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Title: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royalian on January 18, 2006, 09:35:36 PM
FIFA distances itself from Warner.
By Lasana Liburd (Express).


FIFA eyes Simpaul's

FIFA, the world governing body for football, continues to distance itself from the business dealings of its own vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) president Jack Warner after revealing that Simpaul's Travel Company's 2006 World Cup ticket package was improper according to its guidelines.
Simpaul's Travel-which is owned by Warner, his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Darryl-is offering a World Cup package including match tickets but exclusive of airfare for $30,000 each. Its advertisement reads "Ticket or leave it".
However, FIFA press officer John Schumacher said that Simpaul's package might be improper according to laws governing ticket issued to Participating Member Associations (PMA) like Trinidad and Tobago.
"Packaging tickets with other services is not permitted," said Schumacher, via e-mail.
This is addressed in Article 3.7 of Exhibit B (FIFA Regulations relating to Tickets) of the Participating Member Association (PMA) Ticketing Allocation Agreement (TAA), which states:
"Tickets may not be sold as a part of a package, or made available on the condition that other product(s) and/or service(s), including without limitation, catering, accommodation and/or transportation, are also purchased."
Schumacher explained that newly appointed auditors, Ernst & Young, would investigate to ensure "transparency and correctness in all aspects of FIFA World Cup ticketing".
"It would be premature to speculate as to any disciplinary actions concerned with breaches of the TAAs," wrote Schumacher, "as we in the Media Department are not in a position to pre-judge something that would be a matter for the relevant body to decide upon, after careful consideration of all the facts."
The FIFA Media Department refuted the claim by Warner that the T&TFF did know how many tickets they were allocated for local fans wishing to attend matches at the 2006 World Cup in Germany.
"At this point in time, no one in T&T really knows, except perhaps a creature called Liburd who in T&T will get World Cup tickets, what quantity they will receive or the criteria which will be used in the determination of ticket allocation," Warner said at a press conference on January 3, 2006.
FIFA insisted that the T&TFF have known otherwise for the past three months.
"The Participating Member Associations (PMAs) received the Ticketing Allocation Agreement (TAA) in November 2005," wrote Schumacher.
Andreas Herren, the head of FIFA's media department, also denied the assertion by T&TFF press officer Shaun Fuentes that I was blacklisted by FIFA or that the international body played any role in denying accreditation.
"We've been advised by FIFA that (Liburd) would not be accredited to FIFA tournaments," Fuentes told the Express on Thursday. "Apparently he's in their black book, I can't say for sure."
Herren admitted that English writer Andrew Jennings was declared "persona non grata" after "various allegations levelled at FIFA and its President". But he insisted that FIFA has not made any such decision as regarding any other writer.
"Please note that FIFA does not have a black book nor ever had one," said Herren, via e-mail. "One journalist (Andrew Jennings whom as I understand you know) was declared persona non grata for FIFA events a few years ago...Otherwise, all journalists and photographers are eligible to apply for accreditation in accordance with the procedures...
"FIFA does not at all make the call to which journalist/photographer the accreditations are allotted nor do we issue any advice in this respect to the associations."

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FIFA eyes Simpaul's - World Cup ticket mystery intensifies.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


A minor adjustment on the website of Simpaul's Travel has raised eyebrows internationally as FIFA acknowledged the issue regarding Trinidad and Tobago's distribution of 2006 World Cup tickets earlier this week.
Simpaul's website now states that "match tickets are not included" in its $30,000 2006 World Cup package and must be sourced "directly from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation or via the FIFA website". The price of the travel company's package was also reduced to $27,000.
The change came after FIFA announced the appointment of Ernst & Young as "independent external auditors to monitor and evaluate the overall ticketing project for the 2006 World Cup". The decision from the world governing body, on January 13, came ten days after Warner's public response to the three part series published in the Express on December 25, 26 and 27, which highlighted an apparent lack of transparency within the T&TFF concerning its sale of tickets and its relationship with special adviser and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, the owner of Simpaul's Travel.
The auditing firm's remit includes a whole range of technical and ethical issues, which, while not illegal, contravenes the spirit of FIFA's anti-profiteering message on tickets.
However, the Express contacted Simpaul's Travel on Tuesday and was told that the $30,000 package remained and they still possessed World Cup tickets. When asked to explain the change on their website, a sales representative suggested that Simpaul's had sold out its "internet quota".
It is uncertain whether FIFA, who were initially pleased with Simpaul's updated website, would be satisfied with this explanation.
England's Independent newspaper enquired from FIFA press officer John Schumacher as to whether Simpaul's Travel might be a case study for Ernst & Young and was told to take another look at the company's website.
The Independent was one of dozens of international media houses which include Fox Sports World, the Los Angeles Times, the Berliner Zeitung, England's Daily Mail, CNN, Sports Illustrated and India's Statesman to seize upon the Trinidad Express' three part series highlighting an apparent lack of transparency within the T&TFF concerning its sale of tickets and its relationship with Warner.
Independent writer Nick Harris confirmed, as did the Express, that Simpaul's website was misleading since it was still in the business of selling World Cup tickets as part of a package deal.
Company sales executive Natasha Simmons was quoted in the Independent as confirming that the company's package remained unaltered. When contacted by the Express, though, Simmons said she was not authorised to speak on the matter. Project coordinator Gerald Baptiste could not be reached for comment.
The mystery surrounding the supplier of Simpaul's tickets can potentially lead to a further scandal.
Warner initially told a local press gathering on December 14, 2005, that Simpaul's was the only guaranteed seller of World Cup tickets and had paid $500,000 for this right. The Express calculated, conservatively, that Simpaul could rake in upwards of $50 million on ticket sales. The Independent insisted that Warner's family company would make at least double that amount.
On January 3, Warner changed his tune and claimed that Simpaul's tickets were acquired through an unnamed European tour operator and the T&TFF were still to receive their ticket allocation.
FIFA's website did not suggest how this was possible from a legal and ethical standpoint.
According to FIFA, the "only potential source for general public tickets" was the 2006 FIFA World Cup Ticketing Centre (FWCTC) and the various member associations like the T&TFF. Member associations who are unable to distribute their quota of tickets are instructed to return them to FIFA rather than sell them on to private companies. Corporate sponsors are also bound by FIFA guidelines as regards tickets received for promotional competitions.
Warner further claimed, on January 3, that Simpaul's Travel "has been the official tour operator for the T&TFF since the 1994 World Cup Final". It is uncertain whether Ernst & Young might also be asked to look into those claims.
T&TFF president Oliver Camps, who claimed to be gagged from talking to the press and pleaded ignorance of Warner's involvement with Simpaul's last month, has again refused comment.
"I have nothing to say about the World Cup tickets," said Camps, on Tuesday. "You can use whatever statement was issued in the past. I have nothing to say at this point."
However, a T&TFF clerk explained that the local body stopped taking requests for tickets from the public last week. The clerk, who claimed to be unaware of how many tickets were available, suggested that the Express call back next week for a possible update.
The FIFA website stated that "each Member Association is entitled to commence ticket sales immediately upon confirmation of its qualification for the finals of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany".
Trinidad and Tobago booked a place in the 2006 World Cup finals on November 16, 2005.
FIFA blanks Liburd - After football ticket expose.
By: Gregory Lal-Beharie (Express).
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Sports writer Lasana Liburd who put FIFA vice- president Jack Warner on the spot has been denied accreditation for the World Cup finals by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF).
Liburd has written a three-part series that exposed Warner's ownership of the Simpaul Travel Agency which has been granted exclusive rights to Trinidad and Tobago's quota of World Cup tickets.
In a letter to the Express Newspapers dated January 10, T&TFF media officer David Lamy advised that another Express reporter and a photographer had been duly accredited but was silent on the request made for Liburd by Editor-at-Large Keith Smith.
Liburd's articles on December 25, 26 and 27 queried the conflict of interest between the Warner family's ownership of Simpaul and its resulting control of high-priced World Cup packages.
The T&TFF's non-accreditation of Liburd means he will be denied access to the media box at the World Cup and access to training sessions for the team at the match venue. He would also not be able to attend post-match media conferences.
T&TFF communications officer Shaun Fuentes said they were limited to recommending 21 reporters and five photographers from the country for accreditation.
"We had to give preference for those who we know have been true supporters of the football team throughout the campaign before anyone else who is now requesting accreditation", was his explanation.
Fuentes however suggested that Liburd was suffering the wrath of FIFA: "We've been advised by FIFA that he would not be accredited to FIFA tournaments. Apparently he's in their black book, I can't say for sure."
Lamy who signed the correspondence to the Express refused comment on Liburd's accreditation denial.
"I don't have to tell you that. That's internal. That's Mr Warner's business. Anything like that you ask him. I have to report to him, not to you or anybody else."
Attempts to contact Warner were unsuccessful and a letter from Smith to Mr Lamy requesting a reason for Liburd' shut-out has so far gone unanswered.
In a World Cup Year, There Must Be a Scandal Somewhere.
By Grahame L. Jones, Times Staff.
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Corruption, thy name is FIFA.
When it comes to scandal, soccer's world governing body leaves the International Olympic Committee looking like a choirboy, as pure as the driven snow that piles up at this time of year around FIFA headquarters in Zurich, Switzerland.
World Cup years are worse than others because the quadrennial tournament, apart from being a huge sporting event, is a financial cash cow of immensely bloated proportions. Opportunities abound for the greedy, the unscrupulous, and the unethical.
Not surprisingly in the Joseph "Sepp" Blatter era, FIFA's "for the good of the game" leadership jumps at the chance.
It was only last month that Urs Linsi, FIFA's general secretary, said in Leipzig, Germany, that the 2006 World Cup would generate $1.7 billion — most of it from television and sponsors — and would be the most profitable in history.
It comes as no great shock, therefore, that the stench of cronyism and conflict of interest is rising from several locales, not least of them Port of Spain, Trinidad, as the scramble for World Cup tickets intensifies.
In Port of Spain, Jack Warner, a FIFA vice president, president of soccer's North and Central American and Caribbean (CONCACAF) region and a "special advisor" to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), is up to his neck fending off accusations of questionable ethics.
Again. Just as he had to do in 2001.
A three-part investigative series by journalist Lasana Liburd of the Trinidad Express has revealed that Warner and his family own a company, Simpaul Travel Services Limited, that bought Trinidad and Tobago's entire allocation of World Cup tickets from the country's soccer federation.
Simpaul, the Express wrote, stands to make millions of dollars, not off individual ticket sales but rather by selling packages that include accommodations and tickets for all three of Trinidad and Tobago's three first-round matches, against Sweden, England and Paraguay. At prices far above what might be expected.
"Soca Warrior" fans have no choice. It's the package or nothing.
Tickets that FIFA priced at $360 and $214 are being sold, by Simpaul, for $4,875, Liburd wrote "with the addition of lodging for 12 days in Germany and a national flag, replica shirt and wristband" but "exclusive of airfare and ground transport."
Depending on how many tickets they have — no one will reveal the number — "the Warners could be $50 million [U.S. $8 million] richer from ticket sales alone," Liburd calculated.
When the Express asked "whether it was ethical for the country's ticket allocation to be diverted to Warner's private company," neither Oliver Camps, the TTFF president, nor Warner would comment, the newspaper said.
"Do you know who the owner of Simpaul is?" it quoted Camps as saying. "Let us not go there."
Warner, meanwhile, was even more dismissive.
"You write what you want to write," he told Liburd. "I have nothing to discuss with you."
Once the series was published, however, and once the Trinidad and Tobago government had threatened to step in and sort matters out, Warner, his ego flaring, was much more forthcoming.
"It is not a crime to be successful, even for people like me," he said, pompous as ever, adding that no one should "attempt to impute improper business practices and conflicts of interest to me."
The Express series, he claimed, was "part of a well-timed, carefully orchestrated character assassination, designed to devalue any political currency which opponents ... feel I might have been developing as a result of the Soca Warriors' World Cup qualification alongside my own efforts within the United National Congress to unify the party and country."
In the same Jan. 3 news conference, Warner said he believed "the intention of the articles is to change the reference point of Jack Warner in the minds of the public, or more importantly, the electorate. It was designed to sully the Warner name and to reframe the recent achievements I have yearned and struggled for over many years in the football arena."
Aside from being a grammatical shambles, such comments are not only self-serving but absurd.
In Warner's eyes, it's all a conspiracy designed to thwart his political ambitions, not a matter of ethics at all. Why shouldn't a FIFA vice president snap up all his country's World Cup tickets and make a financial killing?
With soccer fans in Trinidad and Tobago up in arms over what they perceive as unfair practices and price gouging, Patrick Manning, the country's prime minister, was forced to step in.
Sports minister Roger Boynes said the government would try to buy tickets from the federation — even though no more supposedly are available — and would arrange charter flights for fans on the national airline.
Such is the arrogance of FIFA's leaders that Warner brushed this aside.
"No government in the world can intervene in FIFA's business," he said, "and that's the bottom line. Mr. Manning represents the government of Trinidad and Tobago. FIFA doesn't deal with governments."
As the Express pointed out, this is not the first time that Warner has enriched himself off a FIFA event.
"Warner similarly cashed in," it said, when Trinidad and Tobago played host to the 2001 FIFA Under-17 World Championship. "Then, his companies controlled exclusive contracts to supply air tickets to all competing foreign teams as well as catering and IT [communication] deals for all the stadiums."
This is the man who presides over CONCACAF, the 38-member regional soccer confederation of which the United States, Canada and Mexico are a part.
As long as Warner can deliver CONCACAF's votes to his good pal Blatter, FIFA's equally insufferable president, no one in Zurich is going to question the way he is lining his pockets.
Meanwhile, have U.S. Soccer, Soccer Canada or the Mexican Football Federation, the region's supposed powers and presumptive molar leaders, ever raised a squawk about the ethics or lack thereof within CONCACAF?
Have the American companies — Anheuser Busch, Coca-Cola, Gillette, Mastercard, McDonald's — that give tens of millions of sponsorship dollars to FIFA ever questioned how that money is being used or misused? Not a chance.
They just go along with it all.
If soccer itself can't or won't clean up its act, if governments supposedly are powerless to intervene, then perhaps the way to accomplish change is through the sponsors.
Money is all that matters to FIFA's elect, so if fans can turn off the financial tap by boycotting or at least pressuring FIFA's sponsors, soccer might eventually be able to rid itself of those who currently infest its highest reaches. For the real good of the game.

Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: FF on January 18, 2006, 10:26:06 PM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Toppa on January 18, 2006, 11:19:44 PM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 18, 2006, 11:46:41 PM
man gettin excited oui  :rotfl:

FF nearly break when he hear dis news  :rotfl:

warner drop de soap, now he gettin bull all kinda ways
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Peong on January 19, 2006, 01:44:34 AM
Pressure for Jack to fix his business.

But yuh know he not gettin in no trouble with he and his boys runnin FIFA.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Themanfriday on January 19, 2006, 02:12:11 AM
So lemme heah allyuh that thought I wasn't talking with FIFA. I told you all I was doing something about it.

You are most welcome Trinidad & Tobago my home sweet home
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: JayTheWrecker on January 19, 2006, 02:20:40 AM
Uncle Jack has become an international embarassment for TnT

The whole world is reading about this debacle and thinking "typical banana republic behaviour"

govt. should hold a full public enquiry into Uncle Jack's wheeler dealing

Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: scarface on January 19, 2006, 04:14:02 AM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

this is a job for captain planass
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: oconnorg on January 19, 2006, 04:21:56 AM
Bow Slap!!.... Bow cuff!! ..... Bow Kick!!!!

Level licks sharing....

Roll it Jack..... Roll it Jack Roll.............!!!  lemmeh see yuh spin this one! :devil: :devil:


WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

WE WANT WE TICKETS.... RIGHT NOW

this is a job for captain planass

For real.. WHO SAY!!

Jackoffasour under level pressure now..Blasted backside...
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: TnTVillan on January 19, 2006, 05:01:19 AM
I now check ticketcity.com for ticket prices. TnT vs England category 1 is $1250 us and category 3 is $900 us. TnT vs Sweden is $725 category 1 and $475 category 2. Tickets getting expensive. Holland vs Argentina is $1150 us for category 1.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: JDB on January 19, 2006, 05:07:39 AM
Company sales executive Natasha Simmons was quoted in the Independent as confirming that the company's package remained unaltered. When contacted by the Express, though, Simmons said she was not authorised to speak on the matter.

I feel she related to Camps yes.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Johpants on January 19, 2006, 10:01:19 AM
TTFF was selling tix all this time? Any news on what is happening with the Government's talk about the BWIA charter and tickets to be procured from the TTFF?
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: E-man on January 19, 2006, 10:10:19 AM
Why can't TTFF sell tickets like Sweden? Go to their main page (http://www.svenskfotboll.se) and it tells you right there on the right side how many applications are in for each game. Click to the detail page (http://www.svenskfotboll.se/t2vm06.asp?p=137777) and it tells you how many seats are available (their 8% for the game with us is 4,595), how many of each category, everything in detail!!!

so far their games are over subscribed anywhere from 5-1 to 10-1, but at least they know whats going on. Their application window is Jan 10-24. See my other post on their application procedure (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=10504.0)

So Camps - yeah right - I mean Jack, where's our 4,595 for the first match? Where's the rest?
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: supporter on January 19, 2006, 11:19:05 AM
we know the allocation has been received. so the question is when are we going to find out how to apply, when/where to apply,etc???
what you waiting for ttff?
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: gothic on January 19, 2006, 12:33:04 PM
well i know that TTFF has been taking names and the number of tickets you requested, yesterday i went in and the girl told me to come back next week
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: truetrini on January 19, 2006, 04:44:10 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: cyar say more dan dis
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: Sam on January 21, 2006, 04:08:05 AM
Shaun Fuentes just love it, he like Jack puppy, no wonder he dont do a good job writing because he all up in Jack business when he should just focus on doing his dam job.... like he fighting to be Jack right hand man....

Good job Lasana,,,,,, Jack "Don King" Warner will burn and I hope he fall hard !!!!!!!!!! because he killing poor people and his own too...

Jack dont feel bad or what,,,,,, having a setta man with no back bone working for him... them in not yuh true friends... but then again, who is, I guess you have to continue buying your friends...

De government should seize de TTFF.... and clean house, from Jack Warner go down..... to much mafias involved... a bunch of thiefing bastards..... lauging in yuh fast, begging poor people to support de team and then stabbing them in they back......

De people dont have de balls to stand up, de TTFF go throw a big fete and catch nuff man...

DON'T SUPPORT JACK WARNER AND THE TTFF......

Jack should be happy to get a full T&T support in Germany so our players will feel right at home.... but no, its all about Jack and Jack alone..... like de under 17 world cup in T&T (2001) wasn't enough or what..
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: real-warrior on January 21, 2006, 04:09:11 PM
he duz create serious problems oui
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: truetrini on January 21, 2006, 05:05:05 PM
Jack and Panday together destroyes the U Ent See? and now dey trying tuh destroy deyself.

JAck is ah real ass nd Fuentes disappointing meh..ah eh go lie.

Everybody seeing Jasck fuh what he is..now de trute coming put about how he lyng nop arse about de ticket allocation.

Steups.

Pull out that Trinity Cross dey Rotato...hammer and nails waiting..and ah special place in hell fuh he minions and fellow Judases!
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: MickeyRat on January 21, 2006, 05:11:38 PM
Jack and Panday worst than Judas and Satan.
Title: Re: FIFA eyes Simpaul's
Post by: TriniCana on January 21, 2006, 07:10:20 PM
Ah wish ah could find dey thread with half ah allyuh, given dey blasted chance woulda pin that trinity cross on Warner backside and feel reel proud after .:wavetowel: wave allyuh trinity cross...

Now allyuh back charging...... ::)

But as sure as Cain murdar Abel, bachannel go start and next thing ya know, talk go start up bout how FiFA want to penalize we ass fur something.

Anybody get dey ticket from Simpaul in here ?
Title: Forget Sven, Jack Warner is the Real Scandal
Post by: E-man on January 29, 2006, 09:43:59 PM
<a href="http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/forget-sven-jack-warner-is-the-real-scandal.html>Forget Sven, Jack Warner is the Real Scandal[/url]
Bob
 Worldcupblog.org
Posted on: January 25th, 2006


While the tabloid headline writers in England are hyperventilating from excitement, the workers inside the FIFA castle have to be smiling ear to ear as they see all of the attention given to the Sven-Goran Eriksson saga.

The smiles mask a fear though.

FIFA has to be asking itself, what happens when the Sven scandal goes away and hungry journalists turn their attention to an even worse scandal, that of Jack Warner?

For a good summary of the Warner situation, you can go here (you have to register but the LA Times is a decent paper so go ahead and sign up). Basically what we know is that Warner who is FIFA vice president, president of CONCACAF and a “special advisor” to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, has worked the system so that he is set to make up to $8 million from the sale of his country’s World Cup tickets.

Warner maintains he has done nothing wrong and claims that people are out to get him because he is buddy-buddy with FIFA president Sepp Blatter. Here is an example of the man’s thinking. After you read it, you’ll wonder how he ever became in charge on anything.

Meanwhile, FIFA is investigating the matter and its spokespeople have said that things do look fishy, but check back with them in a bit.

Why should you care? Well, this is egregious even by FIFA’s historically sketchy standards. It would be naïve to say that the system isn’t set up to benefit those in power, but now that this scandal has been blown into the open FIFA owes it to the people who watch its sport – and pays its bureaucratic salaries - to fix the mess.

Jack Warner shouldn’t receive a dime from the sale of World Cup tickets. He should be forced to resign from his multiple football-related roles. And FIFA should take swift action to make sure something like this never happens again.

One more thing FIFA should do. It should grant media accreditation to Lasana Liburd of the Trinidad Express who broke this story. FIFA has denied Liburd’s request to cover T&T during the World Cup.

This is a shame because while Liburd sits at home, some of those tabloid reporters covering Sven will be in the press box. You have to think that FIFA prefers it that way.
Title: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Observer on March 17, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
FIFA clears Jack Warner over World Cup tickets.
 
ZURICH, (Reuters) - FIFA said on Friday that no action would be taken against vice-president Jack Warner over a World Cup ticketing controversy.
Warner is special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation. Trinidad have qualified for the World Cup for the first time.
Warner invited FIFA to investigate his relationship with Simpaul Travel Service after the Trinidad and Tobago Express newspaper alleged Trinidad's allocation of tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany would be handled solely by the company.
"There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference.
"It was decided the matter had to be closed."
In February FIFA said its ethics committee concluded that because of his involvement with Simpaul Travel Service in Port-of-Spain, Warner had a conflict of interest over World Cup tickets and "as a result, he has violated FIFA's Code of Ethics".
He could have been expelled from world soccer's ruling body if found guilty by the executive committee.
Warner has been one of president Blatter's closest allies since his appointment to FIFA's executive in 1983.
Trinidad have been drawn with England, Sweden and Paraguay in Group B at the World Cup which begins on June 9.
FIFA lets off Jack Warner.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.
A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"
The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.
Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.
FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.
The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.
But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.
If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.
Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.
The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.
The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.
Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.
The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.
It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.
Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present, Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.
FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.
"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."
Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.
"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.
"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."
A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
Setting Warner straight.
T&T Express Reports.
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As the newspaper which exposed the conflict of interest engaged in by Jack Warner, FIFA vice president and special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, in the business arrangements for selling tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany in June, we feel it is important to set the record straight.
Mr Warner has taken out paid advertisements in the newspapers celebrating the fact that he was "cleared'' by the FIFA Ethics and Fairplay Committee, after he was let off the hook last Friday. He said it was a "character assassination attempt'' which had failed.
He had been found guilty of a conflict of interest by this committee after it held that the company which had a principal role in the selling of tickets and tour packages to local fans wanting to travel to the games was in fact a company owned by him and other members of his family.
The fact that the world's football governing body forced him to sell his shares and those of his immediate family members is a powerful demonstration that there was indeed a conflict of interest in this matter.
It is true, however, that FIFA did not apply the full brunt of the law as laid down by its Ethics and Fairplay Committee against Mr Warner who is one of the organisation's highest ranking officials. But with a clear case of a violation of the rules which it has established, the world football body has exhibited in this case a classic example of cronyism at the highest level.
Not many people expected the decision to have been much different from what it was.
Mr Warner has sought to make much of the fact that it was he who voluntarily called in the committee to have a look at the issue. But the reality is that he did that only on the basis of the series of articles which set out the case in clear and unambiguous terms. This action of his was after the fact, plain and simple.
He has gone on to say that the articles were part of what he sees as an "Operation Get Jack Warner,'' of which he declares that there are other rounds to follow.
Shrewd and cunning politician that he is, Mr Warner must know that the case for an investigation into the construction of stadia for the 2001 youth football tournament held in Trinidad and Tobago in 2001 and raised by Government Minister Dr Keith Rowley will once again put the spotlight on him.
Indeed, that spotlight has been already so trained and therefore Mr Warner is making a political play because he feels more heat is coming his way in the days ahead. Certainly, it will.
Phagwa Jack 'wines' on critics.
BY: Richard Charan (Express).

 
 Back home after being let off by the Executive Committee of FIFA on charges of ethics violations, Jack Warner wined on stage with Phagwa celebrants and then "wined" on his critics, although he said they wanted to kill him politically.
Warner said that before jetting home from Switzerland on Saturday night, he was the one who applied for, and was granted more tickets for sale to Trinidadians wanting to see the Soca Warriors in action in Germany.
Warner was in a celebratory mood last evening at a Phagwa function held at Palmiste Pastures, San Fernando.
Last Friday, FIFA President Joseph Sepp Blatter announced that Warner, a FIFA Vice President, had been cleared of all charges arising out of his family's ownership of Simpaul's Travel Agency. The agency is the sole ticketing agent for the World Cup. FIFA investigated the charges based on an exclusive Express investigation, and after Warner requested an investigation.
Warner, the UNC's Deputy Political Leader, said: "As we all know, the allegations was a political matter. They thought they would discredit me, kill my spirit, my good name and my standing in my country. They figured if they killed me, it would affect the UNC but it didn't work. But don't believe this would be the last time they will try this."
He added: "They will cross me again and I am ready for them. I am happy to be among my people. I feel at home."
Warner said of his family's travel agency: "I have severed ties with the travel service.
I asked FIFA to tell me where is the conflict of interest. They didn't tell me. I went to them, so what is the big hullabaloo?"
Warner, who was doused with abeer and plastered with coloured powder during his stage antics, also promised to tell all about the "level of treachery" involved in in the FIFA ticketing scandal.
About the World Cup tickets, Warner said: "We are getting more tickets.
All those people who wanted four (tickets) and under will get. I made an application and FIFA have accepted it. We will have more tickets than we need."
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: bill on March 17, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
STEUPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: andre samuel on March 17, 2006, 09:27:25 AM
Oh my God!!  :o :o :o :o :o

Wat a Suprise!!

Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: skins on March 17, 2006, 09:29:01 AM
The power of Jack Warner wins again.....
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Dutty on March 17, 2006, 09:29:15 AM
Not even ONE penance push up self?  ::)



Allyuh watchin unethical power at the highest levels scratch each odder back oui
It real sad to say, but dat is how dis entire planet does run


Time for me to start teefin or someting oui
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on March 17, 2006, 09:30:24 AM
Oh my gosh the shock!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: oconnorg on March 17, 2006, 09:37:07 AM
De horror.. I canot believe that happend..  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: duscam on March 17, 2006, 09:37:46 AM
Quote
There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company  then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference
Quote
.

that is why...the man prob juss sell the interest to he wife or son and talk done
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: pardners on March 17, 2006, 09:39:13 AM
Expected....

But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 09:40:35 AM
Expected....

But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?

Most likely he just put them in another family member's name, until this blows over... ::)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: doc on March 17, 2006, 09:43:02 AM
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden  :devil:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: jai john on March 17, 2006, 09:45:31 AM
I am totally shocked ! Never in my wildest dreams !
Again evil wins out ...but it doesn't last folks it just makes the fall harder in the end.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Trinimassive on March 17, 2006, 09:49:01 AM
What it is allyuh wanted tuh happen to him ???

Ah ask that question before and nobody say they wanted anything to happen to him except stupidness like pushups or hail mary  :angel:

Allyuh is kicks yes
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: jai john on March 17, 2006, 09:52:57 AM
Money passssssss !
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: dumpalewie on March 17, 2006, 09:56:24 AM
Liburd has an article in today's papers reporting that Jack had his name removed as a company director before heading to the meeting.
Title: Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 09:59:08 AM
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)


Friday, March 17th 2006
 
 FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner has legally distanced himself from Simpaul's Travel Service as the 2006 World Cup ticket scandal nears full time.

Warner, one of six ordinary FIFA vice-presidents, had his name removed as the owner of Simpaul's Travel by the Ministry of Legal Affairs early last week. The names of his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, were also expunged from the Simpaul's Travel records.

Warner's legal sidestep is the latest twist in the Simpaul saga, which began with a series of articles in the Express last year that highlighted his joint interests in local football as administrator and businessman, and led to the UNC deputy political leader being convicted of breaching FIFA's code of ethics last month.

Between yesterday and today, FIFA was to decide on the ramifications of Warner's actions, which carry the threat of expulsion.

Section three of the FIFA Code of Ethics governing "Eligibility for and removal from office" states:

"Only persons with the highest ethical principles who are willing to be bound by this Code without reservation may serve as an official or a member of a body. Anyone who does not fulfil or ceases to fulfil these conditions shall be deemed ineligible to serve as an official or a member of a body and, if already in office, shall be relieved of that position.

"The same applies to persons convicted of an offence that calls into question their ability to discharge their duties. Prior to being elected or appointed as an official or a member of a body, all persons must automatically declare any interests they have that may interfere with their duties."

On November 26, 2005, ten days after the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup tournament in Germany, Warner announced that Simpaul's Travel had paid the T&TFF $500,000 to be its official ticket distributor.

Warner did not say, at the time, that he was a director at Simpaul's along with his wife and sons. T&TFF president Oliver Camps also claimed ignorance of this fact when questioned by the Express.

Once Simpaul's ownership became a matter of public discussion, Warner admitted his role in the company on January 3, 2006, but denied receiving a single ticket from the T&TFF, and insisted that his supplier was an unnamed European tour operator.

Warner is a board member of the FIFA Organising Committee for World Cup 2006 and Bureau 2006 FIFA World Cup, which are directly responsible for the planning of the upcoming event.

At his February 15 meeting with FIFA to discuss his ticket distribution business, Warner dropped the mysterious European seller and claimed to receive 1,770 World Cup tickets from the T&TFF. This figure, if correct, means that Warner's family could have pocketed near $18 million from ticket sales, factoring a profit of $10,000 per ticket on his package, which is valued at $30,000 each.

Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".

Warner was nevertheless found guilty by the FIFA Committee for Ethics and Fair Play and is the first FIFA Executive Committee member to ever suffer that fate.

It could possibly get worse by today. Warner will travel with more than Simpaul's change of directorship for protection.

A March 7 release from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which is headed by his long time friend and employee Harold Taylor, insisted that its 30 member nations stood "united in full support of their president, Jack Warner".

FIFA must now decide whether they believe Warner was ignorant of what constitutes a conflict of interest in the first place and that a name change and a few statements suggest he has subsequently mended his ways.

Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
 
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: oconnorg on March 17, 2006, 10:03:56 AM
Well well well, WELL WELL WELL..
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: FF on March 17, 2006, 10:05:27 AM
This part make meh smile

Quote
Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".

Jack is ah true smart man....
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Pasdah Beatz on March 17, 2006, 10:09:31 AM
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden :devil:
Bulletproof Jack.hahahaha :rotfl:
 Heh eventhoght well all doh like Jack ah love tuh see ah trini get away... lol
But he good Give Jack his Jacket :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: oconnorg on March 17, 2006, 10:19:54 AM
Ah like that Bullet proff Jack
Title: Re: Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Post by: Dutty on March 17, 2006, 10:21:43 AM
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)


Friday, March 17th 2006
 
 FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner has legally distanced himself from Simpaul's Travel Service as the 2006 World Cup ticket scandal nears full time.

Warner, one of six ordinary FIFA vice-presidents, had his name removed as the owner of Simpaul's Travel by the Ministry of Legal Affairs early last week. The names of his wife, Maureen, and sons, Daryan and Daryll Warner, were also expunged from the Simpaul's Travel records.

Warner's legal sidestep is the latest twist in the Simpaul saga, which began with a series of articles in the Express last year that highlighted his joint interests in local football as administrator and businessman, and led to the UNC deputy political leader being convicted of breaching FIFA's code of ethics last month.

Between yesterday and today, FIFA was to decide on the ramifications of Warner's actions, which carry the threat of expulsion.

Section three of the FIFA Code of Ethics governing "Eligibility for and removal from office" states:

"Only persons with the highest ethical principles who are willing to be bound by this Code without reservation may serve as an official or a member of a body. Anyone who does not fulfil or ceases to fulfil these conditions shall be deemed ineligible to serve as an official or a member of a body and, if already in office, shall be relieved of that position.

"The same applies to persons convicted of an offence that calls into question their ability to discharge their duties. Prior to being elected or appointed as an official or a member of a body, all persons must automatically declare any interests they have that may interfere with their duties."

On November 26, 2005, ten days after the Soca Warriors qualified for the 2006 World Cup tournament in Germany, Warner announced that Simpaul's Travel had paid the T&TFF $500,000 to be its official ticket distributor.

Warner did not say, at the time, that he was a director at Simpaul's along with his wife and sons. T&TFF president Oliver Camps also claimed ignorance of this fact when questioned by the Express.

Once Simpaul's ownership became a matter of public discussion, Warner admitted his role in the company on January 3, 2006, but denied receiving a single ticket from the T&TFF, and insisted that his supplier was an unnamed European tour operator.

Warner is a board member of the FIFA Organising Committee for World Cup 2006 and Bureau 2006 FIFA World Cup, which are directly responsible for the planning of the upcoming event.

At his February 15 meeting with FIFA to discuss his ticket distribution business, Warner dropped the mysterious European seller and claimed to receive 1,770 World Cup tickets from the T&TFF. This figure, if correct, means that Warner's family could have pocketed near $18 million from ticket sales, factoring a profit of $10,000 per ticket on his package, which is valued at $30,000 each.

Warner said that he initiated the FIFA meeting so the global organisation could "help the administrator who serves on eight boards and has been a vice-president for over a decade understand the meaning of conflict of interest".

Warner was nevertheless found guilty by the FIFA Committee for Ethics and Fair Play and is the first FIFA Executive Committee member to ever suffer that fate.

It could possibly get worse by today. Warner will travel with more than Simpaul's change of directorship for protection.

A March 7 release from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which is headed by his long time friend and employee Harold Taylor, insisted that its 30 member nations stood "united in full support of their president, Jack Warner".

FIFA must now decide whether they believe Warner was ignorant of what constitutes a conflict of interest in the first place and that a name change and a few statements suggest he has subsequently mended his ways.

Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
 


Waaay...so since none ah de orginal principals there no more

It ripe fuh de pluckin ent?
Allyuh let we take up ah collection and try one ah dem hostile takeover nah


Pass de hat, socawarriors.net goin an buy out simpauls.
Make TT, SAM & TI each a VP of football affairs  ;D

Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Pompey on March 17, 2006, 10:24:17 AM
Expected....

But I miss something here ?
Warner sold his shares in Simpauls ? To who ? When ?

Probably sold them to Sepp Blatter half way through the meeting.

FIFA demonstrate their lack of genitalia once again.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 10:27:42 AM
Actually unofficially he did have to write 100 lines

I MUST NOT GET CATCH
I MUST NOT GET CATCH
I MUST NOT GET CATCH
...
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 10:35:50 AM
http://www.totallyabsurd.com/bulletproofbuttocks.htm
(http://www.totallyabsurd.com/bulletproof_buttocks.GIF)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 17, 2006, 10:38:20 AM
i keep tellin allyuh leave jack alone.not even fifa could touch he.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Pasdah Beatz on March 17, 2006, 10:42:48 AM
He's Short
He's Dark
He Stammers
He's Bullet Proof Jack
.... <back ground music>
<females whisper> Jack... Jack

BULLET PROOF JACK SUPER SENSATIONAL SUNDAYS ON CCN TV 6

________________________________________________________

eH DOH BE VEX WID fIFA WE NEED HIM ALTESE TUH GET IN TUH 2010
Jack haffi pay de coaches what rag wid alyuh
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: 1989 on March 17, 2006, 10:45:52 AM
Well the article didn't mention what was discussed at the meeting.  I sure that meeting had some statements like: "But if we convict him he go tell on we..." ;D
Title: Re: Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 17, 2006, 11:20:19 AM
Full time for Jack and Simpaul
Lasana Liburd (Express)



Of course, Warner might also point to his political strength in the Caribbean as another reason why he deserves FIFA's continued indulgence.
 

he trying he best boy
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 17, 2006, 11:23:26 AM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Weh-it-is on March 17, 2006, 11:27:03 AM
The whole FIFA organization is the Mafia! It's good to know that one of the bosses are part of Trinidad and Tobago football. So who cares... I don't!  ;D Anyone who knows the mafia has alot to do with soccer around the world.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Trinimassive on March 17, 2006, 11:38:12 AM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: SOBRIQUET on March 17, 2006, 12:58:36 PM
Even Julius Ceasar collect stabb in he arse. Everything is only for a timing. Jack will pay eventually.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: breezers on March 17, 2006, 02:16:14 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: dombasil on March 17, 2006, 02:52:28 PM
First OJ, now Jack.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: DeSoWa on March 17, 2006, 03:14:05 PM
sumting jus doh make sense wid me...ent he was on the de board of simpauls at the time of the conflict?...how he could now go an jus tek he name orf ah week before he face the committee and then say now there is no conflict..ah jus do understand..at the time of de crime he was on de board...it shouldn't matter he eh dey now..steups...anyways ha happy for him...every dog jack have his day oui. He time will come..

Big Up!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.


some people rel dottish.


he runs that place.


He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.


FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Bourbon on March 17, 2006, 03:43:35 PM
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.


some people rel dottish.


he runs that place.


He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.


FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.


He IS the president of FIFA. Last year before the Baharian game andre baptiste ask him if sepp step aside if he would contest the presidency he said of course. andre ask how long he think sepp have he answer....as long as i give him  :devil:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 03:54:33 PM
and some people tryin to tell me he would geh fired stewpsssssssss.


some people rel dottish.


he runs that place.


He got Blatter there himself... he may aswell be refered to as THE PRESIDENT OF FIFA.


FAWK need to start hiring assassins yes.


He IS the president of FIFA. Last year before the Baharian game andre baptiste ask him if sepp step aside if he would contest the presidency he said of course. andre ask how long he think sepp have he answer....as long as i give him  :devil:

stewps. ENT.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: scooby on March 17, 2006, 05:15:03 PM
That`s just to show everyone how big jack is in FIFA, blatter needs jack to stay in power so he can`t let them get rid of his big dog. We make not like that crook but I bet if he wanted he could be president of FIFA but is easier to dip in the cash box when you not on the top. Jack`s day will come do worry
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: jai john on March 17, 2006, 05:41:02 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!

i guess you could say ...dat its all because of youuuu ... you just stay on dat midnight train to georgia and when jack leave beg him to come back as you´ll never find .....
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: weary1969 on March 17, 2006, 05:43:34 PM
As my late mother said ( the only sad thing is that I will not be able to share my Germany experience with her) the longest road has an end and the longest pray AMEN. Jack day will come he say he ain't go be like Lequay holding on to power in his 80's we will see. Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 05:53:49 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!

Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off.


I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.


and breezers man... yuh sellin yuhself short.


yuh cyah jes except blatant corruption simply becuase its in our favour...


its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Blue on March 17, 2006, 06:00:57 PM
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.

Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow  ;D
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 06:22:30 PM
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.

Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow  ;D
Because corruption is acceptable in T&T society, if we benifit? Hope you don't critcise the PNM/UNC or any politician... can't condone it in one place and turn a blind on another.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: triniairman on March 17, 2006, 06:37:21 PM
all hail king warner i for one could say thank god he got cleared of all that BULL SHIT
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Blue on March 17, 2006, 06:42:28 PM
Jack aint d president of FIFA, he duz not run tingz dere. But I still think him getting off d hook is good for TnT football. Until someone could come up with a better alternative, we shudnt all be hating on Jack. Let's face it - 1.1 million people - we shudnt be in World Cup, but we are. He deserve at least a little credit for getting us dere.

Anyway, I jus come home from d pub, maybe I will feel differently tomorrow ;D
Because corruption is acceptable in T&T society, if we benifit? Hope you don't critcise the PNM/UNC or any politician... can't condone it in one place and turn a blind on another.

I said he was good for football, not for morals.

One ting I think Jack W is good for dat noone else in TnT football is willing to do - he is willing to make bold decisions. And most of the time they work in Trinidad's favour. All of us on this site who bad talk Jack - it is a lot easier to criticise than to come up with a better solution. Personally, I look at dis thread and see 2 pages (so far - I'm sure d thread will grow much longer) of people cussing d man. Why we cant have a similar thread about how to seriously make a positive impact on TnT football instead of trying to fight down one of our own. And yes, he is one of our own. Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: DeSoWa on March 17, 2006, 06:49:31 PM

Quote

I said he was good for football, not for morals.

One ting I think Jack W is good for dat noone else in TnT football is willing to do - he is willing to make bold decisions. And most of the time they work in Trinidad's favour. All of us on this site who bad talk Jack - it is a lot easier to criticise than to come up with a better solution. Personally, I look at dis thread and see 2 pages (so far - I'm sure d thread will grow much longer) of people cussing d man. Why we cant have a similar thread about how to seriously make a positive impact on TnT football instead of trying to fight down one of our own. And yes, he is one of our own. Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?
Quote

Because he is crippling the growth of football in OUR country....dais why

Big Up!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: FF on March 17, 2006, 07:11:46 PM
Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?


O Rly?

Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: breezers on March 17, 2006, 07:13:18 PM
cleared at last!!! cleared at last !!! thank god Almighty warner is cleared at last!!! ;D

Doh worry....everybody here happy nothing happen tuh Jack. And ah mean everybody.

At the end of the day money talks...and Jack have ah BIG MOUTH

Yeah me eh lying..ah glad Jack geh off..me eh really fuh him uhnuh buh if wasn't fuh him we wouldna ha any ticket problems in de first place..an ah eh sayin dat he have a rite tuh do all de wrong things he doin, buh if Jack didn't fite fuh dah half space in Concacaf we wouldna be goin tuh Germany and we all woulda be backin Holland  to win de world cup instead ah de Soca Warriors. We need ah man in dem type ah position..look at it dis way..once Jack geh penalize iz TnT,de Caribbean and Concacaf football feelin de hurt...buh at de end ah de day ah noe all de wrong doins ha tuh end someway.So once again me eh defendin him buh dyez wuh it is..out ah respect fuh him makin me an U love weself and we country ah glad he geh dah bligh. Respect!!!!!!!!!!

Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off.


I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.


and breezers man... yuh sellin yuhself short.


yuh cyah jes except blatant corruption simply becuase its in our favour...


its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

Jefferz me eh sayin tuh except corruption..cuz we all noe dat Jack runnin he racket and in ah timin dah go geh deal wit..wuh I sayin iz..it iz a fact dat if Jack wasn't in de position he in,Concacaf wouldna geh dah half spot...callin dah shot fuh Concacaf eh ha nuttin tuh do wit corruption..iz all bout using de weight he have.Think bout it besides Jack who in Fifa really care fuh de concacaf region????? So dyez all I sayin de Boss..me eh defendin Jack an me eh wuh peolpe to accept de wrong he doin. Large Up!!!!!
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: FF on March 17, 2006, 07:17:40 PM
Jefferz me eh sayin tuh except corruption..cuz we all noe dat Jack runnin he racket and in ah timin dah go geh deal wit..wuh I sayin iz..it iz a fact dat if Jack wasn't in de position he in,Concacaf wouldna geh dah half spot...callin dah shot fuh Concacaf eh ha nuttin tuh do wit corruption..iz all bout using de weight he have.Think bout it besides Jack who in Fifa really care fuh de concacaf region????? So dyez all I sayin de Boss..me eh defendin Jack an me eh wuh peolpe to accept de wrong he doin. Large Up!!!!!


Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?

eh?
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Toppa on March 17, 2006, 07:19:29 PM


I done see real people have dey cussing booked when yuh see TrueTrini come online. All who talking bout dey glad he geh orf. It will be entertaining.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: breezers on March 17, 2006, 07:38:11 PM
Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?

eh?



An noe de man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region and yes anybody else in dah position would do de same..buh dyez de easiest part of de process ( tuh request ah half spot fuh Concacaf)..de hard part is tuh geh de OK from Fifa and dyez way I believe Jack influence work in Concacaf favour. U really think dat any ordinary person could achieve dat so easily?? an doe even mention de States, Mexico and Costa Rica past performances cuz me eh feel dah had ah major impact on de final decision.So fuh de last time ME EH DEFENIN Mr. Austin Jack Warner..dyez jus my opinion. Easy!!!!!!
Title: FIFA LETS OFF JACK
Post by: E-man on March 17, 2006, 08:10:49 PM
FIFA LETS OFF JACK
No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
by Lasana Liburd London (Express)


Saturday, March 18th 2006
 
 FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.

A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"

The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.

Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.

FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.

The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.

But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.

If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.

Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.

The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.

The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.

Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.

The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.

It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.

Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present , Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.

FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.

"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."

Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.

"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.

"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."

A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
 
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trinimassive on March 17, 2006, 08:14:37 PM
Guess FIFA know how to make sure they get "Jackoff"  :devil:

Boo Doo Boom Ping :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 08:23:07 PM
Not a single person outside of Trinidad cares about dis story - we are de only ones who want him sacked. Why?

A lot of people in Concacaf were following this story, his corrupt activities branch out to the other members of Concacaf and he's known to be friends with the heads of most of the various federations.

Guess FIFA know how to make sure they get "Jackoff"  :devil:

Boo Doo Boom Ping :rotfl:
LOL :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 17, 2006, 09:40:05 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: StoreBayLimer on March 17, 2006, 09:56:26 PM
He just bullet-proof the Warner group of companies to remove the transparency. Now his hands are hidden  :devil:

You could have said that the man's hands are now clean, or as the article suggests the man is no longer involved in the company.  Always interesting to read your subtle posts. You are one of the subtlest posters around.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: R45 on March 17, 2006, 11:04:48 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.
I echo your sentiments 100%, I also find it sickening. This is what I feel is wrong with our country, people are just too willing to accept corruption if it benifits them, at all levels of society. I can say with a straight face now, if we won't make another world cup without Jack Warner, I will still want him to go.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: madmonn on March 18, 2006, 01:39:44 AM
The untouchables.......thats what all dem Fifa big wigs are.....face the facts
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Observer on March 18, 2006, 07:29:26 AM
Breezers... yuh sadly naive dey.... the man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region... Don't you think anyone else in that position would have done de same? What about the role of USA, Mexico's and Costa Rica's world cup performances in gaining more spots?

eh?



An noe de man job description as Concacaf President is to seek out the benefit of the region and yes anybody else in dah position would do de same..buh dyez de easiest part of de process ( tuh request ah half spot fuh Concacaf)..de hard part is tuh geh de OK from Fifa and dyez way I believe Jack influence work in Concacaf favour. U really think dat any ordinary person could achieve dat so easily?? an doe even mention de States, Mexico and Costa Rica past performances cuz me eh feel dah had ah major impact on de final decision.So fuh de last time ME EH DEFENIN Mr. Austin Jack Warner..dyez jus my opinion. Easy!!!!!!

