That sound wrong :-\ no offense intended but to me it does.Agreed. Talk about having a chip on your shoulder. By the way, Soca is far more representative of everyone in T&T. African, Indian, Chinese and Syrian have all sang soca. I have only seen one group singing chutney.
Its not just africans that listen to soca. a Nick name has nothing to do with race, unless it was called the NEGRO warriors ::). Let get back to talking about FOOTBALL.lol
so what go happen to ex-tempo ???:rotfl: :rotfl:
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
That guy is a bit closed minded, he needs to use his peripherals. He starts off "On a point of intellectual curiosity" oh please! He just wants to stir up some sort of race issue when it's absolutely uncalled for. He should have had some of his Indian and non Indian friends proof-read his contribution before he submitted it.
btw.. I like morvantman's suggestion moreso what go happen to ex-tempo ???:rotfl: :rotfl:
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
That guy is a bit closed minded, he needs to use his peripherals. He starts off "On a point of intellectual curiosity" oh please! He just wants to stir up some sort of race issue when it's absolutely uncalled for. He should have had some of his Indian and non Indian friends proof-read his contribution before he submitted it.
btw.. I like morvantman's suggestion moreso what go happen to ex-tempo ???:rotfl: :rotfl:
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
I eh know bout the close minded claim ... if he was close minded he would not be asking questions??? soca is trini and trini is soca, plain and simple..that would be my response to his letter...
BTW..chutney listeners, is chutney something invented in TnT?
But to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
That guy is a bit closed minded, he needs to use his peripherals. He starts off "On a point of intellectual curiosity" oh please! He just wants to stir up some sort of race issue when it's absolutely uncalled for. He should have had some of his Indian and non Indian friends proof-read his contribution before he submitted it.
btw.. I like morvantman's suggestion moreso what go happen to ex-tempo ???:rotfl: :rotfl:
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
I eh know bout the close minded claim ... if he was close minded he would not be asking questions??? soca is trini and trini is soca, plain and simple..that would be my response to his letter...
BTW..chutney listeners, is chutney something invented in TnT?
he close minded no assQuoteBut to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
no that would american.. where you can't have a mind of your own, nor have questions... my bad .. he have ah indian sounding name so you have to jump on he chest... we know you love your indians :o
That guy is a bit closed minded, he needs to use his peripherals. He starts off "On a point of intellectual curiosity" oh please! He just wants to stir up some sort of race issue when it's absolutely uncalled for. He should have had some of his Indian and non Indian friends proof-read his contribution before he submitted it.
btw.. I like morvantman's suggestion moreso what go happen to ex-tempo ???:rotfl: :rotfl:
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
I eh know bout the close minded claim ... if he was close minded he would not be asking questions??? soca is trini and trini is soca, plain and simple..that would be my response to his letter...
BTW..chutney listeners, is chutney something invented in TnT?
he close minded no assQuoteBut to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
no that would american.. where you can't have a mind of your own, nor have questions... my bad .. he have ah indian sounding name so you have to jump on he chest... we know you love your indians :o
no that would american.. where you can't have a mind of your own, nor have questions... my bad .. he have ah indian sounding name so you have to jump on he chest... we know you love your indians :o
Allyuh men starting early today boy.
no that would american.. where you can't have a mind of your own, nor have questions... my bad .. he have ah indian sounding name so you have to jump on he chest... we know you love your indians :o
Allyuh men starting early today boy.
lack of football on the tv have meh tisic this am... ah feel ah have to drive dong toronto for some double to keep me busy. I'll grab some Wendys for TT, since we know he eh touching no indian food. he close minded like dat.
Thanks truetrini. Jumbie, just because someone asks questions doesn't make them open-minded. He seems to enjoy the bliss of his ignorance. He asks questions to incite a reaction out of other close minded ppl, not to educate and share positive vibes.The race thing does not matter to me one bit.
Yeah it real shitty that they don't show the FA Cup on the free channel.
But don't worry this is wild card weekend, have some good games this evening.
Yeah it real shitty that they don't show the FA Cup on the free channel.
But don't worry this is wild card weekend, have some good games this evening.
Ah feel TT is a Redskins fan.
no that would american.. where you can't have a mind of your own, nor have questions... my bad .. he have ah indian sounding name so you have to jump on he chest... we know you love your indians :o
Allyuh men starting early today boy.
lack of football on the tv have meh tisic this am... ah feel ah have to drive dong toronto for some double to keep me busy. I'll grab some Wendys for TT, since we know he eh touching no indian food. he close minded like dat.
me eh know if yuh serious eh..but if you are.......let me know so ah could say..something.
Why not Soca-Chutney Warriors?Lawd this ting getin out a hand.. next ting yu know de chinee man and dem spanish and dem go start this sh*t too.... help mi out people ley we fix this before thing really get out a hand.. Here is de new name for de team....
On a point of intellectual curiosity, why not Soca-Chutney Warriors instead of "Soca Warriors"?
"Here every creed and race finds an equal place." Am I correct? It does not matter that there are no Indians on the national football team: that is quite irrelevant. That is so because there no Indians skilfully worthy of playing football at this level and by extension being able to make the World Cup squad. But to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
How would the USA name their team and sell it to the world under similar circumstances? "Rock Warriors?" "Hip Hop Warriors?" "Jazz Warriors?" "Pop Warriors?" Or would they find an all-inclusive name which expresses their diversity of its white, black, Asian, Hispanic population?
In South Africa, there has been something called "affirmative action" which, simply put, was designed to give blacks their rightful position/place in the society. Hence, the rise of Black fast bowler Ntini and others on the cricket team, thereby transforming an exclusively white team into something more akin to the real South Africa.
It is quite the opposite with cricket in T&T: there are more Indians on the national team at the moment and even the captain Daren Ganga is Indian. Are we to call them "Chutney Cricketers"? Even the WI cricket team are led by two Indians Shiv Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan. Chutney cricketers?
Anil Mahabir
Cunupia
Trinidad Express Newspapers.
Yeah it real shitty that they don't show the FA Cup on the free channel.
But don't worry this is wild card weekend, have some good games this evening.
Ah feel TT is a Redskins fan.
I hate de redstinks, and I doh like dat game.
de man who calling me american is ah big gymnastics fan, loves ice skating and ice hockey,,,does back de canadian women's national team, and doh miss he NFL fantasy league at all.
so dere yuh have de irony ah he shit statement.
That is a pure racial comment. People who see race in everything are generally racial themselves because they are bringing their own perception to the issue. Soca is a trini thing. And yuh know when the team was ketching dey ass with one point.Nobody had a problem with de name but now we going Germany and every Tom, Dick and Harrysingh have something to say.
On a point of intellectual curiosity, why not Soca-Chutney Warriors instead of "Soca Warriors"?to my intellectually curious, yet ignorant friend.....
"Here every creed and race finds an equal place." Am I correct? It does not matter that there are no Indians on the national football team: that is quite irrelevant. That is so because there no Indians skilfully worthy of playing football at this level and by extension being able to make the World Cup squad. But to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
Why not Soca-Chutney Warriors?
On a point of intellectual curiosity, why not Soca-Chutney Warriors instead of "Soca Warriors"?
