniversary, have shaken local politics. Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has said she will stand by Warner pending a full FIFA report and under the principle that an accused person is innocent until proven guilty. COP deputy political leader Prakash Ramadhar, however, has called for Warner to step aside temporarily.

CONCACAF has also been sent into a crisis with Warners suspension. This week, the acting president, Lisle Austin, attempted to fire Blazer, who has reported Warner as violating his suspension. Austin was himself this week subject to a ban from CONCACAF by a majority of the CONCACAF executive committee. Up to yesterday, CONCACAF lawyers were still wrangling over this issue.
Title: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: tempo on June 05, 2011, 12:24:18 PM
http://guardian.co.tt/news/2011/06/05/jack-drop-blatter-bombshell-today
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Savannah boy on June 05, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
Is a shell so far, we waiting on de bomb.
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: palos on June 05, 2011, 12:59:41 PM

JACK ON LIVE NOW (http://www.shivanjaikaran.com/streams/1027_radio_jaagriti.php)
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: palos on June 05, 2011, 01:08:54 PM
Jack is T&T very own King George VI yes. 

De improvement in his diction is remarkable.  Ah wonder who was Geoffrey Rush

But he backin out now about releasin any 'bombshell" sayin dat lawyers advise him not to say anyting

Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 05, 2011, 03:09:49 PM
jack just huffing and puffing ....
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: soccerrama on June 05, 2011, 03:22:19 PM


But he backin out now about releasin any 'bombshell" sayin dat lawyers advise him not to say anyting



Why am I not surprised, had a feeling he would have used that excuse. Now how can an email Jack send to Blatter about what transpired at the meeting ever be a bombshell, all he would have in that email is what he wanted Blatter to know & not necessarily all that transpired.

Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2011, 05:02:06 PM
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Controversial on June 05, 2011, 05:05:44 PM
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....
:D
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2011, 05:18:35 PM
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....
:rotfl:

Jack just cyah face the reality that his card get hang good & proper!!
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 05, 2011, 07:01:12 PM
So wah allyuh trying to say he is now ah cling-on , cling jack , hang jack
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: dreamer on June 05, 2011, 08:42:08 PM
De fellah gorn tru people. It's over. Iz only a setta dotish robbertalk that's making him look like an impotent paper tooth tiger. It's sad to watch a man with such delusions of grandeur reduced from perceived hero back to sub zero.  :'(
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 05, 2011, 09:41:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5TY2matx8A   :'(

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2011, 09:56:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5TY2matx8A   :'(

http://www.youtube.com/v/s5TY2matx8A

I wonder if Coop's get thrown a few crumbs?!  :devil:
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Football supporter on June 05, 2011, 10:38:46 PM
And the books are due in court in 10 days from now! Real pressure!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2011, 04:18:37 AM
Warner withholds Blatter bombshell
By: Radhica Sookraj (Guardian).


Suspended FIFA vice-president Jack Warner yesterday failed to deliver on his promise of Blatter bombshellsthe e-mail exchange between himself and FIFA president Sepp Blatterwhich he said would clear him of the allegations of facilitating a cash-for-votes bribery scandal.

Warner said his local and international attorneys had advised him not to publicise the e-mails. On Friday, Warner promised to reveal a series of e-mails between himself and Blatter before hundreds of supporters at an Indian Arrival Day celebration at Jubilee Ground, Felicity, Chaguanas, yesterday.

The e-mails, Warner said, would have definitely cleared him of allegations of wrong-doing, levelled against him in the latest FIFA scandal. But in a last minute twist yesterday, Warner declared that his attorneys, both local and abroad, had advised him not to speak, saying that it would not be in his best interest to reveal the e-mails.

He assured supporters, however, that if it came to a choice between FIFA and the country, FIFA would lose. People are concerned about what is going on in FIFA, but let me remind you that I have been vindicated by FIFA over the allegations made against me, Warner said.

In fact, it was the English government in an independent study who cleared all of it. When all the evidence is examined by FIFA, I am confident that I will also be cleared and vindicated in the current matter. It is just a matter of time and patience to let the process work.

I had planned to speak to you today about this matter but the best legal advice that I received, both at home and abroad, suggested that I do not do so at this point in time, and that advice I am going to respect. He said, however, that his lawyers never told him that he could not give a little history and background of the allegation.

Let me tell you that it is so foolish that it is not funny, Warner said. Nobody has accused me or can accuse me of taking any money. I eh thief nothing! I eh give nobody nothing! And therefore in the first place, I eh see what all the hullabaloo is about.

My friend came here to talk to some people, he spoke with them and then he left. The rest is now history. Let the facts and the story come out. I am not prepared to go into any discussion with anyone, at this point in time, based on the advice I got. You rest assured that your MP will be cleared."

He said the PNM wanted his head because he was a committed member of the UNC. Warner said: The PNM want my head. They hate my guts. You know why they hate me so much? Because I love you so much. If I was not in UNC, I never would face this.

My biggest sin in the PNM is that I am member of UNC. I told you today and the PNM that I, Jack Warner, shall be with you always, until the end of my time. There is no cause to worry, rant or rave. I going nowhere. The MP added: Yesterday, I saw 265.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2011, 04:52:11 AM
Interim CONCACAF boss Austin suspended.
jamaicaobserver.com.


NEW YORK, United States (CMC) Interim CONCACAF president Lisle Austin has been provisionally suspended, in the latest twist in the ongoing power struggle within the organisation.

A formal release from the US-based body said yesterday that the majority of CONCACAF Executive Committee members had taken the decision for what was described as "apparent infringement of the CONCACAF Statutes".

The suspension was supposed to have taken effect on Thursday.

"Lisle Austin has been provisionally banned from all football activities within CONCACAF and at the national level by a majority of the CONCACAF Executive Committee members for apparent infringement of the CONCACAF Statutes," the CONCACAF statement read.

"Notice of this suspension is being sent to FIFA to be extended worldwide."

Austin has been embroiled in a confrontation with general secretary Chuck Blazer ever since he replaced Jack Warner as president last Monday, and claimed to have axed the American earlier this week.

A CONCACAF statement out of the New York-based office rejected Austin's assertion that Blazer had been fired, only for Austin to issue a counter-claim from Trinidad and Tobago.

The frequent exchanges have exposed the deep divisions in the continental governing body for football in North, Central America and the Caribbean ever since Warner's removal, pending an investigation into corruption allegations.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on June 06, 2011, 05:35:51 AM
look at dis cute guy nah lol...but in all seriousness he lookin like one of those evil demented tribal leader villains..

(http://media.trinidadexpress.com/images/1307328318266ex15.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 06, 2011, 06:06:39 AM
He said the PNM wanted his head because he was a committed member of the UNC. Warner said: The PNM want my head. They hate my guts. You know why they hate me so much? Because I love you so much. If I was not in UNC, I never would face this.

My biggest sin in the PNM is that I am member of UNC. I told you today and the PNM that I, Jack Warner, shall be with you always, until the end of my time. There is no cause to worry, rant or rave. I going nowhere. The MP added: Yesterday, I saw 265.



Crap!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 06, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
He said the PNM wanted his head because he was a committed member of the UNC. Warner said: The PNM want my head. They hate my guts. You know why they hate me so much? Because I love you so much. If I was not in UNC, I never would face this.

My biggest sin in the PNM is that I am member of UNC. I told you today and the PNM that I, Jack Warner, shall be with you always, until the end of my time. There is no cause to worry, rant or rave. I going nowhere. The MP added: Yesterday, I saw 265.



Crap!!!!!!

Sounds like the sort of thing a demented dictator like Gaddafi would say!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 06, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
He said the PNM wanted his head because he was a committed member of the UNC. Warner said: The PNM want my head. They hate my guts. You know why they hate me so much? Because I love you so much. If I was not in UNC, I never would face this.

My biggest sin in the PNM is that I am member of UNC. I told you today and the PNM that I, Jack Warner, shall be with you always, until the end of my time. There is no cause to worry, rant or rave. I going nowhere. The MP added: Yesterday, I saw 265.



Crap!!!!!!

Sounds like the sort of thing a demented dictator like Gaddafi would say!!

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: elan on June 06, 2011, 09:56:44 AM
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....

Like Coop's still on hold on that phone call to JW. He cyah come back yet? Or did he get caught in de Tsunami? Somebody call de redcross.
Title: Re: Any Word On Jack's "Bombshell"?
Post by: Socapro on June 06, 2011, 09:59:34 AM
Since last week he cyar make up he mind if he want to send a tsunami or drop a bombshell......steups....

Like Coop's still on hold on that phone call to JW. He cyah come back yet? Or did he get caught in de Tsunami? Somebody call de redcross.
:rotfl: :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 06, 2011, 11:49:18 AM
Psychic Winston Ragoo: Jack will be cleared
...but FIFA will go all out to bring him down
Published: Sun, 2011-06-05 21:19
Shaliza Hassanali
 
Local psychic Winston Ragoo Suspended vice president of FIFA Jack Warner will eventually be cleared of bribery charges levelled against him by the internal football governing body. With this allegation out of the way, local psychic Winston Ragoo predicts Warner will willingly step down from the post and stick to his job as a government minister, serving the citizens of T&T, thousands of whom have been rallying behind him since the controversy erupted within FIFA. But this will not be the end of Warners troubles, Ragoo said, as he will be dogged by corruption allegations in the coming months from throngs of people and a battery of FBI agents trailing his every move.

Ragoo said FIFA will work closely with FBI agents in an attempt to bring Warner to his knees. They will try to go all out to bring Warner down. Before the years end, Ragoo said, Warner will face an uphill battle with new allegations of corruption surfacing. Warners misery has just begun. People will be coming forward with information in an attempt to nail him. Meanwhile, Ragoo said Warners performance in the last year has created a lot of enemies in and out of the Government. With supporters rallying behind Warner, Ragoo said, this can lead to the Works and Transport Minister becoming more popular than Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Also, the relationship between Warner and Legal Affairs Minister Prakash Ramadhar will become strained following recent statements made against Warner and by Warner against Ramadhar. He also predicted a collapse of the PPs support base if Warner walks.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 06, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
Psychic Winston Ragoo: Jack will be cleared
...but FIFA will go all out to bring him down
Published: Sun, 2011-06-05 21:19
Shaliza Hassanali
 
Local psychic Winston Ragoo Suspended vice president of FIFA Jack Warner will eventually be cleared of bribery charges levelled against him by the internal football governing body. With this allegation out of the way, local psychic Winston Ragoo predicts Warner will willingly step down from the post and stick to his job as a government minister, serving the citizens of T&T, thousands of whom have been rallying behind him since the controversy erupted within FIFA. But this will not be the end of Warners troubles, Ragoo said, as he will be dogged by corruption allegations in the coming months from throngs of people and a battery of FBI agents trailing his every move.

Ragoo said FIFA will work closely with FBI agents in an attempt to bring Warner to his knees. They will try to go all out to bring Warner down. Before the years end, Ragoo said, Warner will face an uphill battle with new allegations of corruption surfacing. Warners misery has just begun. People will be coming forward with information in an attempt to nail him. Meanwhile, Ragoo said Warners performance in the last year has created a lot of enemies in and out of the Government. With supporters rallying behind Warner, Ragoo said, this can lead to the Works and Transport Minister becoming more popular than Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Also, the relationship between Warner and Legal Affairs Minister Prakash Ramadhar will become strained following recent statements made against Warner and by Warner against Ramadhar. He also predicted a collapse of the PPs support base if Warner walks.


Hmmm, interesting!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 06, 2011, 03:05:51 PM
more crap---aud!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 07, 2011, 05:20:50 AM
By Clarence Rambharat
Trinidad Express
June 7, 2011


Different strokes for different folks. That is one way to explain Jack Warner's continued stay in Cabinet. But it is not that simple: Warner has many irons in the UNC fire and the party treads carefully. The big troubles are however higher up the pecking order and FIFA, like global governments and organisations, is now beset by intolerance for the leader-for-life mentality and what goes with it.

Pouncing upon every issue is a noisy, no-nonsense internet crowd, resistant to these attitudes of entitlement and this crowd can shake FIFA down. In the midst of this, it is troubling that the AG has fashioned his own rule of law in answer to the Warner/FIFA issue and others. In any event, with all these irons in the UNC fire, do you really expect the AG and the PM to say that Warner should step aside?

The Warner/FIFA issue highlights what people around the world have spent the last nine months reversing: tendencies to overstay welcomes and treat public resources and positions like private property. One argument is that FIFA and therefore Warner's role in FIFA and football are private matters; the other more compelling argument is that FIFA is nothing without the public resources put to work for the global game. That dependence denies FIFA and Warner a firewall, and makes them entirely accountable to the public. FIFA controls soccer but public resources run the game.

Warner is of course no stranger to everything spawned by Chuck Blazer's bribery allegation: allegations, counter-allegations, threats, cries of innocence and calls for resignation. In fact, if public opinion had held sway, Warner may have been made to choose between FIFA and Cabinet. But then again, could the UNC as a party have afforded the loss of what Warner, CONCACAF and FIFA have to offer?

So first, that matter of different strokes. On the FIFA side Warner has had better luck than other FIFA executives, a matter chronicled by Andrew Jennings in particular and the global media generally. As others were summarily dismissed and disgraced, Warner merely had his knuckles rapped by FIFA a couple times.

After his 2006 ticket imbroglio, Warner's Simpaul Travel was cut from the Warner-family business interests as part of a deal with FIFA. Then quietly, Simpaul reunited with the family, facilitating more FIFA and football-related travel and business. The inter-family and inter-football dealings and dotted lines between the Warner clan, FIFA, CONCACAF, CFU, TTFF, Joe Public, the Centre of Excellence and the former Scarlet Ibis Hotel are left unknown. Mention it and FIFA the private organisation and Warner's private interests are shoved in your face. The new question the PM and AG must answer is whether there are public resources flowing into and out of those so-called private FIFA and Warner-family business interests, including Simpaul Travel.

The other nagging question is whether the private interests and FIFA and football lives of Warner are really inseparable from his political and ministerial roles. And assuming they are, is the Warner/FIFA suspension issue any different from the Mary King issue? From a political standpoint you may be comparing pumpkin with pineapples. After all, Warner is the chairman of the UNC and is often described as a party financier. Whatever legal advice was obtained on the original Warner/FIFA duality, the PM must have been left with no choice but to give Warner the ministry of his choice.


Faced now with this FIFA suspension and more global coverage than the mega-million dollar hosting of the 1999 Miss Universe Pageant, Warner will only go if Warner decides to go. And that is so because Warnerand FIFA, CONCACAF, CFU, the Warner-family business interests and everything else Jack Warneris inextricably bound up with the party he chairs and the Government of which he is a minister. It comes down to who and not what and once it gets there, Warner is not Mary King. All that is left is for the AG to fashion a legal opinion to that effect.

Warner has worked to get the UNC back into power. After the 2001 collapse precipitated by internal corruption allegations, the 18-18 loss and the 2002 loss, the UNC seemed set to spend a long time in opposition. Further cracks developed after that 2002 loss, leading up to a major fissure and the creation of the COP. But given one more week, the impregnable-looking PNM might have been beaten. In 2010 Warner finished the business and achieved three objectives: control of the UNC, a comfortable seat in the House and defeat of Manning's PNM. One achievement lies ahead.


On that quest, Warner has done a little more. He has used his inseparable football and private business infrastructure to build a political organisation within the UNC but outside Rienzi Complex. He has built a solid media presence and keeps his constituents happy. In Warner's world, the benefits of his football position have helped to create a political position. But those benefits may have also helped the UNC and Warner's resources real or imagined, his infrastructure and people and his can-do approach compares considerably well with the UNC's stodgy and listless approach to decision-making and governance.

And that is the heart of the matter with Warner. Warner is the UNC and removing Warner from Cabinet may not be something the PM can do. The UNC will not admit that Warner's innocence is entirely separate from the question of whether a Cabinet member should step down, if the member is in the middle of a global scandal over bribery allegations.

By leaving Warner in Cabinet, little T&T is being led up the plank in a world that is intolerant of dictators, leaders-for-life and this attitude of entitlement which pervades global politics and organisations. Despite being splashed all over the global media and befuddled by allegations of bribery, a Cabinet position is apparently an entitlement for Warner, emphasising that there are different strokes for different folks.


Clarence Rambharat is a lawyer

and university lecturer

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 07, 2011, 05:33:15 AM
Police: 'Nothing to probe' over Jack
By Akile Simon and Ria Taitt


DEPUTY Commissioner of Police in charge of Anti-Crime Operations Mervyn Richardson has stated the police will not initiate a criminal probe into FIFA bribe allegations against Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner unless an official report is made.

Richardson, during a recent telephone interview with the Express, stated that the police had not received any report on the bribery allegation.

According to Richardson, the Police Service is aware of the allegations through the media, but does not intend to initiate any probe until an official report is made.

Richardson said, "There is nothing before us to investigate because no report has been made, so there is no investigation being conducted at this point in time."

Warner and former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hamman, along with two other Caribbean Football Union officials, were suspended by FIFA's Ethics Committee on May 29, based on allegations that they were involved in a bribes-for-votes campaign at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain in early May

Opposition Senator Fitzgerald Hinds said yesterday he had written to Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs asking him to state whether the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has begun or "intends to initiate the necessary investigations" into the matter of the bribery allegations against Warner and others.

Hinds, in his letter, noted that the matter had been in the public domain domestically, regionally and internationally. The letter was released at a news conference at the Opposition Leader's office, Charles Street, Port of Spain.

"Our concern is limited to the likelihood of a breach of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago, including our Exchange Control Act, the Customs Act and generally, our criminal law relating to bribery," Hinds stated in his letter, which was dated June 6.

He said it was alleged that sums amounting to US$1 million were distributed by way of bribes to participants at a Caribbean Football Union delegation meeting, and that these monies may have been improperly imported.

He pointed out that the allegations were now the subject of an investigation by the world football governing body FIFA. Hinds noted that Gibbs had a duty to uphold the integrity of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago and the preservation of law and order.

Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley rejected the position taken by those who argue that the issue involving Warner's continued tenure of office was "who works hard, who is getting the work done and who we need" in Government.

He also rejected Warner's "defence" that it was the People's National Movement objecting to his presence in the Government amidst bribery allegations.

Rowley said the leader of the Congress of the People, its chairman and its deputy leader were not PNM. He said "all right-thinking citizens" also had a problem with Warner's predicament.

"We (in the PNM) will resist all attempts to lower standards in this country," Rowley stated.

He said when the People's Partnership assumed office the main issue was governance and whether Warner's holding of the dual positions of FIFA vice-president and Government minister breached the parliamentary code of ethics.

Rowley said, one year later, the bulk of the news was Warner's relationship to the international body in which the country's image is being tarnished by virtue of the allegations ascribed to Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Daft Trini on June 07, 2011, 07:27:16 AM
amazing that this guy was allowed to lead our football for this long... ???
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 07, 2011, 07:59:53 AM
In Warner's world
By Clarence Rambharat


Different strokes for different folks. That is one way to explain Jack Warner's continued stay in Cabinet. But it is not that simple: Warner has many irons in the UNC fire and the party treads carefully. The big troubles are however higher up the pecking order and FIFA, like global governments and organisations, is now beset by intolerance for the leader-for-life mentality and what goes with it.

Pouncing upon every issue is a noisy, no-nonsense internet crowd, resistant to these attitudes of entitlement and this crowd can shake FIFA down. In the midst of this, it is troubling that the AG has fashioned his own rule of law in answer to the Warner/FIFA issue and others. In any event, with all these irons in the UNC fire, do you really expect the AG and the PM to say that Warner should step aside?

The Warner/FIFA issue highlights what people around the world have spent the last nine months reversing: tendencies to overstay welcomes and treat public resources and positions like private property. One argument is that FIFA and therefore Warner's role in FIFA and football are private matters; the other more compelling argument is that FIFA is nothing without the public resources put to work for the global game. That dependence denies FIFA and Warner a firewall, and makes them entirely accountable to the public. FIFA controls soccer but public resources run the game.

Warner is of course no stranger to everything spawned by Chuck Blazer's bribery allegation: allegations, counter-allegations, threats, cries of innocence and calls for resignation. In fact, if public opinion had held sway, Warner may have been made to choose between FIFA and Cabinet. But then again, could the UNC as a party have afforded the loss of what Warner, CONCACAF and FIFA have to offer?

So first, that matter of different strokes. On the FIFA side Warner has had better luck than other FIFA executives, a matter chronicled by Andrew Jennings in particular and the global media generally. As others were summarily dismissed and disgraced, Warner merely had his knuckles rapped by FIFA a couple times.

After his 2006 ticket imbroglio, Warner's Simpaul Travel was cut from the Warner-family business interests as part of a deal with FIFA. Then quietly, Simpaul reunited with the family, facilitating more FIFA and football-related travel and business. The inter-family and inter-football dealings and dotted lines between the Warner clan, FIFA, CONCACAF, CFU, TTFF, Joe Public, the Centre of Excellence and the former Scarlet Ibis Hotel are left unknown. Mention it and FIFA the private organisation and Warner's private interests are shoved in your face. The new question the PM and AG must answer is whether there are public resources flowing into and out of those so-called private FIFA and Warner-family business interests, including Simpaul Travel.

The other nagging question is whether the private interests and FIFA and football lives of Warner are really inseparable from his political and ministerial roles. And assuming they are, is the Warner/FIFA suspension issue any different from the Mary King issue? From a political standpoint you may be comparing pumpkin with pineapples. After all, Warner is the chairman of the UNC and is often described as a party financier. Whatever legal advice was obtained on the original Warner/FIFA duality, the PM must have been left with no choice but to give Warner the ministry of his choice.

Faced now with this FIFA suspension and more global coverage than the mega-million dollar hosting of the 1999 Miss Universe Pageant, Warner will only go if Warner decides to go. And that is so because Warnerand FIFA, CONCACAF, CFU, the Warner-family business interests and everything else Jack Warneris inextricably bound up with the party he chairs and the Government of which he is a minister. It comes down to who and not what and once it gets there, Warner is not Mary King. All that is left is for the AG to fashion a legal opinion to that effect.

Warner has worked to get the UNC back into power. After the 2001 collapse precipitated by internal corruption allegations, the 18-18 loss and the 2002 loss, the UNC seemed set to spend a long time in opposition. Further cracks developed after that 2002 loss, leading up to a major fissure and the creation of the COP. But given one more week, the impregnable-looking PNM might have been beaten. In 2010 Warner finished the business and achieved three objectives: control of the UNC, a comfortable seat in the House and defeat of Manning's PNM. One achievement lies ahead.

On that quest, Warner has done a little more. He has used his inseparable football and private business infrastructure to build a political organisation within the UNC but outside Rienzi Complex. He has built a solid media presence and keeps his constituents happy. In Warner's world, the benefits of his football position have helped to create a political position. But those benefits may have also helped the UNC and Warner's resources real or imagined, his infrastructure and people and his can-do approach compares considerably well with the UNC's stodgy and listless approach to decision-making and governance.

And that is the heart of the matter with Warner. Warner is the UNC and removing Warner from Cabinet may not be something the PM can do. The UNC will not admit that Warner's innocence is entirely separate from the question of whether a Cabinet member should step down, if the member is in the middle of a global scandal over bribery allegations.

By leaving Warner in Cabinet, little T&T is being led up the plank in a world that is intolerant of dictators, leaders-for-life and this attitude of entitlement which pervades global politics and organisations. Despite being splashed all over the global media and befuddled by allegations of bribery, a Cabinet position is apparently an entitlement for Warner, emphasising that there are different strokes for different folks.

Clarence Rambharat is a lawyer and university lecturer.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 09, 2011, 04:37:18 AM
Blatter welcomes Warners move to keep e-mail private.
T&T Guardian Reports.


FIFA President Sepp Blatter FIFA President Sepp Blatter has stated that he welcomes the move by Jack Warner, the former Concacaf president, who has been at the heart of Fifas power structure for nearly three decades and is suspended pending an investigation of bribery allegations, not to reveal further details of his threatened football tsunami.

If you have a problem inside your family you are not going to disclose if there is anything to be disclosed to the public, Blatter said on Monday.

Warner published an e-mail from Jrme Valcke in which he claimed Qatar had bought the 2022 World Cup but subsequently said he would say no more after legal advice. Asked whether it would not be more transparent to have allowed Warner to have his say, Blatter responded: These are allegations and there is no evidence, so, if somebody says its a tsunami, you know there are also very little tsunamis.

Blatter, who was the only candidate for the presidency after his rival Mohamed bin Hammam was suspended in the wake of bribery allegations by his fellow executive committee member American Chuck Blazer, said rebuilding Fifas reputation was his number one priority.

I have said zero tolerance is one thing but I have also said the social and cultural implementation of football is important but now its to rebuild the image of Fifa, thats No1, and I have already started, he said. The 75-year-old, Swiss, who reiterated that he had represented Fifa for 36 years and claimed it was my Fifa, refused to comment on whether there would be any further investigation into Valckes leaked e-mail.

I said, I will take this item once the congress is over. The congress is now over, so this week, during these days I will have a look on that. The Fifa President also insisted he was the right man to lead Fifa in the wake of the fierce criticism it has attracted in recent weeks from politicians, media and the public.

Automatically a lot of devils came in to the game and now we are in a situation where really, and I explained to the congress and Im happy that the congress understood what I have said, we have to go forward and we have to cut all these allegations, criticism, whatever. We cant do it in one day but we will do it.

Blatter,  meantime has named the opera singer Plcido Domingo as the latest addition to the council of wisdom he claims will help restore Fifas battered reputation. These gentlemen are more or less advisers, they are not the experts but advisers and what they should be also is the kind of council of wisdom which my executive committee would not like because they think they are the council of wisdom, but I have also contacted the Spanish singer, he told CNN, before appealing to his interviewer to recall the name.

Prompted, Blatter continued: Plcido Domingo will be part he is happy, he is proud that he is part as [Dr Henry] Kissinger also! People say he is an old man but he is a wise man. Kissinger confirmed at the weekend that he had been asked by Blatter to join the committee but said he was awaiting more detail before committing himself.

Johan Cruyff has also been named by Blatter as one of the politicians, celebrities and former footballers who will make up the committee. It has turned into a game of he said, he said, depending on the time of day. It was Chuck Blazers turn to fire back at Lisle Austin, the acting Concacaf president, who claims he has fired the New York City resident as the confederations general secretary.

I still have my job, very much so, Blazer was quoted by WorldFootballInsider.com  after Sepp Blatter was re-elected FIFA president in Zurich, Switzerland. There is no problem, added Blazer, a member of the FIFA executive committee. The majority of the executive committee has said very clearly that I have a job and they are the only ones who can control it. Concacaf faces its biggest crisis in years, if not decades. I have always been comfortable with Concacaf, Blazer told WorldFootballInsider.com.

Theres an individual who thinks he has more power than he does. There is a growing divide between two factions in the confederation, already has spoiled preparations for the Concacaf Gold Cup. A day prior to the June 25 final at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Concacaf is supposed to celebrate its 50th anniversary.

Heaven knows what shape the organisation will be in politically and if the members will be talking to each other. Austin, a native of Barbados, was named acting head after Concacaf president Jack Warner was provisionally suspended by the FIFA ethics committee because bribe allegations in the organisations presidential campaign were made by Blazer. Austin is a good friend of Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2011, 05:07:58 PM
Blatts, doh let Jackula blackmail yuh. Finish him orf .. den gih we a few months fuh Blazer then ... you. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 11, 2011, 04:19:06 AM
Police chief wants FIFAs file on Warner.
With reporting by Gail Alexander and Derek Achong.


Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs says  FIFA will be contacted to obtain any information which may assist local police in commencing an investigation into alleged criminal activity arising out of last months meeting between Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials and former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam.

Gibbs made the statement in a press release yesterday, responding to a five-day ultimatum given by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley on Thursday to change his position on starting a criminal investigation into alleged bribery that occurred at the meeting.

The controversial meeting held at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Port-of-Spain, on May 10 and 11, led to a full investigation by FIFAs Ethics Committee and to the temporary suspension of FIFA vice-president and Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner and bin Hammam, until its completion.

Since Warners suspension on May 29 by the committee, Rowley made several calls in the media for Warners removal as a Cabinet minister and for a police investigation into the meeting and alleged bribery.

At a press conference on Tuesday at the Police Service Commissions office, Gibbs told the media that a criminal investigation into the meeting and Warner could only be undertaken by police through official reports and tangible information.

Until we (police) receive information that suggests that a criminal investigation should be initiated, we will not investigate this, he said. In response, while speaking to reporters at a media conference at the Opposition Leaders office, Charles Street, Port-of-Spain, on Thursday, Rowley said: Im giving him (Gibbs) five days to reverse his position or we will report him to the Police Service Commission...The CoP has to report to somebody.

The release also denied Rowleys accusation that Gibbs position on the matter was a dereliction of duty.
Gibbs said: There has been no official report made by any member of society, or by any official of FIFA with regards to alleged criminal conduct based on reports carried by the media.

In the statement, Gibbs responded to calls by Rowley and Opposition senator Fitzgerald Hinds for the police to investigate the allegation that approximately US$1 million was brought into the country, contrary to the Foreign Exchange Act and the Customs Act to pay bribes to the CFU officials in exchange for votes in the FIFA presidential election held on June 1. With respect to the alleged US$1 million, the Comptroller of Customs has jurisdiction over this matter, Gibbs said.

Clause 3 of the Act states: There shall be exempted from the provisions of Section 22(1)(b) of the act, the importation into T&T by the traveller on his person or in his baggage of foreign currency notes which are or have at any time been legal tender in any country to the extent of US$5,000 currency in value.

In a telephone interview with the T&T Guardian late yesterday evening, Hinds said that the Opposition was relieved with Gibbs decision. We (Opposition) are happy that the Police Commissioner has recanted from the comfortable position he had previously taken, Hinds said. He is beginning his inquires by making a request to FIFA...That is a good place to start.

Once he has done that, then the very reasonable accusation of dereliction of duty begins to dissipate.
Hinds also expressed the view that Gibbs should liaise with the Comptroller of Customs to provide T&T with answers to questions asked on the matter. We are relieved that the commissioner has begun to do his work as dictated by the Police Service Act...all we ask is he does it promptly, he said.

Warner, attending the Governments Tobago retreat and the Prime Ministers round of public engagements, was not available for comment. He returns from Tobago this evening. Warners attorney Om Lalla, commenting on the Police Commissioners action, said: The commissioner is entitled to conduct his own investigations, and if he determines that there is any wrongdoing, its for  him to determine who is culpable or liable as a result of that and he will act appropriately.

Lalla said the FIFA probe involving Warner was still pending and he had not received any word from that end yet, on a date for hearing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 11, 2011, 04:24:57 AM
Kamla: Jack where were you?
By Andre Bagoo Saturday, June 11 2011


AFTER INDICATING that he will not meet with FIFA investigators over bribery allegations, Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner yesterday failed to attend several Cabinet functions held at Tobago.

Warners absence prompted Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to say at one event that when next she sees Warner she will ask him where he was.

When next I see him I will ask him: where were you? Persad-Bissessar told a crowd gathered at the opening of a community information technology centre at Bethel, Tobago, amidst a whirlwind tour of that island.

Persad-Bissessar was in the process of introducing the crowd to members of her Cabinet during a speech when members of the crowd twice questioned Warners absence.

On the first occasion, the Prime Minister said she will ask Warner where he was. On the second occasion, a woman asked, Where Jack Warner?

I dont know, Persad-Bissessar responded. She again said, when I see him I will ask him: where were you?

Warner yesterday missed a Cabinet tour of a school for the deaf, the opening of a new community centre at Bethel and the opening of a new CEPEP office at Scarborough, all at Tobago.

Warners absence came after he ignored questions from the media at a Cabinet retreat at Store Bay. At the same time, he was on Thursday reported to have indicated that he will not meet FIFA investigators charged with probing allegations of bribery against him unless summoned.

Warner, alleged along with fellow FIFA member Mohamed bin Hammam to have paid bribes to Caribbean associations, told Press Association Sport: I have not received any summons asking me to speak with them (the investigators) nor do I plan to do so.

He is was not clear if he would have attended the Peoples Partnerships thanksgiving service at Mason Hall Secondary School last night. A release from his ministry indicated that he was due to participate in a 5k at Queens Park Savannah, Port-of-Spain in Trinidad, casting doubt on if he will be on the Partnerships platform at a one-year-anniversary public meeting at Old Market Square, Scarborough, Tobago.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 11, 2011, 05:26:54 AM
Austin decides to co-operate with FIFA ethics committee
Story Created: Jun 11, 2011
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Austin_decides_to_co-operate_with_FIFA_ethics_committee-123675174.html



Suspended CONCACAF acting president Lisle Austin has decided to co-operate with investigations conducted by the FIFA ethics committee, arising out of charges of bribery against one-time presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam at a meeting with the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in Port of Spain last month.

This was announced in a CFU release yesterday.

It read: "In light of the attempts to address the challenges facing the Caribbean Football Union, as well as bring closure to the Ethics Committee proceedings, members of the Caribbean Football Union will fully co-operate with any investigation being conducted on behalf of the FIFA Ethics Committee.

"We have received notice that the requested interviews will now be conducted in the Bahamas as opposed to the United States of America.

"This event has dragged on for too long, many have suffered and many will continue to suffer. And so the union is unified in its position that in the interest of this game, we have agreed to attend the interviews at dates convenient to our respective members."

Also yesterday, Dominica Football Association president Patrick John denied any involvement in the cash-for-vote scandal that has rocked the global football fraternity.

John joins several other CFU federations who have already distanced themselves from the charges that have split CONCACAF, the continental governing body for North, Central America and the Caribbean.

It has been alleged Caribbean Football Union member associations received US$40,000 bribes in exchange for supporting challenger bin Hammam, leading up to the FIFA presidential elections against incumbent Sepp Blatter

The charges have since led to the suspension of bin Hammam and CFU and CONCACAF president Jack Warner, who is also a FIFA vice-president.

John, who attended the meeting in Trinidad last month when the bribes were allegedly handed out, said no offer of money was made to his association.

"Dominica was never approached about the gift being given because Dominica opposed bin Hammam's candidacy at the meeting when he made his presentation," he said.

"He was told that Dominica will not support him and will, instead, support Blatter. We were very tough on him. Other members asked some soft questions about when they will or will not get the money, that is, the money for the Goal Project and an increase in the Financial Assistance Project, and then the story broke out."

Other CFU members, including Jamaica and Barbados, have already denied receiving money in exchange for their votes.

John, a former Dominica prime minister, said he could not speak on behalf of other CFU countries, but reiterated the DFA were unaware of bribe money.


"I did not expect Dominica to be approached by anybody knowing our position," he pointed out.

"I am a supporter of Blatter. Dominica was excluded from that (bribery). I am not sure if the other associations received money to vote." CMC

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 11, 2011, 07:46:13 AM
Hmmm, its not like Warner to miss photo opportunities and adulation from his supporters. Its also clear that he's not liaising with Kamla and the party about his whereabouts. I'm thinking, Om Lalla has put him on lockdown so he doesn't further incriminate himself, after all, he does tend to speak before he thinks at times.

With Gibbs now on the case, and perhaps too, Customs, it looks like things are falling apart for Jack.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 11, 2011, 07:50:01 AM
With Gibbs now on the case, and perhaps too, Customs, it looks like things are falling apart for Jack.

who is influencing Gibbs to investigate Jack?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: signal on June 11, 2011, 07:58:59 AM
saw warner at the PP thanksgiving service last night in mason hall (on tv )...he has lost a lot of weight, didnt even recognise him at first...wow..
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 11, 2011, 10:00:35 AM
With Gibbs now on the case, and perhaps too, Customs, it looks like things are falling apart for Jack.

who is influencing Gibbs to investigate Jack?

The citizens of T&T, PNM and the worlds press. I don't believe Kamla, and by extention, Gibbs, would follow orders from anyone inside FIFA. Its taken a long time, but the people power we so often longed for on this site has taken hold.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 12, 2011, 05:35:53 AM
Jack: I am not a Simpaul director
By Andre Bagoo (Newsday).
Sunday, June 12 2011


WORKS and Transport Minister Jack Warner yesterday denied being a director of the travel agency which handled millions worth of bookings and travel expenses in relation to a special meeting of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) with then FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam last month.

Warner yesterday responded to an exclusive Sunday Newsday report published last week which disclosed that public company records list him as a director of Simpaul Travel Services Limited.

An annual return filed at the Companies Registry on January 14 listed Warner, whose first name is Austin, as a director alongside his wife, Maureen, and sons Darryl and Daryan, of 69 Cynthia Drive, Howell Settlement, Five Rivers, Arouca. The document was signed by Patricia Modeste, who was listed as the companys secretary. Modeste is also a longstanding aide of Warner at the CFU and CONCACAF.

Yesterday, however, Warner denied still being a director.

I am not a director of Simpaul, he said.

Asked to give an explanation as to why he was listed as a director in public companies registry documents, Warner said, I am not getting into that.

The current shareholders of Simpaul are listed as Princess Rose Campbell and housewife Margaret Fletcher, both of 177 Kitchener Avenue, Barataria. Both are former directors of Simpaul Travel. Their shares were transferred to them from Jack and Maureen Warner in March 2006.

Simpaul Travel was previously investigated by FIFA after it was revealed that tickets for the 2006 World Cup were channelled through the company. Warner, however, was subsequently cleared by the FIFA Ethics Committee.

Warner and his family had stepped down as directors in March 2006, the year of the World Cup in Germany. By August 2009, however, Warner and his family returned as directors. Warner did not address the issue of Simpaul benefitting from handling the travelling matters for the specially convened CFU meeting, which was specifically called so bin Hammam could address regional football leaders. At the time, bin Hammam was the only challenger to Sepp Blatter for the FIFA presidency, but he subsequently stepped aside after a bribery scandal involving himself, Warner and two other CFU officials, arising out of the same meeting, erupted mere days before the FIFA election.

Questioned further on the pending allegations of bribery against him stemming from the CFU meeting, Warner declined to comment. He would not say whether he had briefed Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar over the issue of the allegations against him and declined to even describe how his first Cabinet meeting since his return from Zurich, where he faced the Ethics Committee, was.

Mr Bagoo I am the same Jack Warner, the suspended FIFA vice-president said.

Cabinet meetings are confidential.

On whether he briefed the PM, he said, I am not talking about that.

Warner, who has been polled as the most popular Cabinet minister, was noticeably absent from some events in Tobago where the Cabinet met and attended a series of events over the past two days. (See page 20) However, Warner was present at a TOP thanksgiving service at the Mason Hall Secondary School on Friday night. He received a thunderous round of applause and cheers when he was introduced to the large crowd by Persad-Bissessar.

Sunday Newsday understands that there are as yet no plans at the Cabinet level for Warner to be re-aligned as part of a Cabinet shuffle. While there are splits within the coalition over the issue of Warner remaining in office pending FIFAs probe, it is understood that the view of the UNC members of Government is that Warner should be allowed to stay in place pending a final determination.

Warner was last month suspended as a FIFA vice-president pending the proceedings of the FIFA Ethics Committee. He is subject to FIFA bribery allegations in relation to a special CFU meeting held at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port-of-Spain last month. The meeting was organised to allow then FIFA presidential candidate bin Hammam to address CFU delegates. There have been allegations that delegates were paid cash bribes during the meeting.

Bin Hammam, who is also subject to FIFA Ethics Committee proceedings, said in his defence that he paid $2.3 million directly to the CFU in order to cover travelling and accommodation expenses of delegates and the overall costsof the two-day CFU meeting.

Warner is the president of the CFU. He reportedly said that the amount wired was less than the amount stated by bin Hammam in his statement of defence, $1.6 million (US$260,000).

On Thursday, Warner was reported to have indicated that he will not meet FIFA investigators charged with probing allegations of bribery against him unless summoned. Warner told Press Association Sport, I have not received any summons asking me to speak with them (the investigators) nor do I plan to do so.

Warners comments came as the legal wrangling over the acting CONCACAF president Lisle Austin continued this week with a Bahamas court ruling that he be reinstated in the post amidst a dispute over his powers.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 12, 2011, 05:54:19 AM
Camel Toe Stacy ?

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-12-4-2A_WORKS_RUN_(1).jpg)

Minister of Works and Transport Jack Warner, centre, and his junior minister, Stacy Roopnarine, take a jog during the first leg of the ministry's five-kilometre health, safety and the environment run at the Queen's Park Savannah in Port-of-Spain yesterday.
Author: SUREASH CHOLAI
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 12, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
Gotta be honest, rather be seeing more of Stacy than Jack  :rotfl:

It seems to me that one of Jacks major problems (assuming he's innocent of all accusations) is that his business dealings are unorganised, or he just can't be bothered to deal with the various legal & tax requirements required to do business.

He seems to feel that because he is Jack Warner, when a fact is stated to him, he can just say "thats not true". If documents completed and entered by his assistant say he is a Simpaul director, how can you say you're not? These are important records. If Modeste made a mistake, how did it happen? Its probably some kind of offence to incorrectly list directors (at least if it was done deliberately). This would mean Jack & Maureen would have to pay tax on any dividends. So that means that they could be receiving dividends, and if they are not aware, not paying tax. Surely, he must be aware of income he receives, if only because his accountant must go through his accounts annually?

It just seems to me that Jack has just bounced along not really bothering with the mundane nuisience of accountancy in the belief that nobody will ever challenge him. Remember the judge asked about a missing CHF1 million  from the LOC accounts? Just not there anywhere.

As I've said before, Al Capone was finally imprisoned on a charge of tax evasion. Once authorities start investigating, usually it just takes a little digging. It now remains to be seen if they really want to catch Jack or not.

Either way, there are so many questions surrounding Jack at the moment, he must be feeling uncomfortable. And on thursday, we have the TTFF and LOC accounts (which Jack is personally responsible for) being presented in the High Court.

I am starting to feel a little sympathy for Jack. Its starting to become a foxhunt. Someone said he's looking like he's lost weight. As much as I want to see him exposed if he has done wrong, I really don't wish the man ill health.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 12, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Warner must go - Seaga

Published: Sunday | June 12, 2011

Andr Lowe, Senior Staff Reporter

President of the Professional Football Association of Jamaica, Edward Seaga, came out swinging in an exclusive interview with The Sunday Gleaner, calling for the head of suspended Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) and Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president Austin 'Jack' Warner.

Seaga, labelled Warner, who is presently caught in the middle of bribery allegations as a tyrant, and waved a finger at his credibility.

It is alleged that CFU members were given gifts of US$40,000 to influence support for Mohamed bin Hammam, who is also suspended and who at the time was challenging recently re-elected FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job at football's global headquarters.

get rid of him

"We cannot continue this thing with Jack Warner, we simply cannot," Seaga asserted. "The man has already committed himself and will most likely do more harm if he is left out there alone, it's time for us to get rid of him."

"We need new leadership in the region, we definitely need new leadership if we are to move forward," added Seaga, a former prime minister of Jamaica, who currently serves as the president of the Premier League Clubs Association.

FIFA has launched an investigation into the allegations and has appointed ex-FBI director Louis Freeh to lead the process.

However, Seaga is already convinced that Warner, who is also a Trinidadian government minister, is toxic to the region's football development and also raised questions about his supporters.

"He has some chief supporters who are not very much different from him and are doing the same things ... ," said the hard-hitting Seaga.

"While there is a path to lead us out of this mess, I am not certain that the guts are there to take this path. People right across the region have their issues but are afraid to come public because of fear for this man," he added, while pointing to an incident where St Kitts and Nevis' Peter Jenkins was barred from both CONCACAF and CFU in 2009, after he opposed well-known Warner ally, Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaica Football Federation as the regional representative of the CONCACAF executive committee.

bad for football

"What kind of democracy is this? The whole money handling, the way in which he (Warner) operates is just bad for the region and bad for football. Here we are at the bottom trying to build football into something that is socially meaningful and doing well with that, and at the top, they are creating something that is managed under tyranny," Seaga stated.

In spite of his determination to see the back of Warner from the CFU top spot, Seaga admitted that he does not know who would be a more suitable option for the role.

"Quite frankly, I do not know the Caribbean football representatives as well as I know the local ones and so, I cannot suggest alternatives, but there are others who can do that," Seaga said.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 12, 2011, 05:03:10 PM
Trinidad Guardian
Gibbs must play to goal
Published: Sun, 2011-06-12



After announcing that the police force had initiated no investigations into the allegations that bribery on an international scale had taken place at Trinidad and Tobagos Hyatt Regency Hotel, Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs modified that unfortunate position by announcing that he would be contacting Fifa to source information that might form the foundation of a case. The Commissioner might have been playing his game with a clear eye on the rules of case building, reasoning that there had been no clear allegation made directly to the police; there was no reason to act. This in spite of the public statements by Opposition Leader Keith Rowley and Diego Martin MP Colm Imbert who had called on the police chief to review the allegations, widely reported in international media, that more than a million US dollars had been brought into the country without being declared and handed out to members of the 30-nation- strong Caribbean Football Union (CFU) led, until his suspension from football administration by Fifa, by Jack Warner.

Commissioner Gibbs might well have been justifiably cautious about putting his toe in roiling, uncertain waters. The Fifa imbroglio has swerved, often in a matter of hours, from being an internal tussle to an international bribery bacchanal to a stew of intrigue that would have left Machiavelli admiringly envious.
Before running onto that muddled field, the Police Chief must have been keen to ensure that his legally specific cleats were needed in play. Gibbs would also have been justified in being concerned that he was being pushed into play by the Opposition PNM. There has already been enough idle talk about the role of the Police Commissioner being influenced by the political imperatives of the Government that the Commissioner might well have been cautious about being urged off the bench by the Opposition. Still, in an environment of public concern and international attention riveted on accusations of bluntly criminal activity taking place in Trinidad and Tobago, the Commissioner of Police could not be seen to be taking a position of seeing and hearing no evil until it is clearly pointed out to him.

With five members of the CFU coming forward to acknowledge publicly that they had been offered US$40,000 packages of cash addressed to their nations, there was clearly information being presented to Fifa that would be relevant to an investigation into wrongdoing in Trinidad and Tobago. Statements from the representatives of football associations of the CFU member states, Suriname, the Bahamas, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and the Turks and Caicos Islands, which have come forward to acknowledge being offered the money, would surely offer the kind of foundation for investigation that would support the Commissioners presence in this mercurial game. Theres no doubt that distractions abound in the brouhaha thats arisen out of the bribery allegations, the re-election of Sepp Blatter, the accusations that continue to flurry around Jack Warner and Mohamed bin Hammam and the general sense of ill-will toward Fifa. In such an environment, Commissioner Gibbs must be clear in his role as the designated striker for law and justice in Trinidad and Tobago in his dealings with Fifa.

Despite his earlier reluctance to respond to the widespread international reports of alleged bribery on these shores, his strategy with the football body must be goal-focused. Gather relevant information and documentation from Fifa, solicit statements from those members of the CFU who have acknowledged receiving the payments and establish, from multiple independent sources, a verified lineup of participants in the illegal transaction of undeclared monies in Trinidad and Tobago. None of this is likely to be simple, but it is all necessary if Trinidad and Tobago is to redeem its reputation from the tarring its received in the Fifa imbroglio and the justice that the Commissioner has sworn to uphold is served without fear or favour.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 15, 2011, 08:15:12 PM
High-Low Hang-Jack Game.
By Tony Deyal (Express).


Funny Business

I saw an interesting cartoon in an Antiguan newspaper last week. 

It was a house of cards collapsing on a football field. 

I could not make out the game but it was not whappie, rummy or even poker. 

From my reckoning, the game was All Fours. 

It had to be.   

Football is no longer the "beautiful" game but has become the High, Low, Hang-Jack game.

Here is Jack Warner, on a HIGH in world football and Trinidad politics, the King-maker in one and the Queen-maker in the other. 

Next thing you know one of his old associates and confidantes, Chuck Blazer, accuses Jack of bribery and the man Jack served faithfully for so many years, Sepp Blatter, engineers Jack's suspension from his FIFA post and then rubs salt in the wound by banning Jack from any contact with CONCACAF football and its officials until Jack's matter has been heard. 

In other words, Jack has been brought down LOW.

The majority of insiders and the media have said that we are seeing the end of Jack as a force or even a player in World Football. 

As far as they are concerned Jack is history. 

They think the trial or hearing is really a rubber stamp and Jack will be disgraced and deposed. 

Jack's attempt to get his Barbadian Deputy, Lisle Austin, to fire the man who ratted on him, Chuck Blazer, seemed to have ended up as a triumph for Blazer and disaster for Jack and Austin. 

CONCACAF, the organisation that Jack ruled with both an iron and a golden fist, turned against Jack. 

The Executive Committee made it clear that the sacking was unauthorised and that Austin did not have the authority to fire anybody. 

Now if that isn't a HANG JACK, I don't know what is.

But to get all six points you need to get "game". 

Game is not as simple as kicking or hanging Jack. 

It is the accumulation of "high-card" points along the way or how many Aces, Kings, Queens and Tens you have been able to win during the course of the match. 

Right now it seems that Blatter and his boys are holding all the high cards and Jack is left with the trash.

They have won every "lift" in the match so far.

There is a danger here in underestimating Jack. 

He did not get his wealth or power from being "Mr Nice Guy". 

He may have fallen from grace but not from Kamla. 

The signals so far is that whatever happens to his football career, he is still the Government's MOWT and will remain so for the foreseeable future.  While we have not heard from Spalk who was outspoken on the Mary King matter but may have COPped out on this one because of his closeness to Jack, we have heard from Prakash who wants Jack sidelined until the FIFA decision. 

Prakash's pronouncement has fallen like a stone in the sea. 

Not even Anand dares to touch it.

Some of us wonder though whether this state of affairs will last for much longer. 

There is a curse that befalls any minister that is perceived to be out-performing the Prime Minister. 

Sadiq Baksh fell prey to it as Works Minister. 

Wendell Mottley's political career died because of it. 

Now it is Jack's turn. 

If old-time moviegoers think "The Curse of the Pharoah" was bad, this double curse will be worse. 

Long ago we used to say, "Give Jack his Jacket and Jim his jim (gym)-boots" but in this case instead of Jack getting a jacket he got a Blazer. 

As for the gym-boots, his marching orders may soon come.
Title: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: FireBrand on June 20, 2011, 08:33:15 AM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
BBC Sport.


Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has resigned, world football's governing body has confirmed.

"As a consequence of Mr Warner's resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained," said a Fifa statement.

Warner was suspended pending an investigation into bribery allegations.

He and fellow Fifa member Mohamed Bin Hammam are alleged to have paid bribes of 600,000 to Caribbean associations.

Continue reading the main story The Fifa Executive Committee, the Fifa President and the Fifa management thank Mr Warner and wish him well for the future

Chuck Blazer, general secretary of the Concacaf federation Warner had been president of, alleged that violations of Fifa's code of ethics occurred during a meeting organised by Bin Hammam and Warner in May.

Blazer's allegations were preceded by claims made in parliament by the former head of England's failed 2018 World Cup bid, Lord Triesman, about irregularities in the bidding process for the 2018 World Cup.

Triesman, who was also former chairman of the Football Association, accused Warner and three other Fifa Executive Committee members of improper conduct during England's 2018 World Cup bid.

According to Triesman, in exchange for voting for England to host the World Cup, Warner had asked for cash to build an education centre in Trinidad and to buy World Cup television rights for Haiti.

The 68-year-old had been the longest-serving member of Fifa's executive committee, and a Fifa statement continued: "Fifa regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warner's decision.

"His resignation has been accepted by world football's governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the Concacaf confederation are appreciated and acknowledged.

Fifa in May opened "ethics proceedings" against Warner and Bin Hammam but Warner insisted he was not guilty of a "single iota of wrongdoing."

Football's governing body then suspended Warner and former Fifa presidential candidate Bin Hammam on 29 May, pending an investigation into claims they had offered bribes to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

Despite claims by Bin Hammam that Fifa President Sepp Blatter was aware of payments made to the CFU, and that he too should be investigated, Fifa' ethics committee stated that "no investigation is warranted" of Blatter.

Following Bin Hammam's suspension, Blatter went on to run unopposed in the Fifa presidential election, despite efforts by the FA to have the election suspended amid the corruption allegations that had engulfed the sport's world governing body.

Seventeen member associations supported the FA's request for a delay, but Blatter was re-elected for a fourth term after receiving 186 of the 203 votes.

Despite the controversy that has surrounded Fifa and Warner since May, the governing body's statement concluded:

"Mr Warner is leaving Fifa by his own volition after nearly 30 years of service.

"The Fifa Executive Committee, the Fifa President and the Fifa management thank Mr Warner for his services to Caribbean, Concacaf and international football over his many years devoted to football at both regional and international level, and wish him well for the future."
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: andre samuel on June 20, 2011, 08:41:16 AM
 :o :o :o :o ??? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: g on June 20, 2011, 08:43:11 AM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure

Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: FF on June 20, 2011, 08:43:47 AM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure




No effect... we remain shite
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: andre samuel on June 20, 2011, 08:44:45 AM
www.fifa.com

Jack A. Warner has informed FIFA about his resignation from his posts in international football.

FIFA regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warners decision.

His resignation has been accepted by world footballs governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the CONCACAF confederation are appreciated and acknowledged.

Mr Warner is leaving FIFA by his own volition after nearly 30 years of service, having chosen to focus on his important work on behalf of the people and government of Trinidad and Tobago as a Cabinet Minister and as the Chairman of the United National Congress, the major party in his countrys coalition government.

The FIFA Executive Committee, the FIFA President and the FIFA management thank Mr Warner for his services to Caribbean, CONCACAF and international football over his many years devoted to football at both regional and international level, and wish him well for the future.

As a consequence of Mr Warners self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: mukumsplau on June 20, 2011, 08:45:02 AM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure



i never saw the benefit of warner to our football...lets do the talking on the field and let our performances get us to where we have to go...enough of the godfather mentality...
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: D.H.W on June 20, 2011, 08:45:17 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: FireBrand on June 20, 2011, 08:49:19 AM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure



Was our football struggling when he was not involved with FIFA?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: g on June 20, 2011, 08:54:07 AM
If it's bad now, then it probably will get worse.

You could argue that it's probably worse than it ever was so may as well clean house and start fresh.

The only problem is that we still have the same administration in place.

Who gonna bail them out now when Pfister not  getting his salary

I will only feel better about local football if there is a ripple effect and Camps and his administration follow suit.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: triniairman on June 20, 2011, 08:56:09 AM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure



i never saw the benefit of warner to our football...lets do the talking on the field and let our performances get us to where we have to go...enough of the godfather mentality...
Piggy bank/thief
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Dutty on June 20, 2011, 09:00:41 AM
Who gonna bail them out now when Pfister not  getting his salary

He have he golden protoge in the ministry writin Pfister cheques...otto go continue to eat nice

Everybody else go eat ...uh cake
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Red Mango on June 20, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
Well well well... Very interesting developments here....
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: TdotTrini on June 20, 2011, 09:03:34 AM
I wonder what is Warner status with TTFF and CFU?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Arimaman on June 20, 2011, 09:06:10 AM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure



i never saw the benefit of warner to our football...lets do the talking on the field and let our performances get us to where we have to go...enough of the godfather mentality...
While I do not like Jack and his antics, he did help T&T football in many ways.  Any idea how we hosted all those CONCACAF tournaments?  Going back to the 80's he single handedly mortgaged his house to host some of those tournaments and bring some of those big clubs to T&T.  That brought exposure to our game and to our play and allowed our players to be exposed eventually opening the door for Yorke, Latas, Ince etc to gain professional contracts.  

Again, I think the man is not honest buy he did help the football, there is no denying that.  Give him some credit...  All that said, I believe he is corrupt as hell.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 20, 2011, 09:08:24 AM
well i see this as a way to keep he Minister Wuk, now dat gibbs goe can get info from FIFA on him....

it impossible to be at d top in dat kinda position without being corrupt...but yes dem fellas redefine d word corrupt
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 09:12:09 AM
No FIFA = no concacaf, no cfu.  Obviously, Jack will do anything to avoid the results of the FIFA inquiry being revealed. Question is will Gibbs still investigate?

Just think, when the players started the court case, people said Warner could never be beaten. I know this wasn't directly to do with the court case, but maybe the court victory showed others that he wasn't undefeatable.  
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: STEUPS!! on June 20, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
well aint this some shit  :-\
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: mukumsplau on June 20, 2011, 09:20:35 AM
he overstayed his welcome in TT football...it pains me to see where we were in 2006 and where we are now...all because of this man..yes i put it down solely to him...we were never suppose to f up the qualifiers like we did....his badmind not only stunted our growth but sent us back....way back..
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: DeSoWa on June 20, 2011, 09:22:51 AM
Jack resigning from FIFA doh mean nothing as it relates to T&T Football. He still in charge and the one pulling all the strings...when that stop then I go be happy!

Big Up!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: injunchile on June 20, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
The Govt will run the bread as long as PP in power. So Jack still in charge but Anil will get the praise. Next up- The Jamaica capt- Brunnell will be the new Boss of CFU and then with Jack"s coaching will rise to FIFA VP.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
No FIFA = no concacaf, no cfu.  Obviously, Jack will do anything to avoid the results of the FIFA inquiry being revealed. Question is will Gibbs still investigate?

Just think, when the players started the court case, people said Warner could never be beaten. I know this wasn't directly to do with the court case, but maybe the court victory showed others that he wasn't undefeatable.  

FIFA has closed the matter so they are under no obligation to respond to Gibbs request with any documents.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Peong on June 20, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
Good for world football but bad for T&T.
Now he will have more time to focus on effing up T&T via the Min. of Works and the TTFF.
Let me see what bigsoccer sayin.  I sure they havin a party in there.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: vb on June 20, 2011, 10:07:59 AM
 :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:

Sadly it means Warner will continue to run TT football but with no ass licking (bribe) how will TT football manage?

Perhaps this will be the catalyst to get rid of him and the TTFF puppets wholesale.

VB
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Jack resigning from FIFA doh mean nothing as it relates to T&T Football. He still in charge and the one pulling all the strings...when that stop then I go be happy!

Big Up!

 :thumbsup:

When the players get their money, Camps resigns and JW is no longer Special Advisor to the TTFF then and only then we will have cause to celebrate that T&T football has been released from the stranglehold and can start to move forward!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: royal on June 20, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
is he going to move out of the Centre of Excellence?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: royal on June 20, 2011, 10:35:28 AM
Jack Warner Resigns - Big Soccer

After persistent rumors all weekend long, FIFA Soccer News Topics announced this morning that Vice President Jack Warner has resigned.

In a negotiated deal, FIFA is dropping the investigation of Warners' activities in connection with the Port-of-Spain Soccer News Topics Bribe-o-Rama on May 10 & 11.

I think it's probably more accurate to say - although I haven't seen this particular verbiage - that, since obviously the affair cannot possibly be investigated without looking into Warners' role, FIFA has agreed not to publish a finding in his case.

Warner has agreed to quit all of his positions in International soccer, including Vice President of FIFA, President of CONCACAF, President of the Caribbean Football Union, member of the FIFA Executive Committee and, of course, Special Advisor to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation.

Here's the entire statement from FIFA:

Jack A. Warner has informed FIFA about his resignation from his posts in international football.

FIFA regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warners decision.

His resignation has been accepted by world footballs governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the CONCACAF confederation are appreciated and acknowledged.

Mr Warner is leaving FIFA by his own volition after nearly 30 years of service, having chosen to focus on his important work on behalf of the people and government of Trinidad and Tobago as a Cabinet Minister and as the Chairman of the United National Congress, the major party in his countrys coalition government.

The FIFA Executive Committee, the FIFA President and the FIFA management thank Mr Warner for his services to Caribbean, CONCACAF and international football over his many years devoted to football at both regional and international level, and wish him well for the future.

As a consequence of Mr Warners self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.

That sound you just heard was the starters' pistol beginning the mad scramble for the posts and the power he's leaving behind.

Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Midknight on June 20, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
There's your bombshell right there  :o
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 20, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
Jack Warner Resigns - Big Soccer

After persistent rumors all weekend long, FIFA Soccer News Topics announced this morning that Vice President Jack Warner has resigned.

In a negotiated deal, FIFA is dropping the investigation of Warners' activities in connection with the Port-of-Spain Soccer News Topics Bribe-o-Rama on May 10 & 11.

I think it's probably more accurate to say - although I haven't seen this particular verbiage - that, since obviously the affair cannot possibly be investigated without looking into Warners' role, FIFA has agreed not to publish a finding in his case.

Warner has agreed to quit all of his positions in International soccer, including Vice President of FIFA, President of CONCACAF, President of the Caribbean Football Union, member of the FIFA Executive Committee and, of course, Special Advisor to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation.
Here's the entire statement from FIFA:

Jack A. Warner has informed FIFA about his resignation from his posts in international football.

FIFA regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warners decision.

His resignation has been accepted by world footballs governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the CONCACAF confederation are appreciated and acknowledged.

Mr Warner is leaving FIFA by his own volition after nearly 30 years of service, having chosen to focus on his important work on behalf of the people and government of Trinidad and Tobago as a Cabinet Minister and as the Chairman of the United National Congress, the major party in his countrys coalition government.

The FIFA Executive Committee, the FIFA President and the FIFA management thank Mr Warner for his services to Caribbean, CONCACAF and international football over his many years devoted to football at both regional and international level, and wish him well for the future.

As a consequence of Mr Warners self-determined resignation, all Ethics Committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.

That sound you just heard was the starters' pistol beginning the mad scramble for the posts and the power he's leaving behind.


Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: KND2 on June 20, 2011, 10:53:12 AM
Thanks for the years Jack.

I never thought I would see this day.

Would be interested to see How Central America and the US try to convince the West Indians who should take over. Hopefully a west Indian can win again.

Maybe the Jamaican.

The West Indies has the votes but how do they keep together.

 
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: KND2 on June 20, 2011, 11:01:39 AM
Center of excellence will soon close. depending on who take over all fifa conference will stop....just to spite Jack.. What a sad day for Joe Public as well. No more free games for TnT national team , and money for foreign coach gone as well.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: TdotTrini on June 20, 2011, 11:06:11 AM
Tweet from Martyn Ziegler

FIFA say under Swiss law no longer have jursidiction over Warner, will re-open inquiry if he returns to football & has no immunity offered.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: FireBrand on June 20, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
Jack Warner's statement on resignation.

FINAL   STATEMENT
 
By   letter dated June 17, 2011, and effective on that date - as confirmed by the   world football governing body - I resigned the positions I had long held as   FIFA Vice President, President of CONCACAF and President of the Caribbean   Football Union.

This   decision is by my own volition and self-determination; albeit it comes during   the sequel to the contentious Mohammed bin Hammam meeting in Port of Spain in   May with CFU Delegates.

I   am convinced, and I am advised by Counsel, that since my actions did not   extend beyond facilitating the meeting that gave Mr. bin Hammam an opportunity   to pursue his aborted bid for the FIFA presidency, I would be fully exonerated   by any objective arbiter.

I   have, nonetheless, arrived at the decision to withdraw from FIFA affairs in   order to spare FIFA, CONCACAF and, in   particular, CFU and its   membership, from further acrimony and divisiveness arising from this   and related issues.

I   am gratified that FIFA has acknowledged my service to international and   regional football over several decades.

It   is also a special source of satisfaction to me that during my tenure,   capacities and facilities in the Caribbean were upgraded to levels that   enabled the region to host several FIFA World Cup Finals.
 
I   sincerely hope that the Caribbean Football Union will continue to fight above   its weight in FIFA and CONCACAF affairs.
 
With   my withdrawal from service in international football, I shall, henceforth, be   concentrating exclusively on my lifelong commitment to the service of the   people of Trinidad and Tobago, currently as Chairman of the major party in our   governing coalition and as a Cabinet Minister in the Government of our   Republic.
 
I   shall continue to encourage the youth of the Caribbean and the world to deepen   their involvement in football, which has lifted so many young people out of   hopelessness and risk to personal achievement, while bringing glory to their   respective countries.


Respectfully   submitted

 
Jack   Warner

June 20,   2011

.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: JDB on June 20, 2011, 11:12:51 AM
This is like Capone going down on Tax Evasion, they finally get him on something. I wonder if he will still be parroting talk about him not facilitating the bribes.

Said it earlier, Jack get careless. This operation was too brazen (not as brazen as ticket or leave it) and it seems he didn't even care to check if he was bribing willing conspirators.

With all of that though, he woulda still get off if Blazer didn't put in the legal homework before bussin the mark and if FIFA it wasn't during this relatively bad media period that FIFA experiencing.

Will be interesting to see if he will try to prop up a puppet to continue taking advantage of the CFU numbers or if the CFU is now fractured so much that they will let the north and central americans take over.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Dutty on June 20, 2011, 11:22:15 AM
Burrell vs Blazer in the octagon....Blatter is the ref.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
Center of excellence will soon close. depending on who take over all fifa conference will stop....just to spite Jack.. What a sad day for Joe Public as well. No more free games for TnT national team , and money for foreign coach gone as well.

When last have we played any team of note in a friendly anyway?

As far as I know its the Ministry of Sports (aka T&T taxpayers) and not JW acquired bribe money that is being used to pay Pfister!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: futbolfan on June 20, 2011, 11:23:50 AM
I now printing up meh 'Free Jack Warner' tee shirts. oh well
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Dutty on June 20, 2011, 11:25:47 AM
I now printing up meh 'Free Jack Warner' tee shirts. oh well

Diamondtrim say he go still buy ah box
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: soccerrama on June 20, 2011, 11:51:45 AM
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/media/newsid=1455834/index.html


FIFA scandal
Warner: I've been hung out to dry
June 20, 2011
By ESPNsoccernet staff

Jack Warner, who quit his post as FIFA vice-president on Monday, claims he has been ''hung out to dry'' and insists the giving of gifts has been part of FIFA culture during his 30 years in the organisation.


Warner was also president of the CONCACAF federation of countries from the Caribbean and north and central America until he was reported to FIFA by CONCACAF's general secretary Chuck Blazer and became the focus of an investigation into corruption in world football's governing body.

Warner told Bloomberg: ''It's not unusual for such things to happen and gifts have been around throughout the history of FIFA. What's happening now for me is hypocrisy.

''I have lost my enthusiasm to continue. The general secretary that I had employed, who worked with me for 21 years, with the assistance of elements of FIFA has sought to undermine me in ways that are unimaginable.

''This is giving the impression that FIFA is sanitising itself. I've been hung out to dry continually and I'm not prepared to take that.''

Warner insisted in a statement he would have been exonerated by the ethics committee.

He said: ''This decision is by my own volition and self-determination; albeit it comes during the sequel to the contentious Mohammed Bin Hammam meeting in Port of Spain in May with CFU Delegates.

''I am convinced, and I am advised by counsel, that since my actions did not extend beyond facilitating the meeting that gave Mr Bin Hammam an opportunity to pursue his aborted bid for the FIFA presidency, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.

''I have, nonetheless, arrived at the decision to withdraw from FIFA affairs in order to spare FIFA, CONCACAF and, in particular, CFU and its membership, from further acrimony and divisiveness arising from this and related issues.

''I am gratified that FIFA has acknowledged my service to international and regional football over several decades.

''It is also a special source of satisfaction to me that during my tenure, capacities and facilities in the Caribbean were upgraded to levels that enabled the region to host several FIFA World Cup finals.

''I sincerely hope that the Caribbean Football Union will continue to fight above its weight in FIFA and CONCACAF affairs.

''With my withdrawal from service in international football, I shall, henceforth, be concentrating exclusively on my lifelong commitment to the service of the people of Trinidad and Tobago, currently as chairman of the major party in our governing coalition and as a Cabinet Minister in the Government of our Republic.

''I shall continue to encourage the youth of the Caribbean and the world to deepen their involvement in football, which has lifted so many young people out of hopelessness and risk to personal achievement, while bringing glory to their respective countries.''
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Cocorite on June 20, 2011, 11:52:50 AM
Ooh Guuude!  Nothing lasts forever Jack. This is only the beginning.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2011, 12:03:27 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 20, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
Now we could purge the TTFF of dem inept administrators and really get this thing going.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2011, 12:05:17 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Me too.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: just cool on June 20, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
Now we could purge the TTFF of dem inept administrators and really get this thing going.
Keep dreamin buddy. that iz ah different animal altogether.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 20, 2011, 12:06:52 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.

Well, it would really force the TTFF to get its house in order and stop waiting on hand-me-downs from Warner.  The reliance for funding seems to have shifted to the gov't for now, but with a change in regime, the TTFF could see some hard times, unless they install some competent officers and embark on a program of transparency and accountability.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 20, 2011, 12:08:34 PM
Now we could purge the TTFF of dem inept administrators and really get this thing going.
Keep dreamin buddy. that iz ah different animal altogether.

Really alluding to this potentially being a catalyst for change.  I could see Camps and others eventually throwing in the towel too, but there will have to be pressure on the administration.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 12:10:56 PM
I want to hear it from JW's lips that he is no longer Special Advisor to the TTFF and is no longer pulling stings to keep Camps in his lifelong position as President of the TTFF and then I may have cause to start celebrating!

Next chapter: The TTFF must show proper accounts for the 2006 World Cup finals and our 2006 World Cup players must get their full bonus money or whoever steal their money must make ah jail!

The end of this on his month should be interesting! Will the TTFF finally show proper 2006 World Cup accounts?  :mackdaddy:

JW's drinking pardner Coop's already say there's no way on earth that's happening!!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 20, 2011, 12:19:42 PM
I notice he eh put special adviser to the TTFF ... BUT ANYWAY HE GONE HE GONE HE GONE YES now CAMPS
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: soccerrama on June 20, 2011, 12:20:42 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/929245/warner-quits-fifa-as-bribery-charges-dropped?cc=3888


Warner resigns from FIFA post
June 20, 2011
By ESPNsoccernet staff

FIFA have confirmed that vice president Jack Warner has resigned from all his positions in international football and that an investigation into bribery allegations against him have been dropped.


Jack Warner: Has quit FIFA and CONCACAF
Warner, who was also head of the CONCACAF federation, had been suspended along with Asian federation chief Mohamed bin Hammam over accusations of bribery during the presidential election.

World football's governing body said the investigation against Warner, the longest-serving member of FIFA's executive committee, had "been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained''.

FIFA released a statement which read: "Jack A. Warner has informed FIFA about his resignation from his posts in international football. FIFA regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warner's decision.

"His resignation has been accepted by world football's governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the CONCACAF confederation are appreciated and acknowledged.

"Mr Warner is leaving FIFA by his own volition after nearly 30 years of service, having chosen to focus on his important work on behalf of the people and government of Trinidad & Tobago as a Cabinet Minister and as the Chairman of the United National Congress, the major party in his country's coalition government.

"The FIFA executive committee, the FIFA president and the FIFA management thank Mr Warner for his services to Caribbean, CONCACAF and international football over his many years devoted to football at both regional and international level, and wish him well for the future.

"As a consequence of Mr Warner's self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.''

However, Damian Collins, the Tory MP who has been campaigning for FIFA reforms, condemned the decision to drop the investigation into Warner.

He said: ''This just shows FIFA can't be trusted to do it by themselves. The whole investigation has been a complete farce. There have been stories of countries refusing to take part in the inquiry. Jack Warner has gone from protesting his innocence to resigning from FIFA, who now drop the inquiry into him.

''There has been no proper investigation by FIFA - that's the most serious thing. It's a bigger question than Jack Warner's role, it's about the integrity of the organisation. I don't see why this should be the end of the investigation just because he has resigned.''

Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended last month after they were accused of giving or offering bribes of $40,000 to the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). The total sum involved was $1 million according to a report to the FIFA ethics committee.

Affidavits sent to the ethics committee testify that Warner told the CFU members at the special meeting in Trinidad on May 10 and 11 the cash had been provided by Bin Hammam, who was then running for FIFA president.

Bahamas FA vice-president Fred Lunn said he had been given the cash in a brown envelope which he photographed before returning.

Lunn said in his affidavit that the following day "Mr Warner stated that he had instructed Mr Bin Hammam to bring the cash equivalent of any gift he had intended to bring for the people attending this meeting.

"Mr Warner then stated that the money could be used for any purpose... for grassroots programs or any purpose the individuals saw fit.''

The president of the Surinam FA, Louis Giskus, also confirmed earlier this month that he was given $40,000 in a brown envelope as a gift. A number of other associations have told investigators that they too were given the cash. Some kept it, others returned the money.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: tempo on June 20, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.

Big time! Jack has essentially received immunity from FIFA while casting himself as the victim of hypocrisy. With his money, he will continue to be the king maker in the region. Brilliant move on his part.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Bitter on June 20, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 12:50:51 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.

Your reasons may differ from mine, but I was surprised to catch myself there too, especially where national football development is concerned.

The  CFU still has voting power so I'm not that concerned for that right now. But with all the problems plaguing the game from Pro-league to youth football its really not the best time to have a leadership vaccum, and inevitable infighting in the country. Then again we have not had competent leadership for a long time.

Not to mention the lack of a new generation of competent, experienced administrators (no succession planning by TTFF), or even the possibility that Jack and Co. will continue to exert undue, destructive influnce on the development of the game.





Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: elan on June 20, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Somebody check Coop's!!!!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
Somebody check Coop's!!!!

Nowhere to be seen!!!

Maybe he's reading but is too embarassed to post, who knows?!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
Hanged
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: tempo on June 20, 2011, 01:03:14 PM
I predict a split between CFU and CONCACAF as the most politically convenient resolution. CFU would get a .5 berth and play CONCACAF 4th place team to qualify for future world cups. CONCACAF wont risk the chance of another Caribbean-based President who may do Jack's bidding.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 01:04:44 PM
Somebody check Coop's!!!!

Nowhere to be seen!!!

Maybe he's reading but is too embarassed to post, who knows?!  8)

 :devil:  Basket doh hold water
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Dutty on June 20, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
Somebody check Coop's!!!!

Nowhere to be seen!!!

Maybe he's reading but is too embarassed to post, who knows?!  8)

allyuh come ridin fuh de man arready
leeve mr coop alone nah......he mightn be on the side of the fence yuh like buh de man do yeoman service fuh he country when it come to football

.....now if yuh ride fuh mih pardner diamondtrim and he silk garments, I in dat ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 01:17:51 PM
Hanged

Jack may have been hanged but its not game until accounts have been shown and either the players get their money or someone makes a jail for not paying up after losing the game!  ;)
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Tenorsaw on June 20, 2011, 01:25:16 PM
I predict a split between CFU and CONCACAF as the most politically convenient resolution. CFU would get a .5 berth and play CONCACAF 4th place team to qualify for future world cups. CONCACAF wont risk the chance of another Caribbean-based President who may do Jack's bidding.

You really think Fifa would endorse a Concacaf split along those lines?  That would be the demise of Caribbean football, if you ask me.  Sad to say, but our Caribbean football administrators are lacking administratively.  No disrespect, but it is the truth.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
Hanged

Jack may have been hanged but its not game until accounts have been shown and either the players get their money or someone makes a jail for not paying up after losing the game!  ;)

That past hanging, that's when Jack will be f**ked.

IF that does happen.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: FF on June 20, 2011, 01:35:16 PM

Fifa still corrupt, jack still in government, anil roberts is still minister of sport and Oliver camps still president of TTFF

Trinbago football still in de same spot, but hopefully we could look back and say this is when jack stranglehold on TnT football ended and things changed for the better
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 01:38:14 PM
Hanged

Jack may have been hanged but its not game until accounts have been shown and either the players get their money or someone makes a jail for not paying up after losing the game!  ;)

That past hanging, that's when Jack will be f**ked.

IF that does happen.

Thats when Ill allow myself to celebrate!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: MEP on June 20, 2011, 01:38:47 PM
Center of excellence will soon close. depending on who take over all fifa conference will stop....just to spite Jack.. What a sad day for Joe Public as well. No more free games for TnT national team , and money for foreign coach gone as well.


Man like you sufferin from ah serious case of helsinki syndrome.....
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socafan on June 20, 2011, 01:42:41 PM
Wow.....didn't really see this coming. Thought it would have been some long drawn out drama. Well yes. Now is Jacula himself all day every day in allyuh MC. Lord Fadah...

And Fifa drop all investigations presuming innocence? That sound like when you give yuh two week notice and gone so just in case yuh could come back later  :devil:


Look ting.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on June 20, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
(http://www.allfoursonline.com/images/hang%20jack.jpg)
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2011, 01:48:17 PM
AH REACH

Brownie say she winning in Bim

GOOD RIDDANCE

Agree wit JDB he got careless but I could care less d cancerous organ has been taken out but d cancer has been spread through out we entire football. But glad dat he gone.

Now on to May 31st and d books.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Babalawo on June 20, 2011, 01:51:13 PM
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 02:01:54 PM
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:

Unfortunately just the opposite!!

Now T&T taxpayers may be forced to pay for him giving up his FIFA sources of brown envelopes and world cup tickets for re-selling on the black market!!

Someone will have to pay for the short fall as Diamondtrim will need his regular supply of new silk suits!  ;)
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: supporter on June 20, 2011, 02:05:03 PM
This can either mean he has more time to 1. Continue raping our football, especially since it will be his main source of income now 2. Devote himself to turning around our football program for the better.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Dutty on June 20, 2011, 02:07:50 PM
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:

Unfortunately just the opposite!!

Now T&T taxpayers may be forced to pay for him giving up his FIFA sources of brown envelopes and world cup tickets for re-selling on the black market!!

Someone will have to pay for the short fall as Diamondtrim will need his regular supply of new silk suits!  ;)

ent!! dais de problem right dey...he 'fire' 3 jobs in one shot, so now he down to just 4 he have time to concentrate on taxpayers $$ as the main income source
Lamborghinis expensive to fill & does drink gas fass fass

weary, brownie on she honeymoon arready?....she faddah had a shotgun in de weddin or wha?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 02:10:26 PM
This can either mean he has more time to 1. Continue raping our football, especially since it will be his main source of income now 2. Devote himself to turning around our football program for the better.

A leopard cannot change its spots!! Don't be a dotish bobolee!  ???
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: supporter on June 20, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.

Your reasons may differ from mine, but I was surprised to catch myself there too, especially where national football development is concerned.

The  CFU still has voting power so I'm not that concerned for that right now. But with all the problems plaguing the game from Pro-league to youth football its really not the best time to have a leadership vaccum, and inevitable infighting in the country. Then again we have not had competent leadership for a long time.

Not to mention the lack of a new generation of competent, experienced administrators (no succession planning by TTFF), or even the possibility that Jack and Co. will continue to exert undue, destructive influnce on the development of the game.



You worried about a leadership vacuum? Our entire football program is a vacuum! Any change can be good...so long as that change doesnt mean Jack devotes his entire energy to raping our football some more.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: supporter on June 20, 2011, 02:13:59 PM
This can either mean he has more time to 1. Continue raping our football, especially since it will be his main source of income now 2. Devote himself to turning around our football program for the better.

A leopard cannot change its spots!! Don't be a dotish bobolee!  ???

Lol i didnt say that was the likely scenario...
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 02:20:25 PM


You worried about a leadership vacuum?

You actually think Jack will devote himself to making T&T football better?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
My rejoicing on hold for many reasons:

-As long as the present administration is in power in the TTFF then Jack is still calling the shots

-As long as the present administration is in power in government Jack still has the ability to be an obstructive, if not destructive force locally, be it in politics or in sport.

-A FIFA probe promised to be damaging to him on both fronts and likely would have effected his removal from government, although that was not guaranteed given how this PP gov't continues to carry on without shame.

- This is good news for us in the long term, but in the short term it hardly helps TnT football as nothing really has changed, certainly no change for the better.  Whatever development funds were sent our way, very little actually trickled down to those doing the "development"... expect even less now, because FIFA ent sending none.

- From a regional and international standpoint this is devastating for our football.  Anti-Jack sentiments run so deep that there very likely will be a strong backlash against us... particularly if a non-CFU CONCACAF President emerges.  Blazer has already demonstrated that he has no respect for the CFU, and a handful of our own members are complicit in perpetrating this thought that the entire CFU is corrupt and untrustworthy.  As a consequence, it is likely that things will revert to how they were before Warner when Caribbean football was paid short shrift by the Mexican and Central American dominated Confederation... except now you have the US in the mix.  Expect plumb assignments and tournaments to be steered away from the region towards the US and Mexico.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: royal on June 20, 2011, 02:35:33 PM
Jack plan this since the scandal broke.Remember he said early nothing last forever?it was the first time in over 30 yrs Jack said that.He also said in de earlies if this means it was time to give up FIFA and concentrate on Trinidad and Tobago,so be it.
  
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: kicker on June 20, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
Well, it would really force the TTFF to get its house in order

So we would like to think...
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: gawd on pitch on June 20, 2011, 02:51:12 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Me too.

Same here. I have a feeling this might put not only T&T but all of the CFU countries under a microscope. This is going to call for more FIFA policing on the administrators in the CFU. This has the potential of becoming an issue about the  "voting power" that the Caribbean has in FIFA. From what I understand, when it comes down to voting, the CFU countries usually vote together on any issue.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
My rejoicing on hold for many reasons:

-As long as the present administration is in power in the TTFF then Jack is still calling the shots

-As long as the present administration is in power in government Jack still has the ability to be an obstructive, if not destructive force locally, be it in politics or in sport.

-A FIFA probe promised to be damaging to him on both fronts and likely would have effected his removal from government, although that was not guaranteed given how this PP gov't continues to carry on without shame.

- This is good news for us in the long term, but in the short term it hardly helps TnT football as nothing really has changed, certainly no change for the better.  Whatever development funds were sent our way, very little actually trickled down to those doing the "development"... expect even less now, because FIFA ent sending none.

- From a regional and international standpoint this is devastating for our football.  Anti-Jack sentiments run so deep that there very likely will be a strong backlash against us... particularly if a non-CFU CONCACAF President emerges.  Blazer has already demonstrated that he has no respect for the CFU, and a handful of our own members are complicit in perpetrating this thought that the entire CFU is corrupt and untrustworthy.  As a consequence, it is likely that things will revert to how they were before Warner when Caribbean football was paid short shrift by the Mexican and Central American dominated Confederation... except now you have the US in the mix.  Expect plumb assignments and tournaments to be steered away from the region towards the US and Mexico.

 :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: In full agreement, but hopefully the CFU can find its collective balls and limit the impact of vindictiveness vis-a-vis it voting/veto power.

Priorities for a new TTFF have to include a complete a purge of the old guard all the way from the administrative core right down to the stadium security companies and grounds crews.  And they they have to recognize that the good old days of manipulating the world  are done and move to suit the new realities. We will probably have a more difficult time qualifying out of CONCACAF youth tournaments, far less opening  a World Cup against the host nation again.

They won't be able to make money in the same way or in the same quantities so a strong relationship with the business community must be pursued.

As far as the short term effect on the local games goes...it could turn out to be very long term depending on how long it takes to remove or retard the influence of JW and his cronies, how much of finacial strain will be caused by the TTFF's funding and accounting discrepancies, and how long before people who know what they are doing emerge from the mess.

Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Brownsugar on June 20, 2011, 03:10:45 PM
Well look bachanal here today!!!  I in Bim enjoying mih lil vacation (no Dutty ah not on mih honeymoon lawd fadder, Tallman yuh see what yuh start....  ::)) I walking in de people bus terminal in Bridgetown minding mih own business when de 12 pm news come on de radio announcing this thing.....well ah was done vex cuz mih phone eh roaming so no blackberry access (long story  ::)) and ah eh nowhere near ah internet connection so ah could log on here and palance....

Ah finally get ah hold of Weary (Patriot ah did call you too, yuh get mih message??)  and ah tell she to tell all yuh ah wining in Bim.....

Well since ah here in de flesh now....I might as well......

 :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :flamethrower: :applause: :applause: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:

Get out of T&T football now yuh nasty, tiefing, tie tongue vampire and take Scamps, Rodent and de rest with you!!!!

Call mih when all yuh ready to pack......ah goh do it for free!!!!.....
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: royal on June 20, 2011, 04:36:10 PM
Warner's departure poses more questions than answers


David Bond | 17:23 UK time, Monday, 20 June 2011

So what does Jack Warner's resignation tell us about Sepp Blatter's promise to make Fifa more transparent?

On the one hand few who have observed Fifa's lack of accountability will be sorry to see Warner go after 30 years at the top of Fifa.

The former vice-president has been at the centre of many corruption storms and it is no surprise that, facing an ethics investigation into claims he arranged to bribe members of the Caribbean Football Union on behalf of the former presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam, he chose to quit before he was pushed.

But in doing so he has denied football and Fifa the opportunity of a proper airing of the claims against him. In announcing his resignation on Monday, Fifa said all matters relating to the ethics committee investigation were closed with Warner presumed innocent (neat phrase, that).

This is Blatter's old Fifa at work. A deal done behind the scenes leaving us all wondering what really went on.

This is exactly what Blatter was promising to change when he was given another overwhelming vote of confidence by the football world in Zurich at the start of the month.

One Fifa member told me that he believed Warner's departure represented a "start". But I am not so sure.

What if Bin Hammam, the man accused of trying to buy votes with wads of dollar bills at an unofficial meeting in Trinidad last month, now also resigns? Will we ever hear the truth of what really went on?

What about Warner's promise of a tsunami? Did he ever really know anything about other Fifa members and has he now elected to keep his mouth shut to save his reputation and his political career back home?

What will now happen to all those Caribbean countries and officials who were paid the money and who are holding on to it? Will the investigation still go ahead?

Yes, Warner's departure from the executive committee of Fifa will do wonders to improve Fifa's image. But it still poses a lot of questions about the way Fifa operates.


   
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: ZionYouth on June 20, 2011, 04:38:53 PM
 :devil:de devil is gone  :beermug: :applause:
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 04:46:27 PM
:devil:de devil is gone  :beermug: :applause:

The best trick the Devil ever pulled off is to make folks believe he doh exist!!
Once Camps & the current TTFF administration is in place he is still able to control and strangle our football!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: D.H.W on June 20, 2011, 05:06:05 PM
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 05:11:41 PM
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office

Are you living in Chaguanas West?  ::)
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: scooby on June 20, 2011, 05:13:14 PM
trinis really dont know what they want jack gone finally and some having mixed doubt asking what will happen to we football and all kinds of nonsense, if you think that Jack spent his own money on TNT football then you must need you head examined, that money allocated to trinidad and toabgo football, where will our football be without jack well where are with him, at the bottom looking up with that i say be gone satan good bye adios so long and is only so long before they get you out of that big budget ministry
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Babalawo on June 20, 2011, 05:16:50 PM
Is he gone from Trinidad football too? :praying:

Unfortunately just the opposite!!

Now T&T taxpayers may be forced to pay for him giving up his FIFA sources of brown envelopes and world cup tickets for re-selling on the black market!!

Someone will have to pay for the short fall as Diamondtrim will need his regular supply of new silk suits!  ;)

ent!! dais de problem right dey...he 'fire' 3 jobs in one shot, so now he down to just 4 he have time to concentrate on taxpayers $$ as the main income source
Lamborghinis expensive to fill & does drink gas fass fass

weary, brownie on she honeymoon arready?....she faddah had a shotgun in de weddin or wha?


well his lawyer on Tv6 just say he's still head of the CFU and TTFF. steupssssssssss. With him idle i wont be suprise to see a govt scandal  down the road. calder hart x5
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 05:21:45 PM
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office

No way! He's actually appearing to do a very good job. His local PR machine is excellent. He only has 2 problems now. If Gibbs investigates and finds something incriminating, which while I feel that evidence could be found, I don't feel it will implicate Jack, and secondly, if the judge orders a forensic audit of TTFF & LOC accounts. This is more likely to bring his downfall. Regardless of whether TTFF settle with the players, the judge has certain evidence confirming that TTFF and LOC submitted inaccurate accounts twice to the courts. This means they either submitted a different set of accounts to the Inland Revenue or they also submitted innaccurate accounts. As I understand it, Camps is ultimately responsible for TTFF & LOC accounts, however, as Jack was head of LOC, he would have had to sign off on those accounts, and it was he that supplied the accounts to the players in a meeting. That will be a tough one to get out of.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 05:23:05 PM
According to FIFA, if he operates in any football overseen by FIFA, the investigation will re open!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: elan on June 20, 2011, 05:26:59 PM
trinis really dont know what they want jack gone finally and some having mixed doubt asking what will happen to we football and all kinds of nonsense, if you think that Jack spent his own money on TNT football then you must need you head examined, that money allocated to trinidad and toabgo football, where will our football be without jack well where are with him, at the bottom looking up with that i say be gone satan good bye adios so long and is only so long before they get you out of that big budget ministry

 :whistling:
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 20, 2011, 05:38:45 PM
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office

No way! He's actually appearing to do a very good job. His local PR machine is excellent. He only has 2 problems now. If Gibbs investigates and finds something incriminating, which while I feel that evidence could be found, I don't feel it will implicate Jack, and secondly, if the judge orders a forensic audit of TTFF & LOC accounts. This is more likely to bring his downfall. Regardless of whether TTFF settle with the players, the judge has certain evidence confirming that TTFF and LOC submitted inaccurate accounts twice to the courts. This means they either submitted a different set of accounts to the Inland Revenue or they also submitted innaccurate accounts. As I understand it, Camps is ultimately responsible for TTFF & LOC accounts, however, as Jack was head of LOC, he would have had to sign off on those accounts, and it was he that supplied the accounts to the players in a meeting. That will be a tough one to get out of.

I could be the PP downfall as well
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: mukumsplau on June 20, 2011, 05:41:19 PM
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2011, 05:51:06 PM
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...


 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2011, 05:52:44 PM
SCOBBY

Post of d decade.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: grskywalker on June 20, 2011, 05:52:52 PM
In the context of Trinidad and Tobago football, is this good or bad?

I originally thought the answer would have been easy but having thought it through, i still am not sure




No effect... we remain shite

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: diamondtrim on June 20, 2011, 06:11:49 PM
Greetings,

Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.

Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.

How ironic.

How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.

Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.

As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.

I need no convincing................
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: D.H.W on June 20, 2011, 06:13:59 PM
beginning of the end , next election he will be out of office

Are you living in Chaguanas West?  ::)

Arima  :devil:
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Bakes on June 20, 2011, 06:24:10 PM
trinis really dont know what they want jack gone finally and some having mixed doubt asking what will happen to we football and all kinds of nonsense, if you think that Jack spent his own money on TNT football then you must need you head examined, that money allocated to trinidad and toabgo football, where will our football be without jack well where are with him, at the bottom looking up with that i say be gone satan good bye adios so long and is only so long before they get you out of that big budget ministry

You have to be some kinda imps if you think anybody here really questioning Jack's removal/departure itself, rather than the means by which it was achieved.  The concerns for our football has less to do with Jack himself being gone and more to do with whom his successors would be under the current circumstances.  To question the misgivings is to betray a critical lack of analysis... but is Trinidadians we talking about here so that kinda redundant.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Deeks on June 20, 2011, 06:34:05 PM
Greetings,

Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.

Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.

How ironic.

How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.

Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.

As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.

I need no convincing................


Bro, we can't do any worse. We have been "showered" with Jack's financial blessings for years, and just look at the state we are in. Our national team is no where to be seen. Our 'pro-league" which produce most of the players is kind of here nor there. Our development program is not satisfactory. All Jack supporters don't even go to football. How come he can't convince them to support local football. He has been in football for over 30 years and yet half the pop. don't give 2 hoots about football.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: College on June 20, 2011, 06:38:10 PM
Greetings,

Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.

Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.

How ironic.

How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.

Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.

As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.

I need no convincing................


You like drama .. two three men expressed concern about our football in the Jackless future and yuh talking as if the majority of the forum holding they head and bawling because Jack "resign".  Jack is a boss...ent?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Savannah boy on June 20, 2011, 06:48:39 PM
Minus de bribe money, who going and bank roll we football now?  The Corporate Sponsors doh want to step up because dey eh want to put dey money in no black hole. As long as JW running tings in T&T, dat will not change. Countries getting their teams in order and we football still in crisis. I feel he get bribe out so as not to rat on dem in de tsunami dat he promise.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 20, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
Greetings,

Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.

Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.

How ironic.

How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.

Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.

As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.

I need no convincing................


Us 'hypocrites are glad that Jack is gone. But the manner of his retirement leaves sensible to people to ask where to next? Where are the brilliant young administrators that have been groomed to take over the reins? How will the TTFF handle the inevitable power shift at this critical time? There is no answer because Jack and friends never thought they would be unceremoniously turfed from FIFA.

Not to mention the question as to whether Jack will be offering any unilateral 'guidance' in the future. Your father has money to burn. We have to assume he will continue to manipulate the game with his dollars and his 'benevolence as you put it. You seem to think the handwringing is because Jack is gone. Its not, its because he's not gone far enough.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 20, 2011, 07:13:59 PM
Greetings,

Forgive my absence, albeit temporary in its nature, for I was engaged not only in research of potentially 'tsunamic' proportions, but also deeply entrenched in the pursuit of truth.

Knives have been sharpened and wielded, ready to be, painfully, and in some cases, blissfully, introduced to the apparent profligate Jack Warner. His resignation has now led to the retreat of the weapons to the safe repose of their scabbards. Not surprisingly, as the reality of a FIFA now far removed from Jack's influence, a CONCACAF now without his guidance, and perhaps even a TTFF and CFU without his benevolence, those of us who wielded the very weapons initially intended not to wound, but rather to sound the death knell of one our own, have now began to question the future of local football without their favorite target.

How ironic.

How ironic indeed. The man who evoked the strongest of ires in us, now has us pondering our footballing future. For those who believe that this future will be bright, there are as many, or even more, who would think the proverbial darkness will inevitably befall us.

Ahhhh Jack...my faith is not lost in you, your acumen or your propensity to rise like the phoenix.

As the hypocrites amongst us slowly crawl out of their holes to openly, and in hiding, question what they thought needed no enquiry, we all simultaneously await your next step.

I need no convincing................


Us 'hypocrites are glad that Jack is gone. But the manner of his retirement leaves sensible to people to ask where to next? Where are the brilliant young administrators that have been groomed to take over the reins? How will the TTFF handle the inevitable power shift at this critical time? There is no answer because Jack and friends never thought they would be unceremoniously turfed from FIFA.

Not to mention the question as to whether Jack will be offering any unilateral 'guidance' in the future. Your father has money to burn. We have to assume he will continue to manipulate the game with his dollars and his 'benevolence as you put it. You seem to think the handwringing is because Jack is gone. Its not, its because he's not gone far enough.

If Jack is gone anywhere for now its off his rocker but what does that meant?! Camps has been off his rocker for years now but he is still in charge of the TTFF!  ::)
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 20, 2011, 07:39:56 PM
Question:  "Where are the brilliant young administrators that have been groomed to take over the reins?"

Answer:  Daryll & Daryan Warner

Truth is, one of the biggest failings of Jack and TTFF is the failure to create a true football legacy to take over from them. However, in their defence, when you look at most FIFA delegates and most national FA leaders, most tend to be in their 60's, 70's or even 80's. Guess these people just don't want to let go of their power. But, as in politics, this trend will change eventually. Remember when the world was led by old people, but its quite common now for Presidents & Prime Ministers to be in their 40's or early 50's.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: jai john on June 20, 2011, 07:47:29 PM
Isn't Jack still adviser to the TTFF and so is business as usual ? or has he resigned this position ? has he also resigned his position in the east zone of the TTFF ? Finally can anyone tell me what has changed between yesterday when Jack said he eh so no reason to resign  ..and today ?
I just cant keep up wid de events in T&T . We used to be known as a 9 day wonder ...I think we now could safely say we are a two day wonder ....two days for manning ...two days for sacha ...2 days for warner ...i wonder who will be next ?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 20, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
De pack eh have no ace, who get rid of them?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: dreamer on June 20, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
Thank you Lord.  :praying:

Some miscellaneous thoughts:

1. Massive, massive piece of news! A veritable untouchable was Jackula, as was sincerely suggested by the likes of Coop's and others of that mindset, with Jackula in fact retreating from his most treasured power-job, painfully depriving himself of containers, cartons and potentially huge caches of brown envelopes of corrupting megamilliions of influence, because the campaign against him, he jess couldn't handle. What a ting! Folks here on the blog, ... take some credit please. Well done in teaching the doubters. Massive.
2. Understand too that unravelling the empire of a tyrant is not likely to happen overnight. So be patient in allowing Jackula and the little Jackulito Jrs to go dow in notches and not just in 1 big cataclysmic fall. It's sad in a way for some to watch such a pathetic retreat after all the robber talk of false bravado, but it just reinforces how important it is to go fuh de jugular when somebody must be removed and doh get distracted by the tactical responses.
3. Jackula is in BIG trouble and trust meh, he is in serious panic mode as he has nevah been on the defensive like this, when even more trouble is coming with the June 30th inquiry. He is praying to to escape this TTFF account books hearing by some technicality. No problem. The target must be Jackula and /or Scamps and /or Rodent. The first 2 is the big prize. Focus people. Jackula eh sleeping good. Wickedness coming to an end. A new day is possible for our ballers.
4. Yes the sons of Jackula are on the horizon but them is joke compared to Papa Jackula.
5. Scampito has been weakened. Now is the time. The timiing couldn't be better. Hoping for his resignation as the some of secret funds dry up would be the sweetest piece ah news dread.
6. TTFF will be forced to be a more  transparent, accountable, productive, less Godfaddah dependent, body.

More later. ... and stay tuned to all de events ... as plenty more about to happen people!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 20, 2011, 08:49:16 PM
A great day. Wow!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: dreamer on June 20, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
JACK QUITS FIFA
By ANDRE BAGOO
Tuesday, June 21 2011


http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,142575.html


A CASE of bribery against Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner will not be pursued in light of his resignation from world football governing body FIFA. His resignation, announced yesterday, left questions over what happened at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in May at a meeting of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) lingering.

In a statement issued yesterday, Warner insisted that his resignation was to spare FIFA as well as the CFU and Concacaf further acrimony and divisiveness. In a quick response, the United National Congress (UNC), of which he is chairman, has publicly offered its support for him. (SEE PAGE 5A). The UNC is the main political party that makes up the governing Peoples Partnership coalition government.

This decision is by my own volition and self-determination; albeit it comes during the sequel to the contentious Mohammed bin Hammam meeting in Port-of-Spain in May with CFU delegates, Warner said.

I am convinced and I am advised by counsel, that since my actions did not extend beyond facilitating the meeting that gave Mr bin Hammam an opportunity to pursue his aborted bid for the FIFA presidency, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.

I have, nonetheless, arrived at the decision to withdraw from FIFA affairs in order to spare FIFA, CONCACAF and in particular CFU and its membership, from further acrimony and divisiveness arising from this and related issues.

FIFA yesterday announced in a statement on its website that it has accepted the resignation and that the bribery allegations are dropped. As a consequence of Mr Warners self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed, FIFA said. The organisation made a point of stating that there were no findings against Warner, adding, the presumption of innocence is maintained.

FIFA regrets the turn of events that have led to Mr Warners decision. His resignation has been accepted by world footballs governing body, and his contribution to international football and to Caribbean football in particular and the CONCACAF confederation are appreciated and acknowledged, FIFA said.

Warner and fellow FIFA member Mohammed bin Hammam were among four persons suspended last month after they were accused of giving or offering bribes of TT$252,000 (US$40,000) to the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) at a May meeting at the Hyatt Hotel, Port-of-Spain. The total sum involved was $6.3 million (1 million) according to a report to the FIFA ethics committee.

Questioned at a media event at Mausica over whether he came to a deal with FIFA, Warner said, Mr Bagoo, you could say this is a deal. Whether I tell you so or not you will say what you have to say. I dont make deals. I dont make deals with FIFA.

By letter dated Friday, Warner tendered his resignation as FIFA vice-president, Concacaf president and CFU president. In his resignation letter to FIFA, which was quoted by US business channel Bloomberg yesterday, Warner pledged to cooperate with the investigations which will continue in relation to bin Hammam.

I reaffirm my offer of cooperation with the FIFA ethics committee in the resolution of the ongoing investigations into alleged irregularities pertaining to the recent visit of Mohammed bin Hammam to Port-of-Spain to meet with CFU delegates, Warner said

In an interview with Bloomberg, Warner said he had been hung out to dry and had lost the enthusiasm to carry on with holding his football portfolios. He accused the Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer of undermining him.

I have lost my enthusiasm to continue, Warner told Bloomberg. Ive been hung out to dry continually and Im not prepared to take that.

He added, Had we announced in Miami (the) Concacaf support for (Sepp) Blatter (in the FIFA presidential elections), all this would never have happened...The general secretary that I had employed, who worked with me for 21 years, with the assistance of elements of FIFA has sought to undermine me in ways that are unimaginable.

The timing of Warners resignation however drew negative inferences from some who noted that the committee will not be able to make a determination in relation to his case. Under Swiss association law, the FIFA ethics committee may only govern affiliated members, some argued.Warner began his day yesterday at about 8.30 am, privately visiting the site of the Marsicans Steel Orchestra at the Arima Old Road to inspect damage done by the Mausica River due to heavy rainfall. He later held a meeting at his ministerial offices at Richmond Street, Port-of- Spain, at noon with his attorney Om Lalla, spokesperson Hema Ramkissoon and Roy Augustus.

In an indication of his resolve to send a clear signal that he is now immersing himself completely in ministerial duties, Warner later called the media out to tour the same area again, four hours later. He initially declined to field questions on FIFA, referring all questions to his attorney Om Lalla. He later responded to questions, appearing sombre and reflective. Warner said he would not change his position of accepting only $1 of his $14,000 ministerial salary, a position he famously adopted after taking office.

That does not change, he said. Why should that change? He added, I have work to do here. I have come here to do that. I came to see about the problems of Arima.

Warners exit from FIFA goes someway towards solving a dilemma his dual posts have held for Government.

From the very beginning he was criticised for holding on to his FIFA vice-presidency in the face of a convention which holds that ministers give up private business affairs upon assuming public office. The Cabinet, on the strength of four legal opinions, opted to allow Warner to maintain both posts.

The recent finding of a case against him in relation to the May CFU meeting at the Hyatt, however, placed strains on the PP Government, dividing opinions in the Cabinet. Congress of the People MPsincluding deputy political leader Prakash Ramadharhad called on Warner to step aside pending the FIFA ethics committee hearing.

At the same time, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar stood by Warner, saying he was innocent until proven otherwise. But the risk of a finding adverse to Warner has loomed large. Until, now.

Warners attorney Om Lalla yesterday said FIFA, as a private organisation based at Switzerland, is under no obligation to comply with requests made by Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs for information over the incidents of May 10 to 11 at the Hyatt.

With my withdrawal from service in international football, I shall, henceforth, be concentrating exclusively on my lifelong commitment to the service of the people of Trinidad and Tobago, currently as chairman of the major party in our governing coalition and as a Cabinet Minister in the Government of our Republic, Warner added in his statement.I am gratified that FIFA has acknowledged my service to international and regional football over several decades.

Speaking with reporters on the allegations against him, Warner said all will soon be revealed.


Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2011, 10:16:33 PM
Perhaps now our football could chant:

"We will rise...we will rise....we will rise..."
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Preacher on June 20, 2011, 11:40:21 PM
Jacks farewell speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzJY96m3lkg

The look at 1.57 says it all.  U think Jack studying allyuh.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: davidephraim on June 20, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, to be honest.
Me too.

me three!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Spursy on June 21, 2011, 12:35:01 AM
jack gorner
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: davidephraim on June 21, 2011, 01:42:00 AM
Quite frankly my biggest concern is who will pay Pfister. There I said it. allyuh bring it out of meh. Yes like one said; when yuh dismantling an empire it does take time. In the interim as their is no legacy we are as good as doomed. Is it worth.. I'm sure somewhere in a utopian society I would say yes but as it stands in this world of scoundrels I dam well worried. I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Babalawo on June 21, 2011, 01:57:53 AM
I hear camps and shaun fuentes now working Cepep
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Flex on June 21, 2011, 05:28:47 AM
Warner: My new role is problems of T&T.
By: Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian).


Hours after an announcement was made yesterday of Jack Warners resignation as FIFA vice president, the Works and Transport Minister said he had no regrets whatsoever about the decision.

In fact, Warner pledged renewed commitment to the Government and the people of T&T, saying  he felt more revitalised than ever to work for this country.

Asked by members of the media if he had regrets about resigning his post as vice president of the world football body which he held for 30 years, Warner said: None whatsoever. Dont worry about me too much. Im okay.

My new role is in the Cabinet and the Peoples Partnership. My role is to look after the problems of the Government and the people of T&T. I always said if it comes to a choice between FIFA and country, Ill choose country.

Warner made the comment around 5.30 pm yesterday while checking out a collapsed wall at the side of the Marsicans Steel Orchestras panyard on the Arima Old Road. He initially refused to answer questions from the media about his resignation, referring journalists to his lawyer Om Lalla. I came here to see about this problem (the collapsed wall). That is my basic and most important role.

Only when pressed, did he give in. Warner dismissed demands for his resignation by Opposition leader Dr Keith Rowley as unsubstantiated calls from dying politicians who want to get a place in the sun.

He said Caribbean football would not suffer as a result of his resignation and suggested we wait and see who would replace him as  FIFA vice president. Lalla said FIFA had dropped all charges against Warner, who was accused to paying bribes to delegates at a Caribbean Football Union meeting to vote for former FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed bin Hammam.

He has been cleared, Lalla said. He added all footballing activities had been put to rest by Warner and he had moved on. He has come back with renewed spirit. There will be a lot of action on the political front now, the attorney promised.

Lalla said Warners resignation was separate and apart from FIFAs decision to vindicate him. He added: The investigation was an ongoing exercise and they have made a determination. They have made what we consider an appropriate decision. Lalla said he was not sure that Warner consulted with Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar before he resigned.

About Jack Warner

Jack Austin Warner was born in Rio Claro, South Trinidad, on January 26, 1943.   Warner, his three sisters and two brothers were almost single-handedly brought up by their mother, Stella, a simple, hard-working woman with a firm belief in God.

The young Warner attended the St Theresas Roman Catholic School, Rio Claro, and later when his parents moved to Longdenville in 1953, he was transferred to the primary school in the area.  Warner got a scholarship from Trinidad Clay Products to attend the College of St Phillips and St James which in 1958 was changed to Presentation College, Chaguanas.

He later attended the Mausica Teachers Training College and the University of the West Indies where he obtained his degree in history in 1967.  He became the TTFA secretary in 1973 where he stayed for the next 16 years until he tendered his resignation in 1990.

During that period, Warner became the strongman of football in the country. He also served as president of the Caribbean Football Union and special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and was re-elected as President of CONCACAF at the Congress in Antigua on May 9, 2004.

In the 2007 general election Warner contested the electoral constituency of Chaguanas West. He swept the polls with a landslide victory.  He tallied some 11,140 votes; with the nearest rival trailing with some 5,280.

Warner fought the election as one of the Deputy Leaders of the UNC, having won that position some two years before, in the internal elections of the party. He has so far, become one of the frontline speakers for the Government in Parliament.

Career history and accomplishments

  Teacher (history): Polytechnic Institute, Port-of-Spain 1970-1993;
  elected general secretary of the Caribbean Football Union in 1978;
  elected president of the Caribbean Football Union in 1983;
  elected president of CONCACAF in 1990;
  appointed special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Federation in 1990;
  vice president of FIFA in 1997; and,
  founded the Professional Football League in Trinidad and Tobago in 1999.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Sam on June 21, 2011, 06:03:12 AM
It good for de bitch....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 21, 2011, 06:22:00 AM
Caption This Guys....   :devil:

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 21, 2011, 06:26:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxJIJMUkAqw&feature=related

A Who seh Jack dun....  dey want tuh test d rocket launcher Jack.... ;D
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 06:48:00 AM
This man is a growing embarrassment to TnT...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/sports/soccer/jack-warner-fifa-and-concacaf-power-broker-resigns.html?ref=sports
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Brownsugar on June 21, 2011, 06:49:09 AM
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Boy yuh make mih morning!!!!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 06:52:35 AM
He has been cleared, Lalla said   Interesting that Mr Lalla is prepared to lie, or at least distort the truth in public. Jack has been cleared of nothing...he just bought his way out as usual.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2011, 08:24:12 AM
Quite frankly my biggest concern is who will pay Pfister. There I said it. allyuh bring it out of meh. Yes like one said; when yuh dismantling an empire it does take time. In the interim as their is no legacy we are as good as doomed. Is it worth.. I'm sure somewhere in a utopian society I would say yes but as it stands in this world of scoundrels I dam well worried. I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!

D same peeps who pay d Don and d fella wit d fro my tax dollars.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: KND2 on June 21, 2011, 08:27:57 AM
I did not realise That jack let this money pass in Trinidad.

As a govt minister you cannot be at the center of this type of drama.  You have to do that stuff outside trindad jurisdriction.

Let us see if kamla and them will kick him out or if his funding the party will protect him.


This may also be the end of the coalition govt.

They run on the platform of cleaning up corruption and look at what is going down.


All we need now is for the Sheik to make a public statement or some peons to start talking.


btw how did this money get into the Country

Did somebody take a bank withdrawal of that much US or did someone walk through the airport with money in a suitcase?


things getting more and more serious.....

" They cant hang my Jack"
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2011, 08:29:58 AM
Caption This Guys....   :devil:

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)

AT LAST - With Beyonce singing in the background.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2011, 08:33:17 AM
if jack even self watch at ah football i tellin...a live football a dead football football on sportsmax or football in sports & games i want u far far faaaaaaaaaaaaar from football...stay home and knock some PES..not FIFA eh...PES...


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Boy yuh make mih morning!!!!

Dat is d best quote I read I eh go lie.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: rotatopoti3 on June 21, 2011, 08:45:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGFMLdNrBQ

...Leave People Business alone and mind OWN!!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 09:50:28 AM
I did not realise That jack let this money pass in Trinidad.

As a govt minister you cannot be at the center of this type of drama.  You have to do that stuff outside trindad jurisdriction.

Let us see if kamla and them will kick him out or if his funding the party will protect him.


This may also be the end of the coalition govt.

They run on the platform of cleaning up corruption and look at what is going down.


All we need now is for the Sheik to make a public statement or some peons to start talking.


btw how did this money get into the Country

Did somebody take a bank withdrawal of that much US or did someone walk through the airport with money in a suitcase?


things getting more and more serious.....

" They cant hang my Jack"
 :rotfl:


Boy, KND boy, where you been? Check the topic on bin Hammam....all 21 pages!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 09:52:21 AM
Caption This Guys....   :devil:

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)

Its been a long, 30 year journey, but ah finally reached the place I was destined for.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 21, 2011, 10:07:36 AM
So wait  if  Bin Hammam is found guilty of bribery and also  CFU officials Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester  .. Warner can be expelled from  parliament i presume ...
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
Nope. Unless they specifically name Jack, he is not guilty by association. He can just say how disapointed he is in them and then give them jobs in Min of W&T.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 21, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
Nope. Unless they specifically name Jack, he is not guilty by association. He can just say how disapointed he is in them and then give them jobs in Min of W&T.

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on June 21, 2011, 10:50:17 AM
Caption This Guys....   :devil:

(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-06-21-3-1A_Jack_@_Mausica10.jpg)

"Ay!!, look de guard drop ah shilling oui, lemmih see how ah could snatch dat before lights out"
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 21, 2011, 11:02:56 AM
So wait  if  Bin Hammam is found guilty of bribery and also  CFU officials Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester  .. Warner can be expelled from  parliament i presume ...

Bribery within a private organization is only a violation of said organizations bylaws if so stated.  It is not a criminal act in any way shape or form within it's current context.  So if they are removed it will simply be a PR measure rather than removal for any breach of law or office of goverment in T&T.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: D.H.W on June 21, 2011, 12:19:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/EOkIzsWwL4o&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 21, 2011, 05:25:46 PM
Jack Warner to receive five-figure Fifa pension for life  

  Owen Gibson guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 21 June 2011 23.00 BST
 
Jack Warner could collect 23,000 a year into his 90s courtesy of Fifa's pension pot for former executive committee members. Jack Warner, the controversial former Fifa executive committee member who was at the heart of a corruption investigation until he resigned this week, is set to pick up a five-figure annual pension for life as a result of his decision to stand down.

According to Fifa's annual financial report, the world football governing body has accrued a pension pot of $16.8m (10.3m) to pay a pension to all long-serving members of its executive committee.

"The provisions cover the future costs of the pension plan for members of the Fifa executive committee," says a note to the accounts. "An annual pension payment will be made to all long-serving Fifa executive committee members retiring from 2005 onwards."

Warner, long embroiled in a range of corruption allegations but wielding huge power as president of Concacaf, easily meets the criterion of having served on the executive committee for more than eight years. The Trinidadian, suspended when Fifa announced an investigation into claims denied by him that he facilitated a meeting where Sepp Blatter's presidential challenger, Mohamed bin Hammam, allegedly offered $40,000 bribes to each of 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union, has served on the committee since 1983.

Under Fifa's rules, the pension will be paid for as many years as Warner has served on the executive committee meaning that the 68-year-old can expect to collect it until he is 96.

Under the formula used by Fifa to calculate the pension, it is believed that Warner's annual payment could be as much as 23,000 a year.

"As a consequence of Mr Warner's self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained," Fifa said on Monday.

Meanwhile, Bin Hammam intends to continue to fight the bribery allegations that plunged the election campaign, eventually won by Blatter as the only candidate, into controversy and farce.

The 62-year-old Qatari has told friends that he will not follow Jack Warner's example and resign from Fifa and escape the outcome of the investigation.

The independent investigation, headed by the former FBI chief Louis Freeh, has until mid-July to reach a verdict.

Warner has said he will co-operate with Fifa but not with Freeh's investigation. "I will die first. Not me. If Fifa wants me to co-operate I will do that but not with Freeh," he told Bloomberg.

"I'm not going to back a complaint made by an American and investigated by Americans and an attempt to put it on American soil because the complaint is from Miami. I don't back this farce."

Fifa also said on Tuesday there were "no pending issues" between Blatter and the secretary general, Jrme Valcke, who in a leaked email made public by Warner appeared to accuse Qatar of having "bought" the 2022 World Cup.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 05:31:02 PM
The British need to get a f**king life.  What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything?  steups
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 07:28:58 PM
The British need to get a f**king life.  What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything?  steups

Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.

Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.

From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 07:59:31 PM
The British need to get a f**king life.  What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything?  steups

Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.

Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.

From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.

It's a sick obsession... is what it is.   Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension.  Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other.  And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA.  You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner.  I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on June 21, 2011, 08:21:28 PM

It's a sick obsession... is what it is.   Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension.  Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other.  And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA.  You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner.  I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.

I kinda with you here... i was now studying what he pension have to do with anything and I don't find the amount is anywhere near obscene neither...

however i glad the british media obsessed... because them doing de wuk that the trini media fraid to do...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 08:27:21 PM
I kinda with you here... i was now studying what he pension have to do with anything and I don't find the amount is anywhere near obscene neither...

however i glad the british media obsessed... because them doing de wuk that the trini media fraid to do...

I don't disagree... but they achieved their objective, he's out of FIFA.  I am one of Jack's biggest critics but the way they hounding every little thing about him they almost threatening to turn him into a sympathetic figure.  They knew all this shit about him before they tried to buy his support and he ended up stabbing them in the back.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 21, 2011, 08:34:57 PM
FIFA release Jack Warner Q&A

Trinidad Guardian Published: Tue, 2011-06-21 16:09 

FIFA have released the following Q&A detailing some key issues surrounding vice president Jack Warner's resignation.

Q. How was Mr Warner's resignation notified to FIFA?

A. Through a letter to the FIFA ethics committee.

Q. Is Mr Warner's resignation with immediate effect?

A. Yes

Q. How does the resignation affect FIFA and CONCACAF? What will be the procedure to replace Mr Warner on the FIFA executive committee?

A. Please see article 30, paragraph seven of the FIFA statutes: "Any member of the executive committee who no longer exercises his official function shall be immediately replaced by the confederation or associations which appointed him for the remaining period of office."

For CONCACAF matters, please contact CONCACAF.

Q. Does Mr Warner's resignation mean he won't now be investigated by the FIFA ethics committee?

A. He will be investigated as a witness but not as an accused party. He has offered his support to the ethics committee in their continued investigation.

Q. Please could you expand on the reason(s) for the FIFA ethics committee procedures against Jack Warner being dropped?

A. Please see article one of the FIFA code of ethics which says "this code applies to all officials". According to Swiss association law, FIFA only has jurisdiction on its affiliated members. If a person leaves or resigns from an association, FIFA has no jurisdiction on that person anymore. Hence the ethics committee had legally no other option than to close the proceedings. However, should that person come back to football, the investigation would be automatically re-opened.

Q. Will FIFA examine Mr Warner's role in the affair, if as he says, he intends to continue to help FIFA with its inquiries?

A. Yes.

Q. Has he been offered some kind of immunity?

A. No.

Q. Could you also confirm whether any of the CFU countries could still face disciplinary action as a result of the FIFA ethics committee inquiry or whether that inquiry was just connected to the four people who were named as being under investigation?

A. Please note that the current investigation launched by the FIFA ethics committee is still ongoing. Should any violation of the FIFA code of ethics be established, appropriate decisions would then be taken.

Q. What's the status of [suspended AFC president Mohammed] Bin Hammam's appeal request?

A. Mr Bin Hammam's appeal against the provisional ban has been received. The case will be submitted to the FIFA appeal committee in due course.

Q. On May 29, the FIFA ethics committee stated that Mr Mohammed Bin Hammam and Mr Jack Warner would be initially suspended for 30 days. Will the investigation be extended, and for how long?

A. We also informed at that time that the provisional suspension could be extended for another 20-day period.

Q. Are the investigations completed in the case of Mr Bin Hammam and Mr Warner?

A. Please note that the current investigation launched by the FIFA ethics committee is still ongoing and the provisional suspension of Mr Bin Hammam is still in place. We cannot speculate on the outcome of the main procedures.

However, as mentioned in today's FIFA media release: "As a consequence of Mr Warner's self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained." However, Mr Warner will be heard as a witness.

Q. What does "the presumption of innocence is maintained" mean?

A. If a person was not found guilty and such a decision became final and binding, the presumption of innocence is maintained. This is a basic principle in law.

Q. Have you received the same resignation from Mr Bin Hammam?

A. No.

.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 09:22:15 PM
The British need to get a f**king life.  What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything?  steups

Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.

Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.

From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.

It's a sick obsession... is what it is.   Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension.  Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other.  And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA.  You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner.  I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.

Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 21, 2011, 09:30:34 PM
The British need to get a f**king life.  What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything?  steups

Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.

Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.

From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.

It's a sick obsession... is what it is.   Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension.  Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other.  And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA.  You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner.  I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.

Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.

When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on June 21, 2011, 09:37:29 PM
People who feel dis is hang jack wrong. If anyting he save it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 21, 2011, 09:58:29 PM
The British need to get a f**king life.  What does Jack Warner's FIFA pension have to do with anything?  steups

Well, some people may consider this a travesty. Imagine, if you will, that there was mitigating evidence against Warner and FIFA offered him a deal: resign and we will drop the investigation. Now in this imaginary scenario, this would mean that Warner is being rewarded to the tune of a possible 23,000 p.a. for being found guilty.

Now this is all supposition, but it would be typical of FIFA to do this.

From the viewpoint of transparency, FIFA should have continued their investigation. Whether the person under investigation resigns or not, if they believed an investigation was required, that investigation should continue.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out with bin Hammam still being investigated, along with the CFU members. However, as I have commented all along, I don't think there will be any evidence against Jack, unless someone specifically names him.

It's a sick obsession... is what it is.   Regardless as to whether Jack is guilty or not, that has nothing to do with his pension.  Unless FIFA has some policy which says "an ethical finding of guilt will result in forfeiture of pension" then the one one has nothing to do with the other.  And mind you, that would be the case within an transparent and ethical organization... let alone FIFA.  You know better than I that the British sporting media has a fixation with Jack Warner.  I am far from being some anglophobe, but to hear the British tell it their shit don't stink... just everyone else's.

Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.

When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

Nice work Holmes!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 10:07:33 PM
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.

Yes our understanding is certainly different and apparently YOU'RE not very clear... all the examples you cite are public or government positions.  Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime.  FIFA is a private organization and short of committing a crime... and unless provided for in the terms of employment, being accused of an ethical issue will normally not cost you your pension.  

You also fail to understand that FIFA has no jurisdiction over Jack Warner once he resigned.  They can go thru the motions and investigate but without having him there cooperating by answering questions it will be a waste of time.  Even if they DO investigate him and find him guilty of an ethical violation... what is the end result... banning him after he's already resigned? You're now claiming that this took place "in a public forum"... since when is a private meeting at a private hotel, by private parties equal a "public forum"?  You and others are on a mission to get Jack by any means necessary, no matter how you back away from it.  If that means a waste of public resources by Gibbs, or a waste of private resources by FIFA it doesn't matter to you... as long as they investigate.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 21, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 21, 2011, 11:21:41 PM
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.

Yes our understanding is certainly different and apparently YOU'RE not very clear... all the examples you cite are public or government positions.  Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime.  FIFA is a private organization and short of committing a crime... and unless provided for in the terms of employment, being accused of an ethical issue will normally not cost you your pension.  

You also fail to understand that FIFA has no jurisdiction over Jack Warner once he resigned.  They can go thru the motions and investigate but without having him there cooperating by answering questions it will be a waste of time.  Even if they DO investigate him and find him guilty of an ethical violation... what is the end result... banning him after he's already resigned? You're now claiming that this took place "in a public forum"... since when is a private meeting at a private hotel, by private parties equal a "public forum"?  You and others are on a mission to get Jack by any means necessary, no matter how you back away from it.  If that means a waste of public resources by Gibbs, or a waste of private resources by FIFA it doesn't matter to you... as long as they investigate.

You see, again mate, you're either misreading or choosing to twist words. Look above, I said "as this is in the public forum" in other words it is in the newspapers. I also said "in most major organisations AND THIS INCLUDES etc etc"

And silly old me believed that IF FIFA carried on investigating and IF FIFA found a criminal offence had taken place, they have a duty to report this to the relevent authorities along with any evidence. You see, in the real world, you cannot avoid the law just by saying I resign, otherwise I'm sure Madof would have thought of that little loophole. Now, in reality, its very unlikely that FIFA would have the balls to do this if they did find evidence.

Oh yes, and as for this comment of yours: "Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime." Maybe you haven't been keeping up, but Jack Warner is a public employee. Just because the alleged offence wasn't to do with his political role, its still counts my friend. Especially if he used his Ministerial position to steer people through customs with undeclared funds. I know this is no big deal to you, but to me its abuse of power. But I'm prepared to let this go on the understanding that next time you enter T&T you bring US$40,000 through Piarco without declaring it. After all, it don't matter, right?

And finally, Keith Rowley continually refers to the bribery as a crime. You may be right and he may be wrong, but after 2 weeks, not one lawyer, including Om Lalla, has said this is not a crime.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 22, 2011, 12:03:44 AM

You see, again mate, you're either misreading or choosing to twist words. Look above, I said "as this is in the public forum" in other words it is in the newspapers. I also said "in most major organisations AND THIS INCLUDES etc etc"1


And silly old me believed that IF FIFA carried on investigating and IF FIFA found a criminal offence had taken place, they have a duty to report this to the relevent authorities along with any evidence. 2You see, in the real world, you cannot avoid the law 3just by saying I resign, otherwise I'm sure Madof would have thought of that little loophole. Now, in reality, its very unlikely that FIFA would have the balls to do this if they did find evidence.

Oh yes, and as for this comment of yours: "Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime." Maybe you haven't been keeping up, but Jack Warner is a public employee. 4Just because the alleged offence wasn't to do with his political role, its still counts my friend. Especially if he used his Ministerial position to steer people through customs with undeclared funds.5 I know this is no big deal to you, but to me its abuse of power. But I'm prepared to let this go on the understanding that next time you enter T&T you bring US$40,000 through Piarco without declaring it. After all, it don't matter, right?

And finally, Keith Rowley continually refers to the bribery as a crime. You may be right and he may be wrong, but after 2 weeks, not one lawyer, including Om Lalla, has said this is not a crime.6

1Can you name some of these "major organizations"?  Because I get the distinct feeling that you're fishing here... not that you would have any way of knowing what the HR policies of "most major organizations" would be.  I can tell you though that to terminate an employee for a non-criminal offense would be perfectly legal.  To deny him his pension, on the basis of such... would be to invite litigation.  If in your experience you've personally seen this policies or experienced anything like this... then I stand to be corrected.

2 So you believe that FIFA should investigate, not for themselves (because it won't benefit them any), but in the oft chance that they can help the TnT police figure out if TnT laws were broken?  Righto.  Good luck with that one.

3  What "law" is Jack avoiding?  We're talking about Jack, right?  Because I don't want to wrongly accuse you of fixating on Jack.

4 Actually I am keeping up... better than you think.  You don't have to take my word for it, but again as explained before... bribery is not a crime, unless it applies to public employees acting in their public capacity.  But you already knew that is what I was referring to.  8)

5 Agreed... if he used his Ministerial office to assist in the commission of a crime.  However this forum is the only place I've heard this allegation (unless I missed something)... I'm curious though, if that were the case then why is Gibbs writing to FIFA and not asking questions of Customs?... how would FIFA know this?  At any rate, this is the first and only legitimate grounds you have raised (as I see it) with regards to Jack possibly having committed a crime.

6  I must have missed where Rowley referred to bribery as a crime... because it certainly isn't anywhere to be found in the laws of TnT (http://rgd.legalaffairs.gov.tt/Laws2/ToT.htm).  Contrary to what you may think, I'm not just talking out my ass here.  Ultimately I may be wrong... but I certainly haven't found anything yet to indicate that I am. 

Additionally Rowley is asking Gibbs to investigate if currency laws (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Rowley__Gibbs_must_probe_if_Jack_broke_laws-124242254.html) were broken... I haven't heard him specifically talk about the bribery allegations, whether it's a crime or whether Jack was involved... Rowley knows better than to expose himself like that.  Lalla hasn't specifically come out and say that bribery is not a crime because that would be a silly statement for him to make... it could easily be construed as him saying bribery is okay and implicate Warner by association ("my client has done nothing wrong, all they accuse him of is bribery... but bribery is not a crime").  What Lalla has said is that Gibbs can't investigate much (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/I_D_RATHER_DIE_FIRST-124327953.html#idc-container).

Quote
"Gibbs has done the best and only thing that he could do, which is to write to FIFA. He cannot really do anything else at this point," Lalla said

The implication is clear that (in his mind) Gibbs' hands are tied probably because  no laws were broken.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: davidephraim on June 22, 2011, 12:08:02 AM
Nope. Unless they specifically name Jack, he is not guilty by association. He can just say how disapointed he is in them and then give them jobs in Min of W&T.

OH Larrdddoooooo!  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 12:31:28 AM
Allyuh eh find that Jack look like a Calypsonian on the site Home page?!

Flex should also run a Caption that competition with that picture!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 22, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
I will try to find where I thought Rowley referred to bribery, but in the meantime on one of the other threads there is a news report in which they say Gibbs has written to FIFA requesting their files concerning the bribery allegations, so I assume that means bribery is illegal. If, as you say, bribery is not illegal in T&T, then I will accept your word, so if I give you some cash, perhaps we can forget all about this?  :rotfl:

Regarding pension rules, from what I can recall, dismissal due to serious misconduct including financial irregularities can result in your removal from a company or group pension scheme where the company has contributed. You are, however, entitled to a refund of your contributions. I certainly cannot state that this is a fact for every large organisation, though its my understanding that this is a fairly standard clause. As a financial adviser working with high net worth clients in the City of London and Canary Wharf areas, I had access to many of the largest employers pension schemes including banks, supermarkets, traders etc. I personally had two Deutche Bank Vice Presidents as clients. And, yes, you are correct, this is open to litigation, but this is usually attached to wrongful dismissal actions. I have never had a client sacked for a criminal offence so I cannot comment on the outcome of such an action.

But out of curiosity (and this is not to pick another fight with you) would you honestly attempt to bring a large amount of undeclared cash through customs?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 22, 2011, 01:06:33 AM
I will try to find where I thought Rowley referred to bribery, but in the meantime on one of the other threads there is a news report in which they say Gibbs has written to FIFA requesting their files concerning the bribery allegations, so I assume that means bribery is illegal. If, as you say, bribery is not illegal in T&T, then I will accept your word, so if I give you some cash, perhaps we can forget all about this?  :rotfl:

Regarding pension rules, from what I can recall, dismissal due to serious misconduct including financial irregularities can result in your removal from a company or group pension scheme where the company has contributed. You are, however, entitled to a refund of your contributions. I certainly cannot state that this is a fact for every large organisation, though its my understanding that this is a fairly standard clause. As a financial adviser working with high net worth clients in the City of London and Canary Wharf areas, I had access to many of the largest employers pension schemes including banks, supermarkets, traders etc. I personally had two Deutche Bank Vice Presidents as clients. And, yes, you are correct, this is open to litigation, but this is usually attached to wrongful dismissal actions. I have never had a client sacked for a criminal offence so I cannot comment on the outcome of such an action.

But out of curiosity (and this is not to pick another fight with you) would you honestly attempt to bring a large amount of undeclared cash through customs?

You don't have to worry about that... never mind the verbal sparring, I know is nutten personal  :beermug:

Would I try and bring cash thru Customs without declaring it... nah, no chance.  I wouldn't want to risk walking around with large sums, and if is some fly-by-night customs you never know who will want to "seize" it... even if you're bringing it thru legally.  If I knew it was against the law I definitely wouldn't chance it... unless I have somebody to call or something  ;D

As for the pension... I can definitely see removal as a possibility for a non-criminal offense.  But to essentially seize someone's pension after it's vested... and I don't know when Jack's would have vested, he's been an ExCo member for 21 years though... I don't know on what legal basis they can do it.  It's no different than going into your bank account and garnishing funds... you'd better be damn sure you know what you're doing.

As for Rowley... I read him mentioning the Exchange Control Act and the Customs Act as possibly being violated, I didn't see him say "investigate b/c bribery may have been commited".  Bribery laws are usually drawn very narrowly (such as is the case with public employees/officials), otherwise the net would be so wide as to ensnare a lot of "innocent" people.  Stop and think about it for a minute and it will make sense... any enticement the average Joe gives another to get something done... other than pure quid pro quo... can be construed as a bribe.  So for a legislator... what specific activities do you apply the law to?  What financial limits constitute a bribe?  What circumstances?

Not saying you specifically... but the public gets too much of it's education from TV/Hollywood, and a there are things we think are crimes that are not... and worse, things we take for granted that are actually criminal.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2011, 04:47:47 AM
I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!

Nah, nah, nah......I was always going Brazil boss so the new mantra is

I GOING BRAZIL!!!!


 :devil: :devil: ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2011, 04:58:02 AM
FIFA release Jack Warner Q&A

Trinidad Guardian Published: Tue, 2011-06-21 16:09 

FIFA have released the following Q&A detailing some key issues surrounding vice president Jack Warner's resignation.


Q. Does Mr Warner's resignation mean he won't now be investigated by the FIFA ethics committee?

A. He will be investigated as a witness but not as an accused party. He has offered his support to the ethics committee in their continued investigation.   ??? ???

Q. Please could you expand on the reason(s) for the FIFA ethics committee procedures against Jack Warner being dropped?

A. Please see article one of the FIFA code of ethics which says "this code applies to all officials". According to Swiss association law, FIFA only has jurisdiction on its affiliated members. If a person leaves or resigns from an association, FIFA has no jurisdiction on that person anymore. Hence the ethics committee had legally no other option than to close the proceedings. However, should that person come back to football, the investigation would be automatically re-opened.

Q. Will FIFA examine Mr Warner's role in the affair, if as he says, he intends to continue to help FIFA with its inquiries?

A. Yes.   ???

Q. Has he been offered some kind of immunity?

A. No.  Eh??  ???


Q. Are the investigations completed in the case of Mr Bin Hammam and Mr Warner?

A. Please note that the current investigation launched by the FIFA ethics committee is still ongoing and the provisional suspension of Mr Bin Hammam is still in place. We cannot speculate on the outcome of the main procedures.

However, as mentioned in today's FIFA media release: "As a consequence of Mr Warner's self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained." However, Mr Warner will be heard as a witness.

Q. What does "the presumption of innocence is maintained" mean?

A. If a person was not found guilty and such a decision became final and binding, the presumption of innocence is maintained. This is a basic principle in law.

Well ah understand this part....



I eh so bright sometimes, so anybody else confused??.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2011, 05:23:13 AM
Jack now FIFA 'witness' but refuses to meet with ex-FBI director
By Renuka Singh (Express).


I'D RATHER DIE FIRST

Works Minister Jack Warner said he would rather "die first" than meet with former Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) director Louis Freeh, who has been retained by FIFA to investigate allegations of bribery within the organisation.

Warner has refused to meet with the former director, citing his (Freeh's) American nationality and his possible link and friendship with fellow American and whistleblower Chuck Blazer. Warner blamed Blazer for the controversial allegations, saying he (Blazer) sought to undermine Warner's 30-year association with FIFA.

Warner said he would cooperate with the on-going investigations into bribery allegations against Qatari Mohamed bin Hammam and Caribbean Football Union's executive coordinator Jason Sylvester and assistant to the general secretary, Debbie Minguell, but would not meet with Freeh.

Om Lalla, Warner's local lawyer and "legal mouthpiece", yesterday confirmed that Warner was contacted by FIFA's ethics committee, but said Warner would not be attending the meeting.

"He has been contacted, but the hearing is at the end of June and Mr Warner would be unavailable to attend at this stage, " Lalla said in a telephone interview yesterday.

This was at odds with a media statement sent by FIFA yesterday, which confirmed that Warner was willing to "appear as a witness in the continuing ethics committee investigation into bribery claims".

The release said Warner would be investigated as a witness "but not as an accused party," adding that Warner "offered his support to the ethics committee".

After Warner resigned on Monday, FIFA released a statement saying that "as a consequence of Mr Warner's resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained". FIFA also said Warner would continue to be "involved as a witness in the continuing investigation into the allegations against Bin Hammam and the Caribbean associations".

When asked if Warner did not want to attend the meetings because of his refusal to meet with Freeh, Lalla would only say, "Mr Warner would not be meeting with anyone."

Lalla also dismissed the calls from the Opposition for Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs to pursue the local investigation into Warner's bribery allegations.

"Gibbs has done the best and only thing that he could do, which is to write to FIFA. He cannot really do anything else at this point," Lalla said.

A source yesterday revealed that Warner was asked to be in Zurich, Switzerland, from June 22 to 24, but told the ethics committee that he was unavailable on those dates and for the month of July.

"The committee can push back the hearing to accommodate Warner's schedule or can proceed with the hearing without his contribution. This move though could push the hearing outside of Warner's suspension and any extension that FIFA may impose though, so only FIFA knows what they are going to do after that," he said.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2011, 05:26:48 AM
Warner: CONCACAF needs to rally behind Austin
T&T Express Reports.


Jack Warner, who resigned on Monday as one of the most powerful figures in world football, has thrown his support behind embattled Barbadian Lisle Austin to head CONCACAF.

Austin was appointed acting president following Warner's suspension by FIFA's ethics committee earlier this month, but has been involved in a struggle to hold on to the reins of power in the strife-torn confederation.

As he departed football's stage on Monday, Warner affirmed Austin as the man to lead CONCACAF out of its current mire.

"It is my sincere hope that CONCACAF will achieve unity under its established statutes, beginning with formal recognition of Lisle Austin as acting president. We will only succeed if we are governed by rules and laws and not by grudges," Warner said in a statement.

"It is essential that all Caribbean nations and others within CONCACAF stand up to ensure that we preserve, in Mr. Austin, a strong voice for reform and for the interests of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU)."

In the face of continuing corruption allegations, Warner resigned as a vice-president of FIFA and as head of CONCACAF, the continental governing body for football in North, Central America and the Caribbean.

The development follows his suspension from both bodies as FIFA's ethics committee mounted a probe into allegations that he and former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam offered US$40,000 to Caribbean Football Union members at a meeting in Port of Spain last month in return for their votes in the FIFA presidential election on June 1.

Austin, a senior CONCACAF vice-president, assumed the role of acting president but was suspended after the majority of the executive committee met and decided he had violated the organisation's statues.

The matter subsequently headed to court with Austin receiving an injunction in the Bahamas to overturn the decision.

In a recent statement, FIFA said they recognised Honduran Alfredo Hawit as the rightful head of CONCACAF.

CMC
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2011, 05:38:49 AM
Transparency Institute not satisfied with FIFA approach
By Raphael John-Lall (Guardian).


The Trinidad and Tobago Transparency Institute (TTTI) regrets that world football governing body, FIFA has apparently closed the investigation into bribery allegations against Jack Warner without formally clearing his name.

TTTIs media release yesterday followed a statement from FIFA which said it had closed all investigations involving Warner after he declared that he had resigned from all international football positions he held.

Last month, Warner was suspended pending an investigation into claims that he and a FIFA presidential challenger Mohamed Bin Hammam had offered financial incentives to members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). On May 29, the FIFA Ethics Committee had stated that Warner and Hammam would be initially suspended for 30 days.

TTTI said that it was unsatisfactory that the reputation of a senior minister in the Trinidad and Tobago Government has been called into question by accusations reported extensively in the international media and that investigations have been ended without these accusations having been withdrawn or found false.

TTTI recommends that in the absence of any public withdrawal of the accusations, an independent investigation be undertaken with the objective of clearing the Ministers name as it is important that the Trinidad and Tobago Government not be seen with any form of corruption whether proven or implied.

The code of conduct of ministers and parliamentarians should be reviewed in the light of this matter so that the lessons learned be used to clarify and improve them. Other investigations still underway into whether the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been broken should be completed and appropriate action taken to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion, the release stated.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 22, 2011, 06:56:07 AM
I'm confused.com!!  "The committee can push back the hearing to accommodate Warner's schedule or can proceed with the hearing without his contribution. This move though could push the hearing outside of Warner's suspension" How can the suspension still be relevant if he's resigned? So why does it matter if Warner can't attend until August? Unless they are referring to bin Hammams suspension?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 06:59:29 AM
The code of conduct of ministers and parliamentarians should be reviewed in the light of this matter so that the lessons learned be used to clarify and improve them. Other investigations still underway into whether the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been broken should be completed and appropriate action taken to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion, the release stated.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2011, 07:32:57 AM
The code of conduct of ministers and parliamentarians should be reviewed in the light of this matter so that the lessons learned be used to clarify and improve them. Other investigations still underway into whether the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been broken should be completed and appropriate action taken to bring this matter to a satisfactory conclusion, the release stated.

 :beermug:

No need to change d code of ethics because is only Jack would have been allowed 2 keep dem 2 wuk in d 1st place.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: jai john on June 22, 2011, 07:34:52 AM
just a quick question to those legal minds out there ... if warner remains a member of any football grouping under the umbrella of FIFA can be not be investigated by FIFA ? Or is it that he is only to be investigated if he holds the position of vice president of Fifa and concacaf boss ?
Has he resigned his position as a member of the east zone of the TTFF ? any org. under the authority of the TTFF is under the authority of the parent body( FIFA) as far as my layman understanding goes ...correct me if I am wrong. he may have resigned from the east zone ...I am just asking ...
This question has implications for the any investigation that may require FIFA's help.
I am sure most folks would want closure on this matter and not just have it dismissed because warner resigned his big posts.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2011, 07:38:35 AM
I feel Brown Sugar will suffer the most in this debacle because ah don't think we goin Brasil anymore.. ;D ;D and so the mantra has died!

Nah, nah, nah......I was always going Brazil boss so the new mantra is

I GOING BRAZIL!!!!


 :devil: :devil: ;D

It was always wit or witout d socawarriors.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
just a quick question to those legal minds out there ... if warner remains a member of any football grouping under the umbrella of FIFA can be not be investigated by FIFA ? Or is it that he is only to be investigated if he holds the position of vice president of Fifa and concacaf boss ?
Has he resigned his position as a member of the east zone of the TTFF ? any org. under the authority of the TTFF is under the authority of the parent body( FIFA) as far as my layman understanding goes ...correct me if I am wrong. he may have resigned from the east zone ...I am just asking ...
This question has implications for the any investigation that may require FIFA's help.
I am sure most folks would want closure on this matter and not just have it dismissed because warner resigned his big posts.

Good questions that I am sure Warner is not going to answer if asked!

Another one is, Are you still officially Special Advisor to the TTFF?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 22, 2011, 08:00:23 AM
Requiem for a Heavyweight  

Posted Today at 09:29 AM by Bill Archer

The irony in all of this is so rich that it could easily be a retired schoolteacher from Trinidad who decided to get involved in football administration.

That's because the FIFA Soccer News Topics Ethics Committee - the same one which has just forced Jack Warner, The Pirate of the Caribbean, to quit international soccer forever - was originally established specifically to protect Warner from being punished for his many and varied nefarious deeds.


You will recall that in the aftermath of the 2006 World Cup, FIFA's own auditors presented evidence that Warner had used his official position to gobble up over 5000 prime tickets (which he still, to the best of anyones' knowledge, has never paid for), packaged them with overpriced airfare and hotel rooms through his Simpaul Travel agency and peddled them on the open market in direct violation of about a dozen very specific FIFA regulations.

The worlds' football media was in an uproar. Nobody knew for sure how much money he had cleared with this scam

but professional estimates started at US$ 5,000,000 and went up from there and, as was typical for Warner, the whole thing was so thinly veiled and grossly corrupt that even Sepp Blatter Soccer News Topics couldn't ignore it.

So in response to the torrent of complaints, Blatter announced the formation of a new "Ethics Committee" which would have virtually unlimited authority to look into abuses, rule violations and corrupt practices within FIFA.

Blatter touted this as the cure for all the foul misdeeds that people were accusing him of tolerating and the worlds' footballing media dutifully parroted the company line: "FIFA FInally Gets Serious About Ethics" was the theme of the day.

The thing that pretty much everyone failed to notice at the time was that the committees' investigative powers were, by statute, not retroactive. That is to say, nothing that happened prior to the establishment of the Ethics Committee in late 2006 could be considered, a clause which effectively closed the door on any and all of Jack Warners' kleptomaniacal acts.


Warner kept the money which FIFA knew he had illegally gained - the auditors' report was quite specific - and walked away with Blatters' blessing. When asked about the situation, Blatter blithely told reporters that Warner "has been forgiven".

So the Ethics Committee which was created in response to Jack Warners' ethical lapses was constitutionally prevented from investigating Jack Warners' ethics. A neat, slick, Sepp Blatterish trick if ever there was one.


Now for most of us the lesson we'd take away from having so narrowly dodged a bullet would be that we'd need to start being a lot more careful.

But in his case, Jack being Jack, the lesson he took away was that Sepp Blatter would find a way to cover for him no matter what he did. No reason to change a thing.

So when that Norwegian newspaper came up with documents last Fall proving that Warner had conspired to peddle hundreds of World Cup 2010 Soccer News Topics tickets on the black market, the news shouldn't have been as stunning as it was. Everyone scratched their heads and said "How on Earth can this guy be doing the same damn stuff he almost got nailed for back in 06?"

But the answer was really quite simple: he was Jack Warner, and he could get away with anything; Blatter had his back and, particularly in the middle of an election campaign, he could get away with anything.

Which is how we got to the T&T meeting.

Chuck Blazer, his oldest and closest ally for all those years, the man who had put him in office to begin with - even the idea of Warner running for President of CONCACAF as a replacement for an ancient, deaf Mexican guy, was originally Blazers' - warned him not to do it, telling him that it was stretching the rules farther than FIFA could ignore.

Jack didn't care. There was $350,000 worth of business for Simpaul, the travel agency which he told FIFA he no longer owns but which public papers reveal he most certainly does. There was probably some other cash as well. Maybe a lot of it. We'll never know for sure.

And Jack Warner knows as well as anyone that if FIFA has just one hard and fast rule it's that cash gifts are very specifically prohibited for any federation, at any time, for any reason. If someone flies into town and hands you a big sack of money and tells you it's for a soccer program for blind, deaf, mute, paraplegic orphans with AIDS, it doesn't matter. FIFA rules prohibit you from accepting it. You can't take cash. Ever.

Warner didn't care. When someone asked him what Blatter would say if he found out, Warner told him "He wouldn't care" and, based on his experience, he had every reason to believe that it was true.

How reckless it all seems now, how foolish. Teflon Jack, the guy who amassed a personal fortune estimated at US$100,000,000 on a schoolteachers' pension - he apparently clips coupons and reuses coffee filters - is brought down because of a lousy 40 grand being handed to some guy from the Bahamas who nobody had ever heard of.


Now he's claimingthat Sepp brought him down, that Chuck stabbed him in the back, that John Collins Soccer News Topics, the lawyer who had served as his widely feared hatchet man for lo these many years has turned on him and all of it is a power play by vengeful Americans who want to wrest control of CONCACAF away from the CFU and punish him for not getting them the World Cup and who the hell knows what else.

The truth is, I'm not entirely certain that Warner really knows, even now, what really happened; that Sepp put his own ass on the line back in 2006 when he should have been thrown to the wolves, that Blazer refused to throw his own career down the crapper where he was sure Warner had just sent his own.

Not this time.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 08:49:55 AM
Requiem for a Heavyweight  


That's the title for a David Rudder Tribute song right there!!

Come on Rudder, this is your territory and ah know you is the man to document this one properly in song!!  :P
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 09:29:26 AM
Warner: My new role is problems of T&T.
By: Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian).


A better heading would have been:

Warner: My new role is problems of T&T prisions.

 :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: KND2 on June 22, 2011, 09:35:45 AM
For some people is not the outcome of the hunt it is the thrill of the chase.

jack does things things not because of the result but rather for the thrill of getting away with it.

it is not rational thinking but rather an emotional impluse.

I dont see him stopping but rather trying the same thing with Trinidad money instead of FIFA money.

Jack wants to be the boss!

he want to do what he wants when he wants and how he wants and not answer to anyone.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on June 22, 2011, 10:14:08 AM
And I was just going to wonder out loud if this man doh get tired of being under investigation and living in the courts?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 22, 2011, 10:21:22 AM
And I was just going to wonder out loud if this man doh get tired of being under investigation and living in the courts?


that's a cabinet minister in the Trinidad and Tobago government yuh talking 'bout.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on June 22, 2011, 10:36:49 AM
from soccernet.com
Overwhelming' evidence of corruption

There is ''comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming'' evidence that FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam tried to bribe officials during his presidential campaign and that Jack Warner was ''an accessory to corruption'', according to a secret report by FIFA's ethics committee.


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Bin Hammam: Suspended by FIFA
Highlights from the report

FIFA announced on Monday that Warner had resigned as FIFA vice-president and quit all football activities, and the world governing body said they had dropped all investigations into him and that ''the presumption of innocence is maintained''.

But the full report of the ethics committee headed by Namibian judge Petrus Damaseb which provisionally suspended Warner and Bin Hammam on May 29 says there was ''prima facie'' evidence that bribes had been paid to officials to support Bin Hammam's campaign for the FIFA presidency, and that Warner had facilitated this.

The pair - two of the three most powerful men in world football - were suspended last month pending a full inquiry. Bin Hammam withdrew as a candidate against Sepp Blatter on the morning of his ethics committee hearing on May 29. Both he and Warner have consistently denied any wrongdoing.

The 17-page ethics committee document setting out their decision was faxed to Warner last week, on June 14, and three days later he informed FIFA he was resigning.

It concludes that there was ''compelling'' evidence that Bin Hammam and Warner arranged a special meeting of the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on May 10 and 11 in Trinidad and that, with their knowledge, cash gifts were handed over.

Statements from witnesses, described as ''credible and correspondent'' in the report, said they were handed brown envelopes each containing 40,000 US dollars. One of the witnesses, Fred Lunn from the Bahamas, photographed the cash before returning it.

Four witnesses stated that Warner told the CFU delegates on May 11 that the ''money for the 'gifts' allegedly distributed the day before had been apparently provided by Mr Bin Hammam'', the document states.

Warner's evidence to the May 29 hearing is described as ''mere self-serving declarations'' and that he ''failed to provide the FIFA ethics committee with a plausible explanation''.

The report states: ''The comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence permits to conclude prima facie that the accused [Warner] has initiated and arranged a special meeting of the CFU member associations for Mr Bin Hammam.

''Furthermore on the occasion of this meeting it seems Mr Bin Hammam offered, at least indirectly and under the pledge of secrecy, to each of the member associations an envelope containing USD 40,000.

''The FIFA ethics committee is of the primary opinion that the accused [Warner] had knowledge of the respective payments and condoned them.

''It seems quite likely that the accused [Warner] contributed himself to the relevant actions, thereby acting as an accessory to corruption.''

The report adds: ''The committee is also of the opinion that the respective money gifts can probably only be explained if they are associated with the FIFA presidential elections of 1 June 2011.

''Therefore it appears rather compelling to consider the actions of Mr Bin Hammam constitute prima facie an act of bribery, or at least an attempt to commit bribery.

''It appears prima facie impossible, in the opinion of the FIFA ethics committee, that the accused [Warner] could have considered the money distributed... as legally or ethically proper and without any connection to the upcoming FIFA presidential election.

''Consequently, the accused would at least be considered as an accessory to the aforementioned violations.''

The ethics committee report goes on to say that the facts ''eventually lead to the primary conclusion that Mr Bin Hammam appears to have intended to influence the voting behaviour of the CFU member associations on the occasion of the FIFA presidential elections in his favour.''

The revelations contained in the secret report have provoked a call for FIFA to re-open the case against Warner.

Damian Collins, the Tory MP who is campaigning for a reform of FIFA, said: ''This makes FIFA's claim that Jack Warner can be presumed innocent absolutely incredible. I believe Jack Warner should be made to answer these charges - it's not enough just for him to resign.

''This shows it was a big error of judgement by Sepp Blatter to call off the inquiry and cover this up.

''FIFA should also confirm that Mohamed Bin Hammam should not similarly be allowed to resign in return for having the investigation dropped.''

There have been reports that Warner is entitled to around 20,000 a year as pension from FIFA and Collins also called for the organisation to state that he is not eligible for such payments.

Bin Hammam said in a statement: ''There is nothing I can say more than I deny the allegations and insist that I have not done anything wrong during the special Congress at Trinidad.''
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2011, 11:26:53 AM
Nothing noble about Warners FIFA resignation
Caribbean360.com.


Former prime minister Patrick Manning has described as pure self-preservation, the decision by Austin Jack Warner to resign from posts in international football amid bribery allegations, and has insisted that Warner be removed as Works and Transport Minister.

Resigning was neither noble nor self-sacrificial, Manning said in a statement yesterday. He jumped before he was pushed.

The former Trinidad and Tobago leader made his comments a day after it was confirmed that Warner had stepped down as Vice President on the executive of world footballs governing body FIFA, President of CONCACAF and President of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

Warner said he reached his decision to withdraw from FIFA affairs in order to spare the organisation, CONCACAF and CFU and its membership, from further acrimony and divisiveness arising from the bribery allegations and other related issues.

With my withdrawal from service in international football I shall, henceforth, be concentrating exclusively on my lifelong commitment to the service of the people of Trinidad and Tobago, currently as Chairman of the major party in our governing coalition and as a Cabinet Minister in the Government of our Republic, he said.

But Manning suggested that if Warner had not resigned, FIFAs Ethics Committee would have pursued the charges against him and he may have been found guilty.

He would then have had to be fired from the CabinetHis resignation might therefore be construed as a confession of guilt. The whole world knows it. Nobody is being fooled. Warner is now stripped bare for all to see. He stands in naked disgrace before the entire international community, said the former prime minister in the last Peoples National Movement (PNM) administration.

Manning said Warner caused the twin-island republic to be humiliated, but yet continues to hang onto office, carelessly eroding T&Ts hard-earned global reputation.

It is selfishness of the most abominable kind, he said. Jack Warner has brought shame and ignominy to Trinidad and Tobago. For this violation of the innocent citizens of our country, the Prime Minister Mrs Kamla Persad-Bissessar has a moral duty to remove him forthwith from the Cabinet. Jack Warner must go. Enough is enough. Trinidad and Tobago must now stand up.

I intend to suggest a certain move to the Parliamentary caucus of the PNM to deal, in Trinidad and Tobago's Parliament, with the behaviour of Jack Warner. I wish to go even further because we must completely distance ourselves from the FIFA culture of cronyism and corruption, he continued.

Following Warners resignation, FIFA said that all Ethics Committee procedures against him in relation to the bribery allegations have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained.

Warner had been suspended, along with Asian federation chief Mohamed bin Hammam and two CFU, pending the probe.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
Exclusive: Warner feared for political career in Trinidad if FIFA had found him guilty
By Andrew Warshaw (insideworldfootball).


Jack Warner resigned from FIFA for fear of being banned for life and having his political career wrecked in the process, according to reliable sources close to world football's biggest ever bribery scandal.

As the former FIFA vice-president continued to maintain his innocence, highly placed sources have also told insideworldfootball that under Swiss law, the charges against Warner had to be dropped once he no longer had any involvement in footballing matters.

Twenty-four hours after Warner threw in the towel with the net closing in around him, it emerged that he would not have been able to maintain his powerful position in Caribbean politics with the case against him strengthening.

Warner, who was one of football's most powerful administrators, is Minister of Works and Transport in Trinidad and Tobago and apparently decided as early as last Friday (June 17) to resign from FIFA after receiving the 17-page "reasoned decision" of the Ethics Committee.

He had already been suspended by the Committee, the same sanction meted out to Asian Football Confederation President Mohamed Bin Hammam with whom Warner is claimed to have colluded in offering $40,000 (24,000) cash bungs to 25 Caribbean member nations.

"The Ethics Committee made it clear Warner was going to lose by detailing violations of the Code of Ethics," said one informed source who has been involved in the case from the start.

"They went into every detail.

"Our understanding is that Warner actually submitted his resignation on Friday just after receiving the reasoned decision.

"Warner knew there would have been a very clear and concise guilty verdict at the end of the process.

"That would have caused him to be thrown out of Government."

As the worst bribes-for-votes crisis in FIFA's history intensified, Warner, who will now be replaced as President of CONCACAF, said he would be prepared to die rather than meet with former FBI Director Louis Freeh, the man charged by the Ethics Committee with leading the full investigation.

Warner said he would be willing to help FIFA but would not speak to Freeh because of his ties to the United States from where Chuck Blazer (pictured above right with Warner and Blatter), the CONCACAF general secretary who blew the whistle on Warner, also hails.

Blazer had asked Chicago-based lawyer John Collins, also from the US, to compile the initial report detailing the allegations against Bin Hammam and Warner.

"I will die first," Warner told Bloomberg.

"If FIFA wants me to cooperate I will do that but not with Freeh."

Warner quit saying he had felt undermined by officials within FIFA, not least Blazer with whom he has not spoken for over a month.

He claimed he had been "hung out to dry" following the infamous meeting he had organised for bin Hammam in Trinidad on May 10-11, ostensibly so that the Qatari could lobby for votes against Sepp Blatter for FIFA President.

But that was not the version given to insideworldfootball.

"The Ethics Committee clearly knew the Trinidad meeting was a set-up," said the afore-mentioned source.

With the bribery case against him still ongoing, Bin Hammam is understood to be digging in his heels rather than follow in footsteps of his alleged partner in crime even though FIFA dropped all charges against Warner, a move that came as a surprise to the organisation's inner sanctum.

FIFA imposed a virtual news blackout following their initial statement but one high-ranking administrator told insideworldfootball: "Apparently under Swiss law, technically FIFA no longer have jurisdiction in terms of disciplining Warner.

"That may be true but the case against him should have been concluded.

"To turn around and say they can't do it just because Warner is not a member any more is not in the interests of FIFA or the public.

"Maybe Warner giving evidence against Bin Hammam was part of the deal."

(http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/images/stories/Sepp_Blatter_with_Jack_Warner_and_Sepp_Blatter.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 22, 2011, 11:39:57 AM
he resign and dey still do the report and the world knows now the report found him GUILTY but who cares in Trinidad is business and usual for the cabinet minister.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2011, 11:42:17 AM
he resign and dey still do the report and the world knows now the report found him GUILTY but who cares in Trinidad is business and usual for the cabinet minister.

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 22, 2011, 12:57:24 PM
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.

 ??? ???
Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on June 22, 2011, 02:13:44 PM
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.

 ??? ???
Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinimassive on June 22, 2011, 02:36:19 PM
he resign and dey still do the report and the world knows now the report found him GUILTY but who cares in Trinidad is business and usual for the cabinet minister.

No report was needed. Warner himself admitted what he did. He said that is the way FIFA does business. Yuh think is coincidence Trinidad host all dem football  tourmaments, the Center of Excellence was built, everything fone involved "favours," sometime money pass, tournaments awarded, gifts given.
He ent do nothing out of the ordinary way FIFA do business, the mistake he make was not being with the right "friends" on this one. He back the wrong side.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 22, 2011, 02:59:41 PM
Apparently Jackula release a statement concerning today's allegations in the international press. As I am receiving this second hand I cannot confirm its authenticity:

Wednesday 22nd June 2011.

For Immediate Release

STATEMENT BY JACK WARNER

THE CIRCULATION OF A DOCUMENT PURPORTING

TO BE THE DECISION OF THE FIFA ETHICS COMMITTEE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY CONSIDERING CHARGES OF BID-RIGGING IN FIFA'S RECENT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

 

It has come to my attention that an anonymous source is circulating to selected international media, a document dated June 17 purporting to be the FIFA's Ethics Committee "decision" into its ongoing investigation of alleged bid-rigging in the run up to the recent FIFA presidential election. I have been reliably informed that the purported "decision" document was neither released by nor was its circulation authorized by FIFA. As far as I have been able to establish, the purported FIFA Ethics Committee report which is being scurrilously circulated is merely a summary of the considerations on which the FIFA Ethics Committee decided on provisional suspensions and its call for a full hearing involving the subjects of the allegations on bid rigging.

It is instructive to note that the investigation into these allegations is still ongoing and therefore any suggestion that the report being circulated is the final conclusion of the FIFA Ethics Committee is both misleading and false. Everyone must therefore be well aware that this document is not the Ethics Committee Final Report.

In accordance with due process, the Secretariat of the FIFA Ethics Committee dispatched four copies of the conclusions of the preliminary investigation into FIFA bid-rigging, which took place on the end of May, directly to me. I am advised that one copy was sent to me by fax (which copy I am yet to receive), one by courier, DHL, one to my lawyer, with the fourth, being sent to me in care of CONCACAF office in New York. The copies sent to me and my attorney could not possibly have been accessed by any scurrilous party bent on the malice manifestly intended in the anonymous leaks to the media in an investigation that is still ongoing.

I can only therefore conclude that this development is part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion which has made the Caribbean Football Union a factor to be reckoned with in FIFA affairs; and thus diminish CFU's significance in various areas of FIFA decision making.

Yesterday, in announcing my self determined resignation from the positions I held in world football, FIFA confirmed that its Ethics Committee procedures of which I was a subject had been discontinued.

In its statement, FIFA took pains to emphasize that the presumption of my innocence is maintained.

It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who are not only pathologically mendacious, but in the face of FIFA's stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no length to destroy my legacy and destabilize the Caribbean region whose interests I have always vigorously advocated.

Despite the attacks of division neither the Caribbean nor I will allow all that we stand for to be destroyed.

I expect that these vicious attacks will continue but I will confront them head on every time they arise. Let me once again reiterate for the sake  of those with hidden agendas; I, Jack Warner did not partake in the distribution of any cash gifts to my members.

I hope for the good of the game ,good sense will prevail or at least I will continue to live in hope.

Regards
Jack Warner
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 04:39:02 PM
Interesting but hasn't Jack already stated that this is the normal way that FIFA does business?

Why is he now trying to deny that he was involved in distribution of the cash!

So who facilitated the meeting then? Is JW now trying to have us believe that he was unaware of what was going down?  ::)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 22, 2011, 04:43:54 PM
^^^^^
When I first read it I had to stop halfway, I was laughing too hard to continue.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 22, 2011, 04:51:41 PM
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.

 ??? ???
Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.

Still don't make sense, because at the time I believe that JW was not "part of Simpauls" if I remember correctly. His son and wife(?) Maureen was name to the Simpaul company. Therefore, technically JW had nothing to do with that, solidfied by FIFA charging the son and not Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on June 22, 2011, 04:53:48 PM
Interesting but hasn't Jack already stated that this is the normal way that FIFA does business?

Why is he now trying to deny that he was involved in distribution of the cash!

So who facilitated the meeting then? Is JW now trying to have us believe that he was unaware of what was going down?  ::)

A practice which is specifically prohibited by FIFA regulations by the way.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 22, 2011, 07:12:53 PM
"Four witnesses stated that Warner told the CFU delegates on May 11 that the ''money for the 'gifts' allegedly distributed the day before had been apparently provided by Mr Bin Hammam'', the document states."

JACK:  "Let me once again reiterate for the sake  of those with hidden agendas; I, Jack Warner did not partake in the distribution of any cash gifts to my members."

Note the language....he did not partake in the distribution. This is not the same as saying "I knew nothing about it."

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on June 22, 2011, 07:29:06 PM
Again, we seem to have totally opposing views (and clear understanding of the subject). In most major organisations a dismissal for financial irregularities would usually mean loss of all benefits. This includes in Britain, MP's, civil servents (including police) judges etc. You never heard of the armed services court marshalling someone and they lose their pension? Again, and I'm getting real tired of this now, I never said Warner was guilty of anything. However I do believe that usual practices are not being followed. A) I still maintain a financial crime may have been comitted in T&T and as this is in the public forum there should be an investigation and if need be, people should be charged, b) FIFA began an investigation and regardless of anyone resigning, it should continue investigating all parties it originally deemed worthy of such an investigation.

Yes our understanding is certainly different and apparently YOU'RE not very clear... all the examples you cite are public or government positions.  Being accused of bribery or financial impropriety is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE when you're a public employee... this was explained to you two weeks ago when you didn't even know that bribery was not a crime.  FIFA is a private organization and short of committing a crime... and unless provided for in the terms of employment, being accused of an ethical issue will normally not cost you your pension.  

You also fail to understand that FIFA has no jurisdiction over Jack Warner once he resigned.  They can go thru the motions and investigate but without having him there cooperating by answering questions it will be a waste of time.  Even if they DO investigate him and find him guilty of an ethical violation... what is the end result... banning him after he's already resigned? You're now claiming that this took place "in a public forum"... since when is a private meeting at a private hotel, by private parties equal a "public forum"?  You and others are on a mission to get Jack by any means necessary, no matter how you back away from it.  If that means a waste of public resources by Gibbs, or a waste of private resources by FIFA it doesn't matter to you... as long as they investigate.
        Aye alyu Coops is back !!!!!! nice post Bakes :applause: ,i'm so glad you are able to respond to these guys without getting annoyed,it's really frustrating when i read some of these posts,i'm sorry i had to take a break and missed out on what has been going on,i'm still laughing at those who insist the Jack should be destroyed,don't say i didn't tell you all but keep up the good fight. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 22, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Aye welcome back Coop's!!  ;D

I was genuinely worried!!  :whew:

Btw Coop's didn't I tell you that the longest rope has an end?!

But don't worry we are not quite at the end just yet, I want to see if you are correct about those TTFF 2006 World Cup accounts never being show and if your boy is prepared to interfere with the affairs of the TTFF for FIFA to have a reason to re-open bribery investigations!!  8)

Ah man here already say if JW only look at a football, he tellin'!  >:(

You need to read back some ah them sweet posts yuh miss since yuh been hiding and waiting for Jack's tsunami!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on June 23, 2011, 06:25:57 AM
Aye welcome back Coop's!!  ;D

I was genuinely worried!!  :whew:

Btw Coop's didn't I tell you that the longest rope has an end?!

But don't worry we are not quite at the end just yet, I want to see if you are correct about those TTFF 2006 World Cup accounts never being show and if your boy is prepared to interfere with the affairs of the TTFF for FIFA to have a reason to re-open bribery investigations!!  8)

Ah man here already say if JW only look at a football, he tellin'!  >:(

You need to read back some ah them sweet posts yuh miss since yuh been hiding and waiting for Jack's tsunami!  ;)
        Thanks for welcoming me back with open arms,you makeing me  :rotfl: you know the Coops don't hide from nobody,i have nothing to hide,i must say i missed you all because my days away was never the same,i know i have a lot of catching up to do but i'm not worried,i like how my boy Bakes explaining things,is just that there are peeps who still think regardless of what Jack must be wiped off the face of the earth,again i understand everybody's feelings on the various issues,don't be agaisnt me because of my views.       
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: TdotTrini on June 23, 2011, 08:43:15 AM
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/martynziegler/~GYtgM

Martyn Ziegler

WARNER RESIGNATION 'SAME RESULT AS A BAN' - ETHICS COMMITTEE MEMBER
By Martyn Ziegler, Chief Reporter, Press Association Sport
One of the members of FIFA's ethics committee insists the consequences for Jack Warner are the same as if he had been convicted of corruption - that he is out of football.
A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association yesterday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, was "an accessory to corruption".
There was anger after FIFA then dropped the bribery investigation against him and said the 68-year-old is "presumed innocent" but Sondre Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban.
Kaafjord, one of the five-man panel who provisionally suspended Warner and fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam on bribery charges last month, told Press Association Sport: "The result is the same as if he had been banned by us - he's out of football. If we had sentenced him or banned him the result would have been just the same.
"If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be re-opened immediately."
Kaafjord, who until last year was the president of the Norway Football Federation, said FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quit - but confirmed the ethics committee's report's conclusions and said the Trinidadian had agreed to be a witness in the on-going case against Bin Hammam.
Both Bin Hammam and Warner have consistently denied any wrongdoing.
Kaafjord added: "We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days. It means that there was a probability that he was guilty.
"But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent. That is a basic principle of law.
"We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law - if he is not any more a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.
"But the investigation will continue because Mr Bin Hammam is part of the same case and Mr Warner has said he will be a witness in the Bin Hammam case."
The ethics committee report says there is compelling evidence that Bin Hammam paid money to delegates of the Caribbean Football Union while he was campaigning for the FIFA presidency, and that Warner facilitated these payments.
Kaafjord added: "The question is about what happened in Trinidad on May 10 and 11, what was going on there. They were accused of having giving envelopes with dollars to participants."
He also confirmed that any officials who received the cash gifts - of 40,000 US dollars per association, according to the report - could also face disciplinary action.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 23, 2011, 09:24:46 AM
Aye welcome back Coop's!!  ;D

I was genuinely worried!!  :whew:

Btw Coop's didn't I tell you that the longest rope has an end?!

But don't worry we are not quite at the end just yet, I want to see if you are correct about those TTFF 2006 World Cup accounts never being show and if your boy is prepared to interfere with the affairs of the TTFF for FIFA to have a reason to re-open bribery investigations!!  8)

Ah man here already say if JW only look at a football, he tellin'!  >:(

You need to read back some ah them sweet posts yuh miss since yuh been hiding and waiting for Jack's tsunami!  ;)
        Thanks for welcoming me back with open arms,you makeing me  :rotfl: you know the Coops don't hide from nobody,i have nothing to hide,i must say i missed you all because my days away was never the same,i know i have a lot of catching up to do but i'm not worried,i like how my boy Bakes explaining things,is just that there are peeps who still think regardless of what Jack must be wiped off the face of the earth,again i understand everybody's feelings on the various issues,don't be agaisnt me because of my views.       


We love you Coop's as you have contributed to our football history on & off the field!  :-*
But we don't love how yuh always ready to defend Jack despite all the evidence of how he has strangled the development of local football over the years!!  :-[
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 23, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/martynziegler/~GYtgM

Martyn Ziegler

WARNER RESIGNATION 'SAME RESULT AS A BAN' - ETHICS COMMITTEE MEMBER
By Martyn Ziegler, Chief Reporter, Press Association Sport
One of the members of FIFA's ethics committee insists the consequences for Jack Warner are the same as if he had been convicted of corruption - that he is out of football.
A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association yesterday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, was "an accessory to corruption".
There was anger after FIFA then dropped the bribery investigation against him and said the 68-year-old is "presumed innocent" but Sondre Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban.
Kaafjord, one of the five-man panel who provisionally suspended Warner and fellow FIFA member Mohamed Bin Hammam on bribery charges last month, told Press Association Sport: "The result is the same as if he had been banned by us - he's out of football. If we had sentenced him or banned him the result would have been just the same.
"If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be re-opened immediately."
Kaafjord, who until last year was the president of the Norway Football Federation, said FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quit - but confirmed the ethics committee's report's conclusions and said the Trinidadian had agreed to be a witness in the on-going case against Bin Hammam.
Both Bin Hammam and Warner have consistently denied any wrongdoing.
Kaafjord added: "We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days. It means that there was a probability that he was guilty.
"But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent. That is a basic principle of law.
"We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law - if he is not any more a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.
"But the investigation will continue because Mr Bin Hammam is part of the same case and Mr Warner has said he will be a witness in the Bin Hammam case."
The ethics committee report says there is compelling evidence that Bin Hammam paid money to delegates of the Caribbean Football Union while he was campaigning for the FIFA presidency, and that Warner facilitated these payments.
Kaafjord added: "The question is about what happened in Trinidad on May 10 and 11, what was going on there. They were accused of having giving envelopes with dollars to participants."
He also confirmed that any officials who received the cash gifts - of 40,000 US dollars per association, according to the report - could also face disciplinary action.





I hope them CFU delegates who accepted cash gifts realise they better send it back fast or risk ending up like JW!! 8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 23, 2011, 11:25:39 AM
Ah feel a song coming on (Wothless rythem)....

Ah winning down they, ah feeling so niiicce... sooo nice...... so nice...
Ah winning down they, ah feeling so niiicce... sooo nice...... so nice...

Ah just feeeeel like....
Jack just get bull by FIFA for ah million dollars...
They want to talk, let them talk.
They want to fart, let them fart....
They want to belch, let them belch...
Wop, whap, wha them they....

I saaaaaay,
Right now ah just wothless and FIFA moving breathless...
Now Jack cant beat-up he chest.....
And he fear he get ah-rest.....
He get fired by text..
I saaay....

Right now we just wothless....
We have no more flickin pest....
We footballers them go get ah rest...
And we go finally see de best.....

Jack say that he dont get pay.....
And how he want to stay....
As minister of weh country....
But when he done with weh...
He go kill we country....
...Countray...
.....Contrray....

I ssaaayy.....
Right now we just wothless....
We finally get ride of de pest....
He put FIFA in ah mess...
But now we country will get bless.....

FIFA pay him millions.....
To reeeeesign...
reeeeesign....
reeeeesign....

He not out of de woods...
He get to greedy....
Now is time...
To see Jack behind bars....
We beg de Warriors...
To dont settle de case....
De case....
De case...
Just go for de kill...
And put him behind bars, behind bars...

I saaayy....
Right now we just wothless....
We finally get ride of de pest....
He put FIFA in ah mess...
But now we country will get bless.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on June 23, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.

 ??? ???
Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.

Still don't make sense, because at the time I believe that JW was not "part of Simpauls" if I remember correctly. His son and wife(?) Maureen was name to the Simpaul company. Therefore, technically JW had nothing to do with that, solidfied by FIFA charging the son and not Warner.
Now you confusing me. At what time you talking about? I was talking about his recent suspension and resignation in a follow up to your question about why suspend him and then he resigns... You seem to be confusing that with your previous Simpauls question which I was not dealing with.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Socapro on June 23, 2011, 12:07:48 PM
(http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/images/stories/Sepp_Blatter_with_Jack_Warner_and_Sepp_Blatter.jpg)

Would love to be a fly on the wall if we can put Jack, Chuck & Jennings in the same room right now with Jennings with a mic in his hand seeking interviews with both Jack & Chuck about bribes & corruption!  :P
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 23, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
When they charge Warner son (ticket or leave it, for those who forgot) was he a part of FIFA? So how come now that JW resign they cannot investigate him? How in one instance they can investigate and charge someone not invovled in FIFA, but on the other hand they cannot.  :bs:

That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.

 ??? ???
Then why suspend him and then he resign and cause all that bachanal if they have no leverage?
Easy!! They suspended him when they still had leverage over him. Once he resigned the no longer had any leverage.

Still don't make sense, because at the time I believe that JW was not "part of Simpauls" if I remember correctly. His son and wife(?) Maureen was name to the Simpaul company. Therefore, technically JW had nothing to do with that, solidfied by FIFA charging the son and not Warner.
Now you confusing me. At what time you talking about? I was talking about his recent suspension and resignation in a follow up to your question about why suspend him and then he resigns... You seem to be confusing that with your previous Simpauls question which I was not dealing with.

Ok, cool, thought you were dealing with both of them together as Bakes said they are not related to each other.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 23, 2011, 01:04:30 PM
That situation was as different as night and day.  Obviously they had leverage over Simpaul because Jack Warner was involved... if his son didn't cooperate Jack would have had to pay with either money or his position.  Additionally, it was FIFA tickets that was illegally resold... it was either he pay or they could have taken him to court.  Here FIFA has no leverage over Jack.  It really not that difficult to understand how that situation different from this one.

Ok, cool, thought you were dealing with both of them together as Bakes said they are not related to each other.

If you read my comments closely you would see that I addressed both your concerns already.  Just last month a check of the corporate registry listed Jack and Maureen Warner as Directors... although Jack deny it.... just like he denying that he guilty.... just like he deny he made any deal with the players.  So if he was listed last month how yuh could say he wasn't part of Simpaul's in 2006?  He founded the company, take a break for the World Cup and only recently start back up with it?  Make some kinda sense nah man.  Aside from that, I also said they had leverage over the son because FIFA could easily have threatened to take action against Jack, since it is obvious that Simpaul get the tickets thru the TTFF aka Jack.  That and they coulda sue Simpaul's for illegally re-selling their tickets... aka theft.  It have many different ways they could have forced Simpaul's hand.... but none so blind as those who would not see.  If you still insist that (to use my term) FIFA has leverage on Jack now and didn't back then, then so be it.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Peong on June 23, 2011, 01:30:19 PM
Warner: My new role is problems of T&T.
By: Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian).


A better heading would have been:

Warner: My new role is problems of T&T prisions.

 :devil:

How about "My new role is problems for T&T".
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Flex on June 24, 2011, 05:35:17 AM
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).


Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.

Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.

A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to  the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.

If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation, told the Press Association that FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quitbut confirmed the Ethics Committees reports conclusions and said Warner had agreed to be a witness in the ongoing case against bin Hammam. Meanwhile, Qatari bin Hamman insists theres no wrongdoing on his part despite the report stating there is overwhelming evidence that he used bribery in his presidential campaign.

With Warners ressignation from FIFA, only bin Hammam stands accused of paying money to delegates of the CFU in exchange for votes at the Fifa presidential election on June 1. The Qatari pulled out of the running for presidency once the allegations of bribery emerged, leaving Sepp Blatter to run and be re-elected, unopposed, for a fourth term. Bin Hammam, 62, will face Fifa Ethics Committe.

The allegations arose after bin Hammam entertained members of the CFU on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad, during his failed Fifa presidential bid. The report says there is compelling evidence that bin Hammam paid money to CFU delegates and that Warner facilitated these payments. Both Warner and bin Hammam were provisionally suspended on May 29.

We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days...It means that there was a probability that he was guilty, said Kaafjord. Kaafjord claims Warner had no choice but to quit football as he would have been thrown out of the game for his part in the bribery scandal at FIFA.

But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent...That is a basic principle of law, he said. We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law if he is not a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.

But the investigation will continue because bin Hammam is part of the same case and Warner has said he will be a witness in the bin Hammam case. On Monday, Warner stunned the football fraternity by resigning from his Fifa position, as president of the Caribbean Football Union and as president of Concacaf.

As a result, he was cleared of all bribery allegations and left FIFA presumed innocent. However, Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban. Warner had said his resignation from his football posts would allow him to focus on his duties as T&Ts Works and Transport Minister.

On Wednesday, Warner pointed out that after his self-determined resignation, FIFA discontinued its Ethics Committee procedure with the presumption of maintained innocence.

It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who are not only pathologically mendacious, but in the face of FIFAs stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no length to destroy my legacy and destabilise the Caribbean region whose interests I have always vigorously advocated, he stated.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: royal on June 24, 2011, 07:14:35 AM
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).


Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.

Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.

A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to  the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.

If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation, told the Press Association that FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quitbut confirmed the Ethics Committees reports conclusions and said Warner had agreed to be a witness in the ongoing case against bin Hammam. Meanwhile, Qatari bin Hamman insists theres no wrongdoing on his part despite the report stating there is overwhelming evidence that he used bribery in his presidential campaign.

With Warners ressignation from FIFA, only bin Hammam stands accused of paying money to delegates of the CFU in exchange for votes at the Fifa presidential election on June 1. The Qatari pulled out of the running for presidency once the allegations of bribery emerged, leaving Sepp Blatter to run and be re-elected, unopposed, for a fourth term. Bin Hammam, 62, will face Fifa Ethics Committe.

The allegations arose after bin Hammam entertained members of the CFU on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad, during his failed Fifa presidential bid. The report says there is compelling evidence that bin Hammam paid money to CFU delegates and that Warner facilitated these payments. Both Warner and bin Hammam were provisionally suspended on May 29.

We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days...It means that there was a probability that he was guilty, said Kaafjord. Kaafjord claims Warner had no choice but to quit football as he would have been thrown out of the game for his part in the bribery scandal at FIFA.

But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent...That is a basic principle of law, he said. We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law if he is not a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.

But the investigation will continue because bin Hammam is part of the same case and Warner has said he will be a witness in the bin Hammam case. On Monday, Warner stunned the football fraternity by resigning from his Fifa position, as president of the Caribbean Football Union and as president of Concacaf.

As a result, he was cleared of all bribery allegations and left FIFA presumed innocent. However, Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban. Warner had said his resignation from his football posts would allow him to focus on his duties as T&Ts Works and Transport Minister.

On Wednesday, Warner pointed out that after his self-determined resignation, FIFA discontinued its Ethics Committee procedure with the presumption of maintained innocence.

It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who are not only pathologically mendacious, but in the face of FIFAs stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no length to destroy my legacy and destabilise the Caribbean region whose interests I have always vigorously advocated, he stated.



oh dear,what's de next move from the cabinet minister
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: weary1969 on June 24, 2011, 07:57:04 AM
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).


Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.

Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.

A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to  the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.

If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation, told the Press Association that FIFA had no choice but to drop the investigation once Warner had quitbut confirmed the Ethics Committees reports conclusions and said Warner had agreed to be a witness in the ongoing case against bin Hammam. Meanwhile, Qatari bin Hamman insists theres no wrongdoing on his part despite the report stating there is overwhelming evidence that he used bribery in his presidential campaign.

With Warners ressignation from FIFA, only bin Hammam stands accused of paying money to delegates of the CFU in exchange for votes at the Fifa presidential election on June 1. The Qatari pulled out of the running for presidency once the allegations of bribery emerged, leaving Sepp Blatter to run and be re-elected, unopposed, for a fourth term. Bin Hammam, 62, will face Fifa Ethics Committe.

The allegations arose after bin Hammam entertained members of the CFU on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad, during his failed Fifa presidential bid. The report says there is compelling evidence that bin Hammam paid money to CFU delegates and that Warner facilitated these payments. Both Warner and bin Hammam were provisionally suspended on May 29.

We concluded on May 29 that there was enough reason to suspend him for 30 days...It means that there was a probability that he was guilty, said Kaafjord. Kaafjord claims Warner had no choice but to quit football as he would have been thrown out of the game for his part in the bribery scandal at FIFA.

But in judicial language until you are actually found guilty you are presumed to be innocent...That is a basic principle of law, he said. We are not entitled to go further with the investigation according to Swiss law if he is not a member of the association any more we have no right to go further.

But the investigation will continue because bin Hammam is part of the same case and Warner has said he will be a witness in the bin Hammam case. On Monday, Warner stunned the football fraternity by resigning from his Fifa position, as president of the Caribbean Football Union and as president of Concacaf.

As a result, he was cleared of all bribery allegations and left FIFA presumed innocent. However, Kaafjord said the outcome was the same as a ban. Warner had said his resignation from his football posts would allow him to focus on his duties as T&Ts Works and Transport Minister.

On Wednesday, Warner pointed out that after his self-determined resignation, FIFA discontinued its Ethics Committee procedure with the presumption of maintained innocence.

It is now evident that there are those in a section of the FIFA fraternity who are not only pathologically mendacious, but in the face of FIFAs stated position and its voluntary recognition of my contribution to world football and by definition to FIFA, will stop at no length to destroy my legacy and destabilise the Caribbean region whose interests I have always vigorously advocated, he stated.



oh dear,what's de next move from the cabinet minister

River lime at Valencia. Anil where yuh big mouth how come it eh open on this?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Deeks on June 24, 2011, 02:48:08 PM
Is he out of TT/TTFF/TTFA completely or what? We want a definitive answer with Bakes affidavits signature on it!!!!!
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: dreamer on June 24, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
Member of FIFA Ethics Committee: No doubt about guilty verdict against Warner
By: ASHA JAVEED and NIGEL SIMON (Guardian).


Had he not quit his FIFAs vice-presidential post, Jack Warner would have been found guilty of corruption.

Thats the conclusion of a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. He insisted the consequences for Warner are the same, as if he had been convicted of corruptionthat he is out of football.

A report of the committee leaked to the Press Association on Wednesday said there was overwhelming evidence that Warner, who quit all football activities on Monday, prior to a leaked report to  the Association Press which concluded he was an accessory to corruption. For his part, Warner has condemned the leak of the report as part of an ongoing malicious agenda to destroy the cohesion of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

But Kaafjords comments didnt mirror Warners skepticism. The result is the same as if he had been banned by ushes out of football...If we had sentenced him or banned him, the result would have been just the same, he told the Press Association.

If Warner were to take part in football again, the case will be reopened immediately. Kaafjord, a former president of the Norway Football Federation ...

Now watch here. If Warner so much as watch a football hard, is report we reporting he tail.  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 24, 2011, 05:01:29 PM
FIFA Power Broker Is Out After Years of Whispers.
By JER LONGMAN and DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: June 20, 2011
NY Times.


(Page 1 of 4)

Jack Warner commands headlines nearly every day in this Caribbean nation, known simply by his first name in his highly visible if conflicting roles as energetic public servant and now disgraced soccer power broker.

As a member of Trinidad and Tobagos Parliament and its minister of works and transport, Warner appears ubiquitous, holding news conferences, hugging children and cutting ribbons at road openings, promising warehouse workers that they will soon have proper toilet facilities and dressing rooms. One recent poll named Warner the countrys most popular minister. At times, he has served as the acting prime minister. Some believe he would like the position full time.

For nearly three decades, Warner, 68, has also been a powerful but polarizing figure in regional and international soccer circles. On Monday, he resigned his positions as the vice president of FIFA, soccers world governing body, and as the president of soccers North American, Central American and Caribbean region, known as Concacaf.

He had been accused in a bribery scheme involving as much as $1 million and had been suspended from all soccer activities, charged with trying to manipulate FIFAs presidential election June 1. His critics have long contended that Warner epitomized FIFAs lack of accountability and transparency, reflected its outsized sense of entitlement, used soccer to enrich himself and his family and retaliated against those who opposed him.

He had endured a number of scandals through the years before stepping down Monday. He declined repeated requests for interviews in recent days and did not respond to questions submitted via e-mail. He continued to deny any wrongdoing in a statement Monday, saying he believed, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.

What apparently forced Warners hand was a preliminary investigation by FIFAs ethics committee that was pretty damning, said a high-ranking regional soccer official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. Maybe he realized there was no way out.

FIFA said Monday it had closed its ethics inquiry, which was conducted by the investigative agency of the former F.B.I. director Louis Freeh. FIFA also said that the presumption of innocence was maintained. The announcement brought widespread accusations that FIFA was trying to smother further revelations of wrongdoing as it faces tremendous international pressure to repair its tattered image.

This shows that FIFA cant be trusted to run their own investigation, said Damian Collins, a member of Britains Parliament who has been investigating FIFA corruption. This demonstrates that they have totally failed. This means we will never know the truth about what happened.

The bribery allegations have also affected Warners political career. Under pressure from opposition leaders in Parliament, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has requested information from FIFA regarding the allegations. Opposition leaders have demanded an investigation to determine if the money used for reported bribe attempts came from outside the country and whether any customs laws were violated.

There is no middle ground; you are either for Mr. Warner or against Mr. Warner, said Brian Lewis, the honorary secretary general of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee. His constituents think he is the best M.P. in history. His capacity for work is legendary. Hes known for giving to charity and insisting it not be publicized. Hes done a lot for football. Some others say: Big criminals do the same thing. Hes getting his just desserts. Hes a scam, a fraud, always has been.

The bribery allegations stemmed from a meeting here on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. The election for president of FIFA was three weeks away. Sepp Blatter, a Swiss, was running for a fourth term. His opponent was Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar, the president of soccers Asian confederation, who had come here to pitch his candidacy to soccer officials from 25 Caribbean countries.

(Page 2 of 4)

As the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body, Warner controlled 35 of the 208 votes that would be made for FIFAs presidency. He had announced that Concacaf would vote as a bloc (although the United States said it would vote independently).

Mr. Blatter always knew that Warner was an embarrassment, but he had 35 votes, said John McBeth, a former president of the Scotland soccer federation who accused Warner of once asking him to write a $75,000 check directly to Warner as payment for an exhibition match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.

At the Hyatt meeting in May, however, Warner was not accused of asking for money. Instead, he was charged with offering $40,000 to Caribbean officials on behalf of Bin Hammam with the understanding that they would vote for Bin Hammam over Blatter. It is not known if the same offer was made to each Caribbean official. Some, though, became uncomfortable with the offer of money. According to FIFAs ethics rules, accepting gifts of cash in any amount or form is prohibited.

One those who grew concerned was Fred Lunn, the vice president of the Bahamas soccer federation, according to two regional soccer officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the bribery investigation. Lunn filed an affidavit describing the incident, the officials said. Details of the affidavit were first reported by The Telegraph and The Daily Mail newspapers of London.

According to the affidavit, Lunn was handed an envelope in a conference room at the Hyatt on May 10. Upon opening it, he found $40,000 inside. He contacted Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas soccer federation, who told him that under no circumstances was he to keep the money. Lunn photographed the stacks of $100 bills and returned the cash.

The next day, May 11, Warner told the Caribbean officials the gift had come from Bin Hammam and could be used at their discretion, Lunn said in the affidavit.

An Investigation Begins
 
Chuck Blazer, an American who sits on FIFAs executive committee and is Concacafs general secretary, was informed about the cash offers. For two decades, Blazer and Warner had been close allies. They had grown Concacaf from a nearly insolvent regional governing body to one with a yearly income averaging $40 million and headquarters in Trump Tower in New York. Now, the partnership fractured.

An investigation ensued at Blazers request. Bin Hammam dropped his candidacy for FIFAs presidency, and he and Warner were suspended from all soccer activities. On June 1, Blatter was re-elected unopposed.

Blazer declined to speak for this article. In a brief interview last month, he said that to his knowledge, no one had paid for a vote in his 21 years as a high-ranking Concacaf official.

Warners resignation was a precipitous fall for the regions most powerful soccer figure, one who rose from a poor boyhood to help orchestrate Trinidad and Tobagos only appearance in the World Cup in 2006, making it the smallest nation (population 1.3 million) to qualify for the worlds most popular sporting event.

Trinidad and Tobagos prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, a political ally of Warners, has stood by him, calling him a son of the soil. And he remains extremely popular in his political district, Chaguanas West, where Warner is celebrated for opening his office at dawn and helping the poor, sometimes out of his own pocket from a fortune built on travel, security, hotels and other businesses. Some of his constituents have complained that Warner was being persecuted by a Eurocentric organization because he was black, a notion he has not disavowed.

He has a reputation as a doer, helping the dispossessed, said Rita Pemberton, who is the head of the history department at the University of the West Indies in St. Augustine, Trinidad. He has made the front pages of the newspapers, helping this one and that one people whose houses were falling or dilapidated and adopting children, the kinds of things that win you support at the ground level.

(Page 3 of 4)

Yet, Warners soccer achievements have frequently been tempered by accusations that he has flouted FIFAs rules of ethical behavior. At a British parliamentary hearing in May, David Triesman, who formerly headed Englands unsuccessful bid to host the 2018 World Cup, said that Warner had asked for $4 million to build an education center in Trinidad and $800,000 to purchase television rights to show the 2010 World Cup in earthquake-torn Haiti.

An independent investigation said it could not substantiate that Warner asked for the money for the education center to be funneled through him. The investigation also said that Triesman later learned that Warner already owned the World Cup television rights for Haiti. Blatter cleared Warner of wrongdoing.

While Australia bid for the 2022 World Cup it was eventually awarded to Qatar last December bidders spent lavishly on Warner, said Bonita Mersiades, a former head of corporate and public affairs for the Australian soccer federation. Only the 24 members of FIFAs executive committee would vote on the World Cup bid, so each vote was considered critical. It was believed that Warner might also be able to influence Africas four votes on the executive committee.

Mersiades said that the Australian bid team spent $2,500 in 2009 on a single-drop pearl necklace for Warners wife, Maureen, that appeared to be above the allowance permitted by FIFA. (Other wives of FIFA executive committee members previously received similar pearl jewelry). Bidders also spent $250,000 to $300,000 to pay for an under-20 youth national soccer team from Trinidad and Tobago to play a 2009 tournament in Cyprus, Mersiades said. She said she understood that the money was paid through a travel agency that lists Warner and his family as directors.

Kevin Rudd, then Australias prime minister, was also dispatched to visit Warner in Trinidad during the bid, Mersiades said. Rudd was prepared to bring Warner an expensive bottle of wine, she said, but was warned by an Australian bid official with close ties to Warner that this was considered a disgrace and that a case of wine would be a more sufficient gift.

One would think that Jack Warner was more important than our prime minister, Mersiades said. She said she was fired from the Australian soccer federation in 2010 after complaining about the way its World Cup bid was operating and treating Warner.

He is like a politician who is not particularly interested in connecting with people, she said. He saw himself as more important than anyone, including an ambassador hosting an event.

FIFA said last year that it was investigating whether the pearls violated its World Cup bidding guidelines that gifts should be of symbolic or incidental value. The outcome of the inquiry was not clear. In 2009, Warner returned a $400 handbag given to his wife by Englands 2018 World Cup bid team, saying that news media comments about the gift had resulted in the tainting of her character and mine.

His relationship with soccer in Trinidad and Tobago often has been contentious since Nov. 19, 1989, when the island nation faced the United States in an important qualifying match for the 1990 World Cup. All Trinidad and Tobago needed was a draw to qualify, but the United States won, 1-0, reaching the World Cup for the first time in 40 years.

Defeat was compounded locally by the discovery that Warner, as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation, had oversold the permitted allotment of 28,500 tickets at Hasley Crawford Stadium. Nearly 35,000 people crammed into the stadium and thousands could not get in, creating a situation in which the aisles were packed and some people fainted.

Gally Cummings, who coached Trinidad and Tobago in that 1989 match, said that Warner asked him to say publicly that the game was not oversold. Cummings said that he declined The place was packed like sardines; if we had had an emergency, a lot of people would have died and that in retaliation, Warner had him fired and has since prevented him from getting a number of professional coaching jobs in the Caribbean.

Last year, Cummings filed a grievance against Warner with the Equal Opportunity Commission, alleging discrimination, but said the case appeared to be going nowhere.

(Page 4 of 4)

He selects players, coaches, administration, Cummings, who now coaches at the University of Trinidad and Tobago, said. Once youre in opposition, its over for you.

After the ticket incident, Warner resigned his position as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation; in 1990, he became the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body. Until Monday, he was officially a special adviser to the Trinidad federation, though Warner was widely considered to have remained in charge.

Disagreements Over Pay

For the last five years, the Trinidad federation and Warner have been in a legal tangle with a group of players over bonuses owed from their appearance in the 2006 World Cup.

The players said that Warner agreed to pay them 50 percent of the commercial revenue that the Trinidad federation earned from the countrys appearance in soccers global championship. Afterward, the players said they were offered only $600 apiece. The case went to arbitration and ended up in Trinidad and Tobagos High Court, where the players won. Last month, a preliminary payment of $1.1 million was made to be split among 13 players (others had previously settled).

Another hearing on the case is set for Tuesday. The players contend they are owed at least $3 million more and have asked to see the federations financial books, so far unsuccessfully.

There has never been any sort of accountability and transparency as far as the revenues the football federation brings in; no one has any real idea, said Shaka Hislop, a former goalkeeper who has led the players case. Its absolutely farcical that it has gone on for so long.

The 2006 World Cup also brought another embarrassing moment for Warner. A series of articles in The Express newspaper of Trinidad and The Daily Mail of London revealed that Simpaul Travel, a travel agency owned by the Warner family, controlled World Cup tickets in Trinidad and offered them for sale at an extensive markup in travel packages, while also selling travel packages at inflated prices to matches involving England, Mexico and Japan.

Private minutes of a December 2006 meeting of FIFAs executive committee indicate that a son of Warners, Daryan Warner, was fined about $1 million, only $250,000 of which had been repaid, for his role in the ticketing operation. Details of the fine were first reported in Foul: The Secret World of FIFA by the British investigative journalist Andrew Jennings. It is not known if the remainder of the fine was repaid or forgiven.

Nor is it likely to be known after Warners resignation the full extent of what he did to try to influence the outcome of FIFAs recent presidential election.

FIFA must continue to investigate allegations against Warner, said Oliver Fowler, a co-founder of ChangeFIFA, a reform group. To stop only raises more awkward questions and doubts.

Jer Longman reported from Port of Spain, Trinidad, and Doreen Carvajal from Paris.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 24, 2011, 10:50:03 PM
FIFA Power Broker Is Out After Years of Whispers.
By JER LONGMAN and DOREEN CARVAJAL
Published: June 20, 2011
NY Times.


(Page 1 of 4)

Jack Warner commands headlines nearly every day in this Caribbean nation, known simply by his first name in his highly visible if conflicting roles as energetic public servant and now disgraced soccer power broker.

As a member of Trinidad and Tobagos Parliament and its minister of works and transport, Warner appears ubiquitous, holding news conferences, hugging children and cutting ribbons at road openings, promising warehouse workers that they will soon have proper toilet facilities and dressing rooms. One recent poll named Warner the countrys most popular minister. At times, he has served as the acting prime minister. Some believe he would like the position full time.

For nearly three decades, Warner, 68, has also been a powerful but polarizing figure in regional and international soccer circles. On Monday, he resigned his positions as the vice president of FIFA, soccers world governing body, and as the president of soccers North American, Central American and Caribbean region, known as Concacaf.

He had been accused in a bribery scheme involving as much as $1 million and had been suspended from all soccer activities, charged with trying to manipulate FIFAs presidential election June 1. His critics have long contended that Warner epitomized FIFAs lack of accountability and transparency, reflected its outsized sense of entitlement, used soccer to enrich himself and his family and retaliated against those who opposed him.

He had endured a number of scandals through the years before stepping down Monday. He declined repeated requests for interviews in recent days and did not respond to questions submitted via e-mail. He continued to deny any wrongdoing in a statement Monday, saying he believed, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter.

What apparently forced Warners hand was a preliminary investigation by FIFAs ethics committee that was pretty damning, said a high-ranking regional soccer official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. Maybe he realized there was no way out.

FIFA said Monday it had closed its ethics inquiry, which was conducted by the investigative agency of the former F.B.I. director Louis Freeh. FIFA also said that the presumption of innocence was maintained. The announcement brought widespread accusations that FIFA was trying to smother further revelations of wrongdoing as it faces tremendous international pressure to repair its tattered image.

This shows that FIFA cant be trusted to run their own investigation, said Damian Collins, a member of Britains Parliament who has been investigating FIFA corruption. This demonstrates that they have totally failed. This means we will never know the truth about what happened.

The bribery allegations have also affected Warners political career. Under pressure from opposition leaders in Parliament, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has requested information from FIFA regarding the allegations. Opposition leaders have demanded an investigation to determine if the money used for reported bribe attempts came from outside the country and whether any customs laws were violated.

There is no middle ground; you are either for Mr. Warner or against Mr. Warner, said Brian Lewis, the honorary secretary general of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee. His constituents think he is the best M.P. in history. His capacity for work is legendary. Hes known for giving to charity and insisting it not be publicized. Hes done a lot for football. Some others say: Big criminals do the same thing. Hes getting his just desserts. Hes a scam, a fraud, always has been.

The bribery allegations stemmed from a meeting here on May 10 and 11 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. The election for president of FIFA was three weeks away. Sepp Blatter, a Swiss, was running for a fourth term. His opponent was Mohamed bin Hammam of Qatar, the president of soccers Asian confederation, who had come here to pitch his candidacy to soccer officials from 25 Caribbean countries.

(Page 2 of 4)

As the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body, Warner controlled 35 of the 208 votes that would be made for FIFAs presidency. He had announced that Concacaf would vote as a bloc (although the United States said it would vote independently).

Mr. Blatter always knew that Warner was an embarrassment, but he had 35 votes, said John McBeth, a former president of the Scotland soccer federation who accused Warner of once asking him to write a $75,000 check directly to Warner as payment for an exhibition match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.

At the Hyatt meeting in May, however, Warner was not accused of asking for money. Instead, he was charged with offering $40,000 to Caribbean officials on behalf of Bin Hammam with the understanding that they would vote for Bin Hammam over Blatter. It is not known if the same offer was made to each Caribbean official. Some, though, became uncomfortable with the offer of money. According to FIFAs ethics rules, accepting gifts of cash in any amount or form is prohibited.

One those who grew concerned was Fred Lunn, the vice president of the Bahamas soccer federation, according to two regional soccer officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the bribery investigation. Lunn filed an affidavit describing the incident, the officials said. Details of the affidavit were first reported by The Telegraph and The Daily Mail newspapers of London.

According to the affidavit, Lunn was handed an envelope in a conference room at the Hyatt on May 10. Upon opening it, he found $40,000 inside. He contacted Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas soccer federation, who told him that under no circumstances was he to keep the money. Lunn photographed the stacks of $100 bills and returned the cash.

The next day, May 11, Warner told the Caribbean officials the gift had come from Bin Hammam and could be used at their discretion, Lunn said in the affidavit.

An Investigation Begins
 
Chuck Blazer, an American who sits on FIFAs executive committee and is Concacafs general secretary, was informed about the cash offers. For two decades, Blazer and Warner had been close allies. They had grown Concacaf from a nearly insolvent regional governing body to one with a yearly income averaging $40 million and headquarters in Trump Tower in New York. Now, the partnership fractured.

An investigation ensued at Blazers request. Bin Hammam dropped his candidacy for FIFAs presidency, and he and Warner were suspended from all soccer activities. On June 1, Blatter was re-elected unopposed.

Blazer declined to speak for this article. In a brief interview last month, he said that to his knowledge, no one had paid for a vote in his 21 years as a high-ranking Concacaf official.

Warners resignation was a precipitous fall for the regions most powerful soccer figure, one who rose from a poor boyhood to help orchestrate Trinidad and Tobagos only appearance in the World Cup in 2006, making it the smallest nation (population 1.3 million) to qualify for the worlds most popular sporting event.

Trinidad and Tobagos prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, a political ally of Warners, has stood by him, calling him a son of the soil. And he remains extremely popular in his political district, Chaguanas West, where Warner is celebrated for opening his office at dawn and helping the poor, sometimes out of his own pocket from a fortune built on travel, security, hotels and other businesses. Some of his constituents have complained that Warner was being persecuted by a Eurocentric organization because he was black, a notion he has not disavowed.

He has a reputation as a doer, helping the dispossessed, said Rita Pemberton, who is the head of the history department at the University of the West Indies in St. Augustine, Trinidad. He has made the front pages of the newspapers, helping this one and that one people whose houses were falling or dilapidated and adopting children, the kinds of things that win you support at the ground level.

(Page 3 of 4)

Yet, Warners soccer achievements have frequently been tempered by accusations that he has flouted FIFAs rules of ethical behavior. At a British parliamentary hearing in May, David Triesman, who formerly headed Englands unsuccessful bid to host the 2018 World Cup, said that Warner had asked for $4 million to build an education center in Trinidad and $800,000 to purchase television rights to show the 2010 World Cup in earthquake-torn Haiti.

An independent investigation said it could not substantiate that Warner asked for the money for the education center to be funneled through him. The investigation also said that Triesman later learned that Warner already owned the World Cup television rights for Haiti. Blatter cleared Warner of wrongdoing.

While Australia bid for the 2022 World Cup it was eventually awarded to Qatar last December bidders spent lavishly on Warner, said Bonita Mersiades, a former head of corporate and public affairs for the Australian soccer federation. Only the 24 members of FIFAs executive committee would vote on the World Cup bid, so each vote was considered critical. It was believed that Warner might also be able to influence Africas four votes on the executive committee.

Mersiades said that the Australian bid team spent $2,500 in 2009 on a single-drop pearl necklace for Warners wife, Maureen, that appeared to be above the allowance permitted by FIFA. (Other wives of FIFA executive committee members previously received similar pearl jewelry). Bidders also spent $250,000 to $300,000 to pay for an under-20 youth national soccer team from Trinidad and Tobago to play a 2009 tournament in Cyprus, Mersiades said. She said she understood that the money was paid through a travel agency that lists Warner and his family as directors.

Kevin Rudd, then Australias prime minister, was also dispatched to visit Warner in Trinidad during the bid, Mersiades said. Rudd was prepared to bring Warner an expensive bottle of wine, she said, but was warned by an Australian bid official with close ties to Warner that this was considered a disgrace and that a case of wine would be a more sufficient gift.

One would think that Jack Warner was more important than our prime minister, Mersiades said. She said she was fired from the Australian soccer federation in 2010 after complaining about the way its World Cup bid was operating and treating Warner.

He is like a politician who is not particularly interested in connecting with people, she said. He saw himself as more important than anyone, including an ambassador hosting an event.

FIFA said last year that it was investigating whether the pearls violated its World Cup bidding guidelines that gifts should be of symbolic or incidental value. The outcome of the inquiry was not clear. In 2009, Warner returned a $400 handbag given to his wife by Englands 2018 World Cup bid team, saying that news media comments about the gift had resulted in the tainting of her character and mine.

His relationship with soccer in Trinidad and Tobago often has been contentious since Nov. 19, 1989, when the island nation faced the United States in an important qualifying match for the 1990 World Cup. All Trinidad and Tobago needed was a draw to qualify, but the United States won, 1-0, reaching the World Cup for the first time in 40 years.

Defeat was compounded locally by the discovery that Warner, as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation, had oversold the permitted allotment of 28,500 tickets at Hasley Crawford Stadium. Nearly 35,000 people crammed into the stadium and thousands could not get in, creating a situation in which the aisles were packed and some people fainted.

Gally Cummings, who coached Trinidad and Tobago in that 1989 match, said that Warner asked him to say publicly that the game was not oversold. Cummings said that he declined The place was packed like sardines; if we had had an emergency, a lot of people would have died and that in retaliation, Warner had him fired and has since prevented him from getting a number of professional coaching jobs in the Caribbean.

Last year, Cummings filed a grievance against Warner with the Equal Opportunity Commission, alleging discrimination, but said the case appeared to be going nowhere.

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He selects players, coaches, administration, Cummings, who now coaches at the University of Trinidad and Tobago, said. Once youre in opposition, its over for you.

After the ticket incident, Warner resigned his position as the general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago soccer federation; in 1990, he became the president of Concacaf, the regional governing body. Until Monday, he was officially a special adviser to the Trinidad federation, though Warner was widely considered to have remained in charge.

Disagreements Over Pay

For the last five years, the Trinidad federation and Warner have been in a legal tangle with a group of players over bonuses owed from their appearance in the 2006 World Cup.

The players said that Warner agreed to pay them 50 percent of the commercial revenue that the Trinidad federation earned from the countrys appearance in soccers global championship. Afterward, the players said they were offered only $600 apiece. The case went to arbitration and ended up in Trinidad and Tobagos High Court, where the players won. Last month, a preliminary payment of $1.1 million was made to be split among 13 players (others had previously settled).

Another hearing on the case is set for Tuesday. The players contend they are owed at least $3 million more and have asked to see the federations financial books, so far unsuccessfully.

There has never been any sort of accountability and transparency as far as the revenues the football federation brings in; no one has any real idea, said Shaka Hislop, a former goalkeeper who has led the players case. Its absolutely farcical that it has gone on for so long.

The 2006 World Cup also brought another embarrassing moment for Warner. A series of articles in The Express newspaper of Trinidad and The Daily Mail of London revealed that Simpaul Travel, a travel agency owned by the Warner family, controlled World Cup tickets in Trinidad and offered them for sale at an extensive markup in travel packages, while also selling travel packages at inflated prices to matches involving England, Mexico and Japan.

Private minutes of a December 2006 meeting of FIFAs executive committee indicate that a son of Warners, Daryan Warner, was fined about $1 million, only $250,000 of which had been repaid, for his role in the ticketing operation. Details of the fine were first reported in Foul: The Secret World of FIFA by the British investigative journalist Andrew Jennings. It is not known if the remainder of the fine was repaid or forgiven.

Nor is it likely to be known after Warners resignation the full extent of what he did to try to influence the outcome of FIFAs recent presidential election.

FIFA must continue to investigate allegations against Warner, said Oliver Fowler, a co-founder of ChangeFIFA, a reform group. To stop only raises more awkward questions and doubts.

Jer Longman reported from Port of Spain, Trinidad, and Doreen Carvajal from Paris.

Very good article summarising the full scenario with Warner so far!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on June 25, 2011, 04:25:23 AM
I used to think that this man actually knew what he was doing and every thing was going according to plan, sort of like a great conniving strategist, but nothing was further from the truth.

the truth is , after watching this man for five yrs (thanx to the SWO) i  have arrived @ the conclusion that this fella is the quintessential dunce.

imagine a man who's worth a small fortune persist in nickle and dimming time after time after time and getting caught with his hands in the cookie every time. i would think after so many failed attempt a man would come to the conclusion that this particular genre was not suited for him and would make adjustments/ take a different road, but no not jack, he persisted in his ways until he fell on his own sword.

why did i not see this all along, ah mean all the evidence was there. first the simpaul thing, then the scotish FA controversy, then the black list which he eventually recanted on throwing T&T football back 10 yrs after such a great achievement, then the court case which he lost and in the process brought a lot of unwanted "negative" attention to himself and FIFA, the lord treisman thing, the world cup bid failed promises and now this bribery charges.

and yuh know what's so sad about it, i thought the man would rise to the top every time like cream, not knowing that the fella would be shot down instead.

where did i get this evil genius image of jack warner ? the man who would beat the odds and come out on top every time. i must need my head examined , BC right now the man batting average is in the dustbin. realistically, to tell you the truth the man reminds me more of dick dastardly than anything else, always runnin scam and in the end it blowing up in his face.

i actually believed this man knew what he was doing, from blacklisting the players to bribing the CFU members, when in reality the fella didn't have a single solitary clue! :puking:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 25, 2011, 06:02:29 AM

the truth is , after watching this man for five yrs (thanx to the SWO) i  have arrived @ the conclusion that this fella is the quintessential dunce.


JC boy, if it were not for this forum I too would have been in the dark about the depth of Warner's shenanigans.  I knew the guy was shady eh, but geez and ages when you real all the info on here is enuff to make yuh  :puking:  for true!!

i actually believed this man knew what he was doing, from blacklisting the players to bribing the CFU members, when in reality the fella didn't have a single solitary clue!

Btw, ketch yuh self eh.  Jack is ah boss!!  :devil: ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 25, 2011, 06:41:51 PM
Warner walks the plank But is FIFA any cleaner for it?
By Lasana Liburd (playthegame).


Former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner is gone for good from the corridors of football power in Zurich, Switzerland. His former deputy, CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer, now calls the shots in the most populous confederation of the western hemisphere.

And Sepp Blatter remains FIFA Presidenta position he held since June 1998. There is a fourth figure involved and he is the suspended Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Ostensibly, the 62-year-old Bin Hammam should be the key to this disgraceful scenario. It was his trip to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, via private jet on May 10two days after his birthdaythat sparked one of FIFA's worse scandals.

The Qatari millionaire stunned the football world by masterminding an unlikely success for his homeland, Qatar, as they beat United States, South Korea, Japan and Australia for the right to host the 2022 World Cup in a campaign that climaxed on December 2, 2010. A month later, he was re-elected unopposed as AFC President and, in March, turned his attention and considerable resources to the FIFA throne.

Bin Hammam supported Blatter in his 1998 and 2002 presidential campaigns although relations between the pair seemed strained at one point. The FIFA President supposedly backed Bahrain's Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa's attempt to unseat the Qatari from the FIFA Executive Committee in 2009. Bin Hammam won by just two votes.

Still, last August, as the World Cup bid campaign entered its final lap, Bin Hammam vowed not to challenge his "very good friend" for the top FIFA post.

"I will be backing him to remain in office for a new mandate," said Bin Hammam.
But, buoyed by his increased profile within the "FIFA family", he was not true to his word. His subsequent demise, just two months later, was as sudden as it was brutal.

The Qatari, according to sworn affidavits from at least four Caribbean administrators, turned up with a suitcase full of cashestimates suggest as much as US$1 millionwith the intention of buying votes for the presidential election. FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke, in an earlier email to Warner, suggested that Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup and spoke in disparaging terms about his new campaign.

And he was indeed found to be out of his depth. Formally charged by the FIFA's Ethics Committee for bribery, he withdrew his candidacy, a week before the elections, and Blatter was returned unopposed.

The next Ethics Committee meeting, which will study the report provided by ex-FBI Director Louis Freeh in late June or early July, should provide closure to the bribery case and the evidence appears damning.

But there are two stories herenot just the one. And, in the second, the ambitious Qatari was a helpless pawn.

The sideshow

When Warner, a Trinidad and Tobago MP, announced that his homeland would host Bin Hammam and afford him the chance to woo the Caribbean Football Union (CFU); anyone with a passing knowledge of football politics might have expected lavish gifts. Blazer, like the rest of North and Central America, was not invited.

Earlier that month, Bin Hammam did not turn up for the CONCACAF congress where Blatter made a timely presentation of developmental money for the Confederation. Warner, who is usually a vocal supporter of the President, declined to endorse the 75-year-old Swiss until he had heard from Bin Hammam.

But his subsequent meeting with the Qatari at the Port of Spain's Hyatt Hotel was a scandal and, six weeks later, continues to earn front and back page headlines.

So what went wrong?
 
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.

Bin Hammam initially scoffed at the bribery charge as a political "tactic" while Warner insisted he was "hung out to dry" and a victim of his accusers' "hypocrisy". Representatives from Grenada, Barbados, Antigua, Jamaica and Dominica declared that they were not "bribed".

On the other hand, Bahamas Football Association (BFA) Vice-President Fred Lunn claimed he was offered US$40,000 in cash at the Hyatt. CFU official Jason Sylvester offered the envelope on Bin Hammam's behalf. Lunn was not sure what he should do. So he took the money to his hotel room, arranged it into neat piles, took photographs and consulted with BFA President Anton Sealy, by telephone, before returning the cash.

Sealy, who claimed to be outraged, did not call his Caribbean counterpart, Warner, to complain. Instead, he phoned Warner's employee and friend, Blazer.

Blazer said he was "stunned" that Warner would risk CONCACAF's reputation with such tawdry behaviour. So, he had attorney John Collins investigate and then passed on the findings to FIFA General Secretary, Valcke.

Blatter claimed to have no knowledge of Blazer's investigation, which obviously boosted his chances of retaining his post, until the information reached FIFA's headquarters. Warner, Bin Hammam, Sylvester along with CFU official Debbie Minguell were charged.

Bin Hammam, intriguingly, countered that Warner informed Blatter beforehand that there would be cash payments so the President was also in breach of FIFA's moral code by failing to report this to the Ethics Committee.

Blatter admitted Warner told him about the agenda but said he advised him that it was "a bad idea" and did not know that the money was subsequently distributed. Warner denied that conversation ever happened.

So who is lying?

Perhaps, everybody is.

Most honest people offered unlawful money instinctively raise their palms towards the offending party and attempt a swift exit. They do not sign for the money and take it into a quiet corner to practise their photography. Not unless they are informants anyway.

Should old acquaintance be forgot?

Blazer is supposedly Warner's close aide and, as it turned out, Warner continued to feel that way until the super-sized American drew a dagger.

In Warner's second biography, penned just five years ago, Blazer declared that the Trinidadian was the best man for the role of FIFA President. Warner was investigated, in 1990, for turning Trinidad's National Stadium into a death trap by selling over 35,000 tickets for a ground meant to hold 23,000 for a crucial World Cup qualifier in 1989. At the same time as this public inquiry, Blazer was teaming up with Warner to run for CONCACAF General Secretary and President respectively and he stood by his side as the allegations of corruption, some proven, flowed over the years.

So why would Sealy telephone Blazer?
 
No Caribbean official ever challenged Warner without being swiftly chucked out of football. The actions of Sealy and Lunn would appear more logical if Blazer promised them protection beforehand.

But Blazer did not have the clout to provide such an assurance at the time. Warner had survived several trips to the Executive Committee before and returned unscathed. The American would need to believe that this charge would yield a different outcome.

Blatter, by his own admission, knew in advance that Warner and Bin Hammam were considering throwing bundles of cash around. And Blazer was best placed to find out if it actually happened. So were both men being honest when they denied a secret pact took place?

And the Caribbean delegates who tell a different story of the Port of Spain meeting?

You say "tomato", I say "tomatoe"; you say "bribe", I say "gift". Was it just wordplay?

When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidadmoney laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 yearsthe flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.

He had previously sneered that "Blatter must be stopped" and threatened to hit FIFA with a "tsunami". In the end, though, he declared that Blatter was still a "friend" and meekly slid away with a pension estimated to be worth as much as 23,000 per year while FIFA closed their investigation into him.

The unanswered question, not found in the affidavits or leaks, is "why". Why did Blazer and Blatter turn their backs on Warner after a political relationship that spanned 21 years without a hint of discord?

But no mystery worth its salt fails to leave the odd, tantalising question as the credits roll.

Dominican FA President Patrick John claimed, in a radio interview, that Blazer was unhappy that Warner voted for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup while the Trinidadian himself suggested that Blazer felt he "should have done more" to help the USA bid.

The World Cup bid is done by secret ballot so was John guessing which way Warner voted? Or did the former CONCACAF President confide in him?

Sealy was overlooked for a place on the CFU Executive Committee this year with Guyanese official, Colin Klass, promoted instead. Did the Bahamian feel that a change at the top would better his own career outlook?

Blazer acted unconstitutionally by trying to insert Honduran Alfredo Hawitt as acting CONCACAF President, above Barbadian Lisle Austin, within hours of Warner's suspension. Austin forced his way into the chair but then publicly announced his intention to audit the Confederation and was immediately suspended by CONCACAF and FIFA.

Austin won a court injunction against his suspension in Bahamas, where CONCACAF is registered, but FIFA ignored it and threatened further discipline for getting the courts involved.

Same old FIFA

Was Blazer seeking more control all along and was there anything in CONCACAF's accounting books that might spell trouble for him and FIFA?

And was Blatter really innocent of the sting at the Hyatt? If not, was his motive to eliminate a challenger or to punish treachery? Or was Blatter, in his last term as FIFA President, merely disposing of a political ally that he no longer needed and whose brass had needlessly increased the vitriol directed at the organisation?

The stream of information leaked to the media suggests an open and shut bribery case that is nearing an inevitable conclusion.

Jack Warner, allegedly a latter-day "Pirate of the Caribbean", was made to walk the plank. But his demise was anything but a simple affair and had precious little to do with morality.

Meet the new FIFA, same as the old one.
Title: Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
Post by: Tallman on June 25, 2011, 07:27:42 PM
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
ctntworld.com


Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 25, 2011, 07:39:30 PM
Anil like he borrow some ah dat "testicular fortitude" back from Kamliar or what?  Bold talk.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 25, 2011, 07:54:54 PM
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."

Now I'm almost hoping Jack is found guilty and Kamla keeps him   :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 25, 2011, 08:11:09 PM
Good article by Lasana... and great job of connecting the dots.  However, not content with being efficient- and accurate, he decides to reach in a couple places, something which has always plagued his reporting. 

Quote
When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidadmoney laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 yearsthe flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.

The suggestion here is that Warner ostensibly could be found guilty of money-laundering, or at least that is one of the punitive liabilities he's exposed himself to.  Perhaps Lasana might care to follow up by explaining that implied allegation.  What is the illegal source of the money that would give rise to a charge of money laundering?  Or is he also unaware that bribery is not a crime?

Then one a less substantial level we have this little nugget:

Quote
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.

I wish he would leave these unnecessary attempts at flourish, which more often than not fall flat on their face... and just focus with the investigative reporting.  If analysis and not "volume" of evidence is the key then why the gratuitous Gladwell reference?  Yuh want we to know yuh does read books?  Okay... here's yuh cookie.  steups

At any rate... that's more a quibble, good investigative work in the making.  Keep up the pressure... and bring to light what the international press (for their fixation on Warner) fails to see... the hand of the puppeteer Blazer at work in the background.
Title: Re: Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
Post by: Cocorite on June 25, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
ctntworld.com


Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."
These people running our Gov't boy?  Embarrassing
Title: Re: Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
Post by: Sam on June 26, 2011, 05:26:48 AM
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
ctntworld.com


Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."

Great news....

Anil, yuh stinking mudda cornhoax !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You will not be missed.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: diamondtrim on June 26, 2011, 06:15:55 AM
Bakes.....

I generally do not like the best letter in your posts.....but regarding JW suspension and the furore and rhetoric that followed, you have been quite nifty in your comments, even appearing to defend the boss at times. So much so, that I didnt see the necessity in posting as you had already addressed the issues as I may have...only in a grammatically inferior manner
 :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: College on June 26, 2011, 07:38:50 AM
Bakes ... how Warner son roughing yuh up so??
Title: Think the unthinkable
Post by: Tallman on June 26, 2011, 07:58:40 AM
Think the unthinkable
By Raffique Shah (T&T Express)


LAST December, after the FIFA voted on hosts for the 2018 and 2022 football World Cup, I wrote a column in which I suggested that Jack Warner might have exposed Trinidad and Tobago to negative fallouts in international relations because of the perception that he had reneged on promises made to the US and Great Britain.

Several persons commented that what I suggested amounted to "tatah". Why would the US, our biggest trading partner, and Britain, with whom we have had historic ties, even consider their failed World Cup bids as cause for retaliatory action? In any event, why the hell should these two countries think they had some inherent right to host the biggest sporting event? Didn't the other countries that bidBelgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Russia, Australia, Japan, Qatar and Koreahave equal rights in the eyes of the sporting world?

I agreed with some of the points my critics raised. Indeed, I agreed with Warner when he pointed out that Britain, which hosted and won the Cup in 1966, should ask why no European country voted for it. And the US, which has hosted four of 24 Summer Olympics since 1896, as well as the 1994 World Cup, should also not believe that "might is right" in sports, as it appears to be in politics and war.

My argument then was not whether these two powerful countries deserved to be hosts of the Cup, although, from the standpoints of crowd attendance and television coverage, both would be ahead of most other countries. My main point was that Warner had wined and dined and met with some of the most powerful people from these countries prior to the controversial vote on December 2. Among them were David Beckham, who visited Trinidad, and HRH Prince William and Prime Minister David Cameron, in Zurich on the eve of the vote.

Earlier, in November 2009, Warner and Sepp Blatter had met with President Obama at the White House. In Zurich, Warner said that "the CONCACAF fraternity would vote together". And he alluded to the US being a member of that fraternity.

So when the FIFA 22-man executive voted for Russia and Qatar to host the 2018 and 2022 finals, there was a perception that he had jilted two powerful and very influential suitors who had wooed him prior to the vote. The USA did not openly express its disappointment, but Britain did. I warned then that there could be repercussions for Warner if he had actually made commitments, and, by extension, for our country, if there was the feeling that someone who often acts as Prime Minister, did not honour his word.

Much of what ensuedthe allegations of bribery at the Hyatt, claims of attempted bribery made before a British Parliamentary Committee, summons to appear before the FIFA Ethics Committee, suspension and resignationcan be linked, directly or indirectly, to that controversial vote in Zurich. Then, Warner thought he was omnipotent. He savaged the British. And more recently, he made some very uncomplimentary remarks about America when he refused to appear before an investigative team headed by an ex-FBI officer.

Now, he is learning the hard way that while the FIFA is a very powerful body, there are forces out there infinitely more powerful than the football overlords. This matter is far from finished. In fact, it has only just begun. Influential British politicians are pushing the now-cornered Blatter to pursue allegations of corruption against Warner even though he has resigned from the many positions he held. By snubbing the FBI investigator, he is adding to his perceived sins, at least in the eyes of the power brokers in Washington.

As recently as last May, Jamaica's Energy and Mining Minister, James Robertson, had his US visa revoked by the State Department, based on allegations that he was involved in a murder-for-hire plot. Robertson stoutly denied the allegations, made by an asylum-seeker from St Thomas. He nevertheless resigned from Bruce Golding's Cabinetto allow investigations into the charges to proceed unhindered.

Here, calls for Warner to step down from his ministerial post while the scandal rages, even intensifies, have met with resistance from him. He has vowed to stay on as Minister of Works. Most of his Cabinet colleagues are backing him. In the UNC, of which he is chairman, support for him staying on as "the hardest working minister" is almost unanimous. Against this groundswell, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is hardly likely to take decisive action. She would maintain the status quo and hope that the many controversies that now dog Warner would blow away.

They will not. Warner was not exonerated from allegations of corruption as both he and his attorney, Om Lalla, claim. FIFA dropped the charges after he resigned, which, not coincidentally, came after he received the damning report of FIFA's Ethics Committee. In other words, as Trinis would say, "Take in front before in front take you."

What all those who are rallying behind Warner fail to heed is that the long arms of London and Washington are also vengeful tentacles. I shall not be surprised if the State Department revokes Warner's visa. Many might ask: so what? After all, Warner has seen too much of America, and most of the rest of the world anyway, as he frequently boasts.

That point is valid only to those who seek "frequent flyer miles". This man has acted as Prime Minister, and may well do so again. Imagine, people, headlines screaming: Trinidad PM arrested in US! Unthinkable? Think again.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2011, 09:13:09 AM

Don't like to say "ah tol yuh so....."

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51963.msg711384#msg711384
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 26, 2011, 11:12:46 AM
Warner walks the plank But is FIFA any cleaner for it?
By Lasana Liburd (playthegame).


Former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner is gone for good from the corridors of football power in Zurich, Switzerland. His former deputy, CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer, now calls the shots in the most populous confederation of the western hemisphere.

And Sepp Blatter remains FIFA Presidenta position he held since June 1998. There is a fourth figure involved and he is the suspended Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Ostensibly, the 62-year-old Bin Hammam should be the key to this disgraceful scenario. It was his trip to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, via private jet on May 10two days after his birthdaythat sparked one of FIFA's worse scandals.

The Qatari millionaire stunned the football world by masterminding an unlikely success for his homeland, Qatar, as they beat United States, South Korea, Japan and Australia for the right to host the 2022 World Cup in a campaign that climaxed on December 2, 2010. A month later, he was re-elected unopposed as AFC President and, in March, turned his attention and considerable resources to the FIFA throne.

Bin Hammam supported Blatter in his 1998 and 2002 presidential campaigns although relations between the pair seemed strained at one point. The FIFA President supposedly backed Bahrain's Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa's attempt to unseat the Qatari from the FIFA Executive Committee in 2009. Bin Hammam won by just two votes.

Still, last August, as the World Cup bid campaign entered its final lap, Bin Hammam vowed not to challenge his "very good friend" for the top FIFA post.

"I will be backing him to remain in office for a new mandate," said Bin Hammam.
But, buoyed by his increased profile within the "FIFA family", he was not true to his word. His subsequent demise, just two months later, was as sudden as it was brutal.

The Qatari, according to sworn affidavits from at least four Caribbean administrators, turned up with a suitcase full of cashestimates suggest as much as US$1 millionwith the intention of buying votes for the presidential election. FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke, in an earlier email to Warner, suggested that Bin Hammam had "bought" the 2022 World Cup and spoke in disparaging terms about his new campaign.

And he was indeed found to be out of his depth. Formally charged by the FIFA's Ethics Committee for bribery, he withdrew his candidacy, a week before the elections, and Blatter was returned unopposed.

The next Ethics Committee meeting, which will study the report provided by ex-FBI Director Louis Freeh in late June or early July, should provide closure to the bribery case and the evidence appears damning.

But there are two stories herenot just the one. And, in the second, the ambitious Qatari was a helpless pawn.

The sideshow

When Warner, a Trinidad and Tobago MP, announced that his homeland would host Bin Hammam and afford him the chance to woo the Caribbean Football Union (CFU); anyone with a passing knowledge of football politics might have expected lavish gifts. Blazer, like the rest of North and Central America, was not invited.

Earlier that month, Bin Hammam did not turn up for the CONCACAF congress where Blatter made a timely presentation of developmental money for the Confederation. Warner, who is usually a vocal supporter of the President, declined to endorse the 75-year-old Swiss until he had heard from Bin Hammam.

But his subsequent meeting with the Qatari at the Port of Spain's Hyatt Hotel was a scandal and, six weeks later, continues to earn front and back page headlines.

So what went wrong?
 
A puzzle, as journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell suggested in "What The Dog Saw", is solved by gathering more information. But a surfeit of evidence can be counter-productive in deciphering a mystery. Analysis and not volume is now the key.

Bin Hammam initially scoffed at the bribery charge as a political "tactic" while Warner insisted he was "hung out to dry" and a victim of his accusers' "hypocrisy". Representatives from Grenada, Barbados, Antigua, Jamaica and Dominica declared that they were not "bribed".

On the other hand, Bahamas Football Association (BFA) Vice-President Fred Lunn claimed he was offered US$40,000 in cash at the Hyatt. CFU official Jason Sylvester offered the envelope on Bin Hammam's behalf. Lunn was not sure what he should do. So he took the money to his hotel room, arranged it into neat piles, took photographs and consulted with BFA President Anton Sealy, by telephone, before returning the cash.

Sealy, who claimed to be outraged, did not call his Caribbean counterpart, Warner, to complain. Instead, he phoned Warner's employee and friend, Blazer.

Blazer said he was "stunned" that Warner would risk CONCACAF's reputation with such tawdry behaviour. So, he had attorney John Collins investigate and then passed on the findings to FIFA General Secretary, Valcke.

Blatter claimed to have no knowledge of Blazer's investigation, which obviously boosted his chances of retaining his post, until the information reached FIFA's headquarters. Warner, Bin Hammam, Sylvester along with CFU official Debbie Minguell were charged.

Bin Hammam, intriguingly, countered that Warner informed Blatter beforehand that there would be cash payments so the President was also in breach of FIFA's moral code by failing to report this to the Ethics Committee.

Blatter admitted Warner told him about the agenda but said he advised him that it was "a bad idea" and did not know that the money was subsequently distributed. Warner denied that conversation ever happened.

So who is lying?

Perhaps, everybody is.

Most honest people offered unlawful money instinctively raise their palms towards the offending party and attempt a swift exit. They do not sign for the money and take it into a quiet corner to practise their photography. Not unless they are informants anyway.

Should old acquaintance be forgot?

Blazer is supposedly Warner's close aide and, as it turned out, Warner continued to feel that way until the super-sized American drew a dagger.

In Warner's second biography, penned just five years ago, Blazer declared that the Trinidadian was the best man for the role of FIFA President. Warner was investigated, in 1990, for turning Trinidad's National Stadium into a death trap by selling over 35,000 tickets for a ground meant to hold 23,000 for a crucial World Cup qualifier in 1989. At the same time as this public inquiry, Blazer was teaming up with Warner to run for CONCACAF General Secretary and President respectively and he stood by his side as the allegations of corruption, some proven, flowed over the years.

So why would Sealy telephone Blazer?
 
No Caribbean official ever challenged Warner without being swiftly chucked out of football. The actions of Sealy and Lunn would appear more logical if Blazer promised them protection beforehand.

But Blazer did not have the clout to provide such an assurance at the time. Warner had survived several trips to the Executive Committee before and returned unscathed. The American would need to believe that this charge would yield a different outcome.

Blatter, by his own admission, knew in advance that Warner and Bin Hammam were considering throwing bundles of cash around. And Blazer was best placed to find out if it actually happened. So were both men being honest when they denied a secret pact took place?

And the Caribbean delegates who tell a different story of the Port of Spain meeting?

You say "tomato", I say "tomatoe"; you say "bribe", I say "gift". Was it just wordplay?

When FIFA sent Warner a copy of the preliminary report and Trinidad and Tobago's Police Commissioner declared that the football body's findings would be the basis for a legal case in Trinidadmoney laundering carries a jail term there of up to 15 yearsthe flamboyant Vice-President swiftly handed in his resignation.

He had previously sneered that "Blatter must be stopped" and threatened to hit FIFA with a "tsunami". In the end, though, he declared that Blatter was still a "friend" and meekly slid away with a pension estimated to be worth as much as 23,000 per year while FIFA closed their investigation into him.

The unanswered question, not found in the affidavits or leaks, is "why". Why did Blazer and Blatter turn their backs on Warner after a political relationship that spanned 21 years without a hint of discord?

But no mystery worth its salt fails to leave the odd, tantalising question as the credits roll.

Dominican FA President Patrick John claimed, in a radio interview, that Blazer was unhappy that Warner voted for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup while the Trinidadian himself suggested that Blazer felt he "should have done more" to help the USA bid.

The World Cup bid is done by secret ballot so was John guessing which way Warner voted? Or did the former CONCACAF President confide in him?

Sealy was overlooked for a place on the CFU Executive Committee this year with Guyanese official, Colin Klass, promoted instead. Did the Bahamian feel that a change at the top would better his own career outlook?

Blazer acted unconstitutionally by trying to insert Honduran Alfredo Hawitt as acting CONCACAF President, above Barbadian Lisle Austin, within hours of Warner's suspension. Austin forced his way into the chair but then publicly announced his intention to audit the Confederation and was immediately suspended by CONCACAF and FIFA.

Austin won a court injunction against his suspension in Bahamas, where CONCACAF is registered, but FIFA ignored it and threatened further discipline for getting the courts involved.

Same old FIFA

Was Blazer seeking more control all along and was there anything in CONCACAF's accounting books that might spell trouble for him and FIFA?

And was Blatter really innocent of the sting at the Hyatt? If not, was his motive to eliminate a challenger or to punish treachery? Or was Blatter, in his last term as FIFA President, merely disposing of a political ally that he no longer needed and whose brass had needlessly increased the vitriol directed at the organisation?

The stream of information leaked to the media suggests an open and shut bribery case that is nearing an inevitable conclusion.

Jack Warner, allegedly a latter-day "Pirate of the Caribbean", was made to walk the plank. But his demise was anything but a simple affair and had precious little to do with morality.

Meet the new FIFA, same as the old one.

 :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 27, 2011, 04:52:26 AM
CAPTION THIS... - Jack and Jill ?....  :devil:

(http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/blogimg/pp24051066528.jpg)
Title: Re: Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
Post by: vb on June 27, 2011, 06:48:00 AM
Roberts to resign if Warner found guilty
ctntworld.com


Sports Minister Anil Roberts has said he would resign from the People's Partnership Government if his cabinet colleague Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner, is found guilty of corruption while he was vice-president of FIFA.
 
Mr. Warner resigned from all international football posts last week, amid investigations into alleged corruption in football's world-governing body.
 
Mr. Roberts said as COP political leader, he would not make a decision to remove 200,000 members of the party from government because of his own moral concerns.
 
"Unless an investigation comes and the facts show that Minister Warner was culpable in any unethical, immoral or corrupt act, and then the prime minister chooses not to act, we will then in the Cabinet suggest very strongly that she does act. If she fails to act then my personal decision will be to resign."
 
Anil Roberts' declaration came during the latest COP leadership election debate, held Friday night in Tunapuna.
He also insisted that he never received any financial assistance from Mr. Warner.
 
"I'm not hungry. I was very successful on TV with the most-watched programme with the most sponsors. The (highest) rated radio show. I was also a columnist and the best (swim) coach the Caribbean has ever seen. So I do not require any financial assistance from anybody at anytime."

That Lede makes no sense with the rest of the article.

So what Anil is saying is that Warner never gave him monehy or sponsored Spalk.

You mean all that ass licking cam voluntarilly - with no incentive - WOW!!!  ::)

VB
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 28, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
TRINIDAD GUARDIAN
Expert: There are laws to get goods on Warner
Published: Wed, 2011-06-29
Asha Javeed




Former FIFA vice president and Works Minister Jack Warners surprising exit from international football last week came after bribery allegations surfaced in Asian Football Federation head Mohammed Bin Hammams failed FIFA presidential bid. But had he not quit his FIFA post, Warner would have been found guilty of corruption said a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. There has been growing calls for Warner to step down from his ministerial post as it remains unclear what his involvement, if any, in the bribery allegations. Following is a look at the laws to consider as T&Ts law enforcement officers have not exercised their full rights in pursuit of the  case, says a senior lawyer who has been following the matter and has asked not to be identified.


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Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs is stalling justice if hes simply waiting for a letter from Federation of International Football Associations (FIFA) to ascertain whether there was criminal activity in T&Ts shores by former FIFA executive and Works Minister, Jack Warner. The T&T Guardian was told that Gibbs took an  overly simplistic approach in writing FIFA to assist T&Ts Police Service (TTPS) when the laws of T&T gave him power to pursue the case beyond T&Ts shores. Gibbs, under pressure from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, wrote to FIFA two weeks ago but the T&T Guardian was informed that he was yet to receive an official response. But the laws of T&T make provisions for the Police Commissioner or the Attorney General to request and obtain information on Warners hosting of a meeting with Asian football head Mohammned bin Hammam, in his quest for FIFA presidency, and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting which took place on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad.

The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority. A letter of request from T&Ts Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Section 7 reads: Where there are reasonable grounds to believe that evidence or information relevant to any criminal proceedings may be obtained, if, in a Commonwealth country: (a) Evidence is taken from any person; (b) information is provided; (c) judicial records, official records or other records, or documents or other articles are produced or examined; (d) samples of any matter or thing are taken, examined or tested; and, (e) any building, place or thing is viewed of photographed, request may be transmitted requesting that assistance be given by that country in so obtaining the evidence or information. This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesnt have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive, a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian.

Further, Sections 33E (8) and 33 (F) of the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, gives way for evidence obtained legally abroad to be admissible in T&Ts courts. This, the T&T Guardian was told, is supplemented by Section 15B of the Evidence (Amendment) Act 2007. It states: In any criminal proceedings, evidence of criminal conduct which may be contained in a document may be admissible in evidence if the document, (a) is the best or only evidence of that conduct which is alleged by the prosecution; and, (b) is obtained by or under the hand of the Attorney General in any matter related to mutual legal co-operation pursuant to the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997. The T&T Guardian understands this method of gathering evidence was used in the Basdeo Panday matter, in Piarco (No. 2) preliminary enquiry of businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Fergurson and former Minister of Energy, Finbar Ganga. When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammams $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information, states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10. In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didnt come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T, a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warners resignation and his leaving FIFA presumed innocent.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 28, 2011, 09:38:16 PM
^^^^^^ I knew you could do that.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 28, 2011, 10:35:47 PM
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 29, 2011, 12:35:26 AM
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!

I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert.  At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 29, 2011, 04:47:30 AM
It has nothing to do with FIFA
says Warner on splitting of ministry
By: Sascha Wilson (Guardian).


Unfazed by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessars decision to split his ministerial portfolio, Works Minister Jack Warner has vowed to work even harder and retain his title as the most popular minister.

Speaking with reporters at La Brea yesterday, Warner said he was not sure what responsibilities were now under his purview and that of new Transport Minister Devant Maharaj. We dont have an idea yet what the schedule is, he said. Warner said he was uncertain about the Prime Ministers logic for the split but he did not think it had anything to do with the FIFA controversy which led to his resignation from FIFA.

 Warner said: I am sure the Prime Minister is the best judge of what she does for the country and I have to abide by whatever I am asked to do. I will do it to the best of my ability. Based on the collective effort of all of us you will see us performing as never before.

Agreeing with Opposition MP Colm Imbert that ideally Works and Transport needed to be together, he recalled the split in the portfolio was done under the Basdeo Panday-led government but it did not work.

At the end of the day if it doesnt work, as it did not in the past, then we will have to review it. I am ever the optimist, he said. Warner did not foresee any difficulty in working with Maharaj whom he had worked with previously at the Public Transport Service Corporation (PTSC) and the ministry.

Asked about a recent poll that put him as the most popular minister, he said: I win the poll and I will win the poll again and again, anytime. When asked to comment on the Caribbean Airlines Ltd board, he said that was now a matter for Maharaj but he confirmed the appointments of two board members were revoked.

Warner spoke with reporters after touring the ministrys Highway Division sub-offices at Cedros and La Brea. He viewed coastal erosion at St Andrews Estate in Icacos and at Chin Kit Street, Cap-de-Ville, and the Icacos river which is to be cleaned.

The minister said he was uncertain about the extent of work he could do now but highways director Roger Ganesh he said, suggested setting up a coastal authority which he (Warner) would be exploring. Describing the dilapidated sub-offices as scandalous, Warner promised to address the situation urgently.

He promised temporary relocation until proper buildings could be constructed. I saw a toilet bowl for women which was patched up three or four times. That is unbelievable for a country like this, he added.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 29, 2011, 06:12:10 AM
Expert: There are laws to get goods on Warner
By: Asha Javeed (Guardian).


Former FIFA vice president and Works Minister Jack Warners surprising exit from international football last week came after bribery allegations surfaced in Asian Football Federation head Mohammed Bin Hammams failed FIFA presidential bid.

But had he not quit his FIFA post, Warner would have been found guilty of corruption said a member of FIFAs Ethics Committee, Sondre Kaafjord. There has been growing calls for Warner to step down from his ministerial post as it remains unclear what his involvement, if any, in the bribery allegations.

Following is a look at the laws to consider as T&Ts law enforcement officers have not exercised their full rights in pursuit of the  case, says a senior lawyer who has been following the matter and has asked not to be identified.

Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs is stalling justice if hes simply waiting for a letter from Federation of International Football Associations (FIFA) to ascertain whether there was criminal activity in T&Ts shores by former FIFA executive and Works Minister, Jack Warner.

The T&T Guardian was told that Gibbs took an  overly simplistic approach in writing FIFA to assist T&Ts Police Service (TTPS) when the laws of T&T gave him power to pursue the case beyond T&Ts shores. Gibbs, under pressure from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, wrote to FIFA two weeks ago but the T&T Guardian was informed that he was yet to receive an official response.

But the laws of T&T make provisions for the Police Commissioner or the Attorney General to request and obtain information on Warners hosting of a meeting with Asian football head Mohammned bin Hammam, in his quest for FIFA presidency, and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting which took place on May 10-11 at the Hyatt, Trinidad.

The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters.

This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority.

A letter of request from T&Ts Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Section 7 reads: Where there are reasonable grounds to believe that evidence or information relevant to any criminal proceedings may be obtained, if, in a Commonwealth country: (a) Evidence is taken from any person; (b) information is provided; (c) judicial records, official records or other records, or documents or other articles are produced or examined; (d) samples of any matter or thing are taken, examined or tested; and, (e) any building, place or thing is viewed of photographed, request may be transmitted requesting that assistance be given by that country in so obtaining the evidence or information.

This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesnt have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive, a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian.

Further, Sections 33E [8] and 33 (F) of the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, gives way for evidence obtained legally abroad to be admissible in T&Ts courts. This, the T&T Guardian was told, is supplemented by Section 15B of the Evidence (Amendment) Act 2007. It states: In any criminal proceedings, evidence of criminal conduct which may be contained in a document may be admissible in evidence if the document, (a) is the best or only evidence of that conduct which is alleged by the prosecution; and, (b) is obtained by or under the hand of the Attorney General in any matter related to mutual legal co-operation pursuant to the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997.

The T&T Guardian understands this method of gathering evidence was used in the Basdeo Panday matter, in Piarco (No. 2) preliminary enquiry of businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Fergurson and former Minister of Energy, Finbar Ganga. When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammams $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information, states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10. In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed.

If the money didnt come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T, a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warners resignation and his leaving FIFA presumed innocent.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 29, 2011, 08:01:28 AM
D GUARDIANNNNNNNNNNNN WELL WELL all yuh no longer doing Jack bidding.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 29, 2011, 09:54:12 AM
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!

I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert.  At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier.  

What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
Okay right! And the earth is flat!  ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 29, 2011, 10:44:15 AM
Now over to Bakes!   ;)

Remember that lawyer who wishes to remain unidentified is not a legal expert like Bakes is but has taken the trouble to quote relevant T&T laws that can be used by Gibbs to pursue his investigation when as most predict FIFA may refuse to co-operate wth his request for information!