Well then you sadly mistaken because someone cannot simply bring a proposal to FIFA to increase allocations to the WC, without the support of performance. The showing of Mexico, USA and Costa Rica was the convincing argument.

As for Jack he is corrupt and has been sucking the blood of T&T football and its footballers for years. Say what you want about he good for T&T Football. Is the same T&T Football put him where he is today. I have said this 1000 times Jack does what he does for T&T Football because it has huge returns for Jack. Much better returns than it has for T&T Football.
the Australian federation announced that the money they earned will be injected in their local league to raise the standard. Where is our $$$ going. Over 30 million for preparation, and the preparation is what 4 games. As old people use to say, dotish people deserve what they get.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: BigToe on March 18, 2006, 09:54:48 AM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's one for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Blue on March 18, 2006, 10:33:13 AM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 01:42:33 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Sam on March 18, 2006, 04:38:48 PM
Jack Warner have more head than Rahwan !!! but in real court that would have never stand up. I taught even if Jack not with Simapuls he is still the owner father and to make matters worst, de people who deal with this case is his employers, pardners in crime and friends ? talk about commess, conflict of interest  and controversie..

When Jack was accused, he was still owner of Simpauls now he change his status and win de case...... only in T&T and now FIFA. Abu Baker get off and hunt we for ages, now Jack take ova..

When Jack said this I was in tears laughing "he went to the Committee to ask for advice and based on the advice they gave him, I acted accordingly"

Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner, de same man with 2 heads.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: jai john on March 18, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
I was wondering ......If jack were to lose his money what would be left ???
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: legal alien on March 18, 2006, 05:33:10 PM
and tuh think i was actually frightened they would actally expell  him......
 he aint even get ah friggin fine...

 thank god, who is really a trini.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 06:58:17 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:00:49 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 07:05:14 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.

 ::) why bother
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:07:52 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.

 ::) why bother

"why bother" well considering you wrote that... hence bothering yourself when you ask why obviously confirms you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 07:12:07 PM
stewpsssssssssssssssssssssssss.


some ah you fellahz rel f**kin ignorant.


You dont mind if de man stink wit curroption... an evil selfish cruk... and you wanna post smiley face  ;D and say he is good for our regional football???

DO NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY?


He just symbolizes what an unchallenged dictatorship is.


my only comfort is the other fellahz on this site you arnt completely blind.


stewps. sickening.


 ::)


you are an idiot.

 ::) why bother

"why bother" well considering you wrote that... hence bothering yourself when you ask why obviously confirms you are an idiot.


 :-\
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: TnTVillan on March 18, 2006, 07:12:36 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: dcs on March 18, 2006, 07:14:55 PM

Aye allyuh relax nah...allyuh go fight over JW   :-\
steupse
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:16:30 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.

ey matthew dont make me reviel to all de men on dis board how yuh ah insanely hyper, rich, freindless, idiot... yuh dady does lick jack bottom too awa?


yuh shamefully disgraceful to all de people that put time into stopping people from kickin yuh ass all over de place.

yuh corny idiot.



oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: dcs on March 18, 2006, 07:18:39 PM


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If allyuh want to cuss each other go to:
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Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:21:43 PM


Forum Rules & Guidelines (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?&topic=12325.0)

If allyuh want to cuss each other go to:
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yuh right hardluck dey eh.


ah apologise to anyone offended by my vulagr language... but yuh hadda understand... I feel strongly about this... and letting Jack Warner rob us all for years and refusing to do anything AND then go as far and praising his clearance is almost unforgivably ignorant.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 18, 2006, 07:27:21 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.


oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.


what  :o could fight  :rotfl:  taking them self defense classes
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Jefferz on March 18, 2006, 07:36:53 PM
Triniman you are a complete moronic Jack supporter... and no everybody here aint happy hes off. I swear you must be the most ignorant person on earth.

So you must be real bright then.
Quote
its better to have to be a noble nothing than a unhonest something.

I'll submit that to the encyclopedia of quotes. Here's two for ya clown boy...

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits



stewps.

haul yuh ass nuh.


you have ah quippy mouth buh yuh still just as brain dead as de man who laughin at yuh cuz he couldnt think up how to defend himself.


Go ahead and be Warner little slap doll.


stewps.

Why don't you shut ya mouth and go find a friend you little small minded retard. All the cuss ya giving i hope you could walk the walk when a big man oppose your scrawny a**.


oh and if yuh wanna step up and try tuh tae ah swing at me im happy to f**k you up any day ah de week.


what  :o could fight  :rotfl:  taking them self defense classes


haha stewps... believe me... A.) if yuh trini yuh doh have tuh take defense class  B.) and dat man so uncoordinated and dottish that Maradona at his all-time fatest would knock he out.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: E-man on March 20, 2006, 03:46:17 PM
Welt.de writes the following at the end of their article about Jack's pardon (http://www.welt.de/data/2006/03/20/862575.html) on March 20:

Yet the pressure on the sun king from the Caribbean is building. At home in Trinidad there are reports concerning how Warner has been accumulating his wealth by corrupt means earlier [even before the ticket scandal]. Also stronger controls loom from within CONCACAF.

The Americans, who are members of Warner led CONCACAF, hope that their new US Soccer president, who was elected a few weeks ago, will become actively involved with the commercial might of his country behind him.  The USSF has thus far "simply accepted the corruption that has afflicted CONCACAF and FIFA," complains the LA Times.

It is up to the new US boss, Sunil Gulati (46), an economist from the University of Columbia, to end the practice. The US "must condemn the unethical and unscrupulous people who line their pockets at the expense of the sport," thunders the prestigious paper, "and if that means crossing swords with the likes of Blatter and Warner, so be it."



I'm trying to dig up the LA Times editoral mentioned.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 20, 2006, 04:01:14 PM
fellas allyuh have to stop eatin allyuh self up over dis jw issue.leh me explain something.with all de corruption in de world,backbiting and backstabbin,we need jw.it may not appear to each and everyone of you that he is on our side.but at the end of de day JACK WARNER is ah trini.de man will do anyting to promote de country.some trini like to blow every fukin ting outta proportion.all ah allyuh who arguing bout ticket,half ah fukin allyuh eh goin no fukin wc.de world today is not ah nice place,trust me,we need j fukin w.who doh agree,say wuh.
Title: Re: Start de fete, FIFA pardons Warner.
Post by: Pointman on March 20, 2006, 05:50:32 PM
FIFA clears Jack Warner over World Cup tickets.
 
ZURICH, (Reuters) - FIFA said on Friday that no action would be taken against vice-president Jack Warner over a World Cup ticketing controversy.
Warner is special adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation. Trinidad have qualified for the World Cup for the first time.
Warner invited FIFA to investigate his relationship with Simpaul Travel Service after the Trinidad and Tobago Express newspaper alleged Trinidad's allocation of tickets to the World Cup finals in Germany would be handled solely by the company.
"There were lengthy discussion in the executive committee meeting with interventions from practically every member but the committee was of the opinion that because Jack Warner has sold his shares in the company then there is no more a conflicting situation," FIFA president Sepp Blatter told a news conference.
"It was decided the matter had to be closed."
In February FIFA said its ethics committee concluded that because of his involvement with Simpaul Travel Service in Port-of-Spain, Warner had a conflict of interest over World Cup tickets and "as a result, he has violated FIFA's Code of Ethics".
He could have been expelled from world soccer's ruling body if found guilty by the executive committee.
Warner has been one of president Blatter's closest allies since his appointment to FIFA's executive in 1983.
Trinidad have been drawn with England, Sweden and Paraguay in Group B at the World Cup which begins on June 9.
FIFA lets off Jack Warner.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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No conflict of interest now that Warners have left Simpaul's, so...
FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor Jack Warner emerged unscathed from a FIFA meeting in Zurich, Switzerland, yesterday that "discussed" his violation of the global organisation's Code of Ethics.
A FIFA release stated that Warner, who was declared guilty of a conflict of interest last month by the Committee for Ethics and Fair Play, satisfied his peers by "ensuring that Simpaul obeyed the ticketing rules and regulations and finally with him and his wife leaving the company"
The Express reported yesterday, in a column by this writer, that Warner had removed his name as well as that of his wife, Maureen, and sons Daryan and Darryl, from the directorship of Simpaul's Travel Service at the Legal Affairs Ministry last week.
Warner's actions obviously impressed the FIFA Executive Committee. A pronouncement of political strength from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), which insisted that 30 football associations supported the Trinidad and Tobago administrator, may also have helped.
FIFA's tone yesterday contrasted with its initial position on February 15 although that decision was taken by a different committee to the one who discussed Warner's indiscretion over the past 48 hours.
The Committee for Ethics and Fair Play ruled last month that Warner "violated FIFA's Code of Ethics" by his involvement with Simpaul's Travel which had struck a deal with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to monopolise the sale of the country's 2006 World Cup tickets.
But the Executive Committee, which counts Warner as a senior member, yesterday referred to the initial verdict as "advice", a term Warner himself repeatedly used in the wake of last month's pronouncement.
If Warner displayed a change of heart by apologising for the conflict of interest and legally distancing himself from Simpaul's Travel-the new owners are Princess Campbell and Margaret Fletcher-then FIFA could also be credited with shifting its stance.
Four weeks ago, Warner was the first Executive Committee member to have infringed upon its Code of Ethics in FIFA's history. Yesterday, he was just a misguided employee who has since taken advice from his peers on board.
The case, according to the FIFA release, is now closed.
The latest Zurich decision was no surprise after FIFA refused to study new information regarding other potential conflicts of interests raised by local Housing Minister Keith Rowley.
Rowley pointed to Warner's involvement in the construction of four new stadia and the renovation of the Hasely Crawford Stadium for the 2001 World Youth Championship, which was held in Trinidad and Tobago.
The then UNC government - of which Warner is now the deputy political leader - backed a loan arrangement worth $365 million that was made between CONCACAF and the funders RGM.
It was later learned that the CONCACAF that received taxpayers' money without tender supposedly on behalf of FIFA was not officially affiliated to the global body but actually a local company listing Warner as its head.
Warner was also paid $6 million as "advice for the project" while the company set up to execute contracts was called the "FIFA Stadia Project" and included his son, Daryan, and accountant Kenny Rampersad among its signatories. At present, Rowley claims, the loan costs taxpayers $4 million a month.
FIFA press officer John Schumacher refused comment though and suggested that all questions regarding the stadia project be directed to the 2001 tournament's Local Organising Committee (LOC). The 2001 LOC was chaired by Warner.
"We don't care," Beckenbauer told the Express last month. "It's not our business."
Warner, who serves on eight FIFA committees, was equally unimpressed with the furore at the time.
"I'm not trembling in my shoes," said Warner, at the Trinidad Hilton on February 20. "I have been associated with all kinds of memories before, and it wouldn't be the last time, it won't be the first time It hasn't fazed me in the least.
"And believe me, I am okay. I'll land on my feet."
A legal shuffle, a show of Caribbean political solidarity and a new FIFA committee to answer to meant that Warner was as good as his word.
Phagwa Jack 'wines' on critics.
BY: Richard Charan (Express).

 
 Back home after being let off by the Executive Committee of FIFA on charges of ethics violations, Jack Warner wined on stage with Phagwa celebrants and then "wined" on his critics, although he said they wanted to kill him politically.
Warner said that before jetting home from Switzerland on Saturday night, he was the one who applied for, and was granted more tickets for sale to Trinidadians wanting to see the Soca Warriors in action in Germany.
Warner was in a celebratory mood last evening at a Phagwa function held at Palmiste Pastures, San Fernando.
Last Friday, FIFA President Joseph Sepp Blatter announced that Warner, a FIFA Vice President, had been cleared of all charges arising out of his family's ownership of Simpaul's Travel Agency. The agency is the sole ticketing agent for the World Cup. FIFA investigated the charges based on an exclusive Express investigation, and after Warner requested an investigation.
Warner, the UNC's Deputy Political Leader, said: "As we all know, the allegations was a political matter. They thought they would discredit me, kill my spirit, my good name and my standing in my country. They figured if they killed me, it would affect the UNC but it didn't work. But don't believe this would be the last time they will try this."
He added: "They will cross me again and I am ready for them. I am happy to be among my people. I feel at home."
Warner said of his family's travel agency: "I have severed ties with the travel service.
I asked FIFA to tell me where is the conflict of interest. They didn't tell me. I went to them, so what is the big hullabaloo?"
Warner, who was doused with abeer and plastered with coloured powder during his stage antics, also promised to tell all about the "level of treachery" involved in in the FIFA ticketing scandal.
About the World Cup tickets, Warner said: "We are getting more tickets.
All those people who wanted four (tickets) and under will get. I made an application and FIFA have accepted it. We will have more tickets than we need."

 ;D WILL THE REAL TEFLON DON PLEASE STAND UP!! ;D
Title: Former SFA chief reopens row over corruption in world football-Jack Warner again
Post by: marcpurcell on October 22, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
The former president of the Scottish Football Association, John McBeth, is set to reignite the controversy over corruption in international soccer tonight.

Interviewed for BBC TV's Panorama, he revisits the allegations he made earlier this year which led to his vice-presidency of Fifa, football's world ruling body, being blocked.

This time he singles out Jack Warner, president of CONCACAF - the regional ruling body covering North and Central America and the Caribbean - whose accusations of racism and bigotry cost Mr McBeth his Fifa post.

He said that when Trinidad and Tobago played Scotland in a friendly in 2004 Mr Warner had asked for the proceeds due to the Trinidad and Tobago FA to be paid directly into his personal account. Mr McBeth refused but claimed he learned later that Mr Warner had gone round several other members of the SFA staff with the same request.

The programme looks at allegations of bribes and kickbacks to Fifa officials, allegations of vote-rigging, business deals and favours for support.

Mr McBeth was due to represent the four home nations on Fifa when he made his bombshell remarks in May.

He was due to step down from his role as SFA president to take over in Zurich from compatriot David Will, with the intention of tackling corruption in the world game.

Asked about ethical standards in international football, he said the four British countries knew what fair play was but some poorer nations were in it for themselves.

"As soon as you hit Africa it's a slightly different kettle of fish. They're poor nations and want to grab what they can. I know two or three whom I'd want to count my fingers after shaking hands with them. I presume the Caribbean is much the same - they just come at it in a different way."

He also said he had won the Fifa vote because other nations hate England. "When you deal with the English it tends to be their game'.

"To put it mildly, they made a mess of it and I wandered through the middle. It's a very funny story." He added: "I'll have to be kinder to the English. I try to keep telling them their notion of themselves is unbelievable. The rest of the world hates their guts."

His remarks provoked an angry response from Mr Warner, who is from Trinidad and Tobago and is one of seven Fifa vice-presidents.

"Why did he only mention African and Caribbean countries? To me, that smacks of racism of the worst kind," he said. "We all feel deeply insulted and we will support any moves to send him back to Scotland where he belongs."

The result was Mr McBeth's place in Fifa was taken - ironically - by Englishman Geoff Thomson, chairman of the FA.

Mr McBeth tells Panorama: "I was talking about the football people that I've met and dealt with in Africa and in the Caribbean, it was football people I was talking about. I wasn't talking about the nation."

Mr Warner could not be contacted for comment yesterday. He faces a disciplinary investigation over allegations he resold 180 World Cup tickets. His family travel agency was given the rights to sell Trinidad and Tobago's entire allocation.

The main thrust of the Panorama report is whether England has a chance of hosting the World Cup in 2018 - possibly their only chance of winning it, as they did in 1966, says the programme.

When England tried seven years ago, the bid failed amid claims of dodgy deals and bribes among Fifa's leaders.

It asks whether Fifa's own ethics committee, chaired by Lord Coe, might be given a role this time in overseeing the bidding process. But the report says its real influence is under question.

It has so far failed to investigate some of the most serious allegations against Fifa.


Title: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: jonny on October 23, 2007, 01:04:00 AM
CONCACAF president denies fee allegations

LONDON (Ticker) -- CONCACAF president Jack Warner asked for the fee for an international friendly to be paid into his personal bank account, the former head of the Scottish Football Association alleged on Monday night.

John McBeth, who retired as Scottish FA president in May, told BBC TV's Panorama program that Jack Warner asked for the fee for Trinidad and Tobago's friendly match in Edinburgh in May 2004 to be paid directly to him.

Warner, a vice president of soccer's world governing body, FIFA, insists the claims are "a patent lie".

"There are one or two people on that (FIFA) executive committee that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them," McBeth said on the program. "Trinidad and Tobago came to play Scotland at Hibernian's ground in Easter Road in Edinburgh. And after the game he asked me to make a check out to his personal account for the game.

"And I said 'We don't do that, it should go to the association'. I then found out later that he'd approached several other staff in my organization ... to do exactly the same thing."

McBeth and Warner have clashed in the past - McBeth was to be the four home nations' British FIFA vice president but was dropped in May after he made comments implying African and Caribbean nations were tainted by corruption and greed.

Warner made an official complaint to FIFA saying the comments "smacked of racism".

"I was talking about the football people that I've met and dealt with in Africa and the Caribbean," McBeth told Panorama. "It was football people I was talking about. I wasn't talking about the nation.

"I'm not a racist bigot and I think it probably says more about Jack and him trying to deflect away the criticism that I was making of corruption."

Warner rejected the allegations. He told PA SportsTicker: "The statement is a patent lie issued by someone whom I got removed from the FIFA executive committee and whose memory has suddenly come to life."

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=txfifawarner&prov=st&type=lgns

Title: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 08, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
I know alot of guys are passionate about this topic, this is niether an attempt to support, defend, promote or even justify Jack Warner and his dealings, its merely a question I have to the forum.

With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

For instance
1) Would you rather get to see England on home soil, and know that Jack making some serious dollars on the side, OR never see England on home soil?

Basically, we all know Jack bad, there is no disputing that, and I wish he was a benevolent person, we would all be better off, but sometimes you got to live with compromise, and see the big picture, or sometimes you just got to say enough is enough and get rid of a tyrant...

So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 08, 2008, 04:49:47 PM
Thanks to Dreamer, here is my opinion (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021)
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: mukumsplau on June 08, 2008, 04:55:10 PM
jack is ah con full stop..if yuh want add ah T
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: davidephraim on June 08, 2008, 05:16:46 PM
jack is ah con full stop..if yuh want add ah T

Give the man a round of applause.....

No real National Patriot or football lover would allow dat small ass flag to be carried onto de field as was done in dat England game. I dont mean comparatively speaking either de shit was just small. Is de SWN BIG FLAG dat save de day where certain media houses are concerned.

Jack my ass.   Jack    ass...       Jack ass...     Jackass....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Cocorite on June 08, 2008, 06:28:40 PM
I didn't even want to open this thread. . .

If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???

We don't negotiate with terrorists, nor devils.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 08, 2008, 06:35:28 PM
O'Connor just answer d man 4 oui. I thought your answer buried d Pro part but I was wrong
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: oconnorg on June 08, 2008, 06:53:19 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean  he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Dr. Rat on June 08, 2008, 06:55:21 PM
Pro..fessional thief
Con..vict in the making

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: davidephraim on June 08, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Soon my children will come of age and just like their first Scotch and coconut water or spliff I will want to be here to see them make their first post. This forum should be nominated for some kind of award. Im not sure which but something dammit.! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: sjahrain on June 08, 2008, 07:16:07 PM
There are no pro`s with Jack.....just con`s

One after the other,only con`s......like a con....vict

 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: D.H.W on June 08, 2008, 07:30:10 PM
jack is an ass full stop, what facking pros alyuh talking about stueps.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 08, 2008, 07:39:42 PM
Dr. Rat post of d yr
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 08, 2008, 07:44:02 PM
BM here...excellent Marcus...excellent topic
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 08, 2008, 08:43:23 PM
no pros since he cont cont cont continuously does things to benefit himself and not the game....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dinho on June 08, 2008, 09:15:16 PM
in a similar vein..

Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility

i am just throwing this out for discussion..

we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.

we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.

But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.

Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?

If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.

Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so?  Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.

Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.

But what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 08, 2008, 09:52:55 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 08, 2008, 10:01:19 PM
in a similar vein..

Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility

i am just throwing this out for discussion..

we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.

we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.

But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.

Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?

If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.
Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so? Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.

Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.

But what do you guys think?

Excelent perspective, Great post. But the FIFA ethos itself with its poor accountability, transparency, governance and monopolistic big contract schemes encourages the emergence of the worst kind of greed and avarice. In a way FIFA made Jack because its structures allowed him to find opportunities to feed the less savoury aspects of his character. And for all the Vampire and Soucouyant talk, I wonder how many of us would succumb to the same temptations FIFA has given Jack.

In fact to refuse all that easy money would be indicative either of a Christ-like character or extreme stupidity. And Jack is neither of those things. Under the current global football regimen only the smaller federations with no/little in money to make are likely to act in an ethical manner.

IMO the only way to get FIFA or its major participating federations to be "above board" is to cut out the prospect of big $$$ profiteering. But that would require a return to community/amateur based football, and that horse done bolt from the gate long time.

take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

The US has a long heritage of stakeholder participation in most aspects of sport and politics and the governance systems in general are stronger. That is my guess as to why we may not hear about corruption there.

BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 08, 2008, 11:01:33 PM
Don't get it wrong..Jack does not control the U.S. or Mexico....as long as they are happy he can do whatever he wants. The U.S. has invested millions and the day they don't qualify for the world cup look for jack to be gone.....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Quags on June 08, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
in a similar vein..

Is an uncorrupt football federation a realistic possibility

i am just throwing this out for discussion..

we all know jack warner is ah blatant ole tief.

we all know he is an unsavoury character and there is no need to rehash the never ending examples of his shameful and corrupt ways.

But what i want to know is whether there is another federation on earth (or political organization for that matter) that operates devoid of the corruption that we so despise.

Do you guys think a football administration really function, stand and prosper without that element of corruption and conduct all their affairs above board?

If you look at the way business is conducted in the football world, corruption has a prominent place. Look at the gift giving, borderline bribery and shady backroom deals that takes place around every World Cup bid. Look at the way clubs and agents conduct their affairs. Right here at home, look at the monetary benefits continuously given to us because of the votes we hold sway over. Even England's presence in Trinidad in less than a week reeks of corruption.

Alot of talk going around about the money the TTFF (and Jack by extension) stands to make off this game, and it seems like the prevailing sentiment is that the less money TTFF make the better. But money makes the world go round not so?  Thats why some people have no problem with Jack tiefing he portion once we get our historic, high profile game and some money into our coffers as a plus.

Ever the optimist, I personally think its entirely possible to have a legit and above board Federation and FPATT injects hope for this.

But what do you guys think?

It might have all those shinanigans going on  in all sports ....BUT nothing like what going orn in trini .I prefer to have anyone of the leaders of any other carribbean federation incharge of our football than Jack .Jack all about Jack and his wallet,and he uses and abuses our talent cause he know we ave more coming ,even doh he does nothing to develop it .But he atleast expose how corrupt Fifa is ,to still have him so protected.
 Jack is just a gloried promoter of games ,he does nothing to help develop the game or young players .I surprise he didn t get like Don King and start an agency,for our players .
Actually jack smarter than Don King cause king dumb enough to pay his players , Jack over come this obsticle by draping his company with the flag ,so is an honour really ,it really is the perfect scam ,he really is a pro fessional Con artist.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: andre samuel on June 09, 2008, 06:06:08 AM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Hmmmm, that is an toughy!! lol

Is it brand name clothes, a top class university and plenty nice food?

What are the options?  I only getting bull once every four years? I wouldnt have to eat anyting otherwise?

We should do a anonymous poll..........lol

ah love it!!

ps, good one gilbert!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: spideybuff on June 09, 2008, 06:18:15 AM
Pro's  ????? :o ??? >:(
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on June 09, 2008, 06:25:07 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 09, 2008, 09:07:49 AM
Yez but wit a size of TNT 1 iz 2 much
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: spideybuff on June 09, 2008, 09:28:49 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 09, 2008, 09:33:09 AM
Spidey d man is d top of d mountain it is alleged dat he teach Havelange d ropes
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 09, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

Hmmmm, that is an toughy!! lol

Is it brand name clothes, a top class university and plenty nice food?

What are the options? I only getting bull once every four years? I wouldnt have to eat anyting otherwise?

We should do a anonymous poll..........lol

ah love it!!

ps, good one gilbert!!



Ah all men is kicks yes... Andre actually rationalizing! haha
thanks for the replies fellas

It seems the general consensus implied by the majority of replies is that Jack is bad, done deal we know, but many have not tackled the actual question... are we better off with him or without him? and why?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on June 09, 2008, 09:47:34 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

Quote
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 09, 2008, 10:19:37 AM
aye Venerable One, I feel that SpideyBuff was just pointing out how powerful jackula has become in FIFA and I also believe that Sepp is only just barely more powerful than jackula.
dont forget he cut his teeth under Dr. Joo Havelange, the man who made curruption in FIFA a science.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Andre on June 09, 2008, 10:54:11 AM
some people like jack.

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=36598.0
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ttcom on June 09, 2008, 12:03:51 PM
Pro: He's Trinidadian.

Cons: Total Jack ASS
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 01:30:05 PM


BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.

US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF.  Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF.  Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement.  I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 01:32:20 PM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

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U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.

You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify.  I don't care to go into it.

Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: pardners on June 09, 2008, 03:51:37 PM
I say we better off without Jack.

I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.

I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present.  Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be.  That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico.  As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?

Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners.  He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him.  The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.

Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time.  By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.

We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended.  The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them.  You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts.  You will always see the best NT on display at all times.

The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to  :'(
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dreamer on June 09, 2008, 04:11:08 PM
Well put together points pardners with a fresh perspective. Dah one register good.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Saywha on June 09, 2008, 05:14:40 PM
I didn't even want to open this thread. . .

If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???

We don't negotiate with terrorists, nor devils.


Marcus, i understand you are trying to ask a legit question and was hoping for unbaised viewpoints, but I really like how Cocorite and O'connorg (even tho quite descriptive) put it because in the end this is what matters.

"If the Devil give you a present is he good??? Is it okay to work with him???"

True because of Jack we were able to experience certain things and if there is no more Jack in Fifa we probably will have to fight very hard to reach another WC. But it is not an impossible task to reach WC with hard work, dedication and real skill on our part without Uncle Jack. 

I rather a fair, uncorrupt person with some bit of integrity any day to help us get to many WCs than a corrupt person taking all that he could get for heself and mamaguying the people of T&T.
Look at dem fellas like Birche (who did not have to represent us) , Sancho and others who were blatantly disregarded just because they were fighting to get THEIR money that THEY rightly deserved.

 Now anybody who thinks Jack is good put yourself in their position and think how you would feel if you were screwed over by someone who did so much good for the country that in de end he only studying to fill he pocket and keep everyone else under him.
If your answer to Cocorite and O'connorg question is "yes", then you may be in de same boat as Jack.

So my viewpoint is - outside with Jack!

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Brownsugar on June 09, 2008, 05:33:55 PM
Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.


Look one man who go answer Oconnorg question in de affirmative.... :devil:

As for de original question....Jack throw yuh frame!!!....
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 09, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify.  I don't care to go into it.

Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.


What good has he brought to TnT soccer???? Compare the development of US soccer and TnT soccer since 90 where at the time we had a better national structure...and after you do that tell me how much good has he done for our game...
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 09, 2008, 06:58:28 PM


BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.

US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF. Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement. I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.

The term "operates under the umbrella of CONCACAF" was my intended meaning. Coming from an uninformed T&T perspective I automatically link CONCACAF more strongly to its memeber federations because of Warner's long reach into the affairs of the TTFF and his bullying of the Dominican federation.

Come to think of it has Jack been implicated in shady deals with other feds like Panama or Mexico?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I say we better off without Jack.

I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.

I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present. Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be. That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico. As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?

Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.

Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time. By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.

We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended. The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them. You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts. You will always see the best NT on display at all times.

The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to :'(

Pardners, you make some good points...but even the Devil needs an advocate at times so I'll step up b/c I like how the discussion going.

1. To say that all the other CONCACAF teams are doing well w/o a "Jack" and so we also will do well is beyond speculative. The only CONCACAF teams doing even remotely "well" are Mexico and the US...at least with any basis of consistency. Remove Jack from the local scenario and it is unlikely that we'd come even within spitting distance of matching the type of consistency and success that those two teams enjoy. They've been blessed with resources (manpower and capital) the likes of which have are unseen anywhere else in CONCACAF.

2. To imply that England playing TnT should be no biggie is to lose sight of the fact that England playing anyone else in CONCACAF would be a huge deal. Simply put, CONCACAF outside of the US and Mexico is barely worth global mention. Your argument seems premised on the notion that it should be a given that TnT is up there with Mexico, that is entirely too presumptive a position to seriously merit consideration.

3. Camps has no clout...but outside of Europe, which domestic Federation head enjoys any real kinda clout? Even within Europe not too many Federation heads are known...let alone to the extent as to grant them 'clout'. Even if we had a different administration there's no guarantee we could pull ah team like Italy...I mean, how often they even play friendlies against non-European foes?

4. With or without Jack we'd we guaranteed nothing. To say that we'd be perennial CONCACAF powers (to the point that we always in World Cups)... well I dunno where you'd even start with that. To begin with w/o Jack CONCACAF might still only have one sure spot...let alone 3 1/2- 4 spots we enjoy now. So unless your position is that w/o Jack we'd consistently be ahead of the US and Mexico then your argument is unpursuasive.

5. Where we would agree is that there LIKELY would be greater transparency and more money for youth development etc. You also won't have a dictatorship situation (again, "likely" must be the preface here) where one family controlling local football as you put it...and coaches may have greater autonomy.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 07:19:34 PM
take a look at U.S. soccer....there might be some nepotism but as far as corruption there doesn't seem to be any....

'Seem' being the operative word... Chuck Blazer is, after all Jack's close confidante w/in CONCACAF. Jack brings and has brought a lot of good to local football...don't ask me to enumerate and don't ask me to justify. I don't care to go into it.

Suffice to say there's a lot of good and plenty bad where Jack is concerned.


What good has he brought to TnT soccer???? Compare the development of US soccer and TnT soccer since 90 where at the time we had a better national structure...and after you do that tell me how much good has he done for our game...

Where was our football before Jack? 

I'm not saying he's 100% responsible for our success to date, but neither is he 100% responsible for our lack of success to date.  From a tangible standpoint he has brought a heightened global awareness to TnT football (most of it in a positive way, some negative), in part from positioning us thru his influence, to host events like the Under-17 World Cup. 

Had it not been for his influence we still would be w/o a World Cup appearance to our names...without a doubt that has raised our global profile, and an England coming to Trinidad to play a game wouldn't be quite as ludicrous as some around the world are making it seem.  In other words, if you think the outcry regarding this trip has been loud...imagine the outcry had England come play a nothing TnT team w/o a WC to it's resume.

Like Pardners, you make the comparison to the US...seemingly positing the notion that us being better than the US is somehow a birthright, stolen from us by Warner.  I'm not sure what your rationale is for such a presumption...if it's just the usual blind jealousy/hatred for US Soccer that frequently rears its head on this board...or if there's something more substantial behind your argument.  The talent pool that the US is drawing from is infinitely larger than ours...and please don't come with the talk that the US is not a footballing nation.  Per capita that may be true compared to many other countries...but in terms of sheer numbers, the interest in the sport in the US renders that argument baseless.

So the US passing us in terms of footballing success is hardly Jack's fault, chances are that there superior resources would have led to them surpassing us regardless.  I would readily concede that had more been put into development of our football that we'd be better than we are currently, but even a 'better' TnT national program does not carry with it any guarantee that we'd be anywhere ahead of either the US or Mexico.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 07:32:30 PM


BUT U.S. soccer is overseen by CONCACAF which is ruled by Jack. So likely SOMETHING have to be going on. It might be just that the US may be well versed at keeping respectable appearences.

US soccer is NOT overseen by CONCACAF. Unlike TnT there is greater transparency in their football and the USSF is completely independent of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean that Blazer isn't pulling strings to benefit the US, but saying that CONCACAF oversees them is an overstatement. I sense that that's not quite what you meant to say.

The term "operates under the umbrella of CONCACAF" was my intended meaning. Coming from an uninformed T&T perspective I automatically link CONCACAF more strongly to its memeber federations because of Warner's long reach into the affairs of the TTFF and his bullying of the Dominican federation.

Come to think of it has Jack been implicated in shady deals with other feds like Panama or Mexico?

Still not sure that I follow you.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 09, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
Basically I did not realize that the USSF was completely independent of CONCACAF. I thought that Warner would be the puppet master in that federation just as he is in TTFF, just to a lesser extent.

The question I had asked was whether Warner has ever been implicated in bobol in other federations? I recall a discussion on this board about him negotiating TV rights to Mexico/T&T games at exorbitant profit.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
Basically I did not realize that the USSF was completely independent of CONCACAF. I thought that Warner would be the puppet master in that federation just as he is in TTFF, just to a lesser extent.

The question I had asked was whether Warner has ever been implicated in bobol in other federations? I recall a discussion on this board about him negotiating TV rights to Mexico/T&T games at exorbitant profit.

Oho...nah, Bob Gansler is in charge of the USSF and they doh really have much to do with Warner.  All that is done thru Chuck Blazer the US rep to CONCACAF.

Not sure of the answer to the other part of your question though.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: MEP on June 09, 2008, 09:00:21 PM
There is a symbiotic relationship between the USSF and Blazer.....the USSF grew because they got help from Blazer but they are at a point where his replacement would not affect their growth and output. It's a business relationship that although tenuous works well for the most part.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 09, 2008, 10:35:51 PM
Pro..fessional thief
Con..vict in the making





:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotf: :rotfl:

It does take me a very, very long time to open any jackula thread, but this was very well worth it. I cyah stop laughing! This has to be one of the funniest, most original and precise descriptions of dat stinkin' man that I have ever seen or heard!!   
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 09, 2008, 10:45:19 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

The biggest problem with this set-up, oconnorg, is that we as a people know that jack bullin we, yet we steady cockin' up we ass to take de jammin' EVERY TIME. 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: oconnorg on June 09, 2008, 11:31:50 PM
If yuh uncle take yuh in, feed yuh, clothe yuh, send yuh to skool, Does that mean he can bull yuh too ?

I ask this question in response to dis..

The biggest problem with this set-up, oconnorg, is that we as a people know that jack bullin we, yet we steady cockin' up we ass to take de jammin' EVERY TIME.

And we even handing him de greeease to bull we too..

Ah boy eh!!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Blue on June 10, 2008, 01:14:10 AM
Pros:

- Negotiated a 4th place playoff against Asia. Otherwise we would never have made World Cup.
- Nuff Trini players got work permits in England d last time England was bidding (for WC 2006).
- England friendly in Trinidad. Would never have happened without Jack.

Cons:

- D usual
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: kentsoulman on June 10, 2008, 04:18:08 AM
I'm trying to put this whole thing in perspective.

If you took 2 policemen in the USA.

The local traders depend on these cops to protect their businesses.

Both are great cops and make loads of arrests, and everyone feels safe.

Cop no 1 stops for breakfast at Dunkin Donuts every day. When he goes to pay, the owner says "this is on me, because you're doing a great job"

Cop no 2 gets a drive thru McDs and stops outside the BMW dealership. He tells the owner that he can take special care of him. He can patrol more regularly. The problem is, that the Ford dealer has just offered him a 50% discount on a new car. So, Mr BMW offers the cop the same deal.

Cop No 1 has lunch at the diner. They always give him a free dessert and coffee.

Cop No 2 doesn't eat lunch. He has a cold beer at the 5* restaurant up the road. Their exclusive clientel get trouble from the local gang hanging around in the evening. Cop No 2 says he knows these kids. He'll put a lot of pressure on them and move them down the road where the other posh restaurant is. But he'll need to give them a financial persuader. So the restaurant owner agrees to give the cop $500 per month "to buy off the gang" Cop2 says, "I'll be passing by with my wife for a meal once a month on the house. I'll collect the money then"

You can continue with this scenario into infinity. The point is this:

Everybody gets a little sweetner now and again. Whether  its in gratitude for a job well done (like a tip) or its an incentive to get good service. Technically its corruption, but in reality people don't mind as long as its deserved and reasonable.

Obviously, Jack has gone the route of the 2nd cop. People get greedy.

Jack has done great things for T&T, the Caribbean and CONCACAF. But he now thinks he can take whatever he wants and he doesn't even need to hide it!

If the whole administration was removed, it would be hard for a while. But I bet that the govt would throw themselves behind the new administration. Sponsors would come on board. There would be more money, because its not being syphoned off.

And, you never know, when world football sees the sacrifices T&T have made to rid the world of Mr Warner, you may even see a few major countries offer a B international as a reward.     
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: andre samuel on June 10, 2008, 05:53:41 AM
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.

Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football.  He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.

Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.

Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it.  Concacaf never even had a semi finalist. 

Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania.  That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.

Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.

Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.

He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification.  Where was the govt?  It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.

He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!

ah love it!!

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on June 10, 2008, 07:09:13 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

Quote
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.

You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.

So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dinho on June 10, 2008, 07:21:48 AM
Warner merely a corrupt official of an extremely corrupt organisation.

There are a hundred Jack Warners at FIFA.

He also needs to keep his mouth shut, a lot of his rantings border on the bizarre.

How dare you debase Jack Warner like that !! True there are many corrupt officials in a corrupt organisation, but Jack is top of the class eh. Doh get tie up.
Only Sepp could rival Jack in terms of his power...

And his rantings are a clear representation of his power and his corruption. He could say what he want, when he want, where he want, to who he want no matter how bizarre.

U seeing other FIFA officials doing that? Nope...cause they not in Jack class.

U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what? He make less money than "Jack's son" did eh...
but he get punished.

Jack is no mere villian padna...
 


So now we're going to have a pissing contest as to who's the bigger villain and who is the most corrupt?

You seem proud of the fact that Jack Warner is as bent as they come.

Quote
U didn hear about the African president who get kick out of FIFA for the ticket scandal in the last world cup or what?

And rightly so.

Yet Warner is still there even after everything he did with regards to Simpaul etc.

And we're arguing as to whether FIFA are corrupt or not? Jack went unpunished purely because of his position. But you seem to be one of those with that Trini mentality where a Trini in a high position has to be better than everyone at anything even in terms of corruptions and shady dealings.

I'm sure you're proud.

You juss reach pardna...yuh might want to siddung and learn a couple of the forum personalities before yuh start taking everybody post so literal.

So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.

 :rotfl:  you learning fast.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:30:03 AM
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.

Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football. He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.

Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.

Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it. Concacaf never even had a semi finalist.

Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania. That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.

Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.

Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.

He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification. Where was the govt? It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.

He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!

ah love it!!



Andre... the only thing I disagree with is you depositing the responsibility for these things at the doorstep of the government. Look at other FIFA nations, football isn't the responsibility of the respective local governments it is the responsibility of the local federation. So yeah, give Jack credit if yuh want but yuh cyah really say he picking up some slack that the government let go...Jack pick up de slack dat he own TTFF let go.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:34:07 AM
So this forum has its fair share of idiots also? Ok, point taken.
Lol...nah dred, it simply means that some men (in this case Spidey) have an understated sense of sarcasm that might be lost on many, especially the unfamiliar.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: superoli on June 10, 2008, 07:35:08 AM
I find a lot of people also ignore what copuld have been done for T&T had we had a fair and honest rep at Concacaf.
Imagine if we had a proper youth academy and development program since 1989 ? I know these are what ifs but I think people should recognise Jack does mostly everything for his own pocket and sometmes a little for the nation.

We could have been so much better now as well .....but I guess we will never know
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 10, 2008, 08:33:45 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti  made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will  make WCs without Jacks help.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: trinikev on June 10, 2008, 08:51:20 AM
I want to be honest here and state that at this moment, we would not be better off without jack warner.

Jack has done alot for Trinidad and Tobago football. He is corrupt and deceitful, but he has contributed to our game in more ways than any player can.

Without Jack Warner, we would have had no chance to go to any world cup, or see a world cup (U17) hosted in our country.

Concacaf has 3.5 World Cup spots because of jack warner because we certainly do not deserve it. Concacaf never even had a semi finalist.

Imagine the Concacaf team in 2006 qualifying had to travel to Asia while the South American team had to travel to Oceania. That was all Jack Warner and it was done to give TnT its best chance to qualify.

Love him or hate him, Leo Benhakker, Ian Potterfield, Renee Simoes etc would have never come to these shores if it was left up to the Govt.

Men of integrity in high positions are few and far between and JWarner isnt one of them, but at least i can say that our football has benefited from him.

He paid for the tours for all our women's teams and our U17 teams during their world cup qualification. Where was the govt? It is because the response of the govt in these sporting matters make me realise that we NEED him and need him badly.

He is a villan, but we would not even be sure to beat Bermuda without him!!

ah love it!!



Andre... the only thing I disagree with is you depositing the responsibility for these things at the doorstep of the government. Look at other FIFA nations, football isn't the responsibility of the respective local governments it is the responsibility of the local federation. So yeah, give Jack credit if yuh want but yuh cyah really say he picking up some slack that the government let go...Jack pick up de slack dat he own TTFF let go.

True, also i believe it is against FIFA regulations for there to be gov't influence in the football federation, as it is supposed to be a private entity. The gov't has absolutely no responsibility in this case, it is all on the TTFF.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: superoli on June 10, 2008, 09:12:57 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

thanks people forget how far we went without that tiefing good for nothing.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 10, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.
See Post...................DAT is Post
Good points Zandoh

in fact some argue that
1) Jack and he predecessors may have hindered our chances in 73
2) Jack DEFINITELY HINDERED our chances in 89
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Socafan on June 10, 2008, 10:03:34 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.

EXACTLY.... I think people who saying Jack has been good for our football either mixing up wider CONCACAF matters with local football, or just relatively recently start following the national team and local ball.

I always say, Jack has done CONCACAF the world of good. Before under dem Mexican it was just only all about Mexico. Look at CONCACAF now. Other people in the world actually know what CONCACAF is. I would say he has helped there. He could keep that.

But he need to eff off of Trini football. While CONCACAF has improved, Trini football has NEVER BEEN AS BAD AS IT HAS BEEN UNDER SO MUCH DIRECT INFLUENCE OF JACK WARNER AND TTFF. Some men just eh know the size and kinds of crowds that use to come out to see football. The passion for the North/South Classic. The proleague is a joke compared to past club rivalry. The TTFF has discouraged rather than encouraged, local active participation in football by so many players, fans and coaches it is ridiculous. The lack of professionalism is downright embarrassing.

All who supporting Jack Warner as being good for Trinidad football consider this, The TTFF is to Trinidad what the USSF is to the USA. In the same time frame from 1989 to now(cause ah realize apparently dais when nuff man start following the national team), compare the progress of both federations regarding the sport in their respective countries and see if you still believe Warner is good for TNT ball.

I'll give you a hint, nobody is calling the USSF a "Tinpot outfit"
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 10:13:03 AM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.

Is it really that hard to follow???


Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots.  Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006.  SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.  Think of it this way...three cars racing down the track, each at 100 mph.  Cars 1 and 2 have a two- car lead on car three.  Unless car three travels faster than the other two cars it's not going to catch, let alone pass the two leaders.  If there are only two prizes (WC berths) then car three will never get a prize unless it finishes ahead of the two leaders.

Another way is to create a third...and even a fourth prize, that way even though car three still finishes behind the other two, it too gets a prize.  Guess who created that third/fourth prize?  Unless you're realistically arguing that Jack held back our development to the point that he prevented us from passing the US/Mexico...we were never going to the World Cup.

Not that hard.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 10:50:39 AM
NOBODY knows what T&T football would have been like without jackula. Some of us are just a little more willing to take whatever shaft jack is willing to give for the sake of some short term enjoyment. As if England coming to T&T is really going to do for T&T football what a few well placed developmental programs could not have done for it already.I really like the kinda logic allyuh football intelectuals does put forth for the sake of arguing. Men will watch jackula treat us and our players like shit, treat so many of our coaches like shit, misappropriate all the funds that T&T football produces, and be happy to go in a nice brand new beat-up stadium to watch Enland lollygag while they on vacation. Talk about progress.

The World Cup Tournament has grown over the years, and If I am not mistaken, at one point it was only a 16-nation tournament that has now expanded to 32. The inevitability of more berths for all of the federations seems apparent to me. T&T is a nation that has produced the likes of Warren Archibald, Earl Carter, Steve Joseph and many, many more men who can hold their own at the international level without the benefit of a proper youth development program in our country. I can only imagine how many more players like them we would have produced and how well we would be competing for that THIRD SPOT (fack a tree point 5)
if we DID have one.  jackula ain't de only one who holding T&T football ransom, but I will gladly gamble with what we could have had going for us without jack.  My ass woulda STILL be in Germany having a good time in '06!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Lower St. John on June 10, 2008, 10:52:23 AM
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.

You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.

Just another way of looking at your argument.

Blessings
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 10, 2008, 10:55:16 AM
NOBODY knows what T&T football would have been like without jackula. Some of us are just a little more willing to take whatever shaft jack is willing to give for the sake of some short term enjoyment. As if England coming to T&T is really going to do for T&T football what a few well placed developmental programs could not have done for it already.I really like the kinda logic allyuh football intelectuals does put forth for the sake of arguing. Men will watch jackula treat us and our players like shit, treat so many of our coaches like shit, misappropriate all the funds that T&T football produces, and be happy to go in a nice brand new beat-up stadium to watch Enland lollygag while they on vacation. Talk about progress.

The World Cup Tournament has grown over the years, and If I am not mistaken, at one point it was only a 16-nation tournament that has now expanded to 32. The inevitability of more berths for all of the federations seems apparent to me. T&T is a nation that has produced the likes of Warren Archibald, Earl Carter, Steve Joseph and many, many more men who can hold their own at the international level without the benefit of a proper youth development program in our country. I can only imagine how many more players like them we would have produced and how well we would be competing for that THIRD SPOT (fack a tree point 5)
if we DID have one. jackula ain't de only one who holding T&T football ransom, but I will gladly gamble with what we could have had going for us without jack. My ass woulda STILL be in Germany having a good time in '06!
Chow
ALL you say there is MIND BOGGLING when one is inclined to digest it with an open mind.
we sure as hell had the TALENT to take us to EVERY WC since 73...........ah lie?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 10, 2008, 11:12:30 AM
Talent 4 sure structure no way
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 11:56:47 AM
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.

You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.

Just another way of looking at your argument.

Blessings

LSJ...nah I considered that, however the assumption is reversed.  Like others before you, you too are arguing a variant of the same position...that without Jack Trinidad's position would have been far advanced beyond where we are now.  Even if I were to concede that point is there any rational basis to conclude that we would be ahead of either the US or Mexico?  Hardly.  Most seem ready to concede that we'd be behind Mexico, but are less gracious in conceding the lead to the US. 

Many seem deceived by the notion that the US Soccer program came out of nowhere when in fact soccer has been in the US for over 160 yrs, dating back to the times of the US Civil War.  The USSF in fact is only five years younger than the TTFF (I believe the TTFF was founded in 1908...with this whole centennial talk), and for all the ole talk without a doubt soccer has enjoyed greater participation (if not popularity) in the US, than it has in TnT...just looking at the numbers of people playing it.  Now the percentage of US soccer fans relative to the entire US population...that percentage might be lower than in TnT, but that doesn't affect how widespread or popular the sport is...this is what most fail to understand when they look at the US as some just come on the soccer stage.  The USSF was one of the earliest member federations in FIFA, and the US has had good showings at the earlier WC finals.