"Here every creed and race finds an equal place." Am I correct? It does not matter that there are no Indians on the national football team: that is quite irrelevant. That is so because there no Indians skilfully worthy of playing football at this level and by extension being able to make the World Cup squad. But to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
How would the USA name their team and sell it to the world under similar circumstances? "Rock Warriors?" "Hip Hop Warriors?" "Jazz Warriors?" "Pop Warriors?" Or would they find an all-inclusive name which expresses their diversity of its white, black, Asian, Hispanic population?
In South Africa, there has been something called "affirmative action" which, simply put, was designed to give blacks their rightful position/place in the society. Hence, the rise of Black fast bowler Ntini and others on the cricket team, thereby transforming an exclusively white team into something more akin to the real South Africa.
It is quite the opposite with cricket in T&T: there are more Indians on the national team at the moment and even the captain Daren Ganga is Indian. Are we to call them "Chutney Cricketers"? Even the WI cricket team are led by two Indians Shiv Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan. Chutney cricketers?
Anil Mahabir
Cunupia
Trinidad Express Newspapers.
alright then...let's say supposedly T&T (after we leave the West Indies) cricket team qualify for the cricket World Cup and they only had East Indians and lets say some of the other minorities..with no players of African decent.
what exactly would some of you all say if someone like Selwyn Cudjoe or Umbala Joseph made similar comments bout not calling the team "Soca Cricketers"?
Soca chutney warriors...please! Everything that put Trinidad on the world stage has been done by people of Afrikan descent. The origins of carnival is based upon Afrikan struggle for liberation. The steel drum was made by people of Afrikan descent. Alot of people in foreign and in Trinidad feel that all races in Trinidad developed carnival and the steel drum as a collective. But that is not true. Carnival and the steel drum originated because of the oppression experienced by Afrikans in Trinidad.
To call the team soca chutney warriors is a punk off to the Afri-Trinidadian. Soca already emphasizes Trinidad. So soca chutney would only emphasize indo-trinidadians.
Qualification for the world cup is a Trinidad accomplishment , but most of all it is a Afri-Trinidadian or Afri-Caribbean accomplishment ! If anything the Afrikan presence of the team should be emphasized because the whole team is of Afrikan descent (with the exception of one).
I have love for all humans, but to suggest that the team should be called soca chutney warriors is an example of bootlegging. For people who feel that this is racists, this is the truth. Check your history!
Soca chutney warriors...please! Everything that put Trinidad on the world stage has been done by people of Afrikan descent. The origins of carnival is based upon Afrikan struggle for liberation. The steel drum was made by people of Afrikan descent. Alot of people in foreign and in Trinidad feel that all races in Trinidad developed carnival and the steel drum as a collective. But that is not true. Carnival and the steel drum originated because of the oppression experienced by Afrikans in Trinidad.prof, dis post ain't no better dan wha anil write...yuh still tryin tuh hold brief for a particular race, instead ah focusin on nationality. nobody will discount what people of either race have done to contribute to the nation, but that is just not the point!
To call the team soca chutney warriors is a punk off to the Afri-Trinidadian. Soca already emphasizes Trinidad. So soca chutney would only emphasize indo-trinidadians.
Qualification for the world cup is a Trinidad accomplishment , but most of all it is a Afri-Trinidadian or Afri-Caribbean accomplishment ! If anything the Afrikan presence of the team should be emphasized because the whole team is of Afrikan descent (with the exception of one).
I have love for all humans, but to suggest that the team should be called soca chutney warriors is an example of bootlegging. For people who feel that this is racists, this is the truth. Check your history!
Soca chutney warriors...please! Everything that put Trinidad on the world stage has been done by people of Afrikan descent. The origins of carnival is based upon Afrikan struggle for liberation. The steel drum was made by people of Afrikan descent. Alot of people in foreign and in Trinidad feel that all races in Trinidad developed carnival and the steel drum as a collective. But that is not true. Carnival and the steel drum originated because of the oppression experienced by Afrikans in Trinidad.
To call the team soca chutney warriors is a punk off to the Afri-Trinidadian. Soca already emphasizes Trinidad. So soca chutney would only emphasize indo-trinidadians.
Qualification for the world cup is a Trinidad accomplishment , but most of all it is a Afri-Trinidadian or Afri-Caribbean accomplishment ! If anything the Afrikan presence of the team should be emphasized because the whole team is of Afrikan descent (with the exception of one).
I have love for all humans, but to suggest that the team should be called soca chutney warriors is an example of bootlegging. For people who feel that this is racists, this is the truth. Check your history!
Jit Samaroo tell meh tuh tell yuh hello.
Jit Samaroo tell meh tuh tell yuh hello.
yeah..tell then bout the fella who discover rabies too
i feel yoiu is a Professor of Foot & Mouth yes lol
I was just saying the things that has made Trinidad known on the world stage, whether its sports( Hasley, Ato, Lara, Yorke, etc), arts (Carnival, Soca, Calypso, Steel drum) or scholarship ( CLR James, Tony Martin, Dr Nantambu, Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Ture, Eric Williams etc) have been accomplishments by Afri-Trinidadians.
I was just saying the things that has made Trinidad known on the world stage, whether its sports( Hasley, Ato, Lara, Yorke, etc), arts (Carnival, Soca, Calypso, Steel drum) or scholarship ( CLR James, Tony Martin, Dr Nantambu, Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Ture, Eric Williams etc) have been accomplishments by Afri-Trinidadians.
Eric Williams was an Afri-Trinidadian? Yuh learn something new everyday yes.
I was just saying the things that has made Trinidad known on the world stage, whether its sports( Hasley, Ato, Lara, Yorke, etc), arts (Carnival, Soca, Calypso, Steel drum) or scholarship ( CLR James, Tony Martin, Dr Nantambu, Stokely Carmichael aka Kwame Ture, Eric Williams etc) have been accomplishments by Afri-Trinidadians.
Eric Williams was an Afri-Trinidadian? Yuh learn something new everyday yes.
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Eric Williams was an Afri-Trinidadian? Yuh learn something new everyday yes.
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so was he afro-trini den?
what is yuh point?Quote
He was not! But we could debate that on another site. This forum is about football.
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well he look it uh me..ah suppose he was ah dougla ent?
french creole? mixed? Eric Eustace Williams? Massa day done Eric we talking about? De same man who teach History at Howard?
De Founder ah de PNM?
If yuh say so breds.
french creole? mixed? Eric Eustace Williams? Massa day done Eric we talking about? De same man who teach History at Howard?
De Founder ah de PNM?
If yuh say so breds.
de doc was so intelligent, dat up to this day he have people thinking he was African. Because he said 'Masa day done' that make him African? That phrase pertained to all lazy, lackadaisical Trinibagonians and not just those of African descent. Go and research his family history and tell me which one of his parents were of 'African descent'.
french creole? mixed? Eric Eustace Williams? Massa day done Eric we talking about? De same man who teach History at Howard?
De Founder ah de PNM?
If yuh say so breds.
de doc was so intelligent, dat up to this day he have people thinking he was African. Because he said 'Masa day done' that make him African? That phrase pertained to all lazy, lackadaisical Trinibagonians and not just those of African descent. Go and research his family history and tell me which one of his parents were of 'African descent'.
allyuh makin we sound just like dem blasted americans.italian american this,native american that,african american.way yuh born dat is wuh yuh is.
allyuh makin we sound just like dem blasted americans.italian american this,native american that,african american.way yuh born dat is wuh yuh is.
french creole? mixed? Eric Eustace Williams? Massa day done Eric we talking about? De same man who teach History at Howard?
De Founder ah de PNM?