I don't know if I should be flattered or worried by your fixation with calling my name, but I never dubbed myself any expert.  At any rate, thanks for the endorsement though... the anonymous "legal expert" only confirms what I said earlier. 

Nah Bakes..........
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 29, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
I await  Anand Ramlogan  has to say now ...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 29, 2011, 12:39:57 PM
What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
Okay right! And the earth is flat!  ;D

Nah Bakes..........

First of all Socapro... how you go even try an clown me and you don't even understand what the f**k it is yuh reading?  Or is it that yuh didn't understand the conversation between FS and I?  And Elan you self bawling "I knew you could do that." Do what... use the FIU to get into his banking records?  You realize that the FIU laws is Trinidad version of the Anti-Money Laundering (aka AML) laws FS and I was talking about earlier, right?  Apparently not.

Now try and follow along... Socapro I know you really need crayons, but pretty colors is the best ah could do:

(From the Bin Hammam thread...)

Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out?  Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing.  You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens.  So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you?  Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.

Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis?  Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT?  There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation.  Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start?  On what basis?  Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts.  If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash."  Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?

Now from the "expert":

Quote
The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority. A letter of request from T&Ts Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Me: Gibbs could ask the foreign police/governments to interview the CFU officials, but good luck getting anybody to make that a priority.

Expert: The Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act allows Ramlogan to send a request to the Central Authority in another Commonwealth Country and request assistance in the investigation.

Analysis: Aside from me saying Gibbs and the expert saying "Ramlogan or Gibbs"... the only difference is that the "a legal source" (not sure if is the same "expert") making it seem like they could just walk into St. Lucia and start asking FA president Patrick Mathurin questions (This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesnt have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive, a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian."), an assertion which is grossly misleading if not flat out wrong.


Now as to Jack's finances:

Quote
When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammams $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information, states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10.
In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didnt come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T, a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warners resignation and his leaving FIFA presumed innocent.

Me: (see the red highlighted part of my comments at the top) Police can't just go looking into Jack's private financial affairs unless they suspect him of committing a crime.  AML laws specifically target "irregular or suspicious financial transactions" which the banks are obligated to report.

Expert: FIU Director can send a request to get Jack Warner's bank records prior to May 10.

Analysis: FIU laws and AML laws are the same thing, but don't take my word for it, look up "Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011" and look at the AML laws link I posted in the Bin Hammam thread (or look it up online) and see fuh allyuh self.  The difference is that I say they must suspect him of being involved in criminal activity, and specifically, that he used the banks services as part of the criminal scheme.  This "expert" seems to say that even without suspicion the FIU Director could just ketch ah vaps and send a request to the bank/s.  I stand by my disagreement with that interpretation because that is not what the law says.  

Furthermore I even conceded that even if they were able to get his banking records all it would show is whether the money was withdrawn from his account in TnT.  If it doesn't show that then they could say the money was brought in thru Customs... but then they wouldn't know that he was the one (as opposed to Bin Hammam or one of his people) who brought the money thru Customs.  The Guardian "understands" all kinda misleading conclusions that they draw on their own separate to what was explained to them.  Show me anywhere in that article where the expert says they can go into non-Commonwealth countries (the Guardian says it, not this "expert") or where s/he says "There are laws to get goods on Warner" himself... as opposed to finding out how the money was brought into TnT.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 29, 2011, 12:53:55 PM
Bakes yuh twisting it, the argument started out about getting JW, but quickly went into can they investigate or not leaving out the part about convicting or locking him up. Since then the entire thread has been about whether they can investigate or not to see IF any wrong doing occured.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 29, 2011, 12:58:21 PM
Bakes yuh twisting it, the argument started out about getting JW, but quickly went into can they investigate or not leaving out the part about convicting or locking him up. Since then the entire thread has been about whether they can investigate or not to see IF any wrong doing occured.

You's ah imps or what?  Did I ever say they cannot investigate?  I said it was not a priority in light of everything Trinidad have to deal with.  FS and others then start arguing about how they must investigate.  Everything else I pointed out was about the difficulty in pursuing any investigation... especially one that would yield fruit.  How I "twisting it"... yuh can't f**king comprehend or what?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 29, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Bakes yuh twisting it, the argument started out about getting JW, but quickly went into can they investigate or not leaving out the part about convicting or locking him up. Since then the entire thread has been about whether they can investigate or not to see IF any wrong doing occured.

You's ah imps or what?  Did I ever say they cannot investigate?  I said it was not a priority in light of everything Trinidad have to deal with.  FS and others then start arguing about how they must investigate.  Everything else I pointed out was about the difficulty in pursuing any investigation... especially one that would yield fruit.  How I "twisting it"... yuh can't f**king comprehend or what?

lol
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 29, 2011, 05:56:48 PM
What that Gibbs is wasting his precious time with this investigation but is unwillingly going along with it to get Rowley & crew off his back?!
Okay right! And the earth is flat!  ;D

Nah Bakes..........

First of all Socapro... how you go even try an clown me and you don't even understand what the f**k it is yuh reading?  Or is it that yuh didn't understand the conversation between FS and I?  And Elan you self bawling "I knew you could do that." Do what... use the FIU to get into his banking records?  You realize that the FIU laws is Trinidad version of the Anti-Money Laundering (aka AML) laws FS and I was talking about earlier, right?  Apparently not.

Now try and follow along... Socapro I know you really need crayons, but pretty colors is the best ah could do:

(From the Bin Hammam thread...)

Did anyone see Burrell or Austin for instance (or their delegates) sneak the cash out?  Minus an eyewitness account you have nothing.  You can't even go ask their banks anything because TnT police cannot force foreign banks to disclose information about foreign citizens.  So what's left... get the police/governments in the foreign jurisdictions to launch an investigation for you?  Satan will sooner sprout wings and play harps in Heaven before anybody put that atop their list of priorities.

Now to Jack... if he is the one who allegedly "transferred sums illegally"... on what basis?  Because he allegedly distributed large sums of cash in TnT?  There just doesn't seem any rhyme or reason to this incessant drumbeat for an investigation.  Sure, it would be nice... but where do you start?  On what basis?  Jack isn't suspected or any criminal activity... let alone money laundering, so there's no basis for using AML regulations to get into his finances... and even then, all it will tell you (if anything) is that he withdrew large sums of cash from his accounts.  If it doesn't tell you that, then you can speculate and say "aha... then he MUST have brought in the cash."  Okay... but where's the proof that HE did?

Now from the "expert":

Quote
The T&T Guardian understands that AG Anand Ramlogan, could have requested information from other Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth countries through the Central Authority, a unit within his ministry that deals with mutual legal assistance requests and extradition matters. This power, the T&T Guardian learned, is to be found in the Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, 1997 (as amended) Chapter 11:24 of the Laws of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago. Section 3 (1) states: Subject to sub-section (2), the Attorney General shall be Central Authority. A letter of request from T&Ts Central Authority can be transmitted to a Central Authority in another jurisdiction which has the same legislation. the Guardian was informed. Section 7 of the same Act, titled Requests by Trinidad and Tobago to Commonwealth Countries for Assistance. gives either the AG or Gibbs power to pursue investigations of Warner beyond T&T shores to international countries, if need be.

Me: Gibbs could ask the foreign police/governments to interview the CFU officials, but good luck getting anybody to make that a priority.

Expert: The Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters Act allows Ramlogan to send a request to the Central Authority in another Commonwealth Country and request assistance in the investigation.

Analysis: Aside from me saying Gibbs and the expert saying "Ramlogan or Gibbs"... the only difference is that the "a legal source" (not sure if is the same "expert") making it seem like they could just walk into St. Lucia and start asking FA president Patrick Mathurin questions (This Act gives Commissioner Gibbs the authority to interview any members of the CFU if he wants. He doesnt have to wait on FIFA correspondence or a FIFA report, he can be proactive, a legal source explained to the T&T Guardian."), an assertion which is grossly misleading if not flat out wrong.


Now as to Jack's finances:

Quote
When it comes to exploring where the US currency was obtained for bin Hammams $40,000 cash payout to CFU members from local banks, provisions are made under Section 3 (1) of the Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011.

It allows the Director of the FIU to request financial information from a financial institution or listed business by written request. Where the director makes a request under sub-regulation (1), the financial institution or listed business shall respond to the request within seven working days of the receipt of the request for information, states Section 3(2). The T&T Guardian understands the FIU could have sought assistance of the local banks in obtaining the bank records of Warner before May 10.
In addition, under the Integrity in Public Life Act, Warner was expected to list all his accounts to the Integrity Commission, which should make access easier, the T&T Guardian was informed. If the money didnt come from T&T, then it can be assumed that it came into T&T, a source explained. Warner resigned from FIFA and as president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) on June 20 and was officially stripped of the tranport part of his ministerial portfolio last Sunday. Dr Rowley has called for Gibbs to press on with investigating whether the laws of T&T were broken despite Warners resignation and his leaving FIFA presumed innocent.

Me: (see the red highlighted part of my comments at the top) Police can't just go looking into Jack's private financial affairs unless they suspect him of committing a crime.  AML laws specifically target "irregular or suspicious financial transactions" which the banks are obligated to report.

Expert: FIU Director can send a request to get Jack Warner's bank records prior to May 10.

Analysis: FIU laws and AML laws are the same thing, but don't take my word for it, look up "Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago Regulations, 2011" and look at the AML laws link I posted in the Bin Hammam thread (or look it up online) and see fuh allyuh self.  The difference is that I say they must suspect him of being involved in criminal activity, and specifically, that he used the banks services as part of the criminal scheme.  This "expert" seems to say that even without suspicion the FIU Director could just ketch ah vaps and send a request to the bank/s.  I stand by my disagreement with that interpretation because that is not what the law says.  

Furthermore I even conceded that even if they were able to get his banking records all it would show is whether the money was withdrawn from his account in TnT.  If it doesn't show that then they could say the money was brought in thru Customs... but then they wouldn't know that he was the one (as opposed to Bin Hammam or one of his people) who brought the money thru Customs.  The Guardian "understands" all kinda misleading conclusions that they draw on their own separate to what was explained to them.  Show me anywhere in that article where the expert says they can go into non-Commonwealth countries (the Guardian says it, not this "expert") or where s/he says "There are laws to get goods on Warner" himself... as opposed to finding out how the money was brought into TnT.

This man good yes!! If allyuh need a good lawyer I think allyuh should hire Bakes if allyuh could afford him!

Quite enjoyed the line about me needing crayons to help me undestand! That was a good one!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 29, 2011, 08:05:42 PM
Recommended plan for tomorrow's court session:

Ignore Jackula. Laser focus on Scampito. The agenda is open de accounting books and answer the judge's question of "whey de money went?!!! Zero tolerance fuh BS answers. Take TTFF to de cleaners and let TTFF make Scamps de only scapegoat, forcing KLL to rally troops to request resignation of Scampito and Rodent as TTFF declares bankruptcy. Then let the presumed trail of "missing" dullahs in de acounts lead to a stash of brown envelopes and cartons hidden away by de stutterer. So go ahead and light de fire and doh let Jackula try to intimidate you again wit' any robber talk aabout Tsunami comin' again. Let de international and local coyotes in hiding do de job of finishin' off Jackula and his minions. Then collect de additional millions coming your way from de legal ruling as international pressure mounts in perfect timing. The world is watching. Crossroads moment. You are no longer alone. Ride de wave.

Good luck my Warriors. Hol' it dong Sancho, Kelvin, Shaka, Stern, Kenwyne, Wolfman, Cyd, Wiseman and de rest ah de crew. Keep yuh cool and doh blink. God bless.

Niceness. Respec'.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: truetrini on June 30, 2011, 06:53:02 AM
CAPTION THIS... - Jack and Jill ?....  :devil:

(http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/blogimg/pp24051066528.jpg)

diamond trim modder
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 30, 2011, 09:15:47 AM
FIFA tells Gibbs wait till bribery probe ends
By NALINEE SEELAL (Newsday).
Thursday, June 30 2011


Eighteen days after writing an official letter to international football body FIFA seeking information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of US currency entered Trinidad and Tobago (TT) sometime in May, Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday received a response to his letter.

Newsday understands that in an email response to Gibbs, FIFA stated it could not reveal any information on the allegations because FIFAs Ethics Committee was still in the process of receiving key information and it could not prejudice the probe by revealing any details.

According to the letter, FIFA claimed it was bound by certain laws which has to be adhered to, and pending the outcome of the probe, which is centred around former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, FIFA may consider sending information to the TT Police Service.

FIFA is probing bribery allegations against bin Hammam, the suspended Asian Football Confederation president, stemming from a meeting of Caribbean Football Union officials at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain last May. The claims are bribes were paid for CFU votes for his candidacy for FIFA president, which he withdrew from when suspended, which cleared the way for Sepp Blatter to be re-elected unopposed.

Works Minister Jack Warner had been suspended as FIFA vice-president over the claims pending an investigation but resigned from international football earlier this month, which led FIFA to declare that he was no longer the subject of any investigation, adding Warner was presumed to be innocent.

Attempts by Newsday to reach Gibbs proved unsuccessful yesterday, since he was reported to be in several meetings.

However, sources revealed Gibbs has taken a decision to await further information from FIFA before making public statements on whether officers will be mandated to carry out a probe on the allegations.

Senior officers of the TT Customs and Excise Division also confirmed that no probe into the FIFA allegations is taking place at this time.

Gibbs sent FIFA a letter on June 12, following a call by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US currency were brought into the country in relation to the bribery claims.

Earlier this month, the Police Service said Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into the bribery allegations and indicated FIFA would be written about whether it had information on any alleged illegal activity in this country.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 30, 2011, 09:41:58 AM
FIFA tells Gibbs wait till bribery probe ends
By NALINEE SEELAL (Newsday).
Thursday, June 30 2011


Eighteen days after writing an official letter to international football body FIFA seeking information regarding allegations that undeclared sums of US currency entered Trinidad and Tobago (TT) sometime in May, Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs yesterday received a response to his letter.

Newsday understands that in an email response to Gibbs, FIFA stated it could not reveal any information on the allegations because FIFAs Ethics Committee was still in the process of receiving key information and it could not prejudice the probe by revealing any details.

According to the letter, FIFA claimed it was bound by certain laws which has to be adhered to, and pending the outcome of the probe, which is centred around former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, FIFA may consider sending information to the TT Police Service.

FIFA is probing bribery allegations against bin Hammam, the suspended Asian Football Confederation president, stemming from a meeting of Caribbean Football Union officials at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain last May. The claims are bribes were paid for CFU votes for his candidacy for FIFA president, which he withdrew from when suspended, which cleared the way for Sepp Blatter to be re-elected unopposed.

Works Minister Jack Warner had been suspended as FIFA vice-president over the claims pending an investigation but resigned from international football earlier this month, which led FIFA to declare that he was no longer the subject of any investigation, adding Warner was presumed to be innocent.

Attempts by Newsday to reach Gibbs proved unsuccessful yesterday, since he was reported to be in several meetings.

However, sources revealed Gibbs has taken a decision to await further information from FIFA before making public statements on whether officers will be mandated to carry out a probe on the allegations.

Senior officers of the TT Customs and Excise Division also confirmed that no probe into the FIFA allegations is taking place at this time.

Gibbs sent FIFA a letter on June 12, following a call by Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley for the police to probe allegations that large sums of US currency were brought into the country in relation to the bribery claims.

Earlier this month, the Police Service said Gibbs was not guilty of dereliction of duty for not initiating a probe into the bribery allegations and indicated FIFA would be written about whether it had information on any alleged illegal activity in this country.

They very well MAY decide not to as well.  Then where does the calls for investigation turn it's focus?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 30, 2011, 09:54:17 AM
I await  Anand Ramlogan  has to say now ...
If u plan 2 hold yuh breath make sure yuh insurance paid up so dat yuh beneficiary will benefit because yuh go dead waitin.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on June 30, 2011, 03:55:15 PM
CAPTION THIS... - Jack and Jill ?....  :devil:

(http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/blogimg/pp24051066528.jpg)

Kamla: Jack yuh right yuh know. . .dese schupid people go believe anyting yuh tell dem, oui.
Jack: Yuh ain't see wah ah tell yuh awa. . .all yuh ha tuh do is wave an' flash bling
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 30, 2011, 05:18:41 PM
I await  Anand Ramlogan  has to say now ...
If u plan 2 hold yuh breath make sure yuh insurance paid up so dat yuh beneficiary will benefit because yuh go dead waitin.
:rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 05, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
Remember Warriors:

1. Take them to de cleaners.
2. Focus on Scamps and Rodent for de trail of the lost money and absence of TTFF accounts.
3. Doh study Jackulito and de robbertalk.
4. When Scamps stutters "Yuh honour we eh have no money ... an' an' an' I eh know whey it went sah", force the TTFF to take a massive hit, that they must take out a megaloan to pay as the judge orders.
5. Let Scamps be forced to resign as KLL and the others mutiny and try to protect their jobs and the treasured gravy train.
6. With Scamps gone, a whole wave of events will be triggered as people will feel safer to talk.

Don't settle fuh peanuts if Jaclkula tries again to do some behind de scenes divide and conquer.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on July 05, 2011, 05:57:30 PM
Remember Warriors:

1. Take them to de cleaners.
2. Focus on Scamps and Rodent for de trail of the lost money and absence of TTF acounts.
3. Doh study Jackulito and de robbertalk.
4. When Scamps stutters "Yuh honour we eh have no money ... an' an' an' I eh know whey it went sah", force the TTFF to take a massive hit, that they must take out a megaloan to pay as the judge orders.
5. Let Scamps be forced to resign as KLL and the others mutiny and try to protect their jobs and the treasured gravy train.
6. With Scamps gone, a whole wave of events will be triggered as people will feel safer to talk.

Don't settle fuh peanuts if Jaclkula tries again to do some behind de scenes divide and conquer.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 05, 2011, 07:31:44 PM
"force the TTFF to take a massive hit, that they must take out a megaloan to pay as the judge orders."

Problem with that is the next evoloution of TTFF will inherit a debt and this will stifle football in T&T.

What should happen (and I'm waiting for Bakes to correct me on my legal understanding!) is that once the cupboard is bare,(i.e. TTFF are forced to declare bankruptcy) an investigation into TTFF accounts should take place (on the grounds that certain known items such as 1 million swiss francs, which, I believe, was the FIFA qualification award is unaccounted for). Once any financial mis appropriation is discovered, Camps, as TTFF President, and Warner as the Chairman of 2006 LOC should be held responsible and their personal assets seized to pay the players whatever figure the judge deems fair.

Warner was ultimately responsible for all income and expenditure relating to 2006 as 2006 LOC was the appointed agent of TTFF. Camps is ultimately responsible because he should have been overseeing 2006 LOC affairs and ensured that suitable checks and balances were in place.

Camps & Warner may well blame other people such as Roden, but as I understand it, it is their ultimate responsibility as they were in such positions to ensure mis appropriation did not take place.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 05, 2011, 07:54:57 PM
"force the TTFF to take a massive hit, that they must take out a megaloan to pay as the judge orders."

Problem with that is the next evoloution of TTFF will inherit a debt and this will stifle football in T&T.

What should happen (and I'm waiting for Bakes to correct me on my legal understanding!) is that once the cupboard is bare,(i.e. TTFF are forced to declare bankruptcy) an investigation into TTFF accounts should take place (on the grounds that certain known items such as 1 million swiss francs, which, I believe, was the FIFA qualification award is unaccounted for). Once any financial mis appropriation is discovered, Camps, as TTFF President, and Warner as the Chairman of 2006 LOC should be held responsible and their personal assets seized to pay the players whatever figure the judge deems fair.

Warner was ultimately responsible for all income and expenditure relating to 2006 as 2006 LOC was the appointed agent of TTFF. Camps is ultimately responsible because he should have been overseeing 2006 LOC affairs and ensured that suitable checks and balances were in place.

Camps & Warner may well blame other people such as Roden, but as I understand it, it is their ultimate responsibility as they were in such positions to ensure mis appropriation did not take place.


I see your point but "small ting" really. To get Jackulito, get Scamps first and de whole deck of cards will fall
Title: For the Love of Jack
Post by: Tallman on July 06, 2011, 01:55:53 PM
For the Love of Jack
By Dr. Selwyn R. Cudjoe (trinicenter.com)


I have had mixed feelings about Jack's fall from grace. I have not been able to garner the venom that some have displayed toward him nor the delight others have taken in his departure from FIFA. I am yet to see how Jack's actions have so maligned Trinidad and Tobago that I have to hang my head in shame when I am in the outside world. Few Americans hang their heads in shame in light of Madoff's shenanigans.

My association with Jack goes back to the first time we met at the Tacarigua Anglican School in 1976 at a meeting of the Eddie Hart League in which, if memory serves me correctly, he was trying to take over the League or become more involved in it. The Eddie Hart League, the most popular football league at that time in which more than one hundred teams participate, was graced by the presence of football greats such as Ulric "Buggie" Haynes, Keith Aqui, Everett Gally Cummings, Jerry Brown and Leroy de Leon.

Later I got to know more about Jack's humble beginnings and followed his meteoric rise to the top of the soccer world. I admired his tenacity, intellectual prowess and sheer dogmatism that got him to where he had arrived. Jack remained the same Jack no matter how high he climbed: approachable, generous and cantankerous but a Trini in every essential sense of the term. Even at the height of his power, Jack had no problem dropping by the hotel at which we stayed in Germany and bringing tickets for a few of us to see the USA vs. Italy game during World Cup 2006. And, he wined and dined us as though we were kings.

Jack also did a lot for Caribbean football. During his reign two teams from the smallest island nations in the world (Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica) made it to the World Cup, a feat that was unprecedented. Because of Jack several Caribbean footballers now play in the top football leagues around the world. One observer notes: "Let's see what happens to Caribbean football in the next ten years now that Jack is gone."

Jack was also generous. One could always turn to Jack if one's organization had a problem and needed help. He kept his little book, it is true, but it was not as if he made his money, by fair means and/or foul, and kept it for himself. It was almost as though he was playing the Robin Hood role in black skin: liberating goods from the rich to ease the sufferings of the poor.

I am not here to commend Jack's behavior nor to set him up as the ultimate champion of ethics (although I am sure he had an ethics of his own) or morality in pubic affairs. Jack worked for FIFA which many have described as a mafia-styled organization. No one expected him to act as a choir boy in such an organization when its ethics demanded that one acted otherwise. And so he played the part to the hilt.

As in everything else, fame and fortune prevent one from seeing what is possible and what constitutes over-reacting. Sometimes, one forgets at one's peril that no matter how high a black man gets in any organization he still remains a black man or worse an appellation that begins with the infamous "n" word. You do not insult kings and presidents; prime ministers and chancellors and believe that one can get away scotch free.

And then he became much too flamboyant. He challenged Step Blatter, invited Ben Hamman to Port of Spain, and participated (so it is alleged) in giving out of funds without regard to its consequences. He threw caution to the wind; bet on the wrong horse and lost. My mother used to say, "You do and do until yo' overdo." Eventually, Jack over did.

A spectacular chapter of Jack's life has come to an end and now his career is on the decline. But who is willing to forget the excitement the nation felt when we saw our colors flying at the World Cup in 2006. Who would forget-I certainly can't forget-the playing of the British national anthem followed by our national anthem as we faced Britain in the first round of the qualifying matches? On that day, more than any other, I felt as an authentic Trini, bereft of the negations that centuries of English colonialism had imbibed within us.

One cannot be proud of how Jack treated the players who brought such glory to our country. They should not have had to go to court to get their just due. That remains a blemish on Jack's outstanding stewardship. Nor can one be proud of the many persons who felt victimized because they were not in Jack's camp. The stories of discarded coaches, maligned players and wronged officials fill our ears with sadness. This is a side of Jack that he might regret one day.

But Jack had another side of which we can all be proud. Garth Crooks, a former Tottenham Hotspurs footballer and broadcaster for the BBC, put it best when I spoke with him in London on Sunday. He said: "Whatever else you think of Jack Warner, you have to respect what he achieved for Caribbean football on the world stage and that is glory he enough." Crooks should know. He represented England in soccer and knows the working of FIFA well.

Jacks is 68 years old, a man at the beginning of old age. He should take comfort in the affection that many of us hold for him. On his seventieth birthday, Rubindranath Tagore, one of India's greatest poets and statesmen, reflected on the adulation that was bestowed on him and said: "We offer someone our devotion according to the measure of his greatness, our respect according to the measure of his competence; but affection uses no rule of measurement. When love begins its homage it gives itself entire."

Jack participation in national politics remains a challenging issue. Undoubtedly, I will say something about this in the future. For now, I acknowledge my affection for him and offer him my homage. There is much about him of which the nation should be proud.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on July 06, 2011, 02:19:31 PM
Cudjoe musbe get wined and dined extensively to come out wit da one
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 06, 2011, 03:05:23 PM
Ah coulda overlook de "Step Blatter" and de "Ben Hamman" if he wasn't talking so much shit otherwise.  Jack responsible for Caribbean footballers having a chance to kick ball overseas? Dat's only half as dotish as the comparison to Madoff.  America known for a lot of things, in the grand scheme of things the Bernie Madoff scandal pales by comparison... limited to affecting only the US, and the rich in the US at that.  No one sees that as a reflection on "America".  But what is Trinidad most known for right at this moment?  The most corrupt man in all of corrupt FIFA being forced to resign in shame... and go back to his TnT Government job.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 06, 2011, 07:32:18 PM
Ah coulda overlook de "Step Blatter" and de "Ben Hamman" if he wasn't talking so much shit otherwise.  Jack responsible for Caribbean footballers having a chance to kick ball overseas? Dat's only half as dotish as the comparison to Madoff.  America known for a lot of things, in the grand scheme of things the Bernie Madoff scandal pales by comparison... limited to affecting only the US, and the rich in the US at that.  No one sees that as a reflection on "America".  But what is Trinidad most known for right at this moment?  The most corrupt man in all of corrupt FIFA being forced to resign in shame... and go back to his TnT Government job.

Yeah, and I was willing to overlook the cock up about "playing Britain" and "English colonialism". He tried to be balanced, but really, how does it sound when he's telling stories about Jack bringing tickets and being wined & dined like kings? I very much doubt if that was Jacks money being spent.

I do believe Jack is generous, and I do believe he has put his own money into football. However, I feel because of that, he looked to regain the funds in other ways, and theres the issue. I'm sure Jack & TTFF's, CFU's and CONCACAF's funds are so entwined that money has been spent incorrectly. Whether or not it was meant in an honest way, its still wrong.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on July 06, 2011, 07:47:12 PM
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No  ???  #notsosure
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 07, 2011, 07:03:27 AM
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No  ???  #notsosure

But then, if a good man is a whistle blower, he is disrespected and his motives are questioned!! Look how people here saying the countries who confirmed they received brown envelopes just did it as part of a US/Mexico conspiricy!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 09:31:35 AM
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No  ???  #notsosure

But then, if a good man is a whistle blower, he is disrespected and his motives are questioned!! Look how people here saying the countries who confirmed they received brown envelopes just did it as part of a US/Mexico conspiricy!!

Do you know for fact that any of those men are indeed "good"? 


This is the thing that disgusts me most about this whole situation... everyone knows how corrupt Jack is.  EVERYONE knows for fact how corrupt FIFA is.  Allyuh really want intelligent folks to believe that this is the first time something like this ever happened??  Why all the "whistleblowing" NOW... of all times?

Give me a frigging break.  People finding courage when it's convenient for them to do so and otherwise smart people tripping all over themselves to congratulate them for their acts of 'honesty'.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on July 07, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
So if a good man in an organization that does pillage and plunder innocent people then we should expect him to do the same. I always thought that a good person walk away from and exposed such underhandedness. No  ???  #notsosure

But then, if a good man is a whistle blower, he is disrespected and his motives are questioned!! Look how people here saying the countries who confirmed they received brown envelopes just did it as part of a US/Mexico conspiricy!!

I just dealing with the part of the article that talk about  - paraphrasing here " we know the type of mafia organization that FIFA is.....". I was not calling anyone in particular a good man. Just questioning as to how things operate in these fellas head when they rationalizing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 07, 2011, 12:54:49 PM
Bakes, I agree there are no innocent parties in this sordid mess. However, I would disagree that the people who are chirping and finding the "courage" to speak out are doing so out of mere convenience. I would say fuel that has powered their whistleblowing is "opportunity". Never before has the opportunity existed to make a charge stick.

Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power. Once Blatter stated this would be his last term as FIFA president and World Cups for the next two cycles have been selected, Jack's leverage and ultimate power significantly diminished. People who have held numerous grievances against Jack have been lining up for years and now is their time to act.


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 01:13:37 PM
Bakes, I agree there are no innocent parties in this sordid mess. However, I would disagree that the people who are chirping and finding the "courage" to speak out are doing so out of mere convenience. I would say fuel that has powered their whistleblowing is "opportunity". Never before has the opportunity existed to make a charge stick.

Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power. Once Blatter stated this would be his last term as FIFA president and World Cups for the next two cycles have been selected, Jack's leverage and ultimate power significantly diminished. People who have held numerous grievances against Jack have been lining up for years and now is their time to act.




So....

Explain to me the difference between "convenience" as I have termed it, and "opportunity" as you have defined it?  I think we can both agree that any difference is mere semantic rather than substantive.  It is a fair assumption that some of these self-same "good" men saw corruption taking place before and turned a blind eye to it.  Whether that was because they sanctioned the corruption or because they felt impotent to act against it, that is just a rationalization of the degree of moral equivocating in which they engaged.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 07, 2011, 03:25:25 PM
The motivation of the whistleblowers should not indicate whether or not they are not "good". The "goodness" of the people is almost irrelevant.

In fact, the difference between "convenience" and "opportunity" is that one is based on self-service while the other one is not. The CFU countries that turned on Jack may or may not benefit from his fall. In many ways, they may end up as regional pariahs for years to come. However, they saw the opportunity to speak up without worrying Warner's influence would cause them to be hung out to dry by the people they entrusted. Whereas, it is convenient for the British press to go out of their way to destroy Jack because they felt personally aggrieved and want satisfaction.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 03:57:35 PM
The motivation of the whistleblowers should not indicate whether or not they are not "good". The "goodness" of the people is almost irrelevant.

In fact, the difference between "convenience" and "opportunity" is that one is based on self-service while the other one is not. The CFU countries that turned on Jack may or may not benefit from his fall. In many ways, they may end up as regional pariahs for years to come. However, they saw the opportunity to speak up without worrying Warner's influence would cause them to be hung out to dry by the people they entrusted. Whereas, it is convenient for the British press to go out of their way to destroy Jack because they felt personally aggrieved and want satisfaction.

So in short, the "opportunity" to act has always been there (assuming this isn't the first time they've been aware of a bribe), it just wasn't convenient for them to do so before.  Your own take on the matter confirms as much, when they thought they would be "hung out to dry" they lacked (ignored) the opportunity to act.  Once they felt it was 'safe' to act without fearing Jack they suddenly found the opportunity... if that isn't "self service" then I don't know what is.

It is convenient for them to act now because they sensed that Jack was vulnerable.  Thanks for making my point.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 07, 2011, 04:38:49 PM
No. Try to imagine that you could be wrong every once in a while and take this into consideration. The five CFU country representattives who blew the whistle seized upon the opportunity to stop Jack from continuing his errant ways EVEN THOUGH to do so may not have been convenient because their actions may come with a steep price to their own careers. Now, if I still haven't lost you; the English press acting on a purely self-serving level, find it convenient to initiate investigations against Jack because of his supposed role in the world cup fiasco.

So it is not about semantics, it's about context. Convenience and Opportunity are two distinct items. To make it CONVENIENT for you, check out dictionary.com then take the OPPORTUNITY to at least acknowledge that you aren't an obnoxious know it all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 04:55:23 PM
No. Try to imagine that you could be wrong every once in a while and take this into consideration. The five CFU country representattives who blew the whistle seized upon the opportunity to stop Jack from continuing his errant ways EVEN THOUGH to do so may not have been convenient because their actions may come with a steep price to their own careers. Now, if I still haven't lost you; the English press acting on a purely self-serving level, find it convenient to initiate investigations against Jack because of his supposed role in the world cup fiasco.

So it is not about semantics, it's about context. Convenience and Opportunity are two distinct items. To make it CONVENIENT for you, check out dictionary.com then take the OPPORTUNITY to indicate that you aren't an obnoxious know it all.

Even my own sometimes vivid imagination cannot conjure up a scenario under which I am wrong on this one.  You're wasting your time with your errant barbs about consulting dictionary, so try yuh best.  All this other talk about the English press is what's known as a red herring, since yuh have yuh dictionary close at hand try looking it up.  Whether I come off to you as an "obnoxious know it all" matters as much to me as does the depth to which you normally insert your head up your ass... whatever makes you happy run with it.

If you any grasp of reading comprehension you'd note that I never said that there is no difference between "convenience" and "opportunity", but thanks for trying to explain... I'm sure somebody will find that useful.  What I did say is that there is no substantive difference between what I termed "convenience" and what you termed "opportunity"... if I haven't lost you, you should be able to appreciate that the focus of the "semantics" isn't on the terms themselves but rather on the substance of the two perspectives. 

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Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power.

Assuming that they have witnessed corruption before (the premise upon which the entire discussion is founded) then the gist of your argument is that the CFU officials now have an "opportunity" to stand up to Jack because he's not as powerful as he has been in the past... to which I counter that they are merely acting now since it it convenient for them to do so, precisely because there are no recriminations to be felt.  You now try to switch tack to argue that they are acting even though there might be a penalty to pay.... quite different from your initial statement, but nice try.  The fact is that substantively the two viewpoints are the same, even if you fail to acknowledge that.  Now if that's still hard for you to follow then have the 5-year old next to you in class explain it for you.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 07, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
Ahh Bakes, you're off your meds again. The only red herring being offered is located in your absolutely stupid response.

You claim to have "never said" there is no difference between "convenience" and "opportunity" but then you go ahead and state there is "no substantive difference between what I termed "convenience" and what you(me) termed "opportunity".

You can compare my reading comprehension to a five year old all you want but you're just plain wrong on that piece of tata you wrote. 

Your original statement seemed to say that those who have recently decided to speak out against Jack are less than virtuous and are only chirping because it is convenient to do so. I disagreed and said the opportunity to speak out and get results availed itself, whether it was convenient or not. Jack can still hurt a number of people through his influence. That is the gist of my argument and why I think your belief on their motives is misplaced. The terms we favor are not interchangeable nor is your viewpoint the same as mine. In fact, I didn't even state your initial viewpoint was wrong; I just disagreed. But you are wrong about there not being a (substantive) difference between opportunity and convenience. Since it seems beneath you to refer to the dictionary here are the two definitions. Please read once you've taken your head out of your ass.

A. opportunity
   /ˌɒpərˈtunɪti, -ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled[op-er-too-ni-tee, -tyoo-] Show IPA
noun, plural -ties.
1.an appropriate or favorable time or occasion: Their meeting afforded an opportunity to exchange views.
2.a situation or condition favorable for attainment of a goal.
3.a good position, chance, or prospect, as for advancement or success.

B.convenience
   /kənˈvinyəns/ Show Spelled[kuhn-veen-yuhns] Show IPA
noun
1.the quality of being convenient;  suitability.
2.anything that saves or simplifies work, adds to one's ease or comfort, etc., as an appliance, utensil, or the like.
3.a convenient  situation or time: at your convenience.

There is nothing convenient about whistleblowing on a very powerful figure who still has friends.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 07, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
Bin Hammam hopes for a fair Fifa ethics hearing
Press Association
Jul 7, 2011 
The National

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/bin-hammam-hopes-for-a-fair-fifa-ethics-hearing


Mohamed Bin Hammam has expressed his hope that he will receive a fair hearing when he appears before Fifa's ethics committee on bribery charges later this month.

The 62-year-old Qatari has been suspended since May 29 while an investigation into the claims that he organised cash gifts totalling US million (Dh3.67m) to Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials while campaigning for the Fifa presidency.

Bin Hammam said he was disappointed by continuous leaks of confidential information and hopes that the investigation has identified whether there had been attempts directly or indirectly by him to buy votes.

"I am still looking for and hoping to receive a fair hearing one which will not be influenced by any political agenda or motivation," he said on his website.

"I hope that the decision will be made solely by the members of this committee and based solely on the facts presented and not based on assumptions or the wishes of people outside the committee."

Bin Hammam also repeated his earlier claim that "there has been a bias against me".

Fifa's ethics committee will meet on July 22 and 23 to hear the case against Bin Hammam, who had been the Asian Football Confederation president until his suspension.

The investigations by the committee has been completed and their report has been sent to the Qatari.

The ethics committee will also hear the cases of Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, the two CFU officials who were also suspended along with the Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

Warner is no longer under investigation following his resignation from football-related activities.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
Ahh Bakes, you're off your meds again. The only red herring being offered is located in your absolutely stupid response.

You claim to have "never said" there is no difference between "convenience" and "opportunity" but then you go ahead and state there is "no substantive difference between what I termed "convenience" and what you(me) termed "opportunity".

You can compare my reading comprehension to a five year old all you want but you're just plain wrong on that piece of tata you wrote. 

Your original statement seemed to say that those who have recently decided to speak out against Jack are less than virtuous and are only chirping because it is convenient to do so. I disagreed and said the opportunity to speak out and get results availed itself, whether it was convenient or not. Jack can still hurt a number of people through his influence. That is the gist of my argument and why I think your belief on their motives is misplaced. The terms we favor are not interchangeable nor is your viewpoint the same as mine. In fact, I didn't even state your initial viewpoint was wrong; I just disagreed. But you are wrong about there not being a (substantive) difference between opportunity and convenience. Since it seems beneath you to refer to the dictionary here are the two definitions. Please read once you've taken your head out of your ass.

A. opportunity
   /ˌɒpərˈtunɪti, -ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled[op-er-too-ni-tee, -tyoo-] Show IPA
noun, plural -ties.
1.an appropriate or favorable time or occasion: Their meeting afforded an opportunity to exchange views.
2.a situation or condition favorable for attainment of a goal.
3.a good position, chance, or prospect, as for advancement or success.

B.convenience
   /kənˈvinyəns/ Show Spelled[kuhn-veen-yuhns] Show IPA
noun
1.the quality of being convenient;  suitability.
2.anything that saves or simplifies work, adds to one's ease or comfort, etc., as an appliance, utensil, or the like.
3.a convenient  situation or time: at your convenience.

There is nothing convenient about whistleblowing on a very powerful figure who still has friends.


All that I need to say can be summarized by responding to this... there is nothing at all contradictory about what I said.  I'll briefly reiterate, I never said the two terms mean the same thing... ignore the terms that we assigned to the motive (me "convenience", you "opportunity") and from a substance standpoint ("substantively") we are saying the same thing.  Not that "convenience" and "opportunity" means the same. It's really not that difficult to understand... but understandably you're having problems with it.  I appreciate you cutting and pasting from the dictionary though... apparently you needed the exercise.

Of course now, X amount of responses later we're no longer saying the same thing because you've changed your tune.  Whereas before you said "Never before has the opportunity existed to make a charge stick....the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power."  Not the opportunity to speak out... the opportunity to act and "make it stick" is what you said.  If 'virtue' is what motivated them then whether the complaints bear fruit or not, the same way they aired the infractions now they could have aired them in the past.  Now your tune change to "the opportunity to speak out and get results availed itself, whether it was convenient or not."

Call me obnoxious, stupid... call what I write "tata" all you want, the impotency of your words is evidently lost on you.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 07, 2011, 10:07:11 PM
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All that I need to say can be summarized by responding to this... there is nothing at all contradictory about what I said.  I'll briefly reiterate, I never said the two terms mean the same thing... ignore the terms that we assigned to the motive (me "convenience", you "opportunity") and from a substance standpoint ("substantively") we are saying the same thing.  Not that "convenience" and "opportunity" means the same. It's really not that difficult to understand... but understandably you're having problems with it.  I appreciate you cutting and pasting from the dictionary though... apparently you needed the exercise.

That's where you are getting tripped up. What you and I were saying was NEVER the same thing. You were questioning the whistleblowers motive and I was not. It's not that hard to understand but the cutting and pasting the definitions should allow even you to understand the difference between the two terms and how they are used.


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Of course now, X amount of responses later we're no longer saying the same thing because you've changed your tune.  Whereas before you said "Never before has the opportunity existed to make a charge stick....the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power."  Not the opportunity to speak out... the opportunity to act and "make it stick" is what you said.  If 'virtue' is what motivated them then whether the complaints bear fruit or not, the same way they aired the infractions now they could have aired them in the past.  Now your tune change to "the opportunity to speak out and get results availed itself, whether it was convenient or not."

I never said virtue was an issue or questioned the CFU whistleblowers; you did. Nice try on the duck season/rabbit season incantation. You've made some decent arguments in the past; this is certainly not one of them.

To say they were motivated by convenience (your argument) does not take into consideration that a more vulnerable Jack is not necessarily the same as a Jack that has no power. But it is not a surprise you would take the words out of context.  When... is used in such a manner, its usually done to shoe horn a bad argument.


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Call me obnoxious, stupid... call what I write "tata" all you want, the impotency of your words is evidently lost on you.


"the impotency of your words"? Really, that's the best you can do?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 10:27:24 PM
It seems ridiculous that I should even have to confront you with your own words, but...

...Before the FIFA election and 2018/22 World Cup announcements, the opportunity to act upon Jack's numerous infractions (alleged) simply did not exist because he held too much power. Once Blatter stated this would be his last term as FIFA president and World Cups for the next two cycles have been selected, Jack's leverage and ultimate power significantly diminished. People who have held numerous grievances against Jack have been lining up for years and now is their time to act.

The opportunity to publicize Jack's corruption didn't exist "because he held too much power"... now "Jack's leverage and ultimate power significantly diminished"... so people who have been lining up for years now realized "is their time to act". 

The focus on Jack's diminished power could mean one of two things... he was so powerful that he controlled their mouths with his psychic powers and prevented them from talking until now... or he was so powerful that they were afraid to talk out against him... until now.  Yes, clearly I've been taking your words out of context, I now see the error of my ways.


Moving on.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 07, 2011, 11:01:21 PM
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It seems ridiculous that I should even have to confront you with your own words, but...

No more than I have to confront you with your own.

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Explain to me the difference between "convenience" as I have termed it, and "opportunity" as you have defined it?  I think we can both agree that any difference is mere semantic rather than substantive.

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If you any grasp of reading comprehension you'd note that I never said that there is no difference between "convenience" and "opportunity", but thanks for trying to explain

Sounds like a contradiction doesn't it?

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The focus on Jack's diminished power could mean one of two things... he was so powerful that he controlled their mouths with his psychic powers and prevented them from talking until now... or he was so powerful that they were afraid to talk out against him

It can also mean those who stayed silent did so because they knew nothing would come about if anything was said and why bother. Once again, there are no innocent parties here but I think you had mistaken "opportunity" for "opportunistic" in your claim that we were saying the same thing.

Ciao.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on July 07, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
Allyuh 2 to educated yes...Allyuh coulda just agree on "Jack get jacked", instead ah all the literary cricket...buh ah check the match anyway...plenty voop..buh let's say draw... :rotfl: :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 07, 2011, 11:36:54 PM
Sounds like a contradiction doesn't it?

Only to a simpleton... the use of quotes (these nuh --->""<----) should have clued you in to the fact that I was referring to the "as I have termed it" and the "as you define it" elements.  Like everything else that went over yuh head.

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It can also mean those who stayed silent did so because they knew nothing would come about if anything was said and why bother. Once again, there are no innocent parties here but I think you had mistaken "opportunity" for "opportunistic" in your claim that we were saying the same thing.

Ciao.



Right and by your reckoning they affirmatively chose to not say anything before... not that anything was preventing them from saying anything.  So it wasn't about "opportunity" after all.



Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on July 08, 2011, 12:33:30 AM
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Only to a simpleton... the use of quotes (these nuh --->""<----) should have clued you in to the fact that I was referring to the "as I have termed it" and the "as you define it" elements.  Like everything else that went over yuh head.

Whether you "termed it" or I "define it" is irrelevant; the fact is you first claimed there was no difference in our positions then you claimed that you never said there was no difference. Pettifog all you want, your words are your words.

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Right and by your reckoning they affirmatively chose to not say anything before... not that anything was preventing them from saying anything.  So it wasn't about "opportunity" after all.


So it's not about "opportunity" because those who had a chance to speak up before didn't do so, hmmm? By your logic, before the May meeting would you consider that a reasonable opportunity existed to complain about Jack within CONCACAF? The meeting that took place at the Hyatt coupled with Jack's vulnerability created the opportunity to make changes. To act upon that opportunity could have been convenient for some but certainly not for all.

You also described one of two scenarios that could have been caused by Jack's power. One of the choices you provided was another one of your stupid attempts at sarcasm. The other choice was that members were too scared to say anything. I just added a second plausible reason; they may have been looking and waiting for the right opportunity. But in your constipated thought, you probably think that also means they were looking for a convenient moment. Now, one MAY be determined by self serving means (opportunity) while the other is DEFINITELY determined by self serving means (Convenience).

Now be a good boy and go to bed, you need your rest.


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 08, 2011, 04:23:47 AM
Warner: I didn't vote for Qatar
Guardian.co.uk
.

Jack Warner has described as "nonsense" claims by one of his close associates that he voted for Qatar instead of the United States to be hosts of the 2022 World Cup, the London Guardian reported yesterday.

Warner was, until his resignation last month three weeks after his provisional suspension on corruption charges, president of CONCACAF made up of countries from North and Central America and the Caribbean, as well as a FIFA vice-president.

According to the Guardian, as CONCACAF president it would have been shocking for Warner to have backed Qatar over the USA, one of the countries in his confederation.

But Patrick John, president of the Dominica Football Association and a long-time ally of Warner, claims that he did vote for Qatarand that the charges against Warner were a result of a conspiracy organised in response by the USA and England.

John told local radio in Dominica: "The whole thing is a conspiracy against Jack Warner. Jack promised the United States to push for the World Cup but when the thing came along at FIFA level Jack supported Qatar. That hurt the United States.

"Jack promised the English FA to push for the World Cup for them, but Jack sided with Russia so these two federations are up in arms against Jack. They are the only federations making trouble."

Warner insisted that was not the case, saying in an e-mail: "If Mr John did say so then that is nonsense but I imagine that one day all of this foolishness will come to an end."

Warner and fellow FIFA member Mohamed bin Hammam were provisionally suspended after being charged with bribery. It was alleged they organised cash gifts totalling US$1 million to Caribbean Football Union officials while Bin Hammam was campaigning for the FIFA presidency.

Bin Hammam expressed his hope that he will receive a fair hearing when he appears before FIFA's ethics committee later this month.

The 62-year-old said he was disappointed by "continuous leaks of confidential information".

He said on his website: "I am still looking for and hoping to receive a fair hearingone which will not be influenced by any political agenda or motivation.

"These proceedings were initiated based on the allegations of vote buying. I hope that, by now, the investigation has identified whether or not there had been attempts by medirectly or indirectlyto buy votes, particularly from those who claimed to have received these monies.

"I hope that the decision will be made solely by the members of this committee and based solely on the facts presented and not based on assumptions or the wishes of people outside the committee."

Bin Hammam repeated his earlier claim that "there has been a bias against me".

FIFA's ethics committee will meet on July 22 and 23 to hear the case against Bin Hammam, who had been the Asian confederation president until his suspension.

The ethics committee will also hear the cases of Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, the two Caribbean Football Union officials who were also suspended. FIFA dropped the investigation against Warner following his resignation from football-related activities, saying he was no longer under their jurisdiction.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 09, 2011, 12:40:00 PM
Corruption Currents
The Wall Street Journal
7/7/11


http://blogs.wsj.com/corruption-currents/2011/07/07/high-tide-from-new-bin-hammam-evidence-to-bribery-for-nuclear-technology/?mod=google_news_blog

 :'(
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 10, 2011, 07:10:39 AM
Warner gets shaft from PM (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=54048.msg750203#msg750203)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 11, 2011, 11:43:22 AM
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on July 11, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).

WHAT?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 11, 2011, 12:15:12 PM
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).

Sorry Coops, how can you possibly blame this on the British PM and press? This is all about Kamlas insecurities and Jack not knowing how to manage up. Jack should realise that when you have a boss, its their vanity you place before your own. Same mistake Anil made that cost him the COP leadership.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 11, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).

Sorry Coops, how can you possibly blame this on the British PM and press? This is all about Kamlas insecurities and Jack not knowing how to manage up. Jack should realise that when you have a boss, its their vanity you place before your own. Same mistake Anil made that cost him the COP leadership.
       Sorry if i did not explin myself properly,i'm not into what going with Jack and Kamla and them,what i'm trying to show is what's going on in England write now,i guess you are not following or interested in that,is only T&T does have coruption,these things happen every where is just that we shame.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on July 11, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
The British at it again but this time it's their own,their prime minister is the main culprit,i love the British press (transpearancy).

Sorry Coops, how can you possibly blame this on the British PM and press? This is all about Kamlas insecurities and Jack not knowing how to manage up. Jack should realise that when you have a boss, its their vanity you place before your own. Same mistake Anil made that cost him the COP leadership.
       Sorry if i did not explin myself properly,i'm not into what going with Jack and Kamla and them,what i'm trying to show is what's going on in England write now,i guess you are not following or interested in that,is only T&T does have coruption,these things happen every where is just that we shame.

AGAIN... WHAT??

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 12, 2011, 04:12:37 AM
Jack Warner: I may return to FIFA
By: Richard Lord (Guardian).


Former vice president of FIFA, Jack Warner, says he has unfinished business with the world football governing body and he may return in due course. Warner, who is also the Works Minister of T&T, made the comment during an interview after a visit to a dredging exercise in Sea Lots, Port-of-Spain, yesterday.

Asked if he considered FIFA a closed chapter, Warner said: I will not say no because you can never tell what the future holds. There are some unfinished business which I will have to finish in both FIFA and CONCACAF at the appropriate time and who knows I may go back.

He was responding to a newspaper story which claimed he was warned by CONCACAF general secretary about certain matters relating to the infamous CONCACAF meeting at the Hyatt Regency in T&T several months ago. Allegations of bribery were subsequently made against Warner and others following that meeting. He said he was in FIFA for 30 years and the only expert on the FIFA in this country is me and in the fullness of time I will tell this country what FIFA is and what FIFA is not. He said citizens were free to say what they wanted about FIFA at this time. Let them talk, Warner added.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on July 12, 2011, 06:43:27 AM
Jack Warner: I may return to FIFA
By: Richard Lord (Guardian).


Former vice president of FIFA, Jack Warner, says he has unfinished business with the world football governing body and he may return in due course. Warner, who is also the Works Minister of T&T, made the comment during an interview after a visit to a dredging exercise in Sea Lots, Port-of-Spain, yesterday.

Asked if he considered FIFA a closed chapter, Warner said: I will not say no because you can never tell what the future holds. There are some unfinished business which I will have to finish in both FIFA and CONCACAF at the appropriate time and who knows I may go back.

He was responding to a newspaper story which claimed he was warned by CONCACAF general secretary about certain matters relating to the infamous CONCACAF meeting at the Hyatt Regency in T&T several months ago. Allegations of bribery were subsequently made against Warner and others following that meeting. He said he was in FIFA for 30 years and the only expert on the FIFA in this country is me and in the fullness of time I will tell this country what FIFA is and what FIFA is not. He said citizens were free to say what they wanted about FIFA at this time. Let them talk, Warner added.

This man could real grand charge yes!! We were most disappointed with his tsunami and now this as if Jack has any say or power in returning to FIFA!  ::)

This is just a prelude to Jack admitting he is going to continue being involved in strangling/controlling our football locally if we allow him and going against FIFA's orders for him to no longer be involved in world football in any capacity or else bribery investigations against him will be reopened!!

The 2006 world cup players need to press for every penny of the bonus money the TTFF owing them!! This will keep Jack from continued control of our football via his puppet Camps who will have to go if the TTFF has to declare bankruptcy!

TTFF is a member of the CFU which is a member of CONCACAF region of FIFA so any involvement by Jack in the TTFF means he is involving himself in FIFA matters.

Ah know certain men on here only waiting for Jack to give Camps the slightest bit of advice to start telling FIFA on him so the next few weeks could be interesting as Jack already getting FIFA corruptioin withdrawal symptoms!  :P
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 14, 2011, 07:44:35 PM

http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Wacky_Whacked_Warner/wacky_whacked_warner_is_now_father_of_his_nation.html

 :-\
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on July 20, 2011, 06:37:02 AM
So that is what happen to the tsunami.....


Jack: My e-mail account was hacked

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack__My_e-mail_account_was_hacked-125867463.html

By Anna Ramdass

Government Minister Jack Warner has said his e-mail account has been hacked.

Warner, the Minister of Works and Infrastructure and former vice-president of FIFA, had used the e-mail address jawfifa@aol.com for a number of years.

In the heat of the FIFA controversy where he was embroiled in allegations of bribery, Warner changed his e-mail address to jackawr@aol.com.

Yesterday, an e-mail was circulated stating Warner had once again changed his e-mail address to dsurvivor2011@aol.com.

The Express asked Warner last night by phone why he changed his e-mail address so regularly.

He responded: "I can't get into my mails. After 15 years, my e-mails have been erased ... since this issue with FIFA someone hacked into my mail."

Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.

But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2011, 06:43:37 AM
"He responded: "I can't get into my mails."

Probably just forgot his new password  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on July 20, 2011, 08:02:05 AM
I suspect that Janice Thomas is the culprit.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on July 20, 2011, 08:03:57 AM
Jack is kicks oui...padnah piggyback on on rupert murdoch scandal while it still fresh
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on July 20, 2011, 08:45:35 AM
Jack is kicks oui...padnah piggyback on on rupert murdoch scandal while it still fresh

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 20, 2011, 11:06:45 AM
Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.

But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.
 
...AND THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT TO WHO AGAIN ?????
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on July 20, 2011, 12:12:33 PM
So that is what happen to the tsunami.....


Jack: My e-mail account was hacked

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack__My_e-mail_account_was_hacked-125867463.html

By Anna Ramdass

Government Minister Jack Warner has said his e-mail account has been hacked.

Warner, the Minister of Works and Infrastructure and former vice-president of FIFA, had used the e-mail address jawfifa@aol.com for a number of years.

In the heat of the FIFA controversy where he was embroiled in allegations of bribery, Warner changed his e-mail address to jackawr@aol.com.

Yesterday, an e-mail was circulated stating Warner had once again changed his e-mail address to dsurvivor2011@aol.com.

The Express asked Warner last night by phone why he changed his e-mail address so regularly.

He responded: "I can't get into my mails. After 15 years, my e-mails have been erased ... since this issue with FIFA someone hacked into my mail."

Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.

But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.


That is Jack's fault!! Jack must learn to change his password every so often!!

Maybe Camps was looking for evidence of the 2006 World Cup accounts to save himself making ah jail!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on July 20, 2011, 12:20:46 PM
Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.

But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.
 
...AND THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT TO WHO AGAIN ?????

Jack Horner
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: JDB on July 20, 2011, 01:28:56 PM
So that is what happen to the tsunami.....


Jack: My e-mail account was hacked

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack__My_e-mail_account_was_hacked-125867463.html

By Anna Ramdass

Government Minister Jack Warner has said his e-mail account has been hacked.

Warner, the Minister of Works and Infrastructure and former vice-president of FIFA, had used the e-mail address jawfifa@aol.com for a number of years.

In the heat of the FIFA controversy where he was embroiled in allegations of bribery, Warner changed his e-mail address to jackawr@aol.com.

Yesterday, an e-mail was circulated stating Warner had once again changed his e-mail address to dsurvivor2011@aol.com.

The Express asked Warner last night by phone why he changed his e-mail address so regularly.

He responded: "I can't get into my mails. After 15 years, my e-mails have been erased ... since this issue with FIFA someone hacked into my mail."

Warner said he was told his e-mail was compromised and had a "fair idea'' as to what was happening.

But he said he would make a statement and deal with the issue at a later time.


The most notable thing there is that it have a man still registering email address with AOL.

He must be missing Compuserve and Prodigy bad.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 22, 2011, 03:18:50 PM
Countdown to de real financial tsunami.

Take dem to de effin' "dry" cleaners Warriors. No mercy fuh Scamps, Rodent and by extension Jackula. Be focused and pay close attentiion. Jackula's playbook see-through plan is to drag this out long enough to create overlap with world cup qualifiers starting in August 2011, which would cause some players to theoretically geh desperate, assuming desire for career-defining picks on de national side with Pfister. The presumption is that there would be panic because of wishes to avoid the Jackula-created fatwa-like blacklist. Jackula is hoping that this will cause defections to weaken the lawsuit. Well most players have already had thier last rodeo and just want their retirement morney, so nice try.

Sancho, talk to yuh Warrior bredren and tell dem to hol' tight. Iz war. Y'all will prevail.  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: TdotTrini on July 22, 2011, 10:01:39 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14256797.stm

Jack Warner gave cash to official, document obtained by BBC claims


Page last updated at 18:43 GMT, Friday, 22 July 2011 19:43 UK


The BBC has obtained a document detailing claims that Jack Warner handed a senior Caribbean football official a locked case containing envelopes of cash to be distributed to members of the Caribbean Football Union at a special meeting promoting Mohamed Bin Hammam's Fifa presidential bid.

The allegation is contained in a report by the CFU general secretary Angenie Kanhai. The two page document, on CFU headed paper and dated 15 July 2011, was prepared for Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke but was to be sent via the CFU's executive committee.

It is understood this document has now been submitted to the ethics committee investigating claims that Bin Hammam tried to bribe members of the CFU with gifts of 40,000 each. Kanhai has travelled to Zurich, where the hearing is taking place, and, crucially, was expected to give evidence on Friday.

Warner, Bin Hammam and two CFU officials, Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, refused to co-operate with Fifa's ethics committee investigation, carried out by former FBI director Louis Freeh.

So the apparent co-operation of such a senior figure at the top of the CFU - Warner was effectively Kanhai's boss - is a significant development.

In a series of bullet points, signed by Kanhai, a detailed account is given of what happened during the meeting of the CFU at the Hyatt Hotel, Trinidad on May 10-11. The document states:

"I was directed to coordinate the special meeting of the CFU by Mr Jack Warner, who was at that time, president of the CFU. Mr Warner initially requested the meeting be held by April 18, 2011, but the May date was ultimately agreed.

"The purpose of the special meeting was to provide Mr Bin Hammam with the opportunity to address the delegates from the CFU.

"On May 10, 2011, Mr Warner advised me that he had gifts, which were to be distributed to the delegates. Mr Warner did not tell me what the gifts were, but advised that they were to be distributed from the Hotel (sic) that afternoon. After consulting with my staff, Jason Sylvester and Debbie Minguell, I suggested to Mr Warner that the gifts be distributed between 3PM and 5PM that day.

"During the morning session on May 10, Mr Warner made an announcement to the attendees about picking up the abovementioned (sic) gift. I was told that I should come to his office to collect the gifts that were to be distributed.

"I arrived at Mr Warner's office at approximately 2.30PM on May 10 and collected a locked bag with the key in the front pocket.

"The bag contained 26 envelopes, these envelopes were unmarked and were folded and sealed. I did not see any envelopes opened and left Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester to distribute the envelopes.

"The next day I met Debbie and Jason for breakfast at the hotel and they advised me that the envelopes had contained cash."

Continue reading the main story

It's not unusual for such things to happen and gifts have been around throughout the history of Fifa. What's happening now for me is hypocrisy
Jack WarnerSpeaking on 20 June 2011
The report goes on to say:

"In speaking with the representative from the Bahamas I was advised that he had returned the envelope. The representative from the Turks and Caicos returned the envelope to Ms Minguell on the morning of May 11 2011.

"After the meeting I was contacted by Mr Warner who asked that the bag and any remaining gifts be returned to him."

Although Bin Hammam, Minguell and Sylvester all face being banned from football following the ethics committee hearing, all the charges against Warner were dropped last month after he resigned from Fifa and his powerful positions in Caribbean football.

Witnesses from some of the 25 CFU associations offered money have stated that the idea of giving cash gifts originated with Warner. But despite giving up his football posts he has repeatedly denied direct involvement in the bribery plot.

In a statement dated 20 June, Warner said: "I am convinced that since my actions did not extend beyond facilitating the meeting that gave Mr Bin Hammam an opportunity to pursue his aborted bid for the Fifa presidency, I would be fully exonerated by any objective arbiter."

Kanhai's account of events in Trinidad suggests then that Warner was more implicated in the bribery scandal than he has previously admitted.

But while the report shows a clear chain of command between Warner and the officials who allegedly distributed the money, it does not prove a direct link between the cash and Bin Hammam.

Leaked details of Freeh's report into the affair concluded that although there is no smoking gun there is "convincing circumstantial evidence" that he was behind it.

When contacted by phone by the BBC this week, Kanhai refused to comment on the claims she had been handed the controversial case of money by Warner.

Kanhai did not return a number of calls immediately prior to the publication of this story while repeated requests for comment from Warner received no response.

The new evidence emerged as Fifa's ethics committee began hearing the case against Bin Hammam. Earlier in the day the 62-year-old Qatari, suspended from all football activity on May 29, released a statement appearing to concede defeat in his bid to clear his name.

"Despite the weakness of the case against me, I am not confident that the hearing will be conducted in the manner any of us would like," he said. "It seems likely that FIFA has made its decision weeks ago. So, none of us should be completely surprised if a guilty verdict is returned."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Jack Horner on July 23, 2011, 08:00:51 AM
BBC = Bullshit Broadcasting Corporation.

Jack will raise again.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 24, 2011, 06:14:14 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Cloud_over_Jack_as_Bin_Hammam_banned-126072053.html

Jackulito in deep deep deep trouble. Possible nervous breakdown coming.
 
Sancho, Shaka, Kelvin, Stern, Kenwyne, Anthony, Evans, Cyd and posse .. you and your legal representatives, keep focused like a laser on the court case coming up at the end of this month. With this FIFA ruling above and the bacchanal to follow, the timing couldn't be better to play hardball with the "show-me-where-de-morney-went" request and put the final financial nail in the coffin of Scampito, Rodent and Jackulito. Go easy on dah 200,000 dullahs yeh got, save and wait fuh de real morney to come.

Crossroads moment in T&T football history. TTFF will collapse shortly and be reborn.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 24, 2011, 06:32:31 AM
BANS FOR T&T DUO
Minguell, Sylvester get 1-year FIFA suspensions
T&T Express Reports.



Trinidadians Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester are among three football officials who were yesterday banned by the FIFA Ethics Committee, under the chairmanship of Petrus Damaseb of Namibia.

The pair, Caribbean Football Union (CFU) employees, were banned from taking part in any football-related activity (administrative, sports or any other) for a one-year period after they were found to have breached various articles of the FIFA Code of Ethics. Asian Football chief Mohamed bin Hammam was banned for life.

The decisions were taken during a two-day meeting of the Ethics Committee held in Zurich on 22-23, July 2011. Damaseb, a judge from Namibia, also called for a second wave of investigations.

Damaseb's five-man panel asked FIFA's legal department to prepare cases against officials who attended bin Hammam's campaign stop at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Port of Spain. Those present included executive committee members Worawi Makudi of Thailand, Vernon Manilal Fernando of Sri Lanka and Hany Abou Rida from Egypt. Caribbean soccer leaders believed to have taken Bin Hammam's bribes, and denying to FIFA investigators that any corruption took place, are also under suspicion as well.

Furthermore, CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer (FIFA Executive Committee member) received a warning for comments he made on May 30 at the CONCACAF Caucus held in Zurich. These comments suggested some CFU members were "under investigation".

At the time that was not true. FIFA's panel also dismissed an additional CFU complaint that Blazer's comment was racially motivated.

However, facing the harshest sanction was Asian Football Federation president bin Hammam, also a member of FIFA's executive committee.

The case centered on bin Hammam's campaign visit to former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner's native T&T for a May 10-11 meeting to lobby CFU members.

The Caribbean nations hold 25 of FIFA's 208 votes and were considered key to defeating Blatter. However, whistleblowers revealed they sat through bin Hammam's pitch at the Port of Spain hotel, then lined up outside a different room to collect a "gift". Inside, CFU staff handed over brown envelopes stuffed with US$40,000 in four piles of US$100 bills.

Minguell and Sylvester both worked for Warner, and were accused by several CFU members such as Puerto Rico, the Bahamas and Suriname of giving them parcels containing cash. Former FIFA vice-president and CFU president Warner, who facilitated Bin Hammam's meeting with the CFU officials, was also implicated in the scandal. The charges against Warner were subsequently dropped after he resigned, but FIFA say they would be renewed if he ever returns to football.

Damaseb dismissed suggestions that Warner, who also surrendered his jobs as president of the CONCACAF confederation and CFU, had disrespected FIFA's legal process.

"I think everybody would have wanted him to appear, to stand and justify and ... explain his conduct, and he chose not to do that," the judge said. "He (Warner) is presumed innocent."

Bin Hammam has become the most senior official convicted of corruption in the governing body's 107-year history. His lawyer said he maintained his innocence and rejected the findings based on "so-called circumstantial evidence".

"He will continue to fight his case through the legal routes that are open to him," lead counsel Eugene Gulland told reporters. Bin Hammam can challenge his life ban at the FIFA appeals body and then the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

"We are confident of the strength of our case and invite FIFA to make available now to the media a full transcript of these proceedings," Gulland said in a prepared statement.

Bin Hammam has claimed the case was politically motivated to stop him challenging Blatter, who was re-elected unopposed last month three days after the Asian Football Confederation president withdrew his candidacy.

Bin Hammam didn't cooperate with a FIFA investigation or attend the hearing. He wrote on his website Friday, while the FIFA panel sat in session, that he expected a guilty verdict.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 24, 2011, 08:16:42 AM
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2011, 10:02:04 AM
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.

Kangaroo court justice at it's best.  But part of it is their fault they shoulda cooperate by going and telling their side of it.  Forget about second-guessing, all they had to say is "yes, I knew there was money in that envelope, but I didn't know what it was for or where it was from.  Mr. Warner just told me that FIFA had sent money for the CFU membership."  I think FIFA was even paying their airfare to Zurich. But is like a plague affecting TnT football administrators... bad advice after bad advice... and they keep following it.  Read well between the lines and it not hard to figure out where it coming from.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 24, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.

in some instances yes it is.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 24, 2011, 11:37:29 AM
Ok, what I don't understand is why Minguell & Sylvester have been punished. It is not their role to second guess instructions given by their boss. Unless they actually conspired themselves, all they did was arrange to give out "gifts". Surely, it is Warners responsibility to determine if those gifts are legal or not. Now it appears that these two people have no income for 12 months, while Warner is still financially stable. This can't be right.

Kangaroo court justice at it's best.  But part of it is their fault they shoulda cooperate by going and telling their side of it.  Forget about second-guessing, all they had to say is "yes, I knew there was money in that envelope, but I didn't know what it was for or where it was from.  Mr. Warner just told me that FIFA had sent money for the CFU membership."  I think FIFA was even paying their airfare to Zurich. But is like a plague affecting TnT football administrators... bad advice after bad advice... and they keep following it.  Read well between the lines and it not hard to figure out where it coming from.

Yeah, you're right I guess. If they co operated they may have got off, but their loyalties were in the wrong place. I hope Jack is going to replace their salaries for next 12 months.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 24, 2011, 11:55:26 AM
What I'd like to know, maybe Flex could help with his contacts like KLL, whether money is now going into the TTFF accounts for first time in recent history, instead of a into the mystery accounts of certain spethall advithor with a tie tongue. So if TTFF supervises the Olympic team in Dominica, does the team get money from Concacaf for advancing to the next round? Will TTFF release accounts some day to show a skeptical public or would they still have something to hide. Will KLL support that or say "I eh involve in dat, ask Rodent".

I recommend to Sancho and crew.... When yuh drive a stake into Camps's coffin at the end of this month and demand answers to the past financial crimes,  also request of the judge to insist his Jown Jackula-style fatwa, that future TTFF administrators pledge to release yearly accounts of business or face the full brunt of the law and personal garnishing of wages. We cyah accept any less especially from this blog. Coop's ah hope yuh hearing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 24, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
What I'd like to know, maybe Flex could help with his contacts like KLL, whether money is now going into the TTFF accounts for first time in recent history, instead of a into the mystery accounts of certain spethall advithor with a tie tongue. So if TTFF supervises the Olympic team in Dominica, does the team get money from Concacaf for advancing to the next round? Will TTFF release accounts some day to show a skeptical public or would they still have something to hide. Will KLL support that or say "I eh involve in dat, ask Rodent".

I recommend to Sancho and crew.... When yuh drive a stake into Camps's coffin at the end of this month and demand answers to the past financial crimes,  also request of the judge to insist his Jown Jackula-style fatwa, that future TTFF administrators pledge to release yearly accounts of business or face the full brunt of the law and personal garnishing of wages. We cyah accept any less especially from this blog. Coop's ah hope yuh hearing.
       Dreamer,i done boy,why you trying to call me out,any money from Concacaf check Blazer that's allyu boy he in control now,the money transparent.Ah hearing you every day with the same tune all the time,keep it up. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 25, 2011, 07:02:25 AM
Jack: All will be revealed in Fifa
Radhica Sookraj (Guardian).


Former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner says he is not yet ready to speak about the football governing bodys decision to ban Mohamed bin Hammam for life. He told reporters yesterday that it was not a good time to speak out about the issue. Warner, who was at the Moruga RC Church for the start of Heritage Week activities yesterday, did not give a direct answer when he was asked for his views on the FIFA ruling.

If people believe that bin Hammam deserves what the FIFA Ethics Committee says they have given him, I have news for them, he said. In this country, everybody claims to be an expert but there is only one Fifa expert in this country and the only expert in FIFA is me. I say that unashamedly. This whole scenario hasnt played out yet; it isnt even half way there.

In the fullest of time you will see. Probed further regarding his chances before the Ethics Committee, Warner said: There is a time to speak and a time to stay quiet, and right now is a time to stay quiet. In the fullness of time everything will be revealed, he added.

Bin Hammam has been banned from football for life, after being found guilty of attempting to buy votes ahead of last months FIFA presidential election. The 62-year-old Qatari withdrew from the election, leaving Sepp Blatter to be re-elected unopposed.

Saturdays decision makes bin Hammam the most senior figure to be banned by FIFA in its 107-year history. The former head of the Asian Football Confederation is now unable to be involved in any kind of football-related activity at national and international level for life, FIFA Ethics Committee deputy chairman Petrus Damaseb said.

Bin Hammam, along with Warner, was suspended after a leaked report revealed that four Caribbean Football Union (CFU) associations were either offered money, or saw the offence occur, during a meeting in May.

It was alleged that cash-stuffed envelopes containing up to US$40,000 were handed to the delegates during the meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain. The report said there was comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming proof that bribes had been paid to officials to support bin Hammams campaign for the FIFA presidency, and that Warner had facilitated this.

Warners resignation from FIFA last month meant he did not have to face the Ethics Committee.Two other officials from the CFU, Trinidadians Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, were each banned from football-related activity for a year for their involvement in the bribery attempt.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 25, 2011, 07:19:48 AM
Like Jack have a book deal or what? "Allyuh goh read about the truth in the book" Steuups......
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on July 25, 2011, 07:59:23 AM
Like Jack have a book deal or what? "Allyuh goh read about the truth in the book" Steuups......

ah tink de working title thus far is 'Ah will raise again'
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on July 25, 2011, 08:59:43 AM
ah tink de working title thus far is 'Ah will raise again'

"In de the fullness of time... Ah will raise again"

by Austin "Jack" Horner
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2011, 09:08:21 AM
In the fullest of time you will see. Probed further regarding his chances before the Ethics Committee, Warner said: There is a time to speak and a time to stay quiet, and right now is a time to stay quiet."

At last Jack is l;earning the art of Public Relations. (Or is it just that he actually has nothing to say, a bit like the much promoted "tsunami")

Strange thing here is that bin Hammam must have be told the outcome as Jack was told, prior to the statement. He could have retired too. My only belief is that he's going to bring a lot of FIFA wheeler-dealing into the open and finish off Blatter in public. The danger for Jack is that this may further incriminate him!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: GunnerStunner on July 25, 2011, 09:39:23 AM
incriminate him yes but there are no criminal or illegal deals that went down, just unethical which is sad.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 25, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
In the fullest of time you will see. Probed further regarding his chances before the Ethics Committee, Warner said: There is a time to speak and a time to stay quiet, and right now is a time to stay quiet."

At last Jack is l;earning the art of Public Relations. (Or is it just that he actually has nothing to say, a bit like the much promoted "tsunami")

Strange thing here is that bin Hammam must have be told the outcome as Jack was told, prior to the statement. He could have retired too. My only belief is that he's going to bring a lot of FIFA wheeler-dealing into the open and finish off Blatter in public. The danger for Jack is that this may further incriminate him!
      Exactly.What going to happen is since these guys have been exposed everybody will get exposed,it does not mean they are innocent but it will show that nobody in this whole thing is innocent,JW has the whole history of FIFA's operation being involved with the organization 30yrs so it's no hear say he was FIFA,FIFA will really have to clean up it's act when Bin Hammam and JW done with them.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 25, 2011, 01:33:24 PM
Football supporter I am wondering what kind of justice is this? The workers get charged for carrying out the boss instructions! I guess they were advised by the lawyers or loyalty to their boss! I guess Jack will reward them and pay them for the year! But what about their character? No one will hire them as they can be seen as co-conspirators in crime! I don't think there is a price one can fix for loss of character! But Jack into a corner now . He cannot speak on any matter of integrity or corruption by the PNM! St Cyr have the last laugh!
He just have to wok,wok and wok and hope someone will pardon him!

He has interfered with the careers of too many of our national football heroes! I don't think there is any pity among the real football fans and football fraternity! Every hog have it's Saturday !
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2011, 05:48:36 PM
Football supporter I am wondering what kind of justice is this? The workers get charged for carrying out the boss instructions! I guess they were advised by the lawyers or loyalty to their boss! I guess Jack will reward them and pay them for the year! But what about their character? No one will hire them as they can be seen as co-conspirators in crime! I don't think there is a price one can fix for loss of character! But Jack into a corner now . He cannot speak on any matter of integrity or corruption by the PNM! St Cyr have the last laugh!
He just have to wok,wok and wok and hope someone will pardon him!

He has interfered with the careers of too many of our national football heroes! I don't think there is any pity among the real football fans and football fraternity! Every hog have it's Saturday !

There is a FIFA precedent for this. When FIFA got fined for the Mastercard saga, Jerome Valcke, I believe took the rap and lost his job. 6 months later, he returned to FIFA in a higher paid position (cynics would say that that was his reward for throwing himself in harms way to save his bosses)

Also, remember Jack let his son carry the can for the wc ticket fiasco and he's now a big shot in CFU and only a quarter of the fine was ever paid.

My guess is that the two are on full salaries and if the wrong people still in charge next year, they will return to better paid jobs. It will be interesting to see if their jobs are advertised.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 25, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
Interesting ! I will await to see what the future hold for these two! They are  probably two young people trying to make it? I would like to see what they look like. I don't recall seeing their pictures in the newspapers!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2011, 08:42:23 PM
Interesting ! I will await to see what the future hold for these two! They are  probably two young people trying to make it? I would like to see what they look like. I don't recall seeing their pictures in the newspapers!

Don't know anything about Debbie, but I know a guy who went to school with Jason, so he's around 34 years old. Apparently, he wasn't into football, but his Dad and Jack were friends.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 27, 2011, 03:57:00 AM
No probe on JackGibbs
T&T Guardian Reports.


Theres so far no move to launch any local probe against Jack Warner in connection with the FIFA investigation which found Mohammed bin Hammam guilty on bribery allegations, Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs has indicated.

Gibbs was asked about the situation after FIFAs verdict against bin Hammam was issued last weekend. Warner was initially bin Hammams co-accused in the allegations. He subsequently resigned from FIFA and was not part of the investigation.

PNM senator Fitzgerald Hinds had written Gibbs a month ago, seeking the probe on Warner. Gibbs said then he was awaiting information from FIFA. Hinds last Sunday called for Gibbs to move forward with it, after the FIFA verdict against bin Hammam who was being investigated for allegedly offering regional football representatives bribes of US$40,000 at a May 10 meeting at the Hyatt to support his bid for the FIFA presidency.

When the allegations broke, bin Hammam shelved his bid for the presidency against FIFA jefe Sepp Blatter. In last weekends verdict, FIFAs Ethics Committee also banned Trinidadians Debbie Minguel and Jason Sylvester of the Caribbean Football Union from FIFA activities for a year.

The committee mandated a second wave of probes against Caribbean football organisations regarding the issue and has given them until today to explain their part in the May meeting. Yesterday, Gibbs confirmed the situation was still on hold where T&T police were concerned. He said it would remain that way until local authorities get some direction from FIFA. Any action, he added, would depend on FIFAs report. Gibbs said until FIFA said it required T&T police help, action was on hold. Warner has said the issue was not over yet. (GA)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 27, 2011, 06:32:40 AM
"Gibbs said until FIFA said it required T&T police help, action was on hold." 

Unbelievable. Gibbs now waiting for a football organisation to request T&T law enforcement for help? What possible help could they want? FIFA employed their own investigators to clean up this mess. We now have two Trinis found guilty and a minister who resigned rather than face an enquiry, yet Gibbs still not suspicious.

I feel I need to assist Mr Gibbs with another matter as he seems unable to detect suspicious activity.......Mr Gibbs, you may want to take a little look into your policemen shooting 3 people dead in a "car chase" in Moruga. Its really tricky to shoot a person in the throat and another 6 times in the back when they are moving in a car. Its also a bit strange when a man walks towards police, is arrested and arrives at hospital dead from a bullet wound. Its also bizarre that the 3 "police" weapons used weren't registered as police weapons. This is not a good time to wait for Smith & Wesson to request your assistance.

Do yuh wuk, Gibbs, stop running marathons and grow some balls. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on July 27, 2011, 11:35:32 PM
Jacko and Campo went up the hill to fetch a bag of dollars,
where they incidentally met Humpty Dumpty,
jacko fell down and cracked his crown,
And Campos you go crack yours after.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on July 28, 2011, 12:32:45 AM
"Gibbs said until FIFA said it required T&T police help, action was on hold." 

Unbelievable. Gibbs now waiting for a football organisation to request T&T law enforcement for help? What possible help could they want? FIFA employed their own investigators to clean up this mess. We now have two Trinis found guilty and a minister who resigned rather than face an enquiry, yet Gibbs still not suspicious.

I feel I need to assist Mr Gibbs with another matter as he seems unable to detect suspicious activity.......Mr Gibbs, you may want to take a little look into your policemen shooting 3 people dead in a "car chase" in Moruga. Its really tricky to shoot a person in the throat and another 6 times in the back when they are moving in a car. Its also a bit strange when a man walks towards police, is arrested and arrives at hospital dead from a bullet wound. Its also bizarre that the 3 "police" weapons used weren't registered as police weapons. This is not a good time to wait for Smith & Wesson to request your assistance.

Do yuh wuk, Gibbs, stop running marathons and grow some balls. 

That thing is rel bachannal. The man the police "wanted" was not even in the car. They shoot up his car, but he was in another car ahead of his. Anyway back to the thread.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 28, 2011, 02:38:50 AM
"Gibbs said until FIFA said it required T&T police help, action was on hold." 

Unbelievable. Gibbs now waiting for a football organisation to request T&T law enforcement for help? What possible help could they want? FIFA employed their own investigators to clean up this mess. We now have two Trinis found guilty and a minister who resigned rather than face an enquiry, yet Gibbs still not suspicious.

I feel I need to assist Mr Gibbs with another matter as he seems unable to detect suspicious activity.......Mr Gibbs, you may want to take a little look into your policemen shooting 3 people dead in a "car chase" in Moruga. Its really tricky to shoot a person in the throat and another 6 times in the back when they are moving in a car. Its also a bit strange when a man walks towards police, is arrested and arrives at hospital dead from a bullet wound. Its also bizarre that the 3 "police" weapons used weren't registered as police weapons. This is not a good time to wait for Smith & Wesson to request your assistance.

Do yuh wuk, Gibbs, stop running marathons and grow some balls. 

That thing is rel bachannal. The man the police "wanted" was not even in the car. They shoot up his car, but he was in another car ahead of his. Anyway back to the thread.

...and mind you, claim that they found a gun belonging to a known criminal in the car.  Criminals registering dey guns now?


but yeah... back to de regular scheduled programming.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 28, 2011, 06:53:26 AM
Yeah guys, sorry to wander off track, but that issue vexed me. And now Gibbs backing down over the FIFA thing. I know some don't see the need to investigate, but I'm obsessed with it now!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinitozbone on July 28, 2011, 02:53:58 PM
I think Anjanie Kanhai has some useful evidence that Gibbs can use! Where is the AG in all this! Not a word from him!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on August 04, 2011, 12:22:59 PM
Dirty rotten bastard

http://www.bigsoccer.com/wp/bill-archer/2011/08/02/dirty-rotten-bastards/
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on August 04, 2011, 02:48:35 PM
"The problem is, they dont have it. Warner stuffed it into an account controlled by one of his sons for a business that has since been closed, and the money long ago disappeared into Warners Cayman Islands bank accounts.

But Oliver Camps, president of the TTFF, cant ask Jack for the money back and so, sadly, the Trinidad & Tobago fed has begun paying it off out of their own funds. However, since theyre pretty much broke too, theyre paying it off in small monthly installments.

This has led to them having to cancel national team matches which they had scheduled in preparation for CONCACAF qualifying"

I never heard this before??? And I have it on good authority that TTFF are NOT paying monthly payments, nor have they agreed to do so.

So, what is this journo's source, because it the latter is incorrect, maybe so is the former.

Its interesting to read about Jack lending Bin Hammam $250k. Why would a multi millionaire need $250k?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on August 04, 2011, 03:43:37 PM
"The problem is, they dont have it. Warner stuffed it into an account controlled by one of his sons for a business that has since been closed, and the money long ago disappeared into Warners Cayman Islands bank accounts.

But Oliver Camps, president of the TTFF, cant ask Jack for the money back and so, sadly, the Trinidad & Tobago fed has begun paying it off out of their own funds. However, since theyre pretty much broke too, theyre paying it off in small monthly installments.

This has led to them having to cancel national team matches which they had scheduled in preparation for CONCACAF qualifying"

I never heard this before??? And I have it on good authority that TTFF are NOT paying monthly payments, nor have they agreed to do so.

So, what is this journo's source, because it the latter is incorrect, maybe so is the former.

Its interesting to read about Jack lending Bin Hammam $250k. Why would a multi millionaire need $250k?

This is the same Bill Archer that I said banned me from commenting on his blog... about a month ago I tried correcting the record that Jack didn't steal any money from the Soca Warriors that the dispute was over a broken promise... not stolen funds.  Archer is only concerned with vilifying Jack Warner personally... not truth, or in the larger sense, justice.  Notice how he characterized Blazer's deal with CONCACAF as being "legitimate" or whatever word it was that he used.

I read this blog a couple days ago and could only shake my head.  I saw Royal post the link here... and could only shake my head.  We should not be providing this idiot any more of an audience.
Title: Where's Jack
Post by: Jah Gol on August 09, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
He missing ?
Title: Re: Where's Jack
Post by: spideybuff on August 09, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
Nah i see him las thursday. He around
Title: Sweet Man Jack
Post by: Tallman on August 23, 2011, 07:16:42 AM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-08-23-11-1a_Miss_T&T_Independence_-_22.8.11_(1).jpg)

SWEET MAN JACK: Standing between these six beautiful women who are contestants in the upcoming Miss Independence Pageant, Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner couldn't help but feel like a sweet man as he posed with the beauties who paid him a courtesy call yesterday at his office in Port-of-Spain.
Title: Re: Sweet Man Jack
Post by: Coop's on August 23, 2011, 12:50:43 PM
(http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-08-23-11-1a_Miss_T&T_Independence_-_22.8.11_(1).jpg)

SWEET MAN JACK: Standing between these six beautiful women who are contestants in the upcoming Miss Independence Pageant, Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner couldn't help but feel like a sweet man as he posed with the beauties who paid him a courtesy call yesterday at his office in Port-of-Spain.
      Tallman yu wicked,you have no right to post a picture like that on here,this have nothing to do with Football.Like the man can't go away,he keeps resurfaceing all over the place.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on August 23, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
where are the Indian girls? I vehemently protest this portrait of non-inclusivity!!!!!This is a racial and  multicultural society!!! :devil:
Title: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: Tallman on September 09, 2011, 11:14:07 AM
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk


Jack Warner has accused Fifa of "devastating lives" and damaging football in the Caribbean in an attempt to clean up its image. Fifa, which last month charged 16 Caribbean officials over the bribery scandal, has also terminated a multimillion-pound TV rights deal with the Caribbean Football Union.

Warner, who resigned as Fifa's vice-president and CFU president in June after being charged with bribery, said he had been prepared to be the "sacrificial lamb" and had been led to believe Fifa would not pursue the matter.

Fifa last month announced the names of the Caribbean officials who would face ethics committee proceedings in connection to the meeting in Trinidad on 10 May which led to the former presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam being banned for life for giving bribes totalling around $1m (610,000).

"When I resigned from Fifa of my own volition, it was because I was prepared to pay the ultimate price and become the sacrificial lamb for alleged wrongdoings prior to the Fifa elections," Warner said. "I was led to believe that that would have been the end of the matter as far as I was concerned.

"Never did I believe that Fifa would have engaged in such an acrimonious battle with the Caribbean Football Union, an organisation which for 33 years has served Fifa well and demonstrated its loyalty not only to Fifa but its president [Sepp Blatter].

"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.

"All this has been perpetuated by the men of Fifa's gentry who were once viewed as friends of the CFU. This is done in the name of seeking to cleanse Fifa of all corruption."

Warner criticised Fifa for not investigating Chuck Blazer, the US Fifa member who blew the whistle on the bribery. Blazer, who worked under Warner as general secretary of Concacaf for more than a decade, has confirmed he receives a percentage of the federation's sponsorship deals as part of his salary package.

Warner added: "To maintain their whiteness, their whistleblower must never be tainted and so their [Fifa's] bias, their prejudice and their partiality continue unabated favouring a certain kind of people and damning another."

Fifa terminated a multimillion-pound 2014 World Cup TV deal with the CFU after discovering the rights had been sub-licensed to a company owned by Warner. The CFU was told in a letter from Fifa it had not approved the sub-licensing deal with Warner's company JD International (JDI). Warner sold the rights to the Jamaica-based cable TV station SportsMax in 2007 for a fee reported to be between $18m and $20m, though that included the 2010 World Cup as well. Fifa was owed several payments dating back to 2009 for the rights, which covered 29 Caribbean countries.
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: palos on September 09, 2011, 11:49:08 AM
Jack Warner is yesterday's news.

Relegated to the ultimate punishment for somebody like him.  Irrelevance.
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 09, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk



"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.
"

FIFA took a page out of your book jack  :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: weary1969 on September 09, 2011, 11:56:54 AM
Jack Warner is yesterday's news.

Relegated to the ultimate punishment for somebody like him.  Irrelevance.

He still fel he is 2day because after all yday is yday and 2day is 2day.
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: vb on September 09, 2011, 12:02:37 PM
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk



"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.
"

FIFA took a page out of your book jack  :devil: :devil:

You read my mind.

VB
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: E-man on September 09, 2011, 12:54:15 PM
'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
guardian.co.uk



"Such ignoble pursuit has nothing to do with the cleansing of corruption within Fifa but rather to offer the perception of an aura of cleansing within Fifa. In their pursuit they have devastated the lives of many persons, destroyed many golden friendships which were forged over the years and sadly affected generations of footballers to come within the region of the Caribbean.
"

FIFA took a page out of your book jack  :devil: :devil:

You read my mind.

VB

I was going to say did he read that off his resume?
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: Football supporter on September 10, 2011, 12:50:51 AM
I actually rewrote this whole article so it was about the SOE, changing Warner to Robocop & FIFA to the govt, but then I figured the govt might close down the forum!

I find Jack is real jokey, claiming the sacrificial lamb position. I agree that FIFA are going all out to close him down, but that is deserved. I just hope they next go after Blazer and the rest of the FIFA cabal, but of course, that won't happen while Blatter is in charge.
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: Trinitozbone on September 10, 2011, 01:34:38 PM
In agreement with all comments above! Jack damaged so many lives of footballers , rode their backs to get high position in FIFa, killed local football, destroy communities, changed the structure of the leagues to gain control and put his minions in charge! Getting a taste of his own medicine!
Sometimes I wonder if this man schitzoprenic! He does  the  same he is accusing others of doing! I hear him talking about stamping out  corruption in Trinidad the other day! He must make God laugh!
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: dreamer on September 10, 2011, 06:39:02 PM
Live by de sword, die by ....
Title: Re: 'Sacrificial lamb' Jack Warner launches new attack on FIFA
Post by: Socapro on September 12, 2011, 01:02:57 PM
On behalf of Jack Horner, Diamondtrim & the rest of the crew I would like to say....

Jack 'Sacrificial lamb' Warner will raise again!! :violin: :violin: Jack 'Sacrificial lamb' Warner will raise again!! :violin: :violin: Jack 'Sacrificial lamb' Warner will raise again!! :violin: :violin:
Title: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: davidephraim on October 12, 2011, 02:26:18 AM
Former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25,000 to Caribbean delegates.
By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter (Telegraph).


Jack Warner has been caught on tape apparently urging fellow Caribbean officials to accept cash gifts from Mohamed Bin Hammam, the disgraced former presidential candidate.

Telegraph Sport has seen the remarkable footage in which Warner, the controversial former vice-president of Fifa, appears to be recorded telling other members of the Caribbean Football Union members they must decide whether to accept the gifts of $40,000 (25,000) each, and urging them to vote for Bin Hammam rather than Sepp Blatter in the Fifa presidential elections.

The recording was made on May 11, the day after the money is alleged to have offered the money in individual brown envelopes, and is being used as evidence at a Fifa hearing this week at which 16 officials from the Caribbean Football Union are accused of violating Fifas code of ethics.

Warner himself is no longer under investigation by Fifa after resigning on June 20, while Bin Hammam, who was forced to withdraw his challenge for the presidency in the wake of the scandal, has been banned for life by Fifa.

The 16 officials facing investigation this week have each been passed the footage of Warners address, which also features withering attacks on both Blatter and Uefa president Michel Platini, whom Warner warns will turn Fifa into a French province forever if he succeeds Blatter.

Warner begins the meeting by asking: Is there media here? On being told there are no journalists present, he explains the detail behind Bin Hammams gifts but stresses they should not be seen by the outside world to have come from Bin Hammam.

VIDEO - Full version of Jack Warner's address to Caribbean Fifa delegates - exclusive. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sportvideo/footballvideo/8821558/Full-version-of-Jack-Warners-address-to-Caribbean-Fifa-delegates-exclusive.html)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: signal on October 12, 2011, 05:16:59 AM
WOW.
Title: Full transcript
Post by: Tallman on October 12, 2011, 05:19:07 AM
Exclusive video of Jack Warner apparently offering 'gifts of 25,000 to Caribbean delegates full transcript
The Telegraph


"Because I dont want him to even remotely appear that anyone has any obligation for your vote because of what gifts you have given them, and he fully accepted that.

"I said to him also I would not even mention it but I will give it to them before you leave, because Jack Warner [inaudible] the next thing you know Jack Warner keeps everything.

"Before you left I told you to collect it between 3-5pm.

"Before I came here this morning to explain to you, I saw a few of you rush to the office in New York, the Concacaf office in New York, to talk of business before we had even talked of it among ourselves.

"Oh God guys, I mean even [inaudible] the media this morning.

"You rush off to New York, I imagine by now it is in Reuters and DPA [German press agency].

"I said to him before he left, yes, any country that doesnt want the gift has the right to give it back to him.

"What I am telling you even Mr Blatter is aware of, no secret, I told Blatter also what he gets as well. But let me talk to New York to stop you running to New York and tell everything.

"I know there are some people here who believe they are more pious than thou. If you are pious go to a church friends, but the fact is our business is our business.

"If you are coming in this room here with cuss and disagree and rave and rant but when we leave here our business is our business. And that is what solidarity is about.

"So I am making the point here folks that it was given to you because he could not bring the silver tray and a silver, some silver trinkets and so on, and some thing with Qatari sand.

"So I said put a value on it and give the countries, and the gift you get is for you to determine how best you want to use it for development for football in your country. Whether you want to pay salaries, whenever to pay rent, whenever to buy equipment, whatever, it is for development but it is not a gift that I want him to give to you. Because as I said before I didnt want him to appear that he is buying votes.

"And I heard this morning very disgusting things. We are under no obligation, we are in the Caribbean and Concacaf are under no obligation whatsoever to vote for anybody except who we believe will better our interests.

"So I want to put clear and behind, and if there is anybody here who has a conscience and wishes to send back the money I am willing to take the money and give it back to him at any moment.

"Or conversely you believe you dont want it then give it to somebody else who you think is in need. Because some of you might believe, there is some people who might believe [inaudible] well fine no problem.

"Give it to Trinidad and Tobago, give it Anguilla, give it to Barbados, if you dont want it, [woman raises hand] correct, give it to BVI, but dont go and talk of it outside and believe that you are pious and you are holy and better than anybody else.

"So this morning I get a call from Chuck [Blazer, general secretary of CONCACAF and a Fifa Executive Committee member], Chuck asked me some kind of nonsense and his man comes [inaudible] foolishness. [inaudible] concerns what it was yesterday.

"Now we are free to discuss it here now and we can do so again in Zurich. Two things werent clear and unclear to you yesterday.

"The first thing is that Mr Bin Hammam is fighting for the post of president, not only because he is 62 but because if he does not go now the next person who will be the president in four years time will be Michel Platini.

"The fact is that Michel Platini is being groomed to succeed Mr Blatter and we dont know if it is in our best interests to have a French president, a French general secretary but in any event I dont think it is in our best interests to do that.

"And if you want to take football and make it purely European ... so I dont know if it is in our best interests to vote for Mr Bin Hammam merely on what he said yesterday.

"Sometimes my grandma tells me you know what you have, you dont know what you get. And therefore in some ways we have a very [inaudible] decision to make.

"On the one hand Mr Blatter and the security that which he has given us in the past, and the other hand Mr Bin Hammam who has brought fresh ideas and who wants to stop the French chain in Zurich.

"I will give you no advice this morning but I would like to open the floor to hear some of your views and arguments before we go to Zurich. After all we have 25 out of 35 members and if we cannot determine the course of events at Concacaf on this issue and any other issue then something is wrong.

"As such I open the floor to get your sentiments on this matter. You dont have to say who you are voting for, you dont have to even give a hint, but analyse the situation and let us see if by discussing it we come to some kind of consensus.

[Cut]

Question from the floor: "We have had four years to make up our mind whether we would accept Platini or someone else, I would like to ask a question would candidate Jack Warner be interested in running for the presidency.

"Warner: Your question is clear Patrick and I must give you guys leadership [inaudible] I want to discuss all the ramifications involved. If you vote with Mr Blatter then in some ways [inaudible] we have to ensure that we don't have Mr Platini as some automatic inheritor of Fifa. Because I tell you if that happens Fifa will become a French province forever. Forever.

"And if we stay with Blatter we have to put checks and balances in place and groom the president of Barbados, Im just calling a name because he is my partner, to be president of Fifa. Groom him now or go to Pele, go to somebody, get someone who is groomed so Platini will not be the automatic heir.

"Because once Bin Hammam loses it means that is the end of any opponent. So I am saying if we do vote with Bin Hammam we look at why, why does every country in Africa given an artificial pitch but it is not happening in Concacaf?

"Why?

"Why did Concacaf want four places and cant get it but other confederations get it. We have to make sure that we get benefits long in advance and that would guarantee us a place in shop? Because other guys made promises before elections and when they finish and they win actually you dont see them. [Inaudible], as your president I will advise you in the end how we are going.

"Believe you me ... this is no automatic decision on our part as in the past. I have told him that we who have supported him faithfully have not benefited from that support. I have told him so. I have shown him from 2002 [inaudible] when half the world was against him, Africa, Europe, we stood up and backed him and then he went to embrace his enemies and not his friends. I told him all of that in Guatemala you know.

"I said I cannot tell you that you are automatic choice. I told him [inaudible] Urs Linsi. Urs Linis was the former general secretary of Fifa, he wanted to come here I stopped him because I didnt trust him. He wanted to come here on this platform with Bin Hammam and say to you all what Sepp Blatter told him to do Jack Warner and to do of us.

[Inaudible]

"But I said to Urs Linsi dont come, we didn't talk before talk before, we are talking our vote [inaudible] but I know so we have suffered, all I am saying to you is whatever we do know, guys, if ever the power of Fifa is held in our hands that time is now.

"And believe you me, it is not in the hands of Concacaf you know, it is the hands of the CFU. Mr Bin Hammam is dismissive of the seven members in Europe, he knows that he cant get them. He know that. He knows that he cant get one or two in the Caribbean. But he also knows that if we decide how we vote as a group, as a bloc, he knows that will decide who wins.

"Right now he has about 90 votes, right now Sepp Blatter has 85 votes, count them. That is 180, Fifa has 209 members, look and see what is happening, I tell you how important we are.

"And he cannot fritter that away. Never have we been so important as we are now, never have we been so important as we are now, and we cant just throw it away by saying Jamaica for Blatter, Barbados for Bin Hammam, X for Blatter Y for Bin Hammam.

"We cant do that now and that is why we are here this morning. And that is why I told Mr Bin Hammam that I would discuss this today. I wanted to give you an idea because it is not fair to you, and when we leave here and go to Zurich we must go in a position of strength.

[Cut]

[Second speaker from the floor, understood to be Colin Klass, Guyana FA president banned for 26 months]: "It is so important to stay together. I am so deeply disturbed, and colin indeed mentioned also. It is beyond me to think and to fathom how something that could have happened yesterday and someone called the Concacaf office . I really want us to reflect on that for a little.

"Maybe we have some people inside here who are naive. This is the Caribbean we have the numbers, 10 versus 25 and let us not lose sight of that gentlemen. It is very very critical for us to stick together as a region in whatever we do.

"And hearing that the business of the Caribbean was discussed out of the room, out of the Concacaf and then you know other people calling to say hey that disturbs me and I, really want you individuals to think, we have to stay together as a group. We swim together or we sink. If we are united then we will never be ridiculed. Each one stands for the other. Thats very very very important. I really ask our brothers and sisters to reflect on that.

"We have to stay together and as my brother Colin just said we should never, we should never lose control of Concacaf.

"Because if you sit there and believe that it is going to be business as usual, if we lose the leadership of Concacaf then you make a sad mistake and as my brother said he has seen some signs that are of great concerns in terms of a small number of other members wanting to take control and for us always to be following.

"We have to be prepared to lead and I really ask all of us to reflect on that. Just reflect slowly

"Those of us who have been around for many many years in football will remember when this organisation was led by a Mexican . In terms of committees you will see maybe two persons on a committee

"Theyre all from the other areas outside of the Caribbean. Today many of you sit on committees and it is only cos we have the control. So my members I beg you think think think, we cannot lose control. Thank you

Warner: "Thank you Colin, thank you captain Colin thank you for your kind sentiments but I have no interests in the presidency of Fifa. But thank you for your kind sentiments.

"I would advise you when you got to Zurich, look, read everything that you see coming out and always ask yourself, what is best for the Caribbean and by extension your country."
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 12, 2011, 06:24:18 AM
hhhhhhmmmmmm.....this looking juicy but ah cyar stop to read now......later....
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: dinho on October 12, 2011, 06:53:03 AM
Video here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8820948/Former-Fifa-vice-president-Jack-Warner-is-caught-on-tape-offering-gifts-of-25000-to-Caribbean-delegates.html
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 12, 2011, 07:07:12 AM
Will he do the right thing and resign??

yeah right....

EDIT: I now take in de video...  :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol

FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: D.H.W on October 12, 2011, 07:11:52 AM
 :heehee: Jack will rise again?  :devil:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: dinho on October 12, 2011, 07:18:01 AM
:heehee: Jack will rise again?  :devil:

Raise bredda!! the word is RAISE!!  :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 12, 2011, 08:10:57 AM
Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.

It seems this is Jacks ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous days bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.

I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.
 
A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 08:15:05 AM
Let me see what kamala and gibbs  will do now ...... the evidence dey

DEY WILL DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS DOES.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Peong on October 12, 2011, 09:13:36 AM
Hang him high!  De ole tief.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Jack Horner on October 12, 2011, 09:26:50 AM
This news is disturbing me a lot.

You guys are so amazing here its a shame.

Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.

Give Caribbean people a voice.

Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.

You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.

Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.

These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.

Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.

Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.

Be careful what you wish for.

Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.

The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.

USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.

Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.

We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.

Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.

Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Touches on October 12, 2011, 09:52:06 AM
Hrrmmmm....so Jack actually got set up on this one  :thinking:

Is it usual protocol to tape meetings? especially a covert one such as this where big business was being discussed.

Somebody blow the whistle and set up the scene.

Imagine if everybody had eaten their biscuit and hush dey mouth what would have happened?

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: soccerman on October 12, 2011, 10:00:02 AM
Jack remind me of Robin Hood in that video...
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Lower St. John on October 12, 2011, 10:34:55 AM
We must call a spade a spade.  De man has acted deviously in the past regardless of intention.  Again this shines a really bad light on us as Trinbagonians and the government by extension.  I don't see him surviving this one since there are clearly some legal issues questions to be answered, but then it is Trinidad and Tobago we talking about.  Jack can no longer claim ignorance to Bin Hanaman's bringing of gifts or the form of the gifts, since he directed him to bring gifts in the form of a currency equivalent.

As for being setup, that goes without saying.  We must not forget that there are still British Colonies in the CFU.  Their allegiance is to the Queen and Jack screwed the Queen hard with a little foreplay.

On this evidence there will be no tears shed for Jack by me.

Blessings
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: bibbillpaul on October 12, 2011, 10:58:15 AM
Jack is the acting Prime Minister of  Trinidad & Tobago,  embarassing man embarassing .
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 12, 2011, 11:06:43 AM
Hrrmmmm....so Jack actually got set up on this one  :thinking:

Is it usual protocol to tape meetings? especially a covert one such as this where big business was being discussed.

Somebody blow the whistle and set up the scene.

Imagine if everybody had eaten their biscuit and hush dey mouth what would have happened?



I think the events of the day before were so crazy that somebody thought there would be value in taping this. Jack had already hear about Bahamas and co. talking to Concacaf in NY and I sure it had real talk passing before the second day.

If it wasn't for the fact that we was wasting down the rest of Concacaf so badly I woulda say that Jack tape it heself as a defence against the bribery charges.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Socapro on October 12, 2011, 11:17:46 AM
I listened to the full unedited version of Jack Warner's address to CFU at the Telegraph link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8820948/Former-Fifa-vice-president-Jack-Warner-is-caught-on-tape-offering-gifts-of-25000-to-Caribbean-delegates.html
Very interesting!

Unfortunately this setting up of Jack was inevitable after he embarrassed Prince William and the England World Cup bid team!

He should not have misled them like that about them having his support!

In revenge they probably encouraged one of their British colonies who is still loyal to the Queen and a CFU member to set up Jack by making this recording!

England would have gotten their revenge on Jack sooner or later, it was simply a matter of time!
It is so ironic that Jack was a good leader for the CFU and CONCACAF but was also at the same time a curse & blessing (more of a curse though) to T&T football!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Deeks on October 12, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
Horner, Pplz, do come with that. Jack did himself in. Excessive hubris. Felt untouchable. The longest rope has an end. We all know that the USA, Mex, and the Central Amer. all for themselves. So is up to the CFU to move pass jack. Whatever happens so be it. We will survive. When you look at TT football you honestly feels that TT has benefitted. The person with all the benefits is jack. Everything must pass thru him. That can't wuk. Money laundering, scheming, squeezing players balls. We nah take that, as Bro. Resistance say. Yeh, let him raze. again.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Trini on October 12, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
As much as I dont like Jack Warner who we all know is a master crook and smartman, after watching the entire video and reading the transcript, he broke no law here.
What he did was unethical, and as CONCACAF President, he should have directed the members not to accept anything, heck he should not have even convinced Bin Hamin to bring anything.
But we all know this is how the world works, from political parties to companies and their contractors.
He was unethical, not illegal.


I actually find his speech to be somewhat noble in that he actually gave people the choice of returning the money if they felt a ways.
But then is Jack Warner we talking about, so what is noble for him is expected from a mortal soul.

Not sure how much weight the ethics violations has in FIFA, really doesnt matter cause he resigned long time.
What was insightful was the personal tirade against Platini.

Jack mash up England and now is payback.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: diamondtrim on October 12, 2011, 11:53:24 AM
What exactly is the complaint against Jack here?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: E-man on October 12, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
Haven't had a chance to watch the video yet, but very interesting though I'm not too surprised.

Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.

Every time this is brought up, they fail to mention that the number of finalists went from 16 to 24 to 32 in the same period.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 12, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
As much as I dont like Jack Warner who we all know is a master crook and smartman, after watching the entire video and reading the transcript, he broke no law here.
What he did was unethical, and as CONCACAF President, he should have directed the members not to accept anything, heck he should not have even convinced Bin Hamin to bring anything.
But we all know this is how the world works, from political parties to companies and their contractors.
He was unethical, not illegal.


I actually find his speech to be somewhat noble in that he actually gave people the choice of returning the money if they felt a ways.
But then is Jack Warner we talking about, so what is noble for him is expected from a mortal soul.

Not sure how much weight the ethics violations has in FIFA, really doesnt matter cause he resigned long time.
What was insightful was the personal tirade against Platini.

Jack mash up England and now is payback.

:bs: Jack only come and start to talk bout give back if yuh conscience bothering yuh after it was clear people went and pose questions to the Concacaf NY office... he was trying to circle the wagons and cover he behind!

And I don't know about you... but inherent in the leadership I am looking for is ethical behaviour.

From 19 how long... we all know how Jack does conduct it... but yuh never really had concrete public proof of his despicable actions... only hearsay, but what does happen in de dark does come out in de light.
and from "ticket or leave it" to the 06 Warriors bonus scandal and now bribery allegations and dis subsequent tape, all de world is seeing Jack Warner true character. He is a sociopath!

Definition of a sociopath

1.failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2.deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3.impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
4.irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5.reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6.consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7.lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

   
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 12:00:28 PM
Will he do the right thing and resign??

yeah right....

EDIT: I now take in de video...  :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol

FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!

I actually disagree with your take... the deeper we get into this thing the more hypocritical FIFA seems, and the more sympathetic they make Jack appear.  Clearly the recording was done surreptitiously, implying that the person was either planted there to get the 'evidence', or that Jack was otherwise set up for a fall.

And what does the "evidence" show?  According to Jack, Bin Hamman was going to bring some silver plaques and other trinkets for distribution. Jack told him to put a price on it and make the gift cash instead (for good reason).  According to Jack (I have to keep saying that, because all we have is his words) he told Bin Hamman that he will not guarantee any votes and from the clip he makes it clear to the CFU members that they were under no obligation to vote for Bin Hamman or anyone else... in fact they didn't even have to tell him (Warner) how they intended to vote... so exactly how was this supposed to be 'buying votes' by Bin Hamman?

Jack instead make a very cogent argument for the CFU to vote as a bloc, b/c they could control the fate of the next President that way rather than by splintering the vote... a very solid argument.  He is lukewarm about another 4 years of Blatter, and clearly apprehensive of Platini succeeding Blatter, as is currently the plan.  I don't know much about Platini's politics or why Jack see him as such a threat... but on everything else I fully agree with Jack.  It is clear that this meeting wasn't to buy anyone's vote or to bribe officials. Yes by giving them cash some crooked individuals could keep it for themselves, but Jack made it clear that they could (should?) use if for their local FA ("development, pay salaries") and at no point is it implied that this was a personal gift to the individual.

In any other forum this meeting and what was discussed would seem reasonable, but clearly FIFA (and the other 10 CONCACAF members) saw this as a threat to the status quo, saw it as a chance to break up the CFU as a bloc, and since they could make up their own laws, they decided that this was a bribe thing, and a breach of ethics.  Sadly the rest of the world, and some ah allyuh fall fuh it.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 12, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
I listened to the full unedited version of Jack Warner's address to CFU at the Telegraph link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/8820948/Former-Fifa-vice-president-Jack-Warner-is-caught-on-tape-offering-gifts-of-25000-to-Caribbean-delegates.html
Very interesting!

Unfortunately this setting up of Jack was inevitable after he embarrassed Prince William and the England World Cup bid team!

He should not have misled them like that about them having his support!

In revenge they probably encouraged one of their British colonies who is still loyal to the Queen and a CFU member to set up Jack by making this recording!

England would have gotten their revenge on Jack sooner or later, it was simply a matter of time!
It is so ironic that Jack was a good leader for the CFU and CONCACAF but was also at the same time a curse & blessing (more of a curse though) to T&T football!

Pro I don't know if being based in England gives you this perspective but England kinda clueless and powerless when it comes to power and politics in FIFA.

If yuh had say one of the newspapers was hunting for a scandal I might agree but but the English FA wasn't catching Jack in nothing.

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: diamondtrim on October 12, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
Will he do the right thing and resign??

yeah right....

EDIT: I now take in de video...  :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol

FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!

I actually disagree with your take... the deeper we get into this thing the more hypocritical FIFA seems, and the more sympathetic they make Jack appear.  Clearly the recording was done surreptitiously, implying that the person was either planted there to get the 'evidence', or that Jack was otherwise set up for a fall.

And what does the "evidence" show?  According to Jack, Bin Hamman was going to bring some silver plaques and other trinkets for distribution. Jack told him to put a price on it and make the gift cash instead (for good reason).  According to Jack (I have to keep saying that, because all we have is his words) he told Bin Hamman that he will not guarantee any votes and from the clip he makes it clear to the CFU members that they were under no obligation to vote for Bin Hamman or anyone else... in fact they didn't even have to tell him (Warner) how they intended to vote... so exactly how was this supposed to be 'buying votes' by Bin Hamman?

Jack instead make a very cogent argument for the CFU to vote as a bloc, b/c they could control the fate of the next President that way rather than by splintering the vote... a very solid argument.  He is lukewarm about another 4 years of Blatter, and clearly apprehensive of Platini succeeding Blatter, as is currently the plan.  I don't know much about Platini's politics or why Jack see him as such a threat... but on everything else I fully agree with Jack.  It is clear that this meeting wasn't to buy anyone's vote or to bribe officials. Yes by giving them cash some crooked individuals could keep it for themselves, but Jack made it clear that they could (should?) use if for their local FA ("development, pay salaries") and at no point is it implied that this was a personal gift to the individual.

In any other forum this meeting and what was discussed would seem reasonable, but clearly FIFA (and the other 10 CONCACAF members) saw this as a threat to the status quo, saw it as a chance to break up the CFU as a bloc, and since they could make up their own laws, they decided that this was a bribe thing, and a breach of ethics.  Sadly the rest of the world, and some ah allyuh fall fuh it.

I don't like d bess letter in 99% percent of yuh posts....i doh even like d jackass crest yuh have by yuh name....matter of fact i doh even like yuh name. I hate bake....as a kid my mudda used to make bess bake and ah hate to see idiots pretending to be bakey.....

Anyway....good post. Just what I wanted to say jus dat i wasnt feelin to type...... :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.

It seems this is Jacks ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous days bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.

I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.

A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.


This is nonsense... the question was posed to Jack whether he would run for the Presidency... he then say that if Blatter wins "we" must start grooming a candidate to run against Platini in four years.  He said (and I paraphrase) "we must start grooming the President of Barbados -- and I am just calling his name here because he is mih pardna (chuckle)-- to run for President".

What kinda "shout out" is that... or how is that evidence of the "warped workings" of Warner's mind?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
We must call a spade a spade.  De man has acted deviously in the past regardless of intention.  Again this shines a really bad light on us as Trinbagonians and the government by extension.  I don't see him surviving this one since there are clearly some legal issues questions to be answered, but then it is Trinidad and Tobago we talking about.  Jack can no longer claim ignorance to Bin Hanaman's bringing of gifts or the form of the gifts, since he directed him to bring gifts in the form of a currency equivalent.

As for being setup, that goes without saying.  We must not forget that there are still British Colonies in the CFU.  Their allegiance is to the Queen and Jack screwed the Queen hard with a little foreplay.

On this evidence there will be no tears shed for Jack by me.

Blessings

How does this embarrass TnT?  What "legal issues questions" have to be answered?  Did you watch the full video?  There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape.  A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed.  The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: diamondtrim on October 12, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
We must call a spade a spade.  De man has acted deviously in the past regardless of intention.  Again this shines a really bad light on us as Trinbagonians and the government by extension.  I don't see him surviving this one since there are clearly some legal issues questions to be answered, but then it is Trinidad and Tobago we talking about.  Jack can no longer claim ignorance to Bin Hanaman's bringing of gifts or the form of the gifts, since he directed him to bring gifts in the form of a currency equivalent.

As for being setup, that goes without saying.  We must not forget that there are still British Colonies in the CFU.  Their allegiance is to the Queen and Jack screwed the Queen hard with a little foreplay.

On this evidence there will be no tears shed for Jack by me.

Blessings

How does this embarrass TnT?  What "legal issues questions" have to be answered?  Did you watch the full video?  There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape.  A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed.  The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.

Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.

It seems this is Jack’s ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous day’s bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.

I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the man’s mind.

A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.


This is nonsense... the question was posed to Jack whether he would run for the Presidency... he then say that if Blatter wins "we" must start grooming a candidate to run against Platini in four years.  He said (and I paraphrase) "we must start grooming the President of Barbados -- and I am just calling his name here because he is mih pardna (chuckle)-- to run for President".

What kinda "shout out" is that... or how is that evidence of the "warped workings" of Warner's mind?


You on fire today...... :applause:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on October 12, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
:heehee: Jack will rise again?  :devil:

Raise bredda!! the word is RAISE!!  :pissedoff:
Ent! Tell him dey Dinho!  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: pardners on October 12, 2011, 12:19:59 PM
Hrrmmmm....so Jack actually got set up on this one  :thinking:

Is it usual protocol to tape meetings? especially a covert one such as this where big business was being discussed.

Somebody blow the whistle and set up the scene.

Imagine if everybody had eaten their biscuit and hush dey mouth what would have happened?



I think the events of the day before were so crazy that somebody thought there would be value in taping this. Jack had already hear about Bahamas and co. talking to Concacaf in NY and I sure it had real talk passing before the second day.

If it wasn't for the fact that we was wasting down the rest of Concacaf so badly I woulda say that Jack tape it heself as a defence against the bribery charges.

I was thinking along similar lines...
Me eh holding no brief for Jack, but any lawyer worth his salt could defend Jack of any wrong doing on this one.  The more I look at the so called video evidence, it looks as though all Jack guilty of is telling his CFU companions to stick together when voting time reach.  At the beginning he was actually trying to exonerate himself from bribery by saying he tell Bin Hammam to give cash instead of gifts because of the luggage issue...he also didn't want it to come from him (Warner) to appear in any devious way.   Me eh no lawyer, but I feel he do just enough to escape the hangman noose based on the video.

I feel Jack's lawyers could actually make him come out smelling good in this one.  Where he could get some stick is in actually telling BH to bring cash instead of gifts...knowing full well the maximum limit of cash he coulda bring in the country.  The other questions would come up as to why he didn't want the media present in the meeting and so on, but he could ease out of that through confidentiality reasons.

The Opposition will have a field day with this one...Kamla will of course deny knowledge of anything and say he did nothing wrong.  The Police Commissioner will say he have to wait until the CAS finally rule after Bin Hammam's appeal before he could treat with the situation.  In the end JACK will still be where he is right now and the country would have moved on to something new by then.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: supporter on October 12, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
Jack really didnt say anything that out of hand here...I dont see anything here that could implicate him on bribery.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 12, 2011, 12:22:05 PM
How does this embarrass TnT?  What "legal issues questions" have to be answered?  Did you watch the full video?  There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape.  A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed.  The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.

I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.

The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!


Also I find people getting tie up... this is not a matter of illegality.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
How does this embarrass TnT?  What "legal issues questions" have to be answered?  Did you watch the full video?  There is nothing illegal at all shown there on the tape.  A tape of the previous day's proceedings would add little, since Jack confirms that money was passed.  The passing of the money isn't illegal (even if we agree that it was for a bribe)... and particularly since Jack makes it clear that people can keep it or give it back, and whatever their decision, how they vote is their business, no promises were made to Bin Hamman and there was no quid pro quo. So how is this a bribe? Allyuh need to be more critical in allyuh analysis and not be so easily swayed by dislike for Jack or by the temporary euphoria we feeling now at his demise.

I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.

The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!

Y u bothering it cyah stand up in a court of law so nutten was inappropriate.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 12:37:52 PM
I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.

The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!


Also I find people getting tie up... this is not a matter of illegality.

FF... THE ENTIRE CONTEXT of this discussion is FIFA. What so hard to understand about that? 

You saying it was improper... and that the proper thing to do would have been to discourage either the offer and/or acceptance of the gifts.  This is true... by NORMAL ethical standards... normal ethical standards would dictate that there not be  any gifts at all, or keep them to a reasonable value as the IOC belatedly came to adopt.  But FIFA don't abide by normal ethical standards and to say that what Jack did here was improper, would be to hold him (Bin Hamman and the rest of the CFU officials) to a higher ethical standard than 99% of the rest of FIFA... hence my comments about the hypocrisy.  I'm not defending Jack, I am pointing out the hypocrisy.

Agree this is not a matter of illegality... unless yuh saying that for the benefit of those in the peanut gallery who talking about "bribe" and "lawyers" and the one special dunce, Weary who talking about "court of law".
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 12, 2011, 12:41:36 PM
Jack is the acting Prime Minister of  Trinidad & Tobago,  embarassing man embarassing .
Worse than that...given his Ministerial portfolio, the Prime Minister should ask for his resignation or for the very least an investigation as you cannot and should not have a sitting member of Government implicated in a bribery scandal.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 12:44:02 PM
I disagree with you here... the correct ting to do was to instruct everybody to return the money.
In fact they shoulda refuse the money in de first place.

The man running for an election.. Any gift would suggest some impropriety.. much less $40,000 in cash.
Come on!


Also I find people getting tie up... this is not a matter of illegality.

FF... THE ENTIRE CONTEXT of this discussion is FIFA. What so hard to understand about that? 

Agree this is not a matter of illegality... unless yuh saying that for the benefit of those in the peanut gallery who talking about "bribe" and "lawyers" and the one special dunce, Weary who talking about "court of law".

You saying it was improper... and that the proper thing to do would have been to discourage either the offer and/or acceptance of the gifts.  This is true... by NORMAL ethical standards... normal ethical standards would dictate that there not be  any gifts at all, or keep them to a reasonable value as the IOC belatedly came to adopt.  But FIFA don't abide by normal ethical standards and to say that what Jack did here was improper, would be to hold him (Bin Hamman and the rest of the CFU officials) to a higher ethical standard than 99% of the rest of FIFA... hence my comments about the hypocrisy.  I'm not defending Jack, I am pointing out the hypocrisy.

Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: soccerman on October 12, 2011, 12:48:28 PM
That's how the real world runs and it just shows how FIFA operates as well. One can also argue the if Platini is being "groomed" to be the next president then that's corrupt as well IMO if that's indeed true. What I agree with is that CFU has to do what's best for CFU because in the grand scheme of things I doubt the heads of FIFA gives a damn about us.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.

Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know).  The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman.  Only when people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help Bin Hamman circumvent the declaration requirement... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 12:51:59 PM
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.

Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know).  The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman.  Unless people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help circumvent the law... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.

Jack's action and Ben H join at d hip so oh bright 1 u cyah seperate dem. Jack eh bring in d money but he was d Min wit the responsibility 4 d airport at d time. So I guess as d decent and upstanding fella that he is he asked Ben H show meh where u declaration form 2 make sure that d money was brought into the country legally.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 12, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
Not really a smoking gun as for the bribery issue but a very interesting transcript.

It seems this is Jacks ham-fisted attempt to deal with the blowback from the previous days bribe. It does show that his first response to the heat was to just grandcharge as usual.

I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.

A video from the private meetings the day before would have been something else.


This is nonsense... the question was posed to Jack whether he would run for the Presidency... he then say that if Blatter wins "we" must start grooming a candidate to run against Platini in four years.  He said (and I paraphrase) "we must start grooming the President of Barbados -- and I am just calling his name here because he is mih pardna (chuckle)-- to run for President".

What kinda "shout out" is that... or how is that evidence of the "warped workings" of Warner's mind?

You might be connecting two separate observations about the entire transcript.

Shout out as in simply "his name get mentioned" nothing more nothing less. Notable because this is name that nobody else hear bout before his Concacaf "appointment" so it was funny to hear him being used as an example by Jack.

As for warped thinking, the speech is riddled with flawed thinking. Warner is either crazy if he believes himself or crazy to think that he could convince people of the nonesense he is speaking.

Not least of which is the idea that keeping a development grant from Bin Hamman secret would prevent the appearance of it being a bribe. The mechanics that any self-respecting FA would have to go though to account for a US 40,000 cash influx would necessitate underhand dealings. Not a problem in Warners world of laxed accounting but the transaction that he describes does not make sense to most people.

Then there is the referency to piety.  In Warners mind refusing the money is a question of piety when to most people you dont even have to be pious, it is just plain improper to recieve 40,000 in cash, in private weeks before a vote. How can a reasonable person not believe that it is not an inducement to vote.

Like I said, I agree that this tape doesnt say much about bribery but Warners words are clearly carefully chosen.  I am almost certain that this is not how the money was presented in private the previous day. Warner admits to as much in this attempt to clear up the situation.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 12:57:41 PM
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.

Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know).  The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman.  Unless people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help circumvent the law... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.

Jack's action and Ben H join at d hip so oh bright 1 u cyah seperate dem. Jack eh bring in d money but he was d Min wit the responsibility 4 d airport at d time. So I guess as d decent and upstanding fella that he is he asked Ben H show meh where u declaration form 2 make sure that d money was brought into the country legally.

Do you have any PROOF that Jack did anything illegal??
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 12:59:14 PM
Well this dunce knows about d form that u does have 2 declare d amt of money that u bringin it. So when somebody tell me dat Bin H declare d money when he bring it in then and only then would I say no law was broken. Bribe being paid is d modus operandi in FIFA. So me eh gettin involve wit d bribe but then again I eh 2 bright.

Yuh right... yuh not too bright (which we already know).  The conversation is about Jack's actions... not Bin Hamman.  Unless people have proof that Jack was the one who bring the money in, or that he help circumvent the law... THEN allyuh could start talking about illegal activity and "court of law" fuh Jack.

Jack's action and Ben H join at d hip so oh bright 1 u cyah seperate dem. Jack eh bring in d money but he was d Min wit the responsibility 4 d airport at d time. So I guess as d decent and upstanding fella that he is he asked Ben H show meh where u declaration form 2 make sure that d money was brought into the country legally.

Do you have any PROOF that Jack did anything illegal??

But I guess u have proof that he did everything above board but I guess only u have d right to make assumptions based on the evidence presnted.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
You might be connecting two separate observations about the entire transcript.

Shout out as in simply "his name get mentioned" nothing more nothing less. Notable because this is name that nobody else hear bout before his Concacaf "appointment" so it was funny to hear him being used as an example by Jack.

As for warped thinking, the speech is riddled with flawed thinking. Warner is either crazy if he believes himself or crazy to think that he could convince people of the nonesense he is speaking.

Not least of which is the idea that keeping a development grant from Bin Hamman secret would prevent the appearance of it being a bribe. The mechanics that any self-respecting FA would have to go though to account for a US 40,000 cash influx would necessitate underhand dealings. Not a problem in Warners world of laxed accounting but the transaction that he describes does not make sense to most people.

Then there is the referency to piety.  In Warners mind refusing the money is a question of piety when to most people you dont even have to be pious, it is just plain improper to recieve 40,000 in cash, in private weeks before a vote. How can a reasonable person not believe that it is not an inducement to vote.

Like I said, I agree that this tape doesnt say much about bribery but Warners words are clearly carefully chosen.  I am almost certain that this is not how the money was presented in private the previous day. Warner admits to as much in this attempt to clear up the situation.


If it was "two separate observations" then I am not the one connecting them

Quote
I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.

It is clear that in your mind the shout out "confirmed" things about the workings of Warner's mind... but whatever.  He didn't even call Austin by name... but again, if that is some kinda "shout out" worthy of highlighting to you, then so be it.

As for the rest of what you type... it seems apparent to me that you didn't watch the video and just (mis)read the transcripts.  Jack never said anything about keeping anything secret... in fact he clearly states that what was being discussed in the room was no secret to FIFA, since he let Blatter know what was going on.

This "bribe" as allyuh insist on painting it, is as improper as the bribe by the British to help develop facilities in Trinidad, as improper as them coming to TnT to play a meaningless friendly, as improper as Beckham holding a clinic for local kids... all clearly meant to influence Warner's support of the English WC bid. All of this was done in the open... why didn't FIFA charge Warner... and Lord Triesman et al over that?   The answer clearly is hypocrisy.  All of this moral posturing about what was "improper" and what not is just that... posturing.  The issue isn't one of propriety, the issues are illegal behavior that might subject him to TnT law, or unethical behavior that might subject him to FIFA discipline.  No such behavior is present on the film, nor has any such behavior been alleged save for Blazer/FIFA with the "bribe" talk.

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 01:14:42 PM
But I guess u have proof that he did everything above board but I guess only u have d right to make assumptions based on the evidence presnted.

Point out the assumptions that I am making... matter of fact don't even bother wasting we time any further.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Socapro on October 12, 2011, 01:43:39 PM
Btw the hea
Former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts’ of 25,000 to Caribbean delegates.
By Paul Kelso, Chief Sports Reporter (Telegraph).


Jack Warner has been caught on tape apparently urging fellow Caribbean officials to accept cash gifts from Mohamed Bin Hammam, the disgraced former presidential candidate.

Btw, the initial headline of that article is very misleading but it is quickly corrected in the 1st paragraph!

Very mischievous of the Telegraph but that's to be expected as the English are out for revenge!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bourbon on October 12, 2011, 01:49:44 PM
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.

Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: ZURITRESS on October 12, 2011, 01:50:03 PM
You as a government minister can not in anyway be absolved from inquiry or investigation if there is a (fact) bribe that took place, Fifa has stated so by banning BH. Jack is held to an higher standard in every form possible, and when you are implicated in facilitating a crime how can there not be consequences, and yes there was a crime, non declaration of funds brought into the country and facilitating in the distribution of these funds for what has been deemed as a bribe. Book sense doh make common sense, a sitting government minister must prove innocence and show he had no had in wrong doing. Government ministers should not be involved in international scandals that does not pertain to government business, if so he should be stepping down or pushed out.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 12, 2011, 01:52:58 PM
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.

Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.

Where de TnT $40,000?  :devil:

Camps on record saying he ent get no money and he ent know nothing bout that
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 12, 2011, 01:53:10 PM
Will he do the right thing and resign??

yeah right....

EDIT: I now take in de video...  :rotfl: dey need subtitles for Jack yes...
plenty times they put inaudible and is just Jack stuttering and stammering lol

FALL ON YOUR SWORD JACK.... this is very embarrassing to the country!

I actually disagree with your take... the deeper we get into this thing the more hypocritical FIFA seems, and the more sympathetic they make Jack appear.  Clearly the recording was done surreptitiously, implying that the person was either planted there to get the 'evidence', or that Jack was otherwise set up for a fall.

And what does the "evidence" show?  According to Jack, Bin Hamman was going to bring some silver plaques and other trinkets for distribution. Jack told him to put a price on it and make the gift cash instead (for good reason).  According to Jack (I have to keep saying that, because all we have is his words) he told Bin Hamman that he will not guarantee any votes and from the clip he makes it clear to the CFU members that they were under no obligation to vote for Bin Hamman or anyone else... in fact they didn't even have to tell him (Warner) how they intended to vote... so exactly how was this supposed to be 'buying votes' by Bin Hamman?
Jack instead make a very cogent argument for the CFU to vote as a bloc, b/c they could control the fate of the next President that way rather than by splintering the vote... a very solid argument.  He is lukewarm about another 4 years of Blatter, and clearly apprehensive of Platini succeeding Blatter, as is currently the plan.  I don't know much about Platini's politics or why Jack see him as such a threat... but on everything else I fully agree with Jack.  It is clear that this meeting wasn't to buy anyone's vote or to bribe officials. Yes by giving them cash some crooked individuals could keep it for themselves, but Jack made it clear that they could (should?) use if for their local FA ("development, pay salaries") and at no point is it implied that this was a personal gift to the individual.

In any other forum this meeting and what was discussed would seem reasonable, but clearly FIFA (and the other 10 CONCACAF members) saw this as a threat to the status quo, saw it as a chance to break up the CFU as a bloc, and since they could make up their own laws, they decided that this was a bribe thing, and a breach of ethics.  Sadly the rest of the world, and some ah allyuh fall fuh it.

Hoss I lissenin the words and waiting to hear this is in exchange for your vote.  People like dey mad or maybe is de legal eye dat ha me an you seeing this similarly because that is far far from a smoking gun.  In fact that proves that what Jack has said in public is no different than what he told CFU members.  FIFA and the media playing on people's ignorance and hatred fuh Jack.  Me eh go ever say de man clean but so far is smoke and mirrors and funhouse magic dey usin to make it seem like he do something worth investigating.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Sam on October 12, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
This news is disturbing me a lot.

You guys are so amazing here its a shame.

Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.

Give Caribbean people a voice.

Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.

You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.

Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.

These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.

Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.

Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.

Be careful what you wish for.

Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.

The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.

USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.

Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.

We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.

Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.

Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!

Ask yourself why the T&T Gov cut Jack from transportation minister, he buy 5 babagreen machines and give he son de big contracts to fix all the roads in T&T.

De point is, he to dam greedy and deserve what he get.

Take some nah, but not all....
Title: Benefits of evil is still wrong(Jack Warner
Post by: ZURITRESS on October 12, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
There are people on here saying how Jack do alot of good with his bad. Jack Warner never did anything that he did not benefit from. Usually that meant financially, it was and always will be about money for him. People who have anything good to say about jack needs to understand even the devil does advertise and it always looks good but is or will it last.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 12, 2011, 02:13:34 PM
This news is disturbing me a lot.

You guys are so amazing here its a shame.

Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.

Give Caribbean people a voice.

Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.

You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.

Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.

These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.

Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.

Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.

Be careful what you wish for.

Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.

The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.

USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.

Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.

We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.

Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.

Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!

Sunshine, we've all put up with your nonsense because its kinda amusing. But at this point, you need to start being serious or go away. I understand your xenophobia about Europeans, and I agree to some extent that CFU should work together. But that should not mean breaking laws, gerrymandering elections and encouraging the rest of the world to view the CFU as a bunch of corruptable crooks.

"Europeans laugh at us guys."  Of course they do. Look at how Warner keeps involving himself in controversy, some of it very close to illegal, yet CFU keep him in place. Why do you think bin Hamman set his sights on the CFU? Because, as everyone knows, it is corruptable. Warner has engineered a bunch of yes men into powerful positions.

Its time that he stops tarnishing the good names of the citizens of the Caribbean. Gibbs wanted evidence, now he has it. I don't know if its admissible in court, but this video confirms that over half a million US dollars appeared in T&T. If it was brought into the country in cash, Warner is an accessory after the fact. He certainly condoned the offering of cash gifts to a person seeking election. That may not be a crime, but it is immoral and directly goes against the principle on which he and the PP were elected. Where's the honesty, the transparency and the punishing of those involved in corruption?

If Warner stays, what message are we sending to the rest of the world and our young people? The fact that he is involved in a court case surrounding missing millions and his apparent act of perjury by submitting innaccurate accounts should be enough for him to resign. And now this.   
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bourbon on October 12, 2011, 02:16:13 PM
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.

Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.

Where de TnT $40,000?  :devil:

Camps on record saying he ent get no money and he ent know nothing bout that

Dahs de ting. He say..if yuh doh want it..return it..and i go carry it back. Do the maths.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
He cover heself dey in a sense. He appealed to the need for solidarity...said if yuh doh want it fine.

Interestingly this is one time you could argue he was looking out for CFU interest without him gaining in a major way.

Where de TnT $40,000?  :devil:



Camps on record saying he ent get no money and he ent know nothing bout that

Dahs de ting. He say..if yuh doh want it..return it..and i go carry it back. Do the maths.


No need 2 bribe Jack he already had his vote so dey eh get no money
Title: Jack Warner's statement on release of CFU meeting tape
Post by: Tallman on October 12, 2011, 02:23:34 PM
Jack Warner's statement on release of CFU meeting tape
ctntworld.com


It is rather interesting that on the very day that Caribbean Football Union (CFU) delegates are to appear before the disciplinary committee of FIFA that a video tape of this nature is released for international viewing on the World Wide Web.
 
The release of this video is tantamount to contempt because it seeks to influence international opinion against what is clearly a conspiracy against the delegates of the Caribbean Football Union. Moreover there are lot more questions which the FIFA should answer from this convenient revelation.
 
The Caribbean delegates are currently in Zurich and are actively involved in disciplinary proceedings established by the FIFA so this leak is clearly sub judicious and contrary to the very principles of law and justice.
 
Regretfully, this is what defines the FIFA; a perceived right to do all in its power, right or wrong, to defend its own.
 
The Caribbean Football Union delegates must be found guilty if Sepp Blatter is to appear as an honourable man weeding out corruption from the FIFA. So the tiny Union in the Caribbean must be the scapegoat; and a team of officials, all Swiss and strategically located along the FIFA's hierarchical strata is in place to ensure that their Swiss brother, Sepp Blatter, emerges with his integrity intact.
 
As Chuck Blazer has just "found out", it is not a matter of coincidence that the Chairman of the FIFA Ethics Committee, Claudio Sulser, is Swiss. It is not a matter of chance that the Chairman of the Disciplinary Committee, Marcel Mathier, also happens to be Swiss. It is not through any democratic process that the same Marcel Mathier happened to have been Sepp Blatter's Swiss lawyer. It is therefore not uncanny that Bin Hammam was charged with corruption prior to the FIFA elections to protect the interest of another Swiss, the unopposed President of FIFA.
 
Clearly, the Swiss seems to have a morality of its own.
 
Gentlemen permit me a few more moments of blissful silence. In the near future, all will be revealed. FIFA cannot be allowed to continue tarnishing the images and characters of good men. For it is clear that the FIFA is determined to stop at nothing as they seek to destroy, to extirpate those they have defined as their enemies from any sphere of influence.
 
However, truth crushed to the ground will rise again. At the end of the day, the truth will prevail. In time, truth will always arise.
 
It is informative to note that :
- never before has a covert video been made, let alone been published, in the history of CFU
- it is clear that those who recorded the meeting and subsequently made certain that the video went global, are engaged in entrapment
- it is therefore not paranoia nor mindless talk to speak of a conspiracy by those who had an agenda: the one to weaken the CONCACAF through its largest voting bloc, the CFU, and thus ascertain that Caribbean men and women are excluded from the decision-making process in CONCACAF and FIFA in the future.
 
Respectfully submitted
Jack Warner
Former FIFA Vice President
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 12, 2011, 02:26:30 PM
I wished he di also sign former MP and Former Minister

But Jack timing is evrything he eh learn dat yet?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 12, 2011, 02:54:53 PM
"This "bribe" as allyuh insist on painting it, is as improper as the bribe by the British to help develop facilities in Trinidad, as improper as them coming to TnT to play a meaningless friendly, as improper as Beckham holding a clinic for local kids... all clearly meant to influence Warner's support of the English WC bid. All of this was done in the open... why didn't FIFA charge Warner... and Lord Triesman et al over that?   The answer clearly is hypocrisy."

Bakes, I find so much in this statement of yours that is shocking. First of all, you put bribe in inverted commas, but FIFA have found bin Hamman guilty of offering the bribe. Now I know he is appealing, but as a man of the law, even if you think the decision is wrong, it is now a fact until proven otherwise.

There is a system in place to allow bidding countries to make gifts. I don't agree with this, but it is clearly there to prevent corruption as much as possible. I guess we all believe corruption and bribery is still rife within FIFA, but those gifts that you describe are legal by FIFA guidelines and they were all done in the open. There is no hypocrisy there.

Jacks "crime", if there is one - and I believe there is- is both against FIFA and the laws of T&T. He admitted on the video that he told bin Hamman to bring cash. He knew bin Hamman was flying into T&T and therefore he encouraged him to break T&T laws regarding currency transportation. As a Govt Minister, once bin Hamman delivered the cash to Jack, he is compelled, by not only his sworn oath to uphold the laws of T&T as a member of parliament, but also as a member of the Peoples Partnership which promised to rid T&T of corruption and to act with honesty, transparency and integrity, to hand over the funds to the authorities and identify the perpetrator.

Finally, Jack was the person who acted as conduit between bin Hamman and CFU when distributing funds. Why didn't bin Hamman just distribute it if there was nothing wrong? Why did delegates have to go into a private room? Why wasn't the money just transferred to the Federations individual accounts? The answer is because bin Hamman wanted no evidence. But if there was nothing wrong with giving a gift, why the secrecy?

Any way you look at this, it was immoral. It was a secret transaction.

The naivety is to say there was no attempt at buying votes. If you don't want it to appear so, you bring a silver tray with a camel engraved on it and "Greetings from Dubai". That's a nice gesture and practically worthless financially. Or you send cheques for the setting up of the bin Hamman coaching school in each country.

Since Eve charged Adam a dollar for a bite of her apple, cash is the chief currency of corruption and if you want to remain clear of bribery allegations, you do not smuggle (and it was smuggling) cash into a foreign country and distribute it individually behind closed doors through a third party.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Babalawo on October 12, 2011, 03:01:09 PM
it good for the facka. now bury him tnt. oh wait hes running the country  :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Socapro on October 12, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
I can agree with Jack in most of what he has said there in that ststement!

However if the Honourable Minister knew that FIFA is so corrupt in its operational practices all these years then why did he stay with them so long and became FIFA's longest serving executive member before he was forced to resign?

He suddenly knows that they are corrupt to the core now but did not know this while he was a VP?

Anyway at least Jack is now willing to speak out on FIFA corruption at some stage so we still eagerly await his promised tsunami!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 12, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
Surely this is wrong:  "However, truth crushed to the ground will rise again"  Shouldn't that read "raise again"?  :rotfl:

"it is clear that those who recorded the meeting and subsequently made certain that the video went global, are engaged in entrapment" Of course its entrapment. You can't go on for ever pissing people off and expect no revenge. But what Jack fails to point out is that you can't be trapped unless you're doing something wrong. You can't take the moral high ground when you've been caught.

This statement is disgusting. Where's the apology to the citizens of T&T for tarnishing the country all over the world? Any righteous person would apologise, say he made an error of judgement, but for the right reasons, and resign from public life. 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: College on October 12, 2011, 03:25:04 PM
Surely this is wrong:  "However, truth crushed to the ground will rise again"  Shouldn't that read "raise again"?  :rotfl:

"it is clear that those who recorded the meeting and subsequently made certain that the video went global, are engaged in entrapment" Of course its entrapment. You can't go on for ever pissing people off and expect no revenge. But what Jack fails to point out is that you can't be trapped unless you're doing something wrong. You can't take the moral high ground when you've been caught.

This statement is disgusting. Where's the apology to the citizens of T&T for tarnishing the country all over the world? Any righteous person would apologise, say he made an error of judgement, but for the right reasons, and resign from public life. 

Agree with you 100%, but the reality is Jack in not going to make an apology (too late now imo) and the only way he would 'resign' is if the people put pressure on the Government.  This is unlikely to happen since  apathy and indifference is very much alive in T&T. The average citizen will forget about it , the media is too lazy to do what is necessary and have seemingly forgotten their roles in a democratic T&T.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 12, 2011, 03:29:06 PM
FS like u have ah dread cockstan fuh Jack hoss.  U honestly see something incriminating in da video guy? 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 12, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
FS like u have ah dread cockstan fuh Jack hoss.  U honestly see something incriminating in da video guy? 

Not incriminating in that Jack actually broke the law. But that he was aware laws were being possibly broken and that he was an accessory. He did act as the conduit between bin Hamman and the delegates, which is suspect. He also, by his own admission, told bin Hamman to bring cash, when he should have been aware that this volume of cash has to be declared at the airport which he controls. Once the money arrived undeclared, it is his DUTY to inform the authorities. You can't just take off your M.P.s hat and put on your CFU, CONCACAF or FIFA hat. You must wear them all, at all times, with his governmental role always taking precedence.

Look at the outcry about Kamla staying at the GoPaul house, then a year later he wins a contract. That was all probably innocent, but it caused outrage. On the other hand, the whole world knows that Jack helped bin Hamman secretly distribute cash  that was smuggled in (and out) of the country in defiance of T&T laws.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 04:39:58 PM
"This "bribe" as allyuh insist on painting it, is as improper as the bribe by the British to help develop facilities in Trinidad, as improper as them coming to TnT to play a meaningless friendly, as improper as Beckham holding a clinic for local kids... all clearly meant to influence Warner's support of the English WC bid. All of this was done in the open... why didn't FIFA charge Warner... and Lord Triesman et al over that?   The answer clearly is hypocrisy."

Bakes, I find so much in this statement of yours that is shocking. First of all, you put bribe in inverted commas, but FIFA have found bin Hamman guilty of offering the bribe. Now I know he is appealing, but as a man of the law, even if you think the decision is wrong, it is now a fact until proven otherwise. 1

There is a system in place to allow bidding countries to make gifts. I don't agree with this, but it is clearly there to prevent corruption as much as possible. I guess we all believe corruption and bribery is still rife within FIFA, but those gifts that you describe are legal by FIFA guidelines and they were all done in the open. There is no hypocrisy there. 2

Jacks "crime", if there is one - and I believe there is- is both against FIFA and the laws of T&T. He admitted on the video that he told bin Hamman to bring cash. He knew bin Hamman was flying into T&T and therefore he encouraged him to break T&T laws regarding currency transportation. As a Govt Minister, once bin Hamman delivered the cash to Jack, he is compelled, by not only his sworn oath to uphold the laws of T&T as a member of parliament, but also as a member of the Peoples Partnership which promised to rid T&T of corruption and to act with honesty, transparency and integrity, to hand over the funds to the authorities and identify the perpetrator. 3

Finally, Jack was the person who acted as conduit between bin Hamman and CFU when distributing funds. Why didn't bin Hamman just distribute it if there was nothing wrong? Why did delegates have to go into a private room? Why wasn't the money just transferred to the Federations individual accounts? The answer is because bin Hamman wanted no evidence. But if there was nothing wrong with giving a gift, why the secrecy? 4

Any way you look at this, it was immoral. It was a secret transaction.

The naivety is to say there was no attempt at buying votes. If you don't want it to appear so, you bring a silver tray with a camel engraved on it and "Greetings from Dubai". That's a nice gesture and practically worthless financially. Or you send cheques for the setting up of the bin Hamman coaching school in each country. 5

Since Eve charged Adam a dollar for a bite of her apple, cash is the chief currency of corruption and if you want to remain clear of bribery allegations, you do not smuggle (and it was smuggling) cash into a foreign country and distribute it individually behind closed doors through a third party. 6

1You have to be naive or dotish to be really making the argument that because FIFA say there was a bribe, that their assertion makes it fact.  FIFA have also said that Blatter's conduct in office is beyond reproach, and that prior to this Jack was clean (save for the "ticket or leave it" fiasco)... I suppose we can take these to the bank as well, right?  I can't believe you of all people would even be trying to make an argument founded on anything coming out of FIFA. This is what is really "shocking".  The reason for "bribe" being in quotes is because people are using this as an argument that Jack broke the law... clearly where this "bribe" is concerned no laws were broken.  This is the reason for the quotes... it really not that hard to understand.

2 "There is a system in place to allow bidding countries to make gifts. I don't agree with this, but it is clearly there to prevent corruption as much as possible."

Pardon me while I regain my composure from laughing at this nonsense.  If you don't see the hypocrisy it's because you don't want to see it.

3 There is so much that is ridiculous about this paragraph that I almost don't know where to begin.  Because Jack knew that BH was bringing cash into the country or encouraged him to bring cash into the country that means that Jack broke the law?  Whose law... yours?  What compels him to hand over the cash BH intended for the CFU... your words?  Your sense of what's right or wrong?  steups..

4  Jack stated why he thought it would be wiser to act as the "conduit" rather than have BH hand over the money himself.  It's hardly the big conspiracy you're so desperate (and have always been desperate) to spin it into.

5 "Immoral"??  Really?  I hope you realize there is a difference between "immoral" and "unethical" behavior... and it's even arguable whether what he did is unethical. If what's on the tape is to believed then Jack acted in the best interest of the CFU.  I tickles me to no end listening to you, the English press and some of the others here carrying on like  is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in.  How would BH sending "cheques for setting up coaching schools in each country" be different from cash payments?  Or is it only a bribe when you feel like calling it that?

6 I won't even bother responding to this nonsense.
Title: Re: Benefits of evil is still wrong(Jack Warner
Post by: Brownsugar on October 12, 2011, 05:37:58 PM
 ??? ???

Just so??  Out of the blue??  uuuuummm thanks but a whole new thread to say this??  How long you been on this forum??   :-\
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 12, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Bakes, thanks for your input, but as usual with you and I, we see things completely differently. I do actually feel very disappointed that you fail to agree (not that you have to!) with some of my points, because from my view they are so obvious. I also am disappointed with your general tone and lack of respect. You have the linguistic ability to argue against my points without resorting to sarcasm, ridicule and condescension.  However, as much as I want to avoid another one of our marathon discussions, I can't let this one go:

"Immoral"??  Really?  I hope you realize there is a difference between "immoral" and "unethical" behavior... and it's even arguable whether what he did is unethical. If what's on the tape is to believed then Jack acted in the best interest of the CFU.  I tickles me to no end listening to you, the English press and some of the others here carrying on like  is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in." 

Bakes, I've seen you stating on the General Discussion thread all sorts of reasons why this is wrong or this is right etc. But unless I'm greatly mistaken, the above statement is condoning lawbreaking because its just a minor law. Is that what you meant by "carrying on like  is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in."? Maybe if we were talking about Camps, I could understand (but not agree with) your point. But how can you give a bligh to a Cabinet Minister who turns a blind eye to illegal activity in his own country? Are you one of the people who think policemen should not be prosecuted for drunk driving, or Ministers not being fined for speeding or driving while banned? After all, they're not trafficking in child prostitutes. Where does this ignoring laws end? What about letting off some young kids who only had 3 small bags of cocaine or a guy who was just carrying a small knife? Hey, lets help out Duprey, coz no one got hurt, right?

While I would admit to preying that if I ever got stopped on the highway and was slightly over the limit the cops would give me a bligh, this is a government minister who had prior knowledge of a financial transaction that is required by T&T law to be declared. He failed to defend the laws that he swore he would uphold, before, during and after, and then turned another blind eye to a further 24 such incidents.

Or do we just ignore the "big fish"? Warner's govt is locking up people everyday, many on very thin evidence and in some cases, for fairly insignificant crimes. Yet its ok for Jack? Come on Bakes, you criticised me before because there was no evidence for Gibbs to launch an investigation, now we have it in his own words, which he has admitted was him speaking.

You know perfectly well that the law states you must make a declaration if you are bringing more than a specified amount of foreign currency in or out of the country. I don't understand why you will not admit this. You also know that if somebody has knowledge of such an incidence and fails to report it, they can be accused of conspiracy or being an accessory (I think you lawyers say before and after the fact?). I'm sure you will know the correct term. And we musn't forget the testimony that reported that delegates were given a cell phone number to call if they had trouble taking the money out of the country (although this was not investigated, so its just an allegation at this point.)
So, these are not my laws, but the laws of T&T, unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 12, 2011, 07:17:18 PM
However, as much as I want to avoid another one of our marathon discussions,

Lawd knows I never even got around to reading the last one......  :devil: ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 12, 2011, 07:21:02 PM
Bakes, thanks for your input, but as usual with you and I, we see things completely differently. I do actually feel very disappointed that you fail to agree (not that you have to!) with some of my points, because from my view they are so obvious. I also am disappointed with your general tone and lack of respect. You have the linguistic ability to argue against my points without resorting to sarcasm, ridicule and condescension.  However, as much as I want to avoid another one of our marathon discussions, I can't let this one go:

"Immoral"??  Really?  I hope you realize there is a difference between "immoral" and "unethical" behavior... and it's even arguable whether what he did is unethical. If what's on the tape is to believed then Jack acted in the best interest of the CFU.  I tickles me to no end listening to you, the English press and some of the others here carrying on like  is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in." 

Bakes, I've seen you stating on the General Discussion thread all sorts of reasons why this is wrong or this is right etc. But unless I'm greatly mistaken, the above statement is condoning lawbreaking because its just a minor law. Is that what you meant by "carrying on like  is child prostitutes Jack was trafficking in."? Maybe if we were talking about Camps, I could understand (but not agree with) your point. But how can you give a bligh to a Cabinet Minister who turns a blind eye to illegal activity in his own country? Are you one of the people who think policemen should not be prosecuted for drunk driving, or Ministers not being fined for speeding or driving while banned? After all, they're not trafficking in child prostitutes. Where does this ignoring laws end? What about letting off some young kids who only had 3 small bags of cocaine or a guy who was just carrying a small knife? Hey, lets help out Duprey, coz no one got hurt, right?

While I would admit to preying that if I ever got stopped on the highway and was slightly over the limit the cops would give me a bligh, this is a government minister who had prior knowledge of a financial transaction that is required by T&T law to be declared. He failed to defend the laws that he swore he would uphold, before, during and after, and then turned another blind eye to a further 24 such incidents.

Or do we just ignore the "big fish"? Warner's govt is locking up people everyday, many on very thin evidence and in some cases, for fairly insignificant crimes. Yet its ok for Jack? Come on Bakes, you criticised me before because there was no evidence for Gibbs to launch an investigation, now we have it in his own words, which he has admitted was him speaking.

You know perfectly well that the law states you must make a declaration if you are bringing more than a specified amount of foreign currency in or out of the country. I don't understand why you will not admit this. You also know that if somebody has knowledge of such an incidence and fails to report it, they can be accused of conspiracy or being an accessory (I think you lawyers say before and after the fact?). I'm sure you will know the correct term. And we musn't forget the testimony that reported that delegates were given a cell phone number to call if they had trouble taking the money out of the country (although this was not investigated, so its just an allegation at this point.)
So, these are not my laws, but the laws of T&T, unless I'm mistaken.

I'm sorry, but I am not the most patient person... and you've been making the same irrational arguments ever since this broke in May.

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But unless I'm greatly mistaken, the above statement is condoning lawbreaking because its just a minor law.

You are greatly mistaken... I was not referring to any lawbreaking but to the alleged bribes, and I made that pretty clear by referencing what was on the tape and the CFU benefiting.  The rest of what you type in that paragraph about Ministers speeding and policemen drinking is unnecessarily tangential.

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this is a government minister who had prior knowledge of a financial transaction that is required by T&T law to be declared. He failed to defend the laws that he swore he would uphold, before, during and after, and then turned another blind eye to a further 24 such incidents.

So let me get this straight... you're saying Jack should have 1) called customs to let them know BH was coming into the country with cash; 2) After BH met him at the Hyatt he should have asked him whether he declared the cash; 3) While or after BH was here Jack should have called customs to let them know he didn't declare the cash.  This is your argument?  Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds... seriously?

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Come on Bakes, you criticised me before because there was no evidence for Gibbs to launch an investigation, now we have it in his own words, which he has admitted was him speaking.

Now you're coming with this "evidence" talk... what evidence is there? Does the tape reveal that Jack Warner told Bin Hamman "don't worry about declaring the money, I will take care of that"?  Please elaborate on the evidence that Gibbs now supposedly has.

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You know perfectly well that the law states you must make a declaration if you are bringing more than a specified amount of foreign currency in or out of the country. I don't understand why you will not admit this.

Wtf are you talking about me not admitting this... I posted the facking law back in that other "Bin Hamman" thread months ago. How am I not admitting what the law states?

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You also know that if somebody has knowledge of such an incidence and fails to report it, they can be accused of conspiracy or being an accessory

Actually I know no such thing.  If YOU know a man is setting up to rob a store and you don't go to the police, does that mean that you have conspired with the bank robber? Do you really think about what you're saying before posting it?  Then you get upset when I use words like "ridiculous" and "nonsense" to describe it.  That's exactly what this line of thinking is... ridiculous.

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And we musn't forget the testimony that reported that delegates were given a cell phone number to call if they had trouble taking the money out of the country (although this was not investigated, so its just an allegation at this point.)

Lol... "testimony"... okay.  Since you concede this is just an "allegation" then I don't think we need to dwell on it any further.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: royal on October 12, 2011, 07:50:54 PM
I ain't know legal person but to me that video is a waste of time.It ain't say anything to hang Jack.FIFA pass IOC as the most corrupt international sporting body.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 12, 2011, 09:21:12 PM
"So let me get this straight... you're saying Jack should have 1) called customs to let them know BH was coming into the country with cash; 2) After BH met him at the Hyatt he should have asked him whether he declared the cash; 3) While or after BH was here Jack should have called customs to let them know he didn't declare the cash.  This is your argument?  Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds... seriously?"

I will only answer this section.
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes

Why is this so ridiculous? First Warner should have advised bin Hamman to transfer funds into each Federation account, by wire or by cheque...after all, its not a bribe, right, so why does it have to be cash in an envelope passed in private? Secondly, his reasoning for this should have been to ensure bin Hamman did not attempt to bring undeclared foreign currency into the country. Thirdly, if, as you say, Warner was working in the best interests of CFU, he would not have wanted them to carry undeclared currency out of the country and become involved in a scandal if caught.

As you know, I'm no lawyer and sometimes my concept of right and wrong does not reflect the law. However, I'm damn sure that you can be charged in some way if you know of an impending crime and do not help to prevent it, if you are aware a crime is taking place and you do not prevent it, and if you have knowledge of a crime that has taken place but do not report it. But, of course, I may be wrong about that. But if there is no law as such, I'm pretty damn sure it is not acceptable in any civilised country for a cabinet minister to be associated with a crime that he had full knowledge of, and still retain his position in the government.

Because you say you are arguing about the alleged bribes, they still form part of the lawbreaking, as the cash brought in was undeclared and the cash taken out was undeclared.

To clear things up lets make it simple. Person A tells Person B to bring drugs into the country. Person B brings in the drugs and Person A distributes them. Persons C to AA take the drugs out of the country to 25 other countries. Now I know drugs are far more serious than a bit of money laundering, but the concept is the same. Person A would be deemed the Mr Big who orchestrated the plan. Person B would be the International drug kingpin and the 25 others would be the local drug barons.

If the laws on non decleration of foreign currency have been broken, Warner was involved.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 12, 2011, 10:07:54 PM
Bakes:
 
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There is so much that is ridiculous about this paragraph that I almost don't know where to begin.  Because Jack knew that BH was bringing cash into the country or encouraged him to bring cash into the country that means that Jack broke the law?  Whose law... yours?  What compels him to hand over the cash BH intended for the CFU... your words?  Your sense of what's right or wrong?  steups..

Jack was an accessory after the fact. If you are entering the country with as much cash as BH did, you have to declare it.
The issue is...was it declared? NO.
Did Jack know that BH was bringing in cash? Yes and as much as that is a gray area we've heard Jack advising him to bring in cash therefore he was conspiring with BH.

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 02:33:11 AM
MEP you're out of your league and speculating... no offense.  If you insist that Jack is guilty of "conspiring with BH" then I'll ask you to cite for me the definition of conspiracy under TT law and explain how Jack's actions fit the definition.  If you insist he's an accessory after the fact, then I charge you with the same task.

FS, all I can tell you is that for all your smarts you can be hopelessly naive at times. What is "acceptable" and what actually happens in reality are often oceans apart.  You, MEP and others seem to think conjecture is enough to drag Jack into courts... good luck with allyuh campaign.  Next time yuh see ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: just cool on October 13, 2011, 02:40:33 AM
This news is disturbing me a lot.

You guys are so amazing here its a shame.

Jack tried to form a Caribbean unity.

Give Caribbean people a voice.

Fight for CFU instead of being run by a European who have no interest in Caribbean football.

You wouldn't believe the benefits CFU would have had if Bin Hammam had won election.

Do you believe Platini or Blatter would do a better job.

These white men does not give a rats behind about CFU.

Jack fought hard for Concacaf, we had two places before ladies and gentlemen, he got us 3.5, no one else would have done the same.

Now Platini will inherit FIFA and CFU and Concacaf is doomed.

Be careful what you wish for.

Europeans laugh at us guys. They are slave drivers, especially the French.

The Mexicans and Guatemalans are for themselves.

USA is Chuck Blazer's world, and believe you me, he have no respect for small island people, a typical American.

Can you guys see the benefits and favouritism European countries gets comepare to the others.

We need a minority in FIFA who have us at heart.

Who ever taped this will soon feel the pinch, I am surprise one of our own sold us for pennies.

Jack will be laughing soon. !!!!!!!
Bred this is my honest opinion. i believe that jack warner was and still is good for concacaf and CFU, no if ands or buts, but he was awfully bad for T&T football. no if ands or buts.


PS: how could you be ah fair minded man and give 6,000 TTD to our players for 3 WC games, when we made 188mil total ? what part of that is even humane. according to pfister, that is crimes against humanity, in other word, fackin slavery!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: vb on October 13, 2011, 05:11:54 AM
You have to wonder how much this really hurting JW.

He says that Blatter knew about the money up front.

He also said that anyone could refuse the money.

And that Bin Hamin is not guaranteed a vote.

Interesting.

VB
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 13, 2011, 06:59:34 AM
If it was "two separate observations" then I am not the one connecting them

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I see Lisle Austin get a shout out from Jack and it confirm some of the warped workings of the mans mind.

It is clear that in your mind the shout out "confirmed" things about the workings of Warner's mind... but whatever.  He didn't even call Austin by name... but again, if that is some kinda "shout out" worthy of highlighting to you, then so be it.

As I tried to explain that is not what is clear in my mind. I was commenting on the transcript and making two separate observations as in - I see Lise Austin get shout out (in the transcript) and it (the transcript) confirms Warners warped thinking.

As for the rest of what you type... it seems apparent to me that you didn't watch the video and just (mis)read the transcripts.  Jack never said anything about keeping anything secret... in fact he clearly states that what was being discussed in the room was no secret to FIFA, since he let Blatter know what was going on.

Yes I read the transcript and while he talks about Blatter being aware he also expresses dismay at delegates sharing details of the meeting with the Concacaf office in NY, dismay at the media being aware of something. At another point he says that they could disgree and discuss as much as they want but what happens there should stay there.

This "bribe" as allyuh insist on painting it, is as improper as the bribe by the British to help develop facilities in Trinidad, as improper as them coming to TnT to play a meaningless friendly, as improper as Beckham holding a clinic for local kids... all clearly meant to influence Warner's support of the English WC bid. All of this was done in the open... why didn't FIFA charge Warner... and Lord Triesman et al over that?   The answer clearly is hypocrisy.  All of this moral posturing about what was "improper" and what not is just that... posturing.  The issue isn't one of propriety, the issues are illegal behavior that might subject him to TnT law, or unethical behavior that might subject him to FIFA discipline.  No such behavior is present on the film, nor has any such behavior been alleged save for Blazer/FIFA with the "bribe" talk.


I havent been pushing any bribe talk as far as him being open to prosecution under TnT law. My point is that Warners thinking was terrible flawed.

Even if you consider FIFAs low ethical standard his failure to foresee problems with facilitating these gifts/grants from a candidate challenging the established leadership indicates that Warner was not thinking as normal people would. He was thinking as he would that everyone of the 25 was corrupt, corruptible, too greedy to pass up free money or too beholden to him as the CFU Czar to object. In fact the first thing I said when this all broke was that Warner got lazy in his scheming and didnt think things through.

I would also say there are are significant differences between WC bidding and FIFA presidential voting and that this action was unprecedented even within FIFA but that would be a long post. For WC bids you are wooing 24 senior executives, seasoned politicians accustomed to public and private horse trading. This arrangement is offering 40,000 to 25 people who are on a completely different level. More importantly Warner clearly did not have their buy-in from them. My point was that it was warped thinking for Warner to think that this deal would be kosher.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: lefty on October 13, 2011, 07:20:31 AM
My point was that it was warped thinking for Warner to think that this deal would be kosher.


this is what I been thinkin myself, in fact I called it a dumb move since the CFU will vote as a block talk started up, is like playin all fours an showing yuh hand and yuh only trump a Jack....no pun intended
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 13, 2011, 08:22:41 AM
"FS, all I can tell you is that for all your smarts you can be hopelessly naive at times. What is "acceptable" and what actually happens in reality are often oceans apart.  You, MEP and others seem to think conjecture is enough to drag Jack into courts... good luck with allyuh campaign.  Next time yuh see ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it."

I guess this is the problem with T&T. You call me naive, but anybody who hears that recording and believes there was no bribe is beyond naive. Anybody who still believes Warner has never done anything wrong is naive.  People can be caught redhanded and its still not enough.

Yes Bakes, you can argue until time immamorial about this and that but what we heard on the tape is enough to yet again embarrass T&T internationally, force a resignation, and start an investigation. I can understand why some less educated people may not see that, but someone who is educated and has the benefits of living overseas should be, in my opinion, screaming for Jack to go, writing letters to Kamla, the government, other M.P.s, newspapers etc.

I just don't understand your angle.

But then, I remember 5 years ago people on this site saying that Warner will never go to court and the players would never get a red cent. It may take time, but justice will prevail.

As for "ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it." why report it, it nots like its trafficking in child protitutes, right? 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: oconnorg on October 13, 2011, 08:29:46 AM
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.

I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.

Regards,
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 13, 2011, 08:32:24 AM
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.

I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.

Regards,

OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: oconnorg on October 13, 2011, 08:39:21 AM
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.

I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.

Regards,

OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.

Girl, i watch the vid grinning ear to ear wondering to my self How he going to weasel him self outta this one.

I was not hiding, I was like the Observer.. Just Observing. lol ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 13, 2011, 08:57:25 AM
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.

I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.

Regards,

OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.

Girl, i watch the vid grinning ear to ear wondering to my self How he going to weasel him self outta this one.

I was not hiding, I was like the Observer.. Just Observing. lol ;D

 I C

He will b easy to weasel himself because people in Trini doh 2 dey wuk. Me eh like some people and feel I is the brightest in these parts but I figure out what happen and how if anybody wanted to do someting would have done it long ago. This is how it play out Ben H have a diplomatic passport so therefore he did not have to go through customs and he partner d Min of Works meet him in d airport. So the legal experts need to tell me if a diplomat can bring in undisclosed sums of money and is therefore not subject to the custom laws. If that is the case then and only then NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Jumbie on October 13, 2011, 09:19:06 AM
Dem brits cud HTMC for pushing this vendetta. No WC..hush ur c**t and try again. As far as Fifa goes.. yuh cud start a comic book series called League Of Crooks bout them. Is real characters, plots and backstabbing.. so is real content for the series.

Austin boi... in the process of trying to help the region you got too greedy and took advantage of people. Yuh have to sleep in the bed you made papa.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 09:36:35 AM
FS ah sorry eh buh hoss fuh as intelligent as yuh want to seem yuh rell ignorant fella.  Do you think that tape by itself without any further PROOF is enough to convict Jack Warner of anything in a court of law?  At any point did he say to the CFU members you are obligated to vote for BH?  If gifts are allowed in the "bidding" process but you don't or cannot see that as a bribe, then how is what the footage shows a "bribe?"  What exactly is the purpose of gifts in the bidding process if not to sway the votes in favor of the gift giver?

Just so you know a bribe is defined as:

1. money or any other valuable consideration given or promised with a view to corrupting the behavior of a person, especially in that person's performance as an athlete, public official, etc.:
2. anything given or serving to persuade or induce:

So after reviewing the definition can you honestly say all that the English FA offered in order to try to win the CFU votes to land the 2018 or 2012 WC was not a "bribe?"  Or is it not a bribe because FIFA "say it OK?"
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
Jack will get out of this some how I am sure.

I think he got properly well setup, and who ever made this vid, sat on it till they got a good price for it.

Regards,

OCONNORG IS U. Jack bring u out of hiding.

Girl, i watch the vid grinning ear to ear wondering to my self How he going to weasel him self outta this one.

I was not hiding, I was like the Observer.. Just Observing. lol ;D

 I C

He will b easy to weasel himself because people in Trini doh 2 dey wuk. Me eh like some people and feel I is the brightest in these parts but I figure out what happen and how if anybody wanted to do someting would have done it long ago. This is how it play out Ben H have a diplomatic passport so therefore he did not have to go through customs and he partner d Min of Works meet him in d airport. So the legal experts need to tell me if a diplomat can bring in undisclosed sums of money and is therefore not subject to the custom laws. If that is the case then and only then NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.

Actually there are many special allowances for Diplomats and though I am not certain of the specifics, I imagine they are afforded additional privileges with regard to how much cash they can travel with as opposed to the average joe.  Now it have 2 flaws in what you propogating right off the back.  1. you seem to be assuming BH brought cash when Warner could very well have that amount of physical cash and use that after recieving a check from BH.  2. You also seem to be operating under the conclusion that Warner was complicit in hatching a sceme to bring the cash in (if in fact BH under Diplo Immunity would not be allowed to).  The problem with that is neither you nor anyone here KNOWS anything that can PROVE these assertions.  It's as if because (as we all know) Jack like money and does take plenty advantage, that he somehow overly simple and stupid to the point that he will make these elementary errors.  That tape actually does a much better job making Jack look like a scapegoat rather than a co-conspirator.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 13, 2011, 09:57:36 AM
FS ah sorry eh buh hoss fuh as intelligent as yuh want to seem yuh rell ignorant fella.  Do you think that tape by itself without any further PROOF is enough to convict Jack Warner of anything in a court of law?  At any point did he say to the CFU members you are obligated to vote for BH?  If gifts are allowed in the "bidding" process but you don't or cannot see that as a bribe, then how is what the footage shows a "bribe?"  What exactly is the purpose of gifts in the bidding process if not to sway the votes in favor of the gift giver?

Just so you know a bribe is defined as:

1. money or any other valuable consideration given or promised with a view to corrupting the behavior of a person, especially in that person's performance as an athlete, public official, etc.:
2. anything given or serving to persuade or induce:

So after reviewing the definition can you honestly say all that the English FA offered in order to try to win the CFU votes to land the 2018 or 2012 WC was not a "bribe?"  Or is it not a bribe because FIFA "say it OK?"

Killa... me eh know nah... but this video is after de fact of de money sharing, when it became known that people complain to concacaf.
If I was in de room, de message I getting is...
"Allyuh keep allyuh black arse quiet... you ent see I looking out for allyuh! I never tell allyuh vote for Bin Hamman yesterday... all I do is share out $40,000 cash to do with as yuh please, it just happen to come from Bin Hamman. Sepp blatter and dem never give we nothing and it look like we arse dark if he continue. Look Bin Hamman giving we gifts... but vote for who yuh want eh... We voting as a block though"

Bribery usually involves alot of double speak and innuendo... Follow the Blagojevich case, these things difficult to prove either way.

In any case... I cyah vote for dat.

I wish more trinis saw it de same way

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 10:05:24 AM
As I tried to explain that is not what is clear in my mind. I was commenting on the transcript and making two separate observations as in - I see Lise Austin get shout out (in the transcript) and it (the transcript) confirms Warners warped thinking.

That wasn't entirely clear from what you typed... but I understand what you meant.


Yes I read the transcript and while he talks about Blatter being aware he also expresses dismay at delegates sharing details of the meeting with the Concacaf office in NY, dismay at the media being aware of something. At another point he says that they could disgree and discuss as much as they want but what happens there should stay there.

That is normal...  you have to listen to the tape rather than rely on the transcripts.  There are whole sentences left out of the transcripts which they claim is "inaudible" (for journalists you'd hope they realize that the word is "indecipherable/unintelligible").  The secrecy isn't so much a nefarious thing as it is more to give people confidence that they can speak candidly within the group... again, this is normal in any organization.

I havent been pushing any bribe talk as far as him being open to prosecution under TnT law. My point is that Warners thinking was terrible flawed.

Even if you consider FIFAs low ethical standard his failure to foresee problems with facilitating these gifts/grants from a candidate challenging the established leadership indicates that Warner was not thinking as normal people would. He was thinking as he would that everyone of the 25 was corrupt, corruptible, too greedy to pass up free money or too beholden to him as the CFU Czar to object. In fact the first thing I said when this all broke was that Warner got lazy in his scheming and didnt think things through.

I would also say there are are significant differences between WC bidding and FIFA presidential voting and that this action was unprecedented even within FIFA but that would be a long post. For WC bids you are wooing 24 senior executives, seasoned politicians accustomed to public and private horse trading. This arrangement is offering 40,000 to 25 people who are on a completely different level. More importantly Warner clearly did not have their buy-in from them. My point was that it was warped thinking for Warner to think that this deal would be kosher.


You could finesse the difference anyway you like... from what you saying "horse trading" among the ExCo is okay, trading ponies with hoi polloi is verboten.  In both circumstances you have gifts being given in hopes of influencing a vote.  A bribe is a bribe unless the ExCo say it's not a bribe.  I don't know what's normal practice within FIFA, but from the little window we have had into their operation, this is par for the course.  Clearly Warner also thought this was par for the course since he let Blatter know of the game ahead of time.  Maybe as yuh say he thinking was so warp that in his nearly 30 whatever years in FIFA he never see nothing like this but thought he'd start something and everybody would be cool with it.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 13, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
Scorpion

If a cheque was deposited in Jack a/c or a wire transfer made that should be easy enough to ascertain. If as a Diplomat u can bring in any amount of money show me that from the Min of Foreign Affairs. Until I see either  d cheque or the wire transfer or that he has the freedom to bring in any amount of money then I say a crime was committed and somebody eh doin they wuk.

Tape and bribe eh concern me when u look up bribe in d dictionary u does see FIFA/IOC.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Trini on October 13, 2011, 10:27:30 AM
So here is what reputable large multinational companies do to prevent this sort of drama...

They have something called a gift registry which MUST be used by any employee that receives a "gift" from someone who does business with that company.
You hadda enter the monetary value of the gift and this documentation will be sent to the legal department. They will then advise on whether there will be the apparant perception of conflict of interest/trying to bribe in smart etc etc.
If it is cleared, you could accept the gift.
If it will remotely appear that it will be controversial, you hadda return the gift or let higher management take it from there.
As an employee if you do that, you are in full compliance and ethical.
Now JW dont have much higher to go than him in FIFA besides Blatter, lol, who just so happens to be Bin Hamin's opponent.
But I am absolutely 100% sure that a body like FIFA will have a very formal gifts registry that the legal unit will be closely monitoring.
Here is where the personality of FIFA comes in, we know its one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. I am sure its only the mid and low level officials who actually follow the rules and utilize the registry.
If that the case, JW acted improperly and unethically and he did the right thing by resigning.

But in a court of law, he appears to have not broken any laws.
Even the decleration of Cash, that is fully on the man/people who bring in the cash.
You really think a Govt minister/FIFA VP have time to think about every single situation and chase down a man and ask him if he remember to declare his cash??
At the end of the day, JW did the best thing by resigning, it is also very very clear that there is a conspiracy against him by others in FIFA and perhaps English officials connected to the press/Jennings.
If I were him, I would get a real good PR company and you can spin this to a big advantage.
But then a man like JW must be aint have the time to do that, and then also, what the point?
He FIFA career done.

What is sad is how may people here jump up excited excited and saying Jack get ketch, Jack is the devil, finally proof of what we knew all along about how corrup he is.....Please think for yourself independently and not succumb to personal opinions and what the British press said. its almost like "massa say this, so is so" all over again.
I am the first to say I glad JW officially gone from T&T football (we all know this not really the case), and someone like him in Govt sends the wrong signals, but this whole situation about this tape is a joke, very deceiving from the British paper.

Boss post Bakes on page one....
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 10:29:06 AM
"FS, all I can tell you is that for all your smarts you can be hopelessly naive at times. What is "acceptable" and what actually happens in reality are often oceans apart.  You, MEP and others seem to think conjecture is enough to drag Jack into courts... good luck with allyuh campaign.  Next time yuh see ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it."

I guess this is the problem with T&T. You call me naive, but anybody who hears that recording and believes there was no bribe is beyond naive. Anybody who still believes Warner has never done anything wrong is naive.  People can be caught redhanded and its still not enough.

Now you just talking f**king shit... you think your beloved England any f**king better?  I'm sorry but whether we cool or not you starting to stray into dangerous territory with this kinda talk. All the blasted bribes England have been offering over the years to Warner and whomever else and you want to come here talking about 'that's the problem with T&T'?  Or is it just a bribe because cash was used instead of "cheques", wire transfers or non-cash gifts?  Nobody said anything about Warner's hands being clean and you have to be a damn ass to think that this is evidence of anybody being caught "redhanded".

Yes Bakes, you can argue until time immamorial about this and that but what we heard on the tape is enough to yet again embarrass T&T internationally, force a resignation, and start an investigation. I can understand why some less educated people may not see that, but someone who is educated and has the benefits of living overseas should be, in my opinion, screaming for Jack to go, writing letters to Kamla, the government, other M.P.s, newspapers etc.

Well if T&T is being embarrassed internationally then that is T&T's problem then, isn't it?  We've been enduring Jack for how long now?  How many times have we been embarrassed before?  I think we'll be alright.  Maybe it is precisely because I am "educated and [have] the benefits of living overseas" that I can put this in the proper context and realize this is not the great smoking gun you want to make it out to be. 

I'm not condoning wrongdoing by Jack or anybody else, but in the grand scheme of things this is incredibly minor... except the declaration thing.  If he abetted/encouraged it then he needs to be charged and kicked out of government.  Even if this wasn't FIFA we were talking about this tempest in a teapot would be overblown... the very fact that it's FIFA makes it even less significant.  If politicians were squeaky clean then there'd be no politics... it's not ideal but that's the reality.
 

I just don't understand your angle.

But then, I remember 5 years ago people on this site saying that Warner will never go to court and the players would never get a red cent. It may take time, but justice will prevail.

As for "ah fella smoking weed ah want yuh to go to de nearest police station and either report it, or turn yuhself in after the fact for not reporting it." why report it, it nots like its trafficking in child protitutes, right? 

It's not trafficking in child prostitutes but since you want to act like Mother Theresa, even to the point of imagining all kinds of far-fetched ridiculous responsibilities for citizens I fully expect you to practice what you preach.  Please don't forget to come and let us know what happen at the police station.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 13, 2011, 10:34:00 AM
So here is what reputable large multinational companies do to prevent this sort of drama...

They have something called a gift registry which MUST be used by any employee that receives a "gift" from someone who does business with that company.
You hadda enter the monetary value of the gift and this documentation will be sent to the legal department. They will then advise on whether there will be the apparant perception of conflict of interest/trying to bribe in smart etc etc.
If it is cleared, you could accept the gift.
If it will remotely appear that it will be controversial, you hadda return the gift or let higher management take it from there.
As an employee if you do that, you are in full compliance and ethical.
Now JW dont have much higher to go than him in FIFA besides Blatter, lol, who just so happens to be Bin Hamin's opponent.
But I am absolutely 100% sure that a body like FIFA will have a very formal gifts registry that the legal unit will be closely monitoring.
Here is where the personality of FIFA comes in, we know its one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. I am sure its only the mid and low level officials who actually follow the rules and utilize the registry.
If that the case, JW acted improperly and unethically and he did the right thing by resigning.

But in a court of law, he appears to have not broken any laws.
Even the decleration of Cash, that is fully on the man/people who bring in the cash.
You really think a Govt minister/FIFA VP have time to think about every single situation and chase down a man and ask him if he remember to declare his cash??
At the end of the day, JW did the best thing by resigning, it is also very very clear that there is a conspiracy against him by others in FIFA and perhaps English officials connected to the press/Jennings.
If I were him, I would get a real good PR company and you can spin this to a big advantage.
But then a man like JW must be aint have the time to do that, and then also, what the point?
He FIFA career done.

What is sad is how may people here jump up excited excited and saying Jack get ketch, Jack is the devil, finally proof of what we knew all along about how corrup he is.....Please think for yourself independently and not succumb to personal opinions and what the British press said. its almost like "massa say this, so is so" all over again.
I am the first to say I glad JW officially gone from T&T football (we all know this not really the case), and someone like him in Govt sends the wrong signals, but this whole situation about this tape is a joke, very deceiving from the British paper.

Boss post Bakes on page one....


So Jack as Minister 2 busy to make sure that the laws of TNT is obeyed I hear u. Agreed is Ben H who may have broken d law that Jack was 2 busy 2 check 2 c that was followed. After all d fella say d chicken was his own not d weed in d container.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
You really think a Govt minister/FIFA VP have time to think about every single situation and chase down a man and ask him if he remember to declare his cash??
At the end of the day, JW did the best thing by resigning, it is also very very clear that there is a conspiracy against him by others in FIFA and perhaps English officials connected to the press/Jennings.
If I were him, I would get a real good PR company and you can spin this to a big advantage.
But then a man like JW must be aint have the time to do that, and then also, what the point?
He FIFA career done.

What is sad is how may people here jump up excited excited and saying Jack get ketch, Jack is the devil, finally proof of what we knew all along about how corrup he is.....Please think for yourself independently and not succumb to personal opinions and what the British press said. its almost like "massa say this, so is so" all over again.
I am the first to say I glad JW officially gone from T&T football (we all know this not really the case), and someone like him in Govt sends the wrong signals, but this whole situation about this tape is a joke, very deceiving from the British paper.

Boss post Bakes on page one....

Exactly!  Amazing to me the hypocrisy of the English acting like their hands are so clean or that they are beyond reproach.  Can T&T ever embarrass itself the way England has over the years?  How many political scandals have there been over the years in England?  Charles and Diana was screwing other people while still married (to use one example), last I checked that was adultery... even in the Church of England.  Yet Charles still in line to be "King".  An adulterous King... where have we heard that before?  Nah... only the colonies supposed to have shame?  Steups.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:17:27 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:21:06 AM
As much as I agree the tape is not implicating, at the same time it can be argued that it is.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: supporter on October 13, 2011, 11:24:44 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:26:02 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)

JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Yes... for facilitating the commission of a crime.

Anticipating your next response... possessing or distributing cash is not a crime.  The most Jack could be "implicated" for is facilitating an exchange of the cash.  You can call it a bribe (itself not illegal in this context) as many are dead set on doing but Jack left himself enough wiggle room on the tape to even cast that in doubt.  To the sanctimonious English these doubts don't matter though... not while there are pikes to be sharpened and torches to be lit.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: supporter on October 13, 2011, 11:32:25 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)

JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"

Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:33:10 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Yes... for facilitating the commission of a crime.

Anticipating your next response... possessing or distributing cash is not a crime.  The most Jack could be "implicated" for is facilitating an exchange of the cash.  You can call it a bribe as many are dead set on doing but Jack left himself enough wiggle room on the tape to even cast that in doubt.  To the sanctimonious English these doubts don't matter though... not while there are pikes to be sharpened and torches to be lit.
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 11:35:06 AM
JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"

at what frame in the footage does this occur?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)

JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"

Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)

Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit.  Listen again.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 11:38:46 AM
Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit.  Listen again.

Is this the same video from the link Dinho posted or a different one?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: supporter on October 13, 2011, 11:39:42 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)

JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"

Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)

Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit.  Listen again.

Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
At 1:27 in the video the original poster linked to. He said he told him if he is bringing cash, he must give it to the CFU to give to the members.

It's not exactly how I said that "he told him to bring cash", my apologies. But he did know that BH was bringing cash and he instructed him on how to distributed that cash. He used a silly excuse about a private plane not being able to hold the luggage for all the members of the CFU.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 11:43:56 AM
The first thing JW ask before he start talking is if the media present, someone responded no, then he proceeded.

Question, If I tell ah man to bring in 10 kilos of cocaine and give it to certain people. When, the courier is caught, can I be implicated?

Jack never ask Bin H to bring anything. (Of course we all know he did, but based on this tape, we cant conclude that)

JW said "I tell him to bring cash....what will we do with some sand, we have better sand"

Thats not a crime. Bin H wanted to bring gifts. Jack never asked him to (Again, based on this tape. In reality, we all know JW did indeed imply he wanted some favors)

Go and listen again. BH wanted to bring some silver tray and some other trinkets with some type of sand in it and JW said what will we do with that. All the African countries getting turf field, so bring something we can use and he (JW) told him to bring cash so the CFU members can use it as they see fit.  Listen again.

Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.

I'm not saying it's gonna sending to jail, but he did know what was going to happen. You right.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 11:51:01 AM
At 1:27 in the video the original poster linked to. He said he told him if he is bringing cash, he must give it to the CFU to give to the members.

It's not exactly how I said that "he told him to bring cash", my apologies. But he did know that BH was bringing cash and he instructed him on how to distributed that cash. He used a silly excuse about a private plane not being able to hold the luggage for all the members of the CFU.

Hoss allyuh could rell f**k up ah story bad oui!!!  De man said (paraphrasing) BH say what he want to bring is too much luggage fuh ah private plane and he JW said BH "dont have to bring anything"  how you skip that part of what de man say hoss?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 13, 2011, 12:01:14 PM


Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.

Allyuh thais wha jack TELL DEM that he and bin Hamman talk bout... AFTER de fact of money passing!
He covering he arse...

I like wha a man say upthread... everybody know what really went on dey, difficult ting to prove though.

ah next ting... since when some wooden trophy and bunting is de equivalent of $40,000 IN CASH!! He ent self go on record and call it ah donation... and write some checks... or make a pledge. Come on.

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 12:02:29 PM
Hoss de man even say he eh even kno if BH is de bess choice needa!  De unedited recording works even more in JW favor :rotfl:

De man say plain and straight that if we go with Blatter we have to make sure dat Platinni is not an automatic successor which to me make sense because any successor should be voted in as opposed to simply handed leadership.

Nah man I eh ah JW fan buh Jah allyuh rell ridiculous to assert dat dis recording paints JW in a negative light.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 13, 2011, 12:04:42 PM
Hoss de man even say he eh even kno if BH is de bess choice needa!  De unedited recording works even more in JW favor :rotfl:

De man say plain and straight that if we go with Blatter we have to make sure dat Platinni is not an automatic successor which to me make sense because any successor should be voted in as opposed to simply handed leadership.

Nah man I eh ah JW fan buh Jah allyuh rell ridiculous to assert dat dis recording paints JW in a negative light.

Now.. we talking in fine details here... but Killa what you think really went on?  ;) plain talk
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 12:08:16 PM
Hoss de man even say he eh even kno if BH is de bess choice needa!  De unedited recording works even more in JW favor :rotfl:

De man say plain and straight that if we go with Blatter we have to make sure dat Platinni is not an automatic successor which to me make sense because any successor should be voted in as opposed to simply handed leadership.

Nah man I eh ah JW fan buh Jah allyuh rell ridiculous to assert dat dis recording paints JW in a negative light.

Now.. we talking in fine details here... but Killa what you think really went on?  ;) plain talk

I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: supporter on October 13, 2011, 12:08:20 PM


Elan, Bin H wanted to bring some wooden gifts but suggested he wouldnt be able to carry all of that for 30+ members. So, JW simply told him to bring a cash equivalent if that works for him. Looks harmless to me.

Allyuh thais wha jack TELL DEM that he and bin Hamman talk bout... AFTER de fact of money passing!
He covering he arse...

I like wha a man say upthread... everybody know what really went on dey, difficult ting to prove though.

ah next ting... since when some wooden trophy and bunting is de equivalent of $40,000 IN CASH!! He ent self go on record and call it ah donation... and write some checks... or make a pledge. Come on.



Oh, no doubt. We all know Jack bribed the hell out of Bin H. But, I was just commenting on whether the video itself implicated Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 12:10:49 PM
Oh, no doubt. We all know Jack bribed the hell out of Bin H. But, I was just commenting on whether the video itself implicated Jack.

Da video make JW look like he rell lookin out fuh CFU interests hard.  De man sounding like ah leader with his member nations in mind from beginning to end.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 13, 2011, 12:10:58 PM
I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 12:13:39 PM
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.

Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes.  Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash?  In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.

Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes.  Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash?  In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.

smart choice guy lol
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.

Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes.  Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash?  In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.

smart choice guy lol

Some people have a problem with simple deductive reasoning... they want to jump from A to C without first stopping at B.  Everybody know how FIFA... how life operates.  Of course Bin Hamman was buying votes... of course!  Of course Jack ent 'facilitate' the meeting for free... of course!  Of course Bin Hamman ride in, likely with a suitcase full of cash and the CFU delegates ride out with money... of course!  But inferences aside, do we have enough to say "Jack bribe Bin Hamman" or "Jack help him get thru customs and bypass de declaration"? Of course not!

When yuh come thru Piarco, customs with they self-important selves does ask yuh if yuh have anything to declare.  Most ah we does say no and dey doh even bother searching we... is ah honor system. You ent need to special help passing thru customs, especially not if yuh travelling on a diplomatic passport.  People acting like they don't know what "diplomatic immunity" mean.  Allyuh feel Bin Hamman get de FIFA and WC organizing job because de Qataris think he's ah smart football man?  He's ah high ranking member of the royal inner circle, dem men have gold pass wherever they travel.  Of course I doh know this for fact, but it really ent that much of a reach to figure out how thing went down.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.

Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes.  Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash?  In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.

smart choice guy lol

Some people have a problem with simple deductive reasoning... they want to jump from A to C without first stopping at B.  Everybody know how FIFA... how life operates.  Of course Bin Hamman was buying votes... of course!  Of course Jack ent 'facilitate' the meeting for free... of course!  Of course Bin Hamman ride in, likely with a suitcase full of cash and the CFU delegates ride out with money... of course!  But inferences aside, do we have enough to say "Jack bribe Bin Hamman" or "Jack help him get thru customs and bypass de declaration"? Of course not!

When yuh come thru Piarco, customs with they self-important selves does ask yuh if yuh have anything to declare.  Most ah we does say no and dey doh even bother searching we... is ah honor system. You ent need to special help passing thru customs, especially not if yuh travelling on a diplomatic passport.  People acting like they don't know what "diplomatic immunity" mean.  Allyuh feel Bin Hamman get de FIFA and WC organizing job because de Qataris think he's ah smart football man?  He's ah high ranking member of the royal inner circle, dem men have gold pass wherever they travel.  Of course I doh know this for fact, but it really ent that much of a reach to figure out how thing went down.

So yuh mean to tell meh JW din ha to wait outside in ah sedan in case BH geh accosted by customs?  :shameonyou:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 13, 2011, 01:55:05 PM
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
                                                        Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU  member? Yes
                                                        Do we have proof of that?                                 Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or
2.  that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail.
Now if we go with him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 13, 2011, 02:01:50 PM
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
                                                        Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU  member? Yes
                                                        Do we have proof of that?                                 Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or
2.  that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail.
Now if we go with him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.

I cyah get pass this...

Even if this was true... you ent allowing for progress at all
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 02:10:59 PM
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
                                                        Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU  member? Yes
                                                        Do we have proof of that?                                 Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed. Really?  What is this so called evidence?  Could it actually get someone convicted in court?
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume

 
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or Based on what exactly?
2.  that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail. If this is the case where is the crime? Is BH suspected of money laundering and therefore a wire tranfer would be cause for investigation?  When did it become a crime or violation of any kind to wire money to a foreign country and then withdraw once there?  So going by this if I wire $8000US to T&T and when I come withdraw all of it I have committed a crime since that is beyond the amount you allowed to come through customs with?

Now if we go with (why do we have to go with anything?  I thought there was evidence of something?) him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? So far you haven't connected JW to anything so there is nothing to deny is there?  yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.

Again based on what evidence can the witchunt sorry ah mean investigation be launched?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 13, 2011, 02:20:26 PM
Arrite Bakes lehwe work from this angle...is it a crime to bring in over $10,000 cash into the country? Yes
                                                        Was $40,000 in cash offered to any CFU  member? Yes
                                                        Do we have proof of that?                                 Yes
I know you're arguing the technicalities of the law but we have sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.
From a purely investigative standpoint we can assume
1. BH brought the cash in when he entered the country or
2.  that he somehow wired the money to the Caribbean and upon arrival withdrew it in allotments of $40,000. Highly implausible because it leaves a paper trail.
Now if we go with him knowingly bringing the money into the country then he either chose not to declare it or made a false declaration. Then he has committed a crime. Where did this cash come from? If I remember correctly from my Bank of Commerce days individual banks aren't allowed to keep more than $1,000 US in their vaults. What part Warner played is unknown. Plausible deniability? yes he can claim that but this is why an investigation needs to be done because there is a sitting member of Parliament and acting Prime Minister whose actions, at face value, appear to be improprietous.

I cyah get pass this...

Even if this was true... you ent allowing for progress at all

Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 02:34:31 PM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?

Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 02:52:00 PM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?

Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.

And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 13, 2011, 02:54:32 PM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?

Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.

And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?

Exactly 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 13, 2011, 03:22:35 PM
Rather than reply to individuals, this is my response to various replies here.

1) Warner admitted on the tape that he told bin Hamman not to bring silver trays as gifts, but to bring cash.
As far as I can discover, legitimate gifts (whether considered bribes or not) are declared. Donations to football projects are also acceptable. I believe that the giving of cash in brown envelopes is not considered acceptable. This debate is not about the ethics of FIFA or the English F.A. It is about stepping outside of the usual practices prescribed by FIFA. The difference is simple and is exhibited in governments and business. You are allowed to accept gifts if they are within a prescribed criteria. If you are unsure, you have to enquire with your relevent employer if the gift is accessible. For those of you who still can't understand this, please give me one verifiable instance where cash passed in secret is an accepted gift in the corporate or political world.

2) Whether the money was brought into the country under diplomatic immunity or not, it certainly didn't leave the country under such status. On one hand people saying Warner was looking after the CFU, but on the other he had no duty of care to remind them they would be illegally trafficking foreign currency if it was not declared. All he had to do was advise bin Hamman to transfer funds directly to their accounts or write them cheques.  For those of you who still can't understand this, please give me one sensible reason why bin Hamman didn't do this and instead went to the trouble of withdrawing 1 million U.S. dollars, flying it halfway around the world, arranging for it to be broken down into 25 piles, placing it in envelopes and taking it to a private room so each individual could collect it.

3) Just so I'm clear, which laws of T&T is it ok to break? As I was under the impression that all laws are supposed to be adhered to, which ones can I tell the police that I'm immune to? As much as you may think I'm fixated on seeing Warner charged for insignificant reasons, I actually believe that the laws are there for a reason. If you don't agree then write to your M.P. In the meantime, while we all bend the laws in some way, we also know that if we're caught we will pay the penalty, be it driving on the bus route, not declaring all income to the Inland Revenue, speeding etc. We know it may be wrong and we'll claim its unfair if we're caught, but we know its the law. Warner travels enough to know you cannot bring US$1 million in cash into another country without declaring it. In my opinion, Warner is not guilty of breaking the law, he is guilty of conspiring to break laws, or at least, failing to report a crime. Maybe this doesn't matter to John Q Public, but a govt minister should not be involved in this in any way, especially if he has a track record of involvement in suspect financial matters. All I've ever insisted on is that this is suitable evidence for Gibbs to investigate this situation. If Gibbs finds laws have been broken, and can gather sufficient evidence, then the courts will decide if individuals are guilty. Everyone here has been demanding the police go after the Big Fish, so lets see them do it. As for the alleged crime being insignificant, remember, AL Capone was only ever convicted of tax evasion.

4) All this lawyer talk about picking holes in statements is perfectly understandable in a court of law when representing clients, and you guys may well win your case based on these arguments. However, here, it is not necessary to defend Warner, bin Hamman or the CFU delegates, because they have that ability themselves. Its interesting for this to be pointed out, but it doesn't need to be an attack (which is how it reads) but a statement based on information and interpretation. We all know that an accused person will have their defence, but the intrinsic question here is: should the police investigate the possibility that a crime has been committed. If we agree with some posters here, we don't need investigators or courts, just a lawyer to argue for the accused and ignore vital questions.

To recap:
Has a law been broken?  Possibly (Non declaration of foreign currency crossing borders)
Is there any kind of evidence that a law may have been broken? Definitely (affidavits from delegates, video footage discussing cash payments in foreign currency)
Is it in the public interest to investigate? Definitely. (Aside from a cabinet minister being involved, the globalisation of the story reflects the integrity of the government)

As someone else stated here "Some people have a problem with simple deductive reasoning"
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 13, 2011, 03:37:45 PM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?

Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.

And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?

Exactly 

One of the answers to this is that the existence of the cash has been denied.

Officials from nine associations told investigators last month they were given or offered cash gifts. The other 15 denied receiving any cash gifts or refused to meet investigators. Four associations did not respond to invitations to meet investigatorsAnguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica and Montserrat.

A further 11 associations did send officials to meet investigators but denied receiving cash gifts. They were: Barbados, Guyana, British Virgin Islands, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent and Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago and United States Virgin Islands.


Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just hear Jack talking about cash gifts? (remember Jack has admitted its his voice). So when we see the BVI lady putting her hand up for the "gifts" the others don't want, how is she still going to deny this.

So if bin Hamman did everything legitimately, why did he not just show the wire transfer statements? Maybe its because he wanted to keep the gifts secret because they are against FIFA rules? Well, now the cats out of the bag, he can prove, at least, that he broke no currency laws. But I bet you he won't. Because, in all probability he brought cash.

And while we're talking about denyability, Groden denied cash gifts were offered. As he has not said that he refused the gift, where is the money?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: asylumseeker on October 13, 2011, 03:44:53 PM
Possession of cash is not a crime, but bringing in over $10, 000 dollars without declaration is a crime.

Steups... this is why I cyah have patience with allyuh yes.  Can you point to anything either on the tape or in fact that shows Jack telling Bin Hamman to not declare the cash?  In fact, yuh know what... doh bother, I done.

The $10,000 figure is the US standard. Entry into Trinidad & Tobago contemplates the filling out of an additional/separate Customs Declaration form for amounts in excess of $20,000 TTD or its equivalent in foreign currency ... on the initial Customs Declaration form provided the passenger,the passenger has to declare whether he/she is in possession of funds exceeding 20K TTD. Where the passenger is in possesion of funds exceeding that threshold, a separate CD form has to be completed. On that form the source of the funds has to be provided.

Assessment of the circumstances is discretionary upon Customs & Excise.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 13, 2011, 03:49:48 PM
Rather than reply to individuals, this is my response to various replies here.

1) Warner admitted on the tape that he told bin Hamman not to bring silver trays as gifts, but to bring cash.
As far as I can discover, legitimate gifts (whether considered bribes or not) are declared. Donations to football projects are also acceptable. I believe that the giving of cash in brown envelopes is not considered acceptable. This debate is not about the ethics of FIFA or the English F.A. It is about stepping outside of the usual practices prescribed by FIFA. The difference is simple and is exhibited in governments and business. You are allowed to accept gifts if they are within a prescribed criteria. If you are unsure, you have to enquire with your relevent employer if the gift is accessible. For those of you who still can't understand this, please give me one verifiable instance where cash passed in secret is an accepted gift in the corporate or political world.

2) Whether the money was brought into the country under diplomatic immunity or not, it certainly didn't leave the country under such status. On one hand people saying Warner was looking after the CFU, but on the other he had no duty of care to remind them they would be illegally trafficking foreign currency if it was not declared. All he had to do was advise bin Hamman to transfer funds directly to their accounts or write them cheques.  For those of you who still can't understand this, please give me one sensible reason why bin Hamman didn't do this and instead went to the trouble of withdrawing 1 million U.S. dollars, flying it halfway around the world, arranging for it to be broken down into 25 piles, placing it in envelopes and taking it to a private room so each individual could collect it.

3) Just so I'm clear, which laws of T&T is it ok to break? As I was under the impression that all laws are supposed to be adhered to, which ones can I tell the police that I'm immune to? As much as you may think I'm fixated on seeing Warner charged for insignificant reasons, I actually believe that the laws are there for a reason. If you don't agree then write to your M.P. In the meantime, while we all bend the laws in some way, we also know that if we're caught we will pay the penalty, be it driving on the bus route, not declaring all income to the Inland Revenue, speeding etc. We know it may be wrong and we'll claim its unfair if we're caught, but we know its the law. Warner travels enough to know you cannot bring US$1 million in cash into another country without declaring it. In my opinion, Warner is not guilty of breaking the law, he is guilty of conspiring to break laws, or at least, failing to report a crime. Maybe this doesn't matter to John Q Public, but a govt minister should not be involved in this in any way, especially if he has a track record of involvement in suspect financial matters. All I've ever insisted on is that this is suitable evidence for Gibbs to investigate this situation. If Gibbs finds laws have been broken, and can gather sufficient evidence, then the courts will decide if individuals are guilty. Everyone here has been demanding the police go after the Big Fish, so lets see them do it. As for the alleged crime being insignificant, remember, AL Capone was only ever convicted of tax evasion.

4) All this lawyer talk about picking holes in statements is perfectly understandable in a court of law when representing clients, and you guys may well win your case based on these arguments. However, here, it is not necessary to defend Warner, bin Hamman or the CFU delegates, because they have that ability themselves. Its interesting for this to be pointed out, but it doesn't need to be an attack (which is how it reads) but a statement based on information and interpretation. We all know that an accused person will have their defence, but the intrinsic question here is: should the police investigate the possibility that a crime has been committed. If we agree with some posters here, we don't need investigators or courts, just a lawyer to argue for the accused and ignore vital questions.

To recap:
Has a law been broken?  Possibly (Non declaration of foreign currency crossing borders)
Is there any kind of evidence that a law may have been broken? Definitely (affidavits from delegates, video footage discussing cash payments in foreign currency)
Is it in the public interest to investigate? Definitely. (Aside from a cabinet minister being involved, the globalisation of the story reflects the integrity of the government)

As someone else stated here "Some people have a problem with simple deductive reasoning"


1. Wrong!  Unless you invent yuh own tape stop making shit up!  Based on the unedited audio, BH said what he wanted to bring was too much luggage and Warner told him "you don't have to bring nothing" and BH insisted so then JW said "put a value on it and give that to the nations."  He didn't on that tape say "I tell him give cash"  Based on what he says in that footage BH decided on the value and was insistent on giving the CFU member nations a "gift"

2. Trafficking foreign currency?! :rotfl: How do you know who left with what and how they did it?  How do you know what was said in the initial meeting on May 10th?  How do you know that the funds weren't returned to JW in exchange for a wire transfer of said amount to a bank in the member nations jurisdiction?  How do you know they werent't deposited in a local branch of a bank that also does business in their nation?  Or is it that you don't think things are so advanced around the caribbean?  What exactly do you know other than whatever bullshit yuh mind conjuring up?

3. He is guilty you say?  How do you know this for a fact?  Conspiracy?  How so?  So a wealthy person such as BH couldn't possibly wire money and make arrangements with the main office of any of the banking institutions here to withdraw it in US currency once here?  Yuh feel is f**kin barter system still in T&T aought?  Can you prove any of the bullshit you keep trying to claim is reality?

4. Police cannot investigate a crime on a whim.  First there has to be some shred of evidence that a crime was committed.  Unless I mistaken I haven't heard anyone bring forth a legitimate accusation supported by any miniscule piece of evidence that Warner committed or aided in the commission of a crime.

To recap, the police cannot investigate a crime based on a possibility that they have not concluded from being within the environment and having cause for suspicion.  All the connect the dots you trying to do is great but that would be grounds for removal should the police go with that pack ah shit as their resoning for launching an investigation.  The video footage will much sooner exonerate JW from any wrong doing than convict him.  So far you have failed miserably to show where there is evidence enough to launch an inquiry much less prove JW did anything wrong.  Is his hands dirty? Probably but that isn't enough for anything that you suggest.

So if bin Hamman did everything legitimately, why did he not just show the wire transfer statements? Maybe its because he wanted to keep the gifts secret because they are against FIFA rules? Well, now the cats out of the bag, he can prove, at least, that he broke no currency laws. But I bet you he won't. Because, in all probability he brought cash.

You does suffer with yuh brains aought?  FIFA was investigating whether he got the funds to T&T legally?  How would that have helped his case regarding bribery?  You have serious issues oui!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: D.H.W on October 13, 2011, 04:57:46 PM
PM refers Warner video to AG
Thursday 13th October, 2011
 
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has asked the Attorney General for his view on a leaked videotape posted on the website of a British newspaper on Wednesday.
 
The videotape features the voice of Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner speaking at a meeting with heads of the Caribbean Football Union on May 10th and 11th at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. In the video, he is heard telling officials to accept cash gifts from disgraced FIFA Presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam but they were under no obligation to do so.
 
On Wednesday, Mr Warner admitted to the media that it was his voice on the recording but said it was doctored to incriminate him.
 
Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar was questioned about the video on Thursday afternoon. She said: "I have looked at the video and read the transcript and I have referred the matters to the Attorney General to advise whether there is anything to be concerned about."
 
The Prime Minister also said the former Chairman of the Integrity Commission, Dr Eric St Cyr, made the right decision by resigning after he spoke to the media about an investigation into HDC Chairman Jearlene John.
 
Mrs Persad-Bissessar, who was also the subject of statements made by Dr St Cyr earlier this year after it was revealed that she stayed at her friends' home before and after last year's General Election, said: "It is not the first time that there has been concerned with words spoken by him. I think he did the right thing and no further on it."
 
The Prime Minister said she is yet to receive advice from the President on the appointment of Dr St Cyr's replacement.
 
"The process is the President will consult with the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition. That has not yet taken place so it will not be inappropriate for me to speak on it. The President will write me and that consultation will take place."

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Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 13, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/13/pnm-cop-jack-video-pm-must-address-issue-now
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 13, 2011, 06:33:59 PM
Jack Horner
It is hypocritical to talk about Europeans taking over when Jack has continuously brought European coaches and gave them hefty rewards while he continued to squeeze local coaches especially Cummings on who's back he rode to make his millions after his success in 1989! He traded and used as leverage with the help of Blazer! If he had advanced the progress of our coaches and players the country would have stood with him but he has done just the opposite !the same ones he advanced now turn around and stabbed him in his back! What you do to your brother , you do to yourself? it seems Jack has tied himself up . The whole country and region and indeed the world is looking to see how this one plays out! Our country's democracy and credibility is at stake! I feel it for the PM she does not need this! He needs to do the honourable thing !
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 13, 2011, 06:51:42 PM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?


You asking answers
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 13, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
PM refers Warner video to AG
Thursday 13th October, 2011
 
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has asked the Attorney General for his view on a leaked videotape posted on the website of a British newspaper on Wednesday.
 
The videotape features the voice of Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner speaking at a meeting with heads of the Caribbean Football Union on May 10th and 11th at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. In the video, he is heard telling officials to accept cash gifts from disgraced FIFA Presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam but they were under no obligation to do so.
 
On Wednesday, Mr Warner admitted to the media that it was his voice on the recording but said it was doctored to incriminate him.
 
Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar was questioned about the video on Thursday afternoon. She said: "I have looked at the video and read the transcript and I have referred the matters to the Attorney General to advise whether there is anything to be concerned about."
 
The Prime Minister also said the former Chairman of the Integrity Commission, Dr Eric St Cyr, made the right decision by resigning after he spoke to the media about an investigation into HDC Chairman Jearlene John.
 
Mrs Persad-Bissessar, who was also the subject of statements made by Dr St Cyr earlier this year after it was revealed that she stayed at her friends' home before and after last year's General Election, said: "It is not the first time that there has been concerned with words spoken by him. I think he did the right thing and no further on it."
 
The Prime Minister said she is yet to receive advice from the President on the appointment of Dr St Cyr's replacement.
 
"The process is the President will consult with the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition. That has not yet taken place so it will not be inappropriate for me to speak on it. The President will write me and that consultation will take place."

http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33258&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Hey Mad.
In the grown up world most of us live in, this means bring cash : JW said "put a value on it and give that to the nations."  He didn't on that tape say "I tell him give cash"  What was he supposed to bring? Beads? Rugs? What? Any moron knows this referred to cash.

And you being, supposedly, versed in the law advised me: Police cannot investigate a crime on a whim.  First there has to be some shred of evidence that a crime was committed.  Unless I mistaken I haven't heard anyone bring forth a legitimate accusation supported by any miniscule piece of evidence that Warner committed or aided in the commission of a crime. But funnily enough, the Prime Minister deems this sufficient to refer this to the Attorney General. Maybe this is just a CYA move, but at least intelligent people are taking it more seriously than you.

For your information, police sometimes actually investigate incidents to decide if laws are broken. At that point they decide whether or not to charge people. All I have ever suggested is that this should be investigated because in my opinion laws appear to be broken.

Most of your other comments are obsolete because, quite simply, you cannot read.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: maxg on October 13, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"

 :rotfl:
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Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Flex on October 14, 2011, 05:21:08 AM
PM refers Warner videotape for advice.
By Renuka Singh (Express).


BALL IN AG'S COURT

The video and transcripts of Works Minister Jack Warner offering advice on "gifts" from former FIFA presidential hopeful, Qatari Mohamed bin Hammam, to Caribbean Football Union officials have been handed over to the Attorney General.

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said yesterday she saw the video and read the transcripts and decided to hand the entire matter over to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.

"I have referred the matter to the Attorney General to advise whether there is anything to be concerned about," she said. Persad-Bissessar was speaking to reporters after the launch of the National Integrated Business Incubator System (IBIS) at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain yesterday.

Warner demitted office as vice president of FIFA over the investigations into the allegations of bribery back in June.

Persad-Bissessar said despite the investigations, Warner attended yesterday's Cabinet meeting.

When asked if Warner still has her full support, the Prime Minister said: "I am awaiting the comments from the Attorney General".

Warner was said to be on his way to Mayaro yesterday afternoon and was unavailable for comment.

In a brief telephone interview yesterday, Ramlogan said he did not want to say anything on the matter just yet. He would only confirm that he was asked to look into the matter and he was doing so.

In the interpretation of the video published by British newspaper The Telegraph which was published on Wednesday, Warner appears to be recorded telling other members of the CFU that they must decide whether to accept the "gifts" of $40,000 (25,000) each, and urging them to vote for bin Hammam rather than current president Sepp Blatter in the Fifa presidential elections.

The recording was made on May 11, the day after bin Hammam is alleged to have offered the money in individual brown envelopes, and is being used as evidence at a Fifa hearing this week in which 16 officials from the Caribbean Football Union are accused of violating Fifa's code of ethics.

The 16 officials facing investigation this week have each been given the footage of the tape.

On the tape, Warner begins the meeting by asking: "Is there media here?" On being told there are no journalists present, he explains the detail behind bin Hammam's "gifts" but stresses they should not be seen by the outside world to have come from bin Hammam.

The 16David Hinds, Mark Bob Forde (Barbados), Franka Pickering, Aubrey Liburd (British Virgin Islands), David Frederick (Cayman Islands), Osiris Guzman, Felix Ledesma (Dominican Republic), Colin Klass, Noel Adonis (Guyana) Yves Jean-Bart (Haiti), Anthony Johnson (St Kitts and Nevis) Patrick Mathurin, (St Lucia) Joseph Delves, Ian Hypolite (St Vincent and the Grenadines) Richard Groden (Trinidad and Tobago) and Hillaren Frederick (US Virgin Islands) are the subjects of an enquiry, to determine whether they acted inappropriately at a special meeting held in T&T on May 10 and 11.

Persad-Bissessar also commended former head of the Integrity Commission, Dr Eric St Cyr, on his decision to resign.

"I think he did the right thing and no further on it," she said, barring any other questions on the matter yesterday.

She said no one has been tipped to replace St Cyr just yet, adding that the President had to consult with her and the Opposition Leader before a decision is made.

"That has not yet taken place so it would not be appropriate for me to speak on it," she said.

The Prime Minister denied any political interference in the Commissioner of Police's decision not to grant the People's National Movement application to hold a public meeting today.

She said the Government's activities have been curtailed by the State of Emergency restrictions too and advised the PNM to hold an indoor meeting.

"Most certainly we (Government) have not been holding any public meetings, you could meet, we have met at our headquarters. You can have indoor meetings, not public meetings," she said.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: fishs on October 14, 2011, 06:57:24 AM
Telling tales in Daily Telegraph
Published: Fri, 2011-10-14 07:15
Valentino Singh
Tweet  If I were former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, Id be looking to send a thank you card to the person who leaked the infamous Caribbean Football Unions (CFU) video recording, now being promoted on the London Daily Telegraph. As a matter of fact, knowing Warner as I do, it wont surprise me one bit if he himself sent that recording to London. What else can I think? After listening carefully to what was said, unless you are someone with an insatiable dislike for the numero uno man of football in the region, you cannot help but conclude that the recording completely exonerates Warner of all bribery charges which FIFA may have aimed at him. I didnt need someone from Yale or Harvard to convince me that Warner was implicit in his contribution that no one who was being gifted at that meeting was obligated to vote for Muhammad Bin Hamman, the man on whose behalf the meeting was being held. He was clear on the reason why Bin Hamman was giving cash instead of the culturally established practise of FIFA, where exorbitant gifts are the norm.

He asked for nothing for himself. In fact, neither did he ask for anything for any member of the CFU. He simply didnt ask. It was Bin Hammam who insisted that the private jet which he was using to come to Trinidad could not accommodate gifts for the 25 members of the CFU and opted to make his contribution in cash. Warner went to great lengths to explain that Bin Hammam's gifts were not for personal enrichment but for use in the development of football in the various territories and were not to be regarded as enticement to procure members' votes as members were expected to vote according to the dictates of their conscience. He then went to great lengths to apprise everyone present of all the facts, the pros and the cons. As head of the CFU, Warner had a responsibility to his membership to express an understanding of the situation as it related to their choices of Bin Hamman or Sepp Blatter for presidency. And this he did, pointing out that the heir apparent or the most likely man to succeed Blatter in four years time was Michel Platini - a Frenchman.

Did they want to go back to Europe? Or would someone from another part of the world with fresh ideas be their choice? I would think that those of us who believe in democracy would applaud Warners initiative. As far as I am concerned he was seeking to gain every advantage for his own region in as democratic a way as one would wish. And who can blame him? I am still waiting to understand what part of the recording constitute a bribe. But like I said I am hamstrung by the limits placed on me by my failure to attend Harvard or Yale. All I can say is that in my very humble view, FIFA may have initiated charges against Warner for bribery and they may very well have been valid, but if this is the recording that was meant to implicate him, I respectfully submit that it would have taken a kangaroo court to get a conviction. Not that FIFA does not have kangaroo courts but thats another story! 

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I thought he got paid for the bio already, wonder if he still owes Jack something although some of what he says has merit
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bourbon on October 14, 2011, 07:01:29 AM
I think BH tell JW "ah go bring some plaque an trophy an ting" and JW say "hoss wha de f**k yuh wha we do wid dat, boy puh ah lil change an make people like yuh eh!"

 :rotfl:
:rotfl: :rotfl:


Dahs very likely wha went on.

But arhmm...a matter like this.....would that really fall under the portfolio of the AG?



And while I eh expect nothing less from Valentino Singh.....I go conceed I see a degree of merit in his articles.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 14, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
1 Hey Mad.
In the grown up world most of us live in, this means bring cash : JW said "put a value on it and give that to the nations."  He didn't on that tape say "I tell him give cash"  What was he supposed to bring? Beads? Rugs? What? Any moron knows this referred to cash.

2 And you being, supposedly, versed in the law advised me: Police cannot investigate a crime on a whim.  First there has to be some shred of evidence that a crime was committed.  Unless I mistaken I haven't heard anyone bring forth a legitimate accusation supported by any miniscule piece of evidence that Warner committed or aided in the commission of a crime. But funnily enough, the Prime Minister deems this sufficient to refer this to the Attorney General. Maybe this is just a CYA move, but at least intelligent people are taking it more seriously than you.

3. For your information, police sometimes actually investigate incidents to decide if laws are broken. At that point they decide whether or not to charge people. All I have ever suggested is that this should be investigated because in my opinion laws appear to be broken.

Most of your other comments are obsolete because, quite simply, you cannot read.


1.The difference between winning and losing a case can come down to simple wording.  Warner never told him "BRING" anything based on that audio.  He said in laymens terms DETERMINE WHAT THE VALUE IS AND GIVE.

2. Kamla versed in law?  She making sure to do what makes sense.  Anyone in her shoes would do the exact same thing.  Well maybe except you because you woulda done have him brought up on charges that this footage would exonerate him from and end up looking like ah royal kakahole!  Her refering it to the AG is nothing more than a "I eh seein nutten here so tell me if you see sumting da could cawz problems" move.  In fact she says basically that when she said "I have referred the matter to the Attorney General to advise whether there is anything to be concerned about."  But yuh stiffy fuh Warner like it drain all de blood from yuh brains so yuh cah read da play.

3. Since when your emotional opinion mean something?  You totin an ax de size ah mudda England fuh Jack, your opinion?! Fella haul yuh ass wid da schupid f**kin talk eh.  Talk facts and law because dat is what an investigation has to be based on. 

We both know that the last sentence you typed is emotional bullshit so ah go leh yuh slide wid da one while yuh change de dressing on yuh wounds.

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 14, 2011, 10:09:33 AM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?

Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.

And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
Cause there would have been a paper trail...phew
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 14, 2011, 10:13:29 AM
Individual banks as in branches had to send it to head office. It was a safety precaution.

So a wealthy person (let's say Donald Trump coming to do a project in T&T) can't wire money and make arrangements with the main office to withdraw a large sum in US currency (providing it's available)?

Prior arrangements will be made to facilitate such transaction.

And how do you or anyone here know that was not the means BH used in order to conduct his business?
Cause there would have been a paper trail...phew

Private transaction.  So even if there is you nor anyone else does not have any right to it.  The Authorities would need to get a warrant to aquire anyones banking information and in the event that there isn't credible evidence of a crime then that warrant request would likely be denied.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: MEP on October 14, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
And now see why Bakes does get frustrated with allyuh.

If you are bringing a million dollars into the country, as purported, then you have to declare it with the gov't. The banks too must declare that they received the money otherwise it would be laundering. Now apply a little common sense to your thought fella. phewwwww
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 14, 2011, 10:43:19 AM
And now see why Bakes does get frustrated with allyuh.

If you are bringing a million dollars into the country, as purported, then you have to declare it with the gov't. The banks too must declare that they received the money otherwise it would be laundering. Now apply a little common sense to your thought fella. phewwwww

You act as if declare means that it becomes public information. Declare doesn't mean everyone in government nor the police are automatically in the loop yuh kno.  But hey I lack common sense ah guess 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 14, 2011, 11:25:59 AM


Dahs very likely wha went on.

But arhmm...a matter like this.....would that really fall under the portfolio of the AG?



And while I eh expect nothing less from Valentino Singh.....I go conceed I see a degree of merit in his articles.


The AG is the government's legal advisor... he doesn't investigate crime or whether to charge people with crime.  That is the job of the DPP.

And there is more than just a "degree of merit" in what he says... he hit every note. 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: asylumseeker on October 14, 2011, 12:59:11 PM
It seems there is a feeling that Jack facilitated BH in covertly bringing in cash in excess of $20K TTD ... the bringing in of cash over the amount required for declaration is not on its face wrongdoing. Further, the USD equivalent of the amount required for declaration equates to less than $4,000 USD ... wha allyuh really feel it is?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 14, 2011, 01:06:21 PM
It seems there is a feeling that Jack facilitated BH in covertly bringing in cash in excess of $20K TTD ... the bringing in of cash over the amount required for declaration is not on its face wrongdoing. Further, the USD equivalent of the amount required for declaration equates to less than $4,000 USD ... wha allyuh really feel it is?

Flambeau peltin' and you standing up here trying tuh reason with man?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 14, 2011, 01:24:58 PM
It seems there is a feeling that Jack facilitated BH in covertly bringing in cash in excess of $20K TTD ... the bringing in of cash over the amount required for declaration is not on its face wrongdoing. Further, the USD equivalent of the amount required for declaration equates to less than $4,000 USD ... wha allyuh really feel it is?

I never hear feelings win ah case in court yet nah
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 14, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
You could finesse the difference anyway you like... from what you saying "horse trading" among the ExCo is okay, trading ponies with hoi polloi is verboten.  In both circumstances you have gifts being given in hopes of influencing a vote.  A bribe is a bribe unless the ExCo say it's not a bribe. 


The main difference is private vs public. Most of these deals are done in private. The Russians visit Jack in Trinidad just like the English but nobody knows about it. No clinic, no fanfare just straight dealing.

 The English decide that they want a WC but dont want to bribe. Since their failed 2006 bid they set up a global development iniative where they make contributions all over. This at least gives them the faintest appearance of being above board. For one thing it is public and secondly they arent giving cash. A clinic is arguably of no direct value to Warner himself. Of course he could capitalize on it financially or otherwise but the English could remove themselves from that. The friendly is obviously a more blatant financial benefit to Warner but England plays could argue precedent for playing a friendly against a Concacf team because they play the US , Mexico even Jamaica from time to time.

Clearly Warner also thought this was par for the course since he let Blatter know of the game ahead of time.  Maybe as yuh say he thinking was so warp that in his nearly 30 whatever years in FIFA he never see nothing like this but thought he'd start something and everybody would be cool with it.

As for Warner not having the pulse of what is acceptable in FIFA we have precedent for that too with the Ticket or Leave It. Once again he was clearly to bold and even FIFA had to publicly punish him. Of course privately they didnt make him pay the money or divest himself of his interest in Simpauls so he didnt really learn a lesson. I genuinely feel that since TnT qualify for the WC Jack start to like himself too much.

Ticket or Leave it was bare boldfaceness, as was his denial of the players money and presenting accounts that show that the TTFF make 30,000 TT from WC qualification. It not surprising that it is since then he thrust himself fully into politics too and demand prime portfolios from Kamla despite everybody within the party asking him no to take them.

I also feel the timing hurt him too. FIFA get real blowback from the two WC host assignments last December and they start talking about ethics. Since the bidding was gooing on Jack name get call in almost every accusation. This was just a bad time for him to try this, the fact that it help Blatter too was just even worse coincidence.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: JDB on October 14, 2011, 01:58:05 PM
I agree that the video helps Warner probably more than it hurts him. Singh has this right but he sounds stupid when trying to expand on Warner's explanation of why $40,000 in cash was a necessary substitute for what Warner described as trinkets.

What exactly was Bin Hamman going to offer that worth 40,000 US that he couldn't fit 25 on a plane? Unless it is a motor car things that expensive are not necessarily bulky. It also have thing called shipping. Why risk the appearance of a bribe when you could find an alternative.

What type of "trinket" that he was intending to offer would be of use to a federation? These types of gifts are usually personal gifts, swag to keep or share with family and friends. If the plan was to give trinkets to individuals how come the substitute - 40,000 US was suddenly meant for federations.

Singh doesn't see them things as obvious inconsistencies when he analyzing Jack and Bin Hamman plight.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: eyezahspy on October 14, 2011, 02:32:13 PM
I can't believe allyuh posters on this forum. It is clear as day that Jack Warner is innocent. It just so happens that he just real unlucky for his name to be closely associated with all sorts of questionable acts. :devil:
Imagine ppl defending this man. This same man who in the height of national pride and euphoria say if allyuh want to support the team who make t&t proud when they made it to the WC in Germany, allyuh hadda Ticket or Leave it.
It have so much more things this man implicated in. Allyuh think Jack stupid? What better way to win over the public than to appear to be something else. Oh he's the hardest working MP? why yuh think? he hadda do whatever he could to have some public backing so when he get implicated in something, he could count on his mindless minions to defend him to the end. I would think we would all want the best for our country be it in football or other matters of national interest. Let's say that Jack is really what he claims to be, an honest, hard-working individual with the country's interest at heart. Don't you think that just as how he resigned from FIFA which he claimed was not an admittance of guilt, he should resign from his position as member of parliament at least to save the country from the negative publicity and scandal? By Jack's own admission, he said that FIFA reeks of corruption yet still he was one of the longest serving members. Only when the tide start to turn against him he threatening a Tsunami. In other words,when things was nice yuh chose not to say anything. All of a sudden yuh partner Chuck eh good at all....come on ppl. Innocent or not, his name has been embroiled in enough fiascos to at least question his character. The irony of this is that he spoke about Eric St. Cyr needing to resign. Only enemies of sweet Trinidad and Tobago would defend Mr. Warner with a straight face.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 14, 2011, 02:39:29 PM
I can't believe allyuh posters on this forum. It is clear as day that Jack Warner is innocent. It just so happens that he just real unlucky for his name to be closely associated with all sorts of questionable acts. :devil:
Imagine ppl defending this man. This same man who in the height of national pride and euphoria say if allyuh want to support the team who make t&t proud when they made it to the WC in Germany, allyuh hadda Ticket or Leave it.
It have so much more things this man implicated in. Allyuh think Jack stupid? What better way to win over the public than to appear to be something else. Oh he's the hardest working MP? why yuh think? he hadda do whatever he could to have some public backing so when he get implicated in something, he could count on his mindless minions to defend him to the end. I would think we would all want the best for our country be it in football or other matters of national interest. Let's say that Jack is really what he claims to be, an honest, hard-working individual with the country's interest at heart. Don't you think that just as how he resigned from FIFA which he claimed was not an admittance of guilt, he should resign from his position as member of parliament at least to save the country from the negative publicity and scandal? By Jack's own admission, he said that FIFA reeks of corruption yet still he was one of the longest serving members. Only when the tide start to turn against him he threatening a Tsunami. In other words,when things was nice yuh chose not to say anything. All of a sudden yuh partner Chuck eh good at all....come on ppl. Innocent or not, his name has been embroiled in enough fiascos to at least question his character. The irony of this is that he spoke about Eric St. Cyr needing to resign. Only enemies of sweet Trinidad and Tobago would defend Mr. Warner with a straight face.

Ammm, who defending JW frien?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: eyezahspy on October 14, 2011, 02:40:45 PM
like it fall in your garden or wha?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: FF on October 14, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
Nah people just pointing out that this may not be any kinda damning evidence to finish Warner.
But cause is Bakes and Killa, they attracting real vitriol (cause dem fellas like to quarrel anyway  ;D )

But I in JDB camp on this...
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: eyezahspy on October 14, 2011, 02:47:16 PM
who cares if the evidence damning or not? point is, the man need to resign. that is the only point i trying to make. do it for the country. be a hero.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 14, 2011, 03:03:22 PM
You could finesse the difference anyway you like... from what you saying "horse trading" among the ExCo is okay, trading ponies with hoi polloi is verboten.  In both circumstances you have gifts being given in hopes of influencing a vote.  A bribe is a bribe unless the ExCo say it's not a bribe. 


The main difference is private vs public. Most of these deals are done in private. The Russians visit Jack in Trinidad just like the English but nobody knows about it. No clinic, no fanfare just straight dealing.

 The English decide that they want a WC but dont want to bribe. Since their failed 2006 bid they set up a global development iniative where they make contributions all over. This at least gives them the faintest appearance of being above board. For one thing it is public and secondly they arent giving cash. A clinic is arguably of no direct value to Warner himself. Of course he could capitalize on it financially or otherwise but the English could remove themselves from that. The friendly is obviously a more blatant financial benefit to Warner but England plays could argue precedent for playing a friendly against a Concacf team because they play the US , Mexico even Jamaica from time to time.

Clearly Warner also thought this was par for the course since he let Blatter know of the game ahead of time.  Maybe as yuh say he thinking was so warp that in his nearly 30 whatever years in FIFA he never see nothing like this but thought he'd start something and everybody would be cool with it.

As for Warner not having the pulse of what is acceptable in FIFA we have precedent for that too with the Ticket or Leave It. Once again he was clearly to bold and even FIFA had to publicly punish him. Of course privately they didnt make him pay the money or divest himself of his interest in Simpauls so he didnt really learn a lesson. I genuinely feel that since TnT qualify for the WC Jack start to like himself too much.

Ticket or Leave it was bare boldfaceness, as was his denial of the players money and presenting accounts that show that the TTFF make 30,000 TT from WC qualification. It not surprising that it is since then he thrust himself fully into politics too and demand prime portfolios from Kamla despite everybody within the party asking him no to take them.

I also feel the timing hurt him too. FIFA get real blowback from the two WC host assignments last December and they start talking about ethics. Since the bidding was gooing on Jack name get call in almost every accusation. This was just a bad time for him to try this, the fact that it help Blatter too was just even worse coincidence.


I can't disagree with your take here... only exception being the "pulse of FIFA" issue.  I doh even think "Ticket or Leave It" was  beyond the pale... hence as you say the fact that it was in essence an illusory penalty.  It was just so brazen that FIFA was forced to put on a show and make it seem like they was doing something. It wasn't like they say "nah... you going too far now, we have tuh punish yuh).  This whole ethics investigation is yet another dog and pony show.  Easy to come down hard on the CFU, while the kingmakers in the US, Africa and Europe continue to rub each other backs.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on October 14, 2011, 03:08:45 PM
like it fall in your garden or wha?

My garden?  Dan I too intelligent to engage you wid da shit oui

Nah people just pointing out that this may not be any kinda damning evidence to finish Warner.
But cause is Bakes and Killa, they attracting real vitriol (cause dem fellas like to quarrel anyway  ;D )

But I in JDB camp on this...

lol look you :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: eyezahspy on October 14, 2011, 03:18:26 PM
yes, yes...i'm quite sure you are.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 14, 2011, 07:45:52 PM
who cares if the evidence damning or not? point is, the man need to resign. that is the only point i trying to make. do it for the country. be a hero.

Wrong he should not have been elected in d 1st place. So d fact dat he get elected mean he eh go resign and d PP eh sending him packing
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 14, 2011, 08:19:42 PM
Lawd fadder another tennis match thread with Bakes and FS with Killa throwing een some stuff......next time (and with Jackula around there will be plenty next times  ::))  all yuh post one reply to each other per day nah....ah cyar keep up.... ;D

Well having not read all the pros and cons above, I find Jackula should just resign from Government....oh geez and ages, is how much time your name goh get drag through some kinda bachanal and you innocent EVERY TIME??!! 

Oh geez and ages Kamla, doh pull dat "it eh illegal so nutten eh wrong"  :bs: on we nah....de man needs to go.....plain and simple.....
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: College on October 15, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
CFU OFFICIALS BANNED

FIFA punishes CFU officials



Trinidad Express
Story Created: Oct 14, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT
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 Story Updated: Oct 14, 2011 at 11:52 PM ECT )
 

ZURICH

Football's world governing body FIFA yesterday slapped a six-month ban on Jamaica Football Federation president, Captain Horace Burrell, for his role in the cash-for-vote scandal and also imposed a series of sanctions on several other Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials.
 
Burrell, a leading Caribbean Football Union member and a long-time ally of former FIFA strongman Jack Warner, was the most senior of the cadre of CFU officials punished for apparent violations of FIFA's Code of Ethics, following an investigation by their ethics committee.
 
The probe surrounded a meeting in Port of Spain last May when former FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed bin Hammam and Warner were alleged to have offered CFU members US$40,000 cash inducements, in exchange for their votes at the June 1 FIFA presidential election.
 
Though Warner resignedand was exempted from investigationand bin Hammam banned for life following a high-profile ethics inquiry, FIFA opened proceedings against Caribbean officials, stating that the "conduct of others who attended the meetingjustified further investigation".
 
As a result, Burrell will be prohibited from any football-related activity, though FIFA has suspended three months of the ban for a two-year period.
 
Only recently, Burrell announced his intention to run for the top spot in the CFU and in CONCACAF, the continental governing body for football in North and Central America and the Caribbean.
 
He will now have to withdraw his candidacy for both organisations.

In addition to Burrell, three more officials were banned, three reprimanded and five warned by FIFA's ethics committee.
 
Franka Pickering of the British Virgin Islands (BVI) was handed the most severe punishment with an 18-month ban and US$560 fine. She is one the most senior women in international football.
 
Ian Hypolite of St. Vincent and the Grenadines and the Dominican Republic's Osiris Guzman have received 30-day bans and US$360 fines.
 
The BVI's Aubrey Liburd and the US Virgin Islands' Hillaren Frederick were hit with reprimands and US$360 fines, while Anthony Johnson of St. Kitts and Nevis received a reprimand but no fine.
 
David Hinds and Mark Forde of Barbados, Richard Groden, secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, Haiti's Yves Jean-Bart and Jamaican Horace Reid all escaped with warnings.
 
FIFA said the hearing of Guyana's Noel Adonis had been postponed, while they required more information before they could make a decision on St Lucia's Patrick Mathurin.
 
Cases against Cayman Islands' David Frederick and Joseph Delves of St. Vincent and the Grenadines were closed since they are no longer officials. FIFA said the cases would be re-opened if the duo were ever elected again.
 
FIFA's announcement is the latest twist in the scandal that has already claimed several leading CFU and CONCACAF figures and left Caribbean football in turmoil.
 
Warner was forced to resign as FIFA vice-president and CONCACAF and CFU president at the height of the bribery allegations, while Barbadian Lisle Austin, a senior CONCACAF vice-president who acted as president following Warner's resignation, received a year-long ban from FIFA in August.
 
Last month, Colin Klass, a senior CFU executive member and perennial head of the Guyana Football Federation, was banned for 26 months and fined for his role in the meeting. CMC




Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 15, 2011, 06:44:20 PM
hhhhhhhmmmmm......

Police were probing Warner 'quietly'
Investigation ongoing
By Jensen LaVende



MONTHS after Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs said police have no information to investigate Minister of Works and Infrastructure Jack Warner, police are claiming they were quietly investigating "behind the scenes".

Director of Public Affairs of the Police Service Sharon Lee Assang said yesterday during the Police Service daily press briefing at Police Administration Building, Sackville Street, Port of Spain that police were taking a closer look at the matter.

Members of the Opposition had called upon the police to investigate Warner, after international news reports surfaced that former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, with the aid of then FIFA vice president Warner, had distributed US$1 million in cash, US$40,000 each, to Caribbean Football Union officials at a May meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port of Spain.

The police were called upon to investigate how the money came into the country and whether it was declared according to Customs and Excise regulations.  A secret video recording which went viral on the Internet on Wednesday quoted Warner as saying that the money was a gift from bin Hammam.

The 16 CFU members who received the "gifts" were found guilty by FIFA yesterday while two Concacaf officials, Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester, were also found guilty in the bribes for vote scandal. See Page 62

Bin Hammam, the former Asian football chief, was suspended from all football related activities for life while Warner resigned from FIFA before his hearing. He maintains his presumption of innocence and said yesterday he had no comment in relation to the latest developments just yet.

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced on Thursday that Attorney General Anand Ramlogan will investigate the leaked video and advise on the issue. Questioned on the matter yesterday, Persad-Bissesar said, "You know (from) where I sit, I don't judge anyone until there is evidence before me, until there is a legal opinion then I would make a decision. At the moment I would keep an open mind as I do with every single one of my Ministers. If there is something that is different, then we will deal with it at that point. But I cannot live my life anticipating and speculating if I walk across the street I will stumble and fall. I will await on the report of the AG until I make any decision or comment further on this matter."

Pressed further by reporters at the Police Academy, in St James, on whether she had received a time-line from Ramlogan on him making a determination on the matter, the Prime Minister said she had not spoken to Ramlogan as she has been tied up in the budget debate

She admitted though she had spoken to Warner but not in relation to the video.

Warner, while admitting that it was his voice on the video, suggested that it could have been doctored.

Asked why police were still investigating Warner after Gibbs said there was nothing to investigate Lee Assang said: "I said that behind the scenes work has been going on looking into that matter. The Commissioner said based on the information they had but that did not stop us from taking a closer look."

On June 7, Gibbs told the media: "At this particular time the police are not investigating until we have information to suggest that we enter into some criminal investigation. We won't investigate. There is a lot of allegations coming through the papers, media, and we don't need to investigate things that there is nothing tangible to investigate."

In June, Deputy Commissioner of Police in charge of Anti-Crime Operations Mervyn Richardson said police will not initiate any criminal probe into FIFA bribe allegations against Warner unless an official report is made.

He said: "There is nothing before us to investigate because no report has been made so there is no investigation being conducted at this point in time."  Lee Assang did not name the officer investigating Warner saying "that is privileged information".

When asked if Warner was aware there was an investigation involving him Lee Assang said: "Up to yesterday Mr Warner has not been questioned. I don't know what Mr Warner would have been told or what he would know. I can't say if police would have had discussions with him as I said."

When asked if Gibbs received any response from FIFA after he wrote them requesting information, Lee Assang said she was not certain.  In relation to a letter of complaint from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley, sent to the Police Service Commission over Gibbs's inaction in relation to the Warner investigation, Lee Assang stated that Gibbs was yet to receive any letter from the Commission about his handling of the matter.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Police_were_probing_Warner__quietly_-131903783.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Police_were_probing_Warner__quietly_-131903783.html)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: fatimarima on October 15, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
That video does not match the article headline.  I did not see JW offering anybody anything.  He Talk alot of Talk but thats it.  The only thing I got from this video is that he did not want Platini to be the next FIFA president.    These folks have to come better than this if they want to back up that article headline
Title: Unlimited liability
Post by: Tallman on October 16, 2011, 05:34:07 AM
Unlimited liability
By Raffique Shah (T&T Express)


NOT surprisingly, Jack Warner is back in the international newsfor all the wrong reasons. When he resigned as one of the most powerful men in FIFA earlier this year, Warner probably thought he had buried his past in the murky waters of Lake Zurich.

But that was not to be. FIFA is not the kind of "brotherhood" from which principal players simply walk away. If or when they do, they are expected to maintain "omerta", the ancient Sicilian code of silence that FIFA has cleverly combined with the Swiss code of banking secrecy.

I thought Jack had complied with these unwritten rules. Since the football faeces hit the fan last year, in the run-up to Sepp Blatter's bid for re-election as president, Jack has maintained a stony silence. He uttered not a word about South Africa's failed bid to stage the 2006 World Cup, which Germany won by a single vote. Nor has he said anything about why, after he hugged and kissed Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham, he shafted England in their $200 million bid to host World Cup 2018.

No, sir, not Jack. Even when my colleagues in the media poked him about ticket scams in 2006, he cussed, but let nothing secret out of his beanstalk. All he would say is, "In the fullness of time..." Maybe that loaded response, which suggests that sometime in the future he may deal with Blatter, his one-time confidante Chuck Blazer, and other FIFA jefes, is what sealed his fate.

Why else would someone on high choose last week to release a video-clip that appeared to place Jack at the centre of the bin Hammam bribery scandal? It could not be that they wanted to nail some Caribbean "small fry" for accepting US$40,000 each from the Qatari aspirant-turned-pariah. FIFA has such a grip on all aspects of the world's most lucrative sporting discipline, its executive could fry the Caribbean fish in their own fat, if you get my drift.

I think the reason is Blatter wants to have Jack removed from the corridors of power here in Trinidad and Tobago. You see, this latest piece of evidence that implicates Jack puts Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar in a pickle.

In its 16 months in office, the People's Partnership Government has generated a scandal a month. That's more than the unlamented Patrick Manning regime managed in its truncated eight years in power.

The PM can ill-afford another scandaland that's what this video-clip has dropped in her lap. Kamla said she has referred the video and the transcript to the Attorney General for advice. However, the PM is herself an attorney, and she admitted to have viewed the video and listened to its contents. She knows that it contains damning implications for Jack, and by extension, for her Government.

Jack has now become an unlimited liability to the ruling coalition. Worse for him, this latest in a string of allegations of impropriety comes at a time when Dr Eric St Cyr resigned as chairman of the Integrity Commission. St Cyr did not commit any offence of note. His sin was he did not know when to shut up, as the late CLR James used to say. He spoke out of turn, not for the first time. Sending St Cyr back to the pulpit is punishment enough for a wayward pastor who strayed into the wrong pasture.

Irony of ironies, though, there was Warner fulminating about St Cyr's sins, advising his one-time lecturer to resign. And when the pastor did, Jack said, "Good riddance!" Is this guy for real? I mean, here he is facing allegations of impropriety a hundred times worse than what St Cyr was accused of, but he chooses to pass judgment on the man.

If anything, Jack should have resigned ten football scandals ago. Long before he was a minister, he had abused British journalist Andrew Jennings on-camera. Jennings went on to show the world, via the BBC, Jack's "bad boy" conduct. And he published a series of very serious allegations against "arkse yuh mudder!" that have gone unanswered.

Which raises another angle to the Jack-saga: in the face of all these statements and published articles that have alleged serious misconduct on his part, why has he never sued a journalist, or the Daily Mail or the BBC? Only last May, Lord Triesman of England, appearing before a parliamentary committee in London, said that Jack requested or demanded a significant sum of money from England's FA as that country pursued its World Cup 2018 bid.

Jack denied the charge, although he admitted to having sought funding for a facility in Longdenville from his English suitors. But he never sued Triesman. Why? If any British Lord, or even a Trini-calypso-Lord, sought to sully my name, I would sue him. But I am a "scrunter" while Jack is well-heeled. He does not need the money, and maybe he does not care about his character.

Now, however, he must care. The long arm of FIFA has reached out to crush him, destroy his political career, his ambition to be Prime Minister, in a most sinister way. The leaked video is damning. It's posted on the Internet. It is taking more hits than a Rihanna chart-topper. And it's portraying Trinidad and Tobago in poor light.

Can we afford to carry this brother any further, or is he too heavy a burden for us to bear? That's a question the Prime Minister must answer, and soon.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 16, 2011, 06:28:13 AM
wwwwwwhhhhhhaaatttt???!!!!  :o :o

I never knew Raffique Shah was a PNM??!!  Ah mean how he could say this....

In its 16 months in office, the People's Partnership Government has generated a scandal a month. That's more than the unlamented Patrick Manning regime managed in its truncated eight years in power.

A scandal a month Raffique??!!  Naaaahhhhhh....a scandal per day is more like it.... ::) ::)

Like I said and Raffique saying it too.....Jack needs to go from government....
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: College on October 16, 2011, 10:30:19 AM
wwwwwwhhhhhhaaatttt???!!!!  :o :o

I never knew Raffique Shah was a PNM??!!  Ah mean how he could say this....

In its 16 months in office, the People's Partnership Government has generated a scandal a month. That's more than the unlamented Patrick Manning regime managed in its truncated eight years in power.

A scandal a month Raffique??!!  Naaaahhhhhh....a scandal per day is more like it.... ::) ::)

Like I said and Raffique saying it too.....Jack needs to go from government....

It will take a lot more than Raffique and a few others, but thats a good start.  For Jack to leave, the PEOPLE have to put pressure on Kamla...but then again if she remove Jack, all she business will get exposed ..
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 16, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
What does being a PNM have to do with calling it like it is ? I guess you were joking right? raffique shah is telling it like it is! He is a man of integrity who has always stood up for what is right.
I was thinking the same thing . How can a man with Jack's history be putting down a man of spotless character like DrCyr. He is a quiet humble man, He has not omitted any crime , he just gave his views spontaneously as he felt when he was no longer a private citizen and holding an office in which there is a protocol . He should have had a communications person working with him instead of responding to the Press! But this whole thing is sooooo embarrassing for us as a country ! Kamla is in a bind ! She has to be careful of what signals she is sending about the working of our democracy! She is the current Chair of the Commonwealth! If she does not act in a particular way , she will be losing a lot of face? The whole of the Commonwealth especially the United  Kingdom  is watching this thing very closely! Is it a case of Jack and Kamla versus the rest of the country .
We are all waiting for the verdict of Anand!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Flex on October 17, 2011, 04:23:54 AM
Warner: Blatters gifts will turn stomachs.
T&T Guardian reports.


Jack Warner....never found out what Sepp Blatters salary is. Former FIFA vice-president and current Minister of Works Jack Warner yesterday said the Caribbean is paying the price for standing up to FIFA president Sepp Blatter!

Warner made the remarks in a letter to the T&T Guardian yesterday in light of last Thursdays video recording in which a meeting involving members of the Caribbean Football Union, was carried on the London Telegraph.

Warner said the video clipping which was supposed to be an expos of Jack Warner fell flat. He promised to speak out about his role in the FIFA and the changes he sought to bring about while he served on the executive committee and as one of its vice presidents.

I will talk about the bitter elections for the FIFA presidency in 1998 when Sepp Blatter faced his most telling rival in Lennart Johansson and the detailed reason for the support, which was offered to him by both Mohammed Bin Hammam and me.

We took him on a worldwide crusade begging for support for him, and he won. That was the first time I met the present Deputy Chairman of FIFA Ethics Committee, Petrus Damaseb, at the time the president of the Namibia FA. I will tell the world what gift Bin Hammam gave to him then, which was not a bribe then as he has ruled today.