The thing is that they fell off the international football map until 1990, but that game in 1990 did not mark the rebirth of "soccer" in the US.  You have to go back to the 1984 Olympic Games for that...and one man in particular, Alan Rothenberg, former USSF President.  He was in charge of the soccer part of the olympics, and he was shrewd when it comes to marketing sports thru his involvement with the LA Lakers among other teams, and his prior involvement with NASL soccer.  From that base in 1984 he put forth a ten year plan to secure the Olympics in 1994, which they did.  He then used that as a launch pad for a new domestic soccer league, MLS in 1996.  See it wasn't just luck, but mapping out small achieveable goals one building upon the other, to slowly make soccer a major player in the US.  This is what people don't give the Americans credit for.  The interest was there, but you needed a catalyst to design a plan and put it into play.  American soccer was going to develop whether they beat us in 1990 or not because they were well on their way to hosting the 94 Cup by then.

So...even if you take Jack out the TnT picture, how were we to compete with all that?  You could argue that having a more dedicated, smarter, innovative etc. TTFF leadership...but still, none of that would have guaranteed that we have surpassed the US or Mexico by now.  So that still leaves the top two spots accounted for, and w/o Jack there likely would be no third or fourth spot because no third or fourth team has shown the type of consistency (against the top two) or enjoyed the type of results against non-CONCACAF opponents (at the WC for instance) to merit our region getting another spot. 

So as for the speculative argument put forth by Mango Chow that we "inevitably" would have gotten more spots for CONCACAF is laughable.  Even if the WC was expanded, more likely to get those additional spots would be the more competitive Federations such as Europe, Africa, South America and even Asia. All of them (excepting perhaps Asia) deserve another spot ahead of CONCACAF based on the performance of their teams.  All of them developing 10 Drogbas and Edgar Davids for ever Warren Archibald we develop.  If not for Jack's influence we ent smelling ah third spot, let alone a fourth.  Without those two additional spots it would have been near impossible for TnT to qualify ahead of either the US or Mexico.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Blue on June 10, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
Why do people assume that we could not have made a world cup without Jack Warner? Jamaica and Haiti made the World Cup so why couldn't we?, ? They have never had anything in football near the likes of JW.

We came VERY close in '73 WITHOUT Jack pulling strings and we were within a hairs breath in 1989 by the merit of our players alone, not by Jack running roughshod all over CONCACAF. In fact some talk is that Jack negatively affected the morale of the 1989 players.

All we needed before was passion for the game on the part of players and fans. The players have passion but when the powers that be make changes to bring the fans back the game we will make WCs without Jacks help.

Is it really that hard to follow???


Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made. Think of it this way...three cars racing down the track, each at 100 mph. Cars 1 and 2 have a two- car lead on car three. Unless car three travels faster than the other two cars it's not going to catch, let alone pass the two leaders. If there are only two prizes (WC berths) then car three will never get a prize unless it finishes ahead of the two leaders.

Another way is to create a third...and even a fourth prize, that way even though car three still finishes behind the other two, it too gets a prize. Guess who created that third/fourth prize? Unless you're realistically arguing that Jack held back our development to the point that he prevented us from passing the US/Mexico...we were never going to the World Cup.

Not that hard.

Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.

By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: FF on June 10, 2008, 12:09:22 PM
So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

so anyhowz

BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 12:36:40 PM

Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.

By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D

I could concede that...an argument could be made that we'd perenially be in contention for one of the top three spots without Jack.  Speculation could be made to counter that that Jack had a hand in the expansion from 24 to 32 specifically to benefit CONCACAF....that would be pure speculation though.


So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

Of course he would seek the best interest of the region... but I don't think we should fool ourselves to ignore that Jack pushes the interests of CONCACAF generally... but the interest of TnT football specifically.  Any gains made by a CONCACAF nation under his watch benefits his legacy.  Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other.

so anyhowz

BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?

I do believe we have been better with him at the helm.

I don't believe it's impossible to conclude that, because it's easier to quantify tangible gains under his watch, than it is to measure speculative gains that we could have made/been making under someone else's watch.

It would be wrong to attribute all those "gains" to him...but even if we were to give him credit for just one or two...that is still more concrete than any hypothetical alternate scenario...saying "yeah but, under somebody else who knows what we would have had".  That's precisely the problem, we don't know.  Just as we don't know just how good we'd be if he wasn't so corrupt, petty...etc. etc.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: trinikev on June 10, 2008, 01:02:36 PM

Bakes, thats probably not true. WC went from 24 to 32 teams in 98 - every confederation got more places.

By the way (and this isnt directed at you Bakes), this thread has way too many analogies!!! Why men can just argue d pros and cons, we all know who and what we talkin bout here ;D

I could concede that...an argument could be made that we'd perenially be in contention for one of the top three spots without Jack. Speculation could be made to counter that that Jack had a hand in the expansion from 24 to 32 specifically to benefit CONCACAF....that would be pure speculation though.


So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

Of course he would seek the best interest of the region... but I don't think we should fool ourselves to ignore that Jack pushes the interests of CONCACAF generally... but the interest of TnT football specifically. Any gains made by a CONCACAF nation under his watch benefits his legacy. Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other.




I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 01:05:15 PM
Without Jack CONCACAF would still only have 1...possibly two spots. Without Jack there would have been no 3rd spot for Jamaica to get in 98...and no 4th spot for TnT to get in 2006. SO..... unless TnT became a better team than either the US or Mexico, there is no way we would have gotten to the WC, and by every objective measure those two teams VERY LIKELY would have progressed to the point that they're now at inspite of whatever other progress we made.

You are assuming that Jack is not a major factor in the fact that Mexico and the United States have advanced to the point that they are considered automatic qualifiers from Concacaf. Not so much in that they have advanced but we have not. Why? Blame the players, the coaches, the government? But don't blame the administration headed by Jack. We have shown at different times that we can play with Mexico. Jack was at the forefront of our football when the US rose to be a football power in Concacaf. Many would argue that player personell wise in the 80's and 90's, the crop of players from T&T were not far behind and even on par with the US players but we never truly improved.

Just another way of looking at your argument.

Blessings

LSJ...nah I considered that, however the assumption is reversed. Like others before you, you too are arguing a variant of the same position...that without Jack Trinidad's position would have been far advanced beyond where we are now. Even if I were to concede that point is there any rational basis to conclude that we would be ahead of either the US or Mexico? Hardly. Most seem ready to concede that we'd be behind Mexico, but are less gracious in conceding the lead to the US.

Many seem deceived by the notion that the US Soccer program came out of nowhere when in fact soccer has been in the US for over 160 yrs, dating back to the times of the US Civil War. The USSF in fact is only five years younger than the TTFF (I believe the TTFF was founded in 1908...with this whole centennial talk), and for all the ole talk without a doubt soccer has enjoyed greater participation (if not popularity) in the US, than it has in TnT...just looking at the numbers of people playing it. Now the percentage of US soccer fans relative to the entire US population...that percentage might be lower than in TnT, but that doesn't affect how widespread or popular the sport is...this is what most fail to understand when they look at the US as some just come on the soccer stage. The USSF was one of the earliest member federations in FIFA, and the US has had good showings at the earlier WC finals.

The thing is that they fell off the international football map until 1990, but that game in 1990 did not mark the rebirth of "soccer" in the US. You have to go back to the 1984 Olympic Games for that...and one man in particular, Alan Rothenberg, former USSF President. He was in charge of the soccer part of the olympics, and he was shrewd when it comes to marketing sports thru his involvement with the LA Lakers among other teams, and his prior involvement with NASL soccer. From that base in 1984 he put forth a ten year plan to secure the Olympics in 1994, which they did. He then used that as a launch pad for a new domestic soccer league, MLS in 1996. See it wasn't just luck, but mapping out small achieveable goals one building upon the other, to slowly make soccer a major player in the US. This is what people don't give the Americans credit for. The interest was there, but you needed a catalyst to design a plan and put it into play. American soccer was going to develop whether they beat us in 1990 or not because they were well on their way to hosting the 94 Cup by then.

So...even if you take Jack out the TnT picture, how were we to compete with all that? You could argue that having a more dedicated, smarter, innovative etc. TTFF leadership...but still, none of that would have guaranteed that we have surpassed the US or Mexico by now. So that still leaves the top two spots accounted for, and w/o Jack there likely would be no third or fourth spot because no third or fourth team has shown the type of consistency (against the top two) or enjoyed the type of results against non-CONCACAF opponents (at the WC for instance) to merit our region getting another spot.

So as for the speculative argument put forth by Mango Chow that we "inevitably" would have gotten more spots for CONCACAF is laughable. Even if the WC was expanded, more likely to get those additional spots would be the more competitive Federations such as Europe, Africa, South America and even Asia. All of them (excepting perhaps Asia) deserve another spot ahead of CONCACAF based on the performance of their teams. All of them developing 10 Drogbas and Edgar Davids for ever Warren Archibald we develop. If not for Jack's influence we ent smelling ah third spot, let alone a fourth. Without those two additional spots it would have been near impossible for TnT to qualify ahead of either the US or Mexico.

 Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 10, 2008, 01:15:41 PM
So wait nah bake and shark... concacaf get them extra spots becasue the president was a trini....

that is real toots...

Jack Warner get them spots for Trinidad.. or for Concacaf? I think it would be incumbent upon ANY concacaf president to seek the best interests of the region...

so anyhowz

BnS in your opinion... do you believe all football in Trinidad has been better off or worse with Jack at the helm?
or do you believe it is impossible to make such a judgement with the knowledge at hand?

It real obvious that the global popularity and financial opportunities of football have grown exponentially, INDEPENDENT of CONCACAF. Seems to me that Warner was exploiting this trend in expanding the spots in our region more than he was actually creating demand from nothing. As such I totally agree that it would be incumbent on ANY person in that position to do exactly as Jack did. His ties to Blatter and personal qualities have no doubt greased his way a little but anyone with a 1/2 clue could see the potential for power and financial rewards in expansion.

After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future?

 I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.

Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:05:24 PM
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??

How is that different from anything I have said?

"Any gains made by TnT football under his CONCACAF watch benefits not only his legacy, but benefits him personally since Jack and the TTFF are synonymous with each other."
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:08:09 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter.  Come back when yuh making some sense.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: FF on June 10, 2008, 02:08:58 PM
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??

How is that different from anything I have said?


The way you say it... could be interpreted as pushing TnT's interests first, and benefiting on the side...

Whereas many feel that is Jack interests FIRST and FOREMOST... TnT's interests if and when it suits him...

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future? I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.

Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.



That's a different question, possibly requiring a different thread... or in the least, should be tabled until we've exhausted this discussion, no? Leh we keep de goalpost and dem whey dey is nuh?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
I have a slight disagreement to that statement i bolded there. Yes I believe he pushes the best interest of CONCACAF generally, and the region has benefitted with the extra WC place/s. However I believe for the most part that he pushes his own interests whenever he does anything for T&T football. It's always about how HE can profit. I mean, he took something as amazing and joyous as our qualification for the WC, and somehow made it the onset of a downward spiral for our football. Instead of using it as a platform to move our football forward, he made us an embarrassment to the football world. Nobody who want the best for our football would do something like that.

Then again, what chupidness i saying, is the damn players' fault for not bending over and taking the bull, like good puppets, ent??

How is that different from anything I have said?


The way you say it... could be interpreted as pushing TnT's interests first, and benefiting on the side...

Whereas many feel that is Jack interests FIRST and FOREMOST... TnT's interests if and when it suits him...



I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mine to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: FF on June 10, 2008, 02:17:27 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.


I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....

Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 02:18:33 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.


I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....



You certainly could... I just think that's harder (though not necessarily impossible) to prove.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 10, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with how I say it...that is a subjective analysis. I not inside Jack head to know his priorities and nobody inside mind to know my assumptions of his priorities. We could just easily bypass all that and say that Jack working to benefit both TnT football and himself. We'd all be in agreement. You could even say that Jack has personally benefitted more from his tenure than TnT football has... and we might all still be in agreement.
I think you could even further say that Jack has benefited at the expense of TnT football on many occasions....
I most definitely concur FF
his decisions are NOT based on the GOOD of Football and the players
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 02:30:23 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Deeks on June 10, 2008, 02:48:31 PM
This pro/con argument has me  cagitated. Under Jack watch, Concacaf, has benefitted. Give him that. It so happen we were very, very fortunate to get to Germany by the sweat and tenacity of the players. Not Jack. Our journey to Germany was made on the football field. Not Jack. Did we get a invitation or a bye into the WC. No. Our players played by the rules to get there. If Jack did anything under the table, then it is wrong. We don't want that. We can qualify on our own merit. With or without Jack. In 1974,  when it was 16 we were almost got there, but bad decisions by the ref denied us.

 
If all you implying we can't go the the future WCs if Jack not there, then all saying that the only way for us to go to WC is for Jack to cheat so we can get in. All you think he paid the referees to get in this last Wc. IF so, then I can't support our team if that happened. That is wrong.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: pardners on June 10, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
I say we better off without Jack.

I see all them other CONCACAF teams doing pretty well without Jack and no doubt we could do the same.

I think is because of Jack we in the situation we are in at present. Look how we feeling, that for England to come here is a big thing, when that shouldn't be. That eh no biggy in the US or Mexico. As a matter of fact...right now if the US or Mexico come here is a big thing for we...why ?

Yuh have to remember that whilst Jack uses his clout...Camps have none, possibly because he is being stifled by Jack at all corners. He probably like it so too, because his name doh really get call in any bachanal, mainly Jack's, so that working for him. The point I trying to make is that maybe if TTFF had a boss with balls, he mighta be able to rounds up Italy to come and play here.

Once we get rid of Jack and his administration, and a new vibrant and working admin take over, our team will make a natural progression to be amongst the ranks of USA and Mexico et al, within a couple years time. By then games against England and the likes will become the norm, and we will not feel like is a handout or that we 'boss' doing a good thing for we.

We would get a chance to see accountability and monies going towards the development programs for which it was intended. The best coaches coming and picking the teams they want to, not what is told to them. You will not see one 'football family' controlling national teams and benefitting of player contracts. You will always see the best NT on display at all times.

The country will unite like never before, we will always be in the WCs and...and...and...just the dream making me feel to :'(

Pardners, you make some good points...but even the Devil needs an advocate at times so I'll step up b/c I like how the discussion going.

1. To say that all the other CONCACAF teams are doing well w/o a "Jack" and so we also will do well is beyond speculative. The only CONCACAF teams doing even remotely "well" are Mexico and the US...at least with any basis of consistency. Remove Jack from the local scenario and it is unlikely that we'd come even within spitting distance of matching the type of consistency and success that those two teams enjoy. They've been blessed with resources (manpower and capital) the likes of which have are unseen anywhere else in CONCACAF.

2. To imply that England playing TnT should be no biggie is to lose sight of the fact that England playing anyone else in CONCACAF would be a huge deal. Simply put, CONCACAF outside of the US and Mexico is barely worth global mention. Your argument seems premised on the notion that it should be a given that TnT is up there with Mexico, that is entirely too presumptive a position to seriously merit consideration.

3. Camps has no clout...but outside of Europe, which domestic Federation head enjoys any real kinda clout? Even within Europe not too many Federation heads are known...let alone to the extent as to grant them 'clout'. Even if we had a different administration there's no guarantee we could pull ah team like Italy...I mean, how often they even play friendlies against non-European foes?

4. With or without Jack we'd we guaranteed nothing. To say that we'd be perennial CONCACAF powers (to the point that we always in World Cups)... well I dunno where you'd even start with that. To begin with w/o Jack CONCACAF might still only have one sure spot...let alone 3 1/2- 4 spots we enjoy now. So unless your position is that w/o Jack we'd consistently be ahead of the US and Mexico then your argument is unpursuasive.

5. Where we would agree is that there LIKELY would be greater transparency and more money for youth development etc. You also won't have a dictatorship situation (again, "likely" must be the preface here) where one family controlling local football as you put it...and coaches may have greater autonomy.

Bakes, I like how yuh take mih points apart...
Doh ever do that again eh....ah know where yuh living eh fella  ;D

Anyway on a more serious note, yes there was a lot of speculation on my part, but when yuh consider where our football was before Jack, all things being consider one would argue that we were perhaps better off.  We used to actually beat USA and Mexico.  Another thing is that my point wasn't just that we could do without Jack or his influence, but more so that if there was someone else in the position, who was not as corrupt...MAYBE...our football might actually prosper.  Who is to say someone else would not have been able to get 4 spots for CONCACAF in the normal course of their responsibilities ?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 10, 2008, 03:22:53 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.


lets us try not to de-evolve into throwing stones, like so many other threads, the debate going good, I think bake n shark make some good points from a logical stand point and I also see that there have been many good counter points... no need for who is a footballer and who is not, I tend not to judge a book by its cover. But also even the being a best footballer doesn't mean you are good at management and development and vice versa. I like the input
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: ZANDOLIE on June 10, 2008, 04:29:31 PM
After all the talk done the question to ask is this. Will the continuing tenure of Jack Warner as ruler of CONCACAF produce a net benefit to the game in the near to long term future? I say no. Seems to me he is no longer driven by IDEAS or INNOVATIVE thinking, assuming that was once a motivating factor in his prseidency.

Perhaps it might be fitting to suggest that Jack initially created benefits, but his presence in his current capacity is detrimental to the game in the long term.



That's a different question, possibly requiring a different thread... or in the least, should be tabled until we've exhausted this discussion, no? Leh we keep de goalpost and dem whey dey is nuh?


The goalposts dem are exactly where Marcus had them. Here are his questions....

"(1) With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

(2) So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning. "

The questions are asked in the future continous and thus was the answer given. But the questions themselves ask about how an unspecified "other" will perform, and of course it is impossible to surmise, given that no information is available about this person or future events that will impact events.

The question is simply rephrased to include a known quantity, i.e. Jack's track record. The question still remains essentially: Will Jack's continuation as head of CONCACAF provide more benefit for T&T than a foreigner. My language and logic is perhaps not always precise enough, I'm working on it  :)


But I think this is essentially the quintessential question Marcus raised. Marcus could tell us if my comments were off base or not.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 10, 2008, 04:50:04 PM
Boy I tell yuh. You read book and don't know chapter. You want to throw out the words like "laughable" and "speculative" and yet YOU cannot tell me who would have gotten those extra spots that JH campained fifa for........I will give you time to do the math.....ahhh, sorry, the research.

Yuh regurgitating out all the research you went to perform and you are yet to acknowledge that, for all that work that Alan Rothenberg performed, he understood that usa soccer wasn't going anywhere at the senior level, unless they properly developed their YOUTHS. I'm sure you, the omnipotent one, was at the Hasely Crawford that fateul night back in '83 to see for yourself. You is the kinda man who could tell people all what Roger Milla and Cameroun was doing in Italy in 1990 don't have a CLUE (well, now you do, thanks to google) what strides them African Nations were making and the impact they were having at the youth Tournaments that would eventally, or, dare I say "inevitably" spill over into their performances at the senior level.

What jackula has done "for" T&T football, as you want to put it has all been self serving and counter productive and for all the money he has stolen, he could have kept on stealing as far as I am concerned, it's just that some of it could have been better appropriated towards a better cause for our football.
I dare say that proper investment in our youth development would have taken us many, many strides ahead of where we are now.

You sound bitter. Come back when yuh making some sense.

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.


lets us try not to de-evolve into throwing stones, like so many other threads, the debate going good, I think bake n shark make some good points from a logical stand point and I also see that there have been many good counter points... no need for who is a footballer and who is not, I tend not to judge a book by its cover. But also even the being a best footballer doesn't mean you are good at management and development and vice versa. I like the input

  It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade. It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.

  jack warner has never sought to develop football in T&T, not for the purpose of seeing us develop as a nation. jack feeds us. he has fed us with stadia, tournaments and trinkets while doing everything in his power to stifle our ability to grow. "to fish," so to speak. We still ain't teaching our footballing children how to pass, trap and shoot properly in no acadamy. How we expect them to do it, when they get big, against England?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:06:12 PM

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.

Yuh right breds yuh brand mih a non-footballer and ah should know mih place, I need to show more deference tuh allyuh professional sweat-ballers in future.  I mean...who de hell I think I is putting up mere intellectual debate against your years of small-goal expertise?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:17:36 PM
Bakes, I like how yuh take mih points apart...
Doh ever do that again eh....ah know where yuh living eh fella ;D

Anyway on a more serious note, yes there was a lot of speculation on my part, but when yuh consider where our football was before Jack, all things being consider one would argue that we were perhaps better off. We used to actually beat USA and Mexico. Another thing is that my point wasn't just that we could do without Jack or his influence, but more so that if there was someone else in the position, who was not as corrupt...MAYBE...our football might actually prosper. Who is to say someone else would not have been able to get 4 spots for CONCACAF in the normal course of their responsibilities ?

yeah man pardners..ah just like tuh try and do things in ah analytical way...doh buss mih head  ;D

We probably were better off before him, and probably would be better off w/o him, who knows?  I just don't think that saying "we used to regularly beat Mexico and the US" really means much.  Uruguay used to regularly beat everybody...who dey beating now?

Maybe someone else would have been better than Jack...but no questioning where we are with Jack...good and bad.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:20:58 PM
The goalposts dem are exactly where Marcus had them. Here are his questions....

"(1) With all the negative things Jack has done, do we benefit more by having him or not having him?
If Jack Warner were to resign from FIFA, more than likely the next Concacaf Representative will not be from Trinidad, will a US Representative do better for Trinidad than Jack Warner, will we better off?

(2) So are we better off with Money Man Jack or would we better off with another (foreign) representative for Concacaf?
Answer as if we are dealing in absolutes, yes we will be better off, no we wont be better off... and state your reasoning. "

The questions are asked in the future continous and thus was the answer given. But the questions themselves ask about how an unspecified "other" will perform, and of course it is impossible to surmise, given that no information is available about this person or future events that will impact events.

The question is simply rephrased to include a known quantity, i.e. Jack's track record. The question still remains essentially: Will Jack's continuation as head of CONCACAF provide more benefit for T&T than a foreigner. My language and logic is perhaps not always precise enough, I'm working on it :)


But I think this is essentially the quintessential question Marcus raised. Marcus could tell us if my comments were off base or not.


Yeah you right, he asked more than one question... I stand corrected  :beermug:


I still overhere kicking at de "has Jack been good or bad fuh we" goal doh.  My bad.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 10, 2008, 07:30:21 PM
It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade.

Yuh right...logic has no place in an argument.  Too bad we can't just log on and kick ah ball in silence, ent?

It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.

I did ???  Where? 

Only coach I ever coach is ah bunch ah 8-year old American chirren who couldn't tell yuh dey left foot from dey right hand.  Me eh no football player (you done establish dat), me eh no coach and I ent no lawyer.  In fact, my post and dem have too much logic in it fuh you so doh even bother hut up yuh head wid all ah dat, juss go hit ah man two spanner and call dat George.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: R45 on June 10, 2008, 10:41:40 PM
This might be the biggest pile of horse ship i read on this forum for the longest while. Allyuh wasting your time arguing about something entirely speculative and that none of us have any sort of control of. How many f'in jack warner topics must we have on this forum, it aint changing one damn ting.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 08:30:55 AM

  :rotfl: I'll never make sense to you, boss. I'm a person that plays the game and you're a football intelectual. You know everything that information can teach to a non-footballer and I my appreciation for the sport comes from a more involved perspective. But I can accept clowns like you because, even though you always puttin' your foot in your mouth and making yourself look the educated fool, rife with self contradictions and petty diversions, there's still plenty space in the world for you. You'll eventually grow.

Yuh right breds yuh brand mih a non-footballer and ah should know mih place, I need to show more deference tuh allyuh professional sweat-ballers in future. I mean...who de hell I think I is putting up mere intellectual debate against your years of small-goal expertise?


 :yawning:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 08:31:45 AM
It's not a matter of throwing stones, Marcus. It's actually a statement of fact. bake and shark's arguments you say, make for good points from a "logical" standpoint but football is not played in books or a courtroom, where he undoubtedly plies his trade.

Yuh right...logic has no place in an argument. Too bad we can't just log on and kick ah ball in silence, ent?

It is played on the field. If bake and shark cannot or refuses to see the perspective of my points then he is just being a typical lawyer arguing his case. No scene, but he has claimed to have been involved in coaching somewhere in his homeland but shows me to have not learned much from his experiences. ??? Even some of his own padnahs on the forum have had to (nicely, of course) show him the irrationale, inaccuracies and conjecture in his own arguments.

I did ??? Where?

Only coach I ever coach is ah bunch ah 8-year old American chirren who couldn't tell yuh dey left foot from dey right hand. Me eh no football player (you done establish dat), me eh no coach and I ent no lawyer. In fact, my post and dem have too much logic in it fuh you so doh even bother hut up yuh head wid all ah dat, juss go hit ah man two spanner and call dat George.
:yawning:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: JDB on June 11, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dinho on June 11, 2008, 09:27:49 AM
:applause::applause::applause::applause:
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: superoli on June 11, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
I think that joke I posted is very applicable to this subject and by the way that post above by JDB is a boss post !

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=36066.0
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: WestCoast on June 11, 2008, 09:40:17 AM
Brilliant Post there JDB

I just want to quote a small part to Drive your point home

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: takenoprisoners on June 11, 2008, 10:01:22 AM
Thanks JDB, good post. :beermug:
We have only ourselves to blame for the stranglehold Jack has on our football. We cannot even get "supporters" to wear black because, "it too hot". : :(
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2008, 10:39:54 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.


Good post...there were some minor points that I was tempted to respond to but nothing in the long run worthy of argument.

Some made one or two similar points earlier but didn't support them as well. As I said before youth development has suffered, and definitely with more investment in youth programs our senior programs would be in better shape and we likely would have a larger pool of foreign-based professionals. Also as stated much earlier, I'm sure we are all in agreement that Jack has benefited much more than TnT football has from this relationship.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 11:17:15 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either don`t know or don`t care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jack`s "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jack`s TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90`s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jack`s control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they haven`t been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70`s, 80`s and early 90`s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jack`s Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in `06 and `10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Gov`t to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in ``accomplishments`` that are the result of Jack`s strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnT`s best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnT`s dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.


JDB, ah didn't know yuh had it "in yuh." Like yuh drink a guiness dis mawnin. :beermug:

Thanks for putting the obvious in "logical" form so that those of us blinded by their own logic and blind to the reality and truth could understand. Really goes to show how some men does jess want to argue tings because they like te sound of their own fingertips on a keyboard.


I really, really like your line about jack owing T&T football "....more than he could ever repay."  No truer words have ever been spoken.

 
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: marcus on June 11, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
The people who are proposing that Jack is/was good for our football and even those who are taking an equivocal stance and unsure either dont know or dont care to know about the history of Jack Warner and our football.

Some talking about speculating about where the football would have been and counting Jacks "tangible" achievements yet ignoring all of his numerous "tangible" failures.

To be clear, as Pardners suggests you have to compare Jack and his TTFF to a hypothetical alternative but this could be easily done by examining how Jacks TTFF has performed and asking whether their performance has been par for the course.

It is without a doubt below par when you consider that the job of the TTFF should be development and advancement of our football.

In the 90s we start a pro-league and we are seeing the benefits of that now but there was one 15 years earlier that Jack personally destroyed because he did not control it.

Under Jacks control we have a federation that is 5th rate. Always broke, unprofessional and unaccountable. Some people see that as a footnote, a minor indiscretion, but that has to be the biggest point to judge them on because it is an indictment of the performance of the federation. It is the biggest indicator that the success on the field is in spite of, and not because of our federation.

It is not a stretch to assume that we would have better results with a federation that was even passable, and more importantly, ACCOUNTABLE for their performance and subject to revolution, if necessary. That is not speculation anymore than saying that the WC team playing for the last two years with no Blacklist, would be better than the team we have now. The fact that they havent been playing and that we ARE worse off (no speculation there) is a direct result of Jack.

Chow is right when he alludes to youth development. In the 70s, 80s and early 90s we had no shortage of talented youngsters. Not necessarily better than in African or Asian countries or even the rest of Concacaf but good enough o be competitive hence our success in competing for WC berths in those decades. A half decent federation would have been able to develop a coherent youth programme. Why because it is not rocket science and there are models all over the world to follow. Such programmes in the last 20 years would have had a greater impact on our football, where we have more talent than structure, than larger countries like England and the US where they already have structured football development.

Now as for Jacks Concacaf accomplishments.

The extra place and a half for Concacaf has less to do with Jack than with the fact that the Concacaf head controls 30 plus votes. Yes Jack is particular good at FIFA politics but the 3rd place was always coming with the expansion from 24 to 32 because we missed out when they expanded from 16 to 24. Jack had nothing to do with that. The extra 0.5 spot is ours in 06 and 10 because Asia had too many spots, again very little to do with Jack, and it is unreasonable to suggest that another Concacaf head would not have earned the spot.

What Jack has done for TnT that a different Concacaf head would not is give us the U17 WC and get the Govt to build new Stadia. I am not counting the CoE because the main beneficiary of that is Joe Public (we know ho owns that) and the company that makes money of the Hotel, conference centre and restaurant there (guess who owns it?).

Now you could argue the value of the U17 WC but that is a tournament attended by teams and media only and gets very little intl exposure (not even 1/20th of a senior WC).

Also I have a hard time basking in accomplishments that are the result of Jacks strongarm tactics or unprofessionalism like the England game or even the CoE. He is basically taking advantage of his Concacaf role to help one federation where he has a personal interest.

FF is right everytime we rejoice for Uncle Jack giving us such a gift keep in mind that he is just as nepotistic and self-serving for his own interests when they collide with TnTs best interests.

The biggest joke is that Jack "give" TnT something when, in fact, Jack built his powerbase, the CFU, on the back of TnTs dominance of Caribbean football. No TnT success and no CFU, no Concacaf and no FIFA for Jack. The irony is that now that he all-powerful we not even the best in the Caribbean anymore. Jack owes TnT football more than he could ever repay.

The question that those pro-Jack have to ask is Why is Jack such a fantastic success at managing his personal businesses and FIFA yet he is so unsuccessful at managing a federation where he has total control and no oversight (a situation that he has engineered). There is no way the pros could even come close to the cons because jack believes that he is the be all and end all where our football is concerned and he generally disregards dissenting opinions even when he is dead wrong. At the end of the day the federation suffers.





Excellent points JDB... another angle to consider....

As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

But with that said;
Its takes a massive amount of resources to truly develop a successful and sustainable program, (eg. MLS currently runs a loss of 350mm USD since being formed) being from a small caribbean nation where do these financial resources come from? Jack is definitely to blame for some of it, but arguably the money he has filtered out of the system probably wont even begin to scratch the surface of the totality of funds needed.

So are we the Fans just as much to blame for not supporting our local football in the various ways? Are we "general public" just as much to blame? What about corporate sponsors, its their civic and corporate responsibilty to give back to the communtiy in varying ways, is this being done on an agreeable level? Or are we ust to small of a nation with a lack of resource to get things done properly, is this our footballing fate?

I think in order to succeed for a country of our size, in anything we do, we need a collabortive effort from Govt, Corp, TTFA and the Public. But from a footballing perspective, is it Jack and his shrewd ways that has alienated these factions, from getting involved. I would say that each of these entities has failed TnT football in varying ways over the years? 

Including myself. I am to Blame!
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 11, 2008, 11:26:57 AM
How d other sports develop dey have much less resources we reach a hockey WC if 5000 peeps does go hockey dey go b happy
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Lower St. John on June 11, 2008, 11:29:53 AM
As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

Actually it is all countries. Men must understand that FIFA dictates this separation. If a government truly intervenes in the running of football (demanding transparencsy and going further to probe the dealings of the federation), the result would be the country being banned from International football. This is one of the known mechanisms for why Jack and his cronies have been allowed to exist for so long and with the change in constitution from the old TTFA where they could have been voted out by the local clubs, they are untouchable.

The only argument to keep focusing on is the lack of development (Youth - Senior level) of football under the direction of Jack Warner. Please folks stopping pointing to tournaments hosted. This is not a pre-requisite for development. How many Concacaf tournaments has the US or Mexico hosted? Note how and who makes money when a tournament is hosted (catering, hotels, travel arrangement) and you will better understand or appreciate how Jack has benifited.

Hey, the darkest cloud has a silver lining.

Blessing
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 11:41:18 AM
As one person mentioned earlier, the Govt is not responsible for our football development and in many countries their Federations are a separate entity from the State, although I still believe the Govt gives a helping hand in some instances.

Actually it is all countries. Men must understand that FIFA dictates this separation. If a government truly intervenes in the running of football (demanding transparencsy and going further to probe the dealings of the federation), the result would be the country being banned from International football. This is one of the known mechanisms for why Jack and his cronies have been allowed to exist for so long and with the change in constitution from the old TTFA where they could have been voted out by the local clubs, they are untouchable.

The only argument to keep focusing on is the lack of development (Youth - Senior level) of football under the direction of Jack Warner. Please folks stopping pointing to tournaments hosted. This is not a pre-requisite for development. How many Concacaf tournaments has the US or Mexico hosted? Note how and who makes money when a tournament is hosted (catering, hotels, travel arrangement) and you will better understand or appreciate how Jack has benifited.

Hey, the darkest cloud has a silver lining.

Blessing

 Not to mention (I heard) the U-17 WC of '01 is the only FIFA tournament of its kind to have reported a loss. I am not surprised. jack ALWAYS claiming every  venture to be a loss.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: weary1969 on June 11, 2008, 11:47:03 AM
Profit not in he dictionary is only loss
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: pardners on June 11, 2008, 12:40:21 PM
JDB, yuh is a boss.  I think I will store that post to send to the editor when the time is most appropriate.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Bakes on June 11, 2008, 12:44:15 PM
Truetrini get kidnap or what... how come he ent reach yet to add he piece?
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 11, 2008, 01:05:30 PM
Profit not in he dictionary is only loss


    You will NEVER find the word "profit" in jackula dictionary book.  Only in he bank book.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Deeks on June 11, 2008, 06:10:03 PM
JDB,
           Good post. I know I could not have presented it any better. I am certainly bitter about the situation with this game. I hope Hunt stand firm and dont turn to Jello.  Good luck to the Warriors.
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: Dutty on June 11, 2008, 06:11:45 PM
JDB, yuh is a boss.  I think I will store that post to send to the editor when the time is most appropriate.

ent? dat should be required reading for everybody who boo hunt
Title: Re: Jack Warner - Pro's and Con's
Post by: dreamer on June 11, 2008, 06:17:05 PM
JDB ..... big up!
SW.net on fyahh
Title: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Sam on September 02, 2009, 05:14:11 PM
Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
By: Andre Jennings (transparencyinsport.org).


FIFA president Sepp Blatter claims he fights racism but looks the other way when Jack Warner screams racist insults at a political meeting in Trinidad. Watch the shocking video. (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Racist_Jack_Warner/kick_racism_out_of_football.html)

And we reveal Warner still refuses to pay millions of pounds owing to the 2006 Soca Warriors World Cup team. [More] (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/Thirty_Years_of_TV_Investigations/The_Beautiful_Bung/the_beautiful_bung(page2).html)

FIFA veep Jack Warner howls racism at the moon

FIFA bans racism but its OK with Sepp Blatter when his loyal vote-deliverer Jack Warner shouts racist abuse. Weve captured him on video.
 
Warner knows that hell get away with it. FIFAs spineless Ethics Committee wouldnt dare touch him.
 
And we can reveal that three years after the 2006 World Cup, Jack Warner still refuses to pay Trinidads Soca Warriors their share of the teams earnings.
Warner has pocketed at least 3 million and has no intention of paying them.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Trinidogg on September 02, 2009, 05:21:41 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Big Magician on September 02, 2009, 05:34:26 PM
REVOLUTION
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Trinidogg on September 02, 2009, 05:41:20 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2009, 05:43:12 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?

Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Trinidogg on September 02, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?

Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Nah just didn't book it the first time i taught u was UNC # 1 supporter for a sec dey my bad... but either way we all know Warner is a theive if he eh got none to hide why he just don't answer the fella question bout Trini players money
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 02, 2009, 05:48:19 PM
Wow thats crazy shit  :rotfl: funny how warner blaming PNM for that...

Yes Jennings is an agent of d PNM.
So you think PNM put him up to that?

Like I have 2 repost d definition of sarcasm
Nah just didn't book it the first time i taught u was UNC # 1 suppoter for a sec dey my bad... but either way we all know Warner is a theive if he eh got none to hide why he just don't answer the fella question bout Trini players money

UNC supporter  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Babalawo on September 02, 2009, 06:51:37 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: WestCoast on September 02, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
FIFA FIFA FIFA ::)

after watching all those videos I have to suggest that Warner, does in fact, post on here
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: King Deese on September 02, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
shaka for president of ttff, dwight for vice president/technical director.

viva la revoluccion.........................
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Big Magician on September 03, 2009, 12:27:51 AM
king deese

we have to talk
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: just cool on September 03, 2009, 12:46:55 AM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 04:55:52 AM
No surprise that insecure PNM apologists would see this as some sort of racist attack on a white foreigner
Trust on a bit of journalistic sensationalism to brand this as JW screaming racist insults ... I watched it a few times, and still can't find the racist attack - unless everyone's seeing a Robert Mugabe speech instead.

It's interesting to look at who our leaders form their allegiances with to hold on to power:
Jack Warner chose a white corporate dictator, Sepp Blatter to solidfy his position and alliance.
Patrick Manning chose a black Muslim terrorist, Yasin Abu Bakr to politically intimidate voters and win elections.

These days the most disparaging accusation you can make against someone is calling them a racist. It's pretty much the ultimate response to playing the race card. But then again, you see much more mischievous, intentionally racist and incitful statements being made on this forum - in many cases against Indians in TT. But that's ok, they're probably not coming from a white person, so those statements can never be justified as being racist. Gosh, don't even get started on white people, and all the perceived wrongs they've done to foreign nationals abroad.

... and while it's alarming at the shocking accusations of corruption that JW cannot deny, let alone his conviction and petty fine over WC 06 tickets - there is so much more blatant corruption under the present PNM administration, with their supporters turning a blind eye, and at even more ridiculous levels that UNC and their cohorts couldn't even fathom that makes you wonder if UNC should have thief more than they did.

4 helicopters at $2 Billion to fight crime
1 blimp at God alone knows what the real price was to fight crime

I can't wait until we're the first country to commission a spaceship to fight crime - a hundred billion more.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 05:12:29 AM
No surprise that insecure PNM apologists would see this as some sort of racist attack on a white foreigner
Trust on a bit of journalistic sensationalism to brand this as JW screaming racist insults ... I watched it a few times, and still can't find the racist attack - unless everyone's seeing a Robert Mugabe speech instead.

It's interesting to look at who our leaders form their allegiances with to hold on to power:
Jack Warner chose a white corporate dictator, Sepp Blatter to solidfy his position and alliance.
Patrick Manning chose a black Muslim terrorist, Yasin Abu Bakr to politically intimidate voters and win elections.

These days the most disparaging accusation you can make against someone is calling them a racist. It's pretty much the ultimate response to playing the race card. But then again, you see much more mischievous, intentionally racist and incitful statements being made on this forum - in many cases against Indians in TT. But that's ok, they're probably not coming from a white person, so those statements can never be justified as being racist. Gosh, don't even get started on white people, and all the perceived wrongs they've done to foreign nationals abroad.

... and while it's alarming at the shocking accusations of corruption that JW cannot deny, let alone his conviction and petty fine over WC 06 tickets - there is so much more blatant corruption under the present PNM administration, with their supporters turning a blind eye, and at even more ridiculous levels that UNC and their cohorts couldn't even fathom that makes you wonder if UNC should have thief more than they did.

4 helicopters at $2 Billion to fight crime
1 blimp at God alone knows what the real price was to fight crime

I can't wait until we're the first country to commission a spaceship to fight crime - a hundred billion more.

it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 05:16:11 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 05:40:30 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 05:43:17 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas

no lie :beermug: :beermug:

most profound thing I've heard this morning, right next to "Good Manning to you and have a pan day."  :D
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Socapro on September 03, 2009, 05:44:14 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas

Thank you, we need ah dougla leader!  ;)  :mackdaddy:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 05:52:47 AM
lol at both of u :beermug:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Daft Trini on September 03, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
it is truly amazing to me the level of shit people does talk to justify ah reason for people to chose one "monkey pants" party over d odder d whole parlimentary crew should be shown d ....err symbolic ::) Guillotine, unc wadda be better because supposedly dey woulda tief less, listen u listen to yourself ??? some ah alyuh ****** crazy oui

Now just try to use that SAME LOGIC there to see where I'm coming from, when the said crazy people accuse others, viz Jack Warner, of racism in this case.

boss simple math pnm+unc=ssdd . is time for indians and blacks alike in dis country to pull dey head of dey respective leaders ass, an' realise we not going nowhere good wit dem fellas

Thank you, we need ah dougla leader!  ;)  :mackdaddy:

Ah ready.... whey fish? whey yuh???  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Touches on September 03, 2009, 07:02:31 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 03, 2009, 07:07:29 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

How is only JW who get on like a clown in d documentary everybody Jennings talk to simply walked away or ignore d man. As 4 love of fellow citizen how bout citizen Jack luvin we? He can strt by leavin we football and take he croonies wit him.



Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: WestCoast on September 03, 2009, 07:09:42 AM
wheys Touches
WHEYS

The man is a FIFA VP and that is how he is getting on.............orrite den
AND to treat footballers the way he has.....nah nah nah

pressure for warner
is only moto cyar tyre and WASA pipe does handle more pressure
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Bourbon on September 03, 2009, 07:24:01 AM
If Jennings was on baseless accusations....maybe. De ting is.....most people have at least the perception of Jack being corrupt. Some may try to swing it..justify it....engage in rhetoric to befuddle the fact.....but Jack record eh squeaky clean. Look at Berlusconi.....de media in a storm over him.

Yuh know...dis reminding me of some rhetoric some tstt employees was trying to pull...when digicel entered. Dey saying oh trinis eh have no support for dey own tingtingting. While that might be true...de reason behind people's anticipation of digicel was because they were fed up of de wickedness tstt was doing. If tstt was treating people good.....digicel woulda come...and people woulda be more likely to say..."Digicel...hol allyuh tail...tstt does treat we good..and is we own." Buh nah..dey didnt....and dahs de results.


If Jack wasnt as self serving and vindictive and as bad mind as he was..Jennings mighta get run. Even if it had elements of corruption...people mighta still be likely to turn a blind eye to if the TTFF and de football was going how it supposed to. But when yuh seeing piss poor organisation....and blatant self servingness....people will see things like that as you collecting yuh due deserts. De sad fact is...many facets of local media doh even seem to have a clue. Sasha Mohammed a few weeks ago had an interview with Jennings..and she sounding like she incredulous when he talking bout the blacklist etc. Lasana talk bout de ticket scandal...big noise get kick up....buh dahs jus isolated incidents. So wha yuh expect?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 07:25:33 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

reporters in sweet democratic T&T aren't even allowed to ask probing questions to our hallowed Prime Minister without feeling his wrath or constant threats of censorship. A Newsday reporter (Indian too) lost his job for asking the right question at the wrong time.

.... well imagine if a white foreign reporter ask him questions. Is then he might pull off the mask and we might see Mugabe underneath.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 07:27:34 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 07:31:26 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he

sigh ... you realise that by not calling Jack name in that post, you make a generalisation that just implicate every government and opposition minister?

Karen Nunez-Teshira fit that bill well
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: davidephraim on September 03, 2009, 07:32:51 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

reporters in sweet democratic T&T aren't even allowed to ask probing questions to our hallowed Prime Minister without feeling his wrath or constant threats of censorship. A Newsday reporter (Indian too) lost his job for asking the right question at the wrong time.

.... well imagine if a white foreign reporter ask him questions. Is then he might pull off the mask and we might see Mugabe underneath.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Is almost Cuba we in in terms of being able to "talk about" The Authorities.
As a matter of fact... ah gone!
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: lefty on September 03, 2009, 07:37:40 AM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

protect we own, fuuck he, ah tiefin, lyin, cheatin, rat bastard, I say again fuuck he, an' he's ah fuuckin bully too, leh haul he c**t an' take he pressure, come nah man touches, u self, wrong doin is wrong doin !...........fuuck he

sigh ... you realise that by not calling Jack name in that post, you make a generalisation that just implicate every government and opposition minister?Karen Nunez-Teshira fit that bill well

should I quote my self above............. let me be plain den d entire system rotten
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: elan on September 03, 2009, 07:59:02 AM
I use to watch some of alyuh as intelligent and educated,  but I guess I was the stupid one. Can't believe some of the rationalization that popping up here.

It's not about what others do, it's about what I do.
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: frico on September 03, 2009, 08:37:25 AM
There is a small suspicion that the visit by a Daily Mail reporter was set up by somebody,why would anybody waste time to come to TT to check out the illegal sales of WC tickets.There are several other wrong doings in TT for outside sources to investigate...who calling dem to come an check...nobody.
 Jack said something that many people of colour would say,no problem wid dat,when people suffer certain experiences then allyuh would know why people re-act in certain way.Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite. 8)
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 08:39:49 AM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: weary1969 on September 03, 2009, 08:46:23 AM
There is a small suspicion that the visit by a Daily Mail reporter was set up by somebody,why would anybody waste time to come to TT to check out the illegal sales of WC tickets.There are several other wrong doings in TT for outside sources to investigate...who calling dem to come an check...nobody.
 Jack said something that many people of colour would say,no problem wid dat,when people suffer certain experiences then allyuh would know why people re-act in certain way.Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite. 8)

Yuh basket would hold water if Jennings was targetin JW alone. D man exposin d crooks in FIFA and d MP 4 Chag West is 1st/2nd/3rd on dat list
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: Daft Trini on September 03, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
All yuh realize that Jack does get money from Joe Public, Pro League, TTFF, UNC, Chag and Fifa...?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: frico on September 03, 2009, 09:44:38 AM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Believe what you want  but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: triniairman on September 03, 2009, 10:35:05 AM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
check this one... go F@ck yuh self  :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: elan on September 03, 2009, 10:42:05 AM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Believe what you want  but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???

Once ah Trini move to another country they mind go from 1 track to what? 2 tracks? Railroad sytem?
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 12:45:08 PM
...Now get dis,I aint no bloody UNC,awrite... 8)

too late  :devil:
Believe what you want  but the fact is I expect a response like that from you or many other Trinis with their one track mind.Grow up and try to understand that some people are objective,unlike you and others in TT who believe what you want to believe.Again let me tell you,I aint no f**king UNC. ???

oh ladddddd ... ah get cuss out for being sarcastic.

nuttin wrong wid being UNC, juss like it eh have nuttin wrong with being PNM or COP.
Yuh hadda vote fuh one ah dem - what else yuh go do?  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: acb on September 03, 2009, 12:52:02 PM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
check this one... go F@ck yuh self  :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related

the beep block it out. I couldn't hear anything ... and I watch nuff Southpark not to try to ever fill in the blanks.
If you don't know what I talking about - youtube the Southpark clip about "people who annoy you"
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: supporter on September 03, 2009, 04:14:54 PM
Now I havent looked at the video.

But I have a question to pose to all and sundry.

Here we have a foreigner...attacking a powerful politician, the FIFA VP and the man who controls our football. He plays an important role...like him or not in our country.

Imagine Jennings relaunched his book here in TT a few weeks ago and got press coverage and a cocktail party.

Now what other country in the world would have an outsider attack a citizen of such prominence and do nothing about it.

It seems we celebrate Jennings attacks.

In most other places they would have shut down jennings long time.

The point I am making is that we do not protect our own...no love for our fellow citizens.

Or is it nobody could touch him or stand up to him and is bess we let a balding crimple up man fight the battle on our behalf.
 