If yuh say so breds.
de doc was so intelligent, dat up to this day he have people thinking he was African. Because he said 'Masa day done' that make him African? That phrase pertained to all lazy, lackadaisical Trinibagonians and not just those of African descent. Go and research his family history and tell me which one of his parents were of 'African descent'.
please tell us yuh jes kicksin'...by anybody in the world's standard... well maybe not yours... Eric Williams was an African Trinidadian. He was also the quintessential politician and he knew how to manipulate race politics for the benefit of the PNM but doh geh tie up Eric was African Trini. French creole and all dem ting is irrelevant, all ah we mixed up with something ;D
TT doh debate wit a man spelling Africa like Afrika like he is a white South African. :o :D
french creole? mixed? Eric Eustace Williams? Massa day done Eric we talking about? De same man who teach History at Howard?
De Founder ah de PNM?
If yuh say so breds.
de doc was so intelligent, dat up to this day he have people thinking he was African. Because he said 'Masa day done' that make him African? That phrase pertained to all lazy, lackadaisical Trinibagonians and not just those of African descent. Go and research his family history and tell me which one of his parents were of 'African descent'.
please tell us yuh jes kicksin'...by anybody in the world's standard... well maybe not yours... Eric Williams was an African Trinidadian. He was also the quintessential politician and he knew how to manipulate race politics for the benefit of the PNM but doh geh tie up Eric was African Trini. French creole and all dem ting is irrelevant, all ah we mixed up with something ;D
Read this 'Massa day done' lecture by de doc in 1961 and tell where it says that HE is African? http://fulltext10.fcla.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=author;c=eew;xg=1;rgn=work;sort=author;view=toc;cc=eew;start=1;size=25;subview=fullcitation;idno=UF00001620;node=UF00001620%3A1
Becuase de man was brown and wasn't called Harrylal, everybody saying de man was African. De man was a person full stop. Being the founder of the PNM does not make him African either. As many Indo-Trinidadians co-founded that party Kamal Mohammed etc.
Anyway if you guys want to call him African..fix up.
As for Felziano, I guess you dont know the history of Trinidad carnival or the origins of the steel drum.
yeah and i is port of spain general hospital.meh middle name is ward 4allyuh makin we sound just like dem blasted americans.italian american this,native american that,african american.way yuh born dat is wuh yuh is.
so am i a morvant?
feliziano yuh didn have mousse or a lil gel self.As for Felziano, I guess you dont know the history of Trinidad carnival or the origins of the steel drum.
how could u say that?lol..boy me ent give a rats ass bout carnival, steelpan or chutney..me ent care who vex.
i learn enough basics in school bout carnival and slavery..if ah wanted to know more..maybe i woulda become a profesor or something.
also i seem to remember Eric williams mother was part east indian or something so from my primary school days..i clearly remember he mother used to put coconut oil in his hair and put a path in it..tell me if that not true then..oh and he went QRC too lol
eric was not ah dougla! de man used to refer to indians as ignorant...steups.
read this.
http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Biography/bio_EEWilliamsbyRohlehr.html
despite what anyone might pretend,,Eric wanted to build T&T upon a stricly Afro_trinidadian construct!
Plain and Simple.
Ask VB what he grand father had to endure under Eric Williams.
by the way,,,read the entire speech, He was responding to criticsms made by the DLP!
Please read the entire speech and see who massa was in tolatality...according to Eric!
Please do!
I don't think prof made any error in using a k in Afrika but he might explain that himself later on.
What TT is saying about Williams is true. How you yourself choose to identify yourself is a big part of who you are.
Now if Birchie say he is a Afro-Trini that might be a stretch ;D
Kicker.....a good bit of people call peleau creole food and not just trini food so it goes both ways.
You are right people of indian descent are still searching for inclusion in the national identity.....perhaps that is natural considering history.
There is little benefit holding on to ethnic identities while in T&T. Perhaps when moving abroad it helps connect with networks but within the country it disempowers the people. We young and growing so hopefully things move in the right direction and we think country first. Funny enough I think alot of ethnicities outside of the majority ethnicities have adopted this.
so if ah rub de salt butta on meh tolee ah could tell meh wife she bullin with ah creole.I don't think prof made any error in using a k in Afrika but he might explain that himself later on.
What TT is saying about Williams is true. How you yourself choose to identify yourself is a big part of who you are.
Now if Birchie say he is a Afro-Trini that might be a stretch ;D
Kicker.....a good bit of people call peleau creole food and not just trini food so it goes both ways.
You are right people of indian descent are still searching for inclusion in the national identity.....perhaps that is natural considering history.
There is little benefit holding on to ethnic identities while in T&T. Perhaps when moving abroad it helps connect with networks but within the country it disempowers the people. We young and growing so hopefully things move in the right direction and we think country first. Funny enough I think alot of ethnicities outside of the majority ethnicities have adopted this.
palau only turn creole when yuh add the golden ray ;D
so if ah rub de salt butta on meh tolee ah could tell meh wife she bullin with ah creole.
so if ah rub de salt butta on meh tolee ah could tell meh wife she bullin with ah creole.
Also about Pelau...
I remember I was liming an indian thing once, fresh off the boat from India, and I mention Pelau. She recognize the word and asked what it was. Apparently they have a rice and peas dish in India also that they call pelau so it might not be as Afro-trinias we think.
Which just proves the point that Trini things are Trini things full stop. Delineating Afro-trini from Indo-trini is pointless because it is hundreds of years since we see Africa or India.
This thread start off bad and end up worse.
Football prof you have to be a kind of dunce to be pushing a head about Afro-trinis being the only ones to put TnT on the map. I will not even bother to call names because it is not a competition, we are all Trinis.
Soca warriors is not the name becaus eof the African influence or whatever shit you thinking about it is because it is Trini. Your argument is jsut as flawed as the Anil man.
Also about Pelau...
I remember I was liming an indian thing once, fresh off the boat from India, and I mention Pelau. She recognize the word and asked what it was. Apparently they have a rice and peas dish in India also that they call pelau so it might not be as Afro-trinias we think.
Which just proves the point that Trini things are Trini things full stop. Delineating Afro-trini from Indo-trini is pointless because it is hundreds of years since we see Africa or India.
Soca Curry United Warriors??? ;D ;D:rotfl: ah like dat name...vibes it up!!!
VB
well forgive me for not knowing meh languages.
but since when "Afrika" is a noun, verb or whatever you want to call it in English?
AfriKa is German for Africa.
yuh sure yuh ent get yuh spelling wrong and was trying to spell 'Afrikaan"?
which by the way was a Dutch/German dialect..i hope yuh knew that lol
from what i deduce there..u saying that only the major accomplishments done by Trinidadians are by the black folks and that whatever an east indian or chinee did isnt worthy enough?
maybe is cause the black decendants have more muscle tone from running from lions and tigers all through their evolution..and are therefore more atlethic.
whereas all other people just used 'walk' away from elephants or other non-dangerous threats..maybe their brain developed better from being more observant in their surroundings..hence now they good at medicine and literature..oh and cricket lol.
if you could talk crap..i could do just as well :beermug:
yeah and i is port of spain general hospital.meh middle name is ward 4allyuh makin we sound just like dem blasted americans.italian american this,native american that,african american.way yuh born dat is wuh yuh is.so am i a morvant?
so if ah rub de salt butta on meh tolee ah could tell meh wife she bullin with ah creole.not sure about that, but she will definitely taste the "rich creole flavour" ;DQuote
Tell dem brother tell dem..Afikaans is what dem Boers and dem dutch bastards use to refer tuh deyself. De inventors ah arpatheidBreds the country where you reside had apartheid long before SA, and I do think they were dutch.