With Bin Hammams private plane, we did the same for Blatter again in 2002 when he faced Issa Hayatou, in a most brutal election, and he wona second time. Warner said his tsunami will reveal discussions, which he and Bin Hammam  held with Blatter following the 2002 elections, asking him to change the image of the FIFA.

I will reveal the circumstances under which I told Blatter that blackness in football must not be only on the field of play but also on the field of the FIFA administration. Warner promised to talk about racism within FIFA, as well as religious discrimination. I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted.

He said he will also talk about attempts he made to find out the salary of Blatter. He said: In spite of serving on the Finance Committee for over eight years, I was never able to determine the quantum of money given to him for the office of the president.

Conspiracy against the CFU by its own members and the role of Chuck Blazer in the CONCACAF will be also exposed, according to Warner. Warner said the vindictiveness by FIFA against him will also be unravelled. The FIFA has tried to muzzle me with threats of a worldwide suspension, said Warner.

They have said that they will close down the FIFA Development Office in Trinidad by year end. They have advised that they will terminate my sons 2012 contract at the end of this year. They have retaken the World Cup TV Rights, a matter for which they have not heard the last.

They have refused to give me any of my 29-year pension. They continue to do such things like revealing a video in the hope that they can embarrass me to lie down on my belly. Never, I repeat, never, regardless of the consequences.

Warner said the real gifts that Blatter gave to secure his two elections will turn stomachs inside out. Warner explained that of the eight FIFA presidents, only one was not a EuropeanDr Joao Havelange, who was Brazilian.

Three were English, one was Belgium, the incumbent is Swiss and two were French. Is it that people of colour cannot administer football? Or is it that only Europeans possess the skill to do so?

Is this why Platini is being groomed as heir apparent? For the last FIFA election, the last count before the election showed that Blatter had 90 votes and Bin Hammam had 85 in a 209 FIFA membership. Whoever got 105 votes would have won. CONCACAF has 35 votes of which the Caribbean has 25.

(WARNERS LETTER WILL BE CARRIED IN FULL IN TOMORROWS GUARDIAN)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 17, 2011, 07:14:06 AM
I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted.

Wow, is he really going to go there? Zionism? What next, talking about mud people and pushing us to read The Protocols of Zion?   
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 17, 2011, 07:25:06 AM
What does being a PNM have to do with calling it like it is ? I guess you were joking right? raffique shah is telling it like it is! He is a man of integrity who has always stood up for what is right.

Boss, doh knot up yuh jockey shorts or boxers.  I was being mischeivous.  I have been reading Mr. Shah's articles for years and he is usually spot on in his analysis.....cool??
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Socapro on October 17, 2011, 08:22:08 AM
Oral Tracey says that Jack had no choice but to take whey himself from FIFA but whey Captain?: 
http://www.televisionjamaica.com/Programmes/SportsCommentary.aspx/Videos/13028

Oral Tracey says that Captain Horace Burrell is victim of Jack Warner house-cleaning by FIFA: 
http://www.televisionjamaica.com/Programmes/SportsCommentary.aspx/Videos/13043
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Andre on October 17, 2011, 11:14:29 AM
zionism?

poor old jack gone mad
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: King Deese on October 17, 2011, 11:52:55 AM
Q: Mr Acting Prime Minister, what do you think of FIFA's verdict just slapping Richard the Rodent on the wrist with a warning.
A: Go ask your mudda.

Q: Mr Vice President people say that old man Oliver Camps is your bagman

 A: Well, in truth, he looks like a bagman.

Q: Mr. Vice President, some people say they should put up a picture of you and Uncle Ollie at every football game and that....

A: Yeah, that would be nice but you know them ungrateful so and so will not do some like that for me an the bag, eh, ah mean, the brother for all we have done for them.

Q: I am not done with what I was saying sir, you got too excited there sir, anyways what I was about to say before you rudely interrupt me was, a picture of you and the bagman handcuffed together wearing the same pants Prince wore with his ass hanging out. Any comments sir.

A: Andrew sent you or what. I going an have lunch with the Rodent.

Q: Mr. Vice President, Mr. Vice President, people in the know say that you ran the TTFF and the CFU like a ponzi scheme Ala Bernie who made off with millions, and that your children hold the key to unlock the mystery to where all the over 200 something million dollars are being hidden. What do you have to say to those suspicious minds.

 A: Boi, leave me alone. If you really want to know, go ask your mudda.

Q: Mr. Vice President, experts are saying that you planning to get revenge for what Chuckie B. and Seppie B. did to you. They are suppose to be your best friends and they stab you in the back. What is your response to that.

A: I only have this to say to them two Beearches. I go release the mother of all tsunamis in your pweffen. I have nothing else to say bout dat. Go ask Om Lay Lay. Go ask yuh mudda.

Q: Mr. Vice President, Mr. Vice President, I just have one more thing to say to you "Mista hall huh mudda @$#%.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: elan on October 17, 2011, 11:57:59 AM
Wait so Tsunami still coming? Daiz why all that rain falling. Alyuh get out yuh parasol and cebo.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 17, 2011, 01:51:35 PM
I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted.

Wow, is he really going to go there? Zionism? What next, talking about mud people and pushing us to read The Protocols of Zion?   

This is nonsense... "Zionism" is very real and I wouldn't be surprised if it rears its head within FIFA as well.  It is hardly the far-fetched conspiracy you're trying to paint it to be.  Now whether there's any merit to Warner's charges, that remains to be seen... after all , all we keep hearing is about this coming tsunami with barely a ripple being made.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Jah Gol on October 17, 2011, 01:52:11 PM
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Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: boss on October 17, 2011, 03:25:20 PM
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f**k GOAL.COM  (Not the content, just goal.com in general :beermug:)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 17, 2011, 05:07:05 PM
I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted.

Wow, is he really going to go there? Zionism? What next, talking about mud people and pushing us to read The Protocols of Zion?   

This is nonsense... "Zionism" is very real and I wouldn't be surprised if it rears its head within FIFA as well.  It is hardly the far-fetched conspiracy you're trying to paint it to be.  Now whether there's any merit to Warner's charges, that remains to be seen... after all , all we keep hearing is about this coming tsunami with barely a ripple being made.

"Zionism", as it has been used in recent times is a euphemism for "Jewish Cabal". It is a loaded term that has a completely different meaning today than it did at the beginning of the 20th century. You should know better.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 17, 2011, 08:44:05 PM
"Zionism", as it has been used in recent times is a euphemism for "Jewish Cabal". It is a loaded term that has a completely different meaning today than it did at the beginning of the 20th century. You should know better.

I should know better?  So you's ah mind reader then... you inherently know what context Jack using the term?  I have no idea where you find this "zionism= jewish cabal" talk, but yuh might want to consult yuh dictionary to find the true meaning and see how it relates to what Jack alleging.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 17, 2011, 09:07:17 PM
"Zionism", as it has been used in recent times is a euphemism for "Jewish Cabal". It is a loaded term that has a completely different meaning today than it did at the beginning of the 20th century. You should know better.

I should know better?  So you's ah mind reader then... you inherently know what context Jack using the term?  I have no idea where you find this "zionism= jewish cabal" talk, but yuh might want to consult yuh dictionary to find the true meaning and see how it relates to what Jack alleging.

So you know the context in which Jack is using the term? Yes, you should know better as none of your posts suggested you were an anti-Semite. Take a look at this article you fool and then you can figure out how the term "Zionism"' is used today.
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/36671/ahmadinejad-zionists-told-911-advance
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 17, 2011, 10:16:56 PM
So you know the context in which Jack is using the term? Yes, you should know better as none of your posts suggested you were an anti-Semite. Take a look at this article you fool and then you can figure out how the term "Zionism"' is used today.
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/36671/ahmadinejad-zionists-told-911-advance

You have to be either illiterate or borderline stupid... and I'm being generous with the "borderline" talk.  At no point did I offer an opinion on what Jack Warner intended by his comments, let alone to opine on the context. Unlike you I'm not gifted with mind reading.  Secondly, it is beyond ridiculous that you would take the rantings of a madman and known anti-Semite, and pass them off as being reflective of some contemporary definition of Zionism.  Zionism in the most widely accepted sense is a radical advocacy for a Jewish state and a rejection of co-existence between Israelis and Palestinians... indeed with many of Israel's Arab neighbors.  It has nothing to do with some fanciful "Jewish Cabal"... but then again, you done read Jack's mind to know what he was talking about, I didn't.  In that light I'll defer to your expertise on the matter.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 17, 2011, 11:00:09 PM
The truth is you are clueless about the term. Your own silly attempt at a definition shows you are out of your depth by aligning the term with radicalism. The pre- 9/11 version of the term was less pejorative and described a movement that brought about the creation and development of the State of Israel. Since you are too dense to appreciate the recent manner in which the term is used, it is not a surprise you failed to connect the significance of the article. Instead, you continue to show that you a just a more articulate version of Jack Horner by asking if I can read Warner's mind.

Aside from the fact that you are also unable to read his mind and therefore unable to prove or disprove my theory that Warner's "blame the Jews"- like comment were the words of a desperate man grasping at straws and using racial politics to salvage support.  But I suppose in your world, not being a clairvoyant disqualifies one from forming an opinion; even one that calls out an obviously racist sentiment issued by a government minister.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 02:11:50 AM
The truth is you are clueless about the term. Your own silly attempt at a definition shows you are out of your depth by aligning the term with radicalism. The pre- 9/11 version of the term was less pejorative and described a movement that brought about the creation and development of the State of Israel. Since you are too dense to appreciate the recent manner in which the term is used, it is not a surprise you failed to connect the significance of the article. Instead, you continue to show that you a just a more articulate version of Jack Horner by asking if I can read Warner's mind.

Aside from the fact that you are also unable to read his mind and therefore unable to prove or disprove my theory that Warner's "blame the Jews"- like comment were the words of a desperate man grasping at straws and using racial politics to salvage support.  But I suppose in your world, not being a clairvoyant disqualifies one from forming an opinion; even one that calls out an obviously racist sentiment issued by a government minister.

I am not the one "aligning the term with radicalism"... any movement which rejects co-existence, and itself advocates the existence of a people at the distinct expense of another people is by definition radical. That's not my definition.  This is the reason why Israelis who are in favor of a two-nation state reject the application of the term to describe all Israelis.  It has nothing to do with your imaginary "Jewish Cabal" or "mudmen" talk. 

Now you want to draw some tenuous association with me and Jack Horner because I stated the obvious... it is clear that you are ascribing some motive to Jack that's not apparent in his words... the logical conclusion is that you presume to know what's in his mind, only a fool would deny that.  You then trumpet this notion that I am unable to disprove your "theory" about Jack... when in fact your 'theory' is of no interest to me. 
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 18, 2011, 08:44:11 AM
I am not the one "aligning the term with radicalism"... any movement which rejects co-existence, and itself advocates the existence of a people at the distinct expense of another people is by definition radical. That's not my definition.  This is the reason why Israelis who are in favor of a two-nation state reject the application of the term to describe all Israelis.  It has nothing to do with your imaginary "Jewish Cabal" or "mudmen" talk. 

Now you want to draw some tenuous association with me and Jack Horner because I stated the obvious... it is clear that you are ascribing some motive to Jack that's not apparent in his words... the logical conclusion is that you presume to know what's in his mind, only a fool would deny that.  You then trumpet this notion that I am unable to disprove your "theory" about Jack... when in fact your 'theory' is of no interest to me. 

You are so twisted up in your own bs that you can't remember that you were the one who offered a definition of Zionism that is aligned with radicalism. Israeli's reject the term Zionism because it has been co-opted by the likes of Ahmadinijad and other Holocaust deniers who ascribe all ills of the world to Jewish "domination" of finance and media. The few right wing Israelis who still embrace the term do so for completely different reasons than what you claim. I can assure you that Warner didn't raise the term to establish his position of the Israeli/Palestinian question. If you don't understand the context of his words, that's your problem.

If you don't care about the theories of folks who believe that Warner's words and actions are righteous-challenged, why are you responding?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 10:32:45 AM
You are so twisted up in your own bs that you can't remember that you were the one who offered a definition of Zionism that is aligned with radicalism. Israeli's reject the term Zionism because it has been co-opted by the likes of Ahmadinijad and other Holocaust deniers who ascribe all ills of the world to Jewish "domination" of finance and media. The few right wing Israelis who still embrace the term do so for completely different reasons than what you claim. I can assure you that Warner didn't raise the term to establish his position of the Israeli/Palestinian question. If you don't understand the context of his words, that's your problem.

If you don't care about the theories of folks who believe that Warner's words and actions are righteous-challenged, why are you responding?

I am well aware of what I said... apparently you are not, since you can't read for understanding.  The definition isn't mine, it is universal and inherent.  Secondly I responded not to contest your  so-called theory (not that you offered one)... I readily offered in my initial response that I wasn't addressing the merits of Jack's claim, but rather was correcting the bullshit yuh was typing.  No need for me to respond any further.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 18, 2011, 11:25:43 AM
You are obviously NOT aware of what you said.

Universal and inherent? Once again, where is your proof? So enamored with your own existence, you cannot understand that your words and claims alone have no merit and only amounts to pablum. You can resort to whatever name calling and dismissive rants that would make the Queen of Hearts proud all you want. The fact is you haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your position. The great bakes speaks all who listen bow down and tremble!

If you can't show proof of your claims, don't bother to respond. Lightweight.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 18, 2011, 11:56:39 AM
....de man mention de "...Queen of Hearts..." in de third person...like he eh realise it actually IS de Queen of Hearts he engaging.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: giggsy11 on October 18, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
Hmmm....,'Tempo' set!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 18, 2011, 12:40:40 PM
....de man mention de "...Queen of Hearts..." in de third person...like he eh realise it actually IS de Queen of Hearts he engaging.

Ent? Enough people come here to engage in some good banter and all dat clown could do is kill vibes. If you don't know sumthin', admit it. If ya wrong, dat's alright. If I make a point and you provide evidence to show my point has no merit; touch. Queen of Hearts is indeed an appropriate sobriquet for dat fella. Thanks.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 03:00:01 PM
You are obviously NOT aware of what you said.

Universal and inherent? Once again, where is your proof? So enamored with your own existence, you cannot understand that your words and claims alone have no merit and only amounts to pablum. You can resort to whatever name calling and dismissive rants that would make the Queen of Hearts proud all you want. The fact is you haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your position. The great bakes speaks all who listen bow down and tremble!

If you can't show proof of your claims, don't bother to respond. Lightweight.

Jackass what yuh want me to do... quote de internet fuh yuh?  just do a casual search any number of hit would confirm the radicalism inherent in zionism.  You and that next ass-sniffer Mango Chow go have to come better than that queen of hearts talk to really upset me.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 18, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
You are obviously NOT aware of what you said.

Universal and inherent? Once again, where is your proof? So enamored with your own existence, you cannot understand that your words and claims alone have no merit and only amounts to pablum. You can resort to whatever name calling and dismissive rants that would make the Queen of Hearts proud all you want. The fact is you haven't offered a shred of evidence to support your position. The great bakes speaks all who listen bow down and tremble!

If you can't show proof of your claims, don't bother to respond. Lightweight.

Jackass what yuh want me to do... quote de internet fuh yuh?  just do a casual search any number of hit would confirm the radicalism inherent in zionism.  You and that next ass-sniffer Mango Chow go have to come better than that queen of hearts talk to really upset me.

"better" is nt necessary, it just a little more imaginative and creative than the bitch I know yuh to be.  Bring yuh mudder ass leh meh sniff dat fuh yuh.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
"better" is nt necessary, it just a little more imaginative and creative than the bitch I know yuh to be.  Bring yuh mudder ass leh meh sniff dat fuh yuh.

I'm sure yuh'd really enjoy nothing better than that.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 18, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
"better" is nt necessary, it just a little more imaginative and creative than the bitch I know yuh to be.  Bring yuh mudder ass leh meh sniff dat fuh yuh.

I'm sure yuh'd really enjoy nothing better than that.

...among other things.  Bring she and yuh could confirm it right before yuh very eyes.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 18, 2011, 03:27:14 PM
Jackass what yuh want me to do... quote de internet fuh yuh?  just do a casual search any number of hit would confirm the radicalism inherent in zionism.  You and that next ass-sniffer Mango Chow go have to come better than that queen of hearts talk to really upset me.

No but we want you to get ya head out of your backside. Maybe then you would figure how off-based you are. If that doesn't help here is what a "casual search" Google offered as its first selection in the search phrase "Zionism definition"
http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Zionism&o=0&l=dir

See anything referring to radicalism or radical agendas? Didn't think so. Thanks for your effort.
Title: Jack's Rant
Post by: tempo on October 18, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
The circular firing squad has reloaded.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/18/jack-warner-responds-london-telegraph-video-ingratitude-worse-witchcraft
Title: Re: Jack's Rant
Post by: Socapro on October 18, 2011, 03:55:07 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/10/18/jack-warner-responds-london-telegraph-video-ingratitude-worse-witchcraft

Jack Warner responds to London Telegraph video: Ingratitude worse than witchcraft
Published: Tue, 2011-10-18 01:29

Former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner has responded to the video recording of his CFU meeting in Port-of-Spain which was highlighted in the London Telegraph last Thursday. In the following letter which was sent to the Guardian, Warner points out that the recording fell flat despite the pressures of foreign interpretation and the anti-Jack Warner sentiments. Warner also gives an insight as to what can be expected when he reveals his tsunami against FIFA in the fullness of time.
 
Those who listened to the video recording which was promoted in the London Telegraph last week and chose not to be duped by the pressures of foreign interpretation and anti-Jack Warner sentiments, would realise by now that what was supposed to be an expos of Jack Warner, simply fell flat. The truth is that there is much to be told about how the FIFA conducts its business and I have promised in the past a tsunami that would hit the FIFA, and indeed, it will come. To the detractors who want to predict time, place and circumstance for this tsunami let me advise all that, in the fullness of time, it will come, but definitely not before Mr Bin Hammams case before the Court of Arbitration Sport (CAS)  is resolved. In short course, I will be speaking out about my role in the FIFA and the changes I sought to bring about while I served its membership as member of its executive committee and subsequently as one of its vice presidents during the 29-year period from 1982 - 2011.
 
I will talk about the bitter elections for the FIFA presidency in 1998 when Sepp Blatter faced his most telling rival in Lennart Johansson and the detailed reason for the support which was offered to him by both Mohammed Bin Hammam and me. We took him on a worldwide crusade through Africa and Asia begging for support for him, and he won! That was the first time I met the present deputy chairman of FIFA ethics committee, Petrus Damaseb, at the time the president of the Namibia FA. I will tell the world what gift Bin Hammam gave to him which was not a bribe then as he has ruled today. With Bin Hammams private plane, we did the same for Blatter again in 2002 when he faced Issa Hayatou, in a most brutal election, and he wona second time.
 
I will talk about the discussions, which Bin Hammam and I held with Blatter following the 2002 elections, asking him to change the image of the FIFA. I will reveal the circumstances under which I told Blatter that blackness in football must not be only on the field of play but also on the field of the FIFA administration. I requested the introduction of more persons of colour at the administrative level of the FIFA, which today still has more than 95 per cent of its staff of over 300 persons belonging to one race, one country, one continent.
 In my expos, I will discuss the litany of broken promises made to me by Blatter who, instead of trying to include a larger number of persons of colour and other minorities within the administration of the FIFA, sought instead to placate me by assigning me to increasing numbers of FIFA committees and appointments. I will talk about the racism that is within FIFA. I will talk about the levels of religious discrimination which I sought to correct. I will talk about the Zionism, which probably is the most important reason why this acrid attack on Bin Hammam and me was mounted. These are just some of the issues of which I will speak as it relates to the FIFA.
 
I will also tell you about the attempts I have made over the years, in my capacity as Deputy Chairman of FIFA Finance Committee, to find out the salary of Sepp Blatter, and in spite of serving on the Finance Committee for over 8 years, I have not been able, through the books or even through direct requests to him, to determine the quantum of money given to him for the office of the President of FIFA. The changes I sought to effect at the FIFA, I attempted to start within the CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) when I brought Angenie Kanhai from the lowly paid salary serving as a stadium manager and positioned her as general secretary of the CFU. I will talk about how this change was to shift the paradigm of perception that football is a male-only, African-centred sport by introducing a woman of East Indian descent at a managerial position within the CFU, as a first measure. I will also give you detailed accounts of the conspiracy against the CFU by one of its own, who secretly videotaped that meeting for Chuck Blazer and was rewarded with an office in Miami and a higher salary and who unilaterally moved the CFUs 33-year-old office from Port-of-Spain to Miami so that every Caribbean official wanting to do football business in the Caribbean had to get a US visa. You will also understand why ingratitude is worse than witchcraft.
 
The role of Blazer in the CONCACAF will be exposed. His addiction to the stock market and how this impacted on the CONCACAFs finances will all be revealed. You will also be told why for some seven years I refused to sign Blazers contract and even today as I write to you he has none. You will learn why Blazer became vice-president of  CONCACAF ahead of Sunil Gulati, the present president of the USSF. His wheeling and dealing will stymie the international football community; it is no wonder he has signalled his intentions to leave his CONCACAF post. It is only when the tsunami hits that the global village will you understand why he has done all in his power to deny Lisle Austin of his right to the post of acting president at CONCACAF because he is quite aware of what a five-year audit into CONCACAF will reveal about him. There is much to talk about that will make the sponsors of both the FIFA and CONCACAF cringe with painful surprise. The vindictiveness of FIFA, not only against me but also against all others associated with me will be exposed. The FIFA has tried to muzzle me with threats of a worldwide suspension. They have said that they will close down the FIFA Development Office in Trinidad by year-end. They have advised that they will terminate my sons 2012 contract at the end of this year.
 
They have retaken the World Cup TV Rights first given to me by the former President of FIFA, Dr Joao Havelange, a matter for which they have not heard the last. They have refused to give me any of my 29-year pension. They continue to do such things like leaking a video in the hope that they can embarrass me to lie down on my belly. Never, I repeat, never, regardless of the consequences. Let me assure all that the promised tsunami will come. All the real gifts that Blatter gave to secure his two elections will turn stomachs inside out. The conspiracy to protect the FIFAs throne for Michel Platini by getting rid of the Muslim Bin Hammam and the interruption of the successes of Jack Warner will be uncovered for all to see. Of the eight FIFA Presidents, only one was not a EuropeanDr Joao Havelange was Brazilian. Three were English, one was Belgian, the incumbent is Swiss and two were French. Is it that people of colour cannot administer football? Or is it that only Europeans possess the skill to do so? Is this why Platini is being groomed as heir apparent? For the last FIFA election, the last count before the election showed that Blatter had 90 votes and Bin Hammam had 85 in a 209 FIFA membership. Whoever got 105 votes would have won. CONCACAF has 35 votes of which the Caribbean has 25. It would have been an interesting encounter until the region was sold out to Blazer and  Blatter. Even after Blatter had paid for a private plane for me to meet him in Guatemala to a midnight meeting I refused to give him CONCACAFs public support as all of the other Confederations except Asia.

Today the Caribbean is paying the price for standing up! What is now even more interesting is that in spite of being a senior FIFA official for 23 years and serving as the FIFAs 8th president for a period of 13 years, Sepp Blatter now suddenly sees the need to reform the FIFA from within in his last term of office and in the sunset of his days. This is hypocritical to say the least for it is public knowledge that his four terms of office have been dogged with controversy and allegations of corruption to which he has never responded. Why now I ask? But of this I will have much more to say.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 18, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
No but we want you to get ya head out of your backside. Maybe then you would figure how off-based you are. If that doesn't help here is what a "casual search" Google offered as its first selection in the search phrase "Zionism definition"
http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=Zionism&o=0&l=dir

See anything referring to radicalism or radical agendas? Didn't think so. Thanks for your effort.

Half-wit, you expect to find "radicalism" or "radical agendas" in the definition?  Does dictionary.com provide a definition that references "mudmen" or "Jewish Cabal"??

Since you need to be lead by the hand like the simpleton you are...

Jews against Zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/history.cfm)

Revisionist Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism)

Revisionist Zionism is a nationalist faction within the Zionist movement. It is the founding ideology of the non-religious right in Israel, and was the chief ideological competitor to the dominant socialist Labor Zionism. Revisionism is represented primarily by the Likud Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud).

From that noted anti-Semitic group the Anti-Defamation League (http://www.adl.org/durban/zionism.asp)...

"Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel."

That ought to get you started... once you finish your search for a definition that includes "mudmen" and "Jewish Cabal" of course.

Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 19, 2011, 12:50:59 AM
Half-wit, you expect to find "radicalism" or "radical agendas" in the definition?  Does dictionary.com provide a definition that references "mudmen" or "Jewish Cabal"??

Not necessarily your highness but a mention that points  to the movement as being radical or non-mainstream as you claim is not unreasonable. You obviously haven't been able to locate an example yourself and missed the point that aligned "mudmen" and "Jewish Cabal" as terms used by Jewish conspiracy theorists. Jack's reference to Zionism rearing its head in FIFA was not an acknowledgment of the Israeli/Palestine question but rather a loaded claim that lends credence to those crackpots. It's really not that hard to get.


Since you need to be lead by the hand like the simpleton you are...
Jews against Zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/history.cfm)
Revisionist Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism)

Jews Against Zionism is hardly a widespread movement. They are on par with Jews For Jesus as far as their reach and influence is concerned.

Revisionist Zionism is a nationalist faction within the Zionist movement. It is the founding ideology of the non-religious right in Israel, and was the chief ideological competitor to the dominant socialist Labor Zionism. Revisionism is represented primarily by the Likud Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud).

Another strike. When a movement is considered a "faction" within a larger movement, chances are that movement is not universal or widespread. The title alone refers to RZ as holding views that are antithetical to the original non-radical meaning of Zionism. In fact, the Likud Party does not represent the interests of the majority of Israelis and they actually won less seats in the Knesset than the more moderate Kadima Party.

Quote from: Bakes link=topic=55222.msg776105#msg776105 date=1318999312
From that noted anti-Semitic group the [url=http://www.adl.org/durban/zionism.asp
Anti-Defamation League[/url]...
"Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel."

What's your point? Are you equating "nationalism" with "radicalism"? Remember, your point was that Zionism was a universal AND radical movement that embraced the ideal that the two party solution should be rejected. You can't run from what you said.

Secondly, the definition you attribute to that wonderful organization is similar to the one I originally provided. So, thanks you idiot for managing to prove my original point that Zionism in it's origin is not a radical movement while contradicting your laughable claim that Zionism was inherently accepted worldwide as a radical movement. As the ADL holds on to the original meaning, when the term Zionism is used in the manner in which Jack presented it only a fool like yourself would believe the ADL and Jack use of the term have the same meaning.

That ought to get you started... once you finish your search for a definition that includes "mudmen" and "Jewish Cabal" of course.

You should have stuck with your open ended and unsupported statements because the items that you offered as evidence were a joke.


Title: Is Mr. Warner right about Michel Platini?
Post by: asylumseeker on October 19, 2011, 03:56:49 AM
I say he isn't all wrong.
Title: Re: Is Mr. Warner right about Michel Platini?
Post by: JDB on October 19, 2011, 05:42:50 AM
I say he isn't all wrong.

What did Warner actually say about Platini that was meaningful? He said that he is in line to replace Blatter which is well-known. All the rest was just fear-mongering.

What is the difference between a French Secretary/French President combo and the French Secretary/Swiss President combo that there is now?

Platini is a mixed bag. Everybody wanted him to be UEFA president. He was an excellent player, promising coach and good executive. As UEFA president he has shown an interest in smaller clubs/countries. The only problem is he seems to have clear biases. So while he has problems with big money in England he has less problem with it in France. I don't know how that plays out on the international scene. He has also well versed in FIFA politics supporting those 2018 and 2022 WC awards and supporting Blatter.

Also people have to Understand that there has never been a perfect FIFA president. Havelange was the consumate politician, corrupt, nepotistic, held on for way too long. But he show a lot more interest in developing the game outsdie of Europe. He use Africa and Asia to get power but then he gave them a seat at the table unlike Stanley Rous who only cared about Europe. The result was a constantky expanding WC, places for Africa, Asia and Concacaf. Blatter continue that populism refusing to give the WC to Europe every 8 years. Yuh have to give him credit for that.

There is no reason to expect that Platini would be Eurocentric because that not keeping yuh as President these days.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 19, 2011, 11:23:33 PM
.....this thread seems to have gotten awfully quiet all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 19, 2011, 11:26:56 PM
.....this thread seems to have gotten awfully quiet all of a sudden.

It got a bit boring when the topic strayed from T&T to the Middle East!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Bakes on October 19, 2011, 11:43:56 PM
Zionism is dominated by the nationalist movement in Israel, this is why more and more settlements are being built illegally in the West Bank. The ADL asserts that Zionism is the guiding nationalist movement... and this is what nationalism is today.  These settlements are the chief reason why there can't be peace today, because the Likud government of Netanyahu believe Jerusalem should be Jewish and not shared.  They specifically reject co-existence. These positions have been condemned by all of Israel's allies, including the US, the UK... and by the UN. 

Everyone outside of Israel, and many within recognize these acts/stances as radical, extreme, provocative... call it what you will.  Zionism ceased to be about "establishing a Jewish home state" 60 yrs ago when the State of Israel was established.  I could go on arguing and offering all the links I want but in the end it will only lead to more ole talk. At the end of the day no one knows what Jack really meant when he mentioned Zionism in his remarks... but to just dismiss concerns about Zionism as some zany, fringe lunatic talk is plain foolish.  Not surprising then to see Tempo pushing that talk and Mango Chow like ah maccomere man instigating talk on the side.

Moving on...
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Mango Chow! on October 19, 2011, 11:49:37 PM
.....this thread seems to have gotten awfully quiet all of a sudden.

It got a bit boring when the topic strayed from T&T to the Middle East!!

Blame jackula, is he who bring de Middle East into it.....but then again, any time anybody have an opinion different from king jackass there (aka "bake and shark") on any given thread the topic does tend to stray.  I guess if he ever played any real ball in he life he's a man woud start in de middle and always end up on de wing.


  Not surprising then to see Tempo pushing that talk and Mango Chow like ah maccomere man instigating talk on the side.

Moving on...

  The only maccomere man it have on this forum is de one yuh fag mudder make horse.  I doh instigate no talk on no side wit you.  I done let yuh know direct time after time after time......we could always take de discussion anywhere anytime over two carib.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 20, 2011, 07:03:21 AM
Zionism is dominated by the nationalist movement in Israel, this is why more and more settlements are being built illegally in the West Bank. The ADL asserts that Zionism is the guiding nationalist movement... and this is what nationalism is today.  These settlements are the chief reason why there can't be peace today, because the Likud government of Netanyahu believe Jerusalem should be Jewish and not shared.  They specifically reject co-existence. These positions have been condemned by all of Israel's allies, including the US, the UK... and by the UN. 

Everyone outside of Israel, and many within recognize these acts/stances as radical, extreme, provocative... call it what you will.  Zionism ceased to be about "establishing a Jewish home state" 60 yrs ago when the State of Israel was established.  I could go on arguing and offering all the links I want but in the end it will only lead to more ole talk. At the end of the day no one knows what Jack really meant when he mentioned Zionism in his remarks... but to just dismiss concerns about Zionism as some zany, fringe lunatic talk is plain foolish.  Not surprising then to see Tempo pushing that talk and Mango Chow like ah maccomere man instigating talk on the side.

Moving on...

It would be best for you to move on because you are completely out of your depth on this issue and I can assure you that Jack's use of the term was not an homage to Jewish repatriation or anything associated with politics in the Levant. Even you can recognize that fact.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: tempo on October 20, 2011, 05:45:34 PM
Jack's rant continues to bring global shame to T&T. This is the attention the esteemed minister has brought with his foray into anti-semetism and less than credible attempt to cast himself as protector of the African diaspora within the halls of FIFA.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/20/jack-warner-conspiracy-harry-pearson?cat=football&type=article
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Deeks on October 20, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
I hope Jack know what he getting into with this Zionism talk.
Title: Jack Warner is talking "garbage" claims Chuck Blazer
Post by: Tallman on October 21, 2011, 05:31:59 AM
Jack Warner is talking "garbage" claims Chuck Blazer
By Andrew Warshaw (Inside World Football)


Chuck Blazer, the FIFA official who blew the whistle on the biggest bribery scandal in the organisation's history, has launched a strongly worded rebuttal of a full-scale attack on him by former colleague Jack Warner, describing it as "garbage" and  "an amazing work of fiction".

In a letter to the Trinidad Guardian this week, Warner, who resigned from all football activities after being charged with bribery, laid into Blazer as well as promising to provide  "detailed accounts" of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) official he claims was guilty of conspiracy against his own colleagues, 16 of whom have been sanctioned by FIFA's Ethics Committee  for their roles in the cash-for-votes events of May 10 and 11.

Recorded tape of Warner apparently telling that CFU members that taking money from Mohamed Bin Hammam banned for life by FIFA pending an ongoing appeal was acceptable was used as part of the evidence seen by the ethics committee.

But in his letter Warner, former President of CONCACAF, declares that "ingratitude is worse than witchcraft" and says the CFU official in question secretly taped the meeting for Blazer - and was rewarded as a result.

He reserved particular venom for Blazer himself.

The two worked together for 15 years at both FIFA and CONCACAF but have now spectacularly fallen out.

Blazer announced last week he is stepping down as CONCACAF general secretary on December 31 but retaining his role on the FIFA Executive Committee.

"The role of Blazer in CONCACAF will be exposed," writes Warner who does not say when he would make the revelations.

"His addiction to the stock market and how this impacted on the CONCACAF's finances will all be revealed.

"You will also be told why for some seven years I refused to sign Blazer's contract and even today as I write to you he has none.

"You will learn why Blazer became vice-president of CONCACAF ahead of Sunil Gulati, the present President of the USSF (United States Soccer Federation).

"His wheeling and dealing will stymie the international football community; it is no wonder he has signalled his intentions to leave his CONCACAF post.

"It is only when the tsunami hits that the global village will you understand why he has done all in his power to deny Lisle Austin of his right to the post of acting President at CONCACAF because he is quite aware of what a five-year audit into CONCACAF will reveal about him."

Blazer, who is en-route to Zurich for a series of crucial FIFA meetings, which are due to begin tomorrow, says Warner is simply making things worse for himself.

"It is an amazing work of fiction," Blazer told insideworldfootball.

"If Jack has demonstrated anything during this process, it is that he says whatever he wants and then subsequently the facts prove he was lying.

"The tape is a great example of that.

"I wish I could take credit for having anything to do with the tape, but I didn't.

"At the time of the taping, I hadn't even spoken with Jack.

"In time, the source of the tape will come out, but I had nothing to do with it.

"Regarding the other garbage from Warner's mouth, since 1990 he had his personal accountant do the review of our books in New York.

"If there was anything wrong, he would have had it reported to him and it would have been addressed.

"To the contrary, each year we submitted an audited set of books to the Congress and biennial budgets which were accepted and approved by the membership with great happiness over our growth and development, together with the fiscal policies that provided for ample reserves and operating funds."

Warner's letter does not stop with Blazer, however.

Just as Sepp Blatter is about to unveil his eagerly awaited anti-corruption reforms, so Warner again goes on the offensive, with a series of allegations about vindictiveness, racism, Zionism and religious discrimination; and about how Blatter managed to get elected 1998 and 2002.

"In spite of being a senior FIFA official for 23 years and serving as the FIFA's eighth president for a period of 13 within in years, Sepp Blatter now suddenly sees the need to reform the FIFA from his last term of office and in the sunset of his days," writes Warner, who preferred to walk away from football rather than go the same way as Bin Hammam and face the courts.

"This is hypocritical to say the least for it is public knowledge that his four terms of office have been dogged with controversy and allegations of corruption to which he has never responded.

"Why now I ask?

"But of this I will have much more to say."

(http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/images/2011/10/Chuck_Blazer_behind_desk.gif)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 21, 2011, 06:49:44 AM
This is the most telling line:

"If Jack has demonstrated anything during this process, it is that he says whatever he wants and then subsequently the facts prove he was lying."

Warner uses this tactic a lot. He makes references to the tsunami, but it never appears. Its like a schoolboy saying to a bully "My fadder gonna come beat yuh ass" but the boy has no father. Its reactionary fantasy.

I have no doubt that Warner has huge amounts of evidence that could sink many at FIFA, but it would probably implicate himself too.

Jack talks about tsunamis and poor accounting and hypocrisy. Well, a tsunami is about to hit Jack. The players lawyer, Mike Townley, has issued a press release containing never before released information about TTFF accounts.

Should be in the press today.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Sam on October 21, 2011, 09:32:36 AM
Anybody know if Jack does walk with body guards ?

I planning to run behind him and hit him ah drop kick but I need assurance that he eh have body guards and I need to also know if I can get someone to tape it ?

I will be in T&T for de Guyana game.

Where Jack does be allyuh ? ah need ah place where I could escape easy.... hit and run nah....
Title: A question for Mr Warner
Post by: Tallman on October 21, 2011, 11:40:47 AM
A question for Mr Warner
T&T Express


I see that Jack Warner was boasting in the House of Representatives that he doesn't have to sing for his supper and that his meals are already prepared. He also gave a hint of where his meals come from in his letter to a daily newspaper when he refers to former FIFA president Joao Havelange giving him the TV rights to the World Cup.

Now, if this was entirely above board why were the TV rights first vested in the CFU before being transferred to Warner's company which then sold the most recent rights to Sportsmax?

My question here for Mr Warner is what justification is there for a sporting administrator to be personally given the proceeds from the World Cup TV rights. The CFU should be the recipient of these proceeds to build programmes for youth football.

Mr Warner has been a constant critic of the operations of the WICB. So, I would like to ask him if he would support the president of the WICB awarding the TV rights to the CEO or any other employee of the WICB.

I would like Mr Warner to answer this question.

Gregory Wight
Diego Martin

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on October 21, 2011, 11:47:42 AM
brilliant question Gregory!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 21, 2011, 04:15:45 PM
Should be in the press today.

Doh hold your breath......

As for the part about him lying.  I always remember how de man went on national radio and lie TWICE about the number of players still to collect money!!  Bold faced, bold faced....just so, cool, cool.....normel, normel.....the man psycho!!....
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 21, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
Should be in the press today.

Doh hold your breath......

As for the part about him lying.  I always remember how de man went on national radio and lie TWICE about the number of players still to collect money!!  Bold faced, bold faced....just so, cool, cool.....normel, normel.....the man psycho!!....

I hear James Saunders may cover this tonite and the BBC are on it too.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Socapro on October 21, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
http://www.tntmirror.com/2011/10/21/ag-clears-warner

AG Clears Warner
By Azad Ali - October 21st 2011 8:05 AM

Video tape shows gift not bribe
 
Works Minister Austin Jack Warner has no case to answer concerning the video and transcript in which he is alleged to have urged Caribbean Football Union (CFU) delegates at a May meeting this year at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Port of Spain to accept gifts of US$40,000 from FIFA former presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam.
 
Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar after reading the transcripts and looking at the video, which was posted on the Internet by the British Telegraph newspaper last week, said she referred the matter to Attorney General Anand Ramlogan.
 
Persad-Bissessar responded by saying, I have looked at the video. I have read the transcripts and I have referred the matter to the Attorney General to advise whether there is anything to be concerned about.
 
Political observers say that the prime minister put the ball in the AGs corner.
 
A legal source close to the AG said that he looked at the transcripts and found no evidence to indicate that the cash gifts Warner urged CFU officials to accept amounted to a bribe since the former FIFA vice-president specifically told the delegates to take the money and use it for development.
 
However, the source said that the AG has been taken up with the budget and has not yet perused the entire transcripts to give a definite response.
 
During the budget debate on Tuesday, Opposition MP Marlene McDonald questioned why copies of the transcript were not sent to the Integrity Commission instead of the AG.
 
But even before the AG rules, PNM Chief Whip McDonald, who is also an attorney, told the House of Representatives that the AG was not the proper persons to consider the matter.
 
She said the Integrity Commission was the proper authority to consider the matter.
 
The legal source said however that the British Telegraph transcripts from the video recorded in the conference room at the hotel showed that Warner was quick to point out that he did not want it to even remotely appear that anyone has any obligation to vote for former presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam because of what gifts he had given them.
 
According to the Telegraph report, Warner appeared to be telling other CFU members they must decide whether to accept the gifts of US$40,000 each and urging them to vote for Bin Hammam rather than Sepp Blatter in the recent presidential elections.
 
In the tape, Warner issues a direct challenge to anyone to turn down the gifts on ethical grounds.
 
The recording was made on May 11 after the money is alleged to have been offered in brown envelopes. It was reportedly used as evidence at a FIFA hearing last week in which 16 CFU officials are accused of violating FIFAs code of ethics.
 
Last week, Jamaican Football Association (JFA) captain Horace Burrell, a close ally of Warner, was slapped with a six-month ban from taking part in any football-related activity. Three other CFU officials were banned, three reprimanded and five warned by FIFAs ethics committee.
 
Bin Hammam, who is a former FIFA presidential candidate from Qatar, was banned by FIFA following an enquiry into whether he, along with Warner, colluded to bribe the CFU officials to vote for Bin Hammam in the June 1, 2011 presidential election.
 
Warner was given an option to be heard at the enquiry, but he refused and on June 17, 2011 tendered his resignation.
 
The two former top football officials have both denied any improper conduct.
 
The Works Minister has admitted that the voice on the video was his but suggested that the tapes were doctored.
 
He said he would not deny anything that he had said about the entire matter.
 
Warner said the entire matter was a piece of cake for him to deal with.
 
The former FIFA vice-president insisted that he was the longest serving member of the world football governing body and at the right time he would speak out.
 
The former CONCACAF president said that it was rather interesting that on the said day of the CFU delegates appearing before FIFAs Disciplinary Committee, the tape was released to international audiences.
 
So this leak is clearly sub judice and contrary to the very principles of law and justice, Warner told reporters.
 
He said the individuals responsible for recording the meeting and subsequent releasing of its contests show a clear case of entrapment.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 22, 2011, 06:34:12 AM
Should be in the press today.

Doh hold your breath......

As for the part about him lying.  I always remember how de man went on national radio and lie TWICE about the number of players still to collect money!!  Bold faced, bold faced....just so, cool, cool.....normel, normel.....the man psycho!!....

I hear James Saunders may cover this tonite and the BBC are on it too.

Well did he??  And that's the Sports news fella at CNMG right??  Sports....*sigh* all of a sudden this is a sports story....steups!!  Jokers....
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Football supporter on October 22, 2011, 06:36:36 AM
It was shown as the third sports story after West Indies cricket defeat and the award of contracts to cricketers. They mentioned the accounts but did not show them!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 22, 2011, 06:41:09 AM
Woe unto Warner
By Marlon Miller  Express

Story Created: Oct 22, 2011



MANY people can't help but like Jack Warner. He's charismatic, helpful, and gets things done when others have failed. But there's a lot of perception involved in all of this, a lot of smoke and mirrors.

There is no doubt, though, that Warner did well in rising through the ranks of FIFA, right up to the post of vice-president, working under Joao Havelange and then his successor, Sepp Blatter, bringing along the votes of the Caribbean Football Union and CONCACAF to keep those two gentlemen in the highest office of arguably the world's most powerful sporting organisation.

But after all these years, you would think that Warner would know that one of the other "man rats" would kick him out of the hole if he ever crossed his path.

So did Warner believe he was so big that his one-time ally Blatter would sit idly by while he was courted by Mohamed bin Hammam, the man who had his eye on the FIFA presidency and was seeking to displace the long-standing incumbent?

Blatter might have the look of a schoolteacher and not appear to be suited to hold down such a position, calling the shots at the helm of the beautiful game, but he was not ready to ease his hold on the reins of FIFA, which controls so many billions in television and corporate contracts.

So where did Warner drop his guard and play into the hands of his former buddy, who he has wined and dined on his many visits to Trinidad and Tobago over the years?

Did he really think that because Blatter handed out "gifts", with Jack and Mohamed at his side, on his jet-setting jaunts to rally support for his previous election campaigns that Warner would be able to do the same this time around?

That Blatter would step back while his former confidant seemed to be swinging to the other side and about to jump ship?

How could Warner think that he could get away with what was standard procedure for the president with so much at stake?

It must have been a strong dose of over-confidence that got the better of Jack and made him play into Blatter's hands, Sepp getting rid of two other man rats with one fell swoop.

And Blatter caught him so good that Warner was forced to resign in disgrace just before that contentious election last June.

Oh the ignominy, the shame and embarrassment. And worst of all, Jack had to give up all that power and influence, far less the perks, even though he didn't do anything wrong... or so he claims.

And what must be grinding Warner even more is that the man who orchestrated his downfall, who sold him out to Blatter, is none other than another long-time confidant in the rotund shape of Chuck Blazer, the beefy, bearded American who had run the CONCACAF office in New York in cahoots with Warner.

Talk about getting stabbed in the back!

Now, on the outside looking in, Warner is alluding to Blazer's many shortcomings, including his "addiction to the stock market".

But how come that wasn't a problem when they were both working together, as CONCACAF president and general secretary?

And the same goes for Blatter, who granted Trinidad and Tobago the rights to host two junior FIFA World Cup tournaments over the years, but all of a sudden is being made out to be such a vile, remorseless character.

Sure, it may all be true, but it sounds more like sour grapes to me, with Warner crying wolf long after the fact, when he has been forced out of the hole by a bigger man rat.

Don't get me wrong, though. I, too, couldn't help but like good, old Jack, who was most co-operative when I begged his indulgence in Kaiserslautern just before Trinidad and Tobago's game against Paraguay at the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

TV6 wanted me to interview Mr Warner before the game, but I had to go and find him up in the stands, where he was playing host to President George Maxwell Richards. I then had to ask him to follow me to a television booth on the other side of the stadium, where everything was set up to tape the interview and send it via satellite to the studios at Express House in Port of Spain.

Jack was suffering from the flu that day and was really under the weather. I could remember running down onto the field, then having to wait for him to catch up with me as he moved slowly through the crowd, with me panicking that we had just a two-minute window to do the interview and the satellite booked for a certain time.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, we got it donealthough there was some screw-up in the transmission back to Trinidadand I was forever grateful to Mr Warner and wondered how so many people could say so many bad things about such a nice, helpful fellow.

Then we got back to T&T and he tried to renege on paying the Soca Warriors a share of the huge amount of money the players generated by qualifying for the World Cup... and bringing honour and glory and so much recognition to our twin-island republic.

And the Warriors had to take Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation to court to get what was promised to the team. And five years later, they still haven't got it.

So Mr Warner could sing like a canary about all that is evil in FIFA, and how he was made a scapegoat, but the bottom line on that particular issue is that two wrongs don't make a right.

And until he and the TTFF pay the Soca Warriors, I can't help but not like him.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: Brownsugar on October 22, 2011, 06:46:55 AM
It was shown as the third sports story after West Indies cricket defeat and the award of contracts to cricketers. They mentioned the accounts but did not show them!!

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
What yuh expect??!!  Is CNMG after all, PP propaganda station.......well at least they did comment on it.  We should be grateful..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is caught on tape offering 'gifts of 25000 to Caribbean delegates
Post by: weary1969 on October 22, 2011, 08:12:58 AM
It was shown as the third sports story after West Indies cricket defeat and the award of contracts to cricketers. They mentioned the accounts but did not show them!!

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
What yuh expect??!!  Is CNMG after all, PP propaganda station.......well at least they did comment on it.  We should be grateful..... ::) ::)

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinitozbone on October 22, 2011, 09:24:15 AM
Are there any implications for the CFU and CONCACAF on the recent probe Blatter has commissioned on the ESL or it ISL yesterday?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on October 22, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
Woe unto Warner
By Marlon Miller  Express

Story Created: Oct 22, 2011



MANY people can't help but like Jack Warner. He's charismatic, helpful, and gets things done when others have failed. But there's a lot of perception involved in all of this, a lot of smoke and mirrors.

There is no doubt, though, that Warner did well in rising through the ranks of FIFA, right up to the post of vice-president, working under Joao Havelange and then his successor, Sepp Blatter, bringing along the votes of the Caribbean Football Union and CONCACAF to keep those two gentlemen in the highest office of arguably the world's most powerful sporting organisation.

But after all these years, you would think that Warner would know that one of the other "man rats" would kick him out of the hole if he ever crossed his path.

So did Warner believe he was so big that his one-time ally Blatter would sit idly by while he was courted by Mohamed bin Hammam, the man who had his eye on the FIFA presidency and was seeking to displace the long-standing incumbent?

Blatter might have the look of a schoolteacher and not appear to be suited to hold down such a position, calling the shots at the helm of the beautiful game, but he was not ready to ease his hold on the reins of FIFA, which controls so many billions in television and corporate contracts.

So where did Warner drop his guard and play into the hands of his former buddy, who he has wined and dined on his many visits to Trinidad and Tobago over the years?

Did he really think that because Blatter handed out "gifts", with Jack and Mohamed at his side, on his jet-setting jaunts to rally support for his previous election campaigns that Warner would be able to do the same this time around?

That Blatter would step back while his former confidant seemed to be swinging to the other side and about to jump ship?

How could Warner think that he could get away with what was standard procedure for the president with so much at stake?

It must have been a strong dose of over-confidence that got the better of Jack and made him play into Blatter's hands, Sepp getting rid of two other man rats with one fell swoop.

And Blatter caught him so good that Warner was forced to resign in disgrace just before that contentious election last June.

Oh the ignominy, the shame and embarrassment. And worst of all, Jack had to give up all that power and influence, far less the perks, even though he didn't do anything wrong... or so he claims.

And what must be grinding Warner even more is that the man who orchestrated his downfall, who sold him out to Blatter, is none other than another long-time confidant in the rotund shape of Chuck Blazer, the beefy, bearded American who had run the CONCACAF office in New York in cahoots with Warner.

Talk about getting stabbed in the back!

Now, on the outside looking in, Warner is alluding to Blazer's many shortcomings, including his "addiction to the stock market".

But how come that wasn't a problem when they were both working together, as CONCACAF president and general secretary?

And the same goes for Blatter, who granted Trinidad and Tobago the rights to host two junior FIFA World Cup tournaments over the years, but all of a sudden is being made out to be such a vile, remorseless character.

Sure, it may all be true, but it sounds more like sour grapes to me, with Warner crying wolf long after the fact, when he has been forced out of the hole by a bigger man rat.

Don't get me wrong, though. I, too, couldn't help but like good, old Jack, who was most co-operative when I begged his indulgence in Kaiserslautern just before Trinidad and Tobago's game against Paraguay at the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

TV6 wanted me to interview Mr Warner before the game, but I had to go and find him up in the stands, where he was playing host to President George Maxwell Richards. I then had to ask him to follow me to a television booth on the other side of the stadium, where everything was set up to tape the interview and send it via satellite to the studios at Express House in Port of Spain.

Jack was suffering from the flu that day and was really under the weather. I could remember running down onto the field, then having to wait for him to catch up with me as he moved slowly through the crowd, with me panicking that we had just a two-minute window to do the interview and the satellite booked for a certain time.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, we got it done—although there was some screw-up in the transmission back to Trinidad—and I was forever grateful to Mr Warner and wondered how so many people could say so many bad things about such a nice, helpful fellow.

Then we got back to T&T and he tried to renege on paying the Soca Warriors a share of the huge amount of money the players generated by qualifying for the World Cup... and bringing honour and glory and so much recognition to our twin-island republic.

And the Warriors had to take Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation to court to get what was promised to the team. And five years later, they still haven't got it.

So Mr Warner could sing like a canary about all that is evil in FIFA, and how he was made a scapegoat, but the bottom line on that particular issue is that two wrongs don't make a right.

And until he and the TTFF pay the Soca Warriors, I can't help but not like him.


Love it!!  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on October 23, 2011, 08:15:16 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15407965.stm


Fifa to re-examine bribes inquiry, says Sepp Blatter
Page last updated at 19:05 GMT, Friday, 21 October 2011



Fifa president Sepp Blatter denies world football's governing body is corrupt
 
Fifa has asked an external committee to lead a new investigation into the collapse of a former marketing partner.

Documents relating to the case are believed to show senior Fifa officials were paid kickbacks in return for granting World Cup television and sponsorship rights during the 1990s.

Fifa president Sepp Blatter said: "This is an issue which has been raised by the national associations and members."

He also announced the creation of three 'task forces' to drive through reforms.

Blatter said the executive committee will examine the documents relating to the company, International Sport and Leisure, at a meeting in Tokyo in December.

Continue reading the main story

We will give this file to an independent organisation outside of Fifa so they can delve into this file and extract its conclusions and present them to us
Sepp BlatterFifa president
World football's governing body has repeatedly blocked attempts by journalists to have the documents released.

Last year, lawyers acting for Fifa and its senior officials paid 5.5m Swiss francs (3.9m) to settle the case and keep their identities secret.
 



Fifa needs culture change, says former FA chair Lord Triesman
 
But last November a BBC Panorama investigation claimed that the two officials were former Fifa president Joao Havelange and his son-in-law Ricardo Teixeira, a Fifa executive committee member and chairman of the World Cup organising committee for Brazil 2014.

The programme said Teixeira received 6m in bribes via a front company called Sanud which was registered in the tax haven of Liechtenstein.

The Brazilian Fraud Squad has now opened an investigation into the allegations. Reports say it wants to make a request to the Swiss courts to have the documents released as part of its inquiries.

Regarding the ISL case, Blatter said: "The executive committee has at my request agreed that in the meeting of 16-17 December we will re-open this file.

"If there are any measures to be taken they will not be taken by the executive committee - it is not the body that can take sanctions or release anyone

"So we will give this file to an independent organisation outside of Fifa so they can delve into this file and extract its conclusions and present them to us."

Blatter also detailed an overhaul of Fifa's ethics bodies and expanded on the three "task forces" and a good governance committee to drive through reforms.

He laid out a two-year timetable for implementing the reforms. The governance committee would include representatives of clubs, leagues, players, referees and women's football.

One task force would look into changes to the FIFA statutes, a second would look at changes to the ethics committee and a third would be responsible for introducing changes to make FIFA more transparent.

These would be added to an existing task force aimed at making the sport itself more attractive in time for the 2014 World Cup.

All proposals were passed by the executive committee and Blatter said he wanted concrete results by the time of the FIFA Congress in June 2013.

Blatter said Fifa's road-map for the future was ambitious but he was pleased with the progress made thus far.

"We are moving forward with a Fifa that, thanks to the good governance committee, which is a bit of a watchdog and will allow us in 2013, maybe even before, to present an image slightly better than the one we have currently.

"We want a fair image, which shows the will of the Fifa leadership to not dwell on the past, to face up to its problems and find solutions. Tackling problems isn't enough, we need to find solutions."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on October 25, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
Warner is untouchable, warns Panday.
By David Gold
25 October 2011


Former Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Basdeo Panday has said that ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner cannot be touched, as an investigation is carried out into the former CONCACAF President's role in the cash-for-votes scandal by the country's Attorney General.

Anand Ramlogan, who is also a human rights attorney-at-law, was this month given videos and transcripts, which appear to show Warner encouraging Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials to take cash gifts prior to the FIFA presidential election in June.

The gifts were from former Presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam, who was suspended by FIFA over the incident, along with Warner, and subsequently banned from all football activity.

He was also forced to withdraw from the Presidential election, whilst Warner quit FIFA following the allegations.

A video revealed by The Daily Telegraph last month shows Warner saying: "When Mohamed Bin Hammam asked to come to the Caribbean he wanted to bring some silver plaques and wooden trophies and bunting and so on, and told me to bring for 30 people would be too much luggage.

"I told him he did not need to bring anything but if he wanted to bring anything to bring something equivalent to the value of the gift that he brought.

"I said to him if you bring cash, I don't want you to give cash to anybody, but when you do you can give it to the CFU and the CFU will give it to his members.

"Because I don't want [it] to even remotely appear that anyone has any obligation to vote for you because of what gifts you have given them, and he fully accepted that."

Trinidad and Tobago's current Prime Minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, decided to hand the matter over to Ramlogan, while police say investigations continue.

Panday, though, believes Warner must have incriminating evidence of wrongdoing in high places in Trinidad, such has been his ability to evade prosecution.

"I am now beginning to believe Mr Warner when he said he had a file on them because it seems as though he cannot be touched, even when the evidence is glaring," he said.

"If, by his own admission, he said he handed money over in the circumstances in which it was said and still, the Prime Minister doesn't believe there was any wrongdoing, then it must be that he has a file.

"The Prime Minister has got to take a decision on this matter and I believe she is trying to avoid taking that decision by handing the problem to the AG (Attorney General), who I can predict, will give a nonsensical legal decision in favour of Warner.

"The moment the Prime Minister said she was referring the Warner matter to the AG I knew they were going to cook it up.

"I don't think Warner is being treated lightly, but with fear.

"I think he's holding something over them and they can't touch him and their actions seem to confirm that he has files containing deleterious matter against them."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: College on October 25, 2011, 06:14:38 PM
Dais the most sense Panday make in years
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 25, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
"I think he's holding something over them and they can't touch him"

Really? No sh*t, Sherlock. Warner allegedly paid for the election, so you really think PP won't cover his back? Panday doing what Rowley should be doing. Ask the questions, expose the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on October 25, 2011, 07:56:16 PM
Bas spare me who u think pay 4 yuh joyride in 07 when u and jack went by mandellla. Socawarriors from 2006 money
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: sjahrain on October 26, 2011, 03:42:18 AM
What goes up
Must come down
Its only a question of time
Jack be nibble jack be quick
Jack got tripped by his own candle stick... :
You have to pay the Devil ....Jack
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on October 26, 2011, 10:41:58 AM
Oral Tracey explains why Jack is going down kicking & screaming: 
http://www.televisionjamaica.com/Programmes/SportsCommentary.aspx/Videos/13123
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on October 27, 2011, 01:47:11 PM
PSC responds to letter from Opposition Leader (http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=33962&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed)
Thursday 27th October, 2011

The Police Service Commission (PSC) wishes to inform members of the public that it met last Thursday at its offices, # 62 Queen Street, Port of Spain and discussed the letter from Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley regarding the International Federation of Football Association (FIFA) bribery allegations as it relates to persons in Trinidad and Tobago.

In keeping with its Constitutional responsibilities of monitoring the efficiency and effectiveness of the discharge of the functions of the Commissioner of Police, the Commission has decided to refer the letter to the Commissioner of Police, Dr Dwayne Gibbs, to provide a response and an explanation within fourteen (14) days.

 The Police Service Commission will continue to give updates on this matter.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on November 09, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,150298.html

Warner donates fifteen footballs
Wednesday, November 9 2011

MINISTER of Works Jack Warner yesterday provided the staff of Morvant Elements Football Club with 15 footballs.

The gesture was made possible with the help of Member of Parliament for Laventille East, Donna Cox. The Laventille East Member of Parliament said that when she was approached by the staff of Morvant Elements for assistance, she immediately contacted Warner who she described as her close friend and colleague to assist.

Warner agreed to provide assistance for the Morvant football club by means of giving them footballs and we are so grateful for it, said Cox yesterday.

She also made a plea to Minister of Sport Anil Roberts to upgrade the two recreation grounds in the Laventille area. Cox revealed that she wrote to Roberts over a year ago for assistance to make repairs to the grounds so that the facility can be used effectively. She explained that the surface of the grounds are in dire need of repair.

The Minister of Works wished the staff and members of Morvant Elements the best of luck in the forthcoming season. He urged the club to continue their hard work and training at young footballers.

The Morvant Elements football team campaigns in the Northern Football Association League (NFA) and provides many young players with avenues for development.

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Wonder if Warner is trying to send a subtle "up yours" signal to FIFA here?!   :thinking:

And btw Brown Sugar, what's the lastest with the court case?

I forgot the next court date but is Jack going to be able to get out of producing the missing accounts?
Title: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Flex on December 23, 2011, 07:04:01 AM
Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Soca Warriors Editorial.


Two months after receiving a court order to make an interim payment of $4.26 million dollars within 7 days, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation have yet to hand over a single dollar of the sum due to us, the 13 Soca Warriors of the 2006 World Cup Team.

This is the 6th Christmas our families and ourselves have to endure without our bonuses, remuneration for which we worked hard for and which the Trinidad and Tobago High Court agreed we deserved. This is a scandal of monumental proportions.

We have won legal decisions through arbitration in the UK and through the courts in Trinidad and Tobago, yet the TTFF has refused to comply with the law.

What is questionable is the fact that the TTFF continues to employ a battery of lawyers who, from all accounts, command very expensive fees given their standing in the legal world. Somehow the TTFF have managed to pay lawyers of this calibre but yet they have not paid us a dime. 

We have been left with no other alternative but to begin bankruptcy proceedings against the TTFF to recover the money owed to us. Also, these proceedings will allow the an insolvency practioner to carefully scrutinise how every dollar was spent and examine the various accounts money may have entered.

Works Minister, Austin Jack Warner who was in charge of all income collected during the 2006 World Cup campaign was named by Oliver Camps in an affidavit as being the sole person with knowledge of the missing TTFF funds believed to be in excess of $200 million.

Camps swore that despite frequent requests about the whereabouts of the true accounts and funds, Warner has ignored their requests.  The TTFF accounts submitted to the High Court were deemed as unaccountable by the Honourable Justice Rampersad.

The Judge also identified several discrepancies that required further explanations.  Why is Jack Warner refusing to produce accurate accounts? 

Jack Warner was given responsibility to act on behalf of the TTFF but has failed to hand over accounts and funds rightfully belonging to the nations federation, including the bonuses owed to the players.

Why is Mr Warner refusing to be transparent, particularly given that a large portion of the missing money was given to the TTFF from the nations purse? And, more questionable is why havent we had one comment from the Honourable Prime Minister regarding this issue.  Is it Warners intention to allow the TTFF to go bankrupt?

Where is the Sports Minister, Anil Roberts, in all of this?  Surely as the Sports Minister, he must order the federation to pay its players before he allows the federation to receive tax payers money.

Why hasnt Mr Roberts demanded accurate, full and final accounts from the 2006 Local Organizing Committee, run by Warner?

All Sports Promotions Tony Harford told Minister Roberts at the recent football consultation day that he had spoken to TTFF auditors KPMG who confirmed that the TTFF accounts were in order, but admitted that the question marks were around parallel accounts outside the control and preview of the TTFF. We feel that Minister Roberts cannot hide from these facts. 

It is not the players wish to damage Trinidad and Tobago football.  It has always been our desire to end this litigation speedily and fairly. However, if the TTFF refuses to adhere to the laws of the land we repeat insolvency proceedings will begin against the TTFF in the New Year. 

Lennox Watson must save his sinking ship. He has inherited an organization saddled with debts created by the previous executives mismanagement. Although not personally responsible for past events Mr Watson must act to save TTFF.

He promised a new dawn for Trinidad and Tobago football. Watson must pursue Warner to obtain the funds rightfully belonging to TTFF which can then be used to settle the players bonus dispute and the remaining millions can be used as they should be to develop football in Trinidad and Tobago.

The major issue here, as well as why the players have not been paid, is WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO, MUCH OF IT GRANTED TO THE TTFF OUT OF PUBLIC FUNDS??? This is the question that has never been properly exposed outside of the Court process.

Below, is the analysis of the TTFF audited accounts that was carried out at the end of 2010 for the purpose of submissions to Court that was filed in court on 31st December 2010. (See paragraphs 15-18, 51-53, 67, and 73-90 for the specific facts relating to false and misleading accounting.)

Commercial:  Breach of Contract

15. However it is clear that if Mr Camps has personally received money that was due to the First Defendant and was within the purview of the revenue sharing contract, or if he has diverted such money away from the First Defendant with a view to depriving the Claimants their share of it, then the Court should be in a position to order as against him restitution in appropriate terms depending on the precise facts.

16. There is now before this Court clear evidence that Mr Camps did receive money that was due to the First Defendant, and that he diverted that money away from the First Defendant. There is also evidence that Mr Camps concealed from the First Defendants auditors huge quantities of the First Defendants income. Mr Camps failed to inform the auditors that the accounts which he ultimately approved actually failed to include many millions of $ that had been received by the First Defendant during the relevant periods (or where at least due to the First Defendant and should have been received by the First Defendant). This income (from government sources, FIFA and sponsors) should have been evident from a simple examination of the bank accounts of the First Defendant, but apparently it was not. 

17. Mr Camps, in his capacity as President of the First Defendant, approved accounts that failed to record millions of TT$ of revenue that he would have readily appreciated were missing from those accounts. 

18. The Second Defendants conduct, now established on the evidence submitted by Mr Groden on 10th December 2010, is such that there appear good grounds for believing that this Court will need to order remedies against the Second Defendant in order to give effect to the terms of the contract between the First Defendant and the Claimants.

51. Evidence adduced by the Defendants during the Arbitration shows that Mr Camps took personal possession of two cheques in early May 2006 that have not been recognised in the accounts that have now been disclosed for the First Defendant and LOC 2006. 

52. On 1st May 2006 Mr Camps personally signed the cover letter from Roger Boynes, then Minister for Sport, which enclosed the Government of Trinidad and Tobagos cheque for TT$14,487,070.50, which was payable to T & T Football Federation. That cheque never made it into the official bank account of the First Defendant. We know this because that cheque was roughly twice the total income identified by KPMG in their audit of the 2006 period (see Attachment 5).

53. On the 5th May 2006 Mr Camps personally signed a receipt for TT$3,000,000 from Atlantic LNG which was drawn in favour of LOC 2006 but this is not disclosed in the latest Rampersad schedule of LOC income (see Attachment 6).

67. The Defendants have produced four sets of accounts so far since October 2006 all purporting to deal with the Claimants entitlement.That was the account actually handed to the players committee at the fateful meeting held in early October 2006. This was supposed to identify the players entitlement under the agreement but it did nothing of the sort. It was a confusing document that mixed totally irrelevant figures relating to the costs of qualification games with a single line entry for sponsorship. The entry for sponsorship identified just TT$9,258,100 as being the total sponsorship figure. It then sought to net of the apparent losses incurred on the warm-up games from the completely invented figure for sponsorship income producing a total figure due to the players of TT$475,201.75. And then in breach of the agreement that was actually reached the First Defendant sought to divide the pathetically low figure amongst the players AND officials.

We ask, rhetorically, how were the players ever going to understand the Player Account, other than the basic fact that it resulted in an insultingly low figure?These have been termed in the pleadings the Web Site Account and they were the work of Kenny Rampersad. These show a different figure for sponsorship income (see Summary of Sponsorship Income box) of TT$13,015,000.The KPMG Audit and the missing millions

73. This Submission has already commented on the manifest unreliability of the KPMG audit. In truth the audits represent shoddy and totally unreliable pieces of work. Both the officers of the First Defendant and KPMG share the blame. No doubt the officers did not volunteer relevant information but KPMG do not seem to have looked for it either. A simple desk top based exercise via the internet (a simple Google search) would have thrown up much of the relevant information that is absent from these accounts. This information includes the fact of the Arbitration Award, the fact that the TTFF were replete with sponsors during 2006, that TTFF were the recipients of a large FIFA grant, and the allegation that the company received 173m of government money (see Bobol article, Express Newspaper, 14th September 2007 Attachment 10). The Defendants lawyers will be bristling at the suggestion that the auditors should have listened to something as flimsy (as they will no doubt want to describe it) as a press article, or rely on Internet searches.   

74. Proper enquiries by KPMG would have put them directly and precisely on notice that what they were being shown in terms of bank account statements was not consistent with what they should have seen. There are millions of TT$ unaccounted for in these accounts and either this money was never received by the First Defendant therefore it must have been diverted away from the First Defendant, or if it was received by the First Defendant it went into accounts hidden from KPMG during the audit process. 

75. The principle feature of the KPMG accounts is the startling degree to which they fail to record millions of $ of revenue that we know the TTFF received from the Government, Government State Agencies and the Private sector; or should have received.

76. The accounts for 2006 and 2007 were prepared in November and December 2008, which was more than 6 months after the Arbitration Award and yet they make no mention of the significant contingent liability represented by the Award. It can be assumed that the auditors asked the usual questions of the companys officers and professional advisers regarding outstanding litigation, arbitration and judgements etc. So why is this liability not recorded in the accounts?

77. The accounts contain the following very significant qualification.

the Federation derives revenue from donations and grants, the completeness of which is not susceptible to satisfactory audit verification. Accordingly, our verification of those amounts was limited to amounts recorded in the accounts of the Federation..

In our opinion, except for the effect of the adjustments, if any, which we might have determined to be necessary had we been able to satisfy ourselves concerning the completeness of the donations and grants referred to in the preceding paragraph, the financial statements.present fairlythe financial position of the Federation

 
In other words the auditors could not in fact certify the accounts as accurately presenting a fair view of the financial position of the First Defendant. It appears that the auditors did not enquire of the obvious donors (the identity of which was well known to the audit firm), namely the Government through its Ministry of Sport or FIFA, as to how much they had given to the First Defendant. If they had done so they would have realised that almost none of that income had been recorded in the accounts of the First Defendant.   

78. The conduct of KPMG is even more surprising when you consider that their role, as they themselves describe it under Auditors responsibility, is to plan and perform the audit to obtain reasonable assurance whether the financial statements are free from material misstatementAn audit involves performing procedures to obtain audit evidence about the amounts and disclosures in the financial statements. The procedures selected depend on the auditors judgement, including the assessment of the risks of material misstatement of the financial statements, whether due to fraud or error.

Any auditor that sets out to establish that the accounts he has been provided with are free from material misstatement, whether due to fraud or error, is under a heavy responsibility to carry out some checks that meet the minimum definition of due diligence. This is even more so with a company largely funded by government investment. Obviously KPMG failed in that duty.

Surprisingly KPMG felt able to report that We believe that the audit evidence we have obtained is sufficient and appropriate to provide a basis for our audit opinion.

79. Each set of audited accounts has been approved personally by the Second Defendant (and his Vice-President). How could Oliver Camps have certified these accounts as accurate, or approved them? In the years 2005 and 2006 they disclose a TOTAL income of TT$11,610,992 from all sources, where has all the many millions that we know were committed to the First Defendant from government, FIFA and private entities gone? Take the FIFA award, according to the Director of Finance in his letter of 15th November 2006 to the federation he would only transfer funds to the official account of the Federation. Where are those monies, they were not shown to KPMG, what bank account did they go into? They are nominally accounted for in the un-audited LOC 2006 accounts recently produced by Mr Kenny Rampersad but it seems highly unlikely given the FIFA letter that these funds were actually received into the bank account of LOC 2006 Ltd.

80. Where is the cheque for TT$14,487,070.50 issued by the Ministry on 1st May 2006 payable to T&T Football Federation which was signed for as received personally by the 2nd Defendant? That cheque was endorsed A/C Payee Only so it had to be paid into an account of some kind which either was or purported to be that of the 1st Defendant, and yet it was clearly NOT deposited in any of the bank accounts that KPMG had access to. In relation to this cheque what we do know is that on the 1st May 2006 Oliver Camps had possession of it. We know it never hit the disclosed bank accounts of the First Defendant, so Mr Camps needs to explain what he did with it. 

81. Notwithstanding Mr Camps recent affidavit at least one plausible explanation about what happened to the 1st May 2006 cheque is that it was paid into a dummy account opened in the name of the First Defendant by the Second Defendant under the apparent authority of his sole trader business/business names registration.

82. The Claimants are possibly not due a share of this 1st May cheque but the evidence of misappropriation is relevant to their claims and the relief they seek on the First Extant Application. It suggests that the First Defendant operated through bank accounts that were not disclosed to their auditors, and therefore there may well be commercial revenue going into those accounts that the Claimants should share in.

83. These audited accounts also reinforce the fact that the Defendants routinely understated their income by a very wide margin, whether in these proceedings or generally. It also calls into question, in a significant way, the credibility of the Defendants, and in this regard particularly the 2nd Defendant, when it comes to believing anything they are prepared to admit by way of accounting.

84. According to the Second Rampersad Disclosure LOC 2006 made a profit of TT36,000,000; where has that money gone? It cant be in the accounts of the Federation for 2006 or 2007 as it exceeds the total income in each of those years, and for the two years combined.

85. Based on the letter of 21st February 2004 (Attachment 11) whereby Mr Warner on behalf of the First Defendant authorises LOC to act as Negotiating Agent for the TTFF it can be assumed that any profit should have been remitted across to LOCs principal, i.e. the First Defendant. 

86. It is clear that the Defendants cannot be trusted to produce accurate accounts to anyone, even when submitting to an audit by a reputable international firm. They have failed to do so on every occasion when they have disclosed financial information relevant to this case and to their wider accounting obligations for the period encompassing the 2006 World Cup and qualifying campaign.

The First Defendant disburses payments through third party bank accounts.
 
87. There is evidence that the First Defendant used the accounts of the Caribbean Football Union to pay the settlement amount to Chris Birchall and that it used the bank account of CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football) to repay the Charity Withheld moneys. See exhibits to affidavit of Second Defendant filed on 25th November 2010 and the copy bank drafts attached thereto. The payment to Birchall was by the order of the Caribbean Football Union and their account with the back was debited with US$ 30,004.64. Whereas the settlement payments to Andrews were by the order of the First Defendant. The drafts issued to repay the Charity Withheld monies however were by order of CONCACAF. It appears significant that all three organisations appear to hold their accounts at the same branch of the same bank. They all appear to bank at the Tragarete Branch of the Republic Bank Ltd. This would make it that much easier to mingle funds between the three organisations.

88. There would appear to be no reason why these third party organisations would be holding funds for the First Defendant or disbursing sums on its behalf. These payments do however provide another clue as to where the TTFF revenue (or part of it) may have ended up.

89. The use of these accounts by the First Defendant adds to the overwhelming sense of lack of transparency and to a feeling that there may be an intermingling of funds as between the TTFF, the CFU and CONCACAF. 

90. Note also that the Web Site Account was addressed to Mr Warner in his capacity as President of CONCACAF.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Football supporter on December 23, 2011, 07:32:35 AM
Merry Christmas and peace on earth to all men......especially those named below  :devil:
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 23, 2011, 07:41:14 AM
well ah started to read the thing but it too long for now.....I have ham to go and buy and a lil banking and de paranging start early from today.  So ah goh read it later.....in like  2- 3 days....but ah reach this far.....

We have been left with no other alternative but to begin bankruptcy proceedings against the TTFF to recover the money owed to us. Also, these proceedings will allow the an insolvency practioner to carefully scrutinise how every dollar was spent and examine the various accounts money may have entered.

BOOOOOOOMMMMM.....look what Santa left in the TTFF stockings......Merry Christmas bitches..... :devil: :devil:

God doh sleep!!!..... :flamethrower: :flamethrower: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on December 23, 2011, 07:55:15 AM
Ah tell dem fellas that is all I want 4 xmas bankruptcy proceedings against the TTFF.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Football supporter on December 23, 2011, 08:42:45 AM
You know, all joking aside, when you see things like this, you have to wonder who is guarding the guards in T&T.

52. On 1st May 2006 Mr Camps personally signed the cover letter from Roger Boynes, then Minister for Sport, which enclosed the Government of Trinidad and Tobagos cheque for TT$14,487,070.50, which was payable to T & T Football Federation. That cheque never made it into the official bank account of the First Defendant. We know this because that cheque was roughly twice the total income identified by KPMG in their audit of the 2006 period (see Attachment 5).

53. On the 5th May 2006 Mr Camps personally signed a receipt for TT$3,000,000 from Atlantic LNG which was drawn in favour of LOC 2006 but this is not disclosed in the latest Rampersad schedule of LOC income (see Attachment 6).


The so-called accounts have been in the public domain for years now. Why hasn't Atlantic LNG raised this question? Carib gave $10 million but this dissolved into $3 million according to the "accounts".

What about the Ministry of Sport? Not only was their $14 million not in the accounts, but TTFF denied they received anything close to the $88 million that they told Boynes they had received. Can organisations just lie to Government without redress?

Why hasn't KPMG made a statement? Apparently they now concede that there were "parallel accounts". Why was this not reported and investigated?

Enough people have let this go and turned a blind eye. When you see players being paid through CFU and CONCACAF accounts and photos of Warner collecting cheques which don't appear in the accounts, you have to ask why Kamla is letting this happen and further damage T&T's reputation. 
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: KND2 on December 23, 2011, 08:43:10 AM
This is not about Money for Jack..... he have money, in fact he spending a big bunch trying to win the case,

This is about spite.

he refuse on his principle to give the money.


somepeople just dont know how to lose.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: truetrini on December 23, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
This is not about Money for Jack..... he have money, in fact he spending a big bunch trying to win the case,

This is about spite.

he refuse on his principle to give the money.


somepeople just dont know how to lose.

I nominating this as shit post for the year..KND yuh win hands down, yuh does always bring some nuggets ah shit,,,but dis is just de best piece ah pinch off too-too yuh lay for de year!
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: King Deese on December 23, 2011, 10:31:27 AM
 :bs: :cursing: :pissedoff:
KPMG - You jokey
Lennox Watson of Sherlock Holmes fame - Elementary my dear Watson - Resign quickly, your ship sinking in too - too.
Sherlock Holmes himself - aye how you could look at that fella in the mirror. You know, the one looking back at you. Yesterday you was the big dog, now today you are the fire hydrant. Just to borrow a quote.
Oliver Camps - You jokey too. You would look good in prison stripes.
The TTFF - the entire TTFF. You jokey too.
Concacaf - A bunch of clowns.
CFU - come clean and tell us where some of the money is.
Minister of Sports - You jokey too.

What a crew. All ah allyuh jokey.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Daft Trini on December 23, 2011, 12:06:39 PM
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Storeboy on December 23, 2011, 03:04:09 PM
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: RehanaOmardeenfan on December 23, 2011, 05:31:59 PM
Mr. Warner has always been a fighter. Could not have made it this far without being one, so I dont see that changing now.

That being said I am sure all of those involved in such disputes will at least receive SOME compensation for their work.

Chin up players!
Chin up Mr. Warner!
(http://i43.tinypic.com/nfjgq1.jpg)
Mr Warner and princess Rehana circa 2010.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: elan on December 23, 2011, 08:15:00 PM

(http://i43.tinypic.com/nfjgq1.jpg)
Mr Warner and princess Rehana circa 2010.

Where he next hand ??? He picking she pocket or what  ???
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Bakes on December 24, 2011, 12:02:55 AM
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....

Except Corzine didn't make any money disappear... did he?  Like most right-wing nutjob Republican sound bites... makes for a nice lead-in on Faux News, but completely lacking in basis.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: tempo on December 24, 2011, 12:25:55 AM
Warner and John Corzine should teach the world that trick on how they does make money disappear....

Except Corzine didn't make any money disappear... did he?  Like most right-wing nutjob Republican sound bites... makes for a nice lead-in on Faux News, but completely lacking in basis.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/brokerage/story/2011-12-13/mf-global-corzine-customer-money/51876290/1
Not really
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Flex on December 25, 2011, 06:26:41 AM
Guardian Link (http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2011/12/25/sixth-christmas-and-no-ttff)

Express Link (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/BANKRUPTCY-136194093.html)

Stabroek Link (http://www.stabroeknews.com/2011/news/breaking-news/12/25/soca-warriors-threaten-to-begin-proceedings-against-tt-football-federation/)
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Football supporter on December 27, 2011, 12:43:15 PM
Guardian Link (http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2011/12/25/sixth-christmas-and-no-ttff)

Express Link (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/BANKRUPTCY-136194093.html)

Stabroek Link (http://www.stabroeknews.com/2011/news/breaking-news/12/25/soca-warriors-threaten-to-begin-proceedings-against-tt-football-federation/)

What I find interesting in the way this story is reported is that none of the journalists have asked questions concerning the attached submissions and questions concerning the accounts. This, of course, is the real story. The fact that the players will try to force bankruptcy is the fact of the story, but the reasons why they may achieve this and the potential damage to the country as well as the repercussions for TTFF have been omitted.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 28, 2011, 06:59:11 PM
Now ah happen to be listening to I95.5fm this evening when the sports news report came on.  They included a report on some function the TTFF had for the U-23's and U-17 girls and Anthony Harford came on and said a few words.  His speech touched on the financial situation with the TTFF.  He stated that he sat down with KPMG and KPMG has confirmed/verified that ALL IS IN ORDER WITH THE TTFF'S BOOKS.   ??? :-\   He said the TTFF has a cash flow problem but that in essence all is in order. 

Now he may have been referring to the accounts for the period he was running the show, but going back to the accounts in 2006, I know that it was reported that KPMG has said they can comment on the TTFF's books as being accurate however it the "other" books that they can't comment on.

Now knowing how the general public out there clueless about anything TTFF vs. 2006 Soca Warriors court battle, a less informed person listening to Mr. Harford would have been left with the impression that all is indeed in order over at the TTFF.......so let we say the players levy January morning, wouldn't it sound contradictory??   hhhhhhmmmm.......then again, plenty people eh listening to the sports report on I95.5fm at that hour anyway so plenty people eh hear him, but ah just found it a tad curious that he would put that out there, especially what is coming around the corner.....
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: weary1969 on December 28, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
Now ah happen to be listening to I95.5fm this evening when the sports news report came on.  They included a report on some function the TTFF had for the U-23's and U-17 girls and Anthony Harford came on and said a few words.  His speech touched on the financial situation with the TTFF.  He stated that he sat down with KPMG and KPMG has confirmed/verified that ALL IS IN ORDER WITH THE TTFF'S BOOKS.   ??? :-\   He said the TTFF has a cash flow problem but that in essence all is in order. 

Now he may have been referring to the accounts for the period he was running the show, but going back to the accounts in 2006, I know that it was reported that KPMG has said they can comment on the TTFF's books as being accurate however it the "other" books that they can't comment on.

Now knowing how the general public out there clueless about anything TTFF vs. 2006 Soca Warriors court battle, a less informed person listening to Mr. Harford would have been left with the impression that all is indeed in order over at the TTFF.......so let we say the players levy January morning, wouldn't it sound contradictory??   hhhhhhmmmm.......then again, plenty people eh listening to the sports report on I95.5fm at that hour anyway so plenty people eh hear him, but ah just found it a tad curious that he would put that out there, especially what is coming around the corner.....

U C Y yuh boi Contro had a problem wit Harford.
Title: Protesting W Cup players threaten bankruptcy proceedings
Post by: Socapro on December 28, 2011, 09:31:20 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/sunday-december-25-2011/sixth-christmas-and-no-ttff

Players VS T&TFF impasse:
Sixth Christmas and no $$$ from T&TFF
Protesting W Cup players threaten bankruptcy proceedings

Published: Sunday, December 25, 2011

Disgruntled members of the 2006 Trinidad & Tobago team that played at the FIFA World Cup in Germany have threatened to file bankruptcy proceedings against the T&T Football Federation. This stems from their long-running dispute between the national governing body and the players over payments and bonuses that were owed to them, following their historic qualification for the famous tournament. Two months after receiving a court order to make an interim payment of US $710,000 within seven days, the T&TFF have yet to hand over a single dollar of the sum due to us, the 13 Soca Warriors of the 2006 World Cup Team, the group stated in a media statement appearing on the Soca Warriors Online Web site. This is the sixth Christmas our families and ourselves have had to endure without our bonuses, remuneration for which we worked hard for and which the T&T High Court agreed we deserved. This is a scandal of monumental proportions.
 
The group added: We have won legal decisions through arbitration in Britain and through the courts in T&T, yet the T&TFF has refused to comply with the law. What is questionable is the fact that the T&TFF continues to employ a battery of lawyers who, from all accounts, command very expensive fees given their standing in the legal world. The group said: Somehow, the T&TFF have managed to pay lawyers of this caliber, but yet they have not paid us a dime. We have been left with no other alternative, but to begin bankruptcy proceedings against the T&TFF, to recover the money owed to us. Also, these proceedings will allow an insolvency practitioner to carefully scrutinise how every dollar was spent and examine the various accounts money may have entered.
 
Players call on Minister Roberts to act The players also chided Minister of Sport Anil Roberts for his reticence on the matter. Surely as the Sports Minister, he must order the Federation to pay its players before he allows the federation to receive taxpayers money, the group said. Why hasnt Mr Roberts demanded accurate, full and final accounts from the 2006 Local Organizing Committee..? The protesting players said it was unfortunate that the new administration was saddled with the responsibility and called on the acting president to settle the matter. It is not the players wish to damage T&T football, he said. It has always been our desire to end this litigation speedily and fairly. However, if the T&TFF refuses to adhere to the laws of the land, we repeat insolvency proceedings will begin against the T&TFF in the New Year.
 
The players continued: Lennox Watson must save his sinking ship. He has inherited an organisation saddled with debts created by the previous executives mismanagement. Although not personally responsible for past events, Mr Watson must act to save TTFF. He promised a new dawn for T&T football. Watson must...obtain the funds rightfully belonging to the T&TFF which can then be used to settle the players bonus dispute and the remaining millions can be used as they should be to develop football in T&T. Before the 2006 World Cup, the T&TFF reached a deal between the Federation and the players to share the proceeds from their participation in the tournament.
 
After the World Cup, the Federation declared revenue of just over US $3 million and costs of just under US $3 million, offering the players a split of just under US $950 apiece. The players rejected the figure, disputing the Federations numbers, a stance reinforced when the T&T Government revealed that the T&TFF received close to US $30 million. The T&TFF proposed that the bonus dispute be heard before the British Sports Dispute Resolution Panel and arbitrator Ian Mill, QC, ruled in favour of the players. (CMC)
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Football supporter on December 28, 2011, 09:58:59 PM
This is all spin by Harford. It is clear that (on the surface) Watson and Harford are trying to put some distance between TTFF and Warner/Camps. They are repeating the story that KPMG have confirmed TTFF accounts are accurate and its the "parallel accounts" where the problem lies, and this is not the fault of TTFF.

Unfortunately, because there are still barriers between TTFF & the players, they never took the time to try to build a bridge and cooperate. Had they done this, maybe the players would have given a few hints as to what was coming. TTFF and KPMG are going to find it difficult to explain where the TT$14,487,070.50 issued by the Ministry on 1st May 2006 payable to T&T Football Federation which was signed for as received personally by Camps has gone.

I like Harford and I'm sure he's trying very hard to make TTFF transparent, but before you can heal a wound, you must eradicate all of the poison. Trying to gloss over mistakes merely marks you as bad as the original culprit. As they say.....when in a hole - stop digging.

If TTFF want to be viewed as transparent and above board, they need to clean house and assist the courts. KPMG too, have their reputation at stake. Maybe they really did do all that was required, but a statement concerning well documented missing items should be made, if only to protect themselves.

Groden has been identified as signing off on incorrect accounts, but he's still part of the TTFF's "new dawn"

Anyway you look at it, if TTFF really want to project themselves as open, transparent and honest, they should launch an internal enquiry concerning the lost millions and the conduct of TTFF officers and employees still working within TTFF. The results should be made public and any wrongdoing should be punished. They should also be seeking to establish the whereabouts of their missing funds and begin the legal process to recover them. They should also question their responsibility to continue incurring legal fees when it is clear from evidence presented to the courts that the two men who hold all of the answers are no longer associated with TTFF. Indeed, the TTFF legal representatives would be better served by putting together their own case against Camps and Warner, and any others involved in the alleged misplacement of TTFF funds. 
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Socapro on December 28, 2011, 10:15:26 PM
This is all spin by Harford. It is clear that (on the surface) Watson and Harford are trying to put some distance between TTFF and Warner/Camps. They are repeating the story that KPMG have confirmed TTFF accounts are accurate and its the "parallel accounts" where the problem lies, and this is not the fault of TTFF.

Unfortunately, because there are still barriers between TTFF & the players, they never took the time to try to build a bridge and cooperate. Had they done this, maybe the players would have given a few hints as to what was coming. TTFF and KPMG are going to find it difficult to explain where the TT$14,487,070.50 issued by the Ministry on 1st May 2006 payable to “T&T Football Federation” which was signed for as received personally by Camps has gone.

I like Harford and I'm sure he's trying very hard to make TTFF transparent, but before you can heal a wound, you must eradicate all of the poison. Trying to gloss over mistakes merely marks you as bad as the original culprit. As they say.....when in a hole - stop digging.

If TTFF want to be viewed as transparent and above board, they need to clean house and assist the courts. KPMG too, have their reputation at stake. Maybe they really did do all that was required, but a statement concerning well documented missing items should be made, if only to protect themselves.

Groden has been identified as signing off on incorrect accounts, but he's still part of the TTFF's "new dawn"

Anyway you look at it, if TTFF really want to project themselves as open, transparent and honest, they should launch an internal enquiry concerning the lost millions and the conduct of TTFF officers and employees still working within TTFF. The results should be made public and any wrongdoing should be punished. They should also be seeking to establish the whereabouts of their missing funds and begin the legal process to recover them. They should also question their responsibility to continue incurring legal fees when it is clear from evidence presented to the courts that the two men who hold all of the answers are no longer associated with TTFF. Indeed, the TTFF legal representatives would be better served by putting together their own case against Camps and Warner, and any others involved in the alleged misplacement of TTFF funds.  

 :beermug:
Title: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: royal on December 29, 2011, 03:31:39 PM
Former FIFA Executive Says He Got World Cup TV Rights for $1.
By: Tariq Panja.


Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner said he got the World Cup television rights for Trinidad & Tobago for $1 after helping Sepp Blatter get elected president of the soccer ruling body.

Warner, who quit world soccers governing body in June after accusations of bribery, said today in a statement that he got the rights from FIFA in 1998 via a Mexican company and also acquired them for the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions. He used the revenue from selling on the rights to develop the sport in the Caribbean, where hes from, according to the statement.

Warner quit during a FIFA investigation into allegations about him and another vice president, Mohamed Bin Hamman. The pair was accused of giving Caribbean officials $40,000 in cash to gain support for Bin Hammams presidential campaign against Blatter. At the time, Warner denied wrongdoing and said hed been hung out to dry after 30 years with FIFA.

Zurich-based FIFA said in an e-mail today it will look into Warners comments, and the organizations London-based spokesman Brian Alexander declined to make any immediate response.

FIFA normally sells World Cup television rights directly to broadcasters, or sub-contracts companies to negotiate sales.

Warner said he refused to endorse Blatter in the June election even though he was offered the rights to the 2018 and 2022 World Cup for a nominal fee. He also alleged that he was offered other inducements to develop soccer in the region, including relaying turf at a stadium in Trinidad & Tobago and $1 million in grants, according to the statement.

Past Agreements
 
FIFA rescinded an agreement with International Media Content Ltd.s SportsMax cable channel to broadcast the 2014 World Cup in the Caribbean after only recently becoming aware that a company owned by Warner negotiated the sale on behalf of the regional soccer association, the BBC reported Sept. 8, citing a FIFA letter to the association.

IMC had paid as much as $20 million for the rights to the 2010 and 2014 tournaments, the BBC said.

Hammam withdrew his candidacy in May, and Blatter was re- elected on June 1 as the only candidate. Hammam denies wrongdoing and is appealing a life ban from soccer at the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Blatter in October announced plans to reform FIFA, which governs the sport and oversees the World Cup. The soccer showpiece tournament generates about $4 billion in television rights, sponsorship and other income.


To contact the reporters on this story: Tariq Panja in London at tpanja@bloomberg.net. Alex Duff in Madrid at aduff4@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Christopher Elser at at celser@bloomberg.net
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: FF on December 29, 2011, 04:35:54 PM
Former FIFA Executive Says He Got World Cup TV Rights for $1

Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email ...Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner said he got the World Cup television rights for Trinidad & Tobago for $1 after helping Sepp Blatter get elected president of the soccer ruling body.

Warner, who quit world soccers governing body in June after accusations of bribery, said today in a statement that he got the rights from FIFA in 1998 via a Mexican company and also acquired them for the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions. He used the revenue from selling on the rights to develop the sport in the Caribbean, where hes from, according to the statement.

Come on son...
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: King Deese on December 29, 2011, 05:36:57 PM
Don't believe the hype. :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Football supporter on December 29, 2011, 07:35:53 PM
Now, you guys aren't being fair to Mr Warner. I'm sure over the next few days, Mr Warner will produce documents showing how the money was spent on developing football in the Caribbean. Then you will all have to apologise to Mr Warner for being so sceptical. And also, I just heard that Hersheys have made a chocolate fireplace and England have been declared the worlds best penalty takers.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Bakes on December 29, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
People overlooking the obvious silver lining.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: tempo on December 29, 2011, 10:30:30 PM
Jack has fallen into the abyss and he wants company.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Brownsugar on December 30, 2011, 05:48:15 AM
People overlooking the obvious silver lining.

uuuuummmmm that he finally admit to bribery..... ??? :-\  *scratches head*
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Brownsugar on December 30, 2011, 05:50:20 AM
Former FIFA Executive Says He Got World Cup TV Rights for $1

Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email ...Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner said he got the World Cup television rights for Trinidad & Tobago for $1 after helping Sepp Blatter get elected president of the soccer ruling body.

Warner, who quit world soccers governing body in June after accusations of bribery, said today in a statement that he got the rights from FIFA in 1998 via a Mexican company and also acquired them for the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions. He used the revenue from selling on the rights to develop the sport in the Caribbean, where hes from, according to the statement.

Come on son...


Well just imagine what we could have accomplished if the money was ACTUALLY spent on developing the Sport.....but who am I to judge.... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Football supporter on December 30, 2011, 06:10:26 AM
Sancho & Fenwick just on CNC3. Both saying TTFF should clear house and start again. Also, they should take action to recover the money witheld from them and Anil should be assisting!
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Sam on December 30, 2011, 08:06:02 AM
Sancho & Fenwick just on CNC3. Both saying TTFF should clear house and start again. Also, they should take action to recover the money witheld from them and Anil should be assisting!

Anil not going against Jack, talk done !!!! Jack owns alot of puppets in T&T.

And I fed up with the talk, lets do something ?

I will be in T&T for carnival.

PS: I wonder what Jack talking about when he say he develop the sport in the Caribbean with the money he got ? Jack invest in sports in the caribbean and reap the profits he did not DEVELOP !!!!! he was a business man who only shop for himself.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2011, 08:30:29 AM
uuuuummmmm that he finally admit to bribery..... ??? :-\  *scratches head*

That if he can substantiate the claims it could lead to Blatter's ouster.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Tallman on December 30, 2011, 08:45:17 AM
Old news

May 30th 2002

FIFA had written off a $9m loan to the Caribbean and North American football confederation, which is run by Jack Warner, an ally of Mr Blatter's. Mr Warner's own television company had also been given the exclusive television rights in the Caribbean to the last three World Cups for the princely sum of $1.
http://www.economist.com/node/1143080
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: royal on December 30, 2011, 08:48:21 AM
Tallman first ran this story on this site almost 10 yrs ago

below is a piece from the article

Time for a clean-up
The Economist

May 30th 2002

THE timing could not be more unfortunate. The FIFA World Cup—to give the competition its full title—is meant to be the jewel in the crown of football's world governing body. But only weeks before the start of the World Cup, Sepp Blatter, FIFA's president, was accused of corruption and mismanagement by none other than his most senior administrator.

In a 21-page dossier, Michel Zen-Ruffinen, FIFA's general secretary, alleged among other things that:

• Mr Blatter had repeatedly made unauthorised payments from FIFA accounts. He had also, in the presence of witnesses, handed over a cheque for $25,000 to a former referee. Mr Blatter later admitted making the payment, but said the money had come from his own funds. He said he was helping a man down on his luck, adding: “I'm too good a person.”
FIFA had written off a $9m loan to the Caribbean and North American football confederation, which is run by Jack Warner, an ally of Mr Blatter's. Mr Warner's own television company  had also been given the exclusive television rights in the Caribbean to the last three World Cups for the princely sum of $1.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Football supporter on December 30, 2011, 08:51:22 AM
This is definately a shot across the bows of Blatter and bound to cause embarrassment. However, I'm not sure its a good move by Warner. Its ok exposing Blatter, but then Jack must be confident that he can asccount for the money obtained from the sale of those rights.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Daft Trini on December 30, 2011, 10:46:26 AM
Television rights is one thing, what about the advertising fees he charged because he got these rights?

I mean he sons eh buying dem car with monopoly money.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Bakes on December 30, 2011, 12:36:06 PM
Old news

May 30th 2002

FIFA had written off a $9m loan to the Caribbean and North American football confederation, which is run by Jack Warner, an ally of Mr Blatter's. Mr Warner's own television company had also been given the exclusive television rights in the Caribbean to the last three World Cups for the princely sum of $1.
http://www.economist.com/node/1143080

Nah Tallman, this different... that speaks of an official act by FIFA to write off CONCACAF debt and yes, give Jack exclusive rights.  However, not only has the climate changed surrounding FIFA, but Jack specifically alleges a quid pro quo here, namely exchange of votes for the rights to WCs going forward to 2018 or whatever.  If he could prove this then Blatter would be hard-pressed to make a case as to why he should remain in the Presidency.


... but then again, this is FIFA we talking about.



This is definately a shot across the bows of Blatter and bound to cause embarrassment. However, I'm not sure its a good move by Warner. Its ok exposing Blatter, but then Jack must be confident that he can asccount for the money obtained from the sale of those rights.

Jack wouldn't have to account for anything.  The rights were granted to him in a private, non-official capacity.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on December 30, 2011, 02:58:32 PM
Jack like he rising........
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Tallman on December 30, 2011, 08:01:50 PM
Shaka's thoughts (approximately 3:15 into the video):
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/128337.html
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Brownsugar on December 31, 2011, 07:38:30 AM
uuuuummmmm that he finally admit to bribery..... ??? :-\  *scratches head*

That if he can substantiate the claims it could lead to Blatter's ouster.


ooooohhhh....right, right.  It briefly crossed my mind about how Blatter would respond but like you say is FIFA.....dey probably consider Jackie boy's rantings like that of someone who doh like the taste of sour grapes.....
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Flex on December 31, 2011, 08:58:45 AM
British MP demands investigation into FIFA chief Sepp Blatter
By Andrew Warshaw (Insidethegames.biz).


British MP Damian Collins has renewed his call for a thorough investigation into Sepp Blatter's own conduct following startling new allegations made by the FIFA President's former right-hand man and senior vice-president, Jack Warner.

Warner has disclosed a string of revelations about alleged wrongdoing by Blatter since being forced to resign from FIFA in the wake of the cash-for-votes scandal that also led to the downfall of the former Asian football chief Mohamed Bin Hammam, banned from all football activities pending appeal.

In his latest tirade, Warner claimed he was awarded lucrative World Cup TV rights for a nominal $1 (0.65/0.77) after assisting Blatter's election as President.

Warner still believes he was let down and his latest comments have prompted a strong intervention by the prominent Parliamentarian Collins, who recently formed a global grouping of politicians to push for reform.

Collins describes the new allegations as "shocking" and believes Blatter, who last October announced a two-year road map towards cleaning up FIFA, must also clean up his own act.

"Is he serious about sorting the mess out, or is he only interested in protecting his own?" asks Collins (pictured), who sits on the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee.

"These are serious allegations that must surely go to the very top of FIFA and need to be fully and independently investigated."

Warner has alleged that in 1998, through a Mexican Company called OTI, he was sold the FIFA World Cup rights for Trinidad and Tobago for $1, following his support for Blatter to win the FIFA Presidency.

Warner also states that he used the sale of those rights "primarily to assist in the development of football in Trinidad and Tobago" and further alleges that in 2002 he was personally sold the World Cup TV Rights for 2002 and 2006, and that he later acquired the rights for the 2010 and 2014 championships.

Warner, who ran the game in the Caribbean, additionally claimed that he refused to back Blatter for this year's election the 75-year-old Swiss was re-elected unopposed in June after bin Hammam withdrew despite being offered the 2018 and 2022 World Cup rights for Trinidad and Tobago, again for a nominal fee.

"If true, how could deals like this be done without the knowledge of the most senior people in the organisation?" asks Collins of Warner's claims.

"This is a question that has to be answered by Sepp Blatter and it also demonstrates why there has to be a committee of investigation and inquiry which can act independently of the President and FIFA's Executive Committee.

"In the last year, 11 of the 24 members of FIFA's ruling Executive Committee have faced allegations of corruption; no real progress towards reform has been made within FIFA and there has never been an independent investigation into all of the bribery allegations made against them.

"One man is ultimately responsible for this Sepp Blatter."
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: KND2 on December 31, 2011, 11:31:35 AM
jack did develop football in the region.

Center of excellence

U 17 world cup football stadiums

who else build anything football related in the caribbean.


He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Bitter on December 31, 2011, 11:37:57 AM
jack did develop football in the region.

Center of excellence

U 17 world cup football stadiums

who else build anything football related in the caribbean.


He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.

You know building stadia doesn't equal football development, right?
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: weary1969 on December 31, 2011, 11:47:08 AM
jack did develop football in the region.

Center of excellence

U 17 world cup football stadiums

who else build anything football related in the caribbean.


He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.

You know building stadia doesn't equal football development, right?

Apperetly not
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: elan on December 31, 2011, 11:57:17 AM
jack did develop football in the region.

Center of excellence

U 17 world cup football stadiums

who else build anything football related in the caribbean.


He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.

If he making the money who will build the stadiums  ::)

The WC is ah pussonal business venture for JW
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Sam on December 31, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
jack did develop football in the region.

Center of excellence

U 17 world cup football stadiums

who else build anything football related in the caribbean.


He also build some stadium in outer islands but trinidad probably get the most benefits.

You have to be de king of asses on the SWO....

Jack invested in all of the above like a true business man and walked away a rich man, he and his entire family made millions on T&T and caribbean football.

That is not DEVELOPING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is investing.

To this day our teams have to PAY a lot of money to play in all those stadiums Jack build, even de pro leagues teams suffer because of this.

Those stadiums serve no purpose and de track around de field SUCKS....

If Jack had develop football in T&T,,,, today we would not have been guessing and begging foreign born players to play for us.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Football supporter on December 31, 2011, 03:49:42 PM
The stadiums were constructed in the wrong locations and are not football stadiums, but all purpose stadia. As far as I recall, it is alleged that Warner formed a company called CONCACAF and "won" the contracts to buil the stadia.

Centre of Excellence is still controlled by the Warner family. Even if you hire the stadium, the bar has to be run by "Joe Public". The surface needed replacing at least a year ago.
Title: British MP wants Blatter investigated
Post by: Socapro on January 03, 2012, 08:49:54 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/British_MP_wants_Blatter_investigated-136554248.html

British MP wants Blatter investigated
Story Created: Jan 2, 2012 at 11:54 PM ECT


LONDON

British Conservative MP Damian Collins said Sepp Blatter's conduct as president of FIFA should be independently investigated.
 
Collins made the statement following a stunning claim from former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner that he was awarded lucrative FIFA World Cup broadcast rights for as low as US$1 after assisting Blatter in elections to become president of the sport's world governing body.
 
"Is he serious about sorting the mess out, or is he only interested in protecting his own?" asked Collins, who sits on the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee of the British Parliament.
 
"These are serious allegations that must surely go to the very top of FIFA and need to be fully and independently investigated."
 
The statement by Warner, a former president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and CONCACAF, was the latest in a string of revelations about alleged wrongdoing by Blatter since he (Warner) was forced to walk away from the game in disgrace.
 
It comes in the wake of the cash-for-votes scandal that rocked the CFU, leading to several suspensions, fines and reprimands, and also led to the downfall of former Asian football chief Mohamed Bin Hammam, banned from all football activities pending appeal.
 
Warner alleged he was awarded the broadcast rights for the 1998 to 2014 World Cup tournaments at nominal rates after assisting Blatter in brutal elections for the top post in the game.
 
He also said that he refused to back Blatter for last year's election despite being offered the 2018 and 2022 World Cup rights for the Caribbean, again for a nominal fee.
 
"If true, how could deals, like these, be done without the knowledge of the most senior people in the organisation?" asked Collins of Warner's claims.
 
"This is a question that has to be answered by Sepp Blatter and it also demonstrates why there has to be a committee of investigation and inquiry which can act independently of the president and FIFA's Executive Committee."
 
Collins said: "In the last year, 11 of the 24 members of FIFA's ruling Executive Committee have faced allegations of corruption; no real progress towards reform has been made within FIFA and there has never been an independent investigation into all of the bribery allegations made against them.
 
"One man is ultimately responsible for thisSepp Blatter."

CMC
Title: FIFA gifts
Post by: Socapro on January 03, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/FIFA_gifts-136554238.html

FIFA gifts
...Warner 'given' $m World Cup rights
By Ian Prescott ian.prescott@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Jan 2, 2012 at 11:54 PM ECT

Should World Cup television rights have been given to Jack Warner for his personal use and enrichment or to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) for the development of the sport in the country?
 
Either way, former TTFF special adviser and FIFA vice-president Warner claims that world governing body FIFA and president Sepp Blatter gave million-dollar World Cup rights as a "gift" to the boys as reward for support in presidential elections.
 
There are allegations that Warner became a millionaire using money earned from the rights. Having gotten the rights almost free they would then be sold to media organisations for millions to guarantee exclusive coverage of the World Cup and other FIFA events.
 
On Thursday, Warner, Minister of Works in the People's Partnership Government, issued a release stating that FIFA, through Blatter, gave him the TV rights for Trinidad and Tobago as "gifts", the last time being for the 2018 World Cup, to be held in Russia.
 
But the rights have since been rescinded following Warner's well-documented fall out with the governing body.
 
One of its longest-serving executive members, Warner resigned from FIFA amidst a bribery scandal after he facilitated a meeting in Port of Spain last May at which 2011 FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam was alleged to have offered US$1m in bribes to Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials in exchange for votes in June's election.
 
One of the three most powerful men in football, Warner resigned all his posts and FIFA subsequently dropped an investigation into his part in the scandal on the condition that he stay away from football.
 
Several CFU officials were also suspended, fined and reprimanded, while Asian Football Association president Bin Hammam was banned for life.
 
In Thursday's release, Warner damaged FIFA's already tarnished image and, to some extent, his own credibility.
 
"In 2011, in exchange for my support (and, by extension, the support of the CFU and CONCACAF) in the FIFA presidential election, FIFA again offered me the sale of the World Cup rights for 2018 and 2022 as a 'gift' at a nominal fee.
 
"FIFA also agreed to pay for the re-grassing of the Marvin Lee Stadium at the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence (in Macoya) and as well as to grant two US$500,000 Goal Projects as a gift to the CONCACAF to do with as we wished," Warner said in the release.
 
"In 1998, FIFA, through Mexican company OTI, sold me the FIFA World Cup rights for Trinidad and Tobago for US$1. This was just after Blatter had won the FIFA presidency following a most brutal campaign against Lennart Johansson, a campaign in which Bin Hammam and I played critical roles in support of Mr Blatter," Warner added.
 
"The sale of those rights by me was used primarily to assist in the development of football in Trinidad and Tobago."
 
Warner controlled 30 votes as president of the Caribbean Football Union and several more as CONCACAF president and therefore was a major player in deciding FIFA elections.
 
At that time, when Warner paid TT$6 for this country's TV rights, he held the offices of CONCACAF president; president of the Caribbean Football Union; and a member of the Executive Committee of FIFA.
 
Warner would continue to get the rights for the next ten years (1998-2008) at next to nothing in exchange for his support. And had he not fallen from grace, Warner would have been guaranteed the World Cup rights until 2022.
 
"In 2002, Mr Blatter had another brutal campaign for the FIFA presidency, this time against Issa Hayatou, and, in this campaign, Bin Hammam and I again played extremely critical roles in his re-election, as well as in preventing several members of the then Executive Committee from instituting criminal charges against him.
 
"Having won the 2002 election for the FIFA presidency, president Blatter sold me, not the CFU, the World Cup TV rights for 2002 and 2006, no doubt in appreciation of the work I did (with Bin Hammam) for his re-election.
 
"The sale of these rights was used to develop Caribbean football, as manifested via its congresses and committee meetings," Warner said in his release.
 
"For the 2010 and 2014 World Cups, the World Cup TV rights were again sold to me personally, however, using the CFU as the vehicle. These rights were then sold by me and the proceeds were once again primarily used to fund football activities in the Caribbean, including but not limited to the hosting of congresses and committee meetings, the hosting of all Caribbean age-group competitions and general development activities."
 
Despite Warner's disclosure that the rights were used for development of football in T&T, the Caribbean and CONCACAF, it is ironic that the impoverished Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation still does not have a home of its own and is now almost bankrupt.
 
And the equally bankrupt Caribbean Football Union did not have enough funds to hold its own 2011 congress and election, which was set for last November in Montego Bay, Jamaica, but was postponed due to a lack of funds.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Big Magician on January 05, 2012, 07:56:18 AM
that dollar talk around for ages.... so dais a tsunami ???
Title: Fifa denies gifting TV rights to Jack Warner for supporting Sepp Blatter
Post by: Tallman on January 06, 2012, 10:56:37 AM
Fifa denies gifting TV rights to Jack Warner for supporting Sepp Blatter
guardian.co.uk


Fifa has insisted that the awarding of television rights to the former vice-president Jack Warner for as little as $1 had nothing to do with his support for Sepp Blatter.

Warner issued a statement last month saying he was a given the rights for seven World Cups for a minimum fee, and that "President Blatter sold me the World Cup TV rights for 2002 and 2006, no doubt in appreciation of the work I did (with Mohamed bin Hammam) for his re-election."

Fifa has insisted this is not the case, saying: "Such rights were ceded in order to provide an additional source of revenue for football development in the Caribbean Football Union. This had nothing to do with the 1998 or 2002 election campaigns, or with any other election campaign. To imply the contrary is completely false."

Fifa said all TV deals were approved by the marketing and TV board, the finance committee and the executive committee.

The world governing body said the "statement made by Jack A Warner includes several inaccuracies and falsehoods" and that "until 1998 TV rights were provided by the rights-holders for symbolic sums in many territories (for example in Africa), in order to maximise the worldwide television coverage".

However, the Conservative MP Damian Collins, who is campaigning for Fifa reform, said the world governing body had failed to address key issues.

"They have not provided satisfactory answers to these questions at all, especially as to why TV rights to World Cup finals have been handed out to senior members of Fifa's executive committee," said Collins. "There is also no answer as to whether there was any auditing of the income from these rights to ensure they were being used for developing football rather than personal profit.

"This all highlights the need for a clear register of Fifa members' financial interests and that is one area of reform they have not even considered."
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2012, 11:01:31 AM
FIFA damn lie!   If that was the case why Jack had the rights and NOT the CFU?
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Bakes on January 06, 2012, 11:08:08 AM
Fifa denies gifting TV rights to Jack Warner for supporting Sepp Blatter
guardian.co.uk


Fifa has insisted that the awarding of television rights to the former vice-president Jack Warner for as little as $1 had nothing to do with his support for Sepp Blatter.

Warner issued a statement last month saying he was a given the rights for seven World Cups for a minimum fee, and that "President Blatter sold me the World Cup TV rights for 2002 and 2006, no doubt in appreciation of the work I did (with Mohamed bin Hammam) for his re-election."

Fifa has insisted this is not the case, saying: "Such rights were ceded in order to provide an additional source of revenue for football development in the Caribbean Football Union. This had nothing to do with the 1998 or 2002 election campaigns, or with any other election campaign. To imply the contrary is completely false."

Fifa said all TV deals were approved by the marketing and TV board, the finance committee and the executive committee.

The world governing body said the "statement made by Jack A Warner includes several inaccuracies and falsehoods" and that "until 1998 TV rights were provided by the rights-holders for symbolic sums in many territories (for example in Africa), in order to maximise the worldwide television coverage".

However, the Conservative MP Damian Collins, who is campaigning for Fifa reform, said the world governing body had failed to address key issues.

"They have not provided satisfactory answers to these questions at all, especially as to why TV rights to World Cup finals have been handed out to senior members of Fifa's executive committee," said Collins. "There is also no answer as to whether there was any auditing of the income from these rights to ensure they were being used for developing football rather than personal profit.

"This all highlights the need for a clear register of Fifa members' financial interests and that is one area of reform they have not even considered."


... turning now to local news, authorities are investigating reports of a man biting a dog.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Storeboy on January 06, 2012, 12:15:37 PM
FIFA damn lie!   If that was the case why Jack had the rights and NOT the CFU?

You damn right!  Why to Warner and not to the CFU?.  If they give it to Warner, how can they be sure that the funds are then transmitted to the football organization?  All those backdoor deals are meant to hide and lauNder deals.  In one word:  CORRUPTION!

Warner has also now indicted himself and must answer:
1.  Why didn't he disclose that at the time?
2.  How much money was made from the deal?
3.  How were the profits disbursed?
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Football supporter on January 06, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
Problem is, with so much co mingling of job titles and bank accounts, it would have been simple for Warner to do this. But the question must be asked: Why wasn't there checks and balances in place from FIFA?

I believe Warner just used money from whichever account was convenient. How else could you explain how T&T footballers were paid with CFU cheques?

I'd also like to see the accounts for Marvin Lee and CoE to ensure all income was declared and passed on to CONCACAF.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Flex on January 10, 2012, 04:20:15 AM
Journalists want Warner investigated.
T&T Express Reports.


Three journalists that turned down invitations to be part of FIFA's new Independent Governance Committee have issued a list of matters the sport's World governing body should probe to uncover the alleged corruption in the organisation.

Jens Weinreich, a freelance sports correspondent from Germany, Andrew Jennings, a Scottish television presenter, and Jean Franois Tanda, a Swiss reporter, outlined a series of steps they say FIFA and Blatter should take to prove they are serious about fighting corruption.

They included investigating former FIFA vice-president Austin "Jack" Warner and former CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer.

"We suggest the following crucial areas of investigation followed by rapid publication. . .," said the three journalists in a media statement.

"Investigation is long overdue into how Chuck Blazer could simultaneously be both treasurer and general secretary of CONCACAF and the secret payment to him of US $10 million (in recent years as 'commissions'.

"Have his offshore assets come from FIFA funds including his vintage Mercedes car registered in Zurich in FIFA's name?"

They added: "Re-open the investigation into Jack Warner and extend it to embrace every payment of any kind since 1998 to Warner, members of his family, companies owned by him including Simpaul travel agency, the CFU, CONCACAF and the Joo Havelange Centre of Excellence."

The three journalists were invited to partner with Swiss anti-corruption professor Mark Pieth and another journalist on the new Independent Governance Committee.

In the statement, they rejected the offer and said it was "absurd" that FIFA president Sepp Blatter was controlling the new attempts at transparency.

"[The new committee] is created by Blatter to protect him and those close to him," said the three journalists in the statement. "His pretence of a 'road map to reform' is risible."
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Bakes on January 10, 2012, 06:51:52 AM
Three journalists "that"??  They're inanimate objects now? Although that might aptly describe the local "professionals.". At any rate, I understand why they would have reservations about participating while Blatter still in FIFA, but sometimes change comes quicker from within.
Title: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Flex on January 13, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
By  Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


... But Works Minister dodges court summons

Trinidad and Tobago Minister of Works and Transport Jack Warner, the former FIFA Vice President and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Special Advisor, has until February 10, 2012 to provide to the local High Court written accounts of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.

However, Justice Devindra Rampersad ruled this morning, via media conferencing at the Port of Spain High Court, that Warner would not be joined to the civil suit over unpaid bonuses, which pits 13 past and present football players against the TTFF and its former President Oliver Camps. Warner, a former history teacher, may consider the ruling to be a Pyrrhic victorya dangerously expensive triumph.

In an unusual move, Justice Rampersad ruled the TTFF would pay all legal costs despite the fact that attorneys for the "Soca Warriors" were unable to satisfy the court that "at this time... it is necessary to add Mr Warner" to the case.

Defence attorney Om Lalla declared the ruling as "novel" and argued that it ran contrary to "normal principle", despite Justice Rampersad's assertion that he was swayed by the "deplorable" conduct of the defendants. Justice Rampersad permitted Lalla leave to file counter-arguments.

The composition of either team told its own story.

Three of the four local-based claimants, Brent Sancho, Cyd Gray, Anthony Wolfe and Atiba Charles, turned up early and set quietly through the legal proceedings. Aurtis Whitley was the only willful absentee while Kenwyne Jones, Shaka Hislop, Stern John, Kelvin Jack, Avery John, Cornell Glen, Collin Samuel and Evans Wise all reside abroad. Dave De Peiza and Phillip Lamont represented the players aided by George Hislop, father of the World Cup goalkeeper.

On the other side, Warner was otherwise engaged, his lead attorney William McCormick was "unavoidably absent" QC, TTFF General Secretary Richard Groden was absent without leaveLalla suggested Groden might have been wandering through the High Court trying to find Room 19 but he never turned upand Camps sent a message that he was unwell. Lalla could not find an excuse for Camps' attorney, Anabelle Sooklal, who did not turn up either.

"I am not sure why (Sooklal) is not present," he offered.

"Don't you agree that is an affront to the court?" asked Rampersad, in relation to the absences.

Lalla agreed with a nod of the head and promised to "make all attempts" to have them there at the next court date.

There was also a matter of the missing $4.6 million (US$724,000) interim award that should have been paid on October 18, 2011 but, three months later, still had not reached the players. Lalla said he had not "seen the General Secretary".

Lalla was polite, soft-spoken and not prone to theatrics. Yet the complexities of the caseplus the absence of the flamboyant Warnermeant that he was the star attraction. Lalla represents the TTFF (the First Defendant) and Warner (the intended Third Defendant) and, for much of the matter, was also counsel for Camps (the Second Defendant). It is a role that arguably requires a straight face and a measured tongue.

Lalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.

Camps' affidavit, filed on August 24, 2011and the basis for the Warriors' unsuccessful attempt at joining Warner to the casestated that "I have no information or records for (LOC Germany) as this was (...) under the control of special advisor, Mr Jack Warner. The executive and I have made repeated requests for Mr Warner to provide accounts..." The TTFF, represented by Lalla, concurred that only Warner could testify the whereabouts of millions of football cash.

Lalla then arguably disputed the TTFF claim of "repeated (unanswered) requests" by virtue of his follow up affidavit on Warner's behalf, which declared that the former FIFA Vice President was "prepared to provide to the First Defendant the information and documentation relevant to the taking of the accounts".

Since the aggrieved players requested disclosure rather than payment from Warner, Justice Rampersad accepted that the Government MP had already promised to provide the relevant information and therefore ruled it was unnecessary to join him to the case. But the Judge was growing weary of Lalla's double act as well as his unwillingness to get tough and sue himselfthat is, to advise the First Defendant to take legal action against its former Special Advisor.

Justice Rampersad accused the TTFF of sleeping on its responsibility and blasted its "nonchalant and lackadaisical approach" and "contented failure to call for the accounts". He also expressed suspicion at Lalla's presence in the various defense camps as well as the TTFF's inability to substantiate its claims of repeated requests to Warner.

"It is remarkable and quite astounding that, to date, no steps have been taken by the first named defendant to obtain those accounts by compulsion," stated Justice Rampersad, "if, as the second named defendant has deposed, repeated requests have been denied...

"Even more remarkably, both Mr Warner and the first named defendant have retained the same attorneys-at-law to deal with this matter... To me, there is an obvious conflict of interest in circumstances where there exists an order of the court for the provision of accounts and the accounting party throws the blame for failing to fully comply with the order upon its agentboth of whom are represented by the same attorneysyet takes no assertive steps whatsoever to bring the defaulting party to account...

"Had independent attorneys been secured for the (TTFF), it is likely that a greater sense of urgency may have materialized..."

Justice Rampersad warned that he was mindful of invoking Section 26.1(1)(t) of the Civil Procedures Rules but stopped short of doing so because "for now, that does not arise". He also insisted that he was mindful of "fast approaching" statutory time limits that might make it impossible to initiate legal action against Warner.

Warner has four weeks to fulfill his promise to account for the missing World Cup money, which nearly six years later, remains an unspecified sum. Lalla was advised to ensure that Groden gets proper directions to the court room on February 14, 2012 while Justice Rampersad cautioned that he would take "whatever steps" if Camps and his attorney were absent again.

"I cannot allow that," said Justice Rampersad.

Lalla nodded in agreement and smiled.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: weary1969 on January 13, 2012, 08:42:08 AM
LUV IT
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Football supporter on January 13, 2012, 08:42:58 AM
Hmmm....St Valentines Day massacre.....or will it be a show of love from the judge?
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 13, 2012, 09:08:39 AM
rumpersad throwing gun talk about affront to the court while blatantly allowing these TTFF shitongs all the time in the world to scheme and wiggle themselves out of this. when february 10 roll around he better fish he 4kin backbone out the latrine and make some blasted descions
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Jack Horner on January 13, 2012, 09:17:44 AM
Guys, remember today.

Jack owns the T&T law.

Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.

This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.

Everyone have a price.

And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.

Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.

Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.

Anyone test Jack goes down.

Jack will raise again. !!!!
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: FF on January 13, 2012, 09:39:23 AM
Quote
Lalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.

Somebody have to write ah calypso bout this...

Quote
Justice Rampersad warned that he was mindful of invoking Section 26.1(1)(t) of the Civil Procedures Rules but stopped short of doing so because "for now, that does not arise". He also insisted that he was mindful of "fast approaching" statutory time limits that might make it impossible to initiate legal action against Warner.

AH HA... so dat is Jack game!

hang dem Rampersad!!

Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Cocorite on January 13, 2012, 10:17:53 AM
rumpersad throwing gun talk about affront to the court while blatantly allowing these TTFF shitongs all the time in the world to scheme and wiggle themselves out of this. when february 10 roll around he better fish he 4kin backbone out the latrine and make some blasted descions

This appears to be exactly what's happening :joker:
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: zuluwarrior on January 13, 2012, 10:33:34 AM
Judge please stop pussyfooting with these criminals put the hurt on them is about time .
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Deeks on January 13, 2012, 10:44:03 AM
Guys, remember today.

Jack owns the T&T law.

Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.

This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.

Everyone have a price.

And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.

Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.

Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.

Anyone test Jack goes down.

Jack will raise again. !!!!


And you are so proud of that!!!
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Observer on January 13, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
Guys, remember today.

Jack owns the T&T law.

Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.

This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.

Everyone have a price.

And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.

Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.

Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.

Anyone test Jack goes down.

Jack will raise again. !!!!


And you are so proud of that!!!

Obviously Deeks. Little Jack Horner sits in Jack's corner.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: elan on January 13, 2012, 11:10:00 AM
Ah wonder if ah could miss meh court date and meh lawyer say ah trying to find room 19  ???  or send and say ah sick.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ribbit on January 13, 2012, 11:15:24 AM
Lalla was polite, soft-spoken and not prone to theatrics.

but ent dis theatre?
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 13, 2012, 11:23:08 AM
Is Jack footing the legal bills for both himself and the TTFF? If so that is a brilliant move. That could possibly account for the serious resistance against pressuring him for the accounts.

Maybe the folks with legal understanding can answer this question...has the judge ordered Jack to produce accounts for the TTFF or the court by Feb 10, or has he ordered the TTFF to obtain documentation from Jack by Feb 10?
Title: Warner says FIFA "dishonest" over deals and can prove it
Post by: Tallman on January 13, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
Warner says FIFA "dishonest" over deals and can prove it
By Simon Evans (Reuters)


Ousted former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner said Friday he had documented evidence to back his claim that he was gifted World Cup television rights in return for FIFA votes and accused the organization of being "disingenuous and dishonest."

The Trinidadian, who had promised to unleash a "tsunami" against FIFA following his suspension from soccer's world governing body, said last month he was awarded the TV rights for seven World Cups at a minimal fee as a reward for securing votes for FIFA president Sepp Blatter in his election campaigns.

For the 1998 tournament, Warner said FIFA sold the rights to him, through a Mexican company, for just $1.

FIFA hit back last week saying Warner had been awarded TV rights for Trinidad since 1986 and that it was normal practice at the time for them to be provided for only a symbolic fee.

FIFA added that Warner's claims included "several inaccuracies and falsehoods" and that the television rights issue "had nothing to do with the 1998 or 2002 election campaigns, or with any other election campaign.

"To imply the contrary is completely false," it said in a statement.

Warner, who was CONCACAF president for 21 years, resigned from all his soccer positions in June last year after he was suspended by FIFA following allegations in a cash-for-votes scandal in the run-up to the presidential election.

FAVOURABLE DEALS

The former powerbroker in the Caribbean Friday stood by his claims and said FIFA had ignored his comments about other favorable deals.

"To choose to respond only to the allegation that FIFA sold to me the FIFA World Cup Rights for Trinidad and Tobago for one dollar ($1.00) USD in 1998 and refuse to even comment on the other accusations that the FIFA World Cup Rights for 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 were also sold to me at a nominal fee is nothing more than deception," he said in a statement Friday.

"All of these were given to me based on the critical roles I played in guaranteeing the FIFA Presidency to Sepp Blatter," Warner added.

"FIFA must be aware of the fact that I still have in my possession the contracts which were given to me, as well as personal notes which were handwritten and signed that will corroborate my accusations, and as such should be honest in its reporting to the international community."

Warner cited one handwritten note from FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke but the context of the note was not clear.

"The FIFA's decision, therefore, to selectively respond to the accusations I have made against it and its President is both disingenuous and dishonest," added Warner.

He said he had also been promised the rights to the 2018 and 2022 World Cups in return for his support for Blatter in the 2011 election but this was later revoked.

CUP RIGHTS

"FIFA... damns itself for withdrawing the said FIFA World Cup Rights for 2018 and 2022 after it was alleged that I refused to support the presidency of Mr Blatter.

"These actions can stand alone as demonstrative of the fact that there has been a relationship between the roles I played in the success of Blatter's presidential campaigns and the award of FIFA World Cup Rights to me.

"Thankfully, the proceeds of the sale of these rights were always used for regional development. It was never for personal enrichment," he said.

FIFA declined to comment immediately on Warner's latest statement when contacted by Reuters Friday.

Warner has been heavily critical of Blatter since resigning from CONCACAF after being accused of having organized a meeting where Mohammed Bin Hammam, the former Asian Football Confederation president from Qatar who was running against Blatter for the presidency, was alleged to have distributed $40,000 in brown envelopes to Caribbean soccer officials.

Bin Hammam, who like Warner has denied the allegations against him, was banned for life from all football-related activity.

(http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120113&t=2&i=558164276&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=BTRE80C1RT100)
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Dutty on January 13, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
whos de futuristic robocop chick wit jack...he concubine or ah bodyguard?
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 13, 2012, 08:42:51 PM
Thanks bakes!
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Football supporter on January 13, 2012, 09:53:10 PM
Is Jack footing the legal bills for both himself and the TTFF? If so that is a brilliant move. That could possibly account for the serious resistance against pressuring him for the accounts.

Maybe the folks with legal understanding can answer this question...has the judge ordered Jack to produce accounts for the TTFF or the court by Feb 10, or has he ordered the TTFF to obtain documentation from Jack by Feb 10?

First question: possibly
Second question: Judge has ordered that "the first defendant shall direct Austin Jack Warner in writing (copied to the claimants attorney-at-law) by 12th January 2012 to file an account of all monies received by him as the first named defendants agent in relation to all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure therefrom arising out of the World Cup 2006 ; such account to be verified by affidavit deposed to by Mr Warner exhibiting all relevant documentation and to be filed and served in these proceedings by 10th February 2012."

I understand this to mean that TTFF must write to Jack to ask where the money is and how much is there, and then provide documentation to validate the figures. Warner will then have to swear an affidavit to confirm its accuracy.

Of course, Jack can say whatever he wants, but if its proved that he lied or tried to be less than honest with the court, he would be at the mercy of the judge.   
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Football supporter on January 13, 2012, 09:58:20 PM
whos de futuristic robocop chick wit jack...he concubine or ah bodyguard?

Think that is Natasha something who was briefly mayor of Chaguanas?
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 13, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.

I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Bitter on January 14, 2012, 01:59:12 AM
Quote
Lalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.

Somebody have to write ah calypso bout this...

http://www.youtube.com/v/2RRBeim1PBw
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Brownsugar on January 14, 2012, 04:33:56 AM
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.

I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.

hhhhhhhmmmmm in an indirect way I guess...... :-\
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Brownsugar on January 14, 2012, 04:42:07 AM
whos de futuristic robocop chick wit jack...he concubine or ah bodyguard?

Think that is Natasha something who was briefly mayor of Chaguanas?

Nah, nah FS you wrong like an "O"!!!...... :)

As for this World Cups rights issue it seems as though Jackie boy is getting a taste of his own medicine.....and apparently he eh like how it tasting.....*tsk, tsk, tsk*........oh well say what  "Jack will raise again!!"   ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Football supporter on January 14, 2012, 08:23:14 AM
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.

I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.

Well, the quote was directly from the judgement. I don't think the judge can order Warner to do anything at this stage aside from submit an affidavit. TTFF is the defendant, so he can order them. I'm not clear of the situation if Warner refuses to answer.

The obvious end game is to keep delaying until the statute of limitations erodes. I think the judge is aware of this. He has clearly quoted precedents where an agent of a defendent could be added to a case and thereby fall under the direct power of the court.

IMO the judge in his judgement gave Warner some clear warnings. One concerned the repercussions of not supplying a full account of the funds and their whereabouts. Another concerned conflict of interest by the lawyers representing Warner/TTFF.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Bakes on January 14, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
OK FS, I am hearing some people say the order was levelled at Jack. Yourself and others are saying that the onus was placed on the TTFF to petition Jack and get an accurate accounting. Unless I'm confusing things these are two separate approaches that will have implications on the timeliness and outcome of the case.

I am inclined to believe that judge Rampersad's directive was aimed squarely at Jack. Or so I hope.

Well, the quote was directly from the judgement. I don't think the judge can order Warner to do anything at this stage aside from submit an affidavit. TTFF is the defendant, so he can order them. I'm not clear of the situation if Warner refuses to answer.

The obvious end game is to keep delaying until the statute of limitations erodes. I think the judge is aware of this. He has clearly quoted precedents where an agent of a defendent could be added to a case and thereby fall under the direct power of the court.

IMO the judge in his judgement gave Warner some clear warnings. One concerned the repercussions of not supplying a full account of the funds and their whereabouts. Another concerned conflict of interest by the lawyers representing Warner/TTFF.

The judge can order Warner to do whatever he (the judge) thinks is necessary to further the interest of justice, including to present himself to give testimony, or to produce documents.  This judge playing de ass... Warner should have been added to the matter long time since he clearly played a pivotal role and in a much greater capacity than just an 'agent' of the TTFF.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Preacher on January 14, 2012, 12:52:47 PM
Is Chinee Parang.  Nice try. 
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 14, 2012, 01:09:16 PM

 Judge has ordered that "the first defendant shall direct Austin Jack Warner in writing (copied to the claimants attorney-at-law) by 12th January 2012 to file an account of all monies received by him as the first named defendants agent in relation to all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure therefrom arising out of the World Cup 2006 ; such account to be verified by affidavit deposed to by Mr Warner exhibiting all relevant documentation and to be filed and served in these proceedings by 10th February 2012."

I understand this to mean that TTFF must write to Jack to ask where the money is and how much is there, and then provide documentation to validate the figures. Warner will then have to swear an affidavit to confirm its accuracy.

Of course, Jack can say whatever he wants, but if its proved that he lied or tried to be less than honest with the court, he would be at the mercy of the judge.   

They eh even self pay the money they were ordered to pay and the judge looking the other way. What about the money? Why has the judge not addressed this as yet? When last jack see the inside of a courtroom?

If there are zero penalties for COURT-ORDERED FAILURE TO PAY, what is this fella complaining for about 'deplorable' behaviour in his courtroom? He is letting TTFF run all over him, and by extension letting them wine on the players too. Its absolutely HIS fault for being a slacking judge.

Now he playing he giving TTFF an order to ASK Jack where the money is after how much years...jokiness! By the time court convenes on Feb 10 he will adjourn it to march. Then march will roll around and TTFF will say they send Jack the message. He won't be in court so Om Lalallay Lala will say  his client has not recieved it or has just recieved it and needs time to comply. Another adjournment. Then maybe by christmas Jack will say 'my name is not on any cheques, what is TTFF talking about?'

This judge can't even get Jack to appear in court, can't get TTFF to say why they have not paid far less to pay the damn money and men want to believe that there will actually be consequences if Camps don't write Jack a letter?

Call me cynical, but as someone else said, its time to stop pussyfooting around with these criminals. I want this fella Rampersad to prove me completely wrong but i don't think that is going to happen





Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 14, 2012, 01:30:08 PM
So in other words the headline of this thread is completely misleading. The judge never said to jack show me the money or direct any order to Jack. The headline should read Judge playing the fool: Gun talk to TTFF but avoiding Jack Warner.

When Enron was hauled before the courts you think the judge waited for almost a year before they asked ordered those responsible for accounting to walk with their documents? Why has this judge UP TIL NOW not ordered police to move in for not producing what he himself acknowledged was a complete SHAM. 

The biggest, baddest, ugliest Besson Street Police shoulda be all up in Dundonald Street right now breaking down doors, digging thru documents  and sharing blows with gun butt and baton. 
Title: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Flex on January 17, 2012, 05:45:02 AM
Warner dummies the press again.
...Ex-FIFA VP as slippery as ever.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Former FIFA Vice President and Trinidad and Tobago Works Minister, Jack Warner, had a potentially disastrous time of things last week. It was hard to tell from a cursory glance at the major newspapers, though.

On Thursday morning, High Court Judge Devindra Rampersad fumed at the fact that, five years after the 2006 World Cup, Warner has still not produced a credible accounting statement to show the whereabouts of over $180 million. The money, half of which was promised to the players, should have been banked at the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) but was diverted to the former administrator's private company instead.

A few snippets of Rampersad's judgment, which was carried exclusively by Wired868, eventually appeared buried in the Trinidad Express' sport pages on Saturday. In Friday's news section, though, Express credited Warner with his stated intention to pay for the funeral of two fishermen.

Warner, the article noted, did not inform the media of his visit to the families of the deceased on Thursday. And yet, within hours of his stopover, information of Warner's generosity had indeed reached the pressunlike news on the possible misappropriation of millions.

The international press was no less pliable.

Warner's repeated claims, on Friday, that FIFA President Sepp Blatter gave him with World Cup television rights for $1 in exchange for his political support again hit the news wires. The Trinidadian offered no proof to the media apart from his claim to have contracts and emails in his possession.

His assertion that the revenue from his resale of those television rights were pumped into the regional game went unchallenged although the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) was so cash-starved it could not afford to hold an Extraordinary General Meeting last November.

Warner is often dismissed as a joke in the international press; yet it is debatable as to who is laughing hardest.

There is a scene in the comedy-mystery movie, The Guard, when FBI agent Wendell Everett (played by actor Don Cheadle) looked across at the unorthodox Irish Sergeant Gerry Boyle (Brendan Gleason) with a mixture of disgust and incomprehension and exclaimed: "You are either the dumbest person I have ever met; or the smartest!"

Who knows what the epitaph on Warner's political tombstone would read one day.

For all his obvious flaws, it would be petty not to credit him with having an astute weather vane for public sentiment.

Last May, as FIFA tightened the noose over the CFU bribery scandal that led to the expulsion of former Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam, Warner claimed the charges were politically motivated. He displayed an email from FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke that accused Bin Hammam of trying to buy the FIFA Presidential election like "they (Qatar) bought the World Cup."

The British Guardian Newspaper described the email as "incendiary" and there was momentary choas. But the email was deemed insufficient to overturn Qatar's successful 2022 World Cup bid and certainly did nothing to prove Warner's innocence in the face of bribery charges supported by signed affidavits and photographic and video evidence.

Eight months later, Warner has still not produced a single document to support his tirades. Even his revelation regarding his ridiculously discounted bill for the Caribbean's World Cup television rights was a recycled story.

In 2002, FIFA General Secretary Michel Zen-Ruffinen listed Warner's $1 television deal among a 15-page dossier of questionable internal practices. Again, the international press failed to provide context to its reports.

Warner is racking up the headlines of lateeven by his own standards.

Justice Rampersad gave Warner a deadline of February 10 to provide an account of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.

Last November, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar ordered an audit of the PURE (Programme for Upgrading Roads Efficiency) Unit that falls under Warner's purview after allegations of irregularities. That audit was completed last week but not yet made public.

In the interim, Warner has appeared with impressive regularity at every flooded roadway or broken bridge in the country. And the local media, which is often disinclined to cover stories at any significant distance from Port of Spain, has followed him to far-flung areas like Toco and Icacos.

On every trip, Warner repeated his mantra that he is desperate to help the common man but is prevented from doing so by the Prime Minister's temporary closure of PURE.

His message to FIFA is not only a potshot at Blatter, then, but also a signal of strength to his critics inside the ruling People's Partnership coalition party. No local politician, not even the media-friendly Persad-Bissessar, comes close to Warner's proficiency in press relations.

Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantlyit must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

Warner, a former history teacher, has probably heard of him.

The "Book of Jack" is not yet written. And time will tell whether Warner is remembered as a living parody who marched unawares to his own funeral or a cunning politician who laughed in the face of disaster and survived to tell the tale.
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Jack Horner on January 17, 2012, 07:49:19 AM
Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.

Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.

Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: just cool on January 17, 2012, 08:06:49 AM
Brilliant article. i've said it before and i'll saying it again, before nov 2010 i always thought of warner as ah man who had ah handle on things as in very "cunning intelligent fella" who game is working to plan with pin point accuracy, but after that flunk out of the gold cup for ah 2nd consecutive time, i began to think, "maybe this guys is just luckier than stupid"!

to see jamiaca lift that cup for the 2nd time in ah row, with T&T not even ah distant second, made me to question my self as to this man's intelligence level (in trute). i asked my self, what would his ulterior motive be for losing to a team that had less talent than ours, and not only that, but losing out on a substantial amount of money for TV rights and appearance fees.

i thought jack came to his senses when we were dogged in the gold cup of 2007 when we failed to compete with the likes of el-salvador and guatemala who were relatively poor @ that point in time, and by turning ah new leaf when he lifted the black list and brought in francisco maturana, only to make some more dumb mistakes.

he then went on to insist on maturana after ah failed gold cup, which IMO was the right time to employ a stallwart coach to take us to the hex. he then brought in latapy as head coach, ah man who never even coached ah kindergarden outfit to take charge of the senior team, all in the name of saving ah buck, and still insisted in latas despite his obvious lack of know how, lead me to believe that this man couldn't even run ah corner deli with relative efficiency.

all the other little stumbles with simpaul and the ticket fiasco also made me consider how much of ah dummy this man was for chasing petty money when he had the potential to make some real cheese if he had walked ah straight line and put his shoulders to the wheel and kept his nose clean.

last but not least, i believe that the future for jack warner is ah 6x8 cell somewhere on the planet, and maybe not (since he's luckier than stupid). the man went and tried to bribe the 11 stooges with "petty methods" again! now for ah man who live and thrive in the professional business world, he surely didn't learn anything about being professional, this is something not even two bit drug dealers fall prey too. what ah forkin dunce!

which leads me to believe, the man is the luckiest stupid man i've ever seen.

Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: diamondtrim on January 17, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: elan on January 17, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.

Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.

Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!


Two ah alyuh bounce up on the maxi stand or wha.
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Bakes on January 17, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
I wouldn't say the article is poor or inept... just overwrought, as is his fashion.  Coulda do without the references to "The Guard" and Goebbels, they add nothing of substance and come across as Lasana knowledge dropping for the sake of.  But dai'z just me.

Aside from that:

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The international press was no less pliable.

Yes, in a very narrow, technical sense, pliable fits.  Much better would be "pliant".  Pliable relates to a physical quality whereas pliant is used in the more figurative sense.

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Justice Rampersad gave Warner a deadline of February 10 to provide an account of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.

If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented.  Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.

Yes I nitpicking admittedly, but that's the difference between good and mediocre writing, in my not so humble opinion.
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Trinitozbone on January 17, 2012, 12:33:38 PM
Lasana is one of the best investigative sports journalists and an admirable and upright young man! Oh how I wish we had more persons like him instead of those pot hounds that Jack invite at his end of year lime! To make them look even more stupid , he named dishes after them! They should be keeping a close eye and pen on what he is saying! First I heard that the auditor general gave PURE a clean bill of health! Next thing I hear that it is a pack of foolishness and none of the auditors spoke with him on it! Why no one writes about these discrepancies and allow him to blabberi his mouth?
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: MEP on January 17, 2012, 12:56:50 PM
Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.

Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.

Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!

Or maybe you need to learn how to comprehend
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 17, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented.  Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.

Yes Bakes, I been meaning to ask over in the next thread....what happens if Jack tell de TTFF "go and ask yuh mudda!!" and eh give dem nutten.....what de TTFF would do??  Turn Jack over on dey knee and give him two slap??   ??? ???

Ah find dat move by de judge kinda funny.........   :-\
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 17, 2012, 01:01:03 PM
Lasana is one of the best investigative sports journalists and an admirable and upright young man! Oh how I wish we had more persons like him instead of those pot hounds that Jack invite at his end of year lime! To make them look even more stupid , he named dishes after them! They should be keeping a close eye and pen on what he is saying! First I heard that the auditor general gave PURE a clean bill of health! Next thing I hear that it is a pack of foolishness and none of the auditors spoke with him on it! Why no one writes about these discrepancies and allow him to blabberi his mouth?

Cuz he does carry dem journalists on lime and cook food and name the dishes after dem...... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 17, 2012, 01:01:39 PM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

Aye, aye Diamondtrim.  Long time no see.....what's up??   ;D
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Football supporter on January 17, 2012, 01:17:39 PM
If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented.  Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.

Yes Bakes, I been meaning to ask over in the next thread....what happens if Jack tell de TTFF "go and ask yuh mudda!!" and eh give dem nutten.....what de TTFF would do??  Turn Jack over on dey knee and give him two slap??   ??? ???

Ah find dat move by de judge kinda funny.........   :-\

I think the point is that if Jack doesn't comply, he will be added as a defendant. The judge stated case law why that should not happen because of the defendents application, but then also stated how it can happen at the courts discretion. He also indicated that TTFF should have done this 5 years ago and intimated that he believed it hadn't been done because of a conflict of interest regarding the lawyers.

He also noted the timescale and the statute of limitations.

He has effectively ensured that should it be required, he could add Warner as a defendent and not allow Lalla and friends to defend all 3 parties.

I believe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves without leaving any loopholes. Once he acts, I believe it will be swiftly and without remorse.
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Bakes on January 17, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
I think the point is that if Jack doesn't comply, he will be added as a defendant. The judge stated case law why that should not happen because of the defendents application, but then also stated how it can happen at the courts discretion. He also indicated that TTFF should have done this 5 years ago and intimated that he believed it hadn't been done because of a conflict of interest regarding the lawyers.

He also noted the timescale and the statute of limitations.

He has effectively ensured that should it be required, he could add Warner as a defendent and not allow Lalla and friends to defend all 3 parties.

I believe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves without leaving any loopholes. Once he acts, I believe it will be swiftly and without remorse.

Listen fella, the judge playing smart with foolishness.  Everything you said there might well come to pass... who knows.  The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing... just as Brownsugar say, Jack could easily tell dem "go aks yuh mudda."  In which case they'll return to court and relay that to the learned judge... and only then at his discretion he'll add him?  I'm curious to know what his rationale for NOT adding him was because if he can indeed add him at his discretion then none of the precedents yuh claim he cited (for not adding him) is controlling. 

The position you claim he took is inherently contradictory... either the precedents prevent him from adding Jack as a defendant ('a', not 'e'), or it is within his discretion to add him.  Anything else just adds another unnecessary layer of delay.  How long has this case been before Rampersad?  How long did it take him to decide he needed a proper accounting in the first place?  And how long he asking for it?  Bottom line is that Jack don't even need to be added as a defendant.  If a party has information critical to the court, then the court can subpoena him (or the documents) as necessary, without that person becoming a party to the matter.  If I see you shoot somebody you think I need to be charged as an accessory in order for them to get me in court to testify as to what I saw?  Of course not, they'll just serve my ass with a subpoena and I have to appear under penalty of law.

This is what should have been done with Jack a year ago... come and tell us what you know (and bring yuh accounts with yuh) or face a contempt charge.  Easy breezy.  But nah... every couple months he have allyuh running up in court like is company he like.
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Preacher on January 17, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
FS I hear you but how much more rope the TTFF need?   The judge ain't have enough for a hanging yet?  Sadly I fear there will be no execution. 

edit:  Bakes type his response at the same time.  So it seems enough rope laying around.   
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: truetrini on January 17, 2012, 03:44:03 PM
I wouldn't say the article is poor or inept... just overwrought, as is his fashion.  Coulda do without the references to "The Guard" and Goebbels, they add nothing of substance and come across as Lasana knowledge dropping for the sake of.  But dai'z just me.

Aside from that:

Quote
The international press was no less pliable.

Yes, in a very narrow, technical sense, pliable fits.  Much better would be "pliant".  Pliable relates to a physical quality whereas pliant is used in the more figurative sense.

Quote
Justice Rampersad gave Warner a deadline of February 10 to provide an account of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.

If only that were true... he gave the TTFF a deadline, not Jack... underscoring the futility of the order, and calling into question just how much Rampersad really "fuming" that a proper accounting has yet to be presented.  Rampersad playing de ass... that is where the real story is.

Yes I nitpicking admittedly, but that's the difference between good and mediocre writing, in my not so humble opinion.

Bakes yuh killing meh here.  lol
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: diamondtrim on January 17, 2012, 05:23:36 PM


Aye, aye Diamondtrim.  Long time no see.....what's up??   ;D
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yuh miss mih???..... ;)
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Football supporter on January 17, 2012, 05:40:53 PM
I think the point is that if Jack doesn't comply, he will be added as a defendant. The judge stated case law why that should not happen because of the defendents application, but then also stated how it can happen at the courts discretion. He also indicated that TTFF should have done this 5 years ago and intimated that he believed it hadn't been done because of a conflict of interest regarding the lawyers.

He also noted the timescale and the statute of limitations.

He has effectively ensured that should it be required, he could add Warner as a defendent and not allow Lalla and friends to defend all 3 parties.

I believe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves without leaving any loopholes. Once he acts, I believe it will be swiftly and without remorse.

Listen fella, the judge playing smart with foolishness.  Everything you said there might well come to pass... who knows.  The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing... just as Brownsugar say, Jack could easily tell dem "go aks yuh mudda."  In which case they'll return to court and relay that to the learned judge... and only then at his discretion he'll add him?  I'm curious to know what his rationale for NOT adding him was because if he can indeed add him at his discretion then none of the precedents yuh claim he cited (for not adding him) is controlling. 

The position you claim he took is inherently contradictory... either the precedents prevent him from adding Jack as a defendant ('a', not 'e'), or it is within his discretion to add him.  Anything else just adds another unnecessary layer of delay.  How long has this case been before Rampersad?  How long did it take him to decide he needed a proper accounting in the first place?  And how long he asking for it?  Bottom line is that Jack don't even need to be added as a defendant.  If a party has information critical to the court, then the court can subpoena him (or the documents) as necessary, without that person becoming a party to the matter.  If I see you shoot somebody you think I need to be charged as an accessory in order for them to get me in court to testify as to what I saw?  Of course not, they'll just serve my ass with a subpoena and I have to appear under penalty of law. And you appear and say "I was looking the other way and saw nothing"

This is what should have been done with Jack a year ago... come and tell us what you know (and bring yuh accounts with yuh) or face a contempt charge.  Easy breezy.  But nah... every couple months he have allyuh running up in court like is company he like.

Well fella (this is nice to be friendly) I guess you're right. After all, if the judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk, right? Bakes, you really have to stop confusing the issue for the forumites. Say your piece by all means, but don't confuse facts.

The judges ruling said that because the claimants had requested Warner to be added as a defendant to provide an account and disclosure of documents, there is no need to add him as a defendant, as Warner swore in an affidavit that he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information.

So all TTFF have to do is ask. But they haven't provided proof that they have asked. So now they have been ordered to do so.

Warners lawyers stated that a party should not be added to a case purely for the purpose of discovery. The judge agreed with this. However, he also stated that "clearly this court may add a new party" and he gave the precedents.

The judges position is that Warners only bearing on the case in front of him at this time is one of discovery. Once Warner provides the correct accounts, the Judge can determine how much to award the players. It is not his concern that Warner has witheld funds from TTFF. That is their concern. Once the Judge can make his order for payment to TTFF, his job is done, unless TTFF do not comply. At that point he may take further action. However, should Warners evidence point to witholding of evidence, or collusion, then he may be added. 

Presumably the tactic is for Jack to say I had the money, but it was all spent on football development, the Judge to make an award against TTFF as they shouldn't have spent the players money, TTFF to declare bankruptcy and reform as FFTT and it all goes away.

The problem they all have, as far as I can see, is that if Warner declares the correct accounts, he also has to provide documentary evidence. If the judge is not satisfied, he could, as Bakes suggested, haul him into court to be questioned or added as a third defendant. Same if Warners accounts aren't satisfactory in the judges opinion.

Whatever the outcome, it appears that they will finally achieve one of two aims...either find out where the money went or see Jack Warner in court.

I'm not a legal guy like you Bakes, but if the judge just added Warner to save time, I'm sure Warners legal team would challenge and cite case law leaving the option of a ruling to be overturned on appeal. But if he follows a prescribed process that leaves no option but to add Warner to allow justice to be done, that appeal will be much harder to overturn, not so?

The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing
This statement is totally incorrect from a legal standpoint and the judge actually refers to this and it is at this point the judge refers to collusion and conflict of interest. TTFF could have sued Warner 5 years ago to produce full audited accounts and return of their funds. They just didn't do it (for obvious reasons)

 
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 17, 2012, 06:17:54 PM


Aye, aye Diamondtrim.  Long time no see.....what's up??   ;D

yuh miss mih???..... ;)
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Of course....... ;D
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: jai john on January 17, 2012, 07:25:52 PM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

...guess  you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantlyit must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: diamondtrim on January 17, 2012, 08:18:27 PM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

...guess  you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly—it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !

Perhaps I may have erred in being tacit, as I saw not the need to delve into a redundant explanation of my post. This thought seemed accurate enough as posts that followed appeared to grasp what I was getting at.

If, by virtue of my apothegm, I 'overlooked' the 'brilliance' of Liburd's article, I neither offer apologies for my apparent oversight nor do I excuse your ignorance of the article's banality.

Again, Liburd offers nothing new. Just a regurgitation of repeated news sprinkled with the odd quotation. His eagerness to deride JW is inescapable in his writings....a flaw that the honest amongst us can easily afford entrance to their minds.

Unless you are only impressed by the quote attributed to Goebbels, your defence of Liburds article is poor at best and serves nothing more than as an annoyance to my facile temperament.
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: elan on January 17, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

...guess  you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly—it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !

Perhaps I may have erred in being tacit, as I saw not the need to delve into a redundant explanation of my post. This thought seemed accurate enough as posts that followed appeared to grasp what I was getting at.

If, by virtue of my apothegm, I 'overlooked' the 'brilliance' of Liburd's article, I neither offer apologies for my apparent oversight nor do I excuse your ignorance of the article's banality.

Again, Liburd offers nothing new. Just a regurgitation of repeated news sprinkled with the odd quotation. His eagerness to deride JW is inescapable in his writings....a flaw that the honest amongst us can easily afford entrance to their minds.

Unless you are only impressed by the quote attributed to Goebbels, your defence of Liburds article is poor at best and serves nothing more than as an annoyance to my facile temperament.

You ever stop to think that the news seems repeated because of your involvement on this board and that one of these article may serve to educate, inform or update people not familiar with the ins and outs of the matter?
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 17, 2012, 10:56:17 PM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

Lasana need to learn how to write, he is narrow minded and sounds like a broken record.

Talk all you can Lasana because thats all you can do, but you or no one can bring down T&T's God Father.

Blatter wil fall and Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!


Two ah alyuh bounce up on the maxi stand or wha.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: truetrini on January 17, 2012, 11:00:02 PM
Again Lasana shows his ineptitude as both journalist and writer.....is there anything new here? Or is he best at penning poor commentaries...........

...guess  you may have overlooked this ....Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany, once remarked that: "the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantlyit must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." ...else you would have seen the brillance in yet another well written article.
...nah you could not have missed so obvious a statement followed by reinforcement .....you too good for dat !

Perhaps I may have erred in being tacit, as I saw not the need to delve into a redundant explanation of my post. This thought seemed accurate enough as posts that followed appeared to grasp what I was getting at.

If, by virtue of my apothegm, I 'overlooked' the 'brilliance' of Liburd's article, I neither offer apologies for my apparent oversight nor do I excuse your ignorance of the article's banality.

Again, Liburd offers nothing new. Just a regurgitation of repeated news sprinkled with the odd quotation. His eagerness to deride JW is inescapable in his writings....a flaw that the honest amongst us can easily afford entrance to their minds.

Unless you are only impressed by the quote attributed to Goebbels, your defence of Liburds article is poor at best and serves nothing more than as an annoyance to my facile temperament.

What total assness.   "erred in being tacit?"    I really wish you would forever more be tacit on this board.

There is an old Hebrew apophthegm: "Learn to say I do not know."   Maybe you can learn from the Hebrews???

Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: diamondtrim on January 18, 2012, 05:16:58 AM

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You ever stop to think that the news seems repeated because of your involvement on this board and that one of these article may serve to educate, inform or update people not familiar with the ins and outs of the matter?
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Those domiciled under boulders, or burdened by the sheer weight of ignorance would, at worst, be partially aware of JW and his capers. If my assumption that the vast majority of members and guests on this forum possess more than a vague comprehension or knowledge of the happenings is wrong, then I humbly apologise.

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What total assness.   "erred in being tacit?"    I really wish you would forever more be tacit on this board.

There is an old Hebrew apophthegm: "Learn to say I do not know."   Maybe you can learn from the Hebrews???
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There is also an old Jewish saying - 'Do not look for more honor than your learning merits'.
Learn from it.....you clearly lack the ability to convert my posts into substances that can fertilize your barren mind
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: truetrini on January 18, 2012, 06:48:18 AM
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What total assness.   "erred in being tacit?"    I really wish you would forever more be tacit on this board.

There is an old Hebrew apophthegm: "Learn to say I do not know."   Maybe you can learn from the Hebrews???


There is also an old Jewish saying - 'Do not look for more honor than your learning merits'.
Learn from it.....you clearly lack the ability to convert my posts into substances that can fertilize your barren mind[/quote]

DIamondtrim, what you say is true, I refuse to use your flawed logic, your preconditioning to stick your head far up Jack's asshole  and especially becasue they use  :bs: as fertilizer.  You just leave my mind the way it is with your "fertilizer."
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Sam on January 18, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
When I see Jack Warner woking on a truck like this, ah go be real happy...

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Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Bakes on January 18, 2012, 09:40:09 AM
And you appear and say "I was looking the other way and saw nothing"

Don't be an idiot.  Follow the analogy before you respond in some ridiculous way.  We all know that Jack knows what's going on.  We all know he has intimate knowledge as to how the money was spent.  I said in my hypothetical "If I SEE you...", there is no guess as to what you know.  If you want to appear in court and lie that's you.  If Jack want's to appear in court and lie and say he knows nothing about the money then let him.  To my larger point, at least you have him giving evidence in court, on the stand, where he can either tell the truth or perjure himself.  This is far better than the current circumstance where he and the court are engaged in this two-step from opposite sides of the room, pretending to not notice each other.  I never said anything about what evidence he would or wouldn't give... I said he should have been brought into court and made to give the evidence.

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Well fella (this is nice to be friendly) I guess you're right. After all, if the judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk, right? Bakes, you really have to stop confusing the issue for the forumites. Say your piece by all means, but don't confuse facts.

Can you please point out for us where I am "confusing the issue for forumites"?  While you're at it, point out where I said that if the Judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk."  Please learn to read, preferably for comprehension, before you accuse me of confusing anything for anyone.

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The judges ruling said that because the claimants had requested Warner to be added as a defendant to provide an account and disclosure of documents, there is no need to add him as a defendant, as Warner swore in an affidavit that he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information.

So, just because Jack signed an affidavit saying he was prepared to provide the information that means he shouldn't be joined to the suit?  Is this the brilliant legal strategy being employed by the players lawyers... or is this your compromised understanding of the process?  If you had any sense at all, or understood my beef with what Rampersad is doing, you'd see that this validates my point.  Since when does a judge sit idly by and wait for evidence from someone who "promises" to provide evidence... as opposed to sending a subpoena for him to come to court?  You want to pretend like you know what I'm talking about when it's clear that it has flown clear over your head.


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So all TTFF have to do is ask. But they haven't provided proof that they have asked. So now they have been ordered to do so.

Warners lawyers stated that a party should not be added to a case purely for the purpose of discovery. The judge agreed with this. However, he also stated that "clearly this court may add a new party" and he gave the precedents.

The judges position is that Warners only bearing on the case in front of him at this time is one of discovery. Once Warner provides the correct accounts, the Judge can determine how much to award the players. It is not his concern that Warner has witheld funds from TTFF. That is their concern. Once the Judge can make his order for payment to TTFF, his job is done, unless TTFF do not comply. At that point he may take further action. However, should Warners evidence point to witholding of evidence, or collusion, then he may be added.
 

And clearly the players attorneys are happy with this ruling.  This is no different from the Ish and Steve rulings... using technicalities to stall, delay and give the advantage to those who least need it.  First of all, Warner should have been sued by the players directly, not indirectly thru the TTFF.  Just as they sued Camps... who made no promise to them.  Secondly, even if Warner's sole purpose is discovery, in light of the frequent delays cause to the plaintiffs by the actions of the defendants, with whom Warner has an agency relationship, the plaintiffs should have petitioned the judge to have Warner subpoenaed.  I stated as much 6 months ago.  Had he been subpoenaed he would have been in court by now.  Instead we have yet another delay, more time given to the TTFF... not even to Warner himself, to get the information, and commence another game of ring around the rosie.  Yet you accuse me of "confusing things"?  GTFOHWTBS


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I'm not a legal guy like you Bakes, but if the judge just added Warner to save time, I'm sure Warners legal team would challenge and cite case law leaving the option of a ruling to be overturned on appeal. But if he follows a prescribed process that leaves no option but to add Warner to allow justice to be done, that appeal will be much harder to overturn, not so?

Again... pay attention to what was stated.  IF it is INDEED within the judge's discretion to add Warner as a defendant then does that NOT imply that adding him would be proper?  That being the case, what's with the "prescribed process" nonsense?  There is already a prescribed process... the judge can add him at his discretion.  That in of itself presents no ground for appeal.

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The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing
This statement is totally incorrect from a legal standpoint and the judge actually refers to this and it is at this point the judge refers to collusion and conflict of interest. TTFF could have sued Warner 5 years ago to produce full audited accounts and return of their funds. They just didn't do it (for obvious reasons)

 

I'm sorry... and exactly what is your legal expertise?  Remind me again, since I clearly missed it the first time.  If you don't understand something that is said then ask a question like anyone else before you presume to tell me that what I'm saying is wrong (or "misinforming" for that matter) when clearly I know a great deal more about what I'm saying than you do.  I haven't been wrong about a single thing where this case is concerned, beginning with when I predicted (long before your arrival on this forum) that the players would prevail for breach of contract when others saying they had nothing because it wasn't in writing.

Under this current order to the TTFF the TTFF cannot... CANNOT, force Jack to produce anything.  Of course they can sue him separate from this current action.  No one is talking about any such collateral matters... at least have a sense of understanding as to what my statement pertains before you presume, with your limited understanding, to tell me that I'm wrong.  I have no problem being proven wrong... but at least understand what yuh talking about.  The current order is to the TTFF to have Jack produce the information.  How is the TTFF supposed to force Jack to disclose this information if he tells them to make a turn and... you know the rest.  How?  Since you clearly know better than I do, what legal mechanism is available to the TTFF to have them force Jack to comply?  What penalty/disincentive is there to him should he not cooperate?
Title: Re: Warner dummies the press again.
Post by: Football supporter on January 18, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
And you appear and say "I was looking the other way and saw nothing"

Don't be an idiot.  Follow the analogy before you respond in some ridiculous way.  We all know that Jack knows what's going on.  We all know he has intimate knowledge as to how the money was spent.  I said in my hypothetical "If I SEE you...", there is no guess as to what you know.  If you want to appear in court and lie that's you.  If Jack want's to appear in court and lie and say he knows nothing about the money then let him.  To my larger point, at least you have him giving evidence in court, on the stand, where he can either tell the truth or perjure himself.  This is far better than the current circumstance where he and the court are engaged in this two-step from opposite sides of the room, pretending to not notice each other.  I never said anything about what evidence he would or wouldn't give... I said he should have been brought into court and made to give the evidence.

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Well fella (this is nice to be friendly) I guess you're right. After all, if the judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk, right? Bakes, you really have to stop confusing the issue for the forumites. Say your piece by all means, but don't confuse facts.

Can you please point out for us where I am "confusing the issue for forumites"?  While you're at it, point out where I said that if the Judge tells Jack "yuh gotta talk" he'll just talk."  Please learn to read, preferably for comprehension, before you accuse me of confusing anything for anyone.

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The judges ruling said that because the claimants had requested Warner to be added as a defendant to provide an account and disclosure of documents, there is no need to add him as a defendant, as Warner swore in an affidavit that he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information.

So, just because Jack signed an affidavit saying he was prepared to provide the information that means he shouldn't be joined to the suit?  Is this the brilliant legal strategy being employed by the players lawyers... or is this your compromised understanding of the process?  If you had any sense at all, or understood my beef with what Rampersad is doing, you'd see that this validates my point.  Since when does a judge sit idly by and wait for evidence from someone who "promises" to provide evidence... as opposed to sending a subpoena for him to come to court?  You want to pretend like you know what I'm talking about when it's clear that it has flown clear over your head.


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So all TTFF have to do is ask. But they haven't provided proof that they have asked. So now they have been ordered to do so.

Warners lawyers stated that a party should not be added to a case purely for the purpose of discovery. The judge agreed with this. However, he also stated that "clearly this court may add a new party" and he gave the precedents.

The judges position is that Warners only bearing on the case in front of him at this time is one of discovery. Once Warner provides the correct accounts, the Judge can determine how much to award the players. It is not his concern that Warner has witheld funds from TTFF. That is their concern. Once the Judge can make his order for payment to TTFF, his job is done, unless TTFF do not comply. At that point he may take further action. However, should Warners evidence point to witholding of evidence, or collusion, then he may be added.
 

And clearly the players attorneys are happy with this ruling.  This is no different from the Ish and Steve rulings... using technicalities to stall, delay and give the advantage to those who least need it.  First of all, Warner should have been sued by the players directly, not indirectly thru the TTFF.  Just as they sued Camps... who made no promise to them.  Secondly, even if Warner's sole purpose is discovery, in light of the frequent delays cause to the plaintiffs by the actions of the defendants, with whom Warner has an agency relationship, the plaintiffs should have petitioned the judge to have Warner subpoenaed.  I stated as much 6 months ago.  Had he been subpoenaed he would have been in court by now.  Instead we have yet another delay, more time given to the TTFF... not even to Warner himself, to get the information, and commence another game of ring around the rosie.  Yet you accuse me of "confusing things"?  GTFOHWTBS


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I'm not a legal guy like you Bakes, but if the judge just added Warner to save time, I'm sure Warners legal team would challenge and cite case law leaving the option of a ruling to be overturned on appeal. But if he follows a prescribed process that leaves no option but to add Warner to allow justice to be done, that appeal will be much harder to overturn, not so?

Again... pay attention to what was stated.  IF it is INDEED within the judge's discretion to add Warner as a defendant then does that NOT imply that adding him would be proper?  That being the case, what's with the "prescribed process" nonsense?  There is already a prescribed process... the judge can add him at his discretion.  That in of itself presents no ground for appeal.

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The fact of the matter is that the TTFF can't force Jack to produce nothing
This statement is totally incorrect from a legal standpoint and the judge actually refers to this and it is at this point the judge refers to collusion and conflict of interest. TTFF could have sued Warner 5 years ago to produce full audited accounts and return of their funds. They just didn't do it (for obvious reasons)

 

I'm sorry... and exactly what is your legal expertise?  Remind me again, since I clearly missed it the first time.  If you don't understand something that is said then ask a question like anyone else before you presume to tell me that what I'm saying is wrong (or "misinforming" for that matter) when clearly I know a great deal more about what I'm saying than you do.  I haven't been wrong about a single thing where this case is concerned, beginning with when I predicted (long before your arrival on this forum) that the players would prevail for breach of contract when others saying they had nothing because it wasn't in writing.

Under this current order to the TTFF the TTFF cannot... CANNOT, force Jack to produce anything.  Of course they can sue him separate from this current action.  No one is talking about any such collateral matters... at least have a sense of understanding as to what my statement pertains before you presume, with your limited understanding, to tell me that I'm wrong.  I have no problem being proven wrong... but at least understand what yuh talking about.  The current order is to the TTFF to have Jack produce the information.  How is the TTFF supposed to force Jack to disclose this information if he tells them to make a turn and... you know the rest.  How?  Since you clearly know better than I do, what legal mechanism is available to the TTFF to have them force Jack to comply?  What penalty/disincentive is there to him should he not cooperate?

 :yawning: Whatever.
Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Flex on January 28, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
When Blatter gave Warner $20m World Cup TV rights
By Andrew Jennings


This is the letter FIFA doesnt want you to read. Written by general secretary Jrme Valke (left), it reveals that Blatter bypassed FIFAs committees to hand Warner a $20 million gift. [More (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/When_Blatter_gave_Warner_secret_TV_rights/when_blatter_gave_warner_secret_tv_rights.html)]

Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 08, 2012, 02:25:39 PM
They are back in court on Friday. Another delay should confirm that this judge is a joke at best. I have never heard of a baliffs confisticating assests by the truckload WHILE a trial is still taking place.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: truetrini on February 08, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Guys, remember today.

Jack owns the T&T law.

Anand Ramlogan, Justice Rampersad or who ever it could be, Jack will walk free, he always does.

This is a big game and who can play it the best wins.

Everyone have a price.

And one cannot expect a bunch of broke men to stop a trillionaire, they may get some chicken feed, but that's about it.

Look at what happened to every single of those 16 Warriors after the case, they all went down !!!! even Jones is struggling now and still may have a chance, but the rest went down. Hislop got a break because he is a Opportunist. But the rest of them want hand outs.

Lieburd is another struggling jornalist who was muzzle for a while, now he is back at it again.

Anyone test Jack goes down.

Jack will raise again. !!!!


And you are so proud of that!!!

Obviously Deeks. Little Jack Horner sits in Jack's corner.

More like Little Jack Horner sitting on Jack's Boner!
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: Brownsugar on February 08, 2012, 03:21:22 PM
They are back in court on Friday. Another delay should confirm that this judge is a joke at best. I have never heard of a baliffs confisticating assests by the truckload WHILE a trial is still taking place.

Zando, the court ordered an interim payment be made by a certain date and that did not happen.  The only option left was to levy on the assets of the TTFF......the players didn't have to wait till the trial is over. 
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 08, 2012, 04:07:19 PM
They are back in court on Friday. Another delay should confirm that this judge is a joke at best. I have never heard of a baliffs confisticating assests by the truckload WHILE a trial is still taking place.

Zando, the court ordered an interim payment be made by a certain date and that did not happen.  The only option left was to levy on the assets of the TTFF......the players didn't have to wait till the trial is over. 

OK sugars, cool. Just noting the contrast between the actionable judgements made so far and the glaring reluctance in adding jack as a defendant. As long as he chop the lizard head and not just the tail!
Title: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 07:14:30 AM
www.i955fm.com (http://www.i955fm.com)

Not sure what he is there to talk about politics, court house matters, FIFA.....doh know....
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 07:30:34 AM
Hear nah, Jack does boil mih blood with he BS...... :frustrated: :frustrated: :cursing: :cursing: :bs: :bs: :bs: :pissedoff: :pissedoff: :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Bourbon on February 10, 2012, 07:44:00 AM
Wha I miss? Right now dey talking UNC matters.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Football supporter on February 10, 2012, 07:49:23 AM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Bourbon on February 10, 2012, 07:56:10 AM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: president on February 10, 2012, 07:58:36 AM
..."Poor TTFF", you say? These men sat there - for years, not just in 2006 - and allowed all kinds of business to be conducted behind their collective back, never asked a question and didn't care to, and now it's "poor TTFF"? There was no collective decision-making but there is certainly collective responsibility...
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Football supporter on February 10, 2012, 07:59:38 AM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?

Warner says the accounts are accurate...thats all there is. So obviously the PNM govt were lying?
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Football supporter on February 10, 2012, 08:02:39 AM
..."Poor TTFF", you say? These men sat there - for years, not just in 2006 - and allowed all kinds of business to be conducted behind their collective back, never asked a question and didn't care to, and now it's "poor TTFF"? There was no collective decision-making but there is certainly collective responsibility...

President, you obviously didn't listen to Warner. Its not TTFF or Warners fault. They have been more than generous. Its these greedy players who have blown all of their money who are dragging football through the mud. They didn't win a game or score a goal, yet they making T&T's young footballers suffer.

What I don't understand is that if they didn't win a game or score a goal, why was Jack so euphoric (his word) and ran to the players and offered 30%? Hmm
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Bourbon on February 10, 2012, 08:03:42 AM
STEUPS.


"To qualify for a world cup...it takes 20 years of blood sweat and tears....we would never see trinidad and tobago qualify in our collective livetimes"


" I would like to know where they got this figure of 180 million from...and I would be very glad to pay the difference. They pulled that figure out of a hat."



Damn snake. Sympathy? Steups.


Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?

Warner says the accounts are accurate...thats all there is. So obviously the PNM govt were lying?

He say gary hunt say dey get 110 million. So wha bout the money they get for qualifying from FIFA? Especially as FIFA pays travel and hotel accomodations? What about the Adidas money? Money from Carib? Money from TTEC? Money from real different sources....and I supposed to believe that?


Nah man.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: vb on February 10, 2012, 08:17:00 AM
STEUPS.


"To qualify for a world cup...it takes 20 years of blood sweat and tears....we would never see trinidad and tobago qualify in our collective livetimes"


" I would like to know where they got this figure of 180 million from...and I would be very glad to pay the difference. They pulled that figure out of a hat."



Damn snake. Sympathy? Steups.


Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Dat still eh answer the question of WHY THE MONEY EH SHOWING UP IN THE ACCOUNTS?

Warner says the accounts are accurate...thats all there is. So obviously the PNM govt were lying?

He say gary hunt say dey get 110 million. So wha bout the money they get for qualifying from FIFA? Especially as FIFA pays travel and hotel accomodations? What about the Adidas money? Money from Carib? Money from TTEC? Money from real different sources....and I supposed to believe that?


Nah man.

I don't know if FIFA paid their tickets and hotel but the Govt. would've have picked up the slack.
Also the TTFF grossed a little over 3 millions US dllrs for the three games they played.

I don't know if the TTFF got any marketing revenue as Warner's son seemed to be handling that.

That may have simply gone directly to the Warner family.
However, if the TTFF had their affairs in order we wouldn't be asking these questions.
Decades of ineptitude and unaccountability - IT DAMN GOOD FOR DEM.

VB
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: lefty on February 10, 2012, 08:22:55 AM


He say gary hunt say dey get 110 million. So wha bout the money they get for qualifying from FIFA? Especially as FIFA pays travel and hotel accomodations? What about the Adidas money? Money from Carib? Money from TTEC? Money from real different sources....and I supposed to believe that?

it gone by dem same f'ers dat tryin hell hard to throw him out d party all now.................I feel if dat happen it will break him cause dias all he have left an dey not givin him any room to teef

Nah man.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Bourbon on February 10, 2012, 08:24:30 AM
So...Warner son handle the marketing revenue...and the TTFF eh get a percentage self?


And all those cheques those companies were handing over....who were they handing it over to? TTFF? Warner? De money couldnt just dissapear...where is it?
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: vb on February 10, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
So...Warner son handle the marketing revenue...and the TTFF eh get a percentage self?


And all those cheques those companies were handing over....who were they handing it over to? TTFF? Warner? De money couldnt just dissapear...where is it?


You know if you had asked that question last year, I woulda say the Warner family take a bit and obviously would've given some to the TTFF for the running of football.

But if the admin is so damn dumb that not only did Warner get ALL the Govt. rev and marketing rev. that they have no invoices or reasoning to explain it, it is the type of idiocy that surprises even me. And to top it off, they think they should remain in office and continue to "administrate" our football.  ::)

VB
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Wha I miss? Right now dey talking UNC matters.

He say he waiting on de players to give him a final figure......ha ha ha!!  oh laaaaawwwddddieeee..... :rotfl: :rotfl: he waiting on dem!!   :rotfl: :rotfl:

He say all de money dey get dey eh spend none on football development!!  Its the players' fault we football eh go nowhere for 100 years!! 

He say the $7 million they got is he borrow the money and the TTFF approached him to pay the $4 million as well but he say he eh have no more money to pay them!!! 

He say they wicked to go after Oliver Camps.....poor old Ollie at 82 years what he do to deserve that??!!  Ha ha ha.....he wasn't too old to suck on Jackula's balls but he too old to lose he house??!!  Steups!!

Let me stop here yes cuz the more ah type is the more ah remember how Jack does boil mih blood.  Ah know ah shouldn't have listen to the old tief!!!.... :pissedoff: :pissedoff: :cursing:
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 08:39:07 AM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Now tell me if is not a firetrucking mad man we dealing with.  He make a deal worth millions based on euphoria??!!  What a firetrucking dunce!!!  Didn't expect it to come back to bite he tiefing arse!!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: spideybuff on February 10, 2012, 08:50:56 AM
You eh hear Kelvin Jack on Andre Baptiste last night saying that the day of the England game he met Jack in the lobby and ask Jack about the  spreadsheet. Jack, still in euphoria after the Sweden game I guess, tell him "Have no fear, I wil show you the spreadsheet and not only are you getting 50% but 60% of everything". Kelvin Jack say the man watch him in his eye and lie to him to his face and now years later trying to deny everything.

Euphoria my ass...

On a slightly different note, a hearing a rumour that the Syrians so powerful not just locally but internationally, that is George Nicholas train his sights on Jack and had enough weight to call the shot on him at the FIFA level, in addition to the UNC level and to protect the judge with this court case. I doh know if strings that large internationally but the timing does coincide with everything falling apart to Jack soon after that confrontation over CAL.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: truetrini on February 10, 2012, 08:59:45 AM
VB, FIFA did pay, also there was the matter of Jack saying that AFTER taxes the figure was greatly reduced, BUT...They doh collect taxes in Switzerland on that money..another Jack lie!
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: truetrini on February 10, 2012, 09:01:09 AM
BY the way what de f**k Jack f=doing on radio?  Ent he supposed to be handing court info today?  I guess de radio station close to de court house.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 09:28:48 AM
You eh hear Kelvin Jack on Andre Baptiste last night saying that the day of the England game he met Jack in the lobby and ask Jack about the  spreadsheet. Jack, still in euphoria after the Sweden game I guess, tell him "Have no fear, I wil show you the spreadsheet and not only are you getting 50% but 60% of everything". Kelvin Jack say the man watch him in his eye and lie to him to his face and now years later trying to deny everything.

Euphoria my ass...

On a slightly different note, a hearing a rumour that the Syrians so powerful not just locally but internationally, that is George Nicholas train his sights on Jack and had enough weight to call the shot on him at the FIFA level, in addition to the UNC level and to protect the judge with this court case. I doh know if strings that large internationally but the timing does coincide with everything falling apart to Jack soon after that confrontation over CAL.

Nah man Spidey.....dais Hollywood type thing you talking bout there.   :o :o

As for the court case, Jack's not denying it.  His new angle is to claim that the TTFF never gave him authority to promise anything on their behalf.....in Jack's crazy mixed up head that means, "I did tell them they would get the bonuses but I was just talking out mih arse as usual knowing full well I couldn't legally bind the TTFF to any contract!!!"

The man is a firetrucking mad man!!

But Spidey, yuh heard the part about Dwight.  Kelvin and Brent said last night that back in 2006 they took a printer into the hotel room to print out the contract and get Jack to sign right then and there but Dwight meet them and tell them doh bother with that, Jack is a good fella he would keep his word.....well we see how that turned out..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
After hearing Jack this morning I am starting a movement for the renaming of the St. Ann's Hospital to the Austin Jack Warner Hospital for the mentally ill. He will be there to welcome persons in the Forensic wing. The wing for the criminally insane.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Daft Trini on February 10, 2012, 10:13:42 AM
All this  :cursing: from de same man who say he had to take the lion's share of 1989 because "Aye eye eye eye eye, mo mo mo mo mo mortgaged my house! loud steups!
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2012, 10:23:12 AM
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.

Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Daft Trini on February 10, 2012, 10:26:41 AM
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.



And chag people does treat he like god....
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2012, 10:28:31 AM
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.



And chag people does treat he like god....

How could I4get
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on February 10, 2012, 10:46:03 AM
He was very entertaining.........funny how he tried to paint the players as irresponsible crackheads who squandered everything they received (homes and money) and now looking to get more to pipe away..........cant even take consolation in him admitting to the 30%
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Observer on February 10, 2012, 01:50:19 PM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Sorry I disagree! Jack made every decision at the TTFF, that is the truth of the matter. Camps never made a decision in his life. the TTFF office could not even send a fax without Jack's approval.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 10, 2012, 01:58:24 PM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Sorry I disagree! Jack made every decision at the TTFF, that is the truth of the matter. Camps never made a decision in his life. the TTFF office could not even send a fax without Jack's approval.

FS is encapsulating Jack's lame defensive strategy into a nutshell. Sarcastically
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Dutty on February 10, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Now tell me if is not a firetrucking mad man we dealing with.  He make a deal worth millions based on euphoria??!!  What a firetrucking dunce!!!  Didn't expect it to come back to bite he tiefing arse!!!

I could beleive dat...adrenalin was high, johnny walker blue passin, bottle and spoon beatin
He musse promise to make anil ah minister on da same trip




Cialis will raise Jack again!
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 10, 2012, 02:23:06 PM
Poor TTFF shouldn't be blamed. Jack made deal with players out of euphoria. He had no authority to make deal and he paid the first interim payment himself by getting a loan. But now line has been drawn in the sand!

Now tell me if is not a firetrucking mad man we dealing with.  He make a deal worth millions based on euphoria??!!  What a firetrucking dunce!!!  Didn't expect it to come back to bite he tiefing arse!!!

I could beleive dat...adrenalin was high, johnny walker blue passin, bottle and spoon beatin
He musse promise to make anil ah minister on da same trip


 :rotfl: at least he kept that promise
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: MEP on February 10, 2012, 04:01:51 PM
lawd this too funny .... he wasn't authorized by the TTFF ????? What did teacher Percy say again??????
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
I 4got 2 mention that Brownsugar called in and he said the figure the players are quoting was pulled from the sky. He was totally dismissive of us just like his partner Anil when she also confronted him with the facts.



And chag people does treat he like god....

Oh yeah, I forgot that part.  His response to some question Tony and Dale asked was "I challenge you to go in Chaguanas West and say that"...... :rotfl: :rotfl:  Who give a shyte about what Chag West ppl thinks.  In fact, if I was getting a handout from mih MP's salary cuz he only keeping $1.00 for himself, I might have worshiped him too!!!.....

Oh gaaarrrddd ooooyyyyeeee!!! Hear nah when I get over mih anger at this man, he real entertaining yuh know......
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Flex on February 10, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today. 
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today. 

Yep so lets c what happen tryin 2 get d legal mind in d family wit NO SUCCESS.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 10, 2012, 05:49:10 PM
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today. 

Yep so lets c what happen tryin 2 get d legal mind in d family wit NO SUCCESS.

So the final day to submit was today, but the next court appearence was scheduled for Feb 14th?
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today. 

Yep so lets c what happen tryin 2 get d legal mind in d family wit NO SUCCESS.

So the final day to submit was today, but the next court appearence was scheduled for Feb 14th?

Apperently
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 10, 2012, 06:03:51 PM
Awwrite. Yuh going back to the credit union on the 14th weary  ;D?
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2012, 06:07:52 PM
Awwrite. Yuh going back to the credit union on the 14th weary  ;D?

 :rotfl: D CU not on d same street wit d high court. So I will have 2 go on google map and c what I can visit.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 06:45:44 PM
Jack and TTFF defied the court, he did not serve his accounts and affidavit by close of business today. 

ooooohhh ggggguuuuudddd......well, next week will be another week of balls.....of a different kind.....whose balls are bigger....Jack's or the Judge??......hhhhhhmmmmm......interesting times are ahead..... :drool: :drool: :duel: :challenge: :challenge: :duel: :drool: :drool:

Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Brownsugar on February 10, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Awwrite. Yuh going back to the credit union on the 14th weary  ;D?

 :rotfl: D CU not on d same street wit d high court. So I will have 2 go on google map and c what I can visit.

Aye, aye.....yuh cyar go without me.......I need to find a pharmacy near by.....I might still have a cold by then....*cough, cough*  damn this cold persistent boy..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: D.H.W on February 10, 2012, 10:35:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kTsoAwkwEUs

http://www.youtube.com/v/H-ynCTMIpBI
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: kev on February 11, 2012, 02:30:28 AM
Similar soundbites to FIFA when people think they are untouchable and arrogant because of it.  Sounds as if he's out of pocket aswell. 

From the outside and the way its went so far, it looks like it might just all get swept under the carpet, I really hope thats not the case.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Big Magician on February 11, 2012, 07:40:35 AM
evil...jack wont see god face also
Title: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: Flex on February 11, 2012, 08:51:28 AM
FIFA withholds Warners pension
Global body monitoring TTFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).

 
FIFA revealed yesterday that it is withholding the pension of its former Vice President and Trinidad and Tobago Works Minister Jack Warner.

Warner resigned from FIFA last June in the wake of bribery allegations that saw fellow Vice President Mohamed Bin Hammam banned for life.

However, the former TTFF special advisor was still due a pension that might have earned him as much as $230,000 (US$36,238) per year until he turns 96-years-old.

The FIFA Media Office confirmed that this is not being paid.

We can confirm that at present Jack Warner is not receiving a FIFA pension, the FIFA Media Office told Wired868.com. Please kindly understand that we are not able to provide you with further details on this matter at this stage.

FIFA also revealed that it is monitoring the chaotic scenes in Trinidad and Tobago's football but is not yet ready to act.

On Wednesday, a court-appointed marshall seized all removable assets from the head office of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) on the instructions of 13 members of the 2006 World Cup squad.

The raid followed the TTFF's failure to make a second interim payment of $4.6 million (US$724,000) that was due to the "Soca Warriors" since October 2011. The Warriors already received a payment of $7.2 million (US$1,140,384) earlier last year after a ruling by High Court Judge Devindra Rampersad in February 2011.

The Warriors, the TTFF and its former President Oliver Camps return to court on 14 February 2012.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/90-fifa-withholds-warner-pension)
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: weary1969 on February 11, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
FIFA finally doin some good. Pls re route money to the players.
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: weary1969 on February 11, 2012, 09:24:02 AM
evil...jack wont see god face also

Nah he will have 2 bow 2 d KING OF KINGS b4 he is banish to b part of d welcome party in HELL.
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: Cocorite on February 11, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
Good job Liburd, continue to expose this demon.
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: Daft Trini on February 11, 2012, 10:23:38 AM
His pension should go into a fund that allocates payment for his indiscretions. Warner earned his pension, let him taste how it feels to have it taken away from him  :beermug:
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: weary1969 on February 11, 2012, 10:32:33 AM
Good job Liburd, continue to expose this demon.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: ANC2 on February 11, 2012, 07:28:07 PM
Like Football Supporter is Jack Warner spin doctor or what? Only somebody living in a cave for the last 30 years would believe, dat kaka hole talk.  :puking:
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: Football supporter on February 11, 2012, 07:51:01 PM
Like Football Supporter is Jack Warner spin doctor or what? Only somebody living in a cave for the last 30 years would believe, dat kaka hole talk.  :puking:

Hmmmm.....I know sarcasm is a tricky skill to learn. I suggest you watch Monty Python or Fawlty Towers....John Cleese is the master. ???
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: dreamer on February 12, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Lasana is a true warrior. He excused himself from the constraints of muzzled media and is a free man speaking truth to power. Congrats to him and nuff respect for his bravery all along the way
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: Big Magician on February 12, 2012, 08:21:12 PM
evil
Title: Re: FIFA withholds Warners pension.
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 12, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
motter con ,Jack have know powwers over this one and ah sure he would not comment , pension and God face he should never see, yuh stinking motter con thief.
Title: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: Tallman on February 13, 2012, 05:28:35 AM
Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)


Works Minister and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner will allegedly test the patience and temperament of High Court Judge Devindra Rampersad by claiming ignorance of all Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) financial matters in the Germany 2006 World Cup bonus dispute between 13 past and present national players, the TTFF and its former President Oliver Camps.

Warner disregarded a 10 February 2012 deadline by Justice Rampersad to file and serve written accounts of all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure arising from the World Cup. His accounting statement should have been the key item for debate when the three parties meet tomorrow in a Port of Spain court room.

However, a TTFF insider informed Wired868.com that Warner delivered a letter to its office on the evening of 9 February 2012, which suggested that the Chaguanas West MP had no knowledge of the requested accounting data.

His letter, according to the source, claimed that he handed over all relevant information to the local football body when he resigned last June.

Warner's stance is said to be unnerving the TTFF. The football body had all its removable assets seized on 8 February 2012 after failing to make an interim award of $4.6 million (US$724,000).

Warner was still TTFF special advisor when the "Soca Warriors" received their only payment to datean interim payment of $7,040,000 (US$1.1 million). The money was paid to the players last May; just days after Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam visited Trinidad to garner support for his FIFA Presidential election bid.

The 13 World Cup players are Kenwyne Jones, Shaka Hislop, Stern John, Brent Sancho, Kelvin Jack, Collin Samuel, Avery John, Aurtis Whitley, Cyd Gray, Cornell Glen, David Atiba Charles, Evans Wise and Anthony Wolfe.

A month later, FIFA expelled Bin Hammam for bribing Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at the controversial meeting in Port of Spain and Warner quit all football posts on 20 June 2011 while FIFA was investigating his role in the bribery scandal.

Warner's new denial regarding the bonus dispute, if confirmed, contradicts previous affidavits from himself and ex-TTFF President Oliver Camps. He also runs the risk of vexing Justice Rampersad, who declined the option of joining Warner to the case after accepting his word that he would deliver the vital documents.

On 24 August 2011, two months after Warner quit all football posts, Camps told the High Court that the TTFF was still in the dark about all financial matters that involved its special advisor, which included over $173 million in funding from the public and private sector.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/93-warner-blames-ttff-for-missing-accounts)
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: Cocorite on February 13, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
Keep up the pressure. Keep on reporting.
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 11:52:46 AM
Keep up the pressure. Keep on reporting.

He should at least endeavor to be more factual in his reporting... Warner didn't ignore any deadline because no deadline was given to him.
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: fitzinho on February 13, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
Keep up the pressure. Keep on reporting.

He should at least endeavor to be more factual in his reporting... Warner didn't ignore any deadline because no deadline was given to him.
Ive seen worse errors made.
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: dreamer on February 13, 2012, 05:08:52 PM
Excellent stuff by Lasana. We are very fortunate to have a multitalented writer with investigative journalism skills who has such integrity, independence, class and commitment to the issues and who has decided he eh taking no brown envelope to keep quiet, who won't be muzzled like others in T&T and is willing to be blacklisted and lose income as he was when persecuted by Jackula. Congrats to him that he was able follow his conscience. Few of us could have had the courage to have have done that. Just ask Coop's.
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: Deeks on February 13, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
missprint!!
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: D.H.W on February 13, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/xY60o0eT1Lw&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: Bakes on February 13, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
Ive seen worse errors made.

Whether you've seen worse misses the point... inaccuracies are not only distracting, they can be counter productive.  This is the second straight article where Lasana has claimed that an order was issued to Jack and he ignored/defied it.  This is not at all the case.  Next thing Jack comes out in the press and says that's a lie, and that it's part of a campaign of lies by the players etc.
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: fitzinho on February 14, 2012, 08:09:58 AM
Ive seen worse errors made.

Whether you've seen worse misses the point... inaccuracies are not only distracting, they can be counter productive.  This is the second straight article where Lasana has claimed that an order was issued to Jack and he ignored/defied it.  This is not at all the case.  Next thing Jack comes out in the press and says that's a lie, and that it's part of a campaign of lies by the players etc.
...
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: ribbit on February 14, 2012, 08:40:45 AM
Excellent stuff by Lasana. We are very fortunate to have a multitalented writer with investigative journalism skills who has such integrity, independence, class and commitment to the issues and who has decided he eh taking no brown envelope to keep quiet, who won't be muzzled like others in T&T and is willing to be blacklisted and lose income as he was when persecuted by Jackula. Congrats to him that he was able follow his conscience. Few of us could have had the courage to have have done that. Just ask Coop's.

dreamer, yuh real easy to read. writer cyah get de facts straight yet is level praise from you.  :rotfl:
Title: Get Jack!
Post by: tempo on February 14, 2012, 09:17:03 AM
http://wired868.com/868/index.php/good-mornin-neighbour/180-get-jack
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: just cool on February 14, 2012, 09:42:26 AM
Sancho better watch he self, bc right now the runnings in T&T as we speak is pure under world and mafia business, if he know what good for him he would watch his back real hard, bc i eh putting nothing beyond jack and watson, IMO opinion, dem men cable of any thing, especially when money and power is @ stake.
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: FF on February 14, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
half hour?

I ent no law expert... but it seem like de sh!t about to hit de fan

Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 14, 2012, 10:15:11 AM
So the claim that Jack was never issued an ultimatum seems to be borne out here. The TTFF has 1/2hr to get something going, but no directive was issued to Warner. And Lasana talking about get Jack! Steups
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: tempo on February 14, 2012, 10:28:37 AM
http://wired868.com/868/index.php/good-mornin-neighbour/181-extra-time-for-ttff
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: Trini _2026 on February 14, 2012, 10:39:59 AM
Extra time for TTFF
By Lasana Liburd (wired868.com)


Justice Devindra Rampersad has allowed a second half hour break rather than a postponement at the Port of Spain High Court this morning as attorneys for the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), its former President Oliver Camps and Works Minister and ex-TTFF Special Advisor Jack Warner were ordered to pick their respective paths of action.
The TTFF and Camps showed up with new attorneys at the High Court today while Om Lalla, Warner's lawyer, was absent.
However, Justice Rampersad insists on making headway today and has refused a postponement.
Deryck Ali, attorney for the TTFF, was permitted a half hour break earlier today to speak to General Secretary Richard Groden for the purpose of formulating a plan of action against Warner.
Groden had told the court that Warner claimed he already submitted all relevant accounts but the TTFF was not satisfied he had done so.
Neither Groden nor Ali could decide on the next course of action in relation to Warner and were given time to deliberate.
If anything, they emerged more obstinate after the break.
Ali said his client would take no action against Warner.
Justice Rampersad was not impressed and suggested his client was bordering on contempt.
The court was told that Lalla was on his way and should be at the High Court by 11 am.
Ali said he would like to speak with Lalla before deciding the TTFF's next step.
Justice Rampersad suggested that Lalla's position was irrelevant as he was not attorney for the football body.
However, he agreed to allow the court a second break.
Alvin Ramroop, attorney for Camps, was allowed to leave after explaining that he was not yet "seasoned" of the relevant information for the case. He promised to be abreast of matters within two weeks.
Ali did not get off so easily.
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: Dutty on February 14, 2012, 10:44:16 AM
well yes, camps lawyer gorne home to get shadow benny and pepper
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: FF on February 14, 2012, 10:44:55 AM
well yes, camps lawyer gorne home to get shadow benny and pepper

oh jesus christ  :rotfl:

but seriously Rampersad... add Jack to the case!! Add him!
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: King Deese on February 14, 2012, 11:57:29 AM
So let me see if I got this right. Scamps hires a lawyer and his attitude towards the lawyer is "Don't ask me any questions and I won't tell you any lies" and the lawyer's attitude towards Scamps is "okay". Then the lawyer comes to court to represent Scamps not knowing anything about the case? Are you kidding me. You should be shot with shit. And omlaylay, not knowing that he is due in court on the 14th and should be there on time to represent his client? Really? You are that bright that you could see everybody else is that stupid? Omlaylay and his client clearly orchestrated this failed attempt at an postponement and they should be shot with shit after and before being charged with contempt of court.
Title: Re: Get Jack!
Post by: Coop's on February 14, 2012, 01:10:22 PM
Come on Tempo,Lasana give us the scores nah man,like ah lot of people missing in court today.We got reports they were given half hour to report back to the Judge etc etc that was about two hrs ago,any updates on the final decision,keep up the good work. 
Title: Re: Warner blames TTFF for missing accounts
Post by: Big Magician on February 14, 2012, 07:06:28 PM
good talk dey JC
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: dreamer on February 15, 2012, 06:50:49 PM
Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
By  Lasana Liburd (Wired868).


... But Works Minister dodges court summons

Trinidad and Tobago Minister of Works and Transport Jack Warner, the former FIFA Vice President and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) Special Advisor, has until February 10, 2012 to provide to the local High Court written accounts of "all income, donations, gifts, grants or benefits whatsoever and all expenditure" arising from the Germany 2006 World Cup.

However, Justice Devindra Rampersad ruled this morning, via media conferencing at the Port of Spain High Court, that Warner would not be joined to the civil suit over unpaid bonuses, which pits 13 past and present football players against the TTFF and its former President Oliver Camps. Warner, a former history teacher, may consider the ruling to be a Pyrrhic victory—a dangerously expensive triumph.

In an unusual move, Justice Rampersad ruled the TTFF would pay all legal costs despite the fact that attorneys for the "Soca Warriors" were unable to satisfy the court that "at this time... it is necessary to add Mr Warner" to the case.

Defence attorney Om Lalla declared the ruling as "novel" and argued that it ran contrary to "normal principle", despite Justice Rampersad's assertion that he was swayed by the "deplorable" conduct of the defendants. Justice Rampersad permitted Lalla leave to file counter-arguments.

The composition of either team told its own story.

Three of the four local-based claimants, Brent Sancho, Cyd Gray, Anthony Wolfe and Atiba Charles, turned up early and set quietly through the legal proceedings. Aurtis Whitley was the only willful absentee while Kenwyne Jones, Shaka Hislop, Stern John, Kelvin Jack, Avery John, Cornell Glen, Collin Samuel and Evans Wise all reside abroad. Dave De Peiza and Phillip Lamont represented the players aided by George Hislop, father of the World Cup goalkeeper.

On the other side, Warner was otherwise engaged, his lead attorney William McCormick was "unavoidably absent" QC, TTFF General Secretary Richard Groden was absent without leave—Lalla suggested Groden might have been wandering through the High Court trying to find Room 19 but he never turned up—and Camps sent a message that he was unwell. Lalla could not find an excuse for Camps' attorney, Anabelle Sooklal, who did not turn up either.

"I am not sure why (Sooklal) is not present," he offered.

"Don't you agree that is an affront to the court?" asked Rampersad, in relation to the absences.

Lalla agreed with a nod of the head and promised to "make all attempts" to have them there at the next court date.

There was also a matter of the missing $4.6 million (US$724,000) interim award that should have been paid on October 18, 2011 but, three months later, still had not reached the players. Lalla said he had not "seen the General Secretary".

Lalla was polite, soft-spoken and not prone to theatrics. Yet the complexities of the case—plus the absence of the flamboyant Warner—meant that he was the star attraction. Lalla represents the TTFF (the First Defendant) and Warner (the intended Third Defendant) and, for much of the matter, was also counsel for Camps (the Second Defendant). It is a role that arguably requires a straight face and a measured tongue.

Lalla put forward that the First and Second Defendants are ignorant of the whereabouts of over $180 million (US$23 million) in World Cup related revenue because it was banked in ports unknown by its representative and the intended Third Defendant who repeatedly denied requests to account for the funds. He then, as counsel for the intended Third Defendant, said there was no need for panic as the First and Second Defendants had only to ask for the accounts to be produced and he would happily do so.

Camps' affidavit, filed on August 24, 2011—and the basis for the Warriors' unsuccessful attempt at joining Warner to the case—stated that "I have no information or records for (LOC Germany) as this was (...) under the control of special advisor, Mr Jack Warner. The executive and I have made repeated requests for Mr Warner to provide accounts..." The TTFF, represented by Lalla, concurred that only Warner could testify the whereabouts of millions of football cash.

Lalla then arguably disputed the TTFF claim of "repeated (unanswered) requests" by virtue of his follow up affidavit on Warner's behalf, which declared that the former FIFA Vice President was "prepared to provide to the First Defendant the information and documentation relevant to the taking of the accounts".

Since the aggrieved players requested disclosure rather than payment from Warner, Justice Rampersad accepted that the Government MP had already promised to provide the relevant information and therefore ruled it was unnecessary to join him to the case. But the Judge was growing weary of Lalla's double act as well as his unwillingness to get tough and sue himself—that is, to advise the First Defendant to take legal action against its former Special Advisor.

Justice Rampersad accused the TTFF of sleeping on its responsibility and blasted its "nonchalant and lackadaisical approach" and "contented failure to call for the accounts". He also expressed suspicion at Lalla's presence in the various defense camps as well as the TTFF's inability to substantiate its claims of repeated requests to Warner.

"It is remarkable and quite astounding that, to date, no steps have been taken by the first named defendant to obtain those accounts by compulsion," stated Justice Rampersad, "if, as the second named defendant has deposed, repeated requests have been denied...

"Even more remarkably, both Mr Warner and the first named defendant have retained the same attorneys-at-law to deal with this matter... To me, there is an obvious conflict of interest in circumstances where there exists an order of the court for the provision of accounts and the accounting party throws the blame for failing to fully comply with the order upon its agent—both of whom are represented by the same attorneys—yet takes no assertive steps whatsoever to bring the defaulting party to account...

"Had independent attorneys been secured for the (TTFF), it is likely that a greater sense of urgency may have materialized..."

Justice Rampersad warned that he was mindful of invoking Section 26.1(1)(t) of the Civil Procedures Rules but stopped short of doing so because "for now, that does not arise". He also insisted that he was mindful of "fast approaching" statutory time limits that might make it impossible to initiate legal action against Warner.

Warner has four weeks to fulfill his promise to account for the missing World Cup money, which nearly six years later, remains an unspecified sum. Lalla was advised to ensure that Groden gets proper directions to the court room on February 14, 2012 while Justice Rampersad cautioned that he would take "whatever steps" if Camps and his attorney were absent again.

"I cannot allow that," said Justice Rampersad.

Lalla nodded in agree
ment and smiled.

Stay tuned to the blogs people.
Not much to learn from the so-called "mainstream media" in T&T.
Title: Re: Judge orders Warner: Show me the money!
Post by: weary1969 on February 15, 2012, 06:52:34 PM
This inaccurate titled thread again.
Title: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: tempo on February 18, 2012, 09:47:08 AM
Can anyone think of anything positive this government has done?

PM, UNC refuse to probe Warner.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and United National Congress Deputy Chairman and Health Minister Dr Fuad Khan have refused to probe the behaviour of Works Minister and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner despite complaints from: ravaged regional neighbour, Haiti, the High Court, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), FIFA and 13 World Cup 2006 players and Chaconia Gold award recipients.

Warner is Chairman of the United National Congress (UNC), which is the dominant party in the ruling coalition government. On Friday, the TTFF was ordered by the High Court to send Warner a pre-action protocol letter after his repeated refusal to produce 2006 World Cup accounting documents.

In the past week, he was: described by Justice Devindra Rampersad as a "renegade agent", accused by the TTFF of monopolising its most lucrative account and refusing to provide bank statements, called an enemy of football by past and present national football icons and denounced by the Federation of Haitian Football (FHF) and FIFA for allegedly misappropriating emergency aid funds in the wake of a devastating earthquake that rocked Port-au-Prince on 12 January 2010.

Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar and the UNC are yet to comment on the development.

Persad-Bissessar, when questioned by Wired868.com on allegations over Warner's handling of the aid money, said that there was no need for action by the head of the government.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/100-pm-unc-refuse-to-probe-warner)

Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Sam on February 18, 2012, 10:40:35 AM
This is disgusting.

I really hated Patrick Manning now he is not even close to Kamla when it comes to being one of the worst PM from Trinidad and Tobago EVER !!!!!!!!!

I even prefer George Chambers and Basdeo Panday.

Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Anil Roberts, Anand Ramlogan, Nizam Mohammed, Dwayne Gibbs, Jack Warner and Fuad Khan are the worst !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate these people.....

Corruption infested crooks !!!!!!!!!

Them time go come !!!!!!!!!!!!

Kamla get Jack money, so she will not say anthing or else she ass in jail too.

Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Cocorite on February 18, 2012, 11:23:37 AM
Keep the pressure on Liburd.
It must feel strange when you're the only (or one of very few) journalist (s)  doing proper investigative reporting and willing to ask the hard questions. I only hope you don't get sacrificed by these evil people.

Talk is cheap. Only people with genuine backbone and heart are willing to stand by their word.

Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Sando on February 18, 2012, 11:50:54 AM
Sword them Lasana !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Peong on February 18, 2012, 11:55:27 AM
Unless he did something while in office, I don't expect Kamla to investigate anything.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: diamondtrim on February 18, 2012, 12:46:59 PM
Lasana is an investigative journalist?

steups.......
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: D.H.W on February 18, 2012, 01:13:35 PM
Lasana is an investigative journalist?

steups.......

like he do you something already?  ???
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Observer on February 18, 2012, 01:15:28 PM
Lasana is an investigative journalist?

steups.......

More so than any other T&T Journalist presently, most of which are easily bought.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: PATRIOT on February 18, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
Let's see if THIS one gets printed:-

[THE EDITOR]
 
Dear Sir,
 
I am writing to you this personal note regarding what I consider to be a serious omission on your part and that is the failure of you and your media organization to ask the necessary hard questions of Jack Warner regarding this behavior while an official of FIFA and especially his stewardship of LOC 2006 Ltd.
 
Over the years many reputable foreign journalists have asked these questions of Mr. Warner and got very unsatisfactory answers. Only Lasana Liburd, among local journalists has asked seriously probing questions of Mr. Warner and received either insults or ridiculous rants in return. While Mr. Warner spent 28 years at FIFA he amassed a personal fortune that, one reputable local senior council told me, is in the region of five hundred million Unites States dollars. Of course, the bulk of this money has come from being awarded the regional rights to football World Cup and other FIFA sanctioned world football tournaments.
 
Now, as you would know, an administrative official of a sporting organization has absolutely no right to pocket millions of dollars from TV rights to World Cup. You think the head of the English FA is awarded the English TV rights to the World Cup. Absolutely not. The rights have to be sold to a legitimate television station with the proceeds going to the regional football federation to develop youth and other football programmes for the region. Yet when Mr. Warner is exposed for personally receiving many millions of dollars from World Cup TV rights, not only do you not question him on the matter but you refuse to print my letters asking him the necessary questions on the matter.
 
Now, let us get to LOC 2006 Ltd. I am told by those in the know that the total amount of money received by this company would be close to 160 million TT dollars. There were 3 signatories to the account- Jack Warner, Darryl Warner and Daryan Warner. Now half of the revenue of that company was promised by Mr. Warner himself to the 2006 Soca Warriors and then afterwards instead of 80 million Mr. Warner offers them $400,000 dollars instead. If we ever get to the truth about what happened to the LOC 2006 fund, I am certain that a minimum of 60 million dollarshas ended up in the wrong place.
 
Let me now tell you what is really happening here. The late, great, Jeffrey Stollmeyer, was the President of the WIBC for 7 years, among his other contributions, and if you dared to suggest in a meeting that he should pocket TV rights to a cricket series the meeting would have ended right there. In addition, the icy glare you would have received from him also let you know you are no longer welcome to call him ever again.
 
Instead, we have Mr. Warner now establishing the precedent for regional sporting administrators to pocket the lions share of the revenue coming in to the sporting organizations they are in charge of. Like I said in a previously unprinted letter on the matter, it is like the Governor of the Central Bank receiving commissions from deposits the bank is holding from commercial banks. I now understand that both Messrs Rosseau and Dehrig also pocketed substantial amounts of WIBC money while negotiating TV rights on behalf of regional cricket for the 2007 cricket World Cup and the head of the Guyana cricket board is also now looking after himself, albeit In a much smaller way.

 However, the point is that following Mr. Warners lead, sporting administrators in the region are now in it not for the love of the sport or to serve but to fill their own pockets and we have Jack Warner and a compliant media to thank for that.

 With great disappointment

 Gregory Wight
 Diego Martin
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: MEP on February 18, 2012, 02:25:35 PM
Keep the pressure on Liburd.
It must feel strange when you're the only (or one of very few) journalist (s)  doing proper investigative reporting and willing to ask the hard questions. I only hope you don't get sacrificed by these evil people.

Talk is cheap. Only people with genuine backbone and heart are willing to stand by their word.



Remember that it was this government that want to license journalists. Do you remember what happened to the journalist from Newsday and how the pp went after him?

I can say with certainty that we've now added the Banana before the Republic of TnT
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: mukumsplau on February 18, 2012, 02:41:49 PM
like allyuh forget jack had big cookout for d media and name each dish after d 'journalists'? jack and d media is limin pardnas

its relly disgusting the silence over this...this is frontpage stuff not sports section
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Brownsugar on February 18, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
Lasana is an investigative journalist?

steups.......

Nah.....his expose in 2005 that saved me from $30,000 for 3 tix to the T&T games and a gym bag full ah crap was just him talking out he arse....... ::) ::)

Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Brownsugar on February 18, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Fuad say the court case with the private civil matter......never mind it involves public funds.......aye these people good yes......

But I understand yuh know.......ah mean after all a detailed audit just might see the trail leading to Ross Advertising and any organisations/persons linked with the UNC election campaigns........

But the longest rope have an end........Kamla could run all she want but she cyar hide.....
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2012, 04:06:51 PM
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Cocorite on February 18, 2012, 04:36:47 PM
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  That's funny
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: truetrini on February 18, 2012, 04:42:37 PM
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  That's funny

yuh know what ah meant.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Cocorite on February 18, 2012, 04:47:32 PM
while Kamla and Faud do have a point, the man should be asked to resign until such time as he clears his name.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  That's funny

yuh know what ah meant.

Yeah ah know but it just too funny to imagine.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: tempo on February 18, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Fuad say the court case with the private civil matter......never mind it involves public funds.......aye these people good yes......

But I understand yuh know.......ah mean after all a detailed audit just might see the trail leading to Ross Advertising and any organisations/persons linked with the UNC election campaigns........

But the longest rope have an end........Kamla could run all she want but she cyar hide.....

Sugar, you hit the nail right on. I think they fear the Haitian money could be traced to the election. But why nothing from COP or PNM about this?
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: D.H.W on February 18, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
But why nothing from COP or PNM about this?

Dread the PNM rel stickin
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: tempo on February 18, 2012, 05:17:22 PM
But why nothing from COP or PNM about this?

Dread the PNM rel stickin
It would appear so.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: MEP on February 18, 2012, 05:46:09 PM
Don't worry about the PNM...things are in the works...you don't rush out and make statements without first conceiving a plan and you especially don't do it during carnival season. Remember Rowley was the one who drew jack's ire when he said that jack can't have two masters FiFA and the pp.
Also, if they are to make pronouncements then it would be along the lines of the ethical considerations of sitting MP's and what rules of law apply to them and then show cause as to how jack has violated these laws.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: sjahrain on February 18, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
I have a funny feeling that if and when Jack goes down,the current administration will follow
Just follow the money....
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 18, 2012, 10:31:37 PM
It is allege, Jacko the bandit invested some of his millions in the PP party in the  last election ,the reason they cannot fire him, it is allege he have files on all of them .

The Wackyo will not leave until he get back the money it is allege he invested ,and whenever Jack leaves he will crush that party to bits , he is a verry wicked and cruel  man he is a Tasmanian devil   
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Flex on February 19, 2012, 07:19:42 AM
Jack, Kamla and Erasmus
By Lincoln Myers (wired868).


Erasmus' 400-years-old essay "The Praise of Folly" offers us quite an interesting vantage point from which to view the overall performance of the Kamla Persad-Bissessar administration to date.

But for the moment, I wish only to bring to public notice, a short passage from this work that I believe will help us understand the essential quality of the relationship between the PM and her Minister of Works, Mr. Jack Warner and what appears as her inexplicable refusal to act against him even as very serious allegations of corruption are made against him locally and internationally and he defies judicial authorities.

The passage speaks loudly to both parties and all us, prompting the question: Is Jack Warner to PM Persad Bissessar what Calder Hart was to PM Patrick Manning? Or further, can we ever escape the apparent absurdity practised by both prime ministers, one following the other without the last election even providing a break in the rhythm?

Speaking as Folly, and on folly, Erasmus explores the nature of the friendship that Warner has and Hart had with their respective bosses. It's a voice the PM would do well to pay heed to, assuming of course that she can.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/view-point/item/101-jack-kamla-and-erasmus)
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Cocorite on February 19, 2012, 08:31:24 AM
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?

T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Daft Trini on February 19, 2012, 10:40:19 AM
Again I will say it: Jack bankrolled Kamla's run for PM, she then turns around and hands him the easiest ministry in which funds can be laundered. This is nothing but an asian politricks model (indian provincial politics to be specific). When it comes to managerial and executive brain power, Kamla is simply a dunce! The Economist Mag. has called her out twice on her stance in curbing crime for a small/somewhat semi-self governing state capitalistic country. Since lacking executive skills she has to turn to the one man who has had some semblance of this, and yes that is JACK, after all he was a FIFA's VP. Jack knows that the base of the UNC will never vote for him as leader, and Kamla knows she lacks the ability to be an effective leader. It's easy to see the way Jack has led the TTFF, is the same way in which he as choreographed for Kamla to administrate TnT. Kamla needs jack or she will be exposed for the fool she really is... there is no way she will leave Jack out to dry.

(yes for the all the kamla supporters, deal with it... that woman is an embarrassment to TnT's leadership. I know there are a few Trini Aussies in Perth, please post the interviews she did, she was horrible (like a deer in headlights)
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: weary1969 on February 19, 2012, 07:13:43 PM
I have a funny feeling that if and when Jack goes down,the current administration will follow
Just follow the money....


U TINK
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: weary1969 on February 19, 2012, 07:14:50 PM
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?

T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.

People rite hear vote 4 d PP and dey know he is a capital K crook. So doh study it.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: lefty on February 19, 2012, 07:31:43 PM
Again I will say it: Jack bankrolled Kamla's run for PM, she then turns around and hands him the easiest ministry in which funds can be laundered. This is nothing but an asian politricks model (indian provincial politics to be specific). When it comes to managerial and executive brain power, Kamla is simply a dunce! The Economist Mag. has called her out twice on her stance in curbing crime for a small/somewhat semi-self governing state capitalistic country. Since lacking executive skills she has to turn to the one man who has had some semblance of this, and yes that is JACK, after all he was a FIFA's VP. Jack knows that the base of the UNC will never vote for him as leader, and Kamla knows she lacks the ability to be an effective leader. It's easy to see the way Jack has led the TTFF, is the same way in which he as choreographed for Kamla to administrate TnT. Kamla needs jack or she will be exposed for the fool she really is... there is no way she will leave Jack out to dry.

(yes for the all the kamla supporters, deal with it... that woman is an embarrassment to TnT's leadership. I know there are a few Trini Aussies in Perth, please post the interviews she did, she was horrible (like a deer in headlights)

so what then of d rumours dat it have ah group a unc ministers singin in she ears to let him go and word is dat lobby have some sway
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Andre on February 19, 2012, 09:21:30 PM
kamla can't investigate she own boss
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: dtool on February 20, 2012, 03:29:40 PM

In Haiti, no home but a tent   Washington Post Monday, February 20, 2012

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/clearing-earthquake-camps-in-haiti-is-not-pretty/2012/01/27/gIQAnxzNOR_story.html
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Brownsugar on February 20, 2012, 03:58:36 PM
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?

T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.

People rite hear vote 4 d PP and dey know he is a capital K crook. So doh study it.

oh gorm do rub it een nah.....it was an act of desperation........ :)
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Bakes on February 20, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Unless he did something while in office, I don't expect Kamla to investigate anything.

Misbehavior, whether while in office or not is grounds for resignation/removal... unless is kicks you on.  Need we even be reminded of the fact that this is criminal behavior (embezzlement) we're talking about?
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: weary1969 on February 20, 2012, 07:38:53 PM
You know how embarrassing it is to hear that Jack Warner serves as Acting Prime Minister when Kamla is out of the country?

T&T could be real shameful oui. To sit idly by and permit this is absolute madness.

People rite hear vote 4 d PP and dey know he is a capital K crook. So doh study it.

oh gorm do rub it een nah.....it was an act of desperation........ :)

Nah d Project Mger on he worse day could neva make me vote PP
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: lefty on February 20, 2012, 08:35:10 PM
Nah d Project Mger on he worse day could neva make me vote PP

ah bandwagon of do nothings, racists, opportunist and crooks
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: tempo on February 20, 2012, 08:48:15 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2012-02-20/allegations-against-warner-tarnishing-tt%E2%80%99s-reputation

A bit of a mishmash of messages but the gist I got was that anyone in or from T&T wishing to see Jack brought to justice risks getting tainted by having our dirty laundry aired in public. If so, this is the type of hand wringing that will cause the country to never get from under the influence of people like Warner.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: Deeks on February 20, 2012, 09:56:51 PM
I read the article by Brian Lewis and I am trying to figure out why he castigating some of us for having a "vendetta" against the special advisor. I just read a post on the guardian or express where a writer asked Brian Lewis if Jack was a member of the TT Olimpic committee would they have allowed him to do the same thing as he did in football. I can't asnwer for them, but that would be highly unlikely. Brian Lewis must be breathing a sigh of relief that Jack was not a member of the Olimpic body.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 20, 2012, 10:55:09 PM
http://www.guardian.co.tt/sport/2012-02-20/allegations-against-warner-tarnishing-tt%E2%80%99s-reputation

A bit of a mishmash of messages but the gist I got was that anyone in or from T&T wishing to see Jack brought to justice risks getting tainted by having our dirty laundry aired in public. If so, this is the type of hand wringing that will cause the country to never get from under the influence of people like Warner.

This is what Mr. Brian Lewis had to say after the loss to Guyana.... 

Assigning culpability and sacrificing the reputation and hard work of long serving officials on either side of the divide to progress ones own agenda and ambitions will never solve the problems faced by local football.

I'm not sure which divide he is referring to, but you either in the establishment or you are a powerless outsider. This fella is prone to talking out his arse. In his writings he has blamed the state of football on Wim Rjisberg, the players, the clubs. Everybody except Jack and the TTFF. Now that the snake has been defanged he playing man and throwing ole talk about personal responsibility. Somebody show me one single article where Lewis ever exercised that personal responsibility so dear to his heart to publicly reprimanded the TTFF for its shortcomings.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: tempo on February 20, 2012, 11:47:38 PM
The recent articles from Lewis suggests that he comes from the David Muhammed, Jamal Shabazz branch of the T&T sports tree of life. I'm tired of hearing that crew raise the issue of race when, as the Haitian aid allegations show, Warner cares about black folks only when it serves his purpose and aims. The landscape of emerging sports administrative talent is frightingly bare.
Title: Re: Kamla says no to Jack investigation
Post by: weary1969 on February 21, 2012, 08:24:15 PM
The recent articles from Lewis suggests that he comes from the David Muhammed, Jamal Shabazz branch of the T&T sports tree of life. I'm tired of hearing that crew raise the issue of race when, as the Haitian aid allegations show, Warner cares about black folks only when it serves his purpose and aims. The landscape of emerging sports administrative talent is frightingly bare.

ENTTTT
Title: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Flex on February 26, 2012, 02:26:09 PM
Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Warners questionable suit

Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner sent a pre-action protocol letter to methe Wired868.com editor and publisheron Friday through his attorney Om Lalla.

The legal document, which claimed defamation and libel, was published on the website of State-owned television station, CTV, and re-published on Facebook and several forums before it was even in my possession.

However, there was some confusion among readers as Lallas initial letter quoted the Trinidad Express Newspaper as the publisher of the offending article. A subsequent document was dispatched in care of the TnT Mirror Newspaper.

And, even when Lalla finally got the message to the right person via email, there was no mention of Wired868.

There are two immediate points about Warners claim that the articleentitled Warner named in Haitian aid scandal and published on 12 February 2012caused him serious distress and embarrassment which seem to be undermined here.

In defamation suits, the intention tends to be to block the reproduction of a harmful statement. But, in this case, Warner himself ensured that the supposedly distressing allegations would be rebroadcast by having the letter sent to CTV.

This decision by Warner was especially ironic as the United National Congress (UNC) chairman initially threatened to sue Twitter users for re-tweeting less than ten words from the article yet went on to quote entire paragraphs to the press.

Secondly, Warner's letter quoted three sources of information for the article, which suggested that $4.4 million (US$690,000) from $4.76 million (US$750,000) in emergency aid for Haiti remained unaccounted for.

Warner, through his lawyer, named the UK Sunday Times, FIFA and Federation of Haitian Football (FHF) President Dr Yves Jean-Bart as the originators of a story that was described as "false, malicious and misleading and calculated to damage our client's reputation."

Wired868, after discussions with its attorney, believes that if Warner was as distressed as he claimed he might not have encouraged the offending segments to be re-published. If he was indeed serious about salvaging his reputation, Warner might have also demanded an apology from the UK Sunday Times, FIFA and the FHF who clearly initiated the story.

And, if Lalla treated his client's suit with the gravity suggested by the impending suit, one might expect that he would try to determine exactly who published the article before penning a letter and sending it to several bemused news rooms.

Lalla insisted that Warner be given a "full and unequivocal public retraction... and an apology" which must be published "in both the print and electronic media."

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/104-warners-questionable-lawsuit):

Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Sam on February 26, 2012, 03:03:43 PM
Hit them hard Lasana.

These fools think you will run and hide like de T&T Express, Guardian and Newsday.

This clown Warner going down slowly but surely. And Oma Lalla ass in trouble soon.

Kamal days numbered to.

Next thing Warner go try and sue Karene Asche (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPBy9FTkXkE).

PS: Ah wonder why Andrew Jennings never sue Warner for hitting him ?


Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Football supporter on February 26, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
Well, its clear to me whats going on here....Warner and this Liburd character are clearly in cohoots. I'm guessing Warner, and maybe even Lalla, invested heavily in this online newspaper. You watch, next week, Warner will reveal the proof that he paid money to Haiti and drop the libel charge. This is just a clever way of launching Wired 868 and bumping up the circulation.

Otherwise, why else would Warner sue Liburd? After all, the story was first printed in the Times in UK, a very prestigeous paper. Millions of people would have read it and countless other publications worldwide would repeat the story, as did Wired 868. So if you feel wronged, why wouldn't you sue the author and your apology would be seen globally? Instead only the several thousand Wired 868 readers will see it and  the rest of the world will still assume the worst?

Nah, this is a scam to build readership...it must be. If Warner has the proof he sent the money, he would have released it by now. And it would only take Lalla 10 minutes to locate Liburds address. So they must be acting to promote Wired 868. The only other explanaintion is that Warner and Lalla are totally inept clowns, and that certainly can't be case. Can it?

DIRECTOR!
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Sando on February 26, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
How come Jack not getting jail and he did worst ?

China jails ex-World Cup ref for fixing matches

BEIJING (AP) China's state news agency says a former World Cup referee is among nine people who have been sentenced to up to seven years in jail for bribery and soccer match fixing. The official Xinhua News Agency said Thursday that a court in northeast China gave Lu Jun 5 1/2 years in jail for taking about nearly $130,000 to fix seven league matches. Lu is China's best known referee after he was in charge of two games at the 2002 World Cup in South Korea and Japan.

Three other referees and five company and soccer association officials were fined or sentenced to up to seven years for match fixing. China has launched a crackdown in recent years to try to cut out the rampant corruption in its professional leagues.
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on February 26, 2012, 03:30:48 PM
A TnT Mirror article written by Azad Ali on 6 November 2011 and titled "PR firm hired to do legal work" alleged that Lalladirectly and indirectlyreceived multi-million dollar briefs from National Infrastructure and Development Company (NIDCO) and the Airports Authority of Trinidad and Tobago (AATT). At the time, Warner was the line minister for both State boards....Is there a conflict of interest if Warner's personal lawyer was indeed also being paid handsomely by State boards under his purview at the time?

Unbelievable. I'll say it again, the longer this case drags on the more the people of T&T will unwittingly pay through the nose.

The only other explanaintion is that Warner and Lalla are totally inept clowns, and that certainly can't be case. Can it?

DIRECTOR!

 :devil: I think Lalla is smarter than that. Smells to me like desperation on Jack's part and ordering Lalla to do something to head off criticism.
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: D.H.W on February 26, 2012, 03:38:09 PM
FS yuh sarcasm might get yuh in trouble  :banginghead: is a good thing I know better  :frustrated: Lol
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Cocorite on February 26, 2012, 04:58:13 PM
Ooh Guude! Whap  :whip:

Warner has been intoxicated off his power far too long.

Just watch yuh back Liburd. . .ah know yuh smart enough.
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: dreamer on February 26, 2012, 06:02:07 PM
Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Warners questionable suit

Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner sent a pre-action protocol letter to methe Wired868.com editor and publisheron Friday through his attorney Om Lalla.

The legal document, which claimed defamation and libel, was published on the website of State-owned television station, CTV, and re-published on Facebook and several forums before it was even in my possession.

However, there was some confusion among readers as Lallas initial letter quoted the Trinidad Express Newspaper as the publisher of the offending article. A subsequent document was dispatched in care of the TnT Mirror Newspaper.

And, even when Lalla finally got the message to the right person via email, there was no mention of Wired868.

There are two immediate points about Warners claim that the articleentitled Warner named in Haitian aid scandal and published on 12 February 2012caused him serious distress and embarrassment which seem to be undermined here.

In defamation suits, the intention tends to be to block the reproduction of a harmful statement. But, in this case, Warner himself ensured that the supposedly distressing allegations would be rebroadcast by having the letter sent to CTV.

This decision by Warner was especially ironic as the United National Congress (UNC) chairman initially threatened to sue Twitter users for re-tweeting less than ten words from the article yet went on to quote entire paragraphs to the press.

Secondly, Warner's letter quoted three sources of information for the article, which suggested that $4.4 million (US$690,000) from $4.76 million (US$750,000) in emergency aid for Haiti remained unaccounted for.

Warner, through his lawyer, named the UK Sunday Times, FIFA and Federation of Haitian Football (FHF) President Dr Yves Jean-Bart as the originators of a story that was described as "false, malicious and misleading and calculated to damage our client's reputation."

Wired868, after discussions with its attorney, believes that if Warner was as distressed as he claimed he might not have encouraged the offending segments to be re-published. If he was indeed serious about salvaging his reputation, Warner might have also demanded an apology from the UK Sunday Times, FIFA and the FHF who clearly initiated the story.

And, if Lalla treated his client's suit with the gravity suggested by the impending suit, one might expect that he would try to determine exactly who published the article before penning a letter and sending it to several bemused news rooms.

Lalla insisted that Warner be given a "full and unequivocal public retraction... and an apology" which must be published "in both the print and electronic media."

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/104-warners-questionable-lawsuit):



Good stuff.

Nuff respect to you Lasana. It takes courage to challenge a monster like Jackula and it takes composure to read through the robber talk and sabre rattling. Folks are reading your stuff and learning how to handle themseselves, how to speak up and challenge abuse when it is seen and thus keep their dignity. Almost unheard of in T&T.

Salute you again.  :salute:
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Football supporter on February 26, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
FS yuh sarcasm might get yuh in trouble  :banginghead: is a good thing I know better  :frustrated: Lol

Dude, I guess sarcasm is still a black art on this site! Thats what you get from growing up on Monty Python, Fawlty Towers and Only Fools & Horses!
Title: Re: Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
Post by: Bakes on February 26, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
Wired868 responds to ex-FIFA VPs legal threat.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).

In defamation suits, the intention tends to be to block the reproduction of a harmful statement.

...only if is injunctive relief yuh seeking, rather than damages.  In this case Warner clearly saying he seeking damages.
Title: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Flex on March 04, 2012, 05:55:37 AM
Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
T&T Guardian Reports.  


Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner told Trinidads Parliament yesterday that he has adequately accounted for the nearly US$1 million entrusted to him as a post-earthquake donation for Haiti.

Warner spoke yesterday after an Opposition member accused Trinidad and Tobagos prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar of not holding Warner accountable for his actions as a government official.

Warner is the Minister of Works and Infrastructure. Last month, Haitian officials told British newspaper The Sunday Times that they received only $60,000 of the $750,000 pledged by FIFA and South Korean football leader Chung Mong-joon for football-related rebuilding projects.
 
Warner has repeatedly denied the claim.I received two sets of money, one for $500,000 and the other for $250,000, and I sent bills to them for $970,000, Warner said.

He did not provide details or explain the origin of the additional $220,000 that he mentioned. He spoke as legislators debated a no-confidence motion filed against Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

FIFA has said it is studying detailed documentation Warner submitted about the $250,000 donation that he applied for and received.

Warner resigned from his football duties last year to avoid a bribery probe after heading the sports North and Central American and Caribbean governing body for almost 30 years.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: dreamer on March 04, 2012, 07:15:39 AM
http://asia.eurosport.com/football/world-cup/2010/warner-assists-fifa-probe_sto3176110/story.shtml


Football - World Cup
02/03/2012 - 00:42 - Updated 02/03/2012 - 01:01
Warner assists FIFA Haiti probe





PA Photos

FIFA have disclosed they are looking at "very detailed documentation" provided by former vice-president Jack Warner as they pursue investigations into reports that aid money for earthquake-hit Haiti never got through to the island.

 The world governing body provided 250,000 US dollars (around 156,000) and the Korean FA a further 500,000 dollars (around 314,000) after requests by Warner.

Haiti FA president Yves Jean-Bart told the Sunday Times that only 60,000 dollars (just over 37,000) materialised, leading to a FIFA investigation into where their money went.

Warner, who resigned from football last year after being charged with bribery, has insisted the money did go to Haiti and has now responded to FIFA.

A FIFA statement said: "FIFA can confirm that Jack Warner has submitted very detailed documentation to FIFA, with reference to the application of the Haiti funds received for distribution (as had been requested by FIFA). The volume of the evidentiary material provided means that FIFA will require some time to analyse it and come to a conclusion."

The FIFA cash was paid into a Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation bank account - Warner was president of Caribbean football and special adviser to the TTFF.

Last month FIFA froze funding to the TTFF until answers were provided - the federation said they could not track the money as it had been paid into an account solely controlled by Warner.

FIFA said they had received no complaint from the Korean FA about the donation they made.
PA Sport
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: dreamer on March 04, 2012, 07:56:18 AM
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Die_Hard on March 04, 2012, 09:23:02 AM
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1

Are you requesting we email someone?
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Bitter on March 04, 2012, 09:59:16 AM
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1

Are you requesting we email someone?

Nah, Warner email the money to haiti, but it went in they spam folder...  ::)
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: weary1969 on March 04, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1

Are you requesting we email someone?

Nah, Warner email the money to haiti, but it went in they spam folder...  ::)

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: ribbit on March 04, 2012, 09:40:11 PM
haiti known for de quality of dey documentation. dey eh know about tiefing in haiti.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: pardners on March 05, 2012, 11:10:13 AM
So how come he could now produce evidence ?
Is it because he trying to build a case to support his lawsuit against Lisana ?
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Cocorite on March 05, 2012, 11:54:51 AM
The bigger question is, how come after 6 years he cyar produce the same for the 06' warriors?
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Socapro on March 05, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
The bigger question is, how come after 6 years he cyar produce the same for the 06' warriors?

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Socapro on March 05, 2012, 12:30:43 PM
http://sn134w.snt134.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=604668268!n=960259468&fid=1&fav=1

Are you requesting we email someone?

Nah, Warner email the money to haiti, but it went in they spam folder...  ::)

 :rotfl:

What you laughing at?!

The money was sent as an email attachment but they only just find that email in their spam folder and decide to print the money attached off this week!

Warner will be proven completely innocent once they can pass off that money they now desperately printing off as real money!!  I hope no one in Haiti checks this freshly printed money for any watermark! :beermug:
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 05, 2012, 12:50:16 PM
is it just me or are is jack being very careful not to pinpoint exactly who the aid money was sent to? he says the money was sent to haiti, but he has not specified that he sent it to the fhf.

and fifa tiptoeing around the issue too. like they get ketch with something in jack's 'detailed' documentation.

if jw actually did send this money to haiti, but not to the fhf, what could that mean? if i were to speculate its either

(1)  he sent it to an aid organization that would actually use the money constructively, as jack knew it would be stolen by the fhf.

(2) he sent money to an account that was set up to recieve and distribute monies either to cfu voting blocs, or to his personal interests, or both.

fifa looks to have overplayed their hand here.

Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: MEP on March 05, 2012, 12:55:21 PM
If jack didn't have anything to hide he would have produced this long ago.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: pardners on March 05, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
If jack didn't have anything to hide he would have produced this long ago.

Thank yuh !
I didn't even want to bring up the issue of the WC06 monies and accounts...keeping that separate for now.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Bakes on March 05, 2012, 03:02:59 PM
If jack didn't have anything to hide he would have produced this long ago.

Thank yuh !
I didn't even want to bring up the issue of the WC06 monies and accounts...keeping that separate for now.

Not only that... there's still about $40,000 US unaccounted for.  Besides, these haven't exactly been "accounted" for anyways... he's just given verbal accounts as to what HE SAYS happened to the money.  Let's see the receipts and reports.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Coach on March 05, 2012, 03:52:45 PM
Why is JW not being investigated by the government??

I do not understand why a government minister is inovolved in so many corrupted issues and the government turns a blind eye.

Is the government keeping an eye how he is using taxpayer $$??? Seeing that he is mention in high profile corruptions.

The man was seen on video offering bribes what does our gov't do? reward him to stay on as a minister!

Did TnT not learned, from all the corroupted ministers we had int he past?? Lawd only in TnT!
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: MEP on March 05, 2012, 08:19:09 PM
Why is JW not being investigated by the government??

I do not understand why a government minister is inovolved in so many corrupted issues and the government turns a blind eye.

Is the government keeping an eye how he is using taxpayer $$??? Seeing that he is mention in high profile corruptions.

The man was seen on video offering bribes what does our gov't do? reward him to stay on as a minister!

Did TnT not learned, from all the corroupted ministers we had int he past?? Lawd only in TnT!
The man financed this government's election campaign so they are not going to go after him unless their back is up against a wall. Only when he becomes an extreme liability then they will get him..right now he's just a nuisance.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 05, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
If this government cannot investagate  jack or ask him to step down until he clear his name, i would not like to see what else is going on with other ministers and all they do is use their lawyer knowledge, excuses to defend him .
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: weary1969 on March 05, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
If this government cannot investagate  jack or ask him to step down until he clear his name, i would not like to see what else is going on with other ministers and all they do is use their lawyer knowledge, excuses to defend him .


FRIEND SIT BCK AND ENJOY D RIDE.
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: Big Magician on March 05, 2012, 09:23:32 PM
E-FACKING-VIL
Title: Re: Warner tells parliament he gave Haiti US$960,000.
Post by: dreamer on March 06, 2012, 03:32:23 PM
Stanford in de slammer from de cricket bobol and Ponzi schemes now and nex' is Jackula turn.
Let Jackula pass tru Miami or JFK and lsee if dey doh snatch him and lock up he backside.

See pics:  http://www.google.com/searchq=allen+stanford&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4SUNA_enUS290US293&prmd=imvnsuol&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=IYFWT-zaEZCItweVwpzlCA&sqi=2&ved=0CGQQsAQ&biw=1264&bih=625



Stanford found guilty in Ponzi scheme
By Chris Isidore@CNNMoney
March 6, 2012



NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- A federal court jury in Houston found former financier R. Allen Stanford guilty Tuesday on 13 of 14 counts of running a Ponzi scheme.

Stanford, who was first charged with the fraud by the Securities and Exchange Commission and federal prosecutors in 2009, was found guilty on 13 of 14 counts at the conclusion of a five-week trial. He could face up to 120 years in prison, according to his court-appointed attorney Robert Scardino.

Federal prosecutors brought criminal charges against Stanford in June 2009. The only count he was found not guilty of on Tuesday was one count of wire fraud.

Prosecutors have said that there are about 30,000 victims of the alleged fraud.

"This trial will decide not just whether Stanford is guilty of the criminal charges, but also whether hundreds of million of dollars of investor funds currently frozen may be forfeited and returned to his alleged victims," U.S. District Judge David Hittner wrote in a December court order.

A hearing on whether Stanford will have to forfeit money in his accounts and other property was scheduled to take place later Tuesday.

In February 2009 the SEC charged that Stanford and three of his companies orchestrated a $9.2 billion investment and sales fraud. But SEC can only bring civil charges, not criminal charges.

Prosecutors charged Stanford sold billions of dollars in certificates of deposit administered by Stanford International Bank Ltd., an offshore bank in Antigua.

The billionaire misrepresented to investors the financial condition of that bank, its investment strategy and the extent of regulatory oversight, the prosecutors said. Stanford also was accused of misusing most of those investments.

Stanford maintained his innocence throughout the process. In a tearful 2009 interview, Stanford told ABC News: "I would die and go to hell if it's a Ponzi scheme."

But he remained in jail awaiting trial, going through 14 different attorneys during that time. He was briefly declared incompetent to stand trial due to health reasons in 2011 before later being found competent again.

The jury got the case last Wednesday and Monday night sent a note to the judge saying they could not reach a unanimous verdict. But U.S. District Judge David Hittner sent them back for further deliberations and they returned with a verdict that was read in court just before noon local time Tuesday.

"Last night when I heard there was a hung jury, I was spinning," said Stanford victim Cassie Wilkinson, speaking to reporters after the verdict. "I was so anxious, thinking what if this guy gets off. What if he actually walks after he took advantage of so many people."

Wilkinson said she and her husband were Houston natives who had retired to Austin, Texas, before losing much of their savings in investments with Stanford. Her husband has had to return to work and Wilkinson said she might have to return to work as well.

After sitting through five weeks of the trial, she said she welled up in tears when the verdict was announced.

"There is a little bit of vindication knowing that there are 12 other people who thought the same thing, that we were just scammed," she said. "There's a sense of relief we're not just fools."

-- The CNN Wire contributed to this report
First Published: March 6, 2012

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Click here for Wall Street Journal story on Jackula pardnah: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203458604577265490160937460.html
Title: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: truetrini on March 22, 2012, 11:13:08 AM
Ex-FIFA VP allegedly pocketed bribe in Government office
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)


Add fraud to the numerous allegationsmany of them substantiatedmade against Jack Warner, Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President, over the years.

Accusations of corruption against Warner are nothing new. But the identity of Warner's latest accuser might raise fresh questions about the Chaguanas West MP's behavior during and after the visit of former Asian Football Confederation (AFC) President Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Current Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) General Secretary Richard Groden claimed, in an affidavit for FIFA which was leaked exclusively to Wired868, that Warner put US$40,000 (TT$243,200)supposedly meant for the benefit of local footballinto a drawer in his MP's office. The money, which was given by Bin Hammam, was declared by FIFA to be a bribe.


The affidavit was leaked to Wired868 last month by a source within the football fraternity. But it can only now be revealed after the sender consented to it being published.

Groden, who was also charged by FIFA for his behavior on 11 August 2011 but let off with a warning on 14 October 2011, said he never heard anything about the cash-stuffed envelope since.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/124-warner-accused-of-collecting-bribe-in-govt-office)

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Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: royal on March 22, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
......... oh dear,what can the matter be..
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: weary1969 on March 22, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
......... oh dear,what can the matter be..

Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: PATRIOT on March 22, 2012, 12:46:36 PM


Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
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I agree with the plot aspect... I mean, look at the timing of this release  ???  ... on the eve of the UNC elections, with the goodly gentleman seekly re-election as Chairman of the Party   :frustrated:  ... however I don't think iz Gen. Vex... I believe it is the work of the Sinister Slate called UNC Soldiers  :devil: who are supporting the main contender to the MOWT  ... but I am sure that all will be revealed in the fullness of time  :bs: ent?
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: D.H.W on March 22, 2012, 12:48:27 PM
Lol things sweet yes. Warner love money too much.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: weary1969 on March 22, 2012, 01:28:04 PM


Not 1 ting it is a plot by Generation vex 2 undermine d Hon MP and Chairman b4 d election on Fri.
I agree with the plot aspect... I mean, look at the timing of this release  ???  ... on the eve of the UNC elections, with the goodly gentleman seekly re-election as Chairman of the Party   :frustrated:  ... however I don't think iz Gen. Vex... I believe it is the work of the Sinister Slate called UNC Soldiers  :devil: who are supporting the main contender to the MOWT  ... but I am sure that all will be revealed in the fullness of time  :bs: ent?
[/quote]

So is not only Generation Vex. So d GOPIO man runnin for Chairman?
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: E-man on March 22, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
kinda wondering if the money was handed over by the CFU Asst. General Secretary, why didn't he take it back to them instead of Warner?

"He said CFU Assistant General Secretary Debbie Minguell and Event Coordinator Jason Sylvester handed him the bribe in a foyer of the hotel."

Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Sam on March 22, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
Great job Lasana !!!! ......

Richard Groden is sounding a little suspecious. Either way ah glad how things unfolding.

Jack might sue Lasana again !!!!!

That man ugly and greedy and you cant be both.

Jack, Camps and Groden should get jailed. And Anil Roberts fired and discarded.

Only crooks in T&T boy.... ah wonder what Kamla go say now.... "till death do us part"....

Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Errol on March 23, 2012, 04:01:08 AM
Lasana will give Warner a heart-attack one day !!!!..

It good..

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: spideybuff on March 23, 2012, 09:18:55 AM
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: pardners on March 23, 2012, 11:21:32 AM
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.

True
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Jack Horner on March 23, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
Bad timing and no one cares.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: diamondtrim on March 23, 2012, 04:34:51 PM
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Football supporter on March 23, 2012, 07:31:04 PM
So what wrong with Warner doing that if Groden can't say what happen to it after? It was cash. Jack will just say he had a meeting to go to and left it in his drawer for safe keeping. After his meeting, the money went where it was supposed to go.

In which case, Jack will be able to show documented proof of where the money was deposited/donated. It wasn't his money (allegedly)so it should have gone somewhere

This not helping build a case against Jack and Groden know that. He just say something without really saying anything.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Big Magician on March 23, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Fu#king JOKERS.. and we is CU#TS
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Trinitozbone on March 25, 2012, 12:12:36 PM
Strange I did not see this in the newspapers! Like jack threat to sue have them running scared? Or did they hold it for after the UNC elections? Jack must be saying Et tu Groden? No wonder he only got a slap on his wrist from FIFA! He squealed on Jack! What a  Joke! It is just not funny! When will this saga come to an end?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 01, 2012, 06:06:18 AM
Well, in the event the police riding for him.......he would have first hand knowledge......ah feel Jack Horner write this article.....an no people its not an April's fool joke!!

Warner appointed to National Security Council
Sunday, April 1, 2012
Shaliza Hassanali


Works and Infrastructure Minister Jack Warner has been appointed a member to the National Security Council (NSC) chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Warner was informed of his position in a March 26 letter from the Office of the Prime Minister.

Last Thursday, Warner sat in his first NSC meeting with three other membersEnergy Minister Kevin Ramnarine, National Security Minister John Sandy and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan at the Office of the Prime Minister in St Clair. The post was given to Warner five days after he was re-elected as chairman in the UNCs March 24 internal election, having received 12, 656 votes.

The NSC also comprises Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs, chief of Defence Staff and members of the protective services, which include fire, coast guard, prisons, and customs and excise. Warners job will entail dealing with current national security issues affecting the country.

At every meeting, a source at the NSC said, there will be an agenda where issues of national security will be raised and discussed. Decisions will then be taken which will be passed on to the protective services for action. Regarded as a peoples person, a well placed National Security source said Warner was the best choice in the NSC since he often has his ears to the ground. Warner is expected to bring his own style to the NSC, the same way he manages his ministry.

Efforts to reach Warner yesterday proved futile.


http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-04-01/warner-appointed-national-security-council (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-04-01/warner-appointed-national-security-council)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 01, 2012, 07:28:18 AM
Nice April Fools joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on April 01, 2012, 08:41:58 AM
is a joke had to be
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on April 01, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
All yuh 4get we iz d land of humour and rumour.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinitozbone on April 03, 2012, 09:52:21 AM
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 03, 2012, 12:32:56 PM
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

Supposed to be tomorrow......
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinitozbone on April 04, 2012, 08:04:35 AM
Ok I hope we will get a good report! jW is really playing our justice system for a fool!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2012, 05:47:02 PM
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

D TTFF eh sue Jack. D players have 2 sue Scamps, Groden and Watson for contempt. D judge will rule on it in May. D saga continues.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on April 04, 2012, 06:07:41 PM
just bound up Sancho, the wife and the wee sancho... he said it wont stop.... "It have jail in it"
Title: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: Tallman on April 04, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)

 
Justice Devindra Rampersads agenda was disturbed again today at the Port of Spain High Court as the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) once more disobeyed a court order and failed to take legal action against its former Special Advisor and Works Minister Jack Warner.