If he wasnt a crook he would protect him
Title: Re: Kick Racism out of Football and Racist Jack Warner as well.
Post by: just cool on September 03, 2009, 07:18:01 PM
Mr man leave meh alone! leave me alone please!  :rotfl: :rotfl:    :devil:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klpn0Cyjhqw

that man real pestering jackular and causing him tuh act and talk outatimin. boy jack eh have no class nah, could you imagine ah big accomplished man talking bout spittin on ppl and go ask yuh mudda school boy monkey talk. see what ah tell allyuh, dem ole man eh have no shame! :devil:
check this one... go F@ck yuh self  :rotfl: :rotfl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGTI5jOnpM&feature=related
Yeh ah saw that one as well. that man is ah low life! it was very shameful to see our one of our most prominant figurs carry on like ah canal rat on global TV. did you see this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1vMstWlceA&feature=related
Title: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:15:23 AM
Jack having press conference 12 noon at Crown Plaza. Things that make u go  ???. Once I know all yuh go know.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Jumbie on September 08, 2009, 09:23:25 AM
Nakid to join the team  :angel:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:24:48 AM
Nakid to join the team  :angel:

Latas 2 b replaced? Who knows wit these jokers.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Daft Trini on September 08, 2009, 09:25:56 AM
He has a better rip off budget proposal than PNM  :devil:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Themanfriday on September 08, 2009, 09:30:07 AM
He retiring
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: davidephraim on September 08, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
He retiring
In our dreams. ;D
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Daft Trini on September 08, 2009, 09:38:17 AM
He retiring
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I can see the baby keepin yuh up...  ;D you have a bit of delirium  ;)

Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: davyjenny1 on September 08, 2009, 09:41:17 AM
Jack having press conference 12 noon at Crown Plaza. Things that make u go  ???. Once I know all yuh go know.

This man making the federation look like a real circus time and time again boi... we have so much potential in this great land of ours with the wrong person at the head.

What next to expect!!
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:42:29 AM
He retiring
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I can see the baby keepin yuh up...  ;D you have a bit of delirium  ;)



 :rotfl: good ting
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 08, 2009, 09:44:26 AM
He retiring


  STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!!  :frustrated:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:46:02 AM
He retiring


  STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!!  :frustrated:

Your emotins easy 2 play wit because u eh know is a relay he handin d baton 2 Daryan 2 focus on d caravan 4 change
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: King Deese on September 08, 2009, 09:48:25 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 09:50:37 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 08, 2009, 10:00:19 AM
He retiring


  STOP playing with my emotions!!!!!!  :frustrated:

Your emotins easy 2 play wit because u eh know is a relay he handin d baton 2 Daryan 2 focus on d caravan 4 change


  Doh worry....I know!  :-[
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: pardners on September 08, 2009, 10:02:22 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

Somebody say....Bleeder ?
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Trini _2026 on September 08, 2009, 10:02:39 AM
wha station
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: PATRIOT on September 08, 2009, 10:47:53 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: E-man on September 08, 2009, 10:51:30 AM
Wasn't this announced already. Isn't this about the Women's U-17 WC?
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Observer on September 08, 2009, 11:01:19 AM
Yes I believe its concerning Women football.

Jack retires pulls himself from T&T football every two years in a 4 year cycle, where there is limited money and jumps back in two years before WCQ qualification.

Check the pattern good.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Daft Trini on September 08, 2009, 11:05:29 AM
Yes I believe its concerning Women football.

Jack retires pulls himself from T&T football every two years in a 4 year cycle, where there is limited money and jumps back in two years before WCQ qualification.

Check the pattern good.


That's the beauty of being a Special Advisor... and apparently he is the only one who seems to want to advise us  :beermug:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: capodetutticapi on September 08, 2009, 11:07:40 AM
he had an operation to fix he thight thongue. ;D
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: kiffysmooth on September 08, 2009, 11:27:10 AM
Press conference done!

Evans Wise back on de team
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: vb on September 08, 2009, 11:51:51 AM
Press conference done!

Evans Wise back on de team

put a smiley face on dat nah.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 12:15:24 PM
wha station

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 08, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
Press conference done!

Evans Wise back on de team

Should u not have more important ting doin just about now.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: injunchile on September 08, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
Shaka in Goal- Sancho in the back line- Stern upfront. Nakhid to replace Yorke and Bennie back in the saddle.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: Tallman on September 08, 2009, 08:57:35 PM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence

Yeh, Lawrence get it.
Title: Re: PRESS CONFERENCE
Post by: weary1969 on September 09, 2009, 12:03:31 AM
oliver camps retiring. jakula's son taking over the family heir loom, i mean the ttff.

OK D talk is just 2 hand over d captin armband. D question is who.

I would have given it to Carlos, but a source tells me it will be Dennis Lawrence

Yeh, Lawrence get it.

Wit 3 games 2 play b4 he retire. Gr8 succession planning
Title: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Flex on October 15, 2009, 11:04:03 AM
Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/540jackwarner.jpg)

Lasana Liburd (www.tnttimes.com) looks in on the latest Caribbean nation to run afoul of FIFA in the past six years and searches for a common thread.

It is not easy to create a visual impression of John P. Collins, he's the United States attorney who sits on FIFAs Legal Committee. There is no photograph, birth date or personal information on the FIFA website, the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF), or the Chicago-based law firm Collins and Collins that employs himalong with Harold E. Collins and Michael R. Collins.

For Caribbean nations that dare to go against the established football body in their respective islands, though, Collins might as well be draped in a black hood and tote a sickle.

It took just four visits from Collins before the executive committee of the Grenada Football Associations (GFA) folded on October 1. From the first mention of a FIFA fact finding mission in Grenada, headed by the American, deposed GFA president Ashley Ram Folkes knew he was in trouble.

Collins relationship with FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special advisor Jack Warner and the latters loyalty to embattled GFA general secretary Victor Danielwho was suspended by the since expelled GFA executive committee for financial irregularity last yearis at the heart of the perceived injustice  (http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/article.php?news_id=19152) that has seen Folkes, a former Grenada football captain and coach before his rise to the post of president, booted out of administration.

The stories are similar in Jamaica, Antigua, Barbados, Dominica and St Kitts.

When Jamaican clubs, unhappy with the financial management of JFA president Captain Horace Burrell, prepared to flex their electoral muscles in 2003, FIFA sent Collins to monitor the elections. Burrell and Warner are close friends.

The challenger, Crenston Boxhill, prevailed but his term was punctuated with threats and fines from FIFA and, four years later, he did not seek re-election. Burrell, who remained a CONCACAF member during his exile, returned unopposed.

In explaining why he stepped aside in 2007, Boxhill cited constant harrassment and bemoaned the absence of a level playing field in the election campaign.

I have decided that in the interest of Jamaicas football not to participate as a candidate for the post of president, Boxhill told The Gleaner. The current administration has faced the most consistent effort of undermining (as opposed to) any previous administration and it does occupy my mind that if it is going to continue, how realistic it will be to build on the momentum, if at every step of the way one has to be looking over ones shoulders.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/jackedit.jpg)

Folkes must know the feeling. When his slate challenged for power at the GFA executive, on Saturday April 26, 2008, Collins was ringside. There were no electoral irregularities so Folkes knew something was amiss when, two weeks later, FIFA president Sepp Blatters congratulatory letter included the assertion that a lot needs to be done to develop the game in Grenada , to ensure unity in the local football community after the disputed elections.

Although the incumbent at the elections, Folkes lacked the influence within the executive committee but this was set to change after the vote that weekend assured his slate of numerical superiority.

On Monday, Folkes was questioned about Daniels alleged financial misconduct during the previous term and assured the media that investigations would continue. It was the beginning of his demise.

Paul Roberts, a defeated candidate at the 2008 elections and ally of Daniel, made it clear that Folkes decision to investigate his general secretary was the sole reason for his removal. Roberts, who owns Grenadas Spice Capital radio station, claimed that Folkes reneged on a promise not to prosecute Daniel, which was decisive in his victorious campaign in the first place.

There had been a lot of investigations into Mr Daniel but it was a lot of red herrings, Roberts told the TnT Times. The election was a three-way race and I was eliminated in the first round. I asked him whether, if he won, he would continue investigations into Mr Daniel and he said he would not do it.

But, immediately after he won, he went on radio and said he would bring in the police. Based on that, we said that is not what you came here for; you are here for the development of football.

Roberts insisted that two previous investigations failed to show conclusive evidence that Daniel was guilty of wrongdoing and accused Folkes of conducting a witch hunt.

We couldnt have gone higher with any investigation than the FIU (Financial Intelligence Unit), said Roberts. Their findings showed that, although there was some suspicion, it was as a result of poor management (as) no system was put in place by the existing executive committee.

It wasnt anybodys fault per say.

Although Grenadas national mens team were in top gear on the field, Roberts and the other defeated candidate, Cheney Joseph, joined forces to eventually force Folkes out of office with FIFAs help although it is debatable whether the world governing body ever got the two/thirds majority required by GFA statutes.

On October 1, FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke stated, via a faxed release, that the GFA was facing serious internal turmoil which was hampering its good function and mentioned an administrative turmoil which has a direct impact on its finances.

The FIFA Executive Committee discussed the situation and came to the conclusion, continued Valcke, that the current GFA Executive Committee lacks the support and credibility to improve the situation and must thus be removed.

Despite FIFAs negative assessment of Grenadas football under Folkes, last December the Spice Islanders achieved their highest ever Caribbean Cup placing, secondthey beat Trinidad and Tobago 2-1 to effectively eliminate the Soca Warriors from the regional tournamentand they qualified for the CONCACAF Gold Cup finals for the first time in their history.

Grenada did not get to the semi-final round of the CONCACAFs 2010 World Cup qualifying competition but theirs was no shameful capitulation. The island of just over 90,000 residents led regular World Cup guests, Costa Rica, 2-0 at Saint GeorgesBlackburn Rovers striker Jason Roberts notched one goalbefore the Central American nation fought back to a 2-2 draw and subsequently progressed with a 3-0 triumph in the second leg.

(To put that in perspective, rookie national coach Russell Latapy received a standing ovation for steering Trinidad and Tobago to a 3-2 home defeat against Costa Rica while he also presided over a 4-0 loss in the Warriors return fixture on October 10).

But FIFA did not seem to measure the wellbeing of Grenadian football on the robust health of their national team. Not that Folkes would object to Valckes assertion that internal turmoil () was hampering (the GFAs) good function. But the two men would surely differ with regards to who or what was the responsible party.

Folkes first public confrontation with Warner came at the 2008 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) congress in Guadeloupe, two months before the GFA elections. Warner informed the gathering of regional representatives that Antigua and Barbuda would remain suspended for failing to pay nearly $1 million to former general secretary Chet Greene, despite the fact that Greene failed, according to his successors, to support the majority of his claims with documentation.

Greene, who, like Burrell, remained active thanks to a CONCACAF role from Warner, had been ousted from his football role for, according to an Antiguan committee appointed to investigate his tenure, serious levels of mismanagement, conflict of interest, abuse of power, negligence, financial irregularities and possible criminal activity. (http://www.transparencyinsport.org/downloads/files/antigua.pdf)

Folkes and St Kitts Peter Jenkins were the only voices raised in support of Antigua.

We both stood up for Antigua and gave moving presentations, Folkes told the TnT Times. I questioned the justice meted out to Antigua as they were debarred from the Congress and (then) tried behind their backs.

Unfortunately, within months of our stance, both St. Kitts and Grenada were visited by FIFA investigative delegations for one reason or another. We are both now out of office with the upper echelons being pivotal.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/sepp_and_jack.jpg)

Folkes' relationship with Warner did not improve when the FIFA vice-president requested 1,600 tickets for Grenadas much vaunted June 2008 World Cup fixture against Costa Rica and the GFA promptly sent him a bill that was paid after some persuasion.

In June 2009, Folkes and Jenkins again provoked a furious response from Warner when Jenkins announced his intention to run against Burrell for a seat on the CONCACAF executive committee. Warner, who has repeatedly openly chided United National Congress (UNC) leader Basdeo Panday for his supposed failure to permit democracy within the Opposition party, accused Jenkins of attempting to destabilise Caribbean football.

I have instructed the general secretary of both the CFU and the CONCACAF to remove you forthwith, said Warner, in a letter to the former president of the St Kitts and Nevis Football Federation. I was very critical of the fact that Caribbean football is split over a candidate, which is unprecedented, and this is what we have fought against over the years I do wish to advise you (Jenkins) that () it was decided that the Antigua/Barbuda and Grenada (two members who were absent at the said meeting) should be written to and be asked to submit reasons why disciplinary action should not be taken against them for their attempts to destabilise Caribbean football and Caribbean solidarity within the CFU.

If their explanations are not satisfactory, disciplinary proceedings shall be instituted against both countries.

Roberts, for the record, made it clear that he wanted nothing to do with Folkes entanglement with Warner.

Mr Folkes is on his own personal binge of attacking FIFA, CFU, CONCACAF and Jack Warner, he said. Jack must have done him something, so he is attacking Jack and Mr Daniel, who is supposedly a protg of Jack. We are not interested in attacking Jack and corruption in football and Blatter. We are not a part of that.

He has a bee in his bonnet that we do not know about.

By then, despite Folkes complaints to FIFA, Collins was a regular visitor to their island. In a move reminiscent of UDECoTTs alleged attempt to nullify the local governments enquiry, Collinswho specialised in criminal defense law and unsuccessfully defended disgraced US sprinter Justin Gatlin against doping chargesrepresented Warner when an internal FIFA investigation claimed that the Trinidadian politician benefited from the illegal blackmarket sale of 2006 World Cup tickets. Collins was an employee of FIFA and CONCACAF at the time.

We felt that since Collins was Jack Warners personal lawyer it did not make sense to have him here, said Folkes. Our position is once you replace someone who is aligned to Jack Warner, you are under pressure. If the rain falls the executive is blamed and then FIFA comes in

The whole thing was so biased that I consider it very (sic). Collins met the executive separately from the clubs so I do not know what the clubs said or complained about. I requested a copy (of his report to FIFA) but was refused.

In short, I dont know what my accusers accused me of and I was judged in my absence by evidence I had no opportunity to verify or contest. Collins had got his man again.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/bodyjack_warner.jpg)

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Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 01:58:43 PM
Y I not surprise
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: dreamer on October 15, 2009, 02:00:33 PM
Write Lasana write.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 02:02:48 PM
Write Lasana write.

COSIGNNNNNNNNNNNN esp since he suffer we 4 mths.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: King Deese on October 15, 2009, 02:08:43 PM
Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/540jackwarner.jpg)

Lasana Liburd (www.tnttimes.com) looks in on the latest Caribbean nation to run afoul of FIFA in the past six years and searches for a common thread.

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/jackedit.jpg)

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/sepp_and_jack.jpg)

(http://tnttimes.com/news/images/stories/200910/bodyjack_warner.jpg)

Editor's Note:

The TNT Times (http://www.tnttimes.com) is the next generation in online news.  Its an articulate cultured voice with style and substance; a digital daily with attitude, a newspaper with a mind of its own.  Well give you all sides of the debate and the widest spectrum of opinion that you will find anywhere on the web or in the national press.

TNT Times will ask the right questions, dig deeper and agitate a conversation through its thought provoking news features, diverse mix of blogs, strong reportage and insightful commentary.

Its targeted at an intelligent readership that thinks and hopes outside of the status-quo, seeking to be a part of the revolution. We offer our readers the opportunity to share their thoughts and opinion alongside the issues we champion. 

We dont want to be average: we want to be outstanding and gutsy.  Our website, much like our editorial content, is distinctive, eye catching and unapologetic. 


Those of us who want to think outside of the status-quo, Lisana is talking to us. It's on brother, it's on.

Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 15, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
Ah eh read the story yet but mih initial reaction to the thread title is...

wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!!!!.....
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: E-man on October 15, 2009, 02:40:35 PM
Although he mentioned Dominica he didn't summarize what went on there. Warner muscled his friend Patrick John back into the DFA presidency (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=33815). John was the guy who instigated a political coup in Dominica conspiring with Ku Klux Klan (KKK) leaders Don Black and Wolfgang Droege to overthrow the Dominican government in an invasion called "Operation Red Dog".

Warner also inducted John into the CONCACAF hall of fame.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
Ah eh read the story yet but mih initial reaction to the thread title is...

wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!!!!.....

Yuh did not c FA and thought iz a next coup :rotfl:
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: WestCoast on October 15, 2009, 04:47:43 PM
Austin, Austin, Austin ::) ::)

Thanks, again, Lasana
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 15, 2009, 05:03:24 PM
Jackals that the jackals would despise,
stones that the dry thistle would bite on and spit out,
vipers that the vipers would abominate!
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: gothic on October 15, 2009, 05:17:35 PM
funny, i feel like i knew this story without knowing this story
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2009, 05:22:14 PM
funny, i feel like i knew this story without knowing this story

It is a re run
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Babalawo on October 15, 2009, 05:30:40 PM
send some of the young star TnT to get naturalized too nah.  the next Shalri Joseph and    Jason Roberts
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Bakes on October 15, 2009, 09:04:58 PM
Write Lasana write.

He still suffering for want of a quality editor at times.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Big Magician on October 16, 2009, 01:06:06 AM
we work cut out

keep it tight at the back
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 16, 2009, 06:19:58 PM
we work cut out

keep it tight at the back

Ah now coming to post that....evil doh concede without a fight....
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Sam on October 17, 2009, 08:02:56 AM
Would love to hear Jack Warer side of the story, but we might need a lie detector.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 17, 2009, 11:07:41 AM
Would love to hear Jack Warer side of the story, but we might need a lie detector.

U mean a truth detector because iz only lie he does tell so u need a device 2 pick up d truth if it ever comes out of his mouth.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Sando on October 17, 2009, 11:33:52 AM
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?

Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.

Money is really the root to all evil.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: weary1969 on October 17, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?

Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.

Money is really the root to all evil.

D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: King Deese on October 17, 2009, 07:45:04 PM
Wonder what the English press would make of Lasana's article ?

Why Jack just can't be clean, just for once man, its always some controversy and he gives T&T a bad image.

Money is really the root to all evil.

D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL

Those who abuse their position of power, fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: WestCoast on October 17, 2009, 07:46:51 PM
D LOVE OF MONEY IS D ROOT TO ALL EVIL
ah did have to hilite the hilite of that post
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: fishs on October 18, 2009, 03:00:46 AM
Seems as if there is a large group of regional football people wronged by Jack, corruption and cronyism.
If only we and they can get together and start a full press against this man .
In Trinidad he has spread football money far and wide to gain creditability, he owns people who through no fault of their own have no choice* but to sit quietly and watch this man destroy the football fabric of the Caribbean and Trinidad and Tobago. He uses money that should rightfully go to the Warriors of 2006, football development for the youth of the nation but a lot of people in central south Trinidad hail him because that same money is used to buy their patronage.
Obviously up the islands he has his network of like criminals without whose support he loses his international power base.

How will this history evolve?

* Anybody who decides or through natural progression becomes a football professional. coachs, players, sports administrators seemingly have no choice but to work for him if they want to remain in TT and make a reasonably good living for their families, it's sad like Goverment corruption , buck it and end up in the dog house , ask Rowley.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: dreamer on October 18, 2009, 06:48:35 AM
Seems as if there is a large group of regional football people wronged by Jack, corruption and cronyism.
If only we and they can get together and start a full press against this man .
In Trinidad he has spread football money far and wide to gain creditability, he owns people who through no fault of their own have no choice* but to sit quietly and watch this man destroy the football fabric of the Caribbean and Trinidad and Tobago. He uses money that should rightfully go to the Warriors of 2006, football development for the youth of the nation but a lot of people in central south Trinidad hail him because that same money is used to buy their patronage.
Obviously up the islands he has his network of like criminals without whose support he loses his international power base.

How will this history evolve?

* Anybody who decides or through natural progression becomes a football professional. coachs, players, sports administrators seemingly have no choice but to work for him if they want to remain in TT and make a reasonably good living for their families, it's sad like Goverment corruption , buck it and end up in the dog house , ask Rowley.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: zuluwarrior on October 18, 2009, 09:23:50 AM
sando you saying money is the root of  evil i say man is the root of all evil for example jack.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: King Deese on October 18, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
Alfonse Capone, Pablo Escobar Jr., and Jack Warner all had couple things in common. They were all criminals and they all gave to the public.
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: diamondtrim on October 19, 2009, 07:48:49 PM
Steups.......

Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.

In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.

Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.

Steups....
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 20, 2009, 05:08:34 AM
Steups.......

Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.

In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.

Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.

Steups....

Hi Jack....how are you today??
Title: Re: Liburd: Warner implicated in overthrow of Grenada FA.
Post by: Sando on October 20, 2009, 06:38:12 AM
Steups.......

Liburd, doh worry yuhself....eventually yuh go be a real journalist. jack go dead in 20 years and yuh go hadda find someting else to write bout.

In d meantime, continue pretendin...you and andrew jennings hadda muster up allyuh own website and organisations to write allyuh stupidness.

Next topic for you - "How Jack Warner is Hiding Bin Laden'.

Steups....

Bad news always make's the news. And Jack Warner is bad news.

Lasana, keep writing your stuff. We have Ian Prescott, DeFreistas and Keith Clement to write game reports for us.

We need a balance.

And Flex could handle he self as well with very good indepth stuff.
Title: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2010, 10:49:20 AM
When i first saw the link...i thought was the 2006 version. But...like is a sequel. Not much variation on the plot doh.

REVEALED: FIFA vice Jack Warner's top secret ticket ring
By: Espen Sandli & Torgeir P Krokfjord.


The FIFA vice president helped ticket sharks access tickets for the 2010 World Cup, worth hundreds of thousands on the black market. (http://www.dagbladet.no/a/13100080/)

Quote
Dagbladet can reveal that while FIFA several times has tried black market ticket companies in court, one of the most powerful men in world football, FIFA vice president Jack Warner, is actually in league with black market ticket sharks.

Towards the end of 2009 a black market ticket dealer contacted Warner personally.

He asked Warner if it was possible to get hold of tickets under the table for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Huge profit
He was acting on behalf of one of the world's biggest black market companies.

A deal was set up.

The Caribbean Football Union (CFU) ordered tickets for several WC matches, including the final. A receipt for the order was sent to the agent, who passed it on to the black market company. Dagbladet is in possession of the receipt.

The money was to be paid to a SWIFT account belonging to the CFU.

Warner's profit is said to be at about 60 percent, with the total deal amounting to about 1,5 million Norwegian kroner (NOK) - including the middleman's commission.

Not the first time
The tickets for the final alone were worth around 350 000 NOK.

This is not the first time Jack Warner is mentioned in relation to black market ticket deals. Warner and his family were fined 1 million USD after the 2006 FIFA WC, for allegedly selling a large nummer of tickets on the black market.

Warner kept his position as a vice president, and has so far paid only 1/4 of the fine.

This time around, Warner had changed his strategy. He communicates with a small number of trusted business associates only. Dagbladet knows the identity of three of the associates - all of whom have connections on the Norwegian black market.

However, despite being arranged through one of the few, trusted middlemen, the deal broke down. The black market company never paid.

Furious
And Warner was in trouble. The CFU had ordered tickets from FIFA - and all of a sudden, looked like they could not pay.

Mr Warner would be quite upset as he would look as if he ordered and could not pay, it says in an email from Warner's office.

Several emails were copied to high-ranking officials in FIFA and the official ticket provider, Match Event Services - both unknowing of why the money was never paid.

Eventually, the deal broke down - leaving both Warner and the middle man furious.

- The ticket business is like the drug trade. The higher up in the chain you are, the bigger profit you get, a well-informed source says.

On August 20 this year Dagbladet sent emails with several questions for Mr Warner to his personal email address, as well as to the CFU. The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has seen Dagbladet's questions, but says he's been to busy to reply.
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/131/131078/13107845/jpg/active/320x.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 25, 2010, 11:06:47 AM
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.

lol
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2010, 11:40:58 AM
D fella who could multi task so well cyah respond.

Nah he real busy dese days. Between de flooding....championing the death penalty....and the U-17 World cup.....he REAL busy.  ::)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: E-man on August 25, 2010, 11:45:16 AM
and it's not just the black market rackets. During the U-19 in Nigeria and I'm sure others, FIFA really pressured the local governments to buy up all the unsold tickets and fill the seats when they didn't sell on the open market. The governments feel they have to to avoid embarrassment of an unpopular tournament and FIFA doesn't lose any profit.

Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Dutty on August 25, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
and it's not just the black market rackets. During the U-19 in Nigeria and I'm sure others, FIFA really pressured the local governments to buy up all the unsold tickets and fill the seats when they didn't sell on the open market. The governments feel they have to to avoid embarrassment of an unpopular tournament and FIFA doesn't lose any profit.



Legal extortion
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 25, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 25, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
Live rates at 2010.08.25 21:34:00 UTC      
1.00 NOK   =   0.998200 TTD

1,500,000.00 NOK   =   1,497,564.38

60 % of $ 1,497,564.38 = $ 898,538.63

FIFA = bobol
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
Jack warner said his family would not profit from this under 17  !! well i eh holding meh breath
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: g on August 25, 2010, 04:02:04 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 25, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Really ?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: dreamer on August 25, 2010, 04:39:35 PM
http://www.dagbladet.no/a/13100080/
Front page? With how much dullahs passing to the editors? Loud sssssteupss.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking

well when did this story break ?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Trini _2026 on August 25, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 25, 2010, 05:24:40 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking

I have a brethrin who does write for a daily newspaper.......make a front page dis week self. So i say..aight..he might not know....leh me see wha he go do with it. Send him de link on messenger.....dis de synopsis here:

Me: I go check it out.
Him: Dis real funny. Mr. corruption watch corrupt?
Me: Well......for those who know jack..is no surprise.
Him: This is alleged doh.
Me: Just like UDECOTT...dat didnt stop allyuh from reporting it.
Him: People have documents for UDECOTT doh.
Me: So? De man in dis article have documents too...whas de difference?
Him: Wha bout innocent until proven guilty?
Me: Why dat didnt apply to manning or calder hart?
Him: I go see.


I eh holding my breath doh.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 25, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
How this is not on the front page of the Daily Local papers is shocking
Really ?

ENTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: AirMan on August 25, 2010, 10:09:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/trDILYNqDZE
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: spideybuff on August 26, 2010, 06:16:12 AM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

I read an article recently. It was very insightful. It says that politicians turn to the death penalty in order to incite debate because of the passion it invokes on all sides...thus distracting from the real issue, which is crime.

This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.

Stay focused on the real issues.

Jack is a master though, I must say.
Right now we at the part of the Star Wars trilogy where the Clone Wars coming and the Sith Lord going to make his move to be elected Emperor soon and the people will all believe it is for the best...
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Dutty on August 26, 2010, 07:02:54 AM
.
Right now we at the part of the Star Wars trilogy where the Clone Wars coming and the Sith Lord going to make his move to be elected Emperor soon and the people will all believe it is for the best...

Soo Anil supposed to be young Anikin in training?

I nominate ReggaeFan to be Jar Jar Binks
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 07:15:26 AM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

Let him start by hanging first you, then himself... then all would truly be forgiven.

This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.

Stay focused on the real issues.

Ent?!

Over in the General Discussion forum I cuss and tell people they falling fuh de rope-a-dope while this new government carrying on with the same ole bobol they complain about fuh de past 8 yrs.  Ah man turn and ask me what I vex about.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 09:19:20 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 09:31:35 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.

Fella... the death penalty never went away, which is why Jack clamouring to "bring it back" is just a smokescreen.  There are legal processes that need to be carried out before you execute someone, you can't just do away with these just because Jack Warner say so.  Political posturing might work on the gullible and guiless such as yourself, but the more sophisticated and observant around us can usually recognize bullshit when we hear it.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Rastaman on August 26, 2010, 09:54:53 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.

Fella... the death penalty never went away, which is why Jack clamouring to "bring it back" is just a smokescreen.  There are legal processes that need to be carried out before you execute someone, you can't just do away with these just because Jack Warner say so.  Political posturing might work on the gullible and guiless such as yourself, but the more sophisticated and observant around us can usually recognize bullshit when we hear it.
:applause:
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 10:07:49 AM
What a shame that bullshit became recognizable only after the 24th of May 2010,prior to that date allyuh was very much too sophisticated to recognize B U L L S H I T. :( :'(
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: elan on August 26, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
IF you blokes are happy with the crime situation in TT then you have reason to be happy.I can only suspect that while you and your mates can walk the streets of the main towns and cities in the knowledge that you wont be attacked,quite a large number of citizens cannot do the same.I know of people who would not venture out after dark for fear of being robbed or murdered and then robbed,you cannot deny that because it has happened many,many times.
JW is perfectly right to get a debate started on bringing back hanging which may not stop crimes like murder but it will surely slow it down,if the last government had showed more interest in cutting crime maybe it could have been a little better but they were only interested in posing and posturing at every turn.Imagine the 2 savages who recently murdered the Accountant are scared of dying but is brave enough to go into the man's house to work and then hack him to death,as if that wasn't enough they then take the man's wife and children and ask for money,accuse JW of putting up a smokescreen but 
my view and many all over the world are clamouring for the death penalty to make a comeback.Bake n shark is hoping that I am hanged first and then JW hang himself  after but he seems pleased with the 2 animals who just comitted that most horrible of murders.

Like Bakes said, the death penalty never went anywhere. The punishment for Murder in T&T is Death by Hanging.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Rastaman on August 26, 2010, 10:29:54 AM
What a shame that bullshit became recognizable only after the 24th of May 2010,prior to that date allyuh was very much too sophisticated to recognize B U L L S H I T. :( :'(
I for one did not vote for them !!!! I knew it was BULLSHIT from the start. But your statement might be reasonable for those that did vote for them.  Did you ???
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 26, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
Let Jack bring back hanging and I will forgive him for everything.

I read an article recently. It was very insightful. It says that politicians turn to the death penalty in order to incite debate because of the passion it invokes on all sides...thus distracting from the real issue, which is crime.

This is what Jack is doing. He distracting the populace to focus on whether or not to bring back the death penalty so that way we won't notice the other issues, such as this one. Frico fall for it here. Doh be fooled, people.




And dat tactic wukking SOOOOO good...it even wukking in this topic!
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 11:47:12 AM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Dutty on August 26, 2010, 11:54:09 AM
"These ticket corruption scandals are not the issues you want to be focused on"

(http://wklondon.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c823e53ef013484a71549970c-400wi)
Title: Another honorable mention for Jack Warner
Post by: Andre on August 26, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
entertaining read!

I can accept that CONCACAF is a corrupt and despicable organization, run by a man named Jack Warner who is little more than a thug and a thief, but I cannot accept the deafening silence coming from MLS and Don Garber as the teams they are paid to support and represent are left in the dark

http://www.dynamotheory.com/2010/8/25/1650992/don-garbers-silence-is-sending-the
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: signal on August 26, 2010, 01:23:59 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.


Frico do you know how many persons there are  in trinidad and tobago presently that the gov't can hang?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 01:29:32 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.


Frico do you know how many persons there are  in trinidad and tobago presently that the gov't can hang?

Remind me bout d debate dat it had b4 dey swing dem fellas?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: STEUPS!! on August 26, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.

good thing de topic of dis thread is jack and the ticket saga   ::)
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 01:42:18 PM
Rataman!! I voted for the Liberal Democrats in the last General Elections a few months ago in England.I would like to say or remind you that the TT authorities did not waste much time with the mass hangings of,DOLE CHADEE,JOEY RAMIAH,RAMKELAWAN SINGH,JOEL RAMSING,RUSSELL SANKERALLI,BAGWANDEEN SINGH,CLIVE THOMAS,ROBIN GOPAUL & STEVEN EVERESLY.
Were you not pleased that monsters like them were wiped off the land of Trinidad & Tobago.Some of you feel JW is creating a smokescreen but we cannot carry out hanging until its debated and are aware of the implications of re-starting hanging.There are several international organizations and "do gooders" who are against hangings,if we can live with the re-actions of such bodies then we can go ahead.Jamaica who depends on tourism had to stop hanging because people were willing to boycott Jamaica as a tourist spot,Jamaica would lose millions.What could they do to TT we have to wait and see,it has to be debated.

good thing de topic of dis thread is jack and the ticket saga   ::)

Girl I nearly call an AMBER ALERT
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 02:27:30 PM
weary,I cannot remember what the debate was b4 those animals were hanged,there is no other word to describe Dole Chadee and that gang of savages.I saw the program on telly on BBC quite a few years ago,I just could not believe that there could be a man on this planet that would order such murders,as far as I was concerned ,they should have hung his entire family too.
Since you ask about whether I knew about how many are awaiting the death penalty,I read on the internet that its 50.The thing is they cannot now be hanged because they have spent more than 5 years waiting,they say its inhumane,these are the so called do-gooders.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 02:37:27 PM
weary,I cannot remember what the debate was b4 those animals were hanged,there is no other word to describe Dole Chadee and that gang of savages.I saw the program on telly on BBC quite a few years ago,I just could not believe that there could be a man on this planet that would order such murders,as far as I was concerned ,they should have hung his entire family too.
Since you ask about whether I knew about how many are awaiting the death penalty,I read on the internet that its 50.The thing is they cannot now be hanged because they have spent more than 5 years waiting,they say its inhumane,these are the so called do-gooders.

U cyah remember because there was no debate. Is just d bleeding hearts who go b d mercy committe dem set a human rights committee. D law eh repeal so hanging can resume if they wanted to. Is just ah set of all talk dat we are known for.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: frico on August 26, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
Right weary ah get what yuh saying but I give full credit for the government to give the go ahead,I dont know who was the PM then but full credit to hang them,I am pleased to know now that our people didn't give a toss about those do-gooders.I remember the news in England bout how TT flouted international pressure and went ahead with the executions.I honestly believe if they weren't hanged we may have had another Chadee or 2,you dont want those type around,do you.I can now understand why some of you are saying "smokescreen" but after the Chadee episode TT must show the outside world that its a special case in TT,hence I agree with the debate.One question though,why have we got 50 people waiting on execution for more than 5 years,the UNC have only just taken the reins,even the last government was bowing to international pressure.
Regards.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on August 26, 2010, 02:58:47 PM
...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
Right weary ah get what yuh saying but I give full credit for the government to give the go ahead,I dont know who was the PM then but full credit to hang them,I am pleased to know now that our people didn't give a toss about those do-gooders.I remember the news in England bout how TT flouted international pressure and went ahead with the executions.I honestly believe if they weren't hanged we may have had another Chadee or 2,you dont want those type around,do you.I can now understand why some of you are saying "smokescreen" but after the Chadee episode TT must show the outside world that its a special case in TT,hence I agree with the debate.One question though,why have we got 50 people waiting on execution for more than 5 years,the UNC have only just taken the reins,even the last government was bowing to international pressure.
Regards.

D present govt was in power when d hangin happen. So dey cyah remember what dey do?
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: E-man on August 26, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
A day later the only other pick up I've found of this story is by Bill Archer
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=9812



Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 26, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 05:20:36 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"

I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Jah Gol on August 26, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"

I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
57%
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on August 26, 2010, 06:55:35 PM
Tv6 news is running it as the top story right now. It was a 5 minute piece by Sasha Mohammed and was followed by a poll asking "Is Jack Warner an asset to the PP government ?"

I sure d majority go say YESSSSSSSSSSS
57%

D DEFENCE REST YUH HONOUR TNT CITIZENS ARE CLUELESS
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 27, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
I happened to catch an interview with the 2 Norwegian journalists this morning on Gayelle.  They said that they hope their article would cause FIFA to launch and investigation into Mr. Warner.  Well, we know dais the end of that.

When asked what is the perception of Mr. Warner in their neck of the woods, they acknowledge that he is a very powerful man, but that his name comes up too many times in less than desirable circumstances to be ignored.  They said that they are planning to follow up the initial story, and in fact already wrote such an article outlining emails exchanged with Mr. Warner when the deal broke down. He was apparently very angry in the emails....

Bourbon...whey yuh??....we need the updated article....
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 27, 2010, 09:18:43 AM
I eh seeing much updates. What i get here (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/26/nyheter/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/13075466/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjkjy4SMNQ5vTLa7rwvepstxi7Oxg)is from google translate.

Oh wait. Look at  this  (http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/27/nyheter/utenriks/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/13143962/)
Quote
(Dagbladet): The risk of losing the highly valuable TV-rights for the Caribbean made FIFA vice president Jack Warner fume with anger. This emerges from emails Dagbladet has gained access to, and is confirmed by several well-informed sources.

As Dagbladet has revealed, Jack Warner was involved in the sell-on of World Cup tickets to the black market, also for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Warner is vice president of FIFA, the head of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and Deputy Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago.

Trusted partners
Through a small handful of trusted business contacts, including a Norwegian financier, a Polish ticket shark and a Swedish businessman, he offered tickets from the Caribbean Football Union to operators on the black market.

Today Dagbladet can reveal how far more than a few empty seats were at stake, when a black market deal collapsed earlier this year.

High risk
Dagbladet knows the details of the deal. A Norwegian black market ticket company ordered several hundred World Cup tickets from Warner. CFU then ordered the same amount of tickets from FIFA. who then billed CFU 80 000 USD for these tickets. CFU then sent the bill to the black market company.

Dagbladet has access to the bill and an email where the black market dealers are asked to pay, to a SWIFT account associated with CFU.

Failed deal
However, the payment from the black market ticket company never arrived.

According to emails sent between the CFU and the black market, it is clear that Warner earlier this year was highly concerned about the future of his TV-rights as the deal broke down.

One of Mr. Warner's closest associates writes that the CFU (...) can lose TV rights because of this"

Fuming Warner
The message was sent after the frustration of CFU had built up over time, due to the missing payment. In the e-mail exchange that followed, it emerged that Jack Warner felt embarrassed and upset as the trade seemed to go down the drain.

The reason why Mr. Warner was fuming with anger was he feared unpaid tickets and a new ticket-farce would further deem his status within FIFA.

Among the recipients of the emails where the payment was demanded, are executives both at FIFA TV and Infront Sports & Media the company whose CEO goes by the name of Philippe Blatter, and is Sepp?s nephew.

- Number one source
From 2006-2009 FIFA?s sale of TV rights generated a profit of 2 billion USD, and Sepp Blatter himself is on record saying that the sale of TV rights is FIFA?s number one source of income.

According to respected journalist Andrew Jennings, printed in the ISS report Player and Referee, Jack Warner first aquired the Caribbean TV rights in 1990 after declaring he was eternally grateful and permanently indebted to then FIFA president Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter general secretary at the time.

The asking price for the TV rights was one (1) dollar.

Warner quickly sold the rights. The price is not known.

Easy access
In 1999, however, FIFA snubbed Warner for the TV rights for the 2002 FIFA WC. Mr. Warner immediately sent an e-mail to Sepp Blatter when it was announce that the Swiss company ISL, the predecessor to Philippe Blatter?s InFront, had chosen others to serve the Caribbean football fans their daily dose of WC action.

And, according to Andrew Jennings one e-mail to Sepp Blatter was all it took for Mr. Warner to get the TV rights back.

In December 2001 Warner?s Caribbean Football Union (CFU) paid approx 25 million NOK to the company JD International proprietors: Jack Warner and his son Daryan for the TV rights to the 2002 and 2006 FIFA world cups.

JD could then resell the rights, generating an unknown profit for the Warner family.

- To busy
And in February 2007, after an identical transaction, Warner?s JD sold the TV rights for yet two world cups this time cashing in 20 million USD on the deal:

Now Mr. Warner feared for the future of his TV rights business. Due to Norwegian black market ticket dealers failing to pay their bills.

The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has received Dagbladet?s questions.


Dunno what could happen from here. Especially since people taking a hands off approach it seems.


Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: g on August 27, 2010, 10:16:33 AM
This is the offical first instance of JW bringing the Gov't of Trinidad and Tobago into disrepute. If this thing blows up, there will be a voice to have him removed as a minister of government. Even possibly to resign as chairman of his party.

I sure it have some shadows in the PP gov't itself who wouldnt mind this blowing up.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on August 27, 2010, 10:19:57 AM
This is the offical first instance of JW bringing the Gov't of Trinidad and Tobago into disrepute. If this thing blows up, there will be a voice to have him removed as a minister of government. Even possibly to resign as chairman of his party.

I sure it have some shadows in the PP gov't itself who wouldnt mind this blowing up.

It have some who would doh! You know Jack does have he files on people which does make it easier for dem to chose to do his bidding!
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: truetrini on August 27, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
dat entire scene is a media misprint.  Kamla palancing.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 27, 2010, 10:44:01 AM
I was listening to 91.9fm Iwere George station the radio show host Skippy and Mad Indian said it seems as though this is comming up because Jack Warner is doing so much for the party /country and they believe is an internal assult.
Since we on that topic, any interest made from this under 17women world cup games who would profit Jack Warner Lall or TTFF PLEASE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW .   
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Football supporter on August 27, 2010, 11:38:07 AM
Its frightening how much can be printed about JW and no one really cares. I really don't know the answer to all this. But you have the whole honesty bandwagon that shooed PP into power and yet no one is interested when Jack is mentioned time after time. Then to top it all, Jack shouts for the death penalty for people who do not respect the law, like some kind of Gotham City crime slayer while he openly states that he won't comply with the verdicts of the High Court as well as blatantly ignoring his beloved FIFA order to pay $1 million to charity after his ticketing mishap!!

With regards to the hanging issue, I believe that the previous govt decided not to push for the death penalty because they want to appear to be a 1st world nation, and human rights issues have a huge impact in the reputation of a country. I'm also fairly sure that a death penalty does not result in a reduction in murder or violent crime. It would be more effective to concentrate on detection. Personally, I'm in favour of throwing murderers and paedophiles onto a desert island and leave them there.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: STEUPS!! on August 27, 2010, 05:24:18 PM
JW is threatening to sue Sasha Mohammed and TV 6 for running the story last night. he said he already instructed his lawyers.

Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Deeks on August 27, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
I was listening to 91.9fm Iwere George station the radio show host Skippy and Mad Indian said it seems as though this is comming up because Jack Warner is doing so much for the party /country and they believe is an internal assult.
Since we on that topic, any interest made from this under 17women world cup games who would profit Jack Warner Lall or TTFF PLEASE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW .   

The interest goes to jack and the debt to the TTFF.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 29, 2010, 07:57:06 AM
Here's a follow up to the initial story...

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/27/nyheter/utenriks/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/13143962/ (http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/27/nyheter/utenriks/fifa/jack_warner/svartebors/13143962/)

HIGH STAKES GAMBLING: How FIFA vice risked TV rights on black market flop
TV rights worth 20 million USD were at stake when Jack Warner's black market ticket deal went to pieces earlier this year.
 
(Dagbladet): The risk of losing the highly valuable TV-rights for the Caribbean made FIFA vice president Jack Warner fume with anger. This emerges from emails Dagbladet has gained access to, and is confirmed by several well-informed sources.
As Dagbladet has revealed, Jack Warner was involved in the sell-on of World Cup tickets to the black market, also for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Warner is vice president of FIFA, the head of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) and Deputy Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago.


Trusted partners
Through a small handful of trusted business contacts, including a Norwegian financier, a Polish ticket shark and a Swedish businessman, he offered tickets from the Caribbean Football Union to operators on the black market.

Today Dagbladet can reveal how far more than a few empty seats were at stake, when a black market deal collapsed earlier this year.


High risk
Dagbladet knows the details of the deal. A Norwegian black market ticket company ordered several hundred World Cup tickets from Warner. CFU then ordered the same amount of tickets from FIFA. who then billed CFU 80 000 USD for these tickets. CFU then sent the bill to the black market company.

Dagbladet has access to the bill and an email where the black market dealers are asked to pay, to a SWIFT account associated with CFU.


Failed deal
However, the payment from the black market ticket company never arrived.

According to emails sent between the CFU and the black market, it is clear that Warner earlier this year was highly concerned about the future of his TV-rights as the deal broke down.

One of Mr. Warner's closest associates writes that the CFU (...) can lose TV rights because of this"


Fuming Warner
The message was sent after the frustration of CFU had built up over time, due to the missing payment. In the e-mail exchange that followed, it emerged that Jack Warner felt embarrassed and upset as the trade seemed to go down the drain.

The reason why Mr. Warner was fuming with anger was he feared unpaid tickets and a new ticket-farce would further deem his status within FIFA.

Among the recipients of the emails where the payment was demanded, are executives both at FIFA TV and Infront Sports & Media the company whose CEO goes by the name of Philippe Blatter, and is Sepp?s nephew.


- Number one source
From 2006-2009 FIFA?s sale of TV rights generated a profit of 2 billion USD, and Sepp Blatter himself is on record saying that the sale of TV rights is FIFA?s number one source of income.

According to respected journalist Andrew Jennings, printed in the ISS report Player and Referee, Jack Warner first aquired the Caribbean TV rights in 1990 after declaring he was eternally grateful and permanently indebted to then FIFA president Joao Havelange and Sepp Blatter general secretary at the time.

The asking price for the TV rights was one (1) dollar.

Warner quickly sold the rights. The price is not known.


Easy access
In 1999, however, FIFA snubbed Warner for the TV rights for the 2002 FIFA WC. Mr. Warner immediately sent an e-mail to Sepp Blatter when it was announce that the Swiss company ISL, the predecessor to Philippe Blatter?s InFront, had chosen others to serve the Caribbean football fans their daily dose of WC action.

And, according to Andrew Jennings one e-mail to Sepp Blatter was all it took for Mr. Warner to get the TV rights back.

In December 2001 Warner?s Caribbean Football Union (CFU) paid approx 25 million NOK to the company JD International proprietors: Jack Warner and his son Daryan for the TV rights to the 2002 and 2006 FIFA world cups.

JD could then resell the rights, generating an unknown profit for the Warner family.


- To busy
And in February 2007, after an identical transaction, Warner?s JD sold the TV rights for yet two world cups this time cashing in 20 million USD on the deal:

Now Mr. Warner feared for the future of his TV rights business. Due to Norwegian black market ticket dealers failing to pay their bills.

The CFU confirms that Mr. Warner has received Dagbladet?s questions.

Mr. Warner is said to be too busy to reply.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: E-man on August 30, 2010, 12:56:37 PM
FIFA VP Jack Warner Tells Reporters He Had No Involvement In Black Market Ticket Deal; Offers Them Sweet Deal On World Cup 2014 Tickets
(Beer and Soccer (http://beerandsoccer.com/2010/08/26/fifa-vp-jack-warner-tells-reporters-he-had-no-involvement-in-black-market-ticket-deal-offers-them-sweet-deal-on-world-cup-2014-tix/))


(http://soccerandbeer.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/jack-warner-press-conference.jpg?w=300&h=223)

From the Didnt This Happen Four Years Ago File:  According to a report from Dagbladet, a daily newspaper whose name sounds probably less like an awful urinary tract disease in its native Norway, has uncovered a receipt which shows that Jack Warner sold thousands of tickets to this years World Cup in South Africa to a black market ticket dealer.

Mr. Warner, who serves as the Vice President of FIFA and President of the CONCACAF (the North and Central American soccer federation which borrows its name and operational phil0sophy from a rare Costa Rican feces-eating monkey), has denied any wrongdoing in the matter.

At a press conference today to address these accusations, Mr. Warner told reporters that this was all a big misunderstanding.  I simply ordered a few thousand tickets for myself and members of my extended family everyone knows that Trinidadians like to stretch out into a few hundred seats each when they take in a match, Warner explained, Besides, how did you expect me to pay off the remainder of that million dollar fine FIFA imposed upon me from the last time I sold World Cup tickets on the black market? Exactly.