In todays Sunday Guardian on the back page promoter Randy Glasgow wants a name change as well.
He said the TT teams sobriquet is incomplete. A more socially correct one should be the Soca Chutney Warriors
He justified his suggestion by saying"If we want to sell our selves to the world we should not just sell half" noting that chutney is indigenous to these shores.
Now yuh see I find this setta political correctness and socially correct shit we getting from the Americans have to stop. We must stop following fashion and labelling people and things.
This shit start up about 6 years ago when the term Indo and Afro Trinidadian start popping up and being used by our various politicial leaders. They are the ones who promote this kinda thing.
Now yuh ever thought that Jack had some infinite wisdom and forsight when he dropped the Soca from the warriors a few months ago. Knowing some kinda comess like this woulda crop up.
I find people does just like to jump on the bandwaggon success of this struggling football side and this WC qualification instead of a uplifiting thing to the country only causin a setta of chupid talk and negativity.
Why the Chutney backers didnt want they name in this thing in the earlies Why didnt the Chutney singers put out songs for the Warriors early on in the campaign.
I may be wrong and I stand corrected but Time for Germany by Nigel Fabien was the first tune for the Warriors, then another gentleman used to sing a tune....we going for Goal..... before each game in the oval and stadium on the track. Then came Bungi and Maximus around the same time.
All the rest is waggonist entertainers who come onboard after we beat Mexico.
It is wrong to demand that the Indo-trinidadian make a deliberate effort to abandon his character in the interests of racial reconciliation.
Just as a truly civilized individual is one who has achieved the balance involved in being true to himself with no detriment to the interests of his neighbour, so as a society we shall have attained to a rare degree of civilization when the rich diversity of our racial and cultural characteristics implies no conflict with the fact of our being Trini.
Felziano... I know you just jealous. There is no proof of what you are saying. But there is more than enough proof of what i am saying. This is nothing to be angry about. You know and every person from the caribbean know that black folks put Trinidad on the map.
Thanks for that list VB..ah was now making up one for Selwyn Cudjoe dey lolFelziano... I know you just jealous. There is no proof of what you are saying. But there is more than enough proof of what i am saying. This is nothing to be angry about. You know and every person from the caribbean know that black folks put Trinidad on the map.
Boy u really make an ass out of yourself:
The Valdez brothers
The Price Brothers
Bovell
Naipaul
Sonny Ramadhin
Puss Achong
Willi Rodriguez
Charlie Davis
Lee Heung
Raul Garib
Minshall
Joey Carew
Stollmyer
Dinesh Ramdhin
Ames
Maria Nunes
Lock Jack (sp)
The Samaroos
S. M. Jaleel
The Ayoung family in hockey
Now, no one is doubting the immeasurable contribution made by Africans to TT.
But to say that "black folks put Trinidad on the map," is a comment steeped in ignorance.
Peace,
VB
Toppa, Before you get your panties in a bunch I was referring to the statement:
" It leaves me to wonder whether the Hindu population are ardent supporters of football? Knowing many Hindu Trinidadians the choice of sport happens to almost always be cricket."
I was NOT speaking about "denying anyone's ancestry ", I was refering to why should one have to play, practice, support a sport they simply have no interest in for the sake of racial/political correctiness. Everyone as with everything in life has there preference.....jus like chololate or vanilla icecream.....only you would choose to see the same ice cream in terms of blk and white......just as you chose to see it in my argument
Felziano... I know you just jealous. There is no proof of what you are saying. But there is more than enough proof of what i am saying. This is nothing to be angry about. You know and every person from the caribbean know that black folks put Trinidad on the map.
Boy u really make an ass out of yourself:
The Valdez brothers
The Price Brothers
Bovell
Naipaul
Sonny Ramadhin
Puss Achong
Willi Rodriguez
Charlie Davis
Lee Heung
Raul Garib
Minshall
Joey Carew
Stollmyer
Dinesh Ramdhin
Ames
Maria Nunes
Lock Jack (sp)
The Samaroos
S. M. Jaleel
The Ayoung family in hockey
Now, no one is doubting the immeasurable contribution made by Africans to TT.
But to say that "black folks put Trinidad on the map," is a comment steeped in ignorance.
Peace,
VB
Toppa, Before you get your panties in a bunch I was referring to the statement:
" It leaves me to wonder whether the Hindu population are ardent supporters of football? Knowing many Hindu Trinidadians the choice of sport happens to almost always be cricket."
I was NOT speaking about "denying anyone's ancestry ", I was refering to why should one have to play, practice, support a sport they simply have no interest in for the sake of racial/political correctiness. Everyone as with everything in life has there preference.....jus like chololate or vanilla icecream.....only you would choose to see the same ice cream in terms of blk and white......just as you chose to see it in my argument
What madness u talking? Who say that Hindus don't choose to play football.
Btw, being Indian doesn't mean u are a Hindu.
The Captains of our recent U-20 and U-17 teams were both Indians from South TT (Naparima).
Are u aware that some NOn Blacks are discriminated against at national practice, hence the reason Lincoln Phillips has implored that all races must be included when scouting for the national team.
Now in Central and S. TT, Indians may be more fanatical about cricket, thus the reason they are extremely well represented on the national team.
I know endless Indians that play football.
VB
So call de team Dougla Warriors..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
wait nah..what bout Lawrence Duprey and Clico..Angustura..and Sabga and them with Carib..ent them thing world famous too..Selwyn?..ah go claim them for my side of the story loljust out of curiousity...what race is Lawrence Duprey?
wait nah..Harold La Borde and he wife Kwai..boy you is a real joker yes lol..i really want to know where u went to school and learn only 'half' of our historsy..steups
boy me ent know for sure..but he look mixed to me..what race u think he is btw?wait nah..what bout Lawrence Duprey and Clico..Angustura..and Sabga and them with Carib..ent them thing world famous too..Selwyn?..ah go claim them for my side of the story loljust out of curiousity...what race is Lawrence Duprey?
wait nah..Harold La Borde and he wife Kwai..boy you is a real joker yes lol..i really want to know where u went to school and learn only 'half' of our historsy..steups
Thanks for that list VB..ah was now making up one for Selwyn Cudjoe dey lolFelziano... I know you just jealous. There is no proof of what you are saying. But there is more than enough proof of what i am saying. This is nothing to be angry about. You know and every person from the caribbean know that black folks put Trinidad on the map.
Boy u really make an ass out of yourself:
The Valdez brothers
The Price Brothers
Bovell
Naipaul
Sonny Ramadhin
Puss Achong
Willi Rodriguez
Charlie Davis
Lee Heung
Raul Garib
Minshall
Joey Carew
Stollmyer
Dinesh Ramdhin
Ames
Maria Nunes
Lock Jack (sp)
The Samaroos
S. M. Jaleel
The Ayoung family in hockey
Now, no one is doubting the immeasurable contribution made by Africans to TT.
But to say that "black folks put Trinidad on the map," is a comment steeped in ignorance.