The TTFFs decision again raised the possibility of contempt of court charges and the 13 aggrieved 2006 World Cup players, who are suing for unpaid bonuses, will now file a submission for action against the local football bodys General Secretary Richard Groden and ex-President Oliver Camps.

Shaka Hislop, who gave a heroic performance between the uprights at the Germany World Cup, was at the High Court today for the first time along with former teammates Brent Sancho, Atiba Charles and Anthony Wolfe. The other players involved in the proceedings are Kenwyne Jones, Stern John, Kelvin Jack, Aurtis Whitley, Cyd Gray, Cornell Glen, Avery John, Collin Samuel and Evans Wise.

The players, who are owed half of all 2006 World Cup revenue, were represented by Dave De Peiza, Phillip Lamont and George Hislopfather to the ex-World Cup goalkeeperwhile British attorney Michael Townley remains involved in the matter from London.

Deryck Ali spearheaded the TTFFs legal team while interim president Lennox Watson, treasurer Rudi Thomas and Groden showed up on behalf of the sporting body.

On Alis request, reporters were not allowed inside the courtroom.

However, Wired868 was informed that the case will resume on 3 May 2012. Then, Justice Rampersad will rule on arguments from either side on a contempt of court charge against Groden and Camps as well as on an application from the players for an oral examination of the TTFF and its staff.

Also, in what is being viewed as a coup by the players, the TTFF has agreed to allow a forensic audit of its accounts and both parties should agree soon on an auditor for the task.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/140-warner-and-ttff-win-more-time-in-high-court)
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: Sam on April 04, 2012, 07:11:55 PM
CAPTION THIS

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2012, 07:34:33 PM
Any update on whether the TTFF sued Warner on providing Accounts for LOC 2006  World Cup as ordered by Judge Rampersad?
Is not the case coming up in a few days? Anyone with any information !

D TTFF eh sue Jack. D players have 2 sue Scamps, Groden and Watson for contempt. D judge will rule on it in May. D saga continues.

I tired....
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: Sam on April 04, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
When the players had the chance to make Jack part of the case they lapse, now Jack could walk free, the TTFF broke and nobody eh getting they pay ?

Is this possible ?

I preach to the players, dont hold back and go for de kill, de longer this case take is de better it is for the TTFF and Jack, because that money gone long time.

Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: King Deese on April 05, 2012, 08:25:51 AM
King Corbeau Jack, protected by the Red, White, and Black.
King Corbeau has been living a charmed life in the Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago, a small nation that doesn't deem it necessary to comply with a Financial Action Task Force, an international group dedicated to putting measures in place to combat money laundering and terrorist financing.
Don't need any stinkin task force, King Corbeau is on the job. Men fraid King Corbeau. How else do you explain why a group of ansy pansies would rather risk jail than bring the King to court. Why is it, so call politicians don't want to know what happened to over $180 million dollars including a so call Prime Minister who poses for the camera with the King Corbeau himself for all the world to see. They say "birds of a feather flock together" but one is a corbeau and the other is a hummingbird wannabe. How else do you explain the so call Caribbean Football Union crying broke but refusing to investigate the King Corbeau for millions of dollars missing from their financial account. How else do you explain a high court judge pussyfooting in a case that involves King Corbeau. How is it that you get to disrespect a judge and get away with it?

Some how, some where, God don't like ugly, and right now, you are really fugly.
Title: Ashford Jackman speculates on the post-Warner scenario
Post by: Tallman on April 12, 2012, 06:04:21 AM
Still in play
By Ashford Jackman (T&T Review)


April 3, 2012

There are three major issues to be resolved in the ongoing theatre that is the state of football in Trinidad and Tobago today. For one, it remains to be seen whether Jack Warner, the long time godfather of the sport, can prevail amidst the swarm of accusations and attacks currently plaguing his very existence. Secondly, we.have to wait and see whether the former players who have sued the national federation will ever get their money. But for those objective enough to look beyond personalities, it is number three that is the most important: What lies ahead for T&T football? This issue, however, may very well depend on issue  number one.

It was inevitable that the domestic game would find itself in the quagmire where it currently lies. When a single man is allowed to wield the level of influence over a sport that Warner did for almost four decades, supported by a cast of unquestioning loyalists, rot and decadence are certain to set in. From his days as General Secretary of the TTFA in the seventies and eighties, to his ascension to CONCACAF President and FIFA Vice-president, in which position he maintained his control over the national federation by arranging to become Special Adviser, Jack has never been further than a phone call away from every administrative decision. Thus, with his deep pockets, his FIFA-earned global connections and his friend Oliver Camps firmly large and in charge at the TTFF for two decades, Warner ensured that Trinidad and Tobagos football became a one-man operation.

History is replete with examples of leaders who began with the best of intentions but eventually drifted off-track, having ceased to hear dissenting voices, whether right or wrong. Thus, when his troubles started a year ago, Jacks many adversaries, accumulated over a career that has been both colourful and controversial, began licking their lips in gleeful anticipation of his demise. Others, perhaps genuinely concerned about rescuing the sport from its current malaise, immediately started to manoeuvre for office in the new administration. But how close are we really from righting the wrongs in football and charting a new course for the game? What real changes have we made since the Voice of One was silenced? The answers to those questions might produce some sobering facts and leave many new believers in dismay.

Let us undertake a careful examination of developments over the last few months. Firstly, Warners extended silence does not mean that he is finished. Certainly, he no longer enjoys the global influence and the alleged sources of wealth associated with top FIFA executives and heads of the six world football confederations. Such trappings he surrendered last year, rather than face a full FIFA tribunal into the Cash-for-Votes fiasco at the Port of Spain Hyatt. Additionally, FIFA is withholding his pension, at least until the whereabouts of money it claims was sent this way to aid football in post-earthquake Haiti can be established.

Events closer to home must hurt more; amidst FIFAs frenzied attempts to repair its tarnished image, many of Warners former Caribbean Football Union lieutenants have either turned on him or have had their wings clipped. Camps, for instance, did not take long before he followed his erstwhile boss into the football wilderness, declaring the TTFF bankrupt and walking away smiling from the ruins.

That disgruntled European football executives and politicians attacked the wounded former power broker -none with more gusto than the English, following their gut-wrenching betrayal at the contentious World Cup vote in late 2010. But the surprise was that over the last year or so, Minister Warner, who was instrumental in securing the seat of Government for the Peoples Partnership, has found himself the target of barb after political barb in the past year. First his ministry was halved, then his portfolio was reduced and his wings clipped by budget restrictions and nuisance-value enquiries and new oversight arrangements, and just last weekend, was being challenged for the position of Chairman of the UNC in a battle that he eventually won hands-down. From time to time, even if for a few brief moments, he looks as if he would surely soon be down for the count.

Not so fast, though. It has to be remembered that Warners issues within the UNC are not directly connected with those in the sport. Politics, it must be noted, did not make him into the footballing force that he became; indeed, the opposite is true.  Warners lofty offices as CONCACAF President and FIFA Vice-president were attained long before his foray into politics. Few doubt that it was the very football-based power which accelerated his rise to the top echelons of the UNC. And, one might add, it is his loss of his football base that has left him vulnerable to successful attack by his political foes.

But there is still the small but very relevant matter of his wealth. Whatever revenue he may have lost as a result of quitting FIFA, one suspects that a poor boy Jack will never again be. He quite possibly owns more businesses and property in T&T and abroad and has more sources of income than most people in the country imagine. And should he be cleared of any wrongdoing in the Haiti affair, his hefty pension is unlikely to undermine his financial position.

Then there is the six-year-long battle between the TTFF and 13 former national players, for financial rewards promised to them. Warner has publicly confirmed that, in the euphoria of qualifying for the 2006 World Cup, he did commit verbally to paying the bonuses to the players; and an independent arbitrator has determined that the aggrieved players must be paid. The only problem is that the huge sums of money collected for World Cup 2006 seems to have vanished!

Under pressure, Oliver Camps has told the local court that he, despite being no less than the TTFF President throughout the campaign and for six years after, is still clueless as to the amount of money raised in the Federations name leading up to the Finals in Germany.  He suggested that all questions about those accounts be directed to the Special Adviser. After Camps voluntary removal as its boss, the TTFF decided to sue the Special Adviser to get him to release its audited financial records for the period. Warner now has until April 4 (Wednesday) to deliver or defend himself in the PoS High Court. Finally, it seems, Jacks enemies have him where they want him.

Or so they say.

Brent Sancho, spokesman for the 13 players-plaintiffs, said in a February 16 Express story (p.52) that on October 17 last year Mr Warner signed an affidavit that he would give an account and assist in any way in terms of making this court case go along smoothly. I have news for Brent: giving an account is not the same as producing audited accounts. Warner must first acknowledge the Federations claim that he ultimately was responsible for the collection of funds and the accounting. And even if he should do so, it must be proven that the TTFF did indeed amass an estimated $40 million, made up of funds raised and bonuses received from FIFA for reaching the Finals.

Perhaps Sancho has not been hearing his own words. He said that Warner sent letters to the Federation indicating that he has no information for them, and that he (Warner) has given back (to the TTFF) everything that he had concerning football. So will the players receive the balance of payments the court has awarded? Will the missing funds be accounted for and returned for the benefit of T&T football? I wouldnt, if youll pardon the pun, bank on it.

In the absence of local records, FIFAs books will tell exactly how well the world governing body rewarded the TTFF, and in whose account the funds were placed. Remember, however, that FIFAs statutes forbid an affiliate country taking the umbrella body to court.

The key to resolving this entire imbroglio rests in the Presidents chair. Had Sepp Blatter been defeated in last years election, a new president would have posed a quite different challenge for certain interested parties. Instead, the 76-year-old Swiss remains entrenched and unmoving, plastering over all of FIFAs open sores with platitudes and promises. FIFA, to put it mildly, is a curiously-structured establishment; some would say it resembles a stack of cards. If Joseph H. Blatter were to allow the release of information exposing irregularities in his organisation, one suspects it would not only be his lieutenants that would come crashing down.

Indeed, proof that internal squabbles never escalate in that august body was there for all to see last year. When knives were drawn as the scandal at the Hyatt began to unravel, Jack went on international television to warn of a tsunami to come. But shortly after, on the eve of the election, he said effectively that Blatter was the best man for president; then he resigned all his posts and all investigations ceased. There has been no tsunami, and there are unlikely to be any disclosures coming out of Zurich.

That leads to another issue, one which has been raised in these pages before and which has returned to haunt the countrys football. For two decades, people in the right places have failed to ask: exactly what is a Special Adviser? To the best of this writers knowledge, no such post has ever existed, either in FIFAs management structure or its statutes.

For two decades, the administration of T&Ts football was heavily influenced by an ill-defined entity whose authority could neither be quantified or qualified. Without tangible evidence, one suspects, the courts can act on this case as decisively as a ghost can be killed by machine gunfire. So the former Warriors, having to pay legal counsel in the battle for their rights, may be hurtling toward a dead end. Sales of the furniture seized from Dundonald Street will not make a dent in their bills.

Which leaves the little matter of the future of the game. Lofty ideals and bold talk of getting football back on track followed Camps resignation. Like the words in Valentinos immortal calypso, there was much optimism about changes on the way. But the silence has been deafening since Lennox Watson, a vice-president under Camps, succeeded him in a swift and controversial election. Another decision saw marketing and other responsibilities being contracted out to All-Sport Promotions, an organisation that has also been long associated with the old administration. And then Anton Corneal, a man who, in the Warner/Camps era, was put in charge of several national youth teams and also served as apprentice under Leo Beenhakker and Francisco Maturana, was appointed Technical Director.

The sceptics say these developments are an indication that little has changed so far; that Watsons elevation to the presidency is merely a switch from the old man to one of his trusted lieutenants. They murmur in the background about the placement, in critical areas of power, of individuals who have long been favourites with the previous regime. So even the reactions have not changed; rather than come out into the open and address the problems, people who can make a difference are sulking in the corridors, just as they did when events were taking place that landed the sport in the doldrums where it lies today.

It is a fact that an animal is most dangerous when wounded as it will do whatever it must to survive. Time will reveal whether the machine guns have had any lasting effect.
Title: Re: Ashford Jackman speculates on the post-Warner scenario
Post by: Bakes on April 12, 2012, 06:23:38 AM
Quote
When a single man is allowed to wield the level of influence over a sport that Warner did for almost four decades, supported by a cast of unquestioning loyalists, rot and decadence are certain to set in.

So where was the media while all this was going on?  Who was asking the difficult questions then?

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In the absence of local records, FIFAs books will tell exactly how well the world governing body rewarded the TTFF, and in whose account the funds were placed. Remember, however, that FIFAs statutes forbid an affiliate country taking the umbrella body to court.

I also disagree with this... FIFA's "books" will only tell how much money FIFA disbursed to the TTFF, they will say nothing about the separate sponsorship deals brokered by the local Federation.  Whatever monies FIFA shared, we already know of, or have a fair accounting of, this is not news.  Thankfully, we also have a fair idea about sponsorships, since news of these made their way into the press as basis for celebration at the time of their agreement.... "TTFF Announces $X million sponsorship deal with Coca Cola", etc.  So no, we don't need to wait on FIFA and no need to entertain that speculative theories about having to sue the organization and house of cards falling down if they accede to demands.

Other than that, a very good analysis, and withering assessment of the major players.
Title: Re: Ashford Jackman speculates on the post-Warner scenario
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on April 12, 2012, 07:23:32 AM
Excellent read
Title: Re: Ashford Jackman speculates on the post-Warner scenario
Post by: Trini on April 12, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
Ditto, good piece
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: King Deese on May 02, 2012, 05:51:56 AM
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: fishs on May 02, 2012, 07:09:35 AM
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?

 Think is a mistake by the reporter should 3rd June
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: weary1969 on May 02, 2012, 09:16:10 AM
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?

Yep it is 2mor
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: dreamer on May 02, 2012, 06:04:13 PM
Watchin' very closely.
Piece ah nasty duttiness.
Title: Re: Warner and TTFF win more time in High Court
Post by: Football supporter on May 03, 2012, 06:28:37 AM
So tomorrow is suppose to be Mayday. So, what's up Judge Rampersad?

Yep it is 2mor

Think this may have been postponed for a week or two.
Title: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Tallman on May 03, 2012, 12:19:07 PM
Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)

 
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.

Legal representatives for the 13 aggrieved 2006 World Cup players filed an application for contempt proceedings against Camps, Groden and the TTFF at the High Court this morning.

The contempt charge is due to the TTFFs failure to file suit against its former agent and Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Jack Warner, who negotiated its World Cup bonus agreement with the Soca Warriors and also banked all revenue related to the FIFA tournament.

The TTFF has repeatedly insisted only Warner knows how much World Cup revenue was raised by Trinidad and Tobagos qualification for the showcase tournament in Germany and that Warner refuses to hand over the necessary accounting statements.

However, after High Court Judge Devindra Rampersad gave the TTFF an April 3 deadline to sue Warner, the football body claimed, on 4 April 2012, that it had not done so for fear that a suit may leave them vulnerable to its former special advisor who threatened to counter-sue.

The TTFFs explanation failed to win the sympathy of the Warriors.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: vb on May 03, 2012, 01:01:20 PM
A football federation that DOESN'T know how much money they have and how much was raised during the WC campaign.

And they want to keep their jobs.

I can only shake my head. What do we have to do to get rid of these people. :frustrated: :frustrated: ::) ::) :banginghead: :banginghead:

VB
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: FF on May 03, 2012, 02:14:54 PM
I cyah believe Groden and Camps go take de fall for Warner  :bs: dem is real imps


cue JH

Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Sam on May 03, 2012, 07:56:03 PM
Hang them high Warriors.

I just hope that not only Groden and Camps pay, but Jack to.

And I want to see jail time.

Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Big Magician on May 03, 2012, 11:15:15 PM
IT COMTEMPTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Brownsugar on May 04, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
IT COMTEMPTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


 :rotfl:

OK.  So time for another lesson in court proceedings.  I thought that filing a contempt of court charge meant that they would find dey tail in jail like the same day.  So what's this "they have until May 31st to respond" all about??

Also, I thought I read somewhere in one of these many threads on the topic that the players still had the option to sue Jack themselves??   ???  :-\

And what dem players waiting on to take Camps's house and car and pay cheque??  Camps and Groden good yes.  What a bunch of cowards.  And we wonder why the place in mess......with these people as "leaders" what dey leave the rest ah we to do??......

Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Cocorite on May 04, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
IT COMTEMPTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


 :rotfl:

OK.  So time for another lesson in court proceedings.  I thought that filing a contempt of court charge meant that they would find dey tail in jail like the same day.  So what's this "they have until May 31st to respond" all about??

Also, I thought I read somewhere in one of these many threads on the topic that the players still had the option to sue Jack themselves??   ???  :-\

And what dem players waiting on to take Camps's house and car and pay cheque??  Camps and Groden good yes.  What a bunch of cowards.  And we wonder why the place in mess......with these people as "leaders" what dey leave the rest ah we to do??......



My sentiments exactly
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: King Deese on May 04, 2012, 11:36:32 PM
King Corbeau Jack, protected by the Red, White and the Black.

The epitome of innocent until proven guilty.

Not even a opposition leader that calls himself a doctor, who is willing to take a high and mighty
woman prime minister to the integrity commission for, allegedly, wrongfully spending more than three quarters of a million dollars of so called, taxpayers funds, on a family member, thinks about taking the king corbeau to the same so called integrity commission to answer questions about the disappearance of $180 million dollars, and then some, of the same taxpayers funds, that he is so concerned about. If that is not Jack looking like the corbeau black, then I don't know what is.

Something is wrong with the country. Less you don't know, the people make the country, then it is safe to say that something is wrong with the educational and intellectual level of the people of the country. Where is the fight, where is the protest, to take back our communities from the criminals that institutionalize the law abiding citizens of our nation in their own homes. This lack of initiative is apparently obvious in our inability to shepherd a unity that gives birth to positive movement for change that is geared towards the platform that the current administration talked about.

Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Flex on May 05, 2012, 05:05:02 PM
I was informed from a close source that the players are beefing up their legal team some more with some English QC's to add to their current set of lawyers to give them the best possible chance to put certain officials behind bars.. The players are determined to see certain officials pay a heavy price for not paying their entitlement and accounting for tax payers money.

Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Bakes on May 05, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
I was informed from a close source that the players are beefing up their legal team some more with some English QC's to add to their current set of lawyers to give them the best possible chance to put certain officials behind bars.. The players are determined to see certain officials pay a heavy price for not paying their entitlement and accounting for tax payers money.



Yuh mean the current lawyers not doing a good enough job??  Nah... I find dat hard to believe.
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Cocorite on May 06, 2012, 05:50:12 PM
I was informed from a close source that the players are beefing up their legal team some more with some English QC's to add to their current set of lawyers to give them the best possible chance to put certain officials behind bars.. The players are determined to see certain officials pay a heavy price for not paying their entitlement and accounting for tax payers money.



Well something needs to be done if we as a people (nation) are to ever be taken seriously. I wonder if much of the inaction (seeming indifference) we tend to see in the T&T public, derives from their belief that they will get no where if they try. Wais de point? Jack go jes buy off de Judge . . .da, da, da

Anyway, hats off the Sancho and dem
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: dreamer on May 06, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
If yuh want to undastan' dah mentality of "Fellahs, yuh wastin' yuh time, Jackula (my breds) is untouchable. Sancho & dem is a bunch of jokers who trying to cause disunity in T&T and rock de boat dat have my good friends on it", then just ask Coops'. He can fully explain why Cocorite's concern of "something needs to be done if we as a people ..." is a concept leading to an exercise in futility .... according to his logic.
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: MEP on May 07, 2012, 08:49:26 AM
A football federation that DOESN'T know how much money they have and how much was raised during the WC campaign.

And they want to keep their jobs.

I can only shake my head. What do we have to do to get rid of these people. :frustrated: :frustrated: ::) ::) :banginghead: :banginghead:

VB

you did they are now running the government...
Title: TTFF still at Warners financial mercy.
Post by: Flex on May 08, 2012, 05:49:44 AM
TTFF still at Warners financial mercy.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).

 
The Integrity Commission, chaired by former media magnate Ken Gordon, might offer the best chance of halting the machinations of Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA vice president, Jack Warner.

Wired868.com, through local civic-minded groups Fixin' TT and the Transparency Institute, sent copies of an affidavit from Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary Richard Groden, which accused Warner of collecting bribe money from disgraced ex-Asian Football Confederation (AFC) president Mohamed Bin Hammam in his ministerial office and fraudulently representing the TTFF in FIFA matters.

If Groden felt, at the time, that Warner's days in public officers were numbered, he was mistaken.

Warner dusted off several scandals since his departure from FIFA last year in the wake of a bribery scandal and was recently re-elected chairman of the United National Congress (UNC)the dominant political party of the ruling People's Partnership coalition government.

The former TTFF Special Advisor left the football body virtually bankrupt and a leaked letter to Wired868 suggests Warner also tried to manipulate State funds, just two weeks ago, to bully the cash-strapped Federation.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/163-ttff-at-warners-financial-mercy)

Title: Re: TTFF still at Warners financial mercy.
Post by: Big Magician on May 08, 2012, 03:09:40 PM
good fuh we
Title: Re: TTFF still at Warners financial mercy.
Post by: weary1969 on May 09, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
good fuh we

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Jack Warner on I95.5 fm right now....
Post by: zuluwarrior on May 10, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
Gary Hunte and LASANA ON I95FM right now
Title: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2012, 04:28:05 AM
DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
By Richard Lord (Guardian).


Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard has ordered the termination of investigations into an alleged bribery scandal involving Works Minister Jack Warner in his former capacity as president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) during a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain, on May 10-11, 2011.

The DPPs ruling was conveyed in a letter from the Police Service Commission (PSC), dated May 7, to the Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley. He had written to the PSC last year requesting the matter be investigated by the police.

In his first public comment on the matter yesterday, Warner told the T&T Guardian: I guess that will make Fixin T&T and all my other detractors, including, Opposition MP Fitzgerald Hinds, very unhappy indeed.
 
Warner said the entire allegation was part of a deliberate campaign designed to demonise me by those who were opposed to me. He said he wont be distracted from his objective to serve the people of T&T as minister.

Warner then said he was very thankful to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for having kept the faith in me. Rowley was among those who publicly called for a police investigation into the allegation last year.

Under the caption: Bribery Allegations against Mr Jack Austin Warner and others at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain, on or about 10th and 11th May 2011, the letter stated in part: The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.

The letter was signed by Mrs A M Andrews, who is the secretary of the PSC, on behalf of the Director of Personnel Administration.
 
The letter also confirmed that the PSC received a response, by letter dated March 21, 2012 from the Commissioner of Police, on the said police investigations. The PSC said it received the letter on April 12, 2012.

A secret report by FIFAs Ethics Committee, which was published in Emglands Daily Telegraph, said there was comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence to support claims that Warner and former FIFA executive Mohamed Bin Hammam colluded to pay bribes to football officials in the Caribbean for their votes in the then upcoming FIFA presidential elections.

It was alleged that the bribes took place at the CFU meeting when delegates from 25 countries were offered US$40,000 each in cash to vote for Bin Hammam, who was challenging incumbent FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job.

Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA pending the completion of the scheduled hearing of the Ethics Committee. Warner subsequently resigned and his charges were dropped while Bin Hammam was found guilty and banned for life from FIFA.

Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: vb on May 29, 2012, 06:21:20 AM
I coulda swear I see a video where he tell everybody to take the money. He even make sure and ask if any journalists were in the room.

VB
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 29, 2012, 06:35:46 AM
And didn't some of his assistants testify they took some of the money back and he put it in his draw in his constituency office? And didn't Groden testify that Camps asked him to tell lies to FIFA about the bribes?

I guess there was not enough political will to aggressively investigate thouroughly.   
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2012, 08:01:52 AM
And didn't some of his assistants testify they took some of the money back and he put it in his draw in his constituency office? And didn't Groden testify that Camps asked him to tell lies to FIFA about the bribes?

I guess there was not enough political will to aggressively investigate thouroughly.   

Some ah allyuh need to pay closer attention:

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The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.

I don't pretend to speak for Gaspard, but note he never said that bribery never occurred.  As I have been stating all along, Jack committed no crime (assuming he did distribute the cash for votes)... this activity took place in his private role as a FIFA/football executive.  He would have had to pay or accept the bribe in some matter related to the performance of his role as a public official for there to be a crime.   What he did might be unethical, but it is not illegal. So all this shit talk about "political will to investigate" is just that.  I'm not at all surprised by any of this.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 29, 2012, 08:09:26 AM
And didn't some of his assistants testify they took some of the money back and he put it in his draw in his constituency office? And didn't Groden testify that Camps asked him to tell lies to FIFA about the bribes?

I guess there was not enough political will to aggressively investigate thouroughly.   

Some ah allyuh need to pay closer attention:

Quote
The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.

I don't pretend to speak for Gaspard, but note he never said that bribery never occurred.  As I have been stating all along, Jack committed no crime (assuming he did distribute the cash for votes)... this activity took place in his private role as a FIFA/football executive.  He would have had to pay or accept the bribe in some matter related to the performance of his role as a public official for there to be a crime.   What he did might be unethical, but it is not illegal. So all this shit talk about "political will to investigate" is just that.  I'm not at all surprised by any of this.

I guess, as you have said before, there's a big gulf between dodgy and illegal! Very frustrating, and of course, it doesn't mean there was no evidence, just not enough to warrant public spending with a slim chance of conviction.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: FF on May 29, 2012, 08:45:31 AM
I coulda swear I see a video where he tell everybody to take the money. He even make sure and ask if any journalists were in the room.

VB

and who playing pious could go and open a church
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Dutty on May 29, 2012, 09:16:23 AM
*steuuups*

I goin an start printin up some 'jack will raise again' t-shirts oui
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 29, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
*steuuups*

I goin an start printin up some 'jack will raise again' t-shirts oui

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: royal on May 29, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
*steuuups*

I goin an start printin up some 'jack will raise again' t-shirts oui

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

nice one, and yuh already know who buying one first 
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: King Deese on May 29, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
What is bribery?

In some countries it is considered a criminal act and in other countries it is considered legal. The forms that bribery take are too numerous to mention, but in most cases if not all, the briber holds a powerful role and controls the transacion.

According to the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption of the Council of Europe, bribery can be considered as:

(I) the promising, offering, requesting, receiving, or giving by any person, directly or indirectly, of any undue advantage (to any public official or by any public official) for himself, or herself, or for anyone else, or the acceptance of offer or a promise of such an advantage, to act or refrain from acting in the exercise of his or her functions.

Yes, the DPP may have cleared you because the Commissioner of Police dropped the investigation into your bribery charges, but the stench of corruption is still hanging over your head like a dark cloud and everytime you open your mouth shit comes out. You may feel vindicated by a police service that is either incompetent or just lazy and unprofessional and a DPP office that is mired in corruption cases that haven't been solved since Jesus was a baby and grateful for a PM for having faith in you, a PM who sees you as God's gift to politics in Trinidad, but you were guilty of influence peddling and in some countries that carries serious consequences.

You are not vindicated you are fortunate.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
What is bribery?

In some countries it is considered a criminal act and in other countries it is considered legal. The forms that bribery take are too numerous to mention, but in most cases if not all, the briber holds a powerful role and controls the transacion.

According to the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption of the Council of Europe, bribery can be considered as:

(I) the promising, offering, requesting, receiving, or giving by any person, directly or indirectly, of any undue advantage (to any public official or by any public official) for himself, or herself, or for anyone else, or the acceptance of offer or a promise of such an advantage, to act or refrain from acting in the exercise of his or her functions.

Yes, the DPP may have cleared you because the Commissioner of Police dropped the investigation into your bribery charges, but the stench of corruption is still hanging over your head like a dark cloud and everytime you open your mouth shit comes out. You may feel vindicated by a police service that is either incompetent or just lazy and unprofessional and a DPP office that is mired in corruption cases that haven't been solved since Jesus was a baby and grateful for a PM for having faith in you, a PM who sees you as God's gift to politics in Trinidad, but you were guilty of influence peddling and in some countries that carries serious consequences.

You are not vindicated you are fortunate.

Some ah allyuh does really test people patience yes.  For starters the DPP's office didn't clear Jack b/c the Police Commissioner dropped the case.  The Police Service takes instructions from the DPP, not the other way around.  The DPP saw that there was no evidence of a crime having been committed and instructed the police to don't bother wasn't time continuing the investigation. Silly also to suggest that this outcome was influenced by the DPP's office being "mired in corruption cases."

Some ah allyuh just need to accept that the alleged cash for votes exchange was not a crime.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: King Deese on May 29, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
What is bribery?

In some countries it is considered a criminal act and in other countries it is considered legal. The forms that bribery take are too numerous to mention, but in most cases if not all, the briber holds a powerful role and controls the transacion.

According to the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption of the Council of Europe, bribery can be considered as:

(I) the promising, offering, requesting, receiving, or giving by any person, directly or indirectly, of any undue advantage (to any public official or by any public official) for himself, or herself, or for anyone else, or the acceptance of offer or a promise of such an advantage, to act or refrain from acting in the exercise of his or her functions.

Yes, the DPP may have cleared you because the Commissioner of Police dropped the investigation into your bribery charges, but the stench of corruption is still hanging over your head like a dark cloud and everytime you open your mouth shit comes out. You may feel vindicated by a police service that is either incompetent or just lazy and unprofessional and a DPP office that is mired in corruption cases that haven't been solved since Jesus was a baby and grateful for a PM for having faith in you, a PM who sees you as God's gift to politics in Trinidad, but you were guilty of influence peddling and in some countries that carries serious consequences.

You are not vindicated you are fortunate.

Some ah allyuh does really test people patience yes.  For starters the DPP's office didn't clear Jack b/c the Police Commissioner dropped the case.  The Police Service takes instructions from the DPP, not the other way around.  The DPP saw that there was no evidence of a crime having been committed and instructed the police to don't bother wasn't time continuing the investigation. Silly also to suggest that this outcome was influenced by the DPP's office being "mired in corruption
 cases."

Some ah allyuh just need to accept that the alleged cash for votes exchange was not a crime.


Buckle up your seat belt boss and be patient because I intend to test your patience, over and over, and I can be very silly, you don't know the half of it, but if that tests your patience as well then that is nice to know. Don't end up as one if the patients in St. Ann's.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: soccerrama on May 29, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
Just heard on i95.5fm that the DPP did not clear Jack, what he indicated was that what was presented to him was threadbare and as such not sufficent for him to prefer charges, however he directed the investigators to the Customs Laws of the country, so now what we have to find out from the investigators is whether they followed the direction of the DPP.
It would have been a little tricky to get the bribery charge but it would have been easy to find out whether the huge amount of cash was declared, because we know that the money entered the Country as persons have testified that they were given the cash whether as a bribe or a gift.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Touches on May 29, 2012, 11:42:33 AM
But what we don't know was if the cash that was distributed was brought into the country by Bin Hamman himself.

Jack self coulda get the cash for him through whatever means down here and no laws could have been broken.

What is the issue? That Bin Hamman give away money? That if he did walk with it in a suitcase after hopping off his private jet he was supposed to tick the lil box at the back of the immigration form and say Yeah I declaring this?

Breds them men operating in a different world, they ent chupid and in this "nayshun" they above the law.

That amount of cash while big for some of us is chump change to others.

They have man with that and more in they mattress put down.

Again nothing will come to it, Jack done get his lettuce leaf whipping already.

I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.



Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 29, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
But what we don't know was if the cash that was distributed was brought into the country by Bin Hamman himself.

Jack self coulda get the cash for him through whatever means down here and no laws could have been broken.

What is the issue? That Bin Hamman give away money? That if he did walk with it in a suitcase after hopping off his private jet he was supposed to tick the lil box at the back of the immigration form and say Yeah I declaring this?

Breds them men operating in a different world, they ent chupid and in this "nayshun" they above the law.

That amount of cash while big for some of us is chump change to others.

They have man with that and more in they mattress put down.

Again nothing will come to it, Jack done get his lettuce leaf whipping already.

I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.





And thats the sad thing. Imagine how powerful T&T could be if Jack had stayed clear of these accusations and was a respected international political leader? Maybe Jack has lived well, but think how much better the people of T&T could be living. Real waste of talent and intelligence.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: diamondtrim on May 29, 2012, 04:57:29 PM
But what we don't know was if the cash that was distributed was brought into the country by Bin Hamman himself.

Jack self coulda get the cash for him through whatever means down here and no laws could have been broken.

What is the issue? That Bin Hamman give away money? That if he did walk with it in a suitcase after hopping off his private jet he was supposed to tick the lil box at the back of the immigration form and say Yeah I declaring this?

Breds them men operating in a different world, they ent chupid and in this "nayshun" they above the law.

That amount of cash while big for some of us is chump change to others.

They have man with that and more in they mattress put down.

Again nothing will come to it, Jack done get his lettuce leaf whipping already.

I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.





Great post!!!!
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Jack Horner on May 29, 2012, 06:04:25 PM
Where you guys expecting something different ?

Jack owns T&T, believe it or not. The 06 Warriors will find out soon too.

Jack will raise again !!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Wired868 examines Warners police acquittal.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).


There was good and bad news for me today in my professional and personal capacity as a sport writer and football fan.

Lets get the bad news out of the way first.

The Wired868 online newspaper apparently has a superior investigative team than the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and is more articulate than the Police Service Commission (PSC).

I will attempt to support those two claims later but let me start by bringing you up to speed.

Yesterday, the PSC issued a press release to the old media regarding investigations of bribery allegations against Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President, Jack Warner.

The PSC, which is chaired by Ramesh Deosoran, wanted the public to know that Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs will take no further action against Warner on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard based on the report given by Gibbs himself.

I hope you did not try to read that aloud while chewing; it was a mouthful.

The aforementioned statement turned out to be all the PSC felt needed to be said on this matter. The biggest international scandal to involve a senior Cabinet Minister in this millennium was treated as flippantly as a broken pipe in Morvant.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/178-wired868-examines-warners-police-acquittal)

Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 29, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
Silly old Lasana! Didn't you hear Kamla last Thursday clearly say that this Government promotes transparency and integrity in public offices? Mr Liburd, you really have to listen better!
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2012, 08:05:12 PM
DPP denies closing Warner case.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard denied absolving Works Minister and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner of blame in last years international bribery scandal and said he did not ask the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service to close its investigations into the Chaguanas West MP.

Rather, Gaspard criticised the police for providing him with thread bare information and material on the Warner case.

"There is nothing in it for me to suggest or to see any contravention of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago," Gaspard wrote to the investigating officer, as revealed by CANA News, "that could mean that you need to go further with the investigation because what they supplied to me was insufficient...

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/179-dpp-denies-closing-warner-case)

 
Title: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: SWF Reporter on May 29, 2012, 08:08:08 PM
DPP denies closing Warner case.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).


Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard denied absolving Works Minister and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner of blame in last years international bribery scandal and said he did not ask the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service to close its investigations into the Chaguanas West MP.

Rather, Gaspard criticised the police for providing him with thread bare information and material on the Warner case.

"There is nothing in it for me to suggest or to see any contravention of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago," Gaspard wrote to the investigating officer, as revealed by CANA News, "that could mean that you need to go further with the investigation because what they supplied to me was insufficient...

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/179-dpp-denies-closing-warner-case)

Title: Wired868 examines Warners police acquittal
Post by: SWF Reporter on May 29, 2012, 08:12:09 PM
Wired868 examines Warners police acquittal.
By: Lasana Liburd (wired868).


There was good and bad news for me today in my professional and personal capacity as a sport writer and football fan.

Lets get the bad news out of the way first.

The Wired868 online newspaper apparently has a superior investigative team than the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and is more articulate than the Police Service Commission (PSC).

I will attempt to support those two claims later but let me start by bringing you up to speed.

Yesterday, the PSC issued a press release to the old media regarding investigations of bribery allegations against Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President, Jack Warner.

The PSC, which is chaired by Ramesh Deosoran, wanted the public to know that Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs will take no further action against Warner on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard based on the report given by Gibbs himself.

I hope you did not try to read that aloud while chewing; it was a mouthful.

The aforementioned statement turned out to be all the PSC felt needed to be said on this matter. The biggest international scandal to involve a senior Cabinet Minister in this millennium was treated as flippantly as a broken pipe in Morvant.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/178-wired868-examines-warners-police-acquittal)

Title: Re: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: Bourbon on May 29, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
Dis blasted PNM DPP
Title: Re: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: weary1969 on May 29, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
Dis blasted PNM DPP

ENT
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: weary1969 on May 29, 2012, 08:38:15 PM
I coulda swear I see a video where he tell everybody to take the money. He even make sure and ask if any journalists were in the room.

VB

and who playing pious could go and open a church

ENTT
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2012, 08:41:45 PM
And thats the sad thing. Imagine how powerful T&T could be if Jack had stayed clear of these accusations and was a respected international political leader? Maybe Jack has lived well, but think how much better the people of T&T could be living. Real waste of talent and intelligence.

Your antipathy towards Jack Warner has clouded your objectivity.  If you really think Trinidad is any less "powerful" because of this scandal then I have a bridge to sell you.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: weary1969 on May 29, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
FROM DAY ZERO I have been saying that d case was 4 d non discloseure of d money. D fact that Gibbs etal ignored that meant they had no intention of doin Jack anything. All he needed 2 investigate was how d money came all Jack had 2 prove it was a wire transfer and case close. As Lasana say we more thorough than d TTPS and Deosoran and his peeps.
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: King Deese on May 29, 2012, 09:31:34 PM
Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)

 
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
:-[ :Police: :Police: :Police: :waiting: :Police:
Title: Re: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: E-man on May 29, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
Express (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/JACK_NOT__CLEARED-155553915.html) and Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-05-30/dpp-i-did-not-clear-warner) have now followed up on this.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 29, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
And that's the sad thing. Imagine how powerful T&T could be if Jack had stayed clear of these accusations and was a respected international political leader? Maybe Jack has lived well, but think how much better the people of T&T could be living. Real waste of talent and intelligence.

Your antipathy towards Jack Warner has clouded your objectivity.  If you really think Trinidad is any less "powerful" because of this scandal then I have a bridge to sell you.

I say that on the basis of discussions with international business people, most recently at the Caribbean Investment Forum. These people are confused. Ministers like Steven Cadiz are doing a fantastic job to open up new opportunities in diverse enterprises and the same people who are being told that T&T is a safe investment then read that the acting prime minister (a position that is usually bestowed on a politician when the existing prime minister is either disposed or dead) is involved in financial scandals. Whether he's innocent or not  does not matter, its the image it projects that shakes the confidence of investors. Yes, other countries suffer the same embarrassments, but they usually deal with them by removing the person in question. No sane person can argue that Jack does not bring embarrassment to this nation, even if he is proved innocent. There is just too much bacchanal associated with Jack.

I'm not sure apathy is the right word. I'm just saddened that his ability to advance T&T has been diminished by his involvement in various incidents.

And I would be interested in purchasing Tower Bridge (not the London Bridge that the yanks bought by mistake!)
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on May 29, 2012, 11:32:33 PM
I say that on the basis of discussions with international business people, most recently at the Caribbean Investment Forum. These people are confused. Ministers like Steven Cadiz are doing a fantastic job to open up new opportunities in diverse enterprises and the same people who are being told that T&T is a safe investment then read that the acting prime minister (a position that is usually bestowed on a politician when the existing prime minister is either disposed or dead) is involved in financial scandals. Whether he's innocent or not  does not matter, its the image it projects that shakes the confidence of investors. Yes, other countries suffer the same embarrassments, but they usually deal with them by removing the person in question. No sane person can argue that Jack does not bring embarrassment to this nation, even if he is proved innocent. There is just too much bacchanal associated with Jack.

I'm not sure apathy is the right word. I'm just saddened that his ability to advance T&T has been diminished by his involvement in various incidents.

And I would be interested in purchasing Tower Bridge (not the London Bridge that the yanks bought by mistake!)

Yes... and investors are scared away from TnT because of Jack Warner... okay, lol
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 29, 2012, 11:59:14 PM
I say that on the basis of discussions with international business people, most recently at the Caribbean Investment Forum. These people are confused. Ministers like Steven Cadiz are doing a fantastic job to open up new opportunities in diverse enterprises and the same people who are being told that T&T is a safe investment then read that the acting prime minister (a position that is usually bestowed on a politician when the existing prime minister is either disposed or dead) is involved in financial scandals. Whether he's innocent or not  does not matter, its the image it projects that shakes the confidence of investors. Yes, other countries suffer the same embarrassments, but they usually deal with them by removing the person in question. No sane person can argue that Jack does not bring embarrassment to this nation, even if he is proved innocent. There is just too much bacchanal associated with Jack.

I'm not sure apathy is the right word. I'm just saddened that his ability to advance T&T has been diminished by his involvement in various incidents.

And I would be interested in purchasing Tower Bridge (not the London Bridge that the yanks bought by mistake!)

Yes... and investors are scared away from TnT because of Jack Warner... okay, lol

Bakes, I'm not saying thats the only reason, and I'm not saying that every investor has run for the hills. But believe me, it does have an impact. This is not just me saying this, its people in industry. T&T's ratings in the transparency international corruption index has fallen to 91st. Obviously, Calder Hart and CLICO have a big influence in that, but they are in the past. Jack is here today. You know well enough that most investment is based on confidence, and those outside T&T who see regular references to Jack are concerned. If they had to chose between T&T and another country with similar advantages, maybe its enough to dissuade them from T&T.

Other countries have corruption, of course they do, but when someone wants to invest billions (and have to justify that to their investors) perhaps it makes them think twice when these public scandals are not properly dealt with. Sometimes they will decide that the potential rewards are worth the risk, sometimes they won't.

I know you think I have a Warner fixation (and maybe I have) but you must admit that Jacks antics, and the failure of the Govt to distance themselves, has a less than positive effect.
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: vb on May 30, 2012, 03:46:08 AM
A football federation that DOESN'T know how much money they have and how much was raised during the WC campaign.

And they want to keep their jobs.

I can only shake my head. What do we have to do to get rid of these people. :frustrated: :frustrated: ::) ::) :banginghead: :banginghead:

VB

you did they are now running the government...


I did.....what???
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 30, 2012, 06:14:48 AM

I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.

Ah want to believe that this is what fellas like Diamondtrim, Jack a$$ Horner and mih cousin in Diego does applaud.  Dey know he is a blasted crook, but he real good, so far, at covering his tracks.   And we wonder why the place in a mess.   We applauding when the crook get away.  Ah feel it have something to do with the fact he is a "successful" black man.

I black too and he is a blasted shame not just to the black race, to the human race......*spits on him* nasty, stinking, dutty vampire.....

Edit:

FS, I just realised you and I zeroed in on the exact same thing in Touches' post.  Great minds think alike..... ;) ;D
Title: Re: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: Brownsugar on May 30, 2012, 06:38:04 AM
This whole thing reminded me of a comment I made when I heard that Jackula was now on the National security council.

"Now he will know when the police coming for him....."

Well not that it wasn't hard for him before but a seat at the table is even better.   On a related note, I saw a TnT Mirror headline yesterday that read

"Warner for Minister of National Security"......wrt to Kamla's upcoming "realignment" of cabinet......well I hope the Mirror wrong like an O yes cuz.....if things weren't bad enough.....

Then again, maybe its better to put a crook to catch the bad guys.....he goh be one step ahead of them.......he seems to have mastered that to good effect, so far.....
Title: Re: Wired868 examines Warners police acquittal
Post by: SWF Reporter on May 30, 2012, 06:40:39 AM
UPDATED STORY:

Wired868 examines Warners supposed police acquittal
... Gibbs, Warner and the PSC deserve sanction
By Lasana Liburd (www.wired868.com)


Trinidad and Tobago's national security bodies revealed a new low this week in terms of organisation, investigative work, communication and, arguably, credibility.

Minister of Works and Infrastructure and ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner was at the heart of the chaos.

On Monday, the PSC issued a press release which claimed that investigations into bribery allegations against Warner, arising from the scandalous 2011 FIFA presidential elections, had been closed for the past two months.

The PSC, which is chaired by Ramesh Deosoran, informed the public that Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs will take no further action against Warner on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard based on the report given by Gibbs himself.

Gaspard  subsequently denied ever offering such advice.

The PSC release also included several dates, which only further muddied the waters.

The Police Commissioner apparently sent a letter to the PSC on 21 March 2012 informing the latter body that the case was closed.

Coincidentally, on 20 March 2012, I contacted Warner based on new information received on this same case.

Wired868 received a copy of an affidavit sworn by Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) General Secretary Richard Groden, which alleged that he handed Warner an envelope containing a US$40,000 (TTS$243,200) bribe from another former FIFA VP, Mohamed bin Hammam, at his ministerial office and saw him place it in a drawer. Groden also accused Warner of fraudulently representing the TTFF.

So, on March 20, Wired868 asked Warner (among other questions):
"Did you use your post as Transport Minister to facilitate the flow of this money into or out of the country? Did you receive US$40,000 from Richard Groden at your Government office last year? If so, what did you do with the money?"

Warner did not respond and, on March 22, Wired868 published: TTFF Secretary accuses Warner of collecting bribe.

But, unknown to us, Commissioner Gibbs allegedly sought to close the case between the time of our letter to Warner and publication of our exclusive report with new information.

Five days after Gibbs' alleged bizarre misinterpretation of Gaspard's advice, Warner was officially appointed to the National Security Council (NSC) on which the Canada-born Police Commissioner is a fellow board member.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/178-wired868-examines-warners-police-acquittal)

Title: Re: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: elan on May 30, 2012, 09:49:51 AM
Anyone noticed this (http://http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-05-30/giant-waterfront-flag-costs-88000) under the Guardian article?
Title: Re: DPP denies closing warner case
Post by: Bourbon on May 30, 2012, 10:40:25 AM
Anyone noticed this (http://http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-05-30/giant-waterfront-flag-costs-88000) under the Guardian article?

Too easy.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: diamondtrim on May 30, 2012, 03:14:52 PM

I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.

Ah want to believe that this is what fellas like Diamondtrim, Jack a$$ Horner and mih cousin in Diego does applaud.   Dey know he is a blasted crook, but he real good, so far, at covering his tracks.   And we wonder why the place in a mess.   We applauding when the crook get away.  Ah feel it have something to do with the fact he is a "successful" black man.

I black too and he is a blasted shame not just to the black race, to the human race......*spits on him* nasty, stinking, dutty vampire.....

Edit:

FS, I just realised you and I zeroed in on the exact same thing in Touches' post.  Great minds think alike..... ;) ;D

Sugar...its not that I applaud JW's alleged crookedness....in fact, in most scenarios I frown upon it; the stark reality of the matter is that I applaud Jack's machinations in a world that very few of us comprehend, far less manoeuvre in.

To assume, or even hope, that such machinations should be premised on honesty or a high degree of morality, is to be naive, ignorant and innocent...traits that do not serve one in good stead in the aforementioned world.

I've long indicated that JW should be applauded for his ascended position in the most powerful organisation on earth, his contribution to CONCACAF and CFU, and his unwavering committment to the upward social and financial mobility of himself and family. How he achieved such is a matter for an entirely different debate.

Some footballers use skill, others strength and some speed of thought. Whether these skillsets produce the desired results is entirely up to them. We can sit on the sideline and deride JW and berate him for his percieved thievery.....but the irrefutable fact is that he has only been tried in the court of public opinion, and the punishment for such a conviction is apparently political power. When JW has been deinitively proven to be what most of the forumites believe him to be, and not the subject of vendettas, innuendo, and accusations from spurned professional lovers, only then will I refer to him as crook, bandit, thief etc...........
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on May 30, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
frown on it?  fawn over it?  which is it?

JAck is ah f**king bandit and only in T&T is he canonized, other places he would have been shot out of a f**king cannon!

Jack Warner is no damn Robin Hood..he is a damn Bernie Madoff
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 30, 2012, 10:55:09 PM

When JW has been deinitively proven to be what most of the forumites believe him to be, and not the subject of vendettas, innuendo, and accusations from spurned professional lovers, only then will I refer to him as crook, bandit, thief etc...........

 ...and only when Barack Obama could produce referal letters and eyewitness accounts from the other babies that were in the hospital nursery with him when he was born, would some of the "birthers" begin to believe he is American. 
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 30, 2012, 11:05:08 PM
frown on it?  fawn over it?  which is it?

JAck is ah f**king bandit and only in T&T is he canonized, other places he would have been shot out of a f**king cannon!  :rotfl:

Jack Warner is no damn Robin Hood..he is a damn Bernie Madoff
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: diamondtrim on May 31, 2012, 04:22:38 AM
frown on it?  fawn over it?  which is it?

JAck is ah f**king bandit and only in T&T is he canonized, other places he would have been shot out of a f**king cannon!

Jack Warner is no damn Robin Hood..he is a damn Bernie Madoff

JW is canonized in T&T? That's news to me.

That he is a Bernie Madoff is a poor statement, rooted in personal dislike for the man. Understandable, but ignorant nevertheless.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on May 31, 2012, 07:24:23 AM
steups is either you like to hear your own voice, see yuh own writing or yuh is as dumb as ah tick stuck in a cow's ass!

Yuh never hear how hard wukking he is, how he is de only one dat does get things done?  He does never take pay///only 1 dollar and de rest is fuh chagunas peeps?  He is ah indian god!  He is de second coming ah Hanum,an de hindu monkey god?

Wy you living?  Or if yuh abroad do you read or hear what goes on in T&T?

On de Bernie Madoff crack, yuh right, Jack is ah Jesse James, not ah Bernie Madoff I stand corrected.

And yeah dis morning instead ah deodorant, I roll on Ignorant

Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on May 31, 2012, 07:25:30 AM
Oh bottom line..he eh get cleared ah shit remember..is jes poor policing and political shenanigans dat have he bumping he f**king  gums.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on May 31, 2012, 07:29:34 AM
DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
By Richard Lord (Guardian).


Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard has ordered the termination of investigations into an alleged bribery scandal involving Works Minister Jack Warner in his former capacity as president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) during a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain, on May 10-11, 2011.

The DPPs ruling was conveyed in a letter from the Police Service Commission (PSC), dated May 7, to the Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley. He had written to the PSC last year requesting the matter be investigated by the police.

In his first public comment on the matter yesterday, Warner told the T&T Guardian: I guess that will make Fixin T&T and all my other detractors, including, Opposition MP Fitzgerald Hinds, very unhappy indeed.
 
Warner said the entire allegation was part of a deliberate campaign designed to demonise me by those who were opposed to me. He said he wont be distracted from his objective to serve the people of T&T as minister.

Warner then said he was very thankful to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for having kept the faith in me. Rowley was among those who publicly called for a police investigation into the allegation last year.

Under the caption: Bribery Allegations against Mr Jack Austin Warner and others at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain, on or about 10th and 11th May 2011, the letter stated in part: The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.

The letter was signed by Mrs A M Andrews, who is the secretary of the PSC, on behalf of the Director of Personnel Administration.
 
The letter also confirmed that the PSC received a response, by letter dated March 21, 2012 from the Commissioner of Police, on the said police investigations. The PSC said it received the letter on April 12, 2012.

A secret report by FIFAs Ethics Committee, which was published in Emglands Daily Telegraph, said there was comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence to support claims that Warner and former FIFA executive Mohamed Bin Hammam colluded to pay bribes to football officials in the Caribbean for their votes in the then upcoming FIFA presidential elections.

It was alleged that the bribes took place at the CFU meeting when delegates from 25 countries were offered US$40,000 each in cash to vote for Bin Hammam, who was challenging incumbent FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job.

Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA pending the completion of the scheduled hearing of the Ethics Committee. Warner subsequently resigned and his charges were dropped while Bin Hammam was found guilty and banned for life from FIFA.



Apparently, Gaspard's memo to Superintendent Dookie who carried out the investigation, described it as "threadbare" and therefore, based on the evidence provided, could not discern any indications that T&T laws had been broken. However, he said it "may" be necessary to investigate if there had been any breach of the customs act chapter 78.1.

Because Gibbs basically made a statement that misled the public, an investigation of Gibbs' actions should be conducted by PSC, particularly as the person investigated is of such prominence and was appointed to the National Security Council, alongside Gibbs, during the investigation.
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on May 31, 2012, 08:05:43 AM
DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
By Richard Lord (Guardian).


Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard has ordered the termination of investigations into an alleged bribery scandal involving Works Minister Jack Warner in his former capacity as president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) during a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain, on May 10-11, 2011.

The DPPs ruling was conveyed in a letter from the Police Service Commission (PSC), dated May 7, to the Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley. He had written to the PSC last year requesting the matter be investigated by the police.

In his first public comment on the matter yesterday, Warner told the T&T Guardian: I guess that will make Fixin T&T and all my other detractors, including, Opposition MP Fitzgerald Hinds, very unhappy indeed.
 
Warner said the entire allegation was part of a deliberate campaign designed to demonise me by those who were opposed to me. He said he wont be distracted from his objective to serve the people of T&T as minister.

Warner then said he was very thankful to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for having kept the faith in me. Rowley was among those who publicly called for a police investigation into the allegation last year.

Under the caption: Bribery Allegations against Mr Jack Austin Warner and others at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain, on or about 10th and 11th May 2011, the letter stated in part: The Commissioner of Police informed that the matter was investigated by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and on the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions, no further can be taken in this matter.

The letter was signed by Mrs A M Andrews, who is the secretary of the PSC, on behalf of the Director of Personnel Administration.
 
The letter also confirmed that the PSC received a response, by letter dated March 21, 2012 from the Commissioner of Police, on the said police investigations. The PSC said it received the letter on April 12, 2012.

A secret report by FIFAs Ethics Committee, which was published in Emglands Daily Telegraph, said there was comprehensive, convincing and overwhelming evidence to support claims that Warner and former FIFA executive Mohamed Bin Hammam colluded to pay bribes to football officials in the Caribbean for their votes in the then upcoming FIFA presidential elections.

It was alleged that the bribes took place at the CFU meeting when delegates from 25 countries were offered US$40,000 each in cash to vote for Bin Hammam, who was challenging incumbent FIFA president Sepp Blatter for the top job.

Warner and Bin Hammam were suspended from FIFA pending the completion of the scheduled hearing of the Ethics Committee. Warner subsequently resigned and his charges were dropped while Bin Hammam was found guilty and banned for life from FIFA.



Apparently, Gaspard's memo to Superintendent Dookie who carried out the investigation, described it as "threadbare" and therefore, based on the evidence provided, could not discern any indications that T&T laws had been broken. However, he said it "may" be necessary to investigate if there had been any breach of the customs act chapter 78.1.

Because Gibbs basically made a statement that misled the public, an investigation of Gibbs' actions should be conducted by PSC, particularly as the person investigated is of such prominence and was appointed to the National Security Council, alongside Gibbs, during the investigation.

Absolutely agree.  It has always been clear to me that Gibbs is a political rag...the government have been wiping their asses with him and he is content to lap up the shit for a Caribbean holiday!

He does nothing but collect pay and sit under the proverbial coconut trees drinking local rum!
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Coop's on May 31, 2012, 01:51:36 PM
Groden, Camps served for contempt…Warner’s lawyers keep close watch
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)

 
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
:-[ :Police: :Police: :Police: :waiting: :Police:

       :waiting: :waiting: :waiting:  :yawning: :justkidding: :justkidding: :justkidding:
Title: Re: Groden, Camps served for contemptWarners lawyers keep close watch
Post by: Football supporter on May 31, 2012, 02:55:56 PM
Groden, Camps served for contempt…Warner’s lawyers keep close watch
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)

 
Richard Groden and Oliver Camps, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) general secretary and former president respectively, have been served for contempt of court and must respond in writing to the Port of High Spain High Court by 31 May 2012.

READ MORE... (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/157-warriors-serve-camps-and-groden-for-contempt)
:-[ :Police: :Police: :Police: :waiting: :Police:

       :waiting: :waiting: :waiting:  :yawning: :justkidding: :justkidding: :justkidding:

Why are you waiting? the High Court doesn't give press releases every time it receives a document! And much of what it does receive cannot be released to the public. At the hearing in July, everyone will know the outcome!
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 01, 2012, 03:02:48 PM

I know it might sound like I defending Jack, far from it...but you should step back, admire and be amazed at a master tactician/smart man at work. I ent think the world has seen nuttin quite like he. The man real good.

Ah want to believe that this is what fellas like Diamondtrim, Jack a$$ Horner and mih cousin in Diego does applaud.   Dey know he is a blasted crook, but he real good, so far, at covering his tracks.   And we wonder why the place in a mess.   We applauding when the crook get away.  Ah feel it have something to do with the fact he is a "successful" black man.

I black too and he is a blasted shame not just to the black race, to the human race......*spits on him* nasty, stinking, dutty vampire.....

Edit:

FS, I just realised you and I zeroed in on the exact same thing in Touches' post.  Great minds think alike..... ;) ;D

Sugar...its not that I applaud JW's alleged crookedness....in fact, in most scenarios I frown upon it; the stark reality of the matter is that I applaud Jack's machinations in a world that very few of us comprehend, far less manoeuvre in.

To assume, or even hope, that such machinations should be premised on honesty or a high degree of morality, is to be naive, ignorant and innocent...traits that do not serve one in good stead in the aforementioned world.

I've long indicated that JW should be applauded for his ascended position in the most powerful organisation on earth, his contribution to CONCACAF and CFU, and his unwavering committment to the upward social and financial mobility of himself and family. How he achieved such is a matter for an entirely different debate.

Some footballers use skill, others strength and some speed of thought. Whether these skillsets produce the desired results is entirely up to them. We can sit on the sideline and deride JW and berate him for his percieved thievery.....but the irrefutable fact is that he has only been tried in the court of public opinion, and the punishment for such a conviction is apparently political power. When JW has been deinitively proven to be what most of the forumites believe him to be, and not the subject of vendettas, innuendo, and accusations from spurned professional lovers, only then will I refer to him as crook, bandit, thief etc...........

Diamondtrim, I was going to fashion a lengthy response but......steups!!  Mih eh have patience with nonsense.......so we goh have to stand on opposing sides of this issue for the forseeable future......
Title: Re: DPP clears Jack of CFU bribery charges.
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 01, 2012, 05:43:02 PM
Jack Warner for Minister oF National Security and crime would not surley go down.

Trinbago would'nt be like how we use to know it anymore , dont worry Jack would fix it and if he cant he would get help from Colombia and Mexico they are waiting to help us.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Tallman on June 06, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
CLICK HERE (http://www.socawarriors.net/phocadownload/documents/legal/groden_supplemental_affirmation.pdf) to download a copy of Groden's supplemental affirmation.
Courtesy of Wired868
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Football supporter on June 06, 2012, 01:36:01 PM
This was why Lasana was so vexed about Gibbs saying the investigation cleared Warner and the DPP saying evidence was threadbare.

Although this is an affidavit to FIFA, it is still written testimony that can be repeated to the police. Coupled with the video evidence and the statements made by the two Trini CFU employees (Debbie & Jason??) there must be more than enough to enter into a full investigation.

Everyone keeps blaming the police and the government, but the people are letting this happen. I honestly don't know how citizens can force the issue when clearly, there is no political will to end corruption. The press and media just let things slide, but somehow the people's attention must be focused on these areas. Nobody is even attempting to hide this misuse of power.

I also heard today that every single appointment to government boards has gone to an Indian. Maybe this is on merit, but you have to wonder. And all of the people who had press columns and repeatedly criticised the PNM government have received government appointments since the election, leaving a void in press criticism of the new government.
Title: Re: Groden accuses Warner of fraud
Post by: Bourbon on June 06, 2012, 05:29:09 PM

Everyone keeps blaming the police and the government, but the people are letting this happen. I honestly don't know how citizens can force the issue when clearly, there is no political will to end corruption. The press and media just let things slide, but somehow the people's attention must be focused on these areas. Nobody is even attempting to hide this misuse of power.



That there is the crux of the matter

Oh well...say what...

http://www.youtube.com/v/5QjxALN9WQA
Title: The house that Jack built
Post by: Football supporter on June 06, 2012, 08:12:06 PM
The house that Jack built.
By Kirk .A. Inniss (wired868).


This is the farmer sowing the corn / that kept the cock that crowed in the morn...

Some people are born indispensable; other achieve indispensability and still others have indispensability thrust upon them.

There is no way to know for certain, beyond any reasonable doubt even, which category Jack Austin Warner falls into.

Who can say for sure, with little or no chance of successful contradiction, what were Uncle Jack's true intentions decades ago before he ended up on the business end of football?

Maybe the farmer sowing the corn intended to use the grain to feed the many cocks that crowed in the Caribbean morn, to make Caribbean football slowly, over time, the gem of the sporting world.

Maybe he did have aspirations to take an entire region, physically small enough to fit easily into most developed countries, and raise them to the pinnacle of the world's greatest sport.

Maybe he dreamed of making the little dots on the map loom so large as to be spoken of with awe by the sport's most ardent pundits and fans.

Maybe he believed that the names of little nations, once unheard of, could one day be ranked alongside soccer's perennial giants and that he would be able to sell that idea to football's grands seigneurs.

Maybe. Maybe. There is always a chance that it started that way. Maybe...

This is the farmer sowing the corn / that milked the cow with the crumpled horn...

But then again, maybe not.

Maybe the farmer sowing the corn had his eye from the outset on the maiden all forlorn. Not because he wanted, like the man all shaven and shorn, to kiss her but because she was the one whose job it was to milk the cow with the 'crumpled' horn.

My thesaurus lists 'crumpled' in the same group as 'crooked.' And although we might be getting our animals mixed up here, 'milk' occurs in the same verb list as 'fleece.'

So maybe our farmer connected the dots and saw a straight line between the cock that crowed in the morn and the cow to be milked with the crumpled horn. Maybe that was when the dream of putting Caribbean football not on the map but in his back pocket was born.

And then all thoughts of serving the people, serving the people, serving the people were gone.

Jack the Dreamer became Jack the Schemer, the combination of never-ending trips around the world, fancy offices and three-piece suits leading inevitably to a business meeting over a sumptuous continental breakfast in a five-star hotel in Sweden and an offer that simply could not be refused. Maybe...

This is the farmer sowing the corn / that married the man all shaven and shorn...

I imagine that a man of Uncle Jack's God-given gifts would not have baulked at offending public sentiment in pursuit of his goals. By any means necessary, he told the whole country when challenged as to why he oversold the stadium on 19 November 1989.

So both nimble and quick, Jack jumped over the candlestick and landed feet-first in FIFA. Fifa-fo-fum, I smell the blood of a corrupt man. Many corrupt men.

And soon, Jack Austin Warner was just another cog in the monster money-making machine that is football's umbrella organisation.

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Title: Re: The house that Jack built
Post by: Bakes on June 06, 2012, 11:01:09 PM
What tortured writing... I could only make it halfway.
Title: Re: The house that Jack built
Post by: truetrini on June 07, 2012, 12:18:51 AM
What tortured writing... I could only make it halfway.

A bit...lol
Title: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Flex on June 07, 2012, 02:55:01 AM
Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
By Ria Taitt (Express).


Attorney General Anand Ramlogan has said that Works Minister Jack Warner is in the clear on bribery allegations.

Ramlogan said the Police Service would have given the utmost priority to an investigation into an allegation against a serving senior minister. He was speaking at yesterday's post-Cabinet news conference at the Office of the Prime Minister in St Clair.

"If they found no evidence (of bribery), it is because none exists at the moment," he said. On the Customs offence of signing a false declaration, Ramlogan said it would be for former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam to answer this charge, if it is substantiated, but it does not implicate Warner.

Ramlogan was commenting on the apparent contradiction between the Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs's statement that the police had stopped investigations based on advice from the Director of Public Prosecutions and the DPP's own comments about continuing investigations under the Customs Act.

Ramlogan said it was clear "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that what the DPP was saying, that there was no evidence on the file that was sent to him to substantiate further investigation, except under the Customs law.

"What the CoP has been trying to communicate is this: 'Look, we can go no further. This is nothing more that we have.'" Ramlogan said because Minister Warner is the subject of intense media scrutiny and speculation, it was not a reason for saying that evidence exists or manufacturing evidence.

The allegations relate to claims of bribery made by Caribbean football officials, following a May 2011 meeting at the Hyatt Regency hotel, to support bin Hammam in his campaign.

Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Coop's on June 07, 2012, 04:53:03 AM
 :banginghead: :banginghead: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:these people have to be joking,i can't believe this.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Bourbon on June 07, 2012, 05:52:13 AM
There was enough evidence to hold real people under the Anti-Gang legislation though...so I dont think its the police's fault.

 ::)
Title: Re: The house that Jack built
Post by: Pur_Trini on June 07, 2012, 05:52:58 AM
What tortured writing... I could only make it halfway.

I persevered and in the end wished I didn't bother.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on June 07, 2012, 08:53:59 AM
Disgusting, boldface cover up.  :frustrated:
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Sam on June 07, 2012, 09:05:43 AM
If Anand Ramlogan, Kamla and Gibbs is buddies, do you really expect them to charge him ?

All ah we in one family..
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on June 07, 2012, 09:29:58 AM
Notwithstanding the FACT that the police did a shoddy job by not interviewing several persons directly involved in the alleged bribery.  I find the taped evidence to be  very weak.  When I refer to taped evidence I am referring to the tape where Jack is seen and heard addressing the CFU representatives urging them to support Bin Hamman.  I saw and heard little to suggest anything close to bribery.

Now added with other evidence I am sure a case could be made if properly investigated.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on June 07, 2012, 10:33:34 AM
Notwithstanding the FACT that the police did a shoddy job by not interviewing several persons directly involved in the alleged bribery.  I find the taped evidence to be  very weak.  When I refer to taped evidence I am referring to the tape where Jack is seen and heard addressing the CFU representatives urging them to support Bin Hamman.  I saw and heard little to suggest anything close to bribery.

Now added with other evidence I am sure a case could be made if properly investigated.

Really?  There is more than enough to suggest that bribery occurred and that Jack was at the center of it all, implicating himself.  That said, Anand is a dangerous man...  the DPP never said that there wasn't any evidence of bribery, he said there wasn't enough evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.  There is a difference and anyone who insists that there was no bribery only fooling themselves, because they sure not fooling the rest of us.  There was bribery and Jack offered it in exchange for votes for Bin Hamman... however this is not a crime, hence no prosecution.  This is still conduct unbecoming a public official, let alone a government minister.  That the nation's purported Attorney General cannot (or refuses to) acknowledge this is beyond troubling.

A second matter is the violation of the Customs Act.  Anand stating that the ONLY person who would have violated it is Bin Hamman since he filed a false declaration.  Well that would be true only if BH was the one who brought the cash into the country.  At this point we don't know who did, so how can Anand exonerate Jack prematurely?  Also, what of the rumors that Jack gave word to Airport authorities to let BH pass thru w/o scrutiny?  Has that been investigated?  Has Anand (omnipotent and omniscient as he is) determined that this did not take place?

Buckle up TnT... allyuh have 3 more years of these people to contend with.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on June 07, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
Again..I was dealing with the TAPED evidence alone.  Much is being made of the speech Jack came to the CFU delegates..there was nothing it that to suggest bribery.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on June 07, 2012, 12:35:12 PM
Again..I was dealing with the TAPED evidence alone.  Much is being made of the speech Jack came to the CFU delegates..there was nothing it that to suggest bribery.

I doh even think you yuhself believe that nonsense, lol
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Storeboy on June 07, 2012, 01:10:44 PM
I wish they could lock him up.  But it is not about how we feel.  I feel that there was bribery, but could I prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.  That is what Anand have to go by.  If he don't have that, then we all whistling in the wind.   
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on June 07, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
Notwithstanding the FACT that the police did a shoddy job by not interviewing several persons directly involved in the alleged bribery.  I find the taped evidence to be  very weak.  When I refer to taped evidence I am referring to the tape where Jack is seen and heard addressing the CFU representatives urging them to support Bin Hamman.  I saw and heard little to suggest anything close to bribery.

Now added with other evidence I am sure a case could be made if properly investigated.

Really?  There is more than enough to suggest that bribery occurred and that Jack was at the center of it all, implicating himself.  That said, Anand is a dangerous man...  the DPP never said that there wasn't any evidence of bribery, he said there wasn't enough evidence to suggest that a crime was committed.  There is a difference and anyone who insists that there was no bribery only fooling themselves, because they sure not fooling the rest of us.  There was bribery and Jack offered it in exchange for votes for Bin Hamman... however this is not a crime, hence no prosecution.  This is still conduct unbecoming a public official, let alone a government minister.  That the nation's purported Attorney General cannot (or refuses to) acknowledge this is beyond troubling.

A second matter is the violation of the Customs Act.  Anand stating that the ONLY person who would have violated it is Bin Hamman since he filed a false declaration.  Well that would be true only if BH was the one who brought the cash into the country.  At this point we don't know who did, so how can Anand exonerate Jack prematurely?  Also, what of the rumors that Jack gave word to Airport authorities to let BH pass thru w/o scrutiny?  Has that been investigated?  Has Anand (omnipotent and omniscient as he is) determined that this did not take place?

Buckle up TnT... allyuh have 3 more years of these people to contend with.

Bakes, yuh way off target with this.....we have 3 more years until their next 5 years! And the way things are going, by 2012 the constitution may have been changed a la TTFF, CFU, CONCACAF. Remember, they have a master tactician at the helm. If Jack can reconfigure the planet, I'm damn sure he can lock down T&T.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on June 07, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
I wish they could lock him up.  But it is not about how we feel.  I feel that there was bribery, but could I prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.  That is what Anand have to go by.  If he don't have that, then we all whistling in the wind.   

uhm... no.  Try and follow along, it's not about what they can prove or not prove.  What Jack did isn't a crime... period.  Even if they could prove the allegations beyond a reasonable doubt he'd still never see the inside of a court because his actions did not involve his public role as a minister. Private individuals can bribe the hell out of each other all they want... and Jack was acting in his private capacity.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: SWF Reporter on June 07, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
Habla ingles, DPP? No lo entiende el AG
(By Wired868)

Is English the first language of Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard?
The DPP was unimpressed with Police Commissioner Dwayne Gibbs' assertion that a police probe into bribery allegations surrounding Warner should be closed and retorted with: "you need to go further with the investigation" and "I have not cleared anybody."
Does everyone get what he is saying?
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan still didn't feel Gaspard was being precise.
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Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Sando on June 08, 2012, 05:16:48 AM
Jack is wrong and any fool could see this.

Furthermore, he made deals behind his boss back and said in the interview his boss (Sepp knew)... he know he was doing something worng.



Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on June 08, 2012, 08:57:57 AM
Again..I was dealing with the TAPED evidence alone.  Much is being made of the speech Jack came to the CFU delegates..there was nothing it that to suggest bribery.

I doh even think you yuhself believe that nonsense, lol

AGain, I just looked at that video again, and there is insufficient evidence there to suggest any bribery.  "When Mohamed Bin Hammam asked to come to the Caribbean he wanted to bring some silver plaques and wooden trophies and bunting and so on, and told me to bring for 30 people would be too much luggage.

"I told him he did not need to bring anything but if he wanted to bring anything to bring something equivalent to the value of the gift that he brought.

"I said to him if you bring cash, I don't want you to give cash to anybody, but when you do you can give it to the CFU and the CFU will give it to his members.

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Warner says on the video: "When Mohamed Bin Hammam asked to come to the Caribbean he wanted to bring some silver plaques and wooden trophies and bunting and so on, and told me to bring for 30 people would be too much luggage.

"I told him he did not need to bring anything but if he wanted to bring anything to bring something equivalent to the value of the gift that he brought.

"I said to him if you bring cash, I don't want you to give cash to anybody, but when you do you can give it to the CFU and the CFU will give it to his members.

"Because I don't want [it] to even remotely appear that anyone has any obligation to vote for you because of what gifts you have given them, and he fully accepted that."

Warner also says in the video that he would return any money if the officials chose not to keep it.

"I know there are some people here who believe they are more pious than thou," he continued.

"If you are pious go to a church friends, but the fact is that our business is our business.

"If there is anybody here who has a conscience and wishes to send back the money I am willing to take the money and give it back to him at any moment."
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Football supporter on June 08, 2012, 09:15:15 AM
Isn't this similar to when a gangster visits a jewellry shop and offers his services to ensure nothing happens to the property? He says "This is a rough area, crime is on the increase, people could get hurt" He doesn't make any kind of threat, but the owner knows that if he doesn't pay up, there will be repercussions.

You can't prosecute anybody for stating negatives. But I believe its against FIFA rules to provide cash gifts without their consent. And Warner would know this and is therefore implicated. Then there is the question of where the money came from. If it was brought into the country undeclared, did Warner know this? And is it his duty as a Cabinet Minister to advise bin Hammam of this?

Plus, there are more damning affidavits confirming more direct involvement.

To me, there seems no apparent way that Warner can be charged by the police. The question is: was he acting in a manner that brings disgrace on the nation? Was this conduct unbecoming of a Minister? Was he following the PP mandate of honesty, integrity and transparency?
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on June 08, 2012, 09:27:18 AM
Isn't this similar to when a gangster visits a jewellry shop and offers his services to ensure nothing happens to the property? He says "This is a rough area, crime is on the increase, people could get hurt" He doesn't make any kind of threat, but the owner knows that if he doesn't pay up, there will be repercussions.

You can't prosecute anybody for stating negatives. But I believe its against FIFA rules to provide cash gifts without their consent. And Warner would know this and is therefore implicated. Then there is the question of where the money came from. If it was brought into the country undeclared, did Warner know this? And is it his duty as a Cabinet Minister to advise bin Hammam of this?

Plus, there are more damning affidavits confirming more direct involvement.

To me, there seems no apparent way that Warner can be charged by the police. The question is: was he acting in a manner that brings disgrace on the nation? Was this conduct unbecoming of a Minister? Was he following the PP mandate of honesty, integrity and transparency?

FIFA has a history of "gift giving", indeed a culture of "gift giving."  I agree that his conduct is unbecoming...but based solely..NOTE I say solely on this taped evidence, I see no bribery.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Big Magician on June 08, 2012, 11:00:11 AM
green fig
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on June 08, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
AGain, I just looked at that video again, and there is insufficient evidence there to suggest any bribery.

"Insufficient" in your mind.  The average, ordinary reasonable prudent person (ORPP) is likely to conclude that despite his bald pronouncements, the exact purpose of the gifts, in light of the circumstances, gives rise to a presumption that bribery was afoot.  But what would I know.
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: truetrini on June 08, 2012, 07:35:04 PM
AGain, I just looked at that video again, and there is insufficient evidence there to suggest any bribery.

"Insufficient" in your mind.  The average, ordinary reasonable prudent person (ORPP) is likely to conclude that despite his bald pronouncements, the exact purpose of the gifts, in light of the circumstances, gives rise to a presumption that bribery was afoot.  But what would I know.

AGAIN!  The tape standing alone is NOT sufficient to convict anyone!   I already stated that with proper investigation there would be evidence..but the TAPE ALONE...is being made a big deal by many...I listened to it several times and THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of an attempted bribe there.  NOT ONE shred of evidence that can stand the scrutinity
Title: Re: Anand: No evidence linking Jack to bribery charges.
Post by: Bakes on June 08, 2012, 08:47:00 PM
AGAIN!  The tape standing alone is NOT sufficient to convict anyone!   I already stated that with proper investigation there would be evidence..but the TAPE ALONE...is being made a big deal by many...I listened to it several times and THERE IS NO EVIDENCE of an attempted bribe there.  NOT ONE shred of evidence that can stand the scrutinity

Let's try and maintain focus here... Jack didn't commit any crime so nobody talking about evidence "to convict".  You keep saying that there is no evidence of an attempted bribe... which is laughable.  Repeating the mantra to yourself won't make it any more convincing.  Note that not even Gaspard has come out and said that, which would be tantamount to an exoneration, which Gaspard has pointedly made clear was not his intent.  There is no evidence of a crime being committed, but enough evidence of bribery, including on the tape.  Knowing you you'll just come back repeating the same but my experience tells me that there's more than enough evidence of bribery on the tape... you can continue to say otherwise.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 14, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
Jack Warner: must resign or be removed from the Ministry of National Security (http://www.change.org/petitions/jack-warner-must-resign-or-be-removed-from-the-ministry-of-national-security)

Title: Concacaf Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 20, 2012, 04:28:25 AM
Warner raises questions about former colleagues
By Ian Prescott & Roger Seepersad (Express).


DID CFU LIE?

Jack Warner would not say that former Caribbean Football Union (CFU) colleagues lied on him. Instead, when directly asked whether they told untruths during last year's football corruption scandal which saw bribery allegations brought against both the former vice-president of international football's governing body FIFA, and former FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam, Warner, now the National Security Minister, said he pitied them (CFU officials).

Warner faced the media yesterday at a press conference at the Ministry following yesterday's decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which annulled a FIFA life ban placed on Bin Hammam. The Court cited a lack of evidence for their decision.

Warner said allegations should be supported by evidence, and that he held no grudges against CFU officials whose allegations ultimately forced him to leave international football.

"My belief is that they (CFU officials) got incentives to say what they said," Warner declared.

Warner added that he was done with football and would only consider returning to the sport if current FIFA president Sepp Blatter stepped down.

Warner also spoke about the CONCACAF Centre of Excellence. He said his family bought the land from Norman Sabga, and after the sporting complex was built with FIFA funding, former FIFA president Joao Havelange gave it away as a gift.

"I have in my hand a letter which bequeaths it (CONCACAF Centre of Excellence) to the Caribbean and the Warner family," Warner said. "I have had it (the letter) for 22 years."

Yesterday, the CAS ruled 2-1 that there was not enough evidence to prove that Bin Hammam was the source of the US$1million brought into Trinidad and Tobago. Last May, Warner chaired a CFU meeting at which Bin Hammam was allowed to make his elections pitch to Caribbean football officials. Subsequently, both men were accused of offering US$40,000 bribes to those officials in exchange for votes in upcoming FIFA elections.

Warner quit all his international football posts, and FIFA dropped its investigations on the condition that he never return to football. At the time, FIFA stated: "As a consequence of Mr Warner's self-determined resignation, all ethics committee procedures against him have been closed and the presumption of innocence is maintained."

However, Bin Hammam maintained his innocence and fought a life ban which FIFA subsequently imposed on him.

Yesterday, Warner asked rhetorically: "When last have you heard anything about the CFU?"

He added that powerful Caribbean football nations like Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica have now been sidelined in favour of minnows such as Cayman Islands and St Lucia. Warner described CFU as a shadow of its former self.

"Blatter now has the CFU he wanted," Warner said.

Meanwhile, senior vice-president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), Rudy Thomas said he was happy for Bin Hammam, but insisted the TTFF's focus is on carrying football forward in the country.

Speaking at a press conference at the Queen's Park Oval, in Port of Spain, yesterday, Thomas added: "The news just came out this morning (yesterday morning), so we have not spoken about it as an executive, so what I am saying is my personal view."

Head of marketing at the TTFF, Anthony Harford shared similar sentiments.

"My focus is to make sure football in Trinidad and Tobago moves forward."

Title: Re: Concacaf Thread.
Post by: FF on July 20, 2012, 05:24:29 AM
poor journalism and investigative work by the Express... poor questions asked
Title: Re: Concacaf Thread.
Post by: kounty on July 20, 2012, 06:26:17 AM

Warner also spoke about the CONCACAF Centre of Excellence. He said his family bought the land from Norman Sabga, and after the sporting complex was built with FIFA funding, former FIFA president Joao Havelange gave it away as a gift.

"I have in my hand a letter which bequeaths it (CONCACAF Centre of Excellence) to the Caribbean and the Warner family," Warner said. "I have had it (the letter) for 22 years."

at least this on the record.  :-[
Title: Re: Concacaf Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2012, 07:19:44 AM
Warner is a master of deflection. He doesn't answer questions, but instead responds with statements. He also contradicts himself often without fear of journalists challenging him:

Warner said allegations should be supported by evidence,

"My belief is that they (CFU officials) got incentives to say what they said," Warner declared.

Two sentences directly following each other and totally conradictive!

Then he boldly states that the multi million dollar CoE was a gift to him. Not an incentive, but a gift? I would guess that the CoE would be the largest gift ever given by FIFA to an individual. If it was bequeathed to CFU, fair enough, but a gift of such magnitude to a FIFA vice president is totally unacceptable. It is being used to generate funds for a private family, instead of the development of regional football for which it was intended.

FIFA and CFU should legally reclaim it. Havelange did not have the authority to give a multi million dollar regional development facility as a gift. As Warner says, where is the evidence? This decision should have been one made by the FIFA executive and probably should have been voted on my all members of FIFA. A personal letter from Havelange is not enough.

 
Title: Re: Concacaf Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 20, 2012, 07:30:23 AM
Warner won't live forever, maybe when he was in charge proper systems should have been put in place. Instead he is gone and we no better off from when he took charge donkey years ago. And all we have to show for it is 4 new stadium. That is progress according to he supporters.
Title: Jack Warner destroyed T&T football, this is why.
Post by: Sam on July 20, 2012, 09:26:20 AM
Jack Warner is a perfect dictator.

He left T&T football in the same state he got it in 1973, broke, disorganised and lost.

He came on-board, suck de country's resources dry, get what he could get, move up the ladder on the backs of T&T football and then varnish with everything.

I mean, he did what he had to do to make sure T&T was always there but never did it from the good of his heart or the game, but only to his benefit.

Now T&T football is 30 years in the hole.

How can we allow someone to rule for 30 years !!!!!!!!

Do you guys know how impossible it is to get ride of Jack Warner smell even after he is gone. He left a bad sent and destroy we football.

And hear de funny thing, he is doing the same thing to our country, he trying to claw his way to dictate de country and is very successful.

This man has to be the evilest man I know, even though he does do his job, I hope our people dont sleep, because one day we go have to pay de piper.

Every man has to pay one day, he go leave we in a hole.

I pray the 2006 Soca Warriors string this man up, forget Camps, I want Jack Warner blood FIRST.

T&T football never improve in 30 years, imagine that, and this man was de vice president of FIFA and had all de resources on his finger tip to help develop T&T football and never did.

Title: Re: Jack Warner destroyed T&T football, this is why.
Post by: Cocorite on July 20, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
Jack Warner is a perfect dictator.

He left T&T football in the same state he got it in 1973, broke, disorganised and lost.

He came on-board, suck de country's resources dry, get what he could get, move up the ladder on the backs of T&T football and then varnish with everything.

I mean, he did what he had to do to make sure T&T was always there but never did it from the good of his heart or the game, but only to his benefit.

Now T&T football is 30 years in the hole.

How can we allow someone to rule for 30 years !!!!!!!!

Do you guys know how impossible it is to get ride of Jack Warner smell even after he is gone. He left a bad sent and destroy we football.

And hear de funny thing, he is doing the same thing to our country, he trying to claw his way to dictate de country and is very successful.

This man has to be the evilest man I know, even though he does do his job, I hope our people dont sleep, because one day we go have to pay de piper.

Every man has to pay one day, he go leave we in a hole.

I pray the 2006 Soca Warriors string this man up, forget Camps, I want Jack Warner blood FIRST.

T&T football never improve in 30 years, imagine that, and this man was de vice president of FIFA and had all de resources on his finger tip to help develop T&T football and never did.



Only problem is, it ain't funny. My people are a bunch of cowards to tolerate inept and corrupt leadership.
Title: Re: Jack Warner destroyed T&T football, this is why.
Post by: Deeks on July 20, 2012, 03:19:50 PM
He left T&T football in the same state he got it in 1973, broke, disorganised and lost.

The TFA may have been short of resources in the 70s, but it was more organzied and stable in that period. We had moved from the zonal leagues to the NSL. 1st and 2nd division. I played for Essex from 74 to 76. The league had 100 times better support than this current proleague. But yes, money like always was a problem. But football was enjoyable. Imagine I would take my hard earn money to go and see Coops and them play.
Title: Re: Jack Warner destroyed T&T football, this is why.
Post by: Raul on July 20, 2012, 07:20:18 PM

He came on-board, suck de country's resources dry, get what he could get, move up the ladder on the backs of T&T football and then varnish with everything.


Was it a single coat or a double coat of lacquer?  :D
Title: Re: Jack Warner destroyed T&T football, this is why.
Post by: Star Child on July 21, 2012, 06:32:41 AM
I really wish my good friend David John Williams hear the cry and come and rescue our football.

Sam, sad but true.

Title: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: Flex on July 21, 2012, 07:26:32 AM
Jack: Not me and football again.
T&T Newsday Reports.


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner on Thursday said he has left the world of football permanently, in the wake of a court ruling which quashed a FIFA ban brought against Mohammed Bin Hammam.

At a press conference at the Ministry of National Security, Temple Court, Abercromby Street, Port-of-Spain, Warner said notwithstanding the court ruling, he would not return to football.

Never, he said. I left football a year ago and that is a permanent position. I want nothing from football.

Warner quit as a FIFA vice-chairman last year amid bribery allegations made against him and Bin Hammam in the lead-up to the FIFA presidential elections which saw Sepp Blatter return to the post.

Bin Hammam, who pulled out of the race for the FIFA presidency amid the allegations, had a FIFA life ban overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) on Thursday. The CAS said there was insufficient evidence in the case.

Members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) had alleged cash bribes were offered to get them to back Bin Hammam. Warner argued their actions destroyed the CFU.

Where is the CFU today? he said, pointing out that six CFU members had been banned. Father forgive them, they know not what they did. I wont say they were lying. I would say they got incentives.

The CAS found that Warner had arranged for cash gifts to be offered and said it was most likely that he was in collaboration with Bin Hammam in an arrangement which did not conform to the highest ethical standards.

Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: Flex on July 21, 2012, 07:27:11 AM
Thanx Jack, you should have said this 29 and a 1/2 years ago.....  ;D

Jack: Not me and football again.
Like he really have a choice...

Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: Socapro on July 21, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
After he suck T&T football dry and FIFA force him to resign and he get big job in the PP government as a reward for his financial support he could afford to say that.

As soon as his vindictive friend Sepp Blatter finishes his final term as President of FIFA then allyuh don't be surprised to hear Renraw say that yesterday was yesterday and today is today and he is re-entering football to help get CONCACAF and FIFA back on track.  :devil:

Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: truetrini on July 21, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
Jack never again (raise) to any football prominence.
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: Football supporter on July 22, 2012, 08:41:37 AM
Daily Star Lebanon


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates: The man in charge of Asian soccer, once a candidate to oust FIFA President Sepp Blatter as the sport's worldwide leader, enriched himself and handed out hundreds of thousands of dollars to friends and relatives, according to an audit obtained by The Associated Press.

Mohamed bin Hammam, a 63-year-old Qatari whose life ban from football was overturned in a sports court earlier this week, is accused of using the Asian Football Confederation bank accounts to conduct his private affairs.

The audit was prepared by the international accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers and dated July 13. A copy of the report was obtained by the AP; its contents were confirmed by two people with direct knowledge of the report who spoke on condition of anonymity because it hasn't been made public.

The report offered rare details of the usually secretive accounts of not-for-profit football bodies handling hundreds of millions of dollars. And it portrayed a man who was running Asian soccer like a family business, negotiating contracts on his own and mingling his personal and AFC bank accounts.

The audit was especially critical of bin Hammam's use of AFC accounts for personal expenses, although there was no evidence of direct payments to bin Hammam.

"It is highly unusual for funds (especially in the amounts detailed here) that appear to be for the benefit of Mr. Hammam personally, to be deposited to an organization's bank account," the audit said.

He received millions of dollars from individuals linked to AFC contracts, according to the audit, and spent tens of thousands of dollars on items like a honeymoon for his son and dental work, haircuts and cash payments for his family.

It found he spent $700,000 from AFC coffers on himself and his family, including $100,000 for his wife, $10,000 on a Bulgari watch for himself and nearly $5,000 for his daughter's cosmetic dentistry.

Payments were also made to Asian, African and Caribbean football officials, including $250,000 to Jack Warner, the longtime strongman of Caribbean football.

"The arrangement with Mr Hammam's use of the sundry debtors account is, in our view, highly unusual and reflects poor governance," the audit said. "This use by Mr Hammam of the sundry debtors account continued even after the external auditor's recommended that it be stopped. Our review indicates that it was common belief that this account was for Mr Hammam personally and all funds flowing through it were his personal monies.

"We question why Mr Hammam would conduct his personal financial transactions through the AFC's bank accounts when the documents we have seen indicate that he already has several personal bank accounts in various countries," the audit said.

The Asian governing body, which he has led since 2002 was advised to seek "legal advice in respect of ... whether the actions of Mr. Hammam, and other parties identified in this report, constitute criminal and/or civil breaches." Bin Hammam was suspended for 30 days by the AFC following receipt of the report last week.

Bin Hammam was not available for comment. His United States lawyer said the allegations were a FIFA tactic to block his return to world football.

"If there were ever any question about the political motives behind FIFA's vendetta against Mr. Bin Hammam, it has been answered by the outrageous and baseless new charges that FIFA and AFC are bringing against him," lawyer Eugene Gulland said in a statement.

The audit found that a contract for commercial rights with World Sports Group and its subsidiary World Sports Football were no-bid contracts that were "considerably undervalued." A $14 million payment from companies with stakes in WSG, Al Baraka Investment and Development Co. and International Sports Events Company, was made to the AFC for the "personal use of its president," the report said.

Bin Hammam also approved several lucrative, no-bid contracts for commercial rights, including one for Qatari-owned Al-Jazeera Satellite Network.

The audit said its review of the AFC accounts found that it routinely handed out tens of thousands of dollars in cash to federation presidents and their relatives. Most of it went to their personal bank accounts and none of it was for football related expenses, it said.

Gaurav Thapa, whose father heads the Nepalese federation, received $100,000 while a Filipino football official Jose Mari Martinez received $60,000 and had $11,226 in hospital expenses paid. Another $50,000 went to an East Timorese football official Francisco Kalbuadi Lay, the audit found.

Another $25,000 went for tuition expenses for a Bangladesh football federation spokesman and $20,000 to cover the cost of cancer treatment for the federation's general secretary.

Also, nearly $2,000 was spent by Bin Hammam to buy 14 shirts for Blatter and nearly $5,000 went toward the purchase of suits for Issa Hayatou, the CAF president.

The acting head of the AFC called for an end to spending abuses.

"I think this development also makes one thing very clear to all of us - there is no place for unethical practices anymore in AFC," Acting President Zhang Jilong said in his opening address Thursday to an executive committee meeting. "I ask this ExCo (executive committee) to prevent any abuse of power and misuse of privileges by any office bearer. I ask this ExCo not to allow anyone to compromise the image of AFC."


Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: KND2 on July 23, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.

fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.

There was not even spots to make the world cup.

If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.

Jack open up the football.

Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: Jack Horner on July 23, 2012, 09:28:04 AM
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.

fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.

There was not even spots to make the world cup.

If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.

Jack open up the football.

Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.

Amen my borther.

We have some very smart people on this message board.

I was starting to think differently before this.

Jack will rise again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: truetrini on July 23, 2012, 11:17:53 AM
Jack Horner, you are a regular poster here, posting under a different name, your trolling is very amusing.  lol

You gave yourself away.  too funny,  lol
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: just cool on July 23, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
irregarless of the fact that he take nuff thing for he-self and family. Jack has done a lot for Caribbean , Concacaf and Trinidad Football.

fact of the matter is that there was basically nothing before Jack figured out how to use FIFA money to get things done for the region.

There was not even spots to make the world cup.

If it was up to UEFA, concacaf would not even have a spot or one at best.

Jack open up the football.

Unless a new money man willing to step up football on a pause because the public in tnt does not put money into sports.

Amen my borther.

We have some very smart people on this message board.

I was starting to think differently before this.

Jack will rise again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jack Horner, you are a regular poster here, posting under a different name, your trolling is very amusing.  lol

You gave yourself away.  too funny,  lol
That kind of remind's me of another forumite with an alter ego.   :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: truetrini on July 23, 2012, 04:04:19 PM
yeah?  well there are several doing that....call facking names.
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: frico on July 23, 2012, 04:23:10 PM
Thanx Jack, you should have said this 29 and a 1/2 years ago.....  ;D

Jack: Not me and football again.
Like he really have a choice...


I am sorry to say that if Jack had done that 29 and1/2 years ago we would have had nothing to talk about,2006 was our time of glory and we wont be in any WC until at least 2030.Lets see who is willing to work towards TT getting back on track,there is plenty of articulate men around but thats all.Way Shaka an dem,they out off,let them come back if they love TT so much.
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: Deeks on July 23, 2012, 05:49:04 PM
Until Watson and the rest resolve the court case, I dont see much happening. No companies are going to assist the TTFF will all those problem hanging over their heads.
Title: Re: Jack: Not me and football again.
Post by: truetrini on July 23, 2012, 07:43:11 PM
I am sorry to say that if Jack had done that 29 and1/2 years ago we would have had nothing to talk about,2006 was our time of glory and we wont be in any WC until at least 2030.Lets see who is willing to work towards TT getting back on track,there is plenty of articulate men around but thats all.Way Shaka an dem,they out off,let them come back if they love TT so much.

Why yuh doh hush yuh hairy ass.   What de f**k you mean with this shit?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 25, 2012, 05:20:33 AM
JACK'S SECRET US$ ACCOUNT
By Andre Bagoo (Newsday).


MINISTER of National Security and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, in 2011, held a secret US-dollar account in which he co-mingled personal and football business funds, according to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which yesterday published a full written judgment in relation to allegations of bribery against former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam.

Last week, the CAS announced that it was quashing a lifetime ban imposed on Bin Hammam by FIFA in relation to allegations that Bin Hammam had attempted to bribe Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at a meeting organised by Warner at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain on May 10, 2011. The court announced it was overturning the FIFA ban for a lack of evidence against Bin Hammam.

However, in its 56-page written ruling the CAS further explained that a large part of the case against Bin Hammam was based on statements made by Warner. The court said it had thrown out all statements made by Warner in the case because he was an unreliable witness.

In its ruling, which has been obtained by Newsday, the Switzerland-based court found that:

* Warner held a secret US-dollar account which contained at least US$455,000 (TT$2.8 million) in which he mingled personal funds and CFU football funds;

* an orange and black suitcase which contained piles of cash allegedly used to bribe CFU officials was kept at Warners football office at Port-of-Spain hours before it was transported to the Hyatt;

* Warners statements to FIFA linking Bin Hammam to the US$40,000 (TT$252,000) cash gifts offered to CFU members could not be relied on because Warner was an unreliable witness who appears to be prone to an economy with the truth;

* Warner declined a request made by the court to appear before it even though he was a central figure in the case against Bin Hammam;

* there was evidence that an official employed at the Ministry of Works and Transport was sent to Piarco airport to welcome Bin Hammam in May 2011.

In relation to the secret bank account, the court said there was ample evidence that Warner placed funds from the CFU in it and mixed it with personal funds. At least TT$2.8 million in payments were made via cheque out of this account to Chuck Blazer, the FIFA executive committee member and one-time Warner ally who has been said to have first reported allegations against Bin Hammam to FIFA.

There is ample evidence that Mr Warner ran a secret US dollar bank account in which he co-mingled CFU and personal funds, the CAS found in its 2-1 majority judgment. Two cheques were drawn on this account in the sum of US$455,000 and paid to Mr Blazer just a few weeks before the events in Trinidad and Tobago (there is no evidence that any accounting or explanation has been given to the CFU of the reasons for these large payments).

The court said there was evidence that CFU member Anton Sealey, the president of the Bahamas Football Federation, was unaware of the existence of the account. CAS criticised previous reports, done by the Freeh Group and attorney John Collins for FIFA, for failing to probe the accounts of the CFU.

The panel considers that the Freeh and Collins reports did not sufficiently investigate the existence of CFU accounts to check whether the CFU had ever had enough funds to provide the cash gifts, or whether there had been cash withdrawals from these accounts. Asked about Mr Warner sending in the previous two months two cheques totalling US$455,000 to Mr Blazer on a CFU account, Mr Sealey answered that he did not know that CFU had a secret account and that he could therefore not exclude that the money came from CFU accounts.

The court called Warner a central figure in the case against Bin Hammam and reveals for the first time that the FIFA case against Bin Hammam depended largely on statements Warner gave to the FIFA ethics committee in which he claimed Bin Hammam gave him gifts to give to CFU officials at the Hyatt meeting. However, the court found Warners evidence unsatisfactory.

The majority of the panel concludes that Mr Warner is an unreliable witness, and anything he has said in relation to the matters before the panel is to be treated with caution, the court found. If Mr Warner had been available for examination, it may have been possible to place some degree of reliance on some of his statements, including those against his own interest. The panel invited him to appear, but he has declined to do so.

CAS further noted Warner gave conflicting accounts of what happened in May 2011.

Mr Warner appears to be prone to an economy with the truth, the court said. He has made numerous statements as to events that are contradicted by other persons, and his own actions are marked by manifest and frequent inconsistency. Most significantly, he made a statement on May 29, 2011, before the FIFA ethics committee, declaring that no cash gifts had been offered, a claim that is directly contradicted by the video evidence of his statement on May 11, 2011, when he referred to the gifts that had been given the previous day.

The court noted that a transcript of that video revealed Warner said the gifts, which turned out to be envelopes stuffed with US$40,000 cash, were from Bin Hammam who had wanted to bring silver trinkets.

In the video, Warner is seen attempting to explain the gifts after he called an unscheduled early meeting on May 11, one day after the gifts were given out in a Hyatt room. The court noted the transcript of the video records him as saying to CFU delegates, It (the gift) was given to you because he (Bin Hammam) said he could not bring the silver... some silver trinkets and so on, and something with Qatari sand....We dont need Qatari sand.Barbados sand is as good as Qatari sand if not better. So I said what is wrong with that? Put a value on it and give the countries, and the gift you get is for you to determine how best you want to use it for development for football in your country.

Whether you want to pay salaries, whether you want to pay rent, whether you want to buy equipment, whatever, it is for development but its not a gift that I want him to give to you. Because as I said before I did not want it to appear that it would buy votes.

The court continued, In these circumstances, the majority of the panel finds it difficult to place any reliance on any statement he (Warner) has made, whether in the form of a witness statement or in anything he has said to a third person and which is before the panel in the form of evidence provided by that third person.

The court continues, As a result, the majority of the panel regrets that it is unable to place any particular weight or reliance on any statement made by Mr Warner, or alleged to have been made by him, in its assessment of the facts of this case.

The court said in the absence of any other evidence it could not find as a fact that Bin Hammam gave the money to Warner to give to the CFU officials.

For its part, (the) circumstantial evidence turns largely on statements attributed to Mr Warner. If Mr Warner and his statements are taken out of the equation, the record of evidence in relation to (FIFAs) case on the origins of the suitcase and the monies it contained is founded on extremely limited sources, to put the point generously, the court said.

Though it was not satisfied in relation to the evidence of the bribery claims against Bin Hammam, the CAS nonetheless raised the possibility that Bin Hammam may not have even known about the cash gifts and that Warner, who appeared to have changed his story after the gifts were reported to FIFA by Blazer, may have first offered the gifts to the CFU members on his own volition to curry favour with them.

The possibility cannot be excluded that Mr Warner subsequently decided to pass on some or all of the money to the members of the CFU, to curry further favour with them, and that Mr Bin Hammam may not even have known that this occurred, the court opined.

The panel comprised Jos Mara Alonso Puig, an attorney-at-law from Madrid, Spain (president);

Philippe J Sands QC, a UK barrister and Professor of Law at University College London (arbitrator); Romano F Subiotto QC, a solicitor-advocate based at Brussels, Belgium and London, UK (arbitrator). Vctor Bonnn Reyns, another Spanish attorney-at-law, was the panels ad hoc clerk.

The court also made key findings in relation to the events that took place during Bin Hammams visit from May 9, 2011, to May 11, 2011. It found that it was an undisputed fact that a suitcase of cash came from Warners Concacaf office, which is located at Dundonald Street, Port-of-Spain.

It is not in dispute that on the afternoon of May 10, 2011, each CFU national association representative was invited to collect a gift in the boardroom, or that the gift was in the form of a cash offering contained in an unmarked envelope in the amount of US$ 40,000. Nor is it in dispute that the envelopes were offered by Jason Sylvester and Debbie Minguell, both employees of the CFU.

It is further not disputed that the cash gifts had been placed in a suitcase that was handed over to Mr Sylvester and Ms Minguell by Ms Angenie Kanhai, secretary general of the CFU at the time of the material events. This was confirmed in her witness statement and during the hearing, the CAS said.

Further, There is no dispute either that Ms Kanhai went to Mr Jack Warners office at about 2.30 pm on May 10, 2011, from where she collected, from one of Mr Warners assistants, the suitcase that contained the envelopes. It is not challenged that the suitcase was locked and that the key was in a front pocket.

During the hearing, Ms Kanhai observed that the suitcase was a very good quality one, orange and black, and it was not the kind of suitcase that Mr Warner normally uses. The court said the latter evidence did not help to determine the further issue of the origins of the cash.

Interesting as these observations may be, they cannot be dispositive one way or the other on the question of whether the suitcase, as well as the monies that it contained, were provided by Mr Bin Hammam, it remarked.

For the first time, the judgment gives evidence that the lines between Warners role as a Government minister and a FIFA football official may have blurred. The CAS noted evidence from Kanhai which suggested that a salaried official employed at the Ministry of Transport was sent by Warner to greet Bin Hammam at the airport on May 9, 2011. At that time, Warner was Minister of Works and Transport.

When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammams arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministrys protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport, the CAS said.

CAS noted Warner quit FIFA last year amid the bribery allegations. It also said it had serious concern that FIFA decided to stop its investigation of Warner after he quit.

The panel is bound to note that there was apparently no requirement to close those FIFA ethics committee procedures, as it is plain to it that FIFA would continue to be able to exercise jurisdiction over acts occurring whilst Mr Warner was a FIFA official.

Mr Warner is at the heart of the events of May 10 and 11, and there is every possibility that if the FIFA investigations of Mr Warner had continued at least some of the missing facts that have hampered the work of this panel facts that go to the heart of the gaps in the events - might have been clearly established, one way or the other. By closing the Ethics Committee procedures, FIFA disabled itself from pursuing a proper, thorough and complete investigation.

The court said FIFA president Sepp Blatter, who, unlike Warner, appeared before the CAS, declined to answer questions surrounding the circumstances of Warner quitting FIFA.

Warner last week welcomed the CASs announcement saying its ruling was a vindication and a victory of reason.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2012, 06:42:51 AM
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?

When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammams arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministrys protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport, the CAS said.

Isn't is shameful that a senior Cabinet Minister and sometime acting Prime minister is referred to internationally this way:

Warners statements to FIFA ........ could not be relied on because Warner was an unreliable witness who appears to be prone to an economy with the truth; 

And not only did he make untruthful statements in statements to FIFA, he also then misled the T&T population when he declared last week that the CAS ruling ruling was a vindication and a victory of reason

And let's see what Kamla does now. Remember she said previously that she couldn't act on allegations, well, this is sworn evidence that has been investigated and accepted as fact.

If Jack was the BVI coach, he would declare yesterday's result as an outstanding victory for BVI, pinning back T&T to only 23 goals.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on July 25, 2012, 08:24:09 AM

Warners statements to FIFA ........ could not be relied on because Warner was an unreliable witness who appears to be prone to an economy with the truth; 


AKA you is ah blasted liar!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2012, 09:36:14 AM
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?

When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammams arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministrys protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport, the CAS said.


How is that a "misuse of public office"?  That he sent his protocol officer to pick up a Qatari diplomat from the airport?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2012, 10:12:41 AM
Hmmm, isn't this regarded as misuse of public office?

When asked by the panel about Mr Bin Hammams arrival to Trinidad and Tobago on the evening of May 9, 2011, Ms Kanhai stated that at that time Mr Warner was the Minister of Transport, and that his Ministrys protocol officer collected Mr Bin Hammam from the airport, the CAS said.


How is that a "misuse of public office"?  That he sent his protocol officer to pick up a Qatari diplomat from the airport?

Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2012, 11:06:09 AM

Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.

That's nitpicking bro, in real life nobody studying that that hard. In the land of unofficial half days and two hour lunches ent nutten wrong with sendin a staffer to pick up a foreign diplomat from the airport, whether he's on official business or not. That would fly here in the US and even in the UK. If you could send a staffer to pick up lunch you could send him to the airport.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2012, 11:46:38 AM

Of course, you would be correct if he was visiting on official Qatari business, but this was nothing to do with the Qatari or the T&T government. It was a visit to discuss the business of a private organisation. You could argue that any visit by a foreign dignitary warrants government recognition, but then it wouldn't be any business of the Ministry of Transport. I could accept, at a long stretch, that Anil Roberts sent his protocol officer to meet Hammam. Government employees are not paid to serve the private business interests of Ministers.

That's nitpicking bro, in real life nobody studying that that hard. In the land of unofficial half days and two hour lunches ent nutten wrong with sendin a staffer to pick up a foreign diplomat from the airport, whether he's on official business or not. That would fly here in the US and even in the UK. If you could send a staffer to pick up lunch you could send him to the airport.

True. The privileges of power!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2012, 07:45:23 AM
It is rumoured that Anil Roberts is now in England attending the Olympics and that in his absence, Jack Warner will deputise.

Question: If there are any decisions to be made regarding football, who will make them?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on July 26, 2012, 09:02:56 AM
It is rumoured that Anil Roberts is now in England attending the Olympics and that in his absence, Jack Warner will deputise.

Question: If there are any decisions to be made regarding football, who will make them?

Even when Anil in de office, Jack still callin de shot..so no difference dey
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2012, 12:01:28 PM
I BACK JACK

By ANDRE BAGOO Thursday, July 26 2012
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IN THE FACE of court findings which have deepened the cloud around Minister of National Security and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday once more expressed her confidence in Warner.

In a brief interview, the Prime Minister was questioned on the findings of the Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which, in a written ruling exclusively reported in a cover-story in yesterdays Newsday, revealed evidence of Warner administering a secret US-dollar account into which he commingled personal and football funds.

Though the CAS quashed a FIFA ban on former FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam, it did so largely because it deemed Warners contradictory evidence as unsatisfactory, describing him as an unreliable witness who appears to be prone to an economy with the truth.

The CAS also said there was evidence that Warner, during his tenure as Works and Transport Minister, sent a ministry official to greet Bin Hammam at the airport in May 2011 and that an orange briefcase stuffed with cash was kept in Warners Port-of-Spain football office hours before it was taken to the Hyatt Regency where CFU officials were presented with cash-filled envelopes.

Questioned by Newsday on these findings of fact, Persad-Bissessar said, I would not want to comment on that. I have not read the judgment. Told of the contents of the judgment, Persad- Bissessar said, I cannot comment on something you are telling me. I have to read it first. I would not be able to comment at this stage before I have a chance to read it.

Asked if she had confidence in her Minister of National Security Jack Warner, the Prime Minister said, I have every confidence in all of my ministers. Persad-Bissessar elevated Warner to the sensitive National Security post last month even amid questions dating back to his previous tenure as Works and Transport Minister when, in May 2011, he arranged cash gifts to be given to Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at a meeting at the Hyatt, one day after Bin Hammam lobbied them ahead of the FIFA elections that year.

Just last week Thursday, the Prime Minister also advised President George Maxwell Richards to appoint Warner the Acting Minister of Sport, in addition to his Security portfolio, during the absence from the country of Anil Roberts. On that very day, the CAS announced it was lifting the FIFA ban imposed on Bin Hammam, but also remarked in a press release that it was more likely than not that Warner and Bin Hammam were in a collaboration which may not have complied with the highest ethical standards.

The CAS panel comprised Jos Mara Alonso Puig, an attorney-at-law from Spain (president); Philippe J Sands QC, a UK barrister and Professor of Law at University College London (arbitrator); and Romano F Subiotto QC, a solicitor-advocate based at Brussels, Belgium and London, UK (arbitrator). Vctor Bonnn Reyns, another Spanish attorney-at-law, was the panels ad hoc clerk.

Persad-Bissessars expression of confidence came as the Congress of the People (COP), the second largest party in the coalition government, expressed renewed concerns over Warners place in the Cabinet. It also came as Dr Keith Rowley, the Opposition Leader, said the Opposition would write the Integrity Commission afresh in relation to new revelations that Warner administered a secret CFU bank account.

Vernon de Lima, the acting chairman of the COP, yesterday said of Warner, He ought not to have been made a minister. I dont know what to say again. He compared current calls to remove Warner to calls to remove the former Udecott chairman Calder Hart, who was subject to investigation. Both of them were under investigation and therefore is no difference in my mind, he said.

Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley called on the Prime Minister to act on Warner.

Now that the investigations are concluded and findings have been made by a judicial body all of which confirm our greatest fears about Mr Warners involvement in wrongdoing, the Prime Minister no longer has any place to hide and I call upon her to keep the commitment she made last year which was to act when the evidence became available, Rowley said. Now that the findings are here she has no place to hide.

Rowley said the revelation that National Security Minister and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner ran a secret bank account into which he placed personal and football funds must be investigated by the Integrity Commission.

The revelations of these findings have been and will be reported to the Integrity Commission for that independent body to initiate its own investigation to ensure that the laws of Trinidad and Tobago have been complied with and that includes the latest revelation of the secret bank account, Rowley said.

In its 56-page arbitral award, the CAS said, There is ample evidence that Mr Warner ran a secret US dollar bank account in which he commingled CFU and personal funds. Two cheques were drawn on this account in the sum of US$455,000 and paid to (FIFA executive Chuck) Blazer just a few weeks before the events in Trinidad and Tobago. It added that, There is no evidence that any accounting or explanation has been given to the CFU of the reasons for these large payments.

Warner declined to appear before the CAS and yesterday remained silent on the CAS judgment.

Rowley hit the Police Service (TTPS), saying there were questions over its handling of the investigation into the cash handed out at the Hyatt given the findings of CAS.

The court found that cash in a suitcase from Jack Warners office ended up in a meeting and was distributed, Rowley noted. The TTPS failed to ask Mr Warner about that cash. How could the TTPS fail to ask questions of Mr Warner with respect to this money which emanated from his office and which his staff produced? That does not give our police investigative skills any marks. A drunken man on a galloping horse would ask, Where did this money come from and whose money was it?. The police has failed us miserably.

Rowley noted the dismissed allegations against former UNC political leader Basdeo Panday were about a secret bank account.

The Basdeo Panday matter was specifically about his having an account and not having declared it, the Diego Martin West MP said. Now that a judicial court has made reference to a secret account in which substantial amounts of money was being commingled it raises a question of whether the Integrity Commission was aware that this account existed and that is why the commission will have to investigate: to determine this.

Warners place in the Cabinet has been a constant issue for the PP Government. In 2010, the Cabinet got several legal opinions to determine the question of whether Warner could hold on to his FIFA duties and remain a Government Minister. The legal opinions concluded Warner could. The matter was never referred to the Supreme Court for determination. Persad-Bissessar and the Cabinet stood by Warner in 2011 when the allegations of bribery emerged and even after he quit his FIFA position, opting not to face the allegations.

The tribunal has now found that he has run away and refused to cooperate with the tribunal, Rowley said.

Upon appointing Warner as National Security Minister last month, Persad-Bissessar further said Warner was a man of action who might be able to tackle the crime problem. Rowley said the question is not whether Warner can do the job but whether he is fit for public office.

In the light of the findings of a judicial body where his conduct has been called into question we reject all discussions about him being a hard worker, Rowley said. That is not the point. The point is whether he is a fit and proper person to serve. This is a question of standards and values.

He continued, Warners presence in the Cabinet is detrimental to the image of the country and the Prime Minister persists in defending him. She is spectacular in her persistence in making bad appointments and has been a poor selector of persons for public office, Rowley said. This is one of them.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2012, 12:06:23 PM
Plum FIFA job for Warners ex-secretary


JACK WARNERS former secretary at the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), Angenie Kanhai, changed her story in a way that incriminated ousted FIFA presidential candidate Mohammed Bin Hammam two days before she signed a contract for a plum FIFA job in February, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) revealed this week.

In its detailed 56-page written ruling quashing Bin Hammams FIFA ban for bribery, the court expressed concern over the fact that both Warner and Kanhai changed their stories in relation to the source of cash-filled envelopes offered to CFU officials at the Hyatt Regency in the build-up to the 2011 FIFA presidential elections.

The changes appeared to occur after the offer of the envelopes which each contained US$40,000 was reported to FIFA and went public. The change in Mr Warners account, as well as the small but very significant addition that was made by Ms Kanhai in her second statement, raise concerns for the panel, the court said in its arbitration ruling, which was first reported on exclusively in yesterdays Newsday.

The panel noted Kanhai made two statements: one on July 15, 2011, after the scandal first broke out and then another statement on February 27, 2012, while proceedings were ongoing before the CAS. The first statement did not implicate Bin Hammam. But the second statement did.

In the first statement, Kanhai said, On May 10, 2011 Mr Warner advised me that he had gifts, which were to be distributed to the delegates. However, in her second statement, Kanhai added a telling detail, Mr Warner advised me that gifts were to be distributed to the delegates....he told me that the gifts were token gifts from Mr Bin Hammam.

The panel considers Ms. Kanhais testimony on this point to be relevant, because her second statement appears to be the only place in the record of evidence that Mr. Warner told anyone on May 10 (as opposed to May 11) that Mr Bin Hammam was the source of the gifts, the CAS said. It noted that by the time of the second statement, Kanhai was out of a job having stepped down as CFU general secretary in December 2011.

The panel is bound to observe that Ms. Kanhais second statement was made on February 27, 2012, at a time when she was unemployed, having resigned from the CFU in December 2011, and that two days after signing this second statement, on March 1, she signed a contract of employment with FIFA, the respondent in these proceedings, the court revealed.

It continued, It may be that the timing is entirely coincidental, but given the significance of the addition to the statement and her failure to provide a compelling or any real explanation for it, the panel is bound to treat the evidence with some degree of caution.

If Ms Kanhais second statement is removed from the equation, there is no evidence before the panel to show that Mr. Warner mentioned the connection between the gifts and Mr Bin Hammam until the morning of May 11.

Newsday understands that Kanhai, 29, now holds the post of development officer at the FIFA Development Office Northwest Caribbean (USA). The office is located at Miami Beach. Contacted yesterday, Kanhai told Newsday she was in-transit and would issue a full statement later. However she added, as a preliminary response, I would like to clarify that at no point did I change my testimony. The records of both the FIFA Ethics Committee and CAS will support such. She also said her elevation to FIFA was not related.

My start as development officer has no connection with the CAS appeal, she said.

Warner quit his post as a FIFA vice-president as well as his post of president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) in June last year. During his tenure (1983 to 2011), Kanhai was CFU general secretary. In testimony before the Switzerland-based CAS, Kanhai said Warner was often referred to as the boss.

According to evidence before the CAS by CFU first vice-president Cheney Joseph said another CFU official Jason Sylvester told CFU officials who were presented with envelopes stuffed with cash on May 10, 2011, at the Hyatt that the money came from the boss.

Another witness, Mr. Cheney, stated during the hearing that, when he was offered the gift, Mr Sylvester told him that the gift came from the boss, who at the time was Mr Warner., the panel noted. During the hearing, Ms Kanhai confirmed that the boss would generally be understood to refer to Mr Warner.

The CAS said Kanhai could not account for why she changed her story on the eve of signing on to a new FIFA job.

She was asked by the panel to explain why she had failed to mention to the CFU executive in her note of July 15, 2011, that Mr Bin Hammam was the source of the gifts, despite the fact that the Note was prepared shortly after the date in question, but had included that information in her second statement which was made much later in time, the CAS said. She was unable to give a satisfactory explanation, eventually stating: I didnt want to, I didnt remember, I really dont know, July 15th was quite a long time ago.

According to the ruling, Kanhai admitted before the CAS that there was a change in her statements. When she was then asked So what changed between July and February to cause you to take a different view?, she replied Nothing changed. When pushed, she did then say: I accept that there is a change, yes, because there is obviously a change.

On balance, the panel rejected Kanhais claim that Warner told her the money came from Bin Hammam.

Having regard to the totality of the record before it, the panel concludes to its comfortable satisfaction that the evidence shows that Mr. Warner did not tell anyone that the money had come from Mr. Bin Hammam before he addressed delegates on the morning of May 11, it found. The evidence indicates that until that time his statements indicated that the gifts were from the CFU.

Warners evidence, too, was thrown out by the CAS because he gave contradictory evidence. The court found that he was an unreliable witness with a detached relationship with the truth. As the bulk of the case against Bin Hammam rested on statements from Warner, the court said it could not uphold the FIFA ban against Bin Hammam.

At the same time, the panel noted that FIFA dropped charges against Warner in circumstances where it was not necessary to do so, just months before Warner provided FIFA with evidence against Bin Hammam. The CAS noted that while it was likely Bin Hammam and Warner were in collaboration, the possibility that Bin Hammam did not know about Warners cash gifts could not be excluded.
 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 28, 2012, 07:47:52 AM
Jack mum on FIFA
By LAUREL V WILLIAMS (Newsday).
Saturday, July 28 2012


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner will no longer be responding to questions about FIFA. He pointed out that the football organisation, was neither a country, nor a constituency.

Warner, who is the former vice-president of FIFA made the comments yesterday at Cacandee Road, in Felicity where General Maintenance and Services Limited and the Environment and Water Resources Ministry launched the state-of-the-art dredge.

I am not prepared to answer anything on football. I have accepted my peace. FIFA has spoken, the courts have spoken. I have work to do here. FIFA is not a country. It is not a constituency. I am finished talking about FIFA and football. Ask me about politics, ask me about the Government, ask me about my constituency, about the dredge out there, suggested Warner.

Recently the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) published a written judgment about allegations of bribery against former FIFA presidential candidate, Mohammed Bin Hammam. It is alleged Bin Hammam had attempted to bribe Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials at a meeting organised by Warner at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain on May 10, last year.

Meanwhile, referring to comments made by Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley, about him not fulfilling promises made, Warner yesterday dismissed them as foolish talk. Rowley said that I have made 29 promises. I have made many promises, but everyone I made I would keep. I ask him today to make one, to give Diego Martin West proper representation. My 30th promise to Rowley is that he would never become prime minister of TT, Warner said.

Warner, the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, further said he had no intention of responding to comments made about him by Opposition MPs in particular Rowley, Fitzgerald Hinds, and Colm Imbert.

If you remove Jack Warner and Kamla Persad-Bissessar from their speeches, they have nothing to say. They would not say how they would improve the peoples lives in the country, about the losses and rape of the Treasury, and so on, Warner said.

Yesterdays launch of the dredge, Warner said, was to improve the lives of constituents by dredging the Madame Espaniol River in Felicity. All details about cost and other details about the dredging project, Warner referred to the Environment and Water Resources Ministry, saying he was at the launch in the capacity as MP for the area.

Addressing the gathering yesterday, Warner apologised for the absence of Environment and Water Resources Minister, Ganga Singh, who was scheduled to deliver the feature address saying he (Ganga) was also the acting Attorney General.

However, Warner criticised some councillors from the Chaguanas Borough Corporation for failing to attend the launch.

At 4.30 am yesterday, Warner said he was already in a meeting at Camp Cumuto, and saw high-tech equipment used to fight crime.

I could do, but these councillors who are elected to serve the people cannot do it. In less than a year from now, they would have the vast majority of time in the world at their disposal and nothing to worry about. These are the same councillors who, when the local government called a meeting, many of them were absent, Warner noted.

Admitting he was impressed with the crime fighting technology seen earlier yesterday morning, Warner promised to return last night again to see how it is working. He also promised to make a definite statement to the general public about it, after he consults the Prime Minister and Security Council.

Chaguanas Mayor, Orlando Nagessar, welcomed the decision to dredge the river saying there was a need to do so with especially with such technology. He was of the view the idea to do such a project came from Warner, who is former Works and Infrastructure Minister.

He mentioned to us so many times that after he leaves office as MP for Chaguanas West, he wants this constituency to be the best in TT. He has been working toward this. His aim is to improve the lives of people in the community, Nagessar said.

Councillor Falisha Isahak echoed similar sentiments about Warner, and the project. She added the project means the fishermen who use the river would soon be able to go at sea freely and return likewise.

When the tide is very low, the fishermen have to get out of their pirogue and push it up the river to get back to the docking bay. That will no longer happen as the river would have a certain depth, Warner added.

President of the Felicity\Charlieville Fishing Association, David Bachan said he had the privilege of working with Warner in the last general election and truly admired him.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 29, 2012, 04:24:19 AM
Jack ignores PNMs calls to explain US$ bank account
By Rhonda Krystal Rambally (Guardian).


Opposition Senator Fitzgerald Hinds says National Security Minister Jack Warners refusal to respond to questions and concerns about an alleged US bank account in his name is a threat to the countrys democracy. Hinds likened Warners disregard to the 1990 coup attempt.

Last week, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) published its judgment surrounding allegations of bribery against former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam. The CAS found that Warner held a secret account that contained at least US$455,000.

On Friday, Warner told the media he was not prepared to answer any questions on football matters. He also knocked Hinds, PNM MP Colm Imbert and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley for constantly criticising him. The PNM held its 16th General Council meeting yesterday at Balisier House, Port-of-Spain, which was followed by a press conference.

At the meeting, it was resolved that: This general council roundly and wholly condemns the behaviour of Mr Jack Warner, MP, in respect of these matters and calls upon the Prime Minister to remove Mr Jack Warner from the Cabinet forthwith, in keeping with the protection of the public interest, the protection of the international image of Trinidad and Tobago and also in keeping with her Governments promise of good governance.

Rowley is expected to host a press conference at 11 am today to speak further on the matter. Hinds told the media the resolution called for the population to defend itself against this serious threat to good governance.

He said, We consider his disregard as a threat to the democracy, the stability and the well-being of Trinidad and Tobago, just like the events of July 27, 1990. Its as serious as that. The PNM has made repeated calls for Warners removal as a government minister.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 15, 2012, 09:43:49 AM
Bin Hammam: Payments came out of personal accounts
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Wed Aug 15, 08:52 AM
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Mohamed bin Hammam said accusations he enriched his family and supporters while president of Asian soccer are politically motivated and that he plans to fight "this clear abuse of power and process at the hand of FIFA."

In a letter to 20 Asian associations, bin Hammam confirmed he made payments to soccer officials and others but said they came out of his own bank accounts and were driven by a desire to help those in need - including Zhang Jilong, the current AFC president who ordered the PriceWaterhouseCoopers audit that instigated the investigation by FIFA's ethics committee.

"Jilong was one of those who came to me for financial support and I helped him with a significant amount from my personal account," bin Hammam wrote. "I will leave him to explain the circumstances of this to you if he wishes."

The 63-year-old Qatari had a lifetime soccer ban overturned in court in July following allegations he bribed Caribbean voters when he challenged Sepp Blatter for the FIFA presidency.

The accusations in the PWC audit are the subject of separate investigations by the Asian Football Confederation and FIFA, but have been described by Bin Hammam as "a repeat of what FIFA did immediately before I stood against Mr. Blatter in the presidential elections last year."



 
"This, of course, is yet another attempt by Zurich through the infinite tools and power of FIFA to diminish and insult Asia's name by attacking me directly following the annulment of my previous FIFA ban by the Court of Arbitration for Sport," bin Hammam wrote.

When contacted by The Associated Press, bin Hammam's U.S.-based lawyer Eugene Gulland confirmed Tuesday that the letter written on AFC letterhead was authentic.

Bin Hammam's letter cites the names of five people from Bangladesh, Nepal and Kyrgyzstan whom he says he helped, including two who have since died of cancer, one who had open-heart surgery, another for tuition fees for a FIFA program, and the family of a 16-year-old from Nepal who died while playing soccer.

"Let me declare that as a human being with the personal means to help and coming from a culture and society where this is seen as a duty, I am proud of these accusations, and I welcome them," bin Hammam wrote.

The audit accuses bin Hammam of receiving millions of dollars from individuals linked to AFC contracts and spending tens of thousands on items such as a honeymoon, dental work, haircuts and cash payments for his family. Payments are alleged to have been made to Asian, African and Caribbean soccer officials, including $250,000 to Jack Warner, the former longtime head of Caribbean soccer.

Tens of thousands of dollars were given to federation presidents and their relatives, the audit claimed, adding that most of it went into their personal bank accounts and none of it was for soccer-related expenses.

According to the audit, Gaurav Thapa, whose father heads the Nepalese federation, received $100,000 while Filipino soccer official Jose Mari Martinez was given $60,000 and had $11,226 in hospital expenses paid. Another $50,000 went to East Timorese soccer official Francisco Kalbuadi Lay, the audit found.

The audit also said that a Bangladesh soccer federation spokesman received $25,000 for tuition expenses and that its general secretary was given $20,000 to cover the cost of cancer treatment.

The head of the Nepal federation has acknowledged his son took a $100,000 loan from bin Hammam while Bangladesh soccer officials also confirmed the payments. But Martinez could not be reached for comment and Lay has refused to discuss the payments.

Bin Hammam seemed offended that the federations had been dragged into his own investigation.

"Was it necessary for those who are behind the PWC report to dig the graves of the dead to achieve their political goals? Was it necessary to NOT respect their deaths?" bin Hammam wrote. "Was it necessary to humiliate their children and families in the way I believe that the PWC report has done? Are these our Asian ethics?"

The audit said some commercial rights contracts were no-bid deals that were "considerably undervalued," and that $14 million in total was paid from several companies to the AFC for the "personal use of its president."

Bin Hammam also attacked the AFC for hiring former FBI director Louis Freeh's agency in the probe despite its evidence in the case that was overturned being "heavily criticized in the CAS judgment" for relying on "speculation rather than fact."

"My legal team has filed an immediate response to the actions of the AFC and FIFA in relation to my latest politically motivated ban," he wrote. "I will announce further steps very shortly."

Bin Hammam, who helped Qatar win the right to stage the 2022 World Cup, was AFC president from 2002 until last year.

He is serving a 90-day ban so FIFA independent prosecutor Michael Garcia can examine the audit, ensuring Bin Hammam can't immediately return to office and denying him a seat at the FIFA executive committee when it next meets in Zurich on Sept. 27-28
Title: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: SWF Reporter on September 07, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com).


Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb confirmed on Thursday that the United States Internal Revenue Services (IRS), accounting firm BDO International and global legal company Sidley Austin LLP are working in tandem to scrutinize the legacy of his predecessor and Trinidad and Tobagos National Security Minister Jack Warner.

The CONCACAF Executive was due to receive a report of these investigations at an extraordinary congress this month but Webb claimed that the scale of the operation has forced a postponement until the first quarter of 2013.

This audit is a massive undertaking that will set our financial house straight and ensure that CONCACAFs operations are executed in a responsible and ethical manner going forward, said Webb, via a media release.

This initiative was inspired by the new CONCACAFs commitment to full accountability and transparency and it is essential that we get this right so we can move on to focus on our true purpose, the development of the game.

Warner was CONCACAF president from 1991 to 2011 when he quit after being indicted by FIFA for allegedly facilitating the bribery of Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials.

Webb, the 47-year-old former Cayman Islands Football Association (CIFA) president, replaced Warner at the CONCACAF helm in May while the 38-year-old Colombia-born Enrique Sanz, a former director at football marketing company Traffic, was named as the successor to outgoing general secretary Chuck Blazer.

It appears that Webb and the present CONCACAF Executive are not prepared to forgive and forget where Warner is concerned.

In a release to the CONCACAF member associations, Webb insisted that the confederation was still investigating the ownership of the Joo Havelange Centre of Excellence in Macoya.

Read More (http://www.wired868.com/2012/09/07/irs-investigates-warners-concacaf-legacy/)

Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: SWF Reporter on September 11, 2012, 10:19:24 AM
Jack confuffles the Guardian
By Mr Live Wire (Wired868.com)

National Security Minister Jack Warner was up to his old Jedi mind tricks yesterday as he denied any suggestion that he was being investigated by the IRS and, possibly sensing the chance to rewrite history, added the bizarre claim that: I have never faced a court or have enquiry against me. Nobody has accused me, I never take money from anybody pocket and I have no allegations of any kind.
The Trinidad Guardian published Warners monologue without contradiction although he is currently under police investigation, a High Court Judge is insisting he be brought to court over his part in millions of missing World Cup revenue, FIFA indicted him as an accessory to bribery last year, he was named in several local multi-million lawsuits over the last two years including a successful suit by Khelwalaas Engineering for breach of contract and he was the target of a national Commission of Inquiry in 1990 over the 19 November 1989 World Cup ticket fiasco.
Read More: http://www.wired868.com/2012/09/11/jack-confuffles-the-guardian/
Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: Andre on September 11, 2012, 12:09:34 PM
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.
Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: Bakes on September 11, 2012, 01:17:06 PM
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.

I could only roll my eyes at the misplaced focus sometimes... but right you are.  This is a non-story, the IRS has no jurisdiction over Jack... file this with the "Warner being investigated by FBI" stories.
Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: Football supporter on September 11, 2012, 03:55:20 PM
let them investigate. jack is a trini. they cyah do nothing if he money not in US banks.

I could only roll my eyes at the misplaced focus sometimes... but right you are.  This is a non-story, the IRS has no jurisdiction over Jack... file this with the "Warner being investigated by FBI" stories.

So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking  ???
Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: Bakes on September 11, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking  ???

1. Tax evasion (even assuming Jack is guilty of that) is not the same as money laundering.  Money laundering is, figuratively speaking, taking dirty money (ill-gotten gains; or derived from illegal sources) and 'washing' it thru a series of legitimate transactions.  Tax evasion is failure to pay taxes on taxable income, whether illegally derived or not.

2. Highly unlikely that any government would extradite (or seek extradition of) any individual for tax evasion.  Can't rule it out, but seems highly unlikely.

3. The IRS can tax anyone, on any income earned in the US, so yes, they can investigate any income Jack earned in the US.  By law they can only investigate the previous three tax years.  Jack has been out of football for the past year and a half... let alone earning money in the US (presumably thru his football activities).  So what period are they allegedly investigating?

It should be noted that the article says that the IRS is investigating CONCACAF... not Jack Warner.

Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: Football supporter on September 11, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
So, if, for example, there was evidence of tax evasion or money laundering engineered by Warner, the IRS couldn't extradite him? I thought that the international money laundering laws were designed to cross borders? What about non payment of tax in T&T? You're only not taxed on income earned in USA by the IRS if that income has been taxed in your home nation. Just asking  ???

1. Tax evasion (even assuming Jack is guilty of that) is not the same as money laundering.  Money laundering is, figuratively speaking, taking dirty money (ill-gotten gains; or derived from illegal sources) and 'washing' it thru a series of legitimate transactions.  Tax evasion is failure to pay taxes on taxable income, whether illegally derived or not.

2. Highly unlikely that any government would extradite (or seek extradition of) any individual for tax evasion.  Can't rule it out, but seems highly unlikely.

3. The IRS can tax anyone, on any income earned in the US, so yes, they can investigate any income Jack earned in the US.  By law they can only investigate the previous three tax years.  Jack has been out of football for the past year and a half... let alone earning money in the US (presumably thru his football activities).  So what period are they allegedly investigating?

It should be noted that the article says that the IRS is investigating CONCACAF... not Jack Warner.



I did say tax evasion or money laundering!!  And perhaps I should have made it clear, I was referring to the possibility of someone laundering cash from CONCACAF or not declaring income from CONCACAF for taxation purposes.

Most nations have a dual taxation policy which allows a foreign national to pay tax in his own country if he chooses, providing they are domiciled there. However, that person must prove to the host nation that they are indeed paying tax on the money earned in the host nation. I'm a bit rusty with this now, but it is a common occurance with footballers playing overseas.

Typically, people pay tax in the host nation, particularly in UK where there is a Pay As You Earn system of taxation. However, people with multiple sources of income may prefer to pay one tax bill in their domiciled nation. Hence why multi millionaires become domiciled in tax havens such as Monaco or Cayman Isles. As with all tax issues, it is down to the individual to prove that taxes have been paid, which is simple if you have indeed, paid tax.

So, if you are domiciled in USA, thats where you pay tax, but if you live overseas but get paid by a company in USA (i.e. CONCACAF), you could elect to take a gross payment directly into your overseas bank account. However, if requested by IRS, you are obliged to provide proof that the income is taxed in your homeland.

I agree it is unlikely that the IRS would extradite over a relatively small amount of money, but the IRS is known to persue tax evaders who flee overseas, and most countries take it quite seriously, and I believe in China it carries the death penalty!

But the situation with Warner is a little different as it appears that there are many motivated parties who want to see him charged with something, so, who knows?
Title: Re: IRS investigates Warners CONCACAF legacy
Post by: Bakes on September 11, 2012, 10:15:00 PM
I did say tax evasion or money laundering!!  And perhaps I should have made it clear, I was referring to the possibility of someone laundering cash from CONCACAF or not declaring income from CONCACAF for taxation purposes.

Most nations have a dual taxation policy which allows a foreign national to pay tax in his own country if he chooses, providing they are domiciled there. However, that person must prove to the host nation that they are indeed paying tax on the money earned in the host nation. I'm a bit rusty with this now, but it is a common occurance with footballers playing overseas.

Typically, people pay tax in the host nation, particularly in UK where there is a Pay As You Earn system of taxation. However, people with multiple sources of income may prefer to pay one tax bill in their domiciled nation. Hence why multi millionaires become domiciled in tax havens such as Monaco or Cayman Isles. As with all tax issues, it is down to the individual to prove that taxes have been paid, which is simple if you have indeed, paid tax.

So, if you are domiciled in USA, thats where you pay tax, but if you live overseas but get paid by a company in USA (i.e. CONCACAF), you could elect to take a gross payment directly into your overseas bank account. However, if requested by IRS, you are obliged to provide proof that the income is taxed in your homeland.

I agree it is unlikely that the IRS would extradite over a relatively small amount of money, but the IRS is known to persue tax evaders who flee overseas, and most countries take it quite seriously, and I believe in China it carries the death penalty!

But the situation with Warner is a little different as it appears that there are many motivated parties who want to see him charged with something, so, who knows?

You did say "or"... and I'm telling you this is not a case of money laundering... shouldn't even be in the discussion as there is no suggestion of Jack coming by the money illegally and trying to 'wash' it.

As for dual taxation... there is no choice, you pay taxes based on where the income is earned. A footballer plying his trade in the UK pays British taxes, not TnT taxes. If Jack earned income in the US that's where he pays his taxes, not in TnT.  If he pays no taxes in the US then TnT may try to extract a share, but the US is the primary jurisdiction.

The IRS is unlikely to seek extradition (thru the Justice Department) on ANY tax case... unless it's some stratospheric amount.  It's just not worth the hassle... people are rarely prosecuted except in the most egregious cases.  The IRS has way more in its arsenal to collect back taxes than prosecution.

As for Warner... no one in the US government is interested in Jack Warner... his "crimes" just aren't a priority here in the US.  I'd be surprised if anybody outside of football even knows his name.
Title: Wired868 examines the audacity of Jack Warner
Post by: SWF Reporter on September 19, 2012, 01:44:16 PM
Chants of a madman
By Kirk A Inniss (Wired868.com)


People woke up a few days ago to Jack Warner making some incredible comments. The social media pages were abuzz and if our country was any bigger we could have crashed servers with the video clip of the Minister of national Security featuring in yet another interview while managing to leave shame safely tucked away in the last decade.

However, he remains forever within the reach of scandal.

Notwithstanding his penchant for economy with the truth, it is difficult for Mr Warner to say something that actually surprises me. Like most of the country, I too am now almost immune to the disease caused by whatever new allegations he faces.  Almost immune.

And in that adverb, perhaps, lies a sad tale of how we have all evolved where Uncle Jack is concerned, an evolution which is both noteworthy and sad at the same time.

Now I have always been - and expect always to be - a firm believer in freedom of the press. Free press, yes, useless press, no, emphatically no!

An article that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever is to me useless press. Or writing that Lionel Messi is the best footballer the world has seen over the last three years. Or that the PP, the AG, the CoP or the MoNS does not now have a handle on violent crime. Completely useless, a waste of vital resources and, in my case, valuable morning time.

There is also the issue of useless advice.

To me, useless advice is a current West Indian cricketer talking about achieving success in difficult times. Or Abu Bakr recommending that the country focus on the negative effects of dangerous crimes. Or even Calder Hart lecturing UWI School of Business graduates on the need for transparency in the business sector.

Yet within three months time, a political lifetime I am told, Jack Warner has been at the centre of not one but two useless articles. Articles so useless I wouldnt even use the paper they were printed on to wipe a dirty lamp shade.

Articles that are so crazy that even a lunatic certified by St. Anns might call them mad. I can sum up the way I felt about the front page article where Jack Warner accuses Orville London of poor money management and accounting practices within the THA in one word: useless.

And I can sum up Warners last rant about not being investigated by the IRS in three words: totally, totally useless.

Now I have no inside information about Londons handling of the THAs money. But on his public record, I trust him infinitely more than I trust Warner.

Of course, trust is used loosely here because London is a politician and only a fool or a madman does not know that at least in T&T trustworthy politician' and 'competent policeman' fall into the same category. I trust my 5-year-old son to guard a litre of ice-cream and a spider-man character cake more than I trust Warner with a piggy-bank full of rusty one-cent coins.

In a sense, though, saying you trust someone more than you trust Jack Warner is itself useless because everyone knows you cant trust him at all. Everyone, that is, except the Prime Minister and perhaps some members of the PP.

Two precious mornings of mine have been wasted reading articles about Jack Warner questioning London about money, spending and his accounting record, seeing Warner pelting stone like if he is without sin. I had to keep going back to both headlines ever so often to confirm that there was no mistake and it really was Jack himself making these comments.

Once or twice, I even checked the date, thinking maybe this was an April Fools joke or something. But I eventually came to the obvious conclusion: Jack Warner have more belly than a calabash and is such a low-down dirty s.o.b that he could even make Keenan Ivory Wayans blush.

Where morality is concerned, T&T, Jack Warner is way down the totem pole; right after Allen Sanford and just before the as-yet-unconvicted Calder Hart whose presumption of innocence is therefore also maintained. With his public recordthe list is loooooooooooooooooong, starting in 1989what gives him the right to question anyones money handling practices or integrity?

He is also the last person in T&T, maybe even on earth who can seriously claim that his public life is a blameless example of wonderful and trusting leadership. Ignorance may be blisstemporarily!but I am willing to bet that the IRS doesnt accept that as a permanent excuse.

Hear Uncle Jack as he is quoted in one of the newspaper articles referred to above:
For 48 years, you had a PNM government ruling T&T and they did not do in 48 years what we have done in less than 48 months. Why? And they are so bold-faced, they have prepared a THA document purporting to improve the political life of Tobagonians and one of the main things they have mentioned in it is that they must be given the right to fix their own salaries.

Since this is neither a Maths nor a History lesson, I wont bother to point out to the former history teacher that the PNM didnt govern for 48 years. There are, after all, none so blind as those politicians who will not see. But I am glad to note that Uncle Jack was apparently appalled by the idea that the THA should have the right to fix their own salaries.

I mean, what type of lunacy is this? Are members of the THA trying to give FIFA competition?

And then there is this gem of a comment from Mr Suddenly-holier-than-thou:
corruption with public funds was rampant and was being used (sic) to enrich private citizens, houses were being given away with no transparency and cash donations were being made to all types of activities.

I would give anything to have been present when Mr Jack Warner spoke this sentence and be able to see his expression. Did he keep a straight face? I couldnt when I read it in the newspaper. Forget one calabash, try a thousand; the man put not only a capital G in gumption, he put all eight letters in capitals!

But the day must come when we tell politicians how we really feel and stop feeding the misconception that we are a senseless mob who cant see through smoke screens, whole lies and half-truths.

Why else would Jack now care about Tobago? Why else would he offer to give useless information about Orville Londons money practices? What could have made Jack wake up on the right side of his bed and start believing that auditing is a necessity? Suddenly, just like that, he just get a vaps?

Why were good money handling procedures not an issue in the lead-up toand the aftermath ofa certain November day over 20 years ago? How is it that record keeping was not on top of Mr Warners agenda regarding Haiti and the TTFA/TTFF and the 2006 World Cup and the money that is still outstanding to the Soca Warriors?

Where are the public records regarding his non-ownership of the Centre of Excellence and Simpaul Travel? Where are the truthful answers to questions about questionable business regarding World Cup tickets and contracts awarded during the Under-17 World Cup

And the beat goes on and on.

Jack Warner, meanwhile, seems determined to pay the piper so that he can call his own tune and continue to march to his own beat.

Day does only run, remember, until night ketch it and one day, one day congotay

But there is worse.

Here, for those who missed it, is Minister of National Security and often Acting Prime Minister Jack Warner in yet another useless interview where he is never asked anything that really matters and evidently continues to think that pulling wool over T&T peoples eyes and taking candy from a baby are one and the same thing.

Ah mean, as the late Keith Smith would say, why else would he think that he can say this and not cause everyone to simply hold they belly and start laughing hysterically?

I have never faced a court or have an enquiry against me. Nobody has accused me, I never take money from anybody pocket and I have no allegations of any kind.

As I heard that comment, I was forced to wonder just how Jack Warner really sees the citizens of this country, to ask myself what he really thinks about the voting public. I was also forced to wonder about the countrys journalists, who sit or stand so much in awe or in fear of the man that is Jack Warner that they cannot find the heart or the courage to ask one basic question that would immediately expose the utter absurdity of the claim and underline for all to see the mans amazing propensity for economy with the truth.

And the questions recurred when I read the report in the press the next day. Wouldnt it have been wonderful for the journalist(s) to remind Jack of his laundry list of questionable financial affairs? Wouldnt it have been easy for the article in question to take the time to point out that Jacks claim of ignorance is not a valid excuse?

I also couldnt help but wonder about those in authority and about which leader is going to have the courageor to take another perspective, the follyto finally hold Warner accountable for something bigger than a breach of contract.

The same article that carried that last priceless quote had Mr Warner taking the time to add this:
I am sad that we are allowing ourselves to be the laughing stock of the world.

For once and only this once, I agree 100% with him. Because when I had first heard his my-hands-are-clean comment on the television, the background music that came loudly out of nowhere into my head through my ears was David Rudders Chant of a Madman.

Jack Warner, I found myself thinking, is either a complete lunatic who is simply waiting on his room assignment and the arrival of a strait-jacket from St. Anns.

Or maybe we all are.

The writer of this piece thinks that Calder Hart and Jack Warner will make good All-Fours partners. And maybe fellow inmates too, not necessarily at St Anns

Title: Re: Wired868 examines the audacity of Jack Warner
Post by: Sando on September 19, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Shouldn't this be in the general section ?
Title: Re: Wired868 examines the audacity of Jack Warner
Post by: zuluwarrior on September 20, 2012, 04:37:24 PM
http://tunein.com/radio/i955-FM-s50075/ 

Tony Harford and wireed868 on right now with Andre Baptiste
Title: Re: Wired868 examines the audacity of Jack Warner
Post by: ZANDOLIE on September 20, 2012, 05:49:54 PM
According to Harford his association with Jack is over, and the money situation so bad that Anton Corneal and all had to look for an alternative source of income to put food on the table. The favoured sons are now swallowing some bitter pills.

Football is in complete shutdown mode, and ironically at a time when we have a 'golden generation of young footballers coming up. Their talent is being squandered and they will be reduced to another lost generation.





Title: Re: Warner says he got World Cup TV Rights for $1
Post by: Flex on September 26, 2012, 02:46:21 AM
Leading companies acquire Concacaf broadcast rights
T&T Express Reports.
Sep 25, 2012.


A deal to market the region's football to most parts of the world has been reached between two leading sports promotions companies and CONCACAF.

The joint bid from World Sport Group and Traffic Sports for the confederation's international media rights has been accepted, CONCACAF announced in a statement, yesterday.

 "This is yet another broadcast agreement that will contribute to elevating our properties as global brands while expanding the reaches of our football," said CONCACAF president, Jeffrey Webb.

The two-year pact was reached after assessments of the bids by a three-man CONCACAF Evaluation Committee, comprising president of the Grenada Football Association Cheney Joseph, Canadian Soccer Association president Victor Montagliani and Costa Rica Football Association president Eduardo Li.

Under terms of the deal, World Sport Group and Traffic Sports have the right to market CONCACAF football in all territories outside of the CFU and Latin American region.

The agreement includes full-match and highlight television broadcast rights for the 2013 Gold Cup, CONCACAF's biennial championship for national teams, the 2012/13 and 2013/14 editions of the CONCACAF Champions League, the UNCAF Copa Centroamericana, as well as next year's CONCACAF Men's Under-17 and Under-20 Championships.

World Sport Group is Asia's leading sports marketing, media and event management company, while Traffic Sports USA, based in Miami, is a football event management company.

Over the years, Traffic Sports has had the rights to competitions in the CFU region.

CONCACAF officials are anticipating a significant increase in revenue, as a result of this new joint initiative between Traffic Sports and World Sport .

CMC

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on September 27, 2012, 05:25:50 PM
Posted on WIRED868  27th September



Mr. Kenneth Gordon

Chairman

The Integrity Commission of Trinidad & Tobago

3rd & 4th Floors, UTC Financial Centre

82 Independence Square

Port of Spain

 

Dear Mr. Gordon,

We write to enquire on the status of requests we made of the Integrity Commission via letters dated April 2, 2012 and July 26, 2012 (enclosed for ease of reference) with regard to the pursuit of investigations into matters involving Mr. Jack Warner.  We are thankful for your letter dated August 8, 2012 acknowledging receipt of the latter.

We respectfully reiterate our belief that urgent consideration be given to pursuing these matters. 

In light of the assertions by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) which included the suggestion that Mr. Warner might have held an account(s) where funds may have been co-mingled, we call on you to, if within your scope of authority, request from all banks in Trinidad & Tobago, any and all information on accounts to which Mr. Warner was and remains a signatory so that a forensic audit can be conducted. 

The supporting documentation provided with the September 27th letter raises grave concerns about a Local Organizing Committee (LOC) Germany 2006 bank account over which it seems Mr. Warner had exclusive control.  This account was found to be active as recently as 2009.

 

We look forward your response.

 

Respectfully,

Kirk Waithe
Title: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Flex on October 09, 2012, 03:58:14 AM
Warner: I never made money from football.
T&T Newsday Reports.


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday alleged mismanagement at the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation as he sought to explain a letter written by him urging Sports Minister Anil Roberts to not authorise funds to the entity.

On Friday, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley raised the issue of a letter dated April 20 from Warner, then Works Minister, to Roberts. Rowley said this letter in relation to TTFF funding came amid a FIFA ban of Warner, pending probe into FIFA bribery allegations.

Warner yesterday said he never gained from football at any stage in his career.

At no point in time have I ever tried to make money on football in Trinidad and Tobago, Warner said. I was not banned from football anywhere by anyone at anytime.

No one banned me from football. I have been in football for 29 consecutive years. And everything I have done in my life have been for football. Nobody before me has done more than what I have done for football in this country. And it will take a long time for anybody after me to do that.

Warners statements came amid lingering questions over allegation of bribery in relation to the 2011 FIFA presidential elections in which he has failed to deny handing out thousands in cash to members of the Caribbean Football Union at a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain.

Warner was also involved in a FIFA ticketing scandal where a travel agency tied to his family was alleged to have profited. He was reported to have been made to pay a fine.

While Warner said he was never banned, he was in fact suspended from football last year, during the probe of the bribery investigations, shortly before he quit his plush post as FIFA vice-president in a move which triggered FIFA (for unclear reasons) to end its investigations against him.

Warner also was heavily criticised in a ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport for administering a secret US-dollar football bank account.

Years ago, Warner was criticised for overselling a highly-anticipated football match at the National Stadium.

Warner accussed the TTFF of mismanagement, in particular its president Tony Harford. He criticised Harford for taking a 15 percent fee on $11 million in funding, contrasting this with NIBs 1.5 percent fee for billions in projects.

I thought it was wrong to charge 15 percent, Warner said. I dont care what anybody says it was wrong. And that has to change.

Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.

Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: FF on October 09, 2012, 05:37:00 AM
At no point in time have I ever tried to make money on football in Trinidad and Tobago, Warner said. I was not banned from football anywhere by anyone at anytime.


Just one for you...

Explain Simpaul yuh dutty stinking lying mudder cnut!  :pissedoff:

Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.



and yuh fncking lie!!  :cursing:
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: D.H.W on October 09, 2012, 05:41:55 AM
Wow is he for real. Lol
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: pardners on October 09, 2012, 05:47:01 AM
Warner: I never made money from football.
T&T Newsday Reports.



Warner accussed the TTFF of mismanagement, in particular its president Tony Harford. He criticised Harford for taking a 15 percent fee on $11 million in funding, contrasting this with NIBs 1.5 percent fee for billions in projects.

I thought it was wrong to charge 15 percent, Warner said. I dont care what anybody says it was wrong. And that has to change.

Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.



Who get it wrong...the reporter or Warner ?  ???
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Deeks on October 09, 2012, 06:26:49 AM
Remraw, haul yuh lyin' arse!!!
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Jah Gol on October 09, 2012, 06:49:57 AM
The sky is green.
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Bourbon on October 09, 2012, 07:13:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/cYkqMT6HKD0
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 09, 2012, 09:25:38 AM
So jack never made money from Simpauls or the Center of Excellence?

Diversionary tactics/panic notwithstanding, the issue is not whether you made money or not. Why is the acting prime minister who had claimed to have completely left football behind him now so interested in who runs the cfu?
Title: Warner misquotes himself over controversial letter to Sport Minister
Post by: SWF Reporter on October 09, 2012, 09:28:45 AM
Warner misquotes himself over controversial letter
By Mr Live Wire (Wired868.com)


National Security Minister Jack Warner further highlighted the importance of Wired868s existence yesterday when he misquoted himself during his budget contribution yesterday.

Warner claimed to have told Sport Minister Anil Roberts, in a letter on government letterhead, that: and therefore I would suggest that you tell them (TTFF) the gravity of the situation that it may even affect their funding.   

Had the former FIFA vice-president first refreshed his memory by reading Wired868.com, he should have remembered that his words actually were:

I wish to recommend that no support be provided to the TTFF I suggest therefore that the government of Trinidad and Tobago do not contribute one cent to any organisation that fails to support the progress of its people.

Just to be clear, Warner suggested that the organisation which does not support its people is the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) due to its unwillingness to back his friend Harold Taylorbelieved to be at least 79-years-oldfor the post of Caribbean football president. Incidentally, Warner removed Taylor from a CFU executive post, seven years earlier, on the grounds that he was too old.

Warner was not referring to the Sport Ministry that funds events for private clubs like the Queens Park Cricket Club while coaches, taxi drivers, caterers and tutors involved with the national football teams go unpaid. And he certainly did not mean the football body under his watch, which refused to honour commitments to 23 World Cup 2006 squad members and Chaconia Gold medal recipients.

Mr Live Wire knows how much Warner despises shoddy journalism and he must have been livid about misquoting himself. And, worryingly, the National Security Minister knows where Warner lives.

Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Bally on October 09, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/cYkqMT6HKD0

that's ahh good one  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Bally on October 09, 2012, 09:44:20 AM
Remember when the under 17 world cup was hosted in Trinidad in 2002 when your restaurant coal pot was the only company could sell food in the stadiums
Title: Re: Warner misquotes himself over controversial letter to Sport Minister
Post by: D.H.W on October 09, 2012, 09:45:42 AM
Lol this man jokey yes
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: DeSoWa on October 09, 2012, 10:23:16 AM
He right...he eh make no money from football, he TAKE money from football!

Big Up!
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: kaliman2006 on October 09, 2012, 10:24:28 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh gorsh, I am weak....

Good one Jack. There is that Trini sense of humour that I love.
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: MEP on October 09, 2012, 11:21:32 AM
is this the laugh for the day????
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Football supporter on October 09, 2012, 11:23:13 AM
Warner misquotes himself over controversial letter

Posted Tuesday 9 October 2012 by Mr. Live Wire in Good Morning

National Security Minister Jack Warner further highlighted the importance of Wired868 after he misquoted himself during his budget contribution yesterday.

Warner claimed to have told Sport Minister Anil Roberts, in a letter on government letterhead, that: and therefore I would suggest that you tell them (TTFF) the gravity of the situation that it may even affect their funding.

Had the former FIFA vice-president first refreshed his memory by reading Wired868.com, he should have remembered that his words actually were:

I wish to recommend that no support be provided to the TTFF I suggest therefore that the government of Trinidad and Tobago do not contribute one cent to any organisation that fails to support the progress of its people.

Just to be clear, Warner suggested that the organisation which does not support its people is the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) due to its unwillingness to back his friend Harold Taylorbelieved to be at least 79-years-oldfor the post of Caribbean football president. Incidentally, Warner removed Taylor from a CFU executive post, seven years earlier, on the grounds that he was too old.

Warner was not referring to the Sport Ministry that funds events for private clubs like the Queens Park Cricket Club while coaches, taxi drivers, caterers and tutors involved with the national football teams go unpaid. And he certainly did not mean the football body under his watch, which refused to honour commitments to 23 World Cup 2006 squad members and Chaconia Gold medal recipients.

Mr Live Wire knows how much Warner despises shoddy journalism and he must have been livid about misquoting himself. And, worryingly, the National Security Minister knows where Warner lives.
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: vb on October 09, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
Lord deliver us from this shameless FOKK!!!!
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: mukumsplau on October 09, 2012, 11:57:36 AM
i had a rather loud  chuckle that progressively grew while reading that
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: weary1969 on October 09, 2012, 12:04:05 PM
He right...he eh make no money from football, he TAKE money from football!

Big Up!

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: giggsy11 on October 09, 2012, 12:44:05 PM
Warner: I never made money from football.
T&T Newsday Reports.


NATIONAL Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday alleged mismanagement at the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation as he sought to explain a letter written by him urging Sports Minister Anil Roberts to not authorise funds to the entity.

On Friday, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley raised the issue of a letter dated April 20 from Warner, then Works Minister, to Roberts. Rowley said this letter in relation to TTFF funding came amid a FIFA ban of Warner, pending probe into FIFA bribery allegations.

Warner yesterday said he never gained from football at any stage in his career.

At no point in time have I ever tried to make money on football in Trinidad and Tobago,” Warner said. “I was not banned from football anywhere by anyone at anytime.

No one banned me from football. I have been in football for 29 consecutive years. And everything I have done in my life have been for football. Nobody before me has done more than what I have done for football in this country. And it will take a long time for anybody after me to do that.”

Warner’s statements came amid lingering questions over allegation of bribery in relation to the 2011 FIFA presidential elections in which he has failed to deny handing out thousands in cash to members of the Caribbean Football Union at a meeting at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain.

Warner was also involved in a FIFA ticketing scandal where a travel agency tied to his family was alleged to have profited. He was reported to have been made to pay a fine.

While Warner said he was never banned, he was in fact suspended from football last year, during the probe of the bribery investigations, shortly before he quit his plush post as FIFA vice-president in a move which triggered FIFA (for unclear reasons) to end its investigations against him.

Warner also was heavily criticised in a ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport for administering a secret US-dollar football bank account.

Years ago, Warner was criticised for overselling a highly-anticipated football match at the National Stadium.

Warner accussed the TTFF of mismanagement, in particular its president Tony Harford. He criticised Harford for taking a 15 percent fee on $11 million in funding, contrasting this with NIB’s 1.5 percent fee for billions in projects.

“I thought it was wrong to charge 15 percent,” Warner said. “I don’t care what anybody says it was wrong. And that has to change.”

Warner did not say whether fees should inversely relate to the scale of sums under management. He also criticised the rental of a property at Anna Street, Woodbrook, for $46,000 a month. He said he, and his family, housed the TTFF rent free at Dundonald Street for four years.



He is correct-he didn't TRY, he was successful in making money from Trnidad football!
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Deeks on October 09, 2012, 01:00:35 PM
this man suffering from convenient amnesia.
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Big Magician on October 09, 2012, 01:10:41 PM
oh god oh....

we is real cacaholes yes

good fuh we
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Dutty on October 09, 2012, 01:53:48 PM
Poor Jack, he forgettin how to lie about he lies.

Horner go still be he ride or die chick tho.
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: lefty on October 09, 2012, 02:59:25 PM
offtopic

eh dutty wey u does come up wit dem ..........errrrrrr..........."facts"............... jed ???
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Tierra on October 09, 2012, 04:26:51 PM
"Warner yesterday said he never gained from football at any stage in his career".----------- :rotfl:


Mark 8:36 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul ?
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: diamondtrim on October 09, 2012, 04:59:28 PM
wow...
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Bourbon on October 09, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
And I want allyuh to notice the papers who print this. Local based especially.....compare dem and dey daily publications with the other daily newspapers. See if yuh notice their approach.
Title: Re: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: D.H.W on October 09, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
And I want allyuh to notice the papers who print this. Local based especially.....compare dem and dey daily publications with the other daily newspapers. See if yuh notice their approach.

Yeh I noticed that too.
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: injunchile on October 10, 2012, 05:46:49 AM
Well you cant make something that is already there? so the man is right . He benefited,,embezzled, extort money from football. There is something called Harvest time- The day of judgment- When all shall be revealed. Notice Jack has been praying a lot, check him out at Mt StBenedict. Judgment is mine said the Lord, But then forgiveness is always an option , if he would come clean. If Jack had listened to his grandmother he would hear those words of wisdom- What you do in the dark will come to light, and the longest rope has an end.
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: D.H.W on October 10, 2012, 06:23:57 AM
Why he does go church for anyway?
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: weary1969 on October 10, 2012, 07:15:03 AM
wow...

Dat is yuh boi
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: diamondtrim on October 10, 2012, 07:20:49 AM
wow...

Dat is yuh boi

Maybe....but being 'mih boy' doesn't mean that I accept everything.

I've long ago, and numerous times at that, made my feelings clear on JW and his dealings....some I agree with and some I don't. But at some point one begins to wonder if he's sane...literally.

Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: Brownsugar on October 10, 2012, 07:23:13 AM
wow...

Dat is yuh boi

Maybe....but being 'mih boy' doesn't mean that I accept everything.

I've long ago, and numerous times at that, made my feelings clear on JW and his dealings....some I agree with and some I don't. But at some point one begins to wonder if he's sane...literally.



uuuuummmmmm....you now beginning to wonder??   ::) ::)
Title: Re: Warner: I never made money from football
Post by: weary1969 on October 10, 2012, 07:34:09 AM
wow...

Dat is yuh boi

Maybe....but being 'mih boy' doesn't mean that I accept everything.

I've long ago, and numerous times at that, made my feelings clear on JW and his dealings....some I agree with and some I don't. But at some point one begins to wonder if he's sane...literally.



uuuuummmmmm....you now beginning to wonder??   ::) ::)

He like them women on I did not know I was pregnant. By d time they figure it own d baby ready to arrive.
Title: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: dreamer on November 25, 2012, 06:16:36 AM
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/___Commission_makes_enquiry_on_Jack_too-180715401.html


Integrity Commission investigates complaint against Warners FIFAs activities
By Irene Medina Associate Editor.


$M ACCOUNTS UNDER PROBE

At least one person has been interviewed by investigators from the Integrity Commission regarding allegations against National Security Minister Jack Warner in connection with his FIFA activities.
 
The Commission's probe was initiated following correspondence to its chairman Ken Gordon, dated July 26, 2012 and again on September 27 from activist group Fixin T&T signed by one of its directors Kirk Waithe.
 
Last Friday, Warner, who also sits on the National Security Council, chaired by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar confirmed to the Sunday Express that he had been contacted by the Integrity Commission.
 
Asked if he was aware of complaints made against him to the Commission specifically related to the Local Organising Committee (LOC) 2006 account which handled funds generated by the country's World Cup qualifying campaign, he said yes, but denied that his discussions with the Commission were as a result of complaints made by Waithe.
 
"I had discussions with the Commission but it was not as a result of any complaints by Kirk Waithe. I was contacted because the Commission said that my Form A was incomplete and there were other issues with my Form B," he said.
 
He said he was "totally dismissive" of Waithe, adding, "He could do what he wants."
 
A check with the Commission's website revealed that the Form A is a confidential document which instructs a public officer to declare his/her income, assets and liabilities. It calls for complete details of income not just of the public officer but their spouse and dependent children and requests specifically all income from jobs, dividends, properties, and from other sources.
 
Along with his July letter, Waithe submitted documents, including copies of cheques, invoices and bank statements pertinent to Warner, a former vice president of the International Football Federation (FIFA) ,and a Local Organising Committee (LOC) Germany 2006 bank account.
 
Documents shared with the Commission indicated that the LOC 2006 Germany Company Ltd, had in its possession some $180 million in funding for the 2006 World Cup in Germany, and accountability questions are being asked about these funds.
 
Waithe told the Commission's chairman that based on the information and reports on the recent ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) his organisation was requesting a full investigation into Minister Warner, relative to alleged breaches of the Integrity in Public Life Act.
 
The Commission was also asked to "request from all banks in Trinidad and Tobago, information on any and all accounts to which Minister Warner was and remains a signatory so that a forensic audit can be conducted".
 
Waithe and his pressure group also called on the Integrity Commission to enlist the assistance and support of the Board of Inland Revenue in this investigation.
 
Their second letter, two months later, called on the Commission's chairman Gordon to provide an update with regards the pursuit of the investigation.
 
On October 19 this year, the Integrity Commission called Waithe's office to schedule an interview, and according to him, "I met with two investigators of the IC at their offices in the Unit Trust building on Independence Square at 11 a.m. on Tuesday, October 23, 2012. We met for about 90 minutes.
 
I have spoken with one of the investigators via telephone at least three times since then, inquiring on any progress made."
 
Waithe said: "Based on our meeting and subsequent conversations, I am of the view that an investigation consistent with the requests we made has been launched."
 
The Sunday Express wrote to the Commission via email on November 21, asking if the Commission had launched a formal investigation into Warner, relative to any breaches to the Integrity in Public Life Act, and if so, what are the areas, how long ago, and if the minister was made aware of such a probe.
 
Registrar Martin Farrell in his response did not deny that such an investigation had been initiated, but invoked a confidentiality cover saying, "The Integrity Commission is not in a position to comment on your request. As you will appreciate, having regard to the nature of its mandate under the Integrity in Public Life Act, the Commission is required to treat with all matters with the utmost confidentiality."
 
Questioned on the matter, Waithe told the Sunday Express that the documentation that has come to hand causes grave concern and raises many questions and asked, "Why was there transfer of monies from the TTFF account to (other) accounts?"
 
A perusal of the documents showed that a 2007 TTFF Account Register recorded a deposit of $10,164,000 of public funds from the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs on July 13, and a transfer of $6.7 million ten days later to a private account.
 
Also in 2007, according to the documents shared with the Commission was a payment of $322,000 paid from a TTFF account to a private account, and between 2007 and 2009, huge transfers were made to a private account, one of which was a whopping $20,475,095 from a second TTFF account.
 
Warner, meanwhile slammed Waithe, whom he accused of plotting to bring the government down.
 
"I have also been advised that Mr Waithe has written about 16 letters to the Commission about me and other members of the government. His objective is to bring down the government, that's what he said publicly," Warner said.
 
He further accused the Fixin T&T director of being in alliance with the Opposition PNM and of breaking the law.
 
"I know all about him, he is funding the PNM and is part of a five-man committee to rebrand the political leader of the PNM.
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: D.H.W on November 25, 2012, 06:29:33 AM
Good!
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: socalion on November 25, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
jack warner boy please say this is not so ,  robinhood doh have nothing on you  , imagine an approximate  37 plus million dollars transferred  to private  accounts  , well well well   , incredible  !!!!
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Jack Horner on November 25, 2012, 09:05:31 AM
You guys don't get it right.

This is all to show the public that he is doing his job.

Gally did the same and was shown the door quickly, now he is hiding under a rock somewhere in Chaguanas.

Warner is not going anywhere.

Infact, myself and a few others including Mr Warner had a few drinks with the Integrity Commission for Independence, he is a close friend to the family.
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Bourbon on November 25, 2012, 09:30:14 AM
You guys don't get it right.

This is all to show the public that he is doing his job.

Gally did the same and was shown the door quickly, now he is hiding under a rock somewhere in Chaguanas.

Warner is not going anywhere.

Infact, myself and a few others including Mr Warner had a few drinks with the Integrity Commission for Independence, he is a close friend to the family.


Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: D.H.W on November 25, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
You guys don't get it right.

This is all to show the public that he is doing his job.

Gally did the same and was shown the door quickly, now he is hiding under a rock somewhere in Chaguanas.

Warner is not going anywhere.

Infact, myself and a few others including Mr Warner had a few drinks with the Integrity Commission for Independence, he is a close friend to the family.

Yuh suddenly come out of yuh hole now?
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Jack Horner on November 25, 2012, 09:58:31 AM
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.

Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?

One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.

You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.

Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.

But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.

Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 25, 2012, 11:32:12 AM
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.

Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?

One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.

You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.

Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.

But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.


Lol
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Socaman on November 25, 2012, 11:58:24 AM
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.

Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?

One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.

You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.

Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.

But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.



" But Jack and Kamla will soon change that" yuh talking ah pack of crap :bs:
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Observer on November 25, 2012, 12:02:55 PM
Yuh know if dis true den dahs a ironic conflict of interest.

Hello, this is Trinidad and Tobago we are talking about here, does conflict of interest exist?

One thing I cant understand about foreign Trinis, I assume many of you here are based there including Flex.

You guys keep thinking in a foreign sense because you get trained and has developed the Uncle Sam syndrome.

Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago is still a third world country.

But Jack and Kamla will soon change that.



In what way? By making it a 4th World Country
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Bakes on November 25, 2012, 12:50:39 PM
In what way? By making it a 4th World Country

Same thing I saying... at the rate they going we eh far off.
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: warmonga on November 25, 2012, 12:51:16 PM
Sour pussies supporters will not rest until warner get lock up for something. Even if di man innocent the sour puss dem guh be happy..I know nuff people in jail locked up because of crooked cops..  anyway wah ever happen to manning usuing state fund to build his private temple? he lock up yet ?  If warner was backing the sour puss rell ppl will love him here ...
war
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Bakes on November 25, 2012, 01:08:51 PM
Sour pussies supporters will not rest until warner get lock up for something. Even if di man innocent the sour puss dem guh be happy..I know nuff people in jail locked up because of crooked cops..  anyway wah ever happen to manning usuing state fund to build his private temple? he lock up yet ?  If warner was backing the sour puss rell ppl will love him here ...
war


Your head too far up Kamla sour puss to acknowledge the state she have Trinidad in.  Yuh calling Manning name... they charge Manning with anything yet?  Why not?  Who fault is that?
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: warmonga on November 25, 2012, 01:20:30 PM
Sour pussies supporters will not rest until warner get lock up for something. Even if di man innocent the sour puss dem guh be happy..I know nuff people in jail locked up because of crooked cops..  anyway wah ever happen to manning usuing state fund to build his private temple? he lock up yet ?  If warner was backing the sour puss rell ppl will love him here ...
war


Your head too far up Kamla sour puss to acknowledge the state she have Trinidad in.  Yuh calling Manning name... they charge Manning with anything yet?  Why not?  Who fault is that?
  Trinidad is in far better shape than it been in many years.  can Sour puss do better , dem a run threath on there own supporters  in tobago . Sour puss guh never ever run TNT again ppl have risen and dnt want no part of dem anymore.. on manning case remember the police force is PNM yu think sey they guh ever charge Manning wid anything? come on man... anyway mi nuh wah hijack the ppl thread gwan chat..
war
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: fitzinho on November 25, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
tell that fella to speak some english please
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: Deeks on November 25, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
Gally did the same and was shown the door quickly, now he is hiding under a rock somewhere in Chaguanas.

What Gally has to do with this. Gally was a damn successful coach. One of the best TT have ever had. Yes, he did not go to the WC. So what. The inquiry is about you or your faddah or both. Bring on the inquiry.
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: asylumseeker on November 25, 2012, 04:33:06 PM
For some reason ... that Superman thread comes to mind ...

Warmonga v. SUPA; who wins? :whip:
Title: Re: Jackulito probe being explored
Post by: D.H.W on November 25, 2012, 05:13:18 PM
People rel love to drink tea for other people fever boy. Hmm
Title: FBI PROBES WARNER
Post by: Flex on November 26, 2012, 06:30:12 AM
FBI probes Warner on CONCACAF money-laundering allegations
By Asha Javeed (Express).


Is the subject of an enquiry by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

The Express learned that the FBI's enquiry is based on money-laundering allegations against former FIFA vice-president Warner which stem from his relationship with Chuck Blazer, former general secretary of CONCACAF, the football federation for North and Central America and the Caribbean.

Questioned on the enquiry and whether FBI officials will be in Trinidad and Tobago to gather evidence, the United States Embassy in Port of Spain issued this statement to the Express: "As a matter of long-standing policy, we do not comment on law enforcement matters."

Blazer was the whistle-blower into the bribes-for-votes allegations made against Warner and Qatar football official Mohammed bin Hammam at a Caribbean Football Union (CFU) meeting held at Hyatt Regency in Port of Spain in 2011.

Blazer's allegations, leading up to FIFA's presidential election last year, resulted in Warner's resignation as vice-president of FIFA, president of CONCACAF and president of the Caribbean Football Union. It is alleged that bin Hammam offered 40 members of the CFU US$40,000 each for their votes in the FIFA presidential election.

In 2011, Blazer was also the subject of an FBI enquiry for allegedly hiding a multi-million-dollar offshore account.

At the time, the FBI was examining evidence that payments may have come from the CFU during the time of Warner's presidency.

At that time and in response to the reports and the FBI investigation of Blazer, Warner had told the Express that he "was not surprised" that Blazer was under scrutiny and he was not concerned that his name would be called into question in this scandal.

"The world will finally get to understand what I have been saying all along. This is only the beginning. There is a whole lot more to come, trust me," Warner had said.

In September, newly-appointed CONCACAF president Jeffrey Webb said the finances of CONCACAF under Warner's tenure, when he was president of the body from 1991 to 2011, were still being probed by the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

Warner denied the probe then.

One of Webb's concerns was for CONCACAF to finally determine "whether CONCACAF has legal title to the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence (at Macoya) and whether there may be guarantees or loans against CONCACAF's property is still being determined".

Contacted on the matter on Saturday, Acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams said he had not been informed of any investigation.

The Express learned that the Financial Intelligence Bureau (FIB) of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has also been investigating the matter.

In May, Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard advised the police that investigations should be continued in the context of the Customs Act in the CFU "cash-for-votes" incident. That information came out in the public domain after former Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs had told the Police Service Commission that Warner had been cleared of any allegations.

Questioned on the state of the police investigation into Warner, Williams said he couldn't comment as he had not been recently briefed, but gave an undertaking to provide an update.

Warner was appointed to the post of National Security Minister in June.

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar did not respond to texts yesterday on the matter.

Attempts to reach Warner yesterday, once by e-mail and several times by phone, were futile.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on November 26, 2012, 06:45:19 AM
What it take for him to be fired ?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 26, 2012, 07:00:44 AM
If this was unc in opposition you would never here the end of it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2012, 07:58:29 AM
What it take for him to be fired ?

He innocent until d extratition then Clause 35 2 insure he eh go. WE STUCK WIT OLD JACKO
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on November 26, 2012, 08:24:21 AM
FBI probes Warner on CONCACAF money-laundering allegations
By Asha Javeed (Express).





PNM Sourpuss again.  ::)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2012, 08:43:01 AM
FBI probes Warner on CONCACAF money-laundering allegations
By Asha Javeed (Express).





PNM Sourpuss again.  ::)

Yes the PNM 3 letters FBI 3 letters so PNM has been able 2 influence the FBI.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 26, 2012, 10:14:57 AM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Observer on November 26, 2012, 10:29:54 AM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?

CONCACAF head office & business is / was conducted in the United States
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: socalion on November 26, 2012, 11:52:12 AM
question for jack warner? are you travel fatigued ? the strange irony is , you have been  a globe trotter the world over for many years , however it suddenly appears since all the issues regarding fifa and corruption u no longer travel beyond the boundiries of trinidad and tobago  ... u sure do have many questions to answer
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 26, 2012, 12:05:30 PM
question for jack warner? are you travel fatigued ? the strange irony is , you have been  a globe trotter the world over for many years , however it suddenly appears since all the issues regarding fifa and corruption u no longer travel beyond the boundiries of trinidad and tobago  ... u sure do have many questions to answer

U eh hear d man say he went Miami and bust a lime and came bck a few mths ago. D Mirror however, said they check Immigration and he did not leave. So who do u believe Jack or the Mirror? Lawd help us.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 26, 2012, 01:05:48 PM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?

CONCACAF head office & business is / was conducted in the United States
Yup, forgot that, but does that mean they can reprimand/go after/charge CONCACAF, but not touch Warner ? In addition I think the total liabilty involved as per failure to pay taxes is to the tune of 2 Mill (Wiki). If Concacaf don't pay, Jack could easily settle out of court, as a matter of fact, TT would probably settle for him, especially as there is a certain level of diplomatic immunity. I feel this is just a case where the People will pay way more than the whole recoup is worth. Like the monies happening over the warriors case, the lawyers and courts done collect way more than theplayers would have recieved.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2012, 01:43:34 PM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?

They investigating crimes which allegedly took place in the US... note they talking about the link to Blazer, I didn't read the article in detail, but it either is an offshoot of an investigation of him and his activities, or specific allegations he raising with respect to Jack's activities in NY.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: truetrini on November 26, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?

FBI conduct investigations in T&T with the Balo kidnapping, and take man back with them...so who is Jack Warner when he conducting illegal activities in the USA?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?

FBI conduct investigations in T&T with the Balo kidnapping, and take man back with them...so who is Jack Warner when he conducting illegal activities in the USA?

Again though, that crime occurred in the US and any investigation conducted was done so with the permission of the TnT government.  To Maxg's question, he wasn't sure that any crime was committed by Jack within FBI jurisdiction... which Observer clarified.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Michael-j on November 26, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
I'm not sure, but I think the FBI has no jurisdiction in any  case against Warner, unless he maybe start printing US money. Of course they can be consulted on a foreign basis, however it must be requested by that country government. So I think all that is ole talk. Bakes, any clarification on such ?

FBI conduct investigations in T&T with the Balo kidnapping, and take man back with them...so who is Jack Warner when he conducting illegal activities in the USA?

Again though, that crime occurred in the US and any investigation conducted was done so with the permission of the TnT government.  To Maxg's question, he wasn't sure that any crime was committed by Jack within FBI jurisdiction... which Observer clarified.

You mean the Balram Maharaj kidnapping, True Trini?  Bakes, I think that crime happened in Trinidad...think the FBi got involved because he was a US citizen.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
You mean the Balram Maharaj kidnapping, True Trini?  Bakes, I think that crime happened in Trinidad...think the FBi got involved because he was a US citizen.

Yeah, you are correct on both points... crime happened in TnT and they got involved because Balo was a naturalized US citizen.  This case, upon reflection is different from the Jack Warner situation because the FBI never had jurisdiction in TnT or over any of the Trinis involved.  What they did (and CAN do) was to get permission from local authorities to come assist with the investigation.  They then used the information derived from the joint investigation to form the basis of the charges in the US.  US jurisdiction is established in several ways, crime taking place in US territory or where the victim is an American citizen or legal resident.

To compare with Jack's situation, they could ask for and receive permission to come here and investigate Jack just as they did in the murder case... however the critical difference is that they would have direct jurisdiction over Jack because of him allegedly committing a crime in US territory.  This would be the same as with the Steve/Ish case... they are alleged to have committed a crime in the US, which would be true even if they had never set foot in the US while committing the crime (for fraud you could stay in yuh house and commit a fraud which primarily takes place in the US).  Here Jack's activities are centered around his involvement with CONCACAF in the US.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on November 26, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
You mean the Balram Maharaj kidnapping, True Trini?  Bakes, I think that crime happened in Trinidad...think the FBi got involved because he was a US citizen.

Yeah, you are correct on both points... crime happened in TnT and they got involved because Balo was a naturalized US citizen.  This case, upon reflection is different from the Jack Warner situation because the FBI never had jurisdiction in TnT or over any of the Trinis involved.  What they did (and CAN do) was to get permission from local authorities to come assist with the investigation.  They then used the information derived from the joint investigation to form the basis of the charges in the US.  US jurisdiction is established in several ways, crime taking place in US territory or where the victim is an American citizen or legal resident.

To compare with Jack's situation, they could ask for and receive permission to come here and investigate Jack just as they did in the murder case... however the critical difference is that they would have direct jurisdiction over Jack because of him allegedly committing a crime in US territory.  This would be the same as with the Steve/Ish case... they are alleged to have committed a crime in the US, which would be true even if they had never set foot in the US while committing the crime (for fraud you could stay in yuh house and commit a fraud which primarily takes place in the US).  Here Jack's activities are centered around his involvement with CONCACAF in the US.


So he safe for the hour..if past experiences are anything to go by.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 26, 2012, 05:40:11 PM
He will fall on his own sword. Plus this government not winning next election, let him enjoy while it last.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2012, 07:21:11 PM
So he safe for the hour..if past experiences are anything to go by.

Well yeah... if the government want to protect they "financier" they way they protected the other two financiers, yuh could say all ah this will blow over.  In my view they'd only be delaying the inevitable though, unlike Steve and Ish, Jack can't count on the government protecting him in the end, because like DHW say, Kamla and dem wouldn't be around to protect him in 2-3 years.  All of it depends on when the embezzlement take place because the statute of limitations to bring charges is 4 years.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on November 26, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
anything ever tingle allyuh imagination with regards to this billion dollar highway-jack warner-oas construtura?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: truetrini on November 26, 2012, 09:34:38 PM
The next probe for Jack is some aliens landing in T&T ad resting an anal probe on he ass.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on November 26, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
anything ever tingle allyuh imagination with regards to this billion dollar highway-jack warner-oas construtura?

What? The same crew who are building the WC stadiums in Brazil? Nah, coincidence.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on November 26, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
"No foreigner is going to come to my country and tell me what to do. Especially, a white man" - Jack Arse Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on November 26, 2012, 11:11:35 PM
anything ever tingle allyuh imagination with regards to this billion dollar highway-jack warner-oas construtura?

What? The same crew who are building the WC stadiums in Brazil? Nah, coincidence.

always remembered the first thing he did as min of ntl sec...dem protesters was crampin d man style lol..money hadda make!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on November 27, 2012, 05:04:04 AM

Warner promises legal attack on PNM media

T&T Guardian

   

National Security Minister Jack Warner last night announced his intention to mount a legal attack against what he described as the PNM-controlled media. In a speech at the United National Congress Monday night forum in Debe, Warner said he had instructed his lawyers to issue pre-action protocol letters to the Trinidad Express newspaper.

 

Warner said he had just returned from a trip to the United States, his second in less than five months. And more such letters are to follow, announced Warner. I have also instructed my lawyers, both at home and abroad, to sue to the high heavens those who are using the media to go after me and it will be court after court after court, he added.

 

He said he intended to go as far as legally possible to stop this damn foolishness. He added: In their misguided judgment they are free to support whichever political party they choose but in doing so they must not trample on those whom they hate by impugning their character at every turn. Jack today, Anand tomorrow and the PM every daythis foolishness must stop and the courts are the only legal place I know to do that.

 

He said there were media houses owned by financiers of the Peoples National Movement (PNM) and their agenda was to bring down the Government. They know who they are. You know who they are. Who the cap fits, let them wear itbut the truth has got to be told, he added. He said the truth was that Government was putting things right.

 

He added: We inherited a country that was in a mess. Schools, police stations, roads, bridges, everything was falling down. It is taking time but we are getting there. It is 50 years of PNM mismanagement, neglect and discrimination that we have to roll back. He boasted of Governments feats in education, social services, national security and sport.

 

He slammed trade unionists who had aligned themselves with the PNM. He said: Trade unionists who used to accuse the PNM of union-busting, today they want a political alliance with Rowley. They declare war on a Government that is settling pubic servants wages but they will align the PNM who refused to pay public officers for two consecutive bargaining periods.

 

Anybody who could hug up Rowley and the PNM is a traitor to you and when you see them you must chase them from in front your door. Warner also lashed out at environmental activist Wayne Kublalsinghs hunger strike. He said: You cannot threaten to kill yourself if you do not have your way. It is undemocratic and selfish. It is criminal. It is wrong to disenfranchise 300,000 persons just to satisfy the selfishness of a handful.

 

He said Kublalsingh was threatening to kill himself. Warner took time in his speech to focus on Opposition Leader Keith Rowley, calling him a fake. He said: Rowley is not a man. He is a mannequin, a fake. Everything about him is fake. I tell you that anybody who wants Rowley to be Prime Minister of this country has got to be stark, raving mad.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 27, 2012, 05:30:55 AM
Stueps, it wasn't pnn media when manning was getting pound before last election.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 27, 2012, 08:28:32 AM
Ah hear Jack say last nite that d good Dr should hurry up and dead.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 27, 2012, 09:57:26 AM
Ah hear Jack say last nite that d good Dr should hurry up and dead.

I just heard the clip......the man under the white line long time but is like he just shovelling deeper and deeper below the line...... :puking:

Papa yo, whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad......I find the gods taking long, long with this mad man yes.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 27, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
And Kamla remains silent. Jack doing more talking than she, who really running the country?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: g on November 27, 2012, 12:02:30 PM
Dr K struggling. Even if he comes off this hunger strike, will he ever be the same. This could be a photo of the year.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/417115_10152293836430500_1849182420_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 27, 2012, 12:18:47 PM
Imagine they joking over this nah.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 27, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
Doctor say the situation critical with pending kidney failure if nothing is done soon.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on November 27, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
I know this is not the forum for politics, but this is a Jack Arse Warner thread. So, with that in mind, I couldn't believe what I read in the Trinidad Express that someone who is suppose to be a professional and someone selected to protect the citizens of the country would actually come out and say something this assinine about a fellow Trinidadian.  "They say the Prime Minister is killing Wayne Kublalsingh, but he is killing himself and he better do it quickly! Dont feel sorry for him. Kublalsingh is trying to blackmail the country and blackmail the Prime Minister." - Sinister of National Security for Trinidad and Tobago, Jack Arse Warner.

I might be wrong here and you could correct me if I am wrong, but the last time I looked blackmail is still an arrestable offense. Why don't you arrest him? Sinister Sam.

Yo, arse, you remember that noose you had hanging in front your office? Hurry up and use that shit.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on November 27, 2012, 11:21:39 PM
Jack talking about Kubalsing (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152280290680531)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on November 27, 2012, 11:28:07 PM
UNC ATTACKS KUBLALSINGH, CLAIMS HE'S A CONMAN (http://ctntworld.com/index.php/2011-12-27-04-09-23/2606-unc-attacks-kublalsingh-claims-he-s-a-conman?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook)
 


Environmental activist Dr. Wayne Kublalsingh and the Highway Re-route Movement came under attack at the UNC Monday Night Forum at the Debe High School.


Dr. Kublalsingh has been on a hunger strike for the past 13 days to protest the construction of the Debe to Mon Desir section of the Solomon Hochoy Highway. He has called for an independent review of the project and has now indicated an interest in meeting the Prime Minister.

At the UNC Forum, National Security Minister Jack Warner once again cast aspersions on Dr. Kublalsingh's hunger strike. He labeled him a conman as he noted that a technical review was done but Dr. Kublalsingh rejected it.

"Kublalsingh is trying to blackmail this country. He is trying to blackmail the Prime Minister and his family is coming to him every day for support and so on. I ask you to ask Kublalsingh where he is between 6pm and 6am. I will tell you where he is tonight. He is in a house in Maraval, he is in a house in Marabella and he is eating more hearty than you. Last week, in the backseat of his car, he was lying down eating a doubles and it is even worse, the doubles was not even from Debe. So don't feel sorry for him, he is a conman."

The National Security Minister said it is wrong, undemocratic, selfish and criminal for the environmental activist to protest by starving himself.

He noted that 300,000 persons will benefit from the construction of the Debe to Mon Desir section of the highway.

"Do the thousands of people who spend hours in traffic every day to get between San Fernando and Point Fortin not count? Why must their plight be ignored? Why are their needs and suffering not getting attention? Why should they continue to be deprived of opportunities for social advancement?"

Mr. Warner also criticised former politicians and prominent members of society who turned up to support Dr. Kublalsingh over the past week, saying they all have ulterior motives for supporting the strike.

"Every single one of them has an axe to grind against Kamla. Their presence, kissing Kublalsingh's hand and patting his forehead, has nothing to do with the highway. They see him as a stepping stone for their own political agendas and aspirations. Not one of them is fasting with him. And of all the blood-suckers and spotlight seekers fighting for a piece of the action, you have of course, Rowley. You have Rowley who is undergoing a make-over; learning how to dress, how to walk, how to talk and how to pretend to be personable for people to like him. Rowley is not a man! He is a mannequin; a fake! Everything about him is fake. And that goes for his so-called concern in this issue."

Meanwhile Housing Minister Dr. Roodal Moonilal reiterated Government's commitment to building the highway.

"I want to tell him that he must abandon the route he is on. I think he needs to re-route himself. He needs to re-route. Understand that we have accommodated you, we have our technical reports and so on and the Highway will be built from Point Fortin. We will build it."

Dr. Moonilal warned of violence and like Minister Warner, he said politicians, present and former, are using the hunger strike for their own gain. He also accused Dr. Kublalsingh of being a fraudster and of trying to embarrass the Government.

Dr. Moonilal claimed that Dr. Kublalsingh and his family had become radicals and they were being surrounded by vultures looking for photo opportunities.

He told the crowd to beware that if the hunger strike did not succeed the next step would be violence.

"Have you seen Rowley with his chops hanging out? He's coming, he's circling like a vulture, like a corbeaux looking at Kublalsingh. You saw Panday? Panday run up there, I don't know where he came from. Ramesh went twice, he thought that fella would have passed out before he went back. They are circling like vultures. And the PNM has always had violence as a political option and you have to watch that Kublalsingh is now in bed with the PNM and they may seek to perpetrate violence on this society to stop development of the highway."


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on November 28, 2012, 06:35:37 AM
Yuh know....when on the other side of the floor.....the media was their best friend.

Now there are "elements to bring down the government..." when that was a big asset for them last elections.

Not to mention efforts underway (or already happened?) to buy over the Mirror...now the website doh even update..yuh doh hear nothing from them again since Uncle Jack was reportedly in discussions to purchase it. Newsday done in dey back pocket already....and Maxine Cuffie who used to write for the mirror writing for the Guardian.


So...who really own what aspects of the media?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on November 28, 2012, 06:55:13 AM
Ent! It was okay to go after manning, but now the shoe on the other foot they crying.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 05, 2012, 03:50:27 AM
Integrity committee reports progress.
T&T Guardian Reports.


NEW YORKA recently established Concacaf Integrity Committee, setup to probe the financial dealings of the previous Jack Warner administration, is reporting that its work is progressing well.
 
Integrity Committee chairman Sir David Simmons has reported that he is satisfied with the pace of the probe into the financial transactions of the Warner era.
 
Warner was Concacaf president from 1991 to 2011 when he quit after being indicted by Fifa for allegedly facilitating the bribery of Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials. The work of the Integrity Committee has been proceeding very smoothly and satisfactorily, said Simmons in a statement on Monday. It must be appreciated that our terms of reference cover a broad spectrum of activities,
 
The three-member Integrity Committee met in September and October and will meet again twice this month as it continues its investigation. The lawyers assigned to assist the Committee, Sidley Austin LLP, are reportedly carrying out a thorough financial probe in an effort to uncover hard evidence of all financial transactions.
 
Simmons said that the lawyers are also interviewing potential witnesses to give oral evidence to the Committee. That task involves the perusal of a vast amount of documentation, identifying its relevance to particular terms of reference, and marshaling and collating it before it can be placed before us. It is painstaking, detailed work, said Simmons.
 
All of this preparatory work is vitally important to the faithful discharge of our responsibilities and, so far, we are very satisfied.
 
Concacaf announced the formation of the Integrity Committee following a meeting of its Executive Committee on September 13 in Mexico City. The Integrity Committee was given oversight of all investigations pertaining to the previous administration and according to a Concacaf statement in order to rectify and ensure clarity on pending issues within the newly reformed Confederation.
 
Items under investigations include the ownership of the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence in T&T.
 
Warner had claimed the Centre of Excellence was meant to be a gift for Caribbean football from ex-Fifa president Joao Havelange and was funded by the confederation. However Webb revealed that the attorneys are also reviewing the matter to determine if the confederation has any legal right to the Centre of Excellence and whether there were any loans or guarantees taken out on Concacaf property. (CMC)

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 06, 2012, 07:06:56 AM


Warner: e-passports by 2017 (with VIDEO)



Therell be no more lines says minister


Published:


Thursday, December 6, 2012



Geisha Kowlessar
 





Chief Immigration Officer Keith Sampson, left, greets representative of International Civil Aviation Organisation Mauricio Siciliano during yesterdays launch of a three-day sub-regional workshop. PHOTO: SHIRLEY BAHADUR








With just the swipe of a card, T&T citizens can be allowed to enter a foreign country. This will happen when the Government moves to introduce the e-passport, or digital passport, by 2017. Making the statement yesterday was National Security Minister Jack Warner at the Hilton Trinidad and Conference Centre, Port-of-Spain.
 
 
 
He was speaking at the launch of a three-day sub-regional workshop on capacity-building in travel-document security and identity management, which brought together various Caribbean countries. He said since T&T introduced the integrated border-management system in 2007, there has been no reported cases of tampering with the machine-readable passport.
 
 
 
The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has issued a mandate to all countries to fully operationalise e-passport use by 2017. I am advised T&T should get an initial pilot roll-out by 2015. This pilot roll-out can be done, just as some other countries have, with diplomats and government officials first, Warner said.
 
 
 
While using e-passports could increase the efficiency both for the Government and citizens, there were other factors which the Government must consider, he pointed out. The e-passport, he added, would eliminate the process of individuals having to join a line to appear before an immigration officer.
 
 
 
The individual simply swipes his e-passport and looks into  the kiosk, which reads the bio-data in the e-passport chip and confirms the identity of the person, using facial-recognition technology, Warner said. However, he said, it also would mean there would be no need for so many immigration officers.
 
 
 
They would therefore have to be deployed elsewhere to perform other tasks related to border security, Warner said. Cost was another factor which the Government had to take into account. There are challenges to the e-passport roll-out. There is a lengthy certification process and we will have to look at the spatial requirements as well as  human resource issues, such as retraining, re-tooling and skill enhancement.
 
 
 
 
 
Passport changes for better border control
 


We also have to consider that the base book for an e-passport costs five times as much as a base book for a machine-readable passport. Therefore the cost of an e-passport would be higher, Warner said.
 
 
 
 
 
What is e-passport
 
A biometric passport, also known as an e-passport or a digital passport, is a combined paper and electronic passport that contains biometric information that can be used to authenticate the identity of travellers. It uses contactless smart card technology, including a microprocessor chip (computer chip) and antenna (for both power to the chip and communication) embedded in the front or back cover, or centre page, of the passport.
 
 
 
The passport's critical information is both printed on the data page of the passport and stored in the chip. Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) is used to authenticate the data stored electronically in the passport chip, making it expensive and difficult to forge when all security mechanisms are fully and correctly implemented.
 
 


Dont worry you would not need tnat your ass would be in jail by then.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on December 06, 2012, 07:39:34 AM
They will be out of government by then
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 10, 2012, 09:24:43 PM
 UNC had a meeting in Fyzabad Hindu school tonite, jack was introducing one of  the representitive from Fyzabad he said we have two Brahamans from Fyzabad and here is your representitive he called the name .

I could be wrong but is this how  a politician suppoze to describe a member of parliment in trinbago as a brahaman ,i thought the cast system do not exist in trinbago .     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on December 10, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
UNC had a meeting in Fyzabad Hindu school tonite, jack was introducing one of  the representitive from Fyzabad he said we have two Brahamans from Fyzabad and here is your representitive he called the name .

I could be wrong but is this how  a politician suppoze to describe a member of parliment in trinbago as a brahaman ,i thought the cast system do not exist in trinbago .     

Remember the "Golden Rule"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 10, 2012, 11:12:16 PM
UNC had a meeting in Fyzabad Hindu school tonite, jack was introducing one of  the representitive from Fyzabad he said we have two Brahamans from Fyzabad and here is your representitive he called the name .

I could be wrong but is this how  a politician suppoze to describe a member of parliment in trinbago as a brahaman ,i thought the cast system do not exist in trinbago .     

Erm, what is a Brahaman? I'm guessing it's not someone from the Brahamas?  ??? :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on December 11, 2012, 06:56:09 PM
Brahman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 11, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
Brahman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman



Thanks  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on December 11, 2012, 07:38:13 PM
Not to be confused with:

(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)

Bra-man.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on December 11, 2012, 07:39:22 PM
Not to be confused with:

(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)

Bra-man.

That was unfortunate and I am traumatized.
Title: Re: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on December 11, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
Not to be confused with:

(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)

Bra-man.

My gord! I'm scared for life
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: kev on December 12, 2012, 03:00:26 AM
Not to be confused with:

(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)

Bra-man.

My gord! I'm scared for life

Think he must have sisters in the UK, I've woke up to similar looking (if not worse) next to me in my younger more alcoholic driven days or rather nights, oh the memories and shame of youth.    ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 12, 2012, 05:25:28 AM
Not to be confused with:

(http://www.webanswers.com/post-images/7/71/719D6DCD-B0CC-4DA3-A6B82FF14B39CD84.jpg)

Bra-man.

My gord! I'm scared for life

Think he must have sisters in the UK, I've woke up to similar looking (if not worse) next to me in my younger more alcoholic driven days or rather nights, oh the memories and shame of youth.    ;)

Was thinking the same.......a definate 8 pinter  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: sammy on December 12, 2012, 07:21:03 AM
Like they really desperate and gone real hard core to their hindu base now
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 12, 2012, 11:03:48 AM
Like they really desperate and gone real hard core to their hindu base now

Sorry Sammy, I can't take your comments serious......coz that clip keeps me laughing!
Title: Jack Warner, Daddy Dearest and the Sinking Ship
Post by: dtool on March 21, 2013, 06:25:05 AM
Ouch ....

http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/bill-archer/2013/03/19/jack-warner-man-of-action-losing-traction/
Title: Re: Jack Warner, Daddy Dearest and the Sinking Ship
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2013, 12:06:14 PM
I refuse to read anything by that trash yellow journalist hack, Bill Archer.
Title: Re: Jack Warner, Daddy Dearest and the Sinking Ship
Post by: truetrini on March 21, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
watch the international press for something on jack warner ...coming soon!
Title: Re: Re: Jack Warner, Daddy Dearest and the Sinking Ship
Post by: D.H.W on March 21, 2013, 06:28:17 PM
watch the international press for something on jack warner ...coming soon!

Stop teasing nah. Men mouth watering for this man to fall.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: truetrini on March 21, 2013, 09:43:20 PM
watch the international press for something on jack warner ...coming soon!

Stop teasing nah. Men mouth watering for this man to fall.

Breds I just telling what was revealed to me.
Title: Jack: I am still respected in football
Post by: Tallman on April 12, 2013, 06:25:50 PM
Jack: I am still respected in football
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)


National Security Minister Jack Warner's power in the world of football seems to be still alive.

The former FIFA vice president and former CONCACAF president yesterday admitted that his opinion was sought as to whether a newspaper journalist from this country should receive accreditation to attend a CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association of Football) congress in Panama next week.

Two years ago, amidst allegations of bribery, Warner resigned from the top posts.

At the post-Cabinet news conference at the Office of the Prime Minister in St Clair yesterday, Warner said the 20 years he served as CONCACAF president has earned him the respect as his advice was still sought.

"I got a call this morning, where a newspaper here has asked for accreditation to a CONCACAF congress in Panama. They called to ask me if .. I think that is acceptable, I say give it to them," said Warner.

Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/12346-jack-i-am-still-respected-in-football.html)
Title: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: boss on April 14, 2013, 04:02:12 AM
How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


$100m & MORE MISSING

It was a tale of treachery that caused a football tsunami the likes of which a vexed Austin Jack Warner had threatened to unleash on the House of FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) after his Zurich face-off with former close ally and FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.

Instead, it swept him away into a sea of much deeper corruption allegations and global law enforcement scrutiny.

Decades-old payments he had made from a CFU (Caribbean Football Union) bank account to an offshore company of another longstanding FIFA friend and confidant turned whistle-blower, Chuck Blazer, had caught the attention of United States authorities probing corruption in international football.

On March 27, Reuters reported that Warners son and business partner, Daryan, had turned cooperating witness to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and US tax authorities, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in connection with a US$500,000 payout made over 20 years.

 Minister Warner has refused to address directly whether he is a person of interest or comment on his sons role as a cooperating witness in an FBI football corruption investigation.

Meanwhile, in Panama City, another Pandoras Box revealing more of Warners dark football secrets is set to open at CONCACAFs Congress later this week. This one, too, is said to contain all the makings of a football tsunami of corruption claims and is expected to attract even more law enforcement interest.

The IRS is already digging deep into this particular box of muddled finances which leads right back to the Warner-Blazer duet, according to persons familiar with the situation.

At home, Sunday Express investigations into Warners activities reveal that the once powerful football figure--who had a box seat on the world and access to heads of state, private jets and corporate CEOsused his network of football and political connections to build a family business empire and personal fortune of about $200 million which from all accounts is a conservative estimate.

Some of this money came from cash transfers from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) to bank accounts held in the names of private Warner companies; so-called cash gifts in the tens of millions of dollars; rich World Cup TV broadcast deals run through a Cayman-registered company; World Cup tickets racket and vast flows of income from several sources, including the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya, property rentals and miscellaneous fees from football bodies.

The Member of Parliament (MP) for Chaguanas West, who emerged as the top-ranked cabinet minister in two surveys and served at times as this countrys acting prime minister, has featured in repeated allegations of corruption over the years and up until the events of May 2011 remained an untouchable, protected in the main by his scandal-scarred football boss, Blatter, even from complaints emanating from within the FIFA oligarchy, according to FIFA board minutes seen by this reporter.

The one-time star Government Minister, badly damaged by the Mohamed bin Hammam cash-for-vote affair which was played out on his front lawn at a Port of Spain hotel, has vehemently denied all allegations of wrongdoing but has inexplicably refused to have his day in courteither at the FIFA Ethics Committee hearing or the International Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS)opting instead to quit the bright lights of world football and to stay on the offensive, threatening a tsunami on Blatters House of FIFA and indulging in personal attacks against his detractors.

Even now, in the face of serious questions about financial irregularities in all of the football bodies he presided overCONCACAF, CFU, TTFF and LOC (Local Organising Committee) Germany 2006 LtdWarner, the Minister of National Security in the People's Partnership Government, has refused to address specific questions put to him by this newspaper and has complained instead of being the most vilified public official in the land.

Sunday Express investigations show that the former special adviser to TTFF transferred out tens of millions of dollars from the national football associations bank accounts to a local organising company, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, which was set up by his personal accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

Warner was both a director and chairman of LOC Germany, the corporate vehicle set up to collect money for transfer to TTFFs road to Germany 2006 World Cup campaign. He was also the man calling the shots, according to TTFFs top officials, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.

The two Warner front men were also directors in the February 2004-incorporated entity along with Warners other son, Daryll, and his secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste.

On February 21, 2004, 15 days after LOC Germany opened shop, TTFF special adviser Warner, dispatched a single page of correspondence to LOC Germany. In it, he gave himself via the newly-registered company the power and authority to negotiate all sponsorships, endorsements, match arrangements and other money-spinning opportunities associated with the Soca Warriors qualification for the 2006 World Cup.

Bank statements, payment vouchers and other financial records obtained by the Sunday Express show a reversal of roles between the national football association and its duly-appointed negotiating agent, LOC Germany, with the agent company stripping TTFFs accounts of surplus cash instead of paying out World Cup sponsorship money it had collected to designated accounts.

Documents also reveal that, at times, LOC Germany withdrew funds before it even hit the account.

Financial records show at least TT$100 million of public and private sector funds have gone missing. Tens of millions of dollars in World Cup funds were being tapped from TTFFs bank accounts by the Warner-run LOC Germany entity and by private corporations owned by him, specifically Jamad Ltd, JAW Ltd and Sportel Ltd.

Four sets of financial statements produced in just as many years by Warners accountant-in-chief Rampersad show significant omissions from the balance sheet. Public grants and other sponsorship money that should have gone into TTFFs bank accounts, according to official government records, have simply disappeared.

By the states own calculations, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds were paid to the national football association in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.

The various Rampersad financial statements, however, paint a far more modest picture. They reflect many discrepancies, conflicting numbers and more than $100 million missing in World Cup income.

Michael Townley, the British lawyer pursuing the Soca Warriors claim that Warner and the national football association drastically understated the Warriors

2006 World Cup income, described the financial information provided by TTFF and its accountant as works of fiction.

In pleadings made to a case management conference (CMC) before Justice Devindra Rampersad, Townley told of a tangled tale of opaque and misleading financial records, of the deliberate and continued attempt to conceal tens of millions of dollars to deny the players what is contractually owed to them and of Warners effective control of LOC Germany.

Townley told the court about the hardship of extracting credible information from the TTFF and its rogue" agent Jack Warnereven in the face of legal orders. Townley spoke of the rigged game the football association has played with the court and its disregard for the process of law.

Sponsorship information provided to Townley by the previous administration reveal that $205.6 million in State and private sector contributions were made to the TTFF in support of the Soca Warriors historic 2006 World Cup qualification.

The schedule of payments show that the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs provided just over $60.3 million, government state agencies $21.8 million and private sector corporations, including Atlantic LNG, Adidas, BHP Billiton and British Gas, $88.1 million.

The government disclosure also cited a CHF 7 million (Swiss francs) or TT$35.2 million figure in relation to the qualification grant from FIFA.

But the first Rampersad account, dated October 5, 2006 and addressed to Warner in his capacity as president of CONCACAF (the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean), made no mention of the CHF 7 million FIFA grant or Atlantic LNGs $3 million contribution.

The October statement gives a total sponsorship income of a mere $13 million.

Warners main man of business produced another set of accounts in November 2007 for an arbitration dispute headed to a London courtroom after the players rejected the 2006 financials and a settlement offer of just over $5,000 per player. Rampersads financials were addressed to Om Lalla, a key Warner attorney.

The FIFA grant appears in the 2007 accounts but the figure is trimmed by $1 million or TT$5 million. It also records for the first time a $600,000 grant from government but cuts the sponsorship income to $6.5m million. No explanation is given for these material adjustments.

In 2010, a court order forced the production of a financial statement for LOC Germany but this too contains significant omissions by Rampersad, who declares a total grant and sponsorship income of $54.5 million. More accounting games are played with the production of yet another set of court-ordered financial statements for TTFF in June 2011.

This one too has all the hallmarks of Rampersad, whose stock response to questions relating to the missing millions, built-in conflicts of interest, inflated expenses and understated income was: I am not at liberty to discuss the affairs of my clients, past or present.

He asked the Sunday Express to submit its questions in writing but up to press time there was no response.

The roster of sponsors named in the 2011 accounts show a $1.6 million grant from government and, for the first time in any of the Rampersad-produced accounts, a $250,000 contribution from British Gas.

Atlantic LNG did not make the roster of sponsors and the National Gas Company and BHP Billiton, which had fallen off the previous 2006 TTFF statement, made a return.

The contribution of State telecom giant TSTT tripled from $4 million in 2006 to $12.6 million in 2011.

Adidas, previously listed in 2006 with a $1.8 million contribution, went up to a wholesome $5.8 million in the 2011 filing.

There were other curious statements contained in the financials. Rampersads accounts, in talking about the FIFA CHF 6 million or TT$27.7 million grant, referred to the FIFA money being Due to TTFF although FIFA itself had written Warner as president of TTFF in November 2006 asking for banking instructions.

The November 15 letter, written by FIFAs director of Finance, Markus Kattner, noted: We kindly ask for your confirmation that we can transfer the balance to the official account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation immediately. Please note that we will transfer the balance in USD as per the daily rate of the day of the transaction.

Bank statements obtained through a court-ordered levy on the premises of the now insolvent national football association does not reflect substantial sponsorship funds, including the FIFA World Cup-Germany prize money.

Camps and Groden say their knowledge extends only to the three bank accounts disclosed to the court.

Neither had much to say to the Sunday Express. Camps declined comment, saying his memory was not as good as it used to be and Groden said only: I prefer not to speak without a lawyer.

The two football officials, in affidavits given to the court, have maintained that they knew nothing about the affairs of LOC Germany (although they were both listed as directors), and had no knowledge of anything outside of the information already provided to the court.

TTFFs top officials told the court that Warner not only had exclusive control of LOC Germany but had possession of all of the football associations financial records and company files.

Both men told the court it should look to Warner for an account of company records and other financial information since he was the man in charge and ultimately responsible for the affairs of the football association and its agent company, LOC Germany.

They have refused to go after Warner on the ground that he is a substantial creditor of the TTFF, but have provided no explanation about the circumstances leading to this creditor status.

Bank records for three of the associations accounts show substantial payments in the tens of millions to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and LOC Germany.

Warner has denied that he had a professional client/accountant relationship with Rampersad in a statement filed in the CMC hearing, but conceded that Rampersad was the accountant of several football bodies with which he had been associated, including TTFF, CFU and CONCACAF.

He omitted to say that the accounting briefs were either given directly or recommended by him. He also failed to disclose that Rampersad made a string of cameo appearances as a corporate officer in several of his private corporations.

The Warner affidavit said he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information or documentation relevant to helping the players determine the quantum of income earned during the 2006 World Cup effort so that they could determine what they are truthfully owed, but later told the court via his attorney that he had already provided all of the information in his possession and had nothing more to add.

Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.

Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.

Tomorrow: Part IIthe money trail.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Richard G. on April 14, 2013, 04:07:33 AM
The screws tighten.....
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2013, 05:17:07 AM
:)
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 14, 2013, 05:17:50 AM
... dreamer going to real enjoy breakfast dis morning ;D ... and why not? Quite an article!
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Brownsugar on April 14, 2013, 05:22:51 AM
Ah find this tid bit of info interesting.......I could understand why the players would want to settle but if part of the deal involves no further action e.g. they can't refer anything to the fraud squad then I would be a bit disappointed.....

Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.

Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2013, 05:24:39 AM
Tanty Kamla. Your move AGAIN. Ah loving the Sunday morning action.
Title: Re: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2013, 05:25:56 AM
Ah find this tid bit of info interesting.......I could understand why the players would want to settle but if part of the deal involves no further action e.g. they can't refer anything to the fraud squad then I would be a bit disappointed.....

Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.

Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.


Now would of been a good time to go behind him.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: TdotTrini on April 14, 2013, 07:05:13 AM
FBI/IRS trace Fifa funds to Africa

US$5m transfer to Trinis probed

Published:
Sunday, April 14, 2013
DENYSE RENNE
 
 
Ongoing investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) have so far uncovered evidence showing the diversion of funds from one of Fifas main sponsors into the offshore accounts of a former senior Fifa official.
 
 
One of the accounts has been traced to an African country. Investigations, sources say, have also unearthed the inappropriate use of a credit card by a relative of the former official. The relative was held, questioned and subsequently released by US law enforcement in April last year, about to board a flight from Miami to Trinidad. Sources say the individual was questioned at length over several suspicious credit card transactions.
 
 
Explaining that large sums of money were placed on the cards, which bypassed the cards limits, the sources said several items were then purchased and, in some cases, cheques were made out to withdraw money from the credit card accounts and dispersed elsewhere. This sort of activity raised alarm bells from US officials, as the money placed on the cards could not be accounted for.
 
Sunday Guardian also learnt that another aspect of the case being investigated involved the handing-over of close to US$5 million to two Trinidadians by the representative of a contractor at a casino/hotel in Las Vegas. Both parties, sources say, met at the popular hotel and casino, where the money was handed over in return for favourable consideration in a major construction project here in Trinidad.
 
Sources said the manner in which the transaction was made drew the FBI/IRS attention to it. Both parties reportedly met at a game table and the representative of the construction firm reportedly purchased some gambling chits, placed a few bets at the table, then left the remaining chits with the Trinidadians and left the casino. The Trinidadians then cashed in the chits, which amounted to close to US$5 million, and deposited the money at a bank on the casino compound. The money was then wired to another account.
 
Since the transaction took place on US soil, FBI/IRS investigators have deemed it as a form of money-laundering. Both the FBI and IRS are investigating money-laundering, tax evasion and fraud matters. Earlier this month, international news agency Reuters reported that Daryan Warner, son of National Security Minister Jack Warner, was assisting the FBI and the IRS with an ongoing probe in the United States.
 
The article was written by Mark Hosenball and noted that while the exact scope of the investigation is not clear, among the matters under scrutiny are two previously reported allegations involving Jack Warner. The deepening of the probe indicates that a succession of corruption scandals involving Fifa and other international soccer bodies in the past few years may continue to cast a cloud over the sport for some time.
 
Warner formerly headed Concacaf and was previously one of the vice-presidents of Fifa, soccers global governing body. Following the report by Reuters, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar instructed Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran to enquire from the US authorities about the report. Ramlogan has indicated that he has written to US Attorney General Eric Holder but is yet to receive a response.
 
There have been calls for Warners removal in the wake of the report. However, Persad-Bissessar, in a media release, has indicated that she will not act until such time as she can verify the authenticity of the Reuters report.
 
 
US remains mum

Contacted on the matter, the US Department of Justice, which has responsibility for entertaining queries regarding the Office of the Attorney General Eric Holder, asked that the questions be e-mailed. Sunday Guardian complied but was subsequently informed there was no comment to be made.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-04-14/fbiirs-trace-fifa-funds-africa
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 14, 2013, 07:13:57 AM
So it goes deeper now. Bribing to get local contracts. This is big. The longest rope have a end Jack.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: mukumsplau on April 14, 2013, 07:24:32 AM
FBI/IRS trace Fifa funds to Africa

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-04-14/fbiirs-trace-fifa-funds-africa (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-04-14/fbiirs-trace-fifa-funds-africa)

Ongoing investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) have so far uncovered evidence showing the diversion of funds from one of Fifas main sponsors into the offshore accounts of a former senior Fifa official.


One of the accounts has been traced to an African country. Investigations, sources say, have also unearthed the inappropriate use of a credit card by a relative of the former official. The relative was held, questioned and subsequently released by US law enforcement in April last year, about to board a flight from Miami to Trinidad. Sources say the individual was questioned at length over several suspicious credit card transactions.


Explaining that large sums of money were placed on the cards, which bypassed the cards limits, the sources said several items were then purchased and, in some cases, cheques were made out to withdraw money from the credit card accounts and dispersed elsewhere. This sort of activity raised alarm bells from US officials, as the money placed on the cards could not be accounted for.

Sunday Guardian also learnt that another aspect of the case being investigated involved the handing-over of close to US$5 million to two Trinidadians by the representative of a contractor at a casino/hotel in Las Vegas. Both parties, sources say, met at the popular hotel and casino, where the money was handed over in return for favourable consideration in a major construction project here in Trinidad.

Sources said the manner in which the transaction was made drew the FBI/IRS attention to it. Both parties reportedly met at a game table and the representative of the construction firm reportedly purchased some gambling chits, placed a few bets at the table, then left the remaining chits with the Trinidadians and left the casino. The Trinidadians then cashed in the chits, which amounted to close to US$5 million, and deposited the money at a bank on the casino compound. The money was then wired to another account.

Since the transaction took place on US soil, FBI/IRS investigators have deemed it as a form of money-laundering. Both the FBI and IRS are investigating money-laundering, tax evasion and fraud matters. Earlier this month, international news agency Reuters reported that Daryan Warner, son of National Security Minister Jack Warner, was assisting the FBI and the IRS with an ongoing probe in the United States.

The article was written by Mark Hosenball and noted that while the exact scope of the investigation is not clear, among the matters under scrutiny are two previously reported allegations involving Jack Warner. The deepening of the probe indicates that a succession of corruption scandals involving Fifa and other international soccer bodies in the past few years may continue to cast a cloud over the sport for some time.

Warner formerly headed Concacaf and was previously one of the vice-presidents of Fifa, soccers global governing body. Following the report by Reuters, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar instructed Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran to enquire from the US authorities about the report. Ramlogan has indicated that he has written to US Attorney General Eric Holder but is yet to receive a response.

There have been calls for Warners removal in the wake of the report. However, Persad-Bissessar, in a media release, has indicated that she will not act until such time as she can verify the authenticity of the Reuters report.


US remains mum
Contacted on the matter, the US Department of Justice, which has responsibility for entertaining queries regarding the Office of the Attorney General Eric Holder, asked that the questions be e-mailed. Sunday Guardian complied but was subsequently informed there was no comment to be made.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: TdotTrini on April 14, 2013, 07:36:29 AM
Bank raises red flag with FIU

Govt official pays off $m loans in 6 months

Published:
Sunday, April 14, 2013
DENYSE RENNE
 
Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.
 
The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.
 
Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.
 
According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...
 
Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.
 
In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.
 
The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.
 
The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.
 
The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.
 
Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 14, 2013, 08:06:29 AM
How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


$100m & MORE MISSING

It was a tale of treachery that caused a football tsunami the likes of which a vexed Austin Jack Warner had threatened to unleash on the House of FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) after his Zurich face-off with former close ally and FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.

Instead, it swept him away into a sea of much deeper corruption allegations and global law enforcement scrutiny.

Decades-old payments he had made from a CFU (Caribbean Football Union) bank account to an offshore company of another longstanding FIFA friend and confidant turned whistle-blower, Chuck Blazer, had caught the attention of United States authorities probing corruption in international football.

On March 27, Reuters reported that Warners son and business partner, Daryan, had turned cooperating witness to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and US tax authorities, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in connection with a US$500,000 payout made over 20 years.

 Minister Warner has refused to address directly whether he is a person of interest or comment on his sons role as a cooperating witness in an FBI football corruption investigation.

Meanwhile, in Panama City, another Pandoras Box revealing more of Warners dark football secrets is set to open at CONCACAFs Congress later this week. This one, too, is said to contain all the makings of a football tsunami of corruption claims and is expected to attract even more law enforcement interest.

The IRS is already digging deep into this particular box of muddled finances which leads right back to the Warner-Blazer duet, according to persons familiar with the situation.

At home, Sunday Express investigations into Warners activities reveal that the once powerful football figure--who had a box seat on the world and access to heads of state, private jets and corporate CEOsused his network of football and political connections to build a family business empire and personal fortune of about $200 million which from all accounts is a conservative estimate.

Some of this money came from cash transfers from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) to bank accounts held in the names of private Warner companies; so-called cash gifts in the tens of millions of dollars; rich World Cup TV broadcast deals run through a Cayman-registered company; World Cup tickets racket and vast flows of income from several sources, including the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya, property rentals and miscellaneous fees from football bodies.

The Member of Parliament (MP) for Chaguanas West, who emerged as the top-ranked cabinet minister in two surveys and served at times as this countrys acting prime minister, has featured in repeated allegations of corruption over the years and up until the events of May 2011 remained an untouchable, protected in the main by his scandal-scarred football boss, Blatter, even from complaints emanating from within the FIFA oligarchy, according to FIFA board minutes seen by this reporter.

The one-time star Government Minister, badly damaged by the Mohamed bin Hammam cash-for-vote affair which was played out on his front lawn at a Port of Spain hotel, has vehemently denied all allegations of wrongdoing but has inexplicably refused to have his day in courteither at the FIFA Ethics Committee hearing or the International Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS)opting instead to quit the bright lights of world football and to stay on the offensive, threatening a tsunami on Blatters House of FIFA and indulging in personal attacks against his detractors.

Even now, in the face of serious questions about financial irregularities in all of the football bodies he presided overCONCACAF, CFU, TTFF and LOC (Local Organising Committee) Germany 2006 LtdWarner, the Minister of National Security in the People's Partnership Government, has refused to address specific questions put to him by this newspaper and has complained instead of being the most vilified public official in the land.

Sunday Express investigations show that the former special adviser to TTFF transferred out tens of millions of dollars from the national football associations bank accounts to a local organising company, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, which was set up by his personal accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

Warner was both a director and chairman of LOC Germany, the corporate vehicle set up to collect money for transfer to TTFFs road to Germany 2006 World Cup campaign. He was also the man calling the shots, according to TTFFs top officials, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.

The two Warner front men were also directors in the February 2004-incorporated entity along with Warners other son, Daryll, and his secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste.

On February 21, 2004, 15 days after LOC Germany opened shop, TTFF special adviser Warner, dispatched a single page of correspondence to LOC Germany. In it, he gave himself via the newly-registered company the power and authority to negotiate all sponsorships, endorsements, match arrangements and other money-spinning opportunities associated with the Soca Warriors qualification for the 2006 World Cup.

Bank statements, payment vouchers and other financial records obtained by the Sunday Express show a reversal of roles between the national football association and its duly-appointed negotiating agent, LOC Germany, with the agent company stripping TTFFs accounts of surplus cash instead of paying out World Cup sponsorship money it had collected to designated accounts.

Documents also reveal that, at times, LOC Germany withdrew funds before it even hit the account.

Financial records show at least TT$100 million of public and private sector funds have gone missing. Tens of millions of dollars in World Cup funds were being tapped from TTFFs bank accounts by the Warner-run LOC Germany entity and by private corporations owned by him, specifically Jamad Ltd, JAW Ltd and Sportel Ltd.

Four sets of financial statements produced in just as many years by Warners accountant-in-chief Rampersad show significant omissions from the balance sheet. Public grants and other sponsorship money that should have gone into TTFFs bank accounts, according to official government records, have simply disappeared.

By the states own calculations, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds were paid to the national football association in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.

The various Rampersad financial statements, however, paint a far more modest picture. They reflect many discrepancies, conflicting numbers and more than $100 million missing in World Cup income.

Michael Townley, the British lawyer pursuing the Soca Warriors claim that Warner and the national football association drastically understated the Warriors

2006 World Cup income, described the financial information provided by TTFF and its accountant as works of fiction.

In pleadings made to a case management conference (CMC) before Justice Devindra Rampersad, Townley told of a tangled tale of opaque and misleading financial records, of the deliberate and continued attempt to conceal tens of millions of dollars to deny the players what is contractually owed to them and of Warners effective control of LOC Germany.

Townley told the court about the hardship of extracting credible information from the TTFF and its rogue" agent Jack Warnereven in the face of legal orders. Townley spoke of the rigged game the football association has played with the court and its disregard for the process of law.

Sponsorship information provided to Townley by the previous administration reveal that $205.6 million in State and private sector contributions were made to the TTFF in support of the Soca Warriors historic 2006 World Cup qualification.

The schedule of payments show that the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs provided just over $60.3 million, government state agencies $21.8 million and private sector corporations, including Atlantic LNG, Adidas, BHP Billiton and British Gas, $88.1 million.

The government disclosure also cited a CHF 7 million (Swiss francs) or TT$35.2 million figure in relation to the qualification grant from FIFA.

But the first Rampersad account, dated October 5, 2006 and addressed to Warner in his capacity as president of CONCACAF (the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean), made no mention of the CHF 7 million FIFA grant or Atlantic LNGs $3 million contribution.

The October statement gives a total sponsorship income of a mere $13 million.

Warners main man of business produced another set of accounts in November 2007 for an arbitration dispute headed to a London courtroom after the players rejected the 2006 financials and a settlement offer of just over $5,000 per player. Rampersads financials were addressed to Om Lalla, a key Warner attorney.

The FIFA grant appears in the 2007 accounts but the figure is trimmed by $1 million or TT$5 million. It also records for the first time a $600,000 grant from government but cuts the sponsorship income to $6.5m million. No explanation is given for these material adjustments.

In 2010, a court order forced the production of a financial statement for LOC Germany but this too contains significant omissions by Rampersad, who declares a total grant and sponsorship income of $54.5 million. More accounting games are played with the production of yet another set of court-ordered financial statements for TTFF in June 2011.

This one too has all the hallmarks of Rampersad, whose stock response to questions relating to the missing millions, built-in conflicts of interest, inflated expenses and understated income was: I am not at liberty to discuss the affairs of my clients, past or present.

He asked the Sunday Express to submit its questions in writing but up to press time there was no response.

The roster of sponsors named in the 2011 accounts show a $1.6 million grant from government and, for the first time in any of the Rampersad-produced accounts, a $250,000 contribution from British Gas.

Atlantic LNG did not make the roster of sponsors and the National Gas Company and BHP Billiton, which had fallen off the previous 2006 TTFF statement, made a return.

The contribution of State telecom giant TSTT tripled from $4 million in 2006 to $12.6 million in 2011.

Adidas, previously listed in 2006 with a $1.8 million contribution, went up to a wholesome $5.8 million in the 2011 filing.


There were other curious statements contained in the financials. Rampersads accounts, in talking about the FIFA CHF 6 million or TT$27.7 million grant, referred to the FIFA money being Due to TTFF although FIFA itself had written Warner as president of TTFF in November 2006 asking for banking instructions.

The November 15 letter, written by FIFAs director of Finance, Markus Kattner, noted: We kindly ask for your confirmation that we can transfer the balance to the official account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation immediately. Please note that we will transfer the balance in USD as per the daily rate of the day of the transaction.

Bank statements obtained through a court-ordered levy on the premises of the now insolvent national football association does not reflect substantial sponsorship funds, including the FIFA World Cup-Germany prize money.

Camps and Groden say their knowledge extends only to the three bank accounts disclosed to the court.

Neither had much to say to the Sunday Express. Camps declined comment, saying his memory was not as good as it used to be and Groden said only: I prefer not to speak without a lawyer.

The two football officials, in affidavits given to the court, have maintained that they knew nothing about the affairs of LOC Germany (although they were both listed as directors), and had no knowledge of anything outside of the information already provided to the court.

TTFFs top officials told the court that Warner not only had exclusive control of LOC Germany but had possession of all of the football associations financial records and company files.

Both men told the court it should look to Warner for an account of company records and other financial information since he was the man in charge and ultimately responsible for the affairs of the football association and its agent company, LOC Germany.

They have refused to go after Warner on the ground that he is a substantial creditor of the TTFF, but have provided no explanation about the circumstances leading to this creditor status.

Bank records for three of the associations accounts show substantial payments in the tens of millions to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and LOC Germany.

Warner has denied that he had a professional client/accountant relationship with Rampersad in a statement filed in the CMC hearing, but conceded that Rampersad was the accountant of several football bodies with which he had been associated, including TTFF, CFU and CONCACAF.

He omitted to say that the accounting briefs were either given directly or recommended by him. He also failed to disclose that Rampersad made a string of cameo appearances as a corporate officer in several of his private corporations.

The Warner affidavit said he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information or documentation relevant to helping the players determine the quantum of income earned during the 2006 World Cup effort so that they could determine what they are truthfully owed, but later told the court via his attorney that he had already provided all of the information in his possession and had nothing more to add.

Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.

Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.

Tomorrow: Part IIthe money trail.



Forumites here may like to note the role they played in this by their initial uncovering, back in 2007, of sponsorship deals. You guys scratched the surface and started a chain of events that could end who knows where.  :beermug:
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: AB.Trini on April 14, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
From the mouth of the esteem one comes the cries of 'woe is me' I am the most picked upon ; no gratitude; I am the victim in all this.

It baffles me as to how one with all these swirling allegations could still maintain public office in such a high portfolio when other ministers have been discharged for far less?

It makes one wonder as to if $$$ was not passed in financing the  political campaign which led to this present government reveling in victory therefore rending some as untouchables.

In many ways it is a tragic tale  full of sound and fury which need not have to come to this. A tragic figure with flaws exposed has cast a black cloud in what was supposed to be our finest  defining moment in our football history. Who is suffering throughout the unraveling of all these allegations?

Is it any wonder that some of our most talented and those who could chose to represent TnT are at arms length? how has these events affected the psyche and morale of our national teams? To ask players to make personal sacrifices  and to risk their personal careers and livelihood and then for some to reap the  financial benefits is a bitter pill to swallow.

To play on the emotional and financial blood of fans is a travesty. So many willing fans gave up so much to support their country to support players only  now to find out that on their backs a lion was growing with pride.

In all of this a figure could have been glorified and held in high regard  but now allegations are swirling that may confirm once more  the frailty of   man.  Sad sad indeed for our nation.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: King Deese on April 14, 2013, 09:06:15 AM
Enron ver. B.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Peong on April 14, 2013, 11:02:36 AM
The screws tighten.....

I was about to say the same thing.  Put Jack Warner on d rack and just tighten......
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: socalion on April 14, 2013, 11:44:48 AM
From the mouth of the esteem one comes the cries of 'woe is me' I am the most picked upon ; no gratitude; I am the victim in all this.

It baffles me as to how one with all these swirling allegations could still maintain public office in such a high portfolio when other ministers have been discharged for far less?

It makes one wonder as to if $$$ was not passed in financing the  political campaign which led to this present government reveling in victory therefore rending some as untouchables.

In many ways it is a tragic tale  full of sound and fury which need not have to come to this. A tragic figure with flaws exposed has cast a black cloud in what was supposed to be our finest  defining moment in our football history. Who is suffering throughout the unraveling of all these allegations?

Is it any wonder that some of our most talented and those who could chose to represent TnT are at arms length? how has these events affected the psyche and morale of our national teams? To ask players to make personal sacrifices  and to risk their personal careers and livelihood and then for some to reap the  financial benefits is a bitter pill to swallow.

To play on the emotional and financial blood of fans is a travesty. So many willing fans gave up so much to support their country to support players only  now to find out that on their backs a lion was growing with pride.

In all of this a figure could have been glorified and held in high regard  but now allegations are swirling that may confirm once more  the frailty of   man.  Sad sad indeed for our nation.

A.B trini !!! well you could  not have said it any better .....
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: truetrini on April 14, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
socalion, see where your academy money went?
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: socalion on April 14, 2013, 12:10:41 PM
Ah cyar find it yet,  as a result ah still searching for it:)
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 01:16:22 PM
Ah find this tid bit of info interesting.......I could understand why the players would want to settle but if part of the deal involves no further action e.g. they can't refer anything to the fraud squad then I would be a bit disappointed.....

Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.

Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.


Now would of been a good time to go behind him.

Listen the lucky 13 that still in d lawsuit your alphabet is A APPLE B BAT C 4 yuhself. Take d money and doh feel all yuh have responsibility to the nation. D nation voted 4 Jack and this posse when all yuh got 5000TT. So sort out all yuh business doh study we because we eh study all yuh when we gave d country 2 this pathetic posse.
From the mouth of the esteem one comes the cries of 'woe is me' I am the most picked upon ; no gratitude; I am the victim in all this.

It baffles me as to how one with all these swirling allegations could still maintain public office in such a high portfolio when other ministers have been discharged for far less?

It makes one wonder as to if $$$ was not passed in financing the  political campaign which led to this present government reveling in victory therefore rending some as untouchables.

In many ways it is a tragic tale  full of sound and fury which need not have to come to this. A tragic figure with flaws exposed has cast a black cloud in what was supposed to be our finest  defining moment in our football history. Who is suffering throughout the unraveling of all these allegations?

Is it any wonder that some of our most talented and those who could chose to represent TnT are at arms length? how has these events affected the psyche and morale of our national teams? To ask players to make personal sacrifices  and to risk their personal careers and livelihood and then for some to reap the  financial benefits is a bitter pill to swallow.

To play on the emotional and financial blood of fans is a travesty. So many willing fans gave up so much to support their country to support players only  now to find out that on their backs a lion was growing with pride.

In all of this a figure could have been glorified and held in high regard  but now allegations are swirling that may confirm once more  the frailty of   man.  Sad sad indeed for our nation.

A.B trini !!! well you could  not have said it any better .....

Mary King/Colin Partap/Hubert Volney eh finance d party to insure d govt got in 2 power. Thus he still in power.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 01:17:46 PM
How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


$100m & MORE MISSING

It was a tale of treachery that caused a football tsunami the likes of which a vexed Austin Jack Warner had threatened to unleash on the House of FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) after his Zurich face-off with former close ally and FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.

Instead, it swept him away into a sea of much deeper corruption allegations and global law enforcement scrutiny.

Decades-old payments he had made from a CFU (Caribbean Football Union) bank account to an offshore company of another longstanding FIFA friend and confidant turned whistle-blower, Chuck Blazer, had caught the attention of United States authorities probing corruption in international football.

On March 27, Reuters reported that Warners son and business partner, Daryan, had turned cooperating witness to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and US tax authorities, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in connection with a US$500,000 payout made over 20 years.

 Minister Warner has refused to address directly whether he is a person of interest or comment on his sons role as a cooperating witness in an FBI football corruption investigation.

Meanwhile, in Panama City, another Pandoras Box revealing more of Warners dark football secrets is set to open at CONCACAFs Congress later this week. This one, too, is said to contain all the makings of a football tsunami of corruption claims and is expected to attract even more law enforcement interest.

The IRS is already digging deep into this particular box of muddled finances which leads right back to the Warner-Blazer duet, according to persons familiar with the situation.

At home, Sunday Express investigations into Warners activities reveal that the once powerful football figure--who had a box seat on the world and access to heads of state, private jets and corporate CEOsused his network of football and political connections to build a family business empire and personal fortune of about $200 million which from all accounts is a conservative estimate.

Some of this money came from cash transfers from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) to bank accounts held in the names of private Warner companies; so-called cash gifts in the tens of millions of dollars; rich World Cup TV broadcast deals run through a Cayman-registered company; World Cup tickets racket and vast flows of income from several sources, including the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya, property rentals and miscellaneous fees from football bodies.

The Member of Parliament (MP) for Chaguanas West, who emerged as the top-ranked cabinet minister in two surveys and served at times as this countrys acting prime minister, has featured in repeated allegations of corruption over the years and up until the events of May 2011 remained an untouchable, protected in the main by his scandal-scarred football boss, Blatter, even from complaints emanating from within the FIFA oligarchy, according to FIFA board minutes seen by this reporter.

The one-time star Government Minister, badly damaged by the Mohamed bin Hammam cash-for-vote affair which was played out on his front lawn at a Port of Spain hotel, has vehemently denied all allegations of wrongdoing but has inexplicably refused to have his day in courteither at the FIFA Ethics Committee hearing or the International Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS)opting instead to quit the bright lights of world football and to stay on the offensive, threatening a tsunami on Blatters House of FIFA and indulging in personal attacks against his detractors.

Even now, in the face of serious questions about financial irregularities in all of the football bodies he presided overCONCACAF, CFU, TTFF and LOC (Local Organising Committee) Germany 2006 LtdWarner, the Minister of National Security in the People's Partnership Government, has refused to address specific questions put to him by this newspaper and has complained instead of being the most vilified public official in the land.

Sunday Express investigations show that the former special adviser to TTFF transferred out tens of millions of dollars from the national football associations bank accounts to a local organising company, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, which was set up by his personal accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

Warner was both a director and chairman of LOC Germany, the corporate vehicle set up to collect money for transfer to TTFFs road to Germany 2006 World Cup campaign. He was also the man calling the shots, according to TTFFs top officials, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden.

The two Warner front men were also directors in the February 2004-incorporated entity along with Warners other son, Daryll, and his secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste.

On February 21, 2004, 15 days after LOC Germany opened shop, TTFF special adviser Warner, dispatched a single page of correspondence to LOC Germany. In it, he gave himself via the newly-registered company the power and authority to negotiate all sponsorships, endorsements, match arrangements and other money-spinning opportunities associated with the Soca Warriors qualification for the 2006 World Cup.

Bank statements, payment vouchers and other financial records obtained by the Sunday Express show a reversal of roles between the national football association and its duly-appointed negotiating agent, LOC Germany, with the agent company stripping TTFFs accounts of surplus cash instead of paying out World Cup sponsorship money it had collected to designated accounts.

Documents also reveal that, at times, LOC Germany withdrew funds before it even hit the account.

Financial records show at least TT$100 million of public and private sector funds have gone missing. Tens of millions of dollars in World Cup funds were being tapped from TTFFs bank accounts by the Warner-run LOC Germany entity and by private corporations owned by him, specifically Jamad Ltd, JAW Ltd and Sportel Ltd.

Four sets of financial statements produced in just as many years by Warners accountant-in-chief Rampersad show significant omissions from the balance sheet. Public grants and other sponsorship money that should have gone into TTFFs bank accounts, according to official government records, have simply disappeared.

By the states own calculations, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds were paid to the national football association in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.

The various Rampersad financial statements, however, paint a far more modest picture. They reflect many discrepancies, conflicting numbers and more than $100 million missing in World Cup income.

Michael Townley, the British lawyer pursuing the Soca Warriors claim that Warner and the national football association drastically understated the Warriors

2006 World Cup income, described the financial information provided by TTFF and its accountant as works of fiction.

In pleadings made to a case management conference (CMC) before Justice Devindra Rampersad, Townley told of a tangled tale of opaque and misleading financial records, of the deliberate and continued attempt to conceal tens of millions of dollars to deny the players what is contractually owed to them and of Warners effective control of LOC Germany.

Townley told the court about the hardship of extracting credible information from the TTFF and its rogue" agent Jack Warnereven in the face of legal orders. Townley spoke of the rigged game the football association has played with the court and its disregard for the process of law.

Sponsorship information provided to Townley by the previous administration reveal that $205.6 million in State and private sector contributions were made to the TTFF in support of the Soca Warriors historic 2006 World Cup qualification.

The schedule of payments show that the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs provided just over $60.3 million, government state agencies $21.8 million and private sector corporations, including Atlantic LNG, Adidas, BHP Billiton and British Gas, $88.1 million.

The government disclosure also cited a CHF 7 million (Swiss francs) or TT$35.2 million figure in relation to the qualification grant from FIFA.

But the first Rampersad account, dated October 5, 2006 and addressed to Warner in his capacity as president of CONCACAF (the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean), made no mention of the CHF 7 million FIFA grant or Atlantic LNGs $3 million contribution.

The October statement gives a total sponsorship income of a mere $13 million.

Warners main man of business produced another set of accounts in November 2007 for an arbitration dispute headed to a London courtroom after the players rejected the 2006 financials and a settlement offer of just over $5,000 per player. Rampersads financials were addressed to Om Lalla, a key Warner attorney.

The FIFA grant appears in the 2007 accounts but the figure is trimmed by $1 million or TT$5 million. It also records for the first time a $600,000 grant from government but cuts the sponsorship income to $6.5m million. No explanation is given for these material adjustments.

In 2010, a court order forced the production of a financial statement for LOC Germany but this too contains significant omissions by Rampersad, who declares a total grant and sponsorship income of $54.5 million. More accounting games are played with the production of yet another set of court-ordered financial statements for TTFF in June 2011.

This one too has all the hallmarks of Rampersad, whose stock response to questions relating to the missing millions, built-in conflicts of interest, inflated expenses and understated income was: I am not at liberty to discuss the affairs of my clients, past or present.

He asked the Sunday Express to submit its questions in writing but up to press time there was no response.

The roster of sponsors named in the 2011 accounts show a $1.6 million grant from government and, for the first time in any of the Rampersad-produced accounts, a $250,000 contribution from British Gas.

Atlantic LNG did not make the roster of sponsors and the National Gas Company and BHP Billiton, which had fallen off the previous 2006 TTFF statement, made a return.

The contribution of State telecom giant TSTT tripled from $4 million in 2006 to $12.6 million in 2011.

Adidas, previously listed in 2006 with a $1.8 million contribution, went up to a wholesome $5.8 million in the 2011 filing.


There were other curious statements contained in the financials. Rampersads accounts, in talking about the FIFA CHF 6 million or TT$27.7 million grant, referred to the FIFA money being Due to TTFF although FIFA itself had written Warner as president of TTFF in November 2006 asking for banking instructions.

The November 15 letter, written by FIFAs director of Finance, Markus Kattner, noted: We kindly ask for your confirmation that we can transfer the balance to the official account of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation immediately. Please note that we will transfer the balance in USD as per the daily rate of the day of the transaction.

Bank statements obtained through a court-ordered levy on the premises of the now insolvent national football association does not reflect substantial sponsorship funds, including the FIFA World Cup-Germany prize money.

Camps and Groden say their knowledge extends only to the three bank accounts disclosed to the court.

Neither had much to say to the Sunday Express. Camps declined comment, saying his memory was not as good as it used to be and Groden said only: I prefer not to speak without a lawyer.

The two football officials, in affidavits given to the court, have maintained that they knew nothing about the affairs of LOC Germany (although they were both listed as directors), and had no knowledge of anything outside of the information already provided to the court.

TTFFs top officials told the court that Warner not only had exclusive control of LOC Germany but had possession of all of the football associations financial records and company files.

Both men told the court it should look to Warner for an account of company records and other financial information since he was the man in charge and ultimately responsible for the affairs of the football association and its agent company, LOC Germany.

They have refused to go after Warner on the ground that he is a substantial creditor of the TTFF, but have provided no explanation about the circumstances leading to this creditor status.

Bank records for three of the associations accounts show substantial payments in the tens of millions to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and LOC Germany.

Warner has denied that he had a professional client/accountant relationship with Rampersad in a statement filed in the CMC hearing, but conceded that Rampersad was the accountant of several football bodies with which he had been associated, including TTFF, CFU and CONCACAF.

He omitted to say that the accounting briefs were either given directly or recommended by him. He also failed to disclose that Rampersad made a string of cameo appearances as a corporate officer in several of his private corporations.

The Warner affidavit said he was prepared to provide TTFF with the information or documentation relevant to helping the players determine the quantum of income earned during the 2006 World Cup effort so that they could determine what they are truthfully owed, but later told the court via his attorney that he had already provided all of the information in his possession and had nothing more to add.

Sources with knowledge of the pay dispute say the players and the TTFF are unlikely to return to court and are close to reaching a settlement on the claim.

Its one less tsunami for Jack Warner to worry about but it has washed up a lot of driftwood on his home shore.

Tomorrow: Part IIthe money trail.



Forumites here may like to note the role they played in this by their initial uncovering, back in 2007, of sponsorship deals. You guys scratched the surface and started a chain of events that could end who knows where.  :beermug:

EMAN I  :applause: :salute: u
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Bakes on April 14, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 14, 2013, 01:41:03 PM
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.

  People could make dey points however they please.  Relax yuh self and keep it moving.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: lefty on April 14, 2013, 02:48:02 PM
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.

  People could make dey points however they please.  Relax yuh self and keep it moving.

nah but seriously chow it does really make reading through kinda annoying they can delete most of the article and add "stops" when dey quote it like below....it helps readability


How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


$100m & MORE MISSING

It was a tale of treachery ................


Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 14, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
Some ah allyuh could make allyuh points without quoting the preceding posts in their entirety.

  People could make dey points however they please.  Relax yuh self and keep it moving.

nah but seriously chow it does really make reading through kinda annoying they can delete most of the article and add "stops" when dey quote it like below....it helps readability


How Warner built his empire: a tangled web of TTFF cash transfers, gifts and undeclared sponsorships
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


$100m & MORE MISSING

It was a tale of treachery ................



   I hyear yuh...but it have people starvin' dey ass orff in Africa doh know where dey next meal coming from or if it go even come before dey dead....a little "annoyance" eh go kill we.   :beermug:
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: g on April 14, 2013, 05:59:46 PM
Finally these stories getting the front page headlines as it should be.

The info may be shocking to john public but the exact contents have been published here almost 6 years ago.

This is arguably more grotesque than Piarco and UdecoTT combined. A national scandal, Jack Warner is an absolute disgrace to the people of Trinidad and Tobago.

I wonder how he sleeps at night, the fact that he has deprived young men and women of the resources to maximize their potential through football by his own greed. I sometimes try to rationalize his actions, his entry into national public life, was it an attempt to balance his actions previously, pious declarations of $1 salary and positioning himself as some kind of hero.

Disgusting
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: dreamer on April 14, 2013, 06:18:37 PM
... dreamer going to real enjoy breakfast dis morning ;D ... and why not? Quite an article!

 :beermug: More to come.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 07:43:33 PM
Finally these stories getting the front page headlines as it should be.

The info may be shocking to john public but the exact contents have been published here almost 6 years ago.

This is arguably more grotesque than Piarco and UdecoTT combined. A national scandal, Jack Warner is an absolute disgrace to the people of Trinidad and Tobago.

I wonder how he sleeps at night, the fact that he has deprived young men and women of the resources to maximize their potential through football by his own greed. I sometimes try to rationalize his actions, his entry into national public life, was it an attempt to balance his actions previously, pious declarations of $1 salary and positioning himself as some kind of hero.

Disgusting

That is what is so saddddd d journalist is so clueless we knew this long long time but Camini late late and beating her chest. Not 2mention all yuh put him in power.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: coache on April 14, 2013, 08:02:11 PM
Ok..so when is de case?
All dis Grand Charging and de man still outside...lock up de man..
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: King Deese on April 14, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
I am sure you are right Weary. Better late than never.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jefferz on April 14, 2013, 08:08:08 PM
can't wait to visit him in jail.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 08:08:46 PM
I am sure you are right Weary. Better late than never.