Mr. Warner then asked reporters if they know anyone who could use some really killer seats to the 2014 World Cup in Brazil?  I can get as many as you need. And Ill totally give you a receipt.  I could really use the money I sense having to pay off another bullshit fine.

In addition to his roles with FIFA and the CONCACAF, Mr. Warner is also the Minister of Works and Transport of Trinidad and Tobago and holds seventeen seats in that countrys parliament (sixteen of which are presently available for purchase on Craigslist: Port of Spain).



Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on August 30, 2010, 05:06:20 PM
........uuuuummm E-man before ah start to  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Beer and Soccer is some kinda site that likes to poke fun/parody people??

Edit:

ah just see this on the site....

"What is beer and soccer?
Beerandsoccer.com is the internet's finest source of fake news regarding MLS and U.S. Soccer! "
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: spideybuff on September 01, 2010, 11:25:07 AM
So now we know the real reason why Jack didn't go the World Cup final. He didn't pay for his tickets !! All this talk about putting the country first was just his usual spin on things...
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on September 01, 2010, 11:28:48 AM
So now we know the real reason why Jack didn't go the World Cup final. He didn't pay for his tickets !! All this talk about putting the country first was just his usual spin on things...

He 4get how 2 storm his silver stammer would have gotten him in.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on September 01, 2010, 01:02:07 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?



Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Brownsugar on September 01, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bourbon on September 01, 2010, 02:35:46 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   

Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.


Buh dahs just me.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on September 01, 2010, 02:54:10 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   

Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.


Buh dahs just me.

Was this story in a Norwegian newspaper? If yes then y he eh sue dem. Is only a set ah gun talk by JW. Same threat after d Australian story . We real connected nobody eh have a link in d court 2 c if papers have been filed?

As 4 d press LOUDESTTTTTTTT OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. 
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?





Dai'z all it takes to get the media off yuh case deez days?  Didn't Manning deny tuh de death that he was involved in de churc fiasco in Heights of Guanapo?  Somehow dat never stop de press from "investigating".

Anyways... lemme stop 'nitpicking'
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: weary1969 on September 01, 2010, 04:21:29 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?

How??  Apparently in a case such as this, only FIFA could take action. So himself, yet again, will be investigating himself.....ah not dismissing yuh concerns eh but how??   

Well....I woulda think that any responsible media house...especially one that get threaten with a lawsuit as to this matter would try and secure copies of said documents and emails and such and use it in their defense. Unless the word of the Honorable Minister of Works and Transport/ FIFA VP/ TTFF Special Adviser et al is good enough and should be taken as the gospel truth.


Buh dahs just me.

OK spoke 2 meh express peeps NO LAWSUIT HAS EVER BEEN FILED BY JW.
Title: Re: Jack and the Ticket Saga: Act 2
Post by: STEUPS!! on September 01, 2010, 05:16:51 PM
Dis morning I listening to radio. A man call in on I95.5 asking why nobody in the media seems to be following this story. Tony informed the man that Jack apparently denied the allegations and said its all part of attempts to defame him.


My question is this:

How are we to know if this story is true or not  unless it is followed up? This involves a man that is in government....a de facto ambassador...allegations like these...can have major ripple effects on our international standing. So we need to get to the bottom of this..because somebody has to be lying. Just because a norwegian news source said its true doesnt mean it is. Just because jack said it was true doesnt mean that it is either. So how are we to know?





Dai'z all it takes to get the media off yuh case deez days?  Didn't Manning deny tuh de death that he was involved in de churc fiasco in Heights of Guanapo?  Somehow dat never stop de press from "investigating".

Anyways... lemme stop 'nitpicking'

 :devil:
Title: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on September 29, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
Jack: Concacaf will be given all it deserves.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Fifa vice president, Austin Jack Warner, promised that the world governing body of football is committed to ensuring that all nations, regardless of size, are granted the tools to transform their football into a world class game.

Warner made the statements at the inauguration ceremony of Phase Two of Jamaicas Goal Project in Kingston on Monday morning.

The perception of small teams or countries in the world of football must be dispelled. On the field of play we are all equal and through our Goal Projects, Fifa continues to exercise its commitment to ensuring equity and equality.

He continued, noting that the Caribbean region is unique in that we face extraordinary and sometimes incomparable challenges, but we cannot be held back by our perceived disadvantages. We must be given the tools to rise above it all and like the proverbial phoenix, we in the Caribbean will continue to rise above our adversities and fly high.

As the president of Concacaf and the CFU I will continue to ensure that we are given all that we deserve. Warner was part of a delegation of football officials including Fifa president Sepp Blatter to visit Jamaica for the launch of the project.

Phase One of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) Technical Centre, constructed with the standard goal bureau grant of US$400,000 (about J$35 million), consists of a first class training field, changing rooms, referees room, equipment room and temporary perimeter fencing.

Phase Two, which is to start as soon as possible, will have an additional floor to the existing administrative block and is expected to house an office for the technical staff, a presentation room, kitchenette and a second playing field.

And as the development continues with the ultimate aim of having a total technical centre, the JFF will apply for Phase Three, which will consist of a perimeter wall and floodlights, while the final phase of the existing plan will see the construction of dormitories capable of housing two teams at once. Warner and his team will now head to Anguilla to launch a similar project.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: andre samuel on September 29, 2010, 04:58:17 AM
lol@Jack Warner thread..............This will get very interesting!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on September 29, 2010, 06:39:28 AM
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here.  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on September 29, 2010, 07:32:50 AM
Some of us will just STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 29, 2010, 08:35:42 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: palos on September 29, 2010, 09:38:50 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!

Is dat refuse as in decline?

Or refuse as in garbage?  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on September 29, 2010, 09:53:55 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!

Is dat refuse as in decline?

Or refuse as in garbage?  :devil:

both!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: palos on September 29, 2010, 10:03:06 AM
je refuse!!!!!!!!

Is dat refuse as in decline?

Or refuse as in garbage?  :devil:

both!!!!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: College on September 29, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Definition of JACK
   
noun
a five pound note.  money
Jack owe the players real jack!


nothing, very little.
You don't know jack!


a sweet, sensitive, adorable guy. Origin: Jack Dawson, the main male character in the movie Titanic.
He's a real Jack.


a cigarette.
Hey, could I get a jack?

a police officer.
The jacks pulled me over for no reason.

shortened form of jack-ass or a jack-off - a general insult.
Anil Roberts is a dumb jack!

verb
to stab.
He got jacked.


to punch.
He got jacked in the face.
LP got jacked by Wim!


to steal.
I bet they jacked that watch.
My car got jacked.
He jacked the players' money!


Add a definition.....


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on September 29, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
Definition of JACK
   
noun
a five pound note.  money


nothing, very little.
You don't know jack!


a sweet, sensitive, adorable guy. Origin: Jack Dawson, the main male character in the movie Titanic.
He's a real Jack.


a cigarette.
Hey, could I get a jack?

a police officer.
The jacks pulled me over for no reason.

shortened form of jack-ass or a jack-off - a general insult.
He's a dumb jack!

verb
to stab.
He got jacked.


to punch.
He got jacked in the face.


to steal.
I bet they jacked that watch.
My car got jacked.


Add a definition.....




Ah think you forget the most important one..JACK of ALL Trades  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: 1-868 on September 29, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
He is just a Jack off  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: redtrinigirl on September 29, 2010, 11:38:44 AM
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here.  :devil:

Yuh forget the millions he spent on the elections campaign dat he HAVE to get back somehow (can you say bobol projects?)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on September 29, 2010, 02:50:13 PM
U might have to put " The Jack Warner FOOTBALL Thread" cause the amount of hats (or jackets in this case) he wears, we might have all kinda discussion on this thread from the lamborghini his son import, to the tunnel he building to make Emerald Plaza "just 5 minutes from the beach", to the plots to get rid of Kamla quietly...all kinda thing will pop up here.  :devil:

I does usually macco dem ting on Trinituner....ah miss da one in trute

what kind? Murcielago?? Reventon??
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 29, 2010, 04:11:30 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best ambassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on September 29, 2010, 04:33:05 PM
JC nice post,those guys will get their money,i hope all the animosity will stop after that,it's hard to function in an environment with so much enemies,the thing is the guy gets things done.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on September 29, 2010, 04:52:19 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Sense!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 29, 2010, 06:08:55 PM
jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Nah.  Yuh cyar teach ah ole dog new tricks.  Time for he to get out and give new dogs ah chance and ah doh mean Daryll Warner.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 29, 2010, 06:39:32 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Utter nonsense.

What kind of "embbassador" is Jack Warner when all around the world he's recognized as conniving and corrupted individual? Can you name one place outside of TnT where Jack is looked upon favorably?

What is his work ethic?  Thieving and bribery?  Financial shakedowns?  Empty legal threats and coercion?  Jack thiefing and giving back what, to merit the kind of distinction you making from the common thieves in TnT?

It would be nice if you could back up some of these claims yuh making... just like ah still waiting over in 'General Discussion' fuh yuh to back up yuh talk that the tunnel idea is such a brilliant idea.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: che on September 29, 2010, 07:32:51 PM
Some of us will just STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Cosign with ribbit's permission of course.  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 29, 2010, 07:45:22 PM
Say weh allyuh want, but despite jack underhandedness and stealin ways, he still one of the best embbassadors that came from this soil.

i eh go lie, i eh nooooo real fan of the man, and he did make ah mess of the football, but yuh have to admire the fella's work ethic and his vision, he also did some positive things and he fights for needs of concacaf, and in that respect i could @ least acknowledge ah positive in the man's favor.

i see ppl complainin bout jack wid every chance they get, but right there in TNT have bigger thieves than jack who ONLY thiefin and not givin back shyte! love him or hate him, jack is still one of the most remarkable fellas tuh come out of this region and he did it on his own and for dat i have tuh tip my hat.

yes the man is ah theif , and yes he's ah dictator, but sometimes he does some niffty things tuh make yuh  wonder "only if this fella was ah straight shooter, he could've been one of the most remarkable sons of the soil".

jack, give the boys and dem dey money and clean up the football nah. and save yuh name from further carnage. yuh still have the potential to become one of the greatest men in our region's history.

Utter nonsense.

What kind of "embbassador" is Jack Warner when all around the world he's recognized as conniving and corrupted individual? Can you name one place outside of TnT where Jack is looked upon favorably?

What is his work ethic?  Thieving and bribery?  Financial shakedowns?  Empty legal threats and coercion?  Jack thiefing and giving back what, to merit the kind of distinction you making from the common thieves in TnT?

It would be nice if you could back up some of these claims yuh making... just like ah still waiting over in 'General Discussion' fuh yuh to back up yuh talk that the tunnel idea is such a brilliant idea.
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.

i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.

jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.

as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Babalawo on September 29, 2010, 11:31:13 PM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 30, 2010, 04:43:22 AM
jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

Nah, nah Just Cool yuh waste ah thought dey.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.

i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.

jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.

as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.

Everybody have a right to an opinion, but that opinion should at least have some kinda basis to it.  Instead of offering that basis when called for yuh yelping like a kicked dog about "abuse" and "ego".  Having ah internet connection is no excuse for posting shit and not expecting to be called out on it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 30, 2010, 05:12:12 AM
Wham, you just like going around showing how brilliant yuh could be or what?? dude , i not in no competition ting wid you nah. the last time i checked, this was ah forum for opinions and exchanging ideas no matter how ridiculous it may seem, not ah debate team.

i happen to think that jack warner is an asset to the govt of T&T, if i'm wrong then fine, it wouldn't be the first, and surely won't we the last either.

jack warner is not no hero nor mentor of mine, i just think he's the lesser of all the evils that we're surrounded with in TNT politics. i say instead of ppl keep harpin of the sh!t warner did, lets acknowledge some of his good ideas, that's all.

as for me answering you about the tunnel, please, i don't have time tuh inflate your ego any further. i have no doubt that it have fellas on here who could teach me ah whole heap, so if i'm wrong and ah fella want tuh enlighten me on matters i have no clue of, then i'm humble enough tuh take note, but i will definitely NOT and i mean NOT! put up wid abuse.

as for my spellin, "embbassador" no need tuh nit pick, i left school 2 decades ago, and just started using the computer ah few yrs ago, plus i never claim to be an english grammar proficient.

Everybody have a right to an opinion, but that opinion should at least have some kinda basis to it.  Instead of offering that basis when called for yuh yelping like a kicked dog about "abuse" and "ego".  Having ah internet connection is no excuse for posting shit and not expecting to be called out on it.
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess.  :thinking:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 05:29:24 AM
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess.  :thinking:

Fella I never tell yuh yuh "wrong"... I just disagree with yuh position and asked you some questions regarding how yuh arrived at that position.  The glowing way in which you described Jack seems to fly in the face of all the objective information we have about him out there.  I was curious as to what you was basing your opinion on.  If yuh think dai's too much abuse then we could just call it george and move on.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on September 30, 2010, 05:04:29 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 05:29:08 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Yes.  He strong-arm he way to the head of the TTFF, he scratch some CFU backs, grease some palms and finagle he way to CONCACAF head.  From there he use he connections with Joao Havelange to move up the FIFA ranks.  FIFA is an organization built and run on nepotism... it is not a meritocracy.  So save that "personal capacity" talk unless yuh mean ah personal capacity for bobol.

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

Okay so he spend some ah de tief money to bring Beenhakker to TnT.  How much footballers head he step on in the process of us getting to Germany?  What did he do specifically to get us there... since yuh seem convinced that he did something.  He pay off Bahrain?  Even if yuh want to argue extra half-ah spot all that did is give us ah second bite ah de apple if we fail to grab one of the 3 sure spots.  Is the players who had to go out and earn the invitation.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Yes he bring them... in exchange fuh what? Ask yuhself that.  Ask yuhself how it benefit him too.  Beckham ent come TnT juss b/c he care about li'l black boys and girls.  If yuh crediting Jack fuh dat yuh might as well credit whoever pushing England as hosts in 2018.  Unscrupulous, yuh say?

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??
 

Lol.

What so hard to believe about that??  He take de football money he get from tiefin and parlay dat into buying ah PP position.  You trying to tell me is because he's dis ace politician that Kamla bring him on as ah pardna?  Is he dirty money they wanted to underwrite the campaign.  You cyah be serious with all dem answers yuh asking.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on September 30, 2010, 06:22:24 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.

Dinho, read Foul!  by Andrew Jennings.  Yeah Jack got everything he has by being a nasty, low down, stinking dutty ole tief!!....if yuh think ah lie, ask the Haitian delegate who couldn't vote at a crucial FIFA vote to keep Sepp Blatter in power.....read the book.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: just cool on September 30, 2010, 06:46:41 PM
Weh ah go tell yuh again pardner, take win! yuh does take this ting way too serious oui. this is ah cyber lime, no need tuh be abusive. if ah man wrong then enlighten him, but instead you love tuh go for the jugular. what can i say.....human nature i guess.  :thinking:

Fella I never tell yuh yuh "wrong"... I just disagree with yuh position and asked you some questions regarding how yuh arrived at that position.  The glowing way in which you described Jack seems to fly in the face of all the objective information we have about him out there.  I was curious as to what you was basing your opinion on.  If yuh think dai's too much abuse then we could just call it george and move on.
Bredder, what i rendered was an opinion, i had nothing substantial to back up my post, just raw ipinion and circumstantial stuff, so i will answer yuh question, i arrive @ that position not by solid evidence, deep research, or even personal experience, just pure speculation and observation which is in no way solid proof.

about the tunnel, i thought it was ah good idea, i'm all for progress in the way of better infrastructure, but of course i don't live in TNT so i'm not familiar wid the logistics and the ins and outs especially in the field of engineering, but it sound like ah good idea to me to have ah 2nd route out of maracas instead of one solitary route and ah bandolo route from "blanchiseuse" to arima. my heart was in the right place even though i may have been in error.         after all, i'm not infallible, neither do i want to be.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on September 30, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
about the tunnel, i thought it was ah good idea, i'm all for progress in the way of better infrastructure, but of course i don't live in TNT so i'm not familiar wid the logistics and the ins and outs especially in the field of engineering, but it sound like ah good idea to me to have ah 2nd route out of maracas instead of one solitary route and ah bandolo route from "blanchiseuse" to arima. my heart was in the right place even though i may have been in error.         after all, i'm not infallible, neither do i want to be.

We could pick this up elsewhere... but I juss doh think is the proper focus fuh dat kinda expenditure (expecially in light of them scrapping the boat and dem because they claim is ah waste ah money).   They could easily invest in improving the two existing routes rather than this fancy hole in de mountain stuff.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 01, 2010, 06:10:31 AM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.
Yup, that's exactly what we telling you. How else u feel a black man from a no name country(football wise) could make it in that cut throat world? By playing by the rules? What world u living in?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on October 01, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
Give Jack he jacket. He had to at least have some type of vision and intelligence to execute this level of corruption and not be convicted.

True!! yuh hadda admire the means but not the end

if only the man could use his mental powers for good and not boball......dey go immortalize him
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dinho on October 01, 2010, 02:39:58 PM
Everybody know de 4ker does line he pocket, but lemme just get this straight...

Allyuh really feel that one man from a tiny village in little Trinidad ascend right up the ranks to become one of the most powerful figures in FIFA, one of the most powerful organizations in the world, not based on any kinda personal capacity but strictly on the basis of being corrupt??

Honestly, allyuh truly believe that the man deserves no credit whatsoever for being chiefly responsible for taking the smallest nation ever to the World Cup finals.

So allyuh want me to believe that this man bring two FIFA World Cup tournaments to this island, bring some of the most internationally renowned figures to our shores and provide never before seen or accessible international exposure to our country..... not on the basis of any kinda work ethic or diplomatic skills, but just based on him being unscrupulous??

Really and truly, what allyuh telling me is that a man with no talent whatsoever was able to run the most professional and well executed political campaign in T&T history, only on the strength of being ah ole tief?!

Dais wha allyuh really trying to tell me??

Lol.
Yup, that's exactly what we telling you. How else u feel a black man from a no name country(football wise) could make it in that cut throat world? By playing by the rules? What world u living in?


Hold on.. So yuh honestly think any of them does play by the rules??

I not naive breds. If Jack know the game enough to win it then more power to him, because at that level EVERYBODY is corrupt fellah. That is politics in the world we live in. And it is even harder for a black man from a no name country to make it because yuh think the European powers that be want to see a black man eat??

It have many more players in this game that much more deserving of the hatred than Jack is.

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trinimassive on October 01, 2010, 03:16:40 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2010, 05:18:01 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add

You make ah wrong turn fella... dis is de "Jack Warner Thread".  De toilet is down de hall and around de corner.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 01, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add

how exactly can we find a way to get along with him? if we kiss his arse will he promise not to tief anymore?

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 01, 2010, 05:35:04 PM
Is only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah man having the position that is ONE OF the highest position in any sport and we cyah find ah way to get along with him and get the most out of his position (blame goes both ways)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could have 4 players in they prime all together at the same time and not make ah World Cup until they hit Mid Life Crisis (Yorke, Stern, Shaka, Latas)

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah bunch ah stadiums that almost never full and the football players that play dey does play like dey in the Secondary School Football League

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find teams coming here to play and feeling AT HOME and almost assured victory

Only in Trinidad and Tobago yuh could find ah player being called ah Magician and ah Goat in the same sentence

Only in Trinidad and Tobago.....is too much to mention 

Allyuh could add

how exactly can we find a way to get along with him? if we kiss his arse will he promise not to tief anymore?




 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 01, 2010, 06:05:55 PM

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?

Define "overstep his boundaries?".... ??? :-\
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on October 01, 2010, 06:16:00 PM
I would have had more admiration for David Beckham if he had slept with the hookers and snubbed Jack Warner, the odious president of the CONCACAF nations and a vice-president of FIFA.

Beckham was waggling his tush in Warner's fiefdom of Trinidad and Tobago this weekend in the hope of securing votes for England's bid for the 2018 World Cup.

Meanwhile, his lawyers began proceedings against the fantasist call girl who claims he spent a night with her, and a friend, in New York.

He has this the wrong way round, surely? In time, the public forgets tawdry and false allegations, but a man's reputation never recovers from cosying up to Warner.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1315410/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Sorry-Manchester-City-big-win-does-make-contenders.html#ixzz119jBlff0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on October 01, 2010, 07:05:17 PM

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
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      Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 01, 2010, 07:42:40 PM
I don't begrudge jack's position in FIFA. He used his wits to get there. Hooray to him. You have to be "crooked" to be with all the crooks in that organization. That goes for the IOC also.

But look at the state of TT football. If this  so called man of vision can change Concacaf and FIFA. Increase or always trying to increase the amount of spots in Concacaf. Yet in his very own country the state of football is pathetic to say least. He has been at the helm of football for over 30 years. Guys look at our "pro teams". Look at Jack team. Most of them teams are woeful especially against regional team. Connection is an exception when they have a good team. Most of you look in disgust when you watch a pro-game. No atmosphere. Empty stadiums, plenty invisible people. People don't support their local team. When the weekend come, I swear everybody living in Europe. Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Boo, Sunderland, RM, Barca, Milan, etc, etc.

This man at the helm of TT footbal over 30 f--king yrs. We need a f--king change. We want action on the field. We have no say on what goes on in the FIFA boardroom. F--k the boardroom and all them crooks in it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 02, 2010, 04:11:45 AM

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
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      Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.


And how come dais all Jack does do threaten??  Why he doh ever haul these reporters into a court??  Steups!!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 02, 2010, 07:01:06 AM

On another note..

How come people hardly ever question Jennings motivation, financing and support for conducting his witch hunt here in this country? Allyuh never stop to think that his mandate coming from much higher up, I mean how much papers allyuh think his articles on Jack all the way here in the Caribbean selling in the UK Daily Mail??

Yuh think we could send a report like Lasana up in England to publicly harangue them crooks in the FA and UEFA with the freedom of the town like how Jennings come down here and blatantly overstep his boundaries?
[/quote

      Only in T&T that could happen because he does get huge support from us Trinis,he making a set of money with his books and papers and laughing at us,when JW threaten him peeps jump on JW back.

To be fair to Jennings, he's been chasing people for 30 years! He first broke a big story involving corruption in the Met Police. His biggest story was the corruption inside the Olympics. His original FIFA target was Blatter, but then he discovered Jack!

He despises corruption and even more so in sport. Once he locates a target he doesn't let go. The only reason he reports on T&T is because thats where Jack is from. Like any freelance journalist, of course he makes money. And if you think he's laughing at Trinis, well maybe he is.....where else in the world (except maybe Africa) would the citizens allow one man to behave like Jack? So you can't blame the messenger. Englands interest is simple. They want 2018 and Jack decides who gets it, so any story relating to Jack will be news over there.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 02, 2010, 07:04:00 AM
I knew this thread would be fireworks.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on October 02, 2010, 07:05:59 AM
This has always been my problem with Jack. With his undoubted talent, why has he not worked to create a better standard of football in T&T? The funds raised from holding world cups here could have been re invested in the country to provide a better infastructure. I'm sure Jack has met many talented people who could have organised TTFF much better. I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.

That was a brilliant and ingenious move... to hear some in here tell it.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 02, 2010, 04:49:37 PM
I'm afraid it appears that given the choice of benefitting his people or benefitting himself, he has chosen the latter.

That was a brilliant and ingenious move... to hear some in here tell it.

Boy not just in here nah.....in the wider T&T public too.  I guess this forum is just a snapshot of our society.....go figure.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on October 02, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
I does wonder about some of us moral values yes. To try and rationalize or logically make right JW action is kind of...........................don't know the word to insert here, but it's messed up.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on October 12, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
False Indication of Fair Administration (F.I.F.A.).
By Sola Aiyepeku (234next.com).


Nigerians are exasperated with the way our football has been governed and are desirous of change. This led many to hope FIFAs ban would remain in place to force us put our house in order. We should begin to learn what really matters to FIFA if we didnt know before - what is FIFA really after? I have selected a few of FIFAs scandals to shed more light on FIFAs ways.

1. Polish football threatened

In 2005 Polish authorities began an investigation into widespread corruption within Polish football. In July 2006, the Polish sports minister criticised the PZPN (Polish Football Association) for failing to take adequate steps to fight corruption, and announced an audit of the organisation. In January 2007, PZPN board member Wit Żelazko was arrested by Wrocław police.

Shortly thereafter, the entire PZPN board was suspended by the sports ministry. This move displeased FIFA which announced that the principle of autonomy of football associations was of utmost importance. The Polish sports ministry, Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczynski, and most fans felt that the battle against corruption was more important, but when FIFA threatened sanctions, the sports ministry backed down and agreed to re-instate the PZPN board. This certainly sounds familiar to us.

2. Millions allotted to Goal Project schemes that never materialised

a) In 2000, FIFA agreed a $471,364 grant towards a training centre for the Antiguan & Barbadian Football Association outside the Antiguan capital of St Johns. For three years the site stayed empty but FIFA did not do anything. In 2003, the Antiguan government tried to intervene and FIFA suspended the membership of the Antiguan & Barbadian FA, whose national team missed out the 2004 Olympic qualifiers as a result.

The suspension was lifted later that year but nothing changed until 2005, when FIFA did do something: they handed over even more money, a $503,098 Goal grant for a second project. This grant was for a pitch, floodlights, security fencing and dressing rooms to the training centre, which had still not been built. FIFA has nothing to say about either project and directs enquiries to its own website, which simply shows an empty field in Antigua.

b) Goal project in Barbados shelved until further notice due to a lack of progress despite a $400,000 grant being agreed five years ago towards a proposed $627,500 training centre. According to the Barbados Goal link, the first stone was laid in July 2003 yet the project has been abandoned.

Warners CONCACAF region has 39 members and 35 are also full FIFA members. Of those 35, all bar one (the US) have received Goal grants.

3. Jack Warner Scandals

a) 2006 World Cup Ticket Scandal: Warner has been accused of corruption on BBCs Panorama for repeatedly taking advantage of his position for financial gain. FIFAs auditors, Ernst & Young, estimated that his family made a profit of at least $1 million from reselling 2006 World Cup tickets that Warner had ordered.

b) Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup bonuses: Before the 2006 FIFA World Cup, Warner, as special advisor to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, brokered a deal between the Federation and the players on Trinidad and Tobagos 2006 World Cup team to share the proceeds from their participation in the World Cup. After the tournament the Federation declared revenue of TT$18.25 million, costs of TT$17.9 million and offered the players a split of TT$5,644.08 per player. The players rejected this figure, disputing the Federations numbers.

The Trinidad and Tobago government later revealed that the Federation received in excess of TT$173 million for their part in the tournament in Germany. The T&TFF proposed that the bonus dispute be heard before the UK Sports Dispute Resolution Panel and the players agreed. Arbitrator Ian Mill QC heard the case and ruled that Warner had the authority of the TTFA to commit it to financial transactions and that the players were entitled to 50 per cent of the FIFA World Cup participation money and the commercial revenues gained from Trinidad and Tobagos qualification, as well as half the net income from World Cup warm-up matches.

4. Jrme Valcke

The 46 year old scored the worst-ever own goal. Ten months ago, the Frenchmans career was in tatters but now hes back running football as the general secretary of FIFA. He lost his job in marketing at FIFA after a judge ruled he had lied over a sponsorship deal. A New York judge had stated that Valcke, then FIFAs marketing director, had lied to two groups - MasterCard and Visa - bidding for the right to sponsor the 2010 and 2014 World Cups. This prompted his employer to part company with Valcke and three of his colleagues. FIFAs negotiations breached its business principles, the governing body said. FIFA cannot possibly accept such conduct among its own employees.

His recent return to FIFA as its top appointed official ranks as an extraordinary shift in fortune. It shows how highly FIFA president Sepp Blatter must rate the former Canal Plus executive that he was rehired even though the affair in effect cost FIFA half the revenues it was expecting from the eight-year sponsorship.

Our world is a very small world, says Valcke of his return to favour.

We worked closely together for three years. Whatever Blatter asked me, and what I committed to deliver when I joined FIFA, I did. So we have a strong relationship, Blatter and myself. And very rewarding too if I must say so.

FIFAs track record in handling corruption allegations indicate a habit of either looking the other way or dishing out no more than a slap on the wrist to offending officials in their organisation. So how can they possibly be expected to encourage any investigation and punishments to FIFA representatives [like our NFF]?

In my opinion, FIFA has never pretended to encourage governments to fights corruption within their federations or associations because it could affect them adversely so their people are protected no matter what. So we shouldnt expect them to change, we have to effect the change ourselves.

I reiterate my previous statement in previous articles that, in matters of government interference or not, FIFA does not have the [moral] right to apply the same rules to most African countries as it does to the more developed ones in the rest of the world.

This never-ending circle of banning and unbanning events will continue so long as FIFA keep ignoring Africas uniqueness rather than accepting the stark reality of it. So long as governments still provide most [and sometimes all] of the funding in football [or sports], they have the right to ask questions and investigate how the money is spent as well as demand a significant role in administration. However, our governments latest interference in a long list of many was totally unacceptable and must be stopped permanently for our football to grow.

If FIFA is sincere, insistent and serious about zero government interference all over Africa, the organisation should be working hand-in-hand with individual governments, football federations or associations to find unique solutions; rather than issue offensive statements, bans and warnings that suggest a picture of complicity in alleged and proven cases of corruption.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on October 15, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
England withdraws 2022 bid because US withdraws from 2018 bid. Kamla tells Jack to support England's bid according to the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9097559.stm
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on October 15, 2010, 11:32:47 PM
England withdraws 2022 bid because US withdraws from 2018 bid. Kamla tells Jack to support England's bid according to the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9097559.stm

Since when Kamla telling JW what 2 do? I glad if d Brits get d WC dat will b a next WC wit or wtout we guys I will attend.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Babalawo on October 16, 2010, 03:30:36 AM
O_o
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: spideybuff on October 20, 2010, 06:41:46 AM
Got this classic in an email...

Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
 
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards.
 
For those of you who may have been living in a cave in Afghanistan since 2009, this is what you missed so far:
 
Hot on the heels of the May 24th General Elections, Deosaran Bisnath and GOPIO (the Global Organization Of People of Indian Origin) decided to prove their exceptional Indian-ness by hosting an 'All Indian All the Time' award show (to the complete embarrassment of upstanding people of East Indian origin everywhere) to celebrate Indian people that they thought deserved a nothing award, a slice of cake and some juice.
 
Not to be outdone,  we (the Organization of Semi Worthwhile and Distracting Events) had cause to celebrate (then) Acting Prime Minister HNIC Austin Jack Warner in July of this year when, in his version of a 'Papa Doc' routine for the willing news cameras, promised a little boy who was kidnapped and who found his own way out of the forest a FIFA watch and a National Award for bravery. This offer understandably caused some furor in a place not known for public outcry, and when he realized his offer had backfired (and instead of looking magnanimous and Prime Ministerial he was in fact looking foolish), did a little 'two step' back pedal and said it wasn't a NATIONAL Award he meant, which made everyone who saw him on the evening news and in the papers say 'huh?'
 
And so the Jack Awards were born.
 
It has been held every month since except August this year, due to the fact that we had no cake and not enough juice to share.
 
We at the Organization of Semi Worthwhile and Distracting Events are proud to present yet another 'Jack Awards' ceremony as there are many who are worthy of receiving the second highest 'nothing award' in the land for their dubious and self glorifying achievements, a glass of juice and a slice of cake.
 
 
And the nominees are:
 
 
1) Therese Baptiste-Cornelis
 
The good Minister of Health has depressed the national mood by staying out of the media glare since her last public flare up. This pretense of being sane and normal is fooling no one, and the decision has dampened our collective spirits by removing the best comic relief we have ever had. It has also forced the news cameras to follow the Minister of a Few People as he appears willing to be her replacement, but is more annoying than funny to watch.
 
The Minister has also promised to build five more hospitals, even though she is quite aware that the three we already have do not work.
 
- For keeping all that good crazy in the dark  - A Jack Award.
 
2) Prime Minister Kamla Persad Bissesar
 
Did you really promise to paint the laptops yellow as a security measure to protect against theft?
 
When we first heard that we at OSWDE (pronounced oz-wood-eee) refused to believe it, and for the most part we still don't. But there are rumors that people everywhere are painting their valuables yellow so as to protect them from would be thieves, and spokespersons at both Penta and Sissons readily admit that production cannot meet the demand.
 
From entire houses to cars and appliances, people are rushing to avail themselves of this new approach to protection, and we say bravo!
 
We have already taken steps to follow your lead, and this entire article is being written on yellow paper with yellow ink.
 
- For providing a novel idea to National Security - A Jack Award.
 
3) Deputy Chairman of the Clico EFPA Policy Holders Group Peter Permel
 
Incensed that the gravy train racket that was the CLICO empire had the audacity to go belly up without repaying its big money investors, wanna be bad boy Permel went all 'Gangsta' as he took on the Government and put their collective ass on notice.
 
Threatening to 'Bust a Move' economically if somebody doesn't repay them their money, Peter Permel has shown that you don't need to be tall to be big (Imbert take note).
 
- For having more balls than Adidas and Nike combined- A Jack Award.
 
4) Dr, Keith Rowley
 
Who?
 
Dr. Keith Rowley.
 
Who is that?
 
The Leader of the Opposition.
 
We have an Opposition?
 
Dr. Keith Rowley has decided to embarrass the Government into action by disappearing right before their very eyes. In a trick worthy of David Copperfield and Harry Houdini combined, the Leader of the Opposition has faded completely away, leaving a void that very few have noticed. His shrinking violet routine has caught the eyes of Hollywood, and rumor has it that he has been offered the lead in the next installment of the "invisible Man.'
 
 - For having nothing to say and being brave enough to say it - A Jack Award
 
5) Attorney General Anand Ramlogan
 
Deciding he didn't want the blame for letting cowboy Ishwar Galbaransingh and his sidekick Steve Ferguson go free, the Honorable Attorney General has signed the extradition papers to send the good gentlemen on their way to visit their Uncle Sam, and yet, to everyone's consternation, they are still here.
 
Costing more money than a first class trip to Mars so far, the legal maneuvering required to keep them out of the clutches of the United States Legal System has ended at the desk of the AG who promptly sent them on their way to, uh, here?
 
- For an excellent re-enactment of the washing of hands scene - A Jack Award
 
6) Patrick Manning
 
Where?
 
What is wrong with you?
 
You scared me!
 
Steups.
 
The twelfth man on the Opposition's Bench has suddenly been put back in play while appearing to actively do nothing himself.
Seeming to be impervious to attack after attack in the Parliament, the media and on the street, his name is being called in all sorts of machinations that are quite frankly scaring the people to death.
 
The specter of Patos as Leader of the Opposition and 'Prime Minister in Waiting' has caused many a skipped beat nationally, and his silence and calmness is unnerving to say the least.
 
- For causing people stress STILL - A Jack Award
 
7) Ish & Steve, Brian & others...
 
For the first time in our long and illustrious history, we are pleased to present the first 'Group Award' for a proverbial tag team of bandits and shysters that took this place by storm and are still shaking things up to this very day.
 
Hitting High, Low, Hang Jack AND game legally, it is now impossible to remember where this case began, who is involved, who represents who, and we at OSWDE would not be surprised if Diana Ross herself were to appear on the witness stand.
 
In what will go down in our history as the most expensive, most challenging and most convoluted legal case ever, the matter has generated enough income and expenditure to qualify as an industry all on its own.
 
- For showing us that not everything needs to make sense - A Jack Award
 
7) HNIC Austin Jack Warner
 
It would be foolish of us to ignore the exploits of this living legend, and while few would have the balls to blame the rain for causing flooding as he does, we must be willing to recognize excellence in tomfoolery everywhere we find it.
 
In his most daring exploit to date, the HNIC has decided that if State Boards get in the way of his arbitray and autocratic decisions, then why not just do away with them altogether?
 
Having tested the Constitution, the Parliament and the People to see if they would in fact withstand a challenge, Jack decided to be both nimble and quick with contracts to who and where he damned well pleased because, well, he was the HNIC.
 
When told that he couldn't do what he was doing by the REAL Prime Minister of the country, Jackie boy did the only other thing he knew how to do, and threw a tantrum of epic proportions alleging plots and counterplots within the Government to shame and discredit his good name.
 
The media personnel present to record the press conference collapsed as one at this last statement and had to be rushed to hospital and treated for what could only be described as chronic hysteria.
 
They are currently in intensive care, and attempts to stop the laughter have not yet been met with success.
 
- For making us laugh out loud, Jack - A Jack Award
 
 
The Jack Awards will one day have its own ceremony complete with press and red carpet, dedicated to those who excel  at 'cocking' up epically on the national stage.
 
We plan to monitor the news, and bring you a Jack Awards function as regularly as the remaining Freedom of Speech allows.
 
The Jack Awards is an equal opportunity offender, and whoever is in Government, Opposition, State Appointees and/or receiving State funds under false pretenses will be nominated.
 
The Government of the people is supposed to work for the people, in the service of the people, and while firing them takes a little time, we can expose them for who and what they really are.
 
If you're a blind Party supporter, a racist, a biased Journalist, a corrupt public Official or a 'doh care' public servant, for reducing the quality of life in our nation, there is a Jack Award for you.
 
If you take yourself too seriously be careful, you can never tell if there's a Jack Award in your future too.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: tempo on October 20, 2010, 07:24:35 AM
Brilliant. :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on October 20, 2010, 07:27:42 AM
Got this classic in an email...

Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
 
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards...........
 .
 

^^^ that is brilliant
funny as hell.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on October 20, 2010, 07:45:34 AM
Read that on FB last night....ah nearly dead.  We creative eh??.....

Ah love it!!  (c) Andre Samuel...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on October 20, 2010, 07:50:51 AM
A story of promise lost... started with a bang, ended with a fizzle.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on October 20, 2010, 07:59:51 AM
Got this classic in an email...

Jack Awards October 2010
Yes folks, it's that time again.
 
Time for that one award show we all look forward to every month, The Jack Awards...........
 .
 

^^^ that is brilliant
funny as hell.

Brilliant SQUARED!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 20, 2010, 08:08:19 AM
we must be willing to recognize excellence in tomfoolery everywhere we find it.
:rotfl:
Title: REVEALED: FIFA vice Jack Warner's top secret ticket ring (dagbladet.no)
Post by: boss on October 27, 2010, 06:37:30 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted  :beermug:
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/25/nyheter/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/fifa/13100080/

EDIT: Link contains a large and potentially disturbing photo
Title: Re: REVEALED: FIFA vice Jack Warner's top secret ticket ring (dagbladet.no)
Post by: JDB on October 27, 2010, 06:51:09 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted  :beermug:
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/08/25/nyheter/jack_warner/svartebors/utenriks/fifa/13100080/

That article have a picture of Jack that is tooo big for pleasant viewing, the link should come with a warning.

When I see his name I thought is was linked to the recent expose where Zen Ruffinen name ExCo members that can be bribed. Anybody know who was named or if it was Jack.

As for this allegation it seems flimsy compared to "Ticket or Leave It" so Jack will breeze through. He might even be innocent. It seems all they have is a copy of an invoice to the CFU. Unless they have some correspondence between the CFU and a middleman the rest they could claim that the rest is just speculation.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: boss on November 02, 2010, 10:54:47 AM
Nothing new here  :beermug:
http://www.footymatters.com/articles/champions-league-articles/footballs-decision-makers-how-uefa-and-fifa-stink-of-corruption-and-greed/
Title: how to watch BBC - FIFA's dirty secrets today
Post by: jai john on November 29, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
How You Can Watch BBC Panorama FIFAs Dirty Secrets Outside The UKby The Gaffer on November 28, 2010 8 comments
 


On Monday, BBC Panorama will air FIFAs Dirty Secrets, a 30 minute expos that investigates corruption allegations against some of the FIFA officials who will vote on Englands World Cup bid. Reporter Andrew Jennings exposes new evidence of bribery, and accuses some executives of taking kickbacks. He also uncovers the secret agreements that could guarantee FIFA a financial bonanza if England hosts the World Cup.

While the most explosive soccer documentary will premiere on BBC 1 television in the United Kingdom on Monday night, you unfortunately wont be able to see it anywhere on U.S. television. BBC America has no plans on showing it. The program will be available on BBCs iPlayer but only for residents in the United Kingdom.

So here are your best options to watch the program either live or on delay:


Sign up for My Private Network to watch the episode on the BBC iPlayer,
Try Expat Shield which is free, but only runs on Windows (read review)
Last but not least, we dont endorse or advocate this, but theres always BitTorrent.
I wish we didnt have to sneak around to find a solution for this. But the outcome of what happens after the episode airs may have dire consequences on the entire World Cup 2018 bid, so its one of those programs that will be a must-see for soccer fans. But the frustrating aspect is that most people outside the United Kingdom may never get an opportunity to watch it.

If you have suggestions of how to watch the episode, please post them in the comments section below. The program is scheduled to premiere on BBC 1 at 3:30pm ET Monday.

Title: Re: how to watch BBC - FIFA's dirty secrets today
Post by: JDB on November 29, 2010, 09:49:38 AM
Thanks for posting Jai.


if any of the British-based forumites could record and distribute it would be much appreciated. I sure is mostly well-worn ground by Jennings as far a Jack is ocncerned but I would like to see who else he after.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: boss on November 29, 2010, 11:24:09 AM
Quote
The fourth Fifa executive named in the Panorama programme is Trinidad and Tobago's Jack Warner, one of the organisation's vice-presidents.

Panorama says it has seen e-mails and an invoice which show Mr Warner was involved in the procurement of $84,000 worth of 2010 World Cup tickets.

The e-mail trail suggests the tickets were destined for the black market but the planned deal - including 38 tickets for the final in Johannesburg - collapsed because the touts were not prepared to pay the asking price.

In 2006, Panorama revealed that Mr Warner had sold tickets on the black market for that year's World Cup tournament in Germany.

Fifa subsequently ordered Mr Warner's family business, Simpaul Travel, to make a $1m donation to charity to "compensate for the profits it had made through resale of 2006 Fifa World Cup tickets".

At a recent press conference, Mr Blatter was asked about the fresh allegations against Mr Warner by a Norwegian journalist who first broke the story of the e-mails.

Mr Blatter replied: "Should it be knowledgeable to us, by official means, or by official channels, then naturally we would have to look at that."

Fifa's media office, when asked by the Norwegian journalist what Mr Blatter meant by "official channels", reportedly replied "we have no idea".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11841783  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 11:48:12 AM
The unpaid Trinidadian World Cup players are a scandal for FifaJack Warner has still not paid Trinidad & Tobago's footballers their agreed bonuses from the 2006 World Cup

That was quite a neat trick of Sir Alex Ferguson, was it not, making it look as if the Everton fans were somehow to blame for his star striker's non-appearance at Goodison when it was actually Wayne Rooney who had done most of the misbehaving? Good effort but this week's award for sheer brass neck goes to someone who moves in much higher footballing circles and manages to make the Manchester United manager's manoeuvring look amateurish.

The Honourable Jack Austin Warner MP, Trinidad & Tobago football executive, Fifa vice-president, Concacaf president and minister of works and transport, has still not paid his country's footballers their agreed bonuses from the World Cup before last. Before the 2006 tournament, as special adviser to the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation, Warner brokered a deal between the federation and the World Cup team to share the proceeds from their qualification and participation in the event. Warner has since tried to distance himself from that agreement, even though courts have pronounced it valid, and the remarkable upshot is that, while the most famous administrator in the central American region continues to act the Fifa bigwig, pontificating about other nations' World Cup bids, a shameful situation in his own backyard has scandalously been allowed to fester for more than four years.

Warner is no stranger to shameful situations, having been fined by Fifa after his family travel business was exposed as having made an estimated 500,000 from selling 2006 World Cup tickets on the black market. Unsurprisingly the Trinidad & Tobago players were suspicious when their federation said they had only just broken even from their World Cup exploits, and they rejected an initial offer of only 500 per player. Most of the squad instead asked for an independent audit of the TTFF books for the World Cup period; Warner condemned them as "greedy". No such audit was forthcoming, though it was later revealed that revenue had been around 17m, 10 times more than the TTFF first suggested.

When the group of 13 unhappy players attempted to resolve the dispute through the courts, it was agreed instead with the TTFF's full compliance to put the matter in the hands of the London-based Sport Resolutions Dispute Panel. That body overwhelmingly ruled in the players' favour in 2008 but the but the money was still not forthcoming. In July this year the high court in Port of Spain admonished the TTFF for time-wasting, ordered them to honour their bonus agreement, pay the players' legal costs and allow an inspection of the World Cup accounts. A comprehensive victory, one might think except that last week the TTFF lodged an appeal. Their grounds for doing so are unclear. They have missed the deadline for lodging an appeal by 33 days. The TTFF appear to be merely playing for time again.

More than four years and another World Cup have passed since the original dispute and the silence from Fifa is deafening. An ethics panel set up in 2006 has already washed its hands of the affair, claiming it cannot deal with retrospective matters. The Port of Spain court will rule on the grounds for appeal this week.


"Fifa's role in the whole business has been farcical," says Shaka Hislop, the World Cup goalkeeper turned ESPN commentator whose father, George, has been helping keep players in the Caribbean abreast of developments. "It has been quite clear from day one that legally the TTFF haven't a leg to stand on but as soon as we tried to do something to get our money Fifa passed a rule saying players could not take their national associations to court.

"I cannot say I was surprised by the latest decision to appeal. For years now it has been one legal trick after another. My father was a lawyer before he retired so I have an inherent respect for the legal process.

"I imagine that one day, perhaps after a very long wait, we will receive what we are due. But I'm one of the players who can afford to wait. I've had a decent career and the money is less important for me than the principle. But among the 13 are players who have never been on big money, players who have not managed to move beyond the islands to play, and it is a wholly different matter for them. They have been a lot more courageous than me with the stance they have taken. We are looking for justice, first and foremost for those players but also to bring some transparency into the way football is run here. Big changes need to be made."

Mike Townley, the lawyer representing the players from London, argues the changes need to go all the way to the top. "It is outrageous that Fifa are not getting involved," he says. "They seem to have the attitude that it is nothing to do with them but they have an ethics committee, Fifa members are supposed to be governed by a code of ethics and not paying your debts or honouring your contracts is generally considered unethical."

As the original Pirates of the Caribbean used to joke, the code is more what you'd call guidelines anyway. The Trinidad & Tobago players might as well walk the plank for all Fifa care. The only body that can make a complaint to Fifa's ethics committee turns out to be a national football federation in any case. That fact alone tells you everything you need to know.

It is hard to fathom quite why Kenny Dalglish is telling his life story again, 14 years after the last time, when his situation has altered little in between and his adventures at Newcastle and Celtic are not recounted anyway, but at least the old boy has not lost his sense of humour.

One rather awkward episode that My Liverpool Home (Hodder & Stoughton, 19.99) does cover is the sequence of events this summer when the club asked Dalglish to help choose their next manager and he put forward his own name, only to be told he was not wanted.

Acutely embarrassing as that must have been for both parties, Dalglish can smile about it now. "I only wanted to help the club," he says. "That's all I've ever wanted to do. But the club obviously thought the best way for me to help was by not becoming manager."

Although he insists he is fine with that decision, it is possible to surmise Dalglish is not completely fulfilled by his present ambassadorial role at Liverpool. He would not want to be anywhere else, yet his duties are ill-defined and apparently consist mainly of offering encouragement to the younger players at Melwood. That was more or less what Bill Shankly ended up doing before he found himself in the way and began to feel less obtrusive around the corner at Everton's training ground.

Dalglish seems to belong to a different generation from the present crop of sexagenarian managers at the top of the English game. He still looks as if he could play a bit and it is almost a shock to realise he will be 60 next birthday. A love affair is how the book describes his relationship with Liverpool. "That's how I see it," he says. "But it might just be one way."