Peace,
VB
and dont forget Sundar Popo..inventor of Chutney and samuel selvon
aye Selwyn..yuh forget to put Abu Bakr on yuh list of black people putting we on the map lol
and for the record i did say i wasnt indian..so all that shit you say i feeling dont really pertain to me..alright
Why not Soca-Chutney Warriors?
On a point of intellectual curiosity, why not Soca-Chutney Warriors instead of "Soca Warriors"?
"Here every creed and race finds an equal place." Am I correct? It does not matter that there are no Indians on the national football team: that is quite irrelevant. That is so because there no Indians skilfully worthy of playing football at this level and by extension being able to make the World Cup squad. But to sell us to the world by using a term which expresses only part of our culture is abominable.
How would the USA name their team and sell it to the world under similar circumstances? "Rock Warriors?" "Hip Hop Warriors?" "Jazz Warriors?" "Pop Warriors?" Or would they find an all-inclusive name which expresses their diversity of its white, black, Asian, Hispanic population?
In South Africa, there has been something called "affirmative action" which, simply put, was designed to give blacks their rightful position/place in the society. Hence, the rise of Black fast bowler Ntini and others on the cricket team, thereby transforming an exclusively white team into something more akin to the real South Africa.
It is quite the opposite with cricket in T&T: there are more Indians on the national team at the moment and even the captain Daren Ganga is Indian. Are we to call them "Chutney Cricketers"? Even the WI cricket team are led by two Indians Shiv Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan. Chutney cricketers?
Anil Mahabir
Cunupia
Trinidad Express Newspapers.
boy me ent know for sure..but he look mixed to me..what race u think he is btw?wait nah..what bout Lawrence Duprey and Clico..Angustura..and Sabga and them with Carib..ent them thing world famous too..Selwyn?..ah go claim them for my side of the story loljust out of curiousity...what race is Lawrence Duprey?
wait nah..Harold La Borde and he wife Kwai..boy you is a real joker yes lol..i really want to know where u went to school and learn only 'half' of our historsy..steups
Toppa, Before you get your panties in a bunch I was referring to the statement:
" It leaves me to wonder whether the Hindu population are ardent supporters of football? Knowing many Hindu Trinidadians the choice of sport happens to almost always be cricket."
I was NOT speaking about "denying anyone's ancestry ", I was refering to why should one have to play, practice, support a sport they simply have no interest in for the sake of racial/political correctiness. Everyone as with everything in life has there preference.....jus like chololate or vanilla icecream.....only you would choose to see the same ice cream in terms of blk and white......just as you chose to see it in my argument
what bout ah dancing breadfruit?
Interesting but I remember in an interview I saw with David Rudder he said the title "chutney soca" is somewhat redundant, because soca in it's early roots incorporated may indian elements and beats.... what does this tell us.... I guess that soca also represents the indain population....
Correct me if I'm wrong... that's just what Rudder said on the Carnival Exposed 2004 DVD....
But really it don't matter what the warriors are called..... Once they wear the red white and black... they still OUR warriors....
I go get vex if they called the Dancehall Warriors though....
I would like to include the following to any new name that is bestowed on our football heroes: Soca-Chutney, Foreign-based, Christian, Muslim, KFC-loving, Pan Fanatic, Gold Chain and Earring-wearing, Some Ghetto-originating, Talented and Skilled Trinidad and Tobago National World Cup Qualifying Football Warriors.
John Henry
Petit Valley
what about De Fighting Caribs or De Astonishing Arawaks.
I eh know if somebody say this already because i couldn't readt through every thread on all 5 pages but...
THE NAME WAS OFFICIALLY CHANGED TO SIMPLY WARRIORS !! NO SOCA, CHUTNEY OR OTHERWISE...SO THE POINT IS MOOT !!
The Soca warriors stick but is not official so people could say it if they want, and if u doh want to say ,it don't !!
Felziano... I know you just jealous. There is no proof of what you are saying. But there is more than enough proof of what i am saying. This is nothing to be angry about. You know and every person from the caribbean know that black folks put Trinidad on the map.
Please provide some factual evidence to what you are saying. I did. I backed up my argument with specific examples. If you have any examples please provide it. If not, it is just conjecture. There is new word for you look up.
The reality still stands. Indo Trinidadians did achieve accomplishments, but their accomplishments did not put Trinidad on world stage. It is nothing to be ashamed of or angry at. We are all Trini. But to use a Darwinian approach to back up your conjecture is beyond childish.
It sounds as if you dont like the fact that there is no indians on the soca warriors. Do you feel left out? I hope you dont suffer an emotional breakdown when the warriors take the field in June. lol.
I have love for all people. But truth is truth whether you like it or not! Furthermore, please educate me. Name five indo trinidadians that have got international recognition in arts, sports or education. I will be more than happy to hear you out.
One love brotha!
I eh know if somebody say this already because i couldn't readt through every thread on all 5 pages but...
THE NAME WAS OFFICIALLY CHANGED TO SIMPLY WARRIORS !! NO SOCA, CHUTNEY OR OTHERWISE...SO THE POINT IS MOOT !!
The Soca warriors stick but is not official so people could say it if they want, and if u doh want to say ,it don't !!
Interesting but I remember in an interview I saw with David Rudder he said the title "chutney soca" is somewhat redundant, because soca in it's early roots incorporated may indian elements and beats.... what does this tell us.... I guess that soca also represents the indain population....
Correct me if I'm wrong... that's just what Rudder said on the Carnival Exposed 2004 DVD....
But really it don't matter what the warriors are called..... Once they wear the red white and black... they still OUR warriors....
I go get vex if they called the Dancehall Warriors though....
This is true as I saw an interview ( over 6 years ago) with Rudder inwhich he said Soca is a fusion of calypso and indian music so he couldn't understand the name chutney soca..
And personally I saw an interview with Ras Shorty I saying that soca was Indian and Calypso music in one .
Soca is a representation of Trinidad and Tobago and even the Caribbean . Talk done !
Socaman talk to dem fuh we
Hold it dong !
i agree with rudder.
i believe what many regard to be the first soca tune was ras shorty i's (then lord shorty) "Om Shanti". it had indian music in it.
nowadays that would probably be regarded as a chutney tune i suppose. i eh know. i doh listen to chutney. i find it extremely annoying.
btw, who de jail is selwyn cudjoe?
First we need to understand how the name SoCa came about.....it was derived from 2 of our artforms:
KaiSO & CAlypso which came to be know as SOCA
ummmmmmmmm arseholes the name is warriors and it was changed on ash wednesday last year.
people just didnt listen and kept on using soca but keep all allyuh stupid racial letters in yuh backpocket.
them didnt change it back on purpose. iz people keep on using the name regardless and they were forced to keep it.
what about De Fighting Caribs or De Astonishing Arawaks.
ah like dat.
what about De Fighting Caribs or De Astonishing Arawaks.
ah like dat.
Why not mix it up and call dem De Amazing Amerindians..everybody should be happy now! ;D
Big Up de Soca Warriors!
ummmmmmmmm arseholes the name is warriors and it was changed on ash wednesday last year.
people just didnt listen and kept on using soca but keep all allyuh stupid racial letters in yuh backpocket.
not that i trying to be racial here or anything...but why is it that its always the indians here in Trini that always finding a problem with race in everything we do? to tell you the truth i never see a black man or for that matter anybody else making an issue off of trivial $hit like this!
Trinidad have a setta pseudo racist digusing themselves as educated people.