Ok..so when is de case?
All dis Grand Charging and de man still outside...lock up de man..

Williams eh even question d man u expect him 2 lock him up. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 08:12:09 PM
I am sure you are right Weary. Better late than never.



EH EH not in this case. This makin we look like a green fig republic.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: King Deese on April 14, 2013, 08:36:24 PM
So you are concerned about the way we look? Is that right.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 09:01:36 PM
So you are concerned about the way we look? Is that right.

Among other things. I just fed up of d entire situation.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 11:00:11 PM
Money Trail Exposed.
By Camini Marajh - Head Investigative Desk
Part II of a Special Investigation
T&T Express.


If international auditing firm KPMG had any concerns about the vast flows of sponsorship money going out of the bank accounts of one of its client, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), to an agent company created and controlled by the clients special adviser Jack Warner, it is not at all apparent in the unqualified statement covering three years of audited accounts the firm signed off on in 2008.

Evidence unearthed by this newspaper revealed that the national football federation, its agent companyLOC Germany 2006and special adviser Warner, the man who set up the rogue company, were allowed to operate in a zone of impunity by both its conflicted accountant, Kenny Rampersad, and its auditor, KPMG.

LOC Germany, Warner himself and private companies in which National Security Minister Warner had an interest were allowed without challenge, sanction or a note to any of the accounts, to funnel tens of millions of dollars out of TTFFs bank accounts.

In the three-year period under review2005 to 2007LOC Germany diverted over $32 million in grants and sponsorship money paid into two TTFF accounts held with Republic Bank to itself. JAW Ltd, a private Warner company, redirected more than $13 million in public and private sector money held at the Republic Bank West Mall and Long Circular branches to itself.

Financial records, TTFF bank statements and other documents in the possession of this newspaper show about $3 million in grant money paid to the national football federation in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign being moved to Jamad Ltd, another private Warner entity. The documents show some $9 million was re-routed from the two Republic Bank accounts to Warner himself.

Sponsorship funds were also redirected to other Warner associated companies, including the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, Catch of D Day, Sportel Ltd and CONCACAF (the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean) and of which Warner was president.

Another $322,000, representing six transactions over several months in 2007, was moved from another TTFF account held with First Citizens Bank at the corner of Park and Henry Streets to Jamad Ltd.

The documents show several instances where millions of dollars were deposited into TTFFs bank accounts and just as quickly transferred to LOC Germany or Warner-related accounts.

On May 2, 2006, $14.4 million was debited from the Republic West Mall account in favour of LOC Germany. The deposit for the same amount was made 16 days later by the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs.
There was another similar money-out money-in transaction on May 8. LOC Germany cleared out a little over $2.6 million the same day the exact sum was paid in by a corporate sponsor.

Voucher-payable documents show a $6.7 million payment being made to Warner in July 2007. The football associations top officials Oliver Camps and Richard Groden were signatories to the paperwork. The government had paid in just over $10.1 million via the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs the week before. There were also occasions when the bank transfers placed the TTFF accounts in overdraft.

Rampersad has not responded to a request for comment on several important aspects of the TTFF financials drawn up by him including whether Warner had an input in the making of the accounts but all the evidence place him in a very conflicted position. In the first of four sets of accounts produced by him and addressed to Warner as president of CONCACAF, Rampersad noted: In accordance with your request we have completed the accompanying statement of income and expenditure relative to TTs participation in the 2006 World Cup.

In the 2006 accounts, Rampersad, who was also the auditor of CONCACAF, declared a total sponsorship income of $13 million. As reported in Part I of this series, official state records place the total sponsorship and grant figure at a minimum of $205.6 million. Sources report that an unknown amount of funds paid into TTFFs coffers in support of the 2006 World Cup effort were redirected elsewhere.

The federations auditor, KPMG, responding to a list of questions from the Express, made clear that LOC Germany was created to see about all aspects of our football teams preparation and participation in the 2006 World Cup and as far as they were concerned it was a separate legal entity and did not form part of its audit remit.

Managing Partner of KPMG Robert Alleyne explained it this way: You would appreciate that LOC and TTFF being separate legal entities and our audit engagement related to TTFF alone, consequently, we had no basis to request or to examine the accounting records of LOC.

Asked whether KPMG investigated the circumstances in which TTFF ended up indebted to its special adviser Warner, KPMG said: We stand by our audit report which did not express any reservations about the debt.

Questioned about a $716,339 debt to LOC Germany in 2006 Alleyne said: There is no requirement to disclose the purpose of debt.

Alleyne made clear that the questions submitted by this reporter crossed the line  and that the international auditing firm had an overriding contractual obligation to its client to keep information obtained by us in our capacity as their auditor, confidential.

He said further that KPMGs policies prevent us from commenting on the nature of or outcome of the audit.

Continues on Wednesday with The Great Deception.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 14, 2013, 11:03:34 PM
6.7 million to Warner  in July 2007 election November 2007 purely coincidental.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: King Deese on April 15, 2013, 01:49:21 AM
Baby girl you know the serenity prayer: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference. The rest of this prayer is way too deep for this moment. You get the gist of it. Right?
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 15, 2013, 05:26:02 AM
Cocoa in the Sun!
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Brownsugar on April 15, 2013, 06:13:19 AM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 15, 2013, 06:41:31 AM
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?

Bank raises red flag with FIU

Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.

 The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.

Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.

According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...

Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.

In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.

The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.

The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.

The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.

Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: spideybuff on April 15, 2013, 07:25:15 AM
I doh understand what going on here. Isn't all this evidence? Doesn't it mean something can be done? Where mih lawyers on the site? Is since 2006 we fighting this battle...
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 15, 2013, 08:09:39 AM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....

I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 15, 2013, 08:23:38 AM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....

I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.

If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 15, 2013, 08:33:38 AM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....

I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.

Most of this was put out by Lasana years ago. But I guess she has re ignited the interest.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 15, 2013, 08:45:39 AM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....

I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.

If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Brownsugar on April 15, 2013, 12:25:57 PM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....

I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.

If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass

Well boy, what ah goh say.....God bless America and better late than never.....
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 15, 2013, 12:28:18 PM
Is like hunting season open. Poor fellah lol.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 15, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
Camini Maharaj doh cater papa!!  Is wetting after wetting after wetting!!!.....

I eh really impress if she was really an investgative journalist she would have written this story years ago. I s only because CONCACAF heat up the trail she on it.

If the FBI story had not break , all of them would still be letting Warner pass

Well boy, what ah goh say.....God bless America and better late than never.....

Yep God Bless America
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: spideybuff on April 15, 2013, 03:34:11 PM
I don't think Lasana or Jennings ever had the paper trail though. I never heard about actual transfers to the various companies and we never had the actual figures of government money that was taken. We just know that money was missing. Are all these documents part of the court case for the Soca Warriors?
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 15, 2013, 04:50:55 PM
I don't think Lasana or Jennings ever had the paper trail though. I never heard about actual transfers to the various companies and we never had the actual figures of government money that was taken. We just know that money was missing. Are all these documents part of the court case for the Soca Warriors?

Bank statements obtained through a court-ordered levy on the premises of the now insolvent national football association does not reflect substantial sponsorship funds, including the FIFA World Cup-Germany prize money. 
I think if you subtract the sponsorship deals located by sw.net forumites from the deposits on the TTFF bank statements you can deduct a certain amount. But it's clear that once the bank statements were obtained they would show transactions that could raise further questions.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jay10 on April 15, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?

Bank raises red flag with FIU

Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.

 The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.

Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.

According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...

Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.

In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.

The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.

The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.

The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.

Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.


This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)

Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 15, 2013, 10:13:46 PM
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?

Bank raises red flag with FIU

Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.

 The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.

Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.

According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...

Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.

In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.

The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.

The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.

The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.

Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.


This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)

Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.

Who is d next 1? U are Always Generous wit yuh info. Doh leave us hanging.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 15, 2013, 10:18:56 PM
Warner hits out at the media
By Renuka Singh (Express).


JACK LASHES BACK

National Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday described himself as incorruptible.

Warner was referring specifically to an exclusive Express investigation which found that over $100 million went missing during his dealings with local football since 2006.

The investigation by head of the Express Investigative Desk, Camini Marajh, also found that millions of dollars were transferred to Warners bank accounts from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).

If I did not believe that (I was incorruptible) I wouldnt say it. You point to anything that I have done as a Minister in this country that warrant me to change my opinion. Nothing, he said.

In 2013, seven years later we are struggling to prevent us from being the worlds most stupid country as far as journalism is concerned, he said.

Who would have thought that after bringing this country, the smallest country on earth in 2006 to the biggest event on earth (World Cup football) that seven years after, I would read so much garbage? Who would have thought so? he said.

Warner was delivering the keynote address at a Recognition and Awards ceremony for members of the protective services at his Ministrys office on Abercromby Street yesterday during which he spent the majority of his speaking time criticising the local media for focusing too much on negative news.

He took sections of the media to task for what he described as continued attacks on him now by using old information.

No reporter thought about expenditure, what this cost, what that cost. They only concerned with income and that is news...If you want to look at something that happened seven years ago which is still out there in the public domain, I am not prepared to be sidetracked, he said.

When asked to comment specifically about the allegations, Warner said he had guys with silk who would do that for him.

When they put on their silk they will do it (respond), for the time being dont let me do for them nah. I have said nothing more, all I am saying is that when they put on their silk, they will deal with that. Dont let me do it for them, he said.

He said even with all the negative reports about him he would not be deterred, but was curious why he was the bete noire of the Government.

My wife is telling me where the money gone? I say what money you talking about and when she show me (the article) I said steups, he said.

Despite two recent surveys that showed he remained the most popular Minister of the Peoples Partnership Government, Warner described himself as the most despised, but soon clarified that statement.

I wont say I am the most despised because one media house has a grievance, I dont judge myself by that, he said.

Warner maintained that he is being unfairly targeted by one media house in particular but said the country was not stupid.

One thing about this country is that people are not stupid and people can see what is happening. I mean one week, two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, people can see what is happening, Warner said.

He accused the Express of using him to sell papers.

Two weeks ago, an internal memo from Warners office was leaked to the media, which stated that the distribution of advertisements had to be approved by Warner. This was considered by commentators to be a high handed move to starve offending media houses of lucrative Government advertising deals.

I cant speak for other Ministries but I know that my Ministry has a limited budget and I want to make sure that the money they have is spent prudently and they get the best coverage for the money they spent. So I want to oversee how it is spent, where it is spent. That is the reason behind it, he said.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 15, 2013, 10:21:41 PM
Moonilal: No damage to Govt
Jack Warners financial dealings

By Ria Taitt Political Editor
Story Created: Apr 15, 2013 at 9:49 PM ECT
Story Updated: Apr 15, 2013 at 9:49 PM ECT

Housing Minister Roodal Moonilal does not think that revelations about Jack Warners  financial dealings published in the Sunday and Monday Express are damaging to the Government and party.
Asked to comment yesterday, Moonilal said: I have seen in the newspapers matters concerning Mr Warner that are dated prior to 2010, (it dates back to) 2006 involving his connection with football. And these are matters that have already been in the public domain. I prefer not to comment since they are matters concerning Mr Warners personal and professional work, prior to entering into Government. And I prefer not to make conclusions based primarily on newspaper reports, he said.

Asked if he believed that the revelations were damaging to the Government, Moonilal said, No, no, I dont think so at all. That is Mr Warners private business before he entered Government. And these are newspaper reports and newspaper conclusions. And Mr Warner and/or his accountant may wish to comment on those things.

A special investigation by head of the Express Investigative Desk, Camini Marajh, detailed (among other things) the contributions made by various corporate entities amounting to approximately $205.6 million for the Warriors to the Local Organising Committee (LOC), chaired by Warner. The investigation found that $100 million appeared to have gone missing based on the  financial statements of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).

On St Joseph MP Herbert Volney choosing 34 as the number for his new Audi,  Moonilal said,  Volney had a very morbid sense of humour, but a sense of honour nevertheless.
Volney, who was fired over the Section 34 fiasco has said that 34 is his lucky number since it brought him true emancipation. He said he baptised his red Audi PCY 34 so that it would be a remembrance of the courage of his conviction.

On Volneys statements that he was finished with the Peoples Partnership, Moonilal said Volney was a mercurial character. Tomorrow I am sure he will embrace us all as he normally does, in or out of jeans, he said, chuckling. It was a reference to that fact that Volney attended Parliament last Friday dressed in jeans and jacket, an unusual attire for MPs  who are expected to wear business suit (not casual wear).
Moonilal said Volney has been writing on the blogs about the importance of servicing constituencies. He has made the point repeatedly that the Government must  provide goods and services to the constituencies.

I imagine he meant that if Government failed to deliver on the  goods and services, then those constituencies can revert to the PNM. And later on in the week I intend to meet him as I usually do for a cup of coffee at his constituency office and we will discuss (the issue) further, he said.
Volney has reportedly stated that if the Government continues on its current path, the Peoples Partnership would lose the East-West Corridor constituencies.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Flex on April 16, 2013, 04:08:46 AM
Warner on report of football corruption probe: Let them write, I dont care
By Geisha Kowlessar (Guardian).


I dont give a fig and who wants to write let them write. So said National Security Minister Jack Warner yesterday in response to a fresh wave of news reports of his tenure in the football fraternity. Who want to write, write. I dont care. The time will come when we will deal with that. I will hit them with hurt, he told members of the media at a recognition and awards ceremony for various law enforcement bodies at his ministrys Abercromby Street, Port-of-Spain, offices.

The latest reports deal with Warners tenure in the Caribbean Football Union and Concacaf and his relationship with former Concacaf official Chuck Blazer. It noted that US authorities were now looking at the operations of both bodies in an ongoing probe into corruption in international football. The latest report comes after a March 27 Reuters article claimed Warners son, Daryan, had agreed to co-operate with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in another probe into corruption in FIFA.

Yesterday, Warner said: All guns were pointed at me, adding there were certain people who were bent on getting him at all costs. He added: You have to ask yourself why? Why Jack Warner? The fact is to get Jack Warner and bring him down because if you do that, this aggressive war, this fight on crime, will end. The drug lords will not like me. The drug lords supporters will not like me. But I dont give a fig. I am doing what I was supposed to do.

Warner, who also accused the media of using him to sell papers, said he was undeterred because he had the support of the people. Praising the officers for their hard work and dedication, Warner warned them not to expect any recognition from the media because the media  would not be interested in that.

He also urged them to continue working for the good of T&T and to dismiss negative, saying: This is a seven-day country. Sometimes I call it chinee country, their memory short. Who would have thought that after bringing this country, the smallest country on earth, to the biggest event on earth in 2006 (World Cup), that seven years after I would read such garbage or hear about it at least.

But this is the country we live in. So seven years after my wife would tell me a $100 million and more so where the money gone? He said in the media reports there was no mention of expenditure. It was only income and that is news. So while we struggled in 2006 to put the smallest country in the world on the highest level in 2013, seven years later we are struggling to prevent us from being the worlds most stupid country as far as journalism is concerned, he added. 

Urging the officers not to fall for that, Warner told them once they did what was right they could sleep very soundly at night. Regarding crime statistics, Warner said for the past three nights and days there were no murders but that would not be reported because the media was not interested in that kind of news. He said: All the drug busts you have made, you would not hear anything about that. The Coast Guard stopped 90 vessels over the Easter weekend but again you would not hear anything about that.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2013, 05:17:09 AM
He fraid. Up to now he cah prove them wrong
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jah Gol on April 16, 2013, 06:01:06 AM
The standards of public behaviour have fallen so low this government that I'm starting to almost forget what is good and appropriate.  The PM is so leveraged and morally compromised ,so weak and loves office so much that she can only put her head and the sand while this wajang wreaks havoc.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jah Gol on April 16, 2013, 06:09:34 AM
At what point do we will revert to sanity ?What is Moonilal talking about ? The Minister of National Security , an MP and no less a person than the Chairman of your party is being fingered in gross financial impropriety of international proportions and that doesn't affect your party ? Jack have DVDs on all of them or what ? None of them have any balls to do what is right because office is too important. Let the country go to hell but I keeping my position.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 16, 2013, 06:25:30 AM
It will be interesting to see what occurs on Friday at the CONCACAF meeting when details of their investigation are revealed. As we have seen, even if you have a just reason for receiving money into your personal account, without proper and accurate accountancy practices, it looks bad. If this is just Jack not keeping good records or co mingling funds "innocently", then we will see the same patterns with the CONCACAF bank accounts.

Jack is talking about nobody mentioning the expenditure, but if its not listed in the accounts, how can they?

Difference is this: The FBI will not just shrug their shoulders, they will demand answers immediately. They will request that Jack visits USA to assist and if he refuses, they will try to extradite. And this government cannot afford to fight that extradition.

Or maybe Jack will resign Friday morning, just as he did to avoid the FIFA embarrassment, to create the story rather than be the subject of it.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: King Deese on April 16, 2013, 07:48:59 AM
Sometimes you want to go to a place where you can get a good laugh and Trinidad is one of those places. The man with the funny talk said he is "incorruptible as a sinister." Questionable. "Once you do what is right you can sleep well at night"
It is not your role as sinister that is under investigation, it is your role as fifa officer that is under investigation. Don't get it twisted.
People like: Charles Taylor, Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler, Bernie Madoff, Jeffrey Skillings and the entire Enron Crew, Osama Ben Laden, Sepp Blatter, Pablo Escobar Jr. and the list goes on, all thought they were doing the right thing too and they slept well at night.
In a sense what you are hoping for "the incorruptible one" is that this thing would go away and people would forget. But the truth of the matter is millions of dollars are missing and it happened on your watch. That money did not grow legs and just get up and walk out. Your actions in regard to this missing money are very shady, slim shady. All of the organizations that you were in charge of are broke. TTFF, broke. CFU, broke. CONCACAF, broke. That is not a coincidence, slim shady. What is even more infuriating is that you continue to insult people's intelligence with your funny bullshit talk. All those people mentioned above thought they were indestructible.Your time will come, slim.
 
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on April 16, 2013, 07:58:21 AM
They seeing what MIGHT be blood in the water so they finally "investigating"
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 16, 2013, 08:23:44 AM
At what point do we will revert to sanity ?What is Moonilal talking about ? The Minister of National Security , an MP and no less a person than the Chairman of your party is being fingered in gross financial impropriety of international proportions and that doesn't affect your party ? Jack have DVDs on all of them or what ? None of them have any balls to do what is right because office is too important. Let the country go to hell but I keeping my position.

After Reshmi/ Section 34 what is a cool 100 million I agree Roodal boi doh hott yuh head.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on April 16, 2013, 10:50:08 AM
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Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Bourbon on April 16, 2013, 10:53:51 AM
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Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jay10 on April 16, 2013, 11:03:12 AM
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?

Bank raises red flag with FIU

Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a red flag after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the officials private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.

 The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.

Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds, the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.

According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactionsevery financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or travellers cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...

Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.

In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.

The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act. The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.

The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.

The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity. The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.

Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.


This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)

Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.

Who is d next 1? U are Always Generous wit yuh info. Doh leave us hanging.

Alland ;)
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 16, 2013, 11:47:08 AM
I'm not suggesting this may be linked to the Minister of National Security, but these continuing financial suspicions allegedly involving cabinet ministers must be of concern to the P.M.?

Bank raises red flag with FIU

Republic Bank has alerted the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) to the suspicious transactions of a senior government official. The bank, sources say, raised a “red flag” after the official paid off two million-dollar mortgages within a six-month time frame. One of the mortgages was for a property purchased through the official’s private company in 2010 valued at $1.75 million, while the other was for a property purchased in September 2011 at a cost of $3.3 million.

 The bank initially started its own investigation late last year after discovering the mortgages were fully paid off. Bank officials noticed that apart from the monthly payments, the government official was also making payments on a daily basis towards the mortgages. The daily payments, sources say, were close to $42,000 and were paid at different banks throughout the country. Banking officials, however, say there is a $60,000 per day limit on the amount of money which can be deposited in personal accounts.

“Anything higher than this, individuals will have to declare a source of funds,” the banking official, who did not want to be named, told the Sunday Guardian.

According to banking regulations issued by the Central Bank, and under the heading large/suspicious transaction records, “financial institutions should review and properly document the background and purpose of all complex, unusual, or large transactions…every financial institution which receives cash, bank cheques, drafts, money orders or traveller’s cheques in an amount in excess of the threshold shall keep and retain a large transaction record...”

Following investigations by Republic Bank, it was discovered that the government official also has accounts with other banking institutions. However, no money was withdrawn during the said period in which the daily deposits to Republic were made on the mortgage accounts. It was after this internal probe was completed that Republic Bank alerted the FIU of the transactions.

In response to questions from the Sunday Guardian on the matter, Republic Bank, through its Corporate Communications and Marketing Department, said in a statement, "We are unable to reveal actual bank procedures. However, and as you would imagine, we cannot comment on any transactions which might or might not have occurred.

“The bank is guided by the Proceeds of Crime Act 2009 in identifying and reporting transactions which might be considered suspicious based on descriptions provided by Section 55 of the act.” The FIU, in a release in response to questions as to whether a report was made to them by Republic Bank, said such disclosures are confidential, adding should they be made public it would breach sections 21 and 24 of the FIU Act.

The intelligence unit is headed by Susan Francois, while Nigel Stoddard is its deputy director. Asked specifically whether the government official is currently being probed, the FIU said: "The subject of a suspicious transaction activity/reports (STR/SAR) is confidential information. The FIU cannot disclose the person who is the subject of a STR/SAR.

“The FIU cannot disclose whether it has sent an intelligence report to law enforcement agencies (LEA) for their investigation, or whether an investigation has commenced on an individual or legal entity.” The release further said should such confidences be breached, an FIU officer would face the penalty of a fine of $250,000 and three years' imprisonment.

Last August, Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said some 300 reports involving suspicious-activity transactions were made to the FIU. He was speaking in the Senate on the Miscellaneous Provisions (Financial Intelligence Unit of Trinidad and Tobago and Anti-Terrorism) Bill 2012.


This article is NOT linked to the National security Minister, but another very high ranking government official. There's Kams, Jacko and ;)

Jacko and Kams ruled out so the article is about the other one.

Who is d next 1? U are Always Generous wit yuh info. Doh leave us hanging.

Alland ;)

Thanks 4 clearin that up.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2013, 12:03:18 PM
NICE
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: boss on April 16, 2013, 08:09:35 PM
Warner sued for $1.2m
Company claims non-payment for printing, signage
By Sascha Wilson (Guardian).


National Security Minister Jack Warner has found himself entangled in another legal battle relating to his former tenure with Federation Internationale de Football Associations (FIFA). This time Warner is being sued for more than $1.2 million by a local company, Graphix Advantage Ltd, for alleged non-payment for printing and installing of signage for the FIFA Womens World Cup Under 17 in T&T in 2010.

Yesterday Justice Frank Seepersad described as unacceptable Warners non-attendance in the matter, saying at the last hearing in January he specifically requested Warner to be present. Citing Standing Order 27 5(2) of the Civil Proceedings Rules, the judge said Warner has a responsibility to appear in the matter. He said court attendance must take primary precedence over any other activity. Attorney Dereck Balliram, who with attorney Om Lalla appeared for Warner, apologised but gave no reason for the ministers absence.

The judge ordered that Warner be present at the next hearing on September 25. Warner is named as the second defendant while T&T Football Federation (TTFF) is named as the first defendant in the matter in the San Fernando Civil Court. The company, through its managing director Imamuddin Baksh, is being represented by Hendrickson Suenath SC. Attorney Derick Ali, who is representing TTFF, was also absent yesterday. Parties were ordered to file witness statements by July 19.

The claim
 
In the statement of claim, Baksh said at the time of the business transaction he was the personal assistant to Warner, then works and transport minister. Baksh is claiming Warner was then the special adviser of TTFF and chairman of the de facto Local Organising Committee (LOC) of the FIFA Womens World Cup Under 17, 2010 competition.

Baksh is also claiming Warner requested and instructed him to print and install signage at all the stadia where the competition was to be held. Warner, according to Baksh, assured him that payment for said work would have been paid by him on behalf of LOC. Baksh said invoices for the total sum of $1,360,968 for the printing and installing of large posters/banners were duly delivered to TTFF.

He said in November 2010 he was paid $98,555 by a cheque drawn on an account in the name of LOC South Africa 2010 Ltd. Baksh claimed he made numerous requests for the balance $1,262,413.19 but to no avail. He said he was subsequently fired in 2011.

Warners defence

In documents filed by Warner and TTFF, both defendants are denying allegations made by Baksh. Warners defence, according to court documents, is that all transactions and agreements were made with the LOC of FIFAs Womens World Cup Under 17, 2010 and not him in a personal capacity and all goods and services were received by the LOC.

Warner denied he was the de facto chairman of the LOC because at all material times management of competition were under control of the LOC and its chief executive officer, Nataki Kerr. TTFFs also claimed all business transactions were done with LOC and not TTFF.
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Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2013, 08:13:06 PM
Warner the big theif
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: E-man on April 16, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?
The part 2 is above. unless you're referring to something else
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59451.msg849034#msg849034
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 16, 2013, 08:35:16 PM
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?

Part 3 2mor. D gr8 deception how Jack convince CONCACAF that they on d COE.
Title: Re: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2013, 09:08:33 PM
Btw didn't the express say they have a new article today about Warner?
The part 2 is above. unless you're referring to something else
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59451.msg849034#msg849034

Nah the great deception is one they say
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 16, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Found it. Copy and paste it for me


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Concacaf-pays-bills--for-Warners-Centre-203316111.html
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Richard G. on April 17, 2013, 01:40:26 AM
How Warner duped FIFA, Concacaf into believing they owned the $144m Centre of Excellence.
Part III of a Special Investigation Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


THE GREAT DECEPTION

For over a decade, football power broker Jack Austin Warner hid a US$22.5 million asset in plain sight on the balance sheet of footballs ruling body for North and Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf) of which he was president.

And for just as long, Warner was collecting hundreds of thousands of US dollars in member services and building maintenance fees from Concacaf for an assetthe Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellencethat many in FIFA, footballs world governing body, and Concacaf considered to be the crown jewel of the regional football federation.

The only wrinkle in this long standing arrangement between the football confederation and its ex-president of two decades is ownership of the asset.

Persons familiar with the situation told the Express that FIFA and Concacaf were duped by its ex-top official Warner into thinking that the regional football body owned the sprawling 16.9 acre sporting complex complete with artificial turf ground and 33-room hotel.

The land on which the US$22.5 million FIFA-Concacaf built and paid-for facility sits on, is owned by Jack Warner and two of his private corporations, CCAM and Co Ltd and Renraw Investments Ltd.

The Warner deception was discovered last June by Cayman banker and new Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb who retained the global law firm of Sidley Austin LLP and audit and consulting firm BDO to conduct a forensic audit into Concacafs finances.

At a news conference in New York last September, Webb said the Confederations executive committee had agreed to give investigators more time. "This audit is a massive undertaking that will set our financial house straight and ensure that Concacafs operations are executed in a responsible and ethical manner," he said.

Chairman of Concacafs Integrity Committee, Sir David Simmons, a former chief justice of Barbados, will reveal the findings of the forensic audit first to delegates of the Confederations annual congress in Panama City tomorrow and then to the international media on Friday.

The question of whether the Confederation should go after its former boss in relation to the loss of a valuable assetthe Centre of Excellence will be put to the floor for a vote tomorrow, according to Concacaf insiders. Also headed for discussion is whether the Confederation should extend its forensic investigation to Port of Spain, specifically, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) of which Warner was special adviser up until 2011, said one source.

The annual congress will also deliberate on whether the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) of which Warner was also president should be added to the laundry list of Warner-associated football bodies to be investigated. Reuters had reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and US tax authorities are already on the CFU case.

How was Warner able to dupe FIFA and the Confederation on the ownership of a US$22.5 million asset for so long? Insiders say the answer lies with the lack of a proper governance structure inside the Warner-controlled Concacaf and the symbiotic relationship between Warner and former close pal turned whistle blower and general secretary of the Confederation, Chuck Blazer.

Financial records and other Concacaf documents obtained by this newspaper show that the Centre of Excellence was listed as an asset on Concacafs books by the Warner-hired auditor, Kenny Rampersad of 3A Queens Park West, Port of Spain.

In the audited financial statements for 2010, presented at the May 2011 congress in Miami Beach, Rampersad lists the Centre of Excellence as a fixed asset on the Confederations balance sheet. His note to the account, however, Note 5 describes the asset as "freehold property," which implies ownership of both land and building. Property record searches show that Warner has legal title to the three parcels of land on which the buildings known as the Centre of Excellence sits.

Further in his audit report, in the Notes to Financial Statements, the Warner-hired accountant says this is in relation to freehold property: "Amortisation of freehold property refers to the freehold property that houses the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence. It has been computed at two per cent of historical cost."

A financial expert told the Express that amortisation is more appropriately used to describe leasehold property. Concacaf insiders say that all of the Rampersad audited statements have the Centre of Excellence listed as a fixed asset on the accounts.

The audited statements also show steady US dollar cash flows going into the Warner-run Centre of Excellence. In Note 9 of the 2010 accounts, under the heading "Member Services", Concacaf paid out US$578,608 to the Centre of Excellence for what is described as "courses". The previous year, Concacaf paid out US$650,738.

In 1999, the Centre of Excellence raked in US$1,415,388 from Concacaf for courses run at the Centre of Excellence. In 2001, the figure was US$2,291,762. And while Concacafs books reflect ownership of the Trinidad asset, there was no income stream from the sporting facility managed by its former president and landowner of the Macoya sporting facility.

Revenues for trade shows, concerts, weddings and other events held at the Centre of Excellence stayed with the Centre of Excellence, according to Concacafs records. When BDO started its investigation into Concacafs muddled finances last June, it discovered that the Confederations former president had taken an unauthorised mortgage on the Trinidad property in June 2007. The First Citizens bank charge is secured by the propertyi.e. land and building.

Jack Austin Warner signed the bank charge as a director of both CCAM and Renraw Investments. His secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste, signed as secretary to the two Warner companies. In making the Confederation a party to what BDO say is an unauthorised mortgage, Warner used his authority as president of the football body to sign an $11 million bank charge.

He had Lisle Austin, the vice president Caribbean Concacaf, co-sign the mortgage agreement but Austin, in an interview with the Express, said he did not see the preceding pages of the document he signed and did not understand what he signed in Warners Concacaf office at 113 Edward Street in Port of Spain to be a mortgage document. He said he was duped by Warner.

The mortgage also speaks to a Concacaf board resolution but persons familiar with the situation say the board had no knowledge of the $11 million mortgage charge created by its former president who has refused to answer questions about anything.

Rampersad, Jacks main accountant of choice, also played a key role in another Concacaf mortgage charge drawn up in 1998 in favour of First Citizens. And while this one had the approval of Concacafs board, Rampersad signed as company secretary to two Warner companiesCCAM and Renrawwhich hold beneficial interests in the land on which the Centre of Excellence sits.

At the time of signing, however, Warner's son Daryan was the secretary of the two private corporations, according to records at the Registrar of Companies. Rampersad was never company secretary of either of the two companies.

In a brief phone conversation with the Express, Rampersad said if his signature is there, "then it means I signed in some capacity or the other". Told that he was not the company secretary on record at the time, he said:"I really cant remember. I stopped doing work for Centre of Excellence." He declined further comment.

Warner also received monthly US$25,000 cheque payments from Concacaf for rent of the Confederations Trinidad office which was situated in his building at 113 Edward Street.

He acquired the property in 1997 for $875,000. The national football federation was also paying rent for the other side of the same building which stretched across to Dundonald Street. TTFF was said to be paying about $40,000 a month.
 
Part IV continues on Sunday with a look at Warners interlocking relationships.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 17, 2013, 02:02:10 AM
d man aint name Jack by coincidence....he know how tuh play d deck....

watch meh....dat man have real vision...yuh think he get into politics just so..he done know when d authorities come for he...dem cant do nuttin till he out of govt....and another party win....

Calculated yes....visionary yes....give him dat he have real balls....

I sure he still have more trump in dat deck...
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Richard G. on April 17, 2013, 02:09:54 AM
Many 'Trumps' have been trumped by the US Gov't and the FBI.

Dangerous game with dire consequences. Jamaica tried the same game and lost with great embarrassment.

Blessings and enjoy the morning.
Richard G.
Title: Re: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jah Gol on April 17, 2013, 04:38:51 AM
d man aint name Jack by coincidence....he know how tuh play d deck....

watch meh....dat man have real vision...yuh think he get into politics just so..he done know when d authorities come for he...dem cant do nuttin till he out of govt....and another party win....

Calculated yes....visionary yes....give him dat he have real balls....

I sure he still have more trump in dat deck...
Only in Trinidad is dishonesty viewed as a craft worthy of admiration.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 17, 2013, 05:38:09 AM
Only in Trinidad is dishonesty viewed as a craft worthy of admiration.

JahGol I not for ah moment condoning what d fella doe...but yuh cannot stop and not take note..how this man...pull this off...

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jah Gol on April 17, 2013, 05:43:56 AM
Clearly it wasn't that hard.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 17, 2013, 05:48:56 AM
well it was well orchestrated and he kept his Group of trusted men around him......would love tuh see d Express do ah Investigative Report on Camps Bank accounts.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Sam on April 17, 2013, 06:24:23 AM
De T&T Express have belly !! ah cah believe they writing about Warner.

Lasana quiet these days...

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 17, 2013, 06:40:11 AM
De T&T Express have belly !! ah cah believe they writing about Warner.

Lasana quiet these days...



As I mentioned before, mainly Carmini has brought together the information thats been out there for years and put it into one story. Remember much of this was uncovered by Lasana. The CoE ownership revelations were his, for instance. So Lasana can't print most of this as its old news (in fact, I believe he's still being sued by Warner for some of this stuff!)

The great value in Carmini's work is that once you put it all together in one place, you realise just how much Jack is involved with. I mean, has anyone been keeping count? US$30k per month here, $100 million there, US$40,000 here, pretty soon you're talking about serious money.

It will be interesting to see her story on Sunday, but by then she may be scooped by events in Panama. If Webb went through the CONCACAF accounts the way Townley and them went through the TTFF accounts, Fridays media brief on the forensic audit should be very interesting. 
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jack Horner on April 17, 2013, 07:31:14 AM
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.

Jack is here to stay.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Deeks on April 17, 2013, 07:47:00 AM
Aye, Aye, Horner, you ketch your bret!!!!!
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 17, 2013, 07:57:07 AM
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.

Jack is here to stay.



yuh fraid  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Brownsugar on April 17, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.

Jack is here to stay.



yuh fraid  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Dey let the animals back out.....
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: E-man on April 17, 2013, 10:16:12 AM
Let them talk my friend as they have been doing for the past 7 years.

Jack is here to stay.



yuh fraid  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Dey let the animals back out.....

I love this forum
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: diamondtrim on April 17, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
I want to say so much, but.....................
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: truetrini on April 17, 2013, 11:25:59 AM
well it was well orchestrated and he kept his Group of trusted men around him......would love tuh see d Express do ah Investigative Report on Camps Bank accounts.

There was a time you wanted to give him the nation's highest award.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Andre on April 17, 2013, 12:26:28 PM
a croation tief it.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/17/croatian-club-sack-manager-for-stealing-players-credit-card-to-buy-jagermeister-3619997/
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 18, 2013, 02:48:07 AM
There was a time you wanted to give him the nation's highest award.

Well for d amount of years ah know you sawing away at Jack BIG balls...ah feel ah goe have tuh ask Sat tuh personally present yuh with d TriMURTI .... ;D
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Bakes on April 18, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
(http://www.reuters.com/resources_v2/images/masthead-logo.gif)

Cash probe details to be revealed at CONCACAF congress

By Simon Evans

PANAMA CITY, April 18 (Reuters) -

A detailed account of serious financial mismanagement within CONCACAF, the governing body for soccer in North and Central America and the Caribbean will be presented to the sport's leaders on Friday.

CONCACAF's congress will hear a breakdown of the 'forensic audit' that was ordered by president Jeffrey Webb, who succeeded long-time leader Jack Warner after he quit following a cash for votes scandal in 2011.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter will attend Friday's congress along with secretary general Jerome Valcke and delegates from 40 member nations.

CONCACAF's executive committee met on Thursday for five hours with members declining to talk afterwards about the contents of the audit.

However five separate congress delegates who claimed knowledge of the report's contents but who declined to speak on the record, all indicated to Reuters there were serious cases of financial malpractice detailed.

"It's bad, it's very bad," said one delegate who confirmed the report contained further details on the disputed ownership of the $22.5m Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence in Trinidad.

At last year's congress in Budapest, held in conjunction with world governing body FIFA's, delegates were told that CONCACAF did not legally own the centre, as all its members had thought, but that two companies owned by Warner had ownership.

Warner, a former FIFA vice-president and minister in the government of Trinidad and Tobago, stood down from all positions in the game thus avoiding a FIFA Ethics Commission inquiry relating to bribery allegations surrounding the FIFA presidential election.

Long term general secretary American Chuck Blazer, who turned against Warner and made public allegations of corruption against him and other Caribbean officials, also quit his position in December 2011 and is no longer employed by CONCACAF.

Since at least the summer of 2011, the FBI has been examining more than $500,000 in payments made by the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) over the past 20 years to an offshore company headed by Blazer during a time when Warner was also head of the CFU, a position he held from the early 1980s until 2011.
The precise reasons for many of those payments is unclear. In 2011, Blazer said the payments were meant to be repayments to him by Warner of "a significant amount of money" which Blazer said he loaned to Warner in 2004. Warner has told the media in Trinidad the payments were above board.

A law enforcement source told Reuters last month that Warner's son Daryan was a "cooperating witness" in the investigation.

The U.S.'s Internal Revenue Service has joined in the CONCACAF probe, which is looking into potential violations of U.S. tax and anti-fraud statutes, law enforcement sources told Reuters last month.
The allegations against Warner, who is Minister of National Security in Port of Spain, are creating political heat in Trinidad and Tobago.

The country's opposition leader Keith Rowley has filed a motion in the Parliament questioning the failure of prime minister Kamla Persad Bissessar to deal with the controversies.

"Those international stories on Mr. Warner are making us look like the most corrupted country on the face of the earth, are sullying our reputation and yet we have a prime minister who does nothing about Warner," Rowley, the leader of the People's National Movement told Reuters.

Local media investigations in Trinidad have also made allegations of internal financial wrongdoing by Warner while he was a 'special advisor' to the country's Football Association.
Warner has frequently denied any malpractice.

Friday's congress will also vote on a new member of FIFA's executive committee to replace Blazer with U.S. Soccer chief Sunil Gulati and Mexican Football Federation president Justino Compean competing for the spot.

Several delegates said the vote was likely to be extremely tight.
(Reporting By Simon Evans in Panama City and Linda Hutchinson-Jafar in Port of Spain; Editing by Greg Stutchbury)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-soccer-concacaf-idUSBRE93I01F20130419
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: trini_stallion on April 19, 2013, 03:16:07 AM
Ah hope jack hang he hat where he cant reach...or is this anoth ish/steve/hart typea deal...
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Jack Horner on April 19, 2013, 04:30:27 AM
Govt backs Jack
Friday, April 19 2013
The Trinidad Newsday.

THE Government continues to support National Security Minister Jack Warner.

At yesterdays post-Cabinet news conference at the Office of the Prime Minister, Communications Minister Jamal Mohammed reiterated: the Minister of National Security, Mr Jack Warner, enjoys the full support of every single member of the Cabinet.

We stand firmly behind Minister Warner. He is one of the most hardworking ministers in our Cabinet and we wish more people had that work ethic like Mr Warner, Mohammed declared. He said no matter involving Warner was discussed yesterday by Cabinet, but Warner discussed security issues in the wake of the Boston bombings.

On Tuesday, Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley said he filed a private motion in the House of Representatives which calls on Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to take action to protect the image and interest of the people of Trinidad and Tobago which are consistently being damaged by the actions and business of the Minister of National Security. The motion will be debated in the House on April 26.

In his motion, Rowley said Warner and his business partners, which include members of his family, have been linked to, or associated with a number of investigations into alleged misconduct and/or alleged criminal offences, both locally and internationally, which have attracted both locally and internationally. He said Warners public utterances have been the subject of widespread adverse commentary, censure and adverse inferences, both locally and internationally.

Against this background, Rowley wants the House to express its disapproval of the refusal of the Prime Minister to take appropriate action regarding matters concerning Warner.

Persad-Bissessar, who is currently in Washington DC, instructed Attorney General Anand Ramlogan to write US Attorney General Eric Holder Jr to seek clarification on a Reuters story which claimed that Warners son Daryan is a cooperating witness in an FBI investigation into alleged corruption in international football. To date, Ramlogan has not received of any reply from Holder.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 19, 2013, 05:07:09 AM
All will be revealed Horner yuh ready boy? :)
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Football supporter on April 19, 2013, 06:05:43 AM
Its been seven long years, but I feel that the annoying little mosquito named 2006 Soca Warriors, which couldn't simply be flicked away or stamped on, which consistently bit those tender places and caused constant irritations, who created tiny open sores which were never respected, will be shown today to have inflicted malaria upon its target, and that malaria, from the pathetic little mosquito, will lead to all kinds of serious complications which will see the demise of the victim.

I don't know exactly what the next step will be, but I feel today will seriously escalate Mr Warner's problems.
Title: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: Jack Horner on April 19, 2013, 11:16:42 AM
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money. He wanted to put his black people in power and Blatter did not like it.

2. He is the acting Prime Minister.

3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He is fixing all the roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he is helping modernise T&T and people getting work to.

4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they owe Jack and Jack know their secrets. Sepp Blatter have to play it out to fool the public.

5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.

6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.

7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.

8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T. No other Caribbean countries have done that.

9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority, off course the oposition will not like him because they are oppositions. They cannot and no other current minister in T&T can outshine him.

10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.

The list can go on and on.

One day the world will see what Jack has done.

Why all the hate guys?

Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2013, 11:29:52 AM
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money.

2. He is the acting Prime Minister.

3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He fixing all thwe roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he helping mordanise T&T and people getting work to.

4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they own Jack and Jack know their secerets.

5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.

6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.

7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.

8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T.

9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority.

10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.

The list can go on and on.

Why all the hate guys?




1. He is a crook
2 He is an ugly crook
3 A tie tounge crook
4. He is a capital k crook
5 He is a crook witout remourse
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC
7 He is not only a crook he is a bully as well
8 He is FIFA biggest crook
9 He is the biggest crook in this govt and this govt have nuff crook
10 He is a crook who cyah travel
11. All crooks will one day be found out. Jack your Waterloo is coming.

The list can go on and on.

Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: D.H.W on April 19, 2013, 11:48:37 AM
Stop with the silly threads Nah. I know you frighten for yuh boy today
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: socalion on April 19, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
Jack horner with all yuh assness!! is 10 yuh magic number??  well yuh better take note the laundry lists against yuh pardner jack warner stretch beyond the magic # 10 .....for his misdeeds  he has alot to account for don't panic jack horner .. don't panic
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2013, 12:12:52 PM
Eurosport.com
Warner, Blazer "fraudulent" in CONCACAF management-report chief
Posted on 20/04/2013 at 01:20, updated on 20/04/2013 at 01:25
CONCACAF's former leaders Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer were "fraudulent in their management" of the confederation's affairs, the head of the body's Integrity Committee told its congress on Friday.
David Simmons presented a detailed report into allegations of financial mismanagement by former president Warner and ex-general secretary Blazer based on documents and interviews with 38 people.

Simmons began his address to the congress, including FIFA president Sepp Blatter, by highlighting the case of the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence in Port of Spain, in Warner's native Trinidad.

The committee reported that the Centre in which CONCACAF invested at least $25.9 million, some of which included loans from world soccer's governing body FIFA, was built on land owned by Warner privately and not the confederation.

"Warner represented to FIFA that funds would be used to support development but never told FIFA that Centre would be situated on land owned by his companies," said Simmons.

"There is no evidence that Warner or anyone else ever disclosed to the CONCACAF executive committee or congress that lands on which the Centre was built was owned by his companies," he said.

Simmons said that in deals surrounding the Centre, Warner "deceived persons and organisations" into believing the facility was CONCACAF's and not his.

Former Barbados chief justice Simmons said that neither Warner nor Blazer cooperated with the investigation.

Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: benedicts bwoy on April 19, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money.

2. He is the acting Prime Minister.

3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He fixing all thwe roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he helping mordanise T&T and people getting work to.

4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they own Jack and Jack know their secerets.

5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.

6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.

7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.

8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T.

9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority.

10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.

The list can go on and on.

Why all the hate guys?




1. He is a crook
2 He is an ugly crook
3 A tie tounge crook
4. He is a capital k crook
5 He is a crook witout remourse
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC
7 He is not only a crook he is a bully as well
8 He is FIFA biggest crook
9 He is the biggest crook in this govt and this govt have nuff crook
10 He is a crook who cyah travel
11. All crooks will one day be found out. Jack your Waterloo is coming.

The list can go on and on.


Dammmmmm! All yuh good boy  :rotfl:
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 19, 2013, 02:40:35 PM
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC

13.  The other 10 liked being robbed.  Ah hope they at least asked that vaseline be utilised.....
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: vb on April 19, 2013, 03:01:19 PM
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money.

2. He is the acting Prime Minister.

3. He is the best and most hard working Minister in T&T. He fixing all thwe roads in T&T, even if people do not like him, he helping mordanise T&T and people getting work to.

4. He is untouchable. Believe all the news you hear but nothing will come of it because they own Jack and Jack know their secerets.

5. He spent millions on T&T football and Caribbean too. And now he is helping basket ball players.

6. He got Concacaf more World Cup spots.

7. He built 4 top Stadiums in T&T plus the Marvin Lee Stadium.

8. He hosted two youth World Cups in T&T.

9. He won his seat in election by a landslid. They love him in T&T, the majority.

10. He helped every footballer in T&T when they were facing hard times, even in death, he helped them. Marvin Lee, David Nakhid, etc.

The list can go on and on.

Why all the hate guys?




1. He is a crook
2 He is an ugly crook
3 A tie tounge crook
4. He is a capital k crook
5 He is a crook witout remourse
6 He is a crook who steal from 23 young men who represented this country at the 2006 WC
7 He is not only a crook he is a bully as well
8 He is FIFA biggest crook
9 He is the biggest crook in this govt and this govt have nuff crook
10 He is a crook who cyah travel
11. All crooks will one day be found out. Jack your Waterloo is coming.

The list can go on and on.



 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ;D ;D
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: socalion on April 19, 2013, 03:12:24 PM
brownsugar  yuh ent easy  :rotfl:
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Sam on April 19, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
How Warner duped FIFA, Concacaf into believing they owned the $144m Centre of Excellence.
Part III of a Special Investigation Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express).


THE GREAT DECEPTION

For over a decade, football power broker Jack Austin Warner hid a US$22.5 million asset in plain sight on the balance sheet of footballs ruling body for North and Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf) of which he was president.

And for just as long, Warner was collecting hundreds of thousands of US dollars in member services and building maintenance fees from Concacaf for an assetthe Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellencethat many in FIFA, footballs world governing body, and Concacaf considered to be the crown jewel of the regional football federation.

The only wrinkle in this long standing arrangement between the football confederation and its ex-president of two decades is ownership of the asset.

Persons familiar with the situation told the Express that FIFA and Concacaf were duped by its ex-top official Warner into thinking that the regional football body owned the sprawling 16.9 acre sporting complex complete with artificial turf ground and 33-room hotel.

The land on which the US$22.5 million FIFA-Concacaf built and paid-for facility sits on, is owned by Jack Warner and two of his private corporations, CCAM and Co Ltd and Renraw Investments Ltd.

The Warner deception was discovered last June by Cayman banker and new Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb who retained the global law firm of Sidley Austin LLP and audit and consulting firm BDO to conduct a forensic audit into Concacafs finances.

At a news conference in New York last September, Webb said the Confederations executive committee had agreed to give investigators more time. "This audit is a massive undertaking that will set our financial house straight and ensure that Concacafs operations are executed in a responsible and ethical manner," he said.

Chairman of Concacafs Integrity Committee, Sir David Simmons, a former chief justice of Barbados, will reveal the findings of the forensic audit first to delegates of the Confederations annual congress in Panama City tomorrow and then to the international media on Friday.

The question of whether the Confederation should go after its former boss in relation to the loss of a valuable assetthe Centre of Excellence will be put to the floor for a vote tomorrow, according to Concacaf insiders. Also headed for discussion is whether the Confederation should extend its forensic investigation to Port of Spain, specifically, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) of which Warner was special adviser up until 2011, said one source.

The annual congress will also deliberate on whether the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) of which Warner was also president should be added to the laundry list of Warner-associated football bodies to be investigated. Reuters had reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and US tax authorities are already on the CFU case.

How was Warner able to dupe FIFA and the Confederation on the ownership of a US$22.5 million asset for so long? Insiders say the answer lies with the lack of a proper governance structure inside the Warner-controlled Concacaf and the symbiotic relationship between Warner and former close pal turned whistle blower and general secretary of the Confederation, Chuck Blazer.

Financial records and other Concacaf documents obtained by this newspaper show that the Centre of Excellence was listed as an asset on Concacafs books by the Warner-hired auditor, Kenny Rampersad of 3A Queens Park West, Port of Spain.

In the audited financial statements for 2010, presented at the May 2011 congress in Miami Beach, Rampersad lists the Centre of Excellence as a fixed asset on the Confederations balance sheet. His note to the account, however, Note 5 describes the asset as "freehold property," which implies ownership of both land and building. Property record searches show that Warner has legal title to the three parcels of land on which the buildings known as the Centre of Excellence sits.

Further in his audit report, in the Notes to Financial Statements, the Warner-hired accountant says this is in relation to freehold property: "Amortisation of freehold property refers to the freehold property that houses the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence. It has been computed at two per cent of historical cost."

A financial expert told the Express that amortisation is more appropriately used to describe leasehold property. Concacaf insiders say that all of the Rampersad audited statements have the Centre of Excellence listed as a fixed asset on the accounts.

The audited statements also show steady US dollar cash flows going into the Warner-run Centre of Excellence. In Note 9 of the 2010 accounts, under the heading "Member Services", Concacaf paid out US$578,608 to the Centre of Excellence for what is described as "courses". The previous year, Concacaf paid out US$650,738.

In 1999, the Centre of Excellence raked in US$1,415,388 from Concacaf for courses run at the Centre of Excellence. In 2001, the figure was US$2,291,762. And while Concacafs books reflect ownership of the Trinidad asset, there was no income stream from the sporting facility managed by its former president and landowner of the Macoya sporting facility.

Revenues for trade shows, concerts, weddings and other events held at the Centre of Excellence stayed with the Centre of Excellence, according to Concacafs records. When BDO started its investigation into Concacafs muddled finances last June, it discovered that the Confederations former president had taken an unauthorised mortgage on the Trinidad property in June 2007. The First Citizens bank charge is secured by the propertyi.e. land and building.

Jack Austin Warner signed the bank charge as a director of both CCAM and Renraw Investments. His secretary of long standing, Patricia Modeste, signed as secretary to the two Warner companies. In making the Confederation a party to what BDO say is an unauthorised mortgage, Warner used his authority as president of the football body to sign an $11 million bank charge.

He had Lisle Austin, the vice president Caribbean Concacaf, co-sign the mortgage agreement but Austin, in an interview with the Express, said he did not see the preceding pages of the document he signed and did not understand what he signed in Warners Concacaf office at 113 Edward Street in Port of Spain to be a mortgage document. He said he was duped by Warner.

The mortgage also speaks to a Concacaf board resolution but persons familiar with the situation say the board had no knowledge of the $11 million mortgage charge created by its former president who has refused to answer questions about anything.

Rampersad, Jacks main accountant of choice, also played a key role in another Concacaf mortgage charge drawn up in 1998 in favour of First Citizens. And while this one had the approval of Concacafs board, Rampersad signed as company secretary to two Warner companiesCCAM and Renrawwhich hold beneficial interests in the land on which the Centre of Excellence sits.

At the time of signing, however, Warner's son Daryan was the secretary of the two private corporations, according to records at the Registrar of Companies. Rampersad was never company secretary of either of the two companies.

In a brief phone conversation with the Express, Rampersad said if his signature is there, "then it means I signed in some capacity or the other". Told that he was not the company secretary on record at the time, he said:"I really cant remember. I stopped doing work for Centre of Excellence." He declined further comment.

Warner also received monthly US$25,000 cheque payments from Concacaf for rent of the Confederations Trinidad office which was situated in his building at 113 Edward Street.

He acquired the property in 1997 for $875,000. The national football federation was also paying rent for the other side of the same building which stretched across to Dundonald Street. TTFF was said to be paying about $40,000 a month.
 
Part IV continues on Sunday with a look at Warners interlocking relationships.



Well Jack Warner happen to be a very smart man to do this.

He fool up the whole of FIFA for years making them believe they owned the $144m Centre of Excellence.

This man deserve to get a noble prize.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Deeks on April 19, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
This man deserve to get a IGnoble prize.
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: Deeks on April 19, 2013, 06:10:16 PM
1. He is the richest man in T&T. He do not need FIFA money. He wanted to put his black people in power and Blatter did not like it.

What! i did not know your father have more money than Nicholas and Sabga!!!! So childish. "my daddy have more hear on he chest.."
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: Jack Horner on April 19, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
Mr weary1969, why not post here a picture of yourself and see who is really ugly.

Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: coache on April 19, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
I give it 1969....Horner yuh eh able...
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: coache on April 19, 2013, 06:17:17 PM
Allyuh eh easy on dis forum... :rotfl:
Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: Football supporter on April 19, 2013, 07:19:10 PM
Mr weary1969, why not post here a picture of yourself and see who is really ugly.



Horner, at least SHE can tell the difference between a man and a woman. You must be a scary guy to lime with on the Avenue  :rotfl:
Title: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: truetrini on April 19, 2013, 09:55:02 PM
Jack dimisses Concacaf probe.
T&T Guardian Reports.


PM STUNNED

A defiant National Security Minister Jack Warner last night dismissed the findings of a Concacaf probe into his former tenure in the organisation yesterday, saying it was baseless and malicious.

However, even in the face of Warners stance, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said she was stunned by the contents of the report and if the allegations prove true, she would make a decision on Warners status in her Cabinet.
 
In a press release last evening, Warner said he had not had time to read the full report which detailed the allegations against him, and which was presented by Sir David Simmons at a Concacaf congress in Panama yesterday.

The report found Warner did not disclose to Concacaf, which represents soccer in North and Central America and the Caribbean, or world governing body Fifa that the US$25.9 million Centre of Excellence in Macoya was built on land owned by his companies.
 
However, noting he had turned his back on football two years ago and has had no interest in any football-related matter since then, Warner said: Concacafs report today is of no concern to me and as far as I am aware it is baseless and malicious.

Concacaf lawyers have been in communication for several months with my lawyers who have instructions in this matter, he said. I am advised that the matter is a contractual matter for which my lawyers are dealing with. separate and apart from any Concacaf-organised committee.
 
Dealing specifically about allegations that the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence was owned by him and not Concacaf, Warner said: It does seem ironical that Concacaf had been paying rent for a property all these years which, according to them, belonged to Concacaf.

In addition, it is also alarming that Fifa would invest in a property that is neither owned by them, Concacaf, or the local football body in clear violation of their statutes, inclusive of goal statutes and regulations.
 
Warner noted that although Simmons interviewed 38 people, he did not speak to Havelange (former president of Fifa) himself. He said he was sure Havelange would have been able to enlighten them.

Finally, if after 20 years of being the president of Concacaf all its committee could have found is some baseless claim against me involving the Centre of Excellence, then I will continue to sleep very soundly at nights, he said.
 
Speaking to CNC3 from last night from Washington, where she is on Government business, Persad-Bissessar admitted to being shocked by the reports revelations. She said the report told a tale of a tragic scenario, adding if the allegations were true, I have action to take.

The PM said, however, she would like to see the report before making any final judgment. Natural justice demands that I see the report first, she said.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: truetrini on April 19, 2013, 09:56:05 PM
Rowley: PM has no choice but to act now.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley says Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar has no other option but to fire National Security Minister Jack Warner, after yesterdays report by the head of the Concacaf's Integrity Committee Sir David Simmons.

Simmons, a former Chief Justice of Barbados, told yesterdays Concacaf Congress in Panama that the bodys former leaders, Warner and Chuck Blazer, were fraudulent in their management of the regions football body.
 
Rowley spoke about the development with reporters after yesterdays early adjournment of the House of Representatives at 4.30 pm. He said Persad-Bissessar must act to protect the integrity of the Cabinet. Mr Warner cannot continue to serve as a minister of government...The Prime Minister can no longer hide from this issue, he said. Rowley said because of the weight of the allegations against Warner, the PM has no reason to provide refuge for a person in that situation.
 
For the second time in recent weeks, Rowley said Persad-Bissessar has been protecting Warner because she is afraid to act as required under reasonable circumstances. He said the PMs inaction was due to fear of what Warner could do to her political career, but noted the situation was detrimental to the interest of the people of T&T.
 
Rowley said it was not a matter of individuals but one of protecting the institution of the Cabinet and the people of T&T. He also said a comment by Communications Minister Jamal Mohammed that the entire Cabinet stood firmly behind Warner was quite depressing, because it clearly shows that there is nobody in the Cabinet who stands for the values the population expects from a functioning Cabinet.
 
The allegations against Warner, he said, have been getting from bad to worse and the Prime Minister cannot pretend she does not know about the issue as it was in the public domain. Rowley said Warner was also putting the Prime Minister in a spot when he said he was not moving.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: FF on April 19, 2013, 10:01:34 PM
This man arrogant and boldfaced right down to de wire... he is a sociopath!

Imagine he claiming innocence because CONCACAF was paying rent to him for the Center of Excellence all these years, when that was clearly part of the racket.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Bakes on April 19, 2013, 10:21:27 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: AB.Trini on April 19, 2013, 10:38:54 PM
I  don't understand why the opposition should take any action that would  result in the government emerging as a stronger entity?

Does anyone know if there are any powers which the president could invoke to dismantle  the government or to force an election?

How many more examples of alleged incompetence, mismanagement and inefficiency do we need to be subjected to before  decisive actions occur? Who holds the government accountable?

methinks the element  a soap opera is unraveling before our eyes.  the Machiavellian villain the drama queen- full of melodrama the many dupes who  suffered the slings and fury of this farcical plot,  How will it end...stay tuned for another episode of Our World or as our stomach turns.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on April 19, 2013, 10:53:19 PM
13 citizens of your country come out and beg for your help and you dismiss them as stupid. One foreigner come out with evidence about your boy jackarse, who by the way is hiding under your dress, and you are stunned. You pulling my nuts.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: davidephraim on April 19, 2013, 11:15:48 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

Kamla & Jack do make a formidable political pair, dont they?  The PNM gotta try something!  Think they need to find a Young Patrick and start grooming him or her in the interim. Until then, ah predicting a Kamla-led victory. 
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Football supporter on April 19, 2013, 11:32:23 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

Is there a situation where a sitting MP can be removed if he is charged with committing an illegal act? Well, thinking about it as I'm writing, I guess if he was honorable he would temporarily remove himself or, if asked by his constituency office or his party, resign. I imagine he can only forcibly be removed if he's found guilty.

Where there may be a problem is the clear separation between COP and UNC over Warner. If COP finally have enough, maybe they would go tactical and vote against the UNC led government in a no confidence vote in the hope of winning the UNC seats in an election and forming a PNM coalition. 
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: socalion on April 19, 2013, 11:45:17 PM
 madam prime why are you stunned at the revelations  of your so -called hardest working  minister???? what's most stunning is your own denial and unwilling to take corrective steps and  measures to rid ur administration of individuals like jack warner .... what more proofs do you wish for or want to see .????... the report and findings clearly state as was reported , your beloved  comrade and national security minister is shady to say the least .. shameless and  boldfaced too !!!..... like this man has something over you or what eh  madam prime minister?? enquiring minds want to know!!!
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2013, 11:47:51 PM
Yuh sure yuh not stone as stone drunk. STEUPSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Jefferz on April 20, 2013, 12:47:10 AM
This man arrogant and boldfaced right down to de wire... he is a sociopath!

Imagine he claiming innocence because CONCACAF was paying rent to him for the Center of Excellence all these years, when that was clearly part of the racket.



bingo on sociopath.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: BBL on April 20, 2013, 02:32:16 AM
Did you guys see that Damien Hughes of the CFU wants to make the CFU more transparent, he wants to publish financial reports etc. He said that it's the first time results have been made public and that under Jack Warner, even members of the CFU couldn't see the financial results.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Flex on April 20, 2013, 04:01:48 AM
White collar thieves
By Mark Bassant Senior CCN Investigative Journalist in Panama City.


National Security Minister Jack Warner has been found to have committed fraud through which he enriched himself in his dealings in international football.

The finding by the Integrity Committee of Concacaf has come on the heels of a series of exclusive stories on Warners financial wheeling and dealings by head of the Express investigative desk, Camini Marajh.

Head of Concacafs integrity committee, Sir David Simmons, yesterday revealed the underhanded dealings and fraud committed by Warner,  former FIFA vice-president and Concacaf president, in his handling of the affairs of the regional football body.

Simmons, a former Barbados chief justice, disclosed that Warner and Chuck Blazer, former general secretary of Concacaf, were fraudulent in their management of  the Confederations activities and used their offices for personal gain.

According to a Reuters report, delegates responded angrily to the report with one describing Warner and American Blazer as white collar thieves.

In his 20-minute synopsis of the 113-page report into Concacafs finances under the leadership of Warner and Blazer, Simmons revealed the findings of a forensic audit into Concacaf finances based on documents and interviews with 38 people to the Concacaf XXVIII Congress in Panama.

Simmons outlined several areas his committee was appointed to investigate, which included:

Ownership of the US$25.9 million Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence at Macoya

An apartment in Trump Plaza

Whereabouts of funds generated from a contract between Concacaf and UMBROan English sportswear and football equipment supplier based in Manchester, England

Two apartments in Miami and a Hummer, a luxury SUV

Employment contract of former general secretary Blazer and the provisions of contract

Concacafs failure to pay taxes and file tax returns

Completeness and accuracy of Concacafs finances and audits.

Simmons told the Congress that neither Warner nor Blazer co-operated with the investigation and neither responded to queries by the Committee.

He said contact was only made with Warners accountant last week who promised to submit something in writing but never did.

Simmons said that as a result of this lack of co-operation, the Report was completed without responses to the Committees queries.

He said during their detailed investigation, the Integrity Committee obtained several documents and minutes from the FIFA executive and tried to get further evidence from the former FIFA president and  Concacaf Secretary, but they refused.

According to Simmons, investigations also centred on getting documents from external sources as well as obtaining help from the consulting firm BDO Forensic Accounting and oral evidence from witnesses.

When you read this report you will see the documents were most revealing and compelling, Simmons stated.

As to the ownership of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, based at Macoya, Tunapuna, Simmons said that in July 1995, Warner told the FIFA executive that the purpose of the centre was to help raise the quality of Concacaf soccer.

He added that the statutes of Concacaf did not authorise any real estate, and there was no evidence to show that Mr Warner sought or obtained the approval of the Congress of the executive committee for the construction of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence on lands in Trinidad.

In seeking to determine where the land came from, Simmons said, We examined the title deeds and found out the Centre of Excellence sits on three different parcels of lands owned by CCAN and Renraw Investments Ltd. These companies are owned by Warner and his family.

Simmons revealed that the lands were bought between March 15, 1996 and August 1998 by CCAN and Renraw, but this was never disclosed to the Congress.

We found no evidence that this was disclosed to the Congress that the centre was built on lands owned by Mr Warners company.

Simmons pointed to evidence of several bank accounts from which money was funnelled to finance the development of the Centre of Excellence, on which sits a 33-room hotel.

He added that between 1996-2006 Concacaf obtained US$25.95 million towards its construction.

According to Simmons, Mr Warner represented to FIFA that the funds were to develop and support the Centre of Excellencehe never told them it will be situated on lands owned by his company.

The investigations also revealed that six million francs in March 1997 was approved for borrowing by FIFA for Warner and was placed in a bank account controlled by Warner.

Simmons told the Congress FIFA gave an additional US$10 million to Warner who also obtained money from the Australians.

We also discovered FIFA funds were used to purchase parcel one and two, Simmons said.

He added, Mr Warner wrote FIFA giving an account on how he would use the funds  (US$643,000) but he failed to mention the land was purchased by his companies, or that the other two parcels of land  were paid for by FIFAs funds.

Further, he said, in 1998,  Concacafs name appeared in a mortgage deed as a borrower but the deeds were signed on behalf of Concacaf by vice-president of Concacaf Caribbean, Lisle Austin and Harold Taylor who were never authorised to sign.

Based on this, Simmons said it was a serious indictment on Warner that is liable to deceit and a breach of his fiduciary duties.

Mr Warner engaged in self dealing in which he probably got a secret profit, Simmons said.

Of paramount concern as well, Simmons said, was the operation of the controversial Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence. During 1996-2011 Concacaf paid US$11 million through routine monthly payments to support the operations of the centre and Warners office to the tune of some US$5.6 million  in 2011.

This, he said, was sent by wire transfer to a First Citizens account controlled by Warner but Simmons revealed that the Integrity Committee did not have access to those accounting records.

Warners auditor Kenny Rampersad was also found to be personally involved in Warners businesses.

According to Simmons, As a matter of public record Rampersad was on record as being authorised to act on behalf of Mr Warners company.

Rampersad acted as an accountant for Concacaf  in Warners TT based operations and the Report revealed that when Concacaf got approval for the $6 million francs loan from Switzerland, Rampersad signed on behalf of the Centre of Excellence. Rampersad was also the accountant for Blazer.

Simmons described  Rampersads audit to the Committee, as badly flawed.   

This is a sad and sorry tale in the life of Concacaf, a tale of abuse and position of power when persons who assisted in bringing the organisation profitability, enriched themselves at the expense of  their own organisation, Simmons said.

He told members there are lessons to be learnt when you read through the 113 page report: Read, mark, learn and inwardly digest the ramifications of the tragic experiences that made the investigation a historic necessity.

Several of the members later questioned the Integrity Committee and Simmons said several jurisdictions were involved in this investigation and there was no limitation to the fraud.

Concacaf president Jeffrey Webb said that based on the report, a task force will be formed to look into it further.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: concerned on April 20, 2013, 05:26:57 AM
How embarrassing for the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago! This not done as yet, more fireworks to come, and even more embarrassment internationally for Trinidad and Tobago....
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on April 20, 2013, 05:30:31 AM
What else she need to see. They practically layout everything for you Kamla. How many people must show you the same thing
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: socalion on April 20, 2013, 06:38:36 AM
 what a shameless bunch !! i suppose  the next thing,  prime minister kamla  waiting to see is the eventual outcome of the FBI/IRS probe .. before any action is taken .. anyways kamla a nation is paying close attention...keep that in mind..
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: sjahrain on April 20, 2013, 06:55:25 AM
She will wait until the US asks to hand him over
Then hell open up and all the cockroaches will go down together
Title: Wheres the evidence against Jack?
Post by: Tallman on April 20, 2013, 02:41:50 PM
Wheres the evidence against Jack?
T&T Express Letter


While I hold no brief for National Security Minister Jack Warner, he is held in esteem by some as one of the hardest working ministers ever, and others as a modern day Robin Hood for the good he has done.

Mr Warner has never been charged with any fraud or misappropriation of funds. At present, there is no charge, no police investigation, no parliamentary enquiry, no Integrity Commission enquiry.

There will never be any charge unless there is political will and incontrovertible proof is provided by way of unaccounted funds backed up by audited accounts for every entity to which he is responsible. In the absence of this, everything is just dust in the wind, and Mr Warner knows this; that is why he is not worried.

In his official capacity as part of several governing bodies, Mr Warner was entitled to legitimate funding, this together with his many business interests and enterprises and personal accounts, it is well nigh impossible to obtain any money trail, to prove fraud, not even talking about getting information legally.

Mr Warner has achieved the distinction of becoming a world figure. That puts him among the elite, the people who run the world; that means the rule-makers can be rule-breakers. The kind of privilege and immunity these people have is unbelievable. Its just the reality of the world we live in, much like the CLICO debacle. You can run an insurance company like a bankyou can lend, acquire holdings or be illiquid to the tune of maybe $20 billion before you qualify for a bailout.

You can diversify legitimate business interests to such an extent, that a money trail can be impossible to obtain and yet be able to spin off private wealth.

My advice to Mr Warners detractors is: if you dont have incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing, dont waste your time and other peoples time.

Joel Quintal
San Fernando
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: boss on April 20, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.
Title: Re: Re: Wheres the evidence against Jack?
Post by: D.H.W on April 20, 2013, 03:05:23 PM
Wheres the evidence against Jack?
T&T Express Letter


While I hold no brief for National Security Minister Jack Warner, he is held in esteem by some as one of the hardest working ministers ever, and others as a modern day Robin Hood for the good he has done.

Mr Warner has never been charged with any fraud or misappropriation of funds. At present, there is no charge, no police investigation, no parliamentary enquiry, no Integrity Commission enquiry.

There will never be any charge unless there is political will and incontrovertible proof is provided by way of unaccounted funds backed up by audited accounts for every entity to which he is responsible. In the absence of this, everything is just dust in the wind, and Mr Warner knows this; that is why he is not worried.

In his official capacity as part of several governing bodies, Mr Warner was entitled to legitimate funding, this together with his many business interests and enterprises and personal accounts, it is well nigh impossible to obtain any money trail, to prove fraud, not even talking about getting information legally.

Mr Warner has achieved the distinction of becoming a world figure. That puts him among the elite, the people who run the world; that means the rule-makers can be rule-breakers. The kind of privilege and immunity these people have is unbelievable. Its just the reality of the world we live in, much like the CLICO debacle. You can run an insurance company like a bankyou can lend, acquire holdings or be illiquid to the tune of maybe $20 billion before you qualify for a bailout.

You can diversify legitimate business interests to such an extent, that a money trail can be impossible to obtain and yet be able to spin off private wealth.

My advice to Mr Warners detractors is: if you dont have incontrovertible evidence of wrongdoing, dont waste your time and other peoples time.

Joel Quintal
San Fernando


Man finding all kinda excuse lol
Title: Re: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on April 20, 2013, 03:06:06 PM
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

Warner can't prove his innocence because he is guilty.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: socalion on April 20, 2013, 03:42:42 PM
Jack Warner ....Ali baaba doh have nothing on you boy!!!  de more ah think about all yuh lies and deception, along with the amount ah money yuh tief , depriving de the nations youth team use of the centre of excellence before their departure for panama , not forgetting the money yuh deprive  dem poor haitian people in their most trying moments ( the victims of an earthquake) ..... yuh real fcking wicked .. doh worry jack warner yuh time will come....
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 20, 2013, 05:59:57 PM
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

LOUDDDD STEUPSSSS COP EAT ALL YUH FOOD AND HUSH
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Michael-j on April 20, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

Or else what, Prakash?...what you and your party gonna do if he doesn't?   ::)
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: weary1969 on April 20, 2013, 07:43:34 PM
From Richard Lord (Guardian) on Twitter:

(Prakash) Ramadhar: The time has come for the Minister of National Security, Jack Warner to exit this Government or be removed.

COP: When prior serious allegations were made by FIFA against the National Security Minister he had every opportunity to clear his name.

Or else what, Prakash?...what you and your party gonna do if he doesn't?   ::)

ENTTTTTT
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: asylumseeker on April 20, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:

1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)

It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.

The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Brownsugar on April 20, 2013, 08:05:08 PM
I agree.  The PNM already did that vote of no-confidence thing this term and it really doesn't get anyone anywhere.  The PNM should just focus on the LGE and the GE.....
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Peong on April 20, 2013, 08:47:50 PM
Get dem de fack out, JW and all those who stood by him.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: socalion on April 20, 2013, 10:06:55 PM
Prime minister Kamla persad  yuh still waiting for more information on jack warner ?????  Read the blasted express report .!! what more info yuh want again ???  now all hell breaking loose  ... the flood gates opening .. its clear now why yuh been  stubbornly  reluctant to act against yuh minister jack W...  lawd  the stench ah corruption allround.... it stinks
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:

1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)


It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.

The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.

Much of this means very little.  The "present path of persistent calls..." has yielded exactly what exactly?  What will be called into question that hasn't already been called into question with regards to Kamla and Warner?  How will the "present path" affect that character of governance and impunity as you call it?  Far from "political posturing" as you dismissively assess it... the COP seems poised to separate itself from the PP coalition, and if that were to happen it would reduce the PP's margin from 29 to 23 seats.  They would still have a majority but would lose the substantial leverage which they presently enjoy... and which contributes to the PM's intransigence and silence on Jack, and to the self-same character of governance and impunity.  The only risk is that the COP would continue to support Kamla and the coalition will emerge as strong, if not stronger than it is at present.  The upside is that it would force the government to the bargaining table with the Opposition, and force them to deal on more equitable terms.  Best case scenario, it would force a dissolution of the current administration.  Hardly the "political posturing" that you envision.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: lefty on April 20, 2013, 11:49:31 PM
bakes I made the point in  another thread that COP doesn't have six seats u feel anil leaving dat trough...who is d others besides PRAKASH,  DOOKS, KSB some MPs will follow d money an' power....if they don't I'll be pleasantly surprised..
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on April 21, 2013, 07:11:23 AM
Fraud all over

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Fraud-All-Over-203946541.html
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Bakes on April 21, 2013, 12:21:48 PM
bakes I made the point in  another thread that COP doesn't have six seats u feel anil leaving dat trough...who is d others besides PRAKASH,  DOOKS, KSB some MPs will follow d money an' power....if they don't I'll be pleasantly surprised..

Either way there is no downside to a motion of no-confidence... worse case scenario you end up right back where you started.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: truetrini on April 21, 2013, 12:36:32 PM
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point.  All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.

It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.

Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.

Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.

I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.

The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.   

2 years is a very long time in politics.  Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Socapro on April 21, 2013, 12:46:24 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

A vote of no-confidence is premature and while great for political posturing (and to some extent political theatre), no net electoral gain would accrue in benefit of the Opposition. The present path of persistent calls for the PM to act is the way forward because this calls into question three items:

1) the PM's leadership and decision-making generally and w/rpt Mr. Warner specifically
2) the character of governance and impunity (and tolerance for inappropriate conduct) under the PP
and
3) an open loop that can be strategically directed and driven with flexibility depending on how the situation unfolds (rather than the more limited options for the Opposition to frame the issue post no-confidence motion)

It's better that this issue percolate closer to the time at which the electorate naturally returns to the ballot. Despite our nuanced understanding of the issue here on the forum, the public-at-large still needs to be educated as to what all of this means. Dr. Rowley needs to focus on winning the war, not the skirmish. He should be in no rush to abbreviate the PM's term in office under her present mandate. His focus should be on not renewing the mandate.

The electorate wouldn't process a failed motion/vote for no-confidence with the same alacrity or discernment as which you are possessed. Indeed, a failed vote of no-confidence could haunt the PNM on the PP's (or whatever reconstituted electoral form the PP takes) election platform.
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Socapro on April 21, 2013, 12:49:34 PM
And exactly why is Kamla stunned? Does she not do a background check on the ministers?
Jack was one of the main financers of the PP's election campaign and they had a good idea where the money came from but did not care, getting into power by hook or crook was all that mattered!
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Socapro on April 21, 2013, 12:53:50 PM
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point.  All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.

It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.

Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.

Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.

I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.

The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.   

2 years is a very long time in politics.  Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.
:beermug:
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Bakes on April 21, 2013, 01:46:46 PM
Cannot agree with a Motion of No Confidence at this point.  All it will serve to do is rally the government's die hard base ointo showing their support.

It will fail and the desired effect and the PNM would be exactly where they started.

Keep the issues in the public domain, put unlentless pressure and hold up on a Motion of No Confidence.

Anil for sure is NOT going to leave the coalition and the rest(read that as the COP), even when posturing have always stayed put.

I see it as more advantageous in the long run to let them be.

The time will come to ask them the hard questions on why they stayed etc.   

2 years is a very long time in politics.  Even with defections etc. they will still hold at the very least 22 seats, enough to hold unto power.

How would it be "more advantageous in the long run"... that's what I'm having a hard time understanding.  Your (and Asylumseeker's) position seems to be that if the motion of no confidence fails that "hard questions" can't be asked going forward.  You talk about a failed motion "rally[ing] the government's base"... more than it already "rallied"?  And rallying that base would hurt the Opposition, how? Is not like that "base" was ever going to support the Opposition... and "base" doh matter in Parliamentary voting.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: truetrini on April 21, 2013, 02:23:51 PM
As I said. 2 years is a long time in politics, we already had one failed No Confidence Motion.   Shooting off all your bullets before the war has been declared is bad business.  Now Rowley and his PNM Executive may see things the way you do, but he had already scheduled a debate on Private Members Day this coming Friday to discuss NOT Jack but the PM's inability and reticence to deal with him.

In a mere matter of months Kamla defeated Panday and Manning...soundly.  Timing is essential, ask all the hard questions now and moving forward, but as we have seen the COP will talk a good talk but being Ministers and having the perks is a powerful motivating factor for them to remain in a government that remains strong despite all their mis-steps and malfeasance.

It would be prudent to await any potential fall out from this Jack bachannal too, and then capitalize on that.   

They have shown a propensity to go after each others throats in the past...as public discontent grows, they will have a go at each other to fulfil the lust for power.  That would be the ideal opportunity to call for that No Confidence Motion.

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Post by: Bourbon on April 21, 2013, 03:00:39 PM
Kamla eh letting go of office before time. Fact.

Best thing to do is let this play out to its end. Remind yes....but let them continue to try to plug the holes in the ship.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 03:14:08 PM
And exactly why is Kamla stunned? Does she not do a background check on the ministers?
Jack was one of the main financers of the PP's election campaign and they had a good idea where the money came from but did not care, getting into power by hook or crook was all that mattered!

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Post by: D.H.W on April 21, 2013, 03:54:47 PM
Golda Lee Bruce  (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)

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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
Golda Lee Bruce  (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)



Cat get this tie tongue. 
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Post by: Bourbon on April 21, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
Golda Lee Bruce  (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)



Cat get this tie tongue. 

Not really.

The meeting was to organise for Kams Birthday lime tomorrow.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 04:18:45 PM
Golda Lee Bruce  (@goldalee) tweeted at 5:35 PM on Sun, Apr 21, 2013:
Jack Warner leaves the meeting at the Prime Minister's residence. Does not speak to the media. @CNC3TV
(https://twitter.com/goldalee/status/326086882524028929)



Cat get this tie tongue. 

Not really.

The meeting was to organise for Kams Birthday lime tomorrow.

He gone to buy d gift.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
I feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)
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Post by: D.H.W on April 21, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
I feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)

Oh shit
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Post by: Tallman on April 21, 2013, 05:00:47 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/540707_10200945053930343_878762950_n.jpg)
Title: Football lessons for politics
Post by: Tallman on April 21, 2013, 05:19:10 PM
Football lessons for politics
By Sunity Maharaj (T&T Express)


While the big men at Concacaf get to it, we in Trinidad and Tobago have the much more daunting task of establishing what role FIFA and FIFA-influenced funds have played in the politics and government of this country.

Cornered by the explosive Concacaf report, on what basis will the United National Congress (UNC), its associates and their Government now separate themselves from Jack Warner given the extent to which they have been compromised by their dependence on him?

The resources that Warner brought to the UNC have everything to do, not only with his own spectacular rise in the UNC, but with the UNCs fortunes, especially since it lost control of the government in 2001.

That was the year President Arthur NR Robinson bad-mindedly broke the 18-18 electoral tie by awarding the government to the Peoples National Movement notwithstanding the larger number of votes won by the incumbent UNC.

History may eventually have another say, but for those of us who have lived through the period since, it remains in question whether the UNC would even exist today without Jack Warner.

Rattled by rift and demoralised by drift after 2001, the party that had won two successive general elections could hardly muster a decent showing in the 2003 local government elections, being driven back to the innermost core of its core constituencies in central and south Trinidad.

Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/12374-football-lessons-for-politics.html)
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Post by: boss on April 21, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
PM to address the media shortly...
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Post by: Socapro on April 21, 2013, 05:22:42 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/540707_10200945053930343_878762950_n.jpg)
And they were palancing for many years with CONCACAF money!
The JW & Blaze of soca have nothing on them!  :devil:
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Post by: truetrini on April 21, 2013, 05:29:46 PM
(http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt359/truetrini/NEWS_zps175a097c.jpg) (http://s627.photobucket.com/user/truetrini/media/NEWS_zps175a097c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: Socapro on April 21, 2013, 05:34:31 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/16/e6a4u9yz.jpg)
Just seeing this chart and it is so spot on!  :D
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/540707_10200945053930343_878762950_n.jpg)
And they were palancing for many years with CONCACAF money!
The JW & Blaze of soca have nothing on them!  :devil:

 :rotfl:
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Post by: pardners on April 21, 2013, 05:52:55 PM
Just heard on CNC3 that Warner tendered his resignation...Kamla to address the nation now.
 Emmanuel George to be interim MoNS.
Title: Re: Jack resigns!
Post by: truetrini on April 21, 2013, 05:55:03 PM
So the blogs saying  Immanuel George to act as Min of Nat Sec.
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Post by: pardners on April 21, 2013, 06:00:03 PM
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner.   :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner.   :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:

When he get lock up then I will be  :wavetowel:
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Post by: pardners on April 21, 2013, 06:12:08 PM
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner.   :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:

When he get lock up then I will be  :wavetowel:

You right but I have to take this as a slight moral victory.  I cant wait so long for him to get locked up nah.  I go be an old man before Warner get to do time.
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Post by: Brownsugar on April 21, 2013, 06:16:03 PM
I'm just going and stock up on popcorn......imagine Volney and Jack on the back bench.....ooooohhh lawdie......
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 06:24:17 PM
I'm just going and stock up on popcorn......imagine Volney and Jack on the back bench.....ooooohhh lawdie......

 :rotfl:
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner.   :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:

When he get lock up then I will be  :wavetowel:

You right but I have to take this as a slight moral victory.  I cant wait so long for him to get locked up nah.  I go be an old man before Warner get to do time.

D LONGEST ROPE HV AN END. 3 yrs ago when these people was unleash on us u did not tink it would come. U will live 2 c it.
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Post by: AB.Trini on April 21, 2013, 06:30:35 PM
Karen Ache whey yuh song? Uncle Jack
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Post by: pardners on April 21, 2013, 06:32:32 PM
I'm just going and stock up on popcorn......imagine Volney and Jack on the back bench.....ooooohhh lawdie......

 :rotfl:
Best news I get for the past two weeks concerning Warner.   :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:

When he get lock up then I will be  :wavetowel:

You right but I have to take this as a slight moral victory.  I cant wait so long for him to get locked up nah.  I go be an old man before Warner get to do time.

D LONGEST ROPE HV AN END. 3 yrs ago when these people was unleash on us u did not tink it would come. U will live 2 c it.

Remember was around the same time when we here on the forum was trying to figure out how we could bring an end to the rule ?
The TTFF rule come and change up...now the ringleader starting to show chinks in the armour.  The longest rope really have an end.
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Post by: MEP on April 21, 2013, 06:40:12 PM
Ah hear de scandal now start because if jack going dong everybody comin wid him....
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Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
Ah hear de scandal now start because if jack going dong everybody comin wid him....

I  :praying: :praying: :praying: :praying: :praying: THAT IS D CASE
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Post by: pardners on April 21, 2013, 06:57:01 PM
I could just imagine the PP spin doctors hard at work trying to come up with the best excuse/reason for Jack's resignation. 

It would sound something like... "Mr. Warner is a highly respected individual and has the highest regard for the image of this beloved country of ours.  It is in this regard that he chose to resign from cabinet to spare the country and our beloved Prime Minister any attempt by foreign and local entities any undue embarrassment.  Mr. Warner has decided to put self first."  ::)
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Post by: truetrini on April 21, 2013, 07:02:19 PM
Fuentes facebook status says :  "End of an Error!"
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Post by: Bakes on April 21, 2013, 07:04:20 PM
Fuentes facebook status says :  "End of an Error!"

Sounds premature...
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Post by: Brownsugar on April 21, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
Fuentes facebook status says :  "End of an Error!"

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh dear....Freudian slip perhaps??...... :)
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Post by: Bitter on April 21, 2013, 07:14:57 PM
INTEGRITY COMMITTEE
REPORT OF INVESTIGATION
Presented to the Executive Committee of CONCACAF
April 18, 2013

http://concacafintegrityreport.com/FinalReport.PDF
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Post by: Socapro on April 21, 2013, 07:34:03 PM
Fuentes facebook status says :  "End of an Error!"
We know Fuentes regularly makes spelling errors but could that be a deliberate spelling era?!  :devil:
Title: Lasana Liburd reviews the Jack Warner story
Post by: SWF Reporter on April 21, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
The Jack Warner story: Made in Trinidad and Tobago
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Jack (Warner) is a measure of reality for those who like bullshit.

Chuck Blazer, former CONCACAF general secretary and chief financial officer, in Jack Warners authorised biography From Zero To Hero, which was written by Trinidad Guardian sport editor Valentino Singh

National Security Minister Jack Warners initially offered a trademark response to the latest and most deafening furore to engulf him in relation to his inability to restrain himself around other peoples money.
I tell you on Friday when I reply to (Opposition Leader Keith) Rowley make sure you have a front row seat, Warner told CNC3, because Ive been quiet on Rowley for far too long and the time has come now for me to go after Mr Rowley frontally.

Exactly what did PNM leader Keith Rowley have to do with Warners 21-year stint as CONCACAF president and the confederations subsequent investigation headed by former Barbados chief justice and attorney general Sir David Simmons?

Let FIFA, Warner said, worry about FIFA.

It was a desperate plea and ultimately unsuccessfully plea.

Trinidad and Tobago is known to have a short attention span. Next Friday would be exactly seven days after the damning CONCACAF report presented by ex-Barbados chief justice and attorney general, Sir David Simmons.

Warner deduced that if, he could ride the outrage out for that long, he might survive. He could not.
This evening, Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced that Warner had resigned and the politician whose personal email address starts with dsurvivor2011 was finished as a Cabinet member.

2011 was the year that Warner beat a hasty exit from FIFA. It proved to be the start of the end for the former history teacher.

Three years ago, then Integrity Commission chairman Eric St Cyr recommended that Warner chose between his government portfolio and FIFA position. Had he chosen then to walk away from football, the Chaguanas West MP would probably have lasted the term as a Cabinet member.

If Warner chose football, he might have continued to benefit from the lax scrutiny afforded to most sporting administrators.

But, like Icarus, Warner grew intoxicated with his own power and flew too close to the sun.

In the end, he was undone by his own greed. And it is ironic that after years of using his FIFA credentials to buy and bully Trinidad and Tobago citizens and, quite possibly, to commit crimes within this countrys boundaries; it is the football body that sent him to his political grave.

Two years after his promised tsunami produced barely a ripple, FIFA president Sepp Blatter had the last word as his new CONCACAF president Jeffrey Webb producing a remarkably clean hit.

The FBI, in all likelihood, would be next in line for its pound of flesh.

Read More (http://www.wired868.com/2013/04/21/jack-warner-made-in-trinidad-and-tobago/)

Title: Re: Lasana Liburd reviews the Jack Warner story
Post by: D.H.W on April 21, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
"The FBI, in all likelihood, would be next in line for its pound of flesh."

Ah need a front row seat for this one.
Title: Re: Lasana Liburd reviews the Jack Warner story
Post by: weary1969 on April 21, 2013, 08:35:48 PM
"The FBI, in all likelihood, would be next in line for its pound of flesh."

Ah need a front row seat for this one.


It better have a long front row. Nuff us have been waitin 4 this day.

Title: Re: Lasana Liburd reviews the Jack Warner story
Post by: dreamer on April 21, 2013, 10:05:03 PM
Good article.
Fellas, excellent result for round 1. See how pressure does buss pipe that some naysayers say could nevah buss.
Now to get focused on planning round 2, the part that Jackulito fears while he is on de backfoot.
He must be made to pay for his shocking fraudulent financial activities. Extradition to the US would be ideal icing on the cake.
Sancho and company, go for the jugular.
It's going to be a long rough ride Jackulito while you're stuck in T&T fearing to travel anywhere beyond Tobago with potentially several frozen international assets and confined children being tormented day in day out because of you.
Title: Re: Lasana Liburd reviews the Jack Warner story
Post by: Cocorite on April 22, 2013, 01:04:19 AM
Well said. Thanks for your courage Lasana. T&T can learn a thing or two here.
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 22, 2013, 05:24:13 AM
Solid read, Mr. Liburd!
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Post by: Jah Gol on April 22, 2013, 05:33:29 AM
I feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)

Oh shit
indeed
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 22, 2013, 06:57:19 AM
I feel saddened for my friends in T and T because your PM is going to be told what to do by foreigners. (Andrew Jennings)

Oh shit
indeed

... Ent. Hilarious.
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Post by: Observer on April 22, 2013, 07:07:13 AM
Together we aspire, together we are achieve became when it suits me I will conspire, when it suits me I will deceive as Trinidad and Tobago hurtled down the international transparency index.

There will be a feeling of relief that Warner has finally left Cabinet. But he does not fall alone. He never operated in a vacuum.

Warner is a product of Trinidad and Tobago. His departure is not the end of our societys longstanding romance with corruption. But, if the two-island republic looks inward, perhaps it might be the start of something more dignified for us all.

 :applause: :applause:
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Post by: D.H.W on April 22, 2013, 07:17:14 AM
Thanks to our footballers who stand up for what was right. History will remember them for what they sacrifice. History won't be kind on Warner though, Disgraced politician
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Post by: Coach on April 22, 2013, 09:42:58 AM
PM stunned! :bs: A PM have intelligent advisers, didn't anyone tell her from day one that it would only be a matter of time before JW tsunami come ah shore.
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Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 22, 2013, 12:18:30 PM
brilliant article by lasana liburd!

From Daaga to Roberts to Persad-Bissessar, he spotted a trait that runs deep in Trinidad and Tobago. It can be summarised in two words: Me first.
 
Trinidad and Tobago, despite over 50 years as an independent nation, still appears too politically immature as a people to see the link between corruption and hardship; unable to grasp that millions pocketed and wasted by politicians and their cohorts might have a direct relation to ill-equipped hospitals, unsafe roads, the loss of our gas subsidy,  inadequate basic services like water and, of course, the booming crime scourge.
 
Warner knew a population inclined more to self-preservation than communal love would turn a blind eye to its neighbours suffering once someone felt there was a dollar in it for him. And he preyed on Trinidad and Tobagos selfish streak for decades.


there is far more here than meets the eye.

no wonder jack does not see himself as a thief. our entire society was his accomplice.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2013, 12:26:24 PM
brilliant article by lasana liburd!

From Daaga to Roberts to Persad-Bissessar, he spotted a trait that runs deep in Trinidad and Tobago. It can be summarised in two words: “Me first.”
 
Trinidad and Tobago, despite over 50 years as an independent nation, still appears too politically immature as a people to see the link between corruption and hardship; unable to grasp that millions pocketed and wasted by politicians and their cohorts might have a direct relation to ill-equipped hospitals, unsafe roads, the loss of our gas subsidy,  inadequate basic services like water and, of course, the booming crime scourge.
 
Warner knew a population inclined more to self-preservation than communal love would turn a blind eye to its neighbour’s suffering once someone felt there was a dollar in it for him. And he preyed on Trinidad and Tobago’s selfish streak for decades.


there is far more here than meets the eye.

no wonder jack does not see himself as a thief. our entire society was his accomplice.

Brilliant 2 d nth power.
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 22, 2013, 12:30:02 PM
Quote
What country is so morally bankrupt as to be lectured to on matters of corruption by FIFA?

This line was special.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2013, 12:32:32 PM
Quote
What country is so morally bankrupt as to be lectured to on matters of corruption by FIFA?

This line was special.

OUCH it is special in deed. Satan correcking sin eh equivalent to this.
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Post by: Fyzoman on April 22, 2013, 12:47:17 PM
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??

After all is said and done he gone from FIFA bigwig to propping sorrow before he get he marching orders in Phiilipines Trinidad and Tobago.
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Post by: Brownsugar on April 22, 2013, 12:52:32 PM
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??

A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff.  While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....."  hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!!  ah run she out mih cubicle!!!   :cursing:
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Post by: D.H.W on April 22, 2013, 12:55:23 PM
 :rotfl:
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Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2013, 12:57:49 PM
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??

After all is said and done he gone from FIFA bigwig to propping sorrow before he get he marching orders in Phiilipines Trinidad and Tobago.

When Rowley tell him choose 1 he say no I will have both now he has NONE. Arrogance and Greed is a deadly combination.
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Post by: Cocorite on April 22, 2013, 01:03:59 PM
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??

A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff.  While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....."  hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!!  ah run she out mih cubicle!!!   :cursing:

It have real naive and dumb people dong dey, eh! Shims man!
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Post by: weary1969 on April 22, 2013, 01:27:27 PM
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??

A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff.  While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....."  hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!!  ah run she out mih cubicle!!!   :cursing:

Yuh should have run her out of the building.
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Post by: Socapro on April 22, 2013, 01:31:42 PM
This life eh easy nah...watching that Guardian newspaper of Jack in Kamla gallery, I wonder if there's anyone out there who genuinely feeling sorry for JW (apart from family/cronies/benefactors i.e)??

A co-worker came in my cubicle this morning to help me with some IT stuff.  While here, she started up "....oh gosh ah feeling so sorry for Jack eh....."  hear nah world war 3 nearly break out!!!  ah run she out mih cubicle!!!   :cursing:

It have real naive and dumb people dong dey, eh! Shims man!
Which is why so many voted for him.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 22, 2013, 04:35:07 PM
Jack Warner still denying it.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 22, 2013, 05:02:09 PM
Jack attacking Kamla now
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Post by: davyjenny1 on April 22, 2013, 05:11:37 PM
Jack attacking Kamla now

that statement has many meanings  :yellowcard: :banginghead:  ;D
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Post by: Deeks on April 22, 2013, 06:18:58 PM
PM stunned! :bs: A PM have intelligent advisers, didn't anyone tell her from day one that it would only be a matter of time before JW tsunami come ah shore.

Look, the wajang whose head is full of rocks, Growley, made it clear in parliament that Jack should choose between his parliamentary duities or FIFA duties when the UNC/PP won election.'what f--k rockhard pitbull know!' Jack know how to deal with fifa bizness and could separate that from gov't bizness. Not the exact words, but  that is how the responses came out from his supporters. These people never follow football. The football loving public know of Jack's deviant behaviour from the late 70s. Pro-Pioneer, Arthur Suite, etc, using FIFA edict to protect him from gov't interference. The next thing we should demand from FIFA. Any FIFA official who wins or appointed political position HAS to relinquish his FIfa post. No ifs or buts.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 22, 2013, 09:00:59 PM
Express

Jack may face more probes


Story Updated: Apr 22, 2013

Former UNC minister Jack Warner may be very vulnerable to investigation by the Integrity Commission and the Director of Public Prosecutions.

This is the view of former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj.

Former Law Association president Dana Seetahal also believes that there may be issues in terms of the Code of Conduct of the Integrity Commission but needs to study the Concacaf Integrity Committee Report more fully to determine whether these issues rise to the standard of an offence.

Chairman of the Integrity Commission Ken Gordon did not want to say much.

Asked yesterday whether the findings of the Concacaf Integrity Committee as well as some of the information in the ongoing expose by head of the Express Investigative Desk, Camini Marajh, would now be matters of interest to the Integrity Commission, Gordon said, I dont know why you say whether they would now be of interest.

Gordon directed the Express to the Integrity Commissions last report, pointing out that there were some 70 matters being investigated. That is a good starting point, he said.

But Maharaj said there might be grounds for a civil and criminal case. He said with regard to the very serious findings of the Simmons Committee and the information in Marajhs articles, they give rise to possible civil wrong but also possible criminal action. And quite apart from this, it could give rise to grounds for an investigation. It would seem to me that the Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago has responsibility as the guardian of the public interest to formally send the Simmons Report and the Camini Marajh article to the Commissioner of Police and also write to the Director of Public Prosecutions, sending him a copy, and also a copy to the Integrity Commission, he said.

Seetahal said the findings of the Simmons Report dealt with actions involving a foreign association and Warner. This would involve the offence of corruption under our law because corruption under our law would have to do with a State body, she said, adding that it would not amount to an offence under our law. She said on the issues of fraudulent conversion or misappropriation, she would have to study the report in greater detail. She also pointed out that these findings were made without hearing from Warner, who chose not to give testimony. She said the Australian governments position was interesting because they said they sent a certain amount of money to be used for a clear purpose and they were asking for accounting insofar as that purpose is concerned. On Marajhs articles, she said once there are issues as to conduct in Trinidad and Tobago, then our authorities should properly investigate it. She said Warner must want to see an investigation to have these matters put to rest if he is innocent and they (the allegations) are all malicious as he says.

On the resignation, Seetahal said Warner did the right thing. To continue would have been an embarrassment to the Government and bearing in mind that the entire Simmons report was made public internationally, it would have been an embarrassment for the country.

She said the report had not merely allegations, but conclusions of fraud. She said the former minister (Warner) must have recognised the angst the report would have caused many people, including the Prime Minister.

Maharaj said the resignation was long overdue. But up to 48 hours prior to the announcement of his resignation, Warner was saying that he was not going to resign, so the question was, what caused him to change his mind within the last 24 to 48 hours. Maharaj said it also showed that the Prime Minister was a very weak leader, because she should have taken steps months ago to have Warner removed from the Cabinet. He said the members of the Partnership collectively accepted Warner as a fit and proper member of the Cabinet. So the entire Government is contaminated and this (issue) needs a fresh mandate from the population.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack-may-face-more-probes-204210771.html
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Post by: Flex on April 23, 2013, 04:12:28 AM
Bank Account Maze
Jack made up his own $$ rules
By Camini Marajh: Head, Investigative Desk


Part V of a Special Investigation

It was no secret that Austin Jack Warner, world football power broker and deep-pocketed political benefactor, made his own rules. The secret was his off-book transactions, misleading financial disclosures and maze of parallel bank accounts relating to all of the football bodies he was associated with.

Persons with knowledge of the situation and sensitive and long sought documents obtained by this newspaper reveal that Warner controlled a slew of official and secret bank accounts in the names of key football bodies, specifically, footballs ruling body for North and Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf), the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) and LOC Germany 2006 Ltd.

A trusted and influential football figure considered above reproach, Warner maintained a tightly controlled power structure that he put in place which some say is still in force today.

No questions were asked and no explanations were provided, either to the executive staff that managed the affairs of the various football bodies or to the accountants and auditors who signed off the financial statements without qualification.

His accountant-in-chief and general man of business, Kenny Rampersad, a certified accountant of 3A Queens Park West, Port of Spain, facilitated and covered up the deceit.

He was also the beneficiary of all of the accounting briefs, from all of the football bodies, and in some cases, he was both bookkeeper and auditor.

Investigations by the Express found that Warner funnelled tens of millions of public and private sector money into parallel bank accounts, often held at the same branch as the official bank accounts.

For instance, the Republic Bank account on Tragarete Road, Port of Spain in which disgraced ex-AFC (Asian Football Confederation) president Mohamed bin Hammam wire transferred US$250,000 to Warner in 2008, was not known to CFU officials.

CFU officials had knowledge of only two accounts, a TT-dollar and US-dollar at that bank. All of the CFU accounts at that branch, official and secret, were controlled by Warner.

In the case of the secret CFU account, the International Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS), found evidence of commingling of private Warner money and CFU funds.

Read More (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/12381-jack-made-up-his-own--rules.html)

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on April 23, 2013, 09:23:55 AM

Congress of the People (COP) member and attorney Carol Cuffy-Dowlat believes the media influenced Jack Warners resignation as National Security Minister and United National Congress (UNC) chairman.
It had nothing to do with fraud and corruption levelled against Warner. No not that!!!!!!!!!! :pissedoff:

Rally round embattled former minister Jack Warner and come out in your numbers on Friday.
This was the call made by Health Minister Dr Fuad Khan yesterday who stood in defence of Warner saying that he should not have tendered his resignation but should have cleared his name against all the allegations made against him. :bs: :laugh:

One day after he was appointed Minister of National Security, Emmanuel George said he intends to tackle the crime problem head-on. Really? Says he wants to follow in Jack's footsteps. :laugh:

Daryan Warner in an interview with TV6 News yesterday said that he was both relieved and disappointed at his fathers resignation from the post of National Security Minister. :P

Acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams when asked if the police would be investigating allegations of fraud levelled at Warner, said the police only investigate allegations that have been reported to them. Called Jack a man of action. :bs: :cursing: :rotfl: :laugh:

PM does not direct her AG to conduct further investigations into the Integrity Committee findings.
AG is silent. DPP is silent. Minister of Justice is silent. Integrity Commission on vacation in plain sight.

Okay, where are the real law enforcement professionals
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Football supporter on April 23, 2013, 10:02:16 AM
Acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams when asked if the police would be investigating allegations of fraud levelled at Warner, said the police only investigate allegations that have been reported to them.

So, let me understand this clearly. The global press printing evidence of alleged fraud and a full 108 page report is available online, but because nobody has said "Mr Williams, I'd like to report Jack Warner for fraud" he cannot investigate?

So, how about sw.net do a petition reporting the allegations against Jack and ask him to investigate? After all, the poor man must be confused and very hurt that nobody has reported these crimes to him.

At least we now know that TTPS are not concerned with detecting crime.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on April 23, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
Lasana on Sportmax zone now.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Flex on April 24, 2013, 05:47:41 AM
Daryan Warner has mixed feelings.
T&T Express Reports.


Daryan Warner in an interview with TV6 News yesterday said that he was both relieved and disappointed at his fathers resignation from the post of National Security Minister.

Daryan Warner, who has been in Florida, Miami since late last year, said he was not responding to any suggestions that he had spoken to the FBI or was assisting in investigations.

Reacting to the resignation of his father however he said, I told my father that to me, his resignation is two-fold. In one breath I am happy because he can now focus on his health and security and well being and his business. In the other breath I am disappointed that his work and effort in his football career and the energy he has displayed in his political life has gone to nought. I will support my father whether he is right or wrong.

With regard to his name being mentioned in the Concacaf Integrity Committee Report, Daryan Warner said that he had no idea how that came about and challenged the media to look at any of his companies annual returns and see if he followed on that same path.

He said that being named in the report has affected his real estate business in Miami and that people thought that the reference in the report to the two Miami apartments and the Hummer vehicle was about him, when in fact it makes direct reference to Chuck Blazer.
 
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Post by: weary1969 on April 24, 2013, 08:47:30 AM
Balgobin: Stolen $$ may have funded campaign
By Julien Neaves

INDEPENDENT Senator Dr Rolph Balgobin said if the Concacaf Integrity Committee report findings are true the Peoples Partnership administration could have come into office on stolen money.

If what is said in there is even half true, and if it is also half true that one of the central figures in the report actually bailed out and assisted a number of ministers and paid for...electoral campaign then you would have come to Government with stolen money, he said.

He noted that this brought up the issue of campaign financing. The report accused former national security minister Jack Warner of being fraudulent in the management of the football confederation and led to his resignation on Sunday.

Balgobin spoke on the issue during his contribution to the Miscellaneous Provisions (Defence and Police Complaints) Bill yesterday at Tower D, International Waterfront Centre, Port of Spain.

He said he was surprised that Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was stunned by the findings and her process to remove Warner was patient but tested our patience.

But she has acted and for that any leader should be commended, he added.

Balgobin earlier said the society was twisted and wrong is right.

And this is why we could celebrate the machinations of our erstwhile minister of national security. If what is said, in spite of what appears to have been perpetrated, what is there to celebrate? he asked rhetorically.

Balgobin said the Government, like all administrations over the last 15 years, had underestimated the erosion of credibility that was occurring. He added that while the Opposition has taken up issues gleefully it was the media that were ferreting out things.

The Opposition is weak (and) content to wakeboard behind the accomplishments of the media, he added.

He said the media brought about the downfall of the Peoples National Movement and were initially the darling of the Peoples Partnership but currently it appeared some viewed the media as an enemy.

On the bill he noted there were many cases of soldiers beating up people they found wearing camouflage and referred to the recent allegations by residents of Mon Repos Apartments who were beaten by men dressed as soldiers. 

Title: Fantastic Friday
Post by: AB.Trini on April 24, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
It  was rumored that at one time after an infamous resignation from FIFA that there was going to be a Tsunami of gigantic proportions!!!!! well that went by with a whim. Now comes from the same source that come Friday and there will be doomsday in Parliament.

People have been invited to get their front row seats; bring popcorn and take in the proceedings. All will be told!!!!!

The Bouncing start the bouncing start!!!!!!!   palance palance

What do you think will be revealed? Will it be  some rhetoric dissertation on the follies of victimization? more woe is me shame and scandal in the PP woe is me I am the victim of circumstances. Woe is me external issues must not dictate internal....when Partarp get sacked was the external event not a direct influence on the decision?   AH boi I am a victim of my own making yet  I must not be blamed.....

There are multiple morals that could be conceived by this  saga: 'football and politics go hand in hand' Birds of a feather do foock together
Title: Re: Fantastic Friday
Post by: just cool on April 24, 2013, 08:59:47 PM
And that too shall past.

in the end no one will do prison time, no one will be extradited, no one will face justice so what's all the hooplah about??

like you forget iz trinidad ppl yuh dealin wid or what??  the land of mamaguye and complaisance.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 24, 2013, 09:49:22 PM
Ex-minister mastermind behind preventing full disclosure of football $$
By Part VI of a Special Investigation Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk


JACKS SMART COURT MOVES

In March 2012, in a hit-back at the courts attempt to follow the money and compel the national football federation to bring its rogue agent Jack Warner to book, attorney Om Lalla asserted that improper pressure was being brought on the Federation and its executive to coerce them into action against his client and former de facto boss of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF).

The Lalla accusation followed half a dozen years of courtroom manoeuvres thrown up by Warners frontmen, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden, to dodge a volley of full-disclosure orders made by the court for the federations accounts. The Camps-Groden-led TTFF repeatedly failed to produce full and accurate financial records, as ordered, and disclosed instead four sets of conflicting accounts done by Warners accountant-in-chief, Kenny Rampersad.

It was only when they were threatened with contempt proceedings that Camps and Groden admitted to the controlling role Warner played from behind the scenes. In startling court affidavits filed last year, the two men separately pinned the entire debacle of false and misleading financial information relating to TTFF and LOC Germany 2006 Ltdthe company used as a clearing house for World Cup sponsorship moneyon the man they previously described as a benefactor and the best thing to ever happen to local football.

They made clear that Warner was the mastermind behind the scenes and the man holding all the books and financial records of the national football federation and LOC Germany. The two understated the facilitating role they played in giving the self-appointed negotiating agent of LOC Germany full control of all of the federations World Cup sponsorship revenuesaid to be about $205.6 million, of which more than $100 million is unaccounted for.

The Camps and Groden duet claimed Warner had failed to respond to their repeated requests for financial records and other banking information related to the two companies. With the threat of contempt proceedings hanging over his head and no free get-out-of-jail card in sight, the former TTFF president of more than ten years, Camps, on February 17 last year, had his newly rostered lawyer, Derek Ali, dispatch a pre-action protocol letter to Warner with a demand for an account of sponsorship and other monies related to the 2006 World Cup campaign.

His previous lawyer on record, Om Lalla, who is also Warners substantive local counsel, in correspondence addressed to Ali and submitted to the court, took apparent umbrage with the tone and specific nature of the Camps request.

In criticism directed at the presiding judge, Devindra Rampersad, Lalla said: We wish to express our grave concern at what we can only describe as what appears to be improper pressure being brought on the TTFF and its executive to coerce them into action against our client.

We have sought the opinion of Senior Counsel on this matter and, should the occasion arise, we will take the necessary steps to strenuously protect the interests of our client. The letter noted that it was Camps who organised the business of football through the TTFF and LOC Germany 2006.

According to Lalla, Warner was merely one of five directors of LOC Germany. He, however, omitted to mention that LOC Germany was a Warner-Rampersad creation in which Warners son, Daryll, and longtime secretary, Patricia Modeste, were also directors together with Groden and Camps.

Lalla noted: Your letter states that you are instructed that our client received monies, gifts, donations, grants and other benefits for and on behalf of the TTFF and for the benefit of the TTFF. If by this it is meant that our client was personally/beneficially in receipt in his own name of such gifts and other like donations and benefits, we are advised that your instructions are totally incorrect.

Lalla said Warner was well known for the prominent role he played as TTFFs special adviser in national and international football, and made clear that his client was never personally, in his own name, in receipt of monies, gifts, donations, grants and like benefits on behalf of the TTFF either as agent or servant which were not handed over or deposited to the accounts of the TTFF and LOC Germany 2006.

He held that: All contributions were made directly to or in the name of the TTFF and or LOC Germany 2006. Lalla neglected to mention the small detail of the tens of millions of public and private sector funds redirected from TTFFs bank accounts to LOC Germany and other private Warner corporations or the fact that Warner had exclusive control of LOC.

He contended that all monies received on behalf of the Football Federation were either payable or made payable to TTFF and/ or LOC Germany and not to our client in his personal capacity.

Lalla countered that contrary to the claim of Warner being reluctant to assist the court, we are instructed to assure you that at all times our client has given full and honest disclosure of all relevant information within his knowledge.

Lalla argued that: The imputation contained in your instructions that our client in some way failed to make honest and full disclosure of all of the sponsorship revenue was disappointing and deeply resented and rejected. He said, Nothing could be further from the truth, and noted that Warner had re-doubled his efforts to determine if there was further information relevant to the courts enquiry that he might have overlooked.

Lalla pointed to the audited accounts of the TTFF and a reported $15 million debt owed to Warner for cash advances made to the federation. He noted that in addition to the $15 million debt stated in TTFFs audited accounts, Warner had been instrumental in providing leased premises to the federation, to which outstanding rent of over $1 million was owed.

Ignoring the built-in conflicts of interest related to Warners lease arrangements with related football bodies, the Lalla letter stated: This is mentioned not by way of any threat of immediate action to recover these outstanding monies but to demonstrate the fact that contrary to the imputation inherent in your instructions the attitude and position of our client to yours has always been generous and not predatory.

He also did not go into the opaque and confusing accounting picture created by the several sets of Rampersad-produced accounts and the huge and conflicting gaps between the different Rampersad-disclosed sponsorship income and the $205.6 million figure provided to Mike Townley by the previous administration.

Townley, the English lawyer for the Soca Warriors, said recently Warner and the Football Federation had shown a shameful disregard for the process of law. He declined to talk about the specific settlement numbers currently under discussion with TTFFs new boss, Raymond Tim Kee, but was clear that: The dispute reached a point of stalemate with the TTFF refusing consistently to provide the accounting evidence that we need to establish the players entitlement.

According to him: There have been all sorts of games played out over the past years with the intention of hiding the real figures for the revenue generated from the 2006 World Cup. TTFF initially were happy to produce accounts until we pointed out that they were manifestly false, and then they tried to blame Jack Warner for keeping all the relevant information to himself.

He says, Oh no, I gave you all that information years ago. We are left now with little option but to petition the court for the winding-up of TTFF so that an Insolvency Trustee can open an investigation into where the money has gone.

Asked how this case measured up with a varied legal career which included some significant pieces of legislation, Townley told the Express: No one has come close to this. The mendaciousness of the defendant from the outset, the determination to hide the truth, the defiance of court orders, the false-accounting coupled with the high-handed manner that suggests that it is in fact the claimants who are at fault is staggering. It is in fact Kafkaesque.

Townley said: Before the credibility of the TTFF and those managing it were brought to nought with all their lies they used to regularly lambaste the claimants for not respecting the sanctity of the court. They are a parody of themselves.

He said things reached a farcical level when we applied to join Warner to the action and the same lawyers claimed to represent Warner and the TTFF and refused to acknowledge the obvious conflict of interest even when this was pointed out by the judge.

The roster of lawyers representing both the football federation and Warner up to last year included Dereck Balliram, British QC William McCormick and Om Lalla. Documents obtained by this newspaper show that on March 5, 2011, Lalla sent an e-mail about the previous days CMCs (Case Management Conference) hearing to several persons, including clients Warner, Camps and Rampersad.

The e-mail noted in part: The two major issues to have been determined was the time frame for the preparation of detailed accounts as per the Order. The time given is three months which is very generous given the last comments of the judge and opposition of the claimants. I request that Kenny Rampersad be immediately contacted to see if he can comply with the Order of the court as compliance will be crucial at this point.

The e-mail urged: Pls bear in mind the ability to successfully argue this matter depends on the ability to provide accounts requested by the judge. If at that stage we are unable to provide details of where the money was spent the judge can request tracing Orders to see where the money went. I can provide more details of what is expected or done but will prefer to do so at conference.

The Lalla e-mail noted: Once again the guiding factor is the accounts and the advice of Kenny and his ability to comply with the order of the court. Pls let me have your comments if you need any further clarification.

Part VII continues on Sunday with Public Misconduct

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Flex on April 25, 2013, 05:01:26 AM
MP faces constitutents tonight
JACK TALKS STRAIGHT
By RADHICA SOOKRAJ and GAIL ALEXANDER


Former national security minister Jack Warner will tell his constituents why he tendered a double resignation this week and his plans for the future at a public meeting in his constituency tonight. However, even as he plans to do so, a committee set up by Chaguanas West activists plans to lobby Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to return their MP to the positions.

Chaguanas West constituency officials said yesterday Warner, who resigned from the Cabinet and as UNC chairman this week, is holding todays meeting, scheduled for the Pierre Road Recreation Ground, Chaguanas, from 6.30 pm, to account to his constituents and say why all of this has happened. The meetings theme is Straight Talk. Warner also plans to deal with both issues during tomorrows debate of an Opposition motion against him in Parliament.

At least one TV station and several radio stations are expected to broadcast tonights meeting live, constituency officials said. The lobby group Bring Jack Back, led by chairman of the La Paille/Caroni party group Indal Singh, will be out in their numbers for the meeting. However, Singh yesterday admitted to being stumped by Warners insistence he had no intention of taking back his ministerial or UNC post, even if they convince Persad-Bissessar to reconsider the matter.

He said despite that, a meeting was held yesterday to make arrangements to go ahead with the lobby. We already started to look for sponsors and we hope to do a petition to take to her (Persad-Bissessar), Singh told the T&T Guardian. We were going to her office to speak to her about Mr Warners resignation with the hope that she reinstates him, but now it doesnt look like he wants to come back. It means we have to change our strategies now.

Singh said he was worried about Warner. This is getting sickening to me because the PNM giving us real pressure, he said. We are close to the local government elections and we have to put the machinery in place to win this election, especially in the Tunapuna seat. He admitted, however, that Warner has not been taking calls from the group and his constituency secretary Indra Maharaj-Jagessar was also not accessible.

Asked what was the next move, Singh said: It makes no sense to fight an uphill battle for Mr Warner, only to be told he is not interested. In the meantime, Singh said his committee would throw support behind interim UNC chairman Khadija Ameen. Local election is at our doorstep and we have to forge ahead, he said. If Mr Warner does not want to be part of the UNC executive, then we have to respect his decision and uphold the Prime Ministers position to accept his resignations.

Singh said a contingency plan was in place. We are all speechless by the developments of the past few days, he said. We were worried about the loyalty that Mr Warner has among the people but we have to do what is in the best interest of the party because nobody must roll over this party.

Title: Re: 10 facts about Jack.
Post by: Errol on April 25, 2013, 06:44:53 AM
Jack need more that 10 facts, just probably have about 100 facts and all dirty.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Football supporter on April 25, 2013, 08:15:43 AM
Singh said he was worried about Warner. This is getting sickening to me because the PNM giving us real pressure, he said.

In this one sentence is the whole problem with T&T politics.

No mention of Sir David Simmons accusing Warner of several acts of fraud which has become international news. No mention of US$26 million of other peoples money being diverted into Jack Warners apparently personal business, the Centre of Excellence.
No mention of all the secret bank accounts. No mention of the TT$100 million missing from the 2006 World Cup.

Were they all the work of the PNM?  Some people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they pass a sanity test.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Sam on April 25, 2013, 08:58:15 AM
These indians in Chaguanas real chupid boy, they is ah disgrace.

Man will do anything for a loaf ah bread !

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: weary1969 on April 25, 2013, 08:58:48 AM
Case of the KPMG audit and the missing millions.
ByCamini Marajh (Express).


It appears that international auditing firm KPMG conducted three years of audited statements for the Trinidad and Tobago National Football Federation (TTFF) with eyes wide shut.

KPMG, which is listed among the worlds top five auditing firms, in audited statements for the three-year period 2005 to 2007, paid no mind to the tens of millions of public- and private-sector funds diverted from the national football federations bank accounts to the Jack Warner-created and -controlled entity called LOC Germany 2006.

From all accounts and by KPMGs own admission, it treated LOC Germany as a separate legal entity despite the fact that the federations substantial creditor, Jack Warner, was also a director and self-appointed negotiating agent of LOC Germany.

Bank activity reports for several TTFF accounts, including the Republic Bank Westmall account, show significant tens of millions of dollars in transfers to LOC Germany. Sponsorship payments, according to internal TTFF payment vouchers seen by this reporter, were also redirected to LOC Germany. These substantial cash transfers were not disclosed in the unqualified audited financial statements produced in 2008 by KPMG.

KPMG held the view that its audit engagement related only to TTFF and we had no basis to request or examine the accounting records of LOC Germany despite evidence that LOC was engaged in open cash raids of TTFFs money.

The KPMG audited statements were dismissed by lawyers for the Soca Warriors as shoddy and totally unreliable pieces of work. Soca Warriors lawyer Mike Townley said a principle feature of the KPMG accounts was the startling degree to which they fail to record millions of dollars in revenue that we know the TTFF received from Government and private sector agencies.

The combined income for the mentioned three-year period under review, according to the KPMG audit, amounted to a mere $37.1 million. The firms managing partner, Robert Alleyne, has refused to answer specific questions about whether KPMG sought to determine the business relationship between its client and LOC Germany, and whether it made any enquiries into the circumstances leading to Warner and LOC becoming major creditors to TTFF, among other things.

In response to the Warner debt, Alleyne said only: We stand by our audit report which did not express any reservations about the debt.

But documents seen by this newspaper suggest the debt was racked up in the main by so-called cash advances provided for the payment of salaries and other expenses to technical staff.

The debt to Warner continued to grow on the books of the TTFF despite significant State contributions for the specific item of salaries and technical staff expenses. There is no explanation in the audited statements for where the State contribution for the payment of salaries went. KPMG took cover behind client confidentiality.

Another financial institution caught in the maelstrom of Warner-related oversight is First Citizens. The bank has refused to give the real Bahamian-registered Concacaf access to accounts held in its name. As reported in this series, Warner used a slew of bank accounts in the names of official football bodies to which he was associated to conduct his private business. Many of these accounts were not known to officials in the various football bodies, investigations by this newspaper have revealed.


Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: AirMan on April 25, 2013, 09:18:10 AM
I will be surprised if he even faces a court trial, far less making jail
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: weary1969 on April 25, 2013, 09:34:50 AM
I will be surprised if he even faces a court trial, far less making jail

Not in TNT 4 sure.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on April 25, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
PM stunned my arse. This article written by Susan Dye is an indictment on the sickening inability of this current administration to discern their ass from their elbow.

Reuters
April 23rd, 2013

Lance Armstrong sued by government over sponsor money.

The U.S. government filed court documents Tuesday laying out its case against cyclist Lance Armstrong, who is accused of defrauding the Postal Service by taking millions of dollars in sponsorship money while flouting professional cycling rules by doping. Lance has nothing on the funny talking gangster from Trinidad and he gets sued. Are you kidding me? Where are the protesters, where is the opposition party that is supposed to be leading this protest about this administration's refusal to file a lawsuit against this idiot? I am angry and disgusted.

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Post by: Dutty on April 25, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
PM stunned my arse. This article written by Susan Dye is an indictment on the sickening inability of this current administration to discern their ass from their elbow.

Reuters
April 23rd, 2013

Lance Armstrong sued by government over sponsor money.

The U.S. government filed court documents Tuesday laying out its case against cyclist Lance Armstrong, who is accused of defrauding the Postal Service by taking millions of dollars in sponsorship money while flouting professional cycling rules by doping. Lance has nothing on the funny talking gangster from Trinidad and he gets sued. Are you kidding me? Where are the protesters, where is the opposition party that is supposed to be leading this protest about this administration's refusal to file a lawsuit against this idiot? I am angry and disgusted.



Lance eh fund de proper election effort
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Deeks on April 25, 2013, 05:20:37 PM
These indians in Chaguanas real chupid boy, they is ah disgrace.

Man will do anything for a loaf ah bread !



Sam, you could say the same for the Afros of Laventy. But the issue with his constituents is that the fear that they have lost a high profile MP. He could get things done for them, pronto. He was their action man. The same was said of Manning's constituents from Sando. No more gravy train and media spotlights for their action man. They feel they will be left out in the cold.
Title: jack wanrer on I95.5 as i type
Post by: just cool on April 25, 2013, 07:16:26 PM
giving ah speech.  good action speech too.
Title: Re: jack wanrer on I95.5 as i type
Post by: D.H.W on April 25, 2013, 07:21:59 PM
Hot Air.

Also he wait until he resign the wuk to clear the air?
Title: Re: jack wanrer on I95.5 as i type
Post by: AB.Trini on April 25, 2013, 07:43:42 PM
These letter eh say sheet..... This is a deflection!!!!!!!! of  what he did.  Are these letters authenticated? All it shows is that money passed for votes!!!!!!!

LAWD ITS all about me and listen to the fools clapping  to support all the crap he did. Imagine putting a candidate sitting dey for Burrel and then people think that that was ok.

He is alluding to getting things by unscrupulous means........he Hanging heself,,,,,,,He performing some  gross generalizations hasty generalizations and some fallacious conclusions.

What ah JACK ass he saying CONCACAF eh raise no inquires well he was the President and he eh ask no question. Blatter and he was all in crap!!!!! that gift was a payoff.

Whey all the rental money went? he eh have no shame he billing like crazy and he is the president of CONCACAF
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Post by: Bourbon on April 25, 2013, 08:08:07 PM
The executive summary of the Concacaf report state that Warner and Blazer refuse to cooperate. So he had all this and didnt give them but waiting until now to drop the mark.


Does talk bout people trying to tarnish and slander him..and thats his modus operandi.


It jus like dis.

http://www.youtube.com/v/heqWn196PMg
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Post by: Bakes on April 26, 2013, 12:28:47 AM
Jack to resign as MP.
By Ria Taitt Political Editor.
(T&T Express).


ILL BE BACK
 
Effective midnight (tonight), Jack Warner will resign as Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West.
Warner made the announcement last night as he addressed a massive crowd at a public meeting in Chaguanas.

But in an unusual twist, he also declared that he would want to contest the by-election as a United National Congress (UNC)  candidate for the same seat90 days from today in July.

Constitutionally a by-election must be held within 90 days of the declaration of the seat (of Chaguanas West) as vacant by the House Speaker Wade Mark

I wish to let you know that tomorrow, Friday, I would be advising the Speaker of the House of Representatives that effective midnight on Friday night I am resigning as Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, he said.

Let me tell you that when I spoke with the Prime Minister at her residence on Sunday I told her that if it became necessary for me to resign as Minister and UNC chairmanwhich it now hasI would also wish to resign as the MP for Chaguanas West.

I felt that the proper thing to do would be to offer you my constituents...I had advised the Prime Minister of my thinking on this matter. I also did tell her that I will want to contest the by-election as a UNC candidate for the Chaguanas West seat as I am UNC to the bone...Ninety days from April 25, 2013 will be July 24, 2013 and, who knows, with luck, love and your support, Jack Warner will be back, he stated.

Warner said in spite of the trials, tribulations and disappointments that he had endured, the character assassination, the slander, the ridicule of my family and the abandonment of long-time friendsin spite of the hurt, in spite of the indignities I have experienced, I stand here tonight void of hatred, animosity or ill will for my Political Leader, my party, your party, our party, the United National Congress or the Peoples Partnership Government.

However, in an apparent criticism of his colleague Suruj Rambachan, Warner said:
We cannot win as a party if within one day at the Ministry of Works and Infrastructure we are threatening to change communication departments in the Ministry because of its ethnic composition.

We cannot win my people if as a Government peoples jobs are lost because of their closeness to Jack Warner. When these things begin to happen it is because some of us are misinterpreting the responsibilities given to us and when large portfolios like two mega ministries are placed under one mans control. It sends the wrong message not only to the person in charge but also to the national community, especially when ones race or ethnicity can be punished because of the historical patterns of some of us.

Warner also disclosed that he had requested Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to accept his resignation as Minister of National Security today (April 26), but this request was eventually denied.

Last Sunday I went to the Prime Ministers residence with my folder of papers. At the very start of my conversation with her I told her that I was offering my resignation should she think that she needs it, and then I went through page-by-page with her, the vast majority of the documents shown to you here tonight. Unfortunately, the circumstances as they unfolded did not allow me the privilege to make similar presentations to the other members of Government and therefore they did not have the privilege and benefit of this information.

At last Sundays meeting, I told the PM that in order to give her peace of mind that I will resign on Friday, April 26, 2013, thereby giving me enough time to tie up some loose ends at the Ministry as well as discuss the SOFA Bill in the F&GP Committeea Bill to which I had serious objections. Our Prime Minister is a very brilliant legal mind and I do believe that she followed my presentation and the facts. Following my presentation, the Honourable Prime Minister advised me that she will consider my resignation offer.

I then left the Prime Ministers residence with the intention of going to a puja in Trincity but upon coming outside of her office I saw three MPs lurking outside the room, one of whom has been my consistent antagonist. And I knew then that everything I said to the PM would have been in vain. The rest is history.
I was called out of the puja by my security detail who told me that one of the three ministers called the Head of the Army, to call me to call you (Warner).

He said when he called the Prime Minister she then advised  him that she had reconsidered and that she would prefer to accept my resignation now. I said okay and then hustled to the Ministry to clear my desk.

Not her fault. She has some advisors who advise her to her detriment and to the detriment of the country, said Warner.

Friends, it is easy to fight external enemies like the PNM and Rowley, but the hardest fight is to strike a blow against internal enemies and I have had to fight against my internal enemies for too long. If we in our party continue to be consumed by hatred for each other as we have practised in the past we will not survive.

I am not bitter but when my friends are targeted, when my associates are targeted, when their jobs are threatened because of their association with me, then we can never be successful ever again. My three sons have opted to live outside of Trinidad and Tobago for peace of mind and even that they have been denied.

We cannot win as a party if a Cabinet member bears so much malice as to deprive me from telling my side of the story by instructing CNMG to cancel the coverage of tonights meeting, Warner stated.

At 11.30 on Wednesday night I heard that through the grapevine. My colleague from my party do me that? he asked.

Warner defended his stewardship in FIFA, Concacaf and Caribbean Football Union, suggesting that the falling out with FIFA president Sepp Blatter was the root of all the allegations related to these bodies.

Every vicious allegation levelled against me is without basis, he said, citing numerous documents.
Declaring that his hands are clean, Warner also defended his stewardship as minister, saying: In the last three years, you would never hear any contractor tell you, nowhere he gave Warner a favour, a benefit, a bribe.

Saying that there was an unholy alliance against him, he stated that PNM Leader Keith Rowley was aided and abetted by persons local and abroad, persons inside and outside of his party.

Warner, who attacked the media and who emphasised the number 24 (May 24 is the date of the UNC coming in office and January 24 is the date on which Kamla Persad-Bissessar first became political leader and Warner party chairman), also announced that a weekly newpaper, will be launched on May 24, the Sunshine Newspaper designed to bring a new hope into your lives.

And come July 24, 2013, who knows with your love, your support and your understanding, I shall be your MP again.

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Post by: Bourbon on April 26, 2013, 05:43:08 AM
Jack as rules
By Kevin Baldeosingh


RULE #1 Tiefing is okay if thief works hard: This is the rule expressed by the presenters and callers of Radio Jagriti, which says it is the voice of Hindus in Trinidad and Tobago. The argument of these representatives of Hinduism goes like this: 1. Warner has worked so hard as MP; 2. San Fernando East MP Patrick Manning is not representing his constituents; 3. therefore Warner should not have resigned as National Security Minister or UNC chairman.
Of course, Warner hasnt resigned as MP, so his constituents must be bothered about something else. As Hindus, they know the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals. In other words, it is okay for someone to set up eight false bank accounts to siphon funds, once they use that money get the UNC into government and then give away 0.001 per cent of what theyve taken to sycophants.
Exception: PNM crooks, since they tief without working hard.

RULE #2 If people like you, its okay to tief: Having purchased love and support and tongues, a thief should then be allowed to handle UNC funds and work in the organisation since ethics in public life is irrelevant once you have boot-lickers. This is the view of UNC vice-chairman and 102FM radio talk-show host Khadijah Ameen, who says, I dont know to what extent he intends to remain involved in the UNC, I look forward to hearing from him because there are people who love him dearly. Such standards may explain why Ms Ameens name appeared in 2011 on the list of persons who had failed to declare their assets with the Integrity Commission as required by law.
Exception: Andre Monteil and other PNM officials, since they werent liked by anyone except PNM hacks.

RULE #3 Only recent tiefing is tiefing: According to UNC councillor Carol Cuffie-Dowlath, Everything that we hear today is not new. What we have heard today has been in the public domain even before Warner became a minister. In other words, the UNC knew for years what Warner was up to and decided that this was exactly the kind of man the party needed. And the fact that evidence has only emerged after so many years to prove what everyone always knew means justice delayed should cancel justice: which, of course, is the same logic which informed Section 34.
Exception: This rule does not apply to PNM thieves, so Johnny OHalloran and Francis Prevatt remain proof that PNM is corrupt.

RULE #4 Innocent until proven innocent: Health Minister Fuad Khan has said Warner should not have resigned, but should have cleared himself of the allegations.
Now you may think Dr Khans argument is flawed, since Warner resigned from FIFA rather than facing its tribunal, and refused to respond to the charges by Concacaf Integrity Commission when invited to do so. But Dr Khan has advised his wife not to take up a post with the North-West Regional Health Authority because it would look bad, which means he finds Jack Warner looks better. But that can happen when your profession sees you specialising in urology.
Exception: This rule does not apply to PNM officials like Manning, Calder Hart, or Keith Rowley. In fact, in the case of Dr Rowley, the rule is that he is guilty despite being proved innocent.

RULE #5 New politics is sad: COP leader Prakash Ramadhar says Warners resignation is a sad occasion on a personal level. This means new politics is not happy when a politician who represents the worst qualities of a politician is forced out of office, perhaps because this will make citizens feel corrupt politicians have less chance of getting into office.
Exception: Any tief who doesnt contribute stolen money to the partys coffers.

RULE #6 High depends on how much you drink: According to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Mr Warner took the high ground, in the best Westminster tradition. That is the tradition which says deny, deny, deny until youre caught.
Exception: When PNM chairman and PNM Energy Minister Eric Williams did the same thing, this was just proof the PNM is corrupt.

RULE #7 Contradiction is not proof of lying: After spending weeks bad-talking the media for being stupid liars, Jack Warner, according to himself, resigned because he read a newspaper report saying the Prime Minister was stunned at the Concacaf report. In fact, according to Jack, he later confirmed the media had lied again, saying, But when I asked her if she said so, she said no. Yet he still didnt withdraw his resignation even though the reason he says he resigned no longer existed.
Exception: Anyone who contradicts UNC hacks, paid bloggers, and other sycophants.

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Post by: tempo on April 26, 2013, 05:56:46 AM
Jack as rules
By Kevin Baldeosingh


BRILLIANT!!!
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Post by: Sam on April 26, 2013, 06:37:27 AM
Kevin Baldeosingh is ah Boss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Bourbon on April 26, 2013, 07:12:48 AM
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 26, 2013, 07:33:25 AM
... the ends justify the means type argument. Also useful as applied by Bakr et al.
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Post by: weary1969 on April 26, 2013, 08:01:53 AM
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.

Why you think they believe in reincarnation Jack the first converted Hindu will just return as some lower form. I eh know how lower Jack could go.
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Post by: Dutty on April 26, 2013, 08:04:55 AM
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.

Religion mixin wit politics, never ah good combo

Ah well, at least we know why ppl still love him so
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Post by: Bourbon on April 26, 2013, 08:25:02 AM
When I read Rule Number 1 my jaw drop. I went and research the rationale...and...de man spot on. Hm.

Religion mixin wit politics, never ah good combo

Ah well, at least we know why ppl still love him so

Actually it inevitable. Because if your religion shapes your beliefs..then it would shape what you stand for or agree with. The issue really begins when you try to also shape that for others when they may not agree with it.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 08:54:42 AM
Jack pretending to be Hindu. To get votes. The man reminds of Pablo Escobar. Do good deeds to cover his dirty ways and gain support
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Post by: weary1969 on April 26, 2013, 08:58:57 AM
Jack pretending to be Hindu. To get votes. The man reminds of Pablo Escobar. Do good deeds to cover his dirty ways and gain support

The man is d first converted Hindu.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 09:03:18 AM
Jack pretending to be Hindu. To get votes. The man reminds of Pablo Escobar. Do good deeds to cover his dirty ways and gain support

The man is d first converted Hindu.

Ent
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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 09:37:24 AM
CNC3TV (@CNC3TV) tweeted at 11:22 AM on Fri, Apr 26, 2013:
Jack Warner's resignation letter. http://t.co/BUqhH8pPiQ
(https://twitter.com/CNC3TV/status/327804981845569539)

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Post by: Socapro on April 26, 2013, 10:06:08 AM
CNC3TV (@CNC3TV) tweeted at 11:22 AM on Fri, Apr 26, 2013:
Jack Warner's resignation letter. http://t.co/BUqhH8pPiQ
(https://twitter.com/CNC3TV/status/327804981845569539)


Now for the follow-up letters to all those he has stolen money from promising to pay it back by midnight of the Friday of the week in which those letters are sent out.   

We can anticipate a lot of letters, lets hope he still has the money and it all was not spent on the UNC election campaign. :beermug:
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Post by: Jah Gol on April 26, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.
This teefin my head .
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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 10:59:21 AM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.
This teefin my head .


Bullshit. This is what they teaching people?
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Post by: weary1969 on April 26, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, “Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.”
This teefin my head .


Bullshit. This is what they teaching people?

U want 2 strt a religious war now on the MB?
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Post by: Bourbon on April 26, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.
This teefin my head .


I thought was me alone yuh know!
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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 12:12:28 PM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, “Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.”
This teefin my head .


Bullshit. This is what they teaching people?

U want 2 strt a religious war now on the MB?

Keeping it real.
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Post by: Tallman on April 26, 2013, 12:20:57 PM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.
This teefin my head .


On the other hand, one should not misunderstand that a devotee in transcendental devotional service can act in all kinds of abominable ways; this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained. No one should take advantage of this verse and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.

http://vedabase.net/bg/9/30/
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Post by: weary1969 on April 26, 2013, 12:31:21 PM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, “Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.”
This teefin my head .


On the other hand, one should not misunderstand that a devotee in transcendental devotional service can act in all kinds of abominable ways; this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained. No one should take advantage of this verse and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.

http://vedabase.net/bg/9/30/

The short version of the story is that Sat etal need to wuk on the character Jack no amount of pooja you go to will make you a Hindu.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 01:52:38 PM
Nicole Dookie (@nicoledookie25) tweeted at 3:31 PM on Fri, Apr 26, 2013:
Warner tells the house he offered the PM his resignation two weeks ago and she refused
(https://twitter.com/nicoledookie25/status/327867581002293248)

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Post by: Jah Gol on April 26, 2013, 02:02:05 PM
Quote
the Bhagavadgita says, Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is considered to be holy because he has the right motives for his goals.
This teefin my head .


On the other hand, one should not misunderstand that a devotee in transcendental devotional service can act in all kinds of abominable ways; this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained. No one should take advantage of this verse and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.

http://vedabase.net/bg/9/30/
I read the same explanation in my research of it and I am left bewildered nonetheless. Unless there is something lost in translation as it says 'commits' and not 'committed' as in not past but present. Its difficult for me to read this as anything but there is no loss in status for the devoted regardless of their actions. But here is not place to discuss this. I done.
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Post by: Bakes on April 26, 2013, 05:21:33 PM
I read the same explanation in my research of it and I am left bewildered nonetheless. Unless there is something lost in translation as it says 'commits' and not 'committed' as in not past but present. Its difficult for me to read this as anything but there is no loss in status for the devoted regardless of their actions. But here is not place to discuss this. I done.

I doh think there's anything wrong or "off" with what it saying... as long as yuh "engaged in DEVOTIONAL SERVICE", and yuh motives proper... then even abominable missteps will be forgiven.  The key is that you must be doing what you doing as part of your devotional practice/observation of your faith and yuh heart must be in the right place... meaning it can't be anything done intentionally to bring forth the "abominable" outcome.  Also, bear in mind we are reading this out of context of the larger text.  My guess is that this is intended only to apply to the rare exceptions where people mean well and truly horrible things happen instead.
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Post by: Flex on April 26, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
http://transparencyinsportblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-thief-the-conman-and-the-ship-of-aussie-fools/

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Post by: D.H.W on April 26, 2013, 05:49:23 PM
http://transparencyinsportblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-thief-the-conman-and-the-ship-of-aussie-fools/

"It was time to return service. Many people are saying that a country that puts Jack Warner in charge of the police and army is a banana republic. Big explosion in small island. The host, a Mr Paul Richards, pulled the plug on me but I heard him howling at the nation, I will not have a foreigner calling my country a banana republic. Clue: Foreigner is the racist Warners code for White man. Hes used it against me in the past. The station, CNMG, is Trinidad government-owned and controlled. Welcome to Radio Pyongyang."

I hear that talk this morning. Didn't realize all that went down. Maybe Paul don't like to hear the truth.
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Post by: D.H.W on April 27, 2013, 04:18:45 AM
Warner file goes to DPP

EXPRESS TRINIDAD

Story Updated: Apr 26, 2013

THE police investigation into bribery allegations against former national security minister Jack Warner was submitted to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) on Thursday afternoon.

On Wednesday, Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP) Mervyn Richardson said the file would be sent to DPP Roger Gaspard SC within a weeks time.

 At 4 p.m. the next day, the file was submitted.

Warner, who this week resigned as Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, chairman of the United National Congress, and Minister of National Security, has been accused of bribing Caribbean Football Union (CFU) officials to support FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam at Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain on May 10, 2011. 

The Opposition Peoples National Movement (PNM), in June 2011, wrote to former police commissioner Dwayne Gibbs, calling for an investigation into the possible breach of the laws of Trinidad and Tobago, including the Exchange Control Act, the Customs Act and, generally, the criminal law relating to bribery. 

The file sent to the DPP is the second time that officers have submitted a file to the DPP in relation to Warner and the allegations of bribery.

 On the first occasion, Gaspard advised that the police take their investigation along the lines of the Customs Act.  

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Post by: D.H.W on April 27, 2013, 04:25:09 AM
Rowley: Dont spare Warner.
T&T Express Reports.


Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley yesterday called on the Government to ensure former national security minister Jack Warner faces local authorities with respect to the findings of the Concacaf Integrity Committee report, which stated he was fraudulent in his management of the football body.

Rowley said the Sir David Simmons report should be forwarded to the police, the Integrity Commission and the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Rowley was speaking in Parliament on a private motion which takes issue with the Prime Ministers failure to take appropriate action to protect the image of this country, which was damaged by Warners actions.

He criticised Warner as a man who was answerable to no one and who has now projected himself as a man who is the victim of a bad decision by the Prime Minister.

Rowley said it was common knowledge today that FIFA is one of the most corrupt organisations in the world and, fortunately, there is now pressure for it to clean up its act.

Unfortunately for us, the poster boy for FIFA corruption resided up until a day or two ago in the Cabinet of Trinidad and Tobago...thank God almighty we have been relived of that as of two days ago, said Rowley, adding that this has been a monkey on our back for years.

Rowley stressed that because Warners private business took place in the past, it was no excuse for it to be ignored today.

Fraud is a crime for which there is no statute of limitation and that means if it took us until now to find out that public monies did not go where it was intended to go and was not used for the purpose which it was intended, its as fresh as a daisy, he said.

If the Government of Trinidad and Tobago does not do that today, it will further confirm in the minds of the people of Trinidad and Tobago and the world that the cabal that runs this country is only pretending and giving lip service to the concept of morality in public affairs.

The Concacaf report, said Rowley, contains findings that wrongs were committed by Warner against Trinidad and Tobago.

It meant that public monies which the Cabinet of this country appropriated to the sporting fraternity for use in the TTFF (Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation), the audit is now showing that those monies leaked quite profusely into the private corporate entities of our colleague from Chaguanas West, said Rowley.

Warner, who arrived late, at 1.55 p.m., took Rowley to task, asking him to quote exactly which part of the report states this.

I will give way so the member (Warner) can get up and say that nowhere in the report of Sir David Simmons is there any reference to the fact that monies provided by the Ministry of Sport to the TTFF end up in a LOC (Local Organising Committee) where he controls, said Rowley as House Speaker Wade Mark told him to continue.

In fact, Rowley said, he had first-hand knowledge of all of this as he confessed that he, as a member of the former Peoples National Movement (PNM) government, was duped by Warner in 2006.

That year, he said, the Cabinet was in euphoria over this countrys footballers heading to the FIFA World Cup in Germany.

The Cabinet, he said, had agreed without hesitation to provide public funding for the team to go to the World Cup.

My colleague from Chaguanas West was out in the open, shouting loudly that the Government must put in $200 million in the process.

Rowley said he was a member of a sub-committee of Cabinet that oversaw the relationship between this offer from the Cabinet and the TTFF. Warner was asked to bring a budget and whatever he could not fund, the State would provide.

Rowley said he and the Cabinet were made to believe the Local Organising Committee was under TTFF control.

Mr Speaker, I was duped. I accepted that as the state of play until Mr Speaker, I saw a lawsuit going through the local courts, said Rowley.

Noting the recent Concacaf report, Rowley said: I am seeing that the money ended up in a LOC controlled by the TTFF but by persons in their private corporate capacity.

Rowley said Warner had full opportunity to deny all these allegations made against him by Concacafs Integrity Committee, headed by Simmons, but he chose arrogantly and bombastically to tell David Simmons where to shove it.

Rowley described Warner as a man who listens to no one and who was allowed power even when he was not in public life.

He said in the early days of the UNC Government, there was a plan to build four stadiums to host the 2001 Under-17 World Cup and at that time Warner was a private official.

Rowley said he went to a birthday party at Ellerslie Plaza, Maraval, where Warner got up in front of more than 100 people and said he had awarded the contract for the project management of this initiative.

I saw cheques written to contractors, Mr Speaker, for those projects, signed by him, addressed from his house in Arouca, said Rowley as he questioned how public business was conducted in this way.

Rowley stressed that this problem with Warner could have been avoided as he reminded that the Opposition had warned the Government about appointing Warner to the Cabinet.

When you put him (Warner) in the Cabinet, you knew he was as crooked as cork screw, said Rowley, adding that his beef with Warner was not a personal one, but one of public interest.

I have no personal vendetta, no personal animosity for the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, but I am duty-bound to examine and monitor his actions with respect to the business of the people of Trinidad and Tobago.

Rowley took time to point out that in other jurisdictions such as New Zealand, India, Japan, Uganda and England, swift action was taken when public officials were in the wrong.

He criticised Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for turning a blind eye to continuous allegations against Warner.

Persad-Bissesar, said Rowley, should have been in Parliament to defend herself and debate his motion instead of departing the country for an official visit to Canada at a time of political instability.

He noted that Warner, at his public meeting in Chaguanas on Thursday night, expressed his love and affection for the Prime Minister and told the country she was ill-advised by certain ministers.

Warner, said Rowley, painted himself as hapless victim of decisions made by a cabal.

Rowley pointed out that Warner himself disclosed that when he confronted the Prime Minister over a media report, which stated that she was stunned by the findings of the Concacaf report and she will take action when she returned to Trinidad from the United States, she denied it.

Warners disclosure, said Rowley, tells the country the Prime Minister cannot face him and own up to simple matters.

Rowley said further the Prime Minister said publicly that she made her decision to accept Warners resignation after meeting State Department officials in the US and after meticulously examining the facts.

Even as the Prime Minister has taken action to protect the country and the Cabinet of Trinidad and Tobago, he (Warner) is saying that this is a wrong action, said Rowley.

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Post by: Flex on April 27, 2013, 04:29:13 AM
Roodal upset by Jacks criticism of PM
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


Dangerous ground

Dangerous ground. UNC deputy leader Roodal Moonilal has said ex-minister Jack Warner did not consult the party about resigning his Chaguanas West seat and is now treading on dangerous ground, after veiled criticisms of the Prime Minister on Thursday night. Moonilal said Warners issues were not about representation of his seat, but other matters facing him. Winning Chaguanas West doesnt automatically mean entering the Cabinet, Moonilal said.

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday declined to comment on Warners latest statements and actions, saying she was not privy to what was said during Warners public meeting in Chaguanas on Thursday. Contacted in Canada, where she is on Government business, the Prime Minister said she had not yet seen Warners statements and could not comment. She said she will be returning home today. Attorney General Anand Ramlogan also steered clear of commenting.

And while some Cabinet members support Warners actions, others do not. Warner on Thursday had said some of his colleagues support him. UNC Mayaro MP Winston Peters and La Brea MP Clifton De Couteau were present at his Chaguanas meeting on Thursday. Peters hugged him before and after his delivery. At the end of that speech, Warner told constituents he was stepping down as MP at midnight last night, but said he hoped he would be allowed to contest, under the UNC, the by-election that would be due in 90 days.

Moonilal said yesterday he wished Warner the best, adding: The party will meet and discuss this. He hasnt consulted us. This will trigger a by-election in one of our safest seats. He said if Warner is interested in contesting, he will be screened as would any other nominees who might arise. Moonilal said UNC had a screening process which will have to play out.

The PNM has no gains in this as its a safe UNC seat and because of that, I dont believe there would be any nominees, he said. Moonilal said he expected the by-election would be around the same time the local government election season begins, since the latters term ends in July. He said while he understood Warner was trying to validate his position as MP, there was never any doubt about his representation or his popularity in his constituency.

On the Concacaf issue for instance, Moonilal said if Warner had information to support his case he should have assisted the Sir David Simmons Concacaf probe with this. Moonilal said instead, material was produced at the Chaguanas meeting and was read out by a lady and not all was seen...it was surreal. He said there were other outstanding issues facing Warner besides the Concacaf integrity report.

He noted the police probe of the Caribbean Football Union issue with Mohammed Bin Hammam, in which Warner was accused of offering members bribes for votes in the Fifa election at the Hyatt Regency, and police probe of the revamped Flying Squad issue. He said Warner had also indicated one of his children was questioned by US authorities. And theres a serial by a daily paper about him. If someone was writing about me like that Id sue them, Moonilal said.

So clearly the issue isnt about Chaguanas West, and if he contests and wins, great, but whats next? he said, noting Warners other issues. Moonilal said there may also be concern about possible abuse of the Parliament by resigning a seat to contest it to win it simply to prove a particular point. Asked about Warners claim of three ministers misleading the PM last Sunday, he said when Warner left that meeting there were more than three ministers around.

Moonilal said: His statements imply veiled criticism of the Prime Minister, making it sound like she keeps changing her mind and cant make decisions. But everyone knows the Prime Minister has sound political judgment, so I think he may be treading on dangerous ground with veiled criticism of the leader. He said the Prime Minister gives directions and in this case, as PP House leader, 99 per cent of the decisions are hers.

He felt the PM was being perceived as weak since society was accustomed to maximum leaderships like the (Eric) Williams, (Basdeo) Panday and (Patrick) Manning administrations. Moonilal also said he did not instruct CNMG not to carry Warners meeting, as Warner claimed during the meeting.

UNC deputy leader Suruj Rambachan said: I didnt hear Mr Warners statements, I had gone to a Ramayan. I have nothing against Jack...hes the best judge of what hes doing and if what hes doing is in the PPs best interests. He added: The  party is bigger than any one person so we wait to see what happens, (but) every action has a reaction.

Rambachan also said he did not instruct CNMG not to carry Warners meeting, adding he was not communications minister. UNC Chaguanas East MP Stephen Cadiz, whose seat borders Warners, said he supported the Prime Minister and the Government. He added: Jack is free to do what he wants. But we have an elected Government headed by the Prime Minister and I support that. I cant support two sets of people.

Acknowledging the situation is challenging, Cadiz said there would always be challenges in coalition governments. De Coteau said immediately after Warner spoke, he had hoped Warner would not complete his course of action, adding he felt serious mediation was needed now. Peters said yesterday he was supportive of Warner and his candidacy. He said the PP should support Warners candidacy as he had done the democratic thing and did what some believed was the right thing to doresign. 

He said he did not see why some should be surprised Warner had done so. He declined comment on Warners accusations of colleagues being against him.

Title: Jack describes rise to power.
Post by: Flex on April 27, 2013, 04:35:06 AM
Jack describes rise to power.
By Stephon Nicholas (Newsday).


JACK Warner, former CONCACAF president, on Thursday evening gave an insight into the power he once wielded in FIFA, the governing body for the worlds most popular sport.

The 70-year-old, who was speaking at a constituency meeting in Charlieville, also expounded on the internal politics of FIFA especially around election time.

Warner, who assumed presidency of CONCACAF on April 6, 1990, revealed that he quickly rose through the ranks to become the second highest sporting personality in the FIFA by 1998.

The source of his power, though, lay in his ability to increase CONCACAFs membership and as a result its ability to be a defining factor during voting time at FIFA elections.

I became powerful as the CONCACAF president because I was able to increase the membership of the Caribbean Football Union of which I was also president from 1974 to 2011 into a strong fighting unit to the point where the CFU had 28 out of 40 members in the CONCACAF, Warner explained.

The ex-Minister of National Security noted that during the period 1992 to 2011, no other president of any Confederation brought more countries to FIFA than he did because he was of the view that to expand the beautiful game of football there was need for a paradigm change where even small territories such as Anguilla and Aruba, BVI and USVI and even the Cayman Islands should be included. I never had an elitist policy. As president, my goal was to include and embrace every island state, he declared.

By increasing FIFAs membership, Warner simultaneously bolstered his own power as CONCACAF president with his ability to sway its members to vote as one and greatly influence decision-making in FIFA.

Read More (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/12393-jack-describes-rise-to-power.html)

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Post by: asylumseeker on April 27, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ...  and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.
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Post by: TdotTrini on April 27, 2013, 07:08:42 AM
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ...  and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.

Care to expand on that?
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Post by: royal on April 27, 2013, 07:46:41 AM
all dis meandering ain't going nowhere.Two things for sure. Warner ain't leaving T&T to visit his sons any time soon and if Warner is charge with anything it will be through the US and not Trinidad.   
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Post by: Tallman on April 27, 2013, 07:50:45 AM
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Post by: D.H.W on April 27, 2013, 07:51:56 AM
If PNM wins next election, he can be investigated, since it look like PP doh care
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Post by: D.H.W on April 27, 2013, 07:52:12 AM
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yuck
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Post by: Bourbon on April 27, 2013, 06:13:46 PM
Roodal upset by Jacks criticism of PM
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


Dangerous ground


The PNM has no gains in this as its a safe UNC seat and because of that, I dont believe there would be any nominees, he said. Moonilal said he expected the by-election would be around the same time the local government election season begins, since the latters term ends in July. He said while he understood Warner was trying to validate his position as MP, there was never any doubt about his representation or his popularity in his constituency.






Dis just for the people who had some kinda delusional hope that in the next general elections it would be 41-0. Dey KNOW that dey eh losing that seat. Issues notwithstanding. Now...the cause for that would be what? I'd like to especially hear from Sat Maharaj his viewpoint on it.
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Post by: King Deese on April 27, 2013, 07:10:29 PM
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Homer Simpson, you are one fugly motherf#@ker. I know what you are thinking.
Damn, these people think my tears are for them but shit look at what my situation has become. Everybody thinks I am a crook and they are right. How much prison time is this worth? Damn, should I hang myself or what? What will they think of me then?
Who will give me asylum when the shit hits the fan? Maybe North Korea. I could develop dey football program too. There is hope yet. I wonder if Maureen go leave meh? Damn, she probably seeing somebody else already. Everybody go laugh at meh.
Damn, the FBI, IRS, INTERPOL, SCOTLAND YARD, CFU, CONCACAF, TTFF, well, no, not them, meh puppet in charge, FIFA, dah fella suing meh for $1.2 million. Ah wonder who else boi. AFF. Not to mention dem 13 Musketeers. Damn, f@#king Oliver and Dick retarded. Well, maybe Osama Ben Hamman, go look out for meh. Maybe, ah go go England. David go forgive meh.
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 Oh gawd, this is too much for ah old fart like me. Right, right, pull yourself together Austin, at the end ah dee day, time to give yuh speech. Whapen to you boi, I am Jack Austin Warner, allyuh ack like yuh know. Yuh fadda here in dee house. Beearch
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Post by: weary1969 on April 27, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
UNC denies funding by stolen money
By Asha Javeed
 
The United National Congress (UNC) has dismissed the suggestion that its activities are funded by stolen money.

The political party issued a media statement yesterday, in response to an article which was published in the Trinidad Express on April 24 titled: Balgobin: Stolen $ may have funded the campaign.

In that article, on page four of Wednesdays Express, Independent Senator Dr Rolph Balgobin, in discussing the Concacaf report by its Integrity Committee, was quoted as saying: If what is said in there is even half true, and if it is also half true that one of the central figures in the report actually bailed out and assisted a number of ministers and paid for ... electoral campaign then you would have come to Government with stolen money.

On Thursday night, at a meeting in Chaguanas, former UNC chairman Jack Warner told supporters how he helped re-build the party after he was invited to be a part of it by its former political leader Basdeo Panday.

Warner acted as both a strategist and financier for the party.

For his part, Panday last week said he regretted bringing Warner into politics.

In its statement, the UNC, whose political leader is Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, said: This is an extremely unfortunate conclusion based on inaccurate premises and unsubstantiated allegation. The United National Congress reiterates that it rejects completely this allegation of Independent Senator Balgobin.

Following the Concacaf Report, Warner resigned from his posts as national security minister, UNC chairman and Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West.

Warner hopes to reclaim the Chaguanas West seat in a by-election on a UNC ticket.
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 27, 2013, 09:07:32 PM
The next Opposition move should be to "call for" a UNC nominee other than Jack.
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Post by: Coach on April 27, 2013, 10:13:56 PM
Back in the 80's & 90's when he was building his empire can you imagine where our football would be today if those $$ was injected into our youth development programs! Sadist!
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Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2013, 11:22:05 PM
Back in the 80's & 90's when he was building his empire can you imagine where our football would be today if those $$ was injected into our youth development programs! Sadist!

I think we could have been regularly up there with Mexico & USA in CONCACAF for World Cup qualifying & could have seen at least a couple more senior World Cups.
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Post by: Richard G. on April 28, 2013, 01:59:17 AM
I do think even Sepp Blatter will be probed too. FIFA watch out.

Lucky Warner.
A very lucky Jack: Part VII of a Special Investigation
By Camini Marajh: Head Investigative Desk


How lucky can a Jack get?

Well, if the Jack in question has the last name Warner, stupendously lucky.

Not only does he get cash gifts of $60 million from party financiers, he gets debt forgiveness on a US$6 million Centre of Excellence (CoE) construction loan; another US$20 million worth of investments in the CoE from the world football governing body, FIFA; maintenance money for his CoE acquisition of US$50,000 a month from Concacaf, the body which represents football federations from North and Central America and the Caribbean of which he was president; and miscellaneous cash gifts from Australia and other countries bidding to secure lucrative and prestigious World Cup hosting gains.

And while United National Congress (UNC) party financier Krishna Lalla contends that the $60 million was a loan to be repaid and the Sir David Simmons-led Concacaf Integrity Committee has made findings of criminal fraud in relation to some of the big ticket CoE items, Warner has remained resolute in his claim that they were cash gifts meant for his personal benefit.

Warner has presented conflicting accounts of the circumstances surrounding these so-called CoE gifts, last Thursday pulling private correspondence he refused to share with the Simmons enquiry out of his political hat at a public meeting with adoring Chaguanas West constituents as proof that former FIFA president Joao Havelange had gifted the CoE to him and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), of which he was president.

There are several problems with Warners various and conflicting accounts.

In the case of the UNC party financier, he initially branded him a liar, telling his then political leader Basdeo Panday that he never received any money from Lalla.

As reported previously in this series, Warner recanted his story when Lalla filed a lawsuit to get back his money. The new version, Warner told Panday, was that the cash gift was $30 million and not $60 million. Lalla had sued for recovery of the cheque payments only, which was about $30 million.

Another major hurdle in the Warner credibility chart is his Havelange story.

The private letters he produced as proof of a gift do not specifically match the interpretation he has placed on it. Further, legal experts counter that even if Havelange did in fact give the CoE at Macoya as a gift to Warner, he did not have the authority to give away a corporate asset.

Legal experts say Havelange cannot give away an asset that is not his to give and the absence of FIFA board minutes and other documents tell its own story about Warners claim of the fabulously-expensive real estate gift.

The Simmons Report also detailed a slew of fraudulent Warner dealings in relation to the CoE.

As reported in the April 17 installment of this series, Warner and his accountant-in-chief Kenny Rampersad had listed the CoE, named after Havelange, as a freehold asset on the balance sheet of the regions ruling football body.

The Express series raised questions about the Rampersad-audited Concacaf financial statements and the apparent material misrepresentation of an asset described as freehold property to which Warner held legal title.

The Rampersad-audited accounts showed the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence as an asset on the books of Concacaf from inception in the late 90s right up to 2010. The Simmons report found that far from being an accounting oversight, it was intent to deceive.
Investigations by this newspaper show, however, that it was a deception known to Zurich.

FIFA insiders say Sepp Blatter, Warners former close pal and the man he fraudulently helped elect as FIFA president in a bid-rigging scheme more than a decade ago, knew about the CoE scam.

FIFA board minutes show that Blatter defended Warners many financial improprieties and ran interference to requests for censure from some FIFA Executive Committee (ExCo) members.

As reported in the April 17 installment, the CoE was not only listed as an asset on the books of Concacaf, it was billing the Confederation for use of its facilities. It was very clearly stated in black and white that Concacaf derived no income from its freehold property in Trinidad and instead was paying hundreds of thousands of US dollars to Warner for use of the sprawling sporting complex paid for with FIFA money.

The financial statements in which Rampersad played both a bookkeeper and auditor role, showed a one-way money flow to Warner.

And as with almost everything else in the halcyon Warner-Blatter days, no questions were asked and no explanations provided.
Warner described Blatter as a great leader. Blatter called him: A wonderful and loyal friend. From all accounts, it was a mutually-rewarding relationship, the two men made very rich deals and, up until early 2011, they had each others back.

Blatter gave a US$1 million gift to Concacaf to spend as it chose. Persons familiar with the situation say the money went to Warner. And as Warner himself would admit in the wake of the 2011 tsunami break-up between the former football allies, Blatter provided many gifts over the years, including to all members of the Caribbean football bodies.

He said gift giving was a part of FIFAs culture. It was in the FIFA DNA.

In a startling statement carried in a live international broadcast on Sportsmax and local TV stations, Warner, on Thursday night, admitted his role in a 1998 vote-rigging scheme to ensure Blatters victory in FIFAs presidential race.

In a public admission of fraud, Warner told how Vincy Jalal, the girlfriend of Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaica Football Federation, cast a proxy vote for Haiti and shouted oui during the roll-call of delegates.

He said Blatter won the FIFA presidency on the strength of his (Warners) vote-scheming.

Persons with knowledge of the situation told a more sinister tale of the then Haiti Football Association president, Dr Jean-Marie Kyss, being detained in Haiti on the instruction of the then Secretary of Sport at a time of political turmoil.

Kyss passport was seized but he got out desperate calls to Warner and former general secretary of Concacaf, Chuck Blazer, briefing them on the situation and his inability to make the scheduled Paris Congress.

And while FIFAs rules do not permit proxy voting, Warner, a former Blatter general, told the huge meeting of party supporters on Thursday that Blatter was one of the most hated football officials at the time and were it not for Concacafs support, he would never have seen the light of day as FIFA president.

He said: With Blatters permission, I got Captain Burrells girlfriend to vote as the Haitian delegate by saying oui! when Haitis name was called. In 1998 therefore, I had delivered and since then I emerged the second highest sporting personality in FIFA.

Warner did not say whether his No. 2 standing in the Blatter-run House of FIFA was connected to the 1998 vote-rigging scheme, but he was clear that the two had much in common and a mutual admiration for each other.

His change of loyalty to a wealthy Qatari by the name of Mohamed bin Hammam created a tectonic shift on the FIFA playing field.

New alliances were formed, old friendships came undone and tsunami threats were being unleashed in the full glare of rolling TV cameras. The former football allies had come to the end game, each desperately fighting to score, each waiting to offload their own truck-load of dirty secrets.

In Wednesdays Express, some of those secrets are revealed.

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Post by: royal on April 28, 2013, 04:08:31 AM
a former MP hoping to contest a bye-elections soon admitting he rig FIFA votes in '98? ......... dangerous
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Post by: Flex on April 28, 2013, 05:09:22 AM
Anil Roberts calls for study of Concacaf report.
T&T Guardian Reports.

 
Sports Minister Anil Roberts is calling for the Law Association of T&T or independent minds to go through the Concacaf report, which accused Jack Warner of committing fraud.

The DAbadie/OMeara MP feels that certain things in the report do not sit right and needed opinions of attorneys or independent individuals. Roberts was delivering his contribution on a private motion of the Prime Ministers failure to deal expeditiously with Warner, on Friday in Parliament.
 
He said the report had nothing to do with the use of T&Ts funds. I am going to ask the law association and independent people to go through this (report) to see if whether it was fair and constitute findings.

If this report, as stated here, is also unchallenged by the member for Chaguanas West, the former Concacaf president and there are gaps in the information, then we want to know, as it is a public document.
 
Roberts said none of the 38 witnesses testimonies was crossed examined. We were not even told who the witnesses were. Is that evidence? Roberts said the report fails to sit with the laws of natural justice and due process.

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Post by: Flex on April 28, 2013, 05:11:37 AM
I never abused my powerJack.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Jack Warner has resigned from being a Cabinet minister, Member of Parliament and UNC chairman. The following is a continuation of his speech which was delivered during a Straight Talk meeting in Felicity on Thursday night.

This has nothing to do with anything wrong that I have done or failed to do in my country. This is a strategy crafted by some conspiratorial cowards who see Jack Warner as an obstacle to their ambitions, both at home and abroad.
 
The Centre of Excellence issue is just a smoke screen; but if that is where they want to end then that is where I will begin tonight. On April 6, 1990, I was elected president of Concacaf and I assumed office in July some three months later. This is the only time I can recall that Fifa deferred the installation of a president of any confederation for three months.
 
Another time I will tell you the reason why. I became powerful as the Concacaf president because I was able to increase the membership of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), of which I was also president from 1974 to 2011, into a strong fighting unit to the point where the CFU had 28 out of 40 members in the Concacaf. As the president of the CFU with 28 out of 40 members in the Concacaf, I held a position and a level of power, which I never abused.
 
In fact when I became president of Concacaf I was given a table, two chairs and $40,000 to work with from the old administration. When I resigned from Concacaf there was some $37 million in the bank, three offices, and unmeasured goodwill. I recall when I first became Concacaf president for months we could not pay the rent and it was Chucks wife who had to pay it for us.
 
I also recall that we could not pay for an audit of the financial records we inherited and it was Kenny Rampersad & Co who did our audit free of charge for years. Kenny, wherever you are, I want to sincerely apologise for whatever pain or embarrassment you and your firm are now experiencing for having associated with Concacaf.
 
During the period 1992 to 2011, no other president of any confederation brought more countries to Fifa than I did because I was of the view that to expand the beautiful game of football there was need for a paradigm change where even small territories such Anguilla and Aruba, BVI and USVI and even the Cayman Islands should be included. I never had an elitist policy.
 
As president, my goal was to include and embrace every island state. It is informative to note that the old Concacaf had refused the Cayman Islands membership three times before I became its president. And when I became president of Concacaf in 1990, two years later I made Cayman Islands a member of Concacaf and of Fifa. And today, that very same president of Cayman Islands is the president of Concacaf, though he may have conveniently forgotten how he came to be there.
 
You would remember that prior to 1996 Caribbean football teams were the butt of international ridicule. No one took us seriously. They laughed at us. They humiliated us on and off the field. Our teams were beaten six-nil, four-nil and 12-nil by Central American and North American countries. And by 1996 I couldnt take it anymore. I decided that something had to be done to improve the quality of football in the Caribbean.
 
So I went to Dr Joao Havelange, who was the president of Fifa, and I asked him for a $6 million US loan to open a Centre of Excellence in T&T so that I could lift the level of football in the Caribbean and ultimately the Concacaf. I also decided then that I would use my influence to increase the Concacaf allocation of slots for the Fifa World Cup from one half of what it was then to three and one half what it is today.
 
Dr Havelange was very sympathetic to me and to my cause. He agreed to provide me with the loan and he so instructed the then Fifa general secretary Sepp Blatter on or about 1997 to proceed accordingly. By 1997, I had taken the loan and I bought the premises of Metal Box and Lever Brothers through two companies which I formed and I also bought lands from Tricon.
 
But having now bought the land there was nothing I could have done in terms of structure and therefore I went back to Dr Havelange and told him first of all I want the loan to be converted into a granta donationand then I would want his help in terms of getting a structure in place. Dr Havelanges help to me had not been unusual but I would say more about that later.
 
So on May 4, 1998, Dr Havelange wrote me and told me that he had found an external solution to convert the loan into a donation.  I have here the letter from Dr Havelange and you can follow on the screens as I ask that the letter be now read to you. Notice the date May 4, 1998.
 
On May 14, 1998, ten days later, I wrote Dr Havelange, thanking him for the external solution he had found to assist me with the construction of the Centre of Excellence. There is an error in the year of the referenced letter, which should have been 1998 and not 1996.
 
But notwithstanding that, lets read: Again, by letter dated May 26, 1998, I wrote to Dr Havelange thanking him for converting the Fifa loan into a gift to the CFU and Jack Warner. On May 29, 1998, Dr Havelange responded by letter expressing his thanks. You may quite rightly ask why all this flurry of letters in the month of May 1998. Well I will tell you. Blatter was Havelanges candidate to succeed him for the Fifa presidency.
 
Blatter had been at this time the most hated Fifa official by both the European and African confederations and without my Concacaf support at the Fifa elections, Blatter would never have seen the light of day as president of Fifa. I told Havelange that, through him, Blatter will get Concacafs total support and Bin Hammam also said the same day thing though at the time he did not have Asias 100 per cent support as I had with the Concacaf. Votamos como un bloque, I told my Central American colleagues.
 
In 1997, Havelange came to Antigua for the Shell Umbro Cup and in an invitation meeting at St James Club, Antigua, again reiterated his request to me. Again I promised him Concacafs total support. Then and there he began to count Blatters votes and said that if Concacaf supported Blatter he will win by thirty votes. Concacaf at the time had 30 voting members. The Fifa presidential elections were held in Paris on June 8, 1998. I will now ask that the results of that election be read.
 
Fifty-first Fifa congress in Paris in 1998. After 24 years in office, Havelange decides not to stand for re-election. The congress elects Joseph Blatter as his successor. Rival Lennart Johansson withdraws after Blatter has gained 111 votes to Johanssons 80 after the first ballot. Joao Havelange becomes a Fifa honorary president. Joseph S Blatter, president of soccers world international governing body, the Federation Internationale de Football Association (Fifa), soccers world governing body.
 
Mr Blatter was elected at the 51st ordinary Fifa Congress on June 8, 1998, in Paris, defeating his opponent in the presidential election, Mr Lennart Johansson, by 111:80 votes. Before being elected Fifa president, Mr Blatter was general secretary of Fifa. Mr Blatter was appointed to this position in November 1981 after a distinguished career in business and sport, and was chief executive officer since 1990. Havelange was off by one! Blatter had defeated Johanssen by 31 votes instead of 30!
 
An interesting development at that Congress was that Haiti was absent and with Blatters permission, I got Captain Horace Burrells (of Jamaica) girlfriend to vote as the Haitian delegate by saying, Oui! when Haitis name was called. In 1998, therefore, I had delivered and since then I emerged the second highest sporting personality in the Fifa.
 
1. I was placed on six out of 11 committees; 2. I was the chairman of two and the deputy chairman of two, one being the prestigious finance committee of the Fifa; 3. Trinidad and Tobago was given the seat to host the Under-17 2001 World Cup, and 4. Additional financial assistance was given for the further construction of the Centre of Excellence.

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Post by: asylumseeker on April 28, 2013, 06:21:47 AM
Tdot, I will respond later today ...
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Post by: asylumseeker on April 28, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
The next Opposition move should be to "call for" a UNC nominee other than Jack.

Typically a political party does not wish to be perceived as meddling in the internal affairs of another political party, but, in the instant case, there is a defensible rationale for doing so because of the dimensions of this situation.

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Post by: Bakes on April 28, 2013, 09:58:08 AM
Anil Roberts calls for study of Concacaf report.
T&T Guardian Reports.

 
Sports Minister Anil Roberts is calling for the Law Association of T&T or independent minds to go through the Concacaf report, which accused Jack Warner of committing fraud.

Ent he say he come from ah family of lawyers?  Why he doh aks he family and dem to go thru it?
Title: Jack Warner Had No Choice
Post by: coache on April 28, 2013, 01:18:13 PM
Mr Warner had no choice but to resign.
 Because of the pressure from the US State Department on the Govt of Trinidad and Tobago, the Prime minister had to accept Mr Warner's resignation.
The relationship between Trinidad and Tobago and the US is a cordial one and the investigation by the
 FBI and IRS is serious and could affect relations.
 If Mr Warner didn't step down, it would appear to be contemptuous. Mr Warner is also the man in charge of National Security of a Democratic state and  in these turbulent times any breach  in integrity would also mean that National Security is compromised. He had to resign.
Yankee don't play games with tax evasion.
Title: Re: Jack Warner Had No Choice
Post by: Dumplingdinho on April 28, 2013, 01:23:08 PM
jack will rise again... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner Had No Choice
Post by: asylumseeker on April 28, 2013, 01:42:08 PM
He could have said "no". However, that would have lead to him being dismissed. Such an outcome wouldn't have been helpful to his charade or the PP/UNC's interests.

I don't know that any of the decision-making involved over-reaching by the US gov't or through any implicit encroachment of sovereignty via US action.

What lasting political capital is gained by protecting Mr. Warner? At some point, we will arrive at the end of the consequence tunnel.

He didn't have to step down. However, the way things have panned out now have placed him in a stronger position than if he had been fired.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Brownsugar on April 28, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
jack will rise raise again... :rotfl: :rotfl:

Ah fix it for you..... ;D
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Bourbon on April 28, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
PM: Jack Must Clear Name First (http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-04-29/pm-jack-must-clear-name-first)
By Richard Lord (T&T Guardian).


IM NO ONES PUPPET

Making it clear that no one controls her, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on Saturday night rejected the contention of former minister Jack Warner that some members of the Cabinet influenced her to accept his resignation. She made this clear during a news conference at Piarco International Airport on her return from an official visit to Canada. 

Many people in T&T say she was controlled by Mr Warner, the Prime Minister said. I dont know if it is because I am a woman and people think that I am weak or something, so I was controlled by Mr Warner and I was his puppet, and now they say I am controlled by some other persons, Persad-Bissessar said. I want to make it very clear, the only people who control me are those who belong to the electorate, the citizenry of T&T, no one else.

Responding to questions on Fridays resignation of Warner as MP, Persad-Bissessar said she accepted his resignation based on the findings of the Sir David Simmons-led Concacaf Integrity Committee. Persad-Bissessar said that report influenced her to accept Warners resignation as national security ministers a week ago. She also said Warners claim that her decision to accept his resignation was influenced by certain ministers was not true and that he was contradicting himself.

Persad-Bissessar said she read in the newspapers where Warner says that he voluntarily resigned, but on the other hand he is saying that some ministers forced me, made me accept the resignation. She said his claim was an oxymoron because you cannot have (say) that you voluntarily did this and then accuse ministers of influencing my mind as to what is to be done.

The Simmons report, delivered at the recent Concacaf congress in Panama, concluded that the associations former leaders, Warner and former general secretary Charles Chuck Blazer, were fraudulent in their management of the body. The report noted that Warner had failed to disclose that the US$25.9 million (17m) Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence was built on his land, while Blazer received US$20 million (13.3m) from Concacaf.

Warner had claimed the response from both within and outside the party in the wake of the report led to his ultimate resignation. On Saturday, the PM also confirmed that last week Sunday was not the first time Warner had offered his resignation. She said he also did so shortly after a Reuters report claimed he was being investigated by the FBI and IRS and that his son was co-operating with US authorities in the probe. She said she advised Warner then to respond to the report.

He did so then and he said he is willing to resign from any or all of those positions. At that time I did not accept his resignation because I still held the view that I could not act on newspaper allegations, Persad-Bissessar said.

Asked if her discussion with a US official in Washington days after that incident influenced her decision to accept Warners latest resignation, she said: What happened thereafter, what was different to two weeks ago to last Sunday when I accepted the resignation, was the report by a very eminent jurist (Sir David Simmons, chairman of the Concacaf Integrity Committee).

So this was no longer a newspaper report, an opinion of journalists, not that I have anything against those, but every Monday morning somebody makes an allegation...do I then fire a minister, asking him to step down. We dont operate like that. I dont think any Government can operate like that because allegations do not represent what may be the reality.

She added: It was the report presented by former (Barbados) Chief Justice Simmons and others who put their report forward and I felt in all of the circumstances I would want to accept that offer of resignation. That is what changed in that period of time. The PM said she felt Warners resignation now offered him an opportunity to clear his name.

She said she also did not understand why when Sir David Simmons was doing his investigations, Mr Warner did not put out his side of the story, because I read in the report that he did not co-operate and I was concerned about that. Why? Why didnt he? she asked of Warners refusal to respond to the allegations before the commission.

If he had further information that was different, I found it a little surprising that he did not use the opportunity to put those forward and perhaps now he has a little more time in which he could put his case on his side to these matters in the public domain.

Asked if she would also allow Warner to contest the forthcoming by-election on a UNC ticket as he desires to, Persad-Bissessar said the former minister will have to go through the normal party process. She said she was not prepared to say more on the matter, adding the party will decide on it in due course.

It is not only an issue about the seat, because we all know Mr Warner has been a very good MP but there were other issues which came into the pot and into the mix and those still remain not yet dealt with and still outstanding and swirling around. So we see the way forward and put God in front and do what is right, she said.

Persad-Bissessar was met at the airport by Labour Minister Errol McLeod, who acted in her absence, Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal, Works and Local Government Minister Dr Surujrattan Rambachan and others.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Jah Gol on April 29, 2013, 06:10:05 AM
Right through the debates government MPs were talking about concacaf, FIFA and the TTFF . This is precisely why Rowley was right on not including Warner in the cabinet, his bacchanal became the government and the country's own. This is the worst case scenario that was all too preventable. It's a shame that our parliament needs to 'study' a concacaf report.

Now the Prime Minister is saying jack need to clear his name. They are ones saying that these allegations have been around for years . So apparently it wasn't necessary for him to clear his name before. Jokers, all of them !
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: asylumseeker on April 29, 2013, 06:11:55 AM
... but what consequence will they suffer for having not acted previously?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: soccerrama on April 29, 2013, 08:58:21 AM
Warners speech is stand-up comedy (http://www.foxsportsasia.com/editorial/news/detail/item966473/Fink:-Warner%E2%80%99s-speech-is-stand-up-comedy/)
Jesse Fink (Fox Sports Asia)


Fox Sports columnist Jesse Fink believes Jack Warner's speech-making will not get him out of trouble after CONCACAF issued a damning report on his past.

Fox Sports
Monday 29th April 2013
By Jesse Fink
 
Who needs a new comedy from Judd Apatow or Seth MacFarlane when the laughs keep coming from Jack Warner?
 
The former Minister for National Security in the Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago and chairman of the United National Congress party fell on his sword (or, more likely, was pushed down on it, hard) after the release of an excoriating Integrity Report by CONCACAF, the football confederation he used to run with the sort of untouchable sangfroid Tony Soprano enjoyed conducting his business affairs from the back room at Bada Bing.
 
The CONCACAF report examined the historical conduct of Warner and his former US counterpart Chuck Blazer, and was damning of both men.
 
For Warner, the most serious allegation was that he "committed fraud against CONCACAF and FIFA in connection with the ownership and development of the Centre of Excellence" in Trinidad: a scandal first exposed by the crusading sports journalist Lasana Liburd on his Wired868 website last year and reported by FOX Sports Asia.
 
"Warner committed fraud in two ways," said the report. "First, Warner secured funds from CONCACAF and FIFA by falsely representing, and intentionally creating a false impression, that the COE was owned by CONCACAF when he knew that the property was in fact owned by his own companies.
 
"Second, Warner induced FIFA to transfer funds that were intended for development of the COE to himself personally by falsely representing that the bank accounts to which FIFA should send the funds were CONCACAF accounts when he knew that in fact he controlled them personally."
 
Corruption allegations are nothing new against "Teflon Jack"; he's made a career of collecting them like business cards.
 
It explains the pejorative nickname and it's why he left his virtually tenured post as FIFA executive member after the Mohamed Bin Hammam bribery scandal in 2011.
 
But this most recent round of charges levelled against him were fatal because it came not from FIFA, against which Warner has a habit of threatening to unleash "tsunamis" from time to time when things get too hot for him, or journalists, which he seems to breezily dismiss as a nebulous group of racist conspirators, but CONCACAF: his people. He ran the joint with impunity for two decades.
 
No chance of labelling this report a racist plot, either: the Integrity Committee was chaired by Sir David Anthony Cathcart Simmons of Barbados, a black man, and CONCACAF's president, Jeffrey Webb, is also black.
 
But Warner had a red-hot go anyway. More on that later.
 
So what did our man do? He organised a rally of his "constituents" - aka the fawning Jack rent-a-crowd - to answer the charges and employed Facebook to get his message across, a place where his acolytes are in plentiful supply.
 
He told his cheering audience he'd been "hounded and persecuted".
 
"For the past two decades, I have been the target of various kinds of attacks. I have been targeted. My family has been targeted. My friends have been targeted. My detractors have said every dirty thing under the sun about Jack Warner."
 
Yes. Speaking about himself in the third person. And he did it so many times during his speech he even dropped into "fourth person" at one point, as former USA defender Alexi Lalas joked on Twitter. Defences for his conduct, on stage and online, ran thick and fast.
 
"I have never been a burden to the treasury of Trinidad and Tobago. My hands are clean."
 
"These attacks are based on a strategy crafted by some conspiratorial cowards!"
 
"I met and fulfilled every objective as it relates to football both in Trinidad and the Caribbean."
 
"The hardest fight for me is to strike internal enemies."
 
"I too am crying but I am crying from the inside where the hurt is most painful."
 
"One must ask the question how did little Jack Warner manage to stay in his corner under the radar and enjoyed [sic] so much success for so long? Or is it just that what we are seeing today is the vindictiveness of an oligarchy against one who attempted to challenge the power of a Eurocentric and white regime and thus balance the playing field so that leaders of every colour, race and ethnicity could have a fair chance to become a president of FIFA?"
 
Nice try, no cigar.
 
Warner went on to attack FIFA president Sepp Blatter and British journalist Andrew Jennings but couldn't land anything substantive on them that put them down for the count. The paid invoices he furnished as supposed proof of FIFA's knowledge of his ownership were issued under the name of the centre with no details of his personal bank account. The valuation report for the centre with the name of his company on it, Renraw, showed no evidence of being transmitted to and received by CONCACAF.
 
Warner also insisted that "at no point in time" had he "kept the ownership of the Centre of Excellence a secret" and says he told the Trinidad Express about it in July 2012.
 
Why, then, in May that year did he state that the Caribbean Football Union owned it? As he told Trinidad's Sunday Guardian: "[CONCACAF] have all the records, they can check it and see who owns it and who doesn't own it, what they have paid and what they haven't paid. What I do know is that I don't own it, so what is all the fuss about?"
 
Twelve months on, he's flip-flopped again.
 
"The truth is that the Centre of Excellence was a gift to Jack Warner to improve the development of football within the Caribbean Football Union and without a doubt it has achieved its goal."
 
No apology. No contrition. Not a shred of humility.
 
There was some small mercy to this self-serving drivel. Warner announced he would resign as an MP but left the door open to return to public life: "Come July 24th, 2013, who knows, with your love, your support and your understanding, I shall be your MP again."
 
Let's hope this is the last we've seen and heard of this man who in my opinion was a blight on football governance in the Caribbean.
 
He was no champion of the underdog, as he likes to make out. In my view, he was out for nobody but himself.
 
The game has gone through enough under his stewardship and were it not for the efforts of journalists such as Liburd and Jennings, he might still be wielding disproportionate power at CONCACAF and FIFA.
 
Read the scoreboard, Jack. It's game over.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Observer on April 29, 2013, 10:47:34 AM
Somebody please find a mule, or donkey & a sunset, for this man to ride off into nah.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: zuluwarrior on April 29, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
http://transparencyinsportblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-thief-the-conman-and-the-ship-of-aussie-fools/
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: asylumseeker on April 29, 2013, 01:01:14 PM
Somebody please find a mule, or donkey & a sunset, for this man to ride off into nah.

De fat lady eh start singing yet, so he's not particularly moved ... yet.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: E-man on April 29, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns
Title: Re: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: D.H.W on April 29, 2013, 08:17:21 PM
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns

Strange this author starts off describing the road.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: royal on April 29, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
Frigging Warner in every newspaper and magazine around the world making we look stupid.What ah horrendous choice from de PM. it bad enough he corrupt but everybody laughing because he was a gov't minister in T&T.How silly can ah people be?
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: coache on April 29, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
Good riddance to bad rubbish..now I don't have to hear dis inarticulate,  big red tongue, monkey face crook talk at me on de t.v pointing his finger in de air with all that nasty arrogance...I hope dey jail his arse for a long time. Yankees doh play ..dey will get im eventually....CROOK..YUH  GOIN TO JAIL!!!
Yuh still have my money!!
Go back to Caiacou...Trinidad people don't look like dis man and we don't talk like dat neither..nastiness..
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: Deeks on April 29, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
Good riddance to bad rubbish..now I don't have to hear dis inarticulate,  big red tongue, monkey face crook talk at me on de t.v pointing his finger in de air with all that nasty arrogance...I hope dey jail his arse for a long time. Yankees doh play ..dey will get im eventually....CROOK..YUH  GOIN TO JAIL!!!
Yuh still have my money!!
Go back to Caiacou...Trinidad people don't look like dis man and we don't talk like dat neither..nastiness..

Coache, Jack is exactly the way was some  Trinis does look. Don't jump on small island people for  a born and bred trini crooked-ness. The people of Cariacou has nothing to do with jack and TT politics.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: E-man on April 29, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
GO AFTER JACK
Veteran players want TTFF action
By Kern De Freitas (T&T Express)


Trinidad and Tobagos veteran footballers are calling for the T&T Football Federation (TTFF) to take legal action against former CONCACAF president Jack Warner to recover funds generated from T&Ts World Cup 2006 campaign.

The Veteran Footballers Foundation of T&T (VFFOTT), through vice-president Selby Browne, said yesterday that TTFF president Raymond Tim Kee must take action against Warner in the wake of reports by Express investigative reporter Camini Marajh into Warners handling of TTFF and LOC Germany 2006 accounts, and try to recover over $100 million still unaccounted for.

The new president of the TTFF (Tim Kee) and the TTFF must bring legal action against Jack Warner to recover the (missing) funds, Browne told the Express yesterday.

The TTFF must call in the fraud squad or DPP as it relates to the actions of Warner. The TTFF, and we in Trinidad, cannot sit here and rely on outside persons to treat with the Jack Warner debacle that we have here in Trinidad. The source of everything started right here in Trinidad football.

According to Browne, VFFOTT has made several attempts to meet with Tim Kee, but has not been able to secure a meeting.

The veteran footballers have called a special meeting for May 11 at Barataria Sports Complex, where they will discuss the implications of the recent CONCACAF integrity committee report that accused Warner and ex-CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer of fraud and mismanagement of funds.
Browne believes that with Warner involved, T&T football has experienced a downward slide.

In 1974, Trinidad and Tobago was qualifying for the number one slot in CONCACAF, he said. In 2006 we were qualifying for the 3 (playoff) spot. So during the tenure of Warner from 1974 to date, T&T football fell at minimum three, four notches in CONCACAF.

VFFOTT has also stated that the sole priority is to return T&T football to its previous glorious product.
Browne is also happy that the TTFF looks set to pay the 2006 Soca Warriors, who have been embroiled in a legal battle with the local governing body over World Cup bonuses promised them by Warner, since that year.

We have said years ago that is long outstanding. That should have been done by the TTFF and then (they should have) pursued Warner, who has still not produced his books for the TTFF.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: asylumseeker on April 30, 2013, 04:09:42 AM
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns


E-man, did you see the one about Uli Hoeness? Also in the Economist. Ah know that's close to your heart.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner resigns
Post by: E-man on April 30, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2013/04/jack-warner-resigns


E-man, did you see the one about Uli Hoeness? Also in the Economist. Ah know that's close to your heart.

Yeah, I didn't see the Economist version, but he blew it big time. At least he tried coming up with the money.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: asylumseeker on April 30, 2013, 10:56:26 AM
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ...  and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.

Care to expand on that?

Ok, ah late  ...

He could have resigned and walked away from the three posts (Cabinet, party chair, and MP). He didn't opt to cast off the MP post completely, and that's because it (by his analysis) continues to provide him a useful platform. The first scenario I see is that he miscalculates the outcome (ah mean, he ent chupid ... he already knows it's a gamble) and is not re-nominated for the seat (aside from his legal liabilities, his lack of consultation with the party brass will be held against him - despite his rhetoric to the ppl of having the party's interest at heart). Clearly, the UNC wants to maintain this seat with minimum static, but there's honestly no significant danger of the UNC losing the seat even if Jack gives trouble and creates a stir were he not to be nominated. The PNM can't win this riding, but they could maintain their voter base and siphon independent/disgruntled votes with the right chords struck ... not a significant number, but enough (see below).

Today, Chaguanas West has an electorate of probably about 27,000 voters max ... give or take. In the most recent General Elections (3 years ago), about 20,000 voters turned out. The constituency voter roll at that time was about 25,000 voters. Mr. Warner got nearly 19,000 votes. Only the PNM and the UNC contested this riding. The other candidate got 1,000 plus votes. Couple things to note ... a) this was a General Election with a particularly motivated voter pool and b) there was no third entity participating.

In the previous Gen Elec (2007; when 3 parties fielded candidates in this riding, JW still prevailed, but whereas the PNM's performance was at or about the same as in the 2010 election ... COP polled in excess of 5,000 votes! Thus, I disagree with Fishs analysis expressed elsewhere ... JW's personal cachet is IMV insufficient to override the party machinery of the UNC, particularly if there's an overwhelming personality choice on the other side(s) of the ballot.

Despite being adroit at taking care of his ppl, JW has to overcome their loyalty to party in order to get their votes his way. I doh see that happening in sufficient numbers ... particularly if other parties crowd the field. So crowding the field works to the UNC's benefit as does what I discuss below re: bye-elections.

Bye-elections tend not to drive the same level of turnout as is driven during General Elections ... and lower turnout would favour UNC performance.

There won't be a backlash against the UNC by the voters of Chaguanas West. So even if JW bolts the barn and still hopes to place his name on the ballot (scenario 2) ... it effectively is just a question of delaying the inevitable.

Sorry ... ah writing this piecemeal with one eye on some other matters ... will have to return to this.
Title: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: Tallman on April 30, 2013, 01:05:43 PM
Jack and the demise of local football
By Theodore Lewis (T&T Express)


What do you do when an actor refuses to leave the stage? In the Apollo theatre in Harlem, they have an ingenious device in the form of a long hook. If you are performing badly, and the crowd starts to boo, someone with the hook gets it around your neck and they pull you off unceremoniously.

Jack Warner cannot leave the stage. His performance is over. A former chief justice of Barbados says that what he was up to in Concacaf was fraud, this absolutely mortal blow to the man in charge of crime here. The mongoose was in charge of the chickens in football. With that Jack fell down and broke his crown. And he knows that in that nursery rhyme, Jill came tumbling after. But Jack does not have it in him to leave stoically. No, he wants an encore. He is hearing the voices. Peron! Peron! coming from Charlieville and Longdenville, and from the acting head of police. He is thinking, the crowd still likes me, look at them! I deserve an encore.

But the indictment against Jack is not that he is unpopular. It is that he has committed fraud, according to Sir David Simmons. The remedy for that cannot be multiple elections showing that the people like you.

The remedy has to be to show that you have not been engaged with fraudthat you can account for every dollar intended for the upliftment of football in the country. But that will be difficult to do, by a man who is rich enough to be one of the prime financial backers of a major political party in this country.

Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/12402-jack-and-the-demise-of-local-football.html)
Title: Re: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: Bakes on April 30, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
A fine retrospective on the glory days of football as culture in TnT.  Not sure he necessarily ties its demise to Jack's rise, but he juxtaposes the two brilliantly.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: TdotTrini on April 30, 2013, 11:32:01 PM
Moonilal is correct, but he's not saying anything that Mr. Warner doesn't understand instinctively. This move by Warner will go down in the annals of T&T political history as very telling. I can conceive of at least 3 possible scenarios occurring ...  and yet again,none of them reaps any automatic rewards for the Opposition.

Care to expand on that?

Ok, ah late  ...

He could have resigned and walked away from the three posts (Cabinet, party chair, and MP). He didn't opt to cast off the MP post completely, and that's because it (by his analysis) continues to provide him a useful platform. The first scenario I see is that he miscalculates the outcome (ah mean, he ent chupid ... he already knows it's a gamble) and is not re-nominated for the seat (aside from his legal liabilities, his lack of consultation with the party brass will be held against him - despite his rhetoric to the ppl of having the party's interest at heart). Clearly, the UNC wants to maintain this seat with minimum static, but there's honestly no significant danger of the UNC losing the seat even if Jack gives trouble and creates a stir were he not to be nominated. The PNM can't win this riding, but they could maintain their voter base and siphon independent/disgruntled votes with the right chords struck ... not a significant number, but enough (see below).


Jack has essentially challenged the UNC and PM into making him the de facto nominee for Chaguanas East. Jack is banking on his loyal supporters to cause some considerable static should there action man be denied, putting the UNC in a bit of bother. Kamla definitely don't want an all out public war of words with Jack. Will Jack actually go through the humiliation of the screening process?  With 90 days before the bye-elections, it will make for some interesting drama.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Brownsugar on May 01, 2013, 04:54:17 AM
Jack has essentially challenged the UNC and PM into making him the de facto nominee for Chaguanas East West. Jack is banking on his loyal supporters to cause some considerable static should there action man be denied, putting the UNC in a bit of bother. Kamla definitely don't want an all out public war of words with Jack. Will Jack actually go through the humiliation of the screening process?  With 90 days before the bye-elections, it will make for some interesting drama.

A fix the seat for yuh and uuuuuummm, that bolded part, the speaker has not declared the seat vacant as yet eh......sooooo technically the 90 days eh start yet......
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Sando on May 01, 2013, 05:14:45 AM
Jack: I will never hurt my party
The Trinidad Guardian.


When these things begin to happen it is because some of us are misinterpreting the responsibilities given to us and when large portfolios like two mega ministries are placed under one mans control. It sends the wrong message not only to the person in charge but also to the national community, especially when ones race or ethnicity can be punished because of the historical patterns of some of us.

I cannot live with that kind of belligerence nor should any member of the Peoples Partnership Government. This hurts our party. And it hurts our government. Whether they like it or not I am and will continue to be a member of the United National Congress. I will never hurt my party nor interfere with its chances to win an election. In 2008, I fought to put this party on an even footing. With the Movement for Change, my colleagues and I traversed this country from community to community for 14 months seeking ways to get our party ready to take over the reins of power and today I will do nothing to change that.

Many have advised me to make a clean break and begin anew, but I am UNC and UNC I will remain. I am UNC and with the UNC is where my heart will always be. I love my party but you my constituents, I love you more. I am still confident that no PNM under Rowley or this crop of politicians will be a better government than the Peoples Partnership and therefore I will re-dedicate my energies to ensure that such never takes place.

Now, before I conclude, what of Keith Rowley, an everlastingly bitter man, an unhappy man, a man whose ambitions will never be fulfilled living forever in the shadows of his peers. A man characterised by his leader as a raging bull after he was kicked out of the Cabinet for unbecoming behaviour. This is the man who sees me as a threat to his ambitions of power and will do whatever is necessarylie, connive, even sleep with the devil to make his dream come true. But I have decided to be the bigger man and the better man tonight. I have decided that our country is reeking with too much hate and too much bitterness. There is too much rancour among us and as adults we are not providing our children with the right kind of examples they need.

I had planned to attack Rowley viciously here tonight and tell you about him from the cradle to the present, including his stint as dean of discipline at Roxborough Government Secondary School some forty years ago up to the PNM Carnival fete at Balisier House, but on reflection tonight is not the night for that. Armed with affidavits and statements of all kinds I am prepared, but not tonight. There will be other nights...I promise you. So with dignity I will go to the Parliament tomorrow and face Rowley and his motion. I will not say nor do anything to bring the Parliament into disrepute in any way. In fact, knowing our speaker, he wont even allow it. So for now I will leave Rowley.

Before I close tonight, I know you are all asking what next for Jack Warner? Let me tell you that when I spoke with the Prime Minister at her residence on Sunday I told her that if it became necessary for me to resign as minister and UNC Chairmanwhich it now hasI would also wish to resign as the MP for Chaguanas West. I felt that the proper thing to do would be to offer you my constituents, the explanation and the facts and resign as the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West in keeping with the highest parliamentary traditions. In my meeting last Sunday, I had advised the Prime Minister of my thinking on this matter.

I also did tell her that I will want to contest the bye-election as a UNC Candidate for the Chaguanas West seat as I am UNC to the bone. And as such, with events having unfolded as they are to this point, I wish to let you know that tomorrow, Friday, I would be advising the Speaker of the House of Representatives that effective midnight on Friday night I am resigning as Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West. Section 69 (3) of the Constitution of the Republic of Tobago states that where a vacancy arises in the House of Representatives within the first four years of the life of the Parliament a bye-election shall be held to fill such vacancy not later than 90 days from the date of the announcement of the vacancy by the speaker.

Ninety days from April 25, 2013 will be July 24, 2013 and who knows? With luck, love and your support, Jack Warner will be back. I know many of you are still crying and I too as well am crying but from inside where it is even more painful. The prime minister in our meeting last Sunday even suggested that even if I do offer myself up for re-election I shall win and with your help and support, I too do feel so. Then togetherhand in handwe shall set right all the wrongs that have been committed. We shall work together to strengthen our UNC and our government and ensure that the people are truly always the first to be servedand that they are served with dignity. I promise that come what may, I will never leave you and I will never disappoint you.

So on Saturday a new office sign goes up to replace the Chaguanas West MP sign and then the bye-election campaign starts. I will still continue to see people from all walks of life, all over the country, from 1:30 am to 5:30 pm on Saturday. However, please be advised that it may take a little longer to achieve success since I will no longer be a Member of Parliament but many of my former Cabinet colleagues have assured me that nothing will change. On Friday May 24, 2013, a new weekly newspaper shall be launchedSunshine Newspaperdesigned to bring a new hope into your lives. And come July 24, 2013 who knows, with your love, your support and your understanding, I shall be your MP again.
 

I thank all of the members of the Protective Services for their support these past trying months. Based on their collective efforts, we were able to bring serious crimes down by over 35 per cent and even murders have been reduced from an all time high of 38 and 46 in January and February respectively, to 19 and 14 in March and April to date. A finer bunch of men and women one could not have asked for. In Laventille, residents can now breathe freely again. I wish I could have done more to give the SRPs and Municipal Police Officers their outstanding allowances or even a new home for our Immigration Department as well as our National Security Operation Centre. But I am sure that in the fullness of time those goals and more shall be attained.

I thank all the former members of staff of the Ministry of National Security especially the members of my security detail for their untiring commitment and dedication. But most important of all, I thank you my constituents for giving me the hope to carry ontodaya new day has dawned. I thank you.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on May 01, 2013, 06:36:48 AM
But he hurting them already
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Football supporter on May 01, 2013, 07:26:00 AM
I'm just wondering if this was an old CFU speech that Jack dusted off and edited? Maybe the original went something like.....


When these things begin to happen it is because some of us are misinterpreting the responsibilities given to us and when large portfolios like two mega ministries football organisations are placed under one mans control. It sends the wrong message not only to the person in charge but also to the national football community, especially when ones race or ethnicity can be punished because of the historical patterns of some of us.

I cannot live with that kind of belligerence nor should any member of the Peoples Partnership Government. FIFA. This hurts our party CONCACAF. And it hurts our government football.  I will never hurt my party C.F.U. nor interfere with its chances to win an election a world cup spot. In 2008, I fought to put this party CFU on an even footing. With the Movement for Change CONCACAF funding, my colleagues and I traversed this country planet from community to community for 14 months seeking ways to get our party CFU ready to take over the reins of power and today I will do nothing to change that.

Many have advised me to make a clean break and begin anew, but I am UNC CFU and UNC CFU I will remain. I am UNC CFU and with the UNC CFU is where my heart will always be. I love my to party but you my constituents, I love you more. I am still confident that no PNM FIFA under Rowley Blatter or this crop of politicians will be a better government executive than the Peoples Partnership bin Hammams and therefore I will re-dedicate my energies to ensure that such never takes place.

Now, before I conclude, what of Keith Rowley, Sepp Blatter, an everlastingly bitter man, an unhappy man, a man whose ambitions will never be fulfilled living forever in the shadows of his peers. A man characterised by his leader as a raging bull after he was kicked out of the Cabinet for unbecoming behaviour investigated over the ISP issue. This is the man who sees me as a threat to his ambitions of power and will do whatever is necessarylie, connive, even sleep with the devil to make his dream come true. But I have decided to be the bigger man and the better man tonight. I have decided that our country football is reeking with too much hate and too much bitterness. There is too much rancour among us and as adults we are not providing our children with the right kind of examples they need.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: MEP on May 01, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
Jack in for a ruder awakening..he own consitituency eh so want him...ah hope dey tell him is we time..
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Deeks on May 01, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
I had planned to attack Rowley viciously here tonight and tell you about him from the cradle to the present, including his stint as dean of discipline at Roxborough Government Secondary School some forty years ago up to the PNM Carnival fete at Balisier House, but on reflection tonight is not the night for that. Armed with affidavits and statements of all kinds I am prepared, but not tonight. There will be other nights

let him have it, Jack. What you holding back for!!!!
Title: Re: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: coache on May 01, 2013, 09:45:01 PM
Jack kill de football long time ago since de 70's...Jack get a watered down Trinidad team to de WC and allyuh feel he do something fuh Trinidad football he used the football for his benefit..CROOK! LOCK HIM UP!
Title: Re: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 01, 2013, 11:13:33 PM
love how the writer contrasts dom basil with jack warner. almost like dom was the anti-jack, and vice versa. it makes you wonder how different things could have been but for a few twists and turns of history.
Title: Re: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: fishs on May 02, 2013, 05:38:31 AM

 I say long time now when Jack took over and mash up all the established leagues because of ASL he virtually killed what was community football.

 Every Saturday evening hundreds if not thousands of people heading to the respective grounds to watch the NFL.
Tesca, Arima United, Memphis, Malvern, ECM Motown, Police, Defence Force, Caroni, PFCC, QRC.....
Title: Re: Re: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: D.H.W on May 02, 2013, 11:26:30 AM

 I say long time now when Jack took over and mash up all the established leagues because of ASL he virtually killed what was community football.

 Every Saturday evening hundreds if not thousands of people heading to the respective grounds to watch the NFL.
Tesca, Arima United, Memphis, Malvern, ECM Motown, Police, Defence Force, Caroni, PFCC, QRC.....

So true
Title: Re: Jack and the demise of local football
Post by: coache on May 02, 2013, 11:42:39 AM
I cant believe people in Trinidad will allow this Gouti face man run and win in an election fuh de same seat he just left ...Trini people ha to be real dotish to allow dis!
Title: A tongue-in-cheek political obituary on ex-FIFA VP Jack Warner
Post by: SWF Reporter on May 03, 2013, 08:57:16 AM
Controversial ex-FIFA VP concedes his last political post
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Austin Jack Warner, an unabashed gift taker, an amateur accountant of astounding creativity, one of the greatest storytellers of his generation and a servant of football, Trinidad and Tobago and, most of all, himself, passed away as a political entity on Saturday 27 April 2013 after resigning his seat in the Chaguanas West constituency of Trinidad and Tobago.

Warner had been ailing for some time after being hounded out of FIFA, two years earlier, due to his self-confessed crime of being black and coming from a small island but mostly for facilitating bribes to fix a presidential election.

But, with remarkable bounce-back-ability, he defied the diagnosis of global experts to remain relevant to sport and politics for some time after. There is no word yet as to whether FIFA would retire use of its famous brown envelopefor exchanging pre-election nicetiesin his honour but Warner surely deserves some recognition for an enthralling 21-year stint as an executive member of the global football body.

World Cup bidding might never be the same again without Warners breath-taking demands for television rights, football stadiums, pearl necklaces and visits from Nelson Mandela and David Beckham, which illuminated mundane discussions about bid documents. But then life on the whole loses some of its colour without the Trinidadian administrator and former history teacher.

Warners political career took flight on 19 November 1989 when Trinidad and Tobagos beloved Strike Squad lost 1-0 in a crucial World Cup qualifier at the National Stadium in Port of Spain.

The result meant that the United States qualified for its first World Cupafter previously appearing at the FIFA finals as a guestand eased the chorus of disapproval against then FIFA President Joao Havelange, who was criticised for helping select the US, a supposed non-football nation, to host the 1994 tournament.

Havelange responded by asking delegates at the 1990 CONCACAF Congress to vote for Warner as president. And they did just that.

On November 19, Warner, overcome by patriotism, risked personal harm to citizens by stuffing over 43,000 fans into a ground designed to hold roughly 24,000 and also admitted to selling alcohol at the venue against FIFA regulations.

The United States team stayed within 15 minutes of the ground and arrived there early in a giant, air-conditioned bus while the Strike Squad, which included an 18 year old Dwight Yorke, stayed over an hour away, travelled in cramped mini-vans and had to be bodily lifted over irate fanspranked by Warners bogus World Cup qualifying ticketsto get into their dressing room.

But only a cynic would suggest that this impacted on Trinidad and Tobagos chance of success on the Road to Italy. Sadly, Trinidad and Tobago was a cynical place in the aftermath of that infamous game.

Havelange eased the pain by awarding Trinidad and Tobago a Fair Play Trophy, although Warner flouted enough rules to arguably give grounds for appeal if the United States had lost the match. The Fair Play trophy and Warners political rise on the back of that contentious defeat and the nations tears was compensation enough for his compatriots.

American football administrator Chuck Blazer, according to Warners approved biography, talked the Trinidadian into running for the top CONCACAF post, just hours after that World Cup qualifying loss. There is no hard evidence that Warner got his dates mixed up.

Warner and Blazer were already great friends and remained as thick as thieves right until they knifed each other in the backs in 2011.

Title: Re: A tongue-in-cheek political obituary on ex-FIFA VP Jack Warner
Post by: Sam on May 03, 2013, 09:53:23 AM
Come with something new now Lasana, we hear everything about Jack already.

Time to start writing about Anil Roberts.

Title: We couldnt judge Jack based on FIFA
Post by: Tallman on May 03, 2013, 06:45:21 PM
We couldnt judge Jack based on FIFA
By Ria Taitt Political Editor (T&T Express)


Attorney General Anand Ramlogan said yesterday that one could not have used Jack Warners FIFA record and behaviour to deny him a ministerial appointment in May 2010.

Speaking at yesterdays post-Cabinet news conference at the Diplomatic centre, St Anns, Ramlogan was asked whether the decision to make Warner a minister was flawed in the first instance, given the concerns voiced at that time that his holding of the dual positions of vice-president of world football governing body FIFA and a minister of Government could have led to a possible conflict of interest and other complications.

Ramlogan who described Warner as a hard-working minister, said none of the allegations against Warner related to his performance as a minister.

The Report of the Concacaf Integrity Commission only came out two weeks ago. One would be hard-pressed to say  he should have been debarred or denied a position as a minister in the absence of this report. Bear in mind the Government had to attach some validity and credence to this report by Chief Justice David Simmons (who) is the person this Government appointed to chair a Commission of Enquiry. So we obviously had faith and confidence in the ability, competence and character and reputation of Simmons...It would have been foolhardy having appointed him there to now question the wisdom of his judgment in a different capacity as a Concacaf enquirer or adjudicator, Ramlogan stated.

Asked whether Warners behaviour in one area (FIFA) has no relation to behaviour in other arena (public office), Ramlogan said: It is a bit like saying that a man who has marital problems, is unfit for any other kind of office because an allegation has been made. What I am saying is the allegations that have been made pertain to his conduct as an official of FIFA and the Government has no jurisdiction over FIFA, no knowledge over the internal workings and affairs of FIFA.

He said the allegations related to FIFA and not to Warner acting in his capacity as a public official in Trinidad and Tobago. He said there was the issue of civil wrongdoing, namely the case brought by the Soca Warriors. He said there was also the issue of the votes-for-cash matter and the possible breach of the Customs Act, which was being investigated by the Police and a report sent to the DPP.

But Ramlogan said there was no room for the Government to intervene. If there are grounds for enquiring into the conduct of any minister, I would most certainly take action and enquire, but one cannot just up on a vaps and say one is going on an investigation at large, he said.

If there are allegations with respect to his role as a minister, then of course we would take them on their own merit and each case would be treated on its own individual circumstance, Ramlogan said.
He said Warner did the decent and honourable thing.

On whether the US Attorney General had responded to requests for information on whether the FBI was probing Warner, Ramlogan said he would simply draw reference to the PMs speech at the meeting, saying he could not got beyond that. The Prime Minister had stated her decision to accept Warners resignation following her meeting with US State Department officials.

After a careful, meticulous review of the facts brought before me, having just returnedyou will remember I was in Washington and I met with the State Department thereand having come back from that visit and meeting with my colleagues, counter-balancing the interest of the Cabinet...I accept the resignation of Minister Warner, Persad-Bissessar told a UNCs Monday night forum last week.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Football supporter on May 03, 2013, 06:57:42 PM
So, they would only investigate or remove Warner if it related to his Ministerial work?

So how did Partaps drink driving charge (which he has not yet been found guilty of) effect his Ministerial role?

Hmmm let me weight this up....... accused of drink driving vs accused of at least 5 (mainly) international financial scandals.  :thinking:
Title: Jack meets with English lawyers to review Concacaf report.
Post by: Flex on May 05, 2013, 05:52:11 AM
Jack meets with English lawyers to review Concacaf report.
T&T Guardian Reports.


A 90-minute meeting between Jack Warner and his English attorneys over the damning Concacaf report yesterday has left the former national security minister in an upbeat mood.

The meeting between Warner and his battery of attorneys was held yesterday at the Centre of Excellence, Macoya, 15 days after David Simmons presented Concacafs congress in Panama with a detailed report into allegations of financial mismanagement by Warner.
 
In a telephone interview yesterday, Warner confirmed the meeting. The attorneys, Warner said, have analysed the report. I remain very upbeat and believe me, I mean this literally, I am very upbeat. Warner said one can not understand how others could have come to any conclusion as they have come to.
 
More will be revealed to the public in due course, Warner said. Warner resigned as National Security minister and UNC party chairman, as well as Chaguanas West MP, following the disclosure of the report which found he was fraudulent in his management of Concacaf as the organisations president.

Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: E-man on May 11, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
A football untouchable
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk Sunday Express


Part X of a Special Investigation

Repeated transgressions of self-dealing by the scandal-prone ex-football powerhouse Jack Warner were largely ignored, downplayed or simply covered up by his former FIFA ally and president of the world football governing body, Sepp Blatter.

Long before the world got a front row seat to the dramatic play-by-play Warner/Mohamed bin Hammam betrayal and Blatter-exacted revenge for challenge to his leadership, the island schoolteacher-turned football-jefe-turned-politician was using his FIFA connections to build a US multi-million dollar family empire with the full protection of FIFAs oligarch.

And, as this special Sunday Express investigation has found, the list of Warner-committed football-related heists is as long as it is rich.

From huge cash transfers from the national football federation to private and other Warner-controlled accounts to the controversial sale of World Cup TV rights for the Caribbean and the black market trade of 2006 World Cup tickets, among other things.

A review of private and long-sought documents, including FIFA board minutes, a FIFA-commissioned 2006 Ernst & Young forensic audit into a Warner-run World Cup tickets racket, World Cup broadcast licence agreement signed with Warners Cayman company and a damning May 3, 2002 confidential report by former FIFA General Secretary Michel Zen-Ruffinen reveal an abuse of authority, self-serving deals and the raw pursuit of personal profit.

From all of the evidence, Warner not only took advantage of any money-making opportunity to come his way, he created opportunities to grow his family fortune. The evidence also showed a complete disregard for accounting rules and built-in conflicts of interest.

In his first tickets racket in 1989, Warner, the then general secretary of the Trinidad and Tobago National Football Federation (TTFF) risked public safety by printing some 20,000 tickets more than the national stadium could accommodate for a crucial World Cup qualifier with the United States.

Nearly 35,000 people crammed into the stadium, thousands more could not get in and the maxi taxi that was taking the national team inside the stadium was mobbed, according to the then national coach Gally Cummings.

He recalled tense moments when angry fans unable to get inside the Hasely Crawford Stadium hurled abuse at the players and used their fists to pound on the vehicle transporting the team.
The players were rescued by members of the Defence Force.

Relations between the former professional player-turned national coach and Warner soured when Cummings refused Warners request to go on national TV in the aftermath of the ticketing scandal with a script that said the game was not oversold. Cummings said Warner had him fired and blacklisted from professional coaching jobs in St Vincent and Grenada, among other places where Warner/Concacaf-influence had currency.

He said subsequent offers to coach the national Under-17 team and other football prospects were withdrawn after Warners spite and intervention got in the way. He said the powerful football figure wielded tremendous influence in the region and more than 20 years later: To this day, I cannot get a job as a national coach.

Cummings, who has a passion for the game and country, filed a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission (EOC) in 2010 which after 18 months determined that his complaint against Warner had no status.

He said he has no idea what that means and his enquiries were met with a rude response.
Warner escaped unscathed from the 1989 ticketing debacle and by 2006, he had finessed his game.
He made millions of dollars touting 2006 World Cup tickets at inflated prices on the black market in a scam that used his family travel business as a front for tour packages to matches involving England, Mexico and Japan.

The World Cup ticketing deal was run through Simpauls Travel Service, a family-owned Port of Spain agency which had also been gifted with all of the travel business of the national football federation of which Warner was special adviser and his key lieutenants Oliver Camps and Richard Groden were top officials. Groden had secured Simpauls credentials with FIFAs Ticketing Office (FTO) by naming the agency as the official tour operator of the TTFF.

Warner was identified in a FIFA-commissioned report by auditors Ernst & Young as having bought World Cup tickets which were then re-sold at up to four times their face value.

A unique ticket bar code number led auditors to a customer reference number which trailed right back to Jack Warner, then a powerful FIFA vice-president and deputy chairman of FIFAs Finance Committee.
According    to     the    Ernst &  Young report, Warners son, Daryan collected an initial order placed for World Cup tickets for different matches at the Intercontinental Hotel in Germany on June 14, 2006. The documents trail showed that the Warner-collected tickets changed hands with a Florida-based tickets agency, Kick Sports Inc which in turn sold the tickets to a Swiss Travel company, GTU Travel AG for Euro 400 apiece, collectively Euro 80,000, a staggering Euro 60,000 more than face value.

The Ernst & Young report said the FIFA ExCo (Executive Committee) member paid for the tickets with his credit card and that an additional order placed with the FTO on June 23, 2006 for 1,245 tickets for second round matches was refused. Warners game was busted by GTU which filed a grievance complaint with the FTO in Berlin after Kick Sports failed to deliver all of the tickets within the agreed to timeframe.
The Swiss company claimed that it was forced to find alternative sources for the prized tickets at considerable expense to the company. The auditors report identified Kick Sports as a business partner of Simpauls Travel Services. The Warner family-owned business was also running another scam selling World Cup ticket packages straight out of the member Associations allocation.

The agencys initial orders for accommodation relating to the packages under scrutiny were made in June 2005 through FIFAs World Cup Accommodation Services (FAS). The Warner agency also made separate ticket requests to the FTO, according to the Ernst & Young report, which found that the packages were sold to local fans and agents around the world at vastly inflated prices.

Daryan Warner, the agencys managing director initially agreed to co-operate and met with investigators in Manchester but later changed tack, saying he had no more information to provide. He confirmed that some of the payments to FAS were made through one of his private companies, Nauti Krew, which has as its registered address, 31 Sunset Drive, Bayshore.

Ernst & Young reported that information requests made to Daryan Warner for specific bank details for payments and receipts were refused.

He told investigators he saw no middle ground to the situation and that in his view, the matter was potentially more damaging to FIFA than to him. 

He also instructed several related parties to ignore FIFAs requests for information. The Warner agency was said to have made about US$1 million in profit and Jack Warner was found guilty of violating FIFAs code of ethics.

Private minutes of a 2006 FIFA ExCo meeting record members disapproval of Warners lack of integrity but in a strong defence of the man he once described as a wonderful and loyal friend, Blatter countered that there was no concrete evidence that the vice-president himself had played an active role in the ticketing scandal.

And, as with the all the other Warner-related scandals, the FIFA oligarch had Jack Warners back when the going got tough.

In his bid to downplay Warners role in the affair, Blatter said: The Executive Committee has expressed its disapproval over the conduct of Mr Warner. This disapproval of the conduct of the vice-president draws his attention to the fact that he should be more prudent and cautious when it comes to ticketing and should also oversee the activities of his son a little more. That is all there is to say in relation to this affair and we now consider the matter closed.

Blatter said it would be up to the FIFA administration whether Warners family travel business would be allowed to sell tickets for future World Cups.

The disciplinary committee of the world football governing body also rejected Warners criticism of the then FIFA general secretary Urs Linsi, FIFAs Administration and the auditors engaged to investigate the ticketing affair, Ernst & Young.

Daryan Warner was later made the fall guy in the ticketing case and was secretly fined close to US$1 million by FIFA. British investigative journalist Andrew Jennings was the first to report details of the fine in his book, Foul: The Secret World of FIFA.

Jennings wrote that the Warners had paid only US$250,000 in December 2006.

Blatters goodwill to Warner ensured that the former ExCo member escaped any sanction despite FIFAs ruling that he was guilty of an ethics violation. Warner told FIFA that he and his wife, Maureen had sold their shares in the travel company and had no idea he had violated any rules. Of course, he omitted to mention that two $1 shares were sold at the height of the tickets racket in 2006.

Warner, his wife Maureen and sons Daryan and Daryll all came off the company director registry in 2006 but were re-installed as directors of the travel agency by August 21, 2009.

And as before, FIFA Media provided a general response about corruption reform to a specific question relating to the governing bodys failure to impose any disciplinary action in the face of its own guilty ruling in the ticketing case involving Warner.
 
Continues
next Sunday
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: asylumseeker on May 11, 2013, 08:57:40 PM
Part X? I didn't realize Camini was still going ...
Title: Re: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: D.H.W on May 11, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
Part X? I didn't realize Camini was still going ...

She hot for Warner
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: g on May 12, 2013, 05:56:29 AM
Part X? I didn't realize Camini was still going ...

She hot for Warner

After his attempt to embarrass her when he leak her story to all media houses she going after him ruthlessly. The funny this is that she simply presenting the truth. In spite of all these facts that are out there, Warner is still a free man seeking political office and because of activities past he can boast about catering to a constituency of citizens, is an indication of how much of a rancid society we are.
Title: Re: $100m & MORE MISSING (Sunday Express)
Post by: King Deese on May 24, 2013, 09:52:55 AM
Maybe this thread should have been titled "Trinis in Inaction"

Vicky Boodram and her husband have been charged that in 2010, they allegedly took more than $1.3 million from 109 people through fraudulent means and transferred it to themselves and the company, Travel and Ship Ahoy Cruise Ltd.

HAIRDRESSER Summer Bristol and sound engineer Shawn Davis along with two other individuals are to appear in a Port of Spain court to answer charges of fraudulently obtaining almost $3 million from First Citizens Bank (FCB).

At the height of the Section 34 controversy, a sophisticated laser spying device was discovered in the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Roger Gaspard, SC. T&T Guardian investigations revealed the device was detected in November last year inside the conference room of the DPPs office at the Winsure Building, Richmond Street, Port-of-Spain.

Yet, he does not direct an investigative team assigned to his office to find out who planted such a device.
No charges are brought on Jack Warner for fraudulently obtaining over $100 million dollars from the people of Trinidad and Tobago. Meanwhile, he is free to live it up and the other small people are looking at time in prison. If that is not the height of inaction and hypocrisy on behalf of the so called law enforcement professionals in T&T then I don't know what is.

Not to mention a friggin Attorney General who admitted the other day he knows nothing about criminal law. Are you f$%king kidding me?
Title: Re: A tongue-in-cheek political obituary on ex-FIFA VP Jack Warner
Post by: Jack Horner on May 29, 2013, 05:48:09 AM
Good response Sam, Lasana have one style and a personal problem with Jack, I  sure if Jack have give him money he too would have been in Jack back pocket.

They all want to be like Jack.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on May 29, 2013, 04:58:03 PM
Warner and Blazer must face the law, says FIFA official

(Reuters) - Former CONCACAF leaders Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer should face the full force of the law for their alleged misdemeanors during the two decades that they ran the confederation, Domenico Scala, the head of FIFA's Audit and Compliance Committee said on Wednesday.

"In the case of Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer this has far bigger implications than just (FIFA's) Ethics Committee, or the rules of the game," Scala said at a rare media briefing the day before FIFA's annual congress starts.

"There is sufficient suspicion that they have gone against the law and this will become an issue for the FBI and the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) in the case of taxation.

"So here the Ethics Committee and the world of FIFA stops - and people who have gone against the law will have to deal with the law."

Former FIFA vice-president Warner from Trinidad & Tobago, who was the president of CONCACAF for 21 years, and Blazer of the United States, his general secretary for most of that time, were both members of FIFA's executive committee.

Warner turned his back on football after being implicated in a bribery scandal in 2011, while Blazer has also left the game although, on a technicality, he is suspended from FIFA's executive committee until Friday.

The two men were vilified in a report commissioned by CONCACAF, the confederation responsible for soccer in North and Central America and the Caribbean, and published at their Congress in Panama in April after the examination of 5,000 documents and the testimony of 38 individuals.

"If you read the CONCACAF integrity report it does not say anything positive or polite (about them)," said Scala, a 48-year-old Swiss industrialist who is charged with enforcing new financial controls at FIFA as well as guiding the body's reform process on to the statute books.

"It's a horrible document so therefore whatever they are saying today is frankly useless and worthless because, over an extended period of time, they abused the system.

"I cannot judge on the other cases (of FIFA corruption) as I have no insights but I think it is a stretch to say now that what happened in CONCACAF happened in all the confederations.

"But here we have two individuals who behaved the way they did. Do we have other cases like this at FIFA? Maybe, I don't know, but we have to face facts; we have to be very careful of accusing everybody because we have had 10 years of accusations and allegations and suspicions."

Scala said he had spoken to Warner's successor as CONCACAF president, Jeffrey Webb, adding: "I said this to the new CONCACAF president - this issue is now one for the government entities and has passed (beyond) the FIFA world."

Scala said that as a result of greater scrutiny of FIFA's planned development grants, projects in seven countries had been halted because of concerns over accounting.

"From now on, no matter what went on in the past, we are going to make sure that FIFA's development money is used for the purpose it is intended," he said.

(Editing by Clare Fallon)

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2013, 07:44:36 PM
Wonder how upbeat Warner is now on hearing this latest news!  :devil:
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Observer on May 29, 2013, 08:54:09 PM
Wonder how upbeat Warner is now on hearing this latest news!  :devil:

All it means is FIFA wash their hands. Deflecting from any potential further investigations with FIFA. ie: Sepp inept
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Socapro on May 29, 2013, 09:04:50 PM
Wonder how upbeat Warner is now on hearing this latest news!  :devil:

All it means is FIFA wash their hands. Deflecting from any potential further investigations with FIFA. ie: Sepp inept
Hmmm   :thinking:
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Bakes on July 05, 2013, 04:18:04 PM
Regardless of what Kamla decides to do, the Opposition needs to declare a vote of no-confidence in this Government.  Given their overwhelming majority, the PP will likely retain power, and possibly emerge stronger for it... but it will send a message to both the government, but more importantly, the electorate.

I somehow missed this... funny that when I suggested the motion of no confidence, some men was making it seem so outrageous or out of the question, when in fact that is exactly what Rowley ended up doing on May 20, exactly a month later.

http://www.youtube.com/v/46GQd_CuSsU
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on July 05, 2013, 08:43:31 PM
Back in April, 2013, a suggestion was made by none other than Anil Roberts, that the CONCACAF report investigation leading into the misdeeds of one, Jack Warner, be further investigated, was never voted on by members of this current administration for one reason or another, rendering any further investigation into the matter, mute or null and void.
In April of the same year, the same Sinister of Parliament, said he never abused his power. That is also questionable.
The same year in question, the leading authority in the field of law enforcement in the country, Attorney General Ramlogan, said he was not familiar with criminal law, subsequently, the matter was not taken up by the DPP for further investigation, nor was it referred to by the PM for further investigation by the appropriate authorities. In May of 2013, the Sinister of National Security said he hired this and that to clear his name of all charges but have yet to do so.
Is it any wonder why things are the way they are?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on July 12, 2013, 07:54:26 AM
http://www.wired868.com/2013/07/11/chaguanas-conspiracy-warner-fears-one-way-ticket-to-usa/

Quote
http://www.wired868.com/2013/07/11/chaguanas-conspiracy-warner-fears-one-way-ticket-to-usa/
Title: Could the end of Warner be nearer than we think?
Post by: Richard G. on July 26, 2013, 09:54:36 PM
Mind you this isn't anything new BUT as the story continues to 'produce new pages' we continue to read.

http://transparencyinsportblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/have-the-fbi-got-fifas-bribe-emails-and-offshore-bank-accounts/ (http://transparencyinsportblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/have-the-fbi-got-fifas-bribe-emails-and-offshore-bank-accounts/)

....As one paragraph writes,

Another worry for Warner and his old friends at FIFA who are equally implicated is that US dollars were the preferred currency for much of the thieving and bribing. All dollar payments are cleared through the big banks in New York who must store records, even if they happened abroad. This gives the authorities a massive database of transactions which they can interrogate, to assist their investigations. They can also ask judges to instruct banks to turn over details of a customers account if they or any associated person is the subject of an investigation.

hmmm.....

Blessings and enjoy the night/day
Richard G.
Title: Re: Could the end of Warner be nearer than we think?
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
 :beermug:
Title: Re: Could the end of Warner be nearer than we think?
Post by: OutsideMan on July 26, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
I'm no fan of Jackula...but this is why I make sure my offshore banks (outside the US), DO NOT route funds through the US when executing country to country wires. 

I thought someone with JW's experience would instruct his banks to avoid going through the US when wiring.  looks like he made a rookie mistake.

(Btw, as a disclaimer, when I mention offshore banks and wiring, I don't necessarily mean that I engage or wish to engage in such activities for the purpose of avoiding taxes or other matters etc.).

Cheers?  :) 
Title: Re: Could the end of Warner be nearer than we think?
Post by: Bakes on July 26, 2013, 10:40:27 PM
Speculative b.s.  Saw that article elsewhere and just skipped past it.
Title: Re: Could the end of Warner be nearer than we think?
Post by: fishs on July 27, 2013, 01:47:27 AM
Speculative b.s.  Saw that article elsewhere and just skipped past it.

Agreed, repetitive with no new info
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: OutsideMan on July 27, 2013, 06:45:13 AM
Uh ohhhh...if people on the forum are so pissed that yet another article was shared on a topic already repeatedly discussed, then why does everyone always seem to bring-up the subject during most threads anyway? 

A lot of UN-RELATED threads on the 'Football' forum people still always mention JW and his misdeeds, yet no one seems to bat-an-eye.  However, some fella who barely post on SWO, but posts a new thread on the subject, and already he's met with scorn.   :bs:

Richard G...GOOD POST, BREDA!  Doh mind anybody here...keep it up, and speak the truth even if your voice quakes!  :beermug: 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: vb on July 27, 2013, 05:44:45 PM
This might be a little off topic but it was during the Warner Era.
The following is from the TT Press, 1990.
It's embarrassing how this sht has been going on for decades unfettered.


Corneal Lashes out

http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/senior-team-news/4498-corneal-lashes-out.html

DISMISSED national coach, Alvin Corneal has accused the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association of misleading the public about the reasons behind his sacking.

In a letter to the media, Corneal charged that statements offered by TTFA Vice-President Harold Taylor were unfounded. He said he was inclined to believe that he was dismissed for frank and honest evidence before the Commission of Enquiry.

"As to my dismissal, forgive me if I do not believe that the decision has anything to do with the reasons offered. I have heard rumours that my frank and honest evidence at the Football Commission has been just a bit more than some people could take," Corneal said in the letter made public this week.

He added, "If this is the case, I am sorry to hear their plight. I believe that it is my civic right to respond to a summons which was sent to me I answered the questions factually and supplied proof on most occasions."

Corneal, a former national player, said he considered his contribution to the enquiry to be in the interest of the public and never intended to cause pain to anyone.

A Commission of Enquiry was set up by Government to investigate overselling of tickets for last year's World Cup qualifying match between Trinidad and Tobago and the United States at the National Stadium on November 19.

At the time Corneal was serving in the capacity of Sports Advisor to the Ministry of Sports and was privy to the budget submitted in March, 1989. Submissions were made to the Ministry of Sport for funds by a World Cup Organising Committee on behalf of the T&TFA.

Corneal had appeared before the Commission on October 11, 1990 and produced evidence to show that the "Road To Italy" budget was inflated.

He reported that, "the airfares, hotel accommodation and other expenses quoted for overseas matches was a vast difference between the figures given in the budget and those obtained from two local travel agents."

In respect of hotel accommodation for overseas matches, the World Cup committee presented a figure of TT 112,000 dollars while Corneal claimed in his calculations that it was just over TT 35,300 dollars.

Said Corneal, "I based my figures on the fact that we were taking a normal national team. The first thing is there is hardly any likehood, unless somebody wants to be absolutely extravagant, to have one player per room. Usually coaches place two or three players to a room."

In his letter, Corneal also revealed that the "Revenge Game" against the United States, which was played in North Carolina on Saturday, September 15, was arranged without the knowledge of the managerial and technical staff.

"This match had been advertised all across North Carolina for just over two months and I, as national coach, was unaware of it. I called the TTFA secretariat, especially assistant secretary Clarence Moe, who confirmed that he did not know anything about the match and this was up to August 7," Corneal said.

Corneal said on his return home from a lecture/coaching stint in the United States, he called for an urgent meeting to unearth details and it was then that TTFA President Peter O'Connor said he had arranged the match since his trip to Italy during the World Cup.

Corneal said he was promised a reason, within four days, why the Trinidad team was committed to the game but he did not get it.

He also defended his decision as national coach to declare matches against Cameroon and the Soviet Union as "unacceptable." "I am trying to build a team for the future and any sensible football enthusiast would understand that this is not the time to face world class teams like Cameroon and Soviet Union. When we play those teams, we want to be in with a chance to force their best performances with a squad that is physically and mentally ready," he remarked.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 27, 2013, 07:57:31 PM
Interesting stuff VB. Nobody can say that they weren't warned!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2013, 07:59:33 PM
Speculative b.s.  Saw that article elsewhere and just skipped past it.

Agreed, repetitive with no new info

Not just that... Jennings trying to hard and losing credibility in the process.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 28, 2013, 05:24:34 AM
This video is hilarious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZwsU9INiSU&feature=youtu.be).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: lefty on July 28, 2013, 06:54:52 AM
This video is hilarious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZwsU9INiSU&feature=youtu.be).


lol dat was bad...da fella have it down pat wais
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 28, 2013, 08:24:10 AM
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 28, 2013, 10:29:03 AM
Real talent out there not being utilised!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on July 28, 2013, 10:55:33 AM
axe yuh mudder
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: TdotTrini on July 29, 2013, 09:12:47 AM
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.

The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.

Khamal Ethan Georges ‏@khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2013, 10:37:07 AM
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.

The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.

Khamal Ethan Georges ‏@khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV

From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.

Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.
Title: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Jack Horner on July 29, 2013, 12:26:57 PM
My grandfather Jack will never make jail.

1. He knows everyone secrets, from the FBI, FIFA to Kamla. All they can do is talk and fool the public but its all a big bluff. The T&T PM will dear step in Jack face, she knows what could happen. She should worry about her deputy Anand Ramolgan buying all the land on the new highways Jack built so when they lose election he will have a Plan B in place with his new business buildings and service stations. But the focus is on Jack an others are worst.

2. Jack Warner will be T&T PM one day and even if he is found guilty, he will not make jail time, he may get slapped with a fine. People in T&T loves this man and he will win. Who could win Jack for PM, not Kamla and certainly not Rowley.

3. He is the smartest man in T&T, he has fooled the FBI, IRS, T&T Government and FIFA for years. Imagine FIFA paid rent for their own building for 25 years and they didn't know that.

4. After elections today, you guys will finally accept that Jack is the king of T&T. Our people love free stuff and Jack is feeding them with the palm of his hands.

5. He got the TTFA to pay the 2006 Warriors with hidden Concacaf money Tim Kee and Sheldon Phillips all of a sudden discovered like pirates.

6. Yes, he cannot leave T&T, but Jack doesn't have too. He has seen the world.

7. Moderators, I advise you to merge this after elections today. I want the world to see how powerful Jack really is. Please make this a sticky Flex.

The Hummer is painted in Green and his being used as Jack mobile for campaign purpose.

***Message sent from my Land Rover***

Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Banter Banton on July 29, 2013, 12:29:33 PM
He may not make Jail, but he certainly will make HELL

Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: mal jeux on July 29, 2013, 12:38:37 PM
 :rotfl:  :rotfl:  :rotfl:

hell is ah scott name andrew jennings


Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Jack Horner on July 29, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
If Central FC serious, let them vote for Jack today and I will make sure they get some money and help.

Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Banter Banton on July 29, 2013, 12:42:40 PM
If Central FC serious, let them vote for Jack today and I will make sure they get some money and help.


who money allyuh going to steal again ?

Greed yes
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: D.H.W on July 29, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Alyuh keep biting Horner bait.
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 01:52:32 PM
He may not make Jail, but he certainly will make HELL



 :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on July 29, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.

The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.

Khamal Ethan Georges ‏@khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV

From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.

Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.

D AG vehicle  it is alleged
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 29, 2013, 03:24:02 PM
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.

The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.

Khamal Ethan Georges ‏@khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV

From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.

Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.
       I does really have to laugh yes,what does this have to do with Football,Chaguanas was always a high crime area.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2013, 04:27:32 PM
Just heard on the news that a Chaguanas man was asked to keep an eye on a friends car. Bandits began messing with the car and the guy was shot dead. People blaming an influx of bandits entering the area from outside. Apparently, they infiltrated a motorcade (Jacks, I believe) to scope the area for opportunities.

The AG is spinning this as an political motivated crime.

Khamal Ethan Georges ‏@khamal 1m
Khadijah Ameen says she's been advised shooting was not politically motivated, contrary to AG Ramlogan position @CNC3TV

From what I heard, I don't think it was motivated by party politics, but it does appear they used the motorcade as cover to get into the area.

Also heard that an official vehicle injured a pedestrian in Chaguanas.
       I does really have to laugh yes,what does this have to do with Football,Chaguanas was always a high crime area.

Just sharing information Coops. Mods can always move it along.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 29, 2013, 07:25:41 PM
      I does really have to laugh yes,what does this have to do with Football,Chaguanas was always a high crime area.

Back when this thread was started Jack was still neck deep in FIFA, and pulling de strings behind the old TTFF.  News still relevant even though he's no longer involved in our football.
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: fishs on July 29, 2013, 10:44:23 PM
 
 Yuh know the funny thing is that unbelievably almost everything this numbskull say is true.

 I never thought I would say this but I hope Jack get alzhiemers or something because god help us if he live another 20 yrs
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Jack Horner on July 30, 2013, 04:36:16 AM
JACK ON FIRE
Green sweep in Chaguanas West by-election
By Ria Taitt Political Editor


Its a new day in the politics of the country.

Jack Warners green machine trounced Kamla Persad-Bissessars UNC in its heartland of Chaguanas West yesterday, shattering all tribal expectations with an impressive victory.

Warner garnered 69 per cent of the votes cast, Ameen 28 per cent and PNM two per cent. The people of Chaguanas West chose Warners Independent Liberal Party (ILP) over an incumbent Government, an action which could undermine the confidence of the Peoples Partnership administration.

This is the first time in the countrys history that a truly heartland UNC constituency has deserted the party, signalling a major achievement. It also speaks to a  significant shift with unpredictable implications, coming about under the leadership of Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Present at Warners victory rally last night was MP  Winston Gypsy Peters, suggesting that the Peoples Partnership could lose its constitution-amending majority (of 27 seats). Peters had stated during the campaign that he remained a UNC MP.

Warner, in his victory address, made it clear that he was looking beyond Chaguanas West to larger things. I pledge to work not only for the good of the people of Chaguanas West, but also for the good of the entire country, he said. 

Flanked by some of the personalities who appeared on his platform on a nightly basis, Uncle Jack greeted all his nephews and nieces.

Warner said he always knew that Chaguanas West, whose love, loyalty and commitment he never doubted, would set the tone for the shift in the countrys politics.

Like David we came up against the might of Goliath and won, he said. Warner said his team went up against the might of the Government, the Cabinet  and the highest level of vindictiveness practised on the people of Chaguanas West and won.

One lesson to be learnt is that a Government must listen and respond. Government must be from the ground up, not the top down, he said.

His decision to seek a fresh mandate in the face of persistent allegations has paid off handsomely. He assured the crowd last night that the ILP was here to stay, suggesting that there would be no return to the UNC and that any rapprochement with the Peoples Partnership would have to be done through the ILP.

The Parliament which opens on Friday will have a new political party. And Warner will be a main figure in the Parliament once more, some three months after his resignation, because of yesterdays  electoral accomplishment.

If Warner was the winner, the Prime Minister was the loser. Thirty-six months into her leadership, this was the second campaign in which the Prime Minister led the charge that has ended in defeat. Coming months after the Tobago House of Assembly, this loss is perhaps more devastating because it was in a traditionally safe UNC constituency.

But the Prime Minister looked relaxed and showed no sight of strain last night as she addressed supporters.  You win some, you lose some. I do not believe we have lost because we remain in the Government, she said. She urged her UNC soldiers  not to be discouraged. We still have 26 seats, maybe 27, in the Parliament, she said.  This (result) gives us a moment of introspection and reflection...This too shall pass, she added. She said this was one of many battles and the war was still to be won. She noted that the party still had to face the local government elections, constitutionally due by October. The Prime Minister said therefore that this experience should be used as a golden opportunity to learn and not repeat any mistakes from the past.

An equally calm and composed Khadijah Ameen, who was promoted during the campaign as this girls on fire!, said the people of Chaguanas West needed the UNC and the UNC would continue to be there for them. She said she knew some of her soldiers might be sad but the Peoples Partnership Government was their government and the UNC was their party. She praised the Prime Minister for being with her team day in, day out. No other Prime Minister has been so close to the people, she said.

The Prime Minister congratulated Warner and wished him good luck in his endeavours as the Chaguanas West MP. She said there was no hate, spite, malice or ill-will to any one in Trinidad and Tobago. We are all one family, she declared.

 PNM leader Keith Rowley said the country was in a sad place given the result in Chaguanas West.

The Government has lost its mandate. The Prime Minister should call the general election now. We implore the Prime Minister to put Trinidad and Tobago first and call the general election now! he said.

How they voted



Provisional results

for the Chaguanas

West by-election.


ILP: 12,631 (69%)

UNC: 5,126 (28%)

PNM: 422 (2%)

DNA: 18 (0%)

NCT: 11 (0%)


Votes in 2010:

UNC: 18,740

PNM: 1,500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=04854XqcfCY

Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Jack Horner on July 30, 2013, 05:07:29 AM
Jack Warner is the best politician in this country and in this country history also, like it or not.

He does an excellent job and plan on showing up all these lazy politicans.

The entire country will fall in love with Jack Warner once more.

He plans on making history.

He will make other ministers force to do their jobs now.

Cant you guys see how poor our politics have been where all these people getting paid big money to do nothing.

Name one minister that does his job, just one.

Join Jack Warner now guys.

I advise Central FC to join us and I will make sure they get well supported.

Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: coache on July 30, 2013, 09:35:17 PM
No joke...but de longest rope has an end.
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Pur_Trini on July 31, 2013, 04:32:04 AM
Well now I vex. When I see the headline "Jack on Fire!", I thought somebody do something useful with some gasoline and a match. Unfortunately, my elation was short-lived.
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 31, 2013, 05:37:09 AM
Well now I vex. When I see the headline "Jack on Fire!", I thought somebody do something useful with some gasoline and a match. Unfortunately, my elation was short-lived.

He would still live through that.....de devil used to fire.....we need a good, big wooden stake, some holy water and a big fat bible.....
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: KND2 on July 31, 2013, 08:08:18 AM
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole county

PNM supposed to be a big party

talk about party lines

serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country

if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: weary1969 on July 31, 2013, 11:33:39 AM
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole county

PNM supposed to be a big party

talk about party lines

serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country

if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt

They usually get 1500. It have nothing to do bout that when u voting according to the tribe. In 1995 Agustus Ramrekersingh get less votes after he develop d bamboo but that year the marginal seat went the way of the UNC.
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: royal on July 31, 2013, 02:38:40 PM
Former CONCACAF President Jack Warner says he will be initiating legal action through his lawyers against Sir David Simmons on the CONCACAF Integrity Commission.

Sir David presented a detailed report in Panama into allegations of financial mismanagement by Mr. Warner and former CONCACAF General Secretary, Chuck Blazer, based on documents and interviews with 38 people.

He said neither Warner nor Blazer cooperated with the investigation.

Mr. Warner told reporters at a media conference on Wednesday that based on CONCACAF's recent statements that no case was made against him, he has contracted Queens Counsel Andrew Mitchell to initiate legal proceedings.

Asked to reveal more on the issue, Mr. Warner said he will reveal more at a later date.


Written by C News
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on July 31, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole county

PNM supposed to be a big party

talk about party lines

serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country

if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt
great is the PNM........they actually feel that the name will carry the party like years past.........they need to ask themselves since the evil PP have taken power some years back what have they done to show the people that is not the same ole same ole as when Patos (not to be confused with Palos) was running the country.........more importantly what has the candidate the put forward in this election done in the community that he deserved more than 500 votes..........in my opinion they been distracted playing a part in the soap opera......every other week is somebody suing somebody.........soe......email........I eh see or hear about them doing anything to win the people back.........and we know Jack is a crook he is a high caliber crook who know how to tief vulnerable people head and keep their loyalty.......
Title: Re: Jack Warner will never make jail.
Post by: Deeks on July 31, 2013, 03:39:05 PM
PNM only get 500 votes in a whole county

PNM supposed to be a big party

talk about party lines

serious govt supposed to cater to all regions of people in the country

if you can only get 500 votes in central you can be serious about being the govt

They usually get 1500. It have nothing to do bout that when u voting according to the tribe. In 1995 Agustus Ramrekersingh get less votes after he develop d bamboo but that year the marginal seat went the way of the UNC.