Paul Wilson guardian.co.uk


Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: frico on November 29, 2010, 01:05:50 PM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 01:10:17 PM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago


 :puking:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 29, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Sure Frico, the day ah decide to learn how to tief money ah goh call Jack........all yuh good yes!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: frico on November 29, 2010, 03:25:23 PM
Brownsugar,
Ah not talking bout de teefing coz I cyah prove dat but lehwe focus just on his position,ah sure if you put yuh mind to it you too could become a big man in a World Organization.I always believe half of what I see and nothing of what I hear,meh farda used to always say dat.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on November 29, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 29, 2010, 05:23:26 PM
Brownsugar,
Ah not talking bout de teefing coz I cyah prove dat

YET!!!......stay tuned......

Tell mih something, why the TTFF after 4 years still cyar produced AUDITED accounts for the year 2006??  hhhmmmmmm......where there is smoke there is fire mih boy.....

As for him reaching where he is. I have no problem with hard work and making an honest living.....but if you feel Jack Warner reach where he is because he didn't stab somebody in dey back and yes facking tief, you is....look why de hell I does even bother with you....

I feel you is Camps ya know......Steups!!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on November 29, 2010, 05:45:17 PM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago

Frico,
             yeah right. A role model!!! manipulate and trample your own people. When the players(Pro-Pioneers) trying to set up a own inter Caribbean pro-league, you read the riot act and tell them he will ask FIFA to ban them. Why because he cyah get peace of the action. For a FIFA man with all the power and bravado, why is his country's football total tou-tou. Frico you know how long jack running TT football. Since about 79. You don't think is time for a f-----g change??????????????????? Because of the democractic institutions in this country, they voted out the PM and installed a new one. Can we say the same about the TTFF special advisor, who was elected by democractic means but runs the TTFF like a f------g dictator. A role model who uses the FIFA mafia to cover his misdeeds and squeeze his countymen's balls.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 29, 2010, 05:53:52 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: jai john on November 29, 2010, 06:25:14 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ?  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ?  :devil:

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2010, 09:09:54 PM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich
Published: 29 Nov 2010

Fifa Vice President Jack Warner left Trinidad yesterday for Zurich to attend what is arguably the most highly anticipated Fifa Executive Committee meeting of the decade. On December 2, 22 members of Fifas Executive Committee will vote to determine the host nations of the 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments. Warner, who is the longest serving Vice President of Fifa is considered to be most influential football administrator in the Western Hemisphere. Warner will be in Zurich from the 29th November -3rd December and is scheduled to meet with British Prime Minister David Cameron over lunch. President of the English FA, Prince William has also requested a meeting with the 67-year-old Trinidadian football administrator. Warner is also expected to meet with former US President Bill Clinton as well as with Prime Minister Putin of Russia once again - all of these world leaders will be in Zurich this week to lend support for their various bid teams.

Prime Minister Cameron extended the invitation to the Fifa Vice-President during a telephone conversation two weeks ago. Cameron will be the second British Prime Minister to lobby Warner on the English bids behalf. In November 2009 Warner, who earlier this year was appointed Minister of Works and Transport in Trinidad & Tobagos new Government, also had a private meeting with Gordon Brown. Nelson Mandela also courted Warner, the President of Concacaf, during South Africas successful bid for the 2010 World Cup, travelling to Trinidad in 2004 to meet him. The much sought after Warner is still keeping his cards close to his chest saying I remain undecided as to which nation will get Concacafs vote. Warner described the English Bid as impressive but admitted the competition is stiff for all bidders.

All nations have made impressive presentations. On December 2nd it will come down to who is able to convince the Executive Committee.

I am still undecided as to whom we will support, but the Concacaf family will vote together. I have stated it openly and I will reiterate for the 2022 World Cup, the USA has Concacafs full support. Warner added: The football fraternity has received intense criticism and scrutiny over the last month. Despite the past we must now work together to restore the confidence in the sport and its administrators. The Fifa President was right when he said a few days ago that it was a sad time for football. But nevertheless we must look to the future. The voting process is free, fair and democratic. It is the embodiment of all that is great about our beautiful game. Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be. We understand the importance of the December 2nd vote. The eyes of the world will be watching and I am certain we will all do what is best for the game.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on November 29, 2010, 11:24:52 PM
If yuh did post de pic in de wonder woman costume like ah tell yuh, the slip ups would stop :devil:

Laaawwddd Dutty, I now seeing this....

you too could become a big man in a World Organization.

uuuuuuummmmm why would a man choose a user name like "Brownsugar"??..... ???
..unless he is ah sweet man ?  :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 30, 2010, 05:39:19 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2010, 06:06:31 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Wedding invitation he gone 2 collect he eh trust TTPOST. Dat is all that is all that is all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on November 30, 2010, 06:14:09 AM
London 'Guardian' questions Warner's word.
T&T Express Reports.


FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, British Prime Minister David Cameron's would-be lunch guest, faces the embarrassment of a high court judgment over his broken promises to Trinidad and Tobago's 2006 World Cup squad, the London Guardian reported yesterday.

The report continued:

Cameron has been attempting to woo Warner, who as CONCACAF president controls three votes in the World Cup 2018 bid process, and had invited him for lunch at No10 Downing Street.

Cameron's office said last week that it had been postponed due to "scheduling difficulties" but that the two hoped to have lunch when they meet in Zurich.

That will enable Warner, who has been a vociferous critic of last night's scheduled Panorama programme on FIFA, to concentrate on the ruling from a judge in Port of Spain over how the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation should redress the string of broken promises he made to the 2006 players over their World Cup bonuses which have still not been received.

And as Cameron seeks Warner's pledge, before Thursday's vote in Zurich, to support England 2018, Shaka Hislop, who was the players' lead negotiator in 2006, believes Warner has not kept his word. England might take note.

"Warner made promises," said Hislop. "We were told we would get 50 per cent of all the commercial money. When we were eventually told what that would be it was TT$5,000 [492.86] a man which we knew it could not be. There were contracts made that we signed with Adidas and a number of other companies around Trinidad and Tobago.

"The TTFF was happy to brag about the size of those contracts. We made our feelings known and questioned Jack Warner's accounting skills. The TTFF is about Warner and almost no one else. I felt very let down. It was our proudest moment as a football nation and once the offer was made of TT$5,000 a man we felt desperately let down. It was a slap in the face of everything we had done and how we had made the country feel."

Pitched into England's 2006 World Cup group, the Soca Warriors were making their first appearance at the tournament finals, drawing with Sweden, losing narrowly to England before bowing out against Paraguay.

Warner, who is described as the "special adviser" to the TTFF and is not on its board, denies the matter has anything to do with him.

"I have nothing to say about that, it is nothing to do with me. I never appeared in court, I never gave a speech about it; it was for the federation. I have nothing to do with that. It doesn't bother me even remotely," he said.

A previous high court judgment found the FIFA vice-president was "at all material times the authority of the TTFF" in the negotiations with players over their World Cup bonuses.

The players believe they should have been due closer to 260,000 each and the high court will rule on Friday whether to force the TTFF to prepare audited accounts of the sums it received in relation to the 2006 World Cup.

The players have also pressed for a US$6m (1.87m) interim payment from the TTFF.

"Anyone who has followed Trinidadian football knows that transparency is a huge issue," said Hislop. "No one knows what comes in and what goes out. There are huge cheques from the government and no one knows what comes in and where it goes."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on November 30, 2010, 08:34:15 AM
just cool,
what you have said bout J.Warner is probably exactly what I said about the man about 1 year ago,I was immediately described a UNC supporter by many on this MB.I really dont care what people say but I will continue to give the man credit for the position he has attained in one of the biggest and riches organisation in the world.There is a programme on BBC1 to-nite at 8.30pm,FIFA'S Dirty secret,its all about teefing...its not only JW.
I wonder if people think that JW just strolled into his present position,as a black man from a small country that must have taken a lot of strength and hard work,he should be a role model for every citizen of Trinidad and Tobago


I am sure hard work and strength has gone into making him the most powerful Trinidadian out there, but don't forget the  heavy dose of ruthlessness, heartlessness and narcissism that is part of his DNA. He has uses his power to keep the status quo going so as to maintain his lofty status. He also found an organization where he could further cultivate and enhance all that he stands for. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Dutty on November 30, 2010, 08:49:38 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on November 30, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or even a las lap with Kate!
Title: The Corruption in FIFA - The Jack Warner Story
Post by: Tallman on November 30, 2010, 07:56:16 PM
The Corruption in FIFA - The Jack Warner Story
sportdw.blogspot.com


In the first part of this series, we were introduced to the President of CONCACAF the Trinidadian Jack Warner. Warner was the man who was involved in substituting a mysterious woman the wife of the head of the Jamaican Football Federation into the place of the absent Haitian delegate in the 1996 FIFA Congress.

He is one of Sepp Blatters closest friends and allies in football. A wonderful and loyal friend. He is very competent and I just have to say that Jack is one of the top personalities in the world of football, is how Blatter would describe the controversial Warner.

However, his popularity does not reach quite such heights in his own backyard. In Trinidad, he is described by many as a dictator, who has built his power at the expense of others and who has used his position within FIFA to serve his own financial goals. He has been called a clown and a disgrace by Roy Keane, and is deeply unpopular with the Trinidad and Tobago national team players for reasons we shall see later.

When meeting the Queen at Buckingham Palace, he complained to her that British companies were failing to spend their sponsorship money on football in Trinidad and Tobago. He has supported the corrupt former UNC government in the country, and estimates suggest that through his FIFA connections, he has amassed a fortune of almost 20m.

His first role in football came as the general secretary of the Trinidad Football Association. He immediately entrenched his power by setting up numerous organisations filled with his people, who could exercise voting rights should he come under threat from a competitor. He rapidly spotted a chance for further promotion when he ran for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union, which came with the added prize of a seat on the FIFA Executive Committee.

One of the first instances where Warner came in for criticism over his seemingly insatiable desire to profit from football was back in 1989. Trinidad & Tobago were one result away from their first ever appearance in the World Cup. They needed only a point against the mighty Americans in Port of Spain to reach the global showpiece.

Jack Warner announced that extra tickets would be printed for the game and that alcohol restrictions within the ground would be lifted. The capacity of the stadium was 28,500. The local paper accused Warner of printing over 45,000 tickets.

Due to the crush of people, the ground was opened early. People crowded into the ground, filling every seat and aisle, whilst the bars served a roaring trade. Jack Warner relaxed in the VIP lounge with his pre-match drink, oblivious to the chaos outside.

Thousands of angry fans, who had spent their money on tickets to Trinidads biggest match in living memory, were stuck outside, unable to get into the ground. Opinion turned against Warner, who became the target of the crowds anger. The minibus carrying the Trinidad players was unable to get through the crowd, and in the end, the players had to be carried over the heads of the masses and into the stadium.

In the days following the chaos, Jack Warner had to backtrack on his original report to FIFA where he claimed that he had sold 43k tickets for the match. In a press briefing later, he claimed that they had only sold the 28,500 tickets that the stadium could cope with, and the turnstile figures of 34,834 were clearly wrong.

Soon, the government became involved, appointing an independent commission to look into the events. The words of the head of the commission speak strongly about Warner:
Did Warner believe he was God or merely think he was running the country?

Following the incident, Jack Warner resigned as head of the countrys football association, but had ambitions of a far greater nature. He was in negotiations with Chuck Blazer, commissioner of the American Soccer League, to challenge for the presidency of CONCACAF and become one of the most powerful men in world football.

He eventually won the election with 16 votes compared with 10 against him. Despite the fact that the other candidates had all withdrawn, he was still only able to get just over 60% of the vote.

We now fast forward twelve years to 2001. Jack Warner had managed to manipulate FIFA into awarding the U17 World Cup to Trinidad & Tobago. He named himself chairman of the tournament organising committee, an appointment that was approved by FIFAs six-man finance committee (of which Jack Warner was a senior member) and the executive committee (of which Jack Warner was a vice-president). So, in other words, he appointed and then approved himself to organise a tournament that he had awarded to his home country.

Five new stadia were built by companies linked to associates of Jack Warner. When technical staff from the broadcasting companies visited the new stadia, they discovered that roof beams and cables would obstruct the cameras views of the pitch. When they tried to question Warner and FIFA over this, they were sidelined.

All the food and beverage contracts for the new stadia were awarded to a local restaurant business. Seems legitimate at first glances. However, if we look at the owner of the local business, we find the name Daryan Warner. Jack Warner awarded these lucrative contracts to his son.

The fifteen teams that were travelling in to compete in the tournament needed a travel agency to arrange their flights and accommodation. On the recommendation of Warner, Simpauls Travel service, a family-owned travel agency, was awarded the deal. And which family was it owned by? You guessed it, the Warner family.

That is not all. FIFA were experimenting with introducing kiosks in hotel lobbies to enable fans to access instant reports and breaking news. The contract was with a company called Semtor, and with the help of Blatter, Warner forced through the deal worth around US$2m. The catch? The project manager for Semtor was none other than Daryan Warner, who picked up a check for US$60k as management liaison between all web initiative consultants.

We now head forward in time again to late 2005. Trinidad & Tobago have just qualified for the World Cup for the first time after Dennis Lawrences header beat Bahrain to send them to Germany. The only way that Trinidadians can get tickets for their teams first round matches? Simpaul Travel Services. The company owned by Jack Warner.

For a hefty fee of 2,730.53, fans would get tickets for the three group stage games and shared accommodation. According to a Trinidad journalist, Simpaul Travel were making a profit of over 1,700 on each package sold. Indeed, the Independent newspaper in England suggested that Warner could make a profit of over 10m on his countrys ticket allocation.

A privately appointed committee was responsible for handling the sponsorship and merchandising for the team. Following a request from a London-based business, they requested a fee of US$80k, plus 5% of gross sales of the proposed merchandise. And who could the representative of this mysterious private committee be? Daryll Warner another of Jacks sons. How convenient.

Indeed, FIFA regulations even stated that packaging tickets with other services is not permitted. So, Warners own company was completely ignoring FIFAs own rules, whilst he was accused selling FIFA tickets for his own personal profit.

And what of the players? They had been promised 50% of the commercial profit revenues during their qualifying matches and their World Cup matches in Germany. Warners own accountant drew up the accounts, but had mysteriously lost the copies of the hotel bills amongst others. No problem. They simply estimated the cost (higher of course), and moved on. He also decided that a third of the sponsorship money was really intended for the 2010 World Cup campaign, thus reducing the total pot by over 360k.

Overall, in excess of TT$173m (17.4m) flowed into the coffers of the Trinidad & Tobago accounts from that campaign, with 50% of the revenues going to the players involved. So, how much did each player receive? A whopping 492.86. Shaka Hislop wrote to Warner complaining that you have continually proven yourself heavily biased and opinionated in this matter. Each player should have received in the region of 260k each. Significantly higher than the almost 500 they were actually offered.

A judgement in the courts concerning that case is expected in the coming hours or days, but it begs the question as to what happened to all the money that seems to have disappeared. Unseen costs? Lost in transit? Or possibly lining the pockets of various officials?

So while Jack Warner has controlled Caribbean football and CONCACAF with his almost dictator-like reign, he and his sons and friends have all been doing very nicely out of the money that should have been invested in football in Trinidad and the local fans. Is this really the type of man that we want in a senior position of power in the beautiful game?

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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2010, 08:38:35 PM
Warner to meet Prince William in Zurich

Cue Dinho!!!  :devil:....oh lawd dem English shameless dread, shameless!!....

Ent!!...I feel if he request ah wine from Kate and Elizabeth at de wedding reception dey go oblige


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Or even a las lap with Kate!

 :rotfl:
Title: Warner hands England bid boost
Post by: maxg on November 30, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=847616&sec=global&cc=5901

ESPNsoccernet: Global 

Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Warner hands England bid boost


FIFA powerbroker Jack Warner has handed England's 2018 World Cup bid a significant boost after meeting Prime Minister David Cameron by praising English football's international development work.
Jack Warner (pictured with Sepp Blatter) is said to be key to England's bid. (GettyImages)
 


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Warner had a 20-minute meeting in a suite in Zurich's Baur au Lac hotel at which England 2018's David Dein was also present.

The FIFA vice-president, who is also a senior government minister in his native Trinidad, talked about the changing global political climate as well as England's bid. Warner's vote is pivotal to England's hopes - as president of CONCACAF he should be able to deliver a block of three votes to one bid.

Warner said: ''The British Prime Minister understands the importance and power of football. He reiterated his government's commitment to the World Cup and spoke extensively about England's legacy programme.

''A World Cup isn't a one-off event. It is an investment in a country and its people. It is an event which must be seen as a catalyst for social transformation in any nation. The power of football to unite the world can never and should never be underestimated.

''Prime Minister Cameron articulated and reaffirmed England's support to the developing football nations. Over the last decade England has supported not only CONCACAF but all federations in their development activities and I must commend the Prime Minister and the FA for that.''

Cameron also met FIFA executive committee members Marios Lefkaritis and Mohammed bin Hammam as well as the Emir of Qatar.

After meeting Cameron, Warner spoke to USA president Barack Obama on the phone and guaranteed his support for USA's 2022 bid.

Warner added: ''President Obama understands the importance of sport but more importantly he understands the global appeal of football and all this beautiful game represents.

''President Obama commended CONCACAF on all it has achieved under my leadership and I thanked him for his kind sentiments. He emphasised the fact that the US is ready to host this World Cup and that his government is fully behind the bid team.

''He asked for my support in their quest to host the World Cup in 2022. It is a request which I will acquiesce to. The CONCACAF family remains united behind its own, the US is our member. Like the principles of our game we cannot turn our back on our family. I will say it again for the 2022 World Cup CONCACAF is behind the USA.''



Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 01, 2010, 05:12:19 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 01, 2010, 05:15:47 AM
Warner gives Obama nod for US World Cup
By WALTER ALIBEY (Newsday).


UNITED States (US) President Barack Obama held talks with vice president of FIFA Jack Warner yesterday, after which Warner pledged his support for the US bid to host the 2022 World Cup.

Obamas discussions with Warner, FIFAs longest serving vice president, came via telephone soon after Warner met with British Prime Minister David Cameron in Zurich, Switzerland at the Baur au Lac Hotel, not too far from FIFAs headquarters where voting will take place tomorrow.

Warner, the Works and Transport Minister in the Peoples Partnership Government, holds the power of three crucial CONCACAF votes which would determine the hosts of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.

Talks with Obama came as a major boost for the US, CONCACAF football giants, as Warner had already held audiences with former US president Bill Clinton. He also met with Obama in the US on July 27, 2009. Concerning the US bid, the 67-year-old Warner stated publicly that CONCACAF had already committed itself to support the Americans. The CONCACAF family remains committed behind its own, Warner said.

The US is in a toss-up with Japan, Australia, Qatar and South Korea for the 2022 World Cup while England is facing stiff competition for the right to stage the 2018 tournament by Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Russia.

The US hosted the World Cup back in 1994 when their team was booted out in the round of 16 by the eventual winners Brazil. Should the US be given the chance to host the 2022 World Cup there would be a lot more to gain with their team making regular appearances at the quarter-final rounds of subsequent World Cups and their economy in dire need of a boost.

Warner, who is also a long serving president of CONCACAF and the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), described talks with Obama as enlightening and added the US President not only understood the power of sport but also the global appeal for football. (See Page 46A)

Obama later commended CONCACAF and all it achieved under the leadership of Warner and stated his country is ready to host the 2022 World Cup.

Meanwhile, Warner expressed his pleasure with the England bid in an earlier release but noted the final outcome would depend on which country could convince the FIFA executive committee the most tomorrow.

Warner met with Prince William over the past three days before his talks in Zurich with Cameron yesterday. According to a statement, Warner and Cameron spoke on a number of issues, among which was the changing global political climate, apart from the 2018 World Cup. Afterwards both men exchanged phone numbers.After the meeting, Warner, who is also Special Adviser to the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF), said Cameron reiterated his governments commitment to the World Cup.

He described Englands bid as a legacy programme and said a World Cup was not a one-off event but an investment in a country and its people.

According to Warner, Cameron reaffirmed his countrys support to developing football nations, a job England has done by assisting not only CONCACAF but regional federations in the past through the English Football Association. (FA).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on December 01, 2010, 05:46:51 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
         :rotfl: Is not only the English,why you so hard on them,USA and Russia doing the same thing,you not seeing the big picture it's more than just Football,check the politics involved.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 01, 2010, 05:49:30 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....
         :rotfl: Is not only the English,why you so hard on them,USA and Russia doing the same thing,you not seeing the big picture it's more than just Football,check the politics involved.

Oh gorm man Coop's you self...is ENGLAND!!!  There shouldn't even be a contest.... ::)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: JDB on December 01, 2010, 06:54:06 AM
Yuh know what killing me with the English??  Their facilities alone already make them miles ahead of the competition, yeah dey expensive no arse for me to travel to but dey really shouldn't have to grovel like this....its sickening to watch....

They have to grovel. These bids have little to do with infrastructure and actual readiness.

The English fighting a losing battle. the funny thing is nobody talking about 2022. By rights it should be USA or Australia but Qatar have a deal cut for those supporting Spain in 2018 to support them in 2022.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on December 01, 2010, 07:11:04 AM
What a splendid ambassador for our country.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on December 01, 2010, 07:11:59 AM
Jack Warner have these grown arse men dance like puppets to the beat of his drum and just doing all kinds of things just tuh be considered for the World Cup. Fascinating but so pitiful! I wonder if some of it is payback. I am sure dey hate his black arse more than we do!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on December 01, 2010, 07:16:52 AM
What a splendid ambassador for our country.

When u use frico dictionary and u look up Role Model a picture of Jack does pop up.
Title: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Trini _2026 on December 07, 2010, 01:14:02 PM
Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Jamaica Gleaner
Audley Boyd, Assistant Editor - Sport
FORT-DE-FRANCE, Martinique


The Reggae Boyz have come in for some stinging criticism from regional football boss Austin 'Jack' Warner for their stance against the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) during the just-concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup.

Additionally, he has promised to change current regulations to facilitate the replacement of players in future tournaments, should such a situation arise again.

After beating Antigua and Barbuda 2-0 in their opening match, the Jamaican team issued the JFF an ultimatum to be paid total per diem of US$1,200 plus 80 percent of any cash prize won, or they would have withdrawn.

However, Captain Horace Burrell, president of the cash-strapped JFF, used his own funds to meet their per diem demands.

Speaking to the local media here after Jamaica won the title, Warner, who is the CONCACAF and Caribbean Football Union president, said: "First of all, I congratulate Jamaica on their success."

Afterwards, he lambasted the Jamaica football team, saying, "national pride must take precedence over mercenary feelings."

"I have felt in many ways the pain of Captain Burrell, because what he had to go through to reach this stage, for me it was tough," said Warner.

"To be held to ransom, and in my humble view, to be blackmailed by a team is unacceptable, and I want to say to you that the pain he has felt I feel for him, for the Caribbean, because it is a precedent that will be set in the Caribbean, unless we begin to stop it at this point in time."

Continuing Warner, who is also a FIFA vice-president, said: "In fact, I have told him even the rules shall be amended to facilitate countries bringing in teams at the last minute that face this situation.

"National pride must take precedence over money. National pride must take precedence over mercenary feelings and in that context, therefore, I'm pained. But at the end of the day, Captain stood up as a big man and he has saved the day; and today, Jamaica and the whole Caribbean are happy, not because Guadeloupe have lost, but because in my humble view, a bona fide country has won and therefore football in the Caribbean has been saved, also."

Warner, who made the championship presentation, said: "Guadeloupe put up a very good game. In fact, I would challenge any country in CONCACAF to play against Guadeloupe and believe it is a walkover."

Jamaica earned US$120,000 for retaining the title - their fifth overall - and Warner says it will be disbursed to the JFF within 15 days.

"Normally it (prize money) takes 30 days, but I will pay in 15 days because all he (Burrell) has to get is about US$14,000, and if those guys were so desperate. And by the way, the guys who are desperate are the guys who make the most money in football, not local Jamaicans you know. Before they die, I will pay it in 15 days so as to save their lives," said Warner.

The Trinidad and Tobago Transport Minister also commented on his team's performance, saying they will have to 'restructure.'

Regional championship

With eight titles, the Trinidadians have won the regional championship the most, but they were eliminated in the group round-robin phase.

"We played badly and we paid the price for playing badly," observed Warner. "Trinidad and Tobago now has to sit down and restructure its football. A meeting has been called for December 11 with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and I'll be there. We're going to look at the football and see what are the short-term and long-term plans."

He added: "We can't continue the way we are going, and we can't survive if even we get four places in the World Cup, as I believe we will get. We will not, of course, survive on the present team we have, or the structure or system we have, and therefore we have to sit down ..."
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2010, 02:15:39 PM
LOUDDDDDDDDDDD
STEUPSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: injunchile on December 07, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
December 11th is DDay for Latapy
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Peong on December 07, 2010, 02:39:07 PM
Of course Warner doh like dat, crooks doh like to pay out money.
f**k off Jack Warner, f**k de f**k off.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: 100% Barataria on December 07, 2010, 02:53:59 PM
Why yuh doh hush yuh cyao Warner, people really does geh tie up w/$$ and position yes, all ah we bleed, but lookin at Warner maybe he from anodder planet
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: KND2 on December 07, 2010, 03:51:30 PM
How about a rule that require a federation to post a bond to ensure players salaries can be paid.

how you could have teams in a tournament and the federation not paying the players. They should not be allowed to enter in the first place.

and who does he side with??

The federation.

That is why jamaican people will always be more sucessful than Trini people.

They dont take shit.

If in 2006 leading up to the world cup the players did say give we the addidas money now!

and threaten not to play in the games in the world cup they would have got they money.

and we would not have been in this situation right now.


You have to know who you dealing with.

Jack willing to go hook and crook to ensure the federation rights are protected but he will not lift a finger to help the men who people paying to see.


What else you expect if you have a man who never kick a ball in he life in charge of football.

He vex because the players expect to get paid why he dont go to Digicel and tell then we dont want no sponsorship money because FIFA have enough money to bank roll the games. Just put your name for Free.

We go take the money later when we have a chance.


If I was a jamaican player after they pay the money I still would not play, just to spite them.


Players and players interest should come first!

 
Title: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Socapro on December 07, 2010, 04:01:44 PM
Story from the UK Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/07/jack-warner-2018-world-cup-fifa

Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat

The controversial Fifa executive committee member Jack Warner today broke his silence on the contested 2018 World Cup vote when he said voting for England would have been "the ultimate insult" to Fifa in the wake of British media allegations of corruption.

England 2018 insiders claim Warner, pivotal to their chances of success and wooed by David Beckham and successive prime ministers, promised the three votes under his control to England before voting for Russia. But the Concacaf president said the revelations in the Sunday Times and Panorama were the reason England polled only two of the 22 votes available and were knocked out in the first round.

Three days before the vote, Panorama accused three Fifa executive committee members of bribery and alleged Warner tried to supply ticket touts at the 2010 World Cup. He had previously been admonished by Fifa's ethics committee over ticket deals for the 2006 tournament and has faced a host of other allegations of impropriety.

"Suffice it to say the Fifa exco as a body could not have voted for England having been insulted by their media in the worst possible way at the same time. To do so would have been the ultimate insult [to Fifa]," said Warner.

It is understood the Fifa president Sepp Blatter raised the issue of the "evil" media coverage of Fifa just hours before the vote and England's rivals, including the Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin and influential Spanish ex-co member Angel Mara Villar Llona, played heavily on it.

Some on England's bid team believe the revelatory media exposes, which they tried desperately to disassociate themselves from, were a factor but others believe that the issue became an convenient excuse for Fifa members to switch their votes for other reasons.

Japan's Junji Ogura said the investigations, which led to the suspension of six senior Fifa officials including two executive committee members in the case of the Sunday Times, had an impact.

"What I can say is that the reports definitely had an impact on the England bid. There's no mistake about that," said Ogura, heavily courted by England but believed to have backed Russia.

Ogura said his colleagues were angry at the Sunday Times sting on Nigeria's Amos Adamu and Tahiti's Reynald Temarii. "The African members of the executive committee were furious over the Sunday Times report," Ogura said.

"They even suggested suing the paper at the executive committee meeting. The people being accused were from Africa and Oceania, not Europe or Asia, and some felt racism was behind it."

The head of Australia's failed 2022 bid Frank Lowy said "playing straight" may have cost them the World Cup, adding that Fifa members lied to them about their voting intentions.

"I wanted to give credit to Australia and not to get caught in some kind of shonky business, and I can assure you now that we didn't do anything that was improper in this whole period," said Lowy.

"Did that cost us the bid? Maybe. I don't know, I'm not sure. But we are straight and we wanted to play it straight."

Jerome Valcke, the Fifa secretary general who oversaw the voting process, again defended the secret ballot system.

"If we say yes, yes it does not work, we would recognise something went wrong," said Valcke, speaking in Abu Dhabi ahead of tomorrow's opening match of the Club World Cup. "I'm sorry to say we have organised a voting system which was very transparent.

"If the question is it's not transparent because you don't know who voted for whom, you will never know for whom I voted for between Nicolas Sarkozy and Segolene Royal three years ago when the election took place. I will not tell because that is my freedom to decide for whom I voted without having to say publicly my choice."

Valcke, under pressure as the man who recommended that both World Cups be decided at once for commercial reasons, has already indicated that Fifa will not bow to pressure to overhaul the voting system or expand the electorate.

He said Fifa had until 2018 to decide if it "should or [should] not change" the way host countries are decided. But he said last week's vote was "perfectly organised, perfectly transparent and perfectly under control."
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Socapro on December 07, 2010, 04:40:24 PM
Jack trying to move the spotlight of guilt for England's failed 2018 World Cup hosting bid from himself & onto to Andrew Jennings!  ;)

This video is one of the reasons why he's trying to setup Jennings!
Jack wants Jennings to asked his mother! 8)

http://www.youtube.com/v/0puFaKUg56I
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: vb on December 07, 2010, 04:46:53 PM
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.

The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.

So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.

I might understand if the reports were erroneous.

Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.

VB
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 07, 2010, 04:47:47 PM
So Jack you are saying dont care what wrong you or FIFA do nobody must do or say anything about it what a shame .
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Bakes on December 07, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.

The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.

So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.

I might understand if the reports were erroneous.

Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.

VB

Erroneous or not, awarding the WC isn't about the press, it's about who presents the best bid.  Why would you look past a bid because of what a free (from FA/government control) media decides to do?  Why would you punish the people of England who waiting nearly 60 yrs for the chance to host a WC?


....unless of course is just bullshit rationalizing (and excuse-making) after the fact.



p.s. Flex already post this article in the other thread btw.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: pecan on December 07, 2010, 04:55:44 PM
Media coverage shouldn't be the problem.

The question should be were the reports correct or wrong.

So now Freedom of the Press and bidding for a WC shouldn't go hand in hand in case it bothers FIFA.

I might understand if the reports were erroneous.

Another case of Eng. not licking ass sufficiently.

VB

Erroneous or not, awarding the WC isn't about the press, it's about who presents the best bid.  Why would you look past a bid because of what a free (from FA/government control) media decides to do?  Why would you punish the people of England who waiting nearly 60 yrs for the chance to host a WC?


....unless of course is just bullshit rationalizing (and excuse-making) after the fact.



p.s. Flex already post this article in the other thread btw.

I think you hit the nail on the head here.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: frico on December 07, 2010, 04:57:44 PM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Deeks on December 07, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Unfortunately these set of warriors eh reach the boilin' point. But honestly I don't believe these guys eh get paid. jack put that out in the media to confuse people. If that non payment  is true then them is some real mama-poule.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Blue on December 07, 2010, 05:57:18 PM
Jack relly gone and f**ked things up wid dis statement.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: fatimarima on December 07, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
Congrats to JA on their victory and I applaud the players for taking a stand.  All football federations need to pay the players up front and stop playin dee ass.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: Socapro on December 07, 2010, 06:52:19 PM
Jack relly gone and f**ked things up wid dis statement.

So yuh doh reckon its an honest statement?

Lets credit the man for once if he's being honest nah!  ;)
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Cocorite on December 07, 2010, 07:00:20 PM
And this is one of the richest men in the area talking eh. . .
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: royal on December 07, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
is only Warner is allowed to ask for money........no one else.Everyone else is a mercenary.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: grskywalker on December 07, 2010, 08:36:42 PM
I am shamed by Jack OMG "ASK YOUR MOTHER" (tnt translation: ask yuh mudder #$#%@) :rotfl:

Jack boy yuh take the cake oui
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: davidephraim on December 07, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 07, 2010, 09:25:14 PM
Ah wonder what other countries think about Trinbago having Jack as a Minister in the government knowing the kind of man he is and not like the people dont know they still elect him anyhow .
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2010, 09:27:54 PM
Ah wonder what other countries think about Trinbago having Jack as a Minister in the government knowing the kind of man he is and not like the people dont know they still elect him anyhow .

Dat we iz a 2x4 BANANA REPUBLIC
Title: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: coachman on December 07, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2010, 09:40:29 PM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.

 :rotfl: 4 D JOKES SECTION
Title: Re: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: Bourbon on December 07, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.



Well we not too certain to be honest. Really and truly..when Jack not around..nothing does get done. Ollie camps was holding a piss since Jack went to zurich cuz he wasnt sure if he coulda go and use the toilet.
Title: Re: Warner slams Boyz for pay protest
Post by: Babalawo on December 08, 2010, 12:28:47 AM
i posted this earlier.  Who deleted my thread??
Title: Re: Jack Warner is only a special advisor to the TTFF?Is he?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 08, 2010, 04:34:24 AM
What is the repercussion of the TTFF not following the advice of Jack Warner? If all he gives is just his opinions.



Well we not too certain to be honest. Really and truly..when Jack not around..nothing does get done. Ollie camps was holding a piss since Jack went to zurich cuz he wasnt sure if he coulda go and use the toilet.

 :heehee: :heehee:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Observer on December 08, 2010, 08:07:50 AM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW
Title: Re: Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
Post by: JDB on December 08, 2010, 08:21:33 AM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.

Allyuh eating the horse shit that Jack feeding yuh. The bids were that far apart in what they offered that this could never be the difference between the bids. If FIFA say that "new frontier" was the driving force thwn England could never compete with Russia no matter what the press does. If the press was a big problem what the US and Aussie press do to lose to Qatar?

The irony of Jack calling out the Press is that people have been noting that Russia and Qatar have some of the most oppressed Press Associations in the World. With these two bids being the ones that will have the most money being spent andthe ones that bend over backwards to please FIFA the lack of press freedom suits FIFa just fine. So maybe Jack right when he say the press lost them the bid.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 08, 2010, 09:40:49 AM
Why did the English feel that after all that media coverage about FIFA which was really stupid at such a time that they would get the votes.I so badly wanted it to be in England,I have missed that experience because of the stupidity of the British Media.All those who didn't see this coming mussy blind and chupid,meh mudder always tell "if yuh doh have anything nice to say bout somebody keep yuh dam mout shut",ah tink she right.
precisely.. now frico ah know all de freedom of de press people go be jumpin on yuh back for dis but the reality is yuh doh cuss de chinee-man before he cook yuh food. (old brooklyn saying) They should have muzzled Jennings for 1 day. Many a story about the queen been muzzled.Let MI5 kidnap jennings for a day or something but then again maybe England thought that since they deserve it it was a sure thing. FiFa, the Pope and Phillip Morris have de world on lock. Trip if you wish but ah so it go.

I'm starting to realise that there are people here who just don't understand a free press. If the English FA tried to muzzle the panorama programme, they would have to get a court injunction, and there is no law that says a World Cup bid must be protected. I suspect high level requests were made, but the BBC made their decision. Personally, myself and millions of English people would have preferred the programme didn't go out that week. However, programme makers want high viewing figures, which is what they got. Unlike Russia or Qatar, England enjoys a free press, a right that many people died for, and are still dying or are imprisoned for. You can't pick and choose when it suits you to have this freedom. Personally, given the choice, I would choose a free press over a World Cup anyday. And it will be a free press that brings down Warner one day. The press in T&T is growing stronger and braver. They will ask harder questions in the future. Liburd sets the standard and others are trying to follow.
This media excuse is rubbish. But it exposes FIFAs fear of transparency. Apparently, FIFA stands for "Fee for this, fee for that" 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on December 08, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat

http://www.youtube.com/v/1DtcG_jwt5Y
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 08, 2010, 11:36:59 AM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW

He didn't choke on the words??!!  Damn.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on December 08, 2010, 09:55:51 PM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW

He didn't choke on the words??!!  Damn.....

JACK PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 08, 2010, 10:07:45 PM
"National pride must take precedence over money."  :rotfl:
How jokey is this statement coming from JW

He didn't choke on the words??!!  Damn.....

JACK PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Well yes I never!! Jack rell Palancing yes!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 09, 2010, 04:36:32 AM
So, to sum up, he never voted for England because English journalists insulted him. Oh, and by the way, Russia won because its FIFAs policy to take football to new markets.

So, which is the reason, then Jack? Because if its the 2nd one, why mention the 1st? And if its the 2nd one, why didn't FIFA state that 2 years ago when the bids were launched? That way, England, Spain and USA could have saved their millions as they would never have a chance. And Holland/Belgium probably didn't need to bid either. Countries like Croatia, Serbia, Turkey, Greece could have bid in the knowledge that their infastructure wouldn't be compared to England, Spain etc.

So does this also mean that Western European nations will never hold a world cup? Nor Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico, U.S.A.?  Could be seeing a Canadian world cup in 2026!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 09, 2010, 06:57:22 AM
Not sure who the English now hate more between these two men!!

Fifa vice-president Jack Warner blames British media for 2018 defeat
http://www.youtube.com/v/1DtcG_jwt5Y
[/quote]

President Mugabe shows scorn for ex-British PM Gordon Brown
http://www.youtube.com/v/pWbcBSKQNl0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 09, 2010, 08:34:14 PM
This video gives a nice summary of Jack's career!

http://www.youtube.com/v/s5TY2matx8A
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 09, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
This video was made over 2 years ago regards the possiblity of us qualifying for SA 2010!

http://www.youtube.com/v/YX8rX07fNEU

Unfortunately we did not qualify and our football now looks in an even worse state than it was back then!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 09, 2010, 09:18:50 PM
People like Jack would kill  people and would not see notting wrong in what they did , colddd bloodded . 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on December 10, 2010, 03:13:07 AM
That last video was very good. Its amazing to hear Jack saying with surprise that people want to see TTFF accounts. Yes, Jack, we do want to see how much you've spent. Because if that money was poorly managed, the officers should be fired. If the money was illegally spent, the officers should be imprisoned. And, Jack, if you had any part in misappropriating funds, you should be sacked as minister, sacked as FIFA VP, sacked as President of CONCACAF and CFU, resign as an MP, and face legal charges.

Yes, T&T is a land of contrasts, like most other countries. If you're honest and successful the people will love you. But if you steal from the people and weaken the things they love (such as football), you will be hated and never forgiven.

I sometimes believe that Jack doesn't realise or like the fact that T&T is a developing country. He wants 1st world status but acts in a 3rd world manner and expects the law and media to move the same way.

Your days are numbered Jack. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 22, 2010, 05:18:01 AM
Warner unopposed for CFU top post
T&T Guardian Reports.
Published: Wed, 2010-12-22 20:45

 
Warner has been President since 1982. Fifa vice-president, Jack Austin Warner has been nominated unopposed for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). This means that Warner, Minister of Works and Transport, will be elected for the eighth consecutive term as president of the regions governing body of football. All remaining incumbent members of the executive committee have also been nominated unchallenged in their current capacities.

Nominations for posts within the Executive Committee of the CFU closed at 4 pm on Monday. In a demonstration of the ongoing stability and unity within the CFU that has characterised his presidency, Warner received multiple nominations from the CFUs diverse membership of 30 nations.  Warner, who has served as the president of the CFU since its inception in 1982, has described the development as both humbling and invigorating.

In accepting the nomination, Warner said, I am humbled today by the trust bestowed upon me by my Caribbean brothers and sisters; this trust that you, my family, has placed upon me has invigorated my spirit and my soul to continue to serve you to the best of my ability.  For over 40 years of my life I have served this sport but I cannot and I will never personalise the sequence of events.  I now bear with the other members of this Executive Committee the task of implementing the mandate set by you, the members of this great and promising Union.

Continuing, Warner stated that we are a young institution and our environment is dynamic, but our dreams and our visions have remained the same.  Our Union has risen above numerous challenges, we have braved the storms, we have sailed on sometimes uncertain seas but our commitment to a vision of improving Caribbean Football remains our compass. It is this commitment that is our beacon which shines through the mists of ambiguity and allows us to guide our ship to a brighter and better tomorrow.  While we are still confronted by numerous challenges, our capacity and our love for the sport have remained undaunted. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better future; to carry forward the principles of our sport: That all are equal, all are free, and together this team, which is not only the members of this Committee, but this team made up of every member of every Federation will work hand in hand for a better tomorrow.

He also reaffirmed his commitment to the task at hand. He said: We embark on a journey for the next four years. The task ahead of us is challenging, and we the members of this Committee need all hands on deck. All talent, all wisdom, each and every one must take an active part in guiding our Union to a better tomorrow. We must never allow the seeds of separation to germinate within our family. Its time to build a future together which we can all share, hold pride in; and I look forward to once again working with every member as we embark on yet another chapter of the great book of the CFU.

In addition to Warner, the nominations for the upcoming CFU elections are: Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaican Football Federation (1st vice-president of CFU); Colin Klass, President of the Guyana Football Federation (2nd vice-president of CFU); and CFU Executive Committee Members  Victor Daniel, general secretary of the Grenada Football Association; Luis Hernandez, president of the Cuban Football Association, Yves Jean Bart, president of the Haitian Football Federation and  Lionel Haven, general secretary of the Bahamas Football Association.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on December 22, 2010, 06:28:50 AM
Warner unopposed for CFU top post
T&T Guardian Reports.
Published: Wed, 2010-12-22 20:45

 
Warner has been President since 1982. Fifa vice-president, Jack Austin Warner has been nominated unopposed for the presidency of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU). This means that Warner, Minister of Works and Transport, will be elected for the eighth consecutive term as president of the regions governing body of football. All remaining incumbent members of the executive committee have also been nominated unchallenged in their current capacities.

Nominations for posts within the Executive Committee of the CFU closed at 4 pm on Monday. In a demonstration of the ongoing stability and unity within the CFU that has characterised his presidency, Warner received multiple nominations from the CFUs diverse membership of 30 nations.  Warner, who has served as the president of the CFU since its inception in 1982, has described the development as both humbling and invigorating.

In accepting the nomination, Warner said, I am humbled today by the trust bestowed upon me by my Caribbean brothers and sisters; this trust that you, my family, has placed upon me has invigorated my spirit and my soul to continue to serve you to the best of my ability.  For over 40 years of my life I have served this sport but I cannot and I will never personalise the sequence of events.  I now bear with the other members of this Executive Committee the task of implementing the mandate set by you, the members of this great and promising Union.

Continuing, Warner stated that we are a young institution and our environment is dynamic, but our dreams and our visions have remained the same.  Our Union has risen above numerous challenges, we have braved the storms, we have sailed on sometimes uncertain seas but our commitment to a vision of improving Caribbean Football remains our compass. It is this commitment that is our beacon which shines through the mists of ambiguity and allows us to guide our ship to a brighter and better tomorrow.  While we are still confronted by numerous challenges, our capacity and our love for the sport have remained undaunted. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better future; to carry forward the principles of our sport: That all are equal, all are free, and together this team, which is not only the members of this Committee, but this team made up of every member of every Federation will work hand in hand for a better tomorrow.

He also reaffirmed his commitment to the task at hand. He said: We embark on a journey for the next four years. The task ahead of us is challenging, and we the members of this Committee need all hands on deck. All talent, all wisdom, each and every one must take an active part in guiding our Union to a better tomorrow. We must never allow the seeds of separation to germinate within our family. Its time to build a future together which we can all share, hold pride in; and I look forward to once again working with every member as we embark on yet another chapter of the great book of the CFU.

In addition to Warner, the nominations for the upcoming CFU elections are: Captain Horace Burrell, president of the Jamaican Football Federation (1st vice-president of CFU); Colin Klass, President of the Guyana Football Federation (2nd vice-president of CFU); and CFU Executive Committee Members  Victor Daniel, general secretary of the Grenada Football Association; Luis Hernandez, president of the Cuban Football Association, Yves Jean Bart, president of the Haitian Football Federation and  Lionel Haven, general secretary of the Bahamas Football Association.

Jackula real have we Caribbean people in a trance yes!!
One bite and you are a slave for life!  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on January 22, 2011, 09:58:35 AM
JACK TO PAY $7.5M
By AZARD ALI Saturday, January 22 2011

A COMPANY primarily owned by Works Minister Jack Warner yesterday lost a $7.5 million lawsuit in the High Court to a contractor who was commissioned to construct the hotel, Emerald Plaza, St Augustine.

The company, Le Sportel Ltd, was ordered to pay Docs Engineering Works (1992) Ltd (DEW) $7,549,769.75 in damages for breach of contract in a judgement handed down in the San Fernando High Court by Justice Joseph Tam.

Le Sportel is a company owned by Warner and his family, and in 1999 it contracted DEW to construct Emerald Plaza at a cost of $11,962,500. In ruling against Le Sportel, Tam said, I reject the evidence of the defendant.

Le Sportel terminated the contract in January 2001 on the basis of defective works and failure of DEW to meet contractual deadlines. Le Sportel also alleged DEW did not use appropriate materials on the project.

DEW, a construction company owned by Shymdeo Gosine and based in Point Lisas, began building Emerald Plaza, a first class hotel for international visitors . Emerald Plaza also houses several shopping stores. When in January 2001, Le Sportel terminated DEWs contract, the latter sued for breach of contract and contended the allegation that it had delayed the project was untrue.

Emerald Plaza was eventually built by another contractor.

The issue in the case was whether DEW met its contractual obligations to Le Sportel.

When DEW filed the lawsuit, Le Sportel responded by filing a counter claim against DEW for remedial works, damages for delay, and resulting lost of income for rental of the rooms and business that were to be housed in Emerald Plaza.

The trial lasted 21 days in which Warner give evidence on behalf of Le Sportel.

Tam finally gave his ruling yesterday and apologised for the delay, saying the trial took 21 days and there were 2,000 pages of evidence to read. Attorney Prakash Deonarine, Richard Jagai and Susan Mulchan represented DEW. Senior Counsels Standley Marcus and Avery Sinanan argued the case for Le Sportel.

In an oral judgment yesterday, Tam recalled Warner had given evidence on behalf of Le Sportel on the issue of why his company terminated the contract with DEW, but the judge found that DEW was not at fault. Tam said, The defendant (Le Sportel) never called its project clerk of works, who would have been the person day-to-day on the project, to give evidence on the quality of works. I reject the evidence of the defendant.

Le Sportel also claimed DEW should pay damages for the delay because of a penalty clause in the contract. However, the judge commented, Mr Warner said there was a concluded agreement of a penalty clause. But from the documents, there was no evidence of such.

Tam ordered Le Sportel to pay DEW $4,902,478.90 plus interest at the rate of six percent from the date of the filing of the lawsuit in 2001. The total amount is $7,549,769.75. Le Sportel was also ordered to pay DEWs legal cost fit for two attorneys.

Le Sportel in its counter claim was asking the court for DEW to pay $3.5 million for remedial works and another $3.2 million in damages. A further $1.2 million was also being asked for by Le Sportel for monies lost in the rental of rooms and stores at Emerald Plaza as a result of the delayed project. Justice Tam threw out those claims.

Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: RGarcia on January 22, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
 :whistling: :whistling:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davyjenny1 on January 24, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on January 25, 2011, 12:37:18 AM
Yeah, he probably choked when he lost his court case!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2011, 12:54:53 AM
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues

Somebody probably secretly hang ah string ah garlic arung he neck.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Die_Hard on January 25, 2011, 01:04:28 AM
I heard Jack talking to the press today and it sounds like he has some kinda respiratory issues

Somebody probably secretly hang ah string ah garlic arung he neck.

Oh my goodness.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: theworm2345 on January 26, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on January 27, 2011, 12:17:30 AM
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.

And thats all they have in common!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on January 27, 2011, 06:30:16 PM
Jack is 68 today and Jose Mourinho is 48.

And thats all they have in common!!!!!

Nah man; Aquarius people are some of the most successful people at what they do out there. I am not talking about the quality of human being just their ability to acheive personal success. Their single mindedness as well as there ability to stay emotionally detached are a couple of reasons. I think Jack and Jose are equally ruthless in their efforts to attain their personal goals.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Babalawo on February 09, 2011, 11:42:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vZbB7_1NX0
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on February 10, 2011, 08:10:59 AM
Quality. Great 2nd goal by Stern.  Nice to see the guys not afraid to shoot from distance. Thats the impact of playing with confidence and not being afraid to miss. (And, of course, knowing you'll get paid!!)
Title: Interesting.
Post by: Die_Hard on February 17, 2011, 12:04:49 AM
http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=34164

Again???

Jack Warner Faces FIFA Ethics Committee Ticketing Probe
Title: Re: Interesting.
Post by: Football supporter on February 17, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
I think its fairly obvious which member of the FIFA executive committee raised the matter.....the same guy who was promised Jacks votes in the World Cup bid, along with his prime minister and future king!!!

What goes around, comes around!!

But seriously, if Jack is found in any way to be involved in anything underhand, it will be very difficult for him to retain his ministerial role, as Kamla has declared she will not tolerate any form of corruption or financial law breaking.

Even more interesting is that later today, the judge will give his next set of rulings which may include investigations of TTFF's books. It will be very difficult to play the FIFA "govt can't get involved" card if they are investigating the same person, who has already been found guilty by FIFA of a financial wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Interesting.
Post by: AB.Trini on February 17, 2011, 01:18:52 AM
I think its fairly obvious which member of the FIFA executive committee raised the matter.....the same guy who was promised Jacks votes in the World Cup bid, along with his prime minister and future king!!!

What goes around, comes around!!

But seriously, if Jack is found in any way to be involved in anything underhand, it will be very difficult for him to retain his ministerial role, as Kamla has declared she will not tolerate any form of corruption or financial law breaking.

Even more interesting is that later today, the judge will give his next set of rulings which may include investigations of TTFF's books. It will be very difficult to play the FIFA "govt can't get involved" card if they are investigating the same person, who has already been found guilty by FIFA of a financial wrongdoing.
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From some  quarters, 'talk' has proven to be cheap' It leaves to be seen if a political action will speak louder than  mere words. Unlike Egypt, we allow our pharaohs to rise form the ashes and to continue to soar to unbelievable heights even if it  at the expense of the  multitudes. We are not ready to sit all day in the hot sun or jump and wave in the pouring rain in Woodford Square to demand an end to tyrannical rule; we will reserved our energies and our jump and wave  for carnival, fetes and liming.

Nevertheless, allegations of indiscretionary practices have been running rampant on this forum  for some time now. What has always been an area of interest in FIFA and the world of football is an undercurrent of  alleged bribery and  match fixing. We need not go abroad to see what has occurred; our WC campaign is still one filled with what appears to be blunders and a comedy of errors of such gigantic proportions that our demise in the Caribbean football arena has left us a laughing stock and onlookers  at the Gold Cup.

If one was to review our 2010 WC campaign, one could conceivably  view the 'black list ' as a convenient ploy to keep our best players from representing and producing the results to move forward. Additionally the hiring of a novice coach to  guide a  team at its most crucial time of qualifications is blatant incompetence or part of a greater master plan scheme. What reasonable coach would  be so silent and non responsive in light of  public outcry for the ineptitude of the team's performance at the Digicel Cup.

To show how political talk is sometimes equated to non action, consider a minister of sports, proclaiming that if the Warriors did not qualify for the Gold Cup, the coach would be relived of his position. How has that proclamation been fulfilled? additional lies, fabrication of alleged  high profile coach's accepting the job have been filling the press waves and deflecting us from the severity of  wrongs that have not been righted or addressed as per our last WC campaign. What becomes of a review of the reports as presented by the technical staff following our failures in the WC campaign and the Caribbean Cup?

The selection of  ill prepared, and  players with limited experience for this level of play are just some of the atrocities that flamed the demise of what was suppose to be another WC appearance for TnT. Apparently it was not our turn this time; the laws of average or the back door deals dictated other plans.

Is there a similar ethics committee in TnT to examine the spending of government funds once it has been allocated to sporting bodies? I believe there are still funds unaccounted for yet some continue to heap praise and support  unethical practices of some. Should we risk a guess as to which ministry has the largest budget?

No one wishes hell nor damnation on another but when others profit and the multitudes suffer, redemption time must prevail.  Seriously, if these allegations are proven to be true, where does that leave us to know that a political figure, a minister may be unethical in one aspect of governance but true to electorates and to his Prime minister in another light? One cannot always live by producing a low product and profiting high!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on February 17, 2011, 07:51:00 AM
The shocking thing is....I actually like Jack Warner being minister of works & transport! He actually seems to care and shows some good thinking. Maybe I just don't care if he squeezes a little change from these projects?

But such is the fabric of life that I DO care if people take money from sport. Every $ can be used in some small way to benefit youth development, provide improved facilities etc.

I really can see the day when the whole system collapses, all the old school are removed and a new administration is put in place. If, as A.B. suggests, a committee is formed to look at football in T&T, they will have no choice but to recommend a total restructuring. And if Jack is gone, trust me, the English F.A. will provide assistance in rebuilding the T&T football administration into a more transparent and effective organisation. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on February 17, 2011, 07:57:22 AM
Kamla ain't doing a damn thing if Jack get ketch... she'll likely bawl "it's an outside matter" and say her focus is what happens in her government.  Chief reason for that being the fact that it's Jack who's really pulling the strings in the background.  Of course now that she's in power she can jettison it... but to borrow a saying from Anil, I don't think she has the testicular fortitude to.

As for Jack's work with the Ministry... I'm sure the public buying the act that he really does care... just as the English FA did.
Title: A lovely article on Jack Warner.
Post by: Sam on February 18, 2011, 11:57:42 AM
JACK WARNER IS A FOOTBALL IDIOT, AND CLUELESS
 
Thirty-three years after Caribbean Football made him a millionaire, here in his own words, is Jack Warners take on his stewardship.
 
Address at the Caribbean Football Unions 34th Congress, Jamaica, 02/15/2011.
 
The time has come for the sport in the region to truly make its mark on the world stage. The statistics of our performance are revealing a story of which we must take cognizance.
 
After 33 years?  Mubaraks gone, Jack!

This is a clear indictment against our brand of football, and the time has come for us to shift the paradigm from just being satisfied to participate in a tournament, at the expense of truly competing. As a Union we cannot go on like this.

Yeah right. Wasnt he in charge?
 
In spite of the training courses, programmes and seminars funded by FIFA and the CONCACAF, in spite of the FIFA grants received (each of you received over $1.3 million dollars in the last four years) SO DID EVERY OTHER NATIONAL FA WITHIN FIFA your teams still remain the whipping boys and girls of the CONCACAF Confederation, and the message I am here to deliver today at the 34th Congress of the Caribbean Football Union is, lets shift the paradigm and bring glory to the CFU.
 
What utter nonsense after 33 years.
 
Success starts with a dream, with an obsession, and it is never too late to start. It begins with the insularity among member states. It begins with the abolition of infighting within member associations. THE T&T NATIONAL TEAM PLAYERS FROM THE 2006 WORLD CUP ARE STILL AWAITING, AFTER SEVERAL COURT VICTORIES, THEIR SHARE OF THE MILLIONS JACK WARNER AND HIS FAMILY TOOK. To the Warner family, Greed is Good!
 
It begins with the removal of I and the introduction of We, and the recognition that no one can do it alone, we need the help of each other. Every member association, over the next six months should present a four-year Strategic Plan for Football Development in its territory. This plan must be different from all other plans. To state what you want is one thing; to tell us what you hope to achieve is another.
 
WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT?  WHAT PLANET IS HE ON?

Today, February 16, 2011, Arsenal defeated Barcelona 2-1 in the European Champions League game featuring the two best teams in the world. That, Mr. Warner, is the state of World Football today.
 
The Caribbean Football Union must also have its own four-year Strategic Development Plan for Football, and madam general secretary, we must set lofty goals and drive our member associations to fulfill them. Nothing must be done by vaps anymore. Outputs must be aligned to outcomes. We need to become results-based policy driven units. Until we strategize, we will never succeed.
 
NOTHING MUST BE DONE BY VAPS ANYMORE, is a clear admission of how clueless Jack Warner really is, after 33 years as the head of Caribbean Football from which he and his family have pimped millions.
 
How do Franz Beckenbauer, Michel Platini and Bobby Charlton allow themselves to be repeatedly conned by this idiot within the corridors of FIFA?
 
Finally, a CONCACAF press release on 12/22/10, with his picture and headlined Warner nominated unopposed for CFU Presidency states, The CFU was founded in 1982 and Warner has been its only President. THIS STATEMENT IS A BIG LIE.
 
The Caribbean Football Union (CFU) was founded on January 28th 1978 in Port au Prince, Haiti, and Andre Kamperveen of Suriname was elected President with Mr. Warner as Secretary.
 
The real way forward for Caribbean Football will be discussed in another article.
 
D. Future
February 16, 2011
Title: Re: A lovely article on Jack Warner.
Post by: Football supporter on February 18, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Apparently, the definition of stupid is doing exactly the same thing, time after time, and expecting a different outcome.

Its about time that CFU recognised that definition.
Title: Re: A lovely article on Jack Warner.
Post by: frico on February 19, 2011, 05:08:39 AM
IT would be nice if JW can teef loads ah money from the FIFA coffers and give it out to the CONCACAF nations,we can then hire a top class coach instead of men like Latapy who should be coaching a college team.
You can do a fiddle for the region Jack,have a go mate yuh never know it might juss wuk. ;D
Title: The Jack Warner dictionary.
Post by: Sam on February 28, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
The Jack Warner dictionary.

Dictator: A dictatorship is defined as an autocratic form of government in which the government is ruled by an individual, the dictator (Mr Dracular).

Greed: Greed is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed - like lust and gluttony - is a sin of excess. Greed is inappropriate expectation.

Unstoppable: unstoppable cannot be stopped or surpassed.

Selfishness: Selfishness denotes an excessive or exclusive concern with oneself; and as such it exceeds mere self interest or self concern. In that it necessarily connotes a disregard for others, it is beyond the act of placing one's own needs or desires above the needs or desires of others (self interest).

Conman: A con artist, or a person who uses a fraud method known as a confidence trick.

Trinis: We Trinis deserve everything we get because not one of us here on in T&T have the balls to stop Jack Warner. We make Jack the man he is today because he gets away with anything, he is rich and have alot of support from people in high places.

I bet you Jack will find a way to not pay the 2006 WC players and if he do pay them that money is only a drop of water in Jack bucket, he will raise again. In 2005 and 2006 he made over a $188 million just on football.

He is the most powerful man in T&T, nobody could stop theis man, he make Eric Williams 30 years in government look like chump change.

He owns everybody who works for him. He went up against the government and won every battle against (Basdeo Panday & Patrick Manning). He slap Andrew Jennings in public, on tape and got away with it, he made Lasana Liburd run and hide.

He owns a few businesses in T&T.

He is worth millions, John O'Halloran couldn't thief more. He is a perfect thief.

He is now in government and have friends in governament (Anil Roberts, Nizam Mohammed and Anand Ramlogan).

His right hand is our Prime Minister.

FIFA is afraid of him. He even made a racsist comment on AndrewJennings and white man and got away with it and he works for a white man (Sepp Blatter). CONCACAF trimbles when they see him.

He have an empire that is growing in every area and sooner or later he will control T&T 100%. He already own Chaguanas and their people, a bunch of stupid indians who get brain wash for a few dollars.

I would love to know what school Jack Warner went to, I would endorse it. This man cannot even talk properly and yet he manage to take over the World.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner dictionary.
Post by: MEP on February 28, 2011, 10:38:22 PM
Quote
Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Anil tell it, anybody could work for Jack. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Apologies to Usual Suspect but this quote with a little modification seems apropos.
Title: "Jack in A Box" - A blog take on Jack Warner
Post by: Zeppo on March 01, 2011, 12:06:18 PM
From Bill Archer at BigSoccer:

Jack in A Box (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11009)

Fast forward to last week and a lovely five star Montego Bay resort where the Caribbean Football Union showed him just how deeply they care about this kind of thing; he was re-elected for another four year term which wasn't surprising considering that, as always, he was running unopposed.

Replace Jack Warner? Why on Gods' Earth would they want to do that? As he himself reminded the Assembled Federation Presidents:

"each of you received over $1.3 million in the last four years".

Which of course for "countries" like The Turks and Caicos (population 18,122), Montserrat (9,341), Anguilla (14,254) and the British Virgin Island (19,100) - to name a few - is one whole hell of a lot more money than they were going to collect from, say, youth registrations or car washes. Or bake sales, unless Jamaica brings the brownies.
Title: Re: "Jack in A Box" - A blog take on Jack Warner
Post by: weary1969 on March 01, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
From Bill Archer at BigSoccer:

Jack in A Box (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11009)

Fast forward to last week and a lovely five star Montego Bay resort where the Caribbean Football Union showed him just how deeply they care about this kind of thing; he was re-elected for another four year term which wasn't surprising considering that, as always, he was running unopposed.

Replace Jack Warner? Why on Gods' Earth would they want to do that? As he himself reminded the Assembled Federation Presidents:

"each of you received over $1.3 million in the last four years".

Which of course for "countries" like The Turks and Caicos (population 18,122), Montserrat (9,341), Anguilla (14,254) and the British Virgin Island (19,100) - to name a few - is one whole hell of a lot more money than they were going to collect from, say, youth registrations or car washes. Or bake sales, unless Jamaica brings the brownies.


CONCACAF Kleptocrat-in-Chief Jack Warner :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: King Deese on March 09, 2011, 11:58:59 AM
Jack: Concacaf will be given all it deserves.
T&T Guardian Reports.


The perception of small teams or countries in the world of football must be dispelled. On the field of play we are all equal and through our Goal Projects, Fifa continues to exercise its commitment to ensuring equity and equality.

As the president of Concacaf and the CFU I will continue to ensure that we are given all that we deserve.


Yeah, you tell them Jackie "oh what an ass they are for thinking oh what an ass I am" Warner. We will get jail time. In addition to that we are all equal on the field of play, we all have short pants, shirt, football boots, socks, two legs, two arms, a torso, and we all kick the same ball. Other than that you will get what you deserve as well, nothing.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 09, 2011, 03:04:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 09, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
      Kaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on March 09, 2011, 09:40:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
      Kaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)

Yuh ketch the "yesterday was yesterday"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 09, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Gawd... ah love she  :notworthy:



Jack get so much licks he bawl he sure he could learn something from she.  Yuh nastiness, God doh sleep.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Sam on March 10, 2011, 06:32:16 AM
Crooked Jack Warner Will Keep Sepp Blatter In Office At FIFA Elections.
CaughtOffside.Com


FIFA vice-president and Concacaf president Jack Warner has positioned himself to be a major figure in the organisations presidential elections in June.

Concacaf are the only confederation who will block-vote, meaning their 35 member countries will decide if Asias candidate, Mohamed bin Hammam, or Sepp Blatter will be in charge for a fourth term.

Warner betrayed the England 2018 World Cup bid team after putting his arm around Prince William and said, You have my vote, before supporting winners Russia.

He is so powerful that he will decide who the North, Central American and Caribbean football associations will vote for.

The FA, who went out of their way to court Warner in their failed bid, will drop their support for Caribbean football in response as they are backing bin Hammam.

Warner has a controversial history. As well as lying to the 2018 bid team, he withheld World Cup bonuses to the Trinidad and Tobago squad in 2006 and BBCs Panorama showed he was involved in black-market ticket sales.

But Hammam, who would be tied with Blatter in supporters from other confederations, will not declare his running until he receives backing at the UEFA Congress in Paris on March 22

The Qatari may leave his announcement until the March 31 deadline so as to confuse UEFA chief Michel Platini, who may also stand against Blatter if Hammam is competing.

Platini wanted the presidency for 2015, but Hammam is likely to serve two terms if he wins in 2011.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: supporter on March 10, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
Cant we do some facebook movement to oust him? thats the trend these days lol
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: futbolfan on March 10, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
Cant we do some facebook movement to oust him? thats the trend these days lol

me eh know bout dat nah...because it eh look like dat social media thing eh wukin out to good for dem people in Libya.  :-\
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 10, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 10, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.

what was the interview about ??/
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: College on March 10, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)
      Kaiso!Kaiso!!!!! Calypso of the season,how Jack always winnig so?Shaka was correct the case really highlight Jack,some peeps does make me laugh boy,she even call for him to pay the Worriors their money.(niceness)

Yuh ketch the "yesterday was yesterday"


Classic.. It nice to know that freedom of speech is alive and well in T&T.. Jack probably thinking , this gyul dangerous...lemme get this gyul a wuk in de ministry and she if ah could control she
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 10, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 10, 2011, 03:13:16 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 10, 2011, 05:13:41 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 10, 2011, 06:47:59 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 10, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on March 10, 2011, 10:32:40 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coops's that is rel mad talk you talking. Any player in your time ever stand up to JW and get as far as these fellas had gotten? I bet you cannot name one, not one. These fellas has done a great service to T&T and ah find you coming ah round about way trying to discredit them recently. There must be fall out in somethig like this. Nothing wrong with that, but by far and by large these fellas has been the biggest heroes of T&T football in the history of T&T football. They are the only players to take us to the WC and they are the only players to make JW back peddle and make the world pay attention.

So stop trying to out the fellas fire they have done us proud, maybe not you but I am very happy and satified with Sancho, Shaka, Jack and the others.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 11, 2011, 04:43:16 AM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 13, 2011, 05:45:42 AM
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 07:13:39 AM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
     Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 13, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
     Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.

Right so with all the knowledge you have about what goes on behind the scenes, why is it you seem to take a negative position where these 13 players are concerned??  Every time the issue comes up its like you want them to fail and Jack and his croonies over at the TTFF to win??
 
THAT is what I have a problem understanding Coop's.......it eh making no sense to me that FINALLY a group of players decided not to back down against the almighty Jack but you seem to have a problem with that.....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 01:11:35 PM
Sancho was interviewed today by BBC on the streets of Belmont.
       That's all?tell we what Sancho say.
     

Just an interview about the court case. He basically said the same as in other interviews. Jack needs to be seriously investigated, he can't distance himself, is it right for a minister/fifa vp to be involved in a case where he has lied and produced false accounts? Where has the money gone? Warner/Camps 20 year stranglehold on football is a disgrace and should be ended. 2006 was the best and the saddest thing he has experienced. The people are now wising up about Jack.

People on the streets were coming over and congratulating Brent on winning the case and voicing lots of criticism about Jack. 
          I was thinking a little bit,since this team played in the WC have they ever come together and play any kind of games at all?like all the other teams did,just to apease the fans/supporters who was there with and for them right through the journey.I should think there are peeps who still want to get up close and personal with these guys,they are our heros.

That won't happen mate. Some of the 13 would never associate themselves with some of the other guys. Particularly, Dwight and Russell, who were the high profile players. Dwight was involved in the dispute at the very beginning and then settled. Some of the 13 feel very let down. One or two also feel vexed with players like Carlos & Dennis who were well liked, but again, settled. Then you have Marvin, Coxy & Birchall who jumped out at a crucial stage. Unfortunately, that team spirit you saw in Germany has fallen victim to Jacks "divide & conquer" strategy. 
        So you see that is where some of our problems lie,these are the same guys with the modern day ideas that want to dictate/control Football in the country,if as a team they can't control themselves where we heading,it's the first national team too reach this level all the others are still together,if we can't unite as a team what going to happen as a country and if that can't happen nothing else will.Kep blameing Jack everybody is big men you know.

Coop's maybe if you had some of the behind the scene details of what the 13 players had to undergo from their former fellow team mates, you would hush!!!

And yeah I lay the blame squarely at the foot of the great Jack.....after all team come, team go but one person has been in the middle of every single bacchanal that ever erupted in T&T football....take a wild guess as to who I'm referring to......
     Behind what scenes you talking about,if i can give you behind the scenes info from Haiti WC,Strike Squad WC is Germany WC i will not know?look come better than that,from the time someone has a difference of opinion from what the gang likes you all just want to attack them.

Right so with all the knowledge you have about what goes on behind the scenes, why is it you seem to take a negative position where these 13 players are concerned??  Every time the issue comes up its like you want them to fail and Jack and his croonies over at the TTFF to win??
 
THAT is what I have a problem understanding Coop's.......it eh making no sense to me that FINALLY a group of players decided not to back down against the almighty Jack but you seem to have a problem with that.....
      The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
      The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.

Coop's... with all respect this is speculative nonsense.  There is no way you can look at a Brent Sancho, a Shaka Hislop or even a Anthony Wolfe and say that these fellas don't care about TnT football.  You know you and I cool, but throughout this entire impasse there has been an undercurrent of negativity, if not hostility in your comments towards the players.  Maybe you think that the players should have just shut up and accept the $5,000 in the name of the "greater good" of football, but that shortsighted mentality has never benefitted our game.  It didn't work in your time and it isn't working right now. 

If corrupt officiating robbed the 1973 team of going to the WC, a corrupt administration did the same to the 1989 Strike Squad, and 2010 (and possibly 2014) Soca Warriors squads.  How much longer were these footballers supposed to accept the status quo?  You're SO against the players, saying they greedy and selfish

1) What do you recommend they should have done? 

2) How do you suggest this would have made a difference in benefitting TnT football?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 13, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
      The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football,if alyu want to fight with Jack that's fine but look at what's happening to Football in the country,when peeps here saying pay the players and they don't care about the Football i have a problem with that,who cares what Jack does i care about our Football.

Coop's... with all respect this is speculative nonsense.  There is no way you can look at a Brent Sancho, a Shaka Hislop or even a Anthony Wolfe and say that these fellas don't care about TnT football.  You know you and I cool, but throughout this entire impasse there has been an undercurrent of negativity, if not hostility in your comments towards the players.  Maybe you think that the players should have just shut up and accept the $5,000 in the name of the "greater good" of football, but that shortsighted mentality has never benefitted our game.  It didn't work in your time and it isn't working right now. 

If corrupt officiating robbed the 1973 team of going to the WC, a corrupt administration did the same to the 1989 Strike Squad, and 2010 (and possibly 2014) Soca Warriors squads.  How much longer were these footballers supposed to accept the status quo?  You're SO against the players, saying they greedy and selfish

1) What do you recommend they should have done? 

2) How do you suggest this would have made a difference in benefitting TnT football?

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 02:55:25 PM
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.   
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.   

Okay, so maybe I misinterpreted what you said, and if that is the case then I apologize... but that being the case how can you say that people on here only want the players to get their money and that they don't care about the football?  People might have differing opinions as to what's best for our football, but with the exception of the odd-Jamaican or American posting here, people are members of this site because they care about our football in some way shape or form.  I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, but if you find that the response to your comments are negative it's because your comments are generally perceived to be pro-TTFF and anti-players.  Now whether that is tru or not is another matter, but the fact is this is how your comments come off to me.  For instance:

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The problem i have is it's not benefiting the game of Football in any way,it's all about the players what about T&T Football

How can you say that this court matter is all about the players?  Somebody needed to stand up to Jack to let him know that the TTFF is not just his personal little toy to do with it as he wished... players have rights too.  The only way for our football to progress is for both parties to treat the issue as a partnership.  We can't continue treating it like a master-servant relationship where the Federation is the master and the players the servants.  Take a look at any respectable Federation in FIFA and you'll see that this is the model... joint-partners.  That doesn't mean that the players necessarily have to have equal say in everything, but they need to have a strong voice at the table. This court decision (hopefully) is the first step toward that.  This issue is much bigger than the 13 players.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 05:00:57 PM
Bakes i have been where those players are in the past,i've fought when players had no voice,we tried to form Players Assoc,Coaches Assoc etc and was not successfull,i was a player a Coach,participated in what ever it had going on in Football at the time,is just that i'm old school and it hurts to see what our Football has come too today,i can quote who said it's all about the players money and they don't care about our Football and it's one of us and that's some of the things that hurt me,i have worked hard in what ever little way to make Football the game it is at home and to see it being destroyed is not nice,don't matter what happens to Football in T&T it will all boil down to one man,to recover from the damage done to Football it may not happen in our lifetime,i never thought we would have made a WC finals in my lifetime but we did under the same man,i was a player how could i hate the players is just that i thought the situation could have been handled differently by both parties.I want you all to know i love this site but it's getting very difficult for me to give my views on here (respect guys).
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 06:10:36 PM
Bakes i have been where those players are in the past,i've fought when players had no voice,we tried to form Players Assoc,Coaches Assoc etc and was not successfull,i was a player a Coach,participated in what ever it had going on in Football at the time,is just that i'm old school and it hurts to see what our Football has come too today,i can quote who said it's all about the players money and they don't care about our Football and it's one of us and that's some of the things that hurt me,i have worked hard in what ever little way to make Football the game it is at home and to see it being destroyed is not nice,don't matter what happens to Football in T&T it will all boil down to one man,to recover from the damage done to Football it may not happen in our lifetime,i never thought we would have made a WC finals in my lifetime but we did under the same man,i was a player how could i hate the players is just that i thought the situation could have been handled differently by both parties.I want you all to know i love this site but it's getting very difficult for me to give my views on here (respect guys).

Coop's you know what they say about being around heat in the kitchen... if you state your views publicly (by posting them here) then you run the risk of having people either agree with you, or disagree with you.  I am sure you wouldn't want to stop posting if people AGREE with you, so why then would you want to stop because they disagree?  We're all here exchanging opinions, at times some more informed than others... at the end of the day it's your decision whether you want to continue participating or not  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on March 13, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
Coops, you should continue to post, hoss. Although people may not agree with some of your comments, you give alternative opinions which spark debate. That is how we all can learn to come to more thought out conclusions. If we all agreed, there would be no point.

Now my view regarding the betterment of football in T&T is to remove all these old school people. There has been no real notable improvements for many years. The definition of madness is doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results.

As for the financial status, well, TTFF had their richest ever year in 2006 - an estimated $188 million, yet they still made a loss and still have pre 2006 debts. If that isn't poor management, I don't know what is. So, to me, the players taking on this case have brought to light information that would never have been known by the public. It also raises many questions about the capability and honesty of people running football in T&T.

So, with all of your experiences of working with TTFF in various capacities, how do you feel knowing they have misspent or misplaced millions of dollars that should have been spent on developing our football? As much as you may admire some of their actions, you must admit that no organisation would allow this type of mismanagement to go unpunished.

Its time for a change (in fact, it should have happened years ago). 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on March 13, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
Coops, you should continue to post, hoss. Although people may not agree with some of your comments, you give alternative opinions which spark debate. That is how we all can learn to come to more thought out conclusions. If we all agreed, there would be no point.

Now my view regarding the betterment of football in T&T is to remove all these old school people. There has been no real notable improvements for many years. The definition of madness is doing the same thing day after day and expecting different results.

As for the financial status, well, TTFF had their richest ever year in 2006 - an estimated $188 million, yet they still made a loss and still have pre 2006 debts. If that isn't poor management, I don't know what is. So, to me, the players taking on this case have brought to light information that would never have been known by the public. It also raises many questions about the capability and honesty of people running football in T&T.

So, with all of your experiences of working with TTFF in various capacities, how do you feel knowing they have misspent or misplaced millions of dollars that should have been spent on developing our football? As much as you may admire some of their actions, you must admit that no organisation would allow this type of mismanagement to go unpunished.

Its time for a change (in fact, it should have happened years ago). 
:beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 13, 2011, 09:18:19 PM
Bakes i think you are quoting me wrong here,i do not for one moment think the players don't care about Football or anything of the sort,what i said was people on here say once the players get their money they don't care about our Football (meaning the people and not players),may be i have to stop posting because my english ain't too good,anything i say is negative,the Jamaicans get a better response than me.   

Coop's I hope you have not interpreted my stance on this whole impasse issue as me being for the players and not caring about Football.  I love our Football and would love to see it flourish but the fact is and has always been (and you don't need me to tell you that as you have pointed out), there has been one man at the centre of ALL our footballing troubles and that is Jack Warner.  He is ably assisted by his croonies over at the TTFF.  So I know that I posted some time ago that I was not going to anymore games unless the players are paid AND the current administration of T&T football is removed.

The players must be paid because it will be first time Jack Warner/TTFF will be made to pay because of Jack's recklessness.  The current admin of the TTFF must leave our football because they have been around our football for too long.  For me to stop at the players being paid is not enough.  If the case of the missing $188 million isn't enough to convince us all dat we in deep doo doo with this bunch then I don't know what will.  

I choose to show my love for our football in a way that's different to you or anyone else on this board and that's fine.  That's what makes the world go round.  Variety.

Whether or not you continue to post is all fine and dandy....that's your funeral not mine.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 09:49:21 PM
There we go again,who said i will not post on here,all i've said is it's very difficult for me and everybody interprit that in there own way,it have people i don't see on here anymore they choose that route,i'm not that way old school again nah.Take a drink guys  :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Daft Trini on March 14, 2011, 08:17:26 AM
There we go again,who said i will not post on here,all i've said is it's very difficult for me and everybody interprit that in there own way,it have people i don't see on here anymore they choose that route,i'm not that way old school again nah.Take a drink guys  :beermug:

Real trying times in TnT football bro... I supporting meh US team... at least they consistent. If the fans had it their way (with a functioning national team) then we won't be nitpicking everything, everyone say. Hold on Coops and let us Socawarrior Fans stay strong... :beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D#_1_TrInBa on March 14, 2011, 06:46:55 PM
i dont see any problems as long we all can play...
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on March 15, 2011, 07:34:27 PM
Important discussion and blog awareness progressing nicely.
Big up to the site for exchange of ideas, no matter how distressing some of them are.
Good clarity by Bakes, so nuff respec'.
Go Warriors!

:beermug:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: E-man on March 29, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Bill Archer on Asche's Calypso

"Uncle Jack": Warner Finally Meets His Match - bigsoccer.com (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=11125&page=2#comments)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 29, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)

Wait, I know catch this verse...... 5:19, he could stay right in Port of Spain and make Beckham jump on ah plane....  :rotfl:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on March 29, 2011, 06:28:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dPBy9FTkXkE

Karene Asche 2011 T&T Calypso Monarch paying tribute to Uncle Jack!

Love it, pay the warriors Uncle Jack!!  8)

Wait, I know catch this verse...... 5:19, he could stay right in Port of Spain and make Beckham jump on ah plane....  :rotfl:

BAD LINE THAT
Title: Dimanche Gras 2011 contestant parodies Jack Warner and wins
Post by: Tallman on March 30, 2011, 10:02:20 AM
Dimanche Gras 2011 contestant parodies Jack Warner and wins
By Mr. Sportsbook (Los Angeles Times)


For soccer fans out there, please bear with us regarding some history of Dimanche Gras, so that we can set the scene properly for one of the most public displays of parody of the should-be-disgraced-Jack-Warner.

Dimanche Gras is a huge competition that marks the start of the two day carnival celebrations in Trinidad and Tobago. There are various competitions to discover the King and Queen of the Carnival as well as all the best Calypsonians (its a word) competing against each other to compete to be the Calypso Monarch.

The Dimanche Gras 2011 winner was incredibly a 26 year old woman called Karene Asche who although incredibly talented is very young (and female) to win this title.

Calypso music is the national art form of Trinidad & Tobago, and this infectious, percussion-driven music is deeply ingrained in the culture of most of the Lesser Antilles.

It has been used as a method for social commentary and parody since the British colonial times and now has led to Karene Asche winning Dimanche Gras 2011.

The song that led her to glory was Uncle Jack and can be seen below with a few notable things to watch out for...

The man Karene delivers the football to is wearing a fabulously familiar tie and is playing with planes and cars in a clear reference to Jack Warners position as minister of Public Works and the row over purchasing of aircraft on his duty.

Multiple mentions of UK investigative journalist Andrew Jennings (the curly haired white man who appears with a microphone)

About five minutes in Warner holds up a sign HNIC a clear reference to his speech in September 2010 proclaiming himself as the Head N***** in Charge. (Ralph Ellison defined HNIC as the lone black person whom whites have invested with voice and authority; the king of darkies.) Warner clearly feels he is more powerful than all the other races on the islands and is the one man who delivers the Caribbean votes to whomever pays the most at FIFA.

The refrain at the end to Pay The Warriors, Uncle Jack after Warner refused to pay the T&T team that went to the World Cup in 2006.

Thats enough, there is plenty to enjoy and if you love the beautiful game and all that is good watch and applaud Karene Asche and her beautiful song Uncle Jack.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 02, 2011, 07:16:24 AM
Kamla leaves for US...Jack acts as PM
By CLINT CHAN TACK Saturday, April 2 2011


PRIME MINISTER Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday said Works and Transport Minister Jack Warner will act as Prime Minister while she is in Washington, DC next week for a series of high-level meetings on issues ranging from security to the economy.

Responding to a message sent to her by Newsday during yesterdays sitting of the House of Representatives about who will act as Prime Minister while she is overseas, Persad-Bissessar replied, Warner.

Warners appointment as acting Prime Minister was later confirmed by a statement issued by the Office of the Prime Minister which said Persad-Bissessar will be in for Washingon, DC for a series of engagements from April 4 to 6. She returns home on April 7.

The statement said her first official engagement in Washington will be attending the Spring Gala Dinner at the Kennedy Centre for the Performing Arts which will be held under the patronage of US President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle. Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, who will be in TT to launch the national mentorship programme later this month, is also expected to attend this function.

Speaking in the House yesterday, Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Suruj Rambachan said Persad-Bissessar will deliver the feature address at the Organisation of American States (OAS) Hemispheric Summit on Womens Leadership at the Hall of the Americas. Rambachan said her speech will focus on challenges to the democratic system to womens equality in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Rambachan said the Prime Minister will also give the keynote address at the First Hemispheric Forum on Leadership for a Citizens Democracy in Washington.

He also disclosed Persad-Bissessar and National Security Minister Brigadier John Sandy will hold talks with US Treasury Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, to further this countrys efforts to develop productive counter terrorism strategies and anti-money laundering laws.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 04, 2011, 04:51:50 AM
Jack Warner's secret black market adventure.
STORY SORUCE (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/03/31/nyheter/jack_warner/fifa/billetthaiene/ticket_sharks/16023903/)


EXCLUSIVE: For the very first time, Norwegian black market king Atle G. Barlaup speaks out about the FIFA vice president's secret ticket sales.

(Dagbladet): In 2003, Barlaup founded the company Euroteam, which since has sold black market tickets for 85 million USD. Euroteam, Barlaup says, has bought black market tickets from FIFA vice president Jack Warner:

Twice.

Warner was in 2007 fined 1 million USD, after investigative journalist Andrew Jennings revealed an Ernst & Young report which exposed that Warner had sold tickets through the travel agent Simpaul in Trinidad.

Then, in August 2010, Dagbladet revealed that Warner once again had sold tickets on the black market. The buyer was Euroteam. The story was later featured in BBC's Panorama, where Jennings once again exposed FIFA's dirty economics.

Now, for the very first time, black market bigshot Atle Barlaup speaks out about Warner's business.

Further reading: The ticket sharks (http://go.dagbladet.no/go/e/art;afu=www.dagbladet.noa472011a4703a4731a47nyhetera47jack_warnera47fifaa47billetthaienea47ticket_sharksa4716023903/http://www.dagbladet.no/tag/ticket_sharks)

Worth millions

- Vi bought tickets from Jack Warner in 2006 as well. He sold us 812 tickets, which we bought from him, Barlaup confirms, speaking to Dagbladet over omelette and coffee at a fashionable caf in downtown Oslo.

Sources say the tickets were channeled through a well-known, Norwegian businessman, who knew Warner well after having met him and other Caribbean football officials several times.

- What did you pay for the tickets?

- The price was 2,8 times the original asking price.

Unknown

This would indicate a total amount of almost 1 million USD.

- Were these among the tickets mentioned in the Ernst & Young report?

- No. This deal has never been revealed or mentioned before, Barlaup says, and adds:

- FIFA's corrupt from top to bottom.

Jack Warner has never wanted to speak to Dagbladet, after having been contacted by phone, email, and in person. He remains silent.

- Thanks for your email. Please understand that FIFA cannot comment on such allegations, FIFA writes in an e-mail.

(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/160/160245/16024579/jpg/active/729x.jpg)
SPEAKS OUT: Euroteam founder Atle Barlaup, who bought tickets from Jack Warner twice. Picture: istein Norum Monsen/DAGBLADET

(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/160/160244/16024430/jpg/active/320x.jpg)
CASH KINGS: This picture shows 4 million NOK - in cash. The picture is taken from one of Euroteam's offices in Germany in 2006. The company bought 821 tickets from FIFA vice president Jack Warner that year, founder Atle Barlaup says. Photo: Dagbladet
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 04, 2011, 09:26:01 AM
Ok, reality check needed here (thats one check Jack don't want lol)

Everything is just hearsay, so you can't condemn a man because of that. However, there are so many stories and so much potential evidence, it must be time that someone in T&T forces the issue. I think it was George W Bush who said: "If it looks like a dog and sounds like dog, it probably is a dog." Well, you have to admit, it looks like financial irregularities and sounds like financial irregularities, so it probably is. You can't keep ignoring this. Ok, give the man the opportunity to prove his innocence, but don't, under any circumstances make him acting PM. Is Kamla mad? All of the work she is putting in trying to promote T&T overseas is instantly devalued when Jack is in charge.

I say again, you can't condemn the man, let him defend himself by all means, but deal with the situation once and for all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 04, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
Ok, reality check needed here (thats one check Jack don't want lol)

Everything is just hearsay, so you can't condemn a man because of that. However, there are so many stories and so much potential evidence, it must be time that someone in T&T forces the issue. I think it was George W Bush who said: "If it looks like a dog and sounds like dog, it probably is a dog." Well, you have to admit, it looks like financial irregularities and sounds like financial irregularities, so it probably is. You can't keep ignoring this. Ok, give the man the opportunity to prove his innocence, but don't, under any circumstances make him acting PM. Is Kamla mad? All of the work she is putting in trying to promote T&T overseas is instantly devalued when Jack is in charge.
I say again, you can't condemn the man, let him defend himself by all means, but deal with the situation once and for all.

Do you honestly believe that Jack is only in charge when Kamla flyies out?!  ::)
Title: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: coache on April 07, 2011, 08:30:36 PM
Jack Warner is not a Trinidadian.He rob the people of T+T with de football,now is football and govt;why de people of Trinidad and Tobago allowing this man to continue this daylight robbery?Now he gettin the people to pay ah old coach who cannot get a coaching job to full he pocket.we are going nowhere with this.Money will make and go in Mr Warner's bank account.Stop de man and send him back to Caiacou.
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: Socapro on April 07, 2011, 08:37:47 PM
Jack Warner is not a Trinidadian.He rob the people of T+T with de football,now is football and govt;why de people of Trinidad and Tobago allowing this man to continue this daylight robbery?Now he gettin the people to pay ah old coach who cannot get a coaching job to full he pocket.we are going nowhere with this.Money will make and go in Mr Warner's bank account.Stop de man and send him back to Caiacou.

Why do you want to punish and insult the people of Carriacou?! Grenada football is on the up!!
I'm sure they would want to see JW's birth papers as conclusive proof before they allow him anywhere near their beautiful island!  ::)
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: MEP on April 07, 2011, 09:23:58 PM
in between grenada and carriacou...is some rough waters called kick um Jenny...dais where jack from
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 07, 2011, 09:35:21 PM
I hear Jack from Rio Claro...d last time I went dey...
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: Deeks on April 07, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
why yuh want to associate the good name of cariacou with jack?
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: davidephraim on April 07, 2011, 10:01:20 PM
Personally I take offence to the title of this Post. In some way being a fowl tief is associated with being from caiacou and if it was some other nationality say how whoever is a liar from trinidad then we might not be so inclined to herald it. Bess yuh did stop at Fowl Tief.  But to implicate Caiacou is to kinda shed a negative light on the place like how we always seem to be-little the Grenadians who in case you dont know have spawned a lot of Trinis. We dont have to be politically correct about everything but Leave little Grenada alone for meh please. No meh grandfather is not grenadian, is a French boy who did get with he mother!
Title: Re: Jack Warner is ah fowl tief from Caiacou
Post by: Dutty on April 08, 2011, 07:06:24 AM
No meh grandfather is not grenadian, is a French boy who did get with he mother!

ummm...QUE!?!?!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 11, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
Saw this article in the stadium section of skyscrapercity.com

Just so you know what you're letting yourselves in for. I hope your bid team has deep pockets and no scruples...


FIFA's Jack Warner Accused of Seeking England World Cup Bid Favours

The leaders of Englands failed bid to host the 2018 World Cup were asked by FIFA vice-president Jack Warner to pay for an education centre in his native Trinidad during the bid process.

The Times newspaper alleges that Warner twice asked Englands World Cup bid leaders about funding for facilities on the island, in London in October 2009 and again while a high-profile delegation visited Trinidad at the time of a Caribbean Football Union dinner last February.

Under FIFA rules bid nations were prohibited from offering gifts or other incentives to delegates.

English Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards told The Times that over drinks at a London hotel following the 2009 Leaders in Football conference, Warner asked him and former FA and World Cup bid chairman David Triesman for funds to build the education centre.

"He didn't say: 'Do this and I'll vote for you'," said Richards.

"But it was always at the back of my mind. I did nod my head at Triesman as if to say: Let's not get into this.

"What he said was England should be building this kind of education block as a legacy throughout the world. He did say Trinidad and Tobago wanted one. He said it was an education set-up that he wanted for the children of Trinidad and Tobago.

Triesman confirmed to The Times the meeting at Chelseas Wyndham Grand Hotel, saying that Warner was told that it was absolutely out of the question".

But Warner was apparently not dissuaded.

Four months later, David Dein, who was now England bid international president, visited Trinidad with bid CEO Andy Anson and bid ambassador David Ginola for the Caribbean Football Union gala dinner, which England 2018 partly funded.

The following day Warner took some of the England 2018 delegation to the village of Longdenville near the islands capital, Port of Spain. Warner showed them a dilapidated sports facility that local councillors had petitioned Warner to redevelop.

Plans for a T$13million ($2million) complex comprising a football field, cricket pitch, changing rooms, toilets and a swimming pool had been drawn up.

In the view of some local media, Warner asked the delegation, according to The Times, to at least help get the project started with a financial donation". A microphone was handed to David Dein who said that he would see what he could do.

Funding for the facility by England 2018 was reported in the Trinidadian media as a fait accompli, but England bid sources have always maintained that nothing was ever promised or given.

Warner denied, with typical vigour, the allegations made in todays paper, telling The Times that the meeting never took place.

"I don't know what you are talking about," he was quoted by AFP.

"Why should I ask David Freestone [sic] or somebody for some offices here? Why should I? To do what? It doesn't make sense."

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=34264
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on April 16, 2011, 04:23:09 AM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 16, 2011, 08:26:28 AM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

Former Minister of Transport, Jack Warner starts new job as postman after Soca Warriors World Cup bonus scandal is finally exposed. When asked how he felt about having his properties, businesses  and vehicles seized, Warner said "That was yesterday, this is today"
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on April 16, 2011, 11:01:40 AM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

"...the center act in the circus, was a monkey in a suit riding a bicycle.  Popcorn was 50 a bag."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 16, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

Former Minister of Transport, Jack Warner starts new job as postman after Soca Warriors World Cup bonus scandal is finally exposed. When asked how he felt about having his properties, businesses  and vehicles seized, Warner said "That was yesterday, this is today"

Classic!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 16, 2011, 09:38:22 PM
love him or hate him...jack everywhere....
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 16, 2011, 11:39:59 PM
Caption This...

(http://newsday.co.tt/galeria/2011-04-16-14-1a_Works_&_Transport(3)_15.04.11.jpg)

"...the center act in the circus, was a monkey in a suit riding a bicycle.  Popcorn was 50 a bag."

 :rotfl:

Someone did warn me that Warner would take my job & I never believed them until now!!  :D
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 26, 2011, 05:16:41 PM
It seems that some of the football admin. have catch the TTFF maljeaux or vice versa. This is an article on the preps for Brazil WC taken from the beeb(BBC).


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2011/04/vickery_21.html



On the pitch, last week was a splendid one for Brazilian football.

Fluminense's dramatic qualification for the knockout stages of the Copa Libertadores meant that Brazil did not have a single team eliminated in the group phase - while Argentina lost three.

The Brazilian sides also managed to avoid each other in the second round, creating the possibility of the competition's last eight featuring five teams from the same country.

Off the field, though, the picture is not so impressive, with planning for the 2014 World Cup giving cause for concern.


The state of the country's airports has always been seen as the main impediment to the smooth running of the tournament. Recently a survey by a specialist organisation concluded that work on the airports will not be completed in time - and even if it is, the airports will still be operating beyond their capacity.

Stadium work is also dragging with construction of the new stadium in Sao Paulo, the likely venue of the opening game, yet to start - and doubt has also been cast on the financial viability of four of the 12 stadiums.

Earlier this month, Senator Alvaro Dias, a long running critic of football administration in Brazil, even called on the country to give up the right to stage the tournament.

Dias is an opposition politician seeking to embarrass the government and he was more likely making mischief rather than presenting a serious suggestion.

There seems no reason to doubt that the tournament will go ahead in Brazil, but those in charge of the process have little cause for self-congratulation.

"There is still (just about) time for us to put on a reasonable World Cup," Jose Luiz Portella last week. But a very good one is out of the question. We have wasted the opportunity."

Portella, who in addition to being an engineer and a transport executive is one of the country's most intelligent football columnists, continued: "I have always been in favour of having the World Cup and the Olympics in Brazil, but not with this group who run our sport."

This gets to the heart of the matter.

Brazil's players are so good as a consequence of football's intrinsic meritocracy. By far the principal sport in a giant country, football attracts millions, the best of whom are groomed for a career in the game. The sons of Pele and Zico have tried and failed - a famous name could only get them so far.

Off the field it is a radically different matter. Ricardo Teixeira, former son-in-law of ex-FIFA President Joao Havelange, has been in charge of the Brazilian FA since 1989. The uncharismatic Teixeira also presides over the World Cup Local Organising Committee, in which his daughter as a key administrator.

They both might be part of the rapidly developing world, but there is a key difference between Brazil and 2010 hosts South Africa. Staging last year's World Cup was part of a lengthy process which has seen political power change hands in the rainbow nation.

Brazil has taken huge strides to consolidate its democracy, but old semi-feudal clans have not had their power shaken - as football demonstrates. Teixeira's power base is formed by the presidents of the country's 27 state football federations, some of whom have been in power even longer than he has.