What the govnt should do is take all the people who have any kinda problem or hang up and pay they passage and send them back to Africa or India or wherever they feel they come from and just leave the rest of us carefree down here.
When that happen all the labels will disappear and everything would just be Trinidadian........as it should be.
not that i trying to be racial here or anything...but why is it that its always the indians here in Trini that always finding a problem with race in everything we do? to tell you the truth i never see a black man or for that matter anybody else making an issue off of trivial $hit like this!
nah ah think yuh have it back to front dey Jodie..to me dey taking a page from the Afrikans and dem who was bitching the most when UNC and NAR was in power..so i guess after 30 years or so of PNM..they find dey voice..albeit..causing more tension in de country...remember oppression is bring rebellion ;)
not that i trying to be racial here or anything...but why is it that its always the indians here in Trini that always finding a problem with race in everything we do? to tell you the truth i never see a black man or for that matter anybody else making an issue off of trivial $hit like this!
nah ah think yuh have it back to front dey Jodie..to me dey taking a page from the Afrikans and dem who was bitching the most when UNC and NAR was in power..so i guess after 30 years or so of PNM..they find dey voice..albeit..causing more tension in de country...remember oppression is bring rebellion ;)
exactly who are you talking about when you say "oppressed"? Who in Trinidad and Tobago is oppressed? ???
JUST TO SQUASH ALL THIS RACE TING THAT HAVE PEOPLE UPSET WHAT IF WE JUST USED AH ANIMAL MASCOT LIKE HOW CAMEROON HAVE THE LIONS AND NIGERIA HAVE THE EAGLES...MAYBE WE COULD BE DE TRINI FIGHTING 'GUANAS OR THE TRINI CONQUERING 'GOUTIS, OR DE TRINI INVINCIBLE MAPEPEES ;D JUST AH THOUGHT.
not that i trying to be racial here or anything...but why is it that its always the indians here in Trini that always finding a problem with race in everything we do? to tell you the truth i never see a black man or for that matter anybody else making an issue off of trivial $hit like this!I always love it when someone starts by saying "...I'm not being racial eh, BUT..." :devil:
soca warriors is just a name...soca belongs to the people of this country collectively and so we dubbed our team with that name....because they are 'our' team. they represent us as a people collectively. every man jack in our country listens to soca....tell me ah lie! even if its soca and chutney...or soac and RnB....or soca nad rock! soca is a part of us...it is who we are. and so we just got a name that represents that for our warriors! so deal with it! who vex loss....
not that i trying to be racial here or anything...but why is it that its always the indians here in Trini that always finding a problem with race in everything we do? to tell you the truth i never see a black man or for that matter anybody else making an issue off of trivial $hit like this!
nah ah think yuh have it back to front dey Jodie..to me dey taking a page from the Afrikans and dem who was bitching the most when UNC and NAR was in power..so i guess after 30 years or so of PNM..they find dey voice..albeit..causing more tension in de country...remember oppression is bring rebellion ;)
exactly who are you talking about when you say "oppressed"? Who in Trinidad and Tobago is oppressed? ???
ah talking bout history in general..church people rebel, slaves rebel, military rebel..everybody is rebel if they feel like they being held back for whatever reason.
ok ah guess 'oppression' is too strong a word..how bout "victimisation","hardship", "maltreatment", "ostracism", "chastisement" and "subjection'"
but anyway i didnt say anybody in T&T suffering that kinda treatment.
in spite of all the shit talk and supposed tension (instigated by EVIL politicians who learned the art of dividing and conquering from their colonial masters), trini's is get along regardless of creed.
where else in the world you go find a chinee man married a indian woman with one chindian child and one dougla child that he believe is he one whille he have a chigro child and and a syrian child on de side. at de same time he bulling de venezuelan maid as he wife have a frening with de red yardman from lavantille who father is really a big shot white man from westmoorings.
make hornchild not war.
in spite of all the shit talk and supposed tension (instigated by EVIL politicians who learned the art of dividing and conquering from their colonial masters), trini's is get along regardless of creed.
where else in the world you go find a chinee man married a indian woman with one chindian child and one dougla child that he believe is he one whille he have a chigro child and and a syrian child on de side. at de same time he bulling de venezuelan maid as he wife have a frening with de red yardman from lavantille who father is really a big shot white man from westmoorings.
make hornchild not war.
That sound wrong :-\ no offense intended but to me it does.look whoever say dis that is real crap ok.What on earth does soca have to do with negro. I am of indian sescent and I always listen to soca wherever I go and I sure that is am not d only one.So i say we should just leave soca warriors ah mean it sounding good just so and why allyuh does have to put race in evberything it was going good b4 well leave it so nah.No Bad Feelings whoever it should be changed but 4 me it is just a load of crap.
Its not just africans that listen to soca. a Nick name has nothing to do with race, unless it was called the NEGRO warriors ::). Let get back to talking about FOOTBALL.lol
so what go happen to ex-tempo ???
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
I think they should drop the name Soca and leave it as Warriors.
funny how nobody had a problem wid the name ''soca warriors'' when we was playin dominican republic. Wagish behavior indeed ;D
funny how nobody had a problem wid the name ''soca warriors'' when we was playin dominican republic. Wagish behavior indeed ;D
exactly pioneer!! exactly!! everyone wants to associate themselves with success!!
lets name them the soca-chutney-ching-chong-with-ah-whiteman warriors!!
ah love it!!
First of all Mr Zaid Mohammed yuh talkin Bullshit with a capital B.....chutney is NOT an "indigenous East Indian artform"...chutney came out of Trinidad ....first spoken about by Moeen Mohammed..bother of the late Sham Mohammed who use to host Mastana Bahar. Sundar Popo was one of the founding fathers of the style.....Mr. Zaid Mohammed is not expressing his opinion; he is highlighting the opinion of Randy Glasgow.. The quotes you list are not attributed to the reporter, but to R. Glasgow.
They took hindi songs that are usually performed at indian weddings and changed the beat..and rythm to a more trini/carribean flavor as well as the fusion of calyspo. This was first done in the mid to late 80's.......it s a relatively new art form. before 1984, there was no such thing as chutney !!
So Mr Zaid Mohammed, before you talk get your facts right and whilst yuh want to celebrate where your forefathers came from try to remember where you come from first....sweet TnT
funny how nobody had a problem wid the name ''soca warriors'' when we was playin dominican republic. Wagish behavior indeed ;D
exactly pioneer!! exactly!! everyone wants to associate themselves with success!!
lets name them the soca-chutney-ching-chong-with-ah-whiteman warriors!!
ah love it!!
What you talkin about....we already have tassa.....again that is ah trini thing.....yes it is a derivative from India but NOT a product of india.....Just like Calypso is ah lil bit ah everything we all come from...my point is tassa didnt come from India..is ah Trini thing....
So to sum up...we already have Tassa with the steelpan when we watchin we warriors in any stadium we go.....we need chutney too ???? come on..plz!!
I was waiting for this to happen yuh know, steups.
Like we cared about that when we were all, every creed and race, jumping up in the airport to SOCA to bring in the team.
Oh gosh man leave the race thing out of the sport nah.
Lawd. I really was waiting for it and I find it take real long to happen, Lets put the focus back on football and stop this Shit.
Andre "u love it"
"I Tired "
what ah really fedup with is ppl associating Soca music and Pan with race and not COUNTRY..when everybody see soca as trini thing and pan as trini thing, den ah go say "we reach!" but for now dis topic is crap..soca=chutney=trini music..Soca Warriors is all inclusive, talk done!