KND, you really naive or what. people in central don't like PNM. They would never win a seat there. PNM could build 10 more petrochemical plants there, not one seat for them.  I saw someone mentioned Sham Mohommed in the guardian or express comments. In the elections in 71 or 72, Sham was elected MP for an area which comprised Aranguez, Mt Lambert, Champs Fleurs and WASA-St. Joseph. That area was about 60-65% Afro, Mixed 5%, Whites, Chinese 1% and Indos 29%. And here these people talking about new politics because CW voted for that crook. The EW corridor has always been progressive in their voting. This has now reached Central. But look at the bombs which were thrown by the UNC and ILP. We could not even get a chance to get a debate between Jack, Ameen and the PNM sweet patato fella. All I hear they talk about is fixing box drain for the people. Picture of Ameen with a wad of cash.  The day of doctor politics gone. Good riddance. But what do we have instead. The PM who trusted this man as acting PM 3 times, now calls him ah laagahoo.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 31, 2013, 03:50:30 PM
Next video (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=635549249791270&set=vb.185415667357&type=2&theater)

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Flex on August 01, 2013, 01:53:35 AM
Jack to sue Concacaf prober.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner said yesterday he planned to take legal action against Sir David Simmons over the Concacaf Integrity Committee report which Simmons produced for the regional football body.

He was speaking at a news conference at his Independent Liberal Party (ILP) offices at Caroni Savannah Road, Chaguanas. Simmons damning report on Warners tenure as Concacaf boss sparked public discourse prior to his resignation in April as national security minister and chairman of the United National Congress (UNC).

Asked for more details of his plan to sue, Warner said: "I will say more at the appropriate time." He said ILP members did not want to join the PP because they felt the Government was a failure. He said the only common ground shared by the ILP and the Government at the moment was that both were opposed to the PNM.

He said the ILP now planned to contest the local government elections and the 2015 general election. Two teams were now putting together a structured development plan for both elections, he said, and a national assembly of the party was planned for September 29, he added.

Warner said: The ILP will be embarking on a leadership drive for persons interested in serving their country under the ILP banner. We are not only looking in our leadership drive for councillors, aldermen, possible candidates for the general elections but we are also looking for persons interested in leading and we will be asking applicants to state clearly in their resume in what areas they possess the competence to lead.

This is important because once a national pool of leaders has been identified, the ILP will run development courses for this team to institutionally strengthen their capacity when we advance to government.

He said he planned to open ILP offices across the country to facilitate the recruitment drive. Warner also pointed out that ILP members did not want the party to join the Peoples Partnership coalition and called for a by-election in the San Fernando East constituency.

The people of San Fernando East had an absentee MP in the person of Patrick Manning who had not represented his constituents for more than a year, he said. Manning, who suffered a stroke in January last year, has not attended a sitting of Parliament since then but has asked for and has been granted extended leaves of absence.

Warner said Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley was quick to call for a general election but instead should be calling for a by-election to get a competent replacement for Manning. Warner also said the days of COP leader Prakash Ramadhar were numbered as he was losing popularity.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on August 01, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: MEP on August 01, 2013, 10:29:05 AM
The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?

you know if yuh change it up a lil bit what yuh write could be a good kaiso
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Mose on August 01, 2013, 10:50:37 AM
The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?

you know if yuh change it up a lil bit what yuh write could be a good kaiso
True dat!
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on August 01, 2013, 11:30:43 AM
The Express said that this Jack said he got an agreement from concacaf to go ahead an sue David Simmons....things to make you go....hmmm :thinking:. Nevertheless, don't miss your court date partner. I want to see this one because yuh promise to sue Lasana, that didn't happen. Yuh promise the tsunami and ting, that didn't happen. Yuh hire big time attorney an ting to clear your name, that eh happen. Yuh say you go turn in your diplomatic passport, that ain't happen. Yuh say you could fly to the USA anytime, that ain't happening. Oh yeah, right, yuh sick of flying. Yuh go fly to the USA when you become prime minister. Yuh go do like the fella from Iraq. Yuh say crime go stop because yuh is the crime fighter, that eh happen. Wait, there is more. You say yuh developed football in the region, that didn't happen. Doh f&@king mess this one up. Yuh heard?

you know if yuh change it up a lil bit what yuh write could be a good kaiso

Yuh could borrow the lyrics to go. Jus make sure ah get meh fee.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on August 02, 2013, 05:35:09 AM
Smoke screen as usual.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: weary1969 on August 02, 2013, 08:42:07 PM
Smoke screen as usual.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: Flex on August 03, 2013, 06:54:51 AM
CONCACAF STATEMENT

CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons.  CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community.  CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: grimm01 on August 03, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
CONCACAF STATEMENT

CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons.  CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community.  CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.



Jack was talking out his backside for the ignorant and dotish who lap up any crap that fall out his pie hole. Anyone with any modicum of sense would question why CONCACAF would give him (persona non grata) permission to sue the person they commissioned to conduct an investigation on their behalf. If Jack going to sue, he should be suing CONCACAF for issuing the report, not the man who write it on their behalf.
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: King Deese on August 03, 2013, 10:42:55 AM
CONCACAF STATEMENT

CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons.  CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community.  CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.



Thanks Flex, for clearing that up for me because I knew that statement this creep made was a lie. Everytime this jackarse lips move, a lie comes out.
The people of Chaguanas West. Gullable.
This creep said he is going back to parliament with more morals because of the people of Chaguanas West. That was a lie.
How do we know this?
He started out by saying he got an agreement from concacaf to sue David Simmons. A lie.
He said he was a dignified statesman. Another lie.
He got tv rights from fifa for $1. That's a lie.
He never abused his power as a minister. That's a lie.
And the lies played on and on...............
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: OutsideMan on August 03, 2013, 11:17:01 AM
Guys...I spoke to a good source in the T&T media via phone yesterday who mentioned to me that JW recently told him (the source) that he may be re-instated by FIFA. This is a statement I found absolutely unbelievable, and have a lot of trouble seeing where any part of that statement makes sense or is at all possible especially in light of all the controversy and investigations.

Has anyone heard this rumour at all?  I have a strong feeling that JW just talking BS as usual.

Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on August 03, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
Heard no talk of it. That wouldn't make any sense
Title: Re: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: D.H.W on August 03, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
CONCACAF STATEMENT

CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons.  CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community.  CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.



Thanks Flex, for clearing that up for me because I knew that statement this creep made was a lie. Everytime this jackarse lips move, a lie comes out.
The people of Chaguanas West. Gullable.
This creep said he is going back to parliament with more morals because of the people of Chaguanas West. That was a lie.
How do we know this?
He started out by saying he got an agreement from concacaf to sue David Simmons. A lie.
He said he was a dignified statesman. Another lie.
He got tv rights from fifa for $1. That's a lie.
He never abused his power as a minister. That's a lie.
And the lies played on and on...............

Jack lies all the time. Another smoke screen to look good. I accustom with it now
Title: Re: Jack dimisses Concacaf probe PM STUNNED
Post by: weary1969 on August 03, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
CONCACAF STATEMENT

CONCACAF unequivocally denies the allegation by Jack Warner that has been reported by the press that CONCACAF has given him permission to undertake or consented to any legal action by Mr. Warner against Sir David Simmons.  CONCACAF has had no discussions with Mr. Warner regarding, nor does it consent to the undertaking of, any legal action against Sir David Simmons, any other member of the Integrity Committee, any member or executive of CONCACAF or any member of the Football community.  CONCACAF fully supports the findings of the independent Integrity Committee.



Thanks Flex, for clearing that up for me because I knew that statement this creep made was a lie. Everytime this jackarse lips move, a lie comes out.
The people of Chaguanas West. Gullable.
This creep said he is going back to parliament with more morals because of the people of Chaguanas West. That was a lie.
How do we know this?
He started out by saying he got an agreement from concacaf to sue David Simmons. A lie.
He said he was a dignified statesman. Another lie.
He got tv rights from fifa for $1. That's a lie.
He never abused his power as a minister. That's a lie.
And the lies played on and on...............

Jack lies all the time. Another smoke screen to look good. I accustom with it now

CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: JW!!!
Post by: frico on August 11, 2013, 06:46:47 AM
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on August 11, 2013, 07:05:39 AM
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.

or else what?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: frico on August 11, 2013, 08:06:46 AM
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.

or else what?
Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on August 11, 2013, 06:08:25 PM
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.

or else what?
Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.

So we must sorry massa Jack we need d$ 4 d football 2 progress.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on August 12, 2013, 11:08:20 AM
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.

or else what?
Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.

So we must sorry massa Jack we need d$ 4 d football 2 progress.
If we have to do dat we might as well go and get pointers from Camps and Groden now.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on August 12, 2013, 02:25:01 PM
The man could be the next PM of TT,ah hear he already got Laventille in the palm of his hands,what a ting eh,de man get Chaguanas arredy what next.Ah hope allyuh like im now,allyuh haffi stop cussin im and hating im or else.

or else what?
Remember we football always need money so if allyuh carry on cussin im he could hold back plenty $$$ and we football need it.I imagine he could be the next PM fi true.

So we must sorry massa Jack we need d$ 4 d football 2 progress.
If we have to do dat we might as well go and get pointers from Camps and Groden now.

After all them write d book
Title: Jacks win draws foreign attention
Post by: Socapro on August 14, 2013, 11:08:05 PM
Jacks win draws foreign attention
T&T Guardian Reports.
 

Parliamentarians are not immune from extradition. That was the comment given to the Miami Herald newspaper by Peter Carr, a spokesman for the United States Department of Justice, following former national security minister Jack Warners successful re-election as the MP for the Chaguanas West constituency on Monday. Carr gave the comment as the newspaper highlighted Warners election victory dispite the fact that several allegations of bribery and corruption during his tenure in Fifa and Concacaf still hang over his head, and the fact that he is the subject of an FBI investigation.

Responding to questions about the allegations over Warners head and the FBI probe, Carr said the US Department of Justice does not comment on cases under investigation. But he noted that parliamentarians are not immune from extradition. Warners victory received international attention, with news outlets as far as New Zealand reporting on the election results. Warner, who was also the chairman of the United National Congress, resigned from his posts and his seat in Parliament in April, after a damning report on his tenure at Concacaf, which was prepared by Sir David Simmons. Warner has since threatened to sue Simmons over the report. Following his resignation, Warner formed the Independent Liberal Party and beat the Governments candidate, Khadijah Ameen, in a landslide victory on Monday.

International newspapers have described Warner as an ex-soccer official who made a political comeback. The Washington Post said Warner had easily won back a seat in Parliament just after he was forced to resign from Government because of corruption allegations stemming from his tenure as a longtime soccer power broker. The paper also mentioned that at the time, Warner was the countrys national security minister. An Indian news outlet, News Track India, attributed Warners win to Indian expats, as it described the T&T Indian community. It said Warner could claim credit for this turnaround in the fortunes of the Indian expatriate community. He is popular among them, has both charm and charisma, and almost always brings a fresh air of hope to the political landscape.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on August 16, 2013, 05:32:10 AM
Socapro, yuh have a link for this story??
Title: TTFF must probe those missing millions
Post by: Socapro on September 07, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
TTFF must probe those missing millions
T&T Express Letters
Story Created: Sep 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM ECT

It is with dismay I have read of the dire plight of the TTFF (Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation), in debt to the tune of $25 million, with little prospect of fulfilling its financial obligations.

(Sunday Express, September 1, 2013). I here suggest the TTFF declare itself bankrupt. Under the provisions of the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act 2006, a licensed insolvency trustee will be appointed to meticulously examine the utterly blatant misappropriation of tens of millions of TTFF funds as revealed by Sunday Express investigative reporter Camini Marajh.
 
I quote from Part I, published on April 14, 2013:
 
Sunday Express investigations show that the former Special Adviser to the TTFF transferred out tens of millions of dollars from the national football associations accounts to a local organising company, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, which was set up by his personal accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

Jack Warner was both a director and chairman of LOC Germany 2006 Ltd. Financial records show at least $100 million in public and private sector funds have gone missing. Tens of millions of dollars in World Cup funds were being tapped from TTFFs bank accounts by the Warner-run LOC Germany entity, and by private corporations owned by him.
 
I quote from Part II, published on April 15, 2013:
 
In the three-year period under review, 2005-2007, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd diverted to itself over $32 million in grants and sponsorship money paid into two TTFF accounts held with Republic Bank. JAW Ltd, a Warner company, redirected to itself more than $13 million in public and private sector money held at the Republic Bank West Mall and Long Circular branches.

Financial records, TTFF bank statements and other documents in the possession of this newspaper show about $3 million in grant money to the national football federation being moved to Jamad Ltd, another private Warner entity. The documents show about $9 million was re-routed from the two Republic Bank accounts to Warner himself.
 
To date, Jack Warner has not sued the Trinidad Express Newspapers Ltd for libel. Neither had he issued any statement vehemently denying the incredible revelation that over $100 million of public and private sector funds raised in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign cannot be accounted for. According to the Soca Warriors, it is more than $150 million in funds that have gone missing.
 
I quote from the Sunday Guardian of March 25, 2012, in a full-page ad
 
addressed to the Prime Minister.
 
Despite substantial evidence gathered by the players relating to the amount of funds collected by the TTFF, Oliver Camps, and the LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, a sum in excess of $150 million is still unaccounted for. This includes something in the region of $80 million of taxpayers dollars awarded by the government.
 
I urge TTFF president Raymond Tim Kee to act in the name of decency, honesty and integrity.
 
Ishmael Samad
via e-mail


Title: Re: TTFF must probe those missing millions
Post by: dreamer on September 08, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
Any movement to address the missing milions from the TTFF/TTFA would be welcome. We need to keep our eyes on the ball. Just because we scored some goals recently and we feeling a little more optimistic in the new Hart-as-coach era, does not mean we cyah keep the administration accountable on corruption issues and transparency.
Title: Re: TTFF must probe those missing millions
Post by: vb on September 08, 2013, 06:13:15 PM
Sadly, the TTFF will not probe themselves.

How many present Board Members were there during the JW era.

Best case scenario is they demonstrate how useless and impotent they were whilst money was mismanaged by others.

I shudder that these ppl still have anything to do with our football.

VB
Title: Re: TTFF must probe those missing millions
Post by: dreamer on September 08, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Sadly, the TTFF will not probe themselves.

How many present Board Members were there during the JW era.

Best case scenario is they demonstrate how useless and impotent they were whilst money was mismanaged by others.

I shudder that these ppl still have anything to do with our football.

VB

 :beermug:
Title: Re: TTFF must probe those missing millions
Post by: KND2 on September 08, 2013, 07:19:51 PM
Jack go say he was just taking back the money he been putting into trinidad football since the 70 s .

When u needed a boots back in the day
Uncle jack provided that

Now we make the World Cup

Let me take my money first.

That is to be expected
Title: Re: TTFF must probe those missing millions
Post by: royal on September 08, 2013, 08:53:40 PM
Jack go say he was just taking back the money he been putting into trinidad football since the 70 s .

When u needed a boots back in the day
Uncle jack provided that

Now we make the World Cup

Let me take my money first.

That is to be expected

Jack did not come into the association with money. He was a Polytechnic history teacher. He took money from de association very early in his reign .There was absolutely no accountability in de association. Jack spent time, countless hours working for football whereas de other executives sat on their behinds. Maybe Jack felt de association money was rightfully his? 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 26, 2013, 03:17:33 AM
Warner in court over $1.2m lawsuit.
By Reshma Ragoonath (Guardian).


Interim leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner made his first appearance yesterday in the lawsuit brought against him by Imamuddin Baksh, managing director of Graphix Advantage Ltd, over money owed to him for work done during the 2010 Fifa Under-17 Womens World Cup.

Baksh claims the former national security minister, in his capacity as special adviser to the T&T Football Federation (TTFF) and chairman of the Local Organising Committee (LOC) for the event, failed to pay the $1.2 million he owed Graphix Advantage Ltd. Warner did not appear in court at the first hearing of the case in April and High Court judge Frank Seepersad ordered him to be present when the case was called again.

Yesterday Warner, who was accompanied by his security guards, appeared in the San Fernando High Court for a status hearing. His lawyer, Attorney Om Lalla, instructed by Dereck Balliram, told the court the defence had filed all its witness statements and documents. An application was made to have the LOC for 2010 Fifa Under-17 Womens World Cup made a party to the proceedings. Seepersad granted it and ordered LOC to be served with notice to join the proceedings.

The case was adjourned to Monday for both parties to file statements and documents. As Warner left the San Fernando High Court yesterday he was greeted with cheers and applause by onlookers waiting outside the Magistrates Court, opposite the High Court. Shouts of look the next Prime Minister, Jack, Tabaquite is yours and Jack we love you, were heard as Warner walked to his car.

Warner stopped, waved to onlookers and shouted: If you cant go to Point Fortin tonight (last night), you could listen. He was referring to his political meeting last night in Point Fortin. Baksh, in his lawsuit, claims Warner contracted his company to print and install signs at all national stadiums locally when Fifas 2010 Under-17 Womens World Cup was held.

Warner was the special adviser to the TTFF at the time and chairman of the LOC of Fifa. The businessman claimed he was paid only $98,555 and outstanding balance of $1,262,413.19, was yet to be paid. He is seeking interest on the outstanding balance.

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/sites/default/files/field/image/Jack%20%26%20Om%20Lalla.png)
Interim leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) Jack Warner, left, and his lawyer, Om Lalla, leave the San Fernando High Court yesterday. Photo: Tony Howell.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on October 20, 2013, 05:39:24 AM
Warner fails to pay taxes
By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (Express).
Story Created: Oct 19, 2013.


Austin Jack Warner, the once powerful football figure who boasted of having deep pockets before his entry into politics, has been operating outside this countrys tax laws with impunity for more than a decade in what tax experts say is a deliberate scheme to evade the payment of personal and corporate taxes.

And, as continuing Sunday Express investigations have found, he failed to disclose tens of millions of dollars in cash gifts received from miscellaneous sources and beneficial interests held in no less than 15 business entities as required by the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA) 2000.

Warner, who has been the subject of national and international investigations into allegations of financial fraud, has failed to file corporation tax returns for all of his registrable interests disclosed in his statements of return made to the Integrity Commission (IC), the State watchdog agency tasked with keeping public officials honest.

The stockpile of evidence, collected in an ongoing Sunday Express investigation, reveal that the former government minister, Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, interim political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) and the man who is offering himself as a prospective prime minister of this country, failed to file corporation tax returns for any of his many business interests in more than a decade and in one or two instancesseven years. 

Off the Grid

In the case of three of his business interestsEastern Agricultural Resorts Ltd, JAW Holdings Ltd and JAW Ltdthere is no record of any of these companies even being registered with the Board of Inland Revenue (BIR), according to persons with knowledge of the situation. Warner, who served at times as this countrys acting prime minister and is the listed owner of a substantial business empire which  includes the US$26 million Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, also failed to file any personal income tax returns for the last three years.

His last return filed in 2009 reported a net income of TT$651,893 with consultancy fees from the Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) of US$75,000 or TT$472,500. Total emolument income, including pension, was said to be $179,393. His tax return, however, failed to reflect honoraria payments made by footballs ruling body for North and Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf) of which he was president until a 2011 cash-for-votes corruption scandal put an end to his world football administrator career.

Concacaf insiders report that Warner was provided with an American Express card with a US$10,000 a year credit limit, attendance fees of US$10,000 per board meeting (this figure was increased to US$15,000 in 2010), a per diem allowance of US$175 and hotel and air travel expenses whenever he had to go abroad on Concacafs business. The board of the regions governing football body met twice, sometimes three times a year.

Warner also failed to disclose the honoraria payments he received from Concacaf to the IC in direct breach of the IPLA legislation. In a December 9, 2011 response to an IC request for additional information relating to his statement of registrable interests, he made clear that he was not employed by Concacaf and had been provided only with a vehicle from the football body.                                                           

Tax Evasion

He also reported not being in receipt of any employment or dividend income from 11 of the 12 business entities he disclosed an interest in to the IC. The list of Warners 11 comprise: Sportel Ltd, Multi Stores Ltd, Eastern Agricultural Resorts Ltd, Jamad Maintenance Services Ltd, Reenalen Ltd, JAW Ltd, Renraw Ltd, Kantac Ltd, JAW Holdings Ltd, Joe Public Ltd and H&Z Ltd.

In correspondence dated February 7 this year, his long-time pal and accountant-in-chief Kenny Rampersad informed the IC that Warner held investments in the Cayman Island company, J&D International (which derived tens of millions of US dollars from Warners controversial acquisition of World Cup broadcasting rights for the region), and CCAM Ltd.

As reported in an earlier series published in this newspaper, Warner bought the TV rights for several World Cup editions for a mere US$1 in a backroom deal in Zurich. Publicly, the deal was sold as a rescue effort to save the financially-stricken Warner-created and controlled CFU but privately, the lucrative TV rights were diverted to Warners offshore company.

CCAM is one of three partners behind a trading entity called the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence (CoE), the disputed asset which was listed on the books of Concacaf for years by Rampersad and which Warner claimed was a gift from FIFA. CCAM has failed to file corporate tax returns for more than a decade or pay any taxes, including VAT.

Opaque Dealings

Renraw Ltd, the other business partner behind the CoE has also failed to file corporation tax returns for the last seven years in clear contravention of the Income Tax Act. It has, however, filed VAT returns, for the CoE. But the revenue figures submitted in the VAT filings for the CoE in the last 14 years, according to persons with knowledge of the situation, suggest under-reporting and in some instances, no reporting of income.

For example, Renraw claimed an average annual CSM (Commercial Supplies Made) or revenue stream  of  TT$7.5  million.

In each of the last four years which gave it a VAT liability of about $300,000 a year. In 2000, Renraw reported $1.3 million income for the CoE.  No return was filed for 2001 and in 2002, revenue was reported at $2.9 million.

Concacafs financial statements for 1999 show payments of US$1,415,388 or TT$8.8 million going to the CoE for what is described as courses. In 2001, this figure went up to US$2,291,762 or TT$13.9 million. In 2009, Concacaf paid CoE US$650,738 or just over TT$4 million for courses run at the Macoya sport and hotel facility. In 2010, the figure was US$578,608 or TT$3.6 million. Renraw did not file VAT returns for the CoE for several years including 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008.

It is not clear whether the VAT returns filed by Renraw represent that companys share of earnings from the CoE and whether they include revenue from Bollywood concerts, trade shows, weddings and miscellaneous other events. The tax laws require each member of a partnership to disclose income to the BIR. In this case, none of the partners, including Warner himself, disclosed income to the national tax collection agency. Warner also failed to disclose income from his Cayman activities.
 
Withholding VAT

And in yet another contravention of Trinidad and Tobagos tax laws, a trading entity called Le Sportel Inn, another Warner business creation owned by the same three partnersCCAM, Renraw and Warnerand the apparent management company of the CoE, has been issuing invoices without evidence of a VAT registration number stated in the billing document, as required by law.

Documents obtained by this newspaper show another Warner company, Jamad Ltd doing the same thing. A 2004 Jamad invoice shows office rent charges issued to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) for $30,000 with a 15 per cent tax rate of $4,500. It is not clear whether the tax charged is for VAT but the company has not filed VAT returns since April 14, 2003.

Sources report that some of these matters, all criminal offences, have been engaging the attention of the tax authorities and the Integrity Commission. Warner, who failed to disclose his shareholder interest in Jamad Ltd to the IC, received five cheque payments totaling $1 million in 2007 from contractor and UNC (United National Congress) financier Krishna Lalla.

Million dollar payments

He received $27.1 million in more cheque payments through an entity called Centre of Excellence/Indoor Facility and another half a million through the CFU from Lalla, none of which he disclosed to the IC and/or the Board of Inland Revenue as required by law.

Warner who entered public life in 2007 as a Member of Parliament also failed to disclose the huge cash payments he received from Lalla that year. In all, he is reported to have collected $60 million in cash and cheque payments from Lalla, who in court filings, contends the money was a loan. Warner insists it was a gift.

The controversial football figure who built a billion-dollar empire on a foundation of questionable gains also failed to report to the IC and to the BIR a US$250,000 cash payment he received in 2008 from disgraced ex-AFC (Asian Football Federation) president Mohamed bin Hammam. Adding to the complex web of inter-connected layering of companies are asset and property buys, warehoused in a myriad number of business entities.

As reported in the 12-part Sunday Express series published earlier this year, Warner is using a multitude of entities to hide his business dealings, including the theft of some $100 million in public and private sector funds paid to the TTFF in support of 2006 World Cup campaign. Financial statements and bank records in the possession of this newspaper show substantial payments in the tens of millions of dollars paid to Warner, his private companies, other family-owned businesses and another Warner-controlled creation called LOC Germany.

Maze of companies

JAW Ltd, a private Warner company, redirected more than $13 million in public and private sector money held at TTFF Republic West Mall and Long Circular branches to itself. Another $3 million in grant money paid to the national football federation was moved to Jamad Ltd, Warner companies that have not filed corporation tax returns in years.

The list of omitted entities in which Warner either had an interest or continues to hold a beneficial interest: Le Sportel Inn, Jamad Ltd, Catch of DDay, Arouca Development Company (struck off the company registrar since its last annual return filing on December 15, 2012), Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, Forbiz Ltd, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd, Ossature One Ltd, Concacaf, Magwar Ltd, DCoal Pot, DReef Ltd, Semi Professional Football League, Dos Ninos Ltd and La Batimeat Ltd. Warner was unavailable for comment.

Continues next week

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on October 20, 2013, 06:38:07 AM
So what happens next? More talk or action.? Will he be charged?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on October 20, 2013, 06:58:44 AM
Undeclared: A cheque payment made to Jamad Ltd, in which Jack Warner has a beneficial interest, not disclosed to the Integrity Commission or the Board of Inland Revenue.
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DISPUTED PAYMENT: One of several cheques made to an entity called the Centre of Excellence to a Krishna Lalla company, Elite Security Consultants, also not disclosed to the Integrity Commission or the Board of Inland Revenue.
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NO VAT REGISTRATION: The 2004 Jamad Ltd invoice to the TTFF for $30,000 office rent. Note the absence of a VAT registration number and what appears to be a 15 per cent VAT charge of $4,500. The company has not filed VAT returns since April 14, 2003.
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on October 20, 2013, 07:20:05 AM
And this is why domestic Trini football struggles to keep financially afloat... What a scumbag
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on October 20, 2013, 07:54:07 AM
And this is why domestic Trini football struggles to keep financially afloat... What a scumbag

He needs to be locked up, lets see how he wiggles out this.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 20, 2013, 08:06:11 AM
And this is why domestic Trini football struggles to keep financially afloat... What a scumbag

He needs to be locked up, lets see how he wiggles out this.

As many of you will recall, several years ago I stated that Warner will suffer the same fate as Al Capone. No matter how many crimes he committed, they got him on tax evasion.
I am not sure of the tax laws in T&T, but each offence is dealt with separately. So, if you fail to provide an accurate tax return for your business in 2007, you may get 6 months in jail. If you failed to do the same in 2008, 09, 10, 11, 12 that's 36 months jail time. If you have 10 companies, that's 360 months or 30 years. And it gets worse, because you not only have company tax and vat, then you have personal taxation. Failing to report income is also an offence.
If what the Express says is true, and the authorities prosecute, there could be a 100 year jail sentence somewhere down the line.
But I'm sure this is just an oversight of some kind and it will soon be rectified.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on October 20, 2013, 08:12:20 AM
Effin crook. Curious to see what the Jackula supporters on this site will say now. Pure evil.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on October 20, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
Effin crook. Curious to see what the Jackula supporters on this site will say now. Pure evil.
       That damn crook  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: i don't know why people voteing for him.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on October 20, 2013, 09:44:11 AM
The same way the corrupt always do - distort the truth, erect a facade of helping the community through well placed bundles of cash, focus on those ignored by the mainstream political parties, carefully manage information flow into key areas, and NEVER admit your wrongdoings.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on October 20, 2013, 09:53:33 AM
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat. Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference   


TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 20, 2013, 11:55:11 AM
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference   


TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
 

Jack even steals from the poor.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on October 20, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152623741785931&set=a.52185195930.87055)
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on October 20, 2013, 01:27:58 PM
A reminder of some toxic Jackula-related issues still plaguing the new TTFA and its ability to get revenue.
http://www.transparencyinsport.org/When_Blatter_gave_Warner_secret_TV_rights/when_blatter_gave_warner_secret_tv_rights.html
When Little Jackulito stones geh squeeze by the interrogators in de US, a hope he sings (hee hee like Michael Jackson) to de high heavens.
Coop's ah know yuh real real proud of yuh boy.  Ideal mentor & role model for de young ones eh?



Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on October 20, 2013, 03:06:11 PM
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference   


TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
 

Jack even steals from the poor.

really didn't want to go there Bakes. After all dis could be a future PM of T&T.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on October 20, 2013, 03:17:37 PM
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference   


TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
 

Jack even steals from the poor.

really didn't want to go there Bakes. After all dis could be a future PM of T&T.

 :puking:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 20, 2013, 04:19:49 PM
what people doh realize is dat they dealing with Jack shadiness as if it was from '06 onwards. Jack has been shady from the first time he entered TTFA in the '70's.
Ah hear people in Trinidad call him Robin Hood, well he is not even dat Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, Jack steal from the rich gives to himself then when he feels like and when it benefits him then he gives pittance to the poor. Big difference   


TTFA should be going after Jack but they doh have de guts and probable the finances.
 

Jack even steals from the poor.

really didn't want to go there Bakes. After all dis could be a future PM of T&T.

Effin crook. Curious to see what the Jackula supporters on this site will say now. Pure evil.
       That damn crook  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: i don't know why people voteing for him.

yuh doh think people vote for crooks? this says more about the people than it does about jack
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on October 21, 2013, 06:46:22 AM
Robin Hood? Nah! More like Robin de Hood.

This man as the next prime minister? What a f@&kin disaster.

If that tax evasion report is true, it is more of a reflection of the nauseating refusal of an unprofessional and ineffective law enforcement community to perform their jobs. I mean, an attorney general who admitted to not knowing anything about criminal law. A minister of justice? What justice. A friggin police commissioner who is still acting as one, admitting to knowing for a fact who the gang leaders are, but cannot prove it. The deputy actor as commissioner of police who gave up the investigation because he couldn't get Google to respond to his alleged request. Minister of national security trying to scare the criminals with lip service. And so on, and so on. Just a bunch of f%#kin pretenders. Makes me sick.

If this man is allowed to walk the streets with impunity from punishment then all the little people who were prosecuted for fraud and tax evasion must be released from prison, because what is good for this coubeau, has to be good for the gander.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on October 21, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
What happened with the election?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on October 22, 2013, 01:22:42 AM
PNM won 8 seats, UNC 5, ILP and COP none, but Chaguanas is hung
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on October 27, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
Part 2

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Jack-reaps-millions-for-US1-229410751.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on October 28, 2013, 10:40:32 AM
WOW!!!

Jack reaps millions for US$1
Warners dealings Part II
By By Camini Marajh Head Investigative Desk (T&T Express)

Austin Jack Warner, Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, failed to disclose the US$10 million he pocketed in 2010 in a hallmark self-dealing transaction involving his private offshore company, J&D International, and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), of which he was president and which up until May last year was not a legal entity.
 
Continuing Sunday Express investigations reveal that the former football jefe failed to disclose tens of millions of US dollars of income from the sale of Caribbean media broadcast rights to International Media Content Ltd, which operates SportsMax cable channel, for several World Cup tournaments, including the 2010 edition in South Africa.
 
The hallmark Warner deal saw the sale of World Cup television rights for the Caribbean region brokered through his private Cayman company, J&D International, and another Warner shell creation trading as the CFU.
 
 The rich backroom deal was brokered in 2001 in a bid to silence critics in Zurich about what former general secretary of the Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), Michel Zen-Ruffinen, had described as self-serving transactions and the raw pursuit of personal profit.
 
Warner, a former executive committee (ExCo) member of the world football governing body, used his FIFA connections and close relationship with FIFA president Sepp Blatter to wrest ownership rights of the 2002 World Cup from key rival Caribbean Satellite Television Network (CSTN).
 
In an elaborate scheme to channel the TV rights in Warners direction, FIFAs marketing partner, Kirch Media, created what was alleged to be a false claim to terminate its legal contract with CSTNnow the subject of a legal dispute with FIFA.
 
The backroom heist gave Warner control of Caribbean TV rights for several World Cup tournaments for a mere US$1, but sharp criticism from FIFA ExCo members, Lennart Johannasson and Zen-Ruffinen, forced Warner to relinquish the rights to the regional football body CFU.
 
 But in a classic behind-the-scenes himself-to-himself deal, Warner, on December 10, 2001, sold the rights held by his Cayman company to the  paper CFU company, of which he had complete control, for US$4.2 million.
 
Warner signed on behalf of J&D International and Harold Taylor, a long-time Warner aide, signed as an authorised CFU official.
 
Esther Dubarry, one of Warners secretaries of long standing and corporate secretary to several of his private corporations, signed as a witness to the agreement.
 
FIFA told the world that the award of the lucrative television rights was intended to provide an additional source of revenue for football development in the CFU.
 
The TV rights and the money flows from it went instead to Warners offshore company, according to FIFA insiders.
 
In the layered transaction, the Cayman company sold the rights to the CFU and privately negotiated the CFU TV rights sale to MCL SportsMax for some US$6 million.
 
Persons with knowledge of the situation told the Sunday Express that the broadcast income stayed with Warners Cayman company.
 
The CFU, the regional football body which was registered as a not-for-profit organisation in May 2012 in Jamaica, operated throughout its more than 20-year-old history at a loss. Insiders report the football body saw little, if any, of the TV rights money and to this day is yet to get any informationincluding financial records and bank statementsfrom its former president and/or its chief accountant and auditor Kenny Rampersad, Warners main man of business.
 
Sources say the Cayman company negotiated and retained a reported US$8 million paid by MCL SportsMax for the 2006 World Cup tournament and another US$10 million for the 2010 edition, income that Warner failed to disclose to the Board of Inland Revenue (BIR).
 
As reported last week, Warner has been operating outside this countrys tax laws for more than a decade and has failed to  file corporation tax returns for any of his registrable interests disclosed in his statements of return to the Integrity Commission.
 
Other payments made to the Cayman-registered J&D International by businessman and United National Congress (UNC) financier Krishna Lalla were also not disclosed to the local tax collection agency.
 
Persons with knowledge of the situation say Warner received five payments totaling US$800,000 from Lalla over a four-month period in 2007, the same year he became a public official and subject to scrutiny under the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA) legislation.
 
Lalla also made a US$500,000 wire transfer payment to a Warner account at First Citizens Bank, Queens Park West, Port of Spain branch.
 
He paid another $500,000 (part of a $60 million payout) to a private CFU account held at Republic Bank on Tragarete Road in Port of Spain.
 
CFU insiders say the football body did not see a cent of that money.
 
The International Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), in reviewing the 2011 cash-for-votes affair involving CFU officials, took special note of the secret CFU bank account from which Warner was alleged to have paid his former close pal-turned-whistle blower Chuck Blazer two cheques totaling US$445,000, payments that are engaging the attention of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and US tax authorities, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
 
The majority of the CAS panel found Warner, the main architect of the Port of Spain-arranged CFU summit with then FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, to be an unreliable witness who had a detached relationship with the truth.
 
Former CFU officials say they have no knowledge of any of the transactions hitting the parallel account held at Republic Bank. They also maintain that Warner had complete control of the official US and TT bank accounts held in the name of the football body.
 
CFU officials say Warner left the regional football body, which has been the beneficiary of substantial financial grants from FIFA, completely broke.
 
As reported in a previous series, published in this newspaper, the offshore account for J&D International at Fidelity Bank (Cayman) Ltd was set up by Jeffrey Webb, Warners successor at CONCACAF and now Blatters choice to succeed him as president of FIFA.

To be continued
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on October 28, 2013, 03:54:27 PM
Applause as usual from certain twisted minds who cyah quite tell right from wrong and pure evil from good. What a hero .... ent Coop's?
When last allyuh and Horner lash some drinks together and reminisce. Shame on de Express, shame on greedy Sancho and de warriors and shame on us for exposin' / criticizing a true Trini "hero".
Title: Probe Jack
Post by: FF on January 24, 2014, 02:50:58 AM
PROBE JACK
By Ria Taitt (Trinidad Express)


Integrity Commission writes President: Appoint tribunal into alleged football fraud

Things seem to be turning against Jack Warner.

The Integrity Commission has asked President Anthony Carmona to appoint a tribunal to investigate the Chaguanas West MP and former National Security minister.

The President-appointed tribunal will determine whether Warners declarations of his income, assets and liabilities to the Integrity Commission can stand scrutiny and constitute full disclosure of his financial affairs.

Warner, who appeared at one time to be riding the crest of a wave, now seems to be becalmed, with a series of reversals since his Independent Liberal Partys (ILP) poor showing at the local government election last November.

In a release issued yesterday, the Integrity Commission said it took note in April 2013 of the report of the Integrity Committee appointed by the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Associations of FootballConcacaf (chaired by former Barbados chief justice Sir David Simmons) which alleged Warner committed fraud against Concacaf and FIFA, in connection with the Centre of Excellence in Macoya and in respect of financial statements of Concacaf.

That damning report found Warner had, among other things, deceived persons and organisations about his ownership of the Centre of Excellence.

The Simmons report also accused Warner of misappropriating funds and committing fraud.

The Integrity Commission said in the interest of the public, it decided to enquire further into these allegations of fraud. It cited Section 22 of the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA), which states the commission may on its own initiative...consider and enquire into any alleged breaches of the Act or any allegations of corrupt or dishonest conduct.

The Integrity Commission stated further, in pursuance of this, it had written to the President, in accordance with Section 15 of the IPLA, requesting the appointment of a tribunal to enquire further into declarations submitted by Warner.

The act has specific provision for this. Section 15 of the IPLA states: Where upon the examination referred to in Section 13, the commission is of the opinion that it should enquire further into any declaration so as to ascertain whether there has been a full disclosure, it may advise the President to appoint a tribunal of two or more of its members to conduct an enquiry to verify the contents of the declaration or the statement filed with the commission.

The Integrity Commission is mandated by Section 13 of the act to examine every declaration that is filed and ensure it complies with the requirements of the act.

In response, Warner said: It is passing strange that the issue in the air now is about a drug bust and the Integrity Commission sees it fit to use this as a diversion, no doubt, under instructions, to come up with an investigation in an issue where neither FIFA nor Concacaf has shown an interest.

It is a smokescreen. The timing of the commissions statement is suspicious, but my lawyers and I will deal with it in the fullness of time.

The Integrity Commission has never used this procedureof asking the President to set up a tribunalbefore.

In the past, the commission has tended to send a matter directly to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) in instances where it was not satisfied with the responses given by a declarant to questions about the declaration, which was the procedure used in the case against Basdeo Panday.

The former prime minister had been accused of failing to declare a London bank account in his declaration to the Integrity Commission.

However, Senior Magistrate Marcia Murray, in June 2012, dismissed the case against Panday because she found the Integrity Commission and the DPP failed to fully and fairly investigate the matter before laying charges against Panday.

Murray had pointed out the commission failed to comply with a provision in the act which required it to advise the President to appoint a tribunal to enquire into the declaration.

 Mr Panday was not given the opportunity, to which he was entitled, to be heard by a properly constituted tribunal, Murray had stated.

 The DPP has challenged the magistrates findings and that matter is ongoing.

However, the commission, in requesting the President to appoint a tribunal, is making sure its actions are not criticised by the court, in the event any of its decisions are challenged.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on January 24, 2014, 03:42:06 AM
He's probably right about the smokescreen, but doesn't mean he shouldn't be investigated - everyone and their mother knows he's a corrupt SOB
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on January 25, 2014, 12:09:58 AM
I have to be honest with myself here and admit that this is the first time I agree with this Jack Warner fella.

In response, Warner said: It is passing strange that the issue in the air now is about a drug bust and the Integrity Commission sees it fit to use this as a diversion, no doubt, under instructions, to come up with an investigation in an issue where neither FIFA nor Concacaf has shown an interest.

It makes me wonder why. They, CONCACAF, CFU and the TTFF/TTFA, clearly have things to hide themselves. Why no law suit to recover some, if not all, of that missing funds? :cursing:

The ambition of former CONCACAF and Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president Jack Warner
knew no bounds. His sycophants, spread across most of the 25 CFU member nations, bought
into Warners swagger and the suggestion that he and FIFA were the same.

Trinidad and Tobago comes within a point of the 1990 World Cup and then goes a step
further in 2006, Jamaica qualifies in 1998 while St Vincent and the Grenadines, St Kitts
and Nevis and Barbados enjoy periods of relative success in between. In almost every
case, the financial rewards for their positive showings was not administered in a way
that would benefit the islands football structure or never makes it into the coffers of
the respective associations at all. Islands pocket millions from FIFA grants and developmental
programs without properly accounting for its use.

Nearly half the member associations charged with improper conduct in relation to the
Bin Hammam bribery scandal had not played a single international game in that calendar
year. And yet there they were with hands out for oil money as they mused over the possible
identity of the next FIFA President.

Warner is suspected of using funds from the CFU, CONCACAF and TTFF accounts as though
it was his private account.

In a total meltdown at a CONCACAF meeting in the Marriott Hotel in Zurich, CFU countries - who
received the $40,000 cash for votes, could be heard arguing loudly amongst themselves over
whether to follow the example of Puerto Rico and return the money.

In a report given by Angenie Kanhai, she states:

"I was directed to coordinate the special meeting of the CFU by Mr. Jack Warner, who was
at that time, president of the CFU. Mr. Warner initially requested the meeting be held by
April 18, 2011, but the May date was ultimately agreed. The purpose of the special meeting
was to provide Mr. Bin Hammam with the opportunity to address the delegates from the CFU.
On May 10, 2011, Mr. Warner advised me that he had gifts, which were to be distributed to the
delegates. Mr. Warner did not tell me what the gifts were, but advised that they were to be
distributed from the Hotel that afternoon. After consulting with my staff, Jason Sylvester
and Debbie Minguell, I suggested to Mr. Warner that the gifts be distributed between 3PM and 5PM
that day. During the morning session on May 10, Mr. Warner made an announcement to the attendees
about picking up the abovementioned gift. I was told that I should come to his office to
collect the gifts that were to be distributed. I arrived at Mr. Warner's office at approximately
2:30PM on May 10 and collected a locked bag with the key in the front pocket. The bag contained
26 envelopes, these envelopes were unmarked and were folded and sealed. I did not see any
envelopes opened and left Debbie Minguell and Jason Sylvester to distribute the envelopes.
The next day I met Debbie and Jason for breakfast at the hotel and they advised me that
the envelopes had contained cash"

The report goes on to say:

"In speaking with the representative from the Bahamas I was advised that he had returned the
envelope. The representative from the Turks and Caicos returned the envelope to Ms Minguell
on the morning of May 11, 2011. After the meeting I was contacted by Mr. Warner who asked that
the bag and any remaining gifts be returned to him." Most of the federations who attended the
infamous meeting on May 10 and 11,organised by Warner - where the money was allegedly paid -
came forward and handed it back.

Efforts to remove Chuck Blazer from his post by Warner supporters fails in what appears to
be another attempt to bring him down. Complaints are made about remarks Blazer is
alleged to have made in a meeting in Zurich in May.
The official complaint is made in a letter to the Ethics Committee signed by 11 heads of
Caribbean Federations: Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, The Cayman Islands, Dominica, Guyana,
Grenada, Jamaica, St. Kitts & Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent & The Grenadines and Trinidad & Tobago,
but does not refer in any way to the bribery issues. The letter said Blazer made "statements
of contempt and slander that served to impugn the integrity, discriminate against and
infringe upon the personal rights" of CONCACAF members. "The statement of Mr Blazer flouts
the principle of a person being innocent before being proven guilty," it adds.

Jeffrey Webb, who took charge of Concacaf in 2012, launches an integrity report and audit into
the activities of his predecessor Jack Warner. It concludes there had been serious managerial
failings and that millions of dollars of funding had been misused.

John Collins, legal counsel for the body, which goes by the acronym CONCACAF, testifies to
the 40-nation body that after a five-month investigation, he found, among other things, that
former general secretary Chuck Blazer failed to correctly report taxes for at least four years,
and that ex-president Jack Warner registered a $22.5 million soccer center in his own name.
Webb, the only candidate to run for Warners old job, said he was shell-shocked, dismayed and
upset, according to a Bloomberg report. This should not happen in this day and age. We must
decide that it does not happen again.

Collins further said that the $22.5 million Joao Havelange Center of Excellence, a soccer
center funded by FIFA and CONCACAF, was actually owned by two companies controlled by Warner,
not the body itself as it had thought. Delegates gasped at hearing this, a Reuters report said.
"Members are obviously very disappointed, some of them deeply disappointed, and they have a
right to be," CONCACAF President Jeffrey Webb told The Associated Press at FIFA headquarters.
At a heated meeting in Budapest last May, members learned that Warner - not CONCACAF - legally
owned and had an unauthorized mortgage on a FIFA-funded $22.5 million training center in his
native Trinidad. Blazer's million-dollar payments from his 10 percent commissions, approved
by Warner, on commercial deals he helped negotiate also provoked outrage.

FIFA claims that most of the money they earn from selling football rights goes on
projects to help youngsters, tens of millions of dollars of FIFA money flows into
CONCACAF every year. But Mel Brennan, who worked for CONCACAF, discovered
that officials in the Federation's offices in Trinidad and New York were spending a lot of it
on themselves.

Today Warner lives in this opulent house in a well-to-do suburb. How did he make his money? There
was a CONCACAF office inside this modest building in downtown Port of Spain.
CONCACAF paid nearly a third of a million dollars a year for it. Why would Jack Warner's football
empire want to pay so much for offices in this building? Is it because the landlord is
Jack Warner? Mel Brennan leaves the Federation, he copies many incriminating
documents, including cheques of who was getting paid. Here you've got the CONCACAF
President's office. You've got 25,000 - 40,000 dollars a month of Jack making payments to Jack.

He's the landlord. CONCACAF pays him for his office. He had no problem paying himself.
And that was not all. Brennan stated: "We've got cheques here for paying people external to
CONCACAF, paying their taxes. We've got cheques here for thousands and thousands of dollars
worth of pens. We've got cheques here for CONCACAF staff members' mortgages. 

Brennan also suggested that Sepp Blatter knew how Jack was spending CONCACAF'S money. Well don't
forget, he said, Jack Warner controls 35 votes. He's the swing man regarding votes
and voting politics in FIFA. President Blatter stays in power at FIFA because he
can count on Warner's votes, even if it requires a little vote rigging. This was the day when
a country's vote was hijacked by Jack Warner. The year is 1998, it's the FIFA presidential
election in Paris. This is the delegate who cast that vote for the Caribbean Island of Haiti
except he isn't a delegate and he isn't from Haiti. Neville Ferguson is one of Jack Warner's
officials from Trinidad. The Haiti delegate couldn't travel to the Congress so without his
knowledge and flagrantly breaking FIFA's rules, Mr Ferguson cast Haiti's vote for Sepp Blatter.

When the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup, one company was given exclusive allocation.
The company even came up with a catchy slogan: "Ticket or leave it". This is the company, Simpaul
Travel of Port of Spain. It's around the corner from Jack Warner's offices, which is convenient
for him because Jack Warner and his wife owned Simpaul Travel. When news of this cosy arrangement
broke, the cries of foul went to the top of Trinidad Sport. Roger Boynes, Minister of Sport at
the time, suggested that Mr Warner cannot be the Vice President of FIFA, the President of CONCACAF,
a Director on Simpaul and the public can only go through Simpaul. It does not look right. It looks
as though it's a conflict of interest. 

Lasana Liburd exposed this ticket racket. He then suffered retribution from the football authorities
in Trinidad. Jack Warner banned him from the World Cup. Mr. Warner was angry enough to hold a
national press conference attacking Lasana personally, and angry enough to have him lose his
accreditation to the World Cup. But there was a huge international outcry after the articles had
gone global, and eventually FIFA stepped in, and accredited Liburd.

In 2001, Trinidad hosts FIFA's Under 17 World Championships, and there were juicy contracts to
be had. Mel Brennan, Head of Special Projects, CONCACAF 2001 - 2003, "There was a security contract
for the event. That went to a Warner Company, one of Jack Warner's sons. Another one of the Warner
sons got the fast food and drinks concessions contract for all five stadia for the event"

This was the first FIFA tournament where FIFA travel, the travel agency inside FIFA, didn't
organise travel for the event. Jack Warner's travel business, Simpaul Travel got it.
Roger Boynes, Minister of Sport, "I don't have any problem with the Warner family making a
dollar, I don't have a problem with them being entrepreneurs. What I do have a problem with, is
the manner in which it comes about, and as we see in several instants where no advertisement
have been taking place, and yet we find that the Warner's sons and Mr Warner for instance
benefited from contracts, and that is a concern that we, the people of Trinidad and Tobago and
the government, have.

Finally, Jeffrey Webb said he hoped Blazer and Warner would speak with the integrity panel and
give "the level of respect, and the membership the respect, that we deserve".

Yeah, go axe yuh mudda.





Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on March 17, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
He's front page news of the UK newspaper The Telegraph tomorrow.

Quote
>A senior Fifa official and his family were paid almost $2?million from a Qatari firm linked to the country’s successful bid for the 2022 World Cup, The Telegraph discloses.

Jack Warner, the former vice-president of Fifa, appears to have been personally paid $1.2?million (720,000) from a company controlled by a former Qatari football official shortly after the decision to award the country the tournament.

Payments totalling almost $750,000 were made to Mr Warner’s sons, documents show. A further $400,000 was paid to one of his employees.

It is understood that the FBI is now investigating Trinidad-based Mr Warner and his alleged links to the Qatari bid, and that the former Fifa official’s eldest son, who lives in Miami, has been helping the inquiry as a co-operating witness.

The awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar was one of the most controversial decisions in sporting history. The intense summer heat in the desert nation has raised the prospect of the tournament being moved to the winter for the first time.

Although Qatar has repeatedly denied wrongdoing during the bidding process, it has long been suspected that the decision was flawed, and several members of the Fifa committee have faced corruption allegations.

Today it can be disclosed that a company owned by Mohamed Bin Hammam, the Fifa executive member for Qatar, appeared to pay $1.2?million to Mr Warner in 2011.

A note from one of Mr Warner’s companies, Jamad, to Mr Bin Hammam’s firm, Kemco, requested $1.2?million in payment for work carried out between 2005 and 2010.

The document is dated December 15, 2010, two weeks after Qatar won the right to host the tournament, and states that the money is “payable to Jack Warner”.

Mr Warner’s two sons and an employee were paid a further $1?million by the same Qatari company.

One document states that payments are to “offset legal and other expenses”, but a separate letter claims that more than $1?million cover “professional services provided over the period 2005-2010”.

At least one bank in the Cayman Islands initially refused to process the payment amid fears over the legality of the money transfer. The money was eventually processed via a bank in New York – a transaction that is understood to have come to the attention of the FBI. A well-placed source said: “These payments need to be properly investigated. The World Cup is the most important event in football and we need to be confident that decisions have been made for the right reasons. There are lots of questions that still need to be answered.”

Mr Warner was one of the most experienced members of the executive committee until he stood down in 2011 and served as vice-president of the organisation for 14 years. He was one of the 22 people who decided to award Russia the 2018 World Cup and Qatar the 2022 tournament. It is understood that the FBI is investigating payments to Mr Warner and that one of his family members has been acting as a “co-operating witness”.

The investigators are thought to be focusing on Mr Warner’s American and Grand Cayman accounts.

Michael Garcia, the joint chief investigator of Fifa’s ethics committee, is also investigating irregularities surrounding the bidding process. He is expected to deliver his report to the committee later this year.

Today’s disclosures will add to concerns that some Fifa executive committee members were not impartial when they cast their votes in December 2010. England suffered a humiliating defeat when it secured only two votes to host the 2018 World Cup and was eliminated after the first round.

Even before the decision was made, there were persistent allegations of corruption. Six weeks before the vote in Zurich, a World Cup official was caught in an undercover investigation agreeing to sell his vote to one of England’s rivals. A second member of the same committee was recorded asking for 1.5?million for a sports academy. Both officials were suspended, meaning that 22 people voted instead of the usual 24.

A whistleblower also claimed that one of the bidders had bought the votes of three African executive committee members. The former Fifa employee later withdrew the allegations.

Following England’s defeat, a parliamentary committee held an inquiry into the failed bid. Lord Triesman, the bid’s former chairman, gave evidence stating that four Fifa executive committee members had asked for business deals and favours when negotiating their support. One of those he named was Mr Warner.

The Labour peer said that the then Fifa vice-president had asked for money to build an education centre in Trinidad, with the cash to be channelled through him, and 500,000 to buy World Cup television rights for Haiti.

In June 2011, Mr Warner resigned from all football posts after he was accused of facilitating bribes to members of the Caribbean football union on behalf of Mohamed Bin Hammam, who was standing against Sepp Blatter to be Fifa president. A report by the Fifa ethics committee found that there was “compelling” evidence that Mr Warner was “an accessory to corruption”.

Mr Warner was caught on tape apparently urging fellow Fifa officials to accept cash gifts from Mr Bin Hammam, the disgraced former presidential candidate.

The documents seen by The Daily Telegraph raise further questions about Mr Warner’s activities. One email, which appears to have been sent by one of Mr Warner’s employees, shows that the staff member personally received $412,000 from the Qatari company and that Mr Warner’s son, Daryll, was paid $432,000. Daryan, his other son, was paid $316,000 via a company called We Buy Houses.

Regarding the payments to Daryan, the email states that he was “contracted … based on his understanding, contacts and history with the regional players who make up an integral part of the defence team … pursuant to Fifa bribery allegations. As stated in our letter of June 11, 2011, the value of US $316,000, and this is an initial deposit to offset legal and other expenses related to the matter.”

In July, a different email shows that “monies in the amount of $1.2?million” were wire transferred to J&D International, another of Mr Warner’s companies, by the same Qatari firm. It states that this is to “offset legal and other related expenses associated with regard to an ongoing matter”.

Mr Warner and his family declined to comment. A spokesman for Qatar’s 2022 World Cup organising committee said: “The 2022 bid committee strictly adhered to Fifa’s bidding regulations in compliance with their code of ethics.

“The supreme committee for delivery and legacy and the individuals involved in the 2022 bid committee are unaware of any allegations surrounding business dealings between private individuals.”
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on March 17, 2014, 04:20:47 PM
Horner, some comments please. This eh sounding too irie.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 17, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
As I warned several years ago, the British press are now doorstepping Warner in T&T

http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/federation-news/13723-former-fifa-vice-president-jack-warner-and-family-paid-millions.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: SWF Reporter on March 17, 2014, 07:01:45 PM
Telegraph for Warner; ex-FIFA VP on the run again
(Satire) - Wired868


Chaguanas West MP and ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner was under international media scrutiny again today, which could only mean that another report about the molestation of football was made somewhere on the planet.
The UK-based Daily Telegraph fingered Warner for receiving TT $13 million (1.2 million) from a Qatari firm linked to that countrys successful 2022 World Cup bid for legal and other expenses and professional services. More than half the money was paid from disgraced former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammams Kemco firm to Warners family owned business, Jamad, which is a cleaning company.
And who ever doubted that Warner cleaned up when it came to World Cup bids?

Read More (http://wired868.com/2014/03/17/telegraph-for-warner-ex-fifa-vp-on-the-run-again/)

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 17, 2014, 07:47:21 PM
Telegraph for Warner; ex-FIFA VP on the run again
(Satire)

Chaguanas West MP and ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner was under international media scrutiny again today, which could only mean that another report about the molestation of football was made somewhere on the planet.
The UK-based Daily Telegraph fingered Warner for receiving TT $13 million (1.2 million) from a Qatari firm linked to that countrys successful 2022 World Cup bid for legal and other expenses and professional services. More than half the money was paid from disgraced former FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammams Kemco firm to Warners family owned business, Jamad, which is a cleaning company.
And who ever doubted that Warner cleaned up when it came to World Cup bids?
Read more: http://wired868.com/2014/03/17/telegraph-for-warner-ex-fifa-vp-on-the-run-again/

Mr Wired pelt some serious blows in that article boy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 18, 2014, 08:15:47 AM
More of the same in the British press....

Former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner 'paid millions by Qatari firm' linked to 2022 World Cup

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/former-fifa-vicepresident-jack-warner-paid-millions-by-qatari-firm-linked-to-2022-world-cup-9198941.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on March 18, 2014, 10:58:57 AM
Picked up by the CBC in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-official-received-2m-days-after-qatar-awarded-world-cup-report-1.2576956
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on March 18, 2014, 11:46:40 AM
Hero for many. Bring drinks and leh we lash nah ...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 18, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
Picked up by the CBC in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-official-received-2m-days-after-qatar-awarded-world-cup-report-1.2576956

Excerpted from the linked article:

Quote
The World Cup bid contests for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments are being investigated by Michael Garcia, a former U.S. Attorney who was appointed as FIFA's independent ethics prosecutor in July 2012. Garcia and his investigation team have been conducting interviews worldwide with officials from the 2018-2022 bid nations and FIFA executive committee members. Russia is to host the 2018 World Cup.

This raised a conflict of interest question in my mind ... but a Bloomberg article reveals that it has been addressed. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-08/fifa-investigators-to-meet-all-bidders-into-world-cup-host-award.html)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on March 18, 2014, 03:44:17 PM
Picked up by the CBC in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa-official-received-2m-days-after-qatar-awarded-world-cup-report-1.2576956

Excerpted from the linked article:

Quote
The World Cup bid contests for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments are being investigated by Michael Garcia, a former U.S. Attorney who was appointed as FIFA's independent ethics prosecutor in July 2012. Garcia and his investigation team have been conducting interviews worldwide with officials from the 2018-2022 bid nations and FIFA executive committee members. Russia is to host the 2018 World Cup.

This raised a conflict of interest question in my mind ... but a Bloomberg article reveals that it has been addressed. (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-08/fifa-investigators-to-meet-all-bidders-into-world-cup-host-award.html)

Like they real serious this rounds. They watching they pints and quarts.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: g on March 18, 2014, 04:33:32 PM
Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.

Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on March 18, 2014, 06:13:52 PM
Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.

Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.

Good talk
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on March 19, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.

Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.

Good talk
Yeah, they can get paid twice for the same vote!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on March 19, 2014, 03:32:34 PM
Russia maybe in the jump up too.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on March 19, 2014, 05:16:22 PM
Doh feel is not d same FIFA who behind this one, i feel they want to re-open bidding for 2022. I eh go lie, i ain't go mind if it means a more accessible country for meh lean pockets. North America or Western Europe would be the flick.

Them crushing Jack in the process is just a bonus.

CO-SIGNNNNNN
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 20, 2014, 04:44:10 PM
FIFA to probe World Cup voters
Thursday, March 20 2014 (T&T Newsday)

FIFAs chief investigator Michael Garcia will interview the members of its executive committee who voted for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, according to a Press Association report.


Inclusive of FIFA president Joseph Sepp Blatter, only 11 of the 24 members who were part of the December 2010 voting process are still on the committee, with the others having either retired, been banned or resigned while under investigation.

The interviews come after a report that the FBI is investigating payments from a company owned by Qatari Mohamed bin Hammam to fellow former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner and his family.

Qatars 2022 World Cup organising committee have stated emphatically, though, that its bid committee strictly adhered to FIFAs bidding regulations.

Bin Hammam and Warner were previously embroiled in a FIFA scandal, surrounding the formers visit to Trinidad on May 10, 2011, leading up to the FIFA presidential elections of which bin Hammam was a candidate.

On May 24 2011, FIFAs ethics committee began official proceedings against Warner concerning at least three separate corruption and bribery charges. Five days later, Warner and bin Hammam were provisionally suspended by FIFAs ethics committee from all involvement in football, pending the outcome of the investigations.

Warner announced his resignation on June 20, 2011 from all his positions in FIFA and charges against him by FIFA Ethics Committee were subsequently dropped.

There will be a FIFA executive committee meeting today and tomorrow at FIFAs headquarters in Zurich, Switzerland.

Last September, Garcia, an American attorney who is the head of the investigatory chamber of FIFAs ethics committee, said his probe into the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups (in Russia and Qatar respectively) would see investigators interview representatives of every bid team. Interviews have already taken place with a number of officials who worked on Englands unsuccessful 2018 bid.

Press Association, citing anonymous sources connected to FIFA, say Garcia will now interview all the remaining executive committee members still in office, plus Blatter.

The interviews will focus on the bidding process and look into any allegations of wrongdoing and breach of bidding rules including collusion between bids, Press Association reported.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on March 20, 2014, 04:59:04 PM
Drip drip drip ...... and eventually de REAL Tsunami coming to cause ....... VOOSH / KABOOM!!
Pressure does buss pipe.  Horner yuh dey?   Horner?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on March 20, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/zL8hpPzw6O8
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 20, 2014, 07:27:36 PM
SWF, doesn't she do work for the BBC ...?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on March 20, 2014, 08:32:26 PM
Jam him good. Dirty fool
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on March 20, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
Alyuh see de hummer.   ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Zeppo on March 21, 2014, 03:47:04 AM
Uncle Jack, The FBI and The Smoking Gun

Jack Warner is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

The Telegraph reports that they have seen some documents which are currently in the hands of the FBI emails and bank records mostly which prove that former CONCACAF President Jack Warner and his sons received more than two million dollars from Qatari interests in late 2010 and early 2011.

The story (hat tip to BigSoccer stalwart Placid Casual) says that the FBI has a note from Jamad (one of Warners companies) to Kemco (one of Bin Hammams) dated just two weeks after the vote which awarded World Cup 2022 to Qatar that requests a payment of $1.2 million be made payable to Jack Warner for unspecified professional services.

(continue) (http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/bill-archer/2014/03/18/uncle-jack-the-fbi-and-the-smoking-gun/)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 21, 2014, 03:16:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/zL8hpPzw6O8
I was waiting for the classic line, "Ask yuh Mudder".  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 21, 2014, 03:35:06 PM
Uncle Jack, The FBI and The Smoking Gun

Jack Warner is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

The Telegraph reports that they have seen some documents which are currently in the hands of the FBI emails and bank records mostly which prove that former CONCACAF President Jack Warner and his sons received more than two million dollars from Qatari interests in late 2010 and early 2011.

The story (hat tip to BigSoccer stalwart Placid Casual) says that the FBI has a note from Jamad (one of Warners companies) to Kemco (one of Bin Hammams) dated just two weeks after the vote which awarded World Cup 2022 to Qatar that requests a payment of $1.2 million be made payable to Jack Warner for unspecified professional services.

(continue) (http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/bill-archer/2014/03/18/uncle-jack-the-fbi-and-the-smoking-gun/)
Good article.
I agree that it looks like the money that Jack received is not linked to the 2022 WC bidding process so Jack is technically innocent if that is the accusation that he took a bribe for his votes in that biding process.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 23, 2014, 06:38:21 AM
UK Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/22/said-and-done-jack-warner?CMP=twt_gu


Former key manager Jack Warner: putting last week's new bribery allegations against him down to more press "foolishness" a repeat of 2010's "BBC foolishness"; 2012's allegations by Trinidad players: "This foolishness must stop"; last year's speculation over his political future: "You asked me once and I said that is foolishness. I will say again, that is foolishness"; and 2012's rumours of an FBI inquiry: "It's damn foolishness I will sue to the high heavens It will be court after court after court."

Not finding space to cover the latest Warner bribery allegations: Trinidad's Sunshine newspaper set up last year by Jack to counter years of "unholy", "dirty" press smears against him. Sunshine's editorial ethos: "Truth, when crushed to the ground, will always rise."

Among the stories that did make it in to last week's Sunshine: a cover story by Jack alleging a corrupt business deal by political rivals ("corruption has never been as vulgar as it is today"); plus: "Woman marries DOG after marriage to man didn't work out".
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on March 29, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2592410/Whistleblower-claims-Jack-Warner-took-Australias-270-000-World-Cup-vote.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: BBL on May 31, 2014, 04:30:53 PM
Tomorrow's Sunday Times (UK):

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Other suspicious payments to [World Cup bid] voters include two payments totalling $450,000 to [Jack] Warner in the two years before the vote. Correspondence in the month after Qatar won the vote also shows Warner referred to Bin Hammam as the only brother I have in football and went on to send his bank details.

The email trail and bank documents also reveal the true story of a further $1.2m payment from Bin Hammam to Warner almost eight months after the bid when the two men had been suspended by Fifa for paying bribes to voters in Bin Hammams campaign to unseat Blatter as the president of Fifa.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 01, 2014, 04:39:03 AM
Alleged payoffs bolstered Qatar WC bid (http://www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1856097/qatar-football-officials-implicated-2022-world-cup-corruption-scandal?cc=5901)
By Associated Press

A former member of FIFA's executive committee was accused on Sunday of making payments totaling $5 million to senior football officials in return for support for Qatar's successful bid for the 2022 World Cup.

British newspaper, The Sunday Times, claims that it has obtained millions of secret documents proving that Mohamed Bin Hammam, a Qatari national and former FIFA vice president, was lobbying on his country's behalf ahead of the vote in December 2010.

Under a front-page headline of "Plot to buy the World Cup," the newspaper alleges that Bin Hammam made dozens of payments to top football officials in Africa as well as Reynald Temarii and Jack Warner, the former FIFA executive committee members for Oceania and CONCACAF.

The allegations come less than two weeks before the start of the World Cup in Brazil and bring fresh scrutiny on the 2010 vote, which awarded football's biggest tournament to the tiny desert state and currently is under investigation by FIFA's independent ethics prosecutor.

The Sunday Times said that Bin Hamman declined to respond to the allegations and that members of Qatar's bid committee denied any link to the former FIFA official, saying he played no secret role in their campaign.

Qatari organisers did not immediately respond to requests from Associated Press for comment.

Bin Hammam, one of the most controversial figures in FIFA's recent history, is no longer a committee member of world football's governing body after being caught up in a corruption scandal surrounding his failed campaign for its presidency in 2011.

The Sunday Times is alleging, however, that he exploited his position at the heart of FIFA when he was an executive committee member to help to secure votes from key members of its 24-man ruling committee that helped Qatar win the right to host the World Cup. Qatar defeated bids from the United States, Japan, South Korea and Australia.

According to the newspaper, Bin Hammam used 10 slush funds controlled by his private company and cash handouts to make dozens of payments of up to $200,000 into accounts controlled by the presidents of 30 African football associations who influenced how the continent's four executive members would vote. He also allegedly hosted lavish junkets for these African officials at which he handed out almost $400,000 in cash.

The newspaper says the documents show that Bin Hammam paid out at least 305,000 euros ($415,000) in legal and private detective fees for Temarii after he was suspended for telling undercover reporters that he had been offered $12 million for his vote. Bin Hammam's help allowed him to appeal the suspension and prevent his planned replacement from voting for Australia in the vote, the Sunday Times claimed.

Bin Hammam is also accused of funneling more than $1.6 million directly into bank accounts controlled by Warner, including $450,000 before the vote. Warner resigned from football duties, including his 28-year membership of FIFA's committee, in June 2011 to avoid investigation in a bribery scandal linked to Bin Hammam's campaign for FIFA president.

The Sunday Times also said Bin Hammam paid $800,000 to the Ivory Coast FA, whose executive committee member Jacques Anouma agreed to "push very hard the bid of Qatar," and signed off on two payments of $400,000 each to the federations of two other voters.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on June 01, 2014, 08:47:43 AM
I'm sure Jack put all that money into local football...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 02, 2014, 05:10:15 AM
FFA did not tell federal police of $500,000 allegedly stolen by FIFA executive Jack Warner
By Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker (theage.com).


Australia's football federation has not called in the federal police to investigate a 2013 inquiry finding that allegedly corrupt FIFA executive Jack Warner stole $500,000 from the FFA.

The funds were meant for a stadium upgrade that Mr Warner had sought from Australian soccer officials in 2010, a year in which the FFA was also seeking Mr Warner's support for Australia's World Cup hosting bid.

A senior FIFA source described as disgraceful the revelation that the FFA has not informed the federal police about the allegedly stolen $US462,000. The FFA sent the funds to a Warner-controlled Caribbean bank account in 2010, ostensibly to fund a football stadium upgrade in Trinidad and Tobago.

The concerns about the failure to report the theft have been echoed by the FFA's former corporate affairs manager Bonita Mersiades.

In an exclusive interview with Fairfax Media, Ms Mersiades said the reason the FFA was reluctant to report the theft may be because it could further expose the highly risky manner in which it gave international development grants to corruption-riddled overseas football bodies at a time when the FFA was also seeking their support for Australia's bid to host the World Cup.

The FFA should report the alleged theft of its funds by Mr Warner immediately to the federal police given a 2013 inquiry has already found that a fraud has most likely been committed, Ms Mersiades said.

Over the weekend, the UK paper the Sunday Times exposed an alleged bid buying racket run by former FIFA executive committee member Mohamed Bin Hammam.

It allegedly involved payments totalling around $US5 million to football officials in return for getting them to support Qatar's ultimately successful world cup bid.

Among the questionable payments allegedly made by Bin Hammam were those wired to then FIFA officials Mr Warner and Reynald Temarii.

Both are former FIFA executives who Australia was also lobbying in a controversial manner in 2010.

Fairfax Media has previously revealed that Mr Temarii had a list of demands for the FFA to meet in return for his vote, including giving Hyundai vehicles to Oceania member federations and providing financial assistance to soccer in the region.

Ms Mersiades told Fairfax Media: The revelations in the Sunday Times about the way Bin Hammam used hospitality, gifts, perks, and upgrades of stadiums to win bid support has parallels with the manner in which Australia used some of its funds during its bidding campaign. Just look at the FFA funds that landed in Warner's account and which have never been recovered.

The revelations of the Bin Hammam payments have today sparked intense debate about whether to challenge Qatar's right to host the 2022 World Cup, with the FFA saying it is keenly interested to see the results of an ongoing FIFA investigation into the Qatari bid.

But Fairfax Media can reveal that this FIFA investigation has recently also taken evidence from FFA insiders about Australia's dealings with Warner, Temarii and other soccer officials during the 2010 bid.

When the FFA was asked recently by Fairfax Media about why it had not reported to the federal police the allegedly corrupt theft in 2010 of Australian soccer funds by Mr Warner - given the crime was exposed in an inquiry a year ago - a FFA spokesman said it was awaiting the outcome of [the ongoing FIFA inquiry] before pursuing the matter.

In April 2013, a widely publicised formal inquiry by the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) integrity committee found that the $US462,200 the FFA deposited in a Caribbean bank account controlled by Mr Warner had most likely been stolen.

The funds were sent to the account after the FFA met with Mr Warner and agreed to donate to the development of a stadium in Trinidad and Tobago.

At the time, the FFA was lobbying Mr Warner to support its bid to host the world cup.

The CONCACAF inquiry said the bank account was controlled by Mr Warner, who appears to have simply pocketed the FFA's funds.

"The funds were paid to CONCACAF by FFA in the form of a check ... to CONCACAF which was deposited into a bank account maintained at Republic National Bank in Trinidad and Tobago, an account in which, earlier that year, Warner had deposited personal reimbursement funds from CONCACAF," the inquiry found.

In 2010, Fairfax Media revealed that the FFA gave a pearl necklace to the wives of top FIFA officials, including Mr Warner, spent tens of thousands of dollars flying a junior Caribbean football team to a match and paid more than $1 million to consultant Peter Hargitay, who claimed privately to be able to deliver Mr Warner's vote to the FFA.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on June 02, 2014, 05:13:08 AM
 this man disgusting
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dtool on June 02, 2014, 07:59:14 AM

England still hoping to host 2018 world cup

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/england-could-still-host-2018-world-cup
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 02, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
Horner this sounds serious. Not surprising that Renraw paranoid about leaving the country.
Could you comment on these allegations if your lawyer will allow?
Like Jackula geh radioactive orwah?
Man who used to be supporting him like bredda fuh life, like dey jess buss it dread.
No more lashin' drinks togeddah. Deafening silence.
Daiz wha yuh call from hero to zero.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2014, 02:00:38 AM
RELATED NEWS

Warner: My day will come
By Sean Douglas (Newsday).


CHAGUANAS West MP and former FIFA vice-president, Jack Warner, yesterday was unfazed by two major developments in the footballing world, both locally and globally, and instead assured that his day will come.

Yesterday Acting Commissioner of Police (CoP) Stephen Williams announced that police have completed their probe into the 2011 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) cash-for-votes controversy and have sent their findings to Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Roger Gaspard.

And yesterday internationally, there were also reports of a FIFA probe into claims of impropriety and influence-peddling by Qatar in its successful bid to host the 2022 FIFA World Cup, largely involving Mohammed bin Hammam, a central figure of the CFU controversy.

With allegations of bribes worth $3 million pounds sterling paid to football honchoes to win Qatars bid, several of the losing bidders are reported to have called for bidding on the 2022 games to be re-run.

Warner had stepped down as FIFA vice-president and as Concacaf president after the CFU controversy that had occurred during bin Hammams leadership challenge to FIFA president, Sepp Blatter.

Warner sent his brief reaction in an email to Newsday, saying, I have said countless times before and I again reiterate once again today that I have no intention of dignifying the American harassment and demonisation of bin Hammam and Qatar with a reply of any kind to anyone on any matter related to this issue in particular and football in general. And that decision has not changed, asserted Warner. Suffice it to say that my day will come.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 04, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
You don't get more of a defeated / surrender statement than that from Renraw.
No more threatening to sue. What a ting!. Truly pathetic. Not one of his disciples coming to his defence.
My concern for you Horner: ... do you have a safe place?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on June 04, 2014, 08:38:48 AM
Me and a lot of other people have been waiting for your day to come. It ain't here yet. Suffice it to say it is taking too long.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2014, 09:20:31 AM
Me and a lot of other people have been waiting for your day to come. It ain't here yet. Suffice it to say it is taking too long.

A day with the Lord is a 1000 year and a 1000 year 1 day. So Jack day will come the wheels have already started to come off.
Title: Jack Warner: FIFA 'will never change' under Sepp Blatter
Post by: Tallman on June 10, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/Mby4w_Gncag
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 13, 2014, 12:37:58 PM
Look dey ban Beckenbauer fuh a few days ... due to not cooperating. Hmmm.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 18, 2014, 08:44:18 AM
England in focus over Warner dinner
Trinidad Express, Jun 15, 2014


England could be sanctioned by footballs world governing body for a breach of rules over a lavish dinner organised by disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner. This is according to an article yesterday in the Telegraph newspaper in England.

According to the paper, England were dragged into the World Cup bribery probe after it emerged its 2018 bid team had been quizzed about paying for a 35,000 dinner organised by former FIFA vice-president Warner.

The chief investigator of footballs world governing body is understood to have asked England 2018 executives why they agreed to pick up the bill for the event, which took place 10 months before the vote to decide the location of the 2018 and 2022 tournaments.

Michael J Garcias interest in the arrangement will spark fears that England could be sanctioned for a breach of rules which prohibited bid committees from providing any benefit, opportunity, promise, remuneration or service to those involved in the 2010 vote.

Qatars triumph in the 2022 contest has been the focus of most of the corruption allegations which have emerged in recent weeks following investigations spearheaded by The Daily Telegraph. But the bidding process for the 2018 tournamentwhich was awarded to Russiahas also been investigated by Garcia.
The Americans probe is understood to have included examining all friendly matches played by bidding nations with the countries of Fifa executive committee members ahead of the 2010.


England World Cup 2018 bid team quizzed by Fifa investigator Michael Garcia over 35,000 dinner
By Ben Rumsby (UK Telegraph), in Rio de Janeiro, 15 Jun 2014


England could be sanctioned by footballs world governing body for a breach of rules over a lavish dinner organised by disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner

England were dragged into the World Cup bribery probe on Sunday night after it emerged its 2018 bid team had been quizzed about paying for a 35,000 dinner organised by disgraced former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

The chief investigator of footballs world governing body is understood to have asked England 2018 executives why they agreed to pick up the bill for the event, which took place 10 months before the vote to decide the location of the 2018 and 2022 tournaments.

Michael J Garcias interest in the arrangement will spark fears that England could be sanctioned for a breach of rules which prohibited bid committees from providing any benefit, opportunity, promise, remuneration or service to those involved in the 2010 vote.

Qatars triumph in the 2022 contest has been the focus of most of the corruption allegations which have emerged in recent weeks following investigations spearheaded by The Daily Telegraph. But the bidding process for the 2018 tournament which was awarded to Russia has also been investigated by Garcia.

The Americans probe is understood to have included examining all friendly matches played by bidding nations with the countries of Fifa executive committee members ahead of the 2010.

Englands friendly against Trinidad & Tobago in June 2008 should escape scrutiny as it took place before their bid was officially registered in 2009, despite the Football Association announcing its intention to bid some time before the match.

However, England 2018 did promise Thailands Fifa executive committee member a friendly with his country, which the FA cancelled after receiving only two votes in total.

Warner, who quit Fifa in 2011 amid a wave of corruption allegations against him, was openly courted by Englands bid team in the run-up to the December 2010 vote, in which he also took part.

The 71-year-old convinced bid leaders to pay for a lavish gala dinner for 160 people from the Caribbean Football Union, which took place in Port of Spain, Trinidad, in February 2010.

David Dein, the former Arsenal and FA vice-chairman, addressed the event in his role as international president of the 2018 bid team.

Warner said on the eve of the dinner: It is costing the FA about 35,000, but I think that is money well spent as it allows them to speak to all 32 countries from the CFU.

It also means I will be able to get the collective view of my membership about who they think should host the World Cup when the time comes for me to decide who I should vote for.

At the time, England 2018 said the payment would allow the CFU to spend the money it had saved on football projects.

The FA refused to comment on Sunday night on Garcias probe but sources close to bid leaders said their lawyers were comfortable they had not breached any rules.

Other bidding countries also staged friendlies against FIFA members countries for example Japan played Guatemala.

Garcia, expected to submit his report before the end of next month, attempted to interview all bid committees and Fifa executive committee members involved in the 2010 vote.

Franz Beckenbauer was banned on Friday for failing to cooperate with the inquiry, preventing him carrying out any football duties or attending matches anywhere in the world.

The sanction prompted him yesterday to pledge to answer questions posed by Garcia, the 68-year-old having insisted he had nothing to hide.

Beckenbauer said he would respond by June 27 and called on Fifas ethics committee to lift the 90-day provisional ban that currently prevents him attending this summers World Cup.

Fifa did not respond to requests for comment.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 18, 2014, 08:51:56 AM
Gifts in the millions
By By Camini Marajh Head, Investigative Desk (T&T Express)


Story Created: Jun 14, 2014 at 9:07 PM ECT
 
Former high-flying FIFA executive and Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West Jack Warner accepted gifts from nations bidding to secure World Cup hosting rights in the run-up to the 2010 vote in violation of the Integrity in Public Life Act (IPLA) and FIFAs own bid rules.

Sunday Express investigations have found Warner accepted gifts valued in the millions of dollars from bidding nations, including the English football association, The FA; the Russians, Qatars Mohammed bin Hammam and Australia. Gifts, according to his annual filings, that were not disclosed to the Integrity Commission or the Board of Inland Revenue, as required by law.

In the months leading up to the December 2010 vote for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, The FA sought to curry favour with the former Caribbean football jefe and voting member of FIFA, the world governing body for football, according to documents seen by this reporter.

The FAs Director of Campaign Operations for Englands 2018 bid, Jane Bateman, was the point person in contact with Warner, the powerful and influential former Executive Committee (ExCo) member of FIFA who was forced out of world administrative football in 2011 by a cash-for-votes affair at the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad) hotel in Port of Spain.

Documents obtained by the Sunday Express reveal The FA agreed to sponsor a dinner hosted by the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), of which Warner was founder and president, to the tune of 35,608 or TT$382,900.

In the run-up to FIFAs controversial bid to select host nations for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, England sought to secure Warners support by footing the bill for the Warner-arranged CFU dinner at the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence, Macoya, and provide financial and technical support for other Warner-identified development projects in Trinidad.

Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge and former English star footballer David Beckham also flew to Trinidad in the frantic bid to woo the very influential Jack Warner, who was not shy about asking for favours, as documents seen by this newspaper show.

In a February 15, 2010, e-mail to Bateman, the substantive head of The FAs International Relations, Warner wrote: Dear Jane, Indeed, I had a very successful meeting with your affable Deputy High Commissioner, His Excellency Geoff Patton, which as usual is always quite cordial and very productive. During that meeting I did indicate my willingness to have The FA attend the CFU Congress scheduled to take place during the period February 24 28, 2010 and host a reception.

Warner noted: In this regard I do extend my invitation to The FA and I eagerly await your proposal as promised concerning the reception.

In the back-and-forth discussions relating to The FAs hospitality to the CFU, Warner, in a February 16 e-mail to Bateman said: I will arrange for your visit to Longdenville with the usual media hype as soon as you advise me of your travel schedule and the members of your delegation.

In an e-mail response that same day, Bateman thanked Warner for the background information provided on Longdenville and noted: Very interesting. We would be happy to look for a twinning partner for Longdenville and will give it some thought prior to our visit, although it may be easier to do so once we have been there. Also, we would be very happy to visit during our stay.

Warner had included a newspaper report published in the Guardian titled Longdenville sportsmen appeal to Jack Warner, in his bid to drum up financial support for his old hometown. He told Bateman in the February 16 e-mail about a meeting he had with the village folk.

There was much discussion on the nature of the problem of the sportsmen and, following this, I informed them that I shall make every effort, through my international contacts, to assist them as per the newspaper report.

He said the needs of the villagers were basic and related to the repair of the Longdenville recreation ground and the provision of some cricket and football equipment. He also revealed a personal political motive for the request, as this excerpt shows.

In successfully assisting them (villagers) my political stocks locally (which are presently on a high) will soar positioning me in an extremely favourable position to successfully lead my Party in local elections which are due in six months time as well as in general elections which shall become due 18 months later.
In another e-mail to Bateman on February 21, 2010, Warner noted: Jane, once again, I do wish to thank The FA for its sponsorship of the CFU dinner. The dinner will have a total of 160 persons coming from 30 countries and is really the flagship event of the CFU. I enclose the dinner budget for The FAs attention and actionbe seeing you soon.

Warner did not immediately respond to a voice mail request for comment and Bateman, who initially said she would respond by the close of Friday, yesterday referred the Sunday Express to The FAs press office.
Scott Field, an FA media official yesterday made clear that: Well take seriously any allegation you make that The FA operated outside of any rules or made any financial payments.

He said: Officially, we have no comment to make on the assertions. As I say we will take any accusation of wrongdoing very seriously.

FIFA rules disallowed bid committees or any of their associations from giving gifts to FIFA officials or trying to influence the vote in any way despite persistent accusations of rampant corruption in the world football governing body and an ongoing corruption investigation relating to Qatars successful bid for the 2022 World Cup by FIFA ethics investigator Michael Garcia.

The bid committees were bound by FIFA rules which state that gifts given during the World Cup bidding process should be no more than occasional gifts that are generally regarded as having symbolic or incidental value.

The value of Russias largesse was reported to be over US$100,000hardly the incidental value described in the FIFA-issued bid rules. The former Soviet power picked up a tab said to be over US$100,000 for a four-day visit to Russia for Warner, his wife Maureen and two aides, according to documents seen by this newspaper.

Warner stayed at the Ritz Carlton and had private meetings with Russian President and the then Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Russias Sport, Tourism and Youth Policy Minister Vitaly Mukto and Transport and Communication Minister Igor Levitin.

He toured the historic Russian Kremlin (a fortified complex at the heart of Moscow), met with Putin at the Russian White House and took in the Swan Lake ballet at the Stanislavsky Theatre before flying to Zurich on October 27, 2010.

In the case of the Australians, a US$462,000 donation for a Trinidad stadium upgrade ended up in Warners pockets. Australia also provided a US$2.5 million grant to Warners buddy and president of the Jamaican Football Federation Captain Horace Burrell late in the bidding process in October 2010.
Former corporate affairs manager of Australias Football Federation Bonita Mersiades told the Sunday Express about the machinations and backroom deal-making of Australias bid consultant, Peter Hagitay, whom she described as a very old friend of Jack Warner.

She told the Sunday Express how Hagitay harangued her about a gift of pearl jewelry handed out to FIFA ExCo members and their partners at a private dinner held at the private mansion of billionaire Frank Lowy, president of the Federation and one of Australias richest men in 2008 before the FIFA-issued bid rules in 2009.

She said she kept being told by Hagitay Jacks wife wanted her pearls.

Mersiades said: He told me, my boss Ben Buckley and the president Frank Lowy at least ten times that Jack was asking for his wifes pearl necklace. I was told by Ben Buckley to buy one and get it to her, which I did. I purchased it at a shop in Dubai en route to Zurich as I had a ten-hour stopover. It was on a 50 per cent sale in Dubai and it cost around US$1,000.

Mersiades said the pearl pendant for Mrs Warner was purchased after the bid rules were issued.
At the time I bought them I sent a note to my boss and to Frank Lowy more or less saying I felt very uncomfortable buying this necklace at this time as it fell outside the FIFA guidelines. I dont consider a US$2,000 gift to be incidental but the reaction to the note was to be told not to write a note like that again. Buckley told me off about it!

She said Australia also flew Trinidad and Tobagos Under-20 team to a training camp in Cyprus at a cost of about US$250,000. She also talked about the debate over the gift Australias former prime minister Kevin Rudd should give Warner during a November 2009 visit to Trinidad for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting.

Mersiades said she had suggested a bottle of red Australian wine, but Hagitay objected, saying it would be insulting and that a case of wine would be a more appropriate gift. She said Rudd gave Warner a bottle and Hagitay wrote in an e-mail that: A bottle of wine is a bit very cheesy/cheap if not embarrassing. If anything, a case is more of an idea.

She said Warner was very well treated by the Aussies. Almost every bit of advice that Hagitay gave us was through the prism of Jack Warner. It got to the stage where I asked Peter and my boss why we were so focused on Warner when his own Confederation via the USA was bidding. She said she found Warner to be very affable, friendly and easy to talk to.

He had no airs or graces. At functions, he was always generous with his time. In this regard, he was a typical politician and very dissimilar to his friend, Hagitay, said Bonita, who wrote this about the Warners in her book, The BidSecrets of the Battle to Host the World Cup: Jack and Maureen looked like any other well-heeled couple in their late 60s. They both looked fit and healthy; Jack was wearing his FIFA blue blazer over a yellow, white and navy striped polo shirt; Maureen was wearing black trousers and top with a lime green Jackie O-style jacket, trimmed with black. I was disappointed she wasnt wearing her pearl pendant.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 18, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
Horner! defend your father!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 18, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Jackula more than highly radioactive now. Wuss dan having leprosy.
Even Horner bussin' it and leaving him hangin' high and dry by his lonely angry self
and de man fanclub (or what remains of it) disappearing at busloads per minute
as if a real flecking tsunami comin' in truth. Renraw you were right.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 08, 2014, 02:06:54 AM
Warner hopes payment isnt PR spin.
T&T Newsday Reports.


FORMER Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special advisor Jack Austin Warner has wished the 13 members of the 2006 Soca Warriors well, after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced yesterday that the players will be receiving the sum of US$1.3 million owed to them following a prolonged bonus pay dispute with the local governing body (now called TT Football Association).

In a media release, Warner, who also served as vice-president of FIFA as well as president of Concaf and CFU, said, I want to take this opportunity to wish them well and to hope that this finally brings closure to this matter.

Warner allegedly made the infamous promise to the national team, dubbed the Soca Warriors after the squads goalless draw against Sweden in the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany.

Yesterday, Warner wrote, this group of footballers who played three matches in the 2006 World Cup and who never scored a goal nor win a match and who now stand to benefit from the Prime Ministers benevolent gesture received $20 million from the Patrick Manning administration, $7 million from FIFA, $4 million from the TTFF, $6 million from Jack Warner through the courts of Trinidad and Tobago and now $1.3 million US from the Peoples Partnership Government; a total sum of close to $50 million and this excludes gifts from private organisations like CLICO and others.

The former Government Minister continued, it is my sincere wish that this is the end of this story and that the furniture and the archival material, which the TTFA lost when this team of footballers levied on the TTFF, will now be returned to it.

Warner also called on the Prime Minister to demonstrate that this is truly benevolence and not Public Relations to lift the flagging image of her Minister of Sport (Anil Roberts) by saving the home of former TTFF president Oliver Camps.

He revealed, (in 2006 he) signed a promissory note of $480,000 US, on behalf of the TTFF, in order to procure the services of Wim Rijsbergen as coach of the national team.

The TTFF has been unable to raise the money and now Al Roberts firm, father of the Minister of Sport (Anil Roberts), is now moving to levy on (Camps). If he cannot raise the money he will lose it by September 2014, if not before.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2014, 08:39:45 AM
Warner hopes payment isnt PR spin.

You regret now that you did not give them their due. Have the gall stones to ask if is PR?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: fitzinho on July 08, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
This man clearly don't have a clue what shame is nah...smh
Title: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: SWF Reporter on July 08, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
Warriors attorney: TTFA and Warner not off the hook; uneasy about govt pay-off
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Michael Townley, the British attorney of the 13 World Cup 2006 players, shared the emotions of much of Trinidad and Tobago at the news that the Soca Warriors have finally been paid the agreed sum for their participation at the senior FIFA tournament in Germany.

Townley told Wired868 that he was relieved, happy, confused and stunned in equal measure at Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessars financial intervention as well as the responses from Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA)1 president Raymond Tim Kee and ex-FIFA vice-president and local football special advisor Jack Warner.

He explained that his first contact with the Trinidad and Tobago Government came last Friday when, at the request of former World Cup player Brent Sancho, he phoned Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, SC, to discuss the case.

Townley also had a conversation with the press attach at the Office of the Prime Minister. But he admitted that he never fully came to grips with what was happening in Trinidad before the media conference yesterday at the Diplomatic Centre in St Anns.

I asked what are the conditions attached to the payment and I never fully understood what was happening there, Townley told Wired868. On one hand, it seemed that the government was giving us the money and that was the end of it. And, on the other hand, it seemed as if we might have to pay them back pursuant to us recovering the money from the TTFF1 or Jack Warner. Or that the TTFF might have to pay the money back to the government.

It is ambiguous to be honest. It happened so fast that I havent been able to put my stamp on the payment and the conditions.

In the wake of the media conference, Sancho said that the players maintain the right to go after the TTFA and/or its former advisor Jack Warner, who was chairman of the Local Organising Committee that collected revenue for the Germany World Cup on behalf of the football body.

Wired868 was told that, up until yesterdays media conference, TTFA general secretary Sheldon Phillips pleaded with Government to pay the World Cup players through the football body. The response was allegedly consistently negative.

Phillips denied that either he or the TTFA ever made such a request. But Tim Kee told the Trinidad Express that, in his opinion, the governments payment had relieved the TTFA of its debt obligations.

If a debt is owed and the debt is settled, it doesnt matter from what source, it is settled, said Tim Kee, who earlier this year had threatened to shut down the football body to deny the players their due. I didnt know that the Government is in the loan business; there is a big difference between loans and grants

It didnt matter where the money came from, Im extremely elated that this matter has been settled. It has been a real load on my back.

Not for the first time, Townley suggested that Tim Kees understanding of the legal issues surrounding the bonus dispute was less than solid.

The Prime Minister said that the payment was made without prejudice to the accrued rights of the Soca Warriors, said Townley. Raymonds fragile grasp of legal reality is displayed again by his statements

If you are in a debtor/creditor relationship with someone and another party comes along and says I feel sorry for you and here is a wad of money, it doesnt mean that the other persons debt to you disappears. That is illogical.

Townley pointed out the Prime Minister was very careful in her statements so as not to prejudice the legal rights of the players. He suggested that Tim Kee was either intentionally being silly or needed to make better use of legal advice.

The Prime Minister has been careful to say that she is not getting into the legal matter between the players and the TTFA, said Townley. And, even if she were to make the payment on behalf of the TTFA, it doesnt extinguish the debt; it just transfers it so that they will owe the government now.

His suggestion that the debt evaporated is a ridiculous interpretation of the legal situation.

Townley said that whether his clients would continue to pursue action against the TTFA and, possibly, Warner would depend on the players themselves, not him.

This morning, Sancho suggested that they would do just that. Any goodwill won by the football body last year after the opening payment to the players evaporated earlier this year when Tim Kee publicly insulted the players and  threatened to close down the TTFA to avoid settling the debt; and Phillips issued a media release which warned that the football body intended to continue uninterrupted despite the Warriors anger.

Wired868 understands that Phillips approached the players at the Diplomatic Centre yesterday and claimed that the money they received was thanks to the efforts of the football body. The players, an insider alleged, not-so-politely asked him to leave.

The next step is to talk to the legal minds to see how we can continue with the pursuance, Sancho told Wired868. We still have to talk things over with Mike (Townley) and talk as a group. But yesterdays settlement had absolutely nothing to do with the TTFF.

Townley explained that the players still feel it necessary to make Warner account for the alleged misappropriation of millions meant for local football. And the only way to do so is to go through the football body, which has continually declined to take legal action against its former trustee.

If the players stick to their guns, Tim Kee and Phillips will have to either go after Warner or be closed down.

We have never been able to find a way legally to go after Warner, said Townley. He has been able to shield himself effectively behind the TTFF. The TTFA could go after him or they could assign their rights to sue Warner to us or some other entity.

Or, if they are wound up, the liquidator can sue Warner in the name of the company.

For Tim Kee, the present PNM treasurer and Port of Spain mayor who served as Warners vice-president for almost two decades, it is an interesting dilemma.

During his rise to the post of TTFA president, Tim Kee repeatedly denied claims that he was Warners stooge. However, it was two of Warners staunchest allies in local football, Central Football Association president Bryan Layne and Eastern Football Association general secretary Neville Ferguson, who were reportedly responsible for his nomination to the post.

If there is a will to do so, we will go after the (TTFA), said Townley. There is no compromise of the players claim.

Regarding Warners release in reaction to yesterdays payment to the players, Townley said he almost fell out of his chair when he read it.

The man is so without grace, he said, it is amazing.

But it was Warners statement that first raised in Townleys mind an issue concerning yesterdays settlement about which he has mixed feelings.

Obviously thrilled to be paid, the attorney nevertheless opined that the way the announcement of the payment was handled by Persad-Bissessar was mind-boggling.

That the (Prime Minister) can effectively say we are going to spend a few million dollars on the players because it will make me feel good, said Townley. That couldnt happen in the UK; or certainly not that quickly without a parliamentary debate about it. But that is not to say it couldnt  happen like that in other places

If I was a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago or even a football fan, I would be pissed off at this. It is a messy situation because essentially someone else has paid Warners debt and he is off the hook again.

Over the coming weeks, the13 World Cup 2006 players will decide whether to continue their pursuit of Warner, who once declared that they would only ever get their money over his dead body.

If the players do decide to keep up the fight, the TTFA must decide whether it will stand by them or put its own operations at risk by continuing to back its former trustee.

Crucially, elections of officers for all the zonal football bodies as well as for the TTFA Executive are due this year.


Editors Note: The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association changed its name to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation in 1992 before reverting to its original title last year.

Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: weary1969 on July 08, 2014, 12:52:32 PM
How they run Sheldon everybody's favorite son in these parts.
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: Socapro on July 08, 2014, 01:03:51 PM
The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.

The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.

If the players still go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one while looking like angles hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.

In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good.
If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaigns in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: weary1969 on July 08, 2014, 01:12:13 PM
The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.

The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.

If the players go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.

In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good. If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaign in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.

How they will force Jack when the books would show funds went from Dundonald Street POS to SMR Couva at Rienzi. It have a reason why this was done. It have more in the mortar than the pesstle. Who knows what but in addition to the PR stunt it have something else. It might be a case of CYB ( Cover Yuh Butt). They hope by giving players the money it would end the isue and nothing can be traced back to them.
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: Socapro on July 08, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
The government doesn't want to help the TTFA/TTFF to pay off its debts especially with Tim Lee a PNM supporter in charge.

The loan to the players was just a PR stunt to make the PM look good before heading off on her Brazilian world cup holiday.

If the players go after the the TTFA and/or Jack then the government gets two of its perceived enemies for the price of one hence why they did not give the money to the TTFA.

In reality the PM and government doesn't care about T&T football and this was just a PR exercise to make themselves look good. If the government really cared about T&T football they would have forced Jack to repay the money he stole from the TTFF while he was a member of the government.
They would also be quite aware that the players money helped to fund their election campaign in 2006 and 2010 so if they were grateful an appropriate payment would have been paid back to the TTFF to settle the dispute with the players ages ago.

How they will force Jack when the books would show funds went from Dundonald Street POS to SMR Couva at Rienzi. It have a reason why this was done. It have more in the mortar than the pesstle. Who knows what but in addition to the PR stunt it have something else. It might be a case of CYB ( Cover Yuh Butt). They hope by giving players the money it would end the isue and nothing can be traced back to them.

Spot on!
However what they were hoping for (without saying it outright) the players have not fallen for.
They are probably annoyed that the players are still pursuing their case but considering they should have paid the money directly to the TTFA if they wanted to end the issue then they should have done exactly that.
In the end playing politics with our football may come back to bite them in the ass.
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: dreamer on July 08, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
Thanks for the story Lasana.
Thanks to Flex, Tallman and crew for being facilitators in their own way of somehow learning the truth.
Congrats Brent, Kelvin, Shaka, Cornel, Stern and others who paid your dues, and took career damaging  blacklisting on the chin ... and still taking insults as I read the news.
You all are real (bjut still unsung) heroes and we would be stuck with Renraw, Scamps, Rodent and the rest of the parasitic Cornmealy bugs had it not ben for you all. Funnily, because of your sacrifice, characters such as Anton and more deserving others like Latas might get paid, and Beenie just might consider coming back so we can show Costa Rica that we eh get leff behind completely for good.

Remember Warriors, as you have been hinting, this will help undo some damage and put food on the table and help you invest to secure your futures a little better but now you have more leverage to really help socawarrior fans and the football sector be liberated. Time to train all metaphorical guns of the legal system (note the emphasis on the word legal) on Jackulito, Scampito and Rodent and their dis theciples and all their ill gotten gains that have robbed the football sector and country of developmental revenue for football.

Renraw, the noose is tightening and there is little room to hide in T&T as yuh done know that you eh dare fly out of T&T, maybe not even to Tobago. Ah know iz painful. What a ting! Iz a frightening thing to know that anyone of yuh padnahs could have a metaphorical knife behind dey back and be ready to betray you as dey conveniently join de bandwaggon to slay de dragon. Cyah trus' yuh own children as de feds have dem by dey stones. Not even horner you can trust.
 
Press on Sancho, Kelvin, Shaka and crew. Scampito then Jackulito & any others involved in this nastiness will be brought to their knees. Zero to hero for you and the reverse for you know who. Doh hold back at all at all.  No mercy. The work now start. Keep yuh eye on the ball and on principle.
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: Socapro on July 08, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
Thinking about it our PM must be a real dunce.

So you are trying to tell me you hate the PNM so much that because Tim Lee the man in charge at the TTFA is seen as a PNM supporter that you are not prepared to donate the money owing to the players to the TTFA so that they could pay off their debts to the players?

So instead you try to pay the players direct even though legally you are not in a position as the leader of the T&T government and no part of the TTFA to do so and should also be aware of that fact as a qualified lawyer.

I rest my case that politics has seemingly blinded our PM to logic and commonsense and has somehow reduced her to a dunce.  :-\
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: weary1969 on July 08, 2014, 01:37:10 PM
Thanks for the story Lasana.
Thanks to Flex, Tallman and crew for being facilitators in their own way of somehow learning the truth.
Congrats Brent, Kelvin, Shaka, Cornel, Stern and others who paid your dues, and took career damaging  blacklisting on the chin ... and still taking insults as I read the news.
You all are real (bjut still unsung) heroes and we would be stuck with Renraw, Scamps, Rodent and the rest of the parasitic Cornmealy bugs had it not ben for you all. Funnily, because of your sacrifice, characters such as Anton and more deserving others like Latas might get paid, and Beenie just might consider coming back so we can show Costa Rica that we eh get leff behind completely for good.

Remember Warriors, as you have been hinting, this will help undo some damage and put food on the table and help you invest to secure your futures a little better but now you have more leverage to really help socawarrior fans and the football sector be liberated. Time to train all metaphorical guns of the legal system (note the emphasis on the word legal) on Jackulito, Scampito and Rodent and their dis theciples and all their ill gotten gains that have robbed the football sector and country of developmental revenue for football.

Renraw, the noose is tightening and there is little room to hide in T&T as yuh done know that you eh dare fly out of T&T, maybe not even to Tobago. Ah know iz painful. What a ting! Iz a frightening thing to know that anyone of yuh padnahs could have a metaphorical knife behind dey back and be ready to betray you as dey conveniently join de bandwaggon to slay de dragon. Cyah trus' yuh own children as de feds have dem by dey stones. Not even horner you can trust.
 
Press on Sancho, Kelvin, Shaka and crew. Scampito then Jackulito & any others involved in this nastiness will be brought to their knees. Zero to hero for you and the reverse for you know who. Doh hold back at all at all.  No mercy. The work now start. Keep yuh eye on the ball and on principle.

U 4get Eman whose thread help them follow the money.
Title: Re: Warriors attorney: TTFA, Warner not off the hook; unease on govt pay-off
Post by: dreamer on July 08, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
Eh forget E man at all but must be explicitly said, thanks E man, ... you too Weary and the WHOLE socawarrior fan base of posters too many to mention. Allyuh seeing hard work pay off. Dem eh owe we nutten but ah sense a principled mission unfinished..
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 10, 2014, 02:10:33 AM
Warriors go after Jack
T&T Express Reports.


The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) is the only avenue through which 13 members of the 2006 World Cup team feel they can have its former special adviser, ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, account for funds raised during the World Cup campaign eight years ago.

ESPN analyst and 2006 Soca Warriors goalkeeper Neil Shaka Hislop stated yesterday that was the reason the group had not ended legal proceedings against the Association, despite Government on Monday making agreeing to make a final US$1.3 bonus payment to them by the Association.

Speaking yesterday on the TV6 World Cup programme, Hislop said: Our only avenue to make him realise that responsibility is the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association. We will get our legal minds around it and (see) how we can make him accountable and not deny the young boys and girls the opportunities we enjoyed.

Hislop anticipates that some TT $200m was raised during the 2006 World Cup campaign that qualified Trinidad and Tobago as the smallest nation to play in a FIFA Mens World Cup. He also thinks that at most, expenses accounted for half of the money raised. There is a one hundred million hole that Mr. Warner has not addressed, and so far refuses to address, Hislop said.

Its not just about money anymore. Its about accountability, added Soca Warriors defender Brent Sancho.

Hislop added that he was aware that some people would call them greedy.

But some also called us silly when we began, Hislop countered. When we began we had no idea what we were due. We just knew it was more that the $5,800 Mr. Warner was offering. Pretty quickly after that we found out it was not about what we were due, but what Mr. Warner was prepared to pay to not reveal the $100m dollars.

Hislop said the next step is to consult with head lawyer Mike Townley and discuss the next step forward. The intention, he said is not to disrupt the function of the local football association.

We dont expect to infringe on the rights of the TTFA, or FIFA guidelines outlining interference, as it pertains to how football is governed, Hislop said. We have absolutely no intention of overthrowing anybody, least of all the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association. Our sole intention is to have Mr. Warner be accountable.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 10, 2014, 02:11:26 PM
Good move Sancho, Shaka and crew. Very grateful for your principled effort and I mean that for all of you,
You have access, clout, leverage and credibility to make a world of a difference.
It doesn't get better than this. I encourage you to press on.
Many people will be eternally grateful.
Horner yuh dey. Yuh kinda silent these days. Scary times boy.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 25, 2014, 02:10:29 AM
JACK TO PAY $.2M
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).


CHAGUANAS councillor Faaiq Mohammed who was accused by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, last year, of taking a bribe is set to receive just under $.25 million in compensation for the attack on his character by the former government minister.

The figure of $220,000 was awarded to Mohammed by Justice Vasheist Kokaram yesterday, who held that the allegation made by Warner was out-of-place, irresponsible and unsubstantiated.

There is absolutely no basis for the allegation of corruption which was levelled by Mr Warner against Mr Faaiq Mohammed, the judge said. Warner was not in court when the judge gave his ruling, however Mohammed speaking to reporters after, said he considered the sum fair, but added he would have preferred a public apology from Warner.

The judge made a proper statement that we should review the law and look toward making the defendant apologise because assassinating someones character is a serious thing. In this day and age all you have is your character.

The money will not stop the hurt because sometimes up to this day when I hear the words, which I will not repeat, but when I hear the words, I still feel something inside, Mohammed said as he left the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain with his parents and one of his lawyers, Kelvin Ramkissoon.

At least I might still use this money and do something good for the people and it might exonerate my name, Mohammed said. The 25-year-old UWI student initiated the lawsuit after he voted for a United National Congress (UNC) candidate for the post of presiding officer during the first meeting of the Chaguanas Borough Corporation, almost a month after the local government elections last October.

Mohammed, the councillor for Charlieville, claimed he was immediately expelled from the party by Warner, who then made defamatory statements about him, accusing him of taking a bribe.

Warner, in May, admitted defaming the expelled ILP member and accepted liability in the case.

Neither party could arrive at a settlement and as such the judge was forced to make a ruling on what the final figure should be.

Kokaram said Warners concession of liability could only mean that he accepted that his remarks could not be substantiated and were not made on an occasion which justified such a statement nor could it be reasonably said to be a responsible statement about Mohammeds character and the manner in which he cast his vote.

He said the statements by Warner concerned corruption in public office as the taking of a bribe of $2.5 million or any sum was a criminal offence and a breach of the codes of public office.

The more closely it touches the claimants personal integrity, professional reputation, honour, courage, loyalty and core attributes, the more serious it is likely to be. I hope that by my making these clear statements at the outset I have demonstrated that the defamatory statements and their imputations of corruption were out of place, irresponsible and unsubstantiated, Kokaram said.

Having regard to the nature of our relatively young society and the emphasis that should be placed on development of self esteem and character as an inherent good for the advancement of our democracy the court should begin to examine more effective remedies that may be appropriate to suitably compensate a victim of this tort yet still keeping faith the objectives of the damages remedy, he said.

The judge said the time had come to revisit the law of remedies in defamation law to ensure it kept in step with its objective of providing an effective remedy for persons. We are presently out of step in our defamation reform with the rest of the Commonwealth, he said.

According to Kokaram the law of damages in defamation cases fell short on vindicating someones reputation and was instead an obsessed conversion of dollar values of reputations.

The real healing effect of a public or private apology or a public statement made in open court as recompense may be just as or more effective than a pound of silver, he said.

In Mohammeds case as he assessed the evidence, Kokaram said it was clear the councillors vote was motivated by his own conscience and what he perceived to be the will and desire of the people he represents in Charlieville.

It was not a decision taken for private gain but in his view was a vote made for the advancement of his community, the judge said. Warner was ordered to pay costs in the sum of $42,000. Mohammed was represented by Avory Sinanan, SC and Kelvin Ramkissoon while William McCormick, QC, Om Lalla and Dereck Balliram represented Warner.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on July 25, 2014, 09:09:06 AM
Duttiness to the max. Open the flood gates of lawsuits.
No mercy.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 29, 2014, 06:35:46 AM
Dear Kamla, fire Anil
By SEAN DOUGLAS (Newsday).


INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) chairman and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner yesterday wrote a letter to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar urging her to fire Sports Minister Anil Roberts from the Cabinet, over findings in the Finance Ministrys Life Sport Programme audit.

But in an immediate reaction, Roberts suggested Warner was in no position to point fingers, due to what Roberts claimed were certain dubious actions by Warner when he was a government minister.

Warner in his letter to the PM, said the audit had found that Life Sport was plagued by procurement breaches, a deviation from Cabinets mandate, involvement of some persons in criminal activities, fraud by suppliers, theft of equipment, breaches of the Proceeds of Crime Act, and poor control and monitoring by the line Ministry.

Warner explained that good governance and the traditions of Westminster demand that where such mismanagement/corruption occurs, the relevant minister must resign or have his appointment revoked by the Prime Minister.

He cited sections of the 2010 Peoples Partnership (PP) Manifesto as grounds in which Roberts should be sacked in keeping with Governments promised, greater transparency and accountability.

Warner said it was the PMs duty to maintain the image and reputation of the Government and country locally, regionally and internationally. But contacted for a response, Roberts asked who was Warner to make such demands.

Tell Jack Warner to worry about a letter he wrote on a Ministry of Works and Infrastructure letterhead regarding money by contractors. Tell him to worry about that and read the Integrity in Public Life Act. Other than that, I have nothing to respond to Jack Warner, Roberts said.

Meanwhile, the TT Chamber of Industry and Commerce yesterday said it supports Governments action over the Life Sport Programme but urges more to be done by way of passing the Public Procurement and Disposal of Public Property Bill.

In a statement yesterday the Chamber commended Persad-Bissessar for ending the programme and sending the Ministry of Finances audit of Life Sport to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and Commissioner of Police (CoP).

But the Chamber lamented the many discrepancies identified in the report, including poor control by the Ministry of Sports; cases of fraud by suppliers and possible breaches of the Proceeds of Crime Act.

The Chamber backed the Prime Ministers view that this Report underscored the urgent need for procurement laws to become fully operationalised, and recalled that as part of the Private Sector Civil Society Group (PSCSG), they had made this same call to the Prime Minister in an advertisement published on July 25.

The Chamber vowed to continue to monitor this issue and, as with the wider national community, awaits the outcome of the investigations.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Kettle Pot Black
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 30, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
AUDIO LINKS FROM JACK

LINK 1 (http://news.power102fm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/JACK-WANTS-ANIL-GONE-1.mp3)

LINK 2 (http://news.power102fm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/JACK-WANTS-ANIL-GONE-2.mp3)

LINK 3 (http://news.power102fm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/JACK-WANTS-ANIL-GONE-3.mp3)

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on November 20, 2014, 02:57:50 AM
Warner, Bin Hammam named in FIFA probe
T&T Express Reports.


Although FIFA Ethics judge Hans-Joachim Eckerts findings named both former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner and former Asian confederation president Mohammed Bin Hammam as having contravened rules regarding payments, FIFA president Sepp Blatter has stated that the investigation into 2018 and 2022 World Cup bidding is closed.

In his findings released last week, Eckert, tasked with reporting on the investigation into those bidding processes conducted by chairman of the investigatory chamber of the FIFA Ethics Committee, Michael Garcia, named Warner and Bin Hammam as having contravened rules regarding payments, according to newpaper reports out of the UK.

Warner, a former UNC chairman and minster in various portfolios in the Trinidad and Tobago Government, resigned from FIFA in 2011, while Qatars Bin Hammam was banned for life by FIFA. Both are former FIFA ethics committee members.

But FIFA has lodged a criminal complaint with the Swiss attorney general over suspected unlawful activity of unnamed individuals connected with the bidding contests despite Blatters statement that the investigation is concluded.

The report, handed over to the Swiss prosecutors by Eckert as part of his findings into the Garcia investigation, will not be published, Blatter had said, citing the publication would breach FIFA and state laws.

The matter will now also be looked at by an independent, state body, which shows that FIFA is not opposed to transparency, Blatter was reported to have said.

A FIFA statement said: The subject of the criminal complaint is the possible misconduct of individual persons in connection with the awarding of the hosting rights of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups investigated by Michael Garcia.

In particular there seem to be grounds for suspicion that, in isolated cases, international transfers of assets with connections to Switzerland took place, which merit examination by the criminal prosecution authorities.

The identities of the individuals who have been reported to the attorney general have not been disclosed, according to the UK media report.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on April 20, 2015, 05:25:22 AM
Ex-EFA chairman: Warner sought bribe from Egypt over 2010 World Cup bid
By Hatem Maher (Ahram Online)


A former Egyptian Football Association chairman has accused ex-FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner of seeking a bribe to help garner votes for Egypts ill-fated bid to host the 2010 World Cup, which was eventually staged by South Africa.

El-Dahshouri Harb, who was EFA chairman when Egypt entered a hotly-contested race with the aim of becoming the first African country to host the World Cup, said on Sunday Egypt rebuffed the attempt of Warner to be an adviser of the bid.

Trinidad and Tobagos Warner was a member of FIFAs powerful Executive Committee and the head of CONCACAF at the time.

I did not imagine that FIFA was so corrupt. We met warner in the United Arab Emirates, where he asked us for a $7 million bribe in return of helping us get 13 votes in the World Cup bid, Harb said in a television interview with Sada El-Balad channel early Sunday.

He said he would be able to get us votes from the Americas and some from Central Asia and asked to be the bids adviser," Harb said.

We referred the matter to the minister of youth who consulted with the prime minister and the president. Egypts stance was clear: we preferred to get zero votes than paying a bribe, he added.

Egypt failed to get a single vote when the winner was announced in 2004, with South Africa beating competition from Morocco to win hosting rights of the footballs most prestigious tournament.

The outcome sent shockwaves across Egypt, with local media launching a scathing attack on football officials at the time, calling the result the World Cup zero scandal.

Warner resigned from his FIFA posts in June 2011, almost a month after being provisionally suspended by FIFAs Ethics Committee pending the outcome of corruption allegations against him.

Harb said Egypt should not support incumbent FIFA President Sepp Blatter in upcoming FIFA elections on 29 May. The 79-year-old Swiss is the overwhelming favourite to win, which would mean a fifth term in office.

Blatter will face competition from former Portugal star Luis Figo, Dutch Federation President Michael van Praag and Jordanian Prince Ali Bin Al-Hussein, who is also a FIFA vice-president.

Given what Blatter and his FIFA did to us, we should support our brother Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein. We should make that very clear, Harb added.

Egypt has yet to formally announce backing any candidate, but local reports suggested the country would support Blatter.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on April 20, 2015, 11:18:49 AM
.... and so many think that this duttines without any moral compass is a role model for socawarriors.
Horner, disown him I say ..... and to those who have benefitted from his brown envelope culture, make peace with your maker
and move on promising never to do it again. Thanks again Lasana and several socawarriors for playing such a big role in ending his "official" reign in the TTFA. Thanks to Flex, Tallman for creating the space for discussion to re-assess how much we must distance ourselves ... and before I forget, thanks to you Lasana for enduring the vile verbal abuse and expletives "yuh f**ker" just name a few, from those who despise what you do. Their level of venom to a relative small fry (but a good one though) like you, interestingly never matches the level that could be warranted for this sick individual called Jackulito. Even meh breds Coop's watchin' from above must be wondering what de he'll gone wrong wit' Renraw.
People, don't forget history otherwise we will be prone to repeat it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2015, 02:10:11 PM
Dreamer, the only person I know on this forum  who does openly come out in favor of Warner is Horner. Every Tom, dick and harrylal  have  pulverized Jack for his nearly total destruction of our beloved footie.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 01, 2015, 02:15:26 AM
Red card for Jack
By AZARD ALI (Newsday).


JACK WARNER was yesterday condemned by a High Court judge who said that the Independent Liberal Party political leader should be investigated by the Integrity Commission (IC).

Justice Frank Seepersad made the pronouncement that Warner, when he was a Minister in the Peoples Partnership, was given free secretarial services by a man who was then given a contract by the Local Organising Committee (LOC) South Africa 2010 Ltd in the staging of the Womens Under 17 World cup tournament. The LOC was chaired by Warner.

The man, Immamudin Baksh and his company Graphix Advantage Ltd (GAL) sued the Football Federation (TTFF), Warner and LOC, for $1.2 million after he was not paid. On the issue of Baksh providing free secretarial services for Warner who at the tine was Minister of Works and Infrastructure, Justice Seepersad yesterday said, Inappropriate behaviour in public office has to be condemned and cannot be tolerated.

The LOC, which at the time was chaired by Warner, was established by the TTFF which at the time had as its Special Adviser Jack Warner for the sole purpose of staging the World Cup tournament in TT. The LOC was yesterday ordered by Seepersad to pay GAL $1.2. GAL was contracted by the LOC to erect signs, posters and banners at stadiums and the airport, for hosting of the tournament.

The judge found that more than the fact that Bakshs GAL was not paid $1.2 million, he worked free of charge for Warner who was a member of the Government. Such free services to a member of the executive arm of government, the judge added, warrants an investigation by the IC. At the trial, both Warner and Baksh testified.

In a nine-page judgment yesterday, Seepersad stated that LOC was a company set up by TTFF solely for organising the womens World Cup. Baksh was working for Warner as his secretary. The PP Government came into power in May 2010 and Baksh claimed that in August of that year, it was Warner who asked Baksh to provide banners and posters at all stadia in the country for the event. Baksh stated that Warner told him, I am LOC!

Warner contended, however, that it was the LOC who contracted Bakshs GAL as evidenced by invoices and delivery notes addressed to the LOC. During the trial, Warner was cross-examined by Senior Counsel Hendrickson Seunath who represented GAL. Attorney Keith Scotland and Owen Hinds Jr represented the LOC and Warner respectively.

In his judgment, Seepersad found that given Warners reputation in football and his relationship with Baksh who worked for him gratuitously (free), it could not be said that he (Warner) did not enter into a contract with Baksh.

Seepersad said the court felt compelled to voice its alarm at the employment arrangement between Baksh and Warner. Justice Seepersad said public officers must jealously guard the integrity of their office and the acceptance of gratuitous labour by holders of high office, is unacceptable.

Such arrangements undermine the integrity and independence of the office, Justice Seepersad said. A perception is thereby created that such arrangements are reflective of a situation where the provider of gratuitous service expects and/or receives remuneration in other unconventional ways.

The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest. The Integrity Commission last month requested that President Anthony Carmona appoint a tribunal to investigate Warners income, assets and liabilities, by virtue of him being a former minister and currently a Member of Parliament.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 01, 2015, 07:15:03 AM
The judge did not order Warner to pay Baksh but instead ordered the TTFF and LOC, to pay the $1,262,413.19, with interest.


So, is Tim Kee and company now have to pay that? Grossly unfair. But..... he is TTFF/TTFA now!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 02, 2015, 08:36:28 AM
Anybody have a answer to my question. Why the judge did not ask Jack to the pay the money? Why saddle the burden on the debt ridden TTFA?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 02:15:11 AM
JACK Warner JAILED
By JADA LOUTOO and RYAN HAMILTON-DAVIS
Thursday, May 28 2015
T&T Newsday

 
CHAGUANAS West Member of Parliament and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner spent last night in jail after he was unable to have bail documents approved to allow his release on charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies in connection with a 24-year scheme to enrich himself by corrupting soccer.

A generally sombre Warner managed some smiles and a wave as he emerged from the Port-of- Spain Magistrates Court at 5 pm yesterday after being granted $2.5 million bail by Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayes Caesar before whom he appeared. He surrendered to police about an hour earlier.

When his matter came up in the courtroom, his attorney Fyard Hosein told the chief magistrate that he had secured pre-approved bail in the sum of $1.9 million. This drew a quizzical look from Ayers Caesar who asked the attorney what he meant. Hosein responded that it was the sum approved by a Justice of the Peace.

However, the chief magistrate made it clear that it was for her to determine the bail amount and ordered the sum of $2.5 million instead. Warner went to the Fraud Squad at the corner of Richmond and Park streets in Port-of-Spain hours after he and 13 others, all overseas football officials, were indicted by the United States Department of Justice accused of abusing their positions of trust to acquire millions of dollars in bribes and kickbacks.

In a press statement, issued early yesterday after the 47-count indictment was unsealed in a Federal court in Brooklyn, New York, and began making international headlines on most news networks including the BBC and CNN, Warner maintained his innocence and said FIFA business no longer concerned him. He also said in a radio interview early yesterday morning that he was able to sleep at nights and that if the United States Department of Justice wanted him, they knew where to find him. (See Pages 16 and 17)

In addition to being an MP, Warner is political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), which will be contesting 41 seats in the upcoming general elections Although granted bail by the chief magistrate, Warner was unable to get the documents approved and was taken to the Frederick Street remand yard, after last ditch efforts to rectify matters failed. He is due to return to court on July 9, but his attorneys are expected to iron out the bail issues today to allow him to be released.

A provisional warrant of arrest was sought by the United States for Warners extradition to that country to answer an eight-count indictment. At about 2.30 pm yesterday, Warner and his attorneys went to the Fraud Squad offices where he surrendered. Almost an hour later, he was taken by police to the Port-of-Spain Magistrates Court where he appeared before the chief magistrate who read out the 12 charges to him and subsequently heard the bail application by his lead attorney Hosein.

Hosein told Ayers Caesar that his client was entitled to bail, was of good character and was a sitting Member of Parliament, a former teacher, Minister and Special Reserve Policeman. With no objections, the chief magistrate set bail in the sum of $2.5 million with a surety, to be approved by a Clerk of the Peace. She also ordered that Warner surrender his passport and report to the Arouca Police Station on Mondays and Thursdays between 6 am and 6 pm. Hosein indicated that they had a pre-approved deed, as well as other documents, to cover bail in the sum of $1.9 million. Once bail was set at $2.5 million, another deed was brought but it made little difference to the Clerk of the Peace III, whose approval was required.

According to the charges, Warner and several others, are alleged to have systematically paid and agreed to pay over $150 million in bribes and kickbacks to obtain lucrative media and marketing rights to international soccer tournaments.

A suited Warner sat quietly in the prisoners docks throughout his court appearance. His only response was Thank You Maam, before being led out of the courtroom by court and process officers.

At about 4.54 pm, a marked police vehicle reversed into the area at the St Vincent Street Magistrates Court reserved for prisoners, leading to speculation that Warner would be going to prison for the night. Confirmation came minutes later and he was taken to the Frederick Street remand yard. One man among scores of curious onlookers who gathered outside the courts to get a glimpse of the former FIFA boss, loudly expressed his support for Warner, saying he should be tried in an international court rather than in biased US courts.

As Warner was taken from the courthouse, one woman almost collapsed in grief while his driver also wept openly. In a statement earlier in the day, Warner distanced himself from the investigations and questioned the timing of the arrests. (See Page 5)

Of the 14 former FIFA officials and corporate executives indicted in the American courts, seven of them were arrested yesterday in Zurich where the international football body is curently meeting to elect a new president. Four other men previously pleaded guilty to the US charges including Warners two sons, Daryan and Daryll.

US Attorney General Loretta Lynch said: The indictment alleges corruption that is rampant, systemic, and deep-rooted both abroad and here in the United States. It spans at least two generations of soccer officials who, as alleged, have abused their positions of trust to acquire millions of dollars in bribes and kickbacks. And it has profoundly harmed a multitude of victims, from the youth leagues and developing countries that should benefit from the revenue generated by the commercial rights these organisations hold, to the fans at home and throughout the world whose support for the game makes those rights valuable.

Todays action makes clear that this Department of Justice intends to end any such corrupt practices, to root out misconduct, and to bring wrongdoers to justice and we look forward to continuing to work with other countries in this effort, she said.

Also appearing for Warner during his court appearance in Port- of-Spain yesterday were Rishi Dass, Nyree Alphonso and Rekha Ramjit. Senior Counsel Pamela Elder leads Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen, Richard Mason and Alvin Pariagsingh for the requesting state.

The Central Authority, through which the US is seeking Warners extradition, is represented by its Head, Netram Kowlessar.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 02:15:45 AM
Rowley not surprised at charges
By MIRANDA LA ROSE (Newsday)
Thursday, May 28 2015


SUSPENDED Leader of the Opposition Dr Keith Rowley said he was not surprised that the United States Federal Bureau of Investigations was seeking the extradition of MP for Chaguanas West Jack Warner, on fraud charges allegedly committed while he served footballs governing body, FIFA, as a vice president.

Given what was already in the public domain over the last few years and allegations that were being made, in and out of FIFA, Rowley told Newsday, I am not entirely surprised and I always suspected that something like this could happen. I would expect that the law will take its course, and the case is still unfolding, so I would not say much.

Very little of the indictment was surprising, he said, because FIFA business and the allegations of fraudulent activities, have been around for quite sometime. The scale and speed at which it is happening, is however quite impressive.

What seems to have happened now, he said, was that the allegations have crystalized into specifics which were attracting the law enforcement around the world, including Trinidad and Tobago.

It is a major international development spanning continents and law enforcement agencies across the Europe, North America, the Caribbean and South America. I suspect that there is more, and I will wait to see how it unfolds, he said.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 02:17:34 AM
Sancho wants Warner answer FBI questions
By STEPHON NICHOLAS (Newsday).


Minister of Sport and former Soca Warrior, Brent Sancho, believes ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner should be extradited to the United States to answer serious questions posed to him by the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigations).

Sancho was speaking with Newsday following an early morning sweep in Switzerland by police on delegates who were convening for Fridays FIFA presidential election where incumbent Sepp Blatter is seeking a fifth consecutive term.

Warner, who resigned from FIFA in June 2011 amid a proliferation of allegations of corruption, is named among 14 persons indicted including current Concacaf boss Jeffrey Webb for racketeering, fraud and money laundering.

Sancho, who had a personal battle with Warner and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) for 2006 World Cup bonuses and accountability for close to $200 million from the 2006 World Cup campaign, had little sympathy for the former Special Adviser to the TTFA.

I believe once there is concrete evidence he should answer what questions are raised to him. And based on the international reports that have been coming out for the last few years he has to answer a number of serious questions, he stated.

Sancho said he was not surprised by yesterdays developments as he reminded the public that Warner is not untouchable despite the power he once wielded throughout the world.

I am not surprised at all. This has been something in the making for quite a while. There has been a number of allegations around FIFA and the only real surprise is that it has taken so long. There was the (Mohammed) bin Hammam situation (alleged US$40k bribes to (Caribbean officials) right here in Trinidad. Hes not untouchable but it is unprecedented. FIFA has been a law unto themselves for quite a while, he said.

Sancho said this current FIFA scandal is a reminder to all sporting bodies to adhere to the principles of integrity while in office as no longer will the world sit back and allow corrupt sporting activities to continue unpunished.

Its a historic day in terms of how people will conduct business. We at home and the TTFA need to be cognizant of this. Im not saying they have done anything illegal but we must be aware that accountability is a must. People must remember how powerful Concacaf is in terms of voting because of the number of countries we have. It has a lot to say in terms of everything going on at FIFA and what is playing out right now, he explained.

Asked whether he feels vindicated considering their much publicised battle with Warner and the TTFA, Sancho said: One thing is for sure is we unearthed a lot of stuff to do with whats transpiring now. We are happy that the stuff we unearthed has now come home to roost. Its a sad day for football, he declared.

Asked whether FIFA has any credibility left, Sancho did not give a definite answer but urged footballs governing body to use this scandal as the impetus to purge itself from corrupt activities and officials. That is the million dollar question now. Where do they go from here? From allegations to now arrests, I hope things can be cleansed but we dont know how this will now affect tournaments coming up, he said.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 03:44:57 PM
The rise and fall of Trinidads Jack Warner, the former teacher at the center of the FIFA allegations
By Michael E. Miller (the Washington post).


It was May 11, 2011, and Trinidad Jack, as reporters call him, was holding court.

From his perch atop a raised table at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Port-of-Spain, the capital of Trinidad and Tobago, Jack Warner tried to quell the revolt within the ranks of the Caribbean Football Union. The day before, Warner had doled out brown paper envelopes with $40,000 in them to each of the unions 25 visiting members. The money, he now explained, came from Mohamed bin Hammam, a Qatari businessman running against Sepp Blatter for FIFAs presidency.

Someone in the crowd, however, had called headquarters to complain. The media would be asking questions. So Warner wanted to set things straight: The cash wasnt a bribe, he said, but a gift from Hammam. The Qatari had fresh ideas. The Caribbean could hand him the presidency, as long as it voted as a bloc.

Any country that doesnt want the gift has the right to give it back to him, Warner said of the payments. I know there are some people here who believe they are more pious than thou. If you are pious, go to a church, friends, but the fact is our business is our business.

Two weeks later, news broke about the Caribbean cash. Fifa in crisis after claims against Jack Warner and Mohamed bin Hammam, reported the Guardian. The Telegraph obtained video of Warners speech. Bin Hammam pulled out of the election and was banned from FIFA for life. Warner abruptly retired from his positions as FIFAs vice president and head of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF).

In hindsight, the headlines almost seem quaint. If that was a crisis, then this weeks massive crackdown on FIFA is the soccer apocalypse. On Wednesday morning, U.S. prosecutors unsealed a 47-count indictment accusing Warner and other world soccer figures of a $150 million bribery and racketeering scheme. Swiss officials pulled seven FIFA officials out of their swanky Zurich hotel and arrested them. The indictment also mentions 75 unnamed co-conspirators, raising the possibility that others remain under investigation.

The beautiful game was hijacked, FBI Director James B. Comey said.

Warner and the alleged secret payments in Port-of-Spain both feature prominently in the indictment. In many ways, the man is the most visible face in the ongoing FIFA scandal. His arrest on Wednesday is a stunning twist to the Trinidadians already remarkable story. His rise from a classroom to sporting power and his spectacular fall from football grace say much about how the worlds most popular game is run, and what ails it.

Before he was one of the most powerful men in sports, Jack Warner was a schoolteacher from a small city in a tiny country. Warner was born, in his own words, a poor black boy in Rio Claro in the south of the island, according to an excerpt from Andrew Jenningss 2006 book Foul!: The Secret World of FIFA: Bribes, Vote Rigging and Ticket Scandals.

Jack trained as a teacher, agitated briefly in Trinidads Black Power movement, and then spotted a bigger opportunity: football, Jennings wrote in a book excerpt in the Daily Mail. Warner saw that the Caribbean Football Union offered a stepping stone to greater power. In 1983, he ran successfully for the presidency and that gave him an automatic seat on FIFAs executive. In a biography he commissioned for himself in 1998, this was described as a step that created major revenue earning opportunities.'

In 1989, Warner was involved in his first big soccer controversy. Trinidad and Tobago was one point away from qualifying for the 1990 World Cup. As head of the countrys soccer federation, Warner printed thousands of extra tickets and ignored rules forbidding alcohol sales at the stadium, according to Jennings. The stadium was dangerously overcrowded. When Trinidad lost, an angry public demanded answers. Warner later admitted to newspapers that he sold an extra 5,000 tickets.

But Warner was saved by Chuck Blazer, vice president of the U.S. Soccer Federation, who recruited the Trinidadian to run for president of CONCACAF, according to Jennings and the indictment. It was a position that offered the schoolteacher and part-time soccer administrator tremendous power, and not only over its members. With 35 members across North America, Central America and the Caribbean, CONCACAF is a formidable force in FIFA.

Warner quit his position at Port-of-Spains Polytechnic Institute and devoted himself to transforming Trinidad and CONCACAF. He established an official office on the tiny island and built a $16 million state-of-the-art soccer facility on land that he owned. (When CONCACAF later filed litigation against him over the land, Warner called it a political vendetta against him.)

As Blazer and Jack Warner steadily grew CONCACAF, the number of CONCACAFs staff grew as well, according to a 2013 internal report. Eventually, CONCACAFs New York office occupied an entire floor in the Trump Tower, which included a full broadcast studio.

Under Warner and Blazer, the business of soccer boomed in both the United States and the Caribbean. Blazer and Warner also made money for CONCACAF, transforming it from a rickety assemblage of soccer groups with an annual budget of $140,000 to a $40 million cash cow on sponsorship, media and vendor contracts that Blazer negotiated, according to the New York Daily News.

But success and allegations of scandal seemed to go hand-in-hand for Warner. In 2004, he helped arrange a friendly match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago. After the game, Warner requested that the $75,000 proceeds check be made out to his personal account, the head of the Scottish Football Association claimed, according to the New York Times.

In 2006, Warner was implicated in a public scandal involving the reselling of large blocks of tickets to the 2006 World Cup at inflated prices, according to the 2013 CONCACAF report. The tickets were made available to certain football officials by the FIFA ticket office with the understanding that, if they were resold, it would not be for more than face value. Investigations resulted in FIFA fining Warners son $1 million for reselling the tickets, which were acquired from FIFA under Warners name, through a travel agency owned by Warner and his family. He was also accused of stiffing the Trinidadian soccer team out of its prize money. Warner denied all wrongdoing.

Warner emerged unscathed. Four years later, however, he was caught up in even uglier accusations. British and Trinidadian soccer officials accused him of misusing funds donated to help Haitian earthquake victims watch the World Cup. Again Warner proclaimed innocence and suggested the allegations were part of a conspiracy against him.

Then came the scandal that took him down and could possibly drag FIFA down with him. At the May 2011 conference at the Hyatt Regency in Port-of-Spain, Warner started his speech by making sure that there were no journalists present. Is the media here? he asked, before openly discussing the packets of Qatari cash he had doled out hours earlier to Caribbean soccer federations.

So I am making the point here, folks, that it was given to you because [bin Hammam] could not bring the silver tray and a silver, some silver trinkets and so on, and some thing with Qatari sand, he said. So I said put a value on it and give the countries [cash], and the gift you get is for you to determine how best you want to use it for development for football in your country.

Warner went on to praise bin Hammam and slam Sepp Blatter. The Caribbean had been slighted under the Swiss FIFA president, so why not try someone else? Once bin Hammam loses, it means that is the end of any opponent to Blatter, Warner warned. With the FIFA election only a few weeks away, he encouraged the Caribbean to vote as a bloc.

If ever the power of FIFA is held in our hands, that time is now, Warner said, according to the recorded speech. And believe you me, it is not in the hands of CONCACAF, you know; it is the hands of the [Caribbean Football Union]. Mr. bin Hammam is dismissive of the seven members in Europe; he knows that he cant get them. He knows that. He knows that he cant get one or two in the Caribbean. But he also knows that if we decide how we vote as a group, as a bloc, he knows that will decide who wins. Right now he has about 90 votes; right now Sepp Blatter has 85 votes, count them. That is 180. FIFA has 209 members. Look and see what is happening. I tell you how important we are. And he cannot fritter that away. Never have we been so important as we are now. Never have we been so important as we are now, and we cant just throw it away.

When the story hit newspapers two weeks later, however, Warners plans fell apart. Bin Hammam pulled out, Blatter won reelection, and Warner resigned in disgrace although not without his FIFA pension.

It appears as if that incident played a role in the sweeping indictment on Wednesday. The 2011 scandal started a bitter and public feud between not only Warner and Blatter, but also between Warner and his former close friend Chuck Blazer. When Caribbean countries complained about the cash bribes, Blazer sent Warner an email warning him in code that MBHs ATMs (Mohammed bin Hammams money) were doing some damage and we need to talk people are asking questions and I dont know how to respond,' according to the Daily News. But Warner ignored Blazers plea for some kind of damage control and Blazer, seeing no other way to save himself, called FIFA in Zurich to report an apparent breach of ethics.

But Blazer had his own problems, including failing to pay U.S. income taxes for over a decade. Just months after Blazer blew the whistle on his friend, he was on a sidewalk in Midtown when his mobility scooter was blocked by a pair of agents from the IRS and FBI, the Daily News reported. The agents told him they could take him away in handcuffs, or he could cooperate. It took Blazer less than an hour to decide to cooperate.

Blazer is believed to be Co-conspirator #1″ in Wednesdays indictment. He pleaded guilty to 10 counts including racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering in 2013, a plea that was sealed until this week, according to U.S. authorities. That same year, Warners own sons, Daryll and Daryan, also pleaded guilty to fraud. There was hardly any news of their arrests, either in the United States or Trinidad. But it was around that time that Warner quit the Trinidadian Parliament, where he had been a member since 2007.

Even as his own sons were secretly pleading guilty, however, Warner remained publicly unperturbed. Instead of disappearing, he founded the Independent Liberal Party. Promising performance, he won back his seat in Parliament. Outwardly, at least, it seemed as if Trinidad Jack would escape punishment.

But on Wednesday, officials in Switzerland and the United States sprang their trap, and the former soccer bosss hours were numbered. He was indicted. He turned himself in to authorities but not before posting a defiant message proclaiming his innocence to his personal Web site, Warner TV. He posted $395,000 bond and will be released Thursday, according to the Guardian and local media.

Warner faces a series of felony charges, starting with the alleged secret payments in Port-of-Spain. According to the indictment, Warner also received millions in bribes for his efforts to secure World Cups for South Africa and Qatar.

In the early 2000s, Warner sent a family member to fly to Paris, France and accept a briefcase containing bundles of U.S. currency in $10,000 stacks in a hotel room from a high-ranking South African bid committee official. Hours after arriving in Paris, [the family member] boarded a return flight and carried the briefcase back to Trinidad and Tobago, where [the family member] provided it to Warner, according to the indictment. Warner also later agreed to vote for South Africa to host the 2010 World Cup in exchange for $10 million to support the African diaspora, the indictment says. When South Africa couldnt pay the alleged bribe, FIFA did: A high-ranking FIFA official caused payments of $616,000, $1,600,000, and $7,784,000 totaling $10 million to be wired from a FIFA account in Switzerland to a Bank of America correspondent account in New York, New York, for credit to accounts held in the names of CFU and CONCACAF, but controlled by the defendant Jack Warner.

The indictment also accuses Warner of receiving huge wire transfers from Qatar shortly after supporting bin Hammams presidential campaign and the countrys bid for the 2022 World Cup: On or about July 14, 2011, after the scheme had been uncovered and the defendant Jack Warner resigned from his soccer-related positions, Co-Conspirator #7 caused $1,211,980 to be wired from an account that he controlled at Doha Bank in Qatar, to a correspondent account at Citibank, for credit to an account held in Warners name at Intercommercial Bank in Trinidad and Tobago.

Warner is now one of the faces of the alleged $150 million FIFA scandal, while his nemesis, Blatter, remains in charge of the organization.

Back in his 2011 speech, the Trinidadian claimed that the FIFA president knew about the gifts.

What I am telling you here even Mr. Blatter is aware of, Warner told the crowd at the Hyatt. Its no secret. I told Blatter also what he gets as well.

Asked specifically about the gifts, Blatter denied any wrongdoing, according to the BBC.


Michael E. Miller is a foreign affairs reporter for The Washington Post. He writes for the Morning Mix news blog. Tweet him: @MikeMillerDC

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 28, 2015, 04:04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gE7N9138P6o#t=291

Skip to 4:44

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 28, 2015, 05:29:45 PM
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Title: ILP leader, Jack Warner, getting ready to address his supporters. Live! 91.9
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 28, 2015, 06:54:30 PM
http://www.thestreet919fm.com/
Title: Re: ILP leader, Jack Warner, is getting ready to address his supporters. Live! 91.9
Post by: asylumseeker on May 28, 2015, 07:42:39 PM
Didn't catch it from the beginning, but it was epic for the few minutes I heard. Somebody roll tape from the beginning please!
Title: Re: ILP leader, Jack Warner, is getting ready to address his supporters. Live! 91.9
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 28, 2015, 08:12:45 PM
Didn't catch it from the beginning, but it was epic for the few minutes I heard. Somebody roll tape from the beginning please!

Epic is right. I think he said the BBC was there so search for it in the media.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 01:55:44 AM
Fresh from prison Warner says he's not holding back any longer on Kamla.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


The Gloves are Off

Declaring that the "gloves are off", Jack Warner said last night he that intends to go after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and reveal all through a tape which he will give to four lawyers.

Warner was speaking for the first time since being released from prison at an Independent Liberal Party (ILP) cottage meeting in Endeavour, Chaguanas.

I want to tell Kamla that as of tonight the gloves are off! Kamla having jailed me, as of tonight the gloves are off! said Warner.

Everything I have against Kamla I will bring it out. I have kept it back too long and I will bring it out...but not tonight, he continued.

Warner said he feels his life is under threat and as such he has decided to make a video tape and give it to four lawyers--from the ILP, the People's National Movement (PNM), the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) and his own private attorney.

Warner, a former FIFA Vice President , was taken to prison on Wednesday evening after appearing before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court following his surrender to Fraud Squad detectives earlier that day.

He is wanted in the United States on charges of fraud, racketeering and money laundering in that country and Trinidad and Tobago while holding the position of vice-president of FIFA. The indictment lists eight charges, but when Warner appeared before Ayers-Caesar, a total of 12 charges were read. The alleged offences occurred as far back as 1990.

He was released yesterday after supplying a proper deed to secure his $2.5 million bail.

Persad-Bissessar, when questioned by the media yesterday following the opening of the new Maloney Police Station, said she received no funding from Warner when she contested the United National Congress (UNC) internal election in 2010. She also denied receiving money from Warner for the 2010 general election or the 2013 Tobago House of Assembly election.

I will tell you something--she lie, said Warner last night in response to her comments. He said he will name all the contractors he and Persad-Bissessar went to.

Warner said in one case it was so obscene that he walked out and Stacy (Roopnarine) walked in.All gloves are off, I remained silent for too long...they believe they could walk all over me, said Warner.

Warner maintained he is innocent of the charges leveled against him by US authorities.He said if he's being accused of financial impropriety, then the question should be asked, who gave it (the money).

He said this issue was bigger than people in Trinidad and Tobago think. Why is it only third world countries are charged? he asked. He further questioned what was wrong in giving countries like Russia and Qatar the opportunity to host the World Cup. He said being from a third world country, he understood Qatar's position but, the US felt they have the divine right to anything.

He said that he cut all ties with FIFA four years ago. If after four years they still can't forget Jack Warner something wrong, he said. Warner said he was never questioned with respect to the charges made against him. They never ask me once...charges...I Jack Warner know nothing about those charges, what our lawyers have done is tell them to prove it, he said.

Calls from Panday/Dookeran

Warner said he was overwhelmed with calls and messages from all over the globe. But the two calls that touched his heart were from the Panday familyformer prime minister Basdeo Panday, his wife Oma and daughter Mickela - and the second call from Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran and his wife. He disclosed that though he was depressed as he has never been to jail in his life, he thinks it is a mark of honour as he noted that Basdeo Panday, Nelson Mandela, Indira Gandhi and (Fidel) Castro all served time in jail. He said he received Hyatt treatment whilst in jail and showered praise and gratitude to the prison officers and deputy Prisons Commissioner.

Warner also slammed Attorney General Garvin Nicholas, whom he claimed signed extradition papers in 15 minutes.He said it took three months before extradition papers were signed for Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.How the hell after five years he can't ask the US to send back Calder Hart here, said Warner.

Warner claimed everything that was happening was a plot by the Government to get rid of him. I'm surprised that Keith (Rowley) didn't understand that, said Warner, expressing disappointment over the comments Rowley made in an Express report.

He said the Government, having killed Rowley with his suspension from Parliament, was now turning on him.

Warner's return was an emotional one for his supporters as Josh Groban's You Lift Me Up was played on his entry. Warner noted the heavy media presence at last night's meeting, including the BBC.

"If to make one day jail cause that I should make two, he joked.Jack is alive and kicking. I want to tell you he will be with you to the end, said Warner.

Warner angry at prison time.
T&T Guardian Reports.


All bets off Kamla

Independent Liberal party (ILP) leader Jack Warner last night promised to expose all the wrongdoings of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessars Peoples Partnership Government.

He made the comment as he appeared at an ILP meeting in Chaguanas hours after he walked out the Port-of-Spain prison having finally secured his bail.

As of tonight, Kamla, all bets are off, he told his supporters.

Having jailed me, as of tonight all bets are off. Everything I have against Kamla I will bring it out. I have kept it too long.

Warner spent the night in jail Wednesday as he was unable to secure bail in time following an appearance in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates Court, in relation to charges brought against him by the US Department of Justice for activities as a former Fifa executive member.

Saying his experience over the past 24 hours had made him realise just how vindictive the PP Government was, a visibly upset Warner said he would take off all gloves in the build up to the election.

After using his signature phrase of not tonight, Warner gave a glimpse of what was to come.

Kamla said I never helped her financially but that is a lie, he said. (See Page A6)

He alleged that he was party to campaign financing drives in which they visited contractors across the country in 2010, but said it was so obscene that he stayed outside as other party officials went to conduct the activity.

Stopping there, Warner said he felt as though his life was threatened and had made four video tapes which he would distribute to four lawyers.

I will give one to a PNM lawyer, one to a ILP lawyer, one to a MSJ lawyer and one to my lawyer. They believe they could walk all over me because I have remained silent but Jack is alive and kicking.

Warner also directly addressed the charges against him stemming from his tenure as Fifa vice-president and Concacaf and CFU president.

He denied being guilty of the charges levelled against him by the US Department of Justice.

I have been in Fifa for 30 years and if I took that money, who gave it to me? Why are only officials in third world countries being charged?

He said he was depressed in jail because he had never been to jail in his life. But he maintained there would be no government in this country without the ILP. He said his imprisonment was part of a bigger plan.

There are people in this country and in Government who hate Jack Warner and want to see him imprisoned, he said.

He also questioned the haste in which the extradition order was signed by Attorney General Garvin Nicholas.

The charge came here and in 15 minutes Nicholas signed it. He never spoke to me, he never called to look at evidence. It took the AG three months to sign for Ish and Steve, he said.

He signed to send his countryman to the USA in chains. If Nicholas had his way I wouldnt be here at all. Get rid of Rowley. Get rid of Warner, then call elections.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 01:58:03 AM
'Jack's accountant bought foreign $$'
By Camini Marajh (Express).


The JTA Supermarket chain is the business interest currently engaging the attention of United States law enforcement authorities, sources have disclosed.

The eight-count federal indictment, which makes corruption allegations against former government minister Jack Warner, alleges the ex-FIFA vice-president diverted a "significant portion" of a US$10 million bribe to his private account in a local bank and "laundered the funds through accounts held in the name of a large supermarket chain and affiliated investment company in Trinidad".

Sources have identified the supermarket chain as JTA Supermarket and the affiliated company mentioned in the US- issued indictment against War-ner as JT Allum and Co Ltd.

Owner and director of the JTA Group Carl Mack yes- terday confirmed there were "some foreign currency purchases" from Warner by the company's accountant, Kenny Rampersad.

As reported in a 12-part series published in this newspaper in 2013, Rampersad was also Warner's accountant-in-chief for myriad football entities, including Con- cacaf, the regional confede- ration comprising North and Central America and the Caribbean; Caribbean Football Union (CFU); Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF); LOC Germany 2006 Ltd; and the disputed Centre of Excellence in Macoya. He was also the auditor for Concacaf.

Reached for comment, Mack said all of the foreign currency purchases from Warn- er were done by his accountant, who also happened to be Warn- er's main man of business. He said the requisite source of funds declarations were made for all of the foreign exchange purchases from Warner.

Rampersad, best known for his role in producing four sets of conflicting TTFF financial statements in as many years, refused comment when contacted by the Express yesterday.

"I cannot speak now," he said when this reporter identified herself.

Told we were calling about foreign currency transactions related to the JTA group, Rampersad said, "I said I cannot speak now!"

Pressed on the issue of JTA being mentioned in the indictment, he repeated his comment of being unable to speak and said only, "The timing is bad," before terminating the call.

As reported in our series, a minimum of $205.6 million in public and private sector funds was paid to the national football association, in support of the 2006 World Cup campaign.

The various Rampersad financial statements however painted a far more modest picture and reflected many discrepancies, and more than a $100 million missing in World Cup income.

US$1.4m sent to grocery owner.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


US not keen on Jacks Trini co-conspirator...

There has been no request by the US authorities for the extradition of anyone else from T&T besides Jack Warner, such as the Trinidadian supermarket chain businessman named in US court documents as individual one and who was alleged to be the person to whom Warner transferred US$1.4 million in 2008.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas confirmed the situation yesterday following queries about the businessman described in the court documents as someone who also controlled a real estate and investment company in T&T.

Cheques totalling approximately the same $1.4 million amount and drawn on an account held in the name of Trinidadian Company B, a real estate and investment company also controlled by Individual 1, were deposited into a bank account held in the name of Warner and a family member at First Citizens Bank in T&T, according to the US court document.

The document stated that individual one and the companies the person controlled in T&T were known to the US grand jury.

Nicholas said T&T had issued a lot of information but would not detail aspects.

The 166-page court document concerns the US case against The Fifa 14, football world defendants,  on whom US authorities moved on Wednesday. The document lists Warner as the fifth person in the case.

The document was filed in the US (Eastern) District Court of New York since May 20 but was unsealed on Wednesday, the same day US authorities, who arrived in T&T recently,  began an application with T&Ts Central Authority for Warners extradition. Nicholas said the US had 60 days in which to do that.

The US case alleges that certain people and entities employed by and associated with Fifa, including the 14 defendants, used their positions within the enterprise to engage in schemes involving the solicitation, offer, acceptance, payment and receipt of undisclosed and illegal payments, bribes, and kickbacks... the defendants and their co-conspirators corrupted the enterprise by engaging in various criminal activities, including fraud, bribery and money laundering, in pursuit of personal and commercial gain... to further their corrupt ends, the defendants and their co-conspirators provided one another with mutual aid and protection.

The eight charges Warner has been indicted on pertain to various specific alleged issues in his football executive career.

The charges include racketeering, bribery, conspiring to devise a scheme to defraud the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and obtain money/property by false/fraudulent pretences, money laundering by conspiring to transport, transmit/transfer funds from places in the US to places outside and wire fraud conspiracy and schemeing to defraud Fifa, Concacaf and the CFU.

The comprehensive document details the enterprise of Fifa, continental federations, regional federations and national associations, sports marketing companies, the defendants, co-conspirators, conspirators corruption of the enterprise and an overview of the racketeering conspiracy which allegedly occurred.

Other segments deal with scandal and resignations of Warner and another official, continued corruption of Fifa and obstruction of justice.

Another category deals with alleged criminal schemes concerning various football games in certain locations, including CFU World Cup qualifier schemes, the 2010 World Cup vote scheme and 2011 Fifa presidential election schemes. 

The document describes Warner as a T&T citizen and between approximately 1993 and 2013, a legal permanent resident of the US.

Contents mapped Warners operation in Fifa, including dealing with several of 25 co-conspirators listed in the document. Among them, for instance, the document stated that at various times, co-conspirator 14, a relative of Warner, was a businessman involved in, among things, a number of soccer-related ventures. It was alleged that Warner established and controlled in T&T and elsewhere, numerous bank accounts and corporate entities in which he mingled his personal assets and those of Concacaf, CFU and T&T Football Federation.

BUSINESSMAN KNOWN BUT NOT CRITICAL TO CASE

In the issue concerning the Trinidadian businessman, the document claimed that in/about 2004, Fifas executive committee considered bids from Morocco, South Africa and Egypt, as well as other nations that withdrew before the vote to host the 2010 World Cup. The document alleged that previously, Warner and his family had cultivated ties with South African soccer officials in connection with and subsequent to a failed bid by South Africa to host the 2006 World Cup.

It alleged that in early 2000s, co-conspirator 14, a member of Warners family, had used Warners South African contacts to organise friendly matches for Concacaf teams to play in South Africa.

It claimed at one point Warner also directed co-conspirator 14 to fly to Paris, France and accept a briefcase containing bundles of US currency in $10,000 stacks in a hotel room from co-conspirator 15 a high-ranking South Africa bid committee official.

It claimed hours after arriving in Paris, co-conspirator 14 boarded a return flight and carried the briefcase back to T&T where they provided it to Warner.

It also claimed that in the months before the selection of the host nation for the 2010 World Cup, scheduled to be done in May 2004, Warner and co-conspirator one travelled to Morocco, as they had done in 1992 in advance of the voting for the 1998 World Cup host.

While in Morocco during the 2004 trip, it alleged that a representative of the Moroccan bid committee offered to pay $1 million to Warner in exchange for his agreement to cast his secret ballot on the Fifa executive committee for Morocco to host the 2010 World Cup.Subsequently co-conspirator one learned from Warner that high Fifa officials, the South African Government and the South Africa bid committee, including co-conspirator 16, were prepared to arrange for the SA Government to pay $10 million to CFU  to support the African diaspora.

The document alleged:  Co-conspirator one understood the offer to be in exchange for the agreement of Warner, conspirator one and also 17 to all vote for South Africa rather than Morocco to host the 2010 World Cup.

Warner indicated that he had accepted the offer and to co-conspirator one that he would give a $1 million portion of the $10 million payment to co-conspirator one.

In Fifas committee vote on May 15, 2004, South Africa was selected over Morocco and Egypt to host the 2010 match.

Warner, co conspirator one and 17 indicated they voted for South Africa. In the months and years after the vote co-conspirator oner periodically asked Warner about the status of the $10 million payment.

On January 2, 2008, January 31, 2008 and March 7, 2008, a high-ranking Fifa official caused payments of $616,000, $1.6 million and $7.7 million, totalling $10 million, to be wired from a Fifa account in Switzerland to a Bank of America account in New York for credit to the accounts held in the names of CFU and Concacaf, but controlled by Warner at Republic Bank in T&T, the document alleged. Soon after receiving  these wire transfers, Warner caused a substantial portion of the funds to be diverted for his personal use.

January 9, 2008, Warner directed Republic Bank officials to apply $200,000 of the $616,000 that had been transferred into a CFU account from Fifa one week earlier towards a personal loan account held in his name.

The document alleged Warner also diverted a portion of the funds into his personal accounts by laundering the funds through intermediaries.

It added: During the period from January 16, 2008 to March 27, 2008, Warner caused approximately $1.4 million of the $10 million to be transferred to Individual one, a Trinidadian businessman whose identity is known to the grand jury and Trinidadian Company A, a large supermarket chain in T&T controlled by individual one.

Weeks later, cheques totalling approximately the same amount and drawn on an account held in the name of Trinidadian Company B, real estate and investment company also controlled by individual one, were deposited into a bank account held in the name of Warner and a family member at First Citizens Bank in T&T.

The document stated the identities of Trinidadian Company A and Trinidadian Company B are known to the (US) grand jury.

It alleged that during the three years following Warners receipt of the $10 million from Fifa, he made three payments to co-conspirator one ,totalling over $750,000 in partial payment of the $1 million that Warner had earlier promised that person as part of the bribe scheme.

The first payment, $$298,500,  made by wire transfer, went on/about December 19 2008 from an account held in the name of CFU at Republic Bank, T&T, to a Bank of America correspondent account in NY for credit to an account  controlled by co-conspirator one at a Cayman Islands bank.

The second payment, $205,000, was made by cheque drawn on an account held in the name of CFU at Republic Bank, T&T. It is alleged that on/about September 27, 2010, co-conspirator one caused the cheque to be deposited into his Merrill Lynch brokerage account in NY. Approximately one month earlier, on or about August 23, 2010, Warner sent an email to co-conspirator one to advise him that the payment was forthcoming.

The third payment, $250,000, was made by cheque drawn in CFUs name at Republic Bank, T&T. The cheque was delivered to co-conspirator one by another individual who travelled by airplane from T&T to JFK in NY and then to Concacafs head office in NY, where he delivered the cheque to co-conspirator one.

It was claimed that approximately two months earlier,  March 13, 2011, Warner sent an email to co-conspirator one to advise him that another payment was forthcoming but the document stated that co-conspirator one never received the balance of the promised $1 million payment...

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 02:06:29 AM
US: Jack facilitated bribes
By Andre Bagoo (Newsday).
Friday, May 29 2015


IN 2011, Jack Warners message to a whistle-blower was clear. There are some people here who think they are more pious than thou, he said on May 11, 2011, according to court documents unsealed this week. If youre pious, open a church, friends. Our business is our business.

Warner was speaking to meeting he called which has been tied to a 2011 FIFA presidential election scheme facilitated by him, according to the indictment filed this month in the United States Eastern District Court of New York against Warner and others.

The document states while Warner was a sitting member of the Trinidad and Tobago Cabinet he facilitated the now infamous meeting held at the plush Hyatt Regency in 2011 in the lead-up to that years FIFA presidential election.

The purpose of the $40,000 payments was to induce officials of the CFU member associations, including Official #1, to vote for co-conspirator #7 in the June 1, 2011 FIFA presidential election, the indictment states. The defendant Jack Warner participated in the scheme by organizing the CFU meeting on May 10 and May 11, 2011, and by facilitating the $40,000 payment to each of the CPU officials in attendance. The document details the events leading up to, during and after the meeting.

It states, In or about March 2011, co-conspirator #7 declared himself to be a candidate in the FIFA presidential election scheduled for June 1, 2011. At the time, co-conspirator #7 was a high-ranking official at FIFA and AFC. In accordance with the FIFA statues, the president of FIFA was elected by the FIFA congress, which was composed of representatives from each of the 200+ FIFA member associations. After he got an email, Warner agreed to organise the meeting. On or about April 28, 2011, $363,537.98 was wired to a football account controlled by Warner.

States the indictment, The CFO meeting took place on May 10 and May 11, 2011 at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Trinidad and Tobago. The meeting was attended by the presidents and other officials representing the CFO member-associations, including high-ranking officials of the Puerto Rico Football Federation and the U.S. Virgin Islands Football Federation, whose identities are known to the Grand Jury.

Then, on May 10, 2011, co-conspirator #7 addressed the member associations regarding his candidacy, stating, among other things, that he was seeking their support in the June 1, 2011, FIFA presidential election. Following co-conspirator #7s address, the defendant Jack Warner advised the CFO officials that they could pick up a gift that afternoon at a conference room in the hotel. The gift was collected by attendees.

Says the document, During the afternoon of May 10, 2011, certain CFU officials, including an official of one of the member associations of a United States territory (Official #1), went

to the appointed conference room, as directed by the defendant Jack Warner. The officials were instructed by CFU staff members in the room to enter the room one at a time. Inside the room,

CFU staff handed each official an envelope bearing the name of the member association that he represented. Inside each envelope was $40,000 in United States currency. Warner discussed the gift the following day.

The following day, May 11, 2011, the defendant Jack Warner convened a meeting of the CFU officials prior to the scheduled start time. At the meeting Warner stated that the U.S. currency the members had received was from co-conspirator #7, and that Warner had advised co-conspirator #7 to allow CFU staff to distribute the money so that it would not, even remotely appear that anybody has any obligation for your vote because of what gift you have given them.

According to the indictment, Warner was also angry that someone had contacted Concacaf offices at New York to inform them of the gift.

The indictment further states, On or about July 14, 2011, after the scheme had been uncovered the defendant Jack Warner resigned from his soccer-related positions.

The document states for the 2010 World Cup qualifiers a company called Traffic USA was to pay CFU $2.2 million for media rights. Upon Warners request, on or about June 1, 2005, Traffic

USA executives wired $40,000 from an account at Citibank in Miami, Florida to a correspondent account at Wachovia Bank, for further credit to the LOC Germany 2006 Limited account at First

Citzens Bank in Trinidad and Tobago.

Five days later, on or about June 6, 2005, Warner transferred $40,000 from the LOC Germany 2006 Limited account to another bank account held in his name.

As part of this scheme and in order to ensure that TTFF would continue to receive payments from Traffic USA related to the TTFF contracts, the defendant Jack Warner concealed the existence of the TTFF contracts from the CFU member-associations, the document states.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 29, 2015, 02:09:44 AM
Jennings tweets Blatter is a target.
T&T Newsday Reports.


Scottish investigative reporter, Andrew Jennings, revealed via his Twitter account yesterday that FIFA president Sepp Blatter is also on the watch-list even though the Swiss national pledged his complete innocence at the sports governing body annual meeting in Zurich.

Jennings, a world renowned journalist who specialises on corrupt practices at FIFA and the International Olympic Committee (IOC), tweeted at approximately 6am (TT Time) yesterday morning, I gave the FBI the crucial documents that triggered yesterdays arrests. There will be more to come. Blatter is a target.

Jennings was commenting in relation to Wednesdays indictment of 15 former and current FIFA executives, inclusive of CONCACAF president Jeffrey Webb and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, and four convicted defendants - which also comprises of Warners two sons, Daryan and Darryl Warner.

This groundbreaking revelation saw Jennings statement retweeted approximately 4200 times. Blatter, however, has put on a brave face amidst the scandal enveloping FIFA though, pleading his innocence and lauding the ongoing investigation by the United States Department of Justice and Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

I know many people hold me ultimately responsible (but) I cannot monitor everyone all the time, said a sombre Blatter yesterday.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 29, 2015, 05:16:21 AM
Jack Warner's Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/v/HadHABUK5L8

Jack Warner speaks to BBC News about FIFA corruption allegations
https://www.youtube.com/v/MSG5fi2XntM
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on May 29, 2015, 08:11:44 AM
Jack Warner make some good points, but he is still a crook.

And he does not need to take bride anymore because he already got rich from taking it a long time ago.

So de shit he talking about ask any contractor if he ever take kick backs is total shit, in this point in time Jack made his and doesn't need it anymore, so he could afford to talk the way he talking.

F00ck you Jack, and your sons to, you rape and bleed T&T dry for 30 years.

And everyone knows why USA vex and everyone knows FIFA corrupted and everyone know USA and Europe want to control everything because de rest of we third worls countries dont stick together.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Star Child on May 29, 2015, 08:23:59 AM
Jack lying with a serious face boy.

 :rotfl:

Title: Who is Jack Warner?
Post by: Tallman on May 30, 2015, 08:29:40 AM
Who is Jack Warner? Stroud diplomat reveals all about FIFA official facing corruption charges
Gloucester Citizen


When the FBI arrested former and current leading world football officials accused of fraud, a diplomat from Painswick recognised one of them straightaway - as the man who shook hands with Gordon Brown in his office.

Former British High Commissioner to Trinidad and Tobago until 2014, Arthur Snell, knew Jack Warner well - now the former senior Fifa official faces federal corruption charges in the USA over the awarding of the next two World Cups.

"Now that I live in the Stroud area, sometimes people ask me if I miss the Caribbean," said Mr Snell. "I don't at all, but I do sometimes miss the pantomime politics. Westminster is dull by comparison.

"Warner has lived a double life: to the outside world he is one of Sepp Blatter's henchmen. To Trinbagonians (the technical term for people from Trinidad & Tobago) he is their most high-profile politician, a former National Security Minister, the founder of a political party that is the local equivalent of UKIP and the man who got Trinidad & Tobago into the 2006 World Cup, the smallest country to have done so.

"Warner is popular at home: Trinbagonians love him. Yes, they say, he is allegedlly, corrupt, but he gets stuff done. And many other Trinbagonian politicians have been accused of corruption, to put it diplomatically."

Warner shook hands with then-Prime Minister Gordon Brown in Mr Snell's office in 2009 - Mr Brown wanted support for England's World Cup bid and Warner was president of CONCACAF, the football governing body for the Caribbean, North and Central America, with 41 crucial votes.

In 2011 he resigned from FIFA after a video emerged of him apparently handing out envelopes full of US dollars to CONCACAF officials.

Last week a warrant for his arrest was issued by the US Justice Department and he spent a night in jail.

"Jack Warner was somebody I dealt with regularly," said Mr Snell.

"In person, Warner is charming. He has an endearing speech impediment and a schoolmasterly manner.

"He can talk, fascinatingly, on many subjects at great length, but you'd better be tuned into his strong West Indian accent or you'll miss the lot. I remember him briefing a visiting delegation of British businesses on security issues in Trinidad. He kept saying something about "wakovah". I didn't know what he was on about and the visitors in the room were completely lost. Eventually I realised that he was talking about a "walkover" a footbridge. People should use the footbridge when crossing a major road."

FIFA endured the darkest day in its scandal-strewn history after US investigators blew the lid on "rampant, systemic, and deep-rooted" corruption.

Football's world governing body was plunged into crisis after a wave of arrests of football officials including two FIFA vice-presidents in Zurich on Thursday on bribery, fraud and money laundering charges following an FBI investigation.

The US Department of Justice indictment of 18 people said bribes totalling more than 150 million US dollars (almost 98million) had been paid for television rights, sponsorship deals and World Cup votes.

The indictments implicate South Africa in paying $10m dollars to Warner for votes to host the 2010 World Cup.

He denies all the charges.

"Myths and rumours abound concerning Warner," said Mr Snell. "What I do know is that many people in small countries feel talked down to by the likes of the USA and the UK. They don't mind Jack Warner getting rich from FIFA. They don't feel shock, or anger, or righteous indignation.

"They feel pride, because Warner showed them you can't ignore the little countries of the Caribbean when you want their votes for your World Cup bid. Which is why he was standing in my office, enjoying a warm handshake with Gordon Brown."
Title: Jack Be Nimble
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2015, 07:49:31 AM
Jack Be Nimble
By Orville Taylor (Jamaica Gleaner)


"FIFA fo fum! I smell the blood of a Trini Man." It is another epic fairy tale but it is literally going to be a Grimm brothers' story that doesn't look like it is going to have a happy ending. Like a long African river, our beloved football icon of CONCACAF, Austin 'Jack' Warner, has lived in denial about his involvement in any shady deal regarding football.

A few years ago, when anchor of football Jamaica, Captain Horace Burrell, dodged the bullet and escaped with a slap on the wrist over improper payments, Warner brushed off all aspersions. Warner was defiant, and, although no spring chicken himself, even found time to throw a jab at former prime minister and president of the Premier League Clubs Association, Edward Seaga. His dinosaur reference, though uncharitable, was all the stranger because I have known of Warner since I was in university, and he was no boy even then.

Warner seemed to have developed a reputation for untouchability, and a few labelled him the 'Teflon Don'.

Reality is now hitting him in his face like a shot from Messi or Kaka, but he has to finally face the referee and possibly give up a penalty before the fans. On Wednesday, reports surfaced that Swiss police had arrested a number of FIFA officials. Looking rather surreptitious, all were in that country and apparently at the most convenient time for their arrest and charge.

FLATFOOTED
 
As the newsrooms reeled under the information, the offices of CONCACAF in South Florida were being raided. American representatives to CONCACAF were carted away and rumours surfaced about the arrest of Warner, after his successor was named among those nabbed in Switzerland. Of course, being in Trinidad at the time, Warner rebuffed the report and said that he had walked away from football more than four years earlier and was dedicating himself fully to his political career and service to the people of his country.

Yet within hours, the don was flatfooted by revelations that his own two sons had already squealed like two pigs in a poke and delivered sealed confessions to the American authorities from as far back as 2013. If ignorance is bliss, the incredulity of Warner as he stuttered in surprise must have debunked this old adage.

Before he regained his fluency, proceedings were long begun in pursuance of an extradition request from the American government. Doubtless he was totally innocent until proven guilty, but his claim of being oblivious rings like an "I can't recall" a few years ago, when another West Indies party, sharing similar lettering, as his Independent Liberal Party (ILP), was faced with the extradition of another don.

Hours later, Warner had posted bail, as the Kamla Persad-Bissessar government seemed not to have any intention of delaying or seeking the assistance of any American law firm to thwart proceedings. Truly, man hath a short time before he faces final judgement.

Now, we know that Warner did have associates in Jamaica and those of us who like local pastry are keeping our fingers crossed that nothing untoward is going to arise from the dough we have here. Our nationalism is not simply capped in half-baked accusations and kickbacks.

Nonetheless, a question that arose in the debacle which ended with the extradition of Christopher 'Dudus' Coke, a few years ago, was, "How come America can charge and get extradition for a person who has not committed a crime on American soil?" The explanation is simple: The US Congress has passed laws that allow it to have jurisdiction outside of its borders, as long as it can be remotely shown that what it defines as a crime (whether or not defined as a crime elsewhere) has had some impact on that society.

SOBERING LESSON

Thus, Coke had been accused of shipping drugs into the United States, a crime to which he confessed. With the increase in the global movement of capital, the US has enacted more legislation to protect its financial borders, and where there is any portion of what it deems as ill-gotten gains, passing through its financial system. Hence, where kickbacks and other inducements for corruption are channelled through American banks, it triggers all of the powers under the legislation and Uncle Sam can send for whomever it considers to be perpetrators.

This is the sobering lesson for us all on this little piece of rock. It might be strange that the United States, which narcissistically plays its World Series of baseball among a number of teams from within its borders, and has its World Champions of basketball and its own version of football, has an interest in a global sport. Indeed, soccer is a growing sport in the USA but it is still a relatively minor sport there.

WELL OR POORLY TIMED?

One can only speculate why the investigation, which reportedly began years ago, has triggered arrests on the eve of the FIFA election in which Sepp Blatter is seeking another term as president - to hold on to the reins of the largest global sport body in the world. It is also well or poorly timed, depending on one's perspective, that it is leading up to the election period in Trinidad and Tobago.

Has anyone here thought that the Jamaican election is due in just over 18 months? So, in all of this furore as we focus on Warner, Blatter and others in this FIFAgate, I am wondering if any money, such as payments for the award of contracts to international bidders, clandestine campaign contributions, or any other improper monies, might have at any point found its way to or passed through the American banking system. Wouldn't it be interesting if any of the FINSAC money from the mid-1990s got mixed up with the red, white and blue?

Let the chips fall and see who is able to successfully jump over the candlestick.
Title: Karma, boy, karma
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2015, 07:53:34 AM
Karma, boy, karma
By Raffique Shah (T&T Express)


If, in what may be described as normal countries, a week in politics is a long time, in abnormal Trinidad and Tobago, a week can be likened to a lifetime. Last week, most scribes and commentators in the media engaged in heated exchanges over the latest bacchanal in the Integrity Commission.

Today, few remember what that furore was about or who the protagonists were.

The arrest, overnight jailing and legal action to have Jack Warner extradited to the US to face multiple fraud-related charges have, like a tornado, flattened and re-shaped the political landscape in a very fundamental way.

It's not that those who closely monitor politics and corruption (some might argue that that's redundancy) were taken unawares by the US Justice Department dragnet that spread from tiny T&T to shiny Switzerland last Wednesday, netting some very big fishes.

In fact, several investigative journalists-notably Mark Bassant and Lasana Liburd in Trinidad and Andrew Jennings in the UK-had all but written the script for the Mafia-style swoop that made headlines across the world.

In our case, though, Jack-in-the-box had an almost shattering impact.

Here was a man who straddled the country like a colossus, a veritable Prime Minister, albeit acting, a powerful Minister of National Security, and before that an emperor overseeing the Ministry of Works, being carted off to prison like a two-bit thief.

Until he resigned from Kamla Persad-Bissessar's Cabinet in 2013 (note well, he was not dismissed), he was seen as the most powerful person in the PP Government, some say even more powerful than the PM herself.

Never forget that on victory night in 2010, when she savoured the fist sip of power, before thanking God or the people or anyone else, Kamla thanked Jack not once or twice, but thrice.

I always wondered about that: did she thank him for conducting a campaign unparalleled in the nation's history?

Was it some obeah he performed that delivered an overwhelming victory?

Or was he pivotal to raising the tens of millions of dollars that the PP spent, money that flowed like water during that campaign and ever since?

We may never know the truth.

The Prime Minister remains estranged from it too often for us to believe her, and Warner's threats to "reveal all" remain hollow: not tonight, not any night.

What we do know as fact is that Warner's rags-to-riches story is a very curious one, and allegations of irregularities against him pre-date his entry into politics.

From as far back as 1973, when T&T's star-studded football team flogged Haiti on the field for a place in the 1974 World Cup finals, but lost the match through two officials who were later banned for life, the TTFA executive, on which Jack sat, did not file a protest.

And if that could be written off as a fluke, what of the fiasco of 1989 when, even if we had beaten the USA on the field, we risked being disqualified because of a dangerously overcrowded stadium and the vulgar over-selling of tickets for the game?

All of these misdemeanours took place before Jack and Basdeo Panday became tight as...'er, bosom buddies, and the latter plucked him from the murky fields of football and elevated him to the murkier arena of politics.

We know what followed: a safe UNC seat, riding partners on a FIFA executive jet to South Africa supposedly to have Nelson Mandela endorse the UNC (he did not), money flowing like water in a losing effort in the 2007 elections, and, as always happened with anyone who got close to Panday, estrangement, fight, cuss, break-up.

We also know the sequel, the making of Kamla, the joining of forces in 2010 that brought together my one-time comrades in labour and back-in-time brothers of the Black Power movement embracing so tightly, not even dollar notes could come between them.

There was one big, happy Fyzabad family that promised to deliver the nation from all evils-except that that never happened.

When things started falling apart, Jack still found refuge in the House of the Rising Sun ("...it's been the ruin of many a man...").

2011: US dollars being parcelled and shared like "parsad" at the Hyatt: bring me the evidence.

Soca Warriors players denied their bonuses from 2006: let the court decide.

Australia football body asking for accountability for half-a-million-dollar donation: deafening silence.

More dollars for earthquake-stricken Haiti disappear: dem reporters wicked.

But there is something called "karma", not to be mistaken for Kamla, which strangers to Hindi might find confusing.

Today, Jack is being called to account, and although the process between indictment, extradition, trial and a cell in some US jail is lengthy, it's almost ineluctable.

Strangely, I feel sorry him even though I've never met the man.

I guess it's because I know what prison is, which is why I've always counselled those who walk on the wayward side to "make jail when yuh young".

But Jack will not be the only person who, having supped with him, will pay the Devil. Others who portray themselves as pious even as they raid the Treasury, will also pay. Karma, boy, Karma.
Title: Humiliating the nation
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2015, 07:55:03 AM
Humiliating the nation
By Martin Daly (T&T Express)


Jack Warner is innocent until proven otherwise.

He is entitled to say one zillion times and more that he is not guilty. But we must be concerned.

This squalid affair, massive and international, is humiliating Trinidad and Tobago.

The allegations against Warner are overwhelming and multifarious.

They are also quite plausible, given long standing allegations of endemic corruption in FIFA. Without good cause, the US Department of Justice (DOJ) would not charge Warner and others with racketeering, money laundering and wire fraud related to bribes and kickbacks stretching back two decades.

Then there is Chuck Blazer, CONCACAF's secretary under Warner who publicly made corruption allegations against Warner, pleading guilty and agreeing to forfeit to the US government about US$1.95 million which he had received in bribes, kickbacks and unauthorised World Cup ticket sales.

Also, as reported in the Express, we have Daryan Warner, Jack's son, pleading guilty to wire fraud conspiracy, money laundering and structuring, related to scalping tickets for the 2006 and 2010 World Cups; and another son Daryll, also pleading guilty to wire fraud and structuring in relation to obtaining a mortgage for a Miami condominium.

The report says the Warner sons appear to have provided information to the investigators.

The indictment revealed that whilst involved in FIFA business, Jack sent a relative to Paris to collect "a briefcase containing bundles of US currency in $10,000 stacks in a hotel room", in relation to bidding for the 2010 World Cup. Hours after arriving in Paris, "co-conspirator #14, a member of Warner's family", boarded a return flight and carried the briefcase back to Trinidad and Tobago, "where co-conspirator #14 provided it to Warner." According to the indictment, this was all part of an alleged bribery scheme which saw US$10 million paid to Warner. Very painful questions arise. Who is "co-conspirator #14, a member of Warner's family"? Did a father encourage his sons in criminal activity? The possibility of parental misguidance and irresponsibility is alarming.

We shouldn't also forget that in the case involving then Qatar FIFA executive Mohamed bin Hamman who was accused of bribing CONCACAF officials, the international Court of Arbitration for Sport, said: "Mr Warner appears to be prone to an economy with the truth. He has made numerous statements as to events that are contradicted by other persons, and his own actions are marked by manifest and frequent inconsistency."

And very telling too was the Fifa-appointed Integrity Committee report of Sir David Simmons which alleged that Mr Warner, in his roles as president of CONCACAF and vice president of FIFA, committed fraud against the two football bodies.

In the face of all this, is it fair to Trinidad and Tobago, to have this sordid spectacle of Jack Warner, one night in jail, the next day in the nation's Parliament, trying to shift attention from himself on to the Prime Minister, absurdly claiming it is she who jailed him and that he would have revenge telling 'all' about her?

What is this, a standpipe drama or what? Are we still uncouth villagers of the colonial era? Will we never have civilised norms in this country?

The world is watching. This has been termed the biggest news story in decades. Jack Warner is internationally known, long facing allegations that, as CONCACAF president and Fifa vice-president, he was at the heart of questionable activities in football's governing body. Therefore global eyebrows were raised when he was appointed Minister of National Security, to which Keith Rowley, as Leader of the Opposition, commendably objected, and foreign governments and international observers would have been dumbfounded that Warner acted as prime minister on several occasions. We must have been seen as a most unusual people when this man, ejected from the Cabinet, formed a political party, won the by-election in Chaguanas West and was thereafter lionised by the local media who sought his view on every topic under the sun including integrity and honesty in public life on which he held forth and made headlines over and over again.

Isn't it time to stop this national humiliation? Shouldn't Jack Warner be persuaded, for the country's sake, to stand aside from local politics until his name is cleared? Shouldn't we be spared the disturbing spectacle of Warner as a candidate in the coming elections?

It would be disrespectful to the citizenry and particularly insensitive to the children and young people if this individual, internationally indicted, traverses the nation during an election campaign aspiring to become the country's Prime Minister.

But then this is Trinidad, where swampland politics spreads.

We humiliate our nation.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 31, 2015, 08:01:41 AM
From the "Jack Be Nimble" article:

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Now, we know that Warner did have associates in Jamaica and those of us who like local pastry are keeping our fingers crossed that nothing untoward is going to arise from the dough we have here. Our nationalism is not simply capped in half-baked accusations and kickbacks.

Mercy! Rather than ten points out of ten, I think this floury language is worth a Baker's dozen. Lick shot, Mr. Taylor!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2015, 08:21:04 AM
Aussies want back $2.9m
By Camini Marajh (Express).


Senator writes US AG Lynch on stolen FAA funds

The controversial US$462,200 (TT$2.93 million) payment made by the Football Federation Australia (FFA) to former CONCACAF boss (the ruling football body for North and Central America and the Caribbean) Jack Warner in the run-up to the 2010 vote on World Cup hosting rights, was done through an international money transfer service based in the United Kingdom, a source close to the US corruption investigation into organised crime in world football has said.

Significantly, the September 16, 2010 cheque issued by Travelex Global Business Payments, to a US-dollar Concacaf account at Republic Bank in Port of Spain, does not identify the FFA as the source of funds and was paid by Travelex through correspondent bank, BNY Mellon (Bank of New York) located at the corner of Wall Street and Broadway in Manhattan's Financial District.

The US source, who spoke on condition of strict anonymity, told the Sunday Express that the payment documents associated with the FFA US$462K donation for a Trinidad stadium upgrade and which ended up in Warner's pockets, failed to disclose the FFA's identity as the source of funds.

Australia has spent about US$40 million on its failed bid to host the 2022 World Cup.

The source of funds declaration submitted on the Travelex/Republic Bank transaction erroneously identifies the source of the US$462,200 payment as "sponsorship from Travelex Global Business Payments," according to the source.

The US-dollar CONCACAF bank account which was controlled by the influential Caribbean football jefe and voting member of FIFA, the world governing body for football, was also used by Warner to conduct a slew of private transactions.

The April 18, 2013 CONCACAF Integrity Committee Report which made corrupt conduct findings against Warner, including fraud and misappropriation of money, also spoke about the theft of funds from the FFA.

"On or about September 23, 2010, the FFA provided US$462,200 to Concacaf to support the upgrade of the Marvin Lee Stadium at the Centre of Excellence. These funds were provided through Australia's Football Development Programme in connection with its 2022 FIFA World Cup bid," said the report.

The Sunday Express was told, however, that the Travelex-issued cheque was deposited into the Republic Bank account # 000211059222 on September 23, 2010 although the CONCACAF report talked about an FFA cheque.

The report said this about the transaction: "The funds from the FFA were provided by cheque made out to CONCACAF and deposited into a bank account maintained at Republic Bank, Trinidad."

"The funds, however, were not accounted for in the CONCACAF general ledger or reported as income in its financial statements for 2010. Although the Committee was unable to locate records evidencing how this money was spent, bank records show that Warner commingled his personal funds in the same account to which the FFA payment was deposited," said the Sir David Simmons-led Integrity Committee investigative report which accused Warner of systemic corruption and self-dealing during his 20-year reign of CONCACAF.

Frank Lowy, chairman of the FFA, was not immediately available for comment about the method of payment used by the Australian football association or why the payment documents identify Travelex and not the FFA as the source of funds or why the FFA would ignore Australia's large swathe of rundown stadiums to help Warner out.

And although FIFA's rules disallowed bid committees or any of their associations from giving gifts to FIFA officials or trying to influence the vote in any way, several bidding nations, including Australia, provided expensive gifts to the former high-flying FIFA executive and Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West.

As reported previously by this reporter, Bonita Mersiades, former corporate affairs manager of the FFA turned whistleblower, was instructed to buy a pearl pendant for Warner's wife Maureen after the bid rules were issued by the world football governing body.

"At the time I bought them I sent a note to my boss and to Frank Lowy more or less saying that I felt very uncomfortable buying this necklace at this time as it fell outside the FIFA guidelines. I don't consider a US$2,000 gift to be incidental but the reaction to the note was to be told not to write a note like that again," said Mersiades, in a 2014 interview with the Sunday Express.

Mersiades is among the growing list of prominent nationals to call on the Australian police for a criminal investigation into the theft of FFA's US$462,200 payment to Warner. Nick Xenophon, an Independent senator, has also asked for a police probe.

Following the dramatic arrests in Zurich on Wednesday, he told the Australian media that he has written to US Attorney General Loretta Lynch requesting that the US Department of Justice investigate the FFA payment made to indicted former FIFA official Warner.

"That US$500,000 was meant for upgrading sporting facilities in Trinidad and Tobago, not for Mr Warner's personal use. Australia deserves that money back ASAP," he said.

Lynch, in detailing the US$150 million bribery and corruption scheme involving top football administrators worldwide, argued that: "Bribe money takes soccer fields and balls away from kids in developing countries who were meant to be the recipients of FIFA's marketing and TV revenue."

The Sunday Express was told that shortly after the FFA payment disguised as coming from the European money transfer service, Travelex, Warner received another US$1 million payment in the same Republic Bank account from an entity identified as OAS African Investments Ltd.

The payment was made through a BVI (British Virgin Islands) account with a PO Box address.

There was another substantial BVI deposit, this one from Park House Capital Ltd, Offshore Inc, also for US$1 million, according to the source.

Warner has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing and has blasted US authorities for what he described as malicious prosecution.

The US indictment which was unsealed on Wednesday revealed the alleged corrupt role Warner played in connection with his positions in FIFA, CONCACAF and myriad other football associations, including the Caribbean Football Union, LOC Germany 2006 Ltd and the national football federation which we reported has more than a $100 million missing in World Cup income.

And as reported in a special investigative series published in this newspaper, Warner used parallel bank accounts in the names of key football bodies to conduct cash raids of football money he controlled in a multitude of bank accounts.

The eight-count indictment against him details allegations of bribery, wire fraud and money laundering over more than two decades.

Jack comes out swinging
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


The time has come for me to stop being coy...Ill tell all

Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner is now a man with nothing to lose after spending a night at the Remand Yard prison in Port-of-Spain, on Wednesday.

Warner, in an interview with the Sunday Guardian, said his direct aim was at Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, even as his past association with football governing body, Fifa, could end up harming his own political career.

Warner has come out of his short prison stint swinging, telling the Sunday Guardian that his loyalty to Persad-Bissessar is over.

I have nothing to lose anymore, Warner said.

Warner has been the focus of widespread media reports since the US-based Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) arrested several high-ranking Fifa officials in Zurich, Switzerland, on Tuesday. Fourteen Fifa officials in total were held on corruption charges and criminal proceedings have opened relating to the award of the World Cups in 2018 to Russia and 2022 to Qatar.

Warner said the Prime Minister made deliberate attempts to embarrass him since his overnight detention, including reading out the list of charges against him into the Hansard records in Parliament on Wednesday.

That was deliberate and totally unnecessary. Not once has the Prime Minister shown any reciprocity of the respect I had accorded her and even when I went to Parliament on Friday to add my explanation to the Hansard, I saw a minister trying to tell the House Speaker to shut me up, Warner said.

The time has come for me to stop being coy, Warner said.

Since parting ways with the Government back in 2013 Warner had often threatened to reveal details of the inner workings of the Government under Persad-Bissessar, but always stopped short of actually disclosing the more salacious details he claimed to have on the Peoples Partnership.

When asked why those details were only now being ventilated, Warner said despite the almost two-year fall out with the Peoples Partnership, he still felt a sense of collective responsibility to the party.

The Prime Minister, even after I left the Government, I felt no ill-will towards her. I felt that she was surrounded by people who did not have her best interest and she was taking bad advice so she still had my loyalty and my sense of collective responsibility. Now this no longer exists, he said.

Back in 2013, Warners name was at the centre of allegations of financial mismanagement while president of Concacaf and vice-president of Fifa. He had already resigned from all football posts in 2011 amid revelations of a cash-for-votes bribery scandal involving fellow Fifa official Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam and members of the Caribbean Football Union, which Warner headed.

But while Persad-Bissessar had seemingly turned a deaf ear on previous calls for Warners dimissal, she could not ignore the Concacaf Integrity Committees detailed report in which Sir David Simmons presented findings with regards to allegations of million-dollar financial mismanagement by Warner and former Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer.

The committee met in Panama and returned with the findings that both Warner and Blazer were white-collar thieves.

Warner believes now that it is his previous hesitation that lulled Persad-Bissessar into a false sense of complacency.

But I am very prepared to tell all now. In fact I have already handed over several documents to my lawyers and other lawyers that I trust just in case anything happens to me, he said.

Warner said the reports of threats on his life were real and he had taken those precautionary steps.

Like many of his supporters, Warner is questioning the timing of the international raid and of his own arrest.

It comes at a time when both Fifa and this country is facing an election and I think it is quite clear that I have been targeted by this Government because all of a sudden they are rushing to comply with the US, he said.

They are dancing a jig for a gif, rushing to be complicit with the same US they have been fighting in other extradition matters, Warner said.

Warner scoffed at Persad-Bissessars claim that he did not contribute financially to her campaign.

I have asked my accountant to pull together the documents; the proof is there, he said.

Warner said he speaks with his two sons, Daryan and Daryl, every night and despite facing their own legal issues over this same Fifa matter, they are in good spirits, they are OK.

PM over Jack's statements: Slanderous and untrue.
By Carolyn Kissoon (Express).


"Slanderous and untrue".

That was how Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday described statements made against her by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner.

And the statements have been placed in the hands of her attorneys, she said.

Persad-Bissessar said the allegations made by Warner at a media conference and on a poiltical platform were defamatory and totally untrue.

She was speaking to reporters at the Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha (SDMS) 170th Indian Arrival Day celebrations at Parvati Girls' Hindu College in Debe yesterday.

Persad-Bissessar said, "I did get a copy of what he actually said. I have placed his slanderous statements in the hands of my lawyers, there is absolutely no truth in the words I heard him speak on a press interview and from his platform."

Persad-Bissessar said she was not threatened by Warner's statements as her hands were clean and her heart pure.

"It is in the hands of my lawyers, the statements are totally untrue and go beyond being untrue but slanderous and defamatory. This matter is not about me. The predicament he has found himself in has nothing to do with me and therefore he should concentrate his defence with respect to the matters being brought against him."

She denied ever meeting with any contractor seeking finances for the party's 2010 election campaign.

And she was adamant that Warner did not fund her campaign.

Hear an excerpt from Jack Warner's cottage meeting

"I did not meet with the contractors as he said and ask them for money. I never received any money from Jack Warner. He has now gone on to make another allegation that he was present where I met contractors and said Miss (Stacy) Roopnarine was there and then he said it was after we opened the roads. So how could we be opening a road if we were in campaign for the 2010 election. We can only open a road after the election is completed," she said.

Asked if she was concerned by Warner's threats to release videos against her, Persad-Bissessar said he was simply ranting and raving.

"I am not worried at all. If you recall every single year and even before I became Prime Minsiter the gentleman has threatened. I don't see it as threats, I see them as ranting and raving. He has always threatened about having files. He then comes and says he has no files and now he says he has more files. I am not concerned about those," she said.

Persad-Bissessar also remarked on Warner's statement that the gloves were off, claiming that he will reveal information on her.

She said, "Some people say, but I am not of that view, they agreed that the gloves are off and he may be clearing the way for the handcuffs. I don't agree with that because a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He has all of the due process of law to go forward and prove his innocence."

Persad-Bissessar said when there were allegations about corruption among FIFA executives, including Warner, there was no evidence to fire him from the People's Partnership Government.

"But when there was evidence I acted. When the allegations turned into evidence with the David Simmons report I requested and received his resignation. I think I acted in good standing with respect to that matter," she said.
Title: Jack, 800 Years After Magna Carta
Post by: Tallman on May 31, 2015, 08:43:50 AM
Jack, 800 Years After Magna Carta
T&T Express


It would have been the beginning of wisdom if, over the course of his night without freedom, Jack Warner had begun to rethink the principles on which he had built a life of riches and power.

Despite an abundance of energy, intelligence and a certain folk hero charm, it has all come down to this. The meteor that soared to the heights of local and global power might now crash and burn itself out in a US jail. Depending on the quality of the goods he has on Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her cohorts, he might still kick up enough dust to suffocate their future. But what Trinidad and Tobago needs from Jack Warner right now is not revenge on a few but the truth about all. For this reason, we need him far, far more than the US does.

As T&T's most important power broker for the last decade and a half, this descendant of Anansi knows the real truth about T&T lurking under its veneer of casual beauty. Equipped with a good supply of lubricating cash, he oiled his way up and down, and in and out of every crevice of T&T. At his mercy, he has held men and women stripped to naked greed and begging for a taste of his power, as well as men and women living on the edge, begging for what was legitimately theirs. Now, even at this stage with so many of his ambitions going up in smoke, his life could be made to mean something more if we are open to finding out the truth about ourselves in the truth from him.

Jack Warner is us, writ large. He is the quintessence of the Caribbean reality of authority without responsibility. From the bowels of that world without consequences for power, he brought us word that "yesterday was yesterday and today is today". Well, now he knows different.

He might be surprised to learn that, like us, he, too, has no real investment in this place. If he did, he would've taken care to align his means with his ends. Instead, he pursued his ends by any means necessary, careless to the impact on our fragile institutions. Now that he hopes for strong, incorruptible and courageous institutions to come to his defence, he might also know better.

Last week the world looked on in stunned confusion at the national outpouring of grief at Warner's arrest and the celebratory reception at his cottage meeting. To them, he is a common criminal who broke the law to enrich himself. To us, he is what we would have been, if only we had his chance. We see not criminality but a man beating a power system. It is the oldest story of power and the powerless which takes no account of today's reality of independence, freedom and responsibility. We are still the enslaved, cheering on as the great house burns, oblivious to the fact that the great house going up in flames is really ours.

Tomorrow, the British and British-influenced world begin the commemoration of the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta (Great Charter). Hailed as "the most important bargain in the history of the human race" by Daniel Hannan, Conservative British member of the European Parliament, the Magna Carta was signed on June, 15, 1215 by King John of England under pressure by hostile barons. For Lord Denning, it is "the greatest constitutional document of all times-the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot".

And yet, centuries later, in these old British colonies of the West Indies, "arbitrary authority" remains the order of the day for a people so imprisoned by their history of powerlessness that they are glad to settle for freeness over freedom. Five years ago, we were happy to settle for the Fyzabad Accord when what we needed was a meaningful Magna Carta of our own.

This is the powerlessness that has us relying on foreign authorities to bring our own people to account. Despite the extensive introduction of anti-corruption infrastructure, nothing has changed in the decades since the US Securities and Exchange Commission caught on to Johnny O'Halloran's brass-faced bribery deals. Neither the Integrity Commission, nor the Financial Intelligence Unit, nor the Anti-Corruption Investigation Bureau nor the many public and statutory bodies equipped with investigative authority, has managed to thrive in a political system built on arbitrary authority and dependent on the very culture of corruption that has us drowning in talk about who t'ief what and who pay whom, impotent to do a thing about it.

Faced with our failures, we're now pleading for campaign finance legislation.

While indispensable, let's not fool ourselves that this, or any other piece of law, will be enough to legislate behaviour supported by entrenched culture. Just look at how easy it was for the Prime Minister to deny getting money from Warner for her campaign.

If not from Warner, then from where did she get the money to float her luxury boat to victory in January and May 2010? She should tell us.

But the cheering gallery does not wish to know. Like Jack Warner, it wants only to win, by whatever means necessary, regardless of damage to the fabric of T&T. If we're lucky, Jack Warner could become more than the cautionary tale. He could become the truth that sets us free.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 31, 2015, 09:59:55 AM
From the Martin Daly article, "Humiliating the nation":

Quote
What is this, a standpipe drama or what? Are we still uncouth villagers of the colonial era? Will we never have civilised norms in this country?

Like Vidiadhar Surajprasad and Martin commisserated over a brandy this week? On the evidence, Naipaul will never roll in his grave.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on May 31, 2015, 02:15:07 PM

Well said T&T Express, Well said. . .
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 31, 2015, 02:18:46 PM
Danny: Yes, we paid R120m
Phalane Motale (The Sunday Independent)


Newly-elected Nelson Mandela Bay executive mayor and South African Football Association (SAFA) president Danny Jordaan has confirmed that the 2010 Local Organising Committee (LOC) paid $10 million (now about R120m) after South Africa won the bid to host the 2010 FIFA World Cup. But he has insisted this was not a bribe.

This is the first time that South Africa has confirmed to paying money to a football association then led by former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, the man at the centre of the bribery claims that have rocked the soccer governing body.

Warner is one of the officials arrested and indicted this week by the FBI in connection with alleged corruption and bribery at FIFA.

The admission follows a week of denials from local football authorities and the government, that South Africa had paid a $10m bribe to secure the hosting of the 2010 World Cup.

Jordaan, who was the 2010 LOC chief executive, said that the $10m was paid to the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) in 2008 as South Africas contribution towards their football development fund.

Warner was at the time president of CONCACAF. This week several high ranking officials were arrested in Zurich. Warner was arrested in Trinidad.

South Africa is alleged to have promised to pay Warner $10m for his support for the 2010 bid. After South Africa won the vote football officials allegedly said it was not possible to pay him out of South African government funds.

Instead the money was deducted directly from a payment FIFA made to South Africa to help finance the hosting of the tournament, thereby concealing the alleged bribe.

It is alleged that Warner, in return, paid two other FIFA executives.

Of the $100m (about R1.2 billion) which FIFA had to pay SAFA for hosting the 2010 World Cup, The Sunday Independent has reliably been informed that SAFA only received $80m.

FIFA had deducted $20m ($10m for the building of SAFA House and the other $10m was for the CONCACAF Development Fund).

Jordaan said the money was directly paid over to them by FIFA.

The Sunday Independent has discovered that no other football association under FIFA received a similar cash injection during 2008.

And the reason why the CONCACAF was chosen above any other members, including those from Africa, was that it regarded itself as part of the African diaspora, according to a SAFA official.

A damning indictment by US authorities alleged bundles of cash stuffed in a briefcase were handed over at a Paris hotel as a bribe by a high-ranking South African bid committee official. It is not clear if this $10m is the same amount that the FBI is investigating.

The name of the South African official has not been revealed.

Jordaan said the 2010 Bid Committee concluded its business with the awarding of the World Cup on May 15, 2004. I havent paid a bribe or taken a bribe from anybody in my life. We dont know who is mentioned there (in the indictment).

And I dont want to assume that I am mentioned.

They can ask all the executives of FIFA that I have engaged with, said Jordaan, adding: During my tenure as CEO at the 2010 World Cup Organising Committee, I was bound by regulations set out in the Schedule of Delegated Authority (SODA).

Under that authority, I could authorise payments of a maximum of R1 million.

Jordaan said South Africa won the 2010 World Soccer Cup bid on May 15, 2004 and the $10m was only paid by FIFA to CONCACAF in 2008.

How could we have paid a bribe for votes four years after we had won the bid?

Asked if he was aware that $10m was paid over by FIFA to CONCACAF on behalf of South Africa in 2008, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula on Saturday said: I am not going to respond to that.

If you want my response, you better go to the statement I issued earlier in the week or go back to Jordaan, who will then give you all the details you want.

It was later established that Mbalula had contacted Safa for more information regarding the payment, with the intention of issuing a statement.

No such statement had been issued at the time of going to press.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter, who has not been indicted, has long been dogged by allegations that he uses football development funds as a slush fund, distributing money to soccer officials in each of FIFAs 209 member nations in exchange for their votes during presidential elections.

Despite the allegations, he has strongly denied that he was involved in any wrongdoing, saying it was not possible to watch everybody all of the time.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on May 31, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
FIFA Official Cites Satirical Onion Article in His Self-Defense
By Robert Mackey, NY Times


Jack Warner, a former vice president of world soccers governing body, FIFA, defended himself against corruption charges on Sunday by citing an article from The Onion, apparently unaware that it was satire.

Mr. Warner, 72, who was arrested last week in connection with a wide-ranging criminal investigation by the United States Justice Department, held up the faux news report as evidence, he said, of an American conspiracy, in a video statement that was uploaded to the web and then removed later in the day.

A copy of a video statement uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by Jack Warner, a former soccer official accused of corruption.

Jack Warner, via YouTube

The satirical article, published Wednesday under the headline, FIFA Frantically Announces 2015 Summer World Cup in the United States, mockingly suggested that, to placate American officials, the governing body had added a new tournament, which would begin the very same day.

Holding up a printout of The Onion piece as if it were a genuine news report, Mr. Warner told viewers of the video posted on his personal website, Facebook page and YouTube channel, All this has stemmed from the failed U.S. bid to host the World Cup.

Mr. Warner, the leader of Trinidads Independent and Liberal Party, went on to suggest that American officials were primarily motivated by losing a bid to host the 2022 World Cup. The U.S. applied to hold the World Cup in 2022 and they lost the bid to Qatar a small country, an Arabic country, a Muslim country.

I could understand the U.S. embarrassment, Mr. Warner continued, but it is important, he added, to take your losses like a man.

He then speculated further that a second goal of the criminal investigation that has ensnared him was to force Russia to give up the World Cup, which it is hosting in 2018. Why is it, Mr. Warner asked of the American prosecutors, that they believe that they have a right to the World Cup?

As dramatic background music swelled, he went on, holding up The Onion article again, to accuse the United States of hypocrisy for accepting the right to host the (entirely fictional) Summer World Cup, 2015, from the very same organization that they are accusing of being corrupt. That has to be double standards.

In the video, Mr. Warner also said he was consoled by the fact that many of you on the blogs, on Twitter, on Facebook, on other channels, throughout were very supportive of me and still are. He assured his supporters that, At the end of the day, all of the allegations against me shall be proven to be unfounded.

You see, it is not when youre up that you know who your friends are, he said, its when you are perceived to be down.

After Mr. Warners error in mistaking The Onion for a news source was noted, and mocked, on social networks, the video disappeared without explanation from his website and social media accounts. Two hours later, it was replaced by an edited version of the video, missing 63 seconds and all references to The Onion.

ILP leader a laughing stock after using satirical 'Onion' to defend himself
By Leah Sorias (Express).


THE JOKE'S ON JACK

The peeling of onions usually results in tears and yesterday the satirical online US newspaper The Onion caused embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to stumble in his self-defence against being "everybody's whipping boy both nationally and internationally".

Warner, who appeared not to know The Onion is famed for its satire, sought to use in his defence an article which appeared in that newspaper. He did so in an eight-minute video posted on his online television station, Jack TV, in which he insisted the US has "double standards".

The Onion article, which appeared on the website on Wednesday, poked fun at FIFA, saying that in an attempt to appease US officials following the arrest of football executives on Wednesday, it chose the US to host the 2015 Summer World Cup.

Warner believed the article to be true and stated: "If FIFA was so bad why is it that USA want to keep the FIFA World Cup? Why is it that they began games on May 27, two days before the FIFA election?"

Warner's mistake was picked up by the international media, including the New York Times, ABC Online, The Toronto Sun and CBS News.

He also was the laughing stock of many on social media sites yesterday. Just after 2 p.m., the video was removed from Jack TV and Warner's Facebook page.

It was reposted hours later, minus the reference to the Onion article.

Attempts to reach Warner last night proved futile.

In Warner's video, he insisted his indictment on Wednesday was all part of a US conspiracy stemming from that country's failure to win the bid to host the 2022 World Cup.

"The US had tried to host the World Cup in 2022 and they lost the bid to Qatar, a small country, an Arabic country, a Muslim country.

"I would understand the US embarrassment that a small country as Qatar, with less than 30,000 people as residents, could have been able to overcome them this way," Warner said.

"I could understand their pain, but nothing gives them the right to do what they're doing. I said before, I say again that no one country has any divine right to host a World Cup, and if the FIFA authorities in their wisdom or lack of it chose to select Qatar for the World Cup then so be it," he stated, adding the US should count its losses "like a man" and move on.

But as he sought to provide evidence that the US has "double standards", Warner whipped out a copy of a fake article posted on satirical website The Onion.

Aussies want back $$

In the video, Warner also insisted there were no strings attached to Football Federation Australia's (FFA) payment of US$462,200 (TT$2.93 million) to CONCACAF to fix the Marvin Lee Stadium.

Warner explained Australia "promised to assist" CONCACAF in developing and fixing the Centre of Excellence and he agreed to it. "There were no strings attached to that and I said fine, go ahead, and they helped to fix the Centre of Excellence, and I said fine," he noted.

His response came amid reports the Australian Federal Police (AFP) have agreed to probe the payment following a request by former Australian football executive-turned-whistleblower Bonita Mersiades.

South Australian senator Nick Xenophon also called on Australia's national football governing body, FFA, to formally report the payment to US authorities.

The FFA has claimed the 2010 payment was intended for upgrade of Stadium at the Centre of Excellence and has repeatedly denied wrongdoing. It has insisted its bid was clean.

An investigation by CONCACAF, the regional governing body for football in North and Central America and the Caribbean, later stated it had been misappropriated by Warner in 2013.

Warner was one of 14 people indicted by US authorities on Wednesday for racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering.

He is currently on $2.5 million bail after being arrested and charged locally.

'Thanks to supporters'

Meanwhile, Warner described as pathetic criticism he has changed the culture of FIFA, saying nothing he has done has been inconsistent with the international culture of the world football governing body.

"How do you judge, for example, that after all these accusations that the president of FIFA Sepp Blatter has been re-elected for the fifth consecutive term?

"If I was so bad and if FIFA is so bad, how come the head of FIFA is not?"

He noted the past week had been "the most trying one" for him, and thanked his supporters and family for standing by him.

"It is not when you're up you know who your friends are, it's when you are perceived to be down and some of the persons who I thought were my friends, today I realise I was a dreamer. They were not. And those persons who I thought were just casual friends, they emerged to the stalwarts.

"Who sent their deeds and who sent cheques so as to be able to stand my bail because they realised that all the properties I had, none of them could have been any use since they all had my names on then and therefore I can't stand my own bail, so to speak. So all of you who came out with deeds and properties and even your blank cheques, I want to say thanks to you."

Warner added the events of the last few days have brought his family closer.


https://www.youtube.com/v/1rhLFDF516Q


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 31, 2015, 05:37:02 PM
FIFA Official Cites Satirical Onion Article in His Self-Defense

Jack, the gift that keeps on giving....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on May 31, 2015, 10:10:35 PM
Lawd-  all this man have to do is stay quiet and collect sympathy votes but the moment he goes Public
to claim innocence... hush nah  doh say no more - people want to see this man play "hang Jack"  by himself?

Doh pelt bluff nah if yuh have some tunami unleash it- deflect the crap from you- now is the time to bring all Tom dick Harry and kathleen to dey two knees if yuh have video tape play it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0Br7MYiOs
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on June 01, 2015, 03:10:23 AM
Jackarse, how you want to be Prime Minister and you don't know the population of Qatar?

Mouth open, story jump out. You are guilty until proven innocent, in my book.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2015, 04:28:19 AM
FIFA Official Cites Satirical Onion Article in His Self-Defense
By Robert Mackey, NY Times


Jack Warner, a former vice president of world soccers governing body, FIFA, defended himself against corruption charges on Sunday by citing an article from The Onion, apparently unaware that it was satire.

Mr. Warner, 72, who was arrested last week in connection with a wide-ranging criminal investigation by the United States Justice Department, held up the faux news report as evidence, he said, of an American conspiracy, in a video statement that was uploaded to the web and then removed later in the day.

A copy of a video statement uploaded to YouTube on Sunday by Jack Warner, a former soccer official accused of corruption.

Jack Warner, via YouTube

The satirical article, published Wednesday under the headline, FIFA Frantically Announces 2015 Summer World Cup in the United States, mockingly suggested that, to placate American officials, the governing body had added a new tournament, which would begin the very same day.

Holding up a printout of The Onion piece as if it were a genuine news report, Mr. Warner told viewers of the video posted on his personal website, Facebook page and YouTube channel, All this has stemmed from the failed U.S. bid to host the World Cup.

Mr. Warner, the leader of Trinidads Independent and Liberal Party, went on to suggest that American officials were primarily motivated by losing a bid to host the 2022 World Cup. The U.S. applied to hold the World Cup in 2022 and they lost the bid to Qatar a small country, an Arabic country, a Muslim country.

I could understand the U.S. embarrassment, Mr. Warner continued, but it is important, he added, to take your losses like a man.

He then speculated further that a second goal of the criminal investigation that has ensnared him was to force Russia to give up the World Cup, which it is hosting in 2018. Why is it, Mr. Warner asked of the American prosecutors, that they believe that they have a right to the World Cup?

As dramatic background music swelled, he went on, holding up The Onion article again, to accuse the United States of hypocrisy for accepting the right to host the (entirely fictional) Summer World Cup, 2015, from the very same organization that they are accusing of being corrupt. That has to be double standards.

In the video, Mr. Warner also said he was consoled by the fact that many of you on the blogs, on Twitter, on Facebook, on other channels, throughout were very supportive of me and still are. He assured his supporters that, At the end of the day, all of the allegations against me shall be proven to be unfounded.

You see, it is not when youre up that you know who your friends are, he said, its when you are perceived to be down.

After Mr. Warners error in mistaking The Onion for a news source was noted, and mocked, on social networks, the video disappeared without explanation from his website and social media accounts. Two hours later, it was replaced by an edited version of the video, missing 63 seconds and all references to The Onion.


https://www.youtube.com/v/1rhLFDF516Q






I think Jack referred to that article (whether it is a satirical or not) to add to his points that the USA is desperate to host a FIFA World Cup and is not too happy that they did not win their bid to host it in 2022 which everyone knows is true.
The premise of Jacks argument is not based on that article and Jack referring to that satirical article was simply meant to add to the points he already made.

I am not a defender of Jack Warner but he made some valid points in that video. His only error was referring to that particular satirical article to add to his points.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on June 01, 2015, 06:43:22 AM
Lol. You can't be serious.

Do you know what credibility means... Lol
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2015, 07:30:40 AM
Lol. You can't be serious.

Do you know what credibility means... Lol

Read what I posted again and tell me what I said that is inaccurate. Thank you.

I think Jack referred to that article (whether it is a satirical or not) to add to his points that the USA is desperate to host a FIFA World Cup and is not too happy that they did not win their bid to host it in 2022 which everyone knows is true.
The premise of Jacks argument is not based on that article and Jack referring to that satirical article was simply meant to add to the points he already made.

I am not a defender of Jack Warner but he made some valid points in that video. His only error was referring to that particular satirical article to add to his points.
Title: Turning a blind eye
Post by: Socapro on June 01, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
Turning a blind eye (http://www.ttoc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4833:turning-a-blind-eye-&catid=2:latest-news&Itemid=233&utm_content=bufferca155&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Monday, 01 June 2015 08:33 (TTOC.org)

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Jack Warner ILP Leader

ON MAY 27th an early-dawn raid at a posh Swiss hotel brought nine bigwigs from FIFA, footballs international governing body, into custody for allegations of corruption. After years when the games leaders managed to avoid any consequences for their unsavoury mismanagement, fans around the world cheered the round-up as a first step towards cleaning up the sport. But the American indictment that put these seemingly untouchable fat cats in the dock had nothing to do with FIFAs best-known dirty laundry, such as the awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar. Instead, it focused entirely on wrongdoing by officials in the Americas, and in particular on CONCACAF, one of the relative weaklings among FIFAs six constituent continental federations, which includes North and Central America and the Caribbean. The two biggest fish, Jeffrey Webb and Austin Jack Warner (pictured)the current CONCACAF president and his predecessorhail from two of the smallest countries in the world, the Cayman Islands and Trinidad and Tobago.

Given CONCACAFs relatively modest stature, the American prosecutors focus on the federation is striking. They say that further investigations are still underway, and it would be no surprise if they subsequently reveal additional targetsthough any FIFA officials with skeletons in their closets who escaped the first round of arrests will now presumably take extra care to review extradition agreements before they travel. If the dragnet does not wind up extending beyond this group, the simplest explanation would be that the Justice Department took the greatest interest in its local federation. (There is one American among the defendants, Charles Chuck Blazer, who has already pleaded guilty.) Another potential reason is that illicit money flows from the region Americans once condescendingly called their backyard are more likely to pass through the United States financial systemone of the grounds on which the Justice Department claimed jurisdictionthan are similar payments originating from Europe, Asia or Africa. The third theory is that the lords of Caribbean football simply happened to be sloppier in covering up their tracks than their counterparts abroad.

Football is a relative newcomer to the Caribbean sporting scene. Historically, its Anglophone islands have focused on cricketthe Windies team dominated much of the 1980swhile the Spanish-speaking countries, such as Cuba and the Dominican Republic, preferred baseball. But in recent years the worlds favourite game has made significant inroads. That owes largely to globalisation, as the colonial past of the British Commonwealth islands fades further into the rearview mirror. But CONCACAF itself has also played an important role.

The federation is an ungainly beast, consisting of two giants (the United States and Mexico) alongside Canada, a dozen smallish countries and 26 tiny Caribbean nations with populations of less than a million. Its smallest member, the British overseas territory of Montserrat, has just 5,000 people and a bad-tempered volcano. Just as in the UN General Assembly, each country gets one vote regardless of its size. As a result, the Caribbean bloc has banded together to out-vote its larger neighbours and secure a comfortably outsize share of the federations budget.

For over two decades, Mr Warner was both the architect and the operations manager of this redistributive scheme, to the benefit of both Caribbean footballing nations and, apparently, himself. By controlling so many votes in both CONCACAF and FIFA, he made himself a power broker with the ability to bestow or withhold the organisations funds largely as he saw fit. That in turn enabled him to prop up small-island officials when they faced grass-roots rebellions, ensuring their loyalty. Thanks to his ability to direct the largesse in his native Trinidad and Tobago and the prominent public role his perch offered, he also became involved in politics: he once chaired the United National Congress, the current ruling party, and served as minister of works and transport after being elected to Parliament in 2010 by a landslide.

Mr Warner hit his first speed bump in May 2011, following a Caribbean football meeting in Trinidad ahead of FIFAs presidential election that was organised to support the challenger, Mohammed bin Hamman of Qatar. Envelopes each containing $40,000 in banknotes were distributed at the event; a Bahamian delegate photographed the money, and complained of the insult to the Caribbean. Mr Warner promptly resigned from his football-related posts, which forestalled a FIFA inquiry into his actions; 32 others either also resigned or were warned, reprimanded, fined or banned for varying periods. An investigation by the Trinidadian police went nowhere.

Mr Warners exit from football had little effect on his political fortunes at first. He was named Trinidad and Tobagos minister of national security well after the envelopes scandal brokethough he later had to resign following a CONCACAF enquiry into the ownership of a sports complex, which found that using a balance of probabilities standard, he had committed fraud and misappropriated funds. Nonetheless, he quickly bounced back by resigning from Parliament, forming a new party, and winning his seat back in the subsequent by-election, this time with 69% of the vote.

It remains an open question whether even the American indictment can ensnare him. He did spend the night of May 27th in Port of Spains forbidding Frederick Street prison because his bail, though agreed to, was not yet paid. But he forcefully maintains his innocence, and can fight his extradition all the way to the Privy Council in London, which remains Trinidad and Tobagos final court of appeal. Two local business figures, Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh, have successfully resisted extradition to America since 2005; they have spent a lot of money on lawyers, but remain free.

Trinidad and Tobagos parliament will dissolve next month, with a general election expected in September. At the very least Mr Warner is likely to lose his seat. But he still has supporters who see him as the man who made the small islands a powerful force in world football, and who spruced up the neighbourhood sports ground. If the money to do that was bilked from foreigners, all the better. In this view, Americas indictments are simply a politically motivated plot, perhaps to confound Russias 2018 World Cup, or avenge the failed American bid to play host in 2022. The Caribbean public is well accustomed to patronage networks. Given the regions demonstrated apathy towards corruption and incompetence in general, fans are highly unlikely to return their affections to cricket in protest against a bit of palm-greasing.
Title: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Post by: Tallman on June 01, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/qr6ar3xJL_Q?start=213
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 01, 2015, 04:40:54 PM
But he still has supporters who see him as the man who made the small islands a powerful force in world football,

He used the small island to make himself a power broker in FIFA. We the football public got zero.
Title: Jack Warner - Trinidads 'Robin Hood' - Will never accept the blame
Post by: Tallman on June 01, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
Jack Warner - Trinidads 'Robin Hood' - Will never accept the blame
By Joshua Surtees (vice.com)


When I first arrived in Port-of-Spain in June 2013 to work as a reporter at the Trinidad Guardian, the buzz in the air was about a new political party, the ILP (Independent Liberal Party) and its founder, the former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

Two years had passed since the Guardian had reported FIFA committee member Chuck Blazer's accusations that Mohammed bin Hammam had bribed CONCACAF members, and the Telegraph had obtained a secret film of Warner handing out brown envelopes stuffed with Hammam's bribe cash to the 25 representatives of the Caribbean Football Union.

Warner had just been asked by Trinidad's prime minister to resign his cabinet position as Minister of National Security and MP for Chaguanas West; Warner said he took home just $1 a month for this job and gave the rest to charity. He didn't need the money. In fact, rumours were that he had privately funded the government's election campaign.

Without any sense of disgrace, he instantly formed his own party, brought on board senior figures from the political establishment and adopted the colour green, in contrast to the red of the PNM and yellow of the UNC, Trinidad's long-standing bitter parliamentary rivals.

Warner almost immediately turned on his former colleagues in government, calling names, accusing people of corruption and of having accepted bribes and gifts. He did the same of reporters who had been trailing his activities; he did the same of former FIFA colleagues.

He set up his own newspaper, Sunshine, to broadcast his counter-accusations. Like a naughty boy caught in the playground stealing sweets, he was telling tales, snitching, ratting out his pals. In essence, Warner was telling Trinidad and the world: 'everybody else is doing it, so why can't I?'

Last Friday (29 May) Warner left the prison in uptown Port-of-Spain rammed with gunmen, bandits and drug runners where he had spent the night before posting 250,000 bail. He quickly called a meeting of the ILP and recorded a video he later posted on social media saying he had "served this country fearlessly and faithfully," that during his time in FIFA he had conducted himself "consistently with all of the international sport's practices" and that at no point in time had he done anything "contrary to Trinidad and Tobago."

"The actions of FIFA no longer concern me," he said in a statement just before his arrest.

"The people of Trinidad and Tobago will know that I quit FIFA and international football more than four years ago," Warner said, still claiming his innocence despite the FBI's amassed evidence. "I have fought fearlessly against all forms of injustice and corruption. I have been afforded no due process and I have not even been questioned in this matter. I reiterate that I am innocent of any charges. I have walked away from the politics of world football to immerse myself in the improvement of lives in this country where I shall, God willing, die."

He blamed his indictment for multiple fraud, racketeering and money laundering charges on politicking around the Trinidad general elections that take place this year, and on Israel for trying to delay a vote on a Palestinian FA motion to expel them from FIFA.

In his short video, Warner congratulated himself for "single-handedly" taking Trinidad and Tobago to the World Cup in 2006 as the smallest nation ever to compete in the tournament (its population is just 1.3 million).

He forgot to mention the revolt amongst the playing staff who Warner had neglected to compensate for their historic achievement. The players only received their agreed fee for their World Cup appearances eight years later in 2014 after an interminable legal struggle against the government. When the players won their battle, Warner claimed they did not deserve the payments as they "never scored a goal nor won a match [at Germany 2006.]"

The team's goalkeeper Shaka Hislop responded to Warner's "single-handed" claims by tweeting, "arrogance and dishonesty are an ugly mix."

Another of those unpaid players was Brent Sancho. The defender had his dreadlocks pulled by Peter Crouch in the 83rd minute of a Group B game in Nuremburg, allowing Crouch to head home England's opening goal; Sancho is now Minister of Sport in Trinidad.

Last week, Sancho told Trinidad's Newsday, "The only real surprise is that it has taken so long [to indict Warner]. There was the Bin Hammam situation right here in Trinidad. He's not untouchable, but it is unprecedented. FIFA has been a law unto themselves for quite a while."

Sancho said the Warner arrest signals a turning point for Caribbean football.

"It's a historic day in terms of how people will conduct business. We, at home, and the TTFA [Trinidad and Tobago Football Association] need to be cognisant of this. I'm not saying they have done anything illegal but we must be aware that accountability is a must. People must remember how powerful CONCACAF is in terms of voting because of the number of countries we have. It has a lot to say in terms of everything going on at FIFA and what is playing out right now."

With all respect to Sancho, his appointment is the equivalent of making Tony Adams a cabinet minister, but the Trinidad government had run out of options after the previous incumbent sports minister had been caught smoking weed in a hotel room and forced to quit parliament for you guessed it corruption.

Corruption is a part of life in Trinidad, a country that struck oil decades ago and is still being fleeced by individuals in positions of power today. The culture is to grab the money and run while you can. Nobody will stop you for the right price they will gladly look the other way.

As for the Sancho-Crouch hair-pull, you might consider it a microcosm of sporting power relationships. Maradona fists a ball into the England net in Mexico City at the 1986 World Cup and we harbour a sense of injustice for thirty years; Crouch yanks back a defender's hair and not an eyelid is batted by England fans, officials, players or pundits. The minnows were simply eaten by the shark. Who was going to stand up and shout for them?

Warner, that's who. Many Trinidadians consider him a hero for what he has done for the country and the region's football. At the ILP meeting on the day of his release, he received a hero's welcome.

On social media, Warner was showered with well wishes from hundreds of supporters still loyal to the self-styled "young black boy" from Rio Claro in the south of Trinidad, who went from being a teacher to the head of the Caribbean Football Union in 1983.

"Nothing can keep u down old boy god's blessing," commented one supporter on the Trinidad Guardian's Facebook page underneath Warner's defiant video message. "I am on your side, may god bless you."

"Sad day but you got lots of fans who are thinking positive no matter what," said another. "All the best bro, in anything that we do, we try our best not to get caught."

In 2013, after Warner's victory in the by-election in Chaguanas West, where he pays for local community centres and roads with his own money, I saw the zealous devotion with my own eyes. There are many in his heartland who would still vote for him to be prime minister of the country. As recently as yesterday (Sunday 31 May) the Trinidad Guardian published a poll from a marginal constituency in which more people said they would elect Warner as PM than the incumbent, Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

In her column on Sunday, Trinidad Express writer Sunity Maharaj described: "The national outpouring of grief at Warner's arrest and the celebratory reception at his cottage meeting. To [the rest of the world], he is a common criminal who broke the law to enrich himself. To us, he is what we would have been, if only we had his chance. We see not criminality but a man beating a power system. It is the oldest story of power and the powerless which takes no account of today's reality of independence, freedom and responsibility. We are still the enslaved, cheering on as the great house burns, oblivious to the fact that the great house going up in flames is really ours.

To many in his homeland, Warner is a Robin Hood figure taking from the rich and giving to the poor. In 1998 he secured a football centre of excellence for the country (the only one in the region). Costing $16m, it was christened the Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence after the FIFA president who gifted it. It later emerged that Warner himself was the owner of the centre and the ground, not CONCACAF.

Lasana Liburd, an investigative journalist and football writer from Trinidad who has written for UK newspapers including the Guardian, discovered that Warner had fiddled the football authorities and arranged the transfer of the centre's ownership into his own companies, CCAM and Company, and Renraw Investments, of which Warner and his wife Maureen are directors.

In 2007, Warner took out an $11m mortgage borrowed against the value of the Centre of Excellence with Lisle Austin, then president of Barbados FA and vice-president of CONCACAF. In the interim period, Warner had been claiming FIFA expenses for maintenance of the building.

In essence, Warner stole from his country and, according to Guyanese newspaper Stabroek News, he hid the stolen asset "in broad daylight."

Liburd told VICE Sports: "I think this is a bittersweet moment for us in Trinidad and Tobago. And I am not referring to regret of Jack Warner's continuing fall from grace or even the embarrassment of his misdeeds. I am mostly disappointed that Trinidad and Tobago never took decisive action against Warner ourselves. It is embarrassing that it took FIFA, then a CONCACAF Integrity Report and now a U.S Department of Justice investigation to make Warner account for the hundreds of millions that passed through his hands."

Liburd disagrees with Sancho's assessment of a positive outcome.

"Will this be a watershed moment for Caribbean football? I don't think so," he said. "There is no reform taking place or a eureka moment where the football fraternity woke up to the horrific effects of corruption. This is just a U.S investigation into a crooked citizen, Chuck Blazer, which spawned into something that has rocked CONCACAF. It is a massive, hard-hitting exercise but almost certainly a one-off. The FBI will not police CONCACAF or FIFA and I don't think we have learned our lessons yet."

He gives Warner his credit as a pioneer of T&T football, but claims the abuse of power outweighs any good that he did.

"Jack Warner is the most influential Caribbean sport official of all-time. He might have used that influence to help develop the region's football teams and lift the standards of our competitions and tournaments. The Caribbean has always been a reservoir for talent and you can look at the ancestry of so many players in the Premier League to prove my point, from John Barnes and Shaun Goater to Dwight Yorke, Shaka Hislop, Rio Ferdinand and Raheem Sterling. Instead, he allegedly abused that power to amass a personal fortune and, despite the hundreds of millions of dollars that flowed through his hands, Warner left the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) so cash strapped that it could not even hold an AGM."

Liburd concluded, "Warner was a cancer to Caribbean football and, in three decades, he has fashioned an army of officials in his image and likeness. It will take some time and no little effort before we can get our football moving in the right direction again."

As for Warner's possible punishment, it could be a long way off. Despite Trinidad's Attorney General allowing the FBI's arrest warrant to be executed, Warner is already a free man again, having left prison under cover of an ambulance after just one night in jail. And he shows no signs of fear. He knows that in lawless Trinidad with its legal loopholes his extradition to the U.S is by no means a certainty.

Mark Wilson, the Economist's Caribbean correspondent says, "It remains an open question whether even the American indictment can ensnare him. He forcefully maintains his innocence, and can fight his extradition all the way to the Privy Council in London, which remains Trinidad and Tobago's final court of appeal. Two local business figures, Steve Ferguson and Ishwar Galbaransingh, have successfully resisted extradition to America since 2005; they have spent a lot of money on lawyers, but remain free."

Warner, like Sepp Blatter, at times gives the impression of being indestructible. He claimed Blatter knew about the Bin Hamman cash that Warner handed out to his colleagues at the Hyatt Regency hotel in downtown Port-of-Spain. With Blatter re-elected in the top job in world football, it seems the corrupt activities of other are unlikely to bring about his downfall, even if it has tarnished his reputation.

It may well be that Blatter's fate lies in the hands of Warner himself. For now, Warner is defending Blatter.

"As black as you all have painted Blatter, he's still the FIFA President for another four years," Warner told reporters outside Parliament after making bail. "What are you going to say for the next four years? He's a crook? He's a thief? He's this and that? The voice of the people spoke today in Zurich."

But how long he's willing to keep up the charade is debatable. Never shy of playing the snitch, Warner has proven in the past he will say anything to avoid taking the blame himself.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Richard G. on June 02, 2015, 09:04:34 AM
I guess this runs deeper...much deeper....

http://thewire.in/2015/05/31/make-no-mistake-the-fifa-war-is-not-about-football-or-corruption/ (http://thewire.in/2015/05/31/make-no-mistake-the-fifa-war-is-not-about-football-or-corruption/)

Make No Mistake, the FIFA War is Not About Football or Corruption

BY SHOBHAN SAXENA ON 31/05/2015

The FBIs move against seven FIFA officials on charges of corruption is seen by most countries as a desperate Western effort to isolate Russia and re-open the bids for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

From Brazil to Russia: symbolic hand-over at the Maracana, Rio de Janeiro, 13 July 2014. Sepp Blatter, president of FIFA, stands between Russian president Vladimir Putin and Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff in this grab from the official FIFA video of the event. Russia will host the 2018 Fifa World Cup.
From Brazil to Russia: symbolic hand-over at the Maracana, Rio de Janeiro, 13 July 2014. Sepp Blatter, president of FIFA, stands between Russian president Vladimir Putin and Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff in this grab from the official FIFA video of the event. Russia will host the 2018 Fifa World Cup.
Rio de Janeiro: Forget the analogies about football being more important than life and religion. The Beautiful Game has always been all about politics among nations on and off the pitch. And now, its reaching Cold War levels.

On Friday, as soon as Sepp Blatter was elected president of the international football federation (FIFA) for another term, he was surrounded by African delegates, who shook his hands, hugged and kissed him. Then came the Asians followed by Latin Americans. Earlier, when Blatter delivered his victory speech a breathless jumble of platitudes delegates from Africa, Asia and Latin America, Russia and Oceania gave him a standing ovation. For a man who had been declared dead by the Western media just 24 hours ago, it was an incredible resurrection.

At FIFAs convention hall in Zurich, as Blatter was being feted by the big bosses of regional and national federations, his challenger Prince Ali bin al-Hussein of Jordan sat in the front row with a long face. Giving him company in sorrow was Michel Platini, the former French footballer and president of the European football federation (UEFA). After the Jordanian conceded defeat, Platini look shattered, trying to figure out what went wrong. A day earlier, the Frenchman had hailed Prince Ali as the great hope for football and an antidote to corruption because he is a prince and he doesnt need the money. But few delegates, except UEFA members and their American partners, bought Platinis theory.

This was FIFAs bloodiest election ever. With the 209 members of the football body divided into two camps Europe (minus Russia and Spain) and North America versus the rest of the world it was clear that a winner would emerge only after some serious bloodletting. But just two days before the Blatter-Prince Ali face-off, the United States weighed in with full force as the Federal Bureau of Investigation arrested seven high-ranking FIFA representatives on corruption charges following a raid on their Zurich hotel. Soon after the officials all from Central and South America were taken into custody, US attorney-general Loretta Lynch called them criminals and demanded that the World Cup allotted to Russia (2018) and Qatar (2022) be cancelled.

But a day is a long time in football politics. Twenty-four hours after Lynchs barbs against FIFA and Blatter, the Swiss football administrator was back in control. On Saturday morning, he blasted the US for targeting footballs world body and slammed Europes football bosses for a hate campaign.

Corruption is real, so is geopolitics

Its an open secret that there is rampant corruption in football at all levels. Its no state secret that FIFA is run like the most private of private clubs with little public accountability. Though all football federations and officials had been aware of the American investigation into allegations of bribery, going back to 1991, nobody expected early morning raids and arrests. The raids were strategically timed, but if the purpose of the arrests was to make Blatters backers fall in line, it backfired. It happened like an intelligence operation. Our phones were tapped. The police came to the hotel and picked these officials up as if they were being kidnapped, says a Brazilian football federation (CBF) official, speaking on condition of anonymity. Why arrest them just 24 hours before the election? They were not running away. Why did the cops come with three American journalists in tow? FIFA is based in Switzerland. All its official business is done in Switzerland. How come the Americans suddenly jumped into it even as a Swiss probe in going on? he asked.

As soon as news of the arrests spread among the delegates at the Zurich hotel, officials of various federations went into emergency meetings. The Europeans did not have the courage to arrest anyone. So they called the Americans to force everyone to vote for Prince Ali. It was clear to us that they wanted to get rid of Blatter and put their stooge in his place, says the Brazilian who was in Zurich, when the drama unfolded. As things turned very ugly, even those of us who had doubts about Blatters leadership decided to vote for him?

Blatter, even in his own words, is not perfect. Far from it. A smooth operator and great survivor, he has friends and enemies in equal numbers. But why has this Swiss man suddenly become a villain for Europe and the US? Has Blatter damaged the Beautiful Game more than his predecessors, who too had to bow out in disgrace, in his 17 years at the helm? Why are the Americans so interested in cleaning up a game that has been managed mostly by Europeans so far?


Blatters main crime may not be corruption. It could be his reluctance to play geopolitical games as demanded by Europeans and Americans that has suddenly made him a villain. Blatters problems with the US began in 2005 when he declined the then US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rices demand for Iran be thrown out of the 2006 World Cup as part of sanctions against the Asian country. Things became worse when the Palestinians were allowed to join the global football association. While Blatter has been trying to make football bigger and better by taking it to all parts of the world, the Europeans have been worried about losing control. For Americans, the game is an instrument of their politics and Blatter became a hurdle in it, says the Brazilian official.

With 209 members, FIFA is bigger than the International Olympic Committee as well as the United Nations. But it has been dominated by Europeans for most of its history. Under Blatter, things changed dramatically as he took the World Cup to new regions, especially to emerging countries. The past two editions of the World Cup have been played in South Africa and Brazil. The next one is in Russia. All three are BRICS countries. Its obvious that the west is not very happy with this. All this talk about corruption is an attempt by Europe and America to bring the game back into their sphere of influence, says Thiago Cassis, a reputed Brazilian football writer. There is a lot of corruption in European football too. They do not talk about it. This whole game is not about tackling corruption, but regaining control.

In the good old days of European domination, nobody could have imagined that the World Cup would one day go to Africa, as it did in 2010, or that three emerging countries would host the mega-event back-to-back. Now with China eyeing the 2026 tournament, which the US also wants to host, there is panic in the West as the emerging countries, with their growing economies and huge TV audiences, threaten to take the game away from them. Even India, which has been given the Under-17 World Cup in 2017, may make a bid for a future World Cup.

Enter the FBI

This change has happened because of Blatters efforts at making football a truly global sport. Under him, FIFA has invested millions of dollars in infrastructure and projects in Africa and Asia. Despite the western media dubbing this as Blatters way of buying influence and indulging in corruption, the delegates from these regions stood by him on Friday. They have seen some real change in their part of the world. Blatter himself has always been a strong supporter of the African and Asian countries in football. Hes basically broken with the duopoly that Europe and Latin America traditionally had in the sport. He has made it more global and he has brought in people from these two vast regions, and they are grateful to him, and they support him, Alexander Mercouris, international affairs editor for Russia Insider magazine, said in an interview just after the FIFA vote.

On Thursday, as the western media was providing running commentary on the storm in FIFA and baying for Blatters blood, 47 members of the Asian Football Confederation and the 54-member African Football Confederation declared their support for him. The South and Central American federations, some of whose members were not so sure about their support to Blatter, also decided to back him after the hotel raid. Why did they arrest officials only from our federations and that too in Switzerland? Why didnt they approach our governments through Interpol? Is it because they knew that extradition from South America to US is impossible? asks a CBF official.

There was also anger about reports in the western media about the CBF chief Marco Polo Del Nero fleeing Zurich for Brazil as he feared arrest. In fact, when papers like the Guardian and New York Times were reporting Del Neros escape from the FIFA meeting, the Brazilian official was still in Switzerland. They brought all this pressure on us to force us to vote for Prince Ali. They have been lobbying with us for months. When they didnt see it working, they conducted the raid followed by veiled threats to others that they could be arrested too. Some British and American journalists were part of this pressure tactic, the Brazilian official alleged.

From the versions of the Zurich raid given by some South American officials, it appears that the FBI, Swiss police and a few western reporters hunted them together. As the Asian and African vote was solidly behind Blatter, they wanted the votes from the Americas for Prince Ali. They were desperate to make the prince the new chief of FIFA as he could re-open the bids for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments, says a Paraguayan official who was in Zurich on the day of the drama. Since the UK and the US lost the 2018 and 2022 bids respectively, they have been working to somehow cancel the World Cups in Russia and Qatar. They havent accepted the fact that they lost the bids in a fair contest.

It is difficult to say if there was no corruption in these bids or that none of the arrested officials were involved in bribery. But there is also an element of truth in the allegation that Western governments and federations have been working together to tarnish the process by which Russia and Qatar won the right to host the event.

On Thursday, soon after the news about the arrests in Zurich broke out on wires, Ryu Spaeth, a columnist for The Week magazine, in an article titled Why the next World Cup should be held in the U.S.A said that the bidding must be done again, and if it is too late, then the World Cups in 2018 and 2022 should be hosted in countries that already have the infrastructure to absorb a massive sporting event, such as the United States, which was among the countries that lost the 2022 bid to Qatar.

This was very much in line with the official US position on the World Cup in Russia. Basking in the glory of the FBIs move, Lorreta Lynch had made a similar demand on Thursday. In fact, neoconservative commentators in the US have been training their guns at Russia for quite some time. The attacks have become more intense since last years Ukrainian crisis which resulted in Crimeas accession to Russia and Ukraine turning into almost a failed state. In recent weeks, Republican hardliner John McCain repeatedly called on FIFA to oust Blatter because of his continued support for Russia. According to Neil Clark, a British journalist, Blatter has been in the American firing line because he went to Moscow not that long ago and said that there was no question of the World Cup being taken away from Russia.

Power, money and partnership

With Russia still under Western economic sanctions following the Crimean takeover, the US is keen to further squeeze Moscow and deny it a chance to showcase its soft-power to a global television audience of a billion-plus people. Besides, there is serious money at stake. The World Cup is the most lucrative sporting event in the world, eclipsing even the Olympics. The 2014 qualifying rounds and final tournament brought in $4.8bn over four years and it gave a much-needed boost to small businesses and tourism in Brazil, besides creating a positive image of the country for millions of foreign visitors. A similar boost for the Russian economy and its image in the world could negate the Wests efforts to isolate Russia in the international community.

While the Americans have their geopolitical games to play, the Europeans are concerned about power. Dependent on South America and Africa for football talent, and, increasingly Asia for TV audiences, the Europeans know they are losing control. Europe wants to import all the labour from us because that gives them a global TV audience and lots of money. But they do not want to give us World Cups or share any power with us, says an African delegate who voted for Blatter.

Demonised in Europe and the US, Blatter remains popular outside the West because he took football where no other FIFA boss dared to. The game is for the poor, not for the elite. And Blatter brought it to them in Africa, in Asia, and thats why most of Africa and Asia voted for him, Talal Badr, President of Union of Arab National Olympic Committees, told journalists on Saturday. We dont like governments to interfere with sports or federations. We dont want these governments to control the results or impose on us where the game goes, Badr added.

Whether or not Blatter is involved in corruption can only be revealed by an honest probe. The FBI investigation may become bigger and indict him later. For the present, however, Blatter remains in command of world football as most countries believe what the West is trying to do is rob the Rest of the chance to be equal partners in the only truly global game.

Shobhan Saxena is an independent journalist based in Rio de Janeiro. He has covered the FIFA Confederations Cup in 2013 and the FIFA World Cup in 2014, besides writing extensively on Brazilian and South American football 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 02, 2015, 12:57:16 PM
Shaka Hislop discusses the post 2006 WC player litigation
http://www.espnfc.com/fifa-world-cup/4/video/2476686/hislop-we-had-to-take-jack-warner-to-court
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 02, 2015, 05:02:03 PM
Jack Starts to Drop his Bombs

Jack Warner released the first of his many promised bombshells. Jack released a cheque which shows that he paid $1,000,000 to the PP's advertiser of choice, Ross Advertising.
It is important to note that the cheque is dated April 14th, 2010. The election campaign was in full swing by then. This give some credit to his claim that he funded Kamla's election campaign.

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Title: A latter day Caribbean Al Capone?
Post by: Tallman on June 02, 2015, 07:11:22 PM
A latter day Caribbean Al Capone?
caribbeannewsnow.com


Al Capone, the Chicago gangster during the Prohibition era, whose name is synonymous with organised crime in America, was charged with numerous criminal offences ranging from vagrancy to murder. However, the only conviction ever obtained by the government was for tax evasion, for which Capone was sentenced to a then record 11 years in federal prison.

Legally, Capone's profits from criminal activity did not have to be entered on a tax return until 1927, when the Supreme Court ruled that illegally earned income had to be declared.

Embattled Trinidad member of parliament and former FIFA vice president Jack Warner may well find himself in a similar predicament.

According to the 164-page indictment in United States vs. Jeffrey Webb, et al, in which Warner and other senior FIFA officials are charged with multiple counts of racketeering, money laundering and wire fraud involving $150 million, Warner, although a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago, was also between approximately 1993 and 2013, a legal permanent resident of the United States.

This means during the time he was allegedly receiving millions of dollars in bribes and other illicit earnings he had extensive US reporting and taxation obligations in relation to his worldwide income.

As a US lawful permanent resident (green card holder), Warner was automatically a US tax resident. US tax residents must declare their entire income to the US governments Internal Revenue Service (IRS), no matter where the income was earned. As of 2012, they must also report certain information about foreign financial assets.

As a green card holder, Warner should have declared income both within the United States and any money that he received from investments or business activities carried on outside US borders.

As the US Supreme Court ruled as long ago as 1927, illegally earned income has to be declared.

Warner may therefore be called on to account for the various transfers the indictment alleges were made to him or to accounts he controlled.

Specifically, the Traffic Group, a multinational sports marketing company involved in the purchase and sale of media and marketing rights associated with football in the United States and other parts of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) region, bought rights to Caribbean home World Cup qualifiers from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), then bought the rights to Trinidad's home qualifiers, which it already owned, from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA). Traffic then diverted payments to a Warner-controlled account.

In one of the examples, for 2006 World Cup qualifiers, Traffic USA paid the CFU $900,000, then agreed to pay the TTFA $800,000 for rights it already owned and wired the money to an account in Trinidad and Tobago that Warner controlled. For the 2010 World Cup, Traffic USA paid the CFU $2.2 million, and then paid Warner-controlled accounts $800,000 for the same rights.

In the early 2000s, Warner directed co-conspirator No. 14, identified as a member of his family, to fly to Paris, France, and accept a briefcase containing "bundles of US currency in $10,000 stacks in a hotel room" from co-conspirator No. 15, identified as a high-ranking South African bid committee official.

Hours after arriving in Paris, co-conspirator #14 boarded a return flight and carried the briefcase back to Trinidad and delivered it to Warner.

On January 2, 2008, January 31, 2008, and March 7, 2008, a high-ranking FIFA official caused payments of $616,000, $1,600,000, and $7,784,000 totaling $10 million to be wired from a FIFA account in Switzerland to a Bank of America correspondent account in New York, New York, for credit to accounts held in the names of CFU and CONCACAF, but controlled by Warner, at Republic Bank in Trinidad and Tobago.

Soon after receiving these wire transfers, Warner allegedly caused a substantial portion of the funds to be diverted for his personal use. For example, on January 9, 2008, Warner directed Republic Bank to apply $200,000 of the $616,000 that had been transferred into a CFU account from FIFA one week earlier toward a personal loan account held in his name.

Warner also diverted a portion of the funds into his personal accounts by laundering the funds through intermediaries. For example, during the period from January 16, 2008, to March 27, 2008, Warner caused approximately $1.4 million of the $10 million to be transferred to a Trinidadian businessman, and a large supermarket chain in Trinidad and Tobago controlled by the same businessman. Weeks later, cheques totaling approximately the same amount and drawn on an account held in the name of a Trinidadian real estate and investment company also controlled by the same businessman, were deposited into a bank account held in the name of Warner and a family member at First Citizens Bank in Trinidad and Tobago.

On July 14, 2011, co-conspirator No. 7, whose description matches that of Mohamed bin Hammam at Qatar, then president of the Asian Football Confederation, caused $1,211,980 to be wired from an account he controlled in Qatar to a Citibank account for credit to Warner's account at Intercommercial Bank in Trinidad and Tobago.

Will Warner become a latter day Caribbean Al Capone?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 03, 2015, 02:13:08 AM
ILP leader paid $1.7m to Ross Advertising one month before 2010 elections.
By Asha Javeed (Express).


JACK CHEQUES IN

One month before the May 2010 general election, a company owned by former FIFA vice-president and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner paid Ross Advertising five cheques totalling $1,719, 215.75.

Ross is the advertising agency which handled the People's Partnership's 2010 election campaign.

On April 14, 2010, Jamad Ltd, whose address is 113 Edward Street, Port of Spain, wrote a cheque to Ross Advertising for $1 million.

On April 21, 2010, four other cheques of varying sums$195,220.55, $155,250, $97,750 and $270,995.20 were also made out to Ross Advertising.

The cheques, which show Jamad's home bank as Republic Bank, Tragarete Road, were all deposited on April 21 at Republic's Long Circular Mall branch.

The cheques surfaced without explanation on social media yesterday, after they were allegedly leaked by Warner, with the promise of more to come. They also appear in the Sunshine newspaper.

What the cheques don't state is what service Ross Advertising, owned by Ernie Ross, rendered for the People's Partnership as no invoices were attached.

Given Ross's relationship in handling the Partnership's election campaign, do the cheques represent money which Warner pumped into the campaign?

Last Thursday, after he was released from prison, Warner stated at a political meeting that he intends to go after Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and reveal all through a tape which he will give to four lawyers.

Everything I have against Kamla I will bring it out. I have kept it back too long and I will bring it out, Warner had said.