The World Cup started to go wrong from the very start because of Teixeira's unwillingness to alienate that power base.

The key date was March 2003 when Fifa president Sepp Blatter announced that, following the rotation principle, the World Cup would return to South America in 2014. Within days Conmebol (the South American Confederation) declared that Brazil was its only candidate.

True, Colombia later broke ranks and briefly ran a rival bid, but this was never serious.

Venezuela was investing heavily in stadiums at the time, and Colombia was looking to raise its profile in response to this challenge from its neighbour and rival. The Colombian move achieved its objective when the country was awarded this year's World Youth Cup.

Fifa officially announced Brazil as 2014 hosts in October 2007. There was no surprise or controversy - it merely made official what everyone already knew. At this point Brazil should have had its plans in place, it should have chosen its host cities, presented its stadium projects and identified its infra-structure necessities, but had not. Four and a half years had been wasted.

No host cities had been chosen because, for Teixeira, it was not convenient to do so.
Eighteen cities wanted to stage games but excluding some of them would have had negative political consequences for him, so the decision was handed to Fifa, thus eating up more time.

The list of host cities was finally read out from Switzerland at the end of May 2009, more than six years after it was apparent to all and sundry that Brazil would be staging the tournament.

Anyone with any knowledge of Brazil was aware that such a delay was asking for problems. Throw in time spent on bureaucratic enclaves and political in-fighting and it was clear work would be running behind schedule.

"There are countries which suffer natural disasters and need to reconstruct everything on an emergency basis," commented Brazilian architectural and engineering specialist Jose Roberto Bernasconi last week. "We create our own emergencies without any necessity."

Emergencies have to be paid for. The 2014 show will go ahead on time, but to ensure that it does, public money will have to be thrown at it, and some urban transport projects may well have to be cut or scaled back.

The 2014 World Cup, then, comes with two strong probabilities - one, that the hard-pressed Brazilian tax payer will shell out more than he/she should and two, the return to that tax payer is likely to fall short of what might be expected.

Perhaps we can add a third - that some of the most dazzling football played will come from the Brazil team. The products of football's fierce meritocracy, drawn from diverse backgrounds, Brazil's players will surely combine to produce some moments that make them, in the words of American sociologist Janet Lever "a living register of society's potential".






Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 26, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
Dat Teixeira fella name call up in Jennings book plenty, plenty.....
Title: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: Tallman on April 26, 2011, 05:40:19 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: Coop's on April 26, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail

     Nice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: MEP on April 26, 2011, 07:17:36 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail

     Nice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
Huh???? reall???..............really???!!!!
if yuh eh mad then yuh crazy
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: royal on April 26, 2011, 07:19:22 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail



oh dear
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: elan on April 26, 2011, 08:07:32 PM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


THE EDITOR: It is becoming increasingly difficult not to appreciate Jack Warners performance as he barrels along the PP white waters, emerging from the rapids with renewed vigour after each consecutive bump.

For all his blunders, the man is super performing and his energy seems to feed off the adulation he receives, as the public repeatedly looks to him for addressing matters that do not fall in his purview.

He is benefitting from the experience, and seems more in control of his enthusiasm now than hitherto. His language is more circumspect, and he continues to give loyal service to PM and country.

Collective responsibility appears to have impressed its stamp on him and even in matters where he would have ordinarily pronounced with authoritarian privilege, he now waits for Cabinet accord.

He continues to work pro bono, donating his income to worthy causes. This does not match the profile Jennings has assembled of him.

As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


MF Rahman
via e-mail

     Nice read,keep it up Jack let them keep looking to pull you down.
Huh???? reall???..............really???!!!!
if yuh eh mad then yuh crazy

Is Coop's yuh dealing with.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 27, 2011, 09:40:43 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
Title: Re: Appreciating Jack Warner
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
Appreciating Jack Warner
T&T Newsday


As Jack careers along, disbelief is giving way to appreciation. Not to acknowledge this would be unjust. Our hope is that he stays steady on course and not fall victim to human weakness.


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oh dear

Coop's didn't read that highlighted bit!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on April 27, 2011, 11:26:13 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on April 27, 2011, 11:55:40 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

Yes Coop's horn meh but doh leave meh. Yuh right.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: MEP on April 27, 2011, 12:37:50 PM
the greatest trick the devil ever pulled...........
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: diamondtrim on April 27, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 
Thank u Coops
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on April 28, 2011, 05:54:57 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 28, 2011, 07:01:09 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on April 28, 2011, 10:34:27 AM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.

Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed.  If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.

He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.

Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Deeks on April 28, 2011, 03:04:03 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.

Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed.  If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.

He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.

Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.

Elan,
            I have spoken to Coops on this matter and he do care about the players. He was a coach and has been through the same crap with the admin. But Coops wants everybody involed to come around the table and straighten about all the bad blood among the different parties. While some of us may agree with this, we also have such a strong distrust of jack because of his past dealings with players. Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack. But honestly I don't see that happenning.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on April 28, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
"Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack."

And theres the issue. Maybe leopards do change their spots, but you still can't help mistrusting them. You earn trust and respect, and if Jack wants to be respected and trusted, then he needs to show it. The way to start is to say "OK guys, I was wrong. I made mistakes. I'm sorry."

Then, maybe, the guys here will start to show a glimmer of belief. But if you continue to strut around acting like you're sh*t don't stink, when everyone knows what you done and who you done it to, no one will ever change their opinion.

Coops, I understand you want to see people start afresh, and maybe with someone like Anil that is possible. But Jack has too much bad history to be forgiven easily.

Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: elan on April 28, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
The thing is....Jack does seem to be doing a good job. Whether its for his own benefit or not, he is managing his PR well. For those less informed people, Jack is reaching new heights. The question is: has he truly crossed back from the dark side, or is he still working the angles behind the scenes?

Whatever the situation, the past is not forgotton. A criminal who builds an orphanage is still a criminal, but one with a good PR adviser. 
      What is it you trying to say?allyu just can't give the man credit for nothing,keep bringing up the past and see how far we will reach,as long as the past in the way it will never have a future.I want to see when making jail that's all,he not only your Football boss but your PM too. :devil: :devil: 

If that is the case then why not correct past errors he can correct for the sake of a brighter future like showing that he is willing to treat our footballers fairly and ensure the TTFF shows proper accounts & pays the players what you promised come May 15th as the court has ordered?

Lets wait and see what happens come that date.

Or will it again be a case of him ducking his responsibilities and saying to the media that yesterday was yesterday and today is today?!  ;)
      Nothing Jack do could ever be eradicated by you guys,i've never seen one man so hated by everyone in his own country and still survives,is the treatment of Footballers his only problem?what crime has he commited to be labeled a criminal?all over the world they trying and can't put their finger on one,everybody speculating,is a set of ifs buts maybes ah figure,one set of preys and clapping like you all achieve something,if something is for someone they will get it,don't worry those guys will get their money then we will see where Football goes from here.

Coops Bro,
                     It is very difficult at this stage for some people to seperate jack the football admin. and Jack the politician. And actually this is working in his favour. Because now he is a gov't minister he is "untouchable". My disgust with jack goes back years. It was STRICLTY football. To each his own on his political affiliation. That is the least of my or some of the forumnites worries. For me and quite a few forumnites it is about our football. Our footbal is in the chaotic way because of him. You know the history of this man and the way he dealt with footballers, the ones who tried and who are trying to make a living out of football. Very few local players are making top dollars in footbal playing locally. When a player get called for the national team and play a game or games, he should be compensated justly. In this day and age we hear players and coaches get some or half of their moneys. This man has been in command of the organization too long for this kind of crap to go on. Is just time for someone new.

Alyuh eh realize Coop's don't want to see T&T football succeed.  If T&T create stars, former players like him and other will be quickly forgotten. How can you reminisce when players today are acheicing more than yester-years? Coops has criticized all the players for the state of T&T football and leave JW as the one who has T&T football at heart.

He will come now and say, he don't support JW and he for the footballers, but go back through his posts where there are contentions with JW and the players and see where he stand.

Coop's is another one who eh really care about the players today. Plain talk bad manners.

Elan,
            I have spoken to Coops on this matter and he do care about the players. He was a coach and has been through the same crap with the admin. But Coops wants everybody involed to come around the table and straighten about all the bad blood among the different parties. While some of us may agree with this, we also have such a strong distrust of jack because of his past dealings with players. Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack. But honestly I don't see that happenning.

There are a lot of things I agree with Coop's on and believe he is one of the people that can make a difference in T&T football. But at the same time you have to be honest, Jw in the present is not good for T&T football.

We can consistently finish 3rd in CONCACAF without any massive football program in place. All we need is a few honest men that possess good organizational skill and we can get there consistently. I don't think that JW is necessary to T&T being great/good in CONCACAF. People like LookLoy - Groden Scamps etc. all use JW as a crutch and this inturn cripple our football successes and our players will to give it their all.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on April 28, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
When our 2006 world cup players get their money and the 13 other players who were short-changed last year and Jack and the TTFF says that they are sorry for how they have treated our players in the past then I can entertain possibly forgiving Jack for serious mistakes made with our football in the past!

My beef with Jack is his negative influence on our football! It does not bother me too much what he does in politics or in FIFA provided it does not have a negative effect on our football!

Making false promises to our players, blacklisting them, influencing who is selected as head coach and who the head coach is allowed to pick is where I draw the line!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: MEP on April 28, 2011, 08:59:05 PM
"Coops think we should put aside those feelings for the good of the national team and learn to deal with jack."

And theres the issue. Maybe leopards do change their spots, but you still can't help mistrusting them. You earn trust and respect, and if Jack wants to be respected and trusted, then he needs to show it. The way to start is to say "OK guys, I was wrong. I made mistakes. I'm sorry."

Then, maybe, the guys here will start to show a glimmer of belief. But if you continue to strut around acting like you're sh*t don't stink, when everyone knows what you done and who you done it to, no one will ever change their opinion.

Coops, I understand you want to see people start afresh, and maybe with someone like Anil that is possible. But Jack has too much bad history to be forgiven easily.

Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.
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Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 29, 2011, 02:16:57 AM
Its like you give a kid who shoplifts a second chance, but there ain't no way you'd let a serial paedophile babysit your child, no matter how much good stuff he's done since he'a out of jail.

Football Supporter yuh post reminded me of another post from a fellow forumite a while back.....

Ah think is O'connorg who said it this way (paraphrasing) so if yuh Uncle clothe yuh, feed yuh  and send yuh to school, dat mean yuh must allow him to turn around and bull yuh too???


@ MEP....boy yuh right to laugh....
@ Football Supporter, no DEFINITELY NOT ANIL!!!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on April 29, 2011, 09:09:42 AM
Yep O'Connorg
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 07, 2011, 06:13:27 AM
What happens in CONCACAF, stays in CONCACAF.
Reuters Blogs (blog)
 

Visitors to the Marriot Marquis Hotel in downtown Miami on Tuesday were greeted by a typical conference Welcome Desk in the hotels spacious lobby area. Behind the desk was a banner declaring the 50th Congress of CONCACAF the governing body for football in North and Central America and the Caribbean was gathering, along with FIFA president Sepp Blatter, to review the year, discuss key issues and top of the agenda to decide whether to back Blatter in Junes FIFA elections or to support his opponent, Asian soccer chief Mohamed Bin Hammam.

It was the first time I had seen the logo of the congress. There had been no promotion of the event on the Confederations website, no communiques from CONCACAF inviting the press to the gathering and, somewhat strangely, the three seats at the welcome desk were empty. A rather odd welcome to what was, in world soccer governance, a crucial meeting.

It was a crucial congress not only because of the agenda but because it was the first gathering of CONCACAFs membership since the World Cup vote when, their bid, for the U.S to host in 2022, was defeated, sparking anger and bitterness in the American soccer community.

When FIFA awarded the hosting rights to the 2018 and 2022 World Cups to Russia and Qatar, after a selection process which had been heavily criticised in the media and was subsequently attacked by some of the losing federations, particularly Englands, there was a huge amount of pressure on soccers global governing body to increase its transparency and accountability. The secret voting, the endless lobbying meetings and the impression that financial weight rather than purely the merits of the bids was a key factor, created a mood of frustration and anger amongst fans, especially coming after reports of votes being sold resulting in the suspension of two members of FIFAs executive committee.

There was talk in the British press of the United States, England and Australia, all embarrassed by failure for their World Cup bids, heading a new reform movement to transform FIFA. In the United States, anger at the outcome led one of the countrys best known soccer writers, Sports Illustrateds Grant Wahl, to declare himself as a potential candidate, largely as a platform to rally opinion for reform or revolution. Other internet-based campaigns, such as Change FIFA, sprung up and it was asked whether FIFA had reached its Salt Lake City moment the point where corruption around the Olympics was fully exposed.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter implicitly acknowledged the problems his body faces when he talked recently of following the example of the International Olympic Committee and reforming the voting process by giving all members a say in the selection of World Cups rather than just members of the executive committee.

Many of the attacks on FIFA have missed a crucial point the modus operandi of world soccer is not purely the result of decisions made by Blatter in Zurich. FIFA is a sum of its parts and its decisions reflect a culture of governance that exists at continental, regional and national levels. That includes bodies such as CONCACAF which wields significant power with its 35 votes. The presence of a German television crew, filming what promises to be e a hard-hitting documentary on the FIFA elections, showed the event mattered at least to foreign media.

The congress had initially appeared to be an election campaign showdown between Blatter and Bin Hammam but the day before the event, it was discovered that Bin Hammam had not been able to secure a visa from U.S authorities in time to attend.

Very strange, one congress delegate said to me with a smile. Its quite interesting isnt it? said another. There has been no suggestion from Bin Hammam that there was any foul play involved (and only the most lurid conspiracy theorist could believe U.S. Immigration is working for Sepp Blatter) but it tells you something about the atmosphere inside CONCACAF that some hinted, with those comments, that there might be more than just an administrative problem involved.

I cant tell you what went on inside the CONCACAF congress because, I wasnt allowed in. Originally, the event was to have had a short ceremonial opening session which the media could attend but that decision was reversed 24 hours before the start and the entire congress was closed to journalists. Reporters would get a chance to ask questions at a post-congress press conference and one of the first put to CONCACAF president Jack Warner was precisely about the decision to keep out the media.

Its a private meeting of associations, replied the 68-year-old Trinidadian, who just shortly before had been re-elected, unopposed, unanimously.

But FIFA doesnt consider its congress to be private. As at UEFA in Europe and at the Asian Football Confederation congresses, reporters are invited in, handed the congress report, given access to the financial accounts and allowed to hear any debate or dissent. Why then does CONCACAF want to keep the press out?

Warner is hardly someone who welcomes media inquiries. He was reprimanded by FIFA after reports of his family selling inflated 2006 World Cup tickets through a travel agency they were involved in and Warner has been at the centre of a long running legal battle with the Trinidad and Tobago national team about outstanding payments the players say were promised to them.


At the press conference the main issue was whether CONCACAF had voted, as it has in the past, to support Blatter as president of FIFA. Warner said no decision had been made due to the absence of Bin Hammam. It would be fair play said Warner to wait until members had the chance to hear the Qatari before any vote the members would get that chance in Port of Spain next week, he said.

Blatter described the organization as his base and said he was confident of their support. Indeed, somewhat embarrassingly for Warner, he told the reporters that the CONCACAF president had told him you dont even need to campaign. Warner said that merely reflected the fact that everyone in the region already knew Blatter but the Swiss certainly gave the impression it meant that he had the 35 votes.

When you get the message you dont need to campaign and (are told) to use your time to go somewhere else you cannot be more clear, said Blatter.

But was that really confidence from Blatter or was it a reminder to Warner that he needs to deliver? One can never quite be sure in the world of soccer politics. Was CONCACAF delaying its vote merely out of courtesy to Bin Hammam after his unfortunate administrative problems with a visa? Or was this an opening to the Qatari a chance for him to take Blatters base from him?

The only way to find out was to talk to delegates themselves before they dashed off to their lunch after their two hour congress. Such conversations are almost always off-the-record at these events and in four separate discussions with delegates I was told that support remained strong for Blatter. But it wasnt easy to find people willing to go into any depth about the congress discussions or decisions. During one conversation with a delegate, a high-ranking Central American CONCACAF official stepped close by and gave us a cold stare which resulted in the delegate swiftly ending the conversation. Message received.

Warner had confirmed that CONCACAFs vote at FIFA would, as always, be a block vote. Rather than each member association submitting their individual vote, all would follow the majority line, even if they disagreed with it. Lenin called this method democratic-centralism. I wondered if this was something the United States Soccer Federation was comfortable with and searched out Sunil Gulati, their president. Gulati is usually a media-friendly figure, happy to hold teleconferences with American reporters, always around with a handshake and a chat at national team games, particularly during the failed bid to bring the World Cup back to the States.

But in the CONCACAF environment, where he is also an executive committee member, he is very different I asked him about the block vote and the level of support for Blatter and he replied Youd have to ask Jack about that, I know what we are doing before he hurried into an elevator and was gone.

Ask Jack it could be CONCACAFs motto. Warner controls the organization through the firm support he has built up from the 25 members of the Caribbean Football Union, the island nations which make up a solid majority in the confederation. The United States and Mexico may be the two strongest soccer nations, the richest and the most successful on the field but they have as much say in CONCACAF as the Cayman Islands and Bahamas and listening to the way some of the Caribbean delegates talk it is clear that when it comes to matters of FIFA politics they look for guidance from their leader.

I did learn that CONCACAF representatives will meet again with Blatter in Zurich, shortly before the vote and that the confederations caucus would only decide on its block vote, formally, the day before FIFAs June congress.

But what else did the congress discuss? What opinions were expressed? How much money did the body make and spend last year?

If you want to know any of that, youll have to follow Gulatis advice: Ask Jack.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 08, 2011, 06:31:17 AM
Warner: FIFA elections no popularity contest
T&T Guardian Reports.
Sat, 2011-05-07.


Concacaf strongman Jack Warner has said next months Fifa elections should be decided on the strength of policies and not personality. He was speaking ahead of Mohammed Bin Hammams visit to Trinidad and Tobago on Tuesday to address Concacafs membership. Bim Hammam, the Asian football chief, is challenging the incumbent Sepp Blatter in the June 1 poll in Zurich.

No one in Concacaf has expressed displeasure over Mr Blatters tenure but in the interest of fair play and democracy I cannot deny my membership the opportunity to hear all sides of this campaign, said Warner. An election is not a popularity contest and as the world still grapples with shifting economic realities we must ensure that our sport is in a position to withstand any uncertainty. Warner, who was last week confirmed for a sixth term as Concacaf president after being nominated unopposed, said the developmental policies of both candidates needed to be scrutinised.

One must examine all that is proposed; how do you expand football? How do you continue to touch the lives of those who have been denied the opportunity to witness the beauty and simplicity of this game? Warner, also a powerful Fifa vice-president, pointed out.

Concacaf, the continental governing body for football in North, Central America and the Caribbean, is an important voting bloc in Fifa with 35 votes. Blatter lobbied Concacaf at the Congress in Miami last week but Bin Hammam was unable to attend after failing to secure a United States visa. However, Warner subsequently invited Bin Hammam to present his case in T&T in order to hear both sides. Bin Hammam is expected to make a two-hour presentation to over 80 Concacaf delegates at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. After both presentations are considered, Concacaf are expected to announce who they will back for the Fifa presidency.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 08, 2011, 09:22:59 PM
Warner subsequently invited Bin Hammam to present his case in T&T in order to hear both sides. Bin Hammam is expected to make a two-hour presentation to over 80 Concacaf delegates at the Hyatt Regency Hotel. After both presentations are considered, Concacaf are expected to announce who they will back for the Fifa presidency.

Mamaguyisum at its finest!  8)
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: behind-de-bridge on May 10, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9481461.stm

Hmmm. did he or didn't he!
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 10, 2011, 07:26:12 PM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has reacted angrily to allegations from Lord Triesman in the House of Commons.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12098_6925087,00.html
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 10, 2011, 07:52:57 PM
Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has reacted angrily to allegations from Lord Triesman in the House of Commons.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12098_6925087,00.html

smoke screen , best defense is a good offense
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: davidephraim on May 10, 2011, 08:12:28 PM
Lord Triesman was on BBC last night talking bout how Warner and others were trying to get him to do things the Crown just wouldn't tolerate. Jack Warner wanted 2.5 million Pounds to be funneled thu him for fifa and the Paraguay representative wanted to be made a knight as in knighthood.lol This is some funny but serious shit. Warner's response to this on International TV was.. That is a piece of nonsense.

Priceless.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on May 10, 2011, 11:03:08 PM
good fuh we
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 11, 2011, 04:40:12 AM
I never asked for anythingWarner.
By: Asha Javeed (Guardian).


Jack Warner, Fifa vice-president and T&Ts Works and Transport Minister, has scoffed at corruption allegations made against him by Lord Triesman, the former Football Association and England 2018 chairman.

First of all, I laughed. I laughed like hell, Warner told reporters yesterday. He took a break from a meeting with Mohammed Bin Hamman, president of the Asian Football Confederation, who will rival Fifa president Joseph Sepp Blatter in the presidency election later this year.

Bin Hamman was in Trinidad to share his vision for the game with Concacaf leaders. Lord Triesman told the select committee, looking into Englands failed 2018 football bid, that Warner asked for moneysuggested to be 2.5mto build an education centre in Trinidad with the cash to be channelled through him, and later 500,000 to buy Haitis World Cup TV rights for the earthquake-hit nation, also to go through Warner. Triesman identified Warner and three other Fifa executivesNicolas Leoz, Ricardo Teixeira and Worawi Makudi for their improper and unethical behaviour.

Warner, whos already denied the bribery allegations, was openly dismissive. I never asked anybody for anything. When these guys came here, they offered to help.

I took them to Longdenville to show them a place in Longdenville where they could put playground for the people of Longdenville. I had a function for them at a Government school.

They promised to come back but they never did. Thats all, he said. Warner said the timing of the allegations is curious and he expects that therell be more to come.

He observed that Andrew Jennings, an English journalist whos made Fifa his beat, was expected to appear before the committee in two weeks time and hell come with his bit of garbage to talk about Jack Warner, Fifa and Blatter.

I think that nobody, honestly, of substance could take those guys seriously. At the end of the day, I can hold my head tall, I could stand up and say to the world I never asked for this, he said. He advised committee members that rather than find scapegoats, England should instead look dispassionately why its bid failed.

Bin Hamman, whos vying to be Fifa president, defended the organisation. With allegations, evidence is needed. The evidence is very important.

When you come with allegations, bring the evidence and I think youll be more credible, he said What I think is that Fifa is not corrupted. We are all working within the football arena. We are victims of the prosperity of the game, Hamman told reporters.

Warner found himself at the centre of British rage last year after Fifa awarded the 2018 World Cup to Russia. The Concacaf president had been courted by England Prime Minister David Cameron; Prince William, the second in line to the British throne and football superstar David Beckham.

Warner, one of 22 Fifa executive committee members holding crucial World Cup votes, was accused by sections of the media of promising England the important Concacaf votes but failing to deliver.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 11, 2011, 04:51:59 AM
Warner denies ex-FA chairman's accusations.
T&T Express Reports.


FIFA FAVOURS

Former English Football Association chairman David Triesman has accused FIFA executive committee members Jack Warner, Ricardo Teixeira, Nicolas Leoz and Worawi Makudi of asking for favours in return for their votes for England's 2018 World Cup bid.

Triesman was giving evidence yesterday to a parliamentary enquiry into the reasons why England failed in its bid to secure the finals which were awarded to Russia last December.

MPs involved in the inquiry also revealed the names of two other FIFA Executive Committee members who, it is alleged, were paid US$1.5 million (916,636 pounds) to vote for Qatar's successful 2022 World Cup bid.

Conservative MP Damian Collins said the committee had evidence from the Sunday Times which it would publish that FIFA vice-president Issa Hayatou of Cameroon and Jacques Anouma of the Ivory Coast were paid by Qatar.

Two other executive committee members were banned by FIFA's Ethics Committee last year after a previous Sunday Times investigation into the World Cup bidding process.

The claims are an embarrassment for the game's governing body with a total eight of its 24-strong key decision-making executive committee having now been accused by the British media or its parliamentary representatives of corruption.

Its 75-year-old president Sepp Blatter will stand for a further four-year term at its helm on June 1 in Zurich. He was first elected in 1998. Asian Football Confederation chief Mohamed Bin Hammam is opposing him.

Triesman spoke at the parliamentary enquiry of the "improper and unethical behaviour" by the four men he named.

Giving exact details about the conversations, he said Warner asked for 2.5 million pounds to be "channelled through me" for an education centre in his home country Trinidad and Tobago.

After the Haiti earthquake struck leaving that country devastated, Warner then asked Triesman for 500,000 pounds to buy Haiti World Cup TV rights.

Triesman said Paraguayan Leoz had requested a knighthood in return for his vote, while Teixeira told him "Come and tell me what you have for me."

Thai Makudi wanted control of the television rights for a proposed Thailand vs England friendly.

"We had a number of conversations with Mr Makudi, telephone conversations," Triesman said.

"These were some of the things that were put to me personally, sometimes in the presence of others, which in my view did not represent proper and ethical behaviour on the part of members of the executive committee," he added.

FIFA president Blatter responded to Triesman's comment at a news conference in Zurich.

"I was shocked...but one has to see the evidence," Blatter said.

"There is a new round of information, give us time to digest that and start the investigation by asking for evidence on what has been said.

"I repeat, we must have the evidence and we will react immediately against all those in breach of the ethics code rules."

Collins clarified the allegations against Hayatou and Anouma.

"The Sunday Times submission, and this is to be published by us later, claims that 1.5 million dollars was paid to FIFA executive committee members Issa Hayatou and Jacques Anouma who went on to vote for Qatar 2022," he said, adding that the submission also said that Qatar employed a fixer to arrange deals with African members for their votes."

Mike Lee, who worked as a consultant on Qatar's bid, gave evidence.

"I personally have never witnessed any improper behaviour and have no evidence that the allegations are correct," he said.

The vote to stage the 2018 and 2022 World Cups was mired in controversy, with England at the heart of it.

Triesman was forced to resign from the FA last year after a newspaper sting in which he was taped during a private conversation claiming 2018 rivals Spain and Russia were conspiring to bribe referees at last year's World Cup in South Africa.

A FIFA investigation found no substance to those allegations by Triesman.

FIFA banned Nigerian Amos Adamu and Reynauld Temarii of Tahiti, president of the Oceania Football Confederation, from its executive committee in November over a report in the Sunday Times that they had offered to sell their votes.

When England's bid failed last December, receiving just two out of 22 votes, it sparked bitter recriminations and Roger Burden, the acting FA chairman, stated that he could no longer trust FIFA members and withdrew his candidacy for the job.

(http://media.trinidadexpress.com/images/1305086729658s14.jpg)
TOTALLY FALSE: Minister of Works and Transport Jack Warner shows documents at the sod-turning ceremony to commence work at the Couva Overpass yesterday. Warner denied asking for favours in return for voting for England's 2018 World Cup bid. Photo: DAVE PERSAD
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 11, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
http://www.kaltura.com/index.php/kwidget/wid/1_2a0k2q1w/uiconf_id/1892491
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 12, 2011, 04:58:38 AM
Fifa wants evidence against Warner.
T&T Guardian Reports.


GENEVAFootballs world governing body, Fifa, has asked the English FA to provide evidence four of its executive members, including T&T government minister Jack Warner, solicited favours in exchange for backing Londons 2018 World Cup bid.

The move comes following Lord Triesmans controversial allegations on Tuesday before a parliamentary inquiry into the failed bid, that Fifa executives asked for bribes in return for their votes.

Russia was eventually granted the rights to host 2018 World Cup while England failed to make it past the first round of voting.

Fifa Secretary General Jerome Valcke has today, 11 May 2011, sent a letter to The Football Association Chairman David Bernstein in which he, on behalf of Fifa, requests a complete report from Lord David Triesman (former Chairman of The FA) on the statements that he made yesterday in front of the House of Commons, as well as any and all documentary evidence at his disposal in relation to those statements, Fifa said in a statement yesterday. Warner has already rejected Lord Triesmans claims as nonsense, contending the former chairman of Englands bid committee was trying to resurrect his political career.

Fifa president Sepp Blatter, meanwhile, promised to resolve the crisis before he comes up for re-election on June 1. We have to do it now immediately. We have exactly three weeks to do so, Blatter said in an interview with Qatar-based network Al-Jazeera.

Blatter is seeking a fourth and final four-year term against Qatari challenger Mohamed bin Hammam, who was a central figure in his countrys victoriousand controversialbid to host the 2022 World Cup. Triesman told British lawmakers that four long-standing Fifa officialsWarner, Nicolas Leoz, Ricardo Teixeira and Worawi Makudirequested bribes in the 2018 bidding.

Lawmakers were also told in a submission from The Sunday Times that Qatar paid $1.5 million to two more Fifa officials, Issa Hayatou and Jacques Anouma, in the 2022 contest. Qatar won the vote, beating the United States in the final round. Fifa said it has asked the newspaper for more evidence of information it received from a whistleblower within Qatars bid.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on May 12, 2011, 05:28:55 AM
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 12, 2011, 05:37:02 AM
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.

yea as much as ah does bash Jack. Wrong is wrong and Treisman should have brought this up long time.Why now?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 12, 2011, 06:22:00 AM
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: FF on May 12, 2011, 07:14:16 AM
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.

laughable...

free yourself Coops
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2011, 07:22:30 AM
Some how with all the allegations against FIFA, I get the feeling soon we will see a mass investigation like the one that exposed the IOC.

Here is an article where Texeira was caught, admitted that he misled the courts and yet is still in charge.
 
http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2010/07/12/the-2014-world-cup-in-brazil-or-ricardo-teixeiras-fiefdom/
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: weary1969 on May 12, 2011, 08:17:31 AM
They got prove 4 ticket or leave it and did nada/nutten/a big fat zero. What evidence go prove. My problem wit d Lord fella is if d WC went 2 d Brits w would have neva known. So suck it up and move on. U were played, Beckham was played and my favorite d future King of England was played.

yea as much as ah does bash Jack. Wrong is wrong and Treisman should have brought this up long time.Why now?

ENT is Like Jerlean John crying tears at d COI ind airport scandal. CROCODILE TEARS
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.

I glad England get shaft because they had no right 2 sleep wit d devil at least Panday did get in govt when he did that. What they get?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 12, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
They really say what in the dark doescome to light,all of alyu giving Jack a hard time for not voting for England,these are the things we don't know or will never know,those guys are playing the game at another level,is only we Trinis pressuring we own,all kind of foreign reporters coming home for what?to catch Jack in slackness,and alyu like that,get rid of Jack when the man is just seeking our interest,the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them.Jack is our no one Footballer.

laughable...

free yourself Coops


No on can free themself after Jacukla bite them!  :devil:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on May 13, 2011, 01:16:34 PM
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?

I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.

However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.

Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: royal on May 13, 2011, 08:48:13 PM
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?

I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.

However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.

Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?

He didn't need ah parliamentary enquiry to come out and talk.Wrong is wrong.Now we dunno who lying.It could be sour grapes man or squeeze yuh balls man.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 02:27:50 AM
"the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them" Coops, why do you have to bring colour into this?

I agree Triesman should have reported this, but he admits the reason he didn't was because he felt it would harm the bid. Morally that is wrong, but his job was primarily to win the vote, not solve FIFAs transparency problems. I'm not saying he was right, but I can understand his reasoning. And yes, if England won the bid, this wouldn't have come to light.

However, I think Jack, and many on this site don't understand why this issue is being raised now. This is a parliamentary enquiry called by the government. As I understand it, when you are called to give evidence, you cannot refuse and you cannot lie or withold information. Until now, Triesman has kept quiet. But whether its to save his reputation or because others already knew and so he had to report these instances, we will never know.

Remember, its not just Jack, others have been accused as well. Some people here are taking this personally. But if the allegations are true, shouldn't the perpetrators be revealed and dealt with accordingly?
        I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 14, 2011, 06:04:28 AM
Evidence hard to come by.
ESPN.


The inquiry into Lord Triesman's allegations of World Cup corruption will struggle to find corroboration of the claims against three of the four FIFA members named by the former Football Association chairman.

Senior officials who worked with Triesman on England's 2018 World Cup bid believe only the claims against Jack Warner of Trinidad and Tobago can be backed up by others.

The other allegations made by Triesman in Parliament this week against Thailand's Worawi Makudi, Brazil's Ricardo Terra Teixeira and Paraguay's Nicolas Leoz came as a surprise to those who had worked on the campaign.

The FA has appointed James Dingemans QC to review the Triesman claims and speak to anyone who can back them up, with the deputy High Court judge due to report back by May 27.

Dingemans will also investigate whether Triesman reported any of these allegations to fellow England 2018 board members at the time, and whether this raises any issues of corporate governance over the running of the bid.

Richard Caborn, who was former Prime Minister Gordon Brown's envoy on England's bid, said: "I believe the FA had no alternative but to appoint an independent person to investigate these allegations and I am pleased they have done so.

"It is now incumbent on Lord Triesman to provide all the information on which he has based these allegations, in order to protect the wellbeing of the game in this country and the integrity of the FA."

There will be first-hand evidence of Warner's alleged requests for cash to build an education centre and 500,000 to cover TV rights to show the World Cup in earthquake-hit Haiti.

Premier League chairman Sir Dave Richards has confirmed to ESPNsoccernet he was present at the meeting where Triesman said Warner asked for the education centre, and other officials were aware of the Haiti request.

The other allegations will be less easy to back up. Triesman said Makudi demanded the television rights for a friendly between England and Thailand, but a number of bid officials contacted by the Press Association, under the agreement they would remain anonymous, insisted that was never communicated to them.

Other officials were also present when Triesman met Leoz in Paraguay, but again his claim this week that the South American asked for a knighthood caused surprise to England 2018 bid staff.

There also appears to be no corroboration for his allegation that Teixeira said to him "You come and tell me what you have for me".

Meanwhile, FIFA president Sepp Blatter has predicted he will be re-elected by a two-thirds majority on June 1.

Blatter is standing against Mohamed Bin Hammam and told Swiss newspaper Blick: "South America, Central and North America, Europe, Oceania and a large part of Africa and Asia will continue to support my ideas."
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 14, 2011, 06:06:25 AM
FIFA remains a scandalously run organization.
GRAHAME L. JONES / Los Angeles Times
 

Despite all that has happened on his watch, Sepp Blatter appears set for an easy reelection as president of soccer's governing body.

It would be exceptionally satisfying to state here that FIFA was on its knees and unable to stand up for the count.

Sadly, that count will go ahead, and when it is over June 1 and soccer's latest presidential election has been held, Joseph "Sepp" Blatter very likely will still be the head of the sport's international governing body.

No amount of corruption, it seems, can bring down the 75-year-old Swiss. Snakes might be rare in Switzerland, but snake oil is obviously in plentiful supply, and Blatter is one of its most successful salesmen.

There is only one candidate running against Blatter, but Qatar's Mohamed Bin Hammam, 62, is every bit as unsavory and untrustworthy as Blatter, whose schmoozing and glad-handing not to mention the doling out of huge favors has kept him in office for 13 years and through two reelection campaigns.

The survival trick that Blatter learned from his former boss and predecessor Brazil's autocratic Joao Havelange, who held sway at FIFA headquarters for 24 years is to orchestrate matters in such a way that you are surrounded by yes men.

Dishing out the favors a World Cup here, a few million dollars in "development" funds there keeps everyone in line. In that way, the very people who are supposed to keep the checks and balances instead keep only the checks.

Keep denying that unethical behavior goes on and before long the general public ceases to care. Another scandal? Oh, not to worry, it's just FIFA. That's business as usual at FIFA headquarters in Zurich.

Swiss authorities are about as powerful as the Swiss military, which is to say they are a flock of bleating lambs, and FIFA has carte blanche to do as it likes behind the Swiss borders and Swiss bank accounts.

So Blatter stays in power, even as this week once again has exposed just how rife with ethically dubious behavior his entire organization is.

In October, not long before Russia and Qatar were selected to stage the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, respectively, under enormously suspicious circumstances and at the expense of far-better-qualified England and the U.S., a major scandal broke.

An English newspaper investigation by the Sunday Times revealed the susceptibility of FIFA executive committee members to bribery. Six current or former members were subsequently banned from soccer for one to four years.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 14, 2011, 10:55:52 AM
Coop's,

Watch yuhself. Yuh betta know what time it is homeboy. Time to get off de corruption wagon as people lorsing dey job for corruption or defending it. Give up dis "I-go-martyr-mehself-for-we-boy-Jackula-as he-runnin'-de gravy-dat-I-seek" mentality and get a life and buss' it from dah crowd. Make some new alliances soldyah. Ask Flex if you could join wit' him, Big Mag, Patriot, Tallman and de rest of the talent around and form a new TTFF. If yuh tink yuh too old and "been dey dun dat" den just chill and doh get in people way. Fuhget Scamps, Jackula and dem ass-hole lickers. Dey is a lorse cause and when people feel is safe to betray dem, it go be bad bad  ........................... a real stink fall. Just try and be a Coop's that we can look up to and doh let Jackula destroy yuh legacy, by association. I personally like heroes and I want yuh to stay a hero, but yuh behaviour is seriously jeopardizing this and damaging the currency of your "words of wisdom".

Respect.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 01:06:48 PM
Coop's,

Watch yuhself. Yuh betta know what time it is homeboy. Time to get off de corruption wagon as people lorsing dey job for corruption or defending it. Give up dis "I-go-martyr-mehself-for-we-boy-Jackula-as he-runnin'-de gravy-dat-I-seek" mentality and get a life and buss' it from dah crowd. Make some new alliances soldyah. Ask Flex if you could join wit' him, Big Mag, Patriot, Tallman and de rest of the talent around and form a new TTFF. If yuh tink yuh too old and "been dey dun dat" den just chill and doh get in people way. Fuhget Scamps, Jackula and dem ass-hole lickers. Dey is a lorse cause and when people feel is safe to betray dem, it go be bad bad  ........................... a real stink fall. Just try and be a Coop's that we can look up to and doh let Jackula destroy yuh legacy, by association. I personally like heroes and I want yuh to stay a hero, but yuh behaviour is seriously jeopardizing this and damaging the currency of your "words of wisdom".

Respect.
         This sounds like a threat boy,ah really have to watch my back,this don't seem like the forum for me,i thought they say it's all about entertainment but peeps taking it serious and wondering where all the violence in T&T coming from,if people who are supposed to be educated behaving like this what we expect of who not.Breds i don't know you but i'm sure you know me,if i'm any where i guess i could be attacked and don't who attack me,i wish you all the best with your threats,i was always safe and well protected at home and it continue to be that way because i never had anything to hide.
        I never thought this forum would of come to this although i want to thank Tallman and Flex for a job well done.     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: dreamer on May 14, 2011, 03:22:59 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
       Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on May 14, 2011, 05:05:38 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
       Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.     

Coop's de man didn't threaten yuh... he trying to tell yuh that yuh putting yuh legacy at risk.  "Watch yuhself" means "careful"... yuh jeopardizing yuh good name.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 05:27:29 PM
Let me see. Where's the prob? Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for. Me eh see no physical threat.  :rotfl:
Anyhow, doh geh distracted. Best to stick to the values theme.
Niceness  :beermug:

 
       Watch yuhself means watch what you stand for?i look like i'm stupid?i born and grow up in Trinidad,right now man getting kill for less than that,if you eh see no physical threat fine,laugh and enjoy yourself,i eh go get distracted for sure because i realize how serious you are,the kind of person i am i never thought the day would come when someone would threaten me,especially in my old days,keep it up big man i wish you the best of luck because nothing going to prevent me from enjoying the little life i have left.     

Coop's de man didn't threaten yuh... he trying to tell yuh that yuh putting yuh legacy at risk.  "Watch yuhself" means "careful"... yuh jeopardizing yuh good name.
       For some time now i realize i'm up against a little syndicate,anyone i respond or talk too it offends everybody,by now you all should realize i represent and speak for myself,i have no supporting cast,i does just try to change the tone of the topics that goes on here,i have nothing to benefit or gain from anything that goes on here,what i had to gain was gained already,alyu getting on as though i fighting with alyu,i never threaten or abuse anyone here but anything i say i'm attacked for no reason at all,i don't know any of you on here i met Flex and it was the best experience i had (what a guy) but i must say you all letting him down,i told you all already don't take me on,i can't do anything for you all,i'm old school and will stay old school because that's what i know,all my friends are the same way so continue with all the stupid talk alyu carrying with,if you notice we in control. 
            :beermug: Cheers my dear Friends
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on May 14, 2011, 05:34:23 PM

       For some time now i realize i'm up against a little syndicate,anyone i respond or talk too it offends everybody,by now you all should realize i represent and speak for myself,i have no supporting cast,i does just try to change the tone of the topics that goes on here,i have nothing to benefit or gain from anything that goes on here,what i had to gain was gained already,alyu getting on as though i fighting with alyu,i never threaten or abuse anyone here but anything i say i'm attacked for no reason at all,i don't know any of you on here i met Flex and it was the best experience i had (what a guy) but i must say you all letting him down,i told you all already don't take me on,i can't do anything for you all,i'm old school and will stay old school because that's what i know,all my friends are the same way so continue with all the stupid talk alyu carrying with,if you notice we in control. 
            :beermug: Cheers my dear Friends

You have a real active imagination fella... I probably offend 10x as many people here with my blunt talk, compared to you.  I not part of no "syndicate" and I not defending or taking offense fuh anybody.  I comment because I can't believe that a man of your stature (being on the inside and seeing for yourself) would still defend Jack.  I not trying to change yuh "tone" or nutten like dat.  This conspiracy yuh talking about... I can't help yuh with that.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 06:52:37 PM
Bakes,look buddy,you and i had our little ups and downs on this forum at one time,the bottom line was that i was taking things too serious and should relax myself a bit this is all about entertainment,what's happening is people want to be serious when they want and turn things into a joke when ever it suits them,it's a public forum and people entitled to their own opinions.
Everybody on here have me down as Jack boy just because i support some of his views/ideas/what ever he does,let me tell you all something,the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini,i support the TTFF because it has done a lot for me and still continues to do a lot for me,you all will never know the kind of respect we  get out here because of Jack,you will never know if you stay in T&T it's the only place he gets no respect,every and any Footballer weather they like him or not can tell of the help they got from him at one time or the other,it's not all bad guys sometimes we can give credit where credit is due.
You feel i studied Jack when i played Football?i played Football because i loved the game,the man i used to study was my father because he did not like me playing Football,he was all about books but i was determined, sports was a comfort to me and Football was what i did best,the rest is history.
I'm on this forum sometime now and have seem a lot of good guys leave without any kind of notice and always wondered why,i think is time.     
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Bakes on May 14, 2011, 07:21:19 PM
Bakes,look buddy,you and i had our little ups and downs on this forum at one time,the bottom line was that i was taking things too serious and should relax myself a bit this is all about entertainment,what's happening is people want to be serious when they want and turn things into a joke when ever it suits them,it's a public forum and people entitled to their own opinions.
Everybody on here have me down as Jack boy just because i support some of his views/ideas/what ever he does,let me tell you all something,the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini,i support the TTFF because it has done a lot for me and still continues to do a lot for me,you all will never know the kind of respect we  get out here because of Jack,you will never know if you stay in T&T it's the only place he gets no respect,every and any Footballer weather they like him or not can tell of the help they got from him at one time or the other,it's not all bad guys sometimes we can give credit where credit is due.
You feel i studied Jack when i played Football?i played Football because i loved the game,the man i used to study was my father because he did not like me playing Football,he was all about books but i was determined, sports was a comfort to me and Football was what i did best,the rest is history.
I'm on this forum sometime now and have seem a lot of good guys leave without any kind of notice and always wondered why,i think is time.     

It is a public forum and you free to comment as you like. 

I disagree with you that we get respect around the world because of Jack... if anything Jack brings disrepute to the nation. 

Also contrary to what you state, I think it's only IN Trinidad that Jack gets any respect.  The rest of the world just tolerate him b/c they know they need to kiss his ass to get what they need from FIFA.

I also agree that with Jack it's not all bad... he has done some good.  However, whatever good seems to be negated by his greed, vindictiveness and corruption.

I not here to fight you down on yuh opinion, but what gets me is the delight you seem to take in taunting those who oppose him, especially those who oppose him here.  But as yuh say... maybe is all juss kicks.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on May 14, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 14, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 15, 2011, 09:42:54 AM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Socapro on May 15, 2011, 11:41:20 AM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   

Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.

Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are trying to expose to help bring about change in how FIFA operates.
Title: Re: The Jack Warner Thread.
Post by: Coop's on May 15, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
Coops, its probably your choice of words that upsets people, and unfortunately some of the posts don't make sense.
Like saying "the only thing they could have against Jack is he black,from a small country and he smarter than all of them"
Not only is that statement inflamatory, its also incorrect. You know Jack was removed from TTFF/TTFA for the overselling of tickets and was fined by FIFA of illegally selling 2006 tickets through SimPaul. You also know many of the allegations against, which may not all be true, but as they say, theres no smoke without fire.
Like saying "I like how alyu does sympathise with all them foreign big boys and continue to pressure your own" when if you read the post was also incorrect. There was no sympathy with "them foreign big boys", but merely the belief that those accusations be investigated.
Like saying "the only reason i support Jack is because he is Trini". Thats just damn crazy. Abu Bakr was a Trini, so did you take a gun to the Red House in 1990? Jack being a Trini does not mean you can allow him to get away with corruption etc. Certainly, as someone who admires him, its useful to hear a different perspective. But automatic gainsay is not perspective. Stop harping on about Jack did this and Jack did that. It doesn't matter if he gave his last pair of shoes to a vagrant on Independence Square. What matters is he was accused of breaking FIFA rules. Give us your view on that, not a list of Warners fables.
And finally, in UK, Jack is hated. When people mention football and Trinidad, they think corruption. Jack is helping to paint T&T as a 3rd world fiefdom where Jack reigns supreme. I also know that many football people in USA can't wait to see the back of him.
As others have stated, as well as myself, Jack has achieved good things for T&T and for football in general. He is a superb networker and works very hard and very long hours. But he can't seem to keep himself clear of controversy. And he doesn't keep track of what he's doing.
After the judge found for the players, Jack said all that was behind him and nothing to do with him. Last week, Jack said on TV that it was his fault it had not been resolved.
All the time he keeps talking without thinking first, he will continue to court controversy.
And Coops, much respect, but all the time you unreservedly back the man, you will get criticised too.

 :thumbsup:
        I guess that justifies all the threats and hate i'm getting,i have no problem with criticism because no one is perfect but why the threats because of a stance someone takes,i don't even criticise you guys,i just say what feel if you all want to run with it fine,the more you criticise me is the more shyt i have to talk.T&T is the home of old talk and mamagism so you all can read into what i say how you want.
         What beats me you don't hear the English or the Americans beating up on each other don't matter how much shyt they do,they will be glad to get rid of Jack because he in their way,let them get the position he has and you all will see how prosperous T&T Football will become.   

Coops, no one here has threatened or hates you! We just dont agree with most of the flaky arguments you have been regularly posting in defence of Jack. In fact as bad as Jack might be for T&T football, no one here has threatened him either but he sure does not encourage praise from us from the way he regularly threatens & mistreats our players with blacklists etc in return for them standing up for what they believe is unfair treatment after playing for the TTFF.

Also you are personalising the issue to Jack! The English FA dont have a personal beef with Jack, they have a beef with FIFA as a whole and how it operates. Jack stands out as one of the FIFA officials who is regularly engrossed in corruption issues but hes not the only one they are tryin