Big Up de Soca Warriors (chutney included)
F**k soca chutney warriors. Soca Warriors is good enough.
F**k chutney warriors. F**k if anything that tries to bring in that element. F**k soca chutney warriors, F**k soca chutney warriors,
F**k soca chutney warriors, F**k soca chutney warriors, F**k soca chutney warriors. I done. lol
That guy is a bit closed minded, he needs to use his peripherals. He starts off "On a point of intellectual curiosity" oh please! He just wants to stir up some sort of race issue when it's absolutely uncalled for. He should have had some of his Indian and non Indian friends proof-read his contribution before he submitted it.
btw.. I like morvantman's suggestion moreso what go happen to ex-tempo ???:rotfl: :rotfl:
soca-chutney-extempo-warriors ;D
I eh know bout the close minded claim ... if he was close minded he would not be asking questions??? soca is trini and trini is soca, plain and simple..that would be my response to his letter...
BTW..chutney listeners, is chutney something invented in TnT?
Yes Chutney is something invented in TnT. As fuh de team nickname...Soca is a marriage of Indian and African rhythyms, and it's a pity that this Anil cacahole ent know his own history to realize dat...shame on some people in here too, since I'm yet to see anybody reference dat.
Yes Chutney is something invented in TnT. As fuh de team nickname...Soca is a marriage of Indian and African rhythyms, and it's a pity that this Anil cacahole ent know his own history to realize dat...shame on some people in here too, since I'm yet to see anybody reference dat.
It was referenced here (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=10128.msg90471#msg90471).
bake and shake im sure sombody said that already about soca being indian and african at the start otherwise i would have said it ;DNice...
sorry bredda :-[
He lucky...is only de tight banner in he sig save him from cuss ;Dsorry bredda :-[
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I cyar believe you say Bake N Shake! Yuh up in de cold too long man.
He lucky...is only de tight banner in he sig save him from cuss ;Dsorry bredda :-[
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I cyar believe you say Bake N Shake! Yuh up in de cold too long man.
For those who ent hear it yet, Shanti Om (http://www.toronto-lime.com/music/classics/shanti_om.htm[url=http://For those who ent hear ir yet, Shanti Om)I trying tuh hear 'Endless Vibrations'...yuh have dat link?
nuff respect to debbie jacobs.Disagree...the thread ent shit, the original topic is. Sometimes (like lettuce, lol) good things can come from shitty beginnings. Lotsa good info here for the uninformed.
this shit thread need to be deleted.
Now on here, it sounding like back in Trini, it have real division. That is hard to understand after that first, and other Trini party experiences.
It added that "whether we like to admit it or not", the social reality is that the large majority of Indo-Trinidadians participate mostly as spectators during Carnival.
I remember de first time I went to ah Trini party.
My parents play Soca/Calypso (Sparrow, Kitch, Shadow, Denyse Plummer, David Rudder, etc) at home, but I wasn’t too crazy about it. I grew up with Rap.
But my first Trini party change all dat. Soca (and little Reggae) in de place. All color woman – midnight black, to plain black, to brown, to red, to yellow and 1 pure white girl. All kinda hair - from ball-head (1 girl hair was down to she scalp), to short, to long, to curly, to braids, to dreads to blond (de white girl). But wait, de 1 white girl was twirling she waist round and round, and jookin up and down, just like de rest ah dem. I was expecting she to be outta step, but she wasn’t. She was movin same way. So I ask way she from. Dey tell me she from Trinidad.
Then I hear a variation of de Soca with some drums sounding like Drumline music. I ask. They say dat is Chutney. I ask if it different from Soca, and if so, way it from. They tell me no, is really de same ting, and it all come, same way, from Trinidad & Tobago.
Well I was converted. I love de Soca, Chutney too. And I love how dey had ah whole kaleidoscope of women, all dem colors. I was amazed dat all dat come from de same place. And to see all ah dem together in dat party, was nice too. I mean, I was thinking, you could go one place, Trinidad, and come out with whatever you want? Wonderful! I goin.
Now on here, it sounding like back in Trini, it have real division. That is hard to understand after that first, and other Trini party experiences.
Dey debating over ah name for de football team? What kinda assness is dat? Nutten eh wrong wit de Soca Warriors. Soca is uniquely Trini, and it represents all Trinis, no matter what color (from dat white girl to de midnight black one). De Soca Warriors is IDEAL for de team representing Trini.
Talk Done!!!
Letter to the Trinidad Guardian
In T&T soca and chutney are indigenous music melodies invented by the two major ethnic groups. All other ethnic groups and races participate in and enjoy these songs. Soca and chutney are part of everyday life of approximately 70 per cent of our people.
Letter to the Trinidad Guardian
In T&T soca and chutney are indigenous music melodies invented by the two major ethnic groups. All other ethnic groups and races participate in and enjoy these songs. Soca and chutney are part of everyday life of approximately 70 per cent of our people.
bullshit! this man clearly eh know he culture.
also, if i in a fete and a DJ put on a chutney song, is carib bottle flying towards he ass! i hate it!
also, if i in a fete and a DJ put on a chutney song, is carib bottle flying towards he ass! i hate it!
sowa,
i eh have no hate for nobody. i just hate that kind a music. is real annoy me dred. is like the same way i hate techno music. yuh see wha i saying?
i wouldn't pelt the DJ though with a glass bottle though. that is what plastic for.
sowa,
i eh have no hate for nobody. i just hate that kind a music. is real annoy me dred. is like the same way i hate techno music. yuh see wha i saying?
i wouldn't pelt the DJ though with a glass bottle though. that is what plastic for.
Ah take it yuh didn't grow up Trinidad. Cos Latayla and Chutney Bacchanal is two classics that mashing up any fete.
Any time they change that name I not supporting the National Team
me eh know them tunes breds. wha dat is? a woman screeching like a cat in heat to some weakened soca melodies?
also, if i in a fete and a DJ put on a chutney song, is carib bottle flying towards he ass! i hate it!Quote
That was uncalled for Andre..you can't fight BS with BS, chaitan talk tata, but doh let dat bring out hate in you. chutney is we music too and it have some hot ones out there..it have shetee soca too, but nobody pelt the DJ.
Big Up!
nuff respect to debbie jacobs.
this shit thread need to be deleted.
I don't mean that in a bad way, but I was really upset about that...I really mean I wouldn't buy anything with that STUPID name on it...This thing shouldn't even be an issue...Racism affecting our football too? Is not about sharing...we all from the land of soca and calypso and chutney... If they had said to go back to using the name Strike Squad I might have understood...Go T&TAny time they change that name I not supporting the National Team
???
I know yuh doh really mean dat.GO SOCA WARRIORS
Letter to the Trinidad Guardian
This letter responds to your story on December 19, “Sports play key role in unity—PM.”
I congratulate our Prime Minister for recognising that sports can play a key role in binding our people into the fabric of a rainbow nation.
In ancient times the Greeks and Romans used the Olympic Games for the construction and consolidation of their empires. In modern times the British Empire Games evolved into the Commonwealth Games and is currently used to foster harmony and camaraderie amongst Commonwealth nations. Our nation participates in both the Olympics and Commonwealth Games.
In T&T soca and chutney are indigenous music melodies invented by the two major ethnic groups. All other ethnic groups and races participate in and enjoy these songs. Soca and chutney are part of everyday life of approximately 70 per cent of our people.