PM responds

The question was again put to the Prime Minister yesterday.

Last week, Persad-Bissessar said she never received any money from Warner to fund either her own or the United National Congress (UNC) election campaigns.

In a brief telephone call yesterday, she insisted: I, Kamla, received no money from Jack Warner. That is the God's truth. I cannot speak to any contractual arrangement the gentleman would have had with Ross Advertising or any other advertising agency.

She did point out that as a candidate for Chaguanas West in the 2010 election, Warner funded his own campaign.

For his part, Ross would only say: There is no comment. It's a non-story. I have no other comment.

Copies to Lynch

Leader of Government Business Roodal Moonilal said he intends to forward copies of the cheques in circulation to US Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

Last week Lynch announced that Warner was included in a 47-count indictment that was unsealed at the federal court in Brooklyn, New York, charging 14 defendants with racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, among other offences, in connection with the defendants' participation in a 24-year scheme to enrich themselves through the corruption of international soccer.

I have taken note of cheques circulating reporting to be a cheque by Mr Warner. His name is not on it so I assume that it's a company that he is affiliated to and made out to Ross Advertising and I just want to be clear that Mr Ross Advertising is free to conduct business with Mr Warner of with the many companies that Mr Warner is involved in, said Moonilal.

I am making a copy of that cheque and sending it personally to the US Attorney General Loretta Lynch. I am sure she'll not only be interested in where the cheque went to but where the source of funds came from and I am asking Mr Warner to make more evidence available to Loretta Lynch who has a big interest in those matters, he said.

Mr Warner's problem is not Kamla, its Loretta. I think the sooner he wakes up to that reality the better for him, he said.

The statement made by the Prime Minister stands unimpeachable. The Prime Minister herself has not received any money from Mr Warner, or the UNC. Ross Advertising works for several businesses and business persons. He is free as part of his commercial relationship to work with any client at any time, he said.

Warner mum

Meanwhile, Warner is keeping the reasons for releasing the cheques close to his chest.

At least until tonight at 7:30 when his party hosts a political meeting.

In a text message response to the Express, Warner said yesterday: No comment at this time. 7.30 p.m. tomorrow.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on June 03, 2015, 04:42:26 AM
Today, Interpol issued a "Red Notice" for Jack Warner and five other FIFA officials, meaning they will be arrested if they fly anywhere in the world.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 03, 2015, 05:41:05 AM
Today, Interpol issued a "Red Notice" for Jack Warner and five other FIFA officials, meaning they will be arrested if they fly anywhere in the world.

the squeeze is on.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 03, 2015, 07:55:17 AM
Who say tsunami?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 03, 2015, 09:14:24 AM
Today, Interpol issued a "Red Notice" for Jack Warner and five other FIFA officials, meaning they will be arrested if they fly anywhere in the world.

And Jack have no problem with that, he eh fly years now.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2015, 02:18:15 AM
Govt did not jail Jack
By VERNE BURNETT (Newsday)


Government yesterday denied any involvement in Jack Warners jailing last Wednesday.

The former FIFA vice president, leader of the Independent Liberal Party and Chaguanas West Member of Parliament, spent Wednesday night at the State Prison on Frederick Street, Port- of-Spain after he was unable to have his bail documents approved in time to allow his release on the charges unsealed by US Attorney General Loretta Lynch in Brooklyn last week accusing him of involvement in a 24-year scheme to enrich himself by corrupting football.

At a news conference yesterday at the offices of the Ministry of Trade, Industry, Investment and Communications at Nicholas Towers, Independence Square, Port-of-Spain, Government spokesman, Andy Johnson said Warner spent the night in jail simply because of his failure to complete his bail arrangements on time following his court appearance on charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money-laundering.

Johnson said Warners jail stay was due only to the fact that the system closed down before those arrangements were completed and of course you know that they were completed the following day and Mr Warner left the prison. Mr Warner is seeking to make a link between the Government of Trinidad and Tobago I have heard him at least once accusing the Prime Minister of putting him in jail but nothing could be further from the truth. The political administration does not get involved in matters of this sort and the process takes its course and the process is taking its course. He went to court and was remanded to appear at a later date.

Johnson said that at no stage did the political administration have anything to do with the matter. That would have been highly inappropriate and irregular. He condemned the extent to which he said not only Warner but several other people in the country continue to make a link between the Government and Warner that is patently not correct.

He said that because of the widespread accusations the Government felt it was necessary to make the point that nothing having to do with the proximity of elections to be called in Trinidad and Tobago and Mr Warners estrangement from the Government of which he had been a part none of that matters and relates to what has been happening with these indictments based on investigations by the United States authorities at all.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 04, 2015, 02:39:00 AM
Dimanche Gras 2011 Finals: Karene Asche Uncle Jack

https://www.youtube.com/v/Fn92pjjYIyw

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on June 04, 2015, 02:48:45 AM
From: The Guardian‎
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/04/fifa-crisis-jack-warner-says-he-fears-for-life-and-will-reveal-avalanche-of-secrets

Video link:http:   http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/jun/04/fifa-jack-warner-sepp-blatter-video
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Peong on June 04, 2015, 05:04:01 AM
Jack is the CNN headline this morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/04/world/fifa-corruption-jack-warner/index.html

Ex-FIFA official Jack Warner promises to spill secrets on FIFA, Sepp Blatter.
By Laura Smith-Spark (CNN).


Former senior FIFA official Jack Warner, indicted in a wide-ranging bribery scandal, has promised to unleash a tide of evidence relating to the dealings of world soccer's governing body.

Warner said he fears for his life but it is time to stop keeping secrets for others.

The revelations came first in a paid political ad, titled "Jack Warner: The gloves are off," in which he said he had prepared a comprehensive series of documents on FIFA's transactions, including checks and corroborated statements.

They have been placed in "different and respected hands," he said. "There can be no turning back."

In the ad, aired on TV in his native Trinidad and Tobago, Warner said he would "no longer keep secrets for those persons who now seek actively to destroy this country's hard-won international image."

He also said, "I reasonably and surely fear for my life."

A little later, he appeared at a rally in Marabella, in southern Trinidad, for his Independent Liberal Party.

At this, he again promised to impart information that would shed light on FIFA's operations to those probing alleged corruption.

"I also will give them my knowledge of financial transactions at FIFA including, but not limited to, Sepp Blatter. I have been there for 30 consecutive years. I was a heartbeat away from Blatter. I said to him in 2011, it's time at 75, it's time to step down," he said.

Warner's claims came shortly after court records revealed that Chuck Blazer, a former FIFA executive committee member and a key player in the ongoing corruption investigation into international soccer's governing body, had admitted that he and other officials took bribes ahead of the 1998 and 2010 World Cups.

In a 40-page document that federal prosecutors released Wednesday, Blazer tells the court that he and other members of the FIFA executive committee took bribes between 2004 and 2011 and helped South Africa land the 2010 World Cup.

Warner: 'Blatter knows why he fell'

Speaking at the rally, Warner said Blatter had turned against him in 2011 when he advised the Swiss to stand down, saying it should be "tomorrow, not the day after," or he would become a lame duck president of FIFA and people might start to ask if he was cooking the books.

"I said to him step down. I said to him, Mr. Blatter, I empathize with you, because I was in 2011 where you are today. The only difference is you caused my demise, I didn't cause yours."

While promising to dish the dirt on others within FIFA, Warner denied wrongdoing himself.

"South Africa didn't give me any $10 million bribe," he said. "Blatter didn't give me any bribe."

He added, "Blatter knows why he fell. And if there's one other person who knows, I do."

Blatter stunned the soccer world Tuesday by announcing his intention to resign, just four days after he was elected president for a fifth term by delegates to FIFA's annual World Congress. According to FIFA rules, the earliest a new leader can be elected would be in four months.

Warner has so far not produced any physical evidence or documents to support his claims. He apologized to his country for not making the allegations public sooner.

According to the lengthy U.S. Justice Department indictment filed last month, Warner -- a former FIFA vice president and one of nine FIFA officials charged last week -- is accused of taking a $10 million bribe to vote for South Africa's 2010 World Cup.

South Africa's government denies having paid any bribe to secure the hosting rights.

FIFA officials accused of taking $150 million in bribes

FIFA is mired in two investigations right now.

The first: A Swiss criminal investigation into the highly controversial 2018 and 2022 World Cup bids, which went to Russia and Qatar, respectively. Authorities have questioned a few people, but no one's been arrested. Blatter's not being questioned as part of the probe, the Office of the Attorney General of Switzerland said last week.

On Thursday, British Culture Secretary told the House of Commons that England is willing to host the 2022 Cup if it is taken away from Qatar.

"Obviously if FIFAa came forward and asked us to consider hosting it, we have the facilities in this country and of course we did mount a very impressive, if unsuccessful bid to host the 2018 World Cup," he said.

The second: The U.S. investigation that's targeting alleged wrongdoing that spans 24 years. U.S. prosecutors issued arrest warrants for 14 people, on charges ranging from money laundering to fraud and racketeering.

They include FIFA officials who took bribes totaling more than $150 million and in return provided "lucrative media and marketing rights" to soccer tournaments as kickbacks, prosecutors say.


CNN's Larry Register contributed to this report.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on June 04, 2015, 07:37:12 AM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on June 04, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
Warner TV Broadcast: Jack Warner - Gloves are off
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZcbuJVfhGnk

One of the top figures implicated in the FIFA corruption scandal has threatened to release documents allegedly chronicling "financial transactions" involving Sepp Blatter, the organization's embattled president who is stepping down.

Former FIFA vice president Jack Warner claimed the documents which he likened to an "avalanche" also linked soccer's governing body to the general election of 2010 in his native Trinidad and Tobago.

Warner said he has handed the "comprehensive and detailed series of documents, including checks and corroborated statements," to a third party, claiming: "I reasonably, actually fear for my life."

He added: "Retracting them is not a possibility; there can be no turning back."

Speaking in an eight-minute paid political advertisement entitled "The Gloves are Off," Warner likened himself to a "lone soldier" and quoted Mahatma Gandhi.

He is facing charges including to racketeering, wire fraud, and money laundering conspiracy. The Department of Justice also revealed last week that Warner's sons, Daryll and Daryan, pleaded guilty in 2013 to charges including wire fraud and money laundering conspiracy.

Blatter was not named in the DOJ's 160-page indictment, but he announced Tuesday he will step down in the wake of the allegations.
Warner, who is Blatter's former deputy, said the documents included his "knowledge of financial transactions at FIFA, including, but not limited to, its president, Mr. Sepp Blatter."

He said they also detailed "the link between FIFA, its funding, and me ... and the people's partnership government [ruling coalition] in the general election of 2010."

Warner added: "I will no longer keep secrets for them who actively seek to destroy the country."

Warner was re-elected during the 2010 election and served as a government minister in Trinidad and Tobago until he left in April 2013 to form the Independent Liberal Party.

At a political rally held half an hour after the address, Warner added: "Not even death will stop the avalanche that is coming," according to The Associated Press. "Blatter knows why he fell. And if anyone else knows, I do," he said.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on June 04, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.

How you mean if he have anything. Who give USA 1989 and 1994? Who brokered all kinda deals all over the world with FAs? When last T&T played England a friendly? Has Becks been back to T&T, even for Carnival? Look the Aussie want back their bribe money and no one saying anything about that. They latched onto the Legacy Program though.

I sure Jack could buss files like Snowden. It would be sweet. And, because of this I think you may see a huge deal for Jack from the DoJ.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 04, 2015, 12:06:51 PM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.

How you mean if he have anything. Who give USA 1989 and 1994? Who brokered all kinda deals all over the world with FAs? When last T&T played England a friendly? Has Becks been back to T&T, even for Carnival? Look the Aussie want back their bribe money and no one saying anything about that. They latched onto the Legacy Program though.

I sure Jack could buss files like Snowden. It would be sweet. And, because of this I think you may see a huge deal for Jack from the DoJ.

Seems at this stage he is still hoping the T&T gov't will protect him based on his threats to reveal stuff on that side, but once he's handed over I'm hoping there's more he can set to light. He's just been such blow hard with threats over the years, it's hard to imagine he'll finally reveal something significant, but hey let's hope like sons like father.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on June 04, 2015, 12:25:30 PM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.

How you mean if he have anything. Who give USA 1989 and 1994? Who brokered all kinda deals all over the world with FAs? When last T&T played England a friendly? Has Becks been back to T&T, even for Carnival? Look the Aussie want back their bribe money and no one saying anything about that. They latched onto the Legacy Program though.

I sure Jack could buss files like Snowden. It would be sweet. And, because of this I think you may see a huge deal for Jack from the DoJ.

Seems at this stage he is still hoping the T&T gov't will protect him based on his threats to reveal stuff on that side, but once he's handed over I'm hoping there's more he can set to light. He's just been such blow hard with threats over the years, it's hard to imagine he'll finally reveal something significant, but hey let's hope like sons like father.

In 2011, he promise a tsunami, this time he downgrade to a avalanche and all we see so far is a photocopy of a cheque for services rendered dat eh really saying nothing. Ah not holding mih breath.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Anbrat on June 04, 2015, 12:49:32 PM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
You could not have put it any better! He is certainly a man of intrigue. Notwithstanding, he has found himself in a most unfortunate position at this stage!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on June 04, 2015, 01:33:48 PM
if Jack playing mad he doing a damn good job
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: lefty on June 05, 2015, 08:18:31 AM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
You could not have put it any better! He is certainly a man of intrigue. Notwithstanding, he has found himself in a most unfortunate position at this stage!

I commented elsewhere on this, I don't think jack has anyting concrete, he can use on this gov't, nutten that can't be easily dismissed anyways.....at this stage only someting dat the DOJ might find interesting may hold water.......but he would surely incriminate himself with that........added to that his credibility continues to plummet,...........as an aside, rowley should reserve comment on anyting Jack has to say about the gov't, if he is smart, he was clever enough to at least draw some distance from jack, but I have heard him reference jack with sect 34.....he should stop with dat, until someting dat is not jus hearsay is brought forward 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on June 05, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
Yuh know I wish he really would reveal something of note but I think the reality is that he can't reveal anything of any real significance without hanging himself too! And that is if he actually has proof of anything.
You could not have put it any better! He is certainly a man of intrigue. Notwithstanding, he has found himself in a most unfortunate position at this stage!

I commented elsewhere on this, I don't think jack has anyting concrete, he can use on this gov't, nutten that can't be easily dismissed anyways.....at this stage only someting dat the DOJ might find interesting may hold water.......but he would surely incriminate himself with that........added to that his credibility continues to plummet,...........as an aside, rowley should reserve comment on anyting Jack has to say about the gov't, if he is smart, he was clever enough to at least draw some distance from jack, but I have heard him reference jack with sect 34.....he should stop with dat, until someting dat is not jus hearsay is brought forward 

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 05, 2015, 01:08:55 PM
Idris Elba Chosen To Play Jack Warner In 2017 Trinidad Jack
POSTED BY: LATE O'CLOCK NEWS


Recent FIFA scandals have not only shocked the world, but have moved the pens and pockets of Hollywood stalwarts. The story which has inspired them the most, however, is that of Jack Warner, the Afro-Trinidadian man who rose from being a secondary school teacher in a tiny Caribbean island easily overlooked on a map to a Vice President of FIFA, one of the most powerful organisations in the world. Our reliable sources tell us that Paramount Pictures has already begun gathering its crew and cast of A-list actors and actresses, and has secured Idris Elba to play the lead role of Jack Warner.

This was just the obvious choice, said Paramount Pictures CEO, Brad Grey. This is probably the biggest scandal involving a non-profit organisation in the history of the world. As such, the movie deserves the best cast and crew. After we secured Martin Scorsese and Christopher Nolan to co-direct the screenplay co-written by Terence Winter and Vince Gilligan, it was only fitting that we respect the high level production value by choosing the sexiest man alive to play the lead role.

Screenplay writer, Terence Winter, said the script basically wrote itself. Jack Warners story is any writers paradise. So many things you can choose to highlight. There is his rags to riches story, the rise and fall of his FIFA career, his struggle and triumph over stuttering, the complicated relationship with his sons who are going to spend 20-years in jail, his role in financing the successful campaign of the Peoples Partnership government in his home country and the list goes on and on.

We asked the evidently excited Winter about the angle of the story. I dont want to give it away, but just know that the word Kamla is said exactly 137 times in the movie. That is 24 times more than the word nigger is said in Django Unchained. We are breaking records here.

Vince Gilligan said he thinks this movie would be even better and give him more fulfillment than his multi-award winning series, Breaking Bad.

Lead actor, Idris Elba, says that he cannot wait to start filming. A Trinidadian accent is a difficult thing to mimic in and of itself for a British fellow like me. On top of that, Jack Warner has a unique diction and his tongue is very heavy. I have been practicing day in and day out to get it right and Im nowhere near it. This is definitely my most challenging role ever and it quite frankly makes me so excited I feel to tear my shirt off whenever I think about it.

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Title: Warner, TT make world news headlines
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2015, 07:50:44 PM
Warner, TT make world news headlines (http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,212189.html)
By Sasha Harrinanan Friday, June 5 2015 (T&T Newsday)

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Jack boxed in: Local and foreign journalists pile on top each other to interview ILP leader Jack Warner at a meeting in Marabella on Wednesday night. Warner, a former FIFA executive, is on eight charges in a FIFA corruption scandal.
Author: Anil Rampersad


The words avalanche, Jack Warner, FIFA, Trinidad and Tobago and even 2010 national election, dominated international news broadcasts and reports yesterday.

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), which has a team in Trinidad and Tobago, was among those with hourly reports on, and analysis of, Warners promise on television, radio and online following his Wednesday night declaration that not even death will stop the avalanche that is coming of his evidence of corruption at footballs world governing body.

Members of the local media, including veteran journalist Tony Fraser, were interviewed by the BBC about the unfolding corruption scandal in which Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, was among 14 individuals indicted for engaging in a corruption scheme at FIFA that authorities said involved more than US$150 million (98.6 million) in bribes.

Haunting music played as BBC journalist Ed Thomas filed a report on Warners declarations while standing in front of the Port-of-Spain power station owned by the Power Generation Company of TT (PowerGen).

Jack Warner no longer has the influence to attract the big names to his home town but he says after three decades at the heart of FIFA, hes ready to reveal its secrets, Thomas said.

Footage of Warner and David Beckham in Trinidad in 2010 aired as Thomas gave an overview of the former FIFA vice-president and former Concacaf presidents rise to power.

Saying Warner is battling for his freedom and describing the 72-year-old as defiant and ready for a fight, Thomas described as dramatic, the fall of one of footballs once most powerful figures.

Jack Warner vows to bring down Sepp Blatter with an avalanche of evidence, was the headline chosen by the United Kingdom-based Telegraph newspaper yesterday while US- based Huffington Post wrote, Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner Promises Avalanche Of Secrets.

UK-based The Guardian newspaper chose to look at Warners claim of a link between FIFA funds and the successful general election campaign of the Peoples Partnership (PP) coalition.

The former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has made an extraordinary television appearance in which he says he fears for his life and claims he will prove a link between soccers governing body and the national elections in his native Trinidad and Tobago. The claims come while Fifa struggles to cope with the ongoing fallout following corruption charges that were issued by US authorities against Warner and 13 other key football figures, The Guardian wrote.

Like other news agencies, the newspaper noted that Warner has yet to produce any documentation to support his allegations, even as he on Wednesday revealed, I reasonably actually fear for my life.

The stunning revelations out of Marabella, Trinidad come just hours after a transcript was made public of former FIFA executive Chuck Blazers admission, The Guardian noted, that he and other members of the all-powerful executive committee were bribed in return for voting for South Africas bid for the 2010 World Cup.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:48:23 AM
Jacks bodyguards manhandle press
Journalists cry assault
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


A media melee was the best way to describe the scene outside Parliament yesterday, as embattled former Fifa frontliner Jack Warner fled from foreign media reporters who were manhandled by some of his companions after Warner refused to speak to the foreign press.

Foreign media personnel had come to T&T from Sky News in the UK, Associated Press (AP), Agence France Presse (AFP) and Al Jazeera to interview Warner on recent international events, including the US Justice Departments move to indict himalong with other Fifa officialson charges ranging from alleged bribery, corruption and racketeering to fraud.

Warner is now before the court following the execution of a provisional warrant last week and is also on Interpols Wanted list.

Yesterday, Warner had gone to the Parliament to participate in debate on a motion by Government concerning variation of 2015 finances. This involved shifting unused sums from certain divisions of Government to other areas to mainly fund payments and other matters up to September 2015. (See Page A5).

But Warner, who arrived late for the 10 am parliamentary sitting, was met by reporters outside the Parliament. In that episode, a camerawoman from AFP fell to the ground in her pursuit of Warner. She told the T&T Guardian that Warners bodyguard told her that she had done that to herself.

Other foreign media personnelreporters and a producerlater joined local reporters in the parliament chamber, focusing on Warner, who sat through the mornings debate silently with his head down. A big, burly man, part of his entourage, sat close by in the public gallery.

Local parliament reporters from the T&T Guardian, Express and Newsday sent Warner a note requesting an interview. But he sent back a note with the reply: Regretfully I put a halt to all media interviews and I do thank you for your understanding.

During the lunch break, local and foreign reporters then attempted to speak to Warner as he left the Parliament.

David Dowden, of Londons Sky News, asked Warner if he could speak with him. Warner tersely replied that he was in his Parliament and I wouldnt do this in your Parliament. Dont do it in mine!

Warner was escorted by police as he left the Parliament, and his companionspeople who appeared to be his bodyguardsthen surrounded him as he left through the parliaments doors. It was the first time Warners companions had acted like bodyguards at the Parliament. When he arrived on previous occasions he had willingly spoken to local media and answered queries freely, mainly commenting on the Peoples Partnership.

But yesterday, leaving the Parliament in the presence of the foreign media, Warnercompanions closely followingdidnt seem as forthcoming.

As local and foreign media followed Warner away from the Parliament, Dowden attempted to speak to him. However, Warners companion, in a white T-shirt, loudly and harshly warned Dowden off, pushing his open palm in reporters faces and declaring, No comments, no comments, no comments!

Dowden persisted, Excuse me, Mr Warner, why wont you explain?...

Warners companion, still blocking Dowden, insisted, No comments, no comments!

Dowden protested, Dont manhandle me...please.

Dowden again asked Warner why he wouldnt speak.

Warners companion, pushing him off bodily, bellowed, No comments! No comments! No comments!

Dowden asked him, Will you stop pushing me please?

The other large man at Warners side asked Dowden, Why you doh go in yuh own country and behave like dat?

AP cameraman Josh Rapogle took up the questioning as Warners group attempted to push Dowden aside.

What do you have against Sepp Blatter? Rapogle asked Warner

No comments! No comments! No comments! shouted Warners companion, pushing Rapogles equipment aside.

Rapogle warned, Dont touch my camera.

He again pressed Warner, What do you have against Sepp Blatter?

Dowden also asked Warner, Mr Warner as a Parliamentarian, do you think its right for your companions to assault me?

Warners assistants replied to Dowden, Move! Move! Move!

What gives you the right to assault me? Dowden tried again.

He asked Warner, Mr Warner why wont you talk to us...if youve got nothing to hide, why wont you talk to us?

Reporters followed Warner to his car, still attempting to ask questions after he was seated inside, to no avail.

Warner didnt immediately return to Parliament after lunch, but turned up later and contributed to debate on the variation motion, criticising Government heavily.

He also spoke about exposing the Government in his Sunshine newspaper, in response to which Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said it was offensive to hear him speak about good governance and condemning corruption, whereupon she packed up her things and walked out.

No official extradition request yetNicholas

American authorities have not yet presented a formal request for former Fifa official Jack Warners extradition to the US, Attorney General Garvin Nicholas told reporters yesterday.

He said nothing had occurred to show that T&T would do anything but co-operate with the system in the issue and the courts would decide if Warner should be extradited, adding that it wasnt for him to decide.

Asked by US reporters about Warners claims pertaining to Fifa funding and the T&T elections, Nicholas said Warner had made a lot of accusations over the years that had not been substantiated.

On Warners claims of damaging information about the Government regarding Section 34, Nicholas said if he had any evidence it should be taken to the police and the Integrity Commission, which was also part of T&Ts investigating structure.

Nicholas said Warner hadnt presented his office with evidence of his claims and he wasnt interested in anyone who made threats.

Thats seeking headlines, he said.

Nicholas said Warner was receiving the same treatment and procedures as Ish Galbaransingh, Steve Ferguson and others.

Were following it to the letter, he said.

Nicholas also said if Warner had a genuine concern for his life he should go to the police, who would assess his vulnerability and provide security if they felt it necessary.

PP House leader Dr Roodal Moonilal, addressing Warners claims, said, Mr Warner is a desperate man and this is a case of desperation leading to disillusion, I hope he co-operates with authorities and seeks to clear his name.

Moonilal also said TTFF president Raymond Tim Kee yesterday made a very irresponsible statement and failed to provide any evidence of any activity he claimed. I cant remember the last time the UNC had a dinner banquet. I hope it wasnt a private function and Mr Warner tried to defraud TTFF by claiming it was a UNC matter.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:53:26 AM
Kamla to Jack: Stop humiliating T&T
By Richard Charan (Express).


PRIME Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar on Friday appealed to Jack Warner to stop bringing the country into shame, humiliation and disrepute.

Speaking in Parliament at the International Waterfront Port of Spain, where several members of the foreign media were seated, Persad-Bissessar said the country had, over a period of years, been able to establish itself on the world stage.

Now, she said, the entire globe was focused on Trinidad and Tobago not for anything right and good.

Persad-Bissessar said she had suffered great distressbecause of the actions of one man.

Warner, the political leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) and a former FIFA Vice President, has been indicted in the United States on charges of fraud, corruption and racketeering related to his time at FIFA.

On Wednesday, Warner said at a political meet, and in an address to the nation, that he had evidence which linked FIFA's money with funding for the Peoples Partnership general election campaign in 2010.

His claims have been widely reported in the international media.

Persad-Bissessar, who has denied using any of Warner's money to fund the campaign, said on Friday: we worked so hard to grow that international image. Today, this image is under threat. One citizen has brought us into disrepute, shame and humiliation. We call upon that member from Chaguanas West, that he do all that he can to cooperate with US authorities.

Warner was asked to give what information he had to US authorities and end this very sordid period of the nation's history. Let's end the shame and scandal. One man has brought us hereI appeal to his sense of patriotismand redeem his native landcooperate and do what's right so we can list one again the image of Trinidad and Tobago.

On Tuesday Warner was among six former and current FIFA executives placed on INTERPOL's wanted list on charges including corruption, conspiracy and racketeering.

The Red Notices were issued a day after FIFA president Sepp Blatter announced he would be resigning, as the corruption investigation into FIFA deepens.

The six on INTERPOL's list are among nine FIFA officials and five sports media and promotions executives, who have been indicted in the United States on charges related to bribes amounting to $150 million.

Warner is accused of accepting a US $10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup. Officials in South Africa have denied that the money was a bribe.

He appeared in court last week, after the US began extradition proceedings seeking to have him brought to the US to face trial. Warner, who is out on $2.5 million bail, has denied wrong-doing and claimed that the charges are part of a US witch-hunt meant to punish him for his support of Qatar's 2022 World Cup.

US prosecutors on Thursday unsealed the guilty plea hearing transcripts of Warner's Daryan And Daryll.

According to US media reports, Daryan Warner pleaded guilty to three counts of wire fraud, money laundering, and tax evasion in October 2013, in relation to a ticket reselling scam for the 2006 and 2010 World Cups.

In the documents, Warner made substantial profits buying World Cup tickets from FIFA then illegally selling them at marked-up prices through a Florida-based ticket broker who is named as co-conspirator in the case.

The scam also involved two unnamed family members who at the time were FIFA officials, according the court documents.

Daryan Warner profited at least $1,177,843.95 running his ticket scam for the 2006 World Cup.

As part of the plea deal, Daryan Warner agreed to cooperate with the government in its ongoing investigation of FIFA, including going undercover if necessary.

Daryll Warner pleaded guilty in July 2013 to wire fraud, and structuring, which refers to attempting to structure financial transactions in a way that wouldn't trigger federal currency reporting requirements.

Federal prosecutors also alleged that Warner, a one-time FIFA development officer focused on the Caribbean, obtained a mortgage loan on the basis of false information and then used the loan to finance a property in Miami.

Warner testified that the Miami property was intended for use by my father, my brother and myself.

Warner also admitted to deliberately breaking up cash deposits into amounts of less than $10,000 in order to avoid the filing of the requisite report.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:54:23 AM
Warner: Last laugh is mine
T&T Newsday Reports.


BEFORE Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar walked out on him during yesterdays sitting of the House of Representatives, Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader and Chaguanas West MP Jack Warner promised her, the Government and the country, I will have the last laugh.

After the Prime Minister walked out of the Parliament during his response to her contribution during debate on a motion to approve the Second Report of the Standing Finance Committee, Warner shrugged his shoulders and remarked, I sat (in my seat).I did not rise on a point of order. I sat and listened to the Member (of Parliament) for Siparia (Persad-Bissessar) impugn my character in the worst possible way but I said nothing.

However Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, hinted that outside of Parliament, I will say something. In her earlier contribution, Persad-Bissessar accused Warner of single-handedly bringing the countrys international image into disrepute.

In doing so, she urged him to cooperate with United States law enforcement authorities with respect to eight criminal charges the US government has laid against him with respect to, racketeering, conspiracy and corruption during his tenure as a FIFA executive.

Responding to Persad-Bissessar, Warner said he heard her passionate plea to him while he was on his way to Parliament. Saying he was touched by her concern for him, Warner quipped, I find it difficult to understand how a similar concern wasnt expressed when there were others who had 89 charges which emanated in TT and there was no concern. Persad-Bissessar and Government MPs were silent as Warner continued, In fact, on the contrary, I was a member of that Cabinet that passed Section 34 in the middle of the night. There was no concern. None.

Warner said he would have thought that as a senior counsel, the Prime Minister would have known that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Reminding MPs that Persad-Bissessar read the charges against him into the Hansard record of Parliament, Warner observed, The way she has made the kind of judgement that she has made and continues to make, is mind- boggling.

Referring to Persad-Bissessars charge that he had brought shame and scandal on the country by his actions, Warner countered, What she has seen so far, if she is correct, is the shame. She has not seen the scandal yet. The scandal is to come.

Reiterating he will continue to take all the ridicule and derision and attacks as he has been doing, Warner told Speaker Wade Mark, I tell this House, this country and you today, that I will have the last laugh.

Noting the presence of foreign journalists in the Parliament Chamber, Warner said it might be good for the international press for the Prime Minister to make a plea to Chaguanas West to cooperate.

Saying Persad-Bissessars statement makes international news and you know of course we like our PR (public relations), Warner said, I want to say, the news must also say that it is this Prime Minister, under this Government that passed Section 34 which was designed to prevent two persons from going to the US.

Government Chief Whip Dr Roodal Moonilal cited Standing Order 48 (6), claiming Warner was imputing improper motive against Persad-Bissessar and the Government. It is clear, Moonilal claimed. Mark advised Warner, You are imputing improper motive to Cabinet ministers and the Prime Minister and you are in breach of 48 (6), so I ask you not to go there.

Warner replied, Mr Speaker, if you say so, its so. I want to make the point that at the end of the day, both in terms of what is taking place here and what took place in this country some three or four years ago.

Reiterating his confidence that the truth will be revealed sooner rather than later, Warner looked at Persad-Bissessar and Government MPs and declared, There is nobody Mr Speaker who will jumbie me or set my agenda for me, before my time. The only person to set my agenda, is me.

Insisting that he is following due process, Warner said, I was charged in my country. I was given a provisional warrant. I went to my countrys court. I gave up myself. I am on bail. I do not understand the issue of cooperation.

Looking again at his former political colleagues, Warner crossed his wrists. What do you want me to do? Go in manacles and hands so to the (United) States? Thats what you want me to do? he asked Government MPs.

Reiterating that in this country, one is innocent until proven guilty, Warner told Government MPs, You can say what you want, thats maxim.

Rebutting Persad-Bissessars assertion that Government was not practising discrimination against certain segments of the population, Warner said, When I was minister of works and transport, that (Diego Martin) highway was already started. It started by the (former) PNM government.

As PNM MPs thumped their desks, Warner declared, There was no initiative on this Governments part. They were not kind, they were not generous. Telling Government dont take credit where credit is not due, Warner said, The same applies to the Highway to Point Fortin. That was a fait accompli down to the contractor, everything was there.

Saying in this society, it is convenient for us to forget, Warner repeated that at the end of the day, Chaguanas West will have the last laugh both locally and internationally.Indicating he would say no more on this issue, Warner dropped a hint to the foreign journalists in the Parliaments press gallery. I hope that gets the same amount of airplay as the last speaker (Persad-Bissessar), he said.

Warner said while there are efforts to take him from Intercol to Interpol, what he has seen in the Bill, has told me we are in serious trouble.

Claiming that Finance Minister Larry Howai has not told this country everything with respect to the true state of the economy, Warner charged, If this country knows everything, it will trigger a public outcry.

Reiterating that Government was practising voodoo mathematics to make the population believe the economy is growing and it is cutting costs, Warner said the truth was that in the final weeks before the dissolution of Parliament on or before June 17, Government is involved in election squandermania. He claimed there was no contract for the 12 vessels recently purchased from Damen Shipyards of the Netherlands for $1.358 billion.

Waxing biblical, Warner said the only Last Supper which the world knows was Jesus (Christs) supper, with 12 disciples and one Judas. He then alleged, at the end of the day, what is happening here is the Last Supper.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 04:58:27 AM
Warner mum on seeking United States plea deal.
T&T Newsday Reports.


A day after vowing to unleash an avalanche of evidence of FIFA corruption, a steadfast Jack Warner yesterday declared he would continue on the path he has set out for himself but declined to say if he was seeking a plea deal with United States (US) law enforcement agencies.

Newsday caught up with Warner at his Arouca home two hours after the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader and Chaguanas West MP had fulfilled the second of his twice-weekly reports to the Arouca Police Station as part of the conditions set out when he was granted $2.5 million bail last week.

The former FIFA vice-president and Concacaf president is currently on bail after being arrested on a provisional warrant issued by the Office of the United States (US) Attorney General last week, following arrests of several FIFA officials in Zurich, Switzerland.

Warner has been indicted on eight charges of racketeering, wire fraud, and money laundering while his sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, are cooperating with US authorities as part of separate plea deals. A transcript ordered released by a US federal judge in Brooklyn, New York this past Monday, contained details of Daryans guilty plea. However a separate motion by the New York Times to unseal the plea agreement of Daryll was yesterday denied by US District Judge William F c**tz II. The transcript of Daryans deal shows that in October 2013, he pled guilty to wire fraud conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy and the structuring of financial transactions to evade bank reporting requirements.

At the hearing, Daryan admitted he was among a group which agreed to buy and resell tickets for the 2006 and 2010 World Cups at a substantial profit.

As part of Daryans plea deal, US prosecutors agreed not to charge him with fraud and money laundering in connection with aiding and abetting an alleged bribe payment by the South African Bid Committee connected to its bid to host the 2010 World Cup.

That agreement signalled a potential area of testimony by (Daryan) should the larger case against the 14 go to trial, as prosecutors allege that Jack Warner solicited payments worth $10 million from the South African government. He denies wrongdoing, the New York Times reported.

Having been dropped off in front of his home yesterday afternoon by the driver of a sport utility vehicle (SUV), Warner said hello to Newsday before declaring, I have no comment to make on his stated intention to release an avalanche of secrets.

When asked if he intended to make a plea deal with the US authorities, Warner replied, I said all I have to say (Wednesday) night.

The media could print what they want, they could splash Wanted across their front pages but Ive already spoken, Ive already said all Im going to say on the matter.

Warner then said goodbye to Newsday and entered his property.

On Wednesday night, while addressing ILP supporters in Marabella, Warner declared he would not stay quiet in the face of corruption allegations.

I will not stay quiet. At age 72, I will not stay quiet to allow them to deprive me of my freedom...I have compiled a comprehensive and detailed series of documents this high (Warner gestured from his waist to mid-chest). This high. Documents, bills, speeches, emails. I have it here.

Not even death will stop the avalanche that is coming, Warner continued. The die is cast. There can be no turning back. Let the chips fall where they fall.

Warners avalanche statement followed his paid television broadcast in which he announcedhe had documents which treat with my knowledge and involvement in the link between FIFAs funding and himself, of financial transactions at FIFA including but not limited to its President, Sepp Blatter, the link between FIFAs funding and the United National Congress and the Peoples Partnership Government in 2010 general election 2010, as well as documents dealing with the Section 34 fiasco.

Warner said he has instructed his lawyers to engage in the task of making contact with law enforcement authorities both inside as well as outside of Trinidad and Tobago with regards to the statements that I have made.

As the world waits to find out exactly what secrets Warner plans to spill, and when, he yesterday fulfilled his bail obligations.

At about 11.40 am yesterday, Warner walked into the Arouca Police Station after driving himself there and reported to Cpl Alfred. He then produced a book in which the officer affixed his signature.

During his brief visit to the station, Warner again declared his innocence, stating he would be cleared, and there would be no need for him to report to the station.

Warner was instructed to report to the Arouca Police Station twice a week; on Mondays and Thursdays, as part of his bail granted by Port-of-Spain Chief Magistrate, Marcia Ayers-Caesar.

Newsday understands that after the signature was affixed to the book, Warner was met by other police officers at the station, some of whom he knew by their first names, and wished them a happy Corpus Christi.

The ILP leader is no stranger to the Arouca Police Station, as during his tenure as National Security Minister, he often visited officers there and listened to their many concerns.

After a brief conversation with officers, Warner left the station and promised to return next Monday.

Sources close to Warner said he was in the process of securing documents and other information, which he had promised to make available to the agencies in the US, relating to alleged money laundering and racketeering involving some FIFA officials.

Newsday understands Warner plans to continue his ILP walkabouts and cottage meetings, and will seek the guidance of his attorneys in the coming days.

Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein is the lead attorney fighting Warners extradition to the US. Contacted by Newsday yesterday, he said he does not intend to breach his oath as a lawyer by commenting on issues relating to one of his clients.

I left the Parliament in 1991 and gave up a career in politics for a full-time career at the Bar. I do not comment on issues relating to my clients as I am bound by the principles of confidentiality. Mr Warner is my client, Hosein said.

Hosein, who also represents businessman Steve Ferguson in his extradition matters, also refused to engage in any discussions relating to partisan politics.

The unfolding developments involving Warner were a hot topic among several of Warners neighbours in Arouca yesterday.

Among them were Bob, Jimmy and Martin who all told Newsday the FIFA corruption scandal is bad for TTs image.

Jimmy spoke of the approachable, helpful man he knew Warner to be; ensuring that dirt drains along a portion of First Street were replaced by concrete box drains during Warners tenure as Works Minister.

Governments came and went and nobody did anything about the drains, even though we complained about it. Everything it rained for a sustained period or rained heavily, my yard and the neighbours yards used to flood. Mr Warner was instrumental in getting that fixed, Jimmy said.

Martin lamented, Its a sad day for TT football, for TT sports while Bob said Based on what he said (Wednesday) night, Jack is not going down alone. He said the gloves are off. Now we wait to see what evidence he has.

All three men told Newsday they doubted Warners latest statement would sway hard-core party supporters. Rather, the fence-sitters would be the ones most likely to be swayed by his FIFA and PP allegations when they cast their ballots in the upcoming general election.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: kounty on June 06, 2015, 08:48:38 AM
As Minister of National Security, Jack must have worked really hard to dig up all the dirt on the gov't boy. Everybody antsy.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 06, 2015, 09:48:17 AM
As Minister of National Security, Jack must have worked really hard to dig up all the dirt on the gov't boy. Everybody antsy.

JW need to be careful because the way T&T is running, attempts on his life is not far fetched..
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: MEP on June 06, 2015, 11:28:10 AM
As Minister of National Security, Jack must have worked really hard to dig up all the dirt on the gov't boy. Everybody antsy.

JW need to be careful because the way T&T is running, attempts on his life is not far fetched..
Remember even Keith Rowley said the same thing some months ago, that for the first time as a politician he feared for his life.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 06, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
How FIFA Villain Jack Warner Keeps Getting Away
By Michael Daly (thedailybeast).


A fortune in Haiti earthquake relief, $10 million from South Africa, $2 million from Qatar. Trinidad and Tobagos Jack Warner allegedly pocketed it allbut hes the one vowing revenge.

Jack Warner fails to mention one thing about the FIFA money he says was used to influence the 2010 election in his native Trinidad and Tobago.

He neglects to say that the cash appears to have come from the millions of FIFA dollars looted by none other than Jack Warner.

Warner would have us believe that the money came direct from FIFA on instructions from the now-outgoing president, Sepp Blatter.

Warner further says the ultimate beneficiary was the big winner of the 2010 election, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

To support his allegations, Warner has leaked at least five checks totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars made out to Ross Advertising of Trinidad, days before the agency reportedly sought to bring in Henry Bernard Campbell, a political whiz who helped President Obama get elected.

The checks were issued by Jamad Limited, a company widely reported to be owned by Warner.

He is now apparently seeking to portray himself as a middleman, as if Blatter and FIFA had a huge interest in Trinidad and Tobagos internal politics.

Back in 2010, few people were more keenly interested in the election than Warner himself. He was a candidate for parliament and a big-time backer of the then-opposition leader, Persad-Bissessar.

Campbell had landed in Trinidad in April 2010 to assist the opposition, which explains why the ruling party contrived to have him denied entry to the country. The government even sought to fine American Airlines for flying him in.

Ross Advertising is said to have nonetheless proven able to direct an Obama-style social media campaign that was instrumental in the oppositions victory.

Warner became a member of parliament. Persad-Bissessar became the prime minister and made Warner the new interior minister, allowing him to serve as acting prime minister when she traveled outside the country.

Warner remained a member of FIFAs executive committee as well as the head of CONCACAF, the governing body that oversees soccer in North America, Central America, and the Caribbean.

Warner seems to have been a kind of genius at grabbing FIFA funds. He reportedly raked in millions for a soccer Center of Excellence built on land he owned. He is said to have scored millions more that were intended for everything from bonuses for the Trinidad World Cup team to the countrys allocation of World Cup tickets. He allegedly pocketed a fortune collected for earthquake relief in Haiti. A photo shows him arriving at the scene of the disaster shouldering half a case of bottled water.

Warner is also alleged to have taken millions in bribes for votes on which countries should host the World Cup. Court papers charge him with taking $10 million from South Africa.

He is further said to have accepted some $2 million in connection with Qatars successful bid. That money was paid to Jamad Limited in 2011, the Warner-owned company that paid out the money to the advertising firm that same year.

As minister of the interior, Warner would have been in a position to ensure that a Qatari representative had no trouble passing through customs in Trinidad with more than $1 million in alleged bribe money.

A chunk of that cash was divided into $40,000 batches and placed in manila envelopes, to be distributed to members of the Caribbean soccer association who were addressed by the Qatari representative.

One devoutly honest member was so shocked by the bribe attempt that he photographed the money and reported it to Chuck Blazer, the general secretary of CONCACAF. Blazer happened to be Warners prime partner in graft.

Blazer apparently understood that if he did nothing, the honest member was sure to go elsewhere. Blazer reported the bribe attempt to FIFA, declaring himself outraged. FIFA declared itself outraged and ordered an inquiry.

The inquiry diligently catalogued numerous misdeeds by both Warner and Blazer. Warner was expelled. A FIFA official made a pronouncement whose irony would only become apparent later.

In the case of Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer this has far bigger implications than just [FIFAs] Ethics Committee, or the rules of the game, said Domenico Scala, the head of FIFAs Audit and Compliance Committee, at a press conference. There is sufficient suspicion that they have gone against the law and this will become an issue for the FBI and the IRS.

Scala added, So here the Ethics Committee and the world of FIFA stops; and people who have gone against the law will have to deal with the law.

In Trinidad, Prime Minister Persad-Bissessar declared herself outraged and disowned Warner. He announced that he was resigning as both a minister and a member of parliament.

But in the very next breath he announced that he would be running to replace himself in that very same seat in parliament when the special election was held 90 days hence.

The character assassination, the slander, the ridicule of my family, and the abandonment of longtime friendsin spite of the hurt, in spite of the indignities I have experienced, I stand here tonight void of hatred, animosity, or ill will for my political leader, he insisted.

Warner ran as a candidate of a new political party he founded for that express reason and won.

Thank you for this resounding victory, he told the election night crowd.

Warner seems to have been seeking revenge against FIFA and Blatter in particular when he leaked a handwritten note to himself from the organizations general secretary, Jrme Valcke. It concerned a deal in which Warner paid $1 million for television rights for the 2010 and 2014 World Cup in the Caribbean region.

Here is the agreement signed by the P [President Blatter]. This deal has not been through all normal boards or comm, the note read. Hence so Im asking to make no publicity on it for the time being. Kind regards, Jrme.

Warner now suggested that Blatter had made the deal essentially to purchase Warners support in FIFA. Warner subsequently sold the rights, turning his $1 million into $20 million.

By then, Warner and Blazer had indeed reached the attention of the FBI and the IRS. Blazer agreed to become an informant, apparently telling all he knew about Warner, which was a great deal. Blazer also used a miniature microphone concealed in a keychain to record conversations with other FIFA officials.

Warner was among the 14 FIFA officials and associates past and present who were indicted. Blatter managed to get reelected, but then a letter surfaced from the South African Football Association to none other than General Secretary Valcke of FIFA. The letter asked that $10 million earmarked for South Africa instead go to a program that was founded by Warner.

Blazer had told investigators that Warner had received a $10 million bribe from the South Africans. Valcke is just a step away from Blatter, who suddenly announced his intention to resign less than a week after his reelection.

Warner was arrested in Trinidad and held overnight before being freed on bail. He arrived in parliament the following day apologizing for having missed the previous session.

I was in prison, he explained. For charges I know nothing about.

At a series of press conferences and appearances, Warner pledged to fight extradition to the United States and continue his present campaign for another term in parliament. He seems to think that reelection will make him less likely to end up in a Brooklyn courtroom facing 20 years or more.

Warner seems to have been seeking to score with his constituents as well as revenge himself on both Blatter and Persad-Bissessar by alleging that FIFA sought to influence the 2010 election in Trinidad through him.

I cannot remain silent any longer! Warner declared.

The Trinidad government said it was sending copies of the Jamad checks to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who had launched the FIFA investigation when she was the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn. Persad-Bissessar dismissed Warners allegations as fiction.

I, Kamla, received no money from Jack Warner, she told a local newspaper. That is the Gods truth. I cannot speak to any contractual arrangement the gentleman would have had with Ross Advertising or any other advertising agency.

By then, newspapers and sites around the world were announcing that Warner had promised to tell all.

Just watch out for what Jack Warner fails to say about Jack Warner.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 07, 2015, 05:21:45 AM
Bribe $$ to repay credit card, bank loan
By Camini Marajh (Express).


Indicted football administrator and one of two of Interpol's most wanted FIFA official, Jack Warner spent a significant portion of the US$10 million bribe he collected from South Africa on paying off credit card debt and a personal loan held in a Republic bank account in his name, according to a US law enforcement source.

More than half of the bribe money sent from FIFA's UBS account in Zurich, Switzerland, in 2008 to three Warner controlled RBL accounts went towards what the US-issued indictment described as scheme #1- Wire Fraud and Money Laundering, or black market currency trade through legitimate Trinidad-owned businesses like the JTA Group and International Shipping Ltd (ISL), among others, sources with knowledge of the situation have disclosed.

Both business interests have confirmed, in separate and short interviews with the Sunday Express, that they unknowingly facilitated Warner's money laundering by purchasing US dollar bank drafts from his personal accountant and main man of business, Kenny Rampersad.

Rampersad is a certified accountant with offices at 3A Queen's Park West, Port of Spain, and was the beneficiary of all of the accounting briefs from four of the football bodies associated with Warner, including CONCACAF, the regional football body for North and Central America and the Caribbean and the CFU (Caribbean Football Union).

The US indictment, unsealed by a Brooklyn, New York, USA, court on May 27, in detailing the wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering charges against Warner, pointed to his decades- old use of business and other intermediaries to launder vast flows of corruptly received cash through currency trade transactions and financial structuring of the TTD repayments to a slew of Warner-controlled bank accounts.

The indictment did not identify Warner's co-conspirators by name in the money laundering scheme but it cited a Trinidadian businessman whose identity is known to the Grand Jury and a large local supermarket chain and real estate and investment company, controlled by the unnamed businessman.

Carl Mack, owner and director of the JTA Group and a director of One Caribbean Media (OCM), the holding company for the CCN Group and owner of the Trinidad Express Newspapers, said all of the foreign currency purchases from Warner were done by his accountant, Rampersad, who also happened to be Warner's accountant-in-chief.

Rishi-Nirvan Balroop, financial controller of ISL, in a two-paragraph statement on the USD currency trades, said: ISL purchased US dollars during a period in which the currency was extremely difficult to obtain to facilitate our regular business transactions. We dealt only with the accounting and consultancy firm, Kenny Rampersad & Co, which facilitated these transactions.

At no point was ISL ever in a position to investigate or suspect the source of these funds and we discharged our responsibilities in accordance with industry norms and standards, said Balroop, adding that ISL found Rampersad from the well-established accounting and consultancy firms known in the country.

Both men said they never dealt with Warner.

According to the US-laid indictment, the world governing body for football, FIFA, made three wire transfers in as many months in 2008 to three Warner controlled Republic Bank accounts totalling US$10 million as a kickback for his 2004 vote for South Africa to host the 2010 World Cup.

US Department of Justice documents, which quoted Warner's long time partner in graft, Chuck Blazer, detailed the bribe payment made by the South African Football Association (SAFA) through FIFA's Zurich account after the African nation encountered difficulty in making the payment directly to Warner.

A leaked letter from the SAFA to FIFA's general secretary, Jerome Valcke, twice specified that FIFA give Warner control of diverted SAFA funds to a Warner creation called the African Diaspora Legacy Programme.

US sources, however, told the Sunday Express that very little of the US$10 million bribe money went towards the development of football in the Caribbean.

More than half of the corrupt payment was cleaned through a series of structured TTD repayments to a plethora of Warner-controlled bank accounts, including CONCACAF, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), C.O.N.C.A.C.A.F. Centre of Excellence, a parallel account which this newspaper wrote about last year, The Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence and two of his private companies CCAM and Co Ltd and Renraw Investments Ltd.

On this bribe transaction alone, over US$4.8 million worth of US bank drafts were sold to the JTA group and US$300K to ISL, according to a US source familiar with the case.

The structured TTD repayment was said to have been made through a bundle of smaller payments to myriad Warner-controlled bank accounts.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on June 07, 2015, 07:36:20 PM
A BBC investigation has seen evidence that details what happened to the $10m sent from Fifa to accounts controlled by former vice-president Jack Warner. The money, sent on behalf of South Africa, was meant to be used for its Caribbean diaspora legacy programme. But documents suggest Mr Warner used the payment for cash withdrawals, personal loans and to launder money.

https://www.youtube.com/v/q11ak5HxAx8
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 08, 2015, 05:30:17 AM
Tiger hired to hunt down Jacks $$
By Denyse Renne (Express).


Tiger Capital Ltd, an unknown firm retained by The Office of the Attorney General (AG) last year and paid $1,750,000, was hired to compile the finances of Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner.

Sources told the Sunday Express that the firm was retained by head of the Central Authority, Netram Kowlessar, who acted on the advice of then AG Anand Ramlogan.

Warner was arrested on May 27 and is before the courts on a provisional extradition warrant, following an indictment by a US Grand jury on charges of racketeering and money laundering while holding the position of FIFA vice president.

He is due to re-appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayres Caeser on July 9.

He was granted $2.5 million bail but spent a night in prison as his property deed was not in order.

Sources told the Sunday Express that the firms instructions were to retrieve information both locally and internationally about Warners finances and their investigation ran parallel to that of the United States.

Sources further say that this investigation was a private one and whatever information gathered would be used on a political platform.

Stressing that the AGs office in the past has used accounting firms such as Deloitte and Ernst and Young when conducting forensic financial probes through the Central Authority and also the Office of the AG, sources say the investigation conducted on the accounts belonging to Warner remains a mystery.

The Sunday Express on Friday contacted Ramlogan and posed four questions to him.

The questions were:

1) The financial information gathered by Tiger Capital Ltd on ILP leader Jack Warner, was this passed to US law enforcement?

2) Why did you recommend this firm, as opposed to Ernst and Young and other reputable firms?

3) Information reaching the Express, suggests that the financial information obtained by Tiger Capital Ltd will be used for political purposes. Can you comment on this?

4) Was Tiger Capital Ltd retained for political purposes?

Ramlogan said, I am now a private citizen, please direct your questions elsewhere. The call was then disconnected.

Efforts to call Ramlogan again were unsuccessful.

Contacted by the Sunday Express on May 29, Attorney General Garvin Nicholas was asked whether Tiger Capital was retained to obtain Warners finances.

Nicholas said, I wouldnt want to make a comment on that right now.

Asked whether a separate invoice totalling $1.7 million submitted by the company earlier this year had been paid by his office, Nicholas said no.

Asked why, the AG said, I wouldnt want to comment right now on that either.

Last year and earlier this year, queries were raised within the accounts department of the Office of the AG as to who exactly is Tiger Capital Ltd.

Kowlessar when questioned by the Sunday Express has refused to answer any questions regarding Tiger Capital and how the company was retained, stating such matters are confidential.

In a statement issued on April 10, Nicholas said: The fees paid to Tiger Capital total $1,750,000 were for services rendered in conjunction with senior counsel for the extensive analysis of many complex financial documents in the exercise of mutual assistance obligations with the United States of America and the Central Authority.

Checks by the Sunday Express with the Ministry of Legal Affairs Company Registry, showed Tiger Capital Ltd was registered on November 23, 2004, by attorney Rudyard Davidson.

On the November 22, 2004, application form, the company names financial services consultant Kenny Soodhoo and businesswoman Monique Pillai as directors.

Soodhoo is no stranger to controversy. In 1997, under the United National Congress regime, he was employed as the director at National Petroleum (NP) and was also the head of the Project Implementation Unit.

Prior to being employed at NP, Soodhoo was fired by State-owned bank First Citizens following a complex and controversial transaction.

In 1996, First Citizens Merchant Bank (FCMB) dismissed Soodhoo following questions over a loan transaction.

Soodhoo was the managing director at FCMB.

According to the documents, under Change of Directors, on November 20, 2013, proprietor Winston Samuel Russell of Caledonia Road, Lange Park, Chaguanas, was appointed a director.

On that same date, Pillai ceased to hold office as director.

As of November 5, 2014, Soodhoo and Russell remained directors.

On December 9, 2014, contractor Clement Nazim Ali, of Curepe, was appointed director. That same day, Russell ceased to hold office. Soodhoo was then appointed secretary.

When the Sunday Express visited the 16B McInroy Street, Curepe, address of Tiger Capital Ltd two months ago, there was an empty plot of land.

A visit to the same location on June 5 resulted in the Sunday Express speaking with a relative of Ali who did not want to be named.

The relative said that Ali is a handyman by trade and has never received any shares from Tiger Capital Ltd.

The relative said Ali only found out that he was a director in the company following media reports.

The relative said that Ali, also called Toad, was working on a building when he was asked by someone to sign a document. He did so without questioning its contents.

Checks with residents in the area revealed that no one had ever heard of the business Tiger Capital Ltd being located at the given address.

On November 18,2014, Tiger Capital Ltd was paid by the Office of the AG for legal advice. On December 9, the company filed its annual returns for 2014.

Several efforts over the past months to contact Soodhoo have been unsuccessful.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 09, 2015, 02:07:27 AM
Now John Oliver takes on Jack Warner
By Gerard Best (Express).


US-based English comedian John Oliver will air a five-minute special on T&T television tomorrow night.

The special, called John Oliver: The mittens of disapproval are on, comes in direct response to a seven-minute special aired by disgraced former National Security Minister and Fifa Vice President Jack Warner last week.

Warner's special was titled Jack Warner: The gloves are off. In it, he said he had compiled a series of documents, including checks and corroborated statements, and placed them in "unexpected hands, putting all his alleged Fifa co-conspirators on watch.

Oliver is host of the Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, which airs Sunday nights on HBO. He is also co-host of weekly podcast The Bugle, alongside comedian Andy Zaltzman. And he's used both platforms to tear into Fifa and its president Sepp Blatter. This entire Last Week Tonight segment was devoted the topic.

And the latest Bugle podcast is a compilation of the duo's material about Fifa. (Both contain explicit language).

On last night's programme, Oliver didn't give too much away but encouraged fans to tune in on Tuesday, saying, We had more to say to Jack Warner than we had room for here."

The special airs Tuesday at 9:01 pm on CCN TV6.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 09, 2015, 09:36:12 AM
Report: FIFA's Jack Warner accused of taking $750,000 intended for Haiti earthquake relief

According to a shocking report from The BBC, Jack Warner, the former FIFA vice-president who was one of the 14 indicted on racketeering and bribery charges by the U.S. Department of Justice, once had $750,000 of FIFA funds intended for 2010 Haiti earthquake relief diverted to banks accounts he controlled.

[Warner] visited the country in 2010 and raised $750,000 from FIFA and the Korean Football Association to help rebuild the country after the disaster, the BBC reports. The U.S. Department of Justice is now investigating the disappearance of that money.

From the Guardian:

In 2012, the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) claimed that funds donated for Haiti were paid into a bank account controlled by Warner. It said the money from Fifa ($250,000) and the South Korean FA ($500,000) was paid into a TTFF account it claimed only Warner a special adviser to the federation controlled.

At the time, Warner said the allegations were a conspiracy: I have nothing to answer to anybody. Who wants to make allegations, make allegations. FIFA froze its funding to the TTFF.

Warner has denied any wrongdoing in the indictments.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/report-fifas-jack-warner-accused-of-taking-750000-intended-for-haiti-earthquake-relief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 09, 2015, 09:51:43 AM
Would like to know Rodent's, Scampito's and Uncle Tim's responses to this as all 3 were perfectly positioned for years and years to see the shady bullcrap going on.
Birds of a feather ....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mose on June 09, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
Report: FIFA's Jack Warner accused of taking $750,000 intended for Haiti earthquake relief

According to a shocking report from The BBC, Jack Warner, the former FIFA vice-president who was one of the 14 indicted on racketeering and bribery charges by the U.S. Department of Justice, once had $750,000 of FIFA funds intended for 2010 Haiti earthquake relief diverted to banks accounts he controlled.
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/report-fifas-jack-warner-accused-of-taking-750000-intended-for-haiti-earthquake-relief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567

But this is not news.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 09, 2015, 10:19:38 AM
Report: FIFA's Jack Warner accused of taking $750,000 intended for Haiti earthquake relief

According to a shocking report from The BBC, Jack Warner, the former FIFA vice-president who was one of the 14 indicted on racketeering and bribery charges by the U.S. Department of Justice, once had $750,000 of FIFA funds intended for 2010 Haiti earthquake relief diverted to banks accounts he controlled.
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/06/report-fifas-jack-warner-accused-of-taking-750000-intended-for-haiti-earthquake-relief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567

But this is not news.

ENT
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 09, 2015, 12:06:16 PM
Letter to the Editor: Maybe Jack is our poster-boy
Trinidad Express


I cant understand what the preoccupation is with Jack Warner and alleged bribes. After all, this is sweet T&T.

I applied for a firearm users licence and the police officer asked me to give him a gift to recommend the application. My son went to apply for a driving licence and the instructor asked if I want the full package. When I inquired what the full package entails, he said my son doesnt have to do any test and he would bring home the driving licence.

I am a developer and I develop lands and build houses. I am yet to meet an honest building inspector. Maybe I just work in the wrong areas. But every district I work in the building officer makes it clear, to fast track the application, I need to either sell him/her a lot cheap or I need to give them an incentive to speed up the application. I go to public health department and its the same thing. Mind you, I would be ashamed asking for an incentive, but these guys have no scruples. They just come out and ask.

No one is dealing with corrupt Government officials. So back to my first question Why the pre-occupation with Jack Warner? If the allegations are true, we are a nation of corrupt people. Its just that he would have reached the pinnacle of his profession.

Elaine Peters

via e-mail
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 09, 2015, 12:10:24 PM
Letter to the Editor: Real causes for shame and scandal
Trinidad Express


It has been said, and repeated on many occasions, since the recent indictment of Austin Jack Warner in a US court that he is an embarrassment to Trinidad and Tobago; and that he has brought shame to this tiny nation. I respectfully disagree with such an assessment.

I am not a fan of Mr Warner, or anyone or anything that vaguely resembles a politician in this land. But fair should be fair: Jack must be given his jacket. This debacle surrounding Mr Warner is nothing new. The writing has been on the wall for years now. Yet the same man, referred to in many circles as Uncle Jack, who people were lining up from 1 a.m. outside his office where he worked as a La Diablesse', to accommodate their demands, has been thrown under the proverbial bus.

One of my fondest memories of Trinidad and Tobago was the pride shared amongst our people when our footballers took centrestage in a distant land, while our national flag flew on virtually every vehicle (I flew two). The memory still gives me goosebumps years later as the pride we felt, facilitated by Uncle Jack, has never been replicated in my 20 years as a repatriated citizen.

For the last five years we were reminded that FIFA's business was not T&T's business, conveniently. Mr Warner was so well loved that he resigned from Parliament and fought the incumbent Government that had all the resources of the state for the Chaguanas West seat, and retained it.

To say today that Mr Warner is an embarrassment to T&T while Ish and Steve cannot be extradited on some technicalities is hypocritical at best. What I find more embarrassing is that a year has gone by, yet no one has been charged with the murder of Dana Seetahal, despite being reminded by the Police Service that arrests are imminent.

Equally embarrassing is a President who admonishes our children to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do yet refuses to do the right thing when it comes to accepting a housing allowance from the State to the tune of $28,000 per month, while occupying luxurious State property.

Jack Warner is no more an embarrassment to this nation than Bernie Madoff was to the US. Yet I never recall anyone saying that Bernie Madoff or Monica Lewinsky were embarrassments to the US. When former AG Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj ignored the Privy Council's ruling and hanged nine persons in three days, he was not called an embarrassment to this nation.

As a matter of fact, he was upholding the law.

This brings me to that oft-used term: the law, and how it is applied in this land. Never was Abu Bakr, Dole Chadee or Lance Small ever described as an embarrassment to this land.

It has long been recognised that there are distinct laws operating for different people: one for those well connected and the other, well...crapaud smoke we pipe. While many of us may despise what Mr Warner allegedly did, for the many who benefitted from Uncle Robin Hood he continues to be a hero.

Rudy Chato Paul

D'Abadie
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 09, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
Letter to the Editor: What Mr Warner needs to do
Trinidad Express


I recently compared the exclusion of Shivnarine Chanderpaul from the West Indies team by comparing his inability to retire with that of certain politicians in our region. To my mind one must retire with grace, something sorely lacking in our regions politics and most recently, was evident in the Chanderpaul debacle.

Since then I have been observing the latest Jack Warner investigation and extradition request by the US. I mean, theoretically, Mr Warner can become the prime minister of this country!

It is imperative for me to state that Mr Warner is innocent until proven guilty. However, this FIFA scandal is of international proportions. The world is looking on. Whether one believes that the US Justice Department and the UK media are in cahoots because of sour grapes of some sort, one must still analyse this situation.

The fact remains that T&T will be looked at as a banana republic should Mr Warner contest our general elections. Nowhere else in the developed world would you see a man under this sort of investigation contesting general elections and/or aspiring to be the prime minister of a country.

Perhaps Mr Warner did good things for this country and football in general over the years. However, the real question is simple; what is the dignified and honourable thing to do?

Douglas C Bayley

Valsayn
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bitter on June 09, 2015, 07:08:58 PM
John Oliver was on too short. I wanted to hear more trini talk.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 10, 2015, 01:59:14 AM
U.S $1.2m bribe for Jack.
By Camini Marajh (Express).


Former FIFA presidential candidate paid Warner to arrange infamous Hyatt meeting for votes

Disgraced former vice-president of FIFA (Fdration Internationale de Football Association) and MP for Chaguanas West Jack Warner allegedly collected a US$1.2 million bribe from former FIFA presidential candidate and Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam for arranging the infamous May 2011 cash-for-votes meeting at the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad) hotel in Port of Spain, according to documents seen by the Express.

Warner has repeatedly denied the bribe-paying allegations of packaged US$40,000 envelope inducements handed out to Caribbean Football Union (CFU) delegates, but US investigators say he was handsomely rewarded for his role in the affair with a US$1.2 million kickback from the former president of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) and former FIFA presidential candidate.

Documents obtained by the Express show bin Hammam paid a US$1,212,000 wire transfer to a private Warner account held at Intercommercial Bank Ltd, Chaguanas branch, on July 14, 2011, some two months after the failed bribe attempt to influence the 2011 presidential vote in football's world governing body, FIFA.

According to a US Department of Justice (DOJ) document, the US$1.2 million bribe followed a failed attempt a month earlier by a bin Hammam-owned company, Khalid Electrical and Mechanical Est (Kemco), to route three wire transfer payments totalling US$1.2 million through a US bank to separate accounts controlled by Warner's indicted sons, Daryan and Daryll, and his personal assistant.

US banks raise red flags

The June 2011 scheme collapsed after the transaction was red-flagged by a US bank which requested further information relating to the purpose of the transfers, according to the DOJ document.

E-mail correspondence, bank records, witness testimony and other documents, said the DOJ, revealed that after the initial attempt to wire the money failed, Warner's personal assistant e-mailed bin Hammam's office with a template suggesting how Kemco should word the purpose for the transfer of funds.

Kemco subsequently sent to the banks letters incorporating the suggested language, said the DOJ document, adding notably, each letter provided a different explanation as to the purpose of the proposed transfer. The letter to the bank where the account of Warner's assistant was held stated that the transfer, in the amount of US$412,000, was intended to offset expenses associated with meetings held in Trinidad and Tobago, Zurich, Switzerland and New York, USA of delegates and officers of the Caribbean.

The Kemco correspondence advised that the US$412,000 payment represented costs associated with airfare, accommodation, logistics related to meetings, interpretation equipment and services, among other things.

The Kemco explanation for a US$432,000 payment to Daryll Warner's account was to offset legal expenses incurred by legal counsel in Trinidad in an ongoing matter.

The reason provided for the third wire transfer payment in the amount of US$368,000 to Daryan was to offset legal expenses for foreign lawyers as well as for expenses associated with meetings of delegates and officers of the CFU in the Caribbean.

But even after receipt of these further explanations, the recipient banks still asked more questions, said the DOJ document, adding that on June 22, 2011, Warner's assistant advised Kemco to just give the banks a new storyline.

The revised story relating to a contract between the Qatari company and Warner's two sons and personal assistant based on their so-called relationship, understanding and history with all the players, regionally and internationally failed to pass scrutiny and the banks refused to accept the wire transfers.

Direct payment to Warner one month later

Unable to obtain the bin Hammam money through his several intermediaries, Warner accepted a direct payment to his private Intercommercial Bank account one month later on July 14, 2011, according to the DOJ document.

The money was wired from a Kemco corporate account at a Doha Bank in Qatar through Wells Fargo Bank NA to Intercommercial Branch at 111 Wall Street, New York. The actual transfer amount flowing from the wealthy Gulf state was for US$1,211,980, but the currency adjustment saw a figure of US$1,211,000.

The DOJ document said prosecutors involved in the FIFA corruption investigation believe that: Warner first attempted to have these funds wired through intermediaries to avoid detection. When that failed, the funds were transferred directly from Kemco to Warner.

Investigators pointed to:

1. Warner's efforts to conceal the transfer of funds;

2. The inconsistent explanations provided for the payments;

3. The absence of any known legitimate business relationship between Kemco and Warner.

The DOJ document stated: The funds appear to be monies paid by bin Hammam to Warner in connection with his assistance in facilitating the bribery of the CFU officials who attended the May 2011 meeting and for his continuing support thereafter when the bribery scheme was uncovered.

US investigators found that prior to the transfer of funds to Warner's Intercommercial Bank account in Trinidad, bin Hammam attempted to transfer the funds to Warner's Cayman account at Fidelity Bank in the name of J&D International. The bank where Warner's former pal and indicted Concacaf (Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football) president Jeffrey Webb was a consultant refused to accept the Kemco wire transfer.

Prosecutors surmised that: Warner, by means of an international wire transfer that travelled through the United States, received payments in Intercommercial Bank account 373498-0401 connected to a bribery scheme, in violation of his duties to FIFA, CONCACAF and the CFU, and thus used that account to commit and facilitate the commission of honest-services wire fraud.

The wire transfer, as well as the attempted transfers that preceded it, also constitutes money laundering, as it and the prior transfers were designed to promote and conceal the fraud.

US$220,000 to Daryan for 'child support'

The source of funds declaration, signed by Warner, said the bin Hammam payment was for: professional advisory services.

A supporting letter from bin Hammam's private company, dated July 14, 2011, said: This is to advise that monies in the amount of US$1,2 million was wire transferred to Mr Jack Warner by Kemco to offset professional services provided over the period 2005-2010. The address he provided for Kemco was PO Box 2642, Doha, Qatar.

At a time when a players court dispute threatened to make him a party to the proceedings, Warner is said to have used US$778,774.30 of the bribe payment from bin Hammam to settle an outstanding debt to the Soca Warriors.

The US document cited the six-figure payment made to the Registrar of the Supreme Court. He also provided a US$200,000 payment to Daryan for ''child support''.

As reported in a special Warner series published in this newspaper, bin Hammam also made a US$250,000 payment to Warner in 2008 and provided a US$363,537.98 wire transfer payment to a Republic Bank CFU account controlled by the ex-regional football jefe in April 2011 to take care of the associated costs related with arranging the infamous Hyatt meeting in Port of Spain.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 10, 2015, 02:07:59 AM
Warner wanted US$7m for votes
T&T Newsday Reports.


FORMER FIFA vice-president and top football administrator Jack Warner has been accused by a former Egyptian Cabinet Minister of requesting US$7 million in exchange for seven votes to host the 2010 FIFA World Cup, according to an AFP report.

Aley Eddine Helal, former Minister of Youth and Sports, said on Sunday that Warner, who is now at the heart of a corruption scandal engulfing footballs world governing body, asked for the money in 2004.

According to the report, Helal was quoted as saying, Warner was the one who approached us from FIFA. He said he could guarantee us seven votes. He asked for US$1 million for each vote.

Egypt, one of African footballs most dominant countries, was a candidate to host the 2010 World Cup, but it received no votes in the 2004 FIFA ballot. South Africa was chosen to host the tournament.

Youssef el-Dahshori, who was Egyptian Football Association president at the time, was quoted as saying, we didnt pay any bribes. That was one of the reasons why we didnt get any votes.

El-Dahshori also claimed that he met Warner in the United Arab Emirates who proposed to be Egypts consultant in Latin America and Europe.

He wanted to take US$7 million for seven votes, and said he wouldnt take the money for himself but for developing the sport in Latin America, said Dahshori, stressing that he had refused Warners offer.

Warner was indicted by the United States for a slew of charges, including allegedly taking a US$10 million bribe to help South Africa win the race to host the 2010 World Cup.

FIFA admitted in a statement last week that it had processed a US$10 million payment from South Africa to Warner, who is one of 14 people facing charges of involvement in more than US$150 million of bribes to soccer officials.

Yesterday, it was also revealed that Alejandro Burzaco, an Argentine businessman who was indicted by American authorities in connection to the FIFA corruption saga, surrendered to the Italian police yesterday.

Burzaco, accused of being involved in a US$110 million bribe, was placed under house arrest after a hearing in the northern Italian city of Bolzano.

The 50-year-old Burzaco, who has dual Argentine-Italian nationality, has rented a house in Bolzano.

Burzaco was one of 14 people indicted by US authorities on May 27 on bribery, vote-rigging and other corruption charges. Seven of the indicted men were arrested during dawn raids on a luxury Zurich hotel.

Burzaco was named on Interpols most wanted list last Wednesday, along with five other men with ties to FIFA. Burzaco and Hugo and Mariano Jinkis, also from Argentina, were named in the US indictment saying they bribed soccer officials in exchange for the media and commercial rights to international tournaments.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 10, 2015, 02:14:03 AM
HBO comic in TV rant to Warner.
By Richard Charan (Express).


Everybody hates you now

Family, watch meh for a minute, nah!

And with that bit of local parlance, British funny man John Oliver spoke directly to the people of Trinidad Tobago in a paid address on TV6 last night, calling on accused fraudster Jack Warner to release the documents he claims to have that implicate FIFA (Fdration Internationale de Football Association) in crookedness.

Oliver titled his four-minute address The Mittens of Disapproval Are On in response to Warner's address to the nation last week titled Jack Warner: The Gloves Are Off, and called out Warner on his threat to tell all.

Using sarcasm and silliness, Oliver said Warner, an absolutely terrible human being, owed it to the world to speak up, and that for once, Warner not think of himself first.

Comedian John Oliver on TV6 (courtesy HBO/ Last Week Tonight)

Oliver, host of HBO's news satire Last Week Tonight, has been using his programme to excoriate FIFA, its disgraced president, Sepp Blatter, and the FIFA officials who found themselves arrested, indicted, fighting extradition or added to an Interpol international wanted list, Warner among them.

Oliver, an avid football supporter, suggested Warner tell all he knew since his son had already pleaded guilty and he had nothing to lose.

Read 'Comic backlash for Jack'

It not like you not already potentially in a lot of trouble. Seriously, I have been looking through the indictment and... good luck with that. Cause apparently your sons are already co-operating with the US authorities, so if you don't it would be quite awkward, said Oliver.

Everybody hates you now, I mean literally, everybody. I think it has something to do with you seeming like an absolutely terrible human being. But if you turn on FIFA, do not underestimate how much people might be willing to forgive and if one day you end up in jail and you're staring up at the ceiling, wouldn't you be happy to know you took some people down with you?

It's like they say. Snitches gets smooches. That's what they say. That's the phrase. So please release the documents, Mr Warner, and you may yet salvage your complete tattered reputation. I'm sure FIFA's goons might come for you, but like they say, 'Doh hurt yuh head', Oliver added.

What Oliver said on TV6 last night:

"Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago.
Sorry for interrupting your regular programming which is, as I understand it, is ' Mike and Molly' starring Melissa McCarthy and a man. My name is John Oliver and I would like to talk to you for a few minutes about FIFA and more specifically Jack Warner.

Last week, he spoke to you on this very channel TV6 and promised/threatened to reveal large amounts of incriminating FIFA documents, and since his preferred mode of communications is evidently purchased time on Trinidad's TV6, I have bought this time in the hope that he is watching TV6.

Furthermore, I have actually Googled some Trinidadian slangs to help me get my message across so um um. 'Family watch me for a minute nah!' 'What's the scene?' 'I know you getting tabanca right now.'

I'd just pause for a second to allow the people of Trinidad to laugh at the whitest person who ever lived attempting to speak Trini and instead but sounding real dotish ent, but aye aye... Let's put that aside, Trinidad.

The point is Mr Warner, do not blue-ball the entire planet by promising spectacular FIFA revelations and not delivering. I am begging you. Release everything because here is my argument. Why the hell not? It's not like you not already potentially in a lot of trouble. Seriously, I have been looking through the indictment and good luck with that. Cause apparently your sons are already co-operating with the US authorities, so if you don't it would be quite awkward.
And finally, I'll be honest. This is my main reason. I'm pretty sure you have some absolutely hilarious examples of FIFA corruption. Just look at your former colleague, Chuck Blazer. Since he turned informant for the FBI, we found out that he had an apartment in Trump Tower for the use of his cats. For the use of his cats! We also discovered his love of Halloween costumes because those are real photos (showing a photo). He was mistaken thinking that these photos are more frightening to look at than this, a regular photo of Chuck Blazer. I have no doubt, Mr Warner, that you know as many delicious secrets as he does, and you owe it to the whole world to tell us.

Why should you do it? Well, put it this way, and right now Jack, everybody hates you now, I mean literally, everybody. I think it's something to do with you seeming like an absolutely terrible human being. But if you turn on FIFA do not underestimate how much people might be willing to forgive and if one day you end up in jail and you're staring up at the ceiling, wouldn't you be happy to know you took some people down with you? It's like they say. Snitches gets smooches. That's what they say. That's the phrase. So please release the documents, Mr Warner, and you may yet salvage your complete tattered reputation. I'm sure FIFA's goons might come for you, but like they say, 'Doh hurt yuh head', which I believe means don't worry about it. For once, Mr Warner, don't think about yourself, think about everyone else.
Thank you for your time, Trinidad. I'll now return you to your regular programming, Mike and Molly. I believe this week's episode is called 'Melissa McCarthy still can't get out of her CBS contract'. So I simply say this, goodbye Trinidad, and of course Tobago."


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2015, 06:30:02 AM
"Rant"?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 10, 2015, 08:32:32 AM
"Rant"?
Didn't sound like a "rant" but I'll love to see the video.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on June 10, 2015, 09:26:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/7bVrnBrgGqc
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 10, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
From what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 10, 2015, 09:39:48 AM
From what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?

Yea they wasn"t vex when Jack say ask yuh mudder. How it showing that we allow somebody to come on we tv and embarrass we.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 10, 2015, 09:43:10 AM
The other video got disabled but I found this one.

https://www.youtube.com/v/alwba8V1csY

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 10, 2015, 11:24:40 AM
From what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?

Yea they wasn"t vex when Jack say ask yuh mudder. How it showing that we allow somebody to come on we tv and embarrass we.
the only way that could embarrass we is if we living a reality show called "Living with the Warners" . We always know Jack and company and as a matter of fact many so called leaders & upstanding ppl was robbing we blind..cause it's a way of life with we.. and when somebody point it out we say is only Jack...Bullshit..as long as we benefitting is all ah we...but nah, we going WC..so let we party, hold up we chest..then that done.. we back to is only Jack..then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-smart everybody..doh shame, come correct. no shame in that.. tell them
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 10, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
From what I'm hearing, allyuh back home vex about this?

Yea they wasn"t vex when Jack say ask yuh mudder. How it showing that we allow somebody to come on we tv and embarrass we.
the only way that could embarrass we is if we living a reality show called "Living with the Warners" . We always know Jack and company and as a matter of fact many so called leaders & upstanding ppl was robbing we blind..cause it's a way of life with we.. and when somebody point it out we say is only Jack...Bullshit..as long as we benefitting is all ah we...but nah, we going WC..so let we party, hold up we chest..then that done.. we back to is only Jack..then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-smart everybody..doh shame, come correct. no shame in that.. tell them

Yuh on de right track. There is hope if this kinda critique after introspection is allowed to fluorish with the necessary collective changes in societal behavior . Enough of the Harold Taylor-style " Jack is my friend" bullshit that prevents one from calling a spade a spade and discourages frowning on criminal or shady activity by associates. I wish Coop's was around so that we could talk about this important crisis in values that is destined to destroy the society if the Renraw value standard continues.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 10, 2015, 07:12:07 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/04/18/0B5A136C000005DC-3110498-David_Beckham_with_FIFA_President_Sepp_Blatter_and_Jack_Warner_l-a-5_1433437297680.jpg)

Caption that  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 10, 2015, 07:19:55 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/04/18/0B5A136C000005DC-3110498-David_Beckham_with_FIFA_President_Sepp_Blatter_and_Jack_Warner_l-a-5_1433437297680.jpg)

Caption that  :devil:
red shirt: ppl waitin for me in the hotel, and these clowns walkin slow slow slow
renraw: Ah feel this izza harem, cause I go blaze all ah dem
Bendman: finally, a WC back home in my time
Vampllater : ppl waitin for me in the hotel, and these clowns walkin slow slow slow
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 10, 2015, 07:55:37 PM
then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-

We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. So all those who voted for the coalition get what you deserve, the Trini toxic avenger. Kamla put him in position to rub it in PNM face. "We have a man with money, allyuh eh have none!". Rowley tell she, "this fifa man toxic". She say, "he is our rock!" Now he is quick sand, they trying to dump him on PNM. I eh shame. Jack was never my buddy. We on this website have been cussin him since 2006. We know what the man was made of. Coming to talk, " he make we shame". but yes,  ah friggin vex, oui!
Title: Jack Warner replies to John Oliver's CCN TV6 address
Post by: Tallman on June 11, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/bB7CBxfRUaw
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 11, 2015, 02:51:32 PM
Jack and JO going back and forth
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: grimm01 on June 11, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on June 11, 2015, 03:43:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/bB7CBxfRUaw


 :rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh hear the dramatic music score playing in the background... JW know a thing or two about theatrics
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 11, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh hear the dramatic music score playing in the background... JW know a thing or two about theatrics
Ent! That was the first thing I recognized lol
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Peong on June 11, 2015, 06:56:52 PM
The Jack supporters on facebook killin meh boy.
Allyuh hear Errol Fabien?  Clowns all over.

I think Fabien posts here sometimes.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 11, 2015, 07:21:03 PM
(http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/f92i87/picture23783404/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/476668432)

Former FIFA Vice President and Trinidad and Tobago lawmaker Jack Warner reacts Thursday to being photographed as he waits to sign in at the front desk of the Arouca Police Station as required under his bail agreement. Joe Raedel, Getty Images


I like how he chose a striped shirt to make his appearance :thumbsup:

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 12, 2015, 09:22:43 AM
from galvanize tv

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11119634_841702085898885_211195140570621774_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 12, 2015, 09:24:35 AM
then we make him minister..and whatever we get, but he doing a good job.. and we complain bout the other shady thing..and did nothing..and Now other ppl doing about the bad...and we shame and vex... we have to shame & vex with we self first, and clean up our own acts..grease hand, thiefing and tryin to trickidadian-

We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. So all those who voted for the coalition get what you deserve, the Trini toxic avenger. Kamla put him in position to rub it in PNM face. "We have a man with money, allyuh eh have none!". Rowley tell she, "this fifa man toxic". She say, "he is our rock!" Now he is quick sand, they trying to dump him on PNM. I eh shame. Jack was never my buddy. We on this website have been cussin him since 2006. We know what the man was made of. Coming to talk, " he make we shame". but yes,  ah friggin vex, oui!

CO-SIGNNNNN
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on June 12, 2015, 09:26:50 AM
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 12, 2015, 01:51:54 PM

We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. .......
WE is Trinidad & Tobago. No one man is an Island.. When the warriors win (or lose) is not them alone make that accomplishment. I unfortunately do not have opportunity to vote, but as you might know/remember Deeks, I got exiled to foreign, cause I don't let the chips fall where they may, if I'm in a position to express a protest. My parents probably saved my life, by allowing me different perspectives, helping me make better choices in who, what and when to stand up.
ps: I not vex.. remember I said, and meant, I rather we don't go World Cup. Yet, I didn't wish bad on the final decision made. WE went World Cup.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on June 12, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: allyuh hear the dramatic music score playing in the background... JW know a thing or two about theatrics
Ent! That was the first thing I recognized lol

The people who own de music say Jackie eh consult them.....hear nah....the gift that keeps on giving..

https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/photos/a.270658877995.143179.126206357995/10153398328392996/?type=1&fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/photos/a.270658877995.143179.126206357995/10153398328392996/?type=1&fref=nf)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 12, 2015, 02:51:36 PM

We this .... We that ......!!! Who is We, here? Not me! Maybe you voted for the party who put him in them positions. .......
WE is Trinidad & Tobago. No one man is an Island.. When the warriors win (or lose) is not them alone make that accomplishment. I unfortunately do not have opportunity to vote, but as you might know/remember Deeks, I got exiled to foreign, cause I don't let the chips fall where they may, if I'm in a position to express a protest. My parents probably saved my life, by allowing me different perspectives, helping me make better choices in who, what and when to stand up.
ps: I not vex.. remember I said, and meant, I rather we don't go World Cup. Yet, I didn't wish bad on the final decision made. WE went World Cup.

I understand the collective we. We put aside our differences for a cause.  But the minute UNC brought Jack on board,I at least, wanted nothing to do with them. Like I said before, the staying power of this forum was energize by the evil ways of Jack. How the hell you, me, we could embrace a political macajuel like Jack. We see what this man did with the Warriors. All the goodwill of 06 WC went thru the window like a tsunami when Jack treated the boys like shit. The irony of all irony, was Patos giving them 1 million each for their heroic performance in Germany.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 12, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
from galvanize tv

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/11119634_841702085898885_211195140570621774_o.jpg)

Some body need to tell him de truth what the means.

Hall Yuh Dutty Mudda C00nt

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 12, 2015, 10:37:17 PM

More U.S. TV fun. Keith Olbermann


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGeAd3TtPY
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 14, 2015, 07:55:31 AM
Ganja found at PM's home...and we hid it
By Denyse Renne (Express).


SMOKEOUT

Former national security minister Jack Warner has admitted he and former deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson were part of a plan to bury the alleged discovery of marijuana at the Phillipine home of the Prime Minister on April 12, 2013.

The Prime Minister was in New York, USA, at the time.

Warner also named Gary Griffith, then adviser to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal as being part of the plan to ensure there was no criminal probe into the alleged marijuana discovery.

Richardson, when contacted yesterday morning by the Sunday Express, refused to comment on the allegation made against him by the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and Chaguanas West MP.

In a statement dated June 6, 2015, submitted to Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette, who stamped and signed it, Warner outlined how Richardson came to Parliament and told him about the alleged drug find.

Warner's statement forms part of a dossier of documents and taped conversations he has promised to deliver to selected attorneys for safe keeping to expose corruption in the Government.

Warner is currently on bail and will re-appear at the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court on July 9. He has indicated he will be contesting any request by the US to have him extradited to answer charges of racketeering and money laundering.

The indictment against Warner follows four years of investigations by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) authorities into allegations of rampant and systemic corruption and rich self-dealing by FIFA officials.

On June 3, the US requested, through Interpol, that Warner and five other officials be placed on red notice.

Richardson retired from the Police Service in November 2013 and has been retained by the National Operations Centre as its strategic co-ordinator of Multi-Agency Co-ordinating Group. He has had his leave bought out on two occasions by the Government.

While in the Police Service, he headed several high-profile investigations, among them Emailgate.

The Sunday Express asked Richardson yesterday:

Mr Richardson, it is our information that you went to Parliament while it was in process on April 12, 2013, and met with Warner, where you informed him that four ounces of marijuana had been found outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home.

Richardson: I wouldn't comment on that.

Sunday Express: Do you recall that happening?

Richardson: I wouldn't be commenting on those matters.

Sunday Express: Is it that it didn't happen or you can't remember?

Richardson: Ms Renne, I said I will not be commenting on those matters.

Sunday Express: Shortly after this discovery, you left the service and were placed in charge of the Rapid Response Unit. Were you part of a cover-up, and this position your payment?

Richardson: Ms Renne, I would not be commenting on those matters. Have a great day.

On Friday evening, the Sunday Express was shown a copy of the police diary entry, which stated 113 grammes of marijuana were found on the Philippine premises around 7 a.m. on April 12, 2013, during a routine patrol.

Warner, in his statement to the JP, said Richardson came to Parliament on April 12, 2013, while a sitting was in progress and they went into a private room at the Parliament.

He said, The DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Phillipine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based in the amount it can be for the purpose of trafficking.

Warner said he was told by Richardson that Snr Supt of Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's detail and he (Richardson) would speak to Gould.

I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter, Warner wrote.

Moonilal advised that the Prime Minister be called and told what occurred since she was in New York at the time, according to Warner.

Warner said he did so and the PM seemed surprised and said that she should return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.

She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me.

I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it and up to today we did.

Contacted last Friday by the Sunday Express, Warner said he would not comment at this time, except to say, I will be revealing more at my meeting on Thursday night. I promised the PM, the gloves are off.

Countless calls to Persad-Bissessar and Moonilal on Friday and yesterday, as well as several text messages seeking a comment, went unanswered.

The Sunday Express also contacted press officer Francis Joseph, who said he would try to obtain a response from Persad-Bissessar, but up to press time last night there was no response.

The questions posed to the Prime Minister:

Good morning Mrs Persad-Bissessar. I am writing an article for tomorrow's paper and would like a comment from you. On or around April 2013, four ounces of marijuana were found at your Phillipine home. Can you confirm or deny?

Did Mr Mervyn Richardson have a conversation with you regarding this find?

Special Branch head: Richardson didn't tell me anything

The Sunday Express contacted Gary Gould yesterday morning. Gould is currently a DCP and also the deputy head at Special Branch.

Asked whether he knew about the find at the Prime Minister's residence in April 2013, Gould said, I'm not aware of this.

Quizzed on whether Richardson relayed this information to him, Gould said no.

Asked whether he was sure Richardson never informed him of the find, given that he (Gould) headed the Special Branch at the time, Gould said, Something like that, I would have remembered being told to me.

The Sunday Express asked whether it was mandatory such a report should have come to him. Gould say yes.

Contacted yesterday morning, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams said he needed an opportunity to look into the matter.

I have to look at the records of 2013 and I have no access to those records now. I'm sure if it's Special Branch, there would be records, Williams said.

Griffith responds: Ask the police

In an e-mailed response sent yesterday evening, Gary Griffith refused to confirm or deny he was privy to the alleged incident.

He instead told the Sunday Express to check with the police.

He said when he operated as a minister of National Security, I am obliged to still stress that it would be inappropriate to make any statement on any such allegation.

Based on this report, it would be the police who should comment on this allegation. Having said that, let me make it abundantly clear it is impossible for any Government official to give any police officer an order to cover up any matter that warrants a police investigation or a possible charge for someone committing a criminal offence. They have no authority to do so.

The Police Service comes under the Ministry of National Security for administration, policy and logistics support services.

It is not in any remote way under the authority of Government officials, inclusive of National Security, National Security Council or Office of the Prime Minister, for operational purposes, which includes investigations and reporting a crime.

For any further information reference the above, the T&T Police Service is the best avenue to answer any further questions.

Edited text of the statement by Jack Warner

My name is Jack Austin Warner.

I was elected to Parliament on May 24, 2010, for the Chaguanas West constituency, copping the highest number of votes for any one candidate in that election.

On June 1, 2010, I was appointed Minister of Works and Transport, and later Minister of Works and Infrastructure.

On June 25, 2012, I was appointed Minister of National Security, a post from which I resigned on April 20, 2013. Prior to this, I had acted as Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago on no less than four occasions. In fact, I was the first minister to be appointed by the Prime Minister to act for her when she had to travel in August 2010.

As Minister of National Security, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service was one of the agencies under my portfolio.

On Friday, April 12, 2013, DCP Mervyn Richardson came to Parliament (where sitting was in progress) and called me out. We went to a private room in the Parliament, where the DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Philippine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the Prime Minister's Philippine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based on the amount, it can be for the purpose of trafficking.

DCP Richardson also advised me that Senior Superintendent Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's security detail and that he would speak to him.

I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter.

He suggested that I should immediately call the Prime Minister overseas in New York and inform her, which I did.

The Prime Minister seemed surprised and said that she will return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.

She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me. I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that instead we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it, and up to today we did.

All of the above can be easily corroborated in the following ways:

1. By seeking the advice of Senior Superintendent Gary Gould, Head of the Special Branch;
2. By inspecting the police diary for the morning of April 12, 2013;
3. By seeking the advice on the matter from DCP Mervyn Richardson and Captain Gary Griffith. Consistent with his current behaviour, it will serve no useful purpose to interview Dr Moonilal;
4. TSTT (Telecommunications Services of Trinidad and Tobago) or DCP should be able to produce pictures of the marijuana which picture Richardson had on his mobile phone.

Respectfully submitted,
Jack Warner
Member of Parliament
Chaguanas West Constituency
June 6, 2015


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 14, 2015, 08:30:07 AM
Breds, 4 oz outside the window? Is this a joke or what?

Ganja found at PM's home...and we hid it
By Denyse Renne (Express).


SMOKEOUT

Former national security minister Jack Warner has admitted he and former deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson were part of a plan to bury the alleged discovery of marijuana at the Phillipine home of the Prime Minister on April 12, 2013.

The Prime Minister was in New York, USA, at the time.

Warner also named Gary Griffith, then adviser to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal as being part of the plan to ensure there was no criminal probe into the alleged marijuana discovery.

Richardson, when contacted yesterday morning by the Sunday Express, refused to comment on the allegation made against him by the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and Chaguanas West MP.

In a statement dated June 6, 2015, submitted to Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette, who stamped and signed it, Warner outlined how Richardson came to Parliament and told him about the alleged drug find.

Warner's statement forms part of a dossier of documents and taped conversations he has promised to deliver to selected attorneys for safe keeping to expose corruption in the Government.

Warner is currently on bail and will re-appear at the Port of Spain Magistrates' Court on July 9. He has indicated he will be contesting any request by the US to have him extradited to answer charges of racketeering and money laundering.

The indictment against Warner follows four years of investigations by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) authorities into allegations of rampant and systemic corruption and rich self-dealing by FIFA officials.

On June 3, the US requested, through Interpol, that Warner and five other officials be placed on red notice.

Richardson retired from the Police Service in November 2013 and has been retained by the National Operations Centre as its strategic co-ordinator of Multi-Agency Co-ordinating Group. He has had his leave bought out on two occasions by the Government.

While in the Police Service, he headed several high-profile investigations, among them Emailgate.

The Sunday Express asked Richardson yesterday:

Mr Richardson, it is our information that you went to Parliament while it was in process on April 12, 2013, and met with Warner, where you informed him that four ounces of marijuana had been found outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home.

Richardson: I wouldn't comment on that.

Sunday Express: Do you recall that happening?

Richardson: I wouldn't be commenting on those matters.

Sunday Express: Is it that it didn't happen or you can't remember?

Richardson: Ms Renne, I said I will not be commenting on those matters.

Sunday Express: Shortly after this discovery, you left the service and were placed in charge of the Rapid Response Unit. Were you part of a cover-up, and this position your payment?

Richardson: Ms Renne, I would not be commenting on those matters. Have a great day.

On Friday evening, the Sunday Express was shown a copy of the police diary entry, which stated 113 grammes of marijuana were found on the Philippine premises around 7 a.m. on April 12, 2013, during a routine patrol.

Warner, in his statement to the JP, said Richardson came to Parliament on April 12, 2013, while a sitting was in progress and they went into a private room at the Parliament.

He said, The DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Phillipine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the PM's Phillipine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based in the amount it can be for the purpose of trafficking.

Warner said he was told by Richardson that Snr Supt of Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's detail and he (Richardson) would speak to Gould.

I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter, Warner wrote.

Moonilal advised that the Prime Minister be called and told what occurred since she was in New York at the time, according to Warner.

Warner said he did so and the PM seemed surprised and said that she should return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.

She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me.

I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it and up to today we did.

Contacted last Friday by the Sunday Express, Warner said he would not comment at this time, except to say, I will be revealing more at my meeting on Thursday night. I promised the PM, the gloves are off.

Countless calls to Persad-Bissessar and Moonilal on Friday and yesterday, as well as several text messages seeking a comment, went unanswered.

The Sunday Express also contacted press officer Francis Joseph, who said he would try to obtain a response from Persad-Bissessar, but up to press time last night there was no response.

The questions posed to the Prime Minister:

Good morning Mrs Persad-Bissessar. I am writing an article for tomorrow's paper and would like a comment from you. On or around April 2013, four ounces of marijuana were found at your Phillipine home. Can you confirm or deny?

Did Mr Mervyn Richardson have a conversation with you regarding this find?

Special Branch head: Richardson didn't tell me anything

The Sunday Express contacted Gary Gould yesterday morning. Gould is currently a DCP and also the deputy head at Special Branch.

Asked whether he knew about the find at the Prime Minister's residence in April 2013, Gould said, I'm not aware of this.

Quizzed on whether Richardson relayed this information to him, Gould said no.

Asked whether he was sure Richardson never informed him of the find, given that he (Gould) headed the Special Branch at the time, Gould said, Something like that, I would have remembered being told to me.

The Sunday Express asked whether it was mandatory such a report should have come to him. Gould say yes.

Contacted yesterday morning, acting Commissioner of Police Stephen Williams said he needed an opportunity to look into the matter.

I have to look at the records of 2013 and I have no access to those records now. I'm sure if it's Special Branch, there would be records, Williams said.

Griffith responds: Ask the police

In an e-mailed response sent yesterday evening, Gary Griffith refused to confirm or deny he was privy to the alleged incident.

He instead told the Sunday Express to check with the police.

He said when he operated as a minister of National Security, I am obliged to still stress that it would be inappropriate to make any statement on any such allegation.

Based on this report, it would be the police who should comment on this allegation. Having said that, let me make it abundantly clear it is impossible for any Government official to give any police officer an order to cover up any matter that warrants a police investigation or a possible charge for someone committing a criminal offence. They have no authority to do so.

The Police Service comes under the Ministry of National Security for administration, policy and logistics support services.

It is not in any remote way under the authority of Government officials, inclusive of National Security, National Security Council or Office of the Prime Minister, for operational purposes, which includes investigations and reporting a crime.

For any further information reference the above, the T&T Police Service is the best avenue to answer any further questions.

Edited text of the statement by Jack Warner

My name is Jack Austin Warner.

I was elected to Parliament on May 24, 2010, for the Chaguanas West constituency, copping the highest number of votes for any one candidate in that election.

On June 1, 2010, I was appointed Minister of Works and Transport, and later Minister of Works and Infrastructure.

On June 25, 2012, I was appointed Minister of National Security, a post from which I resigned on April 20, 2013. Prior to this, I had acted as Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago on no less than four occasions. In fact, I was the first minister to be appointed by the Prime Minister to act for her when she had to travel in August 2010.

As Minister of National Security, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service was one of the agencies under my portfolio.

On Friday, April 12, 2013, DCP Mervyn Richardson came to Parliament (where sitting was in progress) and called me out. We went to a private room in the Parliament, where the DCP informed me that the PM's security officers at her residence in Philippine had found that morning a packet containing 4 ozs of marijuana outside a window of the Prime Minister's Philippine home, and according to DCP Richardson, based on the amount, it can be for the purpose of trafficking.

DCP Richardson also advised me that Senior Superintendent Special Branch Gary Gould was in charge of the Prime Minister's security detail and that he would speak to him.

I immediately called Dr Roodal Moonilal, Leader of Government Business, from the Parliament and asked him how we should deal with this matter.

He suggested that I should immediately call the Prime Minister overseas in New York and inform her, which I did.

The Prime Minister seemed surprised and said that she will return home immediately and asked whether she should return home and resign.

She then spoke with DCP Richardson, who again informed her of what he had told me. I prevailed upon her not to resign, but that instead we (Moonilal, Richardson, Captain Gary Griffith, who had been informed, and I) would use our best efforts to bury it, and up to today we did.

All of the above can be easily corroborated in the following ways:

1. By seeking the advice of Senior Superintendent Gary Gould, Head of the Special Branch;
2. By inspecting the police diary for the morning of April 12, 2013;
3. By seeking the advice on the matter from DCP Mervyn Richardson and Captain Gary Griffith. Consistent with his current behaviour, it will serve no useful purpose to interview Dr Moonilal;
4. TSTT (Telecommunications Services of Trinidad and Tobago) or DCP should be able to produce pictures of the marijuana which picture Richardson had on his mobile phone.

Respectfully submitted,
Jack Warner
Member of Parliament
Chaguanas West Constituency
June 6, 2015




Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on June 14, 2015, 03:05:49 PM
4oz is a good bit, Deeks. It only sounding small
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 14, 2015, 03:29:16 PM
FA fear FBI probe with troubling questions in FIFA scandal after schmoozing former vice-president Jack Warner, a trip to Prince Charles' home and a 135,000 sweetener
dailymail.co.uk.


It was in late April 2000 that Jack Warner arrived in England from Trinidad for his latest visit to see his friends at the Football Association and enjoy their hospitality, as Englands bid to host the 2006 World Cup moved up a gear.

On landing in London, Warner, a FIFA vice-president, long-time key player within the world governing body and a man with three vital CONCACAF votes in his pocket, was guided to a special flight to Manchester, where he was a guest of honour at Old Trafford as United beat Chelsea 3-2.

Dwight Yorke opened the scoring. Dan Petrescu and Gianfranco Zola put Chelsea ahead. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Yorke sealed the three points.

Warner, then 57, flew back south for a government dinner in his honour hosted by Chris Smith, the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.

It was a lavish occasion in private rooms at the Tower of London. The FA then laid on a helicopter for Warner, who hopped aboard with Sports Minister Tony Banks and took a sightseeing trip across the capital, landing at Wembley for an exclusive look at the FAs plans for the new stadium.

An official FA report later spoke of the warm relations by then established between Warner and FA chairman Geoff Thompson.

So warm, in fact, that the very same trip, the FA said, resulted in the signing and issue of a declaration of intent under which the FA, over a five-year period, would extend further help with the development of football in the Caribbean and Central America.

The precise cost of this initiative is not public, nor have the FA been able to put a figure on it. It is not itemised in FA accounts. It is estimated at somewhere between hundreds of thousands of pounds and low millions.

It is not believed to have involved straight cash handouts, although cash was spent on various sponsorship and functions for Warners pet projects back then and over many years since.

Such largesse from the FA can be interpreted in several ways. At one extreme it is altruistic development funding for a needy part of the global game. At the other it is bribery.

The truth is almost certainly found in the grey middle ground, where support and rewards in football politics have for so long gone hand in hand.

Another episode of FA charity now seems likely to come back to bite them the writing-off of a 135,000 debt owed to the FA by friends of Warner at the Jamaica FA.

Negotiations for that write-off of a 2006 debt intensified in 2008 at exactly the same time Warner sought another favour from the FA as they prepared to bid to host the 2018 World Cup.

Warner wanted England to play a friendly in Trinidad against his national team, ostensibly to help celebrate the centenary of the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation.

It went ahead and the TTFF earned six-figure sums from ticket sales and more from TV rights for a game in which England were captained by David Beckham. Warner paraded Beckham around the pitch, basking in the reflected glory.

The Jamaican FA were run by Warners close friend Horace Burrell, and the issue of the 135,000 was kicked into the long grass, sources say, because to have written it off then might have looked like a sweetener to please Warner. Burrell always maintained it was written off in 2008.

The Mail on Sunday has established it was finally, secretly written off by the FA in early 2012, although it is not mentioned in the accounts.

Warner is now wanted by the authorities in the USA on a variety of corruption charges. He plans to fight extradition from Trinidad but had to surrender his passport at his local police station last week.
 
As and when he is forced to go to America and starts talking to investigators, it is considered likely he could share everything he knows about footballs favour culture. The 135,000 deal will inevitably come up.

One former high-ranking FA insider told the MoS: I know the FBI are going to come after us. Its just a matter of time.

Another FA source, still working at Wembley, expects the issue to be an embarrassment to the FA rather than a major problem.

The reality is that Warner has been receiving favours from the FA for almost two decades, and for much of that period the FA regarded him as an ally, even a confidant and sounding board.

Certainly he was seen that way when England were bidding for 2006, and the FA made sure he felt he was valued.

In January 2000, they paid for England manager Kevin Keegan to attend a coaching seminar in Trinidad and meet CONCACAF officials.

The following month, Englands 2006 bid leader, Alex McGivan, took Sir Bobby Charlton to meet CONCACAF officials at the Gold Cup in Los Angeles.

The same month Tony Banks was ordered at short notice to go to Trinidad, where Prince Charles was paying an official visit, to make sure His Royal Highness spent time with Warner and his friends.

Warner had previously been to Prince Charless Highgrove House home in Gloucestershire on a trip arranged by the FA.

Using royalty and even Prime Ministers to flatter and influence FIFA officials has become par for the course.
Five years ago, England notoriously sent Charless son William as well as David Cameron and Beckham to glad-hand members of FIFAs executive in Zurich before they voted on the 2018 World Cup.

Infamously, a number of voters told them to their face they would support England and then betrayed their vows. Such is football politics.

In 2000, while Warner was in England on his chopper visit, Sir Geoff Hurst was simultaneously sent on a trip to four Caribbean Islands to meet Warner allies.

The FA reported later: Football leaders there were greatly appreciative of Sir Geoffs visit but made plain their needs for developmental help.

In May 2000, Englands bid team asked the British ambassador to Washington, Sir Christopher Meyer, to visit New York and lobby Warners closest ally on FIFAs executive, Chuck Blazer.

The American has already cut a deal with the FBI and pleaded guilty over his role in the current corruption case.

The same month Englands 2006 bid team were involved in heavy branding and sponsorship of a CONCACAF meeting in Nassau.

Another unspecified sum was spent on arranging a dinner, with Garth Crooks as compere and Charlton, Hurst and John Barnes among the speakers. Warner and FIFA president Sepp Blatter were the main guests.

Paying for Warners supper became a habit of the FA. When the FA were bidding for the 2018 World Cup, they sponsored a $55,000 (35,000) gala dinner for the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) which the summary of Michael Garcias FIFA corruption probe said was to curry favour with Warner.

The same report said Englands bid team often accommodated Mr Warners wishes in apparent violation of bidding rules and the FIFA Code of Ethics.

Other examples cited included helping a friend of Warner with a job opportunity in the UK, helping for unspecified favours related to a club he owned in Trinidad and hosting a training camp for the TTFF Under-20s in England in 2009.

Bid sources at the time and now insist they did nothing wrong in the course of courting the votes of Warner and other delegates and say such behaviour was standard practice and within the rules.

They also rightly point out that when Garcia went looking for evidence of corruption in the Russian and Spanish bids for 2018 he was given no access to information or any help; yet on that basis they were effectively deemed clean.

One lesson might be that if you are going to be chummy with somebody long established as corrupt, you should do it discreetly. The FA may yet live to rue cosying up to Jack Warner so much for so long.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 15, 2015, 05:49:13 AM
The empire that Jack built.
By Suzanne Sheppard (Guardian)


Jacks million$: Guardian probes under-fire ILP leaders assets

In recent days, investigative news reports have estimated Warners wealth to be approximately $1 billion. However, it is difficult to gauge the full extent of his fortune since assets are scattered across a very diverse range of business operations, as well as several local and overseas bank accounts.

He is a former schoolteacher whose ascent to positions of power in world football and T&T politics began when he became secretary of the T&T Football Association in 1973.

Austin Jack Warner rose from humble beginnings in Rio Claro in south Trinidad, to become president of Concacaf, vice president of Fifa, as well as a senior cabinet minister in the Peoples Partnership (PP) administration of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. Along the way, he also developed a large family-owned business empire, with establishments across T&T.

there are various ventures, many of them very lucrative, in which Warner, his wife Maureen, and their two sons Darryl and Daryan are listed as directors and majority stakeholders. The Warner family has been under intense scrutiny ever since their patriarch was indicted on May 27 by the US Department of Justice for a series of offences including racketeering, fraud and money laundering. He has also been placed on a wanted persons list by Interpol.

The Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader and Chaguanas West MP is currently out on bail, fighting attempts to have him extradited to the United States to face charges. Warners two sons have already pleaded guilty to corruption charges and are co-operating with United States investigators. Daryan agreed to forfeit more than US$1.1 million as part of his plea bargain on charges of wire fraud, money laundering and evading financial reporting laws.

Never a stranger to controversy, Warners wealth increased as he gained more influence and higher administrative positions within the governing body for football. In 2011, at the time when he parted company with Fifa, Warners wealth had been estimated at US$50 million. He and his family reportedly own or have significant stakes in a large number of businesses, ranging from security firms to catering, janitorial services and publishing, as well as vast real estate holdings.

Here are the Jack Warner holdings that we were able to verify:

The Centre of Excellence

Said to be worth US$2.5 million, the multi-purpose facility is currently the subject of a legal dispute between Warner and Fifa. Warner has denied the football organisations claim that the facility, which is located in Macoya, was signed over to his family. However, documents obtained by the T&T Guardian in 2013 showed that it is jointly owned by two companiesCCAM and Company Ltd and Renraw Investments Ltdboth part of the Warner familys business empire. Renraw is Warner spelt backwards.

Fifa said it has taken legal steps to recover the ownership of the centre which was a gift from its Brazil-born former president Joao Havelange to the Caribbean Football Union.

Originally intended to be a state-of-the-art training and learning facility for use by Concacaf members, the Centre of Excellence includes the 6,000-seat Marvin Lee Stadium with a full-sized practice field and two mini-fields; the Ken Galt Hall which can accommodate a maximum of 800 people; the Joseph Sepp Blatter Hall with a capacity of 2,000; the Nelson Mandela Room; Le Sportel Inn, which has 44 rooms; Garden Sanctuary; Guillermo Canedo Hall which accommodates a maximum of 6,500; and the Andre Kamperveen Hall.

Simpaul Travel Services Ltd

Established by Warner and his wife, Maureen, in 1997, the company has its main offices at St Vincent Street in Port-of-Spain. Its motto is: We are not a travel agency that does football, we are a football company that happens to work in the travel industry.

The agency secured all of the travel business of the T&T Football Federation (TTFF) during the time when Warner was special adviser to the local football body and his associates, Oliver Camps and Richard Groden, were top TTFF officials. Groden secured Simpauls credentials with Fifas Ticketing Office (FTO) by naming the agency as the official tour operator of the TTFF.

The agency first came into the spotlight following T&Ts qualification for the 2006 World Cup in Germany when it was investigated by Fifa. According to reports, starting in June 2005, the travel agency was used to sell thousands of World Cup packages of rooms and tickets to agents around the world.

It was further alleged that Warner and his son Daryan, who is listed as managing director of Simpaul, cleared a profit of at least 500,000 on 5,400 tickets for England, Mexico and Japan World Cup matches. However, Warner was subsequently cleared of those allegations by Fifas Ethics Committee.

The agency later surfaced in another football controversy when former Fifa presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam, in defence of charges brought against him by Fifas Ethics Committee, claimed he transferred $2.3 million to the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) to cover travelling and accommodation expenses of delegates at a two-day CFU meeting at the Hyatt Regency in Port-of-Spain. The travelling expenses and bookings were done via Simpaul.

Concacafs T&T offices

Among Warners many real estate assets in Port-of-Spain is the office building on St Vincent Street, which houses the local operations of Concacaf. The regional football body reportedly pays him nearly US$750,000 a year in rent for that office space.

Emerald Apartments and Plaza

In 1998, the Warner family purchased the Scarlet Ibis Hotel in St Augustine for $6 million and transformed the aging six-storey hotel into elegantly appointed two and three-bedroom apartments and penthouses. Company records show the facility as being run by Warners elder son, Daryl.

Kantac Plaza

Located at 131 Eastern Main Road in Warners hometown, Arouca, it houses several businesses including the offices of Sunshine Newspaper and Joe Public Football Club.

Joe Public FC

Jack Warner is listed as owner of the popular football club with Darryl as managing director and Vijay Bahgan and Sam Phillips as directors.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 15, 2015, 05:52:09 AM
Take it to the FBI.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


In dismissing allegations by Jack Warner that he was involved in covering up marijuana found at her private residence two years ago, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday challenged Warner to take his information to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and local police.

More lies and distractions which I have placed in the hands of my lawyers, should Mr Warner have any information about any wrong doing he should take it to the police and the FBI, the Prime Minister told the Express.

Warner submitted a statement dated June 6, 2015 to Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette in which he claimed that on Friday April 12, 2013, former deputy Commissioner of Police Mervyn Richardson came to the Parliament and informed him (Warner) that a packet containing four ounces of marijuana was found outside a window of Persad-Bissessar's private Phillipine residence.

Warner, who was National Security Minister at the time, stated that he called Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal who advised him to contact the Prime Minister who was in New York at the time.

Warner claimed when he contacted the Prime Minister, she was surprised and enquired whether she should return home immediately and resign.

He claimed further that he advised Persad-Bissessar to not resign as he and others- Richardson, Moonilal as well as former national security adviser Gary Griffith - would cover up the ganja find.

Allegations untrue

Legal sources close to the Prime Minister said that Warner's allegations were untrue because Persad-Bissessar was never out of the country when the marijuana was allegedly found at the house.

The Express checked the archives which show that Persad-Bissessar left Trinidad on April 14, 2013, for New York where she was scheduled to address the United Nations on Monday June 15 on The UN and Global Economic Governance.

A release from the Office of the Prime Minister was issued to the media giving notice of Persad-Bissessar's departure.

The Express was told by officials close to the PM that Warner's allegations were confusing as they questioned how the Prime Minister could say she should return home and resign when she was in the country.

It was also pointed out that the Prime Minister accepted Warner's resignation on April 20, 2013 following a report from Sir David Simmons who headed FIFA's Ethics Committee which stated Warner was involved in financial impropriety- days after his alleged cover up of the marijuana find.

This is the third set of allegations that Warner has revealed after declaring on May 28, 2015, that the gloves are off and he intends to go after Persad-Bissessar and expose her and members of the People's Partnership Government.

Kamla, having jailed meas of tonight, the gloves are off! Warner had said hours after he was released from prison where he was forced to spend the night due to problems in securing his $2.5 million bail.

Following his threat, on June 4, 2015, Warner claimed there was a link between the funding of the People's Partnership 2010 campaign and FIFA and he was going to put this in a dossier of documents to give to local and foreign authorities through attorneys.

Via his Sunshine newspaper, Warner has published cheques amounting to $1.7 million that was paid to Ross Advertising. A week later Warner published cheques amounting to some $56,000 allegedly paid to a realtor to rent a house in Santa Margarita for Persad-Bissessar and her sister Vidwatie during the 2010 campaign as Warner claimed Persad-Bissessar complained of being tired.

The Prime Minister has to date denied all of Warner's allegations saying she never received any funding from him and his statements were false and meant to distract.

The Express story is a smokescreen, the real story is Loretta Lync, said Moonilal yesterday, adding that Warner keeps evading the issues hanging over his own head.

Warner is wanted by the United States authorities for charges of money laundering, fraud and racketeering. He is also listed on Interpol's most wanted list. Warner intends to fight extradition requests and is moving full steam ahead to lead his Independent Liberal Party (ILP) to contest the September 7 general election.

Persad-Bissessar has already signalled to party members to not be distracted by Warner's stories.

The Prime Minister will be delivering the feature address today at the United National Congress (UNC) meeting at Rienzi Complex, Couva at 7p.m.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 15, 2015, 12:38:53 PM
This keeps getting better and better
https://www.youtube.com/v/QrG2hr-HsbA

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on June 15, 2015, 01:40:05 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Jack getting old boy...he not thinking the movements thru at all..yuh go up against professional shit-talkers and win.. Oliver will eat him raw..or is that renraw ?  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Peong on June 15, 2015, 02:26:26 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Jack getting old boy...he not thinking the movements thru at all..yuh go up against professional shit-talkers and win.. Oliver will eat him raw..or is that renraw ?  :devil:

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on June 15, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Jack getting old boy...he not thinking the movements thru at all..yuh go up against professional shit-talkers and win.. Oliver will eat him raw..or is that renraw ?  :devil:

 :rotfl: "I see your dramatic music and I raise you....fire"  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: I dont know Jack
Post by: Tallman on June 16, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
I dont know Jack
By Mark Lyndersay (T&T Guardian)


A couple of decades ago, I set off from the Guardians offices and walked a few blocks to Jack Warners offices higher up St Vincent Street. I was mildly intimidated by the assignment, which was to provide images for a business story by my late friend and colleague, Terry Joseph. I was insulated from much of the impact of my subjects considerable fame through my lifelong disinterest in sports generally and football in particular.

It was striking to look at the videos featuring Mr Warner which have become part of popular culture recently. I pulled up some scans Id done from that shoot for my archives, and it was almost surreal how similar his office and desk setup are now to the one I encountered. The technology has marched on and newer gear surrounds him now, but he affects the same sense of a man surrounded by work who confidently keeps it under control with an iron grip and steely will.

In 2006, about 15 years after Id had my first and only encounter with him, Warner was the vice-president of FIFA, president of Concacaf, a special adviser to the TTFF, a successful businessman and a key political figure as the deputy political leader of the UNC. Today, he is, according to the United States government, a wanted man with an indictment awaiting him should he ever set foot on their soil and a red listed person of interest at Interpol.

In the face of all this deadly seriousness then, its a little hard to understand how everything became so bitterly funny. Some of it has to do with Warners presence and uniquely Trinidadian approach to things. Whatever else he has been in his life, he offers an intense focus on whoever he happens to be dealing with, as I discovered on that assignment.

Unhappy with the determinedly sedate executive spaces he offered for the photography, I suggested that we head outside to get the plexiglas half-dome of the Concacaf logo and the sharp geometries of the building into the frame. To do this, I had to lie down in the drain just off to his left and he took direction well.

As I walked into his office afterward to collect the remainder of my gear, he reached into a desk drawer and took out a Fifa tie and pin and offered it to me, complimenting me on my approach to my work. For many years afterward, that tie remained a part of my cycle of executive nooses during that phase of my life and a pleasant reminder of my encounter with a great man.

Of course, I didnt really know jack about Mr Warner, just his reputation and the evidence of my encounter with him. Now, Warner occupies a unique space in the global discussion about Fifa corruption, one that apparently defies even the best comedians. When John Oliver decided to take on Jack Warner on his home turf, his clever, almost reverential assault on the former Fifa honcho never seemed to pick up steam.

At least part of that stemmed from Olivers unwillingness to tease the nation thats tacitly supported Jack Warner for decades, but a large part of it has to do with Warners Teflon imperviousness to being the butt of a joke.

John Olivers made for global consumption segment on TV6, The Mittens of Disapproval are On, withered in the face of Jack Warners home-hewn response, a tour de force of hilarity, which pitted the embattled former executive against his own considerable speech impediment, an incomprehensible script and the swelling roar of music stolen from upcoming composer Greg Dombrowski.

Like one of those truly strange onions that crop up from time to time, Jack Warner resists ready peeling, you get the skin off, think youre into the meat of the thing, only to find another mutant skin under it. Its easy now to get all hot and bothered about shame and embarrassment and that nebulous place, the international stage, but T&T failed the most basic of questions that an investigator might ask about all of this.

What did we know? How long did we know it? And what did we do about it? The answers, of course, are all of it, all along and nothing. Because even after all these accusations, I really didnt know Jack and chances are, neither did you.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 16, 2015, 08:56:06 AM
Like I saw on a post. For a football man Jack can't dribble at all.
Title: FIFA scandal: The search for 'fighter' Jack Warner
Post by: Tallman on June 16, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
FIFA scandal: The search for 'fighter' Jack Warner
By Harry Reekie (CNN)


As we passed the fourth industrial complex en route from Port of Spain airport to the hotel, I was shaking my head. This just couldn't be right.

Sensing the consternation, my newest friend Ramesh -- a sage taxi driver if ever you met one -- jumped in unprompted.

"Most tourists get the ferry to Tobago. Trinidad is a place to do business. What brings you here?"

Our business, of course, was "Mr. Warner," as Trinidadians refer to arguably the island's most notorious resident.

My journey had started the previous week in Zurich after news broke of the arrests of a number of FIFA executives at dawn.

Sepp Blatter was re-elected. Sepp Blatter resigned. Each day there was a new development that has woven a tapestry of allegations and revelations to touch every continent on the planet.

Seemingly at the center of that tapestry was Warner. And despite his steadfast denial of any wrongdoing, there were countless questions that needed to be asked. CNN would do its best to do just that.

Which was why we were getting a tour -- together with U.S.-based colleagues Robyn Curnow, Nicol Nicolson and Jose Armijo -- of Port of Spain's industrial estates.

The charges against Warner are extensive.

He resigned from the FIFA Executive Committee in 2011 after being accused of several counts of corruption in the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. However, after being banned from football administration worldwide, all investigations into those allegations were dropped.

All that changed when Warner was one of 14 executives charged by the U.S. Justice Department over alleged racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering and bribery. The U.S. has formally requested his extradition, and judicial proceedings in Trinidad have already begun.

As we crawled towards the city center, Ramesh put us on the phone to his daughter -- a local reporter, who in turn gave me two direct numbers for Warner.

As it turned out, they were the same as two I had been given by a colleague in London. The chances of them being genuine suddenly seemed much more likely.

Calls were made to both of the numbers. No answer, but messages were left nonetheless. A contact had also given us Warner's personal email address. Again, no reply to our request to talk to him.

Warner's business interests have spread throughout Trinidad, which provided other possible avenues of inquiry.

The 72-year-old owns a professional football team called Joe Public in the district of Tunapuna. He also has control of one of the island's newspapers, Sunshine, and owns a restaurant.

Ramesh also told us that Warner's house was located in the Five Rivers area of Arouca -- although we would have to sniff out which one it was.

Another possibility was Trinidad's Parliament. The day before we arrived, Warner -- a prominent opposition MP in Trinidad -- had been laughed at by some peers in the chamber after yet again vowing to "unleash an avalanche of evidence" to clear his name.

But this being a Saturday, he wouldn't be in Parliament for another 48 hours.

There was also Warner's political constituency of Chiguanas West. It was there that he had danced at a public rally only hours after being released from prison the previous week.

Our driver didn't know the area well, so it took 30 minutes of circling in the heat before we located a ramshackle building with several crumbling signs outside.

Next to advertisements for ultrasound testing and corrective footcare, a sign for "OFFICE OF THE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR CHAGUANAS WEST" stood out imposingly.

As we walked up the stairs, the office manager came out and started stonewalling us. "Is he here?" asked Robyn. "Yes, and he asks that you respect his privacy," came the reply.

Warner was holding a "clinic" for his constituents -- a drop-in center where residents could talk face-to-face with their MP about local issues. Unfortunately face-to-face didn't stretch to questions about multiple allegations of serious fraud from journalists.

After a couple of interviews with junior staff members and constituents, we were unceremoniously kicked out.

Other broadcasters came and went, before a team from Sky News in the UK arrived to join us in the wait for Warner to leave. His car was directly outside, so he had to leave at some stage.

Ultimately it was a fruitless five hours.

After countless attempts to get back in, even calling through the window at one stage, we realized any faint hopes of our man deciding to talk to CNN were in vain.

Warner is happy to publish rambling video messages when it suits him, but it became pretty clear that this was not a man ready to be asked questions by the media. Questions he has still never answered publicly.

Warner is not a free man, though.

A stipulation of his bail agreement forces him to check in at his local police station every Monday and Thursday.

He cannot leave the country, and once all the evidence is presented to the Trinidadian Attorney General by the U.S. authorities, Warner will likely face an extradition hearing as soon as August. That was confirmed to us by the Attorney General the following morning.

It seems likely that if Warner does have an "avalanche" of evidence, he is likely to need it in court to prove his innocence.

Among all the turmoil, he also has an upcoming Parliamentary re-election campaign to fight later this year.

So where does Warner stand in the court of public opinion in Trinidad?

Some utterly detest him and many of those in positions of authority feel he has brought shame on his own country, yet speak to his constituents and you hear a different story.

"I tell you what ... Jack may have got some things wrong," said Raymond, another taxi driver.

"But for every mistake, he's done 10 great things for people on this island. He's a fighter is Jack. He'll come back from this, just like he always has done."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: soccerman on June 16, 2015, 09:40:38 PM
Solider have it down cold
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 17, 2015, 01:52:17 AM
Prove it, Prime Minister!
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


Thats the challenge thrown out to Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday by embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, who also accused acting Police Commissioner Stephen Williams of not speaking the truth on the alleged ganja which Warner claims was discovered on the PMs property on April 12, 2013.

Warner, who claimed he had spoken to the PM on it at the time while she was in the US, says she must prove she was in T&T and must also prove there was no weed in her house.

...And she must also tell T&T about her closeness to (sacked minister) Anil Roberts and the reason for that, he added at a Centre of Excellence, Macoya, media briefing yesterday.

He said the PM, Williams and retired deputy commissioner of police Mervyn Richardson were lying on the matter and Williams was trying to cover up for Kamla...

Why? Warner added, calling for Williams to do his job, go to the (police) station (in question) and take the (station) diary.

If the deputy commissioner of police doesnt speak the truth, who will? And he says its all about politics, he said, also accusing Richardson of doing a good job covering up.

Warner called the briefing to talk about fall-out following his weekend allegation that four ounces of ganja were allegedly found on a ledge outside a window on the PMs Palmiste property in 2013.

He claimed Richardson had told him that on April 12, 2013, when it was allegedly found. He was national security minister at the time.

He claimed he called the Peoples Partnerships Dr Roodal Moonilal on it and he suggested Warner speak to the PM, who was in the US.

Warner claimed he spoke to Persad-Bissessar and she asked if she should return home and resign and he prevailed on her not to, while himself Moonilal and Richardson buried the matter.

Yesterday, Warner said the PMs adviser in 2013, Gary Griffith, wasnt involved in the cover-up but was later told of it. He, however, revealed tapes of conversations on the issue he had with Griffith and who also bad talked the PM.

Warner said he always had a gut feeling the day would come when he would have to show T&T who the Prime Minister is, who Richardson is and who Jack Warner is, so he kept tapes for a day like that.

Warner said he was talking of the alleged ganja issue now since it was time for re-election and Persad-Bissessar is unfit to be re-elected... this is the tip of the iceberg, I ent start yet!

He said he didnt say anything until now since he had been hoping for some kind of investigation to close the chapter and since there was none, he did so.

He also added there was a point in time when he would have given his life for the PM, since he thought she was a victim of the cabal Ramlogan, Suruj, Moonilal, Sharma and had not replied to PP attacks.

But he said when the US issued an arrest warrant for him and my Prime Minister tell the AG to sign it and go for him, I said that cant be the cabal. So my eyes opened and this Teflon Prime Minister had to be exposed.

Warner said he was compelled to speak yesterday because Griffith had called him last Sunday on the ganja story but since then everything had been done to discredit him, including the acting CoPs statement on the matter.

He also said he was speaking out since Express reporter Denyse Renne had been demonised, including by colleagues in the same paper, he claimed, for writing last weekends story.

Warner detailed how he called Renne on his way home after he left the Parliament last Friday (when elections were announced).

He said she said she was in Moruga but he told her to wait for him in San Juan, since he had something to give her. He said he met her there later and gave her a June 6, 2015, affidavit he had done by Justice of the Peace Anthony Soulette on the matter.

In defending Renne and saying she was treated unfairly, Warner challenged yesterdays Express report by Anna Ramdass which stated that according to the T&T Gazette, the appointment of MP Winston Dookeran, who acted for the PM when she went to the US in April 2013, was effective April 14. He claimed the instrument of appointment was issued April 12.

The Chaguanas MP detailed futile efforts he made in seeking records from the VIP Lounge, Foreign Affairs and NY Consulate to ascertain the PMs location during the period. He said Parliament staff said she was not in Parliament on April 12, 2013.

He added: Its not my burden to prove the PM was out of T&T but she has to prove she was in T&T and up to now she hasnt proved this.

Warner claimed Richardson showed him a picture on his phone of the alleged ganja evidence. He said it would be easy for TSTT to check Richardsons phone records on this.

He said he was told the officer in the station in question took a picture but would not name the officer or station and urged the media to follow it up.

He also took issue with a US judge who urged people to support the PM.

Warner said he would be playing the tapes he had compiled at all ILP meetings in South tomorrow and will be holding three public meetings weekly.

He said if his revelations had caused so much confusion and back-biting... wait until the others come out. He claimed sentry diaries at the Diplomatic Centre residence were also changed.

Warner, who refused to answer football issue queries, said he intended to have his day in court on that and answer there. He denied any Panama trip with a minister in 2010.

Last night there was no statement from the Prime Ministers office on Warners claims. Also contacted by the media last night, Moonilal said he preferred not to comment.

Griffith taped discussing issue

Chaguanas MP Jack Warner said yesterday that after flawed reports in the Express and from the acting CoP, he had to use the tapes he allegedly recorded with Griffith to prove his case.

In the first the voice recording, which Griffith yesterday confirmed was his, he said the PM comes to Parliament and stays in her officer there and goes home and that her weekends are from Friday night to Wednesday, so when the PP came to ask for another five years, people had to ask if they wanted a five-day weekend. The voice is also heard telling Warner they both have enough ammo on the PP.

In another tape, which Warner claimed was made last weekend, Griffith insisted he was not involved in a cover-up on the weed issue and had not spoken to the PM.

He said the police would have to speak on the issue and the onus was on them Richardson and Garth Gould of the Special Branch, to come clean and admit they found something.

Griffith is also heard telling Warner he would not deny that he knew about the issue but could not say it was marijuana.

In a third tape, both continue to debate the matter, with Griffith saying he could not come forward on the matter and Warner is heard asking if he should call reporter Renne and tell her to call Griffith.

In another tape made yesterday morning, Griffith is heard asking Warner if he had heard the acting Cops statement on the issue and deciding what to say, with Warner saying: All you have to do Gary is tell the truth.

Warner also revealed text messages between himself and Griffith.

VIDEO: - Jack Warner's Press Conference (Audio) (https://soundcloud.com/sunilyr/jack-warner-press-conference-june-16-2015)

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 17, 2015, 06:00:29 AM
Kamla want you to prove your dribbling skills! Jack!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on June 17, 2015, 06:15:39 AM

WARNER RELEASES PHONE RECORDINGS

https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/videos/10153407365722996/

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Jack Warner has produced phone recordings of a conversation between him and Gary Griffith about the alleged drug find at the prime minister's private home.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on June 17, 2015, 07:11:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/qu4S5QnkKe0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 19, 2015, 08:54:28 AM
Jack, your son is on the phone
Patrick Hoyos (Barbados Nation).


WATCHING Jack Warner try to turn the tables on former political allies by alleging the involvement of FIFA in Trinidad and Tobago's 2010 election political campaign was like watching paint dry.

The eight-minute paid political broadcast, carried, on major TV stations in T&T recently, allowed Mr Warner to cast his predicament in a purely political mould. He spoke as one betrayed by those he had trusted to protect him from the long arm of the law, now reaching unfairly into T&T to pluck him out of his comfort zone.

But, said Zealous Jack, he had been prepared for that day too. Envelopes had been sent out, and he dramatically (yawn) released their recipients to do their worst with them.

It seems that the main point of The Gloves Are Off, as Mr Warner's TV address was titled, was to warn Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar that if she won't keep the wolves from his door, he would set a fresh pack of them at hers.

It was little wonder to me then that the United States Justice Department should ask Interpol to place himearlier that dayon its Red Notice list, one of only two of the charged FIFA executives, plus four marketing executives linked to the scandal.

If Mr Warner is hoping that three little birds will turn up outside his doorstep, singing sweet songs, with one of them clutching what looks like a passport with his picture in it, the Red Notice should make it easier for police to arrest him wherever he may turn up.

Listening to Melancholy Jack tell his tale of betrayal and warn of his now-burgeoning desire for revenge over his public excoriation, you might not think that anyone else was involved.

This conceit of Jack Warner'sthat he is the innocent bystander who, unfairly gored by the rushing bull, is now ready to do some damage of his ownwill soon be tested in the real world, as those envelopes containing all that explosive stuff reach their intended targets.

It is, of course, exactly what the US Justice Department wants. They want Jack to sing. Their top mark has not yet been charged with anything.

But it has nothing to do with his own case, around which, it seems, the evidence net may have fully closed.

According to an article by Stephanie Clifford in the New York Times of June 3, Mr Warner's deputy during the 20-odd years he was president of CONCACAF, Chuck Blazer, in his 2013 guilty plea said that: I and others on the FIFA executive committee agreed to accept bribes in conjunction with the selection of South Africa as the host nation for the 2010 World Cup. He also said that he and others agreed to accept bribes and kickbacks in conjunction with the broadcast and other rights to several Gold Cup tournaments, a regional championship.

Mr Blazer, the Justice Department said, became a co-operating witness and this had included secretly recording conversations.

You know who else became co-operating witnesses, presumably for similar reasons? Daryan and Daryll Warner, Jack's sons.

Writes Ms Clifford: When each of the Warner sons secretly pleaded guilty in 2013, the judge outlined their co-operation agreements with the Government. They agreed to participate in undercover activities, hand over documents, regularly meet with prosecutors, testify when requested, and not divulge their co-operation to anyone without the express permission of prosecutors.

So while Mr Warner may still somehow escape from his current situation in T&T, I don't think he will be able to escape the co-operation with justice of his ex-deputy and his own two sons, themselves trying desperately to avoid as much jail time as possible.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 19, 2015, 12:15:53 PM
Scampito, Rodent & Uncle Tim, you're next.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: lefty on June 20, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
Local banks and dirty $$ dealings (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150620/news/local-banks-and-dirty-dealings)
By Camini Marajh

For over a decade, indicted football jefe and former high ranking government minister Austin Jack Warner sold tens of millions of US dollars to legitimate local businesses in contravention of the Exchange Control laws of this country.

Those currency trades involving alleged dirty money were done through several local banks which have come under scrutiny of US prosecutors investigating a US$150 million world football bribery scheme.

That Warner used several local banks to conduct his business, had a plethora of bank accounts, conducted cash raids on football accounts under his control or sloshed funds through a maze of parallel football and personal bank accounts is not new.

Those details were revealed in a special investigative series published in this newspaper two years ago.

New and significant, however, is the possible money laundering local banks allowed to take place, according to a US law enforcement source with knowledge of the situation.

New questions are being asked about the banks compliance measures; customer due diligence and record keeping in connection with the well-known international football figure and former acting prime minister whose high public-profile automatically placed him on a financial institutions PEP (politically exposed person) watch-list for a higher degree of financial scrutiny.

US investigators are looking into how tens of millions of US dollars were banked, shifted around and then disappeared altogether and why the local financial system, including the banks, Board of Inland Revenue (BIR) and Central Bank regulators failed so dramatically to flag possible decades-old money laundering, tax evasion and other financial crimes allegedly committed by Warner.

Maze of bank accounts

In laying out a sweeping corruption case against 14 defendants, including Warner, US prosecutors have detailed allegations of corrupt transactions and kickbacks going through a maze of bank accounts in dozens of different jurisdictions over two decades involving top officials in footballs governing body, FIFA.

From Switzerland and Qatar to Trinidad and Tobago and the Cayman Islands, a substantial number of those corrupt transactions passed through the local banking system, according to the US Department of Justice (DOJ), despite tightened and stringent anti-money laundering (AML) and terrorist financing rules issued by the global intergovernmental body, Financial Action Task Force (FATF) which came into force in 2010.

What is emerging from the US DOJ investigation into the FIFA corruption scandal is a portrait of failed regulation which Warner used to enrich his family business empire. US sources, speaking on condition of strict anonymity, revealed that ongoing criminal investigations have turned up a series of suspicious banking activity at three local banks, specifically State-owned First Citizens (FCB), Intercommercial Bank Ltd (IBL) and Republic Bank Ltd (RBL).

Investigators are said to have flagged the routing of millions of dollars from football accounts held at RBL to private-Warner controlled accounts at FCB.

Warner is said to have emptied out millions from Concacaf, Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) bank accounts via USD bank drafts made payable to FCB.

US$2 million in USD bank drafts

Banking sources say this sort of circuitous cash transfers via a payee account in the name of a bank is highly unusual.

Ved Seereeram, a former Citi-banker and financial analyst said: At best, it is a suspicious transaction. The bank should not allow it. Close to US$2 million of these transactions are said to have passed through FCBs accounts, according to sources.

On June 12, Sharon Christopher, deputy CEO in charge of corporate administration at FCB, declined to comment on the specific question relating to RBL-issued USD bank drafts made payable to the state-owned bank.

Her stock response to questions relating to FCBs role in the unfolding Warner corruption story was: First Citizens is a financial institution that conducts its affairs in strict accordance with the laws of the jurisdiction in which we operate, including anti-money laundering laws. Accordingly, First Citizens will not knowingly facilitate any criminal activity whatsoever, including money laundering.

Larry Howai, who traded in his CEO job at the national bank in 2012 for a government post in Finance as Minister of the Economy and on whose watch a lot of these US-flagged transactions took place, responded this way to whether FCB was perhaps overly accommodating to the former government minister: Transactions are handled by branch or unit that is dealing with any account not by executive so I would not be familiar with any transaction. I am sure that the bank would have at all times observed procedures.

On the question of whether FCB followed regulatory practices as required by the FATF-issued AML-regime, Howai, who left FCB with a golden handshake, said: I know that the bank established an Operational Risk Unit to ensure compliance with regulators so it would be unlikely that it did not comply.

Theft of Haiti money

US sources say Warner used an array of tactics to camouflage his alleged theft of football funds including US$750,000 in emergency aid intended for earthquake-devastated Haiti in 2010.

FIFAs donation of US$250,000 was wire transferred into a TTFF account at RBL on January 18, 2010. A second donation of US$500,000 from the Korean Football Association was paid into a Concacaf account at RBL on February 4, 2010.

Approximately US$700,000 of that emergency relief money ended up in Warners pocket, according to sources. About US$155,000 was sold in currency trades to the JTA Group and International Shipping Ltd (ISL). Another $100,000 was routed through a Daryan Warner company called, We Buy Houses.

Warners two sons, Daryan and Daryll, have also been indicted by US prosecutors on corruption charges related to the FIFA bribery case. Both have pleaded guilty to a variety of fraud and money-laundering charges. Only US$50,000 of the emergency aid money destined for the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere reached the Haitian football federation.

During his heyday when he ruled the football world he had effective control of Concacaf, CFU, TTFF and Loc Germany Warner is reported to have controlled 79 USD and TT accounts held in local banks.

The accounts were held in the names of miscellaneous and parallel privately-owned companies, football bodies and personal accounts held in his name.

FCB has refused to comment on reports that it has stonewalled a court order for the production of bank records or that it provided deficient information relating to Warner-conducted transactions, including a lack of supporting documents on wire transfers and source of funds declarations.

The banks deputy CEO, Christopher, maintained: We are bound by the laws of client confidentiality from discussing any matter related to any person/entity who may conduct business with us.

The bin Hammam bribe

Still, the growing stockpile of evidence shows that Warner moved tens of millions of US dollars around the local banks with apparent ease.

In the case of the US$1.2 million kickback from football pal and Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam, it took two failed wire transfer attempts through international correspondent banks before the money was paid directly to a Warner Intercommercial bank account.

US banks twice red-flagged the transaction and demanded a more detailed explanation for the US$1.2 million wire transfer payment to the two Warner boys and personal Warner assistant from bin Hammams private company, Khalid Electrical and Mechanical Est (kemco) in July 2011.

As reported previously, bin Hammam also failed in a second attempt to send the money to Warners Cayman account in the name of J&D International.

He succeeded on the third try to Intercommercial Bank Chaguanas branch. Former CEO of IBL, Krishna Boodhai, the last director standing in Clico, refused comment when contacted by the Sunday Express. I have absolutely no comment to make on this matter, he said.

US authorities have reportedly flagged a number of transactions at the Indian-owned bank, including the bin Hammam US$1.2 million kickback paid to Warner for arranging the 2011 cash-for-votes CFU meeting at the Hyatt hotel in Port of Spain.

Warner has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing and has just as often refused to provide any explanation about any of the allegations made against him. He has also proclaimed his innocence on US charges of wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering.

Millions in $100 bills

Huge cash deposits in TT$100 bills made to a personal bank account at Intercommercial are said to be engaging the attention of investigators following Warners money trail.

In the six month period between September 2012 and February 2013, Warner, then the minister of national security, is reported to have deposited TT$2.5 million in cash. The source of funds is listed as commercial rental income from the disputed Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence (CoE) and other unnamed businesses.

The Sunday Express was told Warner banked more than TT$9 million in cash 100 bills to one of six Intercommercial bank accounts between August 2011 (following his resignation from all football bodies in the wake of the bin Hammam bribery scandal) and January last year.

Source of funds filings list the cash deposits as rental income from property.

Banking sources say the cash deposits raise an obvious red flag. They say the large cash deposits usually come from supermarkets and casinos. The CoE derives its income from trade shows, concerts, conferences and weddings, among other things.

New CEO at IBL, Nigel Romano, insists that Intercommercial has complied with all of the requirements of the AML regime but was unable to comment on specific transactions because of client confidentiality. Under the law we cannot tell you we flagged specific transactions, he said, saying, We feel very comfortable that we have complied and did what we were supposed to do.

Asked if IBL was comfortable accepting bin Hammams money after US banks twice refused it in 2011, he said Intercommercial was not informed of those prior attempts to wire funds from Doha, Qatar.

He said Intercommercial was not informed by the international correspondent banks of the failed attempts and noted that: It is something we will have to take up.

Suspicious bank activity

He said Intercommercial was scrupulous in its record keeping and sometimes go further and ask customers for documentation to support the source of funds declarations.

Without giving any details, Romano said there have been instances when the bank rejected transactions and made the requisite suspicious activity report to the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) which last year reported 617 suspicious transactions, up from the previous years figure of 554.

Romano declined to talk about the large cash deposits made by Warner, saying only that Intercommercial always try to up its game in relation to PEP or high risk customers.

Intercommercial account number 373 498 0401 in the name of Jack Warner also received cheque payments from the Chaguanas West Constituency Office. Warner is the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West and is said to be the sole signatory of the RBL held bank account, said sources.

Another transaction under scrutiny of US prosecutors is the US$10 million bribe payment made to a Warner-created dummy programme called the African diaspora legacy in exchange for votes in favour of South Africa hosting the 2010 World Cup.

Bribe from South Africa

Three wire transfers from FIFAs UBS account in Zurich, Switzerland, were paid into two Warner-controlled football accounts at Republic Bank Ltd (RBL), namely CFU and Concacaf. And as reported previously by this newspaper, a significant portion of the 2008 kickback went towards settling credit card debt and a personal loan, among other things. More than half of the SA bribe was disposed of in currency trade sales with JTA and ISL.

Chairman of RBL Ronald Harford said Republic was reviewing transactions one by one to see if there was any laxity in any way.

Michelle Palmer-Keizer, another RBL official said a lot of the transactions under review by US authorities, including the FIFA US$10 million deposit predated the AML rules. She said, however, the bank has red- flagged transactions and have had follow-up enquiries from the FIU and the police Financial Investigations Bureau (FIB).

A legal source, who preferred not to be quoted, said the FIU should be given investigatory and prosecutorial powers to go after white collar criminals. The agency operates as a repository for suspicious activity reports. Investigations are conducted by the FIB whose head, Superintendent Wendy Wilkinson said the agencys secrecy rules prohibits her from saying anything.

There have been little or no convictions for white collar crime in Trinidad and Tobago.
Title: Rio Claro backs Jack
Post by: Tallman on June 21, 2015, 09:21:46 AM
Rio Claro backs Jack
By Shaliza Hassanali (T&T Guardian)


In the eyes of Rio Claro residents, Jack Warner is seen as a man of the people, a fighter, a Robin Hood, a doer of no wrong, and a rebel with a cause.

Warner is idolised in the community where he spent the first ten years of his youthful life with his humble family. Warner, his three sisters and two brothers were single-handedly raised their mother, Stella. Residents claimed the childhood stories they heard about him has been nothing but favourable and elightening.

Warner, 72, is among nine Fifa officials and five corporate executives charged by the US Department of Justice with running a criminal enterprise that involved more than $150 million in bribes. Having contested the request by the United States to have him extradited to answer charges of racketeering and money laundering, the former Fifa vice president has been placed on a red notice by Interpol since June 3. Currently on bail, Warner will re-appear at the Port-of-Spain Magistrates' Court on July 9.

On his Facebook page, Warner described his mother as a simple, hard working woman with a firm belief in God. Warner stated that it was perhaps this upbringing which cemented his fighting spirit and led him to became one of the most successful businessmen in the Caribbean as well as a well-loved politician.

On Tuesday, a calm pervaded Elie Street, where Warner once lived with his siblings and mom in a small wooden structure. Most of the houses on the street were shut tight. The two government officesthe Ministry of Sport and Ministry of Gender, Youth and Child Developmentwhich were opened for business, stood on the land once occupied by Warners family.

Jack did not live very long here. He spent just a few years on this street. This is the story I heard when I came here to live on the street in 1960, said one man, who identified himself as Tyson.

Tyson said during Warners stay in the village, he attended the St Theresas Roman Catholic School in Rio Claro.

Warner, in giving a brief history of his past life on social media, said in 1953 his parents moved to Longdenville where he was transferred to a primary school in that area.

It is here I got first-hand taste for rural life, an experience that has brought value to my role as parliamentary representative, Warner wrote.

From there, it was no stopping Warner who became one of the most powerful figures in global football.

He went out of his way to help people... UNC fighting him down

On bustling High Street, near the Rio Claro Transit Hub, Peoples National Movement supporter Elsa Edwards, 73, of San Pedro, described Warner as a good man who went out of his way to help people, not only in the district he grew up in, but the entire country.

I have nothing bad to say about Warner. He is a good man, Edwards blurted out.

Edwards said Warner was a man of the people, and she would not like to see him make a jail in his twilight years.

I hope he gets off on the charges he is facing, Edwards said.

The pensioner said Warners Independent Liberal Party was becoming a spoiler and threat for the United National Congress (UNC) who was now grasping at straws as the September 7 general election draws closer.

Nearby, 58-year-old Carol James, of First Street, Enid Village, said though she never met Warner personally, the few stories she heard in the community was always pleasant.

I never hear a bad word about that man. He spent a few years here and never left a bad impression. Warner did a lot for football and his country, James said.

Bharath Basdeo, one of several taxi drivers working on the hub said it pained his heart when he heard that Warner had to spend the night in prison.

It was unbelievable for me because this is where he grew up. Its disheartening, Basdeo said, shaking his head in disbelief.

In the last three weeks, Basdeo said, Warner has not been looking his normal self.

You could see it in his face....he has been walking around with a defeated and dejected look. He no longer walks with his shoulders upright. You can see worry written all over his face.

Basdeo said Warner has been putting on a brave face for his supporters and the country. I feel really sad for him. I dont think he has done anything wrong.

A stones throw away, Seeraj Premnarine, of Navet Village, said Warner was now a target by the UNCthe same party he funded for the 2010 general election.

He shared his money with the party. Jack gave freely and helped many. Now the UNC fighting him down every chance.

I like Jack. To me, he is a fighter...a rebel with a cause. I still cant believe a man of his calibre and status grew up here. He has put little Rio Claro on the map.

There are numerous stories on the Internet which showed that Warner grew up here. They saying he is a Robin Hood.

Premnarine said he was not bothered or perturbed by Warners pending charges.

As long as it is not our money he stole, I dont care. Jack will go down in history books...

Smart, bright like a bulb

Clear Water Road resident, Samdai Sooknanan, 81, spoke highly about Warner, who she decribed as a peoples person.

Sooknanans husband Jagdeo, who died 22 years ago, was one of Warners primary school classmates. She said her husband often spoke about the fond memories he shared with Warner while growing up.

They were close friends in and out of the classroom. They cooked, ate and limed together. I never heard any complaints from my husband and the community about Jack. My husband used to tell me Jack was smart, bright like a bulb, and would reach far. I live to see that. Its a pity how he has fallen. He is good man. I dont care what people say. I believe hes innocent. I hope he walks free.

Sooknanan said Warners love for Indians people started in Rio Claro and to this day, he still believes in them.

Sooknanan said after Warner formed the ILP, she met him in a political meeting and reminisced about the good times Jagdeo shared with him.

I dont like how Jack is being treated. He is not looking good. The politics getting dirty and dangerous, said Sooknanan, a mother of 16.

No weapon formed against him shall prosper

Along Guayaguayare Road, Hensley Alexander, 62, believes Warner was set up by people in the country as his charges were perfectly timed for the 2015 election campaign.

They are just trying to tarnish Jacks good name and pull him down to get rid of him, but I standing with Warner. No weapon formed against him shall prosper, said Alexander.

Vendor Narine Mahabir, of Deven Drive, said Warner never turned his back on Rio Claro people.

He gave generously. Jack pumped money into a lot of football leagues in the community. People in here profited from his wealth. Jack looked out for everybody. I dont know him to be a bad man or villain as they are making him out to be, said Mahabir, a father of three.

Mahabir said Warner was made a scapegoat in the Fifa scandal.

If Warner was a White man they would not have touched him. Besides, I dont know why the USA getting into Fifa business in the first place. I think Warner is going to fight them to the bitter end.

Mahabir said he hoped Warner would not be extradited to America, fearing he would not get a fair trial.

The USA will try to set him up and nail him to the cross.

Mahabir said his father, Seebachan Mahabir, who died in 1991, attended the same primary school with Warner. He said he never heard his father criticise Warner.

He said while Warner has to face the courts to answer charges, taxpayers money was being wasted in Trinidad.

He said one case involves a multi-million dollar contract that was awarded for the construction of a wall and box drain in the community.

The kickbacks people getting from this contract cost more than the wall and box drain itself. But they want to make Warner look like the bad guy when everybody filling their pockets, Mahabir said.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2015, 05:15:51 AM
AG: No US extradition request as yet for Warner.
By Rickie Ramdass (Express).


IT has been close to one month since a provisional warrant was issued for the arrest of Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, but up to Thursday, the Office of the Attorney General had not received any request for Warner to be extradited to the United States, where he is wanted on wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering charges.

In a brief telephone interview yesterday, AG Garvin Nicholas said up until Thursday his office did not receive any formal request from the United States government for Warner's extradition.

He explained there was still time for the request to be made, given the United States has up to 60 days from the time the warrant was issued to do so.

Warner is currently on $2.5 million bail after surrendering himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27, after learning the warrant was issued for his arrest.

He is being represented by a battery of attorneys, including Fyard Hosein SC, Nyree Alphonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.

Warner will next appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port of Spain Court on July 9.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on June 23, 2015, 06:31:24 PM
Jack Warner's press conference earlier today

https://www.youtube.com/v/gbPRCVuokg8
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on June 23, 2015, 07:52:58 PM
Under all joke... Jack and this Jit Hardeen fella need to be real careful, especially over the course of the next few months.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 23, 2015, 09:15:49 PM
If JW's flow was more "fluid", this content would be more "marketable". But at least we know what he's been doing in his spare time ... working on production values. :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on June 23, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
There is something perplexing, sinister and self aggrandizing about the manner in which this is all unfolding. In one breath, the man is proclaiming that he is now standing up to corruption and advocating for integrity - throwing out literary allusions" not that I love .... Les but I love TnT more" , apologies to Shakespeare, Julius Caesar. Oh spare the attempts at platitudes of ethical practice - and then in one breath almost take solace in how ypu acquired evidence by taping a conversation while one is under duress and in the case of Gary Giffith without his consent and knowledge! Lawd how could you bold face so stand up for the champion of justice and  righteousness? And what motivated this? Ooooo after you felt betrayed and after a night of reflection at a "hotel"- nah ah eh believing that a tiger just lost he stripes just so!  Nah me thinks there is more to this stance!

Puzzling , when you consider that he claimed to have submitted this information to the Integerity Commission two years ago!  Puzzling in that back then there was no public declaration or public desire to come straight and denounce the corruption. Puzzling in the manner in which evidence was gathered- what was the reasoning back then? Is it conceivable that one knew that one day his fate may depend on deeds like this?

 Sinister in the timing and the motive- like a tru Shakespearean tragic hero-  moved by revenge, susceptible to human frailties: ( pick one) pride, jealousy, envy, greed arrogance, desire for power, feelings of infallibility and betrayal ( et tu KPB)!

There is also a " self seeking self righteous " holier than thou"  grandstanding that almost seems to create this martyr like complex - " I am ding this for the good of the nation" I must rid TnT of this wicked plague of corruption. What happens here in TnT is far more greater than an international scandal and I must be the one to stop it as I was the one who put the wicked one in power!  Ah a rose by any other name is still a rose! Pot calling the kettle black is simply foolishness at the end of the day. JW is finding out that cockroach has no business in hen party!
On a final note, given the "climes " in TnT is not this stance paramount to calling for the actualization of threats? Would that choice be nobler to pursue than waiting for the time of extradition?  Would the alternative  rectify all wrongs in the public eye and public sympathy be overflowing ?
Instead of being castigated as a rouge and suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortunes, I could see how speaking with reckless abandon and calling on almost inciting threats could be an underlying motive here.
Whatever the strategy, this is making for one heck of a "political soap opera " of tsunami like proportion I look forward to waking each day  and reading each day for another episode  of " Another World" " Days of our Lives" or " As the Stomach turns"  or as lyrics from an older Kaiso " woe is me shame and scandal in the " party" yuh friend is yuh enemy and yuh never know ah say woe is me ah getting betrayed by the people who ah thought was fuh me"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 24, 2015, 01:50:22 AM
Kamla: I refused to be blackmailed.
By Anika Gumbs (Express).


BLACKMAIL

PRIME Minister Kamla Persad- Bissessar said last night corruption accused Jack Warner is releasing tapes because she refused to be blackmailed in exchange for his reinstatement to the Cabinet.

Persad-Bissessar said she was made aware of the information on the tape immediately following the resignation of Warner as national security minister, but refused to give in to his demands and give him back his job.

This particular tape, featuring allegations of corruption against former minister of the people Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh and his instructions to Kristyan Gokool to go to her official St Ann's residence (which he has denied), was made on August 2013, about four months after Warner resigned from the Government.

Responding to questions sent by the Express yesterday by text, enquiring whether she was privy to the information on the audio tapes before it was aired by Warner, Persad-Bissessar said: Yes. Immediately after he had resigned from my Cabinet on my request, when in the face of damning allegations about FIFA (including the Sir David Simmons Report), I requested that he go and clear his name. I was made aware of what was being alleged, in an effort to blackmail me into taking him back into Government. Indeed, the allegations featured in the Chaguanas by-election.

Contrived and bogus allegations

Pressed on her blackmail statement, Persad-Bissessar said: In light of all of these bogus and contrived allegations, what am I left to assume? As you are aware, he has been bragging that he has files on members of my Government, and immediately after his resignation and more recently, he has been coming to the public with contrived and bogus allegations. He asked to be reinstated in his Government position or else he will bring down my entire Government.

Former minister of national security minister Gary Griffith is on record as saying he held informal talks with Warner to bridge the gap between him and the People's Partnership.

When the Express contacted Warner yesterday, asking if he attempted to use the recording to get back his job or form an alliance with the Partnership in the upcoming elections, he denied doing this.

Warner said: I never ever bargained with Ms Persad-Bissessar or anyone else re these disclosures. There are only three people who I have given a copy of the tapethe Integrity Commission, about two years ago; a lawyer, three weeks ago; and Mark Bassant (TV6 reporter), two weeks ago. Kamla has no favours that I want, now or ever. Finally, I do wish to reiterate to the national community that the worst is yet to come.

I never sent emissaries at any time to talk with Kamla but she did, and let her deny that and I will prove it.

Arrest a plot by Partnership

Warner resigned as national security minister on April 21, 2013, following a damning report from chairman of the CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Associations o Football) Integrity Committee Sir David Simmons, which revealed multimillion-dollar financial mismanagement by Warner and former Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer. Both men have been indicted by the United States on corruption charges.

Warner is on $2.5 million bail to cover eight criminal charges, on which he and 14 people are wanted in the United States in connection with allegations of bribery, money laundering, corruption and wire- fraud conspiracy, arising out of investigations conducted by the US government into operations at FIFA (Federation Internationale de Football Association).

But according to Warner, his arrest was a plot by the Partnership to silence him in the upcoming general election.

Declaring on May 27 the gloves are off, Warner also blamed the Partnership for him spending the night at the Frederick Street prison after he was unable to secure bail.

Since then, Warner has held two news conferences, airing voice recordings directly aimed at Persad-Bissessar and the People's Partnership.

Warner, who first made the claim of a marijuana find at Persad-Bissessar's private Phillipine residence, held a news conference on June 16 to defend his claim, insisting she was out of the country at the time of the discovery and wanted to resign when told of the discovery.

Persad-Bissessar has denied wanting to resign her job as Prime Minister and described Warner as delusional.

Warner also threw out the question Who is Kristyan? to Persad- Bissessar last Wednesday, at a political meeting in San Fernando.

Warner said: Kamla, for your sake and the country sake, tell them who is Kristyan. That is all. Tell the country who is Kristyan, Kamla. I go further to tell you to tell Jit Hardeen, a special reserve police (SRP) officer; ask him to tell us who is Kristyan because if she does not and he does not in two weeks' time I will.

Persad-Bissessar has said Kristyan Gokool is her neighbour and has attended functions at her home and the official residence at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann's.

Investigations by the Express have found Gokool bought a $6 million mansion next door to Persad-Bissessar's private Phillipine residence but has never lived in the house.

Persad-Bissessar has denied knowing Hardeen but said she was informed he was the driver of Ramadharsingh.

PM, Hardeen lash Jack.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian)


Immediate dismissals from Jitnarine Hardeen and the Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Thats what embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner received yesterday following his latest tapes, alleged to be former minister Dr Glenn Ramadharsinghs former driver Hardeen doing a wide-ranging expose on alleged Peoples Partnership intrigue and corruption, including involving the Prime Minister.

During a news conference at the Normandie, St Anns, Warner played the tapes, focusing on the Kristyan Gokool matter, again claiming he had to warn T&T about the Prime Minister, since she was unfit for office.

The Prime Minister says Kristyan Gokool is her neighbour Im saying they are more than neighbourly, Warner claimed.

However, when contacted on Warners tapes later, an angry sounding Hardeen said: That is not my voice on any tape! It is a total fabrication.

There will be a response from me on this very soon, Thats all I have to say for now.

Hardeen added on what action he would take against Warner.

Persad-Bissessar, in an immediate response to Warners various claims, also dismissed the allegation, saying last night they are more delusional claims which my lawyers will deal with.

He (Warner) has to answer to the US Attorney General and the FBI for his racketeering, money laundering and fraudulent wire transfers, so he seeks to come out of his box with these delusional claims.

Asked yesterday by reporters if he had any information to verify it was Hardeen on the tapes, Warner said if the need arose for other evidence they shall be produced.

Warner said he had given the same tapes to the Integrity Commission since 2013 and the tapes allegedly told of sleaze, graft, corruption, sexual misconduct and misbehaviour in public office.

Asked if he had made a complaint to the commission about the PM and Ramadharsinghon which his claims focussedWarner said he gave the Integerity Commission the tapes and said ...make your own judgement... I dont have to make a complaint. He said he didnt go to the police as the police may have been compromised.

Warner said after two years nothing had happened and when he checked the commission a year ago, the body said they had to match Hardeens voice with the tape through overseas sources.

He complained at length that while the commission had failed to deal with the matter, it wanted to ask him questions and had sought a tribunal to investigate him.

On the alleged Hardeen tape, Warner claimed Hardeen detailed allegations in a taped session at Warners office in Arouca on August 8, 2013, where the police officer came of his own volition.

Warner resigned from Government in April 2013 under fire for alleged corruption after a Concacaf probe.

Playing 17 minutes of an alleged 90-minute tape yesterday, Warner was heard instructing the person to state his name and address.

The person gives Hardeens name. Warner is then heard asking the person to tell him about the ministers houses, the corruption, apartments, the deals they make, with Dannys son going through security, tell me everything, tell me everything...

The person on the tape starts off with allegations about Ramadharsingh, in which Warners voice can be heard also interjecting and summarising information.

The voice claimed on one night he was told to go to a nearby hotel to collect someone, as Dip Centre security wouldnt let them enter with their private vehicle.

The person claimed it was a fair-skinned Indian fella. They claimed the DC security saw someone in the backseat and knew I left without anyone. The voice claimed the security sought the persons name and it was given.

The person claimed the passenger said he was the assistant to the PMs husband, Greg, and he came to pick up some clothes.

The person on the tape claimed authorisation to enter was given and around 2.30 am someone allegedly came out and said it was time for us to go home, Kristyan can fix up now...

Warner alleged to reporters that the Diplomatic Centre sentry diaries were changed to hide this matter.

Warner also said he had heard they had contacted Hardeen to swear to an affidavit to say what was on the tapes was false.

He claimed Hardeen subsequently called him three times and he taped all three calls on June 1, June 9 and June 16, 2015.

He played those tapes of the voice, purportedly of Hardeen, in which the caller asked if Warner had (on the platform) asked if Kristyan ever spent a night by the PM residence and saying Warner didnt want to meet him.

You know they watching me... they watching me, from the time I enter (the Centre of Excellence) they go lick me up, you know that, the voice said.

I have more tapesJack

After this, he claimed a good friend of the PM sought a meeting with him at the Works Ministry and allegedly accused Warner of bias towards Jusamco and Coosals in getting contracts.

Warner alleged that in 2011 the PM shut down the Ministry of Works PURE unit for an audit because of complaints from that friend. He claimed contracts had to be approved by her, which made things testy between them and in June 2012 he was transferred to National Security.

Warner claimed there were more tapes and while he would not play them each week, he would decide when prudently and then more Special Branch officers will have to resign.

The person taped also alleged a former minister had six houses and he was responsible for making payments, that monies allegedly came from a well known government contractor, including $3 million in four months, and that two named ministry managers were aware of the situation.

The person alleged the government contractor benefitted from URP programmes, had 52 companies and got 70 per cent of URP and the former ministers brother became adviser to another minister, whose appointment the former minister knew about before the PM announced it.

The person also claimed a ministers relative managed a government-run social programme in Sangre Grande.

The person alleged a former minister got a $2 million kickback from the Preysal Interchange but this was put in UNCs accounts as the minister stole money from UNCs 2010 campaign.

The taped voice claimed UNC general secretary Dave Tancoo was told of the situation and he told the PM.

He offered me $.25m to lie.
By Renuka Singh (Guardian).


Hardeen counters Jacks claim:

Special Reserve Police Officer Jitnarine Hardeen is denying outright that it is his voice heard on a recording played for the media by Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner yesterday. Hardeen issued a legal letter to Warner yesterday threatening action.

There is no truth in any of these allegations nor the contents of any of your statements, nor the contents of the tape or tapes, Hardeen said through his lawyer.

Hardeen, who was the retained driver for former minister of social development Dr Glenn Ramadharsingh, yesterday countered Warners damning recording of telephone conversations, alleging that Warner in fact offered him some $250,000 to agree that the voice on tape was his.

In a three-page legal letter, Hardeens attorney, Dennis Rampersad, picked apart Warners tape, denying every bit of the alleged conversation between Hardeen and Warner.

Hardeen, through his lawyer, confirmed he has been in contact with Warner but said it was Warner who tried to influence him to unlawfully and illegally accept that he is the voice on these tapes and the provider of the information thereon.

In fact, you would recall that you offered my client the sum of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to be part of your nefarious and sinister conspiracy to defame innocent persons. My client has consistently refused to be part of any untrue plot to defame innocent persons, the letter stated.

The letter added that at Warners request, Hardeen was interviewed by Frederick John.

And you are aware that he confirmed officially that he was not the voice on the tape and that the contents of any tape has nothing to do with my client, the letter stated.

On one of the recordings played by Warner, the voice claims to have collected as much as $3 million as kickbacks for contracts awarded through Ramadharsinghs former ministry.

My client denies that he ever picked up any money from anyone for any illicit purposes. He has never received $3,000,000 from anyone or at all, Hardeen said through his lawyer.

Hardeen also denied any knowledge of a relationship between Kristyan Gokool and Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, as alleged on the recordings played by Warner.

My client is of the view that your statements are maliciously untrue and calculated to bring him into disrepute, odium and contempt among right thinking members of society, the lawyer said.

Your statements are calculated to defame my client and wrongfully accuse him of being involved in criminal matters.

My client confirms that he has no knowledge of what is on the tapes in your possession or that the telephone number that you have mentioned publicly is his or belongs to him, he added.

Ramadharsingh is also threatening legal action against TV6 for airing snippets of the same tapes played by Warner.

In a statement yesterday, he said, I listened with amazement at the defamatory statement made on TV6s television report entitled The Hardeen Expose aired on Monday 22nd June, 2015. I have expressed my horror that such an untrue statement was made.

While I understand the need for free press, it must be a free and responsible press. Also, I have taken note that no one exercised the simple courtesy of a call for a comment on this matter.

It is remarkable and I hope that they can prove that I was involved in bribing someone or got someone to change a statement or make a statement that was false. I have always supported the truth but it appears that the truth in this matter will emerge in the courts, as clearly the need for financial gain trumps professionalism and responsible journalism.

Both Ramadharsingh and Hardeen are represented by the same attorney and it was Ramadharsinghs secretary who issued Hardeens legal letter to the media last night.

When the T&T Guardian contacted Hardeen to find out the connection between the two, Hardeen quickly disconnected the call and refused to respond to subsequent attempts to reach him.

In a text exchange with Warner yesterday, the former national security minister called on Hardeen to sue him if any of the information he released was untrue.

Well let them sue me, Warner said.

Warner has been given 24 hours to respond to the legal letter.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on June 24, 2015, 05:51:25 AM
Warner's going to single-handedly reinvigorate the agricultural sector by spewing all that bullsh*t over the country.

Where's Horner when you need him?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 25, 2015, 01:56:05 AM
He vowed to bring down PP.
By Yvonne Webb (Guardian).


PM offers reason for Jacks attack...

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar says her partys former chairman, now arch nemesis, Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner, cried like a baby when she demanded his letter of resignation in 2013 and instructed him to clear his name. But she asserted she was a strong woman and all of his current lies and fabrications against her would not make her cry.

I tell you, this woman no cry. This woman will not cry, will never cry, she said as she boasted of her strength as a woman during a United National Congress cottage meeting in the Oropouche East constituency on Tuesday night. Revealing details previously unknown to the public, Persad-Bissessar said when she demanded Warners resignation after the Sir David Simmonds Concacaf report, he (Warner) asked for seven more days but she refused.

He swore he will do everything he could to take down my Government but we have stood strong. We have stood tall and we will continue to stand, she said. The PMs statement came hours after Warner released another tape at a press conference in Port-of-Spain, which he claimed allegedly told of sleaze, graft, corruption, sexual misconduct and misbehaviour in public office arising out of an alleged incident at the Diplomatic Centre in 2013.

Shrugging off Warners allegations once again, the PM said her strength and gender, plus the fact that she fired him, had him angry and delusional. I formed a government in 2010 and I did my best to ensure that we delivered and when ministers failed they were sacked. I do not apologise for that.

I am a woman and I am strong. He cannot handle that. The first female prime minister I am of this very great nation and so he resents my gender, he does not respect the office I hold and that is not an insult just to me, it is an insult to the people of Trinidad and Tobago and every woman of Trinidad and Tobago, she added.

She said he was delusional because he knows for a fact that he cannot overthrow me and I have refused every of his attempts to control and to influence me. Saying she was fed up with the gruesome twosomeOpposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley and WarnerPersad-Bissessar said she was ready to fight them both any time, anywhere, any day and beat them.

She said she would stand and fight like a mother whose child was in danger for her country. She said she would not play into their hands and be distracted by their lies and allegations.

Kamla Not afraid of attacks

Persad-Bissessar said her focus ahead of the September 7 general election would be on issues, rolling out her Governments plans, policies and programmes to continue to build a new Trinidad and Tobago. She said the Peoples National Movement (PNM) had no plans or programmes, that is why they were fabricating lies and allegations against her Government which had outperformed every single government in the history of T&T.

Taking a cue from Warner, Persad-Bissessar took off the gloves and took aim at her former Cabinet colleague and his sidekick Mr Rowley, saying their stories were becoming more bizarre, wild and delusional each week but she will not play out their script. My lawyers will deal with their lies and fabrications. I will not play into their script because this is now becoming like stay tuned.

You remember the series on TV, Peyton Place? They say Stay tuned next week... coming soon to a theatre near you is the latest in the episode in the series of a man on the list of the most wanted men in the world, she added.

She told the audience, which included former finance minister Gerald Yetming and  former Senate president Timothy Hamel-Smith, that Warner, is like a Jack in a box who is trying to jump out of the box and that box is that he must answer for racketeering, he must answer for wire fraud transfer, he must answer for money laundering and those charges are not by us here, those charges come from every country around the world.

She had the audience laughing when she said she had one good thing to say about Warner and that was he did not discriminate. He does not discriminate. He took money from every continent in the world, including right here in the Caribbean... from Haiti, she said. Saying her Government will win the September 7 election and her seat will be the first to be declared for the UNC, she also took aim at Rowley, saying he was bitter because she fought him with the Emailgate matter and cleared her name.

She called on Rowley to clear the air on the statement attributed to the Laventille PNM candidate Fitzgerald Hinds about people like alligators in a lagoon. You never condemned the Calcutta ship statement in Tobago and now today your members are speaking about alligators in a lagoon. Well, let me tell you, I planted rice, like many of you, in a lagoon. It doesnt matter where you come from, what matters is where you are going and where you are, she added.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 26, 2015, 02:08:38 AM
Jack on Kamlas statement: No tears from me
T&T Guardian Reports.


Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Jack Warner says statements made by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar that he cried when he was asked to leave the government in 2013 are false.

Addressing supporters at an ILP cottage meeting in Indian Walk, Moruga, on Wednesday night, Warner said he never cried. While speaking to United National Congress (UNC) supporters in Debe on Tuesday, Persad-Bissessar said Warner cried when asked to leave office in 2013.

She said I cried. The only time I remember any tears between Kamla and me was when she was crying in Cabinet over Reshmi. She was saying she had been set up, Warner said.

He was referring to the appointment of Reshmi Ramnarine, a junior technician, to lead the Strategic Services Agency, a covert unit set up in 2011 to monitor criminal activities. Ramnarine was later fired because she was unqualified for the job.

Cabinet had to be adjourned. If you see snatty nose. She was crying. That was the only tears between Kamla and me, he said. Warner said he volunteered to leave the government and was not asked to do so as Persad-Bissessar previously said.

I cried? When I came out of Kamla office, I met (Roodal) Moonilal, Suruj (Rambachan) and Chandresh Sharma by the door. I said hi and bye and I left. I said to her I will leave and therefore to say I cried is not true, he said.

Responding to Persad-Bissessars statements that he was attacking her because she is a woman, Warner said: She says she is being attacked because she is a woman, well I never heard about so much foolishness but I know as an old hunter...male manicou, female manicou, same shot...when you in the bush you dont say that manicou will escape because its a female.

Warner said Persad-Bissessar opened her life up to criticisms when she became Prime Minister. If anybody is delusional is Kamla not me. My friends know what I drink, when I drink and where and that is all I will say.

What PM Said

Speaking to United National Congress (UNC) supporters in Debe on Tuesday night, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said Warner cried when he was fired from her government in 2013.  Mr Warner came to the Diplomatic Centre, the same centre he is now maligning with his lies, with a letter of resignation. He gave me the letter which I still have, he was resigning from the government and he cried, he cried that night.

He knew the David Simmons report was coming out the very day when I was out the country, so he took front with it, came and cried and said Hey if you want this Ill give it to you, keep it whatever.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on June 26, 2015, 06:41:24 AM
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 29, 2015, 04:29:41 AM
Extradition papers delivered to Ministry of Foreign Affairs
By Denyse Renne (Express).


US SENDS FOR JACK

Official documentation requesting the extradition of Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner has been delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Sources told the Express that around midday yesterday the package was dropped off via courier and will be sent to Central Authority head Netram Kowlessar today.

The package, sources say, also gives detailed listings of the alleged offences against Warner, who is wanted on wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering charges.

Contacted yesterday evening, Attorney General Garvin Nicholas said he is unaware that the US Department of Justice had sent the necessary paperwork for the commencement of extradition proceedings.

I am unaware of that, Nicholas said.

Kowlessar said: I don't know. I wasn't in office today (yesterday). I will check when I go in tomorrow (today).

Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Dookeran when contacted also said he was unaware if any package had arrived.

Sources told the Express, that extradition proceedings ought to come through diplomatic channels and this would be through Foreign Affairs and then sent to the Central Authority.

It has been a month since a provisional warrant was issued for the arrest of Warner.

Warner is currently on $2.5 million bail after surrendering himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27 after learning the warrant had been issued for his arrest.

He is being represented by a battery of attorneys, including Fyard Hosein SC, Nyree Alphonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj, while the State is being represented by Pamela Elder SC, attorneys Jagdeo Singh and Gerald Ramdeen.

Queens Counsel Alan Newman and James Lewis have also been retained by the State and will be appearing alongside the local team on July 9, when the matter next comes up for hearing.

Warner will next appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port of Spain Court on July 9.

He is accused of accepting a $10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup. Officials in South Africa have denied that the money was a bribe.

Warner has denied wrongdoing and claimed that the charges are part of a US witchhunt meant to punish him for his support of Qatar's 2022 World Cup.

Sources told the Express that had the documentation not arrived by July 9, the matter would have been adjourned to a date on or before July 27, since the State was given 60 days to furnish documentation from the U.S. regarding Warner's extradition.

The 60 days took effect following the provisional warrant being served on Warner.

On June 3, Warner and other FIFA officials were placed on red notice by Interpol.

Former executive committee member Nicolas Leoz and corporate executives Alejandro Burzaco, Hugo and Mariano Jinkis and Jose Margulies, also known as Jose Lazaro, were placed on the notices following a request by law enforcement officials in the United States.

The red notice was issued to all Interpol member countries and is geared towards seeking the location and arrest of wanted persons with a view to extradition or similar lawful action.

Essentially, this means if Warner decides to leave the jurisdiction of T&T and go to another country, law enforcement will be alerted upon his arrival.

With this red notice in effect, it also means that all flight manifestos, train stations, ports air and sea and other modes of transportation will be closely monitored.

According to international reports, Lazaro is under house arrest in Paraguay.

Local Interpol sources say the alert is normal when dealing with an investigation of this magnitude and with such high-profile individuals.

The Interpol red notice means those named risk arrest anywhere they travel.

Argentinians Burzaco and Hugo Jinkis are accused of paying more than $100 million in bribes for media and commercial rights to football tournaments; and Margulies, a Brazilian broadcast executive.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on June 29, 2015, 06:29:08 AM
Would understand if the following are also under red notice:
Uncle Tim, Rodent, Scampito, Uncle Sad-ramper.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on June 29, 2015, 09:57:35 AM
It's heerrrrrree.....,.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 30, 2015, 01:57:53 AM
AG: US still to ask for Jack extradition.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


There are no extradition requests yet for corruption accused Jack Warner, according to the United States Embassy.

The US Department of Justice has not yet sent any final requests on the Jack Warner extradition request to the Trinidad and Tobago authorities and is still within the 60-day window specified by the treaty for the final request to be delivered, stated the embassy in a release yesterday.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas also told the Express his office did not receive any documents yet relative to the extradition.

Based on information received, the Express yesterday reported official documentation requesting the extradition of former FIFA vice-president, corruption accused Warner was delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Warner is currently on $2.5 million bail after surrendering himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27 after learning the warrant had been issued for his arrest.

Warner will next appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port of Spain Court on July 9.

He is accused of accepting a US$10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup, which he has denied.

The US Department of Justice has 60 days from the date of the provisional warrant being served on Warner (May 27) to furnish documents for an extradition request.

Questions sent to Warner yesterday were not answered.

He continues the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) election campaign this week with meetings carded for tomorrow and Thursday.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on June 30, 2015, 06:17:00 AM
It's not heeeerrrrre.......
Liar, liar pants on fire.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 01, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
I'm not going anywhere.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


Bring it on!

Corruption accused Former embattled FIFA Vice President Jack Warner declared last night that he is not going anywhere and if the United States sends for him, he's ready to battle them.

The former FIFA Vice President also questioned why taxpayers money was being used to pay legal fees for a US case against him.

He said the Government should also pay his legal fees as the only person who's doing work pro bono for him is Rekha Ramjit.

Warner, the leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) , was speaking tonight at a cottage meeting in Claxton Bay.

"I ain't running, I ain't hiding , all I say to them is bring it on and when they bring it on it will be a long hot summer," said Warner.

"Jack Warner eh going anywhere, he ain't going anywhere...I'll be here not for five, 10 or 15 years, I will be here for a very long time" said Warner.

"He could take that and carry it to the bank!" added Warner , referring to Attorney General Garvin Nicholas.

Warner noted a US news report which stated that he was charged with wire fraud as $295,000 of FIFA money was wired to him in December 2010.

Warner said if this is what he got after 30 years in FIFA, he's still owed money.

Turning to his extradition matter, Warner said what worries him was that the US has a provisional warrant for him but taxpayers money was being used to put up a case for the US for which they say they have evidence.

He pointed out that an English QC and five local lawyers were retained at taxpayers' expense.

"That for me is patently unfair," said Warner.

He assured that he fears nothing because he believes he has the best legal team and God.

"I sleep very soundly at night...because I have nothing to fear. The Lord is my Shepherd," said Warner.

He said further said that if money mattered to him he would not take a salary of $1 a month, $60 total for five years as the Chaguanas West MP.

He added that he never took a Government loan to purchase a vehicle.

Warner boasted that there was no Cabinet Minister who has been more generous than him.

He said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar was unfit for office as well as her team.

Holding up a copy of the Sunshine newspaper headlined "Devant Playboy" Warner said the front page was posted on Facebook and generated 103,000 hits.

The front page bears the photograph of Food Production Minister Devant Maharaj in an affectionate position with a woman.

The ILP deputy leader Rekha Ramjit also spoke about Warner's legal issues.

However before getting into her speech she declared , "I am Rekha Ramjit and I am not for sale".

Ramjit, an attorney, said that Warner's extradition matter is a long process that will take years.

She said there was never any provisional warrant of arrest for businessmen Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

She added that the US extradition request for them came in 2005 and it wasn't until 2012 that the courts ruled that they will not be extradited.

"In this particular issue it will be a long time before this process is complete," said Ramjit.

She noted that on May 26 the provisional warrant of arrest was issued for Warner.

She said this warrant was just a statement of bare charges with no evidence attached.

Ramjit said under the extradition treaty the provisional warrant of arrest is issued if urgent.

"What was the urgency that caused him to execute a provisional warrant without any evidence on a prominent citizen," said Ramjit.

She noted that 35 days have passed and yet to yesterday's date they have not provided that evidence.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 01, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Jack is very calculated and is turning out to be more pronounced than the Wizard Harry Potter.

He has now hired one of more astute extradition lawyers money can buy.

There is much to be learnt from his antics and how he uses the media while plotting his next move.

Regardless of how one feels about him, we all can learn a thing or two. ;D




Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 02, 2015, 10:50:31 PM
Jack Warner hires lawyer who represented Myra Hindley
The Guardian (UK).


The former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has hired the lawyer who represented the Moors murderer Myra Hindley in his fight against extradition to the United States.

Edward Fitzgerald QC, who has also represented the controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza, has confirmed he is advising Warner and his legal team in Trinidad.

Warner, former head of the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football, has been indicted by the US justice department on eight counts of football-related corruption and is currently on bail in Trinidad. Among the charges, he is accused of taking a $10m (6.5m) bribe to vote for South Africa to host the 2010 World Cup.

Significantly, Fitzgerald has also represented the Trinidad businessman Steve Ferguson, who has successfully resisted extradition to the USA for the last 10 years.

Fitzgerald, who has won human rights awards for his cases challenging death sentences, confirmed he was working for Warner but said he could not discuss any details of the case.

Warners sons Daryll and Daryan, and his former deputy Chuck Blazer, have all pleaded guilty to related charges among 18 people who have been indicted by US authorities. Seven of them, including Warners successor as Concacaf president, Jeffrey Webb, are in custody in Switzerland pending extradition hearings.

Warner, who was forced to resign from Fifa in 2011 after being caught up in a corruption scandal, has insisted he has done nothing wrong. In a statement earlier this month, Warner said: I have been afforded no due process and I have not even been questioned in this matter. I reiterate that I am innocent of any charges.

The US embassy in Port of Spain said no final extradition request had been made to the Trinidad and Tobago attorney general.

It said on its Twitter account: The US Department of Justice has not yet sent any final requests on the Jack Warner extradition request to the T&T authorities."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 05, 2015, 06:19:47 AM
Jack not leaving T&T soon
Shaliza Hassanali (Guardian)


Embattled Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader and former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner is not leaving T&T anytime soon.

According to former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj, SC, Warner could spend between seven and eight years fighting his extradition in court.

He said one thing Warner had going for him was his lawyer Edward Fitzgerald, QC, a leading extradition practitioner for the past 20 years, who has a track record of winning extradition cases worldwide.

Fitzgerald represented Gary McKinnon, a Scottish systems administrator and hacker, who was accused in 2002 of perpetrating the biggest military computer hack of all time. For many years, Fitzgerald represented McKinnon in a judicial review proceedings and drafted the representations to the British Home Secretary which resulted in her withdrawing the order for his clients extradition.

From mid-July, Maharaj said, he would host a series of public meetings to explain how Warners extradition could be tied up in the court system for years and the Government was only fooling citizens with its claim that Warners last days in Trinidad were imminent.

Faced with extradition to the US on racketeering, corruption and bribery charges, Warner, 72, at an ILP meeting in Claxton Bay on Tuesday, dared authorities to take him to the US.

Warner, who surrendered himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27 after learning that a provisional warrant had been issued for his arrest, emphatically stated that he was not leaving T&T not now, not ever.

Accused of accepting a $10 million bribe in exchange for helping South Africa secure the right to host the 2010 World Cup, Warner told supporters, Ill be here not for five, ten or 15 years. I will be here for a very long time and they could take that and carry it to the bank! Everyone wants to see Jack leave here. They are pushing for Jack to leave, but up to today they cant lay a single charge. I aint running and hiding. All I can say is bring it on and when they bring it on it will be a long, hot summer.

Warners bold assertion came two days after a report in the Express newspaper that official documentation requesting his extradition had been delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The US Embassy in Port-of-Spain in a release issued last Monday stated that the US Department of Justice had not yet sent any final requests for Warners extradition to the T&T authorities.

Extradition proceedings would have to be stayed

On Wednesday, Maharaj said the extradition process did not mean that as soon as a foreign country made a request, the person regarding whom the request was made would immediately be extradited to the requesting country.

Maharaj said first there was a 60-day period for Warners extradition papers to be filed in the court.

When those papers are filed, the court has to listen to submissions as to whether the extradition is within the law. If there is a constitutional issue raised before the magistrate, the magistrate does not have any jurisdiction to deal with constitutional rights, issues or violation of the Constitution.

Maharaj said Warner, through his attorneys, could then ask the magistrate under Section 14 of the Constitution to refer the matter to the High Court to determine the issue.

The magistrate will have to refer the matter to the High Court unless the points raised by Warners lawyers are frivolous or vexatious.

When the matter is referred to the High Court, Warner has a right to appeal any decision of the High Court, to the Court of Appeal and Privy Council. In the meantime, the extradition proceedings would have to be stayed. Warner cannot be extradited, Maharaj said.

Even if the magistrate refused to refer the matter to the High Court, Maharaj said Warners lawyers can apply for judicial review of the magistrates decision before the High Court. The High Court decision in a judicial review, under the Judicial Review Act, can be appealed in the same way as a right [of appeal] to the High Court, Court of Appeal and Privy Council.

A long drawn-out process

If the matter reaches and finishes in the Privy Council and Warner did not succeed, Maharaj said, The matter would have to go back to the magistrates court. There, Warners lawyers can argue on the evidential aspect of the matter. Based on that evidential aspect any decision of the magistrate can be reviewed on judicial review to the High Court. And from the High Court to the Court of Appeal to the Privy Council.

In a nutshell, Maharaj said, This would be a long, drawn-out process, as long as there are legal points to be argued. This legal process can take years, as long as seven to eight years in Trinidad.

Maharaj said, hence, the reason Warner was not bothered about the extradition.

No one cant come just so and take him on a plane to the US. If they do that it would be an abuse of process. Warner is entitled to due process of law and enjoyment of his constitutional rights in the home country.

Maharaj said it would be a difficult task to extradite Warner since Fitzgerald, along with local attorney Fyard Hosein, SC, would put up a hard fight.

Warner doing damage to their image and character

Meanwhile, Maharaj said Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her Government should not undermine the Constitution and due process of law to extradite Warner who has become a weapon against the Government, doing great damage to their image and character.

On Thursday, Warner, who is on $2.5 million bail, will appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Court when the matter next comes up for hearing.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2015, 05:10:18 PM
Fifa crisis: Concacaf begins path to reform after scandal

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33409296


It is easy to get confused at times by the various acronyms of football's continental confederations.

But for a while now, it has been very clear what Concacaf stands for. And it certainly has not been good governance.

The Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football has been at the heart of the corruption crisis that has engulfed Fifa.

And yet, surprising as it may seem to many, the governing body is now hoping to set an example when it comes to reforms.

A brief reminder of Concacaf's summer so far. First its president, Jeffrey Webb, was arrested on corruption charges along with his vice-president Eduardo Li. Together with former Concacaf president Jack Warner, they were among 14 soccer officials and sports-marketing executives charged with paying or accepting more than $150m (96m) in bribes and kickbacks over more than two decades related to the media and marketing rights for matches in Concacaf competitions.

The FBI raided Concacaf's Miami base, and its general-secretary Enrique Sanz was provisionally banned by Fifa's ethics committee.

Also indicted were Julio Rocha, a Fifa development officer from Nicaragua who had been inducted into Concacaf's Hall of Fame, and Aaron Davidson, the president of the sponsorship rights agency Traffic Sports USA - which worked with Concacaf.

Meanwhile, it was revealed that former Concacaf general-secretary Chuck Blazer had pleaded guilty to several charges related to corruption in 2013, including arranging and agreeing to accept bribes to influence voting for countries hoping to host the 1998 and 2010 World Cups.

With the confederation's reputation lying in tatters, and some of its most senior officials languishing in Zurich jails or suspended, Concacaf turned to the heads of its three biggest member nations to form a 'special committee' - Justino Compean of Mexico, Sunil Gulati of the United States and Victor Montagliani of Canada.

Their task was to take control of day-to-day operations, co-operate with the investigating authorities in the USA and Switzerland, begin an internal investigation, and try to identify a way forward.

And they have now presented the reforms they want Concacaf to implement "to right its ship".

These include:

independent members on Concacaf's eight-member executive committee (Exco), not affiliated with any football-related activities of any member association
term limits on all members of the Exco, including the president
full publication of senior officials' salaries, which must also be approved by the full congress on an annual basis
full publication of Concacaf's annual financial statements and budget
a "pre-approved" vendor system for all contracts with Concacaf to prevent fraud
annual training to Exco members on duties and corporate governance
appointment of a chief compliance officer with responsibility for overseeing a new compliance programme
setting up a whistleblower hotline

Although this reform framework has been approved by Concacaf's executive committee, and some measures will be implemented immediately, others (like the introduction of independent Exco members) will require the consent of the full 41-member congress.

But according to Concacaf's special committee: "This framework attempts to address deficiencies in the governance and operations of Concacaf that have put its reputation, finances and mission at risk.

"It is important that Concacaf not just talk about reforms, but implement processes to ensure those reforms have impact and effect greater governance and transparency in order to position Concacaf as a leader among sports organizations in terms of breadth and strength of reforms."

For many, the notion that Concacaf may be in a position to provide leadership just weeks after the crisis began is laughable. After all, the confederation has had plenty of opportunities to reform itself in the past but the cronyism has continued.

Warner, for example, had faced corruption allegations since the 1980s. In 2011, he was accused of attempting to bribe Caribbean delegates with $40,000 (25,700) each to vote for Fifa presidential candidate Mohamed bin Hammam. Having replaced Warner, Webb was portrayed as a reformer, a man who would clean up Concacaf. Instead, he now stands accused of continuing the corruption that appears to have become rampant.


It will need time therefore, before Concacaf can convince the world of sport that it can truly be trusted to reform itself. Why - many will ask - has it taken until now to act? The reforming credentials of the Concacaf special committee will certainly be scrutinised given all three men have been involved in Concacaf politics for several years.

And it seems Concacaf had little choice but to clean up its act. There were also reports that the Bank of Nova Scotia warned that it would withhold funds from a major sponsorship deal unless the confederation changed its ways

However, after so many years of damaging allegations, this is at least a sign Concacaf realises something drastic is needed if faith is ever to be restored. One can only imagine just how more advanced the sport would now be in the Americas if some of those in power had spent the money from television and marketing contracts on properly developing the game, rather than allegedly lining their own pockets.

Concacaf, like other football organisations around the world, is desperately in need of new blood. If these measures achieve that, maybe they can work.

Meanwhile, in Zurich, outgoing Fifa president Sepp Blatter and his audit committee chief Domenico Scala continue to work on their own reform programme. Many critics believe the time has come for Fifa to be told what to do to by an external reform commission, headed up by an internationally respected figure like Kofi Annan.

It will be interesting to see whether Fifa takes note of Concacaf's action and follows suit as it also tries to retain control of its own destiny and repair its battered reputation.

Title: Suspended FIFA official Webb was director of Warners company
Post by: Tallman on July 08, 2015, 09:53:24 PM
Suspended FIFA official Webb was director of Warners company
By Simon Evans (Reuters)


Suspended CONCACAF president Jeffrey Webb was a director 10 years ago of a Cayman Islands company controlled by Jack Warner, the former head of the Americas regional soccer body who is facing U.S. corruption charges, a court document shows.

The document links Webb, who is also facing U.S. charges and who pledged to fight corruption when he took over CONCACAF in 2012, to controversial television rights deals that were struck in the region during Warners 21 years at the helm of CONCACAF.

Webb had vowed to reform the confederation which governs the sport in North and Central America and the Caribbean following a cash for votes scandal involving Warner and Qatari Mohammed Bin Hammam, then president of the Asian Football Confederation

A lawyer for Warner declined to comment on the document. Webbs lawyer was not immediately reachable.

Webb, who has also been suspended as a vice president of world soccer governing body FIFA, is currently being detained in Switzerland after he was indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) as part of its probe into soccer-related corruption. It is unclear whether he plans to challenge a request from U.S. authorities that he be extradited to New York to face trial.

The DOJ has accused Webb of receiving kickbacks from deals with sports marketing company Traffic Sports, after taking over as CONCACAF president. On Tuesday, CONCACAF and Traffic ended their corporate relationships.

Trinidad and Tobago-based Warner has also been indicted in the DOJ investigation on charges of racketeering conspiracy, wire fraud, and money laundering conspiracy, including taking $10 million (7 million pounds) to influence voting on South Africa to host the 2010 World Cup.

Warner remains in Trinidad but U.S authorities disclosed that his sons Daryan and Darrll reached plea agreements with U.S. authorities.

The 2005 document is an application in the Grand Court of the Cayman Islands to restore J and D International to the register of companies, names Webb as a director. Webb was president of the Cayman Islands Football Association at that time.

The document has been seen by Reuters, and was first reported by the Cayman Compass newspaper on Wednesday.

The company, also known as JDI, was used by Warner to secure television rights deals for World Cups from FIFA.

Warner has stated that he personally received Caribbean television rights for several World Cups at a knock-down price, in return for electoral support of FIFA president Sepp Blatter and then sold the rights on to the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which is part of CONCACAF.

Warner, who was member of FIFAs executive committee from 1983, said in a written statement, shortly after he quit all football positions in 2011, that in 1998 he received the World Cup rights for Trinidad and Tobago from FIFA, through Mexican company OTI, for just one dollar.

Warner said he also received, personally, the rights to the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 World Cups.

Warner denies wrongdoing and has not been charged in connection with those deals.

A 2001 contract between JDI and the CFU seen by Reuters, states the rights were received from German media company Kirchmedia WM Gmbh and that JDI sold them to the CFU for $4.25 million as part of a seven-year deal.

The contract notes that JDI was based in the Cayman Islands in 2001. It is not clear if the company still exists.

Kirchmedia declared itself insolvent in 2002.

Webb had been strongly praised by FIFA President Sepp Blatter and viewed by some as a potential successor as leader of the body.

In his first address, after being elected CONCACAF president in Budapest in 2012, Webb drew applause when he said: Our past will never be repeated.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on July 08, 2015, 11:03:50 PM
How come a certain Jamacian captain EH get caught up in this web?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 09, 2015, 01:50:54 AM
Warner back in court over Fifa fraud charges.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Former Fifa vice-president and current Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner will reappear in the court today for the continuation of his extradition proceedings over 12 fraud charges arising out of a United States investigation into corruption within world footballs governing body.

His appearance before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Eighth Magistrates Court would be his second since he was indicted via a provisional warrant after the US Department of Justice announced in May the results of their investigation into him and 13 of his former colleagues.

The T&T Guardian understands that todays hearing would be relatively short as sources say the Central Authority Unit of the Office of the Attorney General is yet to receive the formal extradition request from US authorities, which Warners legal team will need in order to prepare his defence. A source said the documents are expected to arrive in T&T shortly and would be immediately disclosed to Warner to clear the way for the official start of the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

According to a BBC report published last Thursday, Swiss authorities, who arrested seven of Warners co-accused in a luxury hotel in Zurich hours before the former government minister surrendered to local police, received their formal requests from the US last Wednesday.

The officials, including former Concacaf president and Fifa vice-president Jeffery Webb, will now have an opportunity to respond to the extradition request before Switzerlands Federal Office of Justice (FOJ) makes its decision.

Their eventual extradition to the US to face trial is expected to take several months as the officials will be given an opportunity to appeal the FOJs decision to Switzerlands Supreme Court. Warner and his former colleagues face a total of 47 charges for allegedly taking part in a scheme involving the soliciting and collecting of bribes for media and marketing rights for several major international football tournaments.

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigation was initiated following allegations of corruption in the bidding process for the Russia 2018 and Qatar 2022 World Cups but was eventually widened to include questionable deals spanning over two decades.

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011. He is currently on $2.5 million bail.

Warner is being represented by British Queens Counsel Edward Fitzgerald, who led the team of lawyers who successfully challenged the extradition of businessmen Ish Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

His legal team also includes Keith Scotland, Rishi Dass and Nyree Alfonso. Pamela Elder, SC, Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen, Alvin Pariagsingh and head of the Central Authority Netram Kowlessar are representing the US interest in the case. British Queens Counsel James Lewis has been retained to lead the States legal team.

Title: US has until July 27 for Warner request; Wired868 brings extradition to life
Post by: SWF Reporter on July 09, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
US has until July 27 for Warner request; Wired868 brings extradition to life
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)

Controversial Jamaat-al-Muslimeen Imam Yasin Abu Bakr will not be the most talked about man on this July 27the 25th anniversary of Trinidad and Tobagos attempted coup.
The United States Department of Justice (DOJ), according to the Extradition Act, has 60 days from the issuance of a provisional warrant to Chaguanas West MP and ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to officially present its case for his extradition.
And, coincidentally, those 60 days end on July 27. So, that is when legal parties for Warner and the State will return to the Port of Spain Magistrates Court, which is just a stones throw away from where Abu Bakr and his men launched their memorable attack on the Parliament.
As if this extradition case needed any more intrigue.
This morningas the extradition hearing sort of started but really didntwas an orientation for all concerned.
It was a scheduled 9 am start but Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar was fashionably late and clocked in at 9.26 am.
Warner, whose fondness of early starts is one of his enduring myths, was already seated outside the court room at around 8 am when Wired868 got there.
Of course, the self-titled Robin Hood of Arouca is well aware of the importance of keeping character. Although there is no evidence to suggest that he bribed a few public servants, secretly taped any politicians or paid to send anyone through university while he waited for Ayers-Caesar to turn up.
Inside the Magistrates Court, there was no opportunity for Warner to so much as clear his throat, much less release incriminating evidence about any members of the States legal termand we are looking at you here, Gerald Ramdeen.
In court, paid gunsthey rather the term attorneysprefer to do the shooting, and legal jargon, customs and technicalities are mysterious enough as to ensure that the do it yourself phenomena is yet to put lawyers out of work.
Court room defence techniques for dummies will have some ground to cover before it becomes nearly as weighty as a lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client.
So, Warner was represented by enough attorneys to fill three SUVs while the States gang looked just as well resourced.
FIFA money on the one hand, taxpayers money on the other.
Two thirds of the viewing gallery inside the court room were actually attorneys who had nothing to do with the case. Perhaps they hoped someone might trip over an adjective and a substitute would be needed. Or, more likely, they were there to learn from the big-hitters.
Thankfully, no fresh faced attorney asked Wayne Sturge for an autograph in the immediate aftermath.
Queens Counsel Allan Newman spoke for the State and he is as British as a cup of tea, a grey afternoon and an Enid Blyton book. So British he probably has a porcelain bulldog on his office desk and a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II next his family photos.
Or, if more illumination is needed, imagine Timothy Spall in character as Simon Graham in The Last Samurai or Peter Pettigrew in Harry Potter.
Newman asked Ayers-Caesar to adjourn the extradition case until August 14.

Read more: http://wired868.com/2015/07/09/us-has-until-july-27-for-warner-request-wired868-brings-extradition-to-life/

Title: Re: US has until July 27 for Warner request; Wired868 brings extradition to life
Post by: Controversial on July 09, 2015, 02:34:49 PM
Ramesh said it best...7 years maybe.. Both the state and defence have dream jobs with this case... 7 years of work and  a lot of show boating and nothing moving at all..

Just raking in the dough ....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 12, 2015, 06:04:47 AM
Jack Paid Himself
By Anika Gumbs (Express).


$$ for salaries deducted from Chaguanas West constituency account into Warners private bank account.

THREE cheques totalling just over $0.7 million from a bank account belonging to the Chaguanas West constituency were deposited into a personal and a business account both belonging to corruption-accused Jack Warner.

And while Warner has opted to remain mum until Tuesday, when he will hold a news conference, cheques and bank statements obtained by the Sunday Express show a paper trail of the questionable transactions dating back to 2009 right up to months before Warner resigned as minister of national security in 2013.

It was in the face of a damning Sir David Simmons CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Associations of Football) report of allegations of multi-million-dollar financial mismanagement against him and former CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer that Warner resigned on April 21, 2013.

Two months before his resignation, bank records show on January 10, 2013, a cheque for $250,000 was made payable to Intercommercial Bank Ltd (IBL) from the Chaguanas West constituency Republic Bank account #290457900101 held at Tragarete Road, Port of Spain.

This cheque was deposited into Warner's personal account #373498 at the IBL days later. One month before this, on December 10, 2012, bank records also showed a second cheque for $250,000 was made payable to IBL from the Chaguanas West constituency bank account.

This cheque was also deposited into Warner's personal account at IBL.

Chaguanas West money paid to Warner's company

Bank records further revealed a third cheque valued at $211,448.46 was made payable to Hand to Mouth Ltd, a company in which Warner has a business interest, on October 26, 2012, from the Chaguanas West Republic Bank account.

As reported previously by this newspaper, Warnerwho is on $2.5 million bail to cover eight criminal charges for which he is wanted in the United States in connection with allegations of bribery, money laundering, corruption and wire-fraud conspiracy arising out of investigations conducted by the US government into operations at FIFA (Federation Internationale de Football Association)allegedly used several private companies and parallel football-related bank accounts to divert tens of millions of dollars.

Political donations and money diverted from several football bodies also flowed through some of Warner's other business entities, including Jamad Ltd , JLM Quality Ltd, Jamad Maintenance Services Ltd, Catch of the D Day, JAW Ltd, JAW Holdings Ltd and LOC Germany 2006 Ltd.

Salary for Warner

Additional cheques showed the bank account of the Chaguanas West constituency was also debited to pay salaries to Warner totalling $136,900.

The ten cheques for $13,960 each are listed as salary payments as follows:

August 3, 2009 (June salary)

August 3, 2009 (July salary)

August 28, 2009

September 30, 2009

November 2, 2009

November 30, 2009

December 30, 2009

February 10, 2010

April 2, 2010

May 6, 2010

At the time of the payments, Warner was the elected Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, a seat he has held since 2007.

Only recently Warner repeated that if money mattered to him he would not take a salary of $1 a month, which totals $60 for the last five years.

Warner takes back $18,000 rental fee

And while Warner is on record as boasting money does not matter to him, more cheques show he took back a mere $18,000 from the Chaguanas West constituency bank account as reimbursement for rent.

The rent was for the period January to June 2009 for the constituency office.

Constituency offices and constituency sub-offices are funded by the State.

A budget limit of $30,000 is accessible to MPs to hire staff.

An additional $2,500 is at the disposal of each MP to cover the constituency office costs.

A separate payment of $1,500 is given to cover costs for postage, stationery, supplies and janitorial services, while office equipment is supplied by the Parliament.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on July 12, 2015, 02:13:13 PM
Yeah Jack, way to go boi. Show them how it's done.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on July 15, 2015, 07:09:35 AM
May your future be filled with court proceedings against you, cross-examinations, indictment$, and sentencings.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 19, 2015, 03:50:58 AM
Jack's Cheques Revealed
$.7m put into Chaguanas West account.
By Anika Gumbs (Guardian).


SEVEN cheques totalling $0.7 million were deposited into the bank account of the Chaguanas West constituency by road paving contractors Lutchmeesingh's Transport and Contractors Ltd and Namalco Construction Services Ltd.

Continued Sunday Express investigations into the questionable transactions have revealed that six of the deposits were made mere months before corruption accused Jack Warner transferred $.7 million from the Chaguanas West constituency account into personal and a business bank accounts, both belonging to him.

The seventh deposit, however, was made on April 30, 2013 some nine days after Warner resigned as minister of national security in the face of a damning Sir David Simmons CONCACAF (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football) report of allegations of multi-million-dollar financial mismanagement against him and former CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer.

Evidence of the seven deposits is shown in the following paper trail listed below:

March 31, 2011-$50,000 (Namalco Ltd)

August 15, 2012-$42,000 (Lutchmeesingh's Ltd)

August 17, 2012-$100,000 (Namalco Ltd)

October 16, 2012-$100,000 (Namalco Ltd)

December 4, 2012-$200,000 (Namalco Ltd)

December 29, 2012-$100,000 (Lutchmeesingh's Ltd)

April 30, 2013-$100,000 (Lutchmeesingh's Ltd)

Lutchmeesingh's Transport and Contractors Ltd was the company that was awarded a contract in 2011 valued at $61,668,510.16 to repair the Tarouba Link Road during Warner's stint as works and infrastructure minister. And records show Namalco Construction Services Ltd was the sub-contractor alongside Brazilian firm Construtora OAS when Warner handed over a $1.5 billion cheque to the National Infrastructure Development Company as part payment for the $7.2 billion highway from Golconda to Point Fortin. Warner has not responded to telephone calls or e-mails sent by the Sunday Express seeking his comment on the deposits made by the contractors.

What Warner said

During a press conference on July 14, Warner is on record as saying that the $.7 million transferred to his private and business accounts was his personal money he used to meet the needs of Chaguanas West constituents.

The bills, Warner said, were usually higher than the funds available in the Chaguanas West bank account and, as a result, he used his private money, returning it when funds went into the constituency coffers.

Warner said: There were times when money had to be replaced and shifted around accounts.

He also pointed out the importance of money being repaid to his companies whenever it was used.

Warner's response followed a Sunday Express expose last week that revealed the $0.7 million being transferred from the Chaguanas West account to his personal bank account at Intercommercial Bank Ltd (IBL) and into a business account in the name of Hand to Mouth Ltd, a company in which Warner has a business interest.

Warner is the sole signatory on account #373498 at IBL.

Two cheques valued at $500,000 were made payable from the Chaguanas West constituency Republic Bank account #290457900101 to his IBL personal account one month apart on December 10, 2012 and January 10, 2013.

The third cheque, valued at $211,448.46, was made payable to Hand to Mouth Ltd, on October 26, 2012 from the Chaguanas West Republic Bank account.

Ten cheques valued at $136,900 showed that the bank account of the Chaguanas West constituency was also debited to pay salaries to Warner.

However, Warner said he did not break his vow as the Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West and accepted a salary.

Six cheques also showed that Warner took back $18,000 from the Chaguanas West constituency bank account as reimbursement for rental of the constituency office.

Contractors and contributions

It is not the first time bank records have surfaced showing deposits made to bank accounts from contractors during Warner's tenure as a government minister.

As reported previously by this newspaper, Warner, in 2010 and 2011, wrote to contractors and other business interests asking for money.

Back then, Warner, who held the mega-portfolio of Works and Infrastructure, had requested the money to pay for the ministry's Christmas dinner that was estimated to cost $1.9 million.

Bank statements had showed that more than $9.5 million was deposited into a Royal Bank business account listed in the name of JLM Quality Services Ltd, a company Warner was listed as a director up to October 31, 2007.

Among those making a donation to the event was Jusamco Pavers Ltd, which made a $200,000 deposit.

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 19, 2015, 03:53:12 AM
US case against Warner ready...
Extradition request by Wednesday
By Camini Marajh (Express).


THE US Department of Justice (DOJ) statement of case against indicted former football jefe Jack Warner is now complete and is expected to be sent to Trinidad by Wednesday, a US law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation has disclosed on condition of strict anonymity.

The source, who is not authorised to discuss the case, told the Sunday Express yesterday that the formal extradition request or record of case should arrive in Port of Spain by Wednesday, mere days before the July 27 deadline specified by the treaty for the final request to be made.

Warner was among 14 football officials and marketing executives arrested in a sweeping US$150 million bribery scheme stretching over nearly a quarter of a century on May 27 in a dramatic US crackdown on global corruption in football.

The disgraced former FIFA vice-president and ex-president of CONCACAF, the regional governing body for North and Central America and the Caribbean, was charged with eight counts of financial crimes in connection with the FIFA corruption case, according to the DOJ indictment which was unsealed in the Eastern District Court in New York in May.

Warner has denied all of the US charges made against him and has promised to put up a long legal battle to US prosecutors' bid to extradite him to New York to face charges of money laundering, wire fraud and racketeering.

The US corruption case against the Independent Liberal Party leader, according to the source, relies on an evidence trail of media contracts and other documents, bank records, e-mail correspondence and the testimony of several co-conspirators who shared in the bribery spoils, including his former close pal-turned-state Confidential Witness No.1 (CW1) American Chuck Blazer, CW2 Jose Hawilla, a Brazilian sports marketing executive whose company Traffic paid Warner tens of millions of US dollars in bribes and his two sons, Daryll and Daryan Warner, who have already pleaded guilty to US corruption charges in exchange for reduced jail time.

Hawilla has also pleaded guilty to wire fraud conspiracy, obstruction of justice and other financial crimes. Another marketing executive, Aaron Davidson, who was head of Traffic group's US division in Miami, is also expected to enter a plea in the FIFA corruption case, according to the source.

Both men are said to have provided key information about Warner's rich decades-long relationship with the global sports and marketing company and its Miami affiliate, Inter/Forever Sports.

The disgraced Traffic executives have reportedly provided US prosecutors with details of the rich media rights deals Warner is alleged to have cut with the Brazilian-headquartered marketing giant, according to the US law enforcement source.

Traffic is said to have paid some US$35 million in kickbacks to Warner and Blazer, the former general secretary of CONCACAF, who helped US agents in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) build a sprawling multi-jurisdictional corruption case against top officials in FIFA's hierarchy.

In 2011, Blazer secretly tape-recorded his colleagues for the Feds, who have quietly been working the FIFA corruption case until their dramatic swoop down on a luxury hotel in Zurich and arrests of 14 men on May 27. He is said to have provided damning evidence of Warner's involvement in several bribery schemes, including a US$10 million bribe payment made to a Warner-created dummy programme called the African Diaspora Legacy in exchange for giving South Africa the vote to host the 2010 World Cup.

He also provided details of the bribery scheme related to the sale of the Gold Cup rights, a CONCACAF tournament held every two years featuring member associations.

Inter/Forever is said to have paid substantial millions of US dollars in kickbacks to secure the television and marketing rights as well as revenue from the sale of tickets to the tournament starting with the 1996 Gold Cup and continuing for subsequent editions.

Blazer and Hawilla, according to the source, have provided documentary evidence of the parallel contracts Warner signed with Inter/Forever. Payments to Warner and Blazer were made through intermediary accounts used by the Brazilian marketing company to disguise the source and nature of the payments, according to the source who is familiar with the case.

One of many such transactions paid by Inter/Forever was done through a company in Uruguay to a Barclays Bank account in the Cayman Islands in the name of Sportvertising Ltd, a Blazer-owned company. In the case of this particular transaction, which was routed through a correspondent bank in New York in March of 1999, Warner's share or half of the US$200K bribe payment was wire transferred a month later from Blazer's Cayman Islands account to a private Warner account at First Citizens Bank.

Inter/Forever also used other third party intermediaries to make its bribe payments to Warner and Blazer, including a Miami law firm which handled some of its legal business, the Sunday Express was told. Other documentary evidence on which the US corruption case hangs, relates to the theft of media rights earnings from the Warner-controlled Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

US prosecutors, according to the unsealed May indictment against Warner, have gone after the former FIFA executive Committee member for several of his more infamous transactions, including the theft of US$750,000 in emergency aid intended for earthquake-ravaged Haiti in 2010. Warner is alleged to have pocketed almost all of the relief money, US$700K to be exact. As reported previously by the Sunday Express, about US$155,000 was sold in US dollar currency trades to the JTA Group and International Shipping Ltd (ISL).

The US indictment against Warner details his corrupt dealings, specifically, allegations of theft of the Centre of Excellence from CONCACAF, the US$1.2 million bribe from Qatari billionaire Mohamed bin Hammam, the cash-for bribes affair which played out at the Hyatt hotel in Port of Spain and the theft of money from the Football Federation of Australia (FFA).

Warner is expected to appear before Chief Magistrate Marcia-Ayers Ceasar on July 27 to answer the US corruption charges and request for his extradition to New York. He has protested his innocence and made clear that he is going to fight the extradition request. He has retained British QC Edward Fitzgerald to lead his defence.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 21, 2015, 11:59:34 AM
Jack Warner and the sub judice rule
T&T Express Editorial


Even before the arrest and incarceration of Jack Warner on May 27, 2015, Mr Warners perceived and alleged wrongdoings in FIFA occupied headlines in national, regional and international newspapers and electronic media.

Since the arrest, scores of articles, talk shows and news items have been most liberal with matters existing out of Mr Warners US indictment for fraud, racketeering and money laundering. As we say in Trinidad and Tobago, every Tom, Dick and Harrilal have washed their mouth on Mr Warners charges.

As recently as June 21, a prominent investigative journalist in a daily newspaper had this mouth washing to say:

From Switzerland and Qatar to Trinidad and Tobago and the Cayman Islands, a substantial number of those corrupt transactions passed through the local banking system, according to the US Department of Justice

And again, US sources say Warner used an array of tactics to camouflage his alleged theft of football funds including $750,000 US in emergency aid intended for earthquake-devastated Haiti in 2010.

In the very same article: another transaction under scrutiny of US prosecutors is the $10 million US bribe payment made to a Warner-created dummy programme called the African Diaspora Legacy in exchange for votes in favour of South Africa hosting the 2010 World Cup.

Such bold statements of alleged facts. Even alleged has been dumped!

The legal principle that one is innocent until proven guilty, a principle enshrined in every civilised society that boasts of the rule of law such as ours, has long been trampled upon and is of no value in T&T, and in particular this case. One wonders if this could have happened in the UK.

But more important is the sub judice rule. Sub judice is Latin for under judgement and means that a particular case or matter is under trial or being considered by a judge or court. In England and Wales (under the Contempt of Court Act, 1981), and many other jurisdictions in the Commonwealth, it is considered inappropriate to comment publicly on cases sub judice, which in some countries is an offence in itself, leading to contempt of court proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases sub judice may constitute interference with due process.

Basic legal research will reveal that a substantial risk of serious prejudice can only be treated by a media report when proceedings are active.

In matters of a criminal nature, proceedings become active when there is an arrest, issue of an arrest warrant or a summons. Without a doubt, Mr Warners proceedings are active. Only recently the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Wade Mark, stumped Mr Warner from debating his Howai motion when the Speaker declared that the meat of Warners motion was engaging the attention of the civil courts (not criminal), and was therefore sub judice.

In England, civil proceedings are active when the hearing date for the trial is arranged, and in Scotland, when the parties pleadings have been finalised and the record is closed. Neither happened in the Howai case.

Mr Warners defence will no doubt determine whether or not the extradition proceedings in themselves form part of the judicial process that will eventually determine his innocence or guilt and whether or not the volumes of published material create a substantial risk that the course of justice in the proceedings would be, or have already been, seriously impeded or prejudiced. Further, the very media houses, all who have thrown caution to the wind, may unwittingly have committed common law contempt of court.

Common law contempt introduces a fine line between pressing for prosecution, which is acceptable, and influencing public perception of an individual who is about to be prosecuted, which is forbidden.

The late Dana Seetahal SC, writing in the Trinidad Guardian on Sunday June 13, 2004, on the Privy Council judgment in The Independent Publishing Company, The Mirror, Ken Ali and Sharmin Baboolal versus the Attorney General and the DPP (the Mirror contempt case), stated that the Privy Council held that it was a contempt of court to publish the particular material in this case.

This was because a court has inherent power to protect the due administration of justice. Thus, anything that is done that is prejudicial to such due administration is a contempt of court.

Surprisingly, no judicial or legal officer, including the Attorney General, has sought to warn the media of the serious legal implication of violating the sub judice rule. Perhaps Mr Warner knows why we may be in for a long, hot summer.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 23, 2015, 01:52:49 AM
AG: Extradition papers are here.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


US MOVES ON JACK

The United States government has moved in on corruption-accused Jack Warner.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas announced at an impromptu news conference yesterday the extradition request for Warner was now in his hands.

Nicholas also assured there will be no political interference in the matter.

Nicholas called a news conference at 6.25 p.m. at the Office of the Attorney General, Cabildo building, Port of Spain, to disclose this information in a brief statement.

I have this evening received the formal request for the extradition of Mr Warner with the supporting extradition package, said Nicholas.

The process is now for me to examine the documentation and consider the evidence and decide whether to issue the authority to process. This is of course a serious and substantial matter and must be given due time and attention, he added.

Nicholas then answered a number of questions from the media.

Warner, a former FIFA (Fdration Internationale de Football Association) vice-president and leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), has charged on numerous occasions that the Government was conspiring to get him out of this country. He has repeatedly said he has no intention of going anywhere without a fight and it will be a long, hot summer.

Nicholas said the legal process will be followed.

No political interference

Asked whether he can assure Warner and citizens there is no political interference in the extradition, given that the September 7 general election was just a few weeks away, Nicholas said, This matter has absolutely nothing to do with politics... this is an extradition request made by the United States government. We've dealt with several extraditions over the last few months.

This is also a matter that does not only concern Mr Warner, it concerns 14 persons that the Americans had asked to be extradited to the US to face charges. The State has gone about this and certainly the office of the Attorney General and all the players, whether it be the police, etc, has gone about this as professionally as possible following the letter of the law and offering Mr Warner and his team all due courtesies when possible.

Asked for a time frame on his consideration of the extradition request, Nicholas said, I will not put a time frame on my consideration time. The document, as you can see from the bundle, is quite significant and therefore requires due consideration.

Nicholas said the extradition documents were sent from the United States Department of Justice to the US Embassy in Trinidad, which then sent them to the Foreign Affairs Ministry. Copies were sent to the Attorney General's office and Central Authority.

It is important to decide whether there is a case to be answered; and if there is a case to be answered, then the authority to proceed will be granted. And if in the Attorney General's discretion, there is not a case or sufficient evidence to proceed, then that is the discretion that will be exercised, said Nicholas.

He said once a decision is taken, Warner's legal team will be notified and be given the opportunity to peruse all the evidence and a trial date will be set that is convenient to all sides.

Nicholas said there are no US officials in Trinidad on the case and it is in the hands of this country's authorities to deal with the matter.

Battery of lawyers

Warner is being represented by a battery of attorneys, including Fyard Hosein, SC, Nyree Alphonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.

He has also retained British QC, Edward Fitzgerald, to lead his defence.

The State's legal team includes Pamela Elder, SC, attorneys Jagdeo Singh and Gerald Ramdeen, along with Alan Newman, QC, and James Lewis.

Questioned on why no State-employed attorneys were working on the case and instead all these lawyers were retained, Nicholas said: We sought to get the experts in the field in criminal law, judicial review and extradition, and that was the decision made.

Asked why attorneys were not sought from the Solicitor General's Department, he said, The Solicitor General's office at the moment is actually quite stretched and this being such a significant matter that required a lot of time, a lot of attention and certainly action within a relatively short period of time. It was thought the best way to go was this way.

Ramdeen stays

Questioned on whether any consideration was given to removing attorney Gerald Ramdeen from the State's legal team, given the allegations levelled against him with respect to Prisongate, Nicholas said, No, I'm not. Pressed why, Nicholas said, I'm not.

Nicholas, when asked by the media for proof and to show the first page and date of the document to verify it was indeed the extradition request, said: No, I don't intend to show the document.

He said he decided to inform the media of the arrival of the extradition request was to prevent the rumour mill from running and also because of the public interest in the case.

Sunday Express exclusive

The Sunday Express exclusively reported this week that Warner's extradition request would reach this country by Wednesday (yesterday), days before the July 27 deadline specified by the extradition treaty for the final request to be made.

Warner was among 14 football officials and marketing executives arrested in a sweeping US$150 million bribery scheme stretching over nearly a quarter of a century on May 27 in a dramatic US crackdown on global corruption in football.

Warner was charged with eight counts of financial crimes in connection with the FIFA corruption case, according to the US Department of Justice indictment, which was unsealed in the Eastern District Court in New York, USA, in May.

Warner has denied all of the charges made against him and has promised to put up a long legal battle to US prosecutors' bid to extradite him to New York to face charges of money laundering, wire fraud and racketeering.

Warner's sons, Daryll and Daryan Warner, have already pleaded guilty to US corruption charges in exchange for reduced jail time.

Jacks extradition documents arrive.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


The Office of the Attorney General has finally received the United States formal extradition request for former Fifa executive and current Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Jack Warner.

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas made the announcement at a press conference at his Cabildo Chambers office, St Vincent Street, Port-of-Spain, yesterday evening as he sought to dispel rumours over the arrival of the documents which are required for Warners extradition proceedings to commence.

Nicholas said: The process is now for me to examine the documents and consider the evidence and decide whether to issue the authority to proceed.

The official start of Warners case is dependent on Nicholass decision as only when he gives it, the documents on charges the former government minister is facing will be disclosed to his attorneys. His lawyers have already indicated they will need the documents to prepare Warners defence in his extradition proceedings.

Asked for a time frame for his decision in light of the fact that Warner is due to reappear before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar for the continuation of his case next Monday, Nicholas said he was in no rush.

This is of course a serious and substantial matter and must be given due time and attention. I will not put a time frame on my consideration as the documents are very significant and therefore requires due deliberation, Nicholas said. When asked to respond to Warners allegations that his (Nicholas) handling of the extradition was being influenced by politics, Nicholas firmly denied that.

This matter has absolutely nothing to do with politics. I can say all legal and due process considerations will be taken as we move forward with this matter.

The Office of the AG and all local players, whether it be the police, have gone about it as professionally as possible to the letter of the law and have offered Mr Warner and his team all due courtesies when possible, Nicholas said. He also defended his decision to hire a formidable team of private lawyers to represent the US interest in the case instead of relying on internal staff of the Central Authority, which co-ordinates all extradition requests.

The legal team includes British Queens Counsel Allan Newman and James Lewis, local Senior Counsel Israel Khan and Pamela Elder and attorneys Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen and Alvin Pariagsingh.

We sought to get the experts in the fields of criminal law, judicial review and extradition. At the moment the Solicitor Generals Office is quite stretched and this being such a significant matter which requires a lot of time and attention and certainly action in a short period of time, it was thought this is the best way to go, Nicholas said. 

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world footballs governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 24, 2015, 01:49:59 AM
AG: No obligation to alert Warner on extradition papers.
By Anna Ramdass (Express).


I DONT OWE JACK

Attorney General Garvin Nicholas said yesterday he will not be baited by Jack Warner's antics and stressed he had no obligation whatsoever to inform Warner the United States had sent extradition papers for him.

Nicholas called a news conference on Wednesday to announce the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) had sent an extradition request for corruption-accused Warner and he (Nicholas) will consider the evidence and decide whether to issue the authority to process the extradition.

Nicholas said he decided to inform the media, given the public interest in Warner's matter.

Warner, a former FIFA (Fdra- tion Internationale de Football Association vice-president and leader of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), is facing a number of charges by the US government, such as fraud, money laundering, racketeering and other financial crimes, relating to his tenure at FIFA.

Warner was among 14 football officials and marketing executives arrested on May 27, in a sweeping US$150 million bribery scheme stretching over nearly a quarter of a century, in a dramatic US crackdown on global corruption in football.

I won't engage with Warner

On Wednesday, the day the extradition papers came into the hands of the AG, Warner, at an ILP meeting in Diego Martin, claimed Nicholas owes him over $100,000 and he (Nicholas) should have had the courtesy to at least inform him the extradition papers were here.

Nicholas told the Express yesterday he has no intention of engaging in a political battle with Warner.

Jack Warner first claimed that he gave me $15,000 for my 2002 election campaign 13 years ago, to which I chose not to comment as I have stated that I will not engage with Mr Warner. Last night (Wednesday), he increased his claim to $115,000, no doubt, in an attempt to provoke a reaction.

I however will not be baited. At this time, with so much going on nationally, regionally and internationally, I need to stay focused on the issues that affect the nationals of Trinidad and Tobago. This is not a time to be distracted by political platform rhetoric, said Nicholas.

Additionally, I had absolutely no obligation to inform Mr Warner of the arrival of the formal request, said Nicholas.

The extradition procedure

He said further, the Attorney General's involvement in this matter is mandated by legal obligation and not political considerations as some may wish to state.

If I decide not to proceed, then that's technically the end of the matter, if I decide to issue the authority to proceed, then that commences the matter. That is the procedure, said Nicholas.

He pointed out he has presided over five extradition matters since he was appointed Attorney General in February this year by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, and never once has he engaged with any of the accused.

Nicholas said the court process is technically a preliminary enquiry to determine whether Warner has a case to answer in the United States.

On May 27, the DOJ issued a provisional warrant of arrest for Warner. He has appeared before the courts on two occasions and is due to reappear next Monday.

After he spent a night in jail because of a problem in securing his $2.5 million bail, Warner vowed to expose Persad-Bissessar and her Government.

Since then, he has alleged Nicholas, Government Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal and Persad-Bissessar herself, as well as the United National Congress (UNC), were beneficiaries of his money.

The Prime Minister has refuted Warner's claims, saying she has never received any money from him.

ILP still in election race

Warner, the former member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, has said it will be a 15-year wait to determine this extradition matter. Despite his legal battles and, now, extradition hanging over his head, Warner and the ILP say they remain focused on contesting the September 7 general election and will continue fielding candidates.

Warner has not yet disclosed which seat he intends to fight, but sources say his eyes were on the heated Chaguanas East constituency which was held by Transport Minister Stephen Cadiz.

ILP deputy leader Rekha Ramjit said Warner can contest the election, even as he faces extradition to the US.


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on July 24, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
If yuh smelllllllllll....what the papers....is.....cooking. Finally, in front of millions of people around the world and in TnT, the papers has comeback to TnT.

Somewhere I read where so called Fixin TnT wants the law enforcement community to probe Warner's money to the AG. Assinine. Why don't they recommend that the $.7m in his account that was meant for Chaguanas West be probed? Or the millions of dollars that's missing from the ttff, concacaf, the cfu, Haiti, and on and on be probed? :yellowcard:

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 24, 2015, 09:52:44 AM
If yuh smelllllllllll....what the papers....is.....cooking. Finally, in front of millions of people around the world and in TnT, the papers has comeback to TnT.

Somewhere I read where so called Fixin TnT wants the law enforcement community to probe Warner's money to the AG. Assinine. Why don't they recommend that the $.7m in his account that was meant for Chaguanas West be probed? Or the millions of dollars that's missing from the ttff, concacaf, the cfu, Haiti, and on and on be probed? :yellowcard:



uuuuummmm Fixin T&T has commented on Jack and all his issues many, many, many times.......how is it asinine for them to call out the AG?  Jack is alleging that he gave Garvin Nicholas money but Nicholas is now presiding over whether or not Jack should be extradited or not.......conflict of interest, no? 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 24, 2015, 07:43:53 PM
http://www.tv6tnt.com/home/-Trini-American-Attorney-on-Warners-Extradition-318297971.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on July 25, 2015, 09:57:21 AM
If yuh smelllllllllll....what the papers....is.....cooking. Finally, in front of millions of people around the world and in TnT, the papers has comeback to TnT.

Somewhere I read where so called Fixin TnT wants the law enforcement community to probe Warner's money to the AG. Assinine. Why don't they recommend that the $.7m in his account that was meant for Chaguanas West be probed? Or the millions of dollars that's missing from the ttff, concacaf, the cfu, Haiti, and on and on be probed? :yellowcard:



uuuuummmm Fixin T&T has commented on Jack and all his issues many, many, many times.......how is it asinine for them to call out the AG?  Jack is alleging that he gave Garvin Nicholas money but Nicholas is now presiding over whether or not Jack should be extradited or not.......conflict of interest, no? 

Conflict of interest? Maybe so, but "commenting" and "probing" are two different things. You would agree? If that comment leads to a probe for one person and not for the other person, then what would you call that? "Rather" and "Prefer"? They "rather" run their mouth about Warner, but "prefer" to probe the AG? What's good for the goose has to work for the gander, no?

I want to see this troll in prison uniform here in the US and I hope his case is near me. I will personally take the time to witness it.
Come on AG, let's get this thing poppin.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Sam on July 29, 2015, 09:31:50 AM
KPMG Auditing been around for ages, like them is de only auditnig company in T&T?

They seemed like they f00cking lost.



Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Controversial on July 29, 2015, 09:54:17 AM
KPMG Auditing been around for ages, like them is de only auditnig company in T&T?



seems so, TK like the procrastination, because if PNM wins, he can hide the facts of corruption, if they don't, he may resign or be replaced at the agm..
Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Sam on July 29, 2015, 09:58:19 AM
Allyuh giving Lasana thing to write about.

Ole TTFF used KPMG and de new one also.

A conspiracy if you ask me.

Title: Re: Soca Warriors question Warner; where has the money gone?
Post by: Deeks on July 29, 2015, 03:35:52 PM
Allyuh talking about Jack or TK., now ?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 31, 2015, 01:52:19 AM
Jack to pay Anand $.9m.
By Rickie Ramdass (Express).


Blows for Jack

CORRUPTION-accused politician Jack Warner has been ordered to pay former attorney general Anand Ramlogan close to $1 million in damages after a High Court judge yesterday ruled against him in a lawsuit filed by Ramlogan for defamation of character.

Justice Robin Mohammed made the ruling at the Hall of Justice in Port of Spain saying Warner could provide no proof to back up the allegations made during an Independent Liberal Party (ILP) meeting in October 2013.

The lawsuit revolved around allegations that Ramlogan was the owner of more than 51 properties which he could not have acquired based on his salary as Attorney General.

In his 57-page ruling, Justice Mohammed said it was clear to the court Warner made the allegations in the midst of the local government election with the intention of gaining a political advantage over Ramlogan and the Government.

Such objective of political gain ought not to have been pursued at the costs of lowering the claimant's reputation in the estimation of right-thinking members of the public, discrediting the claimant in his Office of the Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago and exposing the claimant and his family to ridicule and contempt, particularly in circumstances where the defendant showed no evidence or belief in the truth of the defamatory statements, said the judge.

Ramlogan was awarded $600,000 in general damages inclusive of aggravated damages, $200,000 in exemplary damages and an additional $94,000 in prescribed costsa total of $894,000.

Cost is to be assessed by the Registrar of the Supreme Court as it relates to an application made by Warner during the trial to amend his witness statement.

Warner to appeal

However, Ramlogan will not immediately be awarded the money as the court ruled that there is to be a 28-day stay of the execution of the order given that Warner, through his attorneys, signalled his intention to appeal the order.

Following the judgment, Ramlogan told reporters he felt vindicated by the judge's decision.

Mr Warner had made some very outrageous and malicious accusations against me that I was the owner of over 51 properties and with a hint of corruption. I do not own anything near that and of course I was very outraged by his statements and the fact that he could have gone so far to make it on a political platform in the height of an election campaign, said Ramlogan.

He said Warner, who was not present during the hearing, has made a trademark of himself in politics by making malicious and scandalous accusations against individuals without any evidence to back up his claims.

I see he is doing the same thing with the honourable Prime Minister now and when the time comes to produce the evidence to back it up, what he does is cry wolf and run away. His day will come in judgment, not just in my matter, but in many others against who he has made the most scandalous accusations without a shred of evidence and today is just one of many judgments to come against him, he said.

Ramlogan further added that if Warner does in fact appeal the judge's decision, he (Ramlogan) will cross appeal with the argument that the amount awarded to him should have been greater.

He said if Warner intends to appeal the matter he should also pay the sum ordered by Justice Mohammed into the court given the limited duration of time he might have left in Trinidad and Tobago.

Good friends for 20 years

During the trial, Warner testified that from as early as 2010 he had knowledge of Ramlogan being involved in wrongdoing by using his office for personal gain. Despite this, Warner said he never brought the information into the public domain given that both of them were Cabinet colleagues.

In his defence, Warner testified that it was Ramlogan himself who provided him with the information of the properties he owned and that he was simply repeating on the political platform what was said to him by Ramlogan while they were in Government together in 2010 and 2012.

He had further pointed out that he and Ramlogan were good friends for the past 20 years and whatever was said by him against Ramlogan during political campaigns in 2013 was strictly politics and was not meant to be an attack on Ramlogan's character or reputation.

Ramlogan denies owning the properties

Ramlogan however, denied being the owner of the properties and testified that even though he and Warner were Cabinet colleagues and would have discussed issues of national importance, he never trusted Warner to confide in him concerning his personal business.

Ramlogan had contended that the statements made by Warner generated harsh comments from members of society, some of which branded him as corrupt and a thief.

He said the statements were often a topic of discussion in his family, among professionals and even among distinguished jurists regionally with whom he had to interact in his capacity as Attorney General. He had further expressed his feelings of distress and embarrassment which were caused to him in the midst of the defamatory words which often in conversations called on him to defend his name.

Representing Ramlogan in the lawsuit were attorneys Avory Sinanan, SC, Gerald Ramdeen, Kelvin Ramkissoon and Varun Dabideen, while Keith Scotland, Asha Watkins-Montserin and Jacqueline Chang appeared for Warner.

Calls to Warner's cellphone for comment on the court's ruling yesterday evening were unsuccessful as all calls went unanswered.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on August 02, 2015, 07:56:37 AM
Hold your hand, Mr AG
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday).


ATTORNEY General Garvin Nicholas is being asked to recuse himself from issuing the authority for the Chief Magistrate to proceed with extradition proceedings for former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

Lawyers for the Independent Liberal Party leader wrote Nicholas two days after he received the formal extradition request from the United States, claiming bias on his part and the Peoples Partnership government of which he is a member.

In the letter, dated July 25, and written by Warners instructing attorney Nyree Alfonso, Warner threatened High Court action if Nicholas did not hold his hands on the issuance of the authority to proceed and correspond with the Chaguanas West MPs legal team on the matter.

It would be unfortunate if a refusal to recuse engenders further delay in this matter by having any adverse decision set aside by the High Court on the basis of the appearance of bias, Alfonso said in the letter.

In the interest of transparency we ask that you hold your hands in relation to any decision to issue an authority to proceed until there is an exchange of correspondence and the Office of the AG makes firm decision as to how it intends to proceed, the letter advised.

On Monday last, Warner hinted at possible legal action being taken as he left the Port-of-Spain Magistrates Court on his third court appearance since he surrendered to police on May 27.

He complained that his matter was being prosecuted in the public domain.

The 60 days for the US to make the formal request, and provide a record of its case against Warner, expired on Sunday last. Four days prior to the expiration of the 60-day period, the necessary documentation and formal request were received by the AG and the Central Authority, which oversees extraditions.

Warner has been indicted in the United States on multiple counts of fraud, racketeering, money laundering and corruption.

The Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Terrorities) Act specifically states that the warrant to proceed must be issued by the Attorney General. Legal sources said in the event the Attorney General in an extradition request is conflicted, then the role to issue the authority to proceed can go to the Head of the Central Authority or alternatively another person can be appointed to act as Attorney General.

In the letter, Alfonso supported the call for recusal with references made by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar and members of her government as well as claims of Nicholas being previously financed and indebted to Warner, referring to claims by the ILP leader that he financed the AGs campaign in the 2010 general election.

Alfonso said the issuance of the authority to proceed a quasi-judicial process required fairness. It is a matter of record that our client is a political opponent of the current government of Trinidad and Tobago and in particular the Prime Minister and various other members of the cabinet. Our client has for this reason been subject of frequent public comment by the Prime Minister, the attorney general and various other members of the cabinet.

Alfonso also referred to what she described as ominous and troubling political interference with the extradition process and a history of hostility demonstrated by members of the government.

She said the provisional warrant issued for Warners arrest was politically disseminated even before he was provided with a copy. She also noted that the document was read out by the Prime Minister at a sitting of the Lower House on May 27, five days before Warner received a copy of the provisional warrant.

Alfonso warned that any interference with the liberty of a citizen without disclosure of the terms and basis for such interference was questionable and unlawful.

At the provisional warrant arrest stage the Prime Minister plays no part in the extradition process which meant that the supply of the provisional warrant was both gratuitous and unlawful. It appears that the extraordinary step of supplying the Prime Minister with a copy of the provisional warrant was undertaken for the sole purpose of facilitating her disclosure of same to the Parliament. Alfonso further said the troubling politicisation of the extradition process continued when Nicholas held a press conference when he received the formal extradition request and comments were made by members of the government prior to Warner or his legal team being notified.

She referred to eight newspaper articles published in the three daily newspapers as well as an internet news source to support further claims of hostility against Warner by the Government.

Among other things, our client has been publicly described by members of the Government as delusional, a joker, disgusting, part of a gruesome twosome with the leader of the Opposition, a neemakharam, a liar, a problem for the whole country, and as hurting the image of the entire country. In the present case, the hostility is towards a direct and actual political opponent and manifests itself in the crucial time preliminary to a general election scheduled to be held on September 7, 2015.

Alfonsos letter also said references were made of public allegations of wrongdoing by Warner in relation to his activities as former FIFA vice president.

Some of this conduct will overlap with allegations contained in the request for our clients with the result that there has been a public predetermination of our clients guilt. We note in this contest that predetermination is a freestanding ground for disqualification on the grounds of bias. Additionally we note that the Minister of Legal Affairs Mr Prakash Ramadhar, also a member of the Cabinet, has publicly called upon our client to surrender suggesting that our client is wasting time by not doing so. This followed earlier statements of Mr Ramadhar in Parliament (Hansard 19 November 2014) in which he suggested that our client was guilty of criminal conduct during his tenure at FIFA.

Alfonso noted that written objection has already been made as to the impropriety of the AG retaining and relying on advice of attorneys retained on behalf of the Requesting State when domestically, the Central Authority acts as the attorney for the Requesting State further to this countrys treaty obligations.

In relation to any decision as to whether an ATP should be issued, the Attorney General must independently exercise his discretion.

Alfonso said for the AG to be advised by those lawyers who are on record for the Requesting State was inconsistent with the independent exercise of his discretion.

Any such decision which is arrived at by the Attorney General following such advice will be tainted and vitiated bias.

Judicial review could stall extradition proceedings against Warner, with appeals going to the London-based Privy Council, the countrys highest court. Trinidad and Tobago gained independence from Britain in the 1960s but retained the Privy Council as its final court of appeal.

Warner, currently on bail in connection with a provisional arrest warrant, is wanted in the United States to face a dozen charges including bribery, corruption and wire fraud conspiracy in his role at FIFA.

Warner appeared for a third time before judge Marcia Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates court, with lawyers from both sides requesting more time to examine the 166-page extradition document which the Attorney Generals office received last week from the United States.

The case was adjourned to August 28.

Warner is among nine FIFA officials and five corporate executives charged by the US Department of Justice with running a criminal enterprise that involved more than $150 million in bribes.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 03, 2015, 10:02:19 AM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 10, 2015, 11:37:51 PM
Big come-down for high-flyer Jack Warner
Express editorial


Salient among the results and the implications of last Mondays elections has been the effect on the political life and times of Jack Warner.

The voting outcome overturned the ruling order of the Peoples Partnership and confirmed the viability of the Peoples National Movement (PNM), now clearly on the rebound. But the negligible showing of the Independent Liberal Party (ILP), heroically founded by Mr Warner after his break with the Partnership, effectively rendered his standing that of a has-been.

Former stellar political figure, he once combined roles of surpassing influence and stature. The former major executive and organiser of international, and national, football, is also recalled as a former leading Cabinet minister who, on occasion, even acted as prime minister.

Mr Warner has claimed as his terminal achievement the electoral defeat of former prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Yet he failed to deliver on his threats of bombshell disclosures against her before the elections. The effect must have caused citizens to wonder if he really had the goods, or if the sound and fury served only to distract attention from his own grim situation.

In any case, Mr Warner is unable to point to any electoral gains earned by his ILP, or by himself.

This marks a noted come-down for one accustomed to winning his parliamentary seat by large majorities. He has now signalled a long-awaited withdrawal from this countrys politics.

T&T should not, however, assume that what passed over the last week and more was yet the end of the Jack Warner saga. Attention will duly turn to the legal battles in the T&T court over his extradition to face many and serious criminal charges in the US.

Without the figure of a PM Persad-Bissessar against whom to direct his animus, and his ever more sleaze-dipped allegations, Mr Warner appears now to lack any reason for being a political figure to whom T&T must pay attention. It seems doubtful that the administration of the Rowley PNM, against whom the ILP contested electorally, will feel or show any sympathy for the Warner cause, whatever it now is.

The occasion thus arises for T&T to get over the unending Jack Warner dramas, and let the law, in this country, and in the US, take its course. For now and the forseeable future, T&T can expect to be engaged by concerns more critical than those which, for far too long, have surrounded the name of Jack Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 13, 2015, 06:58:17 PM
Jack Warner made 11m profit on 2010 and 2014 FIFA World Cup TV rights
By Owen Gibson (The Guardian
)

Sepp Blatter is under renewed pressure after it emerged he awarded World Cup television rights for a fraction of their true value to Jack Warner, on which the disgraced former Fifa executive then made an 11m profit.

The publication of a contract bearing the outgoing Fifa presidents signature draws him closer into the web of continuing investigations and further calls into question his links with Warner, who served on the executive committee of world footballs governing body for 28 years.

The latest revelation emerged after Swiss broadcaster SRF uncovered a 2005 contract in which the Warner-controlled Caribbean Football Union were sold the broadcast rights to the 2010 and 2014 World Cups for $600,000. The Trinidadian, at that time CFUs president, sub-licensed those rights to his own Cayman Islands-registered company J & D International (JDI), according to the Press Association.

In 2007, JDI sold on the rights to Jamaica-based cable TV station SportsMax for a value that the broadcaster reported on its own website as being between $18m and $20m.

Jaimie Fuller, of campaign group NewFifaNow, estimated that Warner had bought the contracts for only 5% of their true value. Blatter sits atop an organisation riddled with corrupt deals, not dissimilar to this latest example and this further stresses the need for reform to be taken out of the hands of Fifa and the sports administration families, he said.

The current farce, with former IOC secretary general Franois Carrard chairing a supposed reform commission comprised of confederation appointees, is just another bad joke, another pathetic attempt to pull the wool over every football lovers eyes.

It was not the first time Fifa had sold TV rights to Warner, one of nine current of former Fifa officials charged by the US in May and currently fighting extradition from his native Trinidad, for a knockdown price.

In 1998 he was awarded the 2002 World Cup TV rights for Trinidad and Tobago for only one dollar, a practice that had begun under Blatters predecessor Joo Havelange. Warners JDI also sold the 2006 World Cup rights to the Caribbean for $4.25m in 2001.

According to court documents in the Cayman Islands, Jeffrey Webb Warners successor as president of the Concacaf confederation was a director of JDI at the time of the deal. Both Webb and Warner are facing corruption charges in the US. Webb was extradited to the US in the wake of the dramatic raids on Zurichs Baur au Lac hotel in May and is currently on bail in New York.

Chuck Blazer, the former Fifa executive and Cocacaf general secretary who has admitted to taking a share of a $10m bribe to vote for South Africa to host the 2010 World Cup and agreed to a plea bargain with prosecutors, also remains on bail.

Fifas deal with the CFU included an agreement for a 50% share of any profits from sub-contracting the rights but few if any payments from profit share were ever made by Warner.

In July 2011, a month after he resigned from Fifa following bribery allegations, Fifa terminated its contract with the CFU.

There is a long list of allegations linking Warner to making money from TV contracts and tickets on the back of his Fifa contacts and influence. Warner controlled an influential bloc of votes that repeatedly helped deliver Blatter re-election.

After quitting Fifa under a cloud of bribery allegations, Warner himself said in a statement that he bought World Cup TV rights for Trinidad for only one dollar in 1998 via a Mexican company and also acquired them for the 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 editions. He said then that he used the revenue from selling on the rights to develop the sport in the Caribbean.

The publication of the contract bearing Blatters signature will increase the pressure on the 79-year-old as he prepares to step aside in February next year. On Monday in Zurich, US attorney general Loretta Lynch will give an update on the American investigation that labelled the actions of Fifa officials and TV marketing executives a World Cup of fraud over many years.