The T&T Warriors have diligently positioned themselves for a good run at the football World Cup 2006 in Germany. One hundred per cent of our people are behind the Warriors. Since the Warriors will represent the soca and chutney population, I want to suggest that the powers responsible adopt the name SocaChutney Warriors (SCW) for our team. I believe that the SCW will incise its way far into the World Cup football hierarchy.
Now that a proposed $50 million budget of soca and chutney taxes and petroleum revenues will be dedicated to our team, it will be an appropriate time to consider my proposal.
I am confident that the SocaChutney Warriors could be the long-awaited catalyst required to achieve the elusive national unity.
I will copy this letter to Oliver Camps and Jack Warner and the T&T Football Federation.
Bill Chaitan
Via e-mail
Any time they change that name I not supporting the National Team...Chutney is a hybrid from Soca anyway....That is high class foolishness...That is over doing it...That is not unity...if Chutney is a Hybrid of Soca why not call it Soca Indian music? This whole chutney soca warriors thing promoting racism and seperation...T&T doomed to hell if that name change...Chutney is NOT a hybrid of Soca. Sudar Popo and others before him were singing this artform for a long time before Chutney became associated with Soca. In fact, the current incarnation of Chutney is heavily frowned upon by purists/old-timers. I remember people like Sham Mohammed (of Mastana Bahar fame, for those who don't know) strenously objecting to what they saw as the excessive wining and vulgarity of modern "chutney" music.
Kicker you is a man like arguement here.
Put yuhself in the shoes of a foreigner who doe know shit except how to drop he chirren to school, the mall and the grocery.
Try and view it from that perspective......also you really feel we have a PR thing in place to explain these things to the millions of viewers out there.
Aprreciate different people point of view kicker.....yuh ent have to agree with it, but I find the man making sense....now I could find he making sense and doe agree. But the man ent talking shit....he just bringing another perspective you doe agree with or that people ent explore or understand.
Kicker you is a man like arguement here.
Put yuhself in the shoes of a foreigner who doe know shit except how to drop he chirren to school, the mall and the grocery.
Try and view it from that perspective......also you really feel we have a PR thing in place to explain these things to the millions of viewers out there.
Aprreciate different people point of view kicker.....yuh ent have to agree with it, but I find the man making sense....now I could find he making sense and doe agree. But the man ent talking shit....he just bringing another perspective you doe agree with or that people ent explore or understand.
To sum up: the T&T Soca Chutney Warriors would communicate a team of poorly educated curry fanatics.So now they think we are poorly educated fanatics who cant spell Soccer.
To this, some would add the word chutney. Now, as far as the wider English-speaking world is concerned, chutney is not a music form. It’s a spicy sauce you eat with curry.
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BEFORE ALLYUH SAY AH RACIAL.MY MOTHER IS INDIAN.DE INDIANS BACK HOME WHO BUMPIN SHIT ABOUT CHUTNEY THIS AND CHUTNEY THAT DOH KNOW THE FIRST f**kIN TING ABOUT FOOTBALL.CHUTNEY IS FOR ROTI AND DOUBLES.TALK DONE.
I think the man have a point.
Ah listen to the who first leg of the Bahrain Match with the Soccer Warriors
So he have a point.
All those who can see the points raised and appreciate the angle the writer coming from......even better.
99.9% of the people in Germany will think that Soca is how you spell Soccer in Trinidadian.
99.9% of the people in Germany will think that Soca is how you spell Soccer in Trinidadian.
Thaz the ice breaker right there... we correct them and give them the story. And if is a good looking thing, you could correct she posture too. ;D
This man is a c**t who wrote that article...
I find Soca Chutney Warriors sounds stupid whether it made sense or not and we cannot re-name de Soca Warriors,,, that I agree with..... But Chutney is not only a spicy sauce you eat with curry, that is a racsist comment, he knows nothing about indian food and should shut he dam ass because he looking stupid,,, trying to make Chutney look stupid in a smart way, but if it was de other way around them indian dead for saying that,,,, I believe he related to Cro Cro, Socapro, Touches or Sugar Aloes.
Actually GOIPO said is the Chutney Soca Warriors
oh gorsh Soca Warriors is de name of we team fuh a long while now, if we didn't qualify for WC nobody woulda care if it didn't have Chutney in it. It is true dat some members of de Indian community are insecure about this, which is stupid because no body was studying race when giving the team its name. And I am indian so doh tell me I racial.
There are no "Africans" from T&T, only TRINIS
There are no "Indians" from T&T, only TRINIS
sames goes to Chinese and reds if yuh identify yourself from there - TRINIS.
Talk done. Who vex lorse.
This man is a c**t who wrote that article...
I find Soca Chutney Warriors sounds stupid whether it made sense or not and we cannot re-name de Soca Warriors,,, that I agree with..... But Chutney is not only a spicy sauce you eat with curry, that is a racsist comment, he knows nothing about indian food and should shut he dam ass because he looking stupid,,, trying to make Chutney look stupid in a smart way, but if it was de other way around them indian dead for saying that,,,, I believe he related to Cro Cro, Socapro, Touches or Sugar Aloes.
If we didn't make it to de world cup I wonder if they would have still be concern about keeping Soca Warriors,,,,, all of a sudden they proud of Soca in de Warriors and de Soca artist still struggling.... and now de Indian want piece to. It hard for Indian to really get respected in T&T because as soon as T&T make it big in something them creole fighting them down, whether music or sports. No Indian on de team too. They dont complain when Indian copanies sponsor them though.
Touches I am not one for arugment on this board, but for real that is a pretty poor line of logic he come up with there. Do you honestly think that this is what people will think from the name Soca Chutney WarriorsQuoteTo sum up: the T&T Soca Chutney Warriors would communicate a team of poorly educated curry fanatics.So now they think we are poorly educated fanatics who cant spell Soccer.
Thats a stretch!!!
who care what germans or anybody else think?
trinis too hot to please other people yes.
who care what germans or anybody else think?
trinis too hot to please other people yes.
Dat kinda ass-backwards mentality will get us nowhere...
it's about a unique opportunity to promote the country and spread a little knowledge about our culture to the world. Maybe you don't care... but many much more enlightened individuals capable of grasping the broader picture do.
That sound wrong :-\ no offense intended but to me it does.
Its not just africans that listen to soca. a Nick name has nothing to do with race, unless it was called the NEGRO warriors ::). Let get back to talking about FOOTBALL.lol
yeah if we do this..it go save Flex, Tallman and Palos some work with merging all them new threads lollet we pull this thread back up in case somebody want to ask the same stupid question before the Peru game ;Dlook what ya gorn an do man :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
i think we shouldn't forget about Parang.......so maybe de soca parang chutney warriors could work................just rolls right off de tongue
i think we shouldn't forget about Parang.......so maybe de soca parang chutney warriors could work................just rolls right off de tongue
Then we better not forget Steel Pan...so the Soca Steel Pan Parang Chutney Warriors then
OK .....................OK...................
ALLYA LISTEN UP
here is de final name from all the different posts in here
Groovy Chutney Parang Dougla Fry Rice, Cloth Selling Rapso Kaiso Bangers n Mash Pelau Creole ching-chong-with-ah-whiteman heavy-metal-boy-bands Tassa-Lavway Pow GANGES AND DE NILE Extempo Soca Warriors