Lynch will speak alongside the Swiss attorney general Michael Lauber, who is overseeing a parallel investigation into the awarding of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups to Russia and Qatar respectively and has identified 103 suspicious transactions involving Swiss banks.

The SRF programme published a contract signed by Blatter showing the TV rights for the 2010 World Cup had been sold for $250,000 and the 2014 tournament for $350,000 to the Warner-controlled CFU. Fifa responded by issuing a statement that read: On 12 September 2005, Fifa signed a contract with the Caribbean Football Union regarding TV broadcasting rights. Under the terms of this agreement Fifa was to receive a fixed licensing fee as well as a 50% share of any profits related to the subcontracting of these rights.

The CFU made several breaches to the contract and failed to meet its financial obligations. The obligations concerning the required pre-approval for subcontracting were not met either.

For these reasons, Fifa terminated its contract with the CFU on 25 July 2011.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on September 14, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
Wow!! The noose is tightening Renraw. Wha' yuh go do.
Jackulito boy, start packing yuh toiletries bag with toothbrush & ting.
Have all your medicines to last yuh the first month ...
and wait for a knock on your door with cameras & a li'l small scale papparazzi if you want to go without too much pappyshow.
Tell uncle Tim that since he threw you half way under de bus that his time is coming nex when you start singing to high octaves in de US. Horner, wha yuh think? We value your insights into the situation.
All de bes' bro.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 15, 2015, 04:41:38 AM
Paging Jack Horner, paging Jack Horner......Jack still coming back to save we??  Chups!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on September 15, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
Paging Jack Horner, paging Jack Horner......Jack still coming back to save we??  Chups!!!!

 :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 16, 2015, 02:11:25 AM
AGs deadline on Warners US case expires today
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


The deadline for signing off on the extradition case against corruption accused former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner expires this afternoon.

The T&T Guardian understands up to late yesterday Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi, who only took up duties this week after being sworn in last Wednesday, had not signed the authority to proceed in Warners case, which is required to kick off the extradition proceedings before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar.

Al-Rawi did not respond yesterday to calls seeking confirmation on the status of Warners case in light of the deadline.

A legal source close to the case said yesterday although Al-Rawi only had a limited period of time to consider the documents, the exercise of his discretion would be guided by comprehensive legal advice on the issue which was obtained from the States legal team which includes a pair of British Queens Counsel, two Senior Counsel and a handful of other local attorneys.

This newspaper was reliably informed that the Central Authority Unit, the division of the Office of the AG which co-ordinates and facilitates extradition requests, received the advice a little over a week ago with the documents being made available to Al-Rawi when he assumed office.

In the event Al-Rawi fails to sign the document by 4 pm today, his office will have to seek another extension from Ayers-Caesar, who Warner is scheduled to reappear before next Monday.

If their application is eventually refused, Ayers-Caesar will then have to quash the proceedings against Warner and return his passport which was seized when he was granted bail after being detained on a provisional warrant in July. The US will then be forced to restart the process afresh.

However, when contacted yesterday a legal source with extensive experience in extradition cases claimed that any further delay in Warners case may potentially open the door for him (Warner) to claim an abuse of process in separate legal proceedings.

Asked yesterday to comment on the delay, Warner in a brief telephone interview said: I have no comment to make or no interview to give on this matter.

About Warners case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world footballs governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Warner surrendered to police in May after a provisional warrant was issued for his arrest when US authorities announced the conclusion of their extensive investigation.

Warner spent one night on remand at the Port-of-Spain State Prison before he was able to access his $2.5 million bail.

It took US authorities almost their entire 60-day deadline to foward their official request to the Office of the Attorney General, which is needed to prepare the authority to proceed. The documents arrived in T&T in late July.

In 2013, Warner resigned from his post of national security minister and UNC chairman after the publication of a report from Concacafs Integrity Committee showed financial mismanagement during his long tenure as the regional bodys president. Warner also resigned as Chaguanas West MP but later regained the seat in a by-election.

He then formed the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) but resigned as its leader after it failed to secure any seats in last weeks general election.

About Warners case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world footballs governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Warner surrendered to police in May after a provisional warrant was issued for his arrest when US authorities announced the conclusion of their extensive investigation.

Warner spent one night on remand at the Port-of-Spain State Prison before he was able to access his $2.5 million bail.

It took US authorities almost their entire 60-day deadline to foward their official request to the Office of the Attorney General, which is needed to prepare the authority to proceed. The documents arrived in T&T in late July.

In 2013, Warner resigned from his post of national security minister and UNC chairman after the publication of a report from Concacafs Integrity Committee showed financial mismanagement during his long tenure as the regional bodys president. Warner also resigned as Chaguanas West MP but later regained the seat in a by-election.

He then formed the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) but resigned as its leader after it failed to secure any seats in last weeks general election.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 17, 2015, 02:20:37 AM
AG seeks time to weigh US case.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Jacks lawyers hold key to his future

Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi has asked for more time to consider the United States extradition case against the corruption-accused former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

Hours before the initial deadline expired at 4 pm yesterday, attorney Brent Hallpike, who is seeking the Ministry of the AGs interest in the matter, wrote to Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers Caesar seeking an extension to the deadline for signing off on the authority to proceed in the matter.

In the letter, which was obtained by the T&T Guardian, Hallpike stated that Al-Rawi, who took up duties this week after being sworn in last Wednesday, needed the additional time to consider a request from Warners attorneys which was refused by his predecessor Garvin Nicholas.

Stating that Nicholas may have erred by refusing that request, Hallpike said: Now while the State is seeking an extension, according to the document, it is also providing an opportunity for Mr Warners attorneys to make representations as to whether or not an authority to proceed should be issued.

The refusal of the former attorney general Garvin Nicholas to grant this facility was one of the reasons Warners attorneys threatened judicial review.

Although the letter raised possible ramifications of Nicholas handling of the situation, it noted that it was within his discretion at the time whether to accept representations from Warners lawyers or not.

Hallpike explained that Al-Rawis office wrote to Warners lawyers this week offering the opportunity to make the representations but the offer was declined and labelled as an attempt to barter with the liberty of one of its citizens.

The States legal team has challenged the response as they described it as misconstrued and wrongfully labelled, he wrote. While he acknowledged the undertaking given to the court when it set the deadline, Hallpike said more consideration needed to be given to ensure that the eventual decision was consistent with extradition legislation and did not offend Warners rights.

In the letter, Hallpike asked Ayers-Caesar to extend the deadline to Monday morning, when Warner is scheduled to reappear before her. The approval of the authority to proceed is required to initiate the extradition proceedings before her. The T&T Guardian was unable to confirm if Ayers-Caesar had responded up to late yesterday. 

 If the AG Offices application is eventually refused, Ayers-Caesar will then have to quash the proceedings against Warner and return his passport, which was seized when he was granted bail after being detained on a provisional warrant in July. The US will then be forced to restart the process.

Contacted on Tuesday to respond to rumours of the extension application, Nicholas, who received the US formal request in July and obtained an extension to consider the voluminous material contained in it, had said Al-Rawi would be justified in making the request. He (Al-Rawi) would have only just gotten sight of the document and he should take the time, even if it means a short extension, to consider it, Nicholas said.

Precedent set with Ish, Steve

Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi is the second AG to invite representations from accused persons before signing off on a requesting States extradition request. In 2010, then attorney general Anand Ramlogan, SC, offered the facility to businessmen Ishwar Galbaransingh and Steve Ferguson.

Both men, who are still wanted in the United States for money laundering and fraud-related  charges over their involvement in the construction of the Piarco International Airport, managed to avoid extradition after a High Court Judge ruled in their favour in a civil lawsuit.

Earlier yesterday, Al-Rawi had told the media he had no intention of commenting publicly on public-interest matters which were before him but assured they were being dealt with expeditiously. He was questioned outside the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain, after attending the ceremonial opening of the 2014/2015 law term on whether his office would meet the deadline in the case against  Warner.

The Office of the AG intends to act as an AGs office is supposed to act. I do not propose to have public litigation and announcement of matters, he told reporters. However, he assured Warner and members of the public the matter was being treated with expedience and within the constitutional parameters governing extraditions. 

Sufficed to say the matter is before the court and is receiving urgent attention. There are no slackers on this job, Al-Rawi said. His approval is required to kick off Warners extradition proceedings, which comes up for hearing before Chief Magistrate Ayers-Caesar in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates Court on Monday.

Although Al-Rawi had a limited period of time to consider the extradition documents issued by US authorities, his decision is expected to be guided by the comprehensive legal advice prepared by the States legal team. The team includes British Queens Counsel Allan Newman and James Lewis, local Senior Counsel Israel Khan and Pamela Elder and attorneys Wayne Sturge, Gerald Ramdeen and Alvin Pariagsingh.

This newspaper was reliably informed that the Central Authority Unit, the division of the Office of the AG which co-ordinates and facilitates extradition requests, received the advice a little over a week ago with the documents being made available to Al-Rawi when he assumed office.

Warners case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and for engaging in illegal wire transfers. The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and when Warner quit Fifa in June 2011.

He is one of 14 former executives of world footballs governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice.

Warner surrendered to police in May after a provisional warrant was issued for his arrest when US authorities announced the conclusion of their extensive investigation. Warner spent one night on remand at the Port-of-Spain State Prison before he was able to access his $2.5 million bail.

It took US authorities almost their entire 60-day deadline to foward their official request to the Office of the Attorney General, which is needed to prepare the authority to proceed. The documents arrived in T&T in late July.

In 2013, Warner resigned from his post of national security minister and UNC chairman after the publication of a report from Concacafs Integrity Committee showed financial mismanagement during his long tenure as the regional bodys president. Warner also resigned as Chaguanas West MP but later regained the seat in a by-election.

He then formed the Independent Liberal Party (ILP) but resigned as its leader after it failed to secure any seats in the September 7 general election.

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AG misses Warner deadline
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday)


ATTORNEY General Faris Al- Rawi has missed his deadline to sign the Authority to Proceed (ATP) in the extradition matter against corruption-accused Jack Warner, which could lead to him being freed on Monday. At 4 pm yesterday, sources said the ATP was not signed by the Attorney General who has now written to Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar seeking an extension.

The matter comes up for hearing before her on Monday.

If she refuses to grant the extension, Ayers-Caesar will then have to quash the provisional warrant which has him before her.

The extradition process will then have to re-start with Warner having to be rearrested.

Speaking to the media at the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain at the opening of the new Law Term yesterday, Al-Rawi declined to comment on his deadline to sign the ATP, saying his office intended to act as the office should which was not to engage in public litigation or making announcements of matters in which it is involved.

He, however, assured that the Office of the AG will act with expedience and within Constitutional parameters. We must act very carefully cognisant of the fact that every decision is under review, he said.

Al-Rawi, who was only sworn in as AG last week, has only had since then to consider the record of case sent by the United States authorities as well as legal advice on the transposition of the charges against Warner.

Newsday understands that attorneys representing Warner wrote the new AG asking that he consider representation on their clients behalf.

A similar request had been denied by former AG Garvin Nicholas.

The advice was provided to the Central Authority by attorneys representing the State in the extradition matter.

According to the advice given there are no legal barriers preventing the signing of the Authority to Proceed as the charges for which Warner was indicted in the United States were compatible with charges found in local law. Warner is currently on $2.5 million bail after surrendering himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27 after learning the warrant had been issued for his arrest.

He has been indicted as it relates to four schemes related to the alleged acceptance of bribes for media and marketing rights to the Concacaf Gold Cup tournaments and World Cup qualifier matches played by Caribbean Footbal; alleged acceptance of bribes in relation to FIFA executive committee votes for South Africa to be the host nation for the 2010 World Cup Union teams and allegedly facilitating and abetting the payment of bribes to members of the CFU to influence their votes in the 2011 FIFA election.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 19, 2015, 05:23:34 AM
Faris fires six from Jacks case.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


State lawyers to get chance

Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi has fired almost the entire legal team hired to represent the State in the extradition case of corruption accused former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner.

The T&T Guardian was reliably informed that Al-Rawi held a meeting at his Cabildo Chambers, St Vincent Street, Port-of-Spain, offices yesterday afternoon, where he informed three lawyers from the eight-member teamJagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen and Brent Hallpikethat their services were no longer required. The other lawyers who were relieved from the case but were not present at the meeting were Allan Newman, QC; Israel Khan, SC; and Wayne Sturge. Though Singh had returned his brief for the case earlier this week he was still invited to the meeting.

British extradition expert James Lewis, QC, and local Senior Counsel Pamela Elder were the two kept on by the AG.

A source told the T&T Guardian that Al-Rawi told the lawyers the decision was taken because the team of private lawyers chosen by his predecessor Garvin Nicholas was too large and their duties could be handled by state attorneys working within his ministry.

Before assuming office after last week's general election, Al-Rawi was critical of Nicholas' selections after it was revealed the team had billed the State for a combined total of over $12 million for preliminary work in the case, which is yet to start before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar. However, the source revealed the AG's office was yet to pay the invoices the lawyers had submitted.

The T&T Guardian attempted to contact the lawyers involved yesterday but they all refused to make a public statement.

In a brief telephone interview yesterday, Al-Rawi also refused to comment on any matter related to the case.

I do not propose to conduct state litigation in the media. I must be guided by my constitutional and statutory remit and certainly intend to bring a measure of discipline and coordination to the Office of the AG, Al-Rawi said.

The lawyers last work on this case was on Wednesday, when Hallpike wrote to Ayers-Caesar on Al-Rawis behalf seeking an extension of the deadline for him to sign off on the authority to proceed in the case. The authority to proceed is required to kick off the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

In asking for the deadline to be extended to next Monday, the next scheduled hearing, Hallpike said Al-Rawi needed additional time to consider the case file sent by United States authorities and to give Warners legal team an opportunity to make representations before he signed the document.

Nicholas, who was in charge of the case since Warner was indicted in May, repeatedly denied Warner that opportunity. Hallpike added that Al-Rawi reconsidered Nicholas decision because while it was within his discretion, it opened the door to a possible judicial review challenge from Warner.

Hallpike noted that Al-Rawis offer was being complicated by Warners attorneys, who refused to participate initially as they described the roundabout turn on the issue as an attempt to barter with the liberty of one of its citizens.

Ayers-Caesar is expected to pronounce on the request for an extension next week. In the event she refuses it, Warner will be discharged and the US will have to start the process afresh.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 22, 2015, 01:59:57 AM
Faris moves on Jack.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


ATTORNEY General Faris Al-Rawi has signed the Authority to Proceed (ATP) paving the way for the start of extradition proceedings against corruption accused, former Fifa Vice President Jack Warner, who is wanted in the United States. The announcement was made yesterday as Warner returned to the Portof- Spain Magistrates Court.

Presiding over the proceedings was deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington in the Eighth Court who held in the absence of Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers Caesar. Al-Rawi missed last Wednesdays deadline for signing the ATP, and his failure to do so on time was challenged by Warners lead counsel Fyard Hosein, SC.

Although Hosein acknowledged that Al -Rawi had written to the Chief Magistrate seeking an extension, he noted there was no authority for one to be given. He insisted that in accordance with the provisions of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, the provisional warrant issued for Warners arrest in May on US charges of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering conspiracies, should be automatically discharged.

Hosein cited Section 12 (3) of the Extradition Act which provides for a person arrested on a provisional warrant to be discharged if no authority to proceed has been received by the magistrate. It is important to us for you to make an order of discharge, Hosein said.

It is a requirement of the legislation and the importance of the liberty of the subject, he added.

However, lead counsel for the State James Lewis QC, submitted that to discharge Warner under the provisional warrant would be strictly academic as the court only now had the jurisdiction over the extradition proceedings with the signing of the ATP. He said Warner should have applied for the discharge immediately upon expiration of the deadline last week.

Lewis said Warner was now before the court on fresh charges which differed from those listed on the provisional warrant and the matter had now entered the committal phase with the issuance of the authority to proceed. It is a simple position, Lewis said, advising the court that its duty under Section 10 (1) of the Act was to set a timetable for the extradition hearing. He also indicated that the State will not be objecting to Warner continuing on the $2.5 million bail.

But Hosein insisted he wanted all parties to get it right and in accordance with the law, as he pressed for the discharge of his client on the provisional warrant, adding also that Warner may require it for future legal proceedings against the extradition. Wellington adjourned the case to Friday when he will make his ruling.

I am troubled by the difference of opinion between the parties on this point and I need time to consider all that is before me, Wellington said. The State was also represented yesterday by Pamela Elder SC and included Brent Hallpike and Head of the Central Authority Netram Kowlessar. Six other members of the team were fired last week by Al-Rawi last Friday. Representing Warner were Nyree Alphonso, Sasha Bridgmohan, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.

RELATED NEWS

Fifa corruption: Jack Warner extradition proceedings approved.
BBC News


US extradition proceedings against Jack Warner, a former vice-president of football's world governing body Fifa, are to go ahead after being approved by Trinidad's attorney general.

The US wants to try Mr Warner, 72, a Trinidadian national, on corruption charges. He is accused of accepting millions of dollars in bribes.

He and 13 other current or former Fifa officials were indicted in May.

He denies the charges and is currently fighting the extradition attempt.

Last week, Switzerland approved the extradition of ex-Fifa Vice-President Eugenio Figueredo to the US.

Mr Figueredo, from Uruguay, was arrested in May while in Switzerland for a Fifa congress.

So far, only one arrested official - former Fifa Vice-President Jeffrey Webb, from the Cayman Islands - has agreed to be extradited.

After being extradited from Switzerland to the US, Mr Webb pleaded not guilty to accepting bribes worth millions of dollars in connection with the sale of marketing rights.

He was placed under house arrest on $10m (6.4m) bail by a New York judge.
The king of Caribbean football

As the head of Caribbean and North and Central American football (Concacaf), Mr Warner was one the most powerful men in world football.

His support was seen as essential for any World Cup host bid. However, he has been dogged by allegations of corruption.

The US alleges that Mr Warner has been involved in corrupt practices for more than two decades.

Mr Warner's case has been adjourned until Friday due to a legal dispute over a technicality.

In June 2015, a BBC investigation found evidence of bribes paid to Mr Warner.

Jack Warner: The US charge sheet

Accused of racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering, bribery

From the early 1990s, he allegedly "began to leverage his influence and exploit his official positions for personal gain"

Allegedly accepted a $10m bribe from South African officials in return for voting to award them the 2010 World Cup

Allegedly bribed officials with envelopes each containing $40,000 in cash; when one demurred, he allegedly said: "There are some people here who think they are more pious than thou. If you're pious, open a church, friends. Our business is our business"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on September 22, 2015, 07:02:57 AM
"Our business, is our business" - Mr. Untouchable.

Rowley wins election. He becomes PM. Jacko says, "Mission Accomplished" and promptly retires to live in luxury, but wait, slow your roll Wacko, it looks like you are going to the US for vacation. Pack a shaving kit, that's all you will be needing. You will be travelling light.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on September 22, 2015, 02:11:11 PM
Hopefully if Jack gets extradited to the USA then so will Ish and Steve.

That's all I am hoping for as I like to see equality in treatment by our laws for all T&T citizens.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on September 22, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
Jack Warner challenges AGs decision to proceed with extradition

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Jack-Warner-challenges-AG-s-decision-to-proceed-with-extradition (http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Jack-Warner-challenges-AG-s-decision-to-proceed-with-extradition)

PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad (Trinidad Express) Corruption accused Jack Warner was told in court on Monday that Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi has signed the documents which allows the extradition case against him to proceed.

However, Warners attorneys are challenging the decision, stating that Al-Rawi missed the September 16 date for signing off on the documents, and as a result, Warner should be discharged.


Warner reappeared in the Port of Spain Magistrates Court on Monday. He was taken before Eight Court Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington, who heard the arguments.

The State is being represented by Queens Counsel James Lewis, Senior Counsel Pamela Elder, Brent Hallpike, and head of the Central Authority , attorney Netram Kowlessar.

Last Friday, Al-Rawi fired several of the attorneys who were part of the States team, including senior counsel Israel Khan, Gerald Ramdeen, Jagdeo Singh, and Wayne Sturge.

Warner is one of 14 people indicted on a series of criminal charges in the United States, including racketeering, fraud, and money laundering, related to their time at FIFA.

The court was told that the Authority to Proceed (ATP) documents had been signed, but Warners lead attorney Fyard Hosein said that the deadline date for signing the documents was September 16 and the attorney general had missed the date.

As a result, said Hosein, the Court had the right to discharge Warner.

However, Lewis countered that the documents were now signed, making way for the extradition matter to proceed and there should be no discharge.

Magistrate Wellington asked for time to go through the documents and adjourned the came to Friday.

Also representing Warner are attorneys Nyree Alfonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maharaj.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: R45 on September 25, 2015, 08:51:26 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/sepp-blatter/11891462/Sepp-Blatter-under-criminal-investigation-at-Fifa-live.html

This from Martyn Ziegler, the Chief Sports Reporter of the Press Association, which neatly clarifies the past few updates:

Swiss prosecutors have opened criminal proceedings against FIFA president Sepp Blatter on a day of stunning developments at football's world governing body.

The Swiss attorney general's office issued a statement saying Blatter is suspected of criminal mismanagement or misappropriation over a TV rights deal he signed with former Caribbean football chief Jack Warner in 2005.

He is also suspected of "a disloyal payment" of two millions Swiss francs to UEFA president Michel Platini - who is the favourite to succeed him - in 2011.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ribbit on September 25, 2015, 10:54:38 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/sepp-blatter/11891462/Sepp-Blatter-under-criminal-investigation-at-Fifa-live.html

This from Martyn Ziegler, the Chief Sports Reporter of the Press Association, which neatly clarifies the past few updates:

Swiss prosecutors have opened criminal proceedings against FIFA president Sepp Blatter on a day of stunning developments at football's world governing body.

The Swiss attorney general's office issued a statement saying Blatter is suspected of criminal mismanagement or misappropriation over a TV rights deal he signed with former Caribbean football chief Jack Warner in 2005.

He is also suspected of "a disloyal payment" of two millions Swiss francs to UEFA president Michel Platini - who is the favourite to succeed him - in 2011.

hopefully they have enough for a conviction without jack. would be nice if all dat dirt jack have on sepp is for naught.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on September 25, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
Sepp Blatter resigns and the Swiss AG presses criminal charges against him. Jack Warner resigns and Kamla's AG does nothing against Warner. Oh, wait, that's right. He doesn't know anything about criminal law.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on September 25, 2015, 01:04:31 PM

BREAKING NEWS; Jack Warner's extradition hearing set for December. Efforts to throw out the case this morning was overturned.

https://twitter.com/EWilliamstv6/status/647441873678802944 (https://twitter.com/EWilliamstv6/status/647441873678802944)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on September 25, 2015, 08:13:02 PM

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12046721_10208076148451316_3653420579618478674_n.jpg?oh=5cb8031e553fc1ca8093ffd4606ec3d7&oe=56A0B70E)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 26, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Wellington rejects extradition discharge argument.
By Jensen La Vende (Guardian).


Warner case set for Dec 2

Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington yesterday ruled in favour of the prosecution in the extradition case against Jack Warner and ordered that his matter begin in December.

In the process, Wellington set a December 2 date for hearing Warners extradition to the United States case, despite strenuous objections by Warners lead attorney Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein, who unsuccessfully argued that more time was needed in the complex case.

Warner lost the first round in what is likely to be a long battle on the same day Switzerlands attorney general announced a probe had been started into current Fifa president Sepp Blatter. The case will look at some of the same accusations levelled against Warner in the matter being pursued by the US authorities.

Hosein had argued that the states legal team had been dilly-dallying on signing the Authority to Proceed and only did so after the deadline had expired. He said the State used as excuses the general election and the need for time to consider the documents even while having an abundance of lawyers on its side.

We cant have a situation where they are now saying this matter is an urgent one, Hosein said, adding that the defence only last Thursday received documents in relation to the matter which list 29 charges for Warner to answer.

Senior Counsel Pamela Elder, the lead local attorney representing the requesting State, said the Authority to Proceed (ATP) was in place and the extradition proceedings should commence as soon as possible in accordance with Section 12:2 of the Extradition Act.

In setting the trial date yesterday, Wellington told Hosein, who on the last occasion had asked that his client be discharged since the State had failed to sign the ATP within the specified timeframe, I do not think I can accede to the request.

Warner is charged with 29 counts of several statutory offences, including money laundering under the Proceeds of Crime Act, corruption under the Prevention of Corruption Act, and receiving money under the Larceny Act.

He is also charged with conspiracy to accept corrupt payments, conspiracy to launder money and conspiracy to defraud.

The case

Warner, 72, of Cynthia Drive, Five Rivers, Arouca, faces 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and illegal wire transfers.

The offences are alleged to have taken place in the US, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and June 2011 when Warner quit Fifa. He is currently on $2.5 million bail.

The former political leader of the Independent Liberal Party was arrested on a provisional warrant in May after the US Department of Justice announced the results of their investigation into Warner and 12 of his former colleagues and current Fifa officials.

Warner and nine other defendants are still fighting extradition to the United States. The other three are currently in the US to answer the charges.

While Warners matter is before the courts, the Swiss attorney general yesterday made moves against Blatter, searching his offices on suspicion that he misappropriated funds and violated his duties while in charge of Fifa.

Blatter agreed to step down as Fifa head earlier this year, although he retained the presidency, amid a corruption scandal which swirled around the world governing body for football. Fresh presidential elections for Fifa will be held on February 26 next year.

Related News

FIFA boss under criminal probe over Warner TV-deal
T&T Newsday Reports.


SWISS prosecutors say they are investigating Sepp Blatter, the head of footballs world governing body Fifa , on suspicion of criminal mismanagement.

The attorney generals office said he was suspected of signing a contract that was unfavourable to Fifa and making a disloyal payment to European football chief Michel Platini. Blatter was being questioned, and his office was searched, it added.

The 79-year-old, who has run Fifa since 1998, has always denied any wrongdoing. Fifa , which has been hit by a string of corruption allegations in recent years, said it was co-operating with the investigation.

Swiss criminal proceedings against the president of Fifa Mr Joseph Blatter, have been opened...on suspicion of criminal mismanagement and alternatively misappropriation, the Swiss attorney generals office said in a statement. It said Mr Blatter was suspected of signing a contract with former Caribbean football chief and Fifa vice-president Jack Warner in 2005, that was unfavourable to Fifa and in doing so, violated his fiduciary duties and acted against the interest of Fifa.

The contract they mention is thought to refer to a TV rights deal agreed between Fifa and Mr Warners organisation Concacaf which, according to an investigation by a Swiss broadcaster earlier this month, allegedly resulted in a multi-million pound profit for Mr Warners own company. Fifa owns the TV rights to the World Cup and sells them to regional federations which then sell them on to broadcasters.

Blatters lawyer, Richard Cullen, said he was confident the inquiry would clear the world football chief of any wrongdoing.

We are confident that when the Swiss authorities have a chance to review the documents and the evidence, they will see that the contract was properly prepared and negotiated by the appropriate staff members of Fifa who were routinely responsible for such contracts, and certainly no mismanagement occurred, he said.

According to the Swiss attorney general, Blatter is also suspected of making a disloyal payment of two million Swiss francs ($2m; 1.3m) in 2011 to Mr Michel Platini, the statement said. It said the payment was at the expense of Fifa , which was allegedly made for work performed between January 1999 and June 2002.

Blatter is due to step down in February and Platini is widely expected to replace him. Platini, for his part, issued a statement yesterday evening, saying the money he received from Blatter relates to work which I carried out under a contract with Fifa and he had clarified matters with the authorities.

In May, Swiss authorities arrested seven Fifa officials in Zurich at the request of the US.

One, Fifa Vice-President Jeffrey Webb, has already been extradited.

The US then unveiled indictments against seven other people in their corruption case.

Nine of those accused were high-ranking current or former Fifa officials. They include Jack Warner who is currently fighting extradition from Trinidad.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on September 26, 2015, 08:47:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/v/J_dGusSvfhU
Title: Ethics Committee bans Jack Warner from all football-related activities for life
Post by: Tallman on September 29, 2015, 09:41:10 AM
FIFAs Independent Ethics Committee bans Jack Warner from all football-related activities for life
FIFA.com


The adjudicatory chamber of the Ethics Committee, chaired by Hans-Joachim Eckert, has decided to ban the former FIFA Vice-President and Executive Committee member as well as CONCACAF President, Mr Jack Warner, from taking part in any kind of football-related activity at national and international level for life.

The decision was taken on the basis of investigations carried out by the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee following its report on the inquiry into the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cup bidding process. The chairman of the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee, Dr Cornel Borbly, who took over the chairmanship from his predecessor in late December 2014, immediately opened the investigation into Mr Warners activities in January 2015.

Mr Warner was found to have committed many and various acts of misconduct continuously and repeatedly during his time as an official in different high-ranking and influential positions at FIFA and CONCACAF. In his positions as a football official, he was a key player in schemes involving the offer, acceptance, and receipt of undisclosed and illegal payments, as well as other money-making schemes. He was found guilty of violations of art. 13 (General rules of conduct), art. 15 (Loyalty), art. 18 (Duty of disclosure, cooperation and reporting), art. 19 (Conflicts of interest), art. 20 (Offering and accepting gifts and other benefits) and art. 41 (Obligation of the parties to collaborate) of the FIFA Code of Ethics.

The ban is effective from 25 September 2015, the date on which the present decision was notified.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on September 29, 2015, 09:43:58 AM

Media Release from Warner - RE: FIFA's ban on Warner
September 29, 2015 at 6:51am

I left the FIFA in April 2011 and if in September 2015 (some 4 years and 5 months after) the FIFA wants to ban me for life without even a hearing then so be it.
I do not believe however that this will serve as the distraction to the FIFA's present problems as the FIFA wishes it to be.
Given what is happening in Zurich with Sepp Blatter I guess that there is no such thing as a coincidence.
Regards


Jack Warner

.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 29, 2015, 02:59:12 PM
FIFAs Independent Ethics Committee bans Jack Warner from all football-related activities for life
FIFA.com


The adjudicatory chamber of the Ethics Committee, chaired by Hans-Joachim Eckert, has decided to ban the former FIFA Vice-President and Executive Committee member as well as CONCACAF President, Mr Jack Warner, from taking part in any kind of football-related activity at national and international level for life.

The decision was taken on the basis of investigations carried out by the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee following its report on the inquiry into the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cup bidding process. The chairman of the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee, Dr Cornel Borbly, who took over the chairmanship from his predecessor in late December 2014, immediately opened the investigation into Mr Warners activities in January 2015.

Mr Warner was found to have committed many and various acts of misconduct continuously and repeatedly during his time as an official in different high-ranking and influential positions at FIFA and CONCACAF. In his positions as a football official, he was a key player in schemes involving the offer, acceptance, and receipt of undisclosed and illegal payments, as well as other money-making schemes. He was found guilty of violations of art. 13 (General rules of conduct), art. 15 (Loyalty), art. 18 (Duty of disclosure, cooperation and reporting), art. 19 (Conflicts of interest), art. 20 (Offering and accepting gifts and other benefits) and art. 41 (Obligation of the parties to collaborate) of the FIFA Code of Ethics.

The ban is effective from 25 September 2015, the date on which the present decision was notified.

What does that mean for the Marvin lee Stadium?

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 29, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
What does that mean for the Marvin lee Stadium?

that belong to Jack, even though is FiFa money that build it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on September 29, 2015, 08:06:18 PM
"Ban me for life, even so without a hearing" - Jack Warner.

I dear you to travel to Switzerland for a hearing Jack. Come FIFA, please give Jack a fear hearing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Peong on September 29, 2015, 11:06:25 PM
"Ban me for life, even so without a hearing" - Jack Warner.

I dear you to travel to Switzerland for a hearing Jack. Come FIFA, please give Jack a fear hearing.

If they do that now he will say he will not dignify it by attending.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 30, 2015, 05:06:22 AM
Former General Secretary of the Caribbean Football Union Harold Taylor describes FIFA's lifetime ban on Jack Warner as a total joke.
http://www.cnc3.co.tt/sports/harold-taylor-fifa-ban
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on September 30, 2015, 07:58:33 AM
All de recipients of the largesse coming out of the woodworks in praise for their pimp.
Yuh have to be really hopelessly dependent and beholden to want to go down with Renraw.
I guess they will sing that tune of support until he boards that jet with US Marshalls.
Some may be thinking real longterm hoping that when he sings in testimony against Blatter,
that instead of never seeing T&T again, that he might get a reduced sentence to 15 yrs
and his friends will be earning a li'l change for nursing care help and emotional help on his return
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: palos on September 30, 2015, 01:13:28 PM
"Ban me for life, even so without a hearing" - Jack Warner.

I dear you to travel to Switzerland for a hearing Jack. Come FIFA, please give Jack a fear hearing.

Have no fair....Jack will be their  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on October 08, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
JACK WARNER RELEASES SERIES OF EMAILS BETWEEN HIMSELF AND SKY SPORTS NEWS; SHOWS EMPATHY TOWARDS SEPP BLATTER

Below is an email chain involving Jack Warner and Sky Sports News:

https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/posts/10153686824277996:0 (https://www.facebook.com/CNC3Television/posts/10153686824277996:0)

"Dear Roger,

I am sorry for having taken a seemingly inordinate length of time to respond to your last advice but several matters of a more pressing nature militated against an earlier reply.

Let me state at the outset that I take no pleasure in seeing the demise of colleagues in the FIFA with whom I once worked despite the shabby and unfair manner in which they treated me.

As far as I am concerned two wrongs would never make a right and I could never support this witch-hunt that is now taking place and which has been initiated by the USA for reasons obvious to even the blind.

Most of these guys in FIFA, if not all, at one time were my friends and together we worked hard to improve the standard of football globally.

That we have drifted apart is no reason to shred the memories that we shared, ignore the strides we have made or even plot against the freedom of each other.

Sky Sports News should have followed the Pontiffs tour of the USA and understand his message of forgiveness, a message filled with compassion and love and maybe they would have been touched enough to understand that one cannot gloat on the pain of others.

For this reason I must decline your request.

My story is my story and I refuse to be a part of the multitude that wishes to bring pain and hurt upon people who I once called friends.

Thanks for your offer but I must refuse. I am copying this advice to you to my Media Officer in the hope that he can disseminate it as extensively as I know you would do from your end.

Regards
Jack Warner

In a message dated 10/8/2015 8:00:53 A.M. SA Western Standard Time, Roger.Clarke@sky.uk writes:
Dear Mr Warner,

As always I am extremely grateful for your prompt response to my previous email. While I appreciate your desire to offer no further comment on the subject, there remains an appetite here at Sky Sports News to hear more from you. It is clear from your email that you are aggrieved by your treatment by FIFA and we are now seeing those who you feel instigated your departure facing accusations of their own. We would once again like to offer the opportunity to speak to us on camera, to add detail to what you have alluded to. The whole Football world is watching and waiting to find out the truth about FIFA and we believe you can shed considerable light on the matter.

I understand that you will have had many requests for such interviews, and I appreciate the politeness and decency with which you have responded to our own numerous requests. I would like to think that we at Sky Sports News can offer you a platform where you can speak freely and be treated fairly and without prejudice. The offer remains open. We would be prepared to travel at any time you should decide you be happy to speak. In the meantime, would there perhaps be an opportunity to conduct an interview over the phone, if only to repeat what you have already said in your email?

Once again, I appreciate your continued correspondence regarding this matter and hold out the hope that at some stage we can meet for an interview.

Regards,

Roger Clarke

From: dsurvivor2011@aol.com [mailto:dsurvivor2011@aol.com]
Sent: 08 October 2015 12:25
To: Clarke, Roger (Sports News) <Roger.Clarke@sky.uk>
Subject: Re: Sky Sports News

Roger, I left FIFA more than 4 years ago and I have said repeatedly that though I have left FIFA it seems that the FIFA does not want to leave me. However I will continue to maintain my silence and say nothing about the FIFA and the problems it is experiencing today. Suffice it to say that Sepp Blatter and Jerome Valcke are the cause of their own demise; a demise which started on May 17, 2011 when they both wrongly hounded Bin Hammam and me out of office using the Blatter-invented and controlled FIFA Ethics Committee. Today the tables have turned, proving once again, that what goes around comes around.

And this is my final comment on this subject.

Regards

In a message dated 10/8/2015 6:47:12 A.M. SA Western Standard Time, Roger.Clarke@sky.uk writes:
Good Morning Mr Warner,

I hope you are well. You will be aware of the recent events at FIFA with the decision of the Ethics Committee to suspend Sepp Blatter for 90 days along with Michel Platini and Jerome Valcke. Do you have any comment to make on these latest developments? Would it be for the best for Sepp Blatter to accept the suspension and step down now rather than continue with his plan to stay on until February?

Regards,

Roger Clarke"

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on October 09, 2015, 08:43:39 PM

VIDEO Report; http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Warner-On-FIFA--7303-331845841.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-Warner-On-FIFA--7303-331845841.html)

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Warner On FIFA


President Sepp Blatter has appealed his 90 day suspension from the world football governing body. This coincides with FIFA's announcement that there will be an extraordinary meeting of its executive committee in Zurich on October 20. This morning Blatter got a ringing endorsement from one of his former allies Jack Warner, who also got into his own ban on football. Warner even had a little prediction as to T&T's World Cup ambitions. We caught up with the former Concacaf boss after he spoke at TTUTA's Teachers Convention in St Ann's.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on November 18, 2015, 06:02:49 AM
Jack Warner gets MBA
Sunday, November 15 2015

INDEPENDENT Liberal Party (ILP) former leader, Jack Warner, 72, was awarded a Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degree issued by Anglia Ruskin University at the School of Accounting and Management (SAM) graduation ceremony at the Hilton Trinidad, Port-of-Spain on November 8.


Fascinatingly, he was among an unusually high number of fellow-graduates who were also present and/or former members of the former Peoples Partnership government.

Those also receiving MBAs including United National Congress (UNC) acting chairman, Khadijah Ameen; former tourism minister, Chandresh Sharma; former Congress of the People councillor, Kevan Gibbs; and former Strategic Services Agency head, Reshmi Ramnarine


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trevor on November 18, 2015, 02:51:44 PM
Were they giving away MBA degrees?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on November 18, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Were they giving away MBA degrees?
anybody who could wuk Fifa and a country for so many years deserve a Prize..not Nobel nor Noble..but at least a Chifu something
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on November 29, 2015, 05:57:40 AM
Jack: I'll go broke.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


FORMER FIFA vice-president Jack Warner was once considered footballs darling. He held one of the highest positions in the international football body, was close to the sports boss, suspended FIFA president Sepp Blatter, and was said to be worth millions.

Now Warner, who no longer walks through footballs corridors of power, is now concerned about being left in a parlous financial state during his last years.

The 72-year-old former politician, now newspaper publisher and corruption accused, in his affidavit to support his application to have the entire process adopted so far by the government to have him extradited to the United States (US) nullified, says he is concerned over what the bill for his defence would do to him.

I am concerned that the amount of money it will take to defend myself in relation to these charges will drain all of my resources and leave me in a parlous financial state during my last years when I am found not guilty, he said.

Holding fast to his promise, the former Fifa vice-president last Friday approached the High Court seeking to have deemed illegal the go-ahead given by Attorney General (AG) Faris Al-Rawi to proceed with extraditing the former government minister to the United States (US).

He is also challenging the Extradition Order issued by the US, saying it goes against local extradition laws.

Warners lawyers filed the voluminous application and are awaiting a date for the leave hearing.

The former FIFA vice-president is represented by Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein, Rishi Dass, Nyree Alfonso, Sasha Bridgemohansingh and Anil Maraj. According to documents supporting his application for leave, Warner said since the beginning of the process to have him face criminal prosecution in the US, he has had significant and persistent anxiety over the extradition process.

He said he has also read in various American and international publications that the bond arrangements for other persons accused of corruption related charges are extremely high.

Warner quoted reports from the Cayman Islands that Jeff Webb, a former Concacaf president and FIFA vice president like himself and his successor at FIFA before also being named in the US indictment, was going broke in meeting his US$10 million bond and complying with his house arrest arrangements in New York, which are conditionalities for his bail.

Webb has also been indicted on alleged racketeering, conspiracy and corruption.

Warner also said he has read of the guilty plea of a former senior FIFA official in November, 2013, who was also released on a US$10 million bond, and the extradition of Alejandro Burzaco, the second accused person to be extradited to the US arising out of the FIFA debacle, who was placed on US$20 million bail.

Warner, who held positions as a minister in the last Peoples Partnership government; chairman of the United National Congress; and political leader and chairman of the fledging Independent Liberal Party, withdrew from FIFA related activities in 2011.

There have been several allegations against him relating to the decades he spent in football, from black market ticket sales to requests for personal payments, and pocketing footballs money.

In 2013, Concacaf s Integrity Committee, headed by David Simmons, former Chief Justice of Barbados, issued a report accusing Warner and his former cohort Chuck Blazer of mismanagement and massive fraud.

Warner is alleged to have concealed his ownership of the land on which Concacaf s $25 million Joao Havalange Centre of Excellence was built, which made him the effective owner of the building.

Warners initial public reaction was defiant: As far as I am aware it is baseless and malicious.

I left Concacaf and turned my back on football two years ago.

Since then I have had no interest in any football-related matter. Two years later he was indicted for wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering by the US Department of Justice and was banned from FIFA for life.

In his affidavit, Warner says since relinquishing his role as leader of the ILP, he moved back to the realm of business. Among the entities in whose management he is involved, are: Jamad Maintenance Services Limited, Multi Stores Limited; Joe Public Limited; Renraw Investments Limited; East Bend Management Limited; CCAM and Company Limited; Kantac Limited; and Sunshine Publishing Company Limited.

He says he also hold shareholdings in other companies.

Much of his affidavit surrounds the circumstances for his legal headaches, giving a time line of the extradition process thus far.

He returns to court on Wednesday, but this matter will be stayed pending the outcome of the determination of the judicial review application, which could take years if the case goes to Privy Council.

He also speaks of the exchanges between his attorneys and former AG Garvin Nicholas as well as the current AG Faris Al-Rawi, whom he accused of attempting to barter with his right to make representation against the continued ability of the AG to infringe his liberty with an arbitrary deadline of a few days prior to him signing the authority to proceed (ATP), which gave the go-ahead to the chief magistrate to commence extradition proceedings.

My attorneys also emphasised the failure to provide disclosure requested and a fair hearing were the result of the position taken by the Attorney General.

In fact, having delayed the extradition matter to the eve of the deadline imposed by the court, the Attorney General required my agreement to a further infringement of my rights that was contrary to the scheme of the Extradition Act, he said.

According to the judicial review claim, there is no common law right of extradition and the mere existence of a treaty between TT and a foreign sovereign state is of itself of no domestic effect until and unless that treaty is incorporated into domestic law The application notes that the power to domestically incorporate an extradition treaty is given to the AG, by Order, under Section 4 of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, and remains an executive action, subject to the ordinary judicial review jurisdiction of the High Court.

Accordingly, the US request for extradition (US Order) purportedly made under Section 4 of the Act, remains delegated legislation, subject to being quashed as being ultra vires its empowering statute.

The lawsuit notes that the US Order, failed to comply with the strictures contained in the local Extradition Act; was not in conformity of the Act, and specifically offended against the restrictions contained in the Act against the return of persons to a requesting state.

The application says it was unlawful for a person to be tried and punished in the requesting state for extra- territorial offences where such offences, had they occurred outside of TT in similar circumstances, would not have constituted an offence in this country.

The lawsuit also went on to note that the US Order offended against the principle of minimum gravity by allowing a person to be detained, tried and punished for offences for which a magistrate has not ordered committal.

More fundamentally, the lawsuit said, the US request signals that this country will have no objection to a wanted person being detained, punished and tried for any number of offences for which they have not been sought and represented a dilution of the protection afforded by local extradition laws.

Warners lawyers have also cited breaches of natural justice in the issuance of the authority to proceed, the failure to provide Warner with a fair hearing, as well as the issue of bias as the AG was advised by lawyers representing the interests of the US in the proceedings in the courts.

The former Member of Parliament is also asking for declarations that the extradition request of the US be deemed unlawful as well as the authority to proceed signed by the AG, and orders that the request and the ATP be quashed.

Warner also wants that section 4(3) of the Extradition Act, which allows for the recitation of the treaty held with a foreign country in any extradition order made and prevents the legality of the order from being questioned in any legal proceedings, be declared unconstitutional and it be struck down.

Warner, who surrendered himself to Fraud Squad officers on May 27, after learning of the provisional warrant is currently on $2.5 million bail.

On September 21, days after the deadline for him to sign expired, Al-Rawi issued the authority to proceed.

One week later, an application by Warners lawyers to have the provisional warrant quashed, was denied by the deputy chief magistrate. Under the ATP, Warner is charged with 29 counts of several statutory offences, including money laundering under the Proceeds of Crime Act; corruption under the Prevention of Corruption Act and receiving under the Larceny Act.

There are also several common law offences including conspiracy to accept corrupt payments; conspiracy to launder money and conspiracy to defraud.

Warner was indicted in May by a US grand jury on 12 charges of wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering over an escalating scandal at FIFA, football`s world governing body.

US authorities have charged 14 FIFA officials and sports marketing executives of soliciting and receiving more than $150 million in bribes and kickbacks over two decades.

On July 23, US authorities asked for Warner, a former head of football`s governing body in North America, Central America and the Caribbean (Concacaf) to be extradited to face the charges.

So far only three of those charged are in the jurisdiction of New York.

Warner and nine other defendants are still fighting extradition to the US six from Switzerland, where they were arrested in a May swoop on a Zurich hotel two from Argentina and one from Uruguay.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: coache on November 29, 2015, 08:29:50 PM
John Williams would make Jack Warner look like a saint....why?..Jack taketh and Jack giveth...

John Williams will pillage and racket will run amok...the national football will starve while John Williams and WConnection will be in high society....mark my words....today is the darkest day for National teams...

Hart will get the axe....let's hope his good results continue.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on November 30, 2015, 08:30:08 AM
Jack: I'll go broke.
:rotfl: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin: :violin:
A fool and his money will later part.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 06, 2015, 05:00:49 AM
Jack Warner says US winning battle to take over FIFA
Jamaica Observer


 PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad and Tobago (AFP) Fallen Trinidad and Tobago football honcho Jack Warner said Friday the latest fallout from the corruption scandal gripping world football showed the United States was winning its battle to "take over FIFA."

Speaking outside a court hearing where he is seeking to stave off his extradition to the United States, Warner said there were ulterior motives for the US indictments charging him and a host of other top football officials and marketing executives with corruption.

He said that one official snared Thursday in latest anti-graft sting, Honduran national Alfredo Hawit, would be replaced as president of the North American, Central American and Caribbean football confederation (CONCACAF) by the head of the US Soccer Federation, Sunil Gulati.

Although CONCACAF has not named a replacement for Hawit, Warner warned of a nefarious American plot.

"Since the US is the football police of the world they're happy the acting president of CONCACAF is the US president of football, so I guess they have won the first stage for now," he said.

"So let them take over FIFA and let them remove the World Cups from Qatar and Russia, that is all right," he said sarcastically.

Warner, 72, was among the initial group of 14 people indicted last May on racketeering, bribery and money laundering charges by the US Attorney General for their alleged involvement in corrupt practices at world football's governing body, including massive bribes for the awarding of marketing rights to tournaments.

Warner's lawyers are challenging the legality of an extradition treaty between Trinidad and Tobago and the United States.

Justice James Aboud adjourned the case to December 17 and said he hoped to deliver a decision by early February.

Warner's lawyers have already indicated they are prepared to appeal all the way to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in Britain, the final court of appeal for this Commonwealth country.

Warner's defense chief, Fyard Hosein, said the day's proceedings were "the start of a long, drawn-out legal battle" that would take several years.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on December 19, 2015, 03:30:12 AM
http://www.dw.com/en/report-germany-floated-deal-worth-millions-to-jack-warner-for-world-cup-2006-vote/a-18928820

(Will edit without link later).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on January 23, 2016, 05:24:10 AM
Warner extradition proceedings stayed
By JADA LOUTOO (Newsday)


A HIGH Court judge has stayed extradition proceedings against former FIFA vice president Jack Warner, but the former ministers attorneys say they will not be rushed as they seek to challenge the legality of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, and the Treaty signed between this country and the United States.

Warner is wanted in the US to answer eight counts of racketeering and fraud as they relate to his tenure while at the helm of the worlds football governing body.

At a sitting in the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain yesterday, Justice James Aboud gave Warner permission to challenge the authority to proceed signed last September by Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi, which gave the Chief Magistrate the go ahead to begin committal proceedings.

Aboud noted while the leave stage was not a full scale dress rehearsal of the claim, the bar must not be raised too high.

He granted Warner permission to challenge the legality of the authority to proceed, as well as, what he referred to as the sincerity of the offer by AG Al-Rawi to the former FIFA vice president and the response of the former minister.

The judge said while the first ground of complaint was arguable with a realistic prospect of success, the latter barely crossed the bar.

He however said the complaint of apparent bias by the AG as he allegedly received advice from attorneys representing the requesting state (United States) failed to get off the ground as he found no evidence to impugn the impartiality of Al-Rawi.

Warner is to file his lawsuit by February 5 and the matter has been adjourned to February 26, when dates will be set for a hearing of the substantial case.

It was after the judge advised that he intended to run on a tight schedule and will be prioritising the extradition hearing as any delay will only serve to retard the momentum of the case, that temperatures began to rise in the courtroom.

Warners lead counsel Fyard Hosein SC, warned against rushing the case to pander to the United States.

He also took issue with comments by lead counsel for the State, Douglas Mendes SC, that there were other persons being extradited around the world in connection with the FIFA investigations in the US, and we wont want to find ourselves in a position where we are lagging behind. Hosein said, I dont see why this case is being treated as a priority because some foreign government they have an issue with a citizen of this country. But Mendes made it clear the State was not seeking to compromise the rights of claimants, but he noted the case was an academic one and reminded that extraditions involved an agreement between states and persons should be mindful to continue the comity between states even as the process is being challenged.

Following the exchange between both lead counsel, Aboud made it clear that he treated with all extradition hearings with expediency.

I believe it is in the interests of the police whose return is being required, he assured. Aboud said a person who did not want his extradition case to proceed expediently must have a good reason for not wanting his case to be treated in this way.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on January 26, 2016, 11:59:44 AM

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on February 24, 2016, 02:31:36 PM
First time I read this in detail

94: Howdy! How remortgaging a house saved the World Cup
Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/94-howdy-how-remortgaging-house-saved-world-cup#CIejFgEDB2A3dt56.99

Is this where JW got his idea/story about saving T&T football?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 28, 2016, 06:37:31 AM
Warner judicial review lawsuit takes new twist.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


US applies to be made interested party

Former government minister Jack Warners extradition proceedings took another turn yesterday when the United States government attempted to intervene in his judicial review lawsuit challenging Attorney General Faris Al-Rawis decision to sign off on its request to have him extradited to face charges in the ongoing Fifa bribery scandal.

During a status hearing in the Port-of-Spain High Court yesterday morning, attorney Vanessa Gopaul, who is representing the US, appeared in court and indicated her client intended to apply to be joined as an interested party.

Her statement was immediately opposed by Warners lawyer Fyard Hosein, SC, who questioned the reason for the countrys attempt to enter the case.

It (the US) is partisan in its approach. They want to get Warner there in the shortest possible time, Hosein said.

Stating that Hosein will be able to make extensive submissions on the issue at a later date, Justice James Aboud then instructed Gopaul to file her clients application by March 18. Hosein also has until that date to file an application to adduce expert testimony in the case.

Warner, in his claim, is questioning the procedure adopted by the Office of the Attorney General in signing off on the USs request for his extradition made in May, last year, at the end of the US Department of Justices investigation into Fifa. He is facing fraud and money-laundering charges related to his two decades as a vice-president of world footballs governing body.

Earlier this year, Aboud granted Warner a stay of his ongoing extradition proceedings currently before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar, which will expire after Aboud decides on the legality and constitutionality of his extradition.

Warners attorneys are alleging that this countrys extradition treaty with the US contradicts the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act. They are claiming that, in passing the act, Parliament afforded citizens certain protections which are ignored by the international treaty.

He is also complaining that Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi failed to give his attorneys a fair opportunity to make representations to him before he signed off on the Authority to Proceed, which was required to kick off the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

Shortly after taking over the case from his predecessor Garvin Nicholas in September, last year, Al-Rawi extended the option to Warner. However, his attorneys allegedly refused as they said it was made a day before Al-Rawi was required to approve the extradition.

Warner is also being represented by Nyree Alfonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maraj, while the State is being represented by Douglas Mendes, SC, and Michael Quamina.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on March 14, 2016, 04:28:45 PM
From today's Frankfurter Allgemeine:

http://m.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fussball/wm-2006-skandal-ok-zahlte-auf-dubioses-jack-warner-konto-14124202.html

German federation said to have deposited 56,469 euros to an account not affiliated to the then TTFF.

E-man?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 16, 2016, 02:16:10 PM
FIFA admits to World Cup hosting bribes, asks U.S. for return of money.
USA Today


GENEVA (AP) FIFA acknowledged Wednesday that past World Cups were awarded based on bribes, and the organization wants U.S. prosecutors to give it "tens of millions of dollars" seized from the former FIFA officials who took the cash.

FIFA submitted a 22-page claim to the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York on Tuesday that seeks a big share in restitution from more than $190 million already forfeited by soccer and marketing officials who pleaded guilty in the sprawling corruption case.

Tens of millions of dollars more is likely to be collected by U.S. authorities when sentences are handed down, and from dozens of officials currently indicted but who have denied bribery charges or are fighting extradition.

FIFA claims it is the victim of corrupt individuals, despite widespread criticism that bribe-taking was embedded in its culture in the presidencies of Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter, who was forced from office after 17 years by the current scandal.

"The convicted defendants abused the positions of trust they held at FIFA and other international football organizations and caused serious and lasting damage to FIFA," FIFA President Gianni Infantino said Wednesday in a statement. "The monies they pocketed belonged to global football and were meant for the development and promotion of the game. FIFA as the world governing body of football wants that money back and we are determined to get it no matter how long it takes."

In documents seen by The Associated Press, FIFA asks for:

$28.2 million for years of payments, including bonuses, flights and daily expenses, to officials it now says are corrupt

$10 million for the "theft" of money that FIFA officials transferred as bribes to then-executive committee members to vote for South Africa as 2010 World Cup host

"substantial" cost of legal bills since separate U.S. and Swiss federal probes of corruption in international soccer were revealed last May

damages for harm to its reputation, plus other bribes and kickbacks for media rights to non-FIFA competitions but "which were made possible because of the value of the FIFA brand"

"FIFA has become notable for the defendants' bribery and corruption, not its many good works," lawyers for soccer's world body state in the claim. "FIFA is entitled to restitution for this harm to its business relationships, reputation and intangible property."

FIFA's grab for a share of the money sets up a battle with two of its regional confederations CONMEBOL, the South American confederation, and CONCACAF, the body running soccer in North America. It was officials and competitions from those regions that were most involved in the corruption crisis.

It also signals a change in strategy for FIFA, after months of senior officials distancing Zurich from the scandal, instead blaming confederations which are beyond its control.

Most of the already seized money $151.7 million will come from Brazilian marketing executive Jose Hawilla, whose group of agencies were heavily involved with matches CONCACAF and CONMEBOL controlled but not FIFA directly.

In an initial claim for $28.2 million, FIFA specifies an amount for each of 20 men from the Americas over many years that it says it should be repaid from money held by U.S. authorities.

FIFA wants more than $5.3 million it spent on Chuck Blazer, the disgraced American official who has pleaded guilty, allocates $4.4 million of its claim for former FIFA vice president Jack Warner, and $3.5 million for Ricardo Teixeira, Havelange's former son-in-law form Brazil.

Warner, a long-time powerbroker from Trinidad and Tobago until resigning in a 2011 election bribery scandal, is identified by FIFA in its 22-page claim for receiving a $1 million bribe from 1998 World Cup bid candidate Morocco, and ensuring the $10 million bribe from South Africa was paid via a FIFA account in 2008.

FIFA claims a further $2 million for payments to Jeffrey Webb, the Cayman Islands banker who was arrested at a luxury Zurich hotel last May, and now lives at his home near Atlanta, Georgia, awaiting sentence in June.

"These dollars were meant to build football fields, not mansions and pools; to buy football kits, not jewelry and cars; and to fund youth player and coach development, not to underwrite lavish lifestyles for football and sports marketing executives," Infantino said.

It is unclear how much influence Infantino, a former lawyer, had had in the restitution claim since he was elected only three weeks ago, with strong support from voters in the Americas.

Infantino's signature pitch to voters on election day was about finances, saying bluntly "It's your money." That resonated with members of CONMEBOL and CONCACAF, who have had a combined $20 million central funding frozen by FIFA.

CONCACAF, based in Miami, has had its past three presidents implicated in the U.S. case. But it has passed wide-ranging reforms to clean up its operations, and has targeted restitution money to rebuild.

"CONCACAF views itself as a victim of a number of the offenses described in the indictments and intends to seek restitution at the appropriate time," the regional body said in a statement.


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RELATED NEWS

Fifa to sue Jack Warner, Chuck Blazer and Jeffrey Webb in attempt to reclaim pocketed millions
By Phil Blanche (Independent).


The governing body has submitted documents to the US authorities in an effort to reclaim tens of millions of dollars

Fifa plans to reclaim millions of dollars pocketed illegally by corrupt Fifa members and other football officials.

A US investigation exposed widespread corruption at the top of world football and Fifa estimates that at a minimum tens of millions of dollars were diverted from the sport illegally through bribery, kickbacks and corrupt schemes carried out by the defendants.

Fifa submitted documents on Wednesday to the US authorities in an effort to reclaim tens of millions of dollars taken illegally by corrupt Fifa members and other football officials

Newly-elected Fifa president Gianni Infantino said in a statement: "The defendants diverted this money not just from Fifa but from players, coaches and fans worldwide who benefit from the programmes that Fifa runs to develop and promote football."

Former executives Jack Warner, a former Fifa vice-president, Chuck Blazer and Jeffrey Webb are among the defendants Fifa has said it will sue.

Fifa says it is a "victimised institution" and has submitted a request for restitution to the US attorney's office and the US probation office for the Eastern District of New York.

It is claiming damages from 41 former Fifa officials from other football organisations indicted in the ongoing investigation by the US Department of Justice.

Fifa accepts the millions of dollars lost during the corruption scandal is likely to increase as the investigation continues.

The US government has already announced forfeiture amounts that should cover Fifa's claims for damages.

"The convicted defendants abused the positions of trust they held at Fifa and other international football organisations and caused serious and lasting damage to Fifa, its member associations and the football community," Infantino said.

"The monies they pocketed belonged to global football and were meant for the development and promotion of the game.

"Fifa as the world governing body of football wants that money back and we are determined to get it no matter how long it takes.

"These dollars were meant to build football fields, not mansions and pools; to buy football kits, not jewellery and cars; and to fund youth player and coach development, not to underwrite lavish lifestyles for football and sports marketing executives.

"When Fifa recovers this money, it will be directed back to its original purpose: for the benefit and development of international football."

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on March 16, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
here go..
No claim,, no gain
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=64867.msg940591#msg940591
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 19, 2016, 04:49:57 AM
Warner says FIFA owes him money.
AFP News


PORT OF SPAIN (AFP) - Disgraced former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner scoffed Friday at reports that the new leaders of the global football governing body are seeking to sue him, insisting FIFA owes him money.

"I don't owe FIFA one nickel and I know that FIFA owes me, but we will deal with that in the fullness of time," Warner said, addressing reporters on the steps of the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain.

Warner said that since his resignation in 2011, he has not been paid a pension of US $100,000 a year.

"I don't even think the FIFA you're talking about is the FIFA I know," Warner said when asked for his reaction to the suit.

On Wednesday FIFA filed requests for restitution with US authorities to reclaim an estimated $190 million which 39 former FIFA executive members, regional football officials, sports marketing moguls and two companies indicted in the United States are accused of embezzling over decades.

Newly elected FIFA president Gianni Infantino said in a statement: "The defendants diverted this money not just from FIFA but from players, coaches and fans worldwide who benefit from the programmes that FIFA runs to develop and promote football."

The new FIFA executive says a $10 million payment from South Africa to CONCACAF -- football's governing body for North and Central America and the Caribbean which was led by Warner at the time -- was a bribe in exchange for votes in the 2010 World Cup bid process.

Warner was in court on Friday for a hearing in his legal challenge to extradition proceedings filed against him by the United States.

He is challenging the legality of the extradition treaty that exists between the United States and Trinidad and Tobago.

Several procedural matters remain to be dealt with. Another hearing was set for June 3.

Title: The depths of Jack Warner's greed: Excerpt from American Huckster
Post by: Tallman on April 20, 2016, 07:10:42 AM
The depths of Jack Warner's greed: Excerpt from American Huckster
By Mary Papenfuss and Teri Thompson


This article is excerpted from American Huckster: How Chuck Blazer Got Rich Fromand Sold Outthe Most Powerful Cabal in World Sports by Mary Papenfuss & Teri Thompson, available April 26 from HarperCollins. It can be pre-ordered here (https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062449672/american-huckster).

A jumble of bleached concrete structures rises in the sticky heat across from farm fields in the tiny Trinidadian township of Macoya. CONCACAF, the acronym of the soccer federation representing the Caribbean and Central and North America, is spelled in large blue letters on a water tower. The complex includes a bathhouse, an outdoor swimming pool, the small Marvin Lee Stadium and soccer field, a hangar-sized meeting and banquet building, a health club and an inn. The buildings are so out of place in this tropical landscape 11 miles east of Port of Spain that they could have been dropped there by aliens. But theyre hardly futuristic or even state of the art. The electricity sometimes flickers out at the inn, or the hot water trickles to nothing.

This is CONCACAFs $26 million Centre of Excellence.

It was meant to help promote the beautiful game and develop playing and coaching skills. Instead, its the mother of sports boondoggles, built by the man branded by one U.S. law enforcement investigator as FIFAs crook of crooks: former CONCACAF president Jack Warner.

Warners greed was deeper than the Caribbean, and it would drown both him and his longtime American partner in crime, CONCACAF secretary general Chuck Blazer.

Blazer had backed Warner to become the associations president in 1990, an initially lucrative miscalculation that, a decade and a half later, would trigger Blazers ignominious downfalland FIFAs. Over the years Warners scams became ever more brazen and his invective ever more outlandish until they exposed the FIFA executive committees dirty business, which had been cloaked for decades behind impeccable manners and carefully coded conversations at elegant dinners.

The Centre of Excellence was Warners brainchild, paid for by FIFA and CONCACAF. But the CONCACAF board didnt discover until 2012 (17 years after the center was approved) that the complex had been built on land owned by Warner. He used soccer association funds to buy the real estate and controlled all construction and operating funds. As of late 2015, four years after his removal from both CONCACAF and the FIFA executive committee (Ex-Co), Warner still owned the center and collected income from it.

The complex is tucked away at the extreme southeastern edge of the vast CONCACAF territory, which extends from the Caribbean to northern Canada. Its as if we located it in some backwater town in Alaska, noted Clive Toye, the former general manager of the defunct New York Cosmos, who worked for a time for CONCACAF. There was a soccer pitch, but not a very good one, and I never saw a single person playing a game or practicing.

There seemed to be everything else, though. The Centre of Excellence has hosted the Trini Ink Tattoo Convention, the Caribbean Nail and Beauty Trade Show and a Barely Legal Pimp My Ride car show. Weddings are its major moneymakers. As for soccer-related activities, very occasional coaching clinics are conducted by the Joe Public Football Club, one of Warners many family companies. (It also owns the FC Santa Rosa team, which plays the odd game at the stadium.) The Warner family travel agency, Simpaul, arranges all transportation to the site.

In 1996 Joo Havelange, who was then FIFAs president thanks in part to the votes of Caribbean nations that Warner delivered, praised Warner for his vision in creating the center. By then two Warner family companies, CCAM and Company Ltd. and Renraw Investments Ltd., had purchased the three plots of land for the center for a total of $1.7 million. The first purchase in Renraws name was tracked directly to FIFA funds; records on the purchase details for the other parcels are missing, but CCAM and Renraw bought the land shortly after FIFA funds were deposited inand vanished fromCONCACAF accounts.

CONCACAF spent at least $26 million on the construction and development of the Centre of Excellence from 96 to 2006. Warner also leveraged the property as collateral to obtain personal loans, according to a subsequent investigative report by CONCACAFs integrity committee. The committee was unable to determine how any of the millions spent on the center were used, because all records (if any existed) were kept by Warner, who refused to turn them over.

The boldness of the scam worried Blazer. The two men had colluded to collect bribe money in CONCACAF tournaments such as the Gold Cup, Blazer would later confess in U.S. court, and they had covered for each other on individual moneymaking schemes. But the Centre of Excellence was a monster con that devoured funds needed to run the association and its legitimate activities. There are so many things that could have been done with the tens of millions of dollars wasted there, Blazer is quoted as saying in the integrity committee report.

Warner controlled at least four accounts with slight variations in name, a shell game to cache diverted funds, investigators for the integrity committee discovered. When Blazer asked Australian bid committee chairman Frank Lowy about the promised money, the men realized it had been hijacked into one of Warners accounts.
(Lowy later denied the money was intended as a bribe.)

Another contribution, cited in the U.S. indictments of multiple FIFA officials in May 2015, was South Africas bombshell $10 million donation to the center. U.S. officials called it a bribe. Blazer understood the offer to be in exchange for his and Warners FIFA Ex-Co votes backing South Africas bid to host the 2010 Cup, according to the federal indictments.

When CONCACAF investigators finally discovered in 2012 that Warner was the legal owner of the Centre of Excellence, he insisted the facility had been intended all along as a gift for the Caribbean and Jack Warner by his mentor, Havelange. There is no ambiguity, Warner announced. He claimed he had been given an initial $6 million grant for the center in exchange for a promise to Havelange that he would deliver CONCACAF votes to Havelanges chosen successor as FIFA president, Sepp Blatter. With CONCACAFs votes, Blatter did indeed win, 111 to 80.

It was this kind of breathtaking flimflam that helped turn an impoverished Trinidadian boy into a multimillionaire. Warner was one of six siblings raised largely by his mom, Stella, in the village of Rio Claro in southern Trinidad. Stella did cleaning and took in laundry for the parents of a number of Jacks classmates. His peers sometimes used this to embarrass him, a teacher recounted in Warners biography From Zero to Hero, which he co-wrote with journalist Valentino Singh.

Later, when the Warner children lived with an aunt in another community, they faced a different form of discrimination: racism. Rio Claro was dominated by Afro-Trinidadians, the biography states; now [Jack] found himself surrounded by Indo-Trinidadians in a community where peoples complexion often dictated how they were treated. Even his aunt, whose children had lighter skin, treated her nieces and nephews differently. In his biography Warner compared his experience to Cinderellas: We were treated like outcasts and it was almost as if we were brought there to look after my aunts children.

Warner was a bright, industrious student whose good grades earned him scholarships to some of Trinidads most rigorous schools. He attended the College of St. Philip and St. James and later earned a degree in international relations from the University of the West Indies. Eventually he became a history teacher at the islands prestigious Polytechnic Institute.

Warner played soccer, but not very well. He loved the game, though, and was drawn to participate in its life in any way he could. He began by serving as general secretary of the Central Football Association and the Central St. George Football Association and rose to become secretary and head of the TTFF and eventually head of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU).

Warners cunning and his hardscrabble background served him well amid the varied demographics of Trinidad and Tobagos soccer associationsand, later, in island politics. But few members of FIFAs Ex-Co, to which Warner was elevated in 1983, had a soccer history as controversial as his. Printing and selling fake tickets and failing to pay players at the 1989 World Cup playoff was just the beginning.

In 2002 Simpaul Travel, the Warner family company, sold hundreds of black-market World Cup tickets packaged in expensive trips at a $350,000 profit, FIFA investigators discovered. For the 06 Cup in Germany, Simpaul made at least a $1.7 million profit by selling $30,000 ticket-and-trip packages, which was by then against the rulesand the law, according to the 2015 U.S. charges filed against Jacks son Daryan Warner. As a penalty FIFA ordered the Warner family to make a $1 million donation to a charity, but only $250,000 was paid. Jack Warner also agreed to sever all family ties to Simpaulbut Daryan remained a director.

Media rights giveaways to Warner from FIFA presidents in exchange for his crucial support also made him a fortune. Havelange sold Caribbean broadcast rights to the 90 and 94 World Cups to Warner for $1 each so he could resell them for millions. The profits were supposed to be spent developing soccer in the region, but Warner was free to use the proceeds as he saw fit. By Warners admission, Havelange and Blatter arranged the same deal for the 98 rights, to reward Warner for helping to get Blatter elected FIFA president.

Blatter sold Warner Caribbean broadcast rights for the 10 and 14 World Cups for a total of $600,000, according to a contract uncovered by Swiss television station SRF. Warner sublicensed the rights to his private company J&D International (JDI), registered in the Caymans Islands, which in turn sold them to Jamaica SportsMax TV for as much as $20 million. Warner claimed that Blatter also gave him steep discounts on rights for the 02 and 06 Cups. JDI resold the 06 World Cup rights for $4.25 million. No one but Warner knows where the money ended up.

Ticket and media deals were augmented by bribes and outright theft, according to U.S. law enforcement authorities and some soccer leaders. Lord David Triesman, the former chairman of the English Football Association and head of Englands bid for the 18 World Cup, accused Warner in 11 of soliciting almost $4 million in return for votes. Funds were supposed to be filteredagainthrough the Centre of Excellence. Warner called the allegations a piece of nonsense. Blatter vowed to look into the accusations but said he couldnt be responsible for the activities of all the Ex-Co members, who might be angels or they could be devils.

Some $750,000 paid to the TTFF by FIFA and the South Korean Football Federation intended for victims of the catastrophic earthquake that struck Haiti in 2010 vanished while Warner was special adviser to the Caribbean association. TTFF officials said the money landed in an account controlled by Warner.

Warner thought nothing of pressing targets for money loudly and pointedlyin front of witnesses. He even badgered the Queen of England while having tea with her at Buckingham Palace as part of her nations bid to host the World Cup. Warner berated Her Majesty for not spending money to cultivate soccer in Trinidad and Tobago. When representatives of Russia gathered at CONCACAF offices in Trump Tower for an early meeting concerning their 2018 World Cup bid, Warner blurted out at the end of their presentation: Whats in it for me?

Warner felt even more invincible as his increasing popularity in Trinidad thrust him into the political arena and he was appointed the countrys minister of security. In 2007 Warner was elected co-chairman of the opposition party, the United National Congress-Alliance. He became a member of Parliament when the party grabbed 15 of 41 seats in the election that year. He won again in 2010 and vowed to enforce capital punishment by hanging to crack down on crime and corruption. (There hasnt been a hanging in Trinidad and Tobago since 1999.)

Warner allied himself with people and countries he considered to have been rebuffed by the old, white, Western world of FIFA power brokers. He repeatedly emphasized his nations part in the African diaspora. He felt that the Caribbean had been disrespected by FIFA, and he portrayed his indictment in 2015 as persecution by the spoiled Americans, who were miffed because they had missed out on hosting the 2018 World Cup. America believes that it has some divine right to get the World Cup, he said in a videotaped news conference, and they dont believe that a country like Qatar, a small countrya Muslim countryhas a right to a World Cup.

In the midst of this Warner mistook an article in the satirical newspaper The Onion as legitimate journalism (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/05/31/fifa-corruption-jack-warner-video-onion-article). The piece was headlined FIFA Frantically Announces 2015 Summer World Cup in United States. The article, with a Zurich dateline, reported that matches were set to kick off today . . . in Los Angeles. A smiling Sepp Blatter unveiled the tournaments official logo, a hand-drawn stick figure kicking a soccer ball with USA 2015! scribbled above its head in black marker. Warner posted a video to his Facebook page in which he held up the Onion article and asked incredulously, If FIFA is so bad, why is it that the USA wants to keep the FIFA World Cup?

Even more entertaining was Warners dustup with British comedian John Oliver on Olivers HBO show Last Week Tonight (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/06/16/fifa-scandal-jack-warner-john-oliver-response-video-fire). Warner had denounced his indictment in a paid political ad on Trinidad TV. He vowed to provide evidence linking FIFA officials and the 2010 Trinidad presidential election. Not even death will stop the avalanche that is coming, he said.

Oliver, all faux outrage and concern, paid for a spot on the same Trinidad station to run a portion of his comedy monologue answering Warner. He urged the Trinidadian to abide by his promise to lay bare FIFAs disgusting secrets. Warners response again was clueless. He gravely attacked Oliver for embarrassing the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago. He called the British comedian an American foreigner and grumbled, I dont need any advice from any comedian fool. That made Oliver giddy. He crowed on his program that he was adding comedian fool to his business card.

The $10 million bribe that Blazer and Warner extracted from South Africa in 2004 for the right to host the 2010 World Cup was criminal, but their cruel exploitation of 85-year-old former South African president Nelson Mandela was near tragic.

South Africa had lost the 06 Cup to Germany, and the overwhelming sentiment within soccer was that Mandela and Africa deserved the next Cup. But Warner, then Trinidads security minister and a member of Parliament, was in need of political capital. Ten million or not, Jack bluntly told us that if we wanted his vote, we must bring Mandela to the Caribbean, Irvin Khoza, the chairman of South Africas organizing committee, said in 2009.

Mandelas doctors advised against the long flight over the belly of the earth, but South African bid and government officials persuaded the tired and frail Madiba, as Mandela was known, to travel to Trinidad. On April 28, 2004, he boarded a Gulfstream V for the 22-hour flight to Port of Spain. When the G5 touched down at Piarco International Airport and Mandela stepped out, an honor guard stood on the tarmac and an eager crowd of politicians and civilians greeted him with shouts of Madiba! Madiba! Mandela hadnt wanted the fanfare and was too weak to climb the steps of a podium where he was to address the adoring throng. Instead he smiled and told them simply that he had come for two reasons: because I love you very much and because it is not easy to love an old man. So I urge you to love South Africa and this old man.

Mandela had barely slept on the flight. His personal assistant, Zelda La Grange, later wrote in her book Good Morning, Mr. Mandela: A Memoir that she had tried to minimize Mandelas appearances in Trinidad, to little avail: The entire visit was a battle.

Mandelas stay in Trinidad was blessedly brief. He was called home less than two days later for the funeral of his first wife, Evelyn Mase, but not before attending a $1,000-a-plate dinner at the Centre of Excellence in its hard-to-reach dusty wasteland. On the evening of April 29 the center hosted a gala honoring Mandela, with the cracks in the walls covered by screens and curtains. Warner had wrung political gain from a sickly icon under the guise of bringing the CONCACAF vote to South Africa.

To the outside world, Mandelas courage, charisma and place in history were the reasons for South Africas 14-to-10 winning vote over Morocco and Egypt, announced two weeks later in Zurich. Eleven years later, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch would make it clear that the three tainted votes Warner had delivered were the real difference. As the South African newspaper Daily Mavericks columnist Stephen Grootes wrote after the indictments: We didnt know then the cost. And particularly the cost to Nelson Mandela, shipping around the world to satisfy the craving of some two-bit crook.

That was perhaps a little unfair to Warner, who was much more than a two-bit crook. After all, hed already stolen more than $25 million from FIFA and CONCACAF.

Months after FIFAs Ex-Co chose Qatar as the site of the 2022 World Cupa selection that stunned soccer fans and players around the worldMohamed bin Hammam, president of the Qatar Football Association and of the Asian Football Confederation, acted to capitalize on his nations new soccer clout. He announced in March 2011 that he was running to unseat Blatter as FIFA president.

Bin Hammam vowed to battle corruption and increase FIFAs financial transparencywhile at the same time he arranged to offer cash to voters in the Caribbean with Jack Warners help. The Qatari billionaire aimed to pay a total of $1 million to leaders of the various CFU member associations in Trinidad, investigators would later find. Presidents of the local federations and their general secretaries received an e-mailed invitation from Warner to an all-expenses-paid meeting at the Hyatt Regency in Port of Spain on Tuesday, May 10.

Bin Hammam and his nine-member delegation arrived in Trinidad on the eve of the meeting. The following day the CFUs general secretary, Angenie Kanhai, retrieved a suitcase packed with envelopes of cash from Warners office, she would testify. CFU representatives gathered at the Hyatt on Tuesday morning and ate breakfast in a conference room where bin Hammam made a 45-minute speech explaining why he would make an excellent FIFA president.

He promised that, if elected, he would give the associations more say, more support and more pay.

At a luncheon later Warner instructed everyone to go to one of the hotel conference rooms and collect their gift, as Fred Lunn, vice president of the Bahamas Football Association, would explain in an affidavit. When Lunn was ushered into the room, CFU administrator Debbie Minguell asked him to sign a registration form. Lunn added in his affidavit:

She then handed me a manila envelope with Bahamas written on it. I opened the envelope . . . and stacks of hundred-dollar bills fell out . . . . I asked them what it was, and they told me that it was $40,000. They said it was a gift from the CFU. . . . I told them that I had not been authorized to accept such a gift. . . . Debbie reiterated that it was just a gift, and I should accept it. She also told me not to tell anyone about the money.

Lunn contacted his association president, Anton Sealey, who told him to immediately return the money. Sealey then called Chuck Blazer. Blazer indicated that he was not aware of any payments and that he had not authorized any CONCACAF funds to be distributed as cash gifts, Sealey recalled in his own affidavit. (Several other CFU officials also refused the money.) Blazer sent Warner an e-mail warning him, in code, that MBHs ATMsMohamed bin Hammams payoffswere doing some damage, and we need to talk.

The day after Sealey called Blazer, an angry Warner summoned CFU members to a hotel conference room. Warner expressed his extreme disappointment that word of the gifts had leaked. He insisted that both CONCACAF and FIFA knew about the payments and that any country that doesnt want the gift has the right to return it to bin Hammam. What I am telling you, even Mr. Blatter is aware of, no secret, Warner said. I told Blatter also what he gets as well. He explained that cash was simply the most convenient gift available: It was given to you because [bin Hammam] could not bring . . . some silver trinkets and so on, and something with Qatari sand. Warner dismissed any moralizing: If you are pious, go to a church, friends.

Later that day Warner called Blazer to reassure him that he had informed Blatter about the money and that Blatter had no qualms about the payments. Three days after Sealey called him, Blazer contacted FIFAs general secretary to advise him of an apparent violation of the organizations code of ethics. Blazer couldnt see any way to avoid making the call. Too many people knew about the payments, and one of them had come to him directly with a complaint.

Warner was floored that his friend reported him to Zurich, and he vowed revenge. He promised to expose Blazer and unleash a tsunami of information that would hit FIFA in the fullness of time. Warner ripped Blazers ingratitude as worse than witchcraft and blamed a Zionist plot against himself and bin Hammam, a clear attack on CONCACAFs Jewish general secretary.

In a lightning-fast response that was unusual for FIFAand that ensured another term for Blatter in the June 1 presidential electionthe organization suspended both Warner and bin Hammam from all soccer administration activities on May 29, and bin Hammam bowed out of the race for president. By June 11 FIFA had announced that Warner was resigning from all international football organizations, and it barred bin Hammam for life from soccer activities.

Besides Warner, the long list of people charged by the U.S. in the FIFA scandal included his sons Darryl and Daryan, who copped to counts including wire fraud and money laundering. Daryan paid a $1.1 million fine and agreed to pay more at sentencing.

Meanwhile, in Port of Spain, Jack Warner appeared before a crowd in a run-down neighborhood and compared himself to an Ebola victim as he proclaimed his innocence and touted his candidacy for reelection to Parliament. He surely figured a seat in Parliament couldnt hurt his fight to avoid extradition to the U.S. Warner denied publicly that he would ever cooperate with U.S. law enforcement, saying he had not been afforded due process.

On Sept. 21 Warner was in a Port of Spain courtroom awaiting a ruling on extradition from Trinidad attorney general Faris Al-Rawi. He had lost his election for Parliament and at least some of his political clout, but rumors circulated that he had cut a deal with the new prime minister, Keith Rowley, that saved him from the clutches of the U.S. Justice Department. Flanked by reporters and television cameras, Warner emerged from the courtroom with a delay in hand. His lawyers would eventually secure a judicial review of the extradition process itself, putting off their clients next court appearance until Feb. 19, 2016.

The U.S. indictment describes Warner as a man engaged in racketeering, bribery, wire fraud and money laundering. One person close to the investigations would say, The worst person I came across in football was Jack Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Peong on April 20, 2016, 10:23:07 AM
Jack is such a good villain. 10/10
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 20, 2016, 05:31:50 PM
I wish to state for the record that FC Santa Rosa has never been owned by any member of the Warner family, or any company belonging to the Warner Group.

FC Santa Rosa is the property of Keith Look Loy, the founder and sole proprietor of the club since 19 September 1992. In the twenty-four years since its inception, the owner, staff, members and supporters of FC Santa Rosa have worked tirelessly to transform the reality of our Rosa Nation, the thousands of young people we have touched, and the community of Arima, to which we belong. We have transformed what was a youth club into one of the best football clubs in the country.

The statement regarding our club in this book excerpt is false and FC Santa Rosa's lawyers are addressing this matter. In that regard, the authors of the book from which the SI article is excerpted have contacted me this afternoon via telephone to apologize for the incorrect statement regarding FC Santa Rosa's ownership, and have promised a retraction and explanation in Sports Illustrated. I await this. We have also called on the authors to excise the statement from the book. We wait on that. Meantime, we reserve all options. - Keith Look Loy

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 02, 2016, 10:11:33 PM
FCB moves on Jack to recover $1.2m
By Derek Achong (T&T Guardian)


Former government minister Jack Warner may potentially lose the Centre of Excellence, Macoya, as First Citizens Bank (FCB) seeks to recover $1.2 million in unpaid overdraft fees from him.

Through a lawsuit filed in March, First Citizens is seeking repayment of the outstanding funds as well as possession of the 26-acre complex in Macoya and a property in Crown Point, Tobago, which were both mortgaged by Warner as security for the overdraft facility.

The lawsuit came up for hearing before High Court judge Frank Seepersad in the Port-of-Spain High Court for the first time yesterday. Seepersad gave both parties deadlines for filing evidence in the case and adjourned it to June 6.

In her witness statement in the case the banks senior manager for private sector, corporate and investment, Maria Mike, said Warner set up the overdraft facility in 2010.

At the time of Warners last payment to the bank in November 2012, the outstanding balance on the overdraft was almost $860,000. The compensation being claimed by the bank includes interest on the balance stipulated by the bank in its agreement with Warner.

Since resigning as a government minister in 2013 following corruption allegations during his two-decade tenure as vice-president of world footballs governing body FIFA, Warner has been repeatedly hit with legal woes.

In 2014, he was ordered to pay $275,000 in compensation to Faaiq Mohammed, one of his Independent Liberal Party (ILP) local government councillors, who he accused of taking a bribe.

Last year, Justice Robin Mohammed ordered Warner to pay former attorney general Anand Ramlogan almost $900,000 in damages for defamation. Last month, Warner settled a defamation lawsuit brought by former food production minister Devant Maharaj against his weekly Sunshine newspaper.

Besides his legal woes for libel, Warner is challenging his extradition to the United States where he faces fraud and money laundering charges arising out of a US Department of Justice investigation into FIFA officials.

Warner was represented by Keith Scotland and Asha Watkins-Montserin, while Stephen Singh and Shalini Campbell appeared for FCB
Title: Jack Warner counter sues FCB
Post by: Tallman on May 03, 2016, 03:01:51 PM
Jack Warner counter sues FCB
looptt.com


Jack Warner is countersuing First Citizens Bank (FCB) to recover money which he said was wrongfully taken out of his account.

In a statement responding to reports that FCB has filed a claim against him and three companies for the recovery of $1,256,026.90 which includes interest on an overdraft account in his name, Warner said the  loss falls on the bank.

"It was in 2013 Mr Warner brought to the attention of FCB Limited the fact that 36 cheques drawn on his account amounting to the total sum of $1,940,385.00 were honoured by the bank. On all of these cheques, the signature of Mr Warner was forged by one of his employees. FCB failed to detect these forgeries and honoured all of these cheques contrary to the obligations imposed on FCB by the law as well as good banking practice, he said in a statement.

 Noting that the forgeries are the subject of criminal proceedings, Warner said representatives of FCB met with him on several occasions on that matter.

They have however failed to deal satisfactorily with his complaints including the fact that they should not have honoured these invalid forged cheques. In fact, the banks expert selected only 12 of the 36 cheques which are in the possession of the Fraud Squad for examination and concluded that they were forged. Furthermore, the banks expert issued a report stating that the signatures on those cheques he examined were forgeries, he said,

The statement said that the person(s) who perpetrated this fraud have been arrested and charged by the police.

A bank has no authority to pay a forged cheque or debit it to a customer's account and, if it does so, any loss falls on the bank. In these circumstances, the amounts claimed by FCB includes amounts that were wrongfully taken out of Mr Warners account without authority.

In fact, the amount owing to Mr Warner amounts to the sum of $1,940,385.00 plus interest which, calculated at the rate of 9 percent will be well in excess of the amount claimed by FCB. In these circumstances Mr Warner has given instructions to his attorneys to countersue the bank for damages in respect of those cheques, the statement said.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Jumbie on May 03, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
 :rotfl:  :rotfl: the irony
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 03, 2016, 04:09:44 PM
"It was in 2013 Mr Warner brought to the attention of FCB Limited the fact that 36 cheques drawn on his account amounting to the total sum of $1,940,385.00 were honoured by the bank. On all of these cheques, the signature of Mr Warner was forged by one of his employees.

Jack, you take we for an arse or what ? Who is that employee? You is the man who knew everyone's business. Ah wonder if camps has anything to do with that?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 04, 2016, 04:27:01 PM
Those believing it is only a matter of time before arch FIFA rogue Jack Warner, who faces multiple football corruption charges, appears in court in the United States are going to have a long wait.
 
Warner has instigated a judicial review of Trinidad's extradition policy that is going to take six years and then there is a further nine years of appeal procedure for the 73-year-old to exploit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3573940/FA-set-bail-Gianni-Infantino-FIFA-president-s-rash-election-pledges.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 07, 2016, 06:20:53 PM
Ah stop by Center of Excellence today to use the ABM on the compound and wondered where we old friend is these days.....ah kinda missing him.....well de bachanal that comes with him really.......aaaahhhh the good old days......*sigh*
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 18, 2016, 03:25:43 AM
Judge rules in Jacks favour.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Warner wins round one in extradition fight

In a small legal victory for former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner, a local judge has refused the United States government permission to join the judicial review lawsuit brought by Warner challenging Attorney General Faris Al-Rawis decision to sign off on an extradition request from the Justice Department.

Barack Obamas Attorney General Loretta Lynch is seeking to have him extradited to face charges in the ongoing Fifa bribery scandal.

Delivering an oral decision in the Port-of-Spain High Court yesterday afternoon, Justice James Aboud dismissed the USs application to join the judicial review lawsuit.

While Aboud ruled that the US had an interest in the outcome of the case before him, he said that its interest would be adequately dealt with by the Office of the Attorney General.

Its position as an affected party is not compromised by its exclusion because its interest and the AGs appear to be identical, Aboud said.

He also ruled that the US would not bring anything to the table in the case as it admitted that it only wished to make legal submissions in the case.

The applicant will not be bringing to court any different perspective or new evidence as to make its contribution useful, Aboud said.

As part of his ruling Aboud ordered the US to pay Warners legal costs for defending its failed application.

Speaking briefly with reporters after leaving the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain, Warner said he was happy with the decision, which he described as a victory for the sovereignty of T&T.

Ironically the US has to pay me. Its long overdue, Warner said.

Questions over procedure adopted AGs office

Warner, in his claim, is questioning the procedure adopted by the Office of the Attorney General in signing off on the USs request for his extradition made in May, last year, at the end of the US Department of Justices investigation into Fifa. He is facing fraud and money-laundering charges related to his two decades as a senior official of world footballs governing body.

Earlier this year, Aboud granted Warner a stay of his ongoing extradition proceedings currently before Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar, which will expire after Aboud decides on the legality and constitutionality of his extradition.

Warners attorneys are alleging that this countrys extradition treaty with the US contradicts the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act. They are claiming that, in passing the act, Parliament afforded citizens certain protections which are ignored by the international treaty.

He is also complaining that Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi failed to give his attorneys a fair opportunity to make representations to him before he signed off on the Authority to Proceed, which was required to kick off the proceedings before Ayers-Caesar.

Shortly after taking over the case from his predecessor Garvin Nicholas in September, last year, Al-Rawi extended the option to Warner. However, his attorneys allegedly refused as they said it was made a day before Al-Rawi was required to approve the extradition.

Warner is also being represented by Fyard Hosein, SC, Nyree Alfonso, Rishi Dass and Anil Maraj, while the State is being represented by Douglas Mendes, SC, and Michael Quamina. Vanessa Gopaul and Theresa Hadad represented the US.

The US Justice Department is making a legal bid to have a say on a preliminary aspect of its case, in which it seeks to extradite Warner to face charges, in a US court, on alleged corruption in FIFA. That is the wider case. The preliminary matter is Warners challenging the standing of the T&T Attorney General to assent to the extradition request. The Justice Department said it has a vested interest in any issue related Warner's extradition. The judge saw no need for the US authorities to get involved at this point. It does not necessarily signify that Warner will win his fight against extradition. If Warner loses this challenge, the extradition proceedings will restart.

The US now has two weeks to decide if it wants to appeal Aboud's decision. Warner's lawsuit continues on July 13 when attorneys will present submissions on a procedural application for Warner to call several foreign witnesses to testify in the case. A date yet to be set for the trial.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: trini_stallion on June 18, 2016, 08:38:42 AM
I feel Jack is 'The Man,' this guy untouchable!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on June 19, 2016, 09:56:34 AM
From today's Frankfurter Allgemeine:

http://m.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fussball/wm-2006-skandal-ok-zahlte-auf-dubioses-jack-warner-konto-14124202.html

German federation said to have deposited 56,469 euros to an account not affiliated to the then TTFF.

E-man?

Been a while since I had a chance to keep up with this. Been busy with a home reno.
Anyway it says in 2006 the TTFF returned 946 World Cup tickets to various matches they had been allotted to the FIFA ticket office. Those tickets were then transferred to the German WC 2006 Organizing Committee to resell to the general public. Then sometime in 2007 the OC paid the money into a T&T based account named "LOC Germany" which was not associated with TTFF but a branch of CONCACAF (or perhaps Concacaf which we know was Warner's own version) The amount for the tickets seems fair, but a representative of the Germany OC is trying to say they didn't recognize the account was unofficial.


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on July 05, 2016, 03:48:57 AM


US govt appeals judges ruling *
Attorneys blocked in Warner judicial review lawsuit


http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20160704/news/us-govt-appeals-judge8217s-ruling

THE United States government has appealed the decision of a High Court judge who refused to allow the USA to be heard in a judicial review lawsuit brought by former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, challenging his extradition to that country.
The appeal was filed by attorneys representing the US government and was listed to be heard at the Court of Appeal in Port of Spain yesterday, but the hearing was subsequently adjourned to July 18.

The decision being challenged is that of Justice James Aboud, who ruled on June 17 that the judicial review lawsuit dealt with issues that were strictly domestic and did not warrant the participation of the USA.
Title: Warner: Havelange changed football for ever
Post by: Tallman on August 16, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
Warner: Havelange changed football for ever
fourfourtwo.com


Despite allegations of impropriety staining his legacy, ex-FIFA chief Joao Havelange should be fondly remembered according to Jack Warner.

Disgraced former football official Jack Warner has paid a heartfelt tribute to former FIFA president Joao Havelange, who died aged 100 in Rio de Janeiro on Tuesday.

Havelange served as FIFA president between 1974 and 1998, during which time he transformed world football's governing body into a financial powerhouse through a succession of lucrative television rights and sponsorship deals.

He oversaw the expansion of the World Cup finals from 16 to 32 nations and secured a powerbase in football's developing nations that was also enjoyed by his successor Sepp Blatter.

Like Blatter and Warner, Havelange's career was also dogged by controversy and allegations of impropriety.

In 2013, he stepped down from his position as FIFA's honorary president following an investigation into bribery allegations, with the organisation's ethics judge Hans-Joachim Eckert describing Havelange's conduct as "morally and ethically reproachable".

But Warner gushed in praise of a former colleague he credited with changing the fortunes of football comprehensively.

In a statement, he said: "Today world football has lost a friend. I dreaded this day. The man who changed the face of football for ever, saved it from ignominy and transformed it into the beautiful game is no more.

"When Dr Joao Havelange ascended, the football throne the sport was virtually bankrupt but by the time he left, it had become the most affluent sport in the global village.

"He was one of the most progressive thinkers who was never starved for ideas and the quantum leap that took place in the sport was as a result of his vision which he shared even after he officially took his exit from football."

Warner went on to specifically mention the CONCACAF Centre of Excellence named in Havelange's honour in Macoya the complex that has been a huge source of controversy in Caribbean football.

Despite allegations to the contrary, Warner maintains the facility was a gift from Havelange that is owned by the Caribbean Football Union and not himself.

"His greatest contribution to Caribbean football is the gift of the Centre of Excellence in Macoya that he gave to the Warner family, which carries his name and which, ironically, is now a point of contention in our courts," Warner's statement continued.

"But what he has achieved has left no doubt in anyone's mind, no suspicion among those he touched and no misgiving among those who benefited from his stewardship.

"To his immediate family, my family and I do express our condolences. After 100 years my friend will most certainly rest in peace."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on August 16, 2016, 05:14:13 PM
RIP Havelange. Did not know that.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on September 04, 2016, 05:39:43 PM
WATCH: How Jack Warner stole millions (and possibly sent USA to the World Cup)

https://www.youtube.com/v/bzlT6CCbIR0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 04, 2016, 10:43:34 PM
The hack down in the US area should have been a pk.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on September 05, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
it was not Jack position to drive from Fyzabad that was Cummings. And yes everybody new that was a penalty except the referee. 
Title: Mistrust: US wants its lawyers in Jack lawsuit
Post by: Tallman on November 22, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
Mistrust: US wants its lawyers in Jack lawsuit
By Rickie Ramdass (T&T Express)


THE United States Government is taking no chances when it comes to its interests being represented in a judicial review lawsuit filed by former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, who is challenging the legality of the procedure being used to extradite him to that country.

So much so, that British Queen's Counsel James Lewis told a three-judge panel at the Court of Appeal in Port of Spain today that his client did not have total confidence in the Office of the Attorney General to properly present the United States' argument before Justice James Aboud before whom the lawsuit is being heard at the High Court.

The attorney made the submission as he addressed the court in an appeal filed by the US Government after Aboud dismissed an application earlier this year in which the United States was seeking to become a party to the judicial review proceedings.

In his judgment delivered in June, Justice Aboud had stated that even though the proceedings was relative to Warner's extradition, the issue up for determination was strictly domestic and, as such, did not warrant the participation of the United States.

The judge had said that it was his opinion that the US could not make any useful input in the proceedings that could assisting the court in arriving at the proper and correct decision.

Aboud had noted that the United States' case was being presented by the Attorney General's Office and that he was unaware of what the United States could say differently from the AG's Office.

It cannot be to say the same thing differently. Is the AG's position different from the US? Does the AG want the US to say something he won't say? It must be able to offer something more than repetition, Aboud had said.

Warner's claim challenges the Authority to Proceed (ATP) which was signed last September by Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi, which gave Chief Magistrate Marcia Ayers-Caesar the greenlight to begin committal proceedings. He is also challenging the legality of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, and the Treaty signed between this country and the United States. He is contending that the parts of the treaty does not conform with certain sections of the Extradition Act.

At today's hearing which was presided over by Chief Justice Ivor Archie, and Justices of Appeal Allan Mendonca and Peter Jamadar, Lewis said the United States is directly affected by the proceedings and, given this, has a right to be heard as a separate party even though its interest is being represented by the AG's Office.

Is it that you do not trust the Attorney General to represent your interest? asked Archie.

Well that is one way of putting it, Lewis responded. You cannot just trust your interest to be made by someone else. He may concede on an area that we would not and that is why we have a right to be there to make sure our interest and argument is properly put forward, he added.

Lewis added that the court was dealing with a high level and complex procedure that has never been argued before and which will have an impact on all other extradition matters between this country to the United States. That is why the court should welcome all assistance available. This is not a simple run-of-the-mill matter, Lewis stated.

Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein who leads a team of attorneys on behalf of Warner labelled Lewis's statement that his client did not fully trust the Office of the Attorney General to properly represent its interest as very powerful one given the arrangement between the two nations.

After listening to close to four hours of submissions from attorneys representing both sides, the court reserved its ruling to a date that is yet to be announced.
Title: CONCACAF sues Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer for $20 million
Post by: Tallman on April 21, 2017, 06:52:11 PM
CONCACAF sues 2 ex-officials charged in FIFA bribery scandal
Associated Press


North America's soccer federation has filed a lawsuit claiming it was victimized by two defendants charged in the FIFA bribery scandal.

In papers filed earlier this week in federal court in Brooklyn, the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football accuses former FIFA officials Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer of making a fortune through embezzlement allegations that mirror those in a sprawling U.S. criminal investigation that has resulted in charges against several top soccer officials.

The suit accuses the pair of negotiating bribes and kickbacks in connection with lucrative broadcasting rights for tournaments including CONCACAF's Gold Cup championship.

"There can be no doubt that Warner and Blazer victimized CONCACAF, stealing and defrauding it out of tens of millions of dollars in brazen acts of corruption for their own personal benefit at the expense of the entire CONCACAF region," the suit says.

The suit seeks $20 million in compensatory damages and unspecified punitive damages.

Blazer has pleaded guilty and cooperated in the criminal probe. One of his attorneys in that case declined comment on Friday.

Warner is fighting extradition in Trinidad and Tobago, where he's denied any wrongdoing.

FIFA, international soccer's governing body, filed a restitution claim last year in the criminal case that similarly portrayed it as a victim of the defendants.

"Their actions have deeply tarnished the FIFA brand and impaired FIFA's ability to use its resources for positive actions throughout the world, and to meet its global mission of supporting and enhancing the game of football, commonly known in the United States as soccer," it says.

The claim includes a demand for tens of millions in payments, including $10 million it says was stolen by Warner, Blazer and others.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 26, 2017, 01:44:27 AM
Warner to sue CONCACAF, Gulati for US$40M.
T&T Newsday Reports.


Former FIFA vice-president, Jack Warner, is set for a legal showdown with CONCACAF after instructing his attorney Keith Scotland to file a US$40 million lawsuit against CONCACAF and United States Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati.

Warner, who is currently banned from all football-related activities falling under FIFA, is suing for the persistent defamation of my character. On Friday, it was reported that CONCACAF was suing Warner and ex-CONCACAF general secretary Chuck Blazer for US$20 million, alleging the pair negotiated bribes and kickbacks in connection with lucrative broadcasting rights for tournaments.

But Warner, in a press release yesterday afternoon, dismissed the allegations, saying the accusations being made have been repetitive and ancient and questioned why he is being targeted by footballs regional authorities.

I have left the CONCACAF since 2011. Why the CONCACAF will not leave my family and me alone is simply mind-boggling. CONCACAF football is at its lowest today and the current threat to sue Warner and Blazer for 20 million US is nothing more than a distraction to shift its pathetic current state away from the management of this Confederation, he said.

He believes the lawsuit against him stems from vindictiveness due to the inability of the USA to acquire the hosting rights for the 2022 World Cup which was awarded to Qatar.

All these false allegations filed in an American court simply because the USA did not obtain the votes to host a FIFA World Cup will fall to nought, he said, while adding Gulati and other CONCACAF officials may have something to hide.

I have my name to protect and my family to defend and that I will do to the very end.

I have been slaughtered for the past six years and have remained silent ignoring my legal options to respond to the atrocities that have been perpetrated against me by men of the lower ilk. And so the time has come for me to respond, he said.

Warner vehemently defended his tenure at CONCACAF which lasted over 20 years but ended when he resigned in the midst of a cash-for-votes scandal in 2011.

I left CONCACAF (in 2011) located in the prestigious Trump Tower with millions of dollars in its bank account and sub offices in Guatemala City and Port of Spain. When I assumed office in 1990, it was virtually impossible for the many teams in CONCACAF to represent the region at FIFA World Cups, since we were only allocated one team. By the time I left office, three and a half teams had the opportunity to represent the Confederation every FIFA World Cup, he said.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on April 26, 2017, 12:15:38 PM
When backed into a corner, a victim has two options: he can lie down and die, or, he can fight regardless of the odds.

― Marc Schiller, Pain and Gain - The Untold True Story
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 03, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
WATCH
Domestic TV coverage of Garcia Report release.

https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/7pmnews/fifa-releases-world-cup-report/article_096fe31c-5b9d-11e7-a507-0760464ed3e5.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on February 21, 2018, 05:16:54 AM

Jack Warner extradition on hold

http://newsday.co.tt/2018/02/19/jack-warner-extradition-on-hold/

FORMER Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has been successful in having extradition committal proceedings against him put on hold until he has an opportunity to appeal Justice James Abouds ruling, which cleared the way for the start of the magisterial proceedings.

Justice of Appeal Mark Mohammed on Monday granted the stay until Warners appeal is heard in November.

Mohammed presided over Warners application in a Chamber Court hearing.

In September, Aboud threw out Warners judicial review claim challenging his extradition to the United States, where he is wanted on charges for a series of fraud-related offences allegedly committed during his tenure as vice-president of world footballs governing body, FIFA.

In his ruling, Aboud recognised that though there were minor inconsistencies between the Extradition Treaty and Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, the treaty was not part of the domestic law.

Neither the Attorney General nor the magistrate is legally bound by any of its provisions.

Every accused person is entitled to the due-process protections in our legislation, he held.

Aboud said if a warrant of extradition was signed by the AG, it would be in accordance with domestic law, not the treaty.

The officer who grants it is a judicial authority who will apply the domestic law and not the treaty, he said.

Warner is represented by Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein and attorneys Anil Maraj and Sasha Bridgemohansingh.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sando prince on February 21, 2018, 05:17:20 AM

^^^ well boi I could have predicted this  :D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on February 21, 2018, 07:13:54 AM
This legal mafia in TT is terrifying.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 29, 2019, 01:37:38 AM
Jack Warner wants his $15m.
By Ryan Bachoo (T&T Guardian)


Former FIFA vice president, Jack Warner, is set to sue the T&T Football Association (TTFA) for $15.7 million after claiming the debt was written off at a board meeting. Speaking on the Morning Brew yesterday as part of a panel discussion on the state of football in this country, Warner told host Hema Ramkissoon, he intends to enter legal proceedings this coming week.

The litigation the TTFA is facing now is a joke to what is coming up because they sat down in a meeting and they agreed to just, out of the blue, withdraw a loan they had on their books for some 15 years for some $15 million to Jack Warner, he said.

TTFA president, David John-Williams, would neither confirm nor deny yesterday whether Warners claim was correct. He told Guardian Media Sports, The only thing I would say on that matter is that Raymond Tim Kee wrote to Mr Jack Warner in 2015 saying that the TTFA owes him $15.7 million a copy of that letter I do have and Jack Warner is suing the TTFA based on that letter. Pressed further for an answer whether Warners debt was taken off the books as he alleges, John-Williams said he would not be drawn into the controversy because there will be a time in the coming weeks where I have to put everything on the table.

The TTFA head said Tim Kees letter was based on an unaudited financial statement in 2012.

It was a revelation that came two weeks after former TTFA president, Raymond Tim Kee, said during a press conference he left a debt of $14 million when he exited office. Tim Kee backpedalled yesterday during a phone conversation with Guardian Media Sports when asked about the inconsistent debt figures that came from different sources. When asked by Guardian Media Sports if the debt he spoke off during the press conference did not include what is owed to Warner, Tim Kee said, Yes, there are certain debts that I did not include in that $14 million. That $14 million were some debts with some more or less, small people with whom I had a conversation, and we had agreed that when getting the money we were going to pay them.

The former TTFA president also said a figure in the range of $150 thousand is owed to him and was not included in the debt he presented at the press conference. He went further to advise, When you are involved in football at an executive level, dont make the mistake and spend your own money We have a tendency to put your hands in your pocket to recover when situations change but what I have found is that when you do that there are questions people ask, and the question is whether you want to go through that with all the allegations.

Tim Kee was then asked if he felt, according to his statement, when Warner gave of his personal finances, that there was a risk of him not getting it back. He responded by saying, I didnt bear any intention not to pay the debt, thats why I paid the amount I did. I paid 27 people from 48 so my philosophy is to pay the debt. However, the former TTFA president, who served between 2012 and 2015, said he opted to pay the smaller creditors because they needed it more urgently.

Warners decision to take legal action was met with immediate opposition by the Morning Brew panel of former T&T footballer Brent Sancho, and former Caledonia AIA chairman, Louis Lee Sing.

The latter said, Not because something that was not in the best interest of the game happened under his stewardship should we encourage it in the now. Times have changed. Sancho, on the other hand, remarked, Let football stop airing their dirty linen in public. Its unfortunate to hear that Mr Warner is going to continue in this vein of crushing the federation.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 29, 2019, 02:05:34 AM
Tim Kee for president is a non-starter.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on April 29, 2019, 07:28:01 AM
Tim Kee for president is a non-starter.

As in whether he could muster sufficient support or in terms of whether that would be progressive?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on April 29, 2019, 07:48:47 AM
Don't know if I'm in the minority or not but to me Tim Kee did a lot with very little and helped brought our programmes back to life. So for me I have no opposition to a return of RTK. I used to read the complaints about him wondering if people were really considering the hurdles he had to doing his job.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 30, 2019, 11:01:27 PM
Tim Kee for president is a non-starter.

As in whether he could muster sufficient support or in terms of whether that would be progressive?

Whether he could muster the support. I am not sure the majority of the members have buyer's remorse after the last election.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 11, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
Heard Jack lost extradition appeal!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: pull stones on June 12, 2019, 08:40:08 AM
Heard Jack lost extradition appeal!
he will appeal again, thats all. I seriously doubt that jack would see the inside of a jail anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 27, 2019, 11:52:09 PM
US judge awards upwards of $20m in Warners absence.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


Concacaf goes after former football boss

FORMER North American soccer confederation president Austin Jack Warner, accused of taking millions in bribes and kickbacks, was found in default, on Monday , in a US$20 million lawsuit against him by Concacaf which accused him and fellow FIFA official Chuck Blazer of making a fortune through embezzlement.

US District judge William F c**tz entered judgement against Warner, who is facing extradition to the US in a separate criminal case, on Monday. Warner never responded to the lawsuit by Concacaf after he was served with it in October 2017. c**tz granted Concacafs motion for default judgement against Warner, with no opposition, as he was unrepresented in court. The lawsuit, filed in April 2017, mirrored allegations in the US indictment that resulted in charges against several top football officials.

Concacafs case against Warner and Blazer accused the two of making a fortune through embezzlement allegations that mirror those in a sprawling US criminal investigation that has resulted in charges against several top football officials. The suit accused the pair of negotiating bribes and kickbacks in connection with lucrative broadcasting rights for tournaments including Concacafs Gold Cup championship.

There can be no doubt that Warner and Blazer victimised Concacaf, stealing and defrauding it out of tens of millions of dollars in brazen acts of corruption for their own personal benefit at the expense of the entire Concacaf region, the suit said. Both men were banned from FIFA for life.

It also sought US$20 million in compensatory damages and unspecified punitive damages. It includes the cost of the Centre of Excellence, which is also the focus of a separate claim in the local courts.

Blazer, Warners co-defendant, a former Concacaf general secretary, reached a plea agreement stemming from the criminal indictment for which Warner is facing extradition on allegations of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering.

Blazer died in July 2017, and his estate settled with Concacaf for US$20 million, but the confederation said it was unlikely to recover the money because of unpaid taxes and another US courts ruling that the estate was insolvent.

In TT, Concacaf filed yet another lawsuit against Warner, in his personal capacity and as a partner in the firm Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence; the centre itself; Renraw Investments Ltd and CCAN and Company, also in its personal capacity as partners in the centre; Warners wife Maureen; and accountant Kenny Rampersad and his company.

That lawsuit, being heard by Justice Robin Mohammed, seeks compensation for the misappropriation of funds with respect to the ownership and use of the Centre of Excellence (COE) complex in Macoya.

Concacaf is seeking to recover its assets and hearing of an application by Renraw, CCAM and Maureen Warner to have the claim against them struck out came up before Mohammed yesterday at the Hall of Justice in Port of Spain. It is the companies and Mrs Warners contention that the claim is statute-barred and cannot go forward.

Making the case for them was Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein, who argued that Concacafs claim against the three parties should be dismissed as it was generalised and lacking in particulars and direction.

Mohammed is expected to rule on the applications at a later date.

According to the TT claim, Warner and Blazer, in breach of their fiduciary duties, defrauded Concacaf of tens of millions of US dollars by engaging in self-dealing schemes to enrich themselves and the other defendants. The allegations against them also revolve around the management and use of the COE, and in particular concerns an alleged conspiracy to misappropriate over US$50 million in Concacaf money by claiming the COE belonged to Concacaf. Conflict of interest is also alleged against the group and Concacaf is seeking reimbursement for US$37.8million, in addition to unquantified sums for general and exemplary damages, an account for all profits and funds sent by Concacaf and the ownership of the land, assets and property of the COE. In the US claim heard in the Brooklyn court on Monday, Concacaf alleged Warner and Blazer accepted millions from companies in foreign governments in exchange for their votes and broadcasting rights in major tournaments, including the 2010 World Cup.

Warner has repeatedly accused Concacaf of waging a personal war against him and has labelled the allegations as spurious. In the matter before Mohammed, Concacaf is represented by attorneys Christopher Hamel-Smith,SC, Jonathan Walker, and Cherie Gopie.

Hosein, Sasha Bridgemohansingh and Anil Maraj represent Warner, Renraw, CCAM, the the COE. Rishi Dass and Marina Narinesingh represent Mrs Warner, and Stanley Marcus, Debra James and Lemuel Murphy appear for Mohammed and his company.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 28, 2019, 06:52:48 PM
So this judge is a c**tz!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 13, 2019, 12:10:19 AM
Warner slams lawsuit as an attempt to unjustly vilify him.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


A defiant Jack Warner, former FIFA vice president, says the latest salvo of litigation by the North American Soccer Confederation, of which he was president, was a deliberate and orchestrated attempt to unjustly vilify him.

In a statement yesterday, Warner responded to a US judges order for him to pay punitive damages to Concacaf.

On Tuesday, US District Judge William c**tz ordered Warner to pay US$79 million in damages in a 2017 civil action which accused him of embezzling tens of millions of dollars.

In a statement after the court awarded the sum, Concacaf said it intended to pursue all available avenues to enforce the judgment in any jurisdiction where it had reason to believe Warner had assets.

c**tzs written ruling was issued in the federal court in Brooklyn, New York, after Warner failed to contest the claim.

Concacafs lawsuit mirrored allegations in the US indictment that resulted in charges against several top football officials and its case against Warner, and a former Concacaf general secretary Chuck Blazer accused the two of making a fortune through embezzlement allegations that mirror those in a US criminal investigation that has resulted in charges against several top football officials. The suit accused the pair of negotiating bribes and kickbacks in connection with lucrative broadcasting rights for tournaments including Concacafs Gold Cup championship.

However, Warner, in his statement, said the confederations lawsuit was deliberately intended by a biased and hostile US-influence Concacaf executive to promote a narrow agenda and to place the blame for its non-performance in the last seven years, on the shoulders of the previous Concacaf executive.

He categorically denied being liable for any of the sums which form part of the default judgments against him, adding and there is absolutely no account that he received these moneys.

The statement said Concacaf did receive money, though not in the amounts stated in the US default judgments.

These moneys received by Concacaf and the expenditure spans a period of over 21 years. These moneys were spent throughout the Concacaf region consisting of some 36 separate countries. They were used to build facilities, finance the Gold Cup in the Concacaf region, the World Cup finals, the World Cup payoffs, youth tournaments and womens football among the various countries of Concacaf, and to finance the operations of the Concacaf secretariat and administration in all 36 countries, as well as to meet recurrent expenditure, the five-page statement said.

The statement also pointed out that the US extradition proceedings which he is currently fighting and the civil lawsuits in the US courts were initiated after the US and Britain lost their bids to host the 2022 World Cup, given instead to Qatar and Russia.

This was part of the continued efforts of FIFA to diversify and strengthen the participation in football on the African continent and also to give Russia an opportunity to participate. Jack Warner, therefore, cannot be liable for all the moneys spent on Concacaf.

The statement further said the distribution of television rights was a policy adopted by FIFA for regional bodies to have a source of income that would help them meet their recurring capital expenditure.

No other regional body has been pursued in the way Concacaf has pursued Jack Warner. No other regional body has pursued its previous executives the way Concacaf has pursued Jack Warner relative to income from television rights or about allegations of fraud, the statement added.

The statement also said Warner was unable to participate in any of the proceedings in the US federal courts and he was unaware of the matters being adjudicated.

None of these judgments relates to any alleged activity in which Mr Warner participated in the US.

Concacaf has chosen a court in the US to file these proceedings knowing fully well that Mr Warner is now engaged in extradition proceedings here in TT and therefore would not be in a position to attend to these matters in the US, the statement added.

In its 2017 civil lawsuits, Concacaf said, There can be no doubt that Warner and Blazer victimised Concacaf, stealing and defrauding it out of tens of millions of dollars in brazen acts of corruption for their own personal benefit at the expense of the entire Concacaf region. Both men were banned from FIFA for life.

It accused the men of of negotiating bribes and kickbacks in connection with lucrative broadcasting rights for tournaments including the confederations Gold Cup championship. Allegations in the suit also mirrored criminal charges saying that Warner, while he and Blazer were members of FIFAs executive committee, took a $10 million payment to influence voting on which country should host the World Cup.

Warner agreed to provide Blazer with $1 million of the $10 million bribe, according to the suit.

Unsurprisingly, when the FIFA Executive Committee vote was held on May 15, 2004, South Africa was selected over Morocco to host the 2010 World Cup. Warner and Blazer both voted for South Africa.

The civil claim also sought US$20 million in compensatory damages and unspecified punitive damages, which included the cost of the Centre of Excellence, which is also the focus of a separate claim in the local courts.

Blazer reached a plea agreement stemming from the criminal indictment for which Warner is facing extradition on allegations of racketeering, wire fraud and money laundering, allegedly committed in the US and TT, dating as far back as 1990. Warner, currently on $2.5 million bail

Blazers estate agreed earlier this year to pay $20 million in damages in the civil case. Blazer died in July 2017, and his estate settled with Concacaf for US$20 million, but the confederation said it was unlikely to recover the money because of unpaid taxes and another US courts ruling that the estate was insolvent.

Warners sons, Daryll and Daryan, pleaded guilty to fraud charges in the criminal case in 2013 as part of a cooperation deal. Theyre both out on bail with travel restrictions within the US and are awaiting sentencing.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 14, 2019, 06:57:38 AM
Warner slams lawsuit as an attempt to unjustly vilify him.



 :violin: :violin:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on July 31, 2019, 12:13:53 AM
Warner sues TTFA for $15.7m.
By Derek Achong (Guardian).


Former Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has sued the T&T Football Association (TTFA) over almost $16 million in loans he claims he provided to the organisation while at its helm.

In the lawsuit, filed in the Port-of-Spain High Court on Monday, Warner is alleging the TTFA failed to repay the loans despite acknowledging them several times in the past.

According to his court filings, which were obtained by Guardian Media Sports, Warner claims he provided the loans, totalling $15,761,003, over 15 years. The money was allegedly used to cover the association's expenses, including the successful 2006 World Cup qualification campaign.

Warner claimed the TTFA never disputed its debt to him, as it was reflected in its financial statements between 2007 and 2012. He included correspondence from former TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee, who wrote to him to acknowledge the debt and assured him it would be cleared after the association's financial position improved.

While Warner claimed he attempted to get Tim Kee to commit to a payment plan in 2015, no assurances were given. However, the debt was eventually written off in the association's 2015 financial statements, as it was claimed the debt was statute-barred and it had no obligation to pay.

"These accounts were published after the date of both letters from president Raymond Tim Kee, who had on two separate occasions acknowledged the debt to the claimant...At no time did the claimant inform the defendant that they were no longer under an obligation to repay the debt," Warner's documents stated.

Through the lawsuit, Warner is seeking repayment of the money advanced, plus interest calculated using a prime commercial lending rate.

In the event Warner eventually succeeds in his lawsuit it would put the association in an even more precarious financial position, as over the past few years it has been swamped by legal disputes from national players and former technical staff.

Warner is no stranger to the courts, as he is currently fighting his extradition to the United States to face charges arising out of a US Department of Justice investigation into corruption in FIFA.

Last month, US District Court Judge William c**tz entered a default judgement against Warner in a US$20 million embezzlement case which CONCACAF brought against him and former executive Chuck Blazer. c**tz's decision was based on the fact that Warner had failed to register an appearance in the case through an attorney.

CONCACAF has also brought a US$37.8 million lawsuit against Warner, his wife, accountant and two companies over ownership of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence in Macoya. In that case, CONCACAF is alleging that despite providing the funds for the project, the facility remained under one of Warner's companies.

The case is still being heard by High Court Judge Robin Mohammed, who is currently mulling over an application to have Warner's wife and the companies removed from the case before it goes to trial.

Warner is being represented by Rekha Ramjit and Alvin Pariagsingh.

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Jack sues TTFA for $15m.
By Jada Loutoo (Newsday).


Already saddled with mounting debts from lawsuits and outstanding payments, the TT Football Association is facing another legal battle in court.

Calling for repayment of a $15 million loan is the associations former adviser and former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.

Warners attorneys on Monday filed the claim against the TTFA in the Port of Spain High Court for debt recovery and breach of contract.

Warner wants repayment of $15, 761,003, or alternatively damages, for breach of contract with interest at the prime commercial lending rate.

Representing Warner, who is also a former CONCACAF president, are attorneys Rekha Ramjit and Alvin Pariagsingh.

According to the claim, over a period of approximately 15 years, Warner made loans to the TTFA to fund activities for members, in expressed and implied terms that they would be repaid in a reasonable time.

The claim said indebtedness to Warner was never disputed and was reflected in the TTFAs financial statements for the years 2007 to 2012.

On March 10, 2015, Warner wrote to the TTFA asking for a statement outlining the associations indebtedness to him. By letter, on March 21, 2015, then TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee wrote to Warner, acknowledging the $15 million debt, but said the association was at the time not in a financial position to settle in part or in whole.

A pledge was given to repay Warner when the TTFAs financial position improved. According to Warners claim, the acknowledgment was unequivocal and unconditional. Warner said he was also asked to consider a reduced settlement amount.

The lawsuit says Warner continued to contact Tim Kee, pressing for a confirmed date of payment, rather than a loose and open-ended commitment of when the TTFAs financial position changed or would change.

Warner continued to hold discussions with the TTFA by telephone and Tim Kee again wrote to Warner on October 30, 2015, acknowledging the debt as well as other debts to companies of which Warner is a shareholder or director.

The debt recovery claim said between then and June 2017, Warner made several oral requests for the TTFA to give a firm commitment to a date by which the debt would be settled, in whole or in part.

No commitment was forthcoming, it said.

A pre-action protocol letter was sent on June 6, 2017, calling on the TTFA to pay the entire $15 million or make satisfactory arrangements to pay. After an extension was sought, and given, to reply on June 23, 2017, the TTFA asked Warner to disclose copies of all documentation he had on the loans. Warners attorneys wrote back telling the TTFA its response was laughable at best, but referred to a confirmation of the debt owed.

Warners attorneys also warned that should the matter go to trial, he would contended the TTFA was acting in bad faith.

The lawsuit also said the debt was even acknowledged in the TTFAs published audited financial statements for 2014, but was withdrawn from the accounts of 2015, and explained as a write back of a significant amount due to a related party during the year that was either statute-barred or for which the association had no obligation to pay.

However, Warners claim insists that at no time was he told that the debt was being taken off the books and pointed out that Tim Kee twice acknowledged the debt. The claim also says at no time did the TTFA tell him it was no longer under an obligation to repay him.

The lawsuit also said the TTFAs financial statements confirmed it was a going concern and, according to the claim, the assumption of its being a going concern was maintained on the basis of the commitment of FIFA and the Government to provide, as necessary, financial and managerial support to the association.

Warner claims because of the TTFA's failure to repay the debt, he has suffered loss and damage.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on July 31, 2019, 02:39:10 PM
Jack have to be getting senile in his old age. he just opening ah can of worms dey. What about de money de Scottish FA pay him for de TTFA dat dey never receive for a game against Scotland before de '06 World Cup? what about de money de Australian FA pay him on behave of the TTFA for a school for Toco dat was never built? It have plenty plenty more, including de Center of Excellence, selling out de TTFA TV rights, over selling tickets for de '89 game etc etc.
De bottom line is Jack received monies from all over on behalf of the TTFA and dey never got de money.
 Jack finally gone.           
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 25, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
Warner extradition appeal headed to UK Privy Council
SportsMax


Former CONCACAF and FIFA vice president Jack Warner is set to take his appeal against extradition to the Privy Council after being granted leave to do.

Warner, the disgraced football official, has been battling to avoid extradition to the United States since 2015.  The ex-football official faces charges of corruption in relation to his time with world footballs governing body.     

Earlier this year, Warner failed to have the extradition appeal dismissed on procedural grounds after a three judges Court of Appeal upheld the original decision to dismiss his judicial review lawsuit, which was made in September 2017.

On Monday, however, three justices set out times frames for the procedural steps that will need to be taken if Warner is to file an appeal.  The terms included paying a fee and settling the record, before final leave can be granted for him to take his case to the court in London.  The extradition proceedings have also been halted in the magistrate's court, pending the hearing and determination of the appeal to the privy council.

Warner is challenging the process by which the extradition proceedings against him are being carried out and seeks to quash the authority to proceed (ATP) which was signed in 2016 by Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi.


Warner to fight extradition at Privy Council
Newsday


FORMER government minister Jack Warner has received conditional leave to take his challenge of the extradition proceedings against him to the Privy Council.

At a conditional leave hearing at the Court of Appeal on Monday, Justices Nolan Bereaux, Judith Jones and Charmaine Pemberton set out reduced time-frames for the procedural steps to be taken by Warner. These include paying a fee and settling the record, before final leave can be granted for him to take his case to the court in London.

They also granted a conditional stay of the committal proceedings in the magistrates court until the hearing and determination of the appeal in the Privy Council. In arguing for conditional leave and the stay of the proceedings, Warners attorney Fyard Hosein SC, contended that the State has indicated his client had a valid appeal. He also submitted that this countrys extradition treaty with the US was inconsistent with the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act.

Attorney for the State, Douglas Mendes, SC, agreed to the stay but urged Warners legal team to seek an expedited hearing of the appeal at the Privy Council since, according to him, the case could impact all extraditions to the US. He said the issue needed to be pronounced on since, if Warners arguments were correct, then no one could be extradited until the flaw was corrected.

Warner is challenging the process by which the extradition proceedings against him are being carried out and seeks to quash the authority to proceed (ATP) which was signed in 2016 by Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi. The ATP gave the magistrate the green light to begin committal proceedings. Warner also challenged the legality of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, and the treaty signed between this country and the US.

In June, the Court of Appeal dismissed his judicial review claim, but stayed the proceedings before Chief Magistrate Maria Busby-Earle Caddle so that Warner could seek permission to argue his case at the Privy Council.

In their ruling, Justices of Appeal Gregory Smith, Prakash Moosai and Andre des Vignes said the extradition treaty had not been shown to lack conformity with the act and there was no merit in Warners case that the US order, which declared that country as a declared foreign territory, was not valid.

Therefore, the pending extradition proceedings in respect of the appellant before the magistrate are valid, the judges held, adding that there was no denial of justice in the issuance of the ATP by the Attorney General.

Warner is wanted in the US for a series of fraud-related offences allegedly committed during his tenure as vice-president of world footballs governing body FIFA.

He surrendered himself to fraud squad officers on May 27, 2015, after learning of the provisional warrant.

He is on $2.5 million bail.

Also appearing for the AG are Michael Quamina and Sean Julien while attorneys Rishi Dass, Sasha Bridgemohansingh, Anil Maraj and Nyree Alphonso also represent Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 25, 2019, 05:33:54 PM
For a so-called republic. We still allow this bullshit legalese to surface every time a matter of importance needs to be determined. We are still a de facto Brit colony. Tell me I talking bull.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: frico on September 26, 2019, 04:51:11 AM
For a so-called republic. We still allow this bullshit legalese to surface every time a matter of importance needs to be determined. We are still a de facto Brit colony. Tell me I talking bull.
I have to be the first to say ,you are not talking bull,and I understand clearly your words"so called Republic".On another story,I read on a cricket site,a poster called Trinidad and Tobago a "Banana Republic".I was mad to read what he said and,replied with some epithets of a Caribbean flavour,come to think about it,he was correct and I honestly think TT is heading to failure at everything. :(
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 26, 2019, 06:42:59 AM
For a so-called republic. We still allow this bullshit legalese to surface every time a matter of importance needs to be determined. We are still a de facto Brit colony. Tell me I talking bull.
I have to be the first to say ,you are not talking bull,and I understand clearly your words"so called Republic".On another story,I read on a cricket site,a poster called Trinidad and Tobago a "Banana Republic".I was mad to read what he said and,replied with some epithets of a Caribbean flavour,come to think about it,he was correct and I honestly think TT is heading to failure at everything. :(

We will get thru this somehow or the other. 1970, 1990 and now the current situation. It is painful, but others have seen worse than us. But this reference to the privy council drives me  friggin crazy. When Eric and his followers were designing this so called republic, they really did not think this through. Tell me what the other non-republic but independent countries can't do. They can do almost everything TT can do as a republic.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 26, 2019, 08:56:56 AM
And to your point, Deeks ... 'We' are also seriously considering the extradition in preference to any domestic prosecution.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 19, 2019, 05:21:43 PM
Jack Warner: Home of Football is a football museum (https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/7pmnews/fifa-president-speaks-about-jack-warner/article_4d16d4f4-0a6e-11ea-99c5-e3c6631af0bc.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: pull stones on November 19, 2019, 09:05:10 PM
Jack Warner: Home of Football is a football museum (https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/7pmnews/fifa-president-speaks-about-jack-warner/article_4d16d4f4-0a6e-11ea-99c5-e3c6631af0bc.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social).
that thieving bastard have no shame, he should have kept his mouth shut tight. thats something that  his worthless ass should have done 30 years ago but it took a man 20 years his junior to get it done. DJW may not have been the best choice for president of the federation but this is one thing no one could take away from him, he would go down in history for this, kudos to him for this wonderful facility.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 20, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
T&T Football facing the exit door
Opinion Editorial, Sunshine Today


We are in trouble and regardless from which angle we view our football, it seems that there is no way out of the morass in which we have found ourselves.

No one would believe that this is a country which played at five versions of FIFA World Cups; the trip to Germany in 2006 being the most memorable one of them all.

No one remembers anymore that the Mens U 20 team qualified to play in the 2009 FIFA U 20 Mens World Cup in Egypt and Portugal before that and displayed the red, white and black for the global village to see. Trinidad & Tobago has hosted two FIFA World Cups U17 Boys and U 17 Girls. Our national teams have participated in FIFA competitions all over the world with a certain amount of respect and class.

There was a time when our coaches and referees were the best in the Caribbean and they represented our country at the highest levels of world and regional football. At the administrative level, our Match Commissioners were the best in CONCACAF and everyone was proud to relate to our football in some way. Sponsors both at home and abroad were competing for the sponsorship of our national teams and the live broadcast of matches became the fiercest competition of all. But not today! Ent, we have a House of Football to replace all of that?

When one thinks of our football, the pride that used to swell our hearts to watch our Soca Warriors do battle against the best on the field is no more and one is beginning to wonder whether the dream of playing at the highest level has been lost. And, if so, what do we need to do to recapture those glory days.

Ignominious failure

The way the national team is playing today is erasing the memory of 1965 when Trinidad & Tobago defeated Argentina in a Pan American game and if one were to map where Argentina has gone since then to where we are, a shout would emerge calling on the powers that be to shake the current crop of leaders in football and to banish them far from our football for life.

All that we have tried since the days of Ollie Camps and Richard Groden among others have been an ignominious failure.

The young residue of that period learned nothing except the in-fighting and the greed for power and the failure to have their own way, seem to be crippling the already challenged leadership in what used to be even for us the beautiful game.

And so, the question that one must always ask is what do we do with a football administration that lacks the creativity to manage its expenses, pay its bills and attract quality players to give us a place in the global village on the world stage?

The question we are forced to ask is what should we do with an administration that is overseeing in 2019, the worst Trinidad and Tobago national team in the post-colonial history of our country.

For 21 consecutive games, we failed to win an International match and this is not because we were playing against teams like Brazil, England or Germany. In some cases, we played teams that were lower ranked than Trinidad & Tobago and yet failed to secure victories.

When are we going to recognize that this present football administration lacks the intelligence to chart a way forward for our team that on more than one occasion brought this country together in a way politicians have ignominiously failed?

John-Williams has become famous for lying repeatedly to the stakeholders in football. It has become a habit with him. No good leader should practise this kind of deception.

Sad state of affairs T&T Football

The state of football in Trinidad & Tobago today is sad and this is not just with the senior team, but with our junior teams and our female teams which at least under this new dispensation used to win. But now they have learned the art of losing and practising it to perfection and this raises questions about our ability as a nation to play this beautiful game.

The question we have to ask is what went wrong and hope that in the answer we find a clue to fix our problem.

What is even more disappointing is the fact that the Football President David John-Williams sees as one of his greatest achievements, the construction of a House of Football, when the game is at its lowest peak in our country.

He has opened it conveniently mere days before the elections for his candidacy and with a phalanx of international football officials who have conspired to keep every Caribbean country out of the upcoming FIFA World Cup. England can play Montenegro in a FIFA Qualifying World Cup match and Portugal can play against Lithuania but the USA and Canada, the countries of the two senior CONCACAF officials who conspired to deny Trinidad & Tobago an even chance of qualifying will not play against Trinidad & Tobago. And John-Williams sees nothing wrong with this and says nothing!

He believes that a House of Football can get Trinidad & Tobago into a FIFA World Cup Final! Poor David does not understand that the proof of the pudding is in the eating; how your players perform on the field of play and not how expensive a House of Football that has been built. In reality what he is really proposing with his House of Football is a museum to remind the nation of the good old days, a place where they could enter to reminisce on the recent past, when stadia used to be filled with supporters chanting while the Strike Squad, as it was then called, was ruffling the feathers of other so-called giants.

What does John-Williams hope will change as he builds for this dying sport, a home over which more in-fighting will become the order of the day?

We are putting the cart before the horse

I have no problem with a House for Football but once again we are putting the cart before the horse because what John-Williams should be addressing, what his administration should be discussing with the connoisseurs of football is a way forward, some kind of strategic plan to lift this country out of the bottomless pit football has found itself.

Probably, Mr. John-Williams does not know that Trinidad & Tobago is currently positioned at Number 101 in the FIFA Rankings and we are now keeping company with unknown teams like Palestine and Estonia.

Probably the President David John-Williams is totally unaware of the fact that under him Trinidad and Tobago have tumbled 47 places down and under his current head coach we have collapsed by 17 places which offer no hope for the future for football.

Based on the current system, we cannot even hope for automatic qualification to be able to stake a claim for the Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup because to do so we must be ranked within the top six in CONCACAF and the last time I checked, the Soca Warriors were sadly placed at number 11.

The national team has until June 2020 to put its house in order, not the House that the President John-Williams has built but their state of football, their talent and their game if they hope to qualify.

Sadly, because our administrators have lost their vision, our players are brutally affected since some Premier Leagues across the world are not even considering recruiting members from nation-states that are below Number 70 in the FIFA Ranking.
Our players were never faced with that kind of problem before, so if Dwight Yorke were in the prime of his career now, he would have never been gifted with the opportunity to play for Manchester United in the Premier League because England happens to be one of the countries where this rule applies.

Trinidad & Tobagos next International match

Now I try to understand what the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association is doing.

They are trying to play teams to improve their ranking within the FIFA, but to play a team like Anguilla where they scored 15 goals is not the way to go because Anguilla is woefully placed in the ranking at 209, 108 places lower than Trinidad and Tobago. Many are facetiously asking if this countrys next match will be against Five Islands! One never knows!

Since Honduras has just embarassed us 4-0 our 22nd consecutive defeat!

The USA womens football team would have even been more brutal than we were on Anguilla because clearly, they demonstrate more field of play intelligence than the men who represent us do.

Sigh!!!!

I will be the last one to argue against a House for Football, but President David John-Williams needs to tell us how this House will improve our FIFA ranking, how it will provide opportunities for us to qualify for another World Cup and most importantly how it will gift our players with the chance to run against their idols if we cannot raise our FIFA ranking above 70.

This is the worst period in our football and the country will remember David John-Williams for the abject failure he has become. It will take some shine away from Dennis Lawrence because I hope that we never forget that decisive header in Bahrain that took us to the FIFA Mens World in Germany in 2006.

And since the TTFA President has chosen to build his House of Football at this time, the players will never forget that at a time when they needed the Football administrators to stand and deliver a strategic plan to get them out of this current mess, all that President John-Williams has focused on was a comfortable home for the administrators which is of no value to a footballing nation that Trinidad and Tobago has become.

Our football deserves better and what this country needs now is a development plan, a world-class coach and administrators who can teach our players how to win again. In a word, Trinidad & Tobagos football needs a new administration.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 20, 2019, 05:47:50 PM
The way the national team is playing today is erasing the memory of 1965 when Trinidad & Tobago defeated Argentina in a Pan American game

Not trying to be petty, the PanAm games was 1967. Although I had to swallow meh saliva to admit I agree with some of what he says, it is still a case of the "pot and kettle arguing who black". Even though he wrote this long diatribe he is probably admiring the the way DJW is using pages out of his own(JW's) play book. Just before election bring a lot of disgruntled sides to pad votes. Away with you Jack. I am putting it mildly!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 20, 2019, 07:24:27 PM
The way the national team is playing today is erasing the memory of 1965 when Trinidad & Tobago defeated Argentina in a Pan American game

Not trying to be petty, the PanAm games was 1967. Although I had to swallow meh saliva to admit I agree with some of what he says, it is still a case of the "pot and kettle arguing who black". Even though he wrote this long diatribe he is probably admiring the the way DJW is using pages out of his own(JW's) play book. Just before election bring a lot of disgruntled sides to pad votes. Away with you Jack. I am putting it mildly!

His count of the matches won and lost is also off, but the thrust of his assertions with respect to the team's record are correct.

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Since Honduras has just embarassed us 4-0 our 22nd consecutive defeat!

For instance, this isn't accurate.

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For 21 consecutive games, we failed to win an International match and this is not because we were playing against teams like Brazil, England or Germany. In some cases, we played teams that were lower ranked than Trinidad & Tobago and yet failed to secure victories.

Or this part in bold.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 27, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
Jack Warner talks to Andre Errol Baptiste (https://www.facebook.com/DFearlessOne/videos/477301786319111/) about the Home of Football, William Wallace, David John-Williams, Keith Look Loy, Secondary Schools Football, Quality of footballers, FIFA, Concacaf, President of FIFA Gianni Infantino, Caribbean Football Union, Peoples National Movement, United National Congress, and the future of Trinidad and Tobago football.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 27, 2019, 06:57:04 PM
Lol As much as Jack is a corrupt individual he is right...Anguilla should have been a task for Green machine or El Dorado. Even Trinity could beat Anguilla
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: pull stones on November 27, 2019, 07:38:31 PM
Satan correcting sin.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: pull stones on November 27, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
I think jack showed a little too much of his hand there. it almost seem that this it was more of a trap.....bait...andre fishing for info to place jack as one whos meddling with this new association affairs, Jack best be careful with this DJW apologist. and no jack dennis lawrence dont need help, he needs to go hes toxic in every sense of the word and the last game is testament that the dressing room has lost confidence in him, its like dennis dont have no shame if he insist on staying.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 27, 2019, 07:58:24 PM
I think jack showed a little too much of his hand there. it almost seem that this it was more of a trap.....bait...andre fishing for info to place jack as one whos meddling with this new association affairs, Jack bestie careful with this DJW apologist. and no jack dennis lawrence dont need help, he needs to go hes toxic in every sense of the word and the last game is testament that the dressing room has lost confidence in him, its like dennis dont have no shame if he insist on staying.

Yuh see it. Precisely my initial impression and I haven't listened to the interview in its entirety yet.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 27, 2019, 11:38:22 PM
I think jack showed a little too much of his hand there. it almost seem that this it was more of a trap.....bait...andre fishing for info to place jack as one whos meddling with this new association affairs, Jack bestie careful with this DJW apologist. and no jack dennis lawrence dont need help, he needs to go hes toxic in every sense of the word and the last game is testament that the dressing room has lost confidence in him, its like dennis dont have no shame if he insist on staying.

Nah that wasnt  ah hang jack but the loud one tried... he poked but jw cant be touched for giving his advice and opinion... hes not running the fed, hes giving his opinion..

The best part of that interview was if they (fifa and concacaf) spite TT FOOTBALL they will be gone in 4 years..

Something I have always spoken about, we have the swing vote and we are second to Africa... unity means we take back control of concacaf

Wallace aint going nowhere .... if I was in Wallace position , I would sit with jack as well and learn everything about how fifa runs and inside out about the internal politics.. jack is a gold mine of info, so why not use that info to improve football in TT?

I disagree with keeping Lawrence, that was BS... Lawrence needs to leave
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 27, 2019, 11:47:55 PM
 ???
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 28, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
In Andre's interview with AJW, Lasana reports Jack as stating:

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I want to see now how we would put into practice what he has been told.

I listened to the interview and thought I heard "he" instead of "we". Certainly I think Andre would have been all over "we".

What did you hear?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: pull stones on November 28, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
In Andre's interview with AJW, Lasana reports Jack as stating:

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I want to see now how we would put into practice what he has been told.

I listened to the interview and thought I heard "he" instead of "we". Certainly I think Andre would have been all over "we".

What did you hear?
i heard a desperate fan boy trying his best to throw sand in the peleau. I used to take this imp seriously especially when he went in on Dave cameron for his failure with West Indies cricket, but here we have a federation president whos performance was on par with mr cameron yet andre not only supports him, he also facilitate him and in despite of him being ousted he continues to working along side him to derail this new administration.

As for what I heard with jack and wallace, I heard a president who went to an old veteran in the business for advise, I think andre is reading way too much into this just like most trinis do.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 29, 2019, 12:28:15 AM
In Andre's interview with AJW, Lasana reports Jack as stating:

Quote
I want to see now how we would put into practice what he has been told.

I listened to the interview and thought I heard "he" instead of "we". Certainly I think Andre would have been all over "we".

What did you hear?
i heard a desperate fan boy trying his best to throw sand in the peleau. I used to take this imp seriously especially when he went in on Dave cameron for his failure with West Indies cricket, but here we have a federation president whos performance was on par with mr cameron yet andre not only supports him, he also facilitate him and in despite of him being ousted he continues to working along side him to derail this new administration.

As for what I heard with jack and wallace, I heard a president who went to an old veteran in the business for advise, I think andre is reading way too much into this just like most trinis do.

If that was an attempt to sanitize JW due the failure of DJW, it was a failure, as far as I am concern. The deep latrine hole that the TTFA is attempting to exit, was dug and casted by the so called special adviser. So I would advise WW(lots of Ws in TT football) to stay away from JW. Do not make any verbal agreement or sign anything with him.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 29, 2019, 12:06:19 PM
Him swearing retribution on anyone who wont cooperate with Wallace kinda lets you know hes invested to some kinda degree.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 29, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
Him swearing retribution on anyone who wont cooperate with Wallace kinda lets you know hes invested to some kinda degree.

No it shows how powerful TT is and the region...

It also shows that the dictator was complicit in our sabotage and had support, Wallace not being a puppet puts him at risk of being targeted and that is what Warner spoke about if it happens
Title: TTFA audit first was best move: Warner
Post by: Tallman on November 29, 2019, 01:45:09 PM
TTFA audit first was best move: Warner
T&T Guardian


Former FIFA vice-president Austin Jack Warner, who has been involved in football in many areas locally and internationally and who is widely accredited with ensuring that Trinidad and Tobago was able to qualify for its first and only World Cup in 2006, says he agrees with newly-elected TTFA president William Wallace's decision to do an audit before undertaking any major activities.

The reasons given for that, was to do an audit of the football house and to make sure that nothing is lost in the transition and that the closure is temporary, if those are the reasons I have no problem with that the house of football must never be treated like the Couvas Children hospital, Warner said during an interview onI95FM on Tuesday night.

Asked if he felt closing the Home of Football in Couva less than a week after it was officially opened was a good idea, Warner said, Well I do not think that Mr (William) Wallace is that silly to adopt that position. What I think he has to do and he has said that publicly is to do an audit at all levels, he has to know what the TTFA has, who they owe, he has to know what are their assets and what are their liabilities and therefore if the closure of the House of Football is temporary, then so be it.

Wallace was elected as president at Sunday's TTFA AGM, replacing incumbent David John Williams by a vote of 26-20.

Asked if he was surprised by Wallaces success, Warner said, On the contrary, I am not surprised. I am surprised that Wallace did not get more votes, because I think that what John-Williams misunderstood and he and his FIFA and CONCACAF colleagues and even the Prime Minister what they misunderstood is that football is on the field of play, people want to see results, they want to see successes, sponsors want to come in and you could build a House of Football four times in one year, that does not equate to success on the field of play, he said.

I feel that anyone but Williams who is passionate about the sport can do well and will do well, and Wallace is well gifted with the talents to do well. He is Secondary Schools Football president, he is acting principal of a school, he knows about young people and what they want but most importantly, he is one who has a vision of where he wants to carry the sportand I think one lesson which has to be learnt by Wallace and for me the most important one, is that anyone can build a House of Football, but it takes a true leader to build a home and he has now to build a home."

Warner admitted that he had been upset that T&T's football had been allowed to degenerate to the point where they now sit at 104th on the FIFA rankings. He also said he was unhappy that Caribbean Football Union members allowed CONCACAF to change the World Cup qualifying format to the detriment of the smaller countries.

I am biased against those who sit quietly by and allow CONCACAF to kill World Cup football qualification by having an elitist format I am against those things and more," he said.

Time will tell, I am not going to make any pre-judgment on Keith Look Loy and how he operates or Anthony Harford or anybody else. Time will tell, I know guys who were one way before an election, even in politics and once they get into position, they are different, positively or negatively, so let us wait and see and not make any pre-judgment. All stakeholders should be called and out of that get a manual a blueprint for the future."

Asked if he was ever approached by John-Williams, Warner said, In four years, not once, I want to repeat that, in four years David John-Williams never asked me once for an idea on anything in football, because he had all the answers. That is why he is where he is today.

However, Warner claimed Wallace visited him several times and as late as a month on the vision for football.

"We spoke at length and he was a good listener. I want to see now how he will put into practice what he has been told."

He added, There is no quick fix in football, you cannot have a Nescafe mentality, you have to build from the ground up."

Warner also believes coach Dennis Lawrence should remain in the job, but said an overseas coach should be brought in to work with him. However, he said he was also concerned that CONCACAF was no longer developing regional coach and officials.

Responding to a recent article which suggested he (Warner) is advising Wallace's TTFA United team, Warner stated, "I am dismissive of that and I am saying if even that was the case, and it means, and by the way, that is not the case, and it means that is the beginning of the way to lift football in the country so be it. Whats wrong with that? I have been in football for 30 years at the international level and I still believe that anybody who wants to ask me something in football, I must answer them and advise them, if they come to me yes, if not so be it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on January 21, 2020, 05:06:26 PM
Warner to challenge the extradition proceedings against him.
TTT Live Online


Ex-FIFA Vice President Jack Warner has received final leave, to take his challenge of the extradition proceedings against him, to the Privy Council.

At a leave hearing at the Court of Appeal on Monday, Justices Nolan Bereaux, Gregory Smith and Andre des Vignes granted the former government minister permission, to take his challenge to the final appellate court in London.

Mr. Warner is challenging the process by which the extradition proceedings against him are being carried out and seeks to quash the Authority to Proceed (ATP) which was signed in 2016 by Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi.

Mr. Warner also challenged the legality of the Extradition Commonwealth and Foreign Territories Act, and the treaty signed between this country and the United States.

Mr. Warner is wanted in the US for a series of fraud-related offences allegedly committed during his tenure as vice-president of world football's governing body FIFA.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on March 22, 2020, 09:06:13 AM
WATCH: Former FIFA Vice President Jack Warner talks football, Trinidad and Tobago politics and the 2020 general elections

https://www.youtube.com/v/GvXtmbpB_4s
Title: Warner rubbishes bribery claims
Post by: Tallman on April 07, 2020, 01:58:17 PM
Warner rubbishes bribery claims
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)


FORMER FIFA vice-president Jack Austin Warner has expressed no comment to claims in an Associated Press report last evening that he received US$5 million in bribes for votes for Qatar to be awarded host nation for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

According to the report, prosecutors revealed new details of alleged bribes paid to FIFA executive committee members to gain their votes for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup and charged a pair of former 21st Century Fox executives with making illegal payments to win broadcast rights for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments.

An indictment unsealed Monday in US District Court in Brooklyn says Nicols Leoz, then president of the South American governing body CONMEBOL, and former Brazil federation president Ricardo Teixeira received bribes to vote for Qatar at the 2010 FIFA executive committee meeting.

Jack Warner of T&T, president of the North and Central American and Caribbean governing body Concacaf, received US$5 million in bribes to vote for Russia to host in 2018 from 10 different shell companies that included entities in Anguilla, Cyprus and the British Virgin Islands, the indictment alleged. Guatemala federation president Rafael Salguero was promised a US$1 million bribe to vote for Russia, according to the indictment.

When contacted on Monday evening, Warner mentioned, You really want me to answer that stupidness? I have no comment to make on that. That is still news?

Asked if he wished to refute or deny the allegations, Warner replied, If allyuh want to be messengers for the US, go ahead. I have no problem with that.

Will he be prepared to fight this battle legally? Im not interested in that, he responded. If the US people tell you to go ahead with that, go ahead nah.

According to the AP report, Leoz, who died last August, avoided extradition, as have Warner and Teixeira. Salguero pleaded guilty in 2018 to two counts of wire fraud conspiracy and one count each of racketeering conspiracy and money laundering conspiracy.

Alejandro Burzaco, former head of the marketing company Torneos y Competencias, testified in 2017 that all three South Americans on the FIFA executive committee took million-dollar bribes to support Qatar, which prevailed over the US 14-8.

ESPN had US English-language television rights to the World Cup from 1994-2014, but Fox in 2011 gained the rights for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments. After the 2022 tournament in Qatar was shifted from summer to late autumn, a time when it is likely to get less attention in the US, FIFA awarded Fox rights for 2026 without competitive bidding.022 tournament in Qatar was shifted from summer to late autumn, a time when it is likely to get less attention in the US, FIFA awarded Fox rights for 2026 without competitive bidding.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 07, 2020, 06:08:32 PM
we paying for your f--king sins!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 08, 2020, 07:21:00 AM
US DOJ: World Cup payments sent to T&T via transactions.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)


THE US Department of Justice (DOJ) is claiming that alleged bribery payments for successful FIFA World Cup bids (2018 in Russia and 2022 in Qatar) arrived in TT via "densely layered transactions between and among offshore accounts," including in Cyprus and the British Virgin Islands.

Some money was wired using accounts that also paid "companies based in the United States that performed work on behalf of the 2018 Russia World Cup bid, the DOJ said.

In an Associated Press report today, the indictment, which was unsealed late Monday, said former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner received US$5 million in bribes to vote for Russia from 10 different offshore shell companies, which used correspondent accounts in the US.

Warner was first indicted in 2015 on financial corruption charges that included a separate US$10 million bribe from 2010 World Cup host South Africa. He was an influential FIFA vice president at the time of Russias victory against three rival European bids.

Two emails were cited in the indictment as new evidence in the sprawling investigation that first rocked FIFA and international soccer officials in May 2015.

One was written by co-conspirator 3 in April 2011 and allegedly was sent to Warners assistant with advice on writing to accept receiving the 5m total payments minus minimal bank charges.

The identity of No. 3 has not been made public, but the person has been described as a close advisor to then-FIFA president Sepp Blatter and other high-ranking FIFA officials.

The other email, also to Warners assistant, was written ahead of the FIFA vote by an associate of co-conspirator 3.

Warner has been fighting extradition to face racketeering conspiracy charges in the US since 2015, the same year FIFA banned him for life.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on April 25, 2020, 09:12:00 AM
Ex-FIFA chief Jack Warner in UK court appeal against corruption charges
By Bryan Swanson, Chief Reporter, Sky Sports News


Former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner will take his fight against corruption charges in the United States to the highest overseas court in London.

Warner, who lives in Trinidad and Tobago, is fighting extradition to the US and denies accepting millions of dollars in bribes.

US prosecutors allege he has been involved in criminal corrupt practices for more than two decades.

The Supreme Court confirmed to Sky Sports News on Friday that Warner has now been issued an 'appeal as of right' following permission in a lower court.

Warner's case will be heard by the Privy Council and is the court of final appeal for Commonwealth countries, including Trinidad and Tobago, that have retained the right to appeal to the UK Judicial Committee.

A court date has yet to be set.

Earlier this month, the US Department of Justice claimed that Warner "was promised and received bribe payments totalling $5m" - now the equivalent of 4.3m - in exchange for a vote "in favour of Russia to host the 2018 World Cup".

The indictment states: "In or about and between November 2010 and April 2011, the defendant Jack Warner received a total of approximately $5m, via more than two dozen separate wire transfers, to an account he controlled at Republic Bank in Trinidad and Tobago in the name of the CFU.

"The wire transfers were sent from 10 different shell companies, all of which were registered and maintained bank accounts in offshore jurisdictions, including Cyprus, Anguilla and the British Virgin Islands, and were cleared through correspondent accounts located in the United States.

"The shell companies used to pay Warner formed part of a broader network of shell entities used to move money through densely layered transactions between and among offshore accounts.

"Several of the accounts used to wire money to Warner received or sent wire transfers to or from companies based in the United States that performed work on behalf of the 2018 Russia World Cup bid."

Russia 2018 organisers have denied wrongdoing and said: "We have repeatedly said that our bid was transparent."

Warner, who has consistently maintained his innocence, has yet to comment on the claims in this month's US indictment.

In a statement earlier this month, FIFA said: "It is important to point out that FIFA has itself been accorded victim status in the US criminal proceedings and senior FIFA officials are in regular contact with the US Department of Justice.

"Following the latest indictment, FIFA will ask the DOJ for further information on these matters."

In May 2015, Warner was one of 14 defendants charged in connection with a 24-year scheme to allegedly "enrich themselves through the corruption of international soccer".

The following week, Warner said he feared for his life and would reveal everything he knows, stating he had instructed his lawyers to contact law enforcement officials in his homeland and overseas.

In September 2015, he was banned from all football activities for life by FIFA, more than four years after quitting football.

Warner committed "many and various acts of misconduct continuously and repeatedly", according to world football's governing body's ethics committee.

Sky Sports News has contacted Warner for comment.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 26, 2020, 03:22:37 PM
You running to the Privy Council to save your backside.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on April 26, 2020, 03:35:50 PM
You running to the Privy Council to save your backside.
Damn thing is, we need a new tsunami to wash way all these new players. Jack tsunami would probably barely reach DJW , Monty and the dreaded Infant toes today.
Title: Police file reveals suspicions of Blatter in FIFA TV deal
Post by: Tallman on April 29, 2020, 02:24:42 PM
Police file reveals suspicions of Blatter in FIFA TV deal
By Graham Dunbar (Associated Press)


Swiss investigators concluded Sepp Blatter knew that a World Cup broadcasting contract was breached illegally and that it would cost FIFA millions of dollars, according to a federal police file obtained by The Associated Press.

Investigation reports sent to prosecutors in December and January showed FIFA wrote off a $3.8 million debt from a Caribbean TV deal signed in 2005 by then-FIFA president Blatter and long-time vice president Jack Warner. The deal was later alleged to have been illegally mismanaged by Blatter.

Blatter acted more in the interests of Warner than in the interests of FIFA, concluded one investigation file seen by the AP.

However, the office of Switzerlands attorney general decided in March it would drop a criminal proceeding from 2015 against Blatter for the Caribbean deal. No reason was stated.

Swiss federal police believed Blatter knew in 2007 that Warner had breached and would personally profit from a Caribbean rights deal for the 2010 and 2014 World Cups that was sold to a Jamaica-based broadcaster.

Details of the original FIFA contract were revealed by Swiss media in September 2015, showing a $600,000 sale to the Warner-controlled Caribbean Football Union.

At the time, FIFA defended the contract by saying it required soccers governing body to get a 50% profit share of any future licensing arrangement. The re-sale was valued at about $15 million.

But FIFA did not try to collect money due in August 2010 within 30 days of the World Cup ending, according to the Swiss police file.

The investigation cited documents and staff emails showing FIFA was due half of any gross revenue from the Caribbean deal, into which Warner had inserted a company he owned.

FIFA were very reluctant to implement any measures in connection with enforcing their rights against the CFU, Swiss police said in its 491-page report.

FIFA calculated it was owed almost $3.8 million in 2011 after Warner resigned from soccer. He had been implicated in bribing Caribbean voters to oppose Blatter in that years FIFA presidential election.

Only then did FIFA management terminate the Caribbean rights and pursue the debt, though not directly with Warner. Instead, it asked the CFU, which had few assets after Warner left.

FIFA wrote off the debt weeks later, the police file showed. It included $3.625 million of estimated revenue from broadcasting sponsors and advertising, and $155,000 of unpaid rights fee instalments, the investigation file said.

A different police report detailed more than 15 years of FIFAs working relations with Warner. It suggested FIFA granted favors and gifts in apparent exchange for election support to help Blatter retain the presidency.

Blatter, who is now 84 and banned from soccer until October 2021, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. He has long denied wrongdoing.

Blatter faces a second criminal proceeding over a $2 million payment he authorized in 2011 to former UEFA president Michel Platini. That payment was revealed by Swiss authorities in September 2015 and led to both men being suspended and then banned from soccer.

Swiss investigations of Blatter are handled by a second prosecutor who took over after the federal offices head of financial crimes had his contract terminated in November 2018.

Attorney general Michael Lauber was recused from FIFA cases last year. He was disciplined in March after having secret meetings with current FIFA president Gianni Infantino and failing to tell the truth about them.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 20, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
WATCH: Jack Warner speaks on various topics including the Caribbean Football Union, the proposed Caribbean Professional League, the impasse between the FIFA, TTFA, and the Normalisation Committee, as well as the state of football in Trinidad and Tobago.

https://www.youtube.com/v/CF0jQtRpJSM
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: maxg on May 22, 2020, 10:39:03 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
So no comments . Mankind fraid to give jack ah jacket or kudos where due, as Robin Hood was really white and handsome.  :devil:
Bet some ppl think Jack more despicable than Trump.

Jack was wrong, but he had many things correct.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on May 22, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl:
So no comments . Mankind fraid to give jack ah jacket or kudos where due, as Robin Hood was really white and handsome.  :devil:
Bet some ppl think Jack more despicable than Trump.

Jack was wrong, but he had many things correct.

JW always has the insight, the man is a walking library on fifa and its corruption

He was wrong in many ways but hes not stupid and why not tap his brain to improve our football and fight fifa
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on May 23, 2020, 08:13:15 AM
:rotfl: :rotfl:
So no comments . Mankind fraid to give jack ah jacket or kudos where due, as Robin Hood was really white and handsome.  :devil:
Bet some ppl think Jack more despicable than Trump.

Jack was wrong, but he had many things correct.

Enjoyed the interview. Just hope he hasn't set himself up for an extraordinary rendition before the cocks crow.
Title: Weak leadership: Warner criticises CFU president
Post by: Tallman on May 23, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
Weak leadership: Warner criticises CFU president
T&T Express


WEAK LEADERSHIP has left Caribbean football divided and at the mercy of world powers.

If we had a strong Caribbean, the injustice which was done to Trinidad and Tobago football by FIFA would never have taken place, stated Austin Jack Warner, the former Caribbean Football Union (CFU) president.

You would never hear a CFU of old say TTFA should accept FIFAs dictates, Warner vented. Never!!

Warners comments came in an in-depth interview with moderator Andre Baptiste on i95.5FM Sports Talk programme.

Warner was the most powerful-ever CFU president. He was at its helm for 21 years, leading to him further assuming more powerful positions as president of the CONCACAF region and also a vice-president of FIFAthe governing body for world football, remaining in that post until 2011, when resigning all his roles amid a football corruption scandal.

In a scathing rebuke of the current CFU leadership, Warner said the organisation which he formerly ruled is now a shadow of its former self. Randy Harris has never been a leader, Warner said of the current CFU boss.

Warner insisted that unity had always been the greatest strength of the small Caribbean islands. Under Harris, Warner feels the CFU is divided and greatly weakened.

In a previous interview on Baptistes programme, Harris had declared that CFU was not dead, but that its members had to abide by the dictates of world footballs governing body from time to time, because FIFA was the only entity funding most of the small Caribbean countries.

All of us are answerable to FIFA and from time to time, all of us are in situations that have to be regularised, Harris had said.

FIFA is very serious about how they operate in the Caribbean; if they are giving you these annual sums of monies, you have to be accountable. It happens to all of us, there are always questions being asked, Harris had further asserted.

To Warner, Harris explanations were signs of great weakness. We voted as a block. You have the strength of your vote, Warner noted, adding, I became strong in FIFA because I controlled 35 of 35 votes.

Warner felt that under its current administration, CFU is non-functional. Have you ever heard anything about a CFU congress? What about the CFU referees? Which games have they taken part in at the World Cup level or CONCACAF level? What about the CFU Youth Programmes? What about the CFU coaching courses?

The Congress, Warner was referencing, has been suspended. On March 30, CFU general secretary, Trinidadian Camara David, issued a release announcing the suspension of the 2020 CFU Congress, which was scheduled for May 7, owing to the evolving situation with the Covid-19 pandemic.

All these things have been forgotten. It is no longer a CFU, Warner continued. CFU is now dead in the water... thanks to Harris, thanks to CONCACAF, thanks to FIFA and, of course, their colleague in Jamaica. It is the worst period in Caribbean football history, he added.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: vb on May 23, 2020, 01:38:23 PM
Sadly, I agree with JW.

In his day they may have been crooked FKS but the CFU had rank.

VB
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: pull stones on May 23, 2020, 07:49:14 PM
Sadly, I agree with JW.

In his day they may have been crooked FKS but the CFU had rank.

VB
jack warner is full of it. him taking a stroll down memory lane boasting of how good it was when he was in charge holds no consolation for us in this present crappy situation. ask warner what he has done for football in the region?

for all the years he was the big boss why didnt he make CFU its own confederation separate from central and north america? and it was do-able because of the numbers there are in CFU having 31 teams to central and north americas 10 countries like their south american counterparts.

 we are stiffilled by central and north america to the point where were lucky to have one single CFU team in the hex where more than often there are always three central american teams with the United states and mexico being mainstays in the hex for the past 30 years and jack has done nothing to fix this but instead maintain the status quo.

he wasnt even able to entice the pro league to link up with the super league to create a tier system and promote the local game, and he had all the tools and resources at his disposal to achieve this but instead sat on his hands and sought his own interest, but made no serious push to strengthen CFU teams be it club or national teams, no serious infrastructure no development, not even a regional pro league, he should be ashamed to open his mouth.

Title: Jack has Covid
Post by: Tallman on September 02, 2020, 06:33:26 PM
Jack has Covid
By Anna Ramdass (T&T Express)


Former FIFA Vice President and Government Minister Jack Warner has contracted the deadly Covid-19 virus.

The Express understands that Warner, 77, was taken to Westshore private hospital last Friday with reports of a cardiac issue.

He was subsequently attended do and he returned to his Arouca home where his condition deteriorated.

Warner was taken back to the Westshore hospital on Tuesday where a Covid test wad administered yielded a positive result.

The Express learnt that Warner is battling the virus and is in the care of the public healthcare institution.

There was speculation on the state of Warner's health on social media on Wednesday where rumours circulated that he had died.

Warner is not dead.

Independent Liberal Party (ILP) political leader Rekha Ramjit told the Express by phone that Warner is a private citizen and is entitled to his privacy.

She said when Warner or his family wishes to divulge any information they will do so.

Warner is the second Trinbagonian politician to contract the Covid-19 virus.

Former Caroni East MP Dr Tim Gopeesingh had tested Covid positive and was in State quarantine before being discharged to his home.

Warner had unsuccessfully contested the Lopinot/Bon Air West constituency seat in the August 10 general election and vigorously campaigned walking the constituency every day.

In 2013 Warner resigned as national security minister in the Persad-Bissessar government following a CONCACAF report which implicated him and his one-time ally Chuck Blazer as being fraudulent in their management of CONCACAF.

He is fighting extradition stemming from charges of criminal conduct in the US.

Warner had said last month that the corruption matter against him in the US is seven years old and he is optimistic that when the matter comes to trial he will be fully cleared as he was with the Integrity Commission.

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Warner hospitalised for COVID-19 treatment.
By Gail Alexander (Guardian).


A close relative of former Peoples Partnership minister Jack Warner last evening confirmed that he had been hospitalised for the treatment of COVID-19.

He is coping. He had a few issues of concern prior to the COVID diagnosis but he is a fighter, the relative said, after social media reports first circulated yesterday that Warner had died before suggesting he was hospitalised on Tuesday for COVID-19.

The development came after Warner, 77, had said last Monday he had been tested for COVID-19 at a private institution after two of his employees tested positive recently. Two days later, he said that hed spent a nerve-wracking 48 hours awaiting the test results but these showed he was negative. He said his wife Maureen, driver and others close to him had also tested for the virus and were all negative. Hed told the T&T Guardian that he would have still self-quarantine for seven days after the tests.

But yesterday, several social media reports alleged that Warner had died and it was later reported that he had been hospitalised with the virus.

Sports fraternity sources stated yesterday that following Warners first COVID test, he continued to feel unwell and went back for a second test at a private institution in West Trinidad on Tuesday - and that result proved positive. The sources also said that hes since been hospitalised and is being treated for the virus.

Health Ministry officials didnt answer calls on the issue last night, including on whether Warner, who unsuccessfully ran for the Lopinot/Bor Air West seat in the August 10 General Election, is now at a public health care facility.

Warners communications manager Michelle Borde-Harvey didnt comment on the reports but told the T&T Guardian that Warner is resting comfortably.

He isnt saying anything to media right now but when hes ready he will speak, Borde-Harvey said.

Warner didnt reply to calls or text messages yesterday.

Also contacted yesterday about the reports and his condition, his wife Maureen, speaking from their home, said, Im not speaking to any newspaper.

Meanwhile, Independent Liberal Party (ILP) leader Rekha Ramjit said, This is a private matter and Im not about to breach any private confidence. If he cant be reached, then he cant be reached. His family will speak.

If he cant be reached, he cant be reached or doesnt want to be reached. Im not denying or confirming any situation with Mr Warner. He is a private individual entitled to his privacy. If and when the time is right and if need be, his family will let the media what is happening. At this time, a persons health is their private business and I wont deny or confirm any rumours flying around the country.

Yesterday, the UNCs Devant Maharaj said he had spoken to the former FIFA vice president and Works and Transport minister last Sunday and Warner had told him hed taken a COVID test last week and was cleared, as was his wife, driver and others.

The first politician to contract the virus was former UNC MP Dr Tim Gopeesingh, who was also being treated for the virus recently and had told the T&T Guardian last week that he was on the mend.

The country recorded a 28th COVID death yesterday and now has 1,201 active cases.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 04, 2020, 03:09:04 AM
Sporting fraternity: Jack's a fighter.
By Bobie-Lee Dixon (Guardian).


Several hours after news broke on Wednesday evening that former FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner had tested positive for COVID-19 and was hospitalised, a post to his official Facebook page yesterday morning sought to confirm the reports, adding Warner was in good spirits.

Pleasant morning all, the reports are true. Mr Warner has tested positive for Covid-19 and is, in fact, being treated. He wishes to advise all, that he is alive and in good spirits, as always, the post read.

Responding to Warners diagnosis members of the sporting fraternity were now wishing the former CONCACAF president a speedy recovery.

Labelling Warner a fighter, they predicted he would fight and overcome this hurdle too.

Former Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president, William Wallace, said in a telephone interview the news of Warners positive COVID-19 diagnosis was a bit surprising but he added that it was clear no one was exempt from the virus.

I wish Mr Warner a speedy recovery. I know he is a fighter and we are looking forward to him getting over this, said Wallace.

Get-well wishes also came from President of the Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Committee (TTOC), Brian Lewis who described Warner as a man of resilience and courage.

It is not something anyone would want for themselves. One can only wish him the best in overcoming this, he said.

Long-time friend and former Guardian Media Sports Editor Valentino Singh boasted, If it is one man I know, will not lie down and die because of COVID-19, its Austin Jack Warner.

Singh, who authored two biographies on WarnerUpwards Through the Night and From Zero to Hero, said Warner had surmounted and passed so many different obstacles in his life over the years from his childhood to now, and it was not like him to allow anything to defeat him whether it was a virus or fighting his legal battles.

He is going to fight his way out of it, I am sure. He has done so much good for so many people despite what a lot of people think about him. And I am sure the weight of all the prayers by so many people will weigh in his favour. Like so many Trinidadians and people across the world, whose lives have been touched by Jack Warner, I too, wish him a speedy recovery.

Morvant Caledonia United head coach, Jamaal Shabazz called Warner a warrior who always maintained that disposition. He believes Warner was in Gods hands and proposed.

Now is a time of serious uncertainty and it is important for us to turn to our Lord and draw inspiration for all aspects of our lives."

On Wednesday efforts to get updated information on the former politicians condition proved a challenge as family and executive members of the Warner-formed Independent Labour Party (ILP) refused to divulge further details, saying Warner was a private citizen and the state of his health was a private matter.

Warner 77, unsuccessfully contested the Lopinot/Bon Air West constituency in last months August 10 general election, after which, he announced via his Facebook page he was exiting politics.

In the August 20 post, Warner, a former minister of national security, wrote, I have chosen to exit from electoral as well as all other kinds of politics and for once, hopefully unperturbed, enjoy the evening of my life with my family and close friends. My political journey was rough but I enjoyed every moment of it. I may not live long enough to witness any transformation in my constituency, but never forget that I tried and that I love the constituents of Lopinot/Bon Air West for whom I would have given my all.

After the election, Warner, a diabetic, had been experiencing health problems and was privately tested near two weeks ago for COVID-19 with an initial negative diagnosis, but subsequently retook the test on Tuesday after remaining unwell. The latter presented a positive conclusion.


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 27, 2022, 12:41:00 PM
Warner, Phillips head TTFA creditors seeking TT $84.5 million.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Former FIFA vice president and T&T Football Association Special Advisor Austin Jack Warner and former TTFA General Secretary, Sheldon Phillips head the list of 289 creditors who have made claims of TT$84.5 million (US$13.5 million) owed to them by the TTFA.

Warner, a key figure in local football from the 1980s, and Phillips, the son of former national goalkeeper Lincoln Tiger Phillips have all submitted their claims to the local football federation trustee Maria Daniel.

On March 7, former national player and T&T head coach Dennis Lawrence won a multi-million-dollar High Court judgment against the TTFA who fired him on December 2019, for breach of contract, non-payment of his salaries and bonuses. He also has submitted a claim to the TTFA creditors for settlement along with Stephen Hart, Kendall Walkes, Terry Fenwick, Peter Miller, Anton Corneal, Russell Latapy, Ross Russell, former general secretaries Ramesh Ramdhan and Camara David, the T&T Football Referees Association, are among other creditors which comprises a very wide cross-section of players, technicals staff, administrative staff, companies and government agencies.

The TTFA general council had approved the sports debt at $98m in October 2021.

Last month, in a media release from the TTFA, creditors with claims against the TTFA were asked to individually submit a proof of claim on or before April 8 to Daniel, a chartered financial analyst and partner in Transaction Advisory Services, of Ernst and Young Services Limited.

In a March 22 notice, Daniel who is also the holder of a trustee license under the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act of T&T said: Each creditor with a claim against the TTFA is required to submit proof of claim supporting documentation in the prescribed form (Form 12) for examination and determination by me as the licensed trustee.

Daniel, who was appointed on November 8, 2021 by the FIFA appointed TTFA Normalisation Committee added: A creditor that does not submit a proof of claim shall not receive any payment pursuant to the proposal of the TTFA.

In my capacity as a licensed trustee, I require creditors that have not yet submitted their proof of claim to obtain a copy of the prescribed form and submit their proof of claim on or before April 8, 2022.

And following the passing of the deadline former CONCACAF boss Warner who has been facing extradition to the US since 2015 when he was indicted by the United States Department of Justice as part of the FIFA scandal was listed as the highest claimant for $TT 22.6 million (US$3.38 million) at the top of the list of the 289 TTFA creditors followed by a claim for TT$12 million by Phillips who was relieved of his position in 2015 and sued the local football body for wrongful dismissal.

A figure of TT$6.11 million is also listed as being owed to government and state creditors.

According to Tuesday report on InsideWorld Football by Paul Nicholson, the offer to unsecured creditors in the papers lodged at the court is for the provision of about US$2.38 million to settle their claimsabout TT$12.4 million in total.

This money could come from a US$3 million to loan that is earmarked to settle the full debt.

For that to happen the proposal has to be accepted by the creditors at a meeting on May 5.

A majority of the meeting have to vote in favour of the proposal either in person or by proxy.

With the proposal being that the first TT$200,000 ($29,800) is paid to every creditor, that is pretty much guaranteed as only 31 of the 289 creditors listed have claims above that figure.

The insolvency rules also state that two thirds of the value of the total claim also have to vote in favour of the proposal for it to go through.

This becomes more difficult for the TTFA to achieve as the top 10 creditors represent about 70.5% of the total debt listed. In that top 10 are five former coaches who were unpaid and have court judgements in their favour against the TTFAthe fact that they are owed the money is pretty much undisputed and they are unlikely to accept payment that could be as low as 14 cents on the dollar. Though it could be a lot more if not all proofs of claim are submitted or the trustee rules out a number of claims as invalidWarner and Phillips claims being the most questionable.

The filed court documents say that so far they have received only 59 proof of claims from the 291 creditors listed.

FIFA most likely source of bail out funds.

The financing of the creditor payments is explained as being via an unsecured $3 million loan and with the T&T government already stating they have no intention of providing the funds to clear the debt the name of the provider of the loan is not given but it realistically could only come from FIFA.

The loan is contingent on the creditors agreeing the debt proposal and that it being approved by the court.

The alternative finance solution would have been a sale of the TTFAs assets, underpinned by the Home of Football facility.

However, the court documents say that this option is not preferred as there are various issues surrounding any sale of the Home of Football facility that suggest a sale would fall significantly short of the valuation.

What it does mean is that if the creditors agreed the proposal the TTFA would enter their new world with a monetiseable asset.

If they dont agree the proposal, then, at another meeting will be convened within five days to try to find an agreement. If no agreement can be found then the TTFA will be liquidated.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on April 28, 2022, 11:28:39 AM
Jack Warner's fight against US extradition reaches Privy Council
By Jada Loutoo (T&T Newsday)


FORMER FIFA vice president and government minister Jack Warners fight against his extradition to the US to face a barrage of fraud-related charges has reached the Privy Council.

On Wednesday, five Privy Council judges Lords Hodge, Briggs, Hamblem, Burrows, and Sir Declan Morgan began hearing submissions from Warners attorneys and those for the State.

Warner has leading his team a leading UK barrister and extradition lawyer Clare Montgomery, SC, and Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein, both of whom began submissions on day one of his appeal of the Court of Appeals dismissal of the ex-Fifa jefes judicial review claim.

Warner is challenging the process by which the extradition proceedings against him are being carried out, and seeks to quash the authority to proceed (ATP) which was signed in 2016 by then-attorney general Faris Al-Rawi.

The ATP gave the magistrate the green light to begin committal proceedings. Warner has also challenged the legality of the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act, and the treaty signed between this country and the US.

Extradition proceedings against Warner have been stayed pending his legal challenges.

In its decision, the Court of Appeal held that the extradition treaty had not been shown to lack conformity with the act and there was no merit in Warners case that the US order, which declared that country as a declared foreign territory, was not valid.

However, Montgomery argued the purpose of the conformity requirement was not just to provide protection under domestic law but to provide the individual with protection in the US to ensure that country did not go beyond its treaty obligations.

She said the US could not act without consent in Trinidad and if Warner was to be extradited and that country wanted to add charges, it first had to be determined if it could.

And, this is where the problem lies, she said.

Montgomery also submitted the procedure adopted by the AG on the ATP was conspicuously unfair since Warner was neither given a proper opportunity to make representations, nor were disclosures provided to allow him to do so consonant with the principles of fairness.

She also complained of an unacceptable condition of the AG for Warner to consent to the extension of the ATP if he wanted an opportunity to make representations. She said had he agreed, there would not be any time for him to respond to the allegations against him by the US, and had declined, and was not willing to agree since by that time he was already under provisional arrest for 113 days.

In his submissions, Hosein said the law on extradition must be complied with nor did the Executive have the power to go beyond what was mandated by the legislature.

There is provision for conformity (of the act and the treaty), he said, adding that the Executive had no power to make secret arrangements with any territory.

You cannot go beyond an authority given to you by the legislature. Extradition is guided by statute, he said, questioning whether the legislature gave the Executive the unrestrained mandate to exercise powers and give assurances that could undermine protections and fundamental freedoms afforded to citizens under the Constitution.

In his reply, James Lewis, QC, said there was a level of conformity between the treaty and the act, but reminded the judges that courts usually did not tread on foreign policy issues.

The treaty is not part of the law of Trinidad and Tobago. It is an unincorporated treaty not subsumed in domestic law. The courts do not examine provisions of an unincorporated treaty because they are not the law of the land.

He said this case was slightly hybrid as it was not entirely in the realm of foreign policy, but not entirely domestic law. Because of this, he said, the interpretation of the treaty would be entirely for the AG.

The AG would have had to look at the treaty and determine if there was compliance. The Court of Appeal was right to find it was in conformity with the Extradition Act and should be given broad statutory construction.

Lewis continues his submissions on Thursday.

The US, in 2015, made a request for Warners extradition to answer to wide-ranging allegations of criminal conduct stretching back some 30 years during his tenure as vice-president of Fifa. He was one of 14 charged in connection with a 24-year scheme to allegedly enrich themselves through the corruption of international soccer.

Warner has consistently maintained his innocence.

In September 2015, he was banned from all football activities for life by FIFA. Also making up his team of attorneys in London are Rishi Dass, Sasha Bridgemohansingh and Anil Maraj.

He is out on $2.5 million bail.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on October 30, 2022, 02:48:42 PM
Q&A: Jack Warner says Sorry to England, Forgives Kamla
Wants USA knocked out early in World Cup
by Prior Beharry (AZP News)


October 29, 2022

FORMER FIFA vice president and government minister Jack Warner sat down on Friday with Editor-in-Chief of AZP News Prior Beharry at his Sunshine Today newspaper office in Arouca to discuss politics in Trinidad and Tobago and why he supported Russia and not England for the 2018 World Cup. He said he has forgiven then prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar for firing him as a minister after he was indicted for alleged corruption in FIFA. He also revealed that former prime minister Patrick Manning had invited him to his home to complain about current head of government Dr Keith Rowley. See Q and A below:

PB: How shall I describe you retired politician, businessman, publisher?

JW: I can be an embodiment of all three. I am a publisher. I have my own newspaper Sunshine Today. Its the only weekly in the country and people do tell me very often almost on a weekly basis that its the best newspaper that they read. It is very informative and it gives them a lot of inside information in current and future policies of the government.

I am a businessman, because I have my businesses basically rental businesses. I have various properties throughout the country where I have tenants and they by and large were people who were suffering from the pandemic, many of them have not paid rent for over two years, but I refuse to evict them because when times were good they were good and therefore I am talking to them to see how best we can come to terms with what outstanding they have.

PB: How much you think you have lost?

JW: I would say conservatively a couple of million dollars well and want to be conservative about it because in this country you put a figure and people want to kill you after.

Thirdly, I thought I am a retired politician and in some ways I am. But every day when I see the state of this country when I see whats happening in terms of crime, the economy, agriculture, you name it. Many a times I feel to put on my guns again.

PB: What can be done in terms of crime solutions? What are the solutions?

JW: What can be done is so simple. And I dont understand why it hasnt been done. In the first case I would like to see all the retired police officers retain their title as they do in the army The mere fact that these people carry their title and their weapons and so on will act as a deterrent.

More importantly and I am making the point over and over again that we need to have some coastal police stations to prevent the influx of guns coming into the country.

You can say what you want, everybody knows that Moruga, Cedros, Matelot, Erin these are areas where guns come into the country.

I read last week where a guy got murdered from some Spanish speaking people and of course Venezuelans of course and one of the guy who was murdered had hit the ground, the guys were in their boat going back to Venezuela. In Moruga.

It is not only putting police officers on the street, that doesnt solve the problem. We have to make better use of army. The fact is the army some five, six, seven thousand strong, they are lounging down in Chaguaramas. Why dont we put them into action and get them to do the kind of patrols day and night that the country needs.

The time has come for us to start hangings once again. You can say what you want about Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj he of course was an attorney general that everybody feared. He was the only guy in the world today who hanged six of them in one day and until we begin to get people to be afraid of the consequences of their crime, nothing would have.

PB: It was actually nine over four days in 1999.

JW: Well yes nine over four days.

PB: And the state of roads in country?

JW: I have pity for (Minister of Works and Transport) Rohan Sinanan because I know he means well. In fact, we talk from time to time. But, until the government gets serious about funding, and put in quality control in the contractors who fix these roads, we in trouble.

Also you have to have what we call preventative maintenance. You dont wait till a road collapses before you fix it. If you take a taxi or a car from here (Arouca) to Matelot you would see about ten or 15 landslides that will happen in six to ten months time.

Why do we have to wait until these collapse before we fix them?

Who look at our bridges over the years to see what needs repairs or not. Must these bridges collapse before we fix them?

And then when the bridges collapse, they take a long time to be fixed. Look at the bridge by the Golden Grove Prison. It has collapsed and I tell you this you may even see your grandchildren before that road is fixed.

PB:Is it that we dont have a culture and history of maintenance in this country?


Jack Warner at his Sunshine Today newspaper office in Arouca. AZP News/Prior Beharry

JW: Prior, I hasten to add, we dont. Look at our sports facilities (former prime minister Basdeo) Panday built four stadia in 2001. Twenty years later, look at them, fallen to pieces. Not one has a coat of paint. I mean elevators not functioning, doors lacking hinges and so on

The government maintains nothing. And people argue with some justification and the reason for that is when the thing collapses then they have a contract to give to some friend of theirs to refurbish it and that is of course their friends and their financiers and so on make money. But its not fair to the country.

PB: But, was that how it was when you were minister of works?

JW: It wasnt so in my time because I was emphatic about maintaining these facilities, maintaining the roads.

Remember I am not trying to boast, after 28 years it was I who built the Mt Pleasant bridge in Arima, which for 28 years the PNM said couldnt be built.

Remember it was me who opened the road from Piarco to St Helena. Remember it was me who fixed the road next to San Fernando Technical Institute. And the list goes on and on. I take no boast for this but I believe I was a visionary who worked for a dollar a month, who never bought a tax free car.

PB: You never bought a car tax free as was your right as a minister?

JW: So help my God, never a tax free car at no point in time. For seven years I was in Parliament. Because I didnt went there to take, I went there to make.

I never travelled on taxpayers money. I travelled once to Jamaica and I paid my way. So I am saying this to tell you that until people become committed to improving the society and not taking from it we shall be in trouble.

PB: You said you only took $1 salary as a minister, people could say that you were getting a hefty amount of money from FIFA during that time?

JW: Agreed! But there are guys who are getting even heftier that than that even locally and they still taking.

If a guy has 30, 40 properties and you went into government if you getting $24 million a year, $30 million a year, why should you take an additional salary. Why should you.

How much money can you spend. Prior, how many beds can you sleep in? How many vehicles can you drive at one time? How many homes you can sleep in at one time? What is this urge? This greed? What for?

Yes, I was being taken care of externally. But, I am saying that there are guys who have been taken care of internally, better than I was and they still taking.

PB: What was your salary at that time with FIFA?

JW: FIFA never gave a salary, they give a stipend. And it was easy to make US$10,000, US$15,000, US$20,000 a month if you want to. Then after at the end of every World Cup they give you an allowance that was substantial and so on. Remember Im there for 30 years and therefore, this speaks a lot. So therefore, I was well taken care of by FIFA.

PB: Do you miss FIFA?

JW: I dont really. I have travelled enough. I have gone to 177 countries some of them seven times over. I dont need to travel anymore especially with the kinds of restrictions you have now, dont travel with your belt, your shoes, your shocks and so on.

I have met kings and queens and princes, I mean there is nobody, and this is not a boast Prior, there is nobody in the Western world who has travelled more than I have travelled; who has met national leaders, from Mandela go back to Putin, go back to Queen Elizabeth, you name them, I have met them.

From (Joe) Biden to (Bill) Clinton to (Barack) Obama, I have sat with all of them. And therefore I dont need that anymore, I have had my fill.

I am now able to look back as a senior citizen, if you want to call it that, and say what I have accomplished and what I have not accomplished.

PB: But, do you miss the travel?

JW: I dont. I dont. I swear to you, I dont. Not these days.

PB: But, is it that you are wanted in the US that you dont travel?

No, no, no. The US may have contributed to that but I stopped travelling long before the (indictment in the) US.

The US they have their axe to grind and in future we shall decide who is right and who is wrong I stopped travelling long before the US restriction.

PB: Your matter is before the Privy Council and England doesnt like you because you voted for Russia to get the 2018 World Cup and not England. Do you think that you will get a fair hearing and ruling by the Privy Councillors?

JW: History has shown that the Privy Council disregards events that take place outside their domain. I have seen the Privy Council give some decisions on matters here in Trinidad that sometimes astounds me. And therefore they are brave. They have no axe to grind. I feel safe and sound that I should be judged fairly before them and at the end of the day I am just waiting to see what the outcome shall eventually be.

PB: The Privy Council vs the Caribbean Court of Justice as the final court of appeal for T&T?

JW: I am not for the CCJ.

PB: Why is that?

JW: Because I believe the CCJ can be easily tainted by local prejudices. They have to be outside of the realm of local politics for me to be secure about them and therefore, I am saying that I am not happy at all with the CCJ. I hope it doesnt come into being in my lifetime.

PB: How old are you?

JW: I will be 80 on the 26th of January 2023.

PB: You had Covid. How are you now? Any Long Covid?

JW: Im ok now, I spent 13 wicked days at the Couva hospital (the main Covid facility in T&T during the pandemic).

I must confess that I thanked the Lord, because nobody at my age and who was as sick as I was survived. I was the only survivor who was that old went through that kind of Covid turmoil and survived.

PB: Were you in ICU?

JW: I was in HDU (high dependency unit).

PB: Did you like the treatment?

JW: The treatment was good. Nurses did their best, but I did not like the meals. I cannot understand. Im not a greedy person for meals. But I cant understand why it is in Couva, you have to get meals from Mt Hope. And Couva has the best kitchen in the Caribbean. Why is it that we had to get meals from Mt Hope thats cold, thats late and sometimes not at all.

PB: Overall, how do you think that the Government handled the pandemic?

JW: I think the government made a lot of money from it. Money that they received from donations from various sources. I dont think that they spent all the money on the pandemic and at some point in time the truth shall be revealed.

There was too much of a kind of terror tactics being used by the ministry of health and by some of the doctors terrorising people as such and telling people dont do this, dont do that and at no point in time, they were saying lets put our heads together and see how we can draw from another experiment as the case maybe. And its in that sense I have some problems with that.

PB: After you were dismissed from the government in 2013, you resigned as MP for Chaguanas West and caused a bye-election to be called and then went back to win that seat again. How did you achieve that when you werent in government and that was UNC safe seat?

JW: Ill go further to tell you I am a Negro and was fighting in an Indian constituency. I am a Catholic fighting in a highly Hindu constituency. I was living in the East fighting in a constituency that was in Central. And last of all, I was fighting the governments collective machinery

But, you know something Prior, why I was able to do what I did? Because I was able to represent those people in a way nobody else ever did.

And up to now (in) Chaguanas West there are guys who consider me there to be a demigod, a semi-god cause I fix their roads, their bridges. I went to their functions. I gave scholarships for children of cane farmers. You name it I did it. Wherever a problem arose I was present.

My hours and this is not meant to be a boast. My hours in Chaguanas West on a Friday might be from midnight Friday night to five, six, seven pm on Saturday afternoon. People will come from all over the country to see me.

PB: And you saw everyone?

JW: I saw everybody. I saw every single body and Prior you know something, if even I wasnt able to help some of them, everyone left with a smile. My door was always open.

And therefore, I felt because of my representation I would have won and I did.

PB: You have a reputation as an early riser because this morning you called me at 5.47?

JW: That was late. I was in the office already.

PB: Tell me how does your day go?

JW: I come to office five in the morning. I would work until nine (oclock), ten (oclock) and then the phone starts to ring, I go crazy because everybody is calling and calling.

At eleven, twelve, I would go and see some of my businesses talk to some of my tenants, see what the problem is. Then go to the Centre of Excellence

I love to play All Fours. I am an All Fours genius, star.

PB: So you claim?

JW: I will show off now. I will go and play some All Fours at a place called The Palace where I have some interests- a club, a bar on First Street in Five Rivers. And then do some reading and go to bed about eleven.

Ill be up by 2 am. Then I go to walk. Every morning I walk for an hour. In park next to me called Warner Park.

PB: You are not worried about crime?

JW: I have an armed security that walks with me. Every morning for an hour from 3.30 am to 4.30 am.

PB: You said, you think that you are now a retired politician. Is there an opportunity now for you to go back into the politics?

JW: I have been asked and called upon every day.

PB: By whom?

JW: I hate to tell you but youll will be surprised by the people who called me just for me to acknowledge them, and I say I am not ready. I dont want to make a premature return that at the end of the day I regret. So I am looking on to see whats happening outside there and grieving inside to see the state of the country.

I am offended to see this racial bogey of what the Indian and African polarization has done to a country because until that is fixed the country will not progress.

So therefore, you have Indian for UNC, African for PNM and a few thousand in between.

I had gone to the UNC to fix that, to readjust that. I had gone to show that you can go to an Indian party and still be a person. But of course Suruj Rambachan and others dashed that.

PB: Are you going to look at the World Cup?

JW: Football?

PB: Yes, Football World Cup

JW: I dont look at football anymore. I look at cricket. I am a cricket fanatic now. T20.

PB: Who are you supporting now, since West Indies are out (of the T20 World Cup in Australia)?

JW: I never supported West Indies. I knew from the start they were non-starters. And I didnt allow my emotions to get the better of me. I knew they wouldnt make it. But I was backing Pakistan. I was backing Babar Azam and (Mohammed) Rizwan and after I see Zimbabwe beat them by a run I almost cried.

And right now I have transferred my support from Pakistan to India.

PB: So you dont look at football at all. I see that England, America and Iran are in the same group in the World Cup. When England play American who will you support?

JW: That happen before, a couple World Cups before.

PB: Who would you support when England play America?

JW: I dont care who win. It doesnt matter to me. It doesnt matter to me who win. I mean, if you ask me that twice, Ill tell you England because America has done damage to me and my family and therefore I am pained with America so I hoped that they get knocked out first. But beyond that I dont care.

PB: England would say that they hate you because you voted to give Russia the 2018 World Cup over England.

JW: Yes they hate me. But hatred doesnt last forever. Hated doesnt last forever. At some point in time they have to come back to reality. The world isnt made that way. When you hate somebody so much it tends to consume you and that is what affects you in the end.

PB: So do you regret voting for Russia against England?

JW: No! I thought it was Russias time. Where I failed I should have told England very early of what my intention was. I did not do that and therefore they were led along to believe I was supporting them. I failed, I erred and I apologise profusely for that but I thought it was Russias time to host a World Cup and I have no regret.

PB: You met (David) Beckham, you met Prince William you gave them the impression

JW: I met the Queen. I met her husband. The Queen gave me her plane to go to Ireland. The Queen put her plane at my disposal and her pilot to go to Ireland. I did all these things. England was very good to me. The brought courses to the Caribbean but in the end when I sat down and realise that England has hosted World Cups before.

PB: Only one in 1966.

JW: Yeah, but Russia had hosted none. Russian had never hosted a World Cup and I felt it was Russias turn. And when I sit back now and I reflect I have no cause for grief because I believe honestly, I did the right thing.
 
PB: What did you tell Prince William when you met him?

JW: I never said I would vote for them. I said, of course, I would give it some serious thought. At no point in time, thank God, did I tell England I voting for them.

PB: But, that was the impression people got in the media etc?

JW: The media dont worry me. I know what I said. Even when the English team came here (Trinidad) and Beckham came and (did) coaching courses and so on, they asked me to make a statement that Jack Warner of CONCACAF now support the England bid. I didnt do it. I didnt do it. I never made a public endorsement of anybody.

PB: But did you give them the impression privately?

JW: Thats where I erred. I gave them that impression and I should not have. And thats where I erred and possibly I am paying a price for that today. Who knows?

PB: Do you follow local football?

JW: There is no local football. You cant name five national footballers on the national team at this point in time.

PB: Kevin Molino

JW: I said five I was heartened to read that the secondary league had a nice final on Wednesday and they had a big crowd.

PB: So that augurs well for football in T&T?

JW: For the secondary football league, not for football in T&T

PB: Why?

JW: Because what they have to do here is what I did and succeeded years ago. Prior, you dont get success instantly; you have instant coffee, instant cocoa, you dont have instant football. You have to go build. I began building at an early age (Russell) Latapy, Dwight Yorke and these guys. I had CONCACAF youth tournaments here like crazy. I built a base of youth footballers and at that point in time, therefore I built a cadre of them and they were able to face a World Cup.

You cant go and hope to find a (Columbus Crew midfielder Kevin) Molino here and Molino there and anywhere that is hit and miss. And it does not work that way.

And that is why you see football wouldnt rise in here in a hurry.

PB: The difference now than in 2006 when T&T made it to a World Cup?

JW: Chalk and chesse. Guys today cant trap a ball, and asking you, how much you will pay me. Guys today cannot pass a ball and asking you what you have to give them. What do you tell them? There is no pro league in this country. There is no national league in this country. There is no inter-league in this country.

PB: What are your thoughts on the Ascension League?

JW: I dont know enough about them to speak on them. I see a headline now and again but I dont read on football. So I dont know much about them, but if they were successful to me they would have been more effective. They would have been as effective as the secondary schools football league is now.

PB: And the Normalisation Committee that FIFA has in place?

JW: I think that FIFA has done a disservice to the country. The guys who were in power should not have been removed. They did that to spite Jack Warner and thought that in a way they would have hurt me. They havent hurt me one bit, they hurt football in T&T.

I am disheartened to see that nobody in the media or in authority had spoken out strongly against this disservice done to this country.

But again this is how we are as a people, anything foreign is good and if foreigners put the committee there, then so bet it.

PB: What about the Netflix movie on you and FIFA coming out next month?

JW: On FIFA not on me. I will be involved in it they say. It doesnt interest me.

PB: You wont look at it?

JW: It doesnt interest me. I stop looking at football. I say to Netflix, get a life. But if they believe that that will help them to make some money go ahead.

Four years ago, a fella called Andrew Jennings wrote a book called Foul, just before the World Cup where is he today? Hes dead.

Netflix is doing a movie on FIFA and Jack Warner. Four years from now look and see where theyll be. I doesnt bother me.

I have insulated myself from criticism from football, if not I would have been dead already. So it doesnt worry me. I wont watch it and I dont even want to hear about it.

PB: Is it that how you get along now?

JW: That is correct. I live deliberately in a kind of cocoon. I have internally migrated, for want of a better term, and therefore these things dont worry me anymore.

A headline in the papers on Jack Warner used to worry me long time. But it doesnt worry me anymore. I guy attacked me on social media it does not worry me anymore.

PB: Are you on social media?

JW: No Im not on social media not on Facebook.

PB: Basdeo Panday, Patrick Manning, Kamla Persad-Bissessar and Dr Keith Rowley. Whos the best?

The best was Basdeo Panday.

PB: Why?

JW: Basdeo Panday was the first Indian prime minister. He came in at a time when this country had no money. He came in at a time when the oil (price) was at its lowest. And if one was to sit down and look objectively at what he had achieved during that period then they would have nothing else but good things to say about him

Look at his achievements, look at how many police stations he built, look at the scholarships he gave. Look at the man who gave free education to all, that was Panday.

But, the worst prime minister this country has ever seen is Keith Rowley. And dont ask me why. There is nothing good I can say about him and my grandmother told me that if you cant say good dont say bad.

Rowley is the worst thing to happen to this country.

And you know what is sad. Manning called me in his home. He and I werent good friends. He called me to his home. Prior, I swear to you this morning

PB: When was that?

JW: A month before he died. He asked to see me. I went to his home. He sent out his wife and children. He had a Bible on his leg and his hand was kind of flicking and so on, turning the pages. He asked me, he begged me never to allow Rowley and (Colm) Imbert rule this country. I told him, yes sir, I agree with you, by why didnt you stop them in their tracks when you had to go up for election. He said if he had done that, there would have been a revolution in the PNM. I said okay sir.

You know something. Three or four months after when Kamla called election, I supported Rowley. I helped Rowley, he could say what he wants, I did.

PB: Why?

JW: Because Kamla had hurt me. She had hurt me passionately and of course the things she said about me in the Chaguanas West bye-election, the things she said about me even after pains me and pains me still. Of course, I dont care what anybody say, I contributed in making Kamla what she eventually became.

PB: Have you spoken to her since?

JW: No I havent.

PB: Would you forgive her?

Yes sure. I was bitter in those days but right now I am not bitter.

PB: Would you support her now against Rowley?

JW: Well actually she is the lesser of the two evils and surely I would. Rowley is bad news

There are over 6,000 students who would graduate from university at (a function) at the Centre of Excellence this week.

Where would they get jobs? Where would they work? On top of that you are telling me now that you are going to move the retirement age from 60 to 65. So how these guys coming into the system? Who would they replace.? And therefore what would these young people do?

If I were a young person in this country I would head north, not USA, but Canada, Toronto. There is no hope for young people in this country as it is at present.

And I am not saying that because I am bitter but I am saying it because I am pragmatic, I am realistic.

There is no middle class in this country. Poverty is rampant and of course with poverty crime. What do you do?

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 12, 2022, 04:53:43 PM
Hislop, Sancho share disappointment in Warner in Netflix's FIFA: Uncovered
By Narissa Fraser (T&T Newsday)


FORMER T&T footballers Shaka Hislop and Brent Sancho did not hold back from sharing their disappointment in former FIFA vice president Jack Warner in Netflix's new docuseries FIFA: Uncovered.

The four-episode series extensively covers allegations of corruption in the world governing body for football. It was released on Wednesday.

Sancho praised Warner or what he thought him to be saying that in the Caribbean, there's a "post-Jack and a pre-Jack (era)."

The pre-Jack era, he said, most "went about their business on their own...Twenty-five countries reporting back to Concacaf and FIFA.

"When Jack came in, he united the Caribbean and he gave every single Caribbean nation whether you're small as Turks and Caicos or as big as Cuba a sense of belonging."

He added that Warner "believed that the Caribbean should be hosting World Cups. He believed that anything that Europe gets or Africa gets or Asia gets, that the Caribbean should get as well."

He said Warner had a "very powerful hand" in T&T football.

"Nothing happened without him."

The docuseries also featured clips of the T&T squad that qualified for the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany which included Hislop as goalkeeper and Sancho as a defender.

Hislop recalled fond memories of those times, but also spoke about financial negotiations with Warner.

"Jack made all the decisions around our football for quite some time. He wanted to have influence on people's careers."

Sancho recalled players having a meeting with Warner at which they asked for a "70/30 split for the commercial revenues that were derived from the World Cup."

He said they were all shocked when Warner agreed, especially as he was such a "powerful" man.

A qualification bonus was also discussed where they agreed on a 50/50 split.

But after this, "Everything started to go downhill," Sancho said.

During their World Cup run, Sancho said he began to see deductions for accommodation in Austria and Germany, and airfare, among other things, being deducted from their commercial revenue.

Sancho said, "All the trust and all the faith that we had in Mr Warner went immediately out the door, because how dare you take away our only moment we had of joy playing in the biggest sporting occasion?

"It felt like that ripped that away from us."

He said after T&T's World Cup run ended, a coach called him and said he'd like to recruit him but couldn't, because: "You are blacklisted. We're not allowed to pick any of the guys that's involved in the bonus dispute."

Hislop said there's still around $100 million "that is totally and completely unaccounted for.

"Jack never really had to account for where that money went."

In 2014, the T&T government agreed to pay the 2006 World Cup squad the outstanding US$1.3 million owed to them.

During his tenure at FIFA, Warner was accused of racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering, and bribery, and allegedly accepted millions of dollars in bribes to ensure South Africa became World Cup hosts in 2010.

Former FIFA officials recalled other countries who wished to host the 2010 World Cup giving "royal treatment" to Warner and his colleagues, but to no avail.

The docuseries also showed the late South African President Nelson Mandela's visit to T&T, which interviewees believed was a further "PR stunt" for people to favour Warner.

Former FIFA secretary general Jerome Valcke said in 2007, he learnt a $10 million payment was to be made to the CFU (Caribbean Football Union) and Warner by South Africa to "fund the African diaspora in the Caribbean.

"There was a lot of pressure from Jack Warner to proceed with the payments," he said.

In May 2011 at a Concacaf congress ahead of FIFA's presidential elections, then FIFA president Joseph Sepp Blatter awarded a $1 million development grant to Concacaf which was then headed by Warner.

Former US Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati said, "It was about as blatant as one could be in terms of, you know, 'Let me give you a gift for your region, Mr Warner, in front of all your members 30 or 60 days before an election."

Warner then held another congress at the Hyatt Regency in Port of Spain at which another FIFA presidential candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam spoke.

But after Hammam's presentation, the heads of all football federations in Concacaf were invited somewhere to collect "a gift."

The gifts were envelopes with some $40,000 inside.

Many took the money but others refused and reported it.

Bin Hammam would later withdraw from the presidential race and Warner was suspended over allegations of bribery. Warner eventually resigned and FIFA banned him from any involvement in football for life.

Newsday contacted Warner before the release of the docuseries but he said he was not interested in it.

"I'm not aware of it and I don't want to be aware of it.

"It doesn't really interest me," he said.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Peong on November 17, 2022, 11:43:13 AM
Jack goose almost cook......
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 17, 2022, 09:06:33 PM
Warner promises to continue challenging legality of US extradition request 
By Derek Aching (T&T Guardian)


Five Law Lords of the United Kingdom-based Privy Council have dismissed former FIFA executive and T&T government minister Jack Warner's final appeal over the dismissal of his lawsuit challenging the United States (US) extradition request for him.

Lords Hodge, Briggs, Hamblen, Burrows, and Sir Declan Morgan delivered their decision in the appeal earlier today, after hearing submissions from lawyers representing Warner and the Office of the Attorney General at the UK's Supreme Court in London, England, earlier this year.

In its decision, the Board dismissed all four grounds raised by Warner in the appeal as it upheld consistent decisions from the local High Court and Court of Appeal.

It ruled that this countrys extradition treaty with the US did not contradict the Extradition (Commonwealth and Foreign Territories) Act. It also ruled that former Attorney General Faris Al Rawi did not act unfairly in his handling of the US extradition request for Warner.

The decision in the appeal clears the way for extradition proceedings before Chief Magistrate Maria Busby-Earle-Caddle, which were put on hold as Warner was pursuing his civil litigation, to resume.

In a statement issued a short while ago, Warner said he would continue to challenge the legality of the proposed extradition.

"I continue to have confidence in my team led by Fyard Hosein Senior Counsel, and I have advised them to continue to press my case on the three remaining stages of these proceedings. I have lived in this country for nearly eighty years, and I am confident that I will continue to receive the love, affection, and respect that people from all walks of life have always extended to me. I am certain I will prevail in the end," Warner said.

Warner, a former FIFA vice-president, is accused of 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering and engaging in illegal wire transfers.

The offences are alleged to have taken place in the United States, T&T and other jurisdictions between 1990 and June 2011 when Warner quit FIFA.

He is one of several senior executives of world footballs governing body who were indicted on a series of charges after an investigation into corruption in football, conducted by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Department of Justice (DOJ).

Several of his former colleagues have pleaded guilty to the charges and have been sentenced.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 17, 2022, 10:46:59 PM
At some point, TT politicians must pay for their irresponsible ways. I have never heard of a politician in TT going to jail or having property seized for misdemeanors. Paying lawyers one set ah money knowing full well nothing eh happening. And all of us calling the kettle black. Ah hear a lot of people saying why the US must exert power to get Jack. This time is an exception. Only the small fries does get ketch. Mr. Big always walking free.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on November 18, 2022, 12:35:06 PM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 18, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
Football stakeholders: Warner did a lot for Trinidad and Tobago football
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)


FORMER Strike Squad captain Clayton Morris and former Soca Warriors manager Bruce Aanensen are both saddened, but not surprised, that former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner has lost his challenge to his extradition to the United States to face fraud-related charges. Morris and Aanensen reflected on what Warner meant to Trinidad and Tobago football, saying he contributed to its growth.

On Thursday, five Privy Council judges Lords Hodge, Briggs, Hamblem, Burrows, and Sir Declan Morgan delivered their decision on Warners challenge. The Privy Council held the request for Warners extradition was not unfair.

The decision came just days before the 2022 FIFA World Cup kicks off in Qatar on Sunday. A lot of controversies surrounded the selection of Qatar as World Cup hosts, including bribery, corruption and how construction workers were treated in building stadiums for the event.

The decision on Thursday also came a week after Netflix released the documentary FIFA Uncovered, which highlighted the allegations of corruption in the world football body.

It is always sad when you hear these things about another human being and more so somebody who has been part of your developmentas a youth you look towards senior people, Morris said. I remember as a youth struggling on the Under-19 (TT) team and you hear this name Jack Warner. It was an honour and a privilege to meet this individual in person.

Morris said its unfortunate Warner may have made some wrong decisions.

Mr Warner has contributed to the person I am todaygetting the news this morning (Thursday), I also felt a sort of sadness, a sort of sympathy. At the same time, I remember my Granny saying however you make up your bed is how you expect to sleepyou have to live your life with the end in mind. He has to know what he was involved in. So then he has to know what is expected of him now as he is faced with this situation.

According to the US charge sheet against him, Warner is accused of racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering, and bribery; and allegedly, from the early 1990s, he began to leverage his influence and exploit his official positions for personal gain.

He also allegedly accepted a million-dollar bribe from South African officials in return for voting to award them the 2010 World Cup and allegedly bribed officials with envelopes of cash. Warner, who was also head of Concacaf, was banned from all football activities for life by FIFA.

Aanensen, the Soca Warriors team manager at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, said, This is very unfortunate. My view is that Jack has done a tremendous amount of good for TT football.

Aanensen was not shocked by the news.

It is not surprising, given all the things we have heard about FIFA over the years and how they operate. It is sad that a man like Jack, who has put his whole life into football, at 79 years old, he is being pulled before the courts and he could well go to prison. It is not a nice thought at all. Even if people...may feel he is guilty, you still need to feel a sense of sympathy for the fella. He gave his life to football, at the end of the day.

Aanensen said Warner helped develop football in the Caribbean.

It is only when Jack got in there that he got a lot of football played in the Caribbean and the Concacaf area, which clearly would have improved the standard of football in the Concacaf area. In that regard, he lifted the standard of football by using his influence to get big tournaments in the Caribbean.

Aanensen does not think Warners situation will affect TT football moving forward.

I dont think it is going to have any significant impact on TT footballhe has been out of it for quite some time, and this is really a FIFA-related matterit is not a Trinidad issue as such. It is more a Concacaf and FIFA issue.

Morris said he will continue to wish Warner the best.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on November 20, 2022, 12:40:58 AM
Warner told to face US court if innocent.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).


Embattled former vice president of FIFA Jack Warner is being told to prove his innocence ahead of extradition proceedings for which he seems to have exhausted all his options.

The US has charged Warner with 29 offences of fraud, corruption and money laundering and is seeking to have him extradited to face the courts there. Warner has since challenged the legality of the charges before being dealt a severe blow on Thursday when the Privy Council in the United Kingdom, the countrys highest court of appeal, rejected his attorneys argument that the extradition proceedings were unlawful.

Warner later issued a statement to prove his innocence and vowed to keep up his fight against the extradition. However, friends here ordered Warner, also a former Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and CONCACAF president, to prove his innocence. Former national head coach Edgar Vidale, a winner of this countrys third highest award, who met Warner as a vibrant and inspiring young administrative talent, said he was not taking sides.

Vidale, however, believes the Privy Council has made the right decision.

I was as close to Warner as anybody would have gotten, but I do not agree that he should evade what is happening now. If what he is saying is true, that he did not commit any crime against the USA, then why dont you go to the USA and fight it and prove it to the world? Why are you trying to evade them? He knows he cant do it, Vidale said.

Let us get him to take away the dirty mass that Trinidad has through what is suggested as his sin against everybodyFIFA etc.

Vidale earlier delivered an almost glowing account of Warner as an administrator, saying he made tremendous sacrifices for him and for the sport in T&T including calling then-president Sir Ellis Clarke at midnight to help the team get tickets for a CONCACAF tournament in the USA many years ago.

He noted also that Warner ascended to positions of great power in T&T football because other people in positions of authority, inclusive of former president Oliver Camps, did not do what they were supposed to do.

And this man had the energy to do it for them, he did everything, until they relied on him, so actually, they gave him the power that he had.

And when he realised that he had that kind of power, he became the man, he was the man in charge of everything and he did things that I couldnt understand how he did it, Vidale explained.

Meanwhile, Brent Sancho, the former national defender who rose to world fame when his dreadlocks were pulled by lanky English striker Peter Crouch during a clash between T&T and England during the 2006 World Cup in Germany, told Guardian Media that not even extradition would be the ultimate judge for Warner, but rather when he met his maker.

Quizzed on the assistance provided by Warner in increasing the number of teams in the CONCACAF region now going to the World Cup instead of just one, as well as the help rendered to several players in T&T, Sancho said: You can look at that, but then you can also look at what the residual impact was. Because of some of the stuff that was done, it has now left the situation in tatters. If you start itemising things and try to weigh it up, then the conversation gets very convoluted because, as much as you would say that there were good things that came out, at the same point in time there were some horrific things that impacted a lot of people, including people like myself.

But what I would say, though, is that what has transpired over that period of time has now opened eyes and minds, because within the structures and systems that people put into football, with all the deficiencies and the various things that are wrong and all the things that are good in football.

One thing for sure, that Jack Warner, not necessarily as an individual, but what it has shown is the must for the CFU (Caribbean Football Union) to stick together for the betterment of football in the Caribbean, and not just for personal gain or anything like that, but for the betterment of football because when we are not, as we have seen over the past couple of years, you can see a decline.

Sancho claimed that his career was cut short by Warner because he asked a question.

Valentino Singh, ex-sports journalist and editor, shared a personal relationship with Warner and offered this comment:

There are two sides of Jack Warner that are confronting T&Ta Robin Hood who shared his spoils with the people of Trinidad and Tobago and now an embattled former FIFA executive on 12 charges related to fraud, racketeering, and illegal wire transfers, facing possible extradition to the United States to answer these charges.

Its an indication of what his life was all about, said the former Guardian Media Ltd sports editor who authored two books on the former football administratorUpwards: The Biography of Austin Jack Warner and Jack Warner: Zero to Hero.

The former high-ranking FIFA executive, politician and ex-national security minister under the Peoples Partnership government now newspaper publisher and businessman, Warner, 79, lost the challenge to his extradition at the Privy Council last Thursday.

There have been mixed responses to Warners predicament.

In talking to people in T&T, looking at social media, I am not surprised at the kinds of things that Im seeing. There are a lot of mixed messages. Trinidadians love to hate, Singh lamented.

Referring to Warner as a man who has done things for the downtrodden, Singh said, There was a period in our life where everyone wanted to be associated with Warner, whether it was as him a politician, as a charitable businessman or football administrator.

Singh said that sometimes the politics of this country influences how people think rather than a situation, but he said that he got to know Warner better by doing his biography.

Theres a softer side of him where he does things with a good heart. He likes to help people. However, it does not exclude what happened with FIFA.

FIFA banned Warner from all football-related activities for life in 2015, but Singh said the allegations of corruption during his tenure at FIFA should not be blamed on Warner personally but should be attributed to the organisations weak management and auditing structures.

You have a group of men who got together to manage an organisation in which there were no oversight and accountability mechanisms in place to prevent them from when the temptation came from finding themselves in the situation they found themselves. Now, Warner has found himself possibly extradited to America.

The culture of FIFA was a free for all. If you wanted to do something to benefit you personally, there was nothing that prevented you from that.

Of course, that is no excuse for dishonesty or corruption, Singh said.

Singh defended Warners contribution as a businessman, football administrator and politician to T&T, the region and football over the last few decades.

Many times these positions overlapped. Im saying that you have to take the good with the bad. You cant say that he has done no good for T&T and the Caribbean.

Singh contrasted the state of T&Ts football today to the era in which Warner played a pivotal role in the sports development and concluded that football in T&T is now dead.

Right now, T&T does not even have a proper football league. How many of our players are being exhibited internationally? When Warner was in charge every Monday morning you heard a T&T player getting an opportunity outside T&T for professional football like Dwight Yorke and Russell Latapy.

Giving examples of Warners contribution to football in T&T, he said, Lets look at the Secondary Schools Football League. The places where football matches used to be like the National Stadium and Skinner Park, all of these places are now rundown. But theyre now playing at the Ato Boldon Stadium and Dwight Yorke Stadium and stadiums that Warner built. There is a residual effect of the things he did which were good.

Singh also questioned the lack of will and patriotism of the country to keep Warner from being extradited to the US.

There are other people in other countries being hunted by the FBI, but they have received protection from their respective countries. In T&T, we have not stood behind Warner. If he committed all the crimes that they say he committed, why is he not tried as a citizen here in T&T? Why is America picking him up and carrying him for something he did as a T&T national? The courts in T&T should be the ones running behind him and hunting him down. All other countries protect their citizens, he said.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 20, 2022, 10:50:28 AM
I just want to know what flight dey taking him on.  So ah could reach Piarco with a big red panty to wave him off!!

That day cyar come fast enough!!
 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on November 23, 2022, 01:30:31 AM
Looking forward to doing the biopic on Jack in the coming year..

 :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 24, 2022, 05:14:37 PM
Looking forward to doing the biopic on Jack in the coming year..

 :beermug:

Who you go pick to play Jack?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on December 06, 2022, 06:24:44 PM
Jack Warner's wife to remain in US$37m Concacaf lawsuit over Centre of Excellence
By Jada Loutoo (T&T Newsday)


MAUREEN WARNER, wife of ex-Concacaf president Jack Warner and two of the familys companies will join her husband and others in a US$37.8 million lawsuit against them over the ownership of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence.

Mrs Warner, Renraw Investments Ltd and CCAM and Company Ltd sought to have Concacafs lawsuit against them struck out on the basis that it did not apply to them, as they had no fiduciary duty to the regional football body and the claims were statute-barred, since they related to facts dating back to 1995-2011, when the lawsuit was filed in 2016.

However, in a ruling on Monday, Justice Robin Mohammed dismissed the application by the three. He also set February 2 for a case-management conference so that directions can be given to progress the matter to trial.

In the claim, Concacaf contends that Warner, his wife and the companies were involved in a conspiracy to misappropriate Concacaf funds which were allocated to construct the facility, by misrepresenting that the facility was actually owned by Concacaf.

Concacaf also listed accountant Kenny Rampersad and his company as parties to the claim, as it contended that he had a conflict of interest by serving as the accountant for both Concacaf and the companies.

Rampersad contended that he provided secretarial services to the companies and claimed he did not owe Concacaf any fiduciary duty, as he merely served as an auditor.

In defence of the claim, Warner, who served as Concacaf president between 1990 and 2011, said he could not recall facts surrounding the deal, owing to Concacaf's delay in bringing the claim. He also denied that he and his wife had a controlling interest in the companies and challenged the arrangement as he denied that he misappropriated funds.

Mrs Warner contended she was never involved in the financing of the project.

Concacaf also filed similar proceedings against Warner in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York.

In July 2019, Concacaf obtained a US$20 million default judgment against Warner after he failed to attend hearings of the case or send legal representation.

Judge William F c**tz entered judgement against Warner, who is facing extradition to the US in a separate criminal case.

Last month, Warner lost his challenge to his extradition to face a barrage of charges of racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering, and bribery; and allegedly, from the early 1990s, he "began to leverage his influence and exploit his official positions for personal gain."

He also allegedly accepted a million-dollar bribe from South African officials in return for voting to award them the 2010 World Cup, and allegedly bribed officials with envelopes of cash.

In its US lawsuit, Concacaf alleged Warner victimised the body, stealing and defrauding it out of tens of millions of dollars in brazen acts of corruption. It sought US$20 million in compensatory damages and unspecified punitive damages, which included the cost of the Centre of Excellence, in Macoya, which is also the focus of the separate claim before Mohammed.

The lucrative property features a swimming complex, restaurants, a hotel, conference facilities, a gym and the Marvin Lee Stadium.

Issues over ownership of the property arose after Concacaf instituted an investigation into Warner and former president Chuck Blazer. That investigation was three years before the two were implicated in the US investigations into corruption at Fifa, for which Warner has been indicted by a grand jury.

Warner and the companies were represented by Senior Counsel Fyard Hosein, Sasha Bridgemohansingh and Anil Maraj. Rishi Dass and Maria Narinesingh are representing Warner's wife. Concacaf was represented by Jonathan Walker and Cherie Gopie.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Controversial on December 06, 2022, 06:44:46 PM
Looking forward to doing the biopic on Jack in the coming year..

 :beermug:

Who you go pick to play Jack?

Definitely Lennie James
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on December 20, 2022, 02:02:53 PM
Warner: I'm paying a price for the best World Cup ever
By Sean Douglas (T&T Newsday)


FORMER FIFA vice president Jack Warner hailed Argentina's World Cup victory on Sunday and said the tournament was so successful that he was clearly vindicated over its award to Qatar.

He spoke to Newsday an hour after Argentina beat France in the finals, 4-2 on penalties, after a 3-3 tie after extra time.

In 2010, Fifa's executive committee voted 14-8 for Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup ahead of bids by the US, South Korea, Japan and Australia and for Russia to host the 2018 tournament ahead of England, Spain-Portugal and Holland-Belgium.

Some voices in the international media criticised the choice of Qatar, complaining it was a small nation of two million people, located in the Middle East, and lacking a long history of football.

Concerns were raised about the hot climate, a ban on alcohol in stadia, LGBT rights and lack of football infrastructure.

Amid allegations of Qatari bribes for hosting rights, the US Department of Justice indicted Warner in 2015 on allegations of wire fraud, racketeering and money laundering, and is seeking to extradite him. Qatar World Cup organisers and Warner have denied any wrongdoing, instead claiming sour grapes by the US for not getting to host the 2022 tournament.

As the World Cup ended dramatically on Sunday, there have been rave reviews as fans enjoyed a month of upsets, exciting matches, underdogs succeeding and classic goals.

Warner said his decision to support Qatar's bid had been proven right, but he was personally now paying a high price for it.

"All I'm prepared to say is although I contributed to having the World Cup in Qatar for which I've paid a very dear price today nobody stood up for my defence and said I did the correct thing.

"The football tournament has justified that what I did was correct. The World Cup has to be expanded to other areas besides Europe and South America.

"I have been pilloried for that and have been victimised and am paying a price before the courts.

"I stand by my decision. I want to say it was the best World Cup FIFA has had in its history. I want to congratulate Argentina, but also equally (Lionel) Messi (Argentina captain) and (Kylian) Mbappe (Golden Boot winner)."

Why was it the best World Cup ever?

Warner said, "In terms of the quality of the matches, the fact it was incident-free, the fact that the standard of refereeing was very high, and at the end of the day it also exposed some of the emerging countries like Croatia (four million population) and Morocco (World Cup semifinalists). They were exposed to a high level of football.

"I feel, all in all, the winner of this World Cup is football."

Warner delved further into the decision to award Qatar hosting rights.

"The World Cup has never gone to a Muslim country or an Arab country in its history. I felt the time had come for an Arab country to be given the World Cup, and not only an Arab country but one of the richest Arab countries today. They can do it more than another person can.

"So I was strong in my belief, it was the correct thing to do.

"I want to repeat: today both the US and UK have me pay a price for that decision, but I stand by it.

"A lot of people have been calling me now to congratulate me. A lot. Hundreds of people have been calling to congratulate me.

"But I don't recall any of them standing for me publicly when I was being pilloried by the powers that be."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on June 27, 2023, 05:11:21 AM
Jack is going nowhere - Extradition on hold
By Donstan Bonn (T&T Express)


Former FIFA vice-president Austin 'Jack' Warner received a lifeline on his extradition to the United States of America, to stand trial for alleged criminal offences, when the Magistrates Court ruled on Monday that the questions raised by Warner in an application pursuant to Section 14 (4) of the Constitution, should be determined by the High Court.

Following a Privy Council judgment on November 17 last year, which ruled against Warners case for his extradition to the US be denied on the grounds of violation of his constitutional rights and procedural unfairness, he filed an application with the local court in keeping with Section 14 (4), which states, where in any proceeding in any court other than the High Court or the Court of Appeal, any question arises as to the contravention of any of the provisions of this chapter, the person presiding in that court (Magistrates Court) may and shall give the party or any party to the proceeding so request, refer the question to the High Court unless in his opinion the raising of the question is merely frivolous or vexatious.

Attorney General Reginald Armour, SC, noted this section of the Constitution provides a corridor of opportunity which allows to a person in the circumstances of Warner, to get access to due process even after an applicant like Warner has been before the High Court, Court of Appeal, and before the Privy Council and lost in all instances as was the case with Warner.

Armour, who was speaking during a press conference on Monday, noted that following the Privy Councils judgment on November 17, Warner raised a number of questions in a judicial review application.

Two of the arguments which were raised by Warner at the Privy Council were arguments known as the specialty arguments-a particular process under extradition proceedings, which is to say that the Attorney General of the State from whom extradition is requested, will sign off on a certificate and will authorize the authority to proceed for the extradition proceedings to continue according to law, Armour said

He said Warners position was that the specialty argument had been violated in that there was no consistency between the offences for which the United States of America wished to extradite him, consistent with the laws of Trinidad and Tobago, because of different arrangements between the treaty to which the United States is party and the domestic law of Trinidad and Tobago, the Extradition Act.

That specialty argument failed and the certificate by which Warners extradition would arise, was upheld by the Privy Council in its ruling on November 17, and the Privy Council ruled that the extradition on that ground, could proceed.

He said another argument Warner had raised before Justice (James) Aboud, which failed at the High Court, Court of Appeal and at the Privy Council, was that he had not been given rights of fair procedure.

Subsequent to the decision of the Privy Council, Warner proceeded to file his application pursuant to Section 14 (4) of the Constitution on March 3, and he listed a number of questions which had to do with the fact that his rights under the Constitution have been violated by the continued efforts of the United States as the requesting State, to have the Government of Trinidad and Tobago extradite him to the USA to stand trial there.

That application was supported by an affidavit of Mr Warner. There was no other evidence on that application. No other parties filed any evidence, and really, the question as set out in Section 14 (4), was whether Mr Warner had raised issues that required the High Court to address a violation of his constitution rights in accordance with due process.

Armour said the only basis on which the Chief magistrate could have declined to accede to Warners application was if she found that the arguments raised by Warner were frivolous and vexatious.

This morning, the Chief magistrate ruled that the questions were not frivolous and vexatious in respect of Mr Warners complaint on the specialty argument, on procedural unfairness, and therefore she has referred those questions to the High Court for the High Court to determine the constitutionality of the request of the United States of America, to extradite Mr Warner to the United States to stand trial on a number of serious criminal offences.

The Chief Magistrate went on to make findings of facts which disturbed me, and I say that with all due respect, because all that was before her was the affidavit of Mr Warner, and no evidence from any of the parties and no cross examination of anybody at all. And Ive been in touch since the decision was handed down this morning, with the legal teams representing the Attorney General and the United States of America.

He noted that he has spoken with Pamela Elder, SC, one of the lead counsels for the State, and she gave the assurance that she will be meeting with the legal team to review, with some concern, the decision of the Chief Magistrate in so far as it appears theres justification for the findings of fact which the Chief Magistrate permitted herself to arrive at.

Armour said following the meeting of the legal team, he will meet with them to solicit advice on the steps the Government must take to continue to insist on all persons coming before the court so that justice could be done, to continue to adhere to due process, and in due course, to get the full determination of the High Court, the Supreme Court of Trinidad and Tobago, on Warners several applications.

On May 27, 2015, the United States requested the extradition of Warner to face corruption charges. Following his defeat at the Privy Council, Warner vowed to continue fighting the extradition request.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on June 27, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
Magistrate puts Warner's extradition on hold, slams ex-AG
By Jada Loutoo (T&T Newsday)

Former FIFA vice president Jack Warner will be allowed to take his latest legal challenge to the High Court in his battle against extradition to the US to face a multiplicity of corruption-related charges.

In a ruling on Monday, Chief Magistrate Maria Busby Earle-Caddle said the seven questions Warner had raised were legally grounded and had merit.

She was also critical of the actions of the State, and those of the US.

Warner is now challenging the constitutionality of an alleged agreement former attorney general Faris Al-Rawi signed with the US in 2015 before he signed off on the authority for the chief magistrate to go ahed with extradition proceedings for Warner.

Warners argument relates to the arrangement between the US and TT for extradition and the speciality principle which, by law, provides that a person who is extradited can be prosecuted or sentenced in the requesting state only in relation to the offences for which extradition was granted, and not for any other crime allegedly committed before the extradition took place.

Earle-Caddle said the actions of the then attorney general (AG) lacked consistency.

She said the agreement should be in writing to ensure the requirements of the Extradition Act were adhered to, and only then can the AG sign the certificate to move forward with the extradition.

Al-Rawi, in his authority to proceed, certified there was an arrangement with the US.

"There appears to be colossal misrepresentation on behalf of the team by AG and the requesting state (the US)."

Warners latest legal challenge was prompted by a freedom of information request for the alleged special arrangement. He received a response from the Office of the AG saying a search of its Central Authority's records had not uncovered a written version of the arrangements.

Earle-Caddle said Warners application was not frivolous or vexatious, and referred Warners questions to the High Court for its immediate attention.

She further questioned, "How does one certify something that is possibly nonexistent? Is this the new norm where this is a flagrant disregard for what is right? Is this the presumption of regularity that ordinary citizens must now accept? A regularity of whatever is expedient? Surely not a rubber-stamping inimical to the protections guaranteed by our legislation and Constitution.

She emphasised that the law was clear, as the extradition process involved the liberty of citizens.

"The end result of extradition is the deprivation of a person's liberty and subjection to a foreign jurisdiction. It is of paramount importance that any process which supports taking away that freedom must adhere strictly to the legal requirements."

She said entering into an agreement was intended to protect those rights.

Earle-Caddle said the burden was on the US to ensure that the speciality agreement was in place, and its absence may result in a breach of a citizen's rights.

Warner argued that in his case there was none, and the Chief Magistrate said she was inclined to agree. She said there appeared to be uncertainty that the arrangement existed.

Earle-Caddle maintained it was the statutory duty of the Attorney General to ensure the protection of citizens' rights.

"There must be a written copy of the arrangement in existence."

She said a diplomatic note was "surreptitiously" included by the State in its response to Warners application to give an ex-post-facto (after the fact) assurance that the speciality requirement will be observed if Warner is sent to the US to face the charges there.

She said this February 28, 2023, note did not negate the absence of an arrangement that should have been prepared in 2015, but lent credence to the apparent non-existence of the arrangement.

"A written arrangement is required along with the authority to proceed."

She also said Warners latest challenge bore no similarity to his previous one, nor was it an abuse of the courts process.

She also said the written agreement was a pre-condition to the authority to proceed, and in the absence of one, there appeared to be a colossal misrepresentation by the team representing the State. This, she said, must be examined and, if true, condemned.

Earle-Caddle said the adducing of false representations by an executive arm of the State that had the proclivity to breach the fundamental rights of our citizens can be likened to abuse and needs to be interrogated by the High Court not only for the benefit of the octogenarian or politically-sensitive person but the benefit of all citizens regardless of economic and social status, colour, creed, race or sporting interest.

She also said, An attorney general was expected to come to the court with clean hands to ensure that the legal process was not compromised and to maintain the public trust and confidence in the legal system.

The questions raised will be referred to the High Court forthwith, she ruled as she adjourned the extradition proceedings before her to January 22, 2024, pending the decision of the High Court.

Warners application to have the chief magistrate refer his questions to the High Court was made in February, which was the first after extradition proceedings resumed after the Privy Councils ruling on his challenge in November last year.

On November 17, 2022, the Privy Council paved the way for the continuation of the proceedings to extradite Warner to the US to face fraud-related charges. The London court held that the USs request for Warners extradition was not unfair.

The proceedings in the local court were stalled when Waner, the former FIFA jefe, challenged the process by which the extradition proceedings against him were carried out and sought to quash the authority to proceed (ATP) signed by the Attorney General in September 2015. This was after the US asked for him to be extradited to face 29 charges of fraud, corruption and money laundering. The request was made on July 24, 2015.

After the 2015 general election, Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi offered to allow Warner to make representations, but only on the condition the deadline for receipt of the ATP would be extended with his consent.

Warner refused to agree to the condition. His attorneys argued he was not given sufficient time to make representations, nor was he given disclosures of any evidence the US intended to use to secure his extradition.

The ATP gave the magistrate the green light to begin committal proceedings.

Warner is represented by Fyard Hosein, SC, Sasha Bridgemohansingh, Anil Maraj and Aadam Hosein. Appearing for ASP Alleyne, who is acting on the request of the US, are James Lewis, KC, Douglas Mendes, SC, Pamela Elder, SC, Ravi Rajcoomar, SC, Netram Kowlessar and Ryan Rajcoomar.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2023, 11:59:00 AM
On November 17, 2022, the Privy Council paved the way for the continuation of the proceedings to extradite Warner to the US to face fraud-related charges. The London court held that the USs request for Warners extradition was not unfair.

This is a real joke. When the PC make a judgement against the TT gov't, the gov't should adhere to that decision because it is the court of final appeal. So why now this judge think the PC is wrong this time. Should they not heed to the PC final decision. If, let's say Rowley had done that, it would be chaos. The legal mafia of TT.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2023, 03:14:24 PM
On November 17, 2022, the Privy Council paved the way for the continuation of the proceedings to extradite Warner to the US to face fraud-related charges. The London court held that the USs request for Warners extradition was not unfair.

This is a real joke. When the PC make a judgement against the TT gov't, the gov't should adhere to that decision because it is the court of final appeal. So why now this judge think the PC is wrong this time. Should they not heed to the PC final decision. If, let's say Rowley had done that, it would be chaos. The legal mafia of TT.

The deficiency on the table is a procedural one, not a substantive one.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on November 30, 2023, 01:54:36 PM
Jack Warner's wife to face judge in US$37m Concacaf lawsuit over Centre of Excellence
By Jada Loutoo (T&T Newsday)


MAUREEN WARNER, wife of ex-Concacaf president Jack Warner, and two of the familys companies will join her husband and others in a US$37.8 million lawsuit against them over the ownership of the Dr Joao Havelange Centre of Excellence.

Mrs Warner, Renraw Investments Ltd and CCAM and Company Ltd sought to have Concacafs lawsuit against them struck out on the basis that it did not apply to them, as they had no fiduciary duty to the regional football body and the claims were statute-barred, since they related to facts dating back to 1995-2011 when the lawsuit was filed in 2016.

In December 2022, Justice Robin Mohammed dismissed the application by the three. Mrs Warner and the two companies appealed, and on Wednesday, Justices of Appeal Allan Mendonca and James Aboud dismissed their complaints.

The trial against the appellants should be allowed to proceed, was the ruling of the Appeal Court.

Aboud, who wrote the unanimous decision, said, The trial judge essentially decided that no determination could be made at that early stage as to the liability of the appellants without first considering all of the evidence.

The decision by the trial judge to defer making any determination on these issues until the trial, and after he had heard the full evidence so as to understand what role the appellants played in the transaction and to understand the appropriate context and meaning of their actions, was, in my opinion, both sensible and practical as a case-management decision.

This was a proper exercise of his function and case-management discretion. The appellants have failed to demonstrate that the exercise of the trial judges case management discretion was erroneous or plainly wrong.

In its substantive claim, Concacaf contends that Warner, his wife and the companies were involved in a conspiracy to misappropriate Concacaf funds, which were allocated to construct the facility, by misrepresenting that the facility was owned by Concacaf.

The football body alleged Warner defrauded Concacaf of some US$33 million and, in doing so, breached his fiduciary duties by diverting its funds to the companies he and his wife had a controlling interest in or were the controlling minds.

Concacaf also listed an accountant and his company as parties to the claim, as it contended that he had a conflict of interest by serving as the accountant for both Concacaf and the companies.

In defence of the claim, Warner, who served as Concacaf president between 1990 and 2011, said he could not recall facts surrounding the deal, owing to Concacaf's delay in bringing the claim. He also denied that he and his wife had a controlling interest in the companies and challenged the arrangement as he denied that he misappropriated funds.

Mrs Warner contended she was never involved in the financing of the project. Aboud said there was no allegation she had any direct relationship with Concacaf, fiduciary or otherwise.

She is being sued by Concacaf for holding shares in companies which they claim were owned or obtained as a result of a breach of trust by her husband and co-shareholder/director, Mr Warner.

He also said Concacaf did not need to go beyond its pleadings, which alleged that Mr and Mrs Warner were the controlling minds or alter egos of the corporate companies.

Their state of mind is unknown at this preliminary stage of the proceedings, and the trial judge cannot be said to be plainly wrong to defer his decision to pierce the corporate veil until the trial.

He also pointed out that the crux of Concacafs case related to the construction and development of the Centre of Excellence, an impressive property that includes a large, covered auditorium or convention venue, a playing field and stadium, and a hotel, and the acquisition of the lands upon which it was built using Concacaf funds.

The owners of the three parcels of land on which the COE was constructed with Concacaf funds are the corporate appellants.

The judge also outlined in detail the Concacaf allegations against the Warners and the companies and said the self-described strangers were not strangers to Mr Warner but were more closely affiliated as Concacafs pleadings suggest.

According to Concacafs pleadings, the relationship between the appellants and Mr Warner was more interconnected, incestuous, and mutually rewarding. Mrs Warner was a shareholder/director of the corporate appellants that received the funds.

The corporate appellants are alleged to have been a cover for Mr Warner to surreptitiously facilitate, through companies under the control of himself and Mrs Warner, the acquisition of the lands upon which the COE was eventually constructed with Concacaf funds.

The facts of their participation in a breach of trust have not yet been interrogated at a trial, Aboud said as he dismissed the procedural appeals.

The matter will now return to the judge for case management.

Mrs Warner was represented by attorneys Rishi Dass, SC, and Marina Narinesingh. The companies were represented by Fyard Hosein, SC, Sasha Bridgemohansingh, Aadam Hosein and Anil Mararaj. Attorneys Jonathan Walker and Cherie Gopie represented Concacaf.

Concacaf also filed similar proceedings against Warner in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York.

In July 2019, Concacaf obtained a US$20 million default judgment against Warner after he failed to attend hearings of the case or send legal representation.

Judge William F c**tz entered judgment against Warner, who is facing extradition to the US in a separate criminal case.

In November 2022, Warner lost his challenge to his extradition to face a barrage of charges of racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering, and bribery, and allegedly, from the early 1990s, he "began to leverage his influence and exploit his official positions for personal gain."

He also allegedly accepted a million-dollar bribe from South African officials in return for voting to award them the 2010 World Cup and allegedly bribed officials with envelopes of cash.

In June, he received the go-ahead from the Chief Magistrate to take his latest legal challenge to the High Court. Warner has complained about the constitutionality of an alleged agreement former attorney general Faris Al-Rawi signed with the US in 2015 before he signed off on the authority for the chief magistrate to go ahead with the extradition trial.

Soon after the ruling by Chief Magistrate Maria Busby Earle-Caddle, Attorney General Reginald Armour, SC, said he was disturbed by the ruling.

In its US lawsuit, Concacaf alleged Warner victimised the body, stealing and defrauding it out of tens of millions of dollars in brazen acts of corruption. It sought US$20 million in compensatory damages and unspecified punitive damages, which included the cost of the Centre of Excellence in Macoya, which is also the focus of the separate claim before Mohammed.

The lucrative property features a swimming complex, restaurants, a hotel, conference facilities, a gym and the Marvin Lee Stadium.

Issues over ownership of the property arose after Concacaf instituted an investigation into Warner and former president Chuck Blazer. That investigation was three years before the two were implicated in the US investigations into corruption at Fifa, for which Warner has been indicted by a grand jury.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 30, 2023, 07:41:50 PM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on February 03, 2024, 11:21:24 PM
Nightmare is over: Warner welcomes US Supreme Court FIFA ruling
By Rickie Ramdass (T&T Express)


FORMER FIFA vice-president Austin Jack Warner says he has no doubt that the nightmare brought upon him by the United States government, which accused him of bribery, money laundering and other fraud-related crimes during his time as an executive of footballs governing body, is now over.

His comment came following a ruling in the United States Supreme Court last week Friday in which the court held that prosecutors in the US overreached their boundaries when they applied laws of the United States to groups of people, many of them being foreign nationals, who allegedly defrauded FIFA, another foreign organisation, with its headquarters based in Switzerland.

My lawyers have told me that my nightmare is over and I have every reason to believe what they have said. They are now working to pursue the matter further to see what redress I am entitled to. They have told me that my nightmare is over because the Supreme Court is not a court that you can appeal against. It is the final court in the US, Warner said yesterday.

He was speaking during an interview on radio station i95.5FM, with sports commentator Andre Baptiste.

The radio station is a member of One Caribbean Media (OCM), which also includes the Express and CCN TV6.

The New York Times reported on January 27 that the Supreme Court last year limited a law that was key to the FIFA case. Last September, a federal judge, citing that law, threw out the convictions of two defendants linked to football corruption.

Now, several former football officials at FIFA, including some who paid millions of dollars in penalties and served time in prison, are arguing that the bribery schemes for which they were convicted are no longer considered a crime in the United States.

They are now seeking to have all their fines repaid, and also be compensated for the time they were made to spend in prison.

Overstepping boundaries

During the interview with Baptiste yesterday, Warner said he always knew that the US government was over-stepping its boundaries.

I am in full agreement with the Supreme Court matter. I always knew that the US was wrong to attack and destroy FIFA and destroy peoples lives and so on just because they did not get a World Cup venue. It is utterly ridiculous for people to be imprisoned and to be charged being a member of a private organisation as FIFA and to be charged by the US government for what they did or did not do to stay in FIFA.

I always knew that was an overreach, (an) overkill and I think the Supreme Court has justified what my thoughts have been in the matter, said Warner.

Warner is currently facing extradition proceedings in this country to be sent to the United States to face the criminal charges he allegedly committed.

The proceedings are expected to come up for hearing sometime later this month in the Port of Spain Eighth Magistrates Court.

However, given the ruling of the US Supreme Court, the extradition warrant that was issued by the US government in 2015 may be discontinued.

I am feeling relieved. My life has been destroyed, my familys life has been destroyed and I have spent tonnes of money on this matter. All I did was to tell FIFA that it is time to change the paradigm of giving the World Cup to Europe and South America. I said to them, just go to the Middle East.

It is this that has caused me to be where I am today. The irony is that people in the Middle East, thanks to my efforts and others, Qatar (which hosted the World Cup in 2022) has produced one of the best World Cups this world has ever seen. So, I feel vindicated in a sense for what I have done, but the price that I have paid for that is overbearing, said Warner.

He added that another issue he wanted to raise was the millions of dollars of taxpayers funds the State had spent paying attorneys to have him extradited to the United States.

The US government wants to have me extradited to the US, then the US should engage lawyers here and spend their own money and not taxpayers money of which part is mine.

Here you have a government of Trinidad and Tobago spending taxpayers money to try to get a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago sent to the US.

Warner said his attorneys had sent a Freedom of Information (FOI) request to the Office of the Attorney General to determine exactly how much funds had been dispensed to attorneys up to the date of the request to have him extradited.

The State, he said, only provided some of the information.

It revealed that at least $7.5 million had been spent.

They said they could not release the rest of information. That has forced us to take the AG to court and we have engaged the AG in the matter because we feel that a full revelation must be made to the people of this country of what the Government has spent on a trial to get its citizen extradited to another country, said Warner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: kounty on February 04, 2024, 07:28:54 AM
haha! uncle Jack, boy! Welcome back!
Still time for you to run as Concacaf & TTFF ultimate nuanced counselor... or whatever title u see fit!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 04, 2024, 03:15:19 PM
AG Armour: Warner has matters before the courts.
By Clint Chan Tack (T&T Newsday).


ATTORNEY General Reginald Armour, SC, said former FIFA vice-president Jack Warner still has matters before the local courts.

Armour made this comment on Saturday in response to statements made by Warner during a radio interview on February 1 about the rulings of the US Supreme Court and a lower court to throw out the convictions of two defendants linked to football corruption in September last year.

In a WhatsApp response, Armour said, "Mr Warner has active, ongoing matters before the courts of Trinidad and Tobago and I do not propose to engage in public commentary on any of his matters."

Warner still has challenges before the magistrates' court to extradition proceedings related to corruption charges against him when he was FIFA vice-president.

The matter has been adjourned to March 1 for a status update since his attorneys are expected to file the section 14 referral claim in the High Court.

Warners argument relates to the arrangement between the US and Trinidad and Tobago for extradition and the specialty principle which, by law, provides that a person who is extradited can be prosecuted or sentenced in the requesting state only in relation to the offences for which extradition was granted, and not for any other crime allegedly committed before the extradition took place.

According to a January 27, 2024 New York Times article, these rulings cast doubt on the legal basis for a host of prosecutions surrounding those involved in scandals coming out of the December 2015 raids on FIFA officials in Zurich, Switzerland.

In June 2011, Warner, who was then provisionally suspended by the world football governing body for alleged corruption, resigned from all his international football posts.

Warner was one of 14 top FIFA officials and corporate executives to be accused of corruption, fraud and money laundering while he was FIFA vice-president.

In 2015, Warner was indicted in 29 charges of corruption in the US. In the radio interview, Warner said the courts ruling to toss the convictions of an ex-21st Century Fox executive and sports marketing company on corruption charges in a case involving FIFA has him feeling relieved.

That September case, according to the New York Times, in which the two defendants benefited from two recent Supreme Court rulings that had rejected federal prosecutors application of the law at play in the soccer cases and offered rare guidance on what is known as honest services fraud.

The defendants in the soccer trial had been found to have engaged in bribery that deprived organisations outside the US of their employees honest services, which constituted fraud at the time. But the judge ruled that the courts new guidance meant that those actions were no longer prohibited under American law.

Warner said, "My lawyers have told me that my nightmare is over, and I have every reason to believe what they are saying. And they are now working to pursue the matter further to what redress I am entitled to."

On November 17, 2022, the Privy Council paved the way for the continuation of the proceedings to extradite Warner to the US to face the charges. The London-based court held that the US request for Warners extradition was not unfair.

The proceedings in the local court were stalled when Warner challenged the process by which the extradition proceedings against him were carried out and sought to quash the authority to proceed (ATP) signed by the Attorney General in September 2015.

This was after the US asked for him to be extradited to face 29 charges of fraud, corruption and money laundering. The request was made on July 24, 2015.

After the September 7, 2015 general election, then attorney general Faris Al-Rawi offered to allow Warner to make representations, but only on condition, the deadline for receipt of the ATP would be extended with his consent.

Warner refused to agree to the condition. His attorneys argued he was not given sufficient time to make representations, nor was he given disclosures of any evidence the US intended to use to secure his extradition.

The ATP gave the magistrate the green light to begin committal proceedings.

The US Department of Justice claims that from as far back as 1990, Warner leveraged his influence and exploited his official positions for personal gain. He is accused of receiving US$5 million in bribes to vote for Russia to host the 2018 World Cup.

Extradition proceedings against Warner are yet to begin.

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