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Sports => Football => Topic started by: KND on August 31, 2005, 03:00:46 PM
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We need to watch him very closely
He was slow to slide out wide to cover for the Birchald and Charles mishap for the first US goal.
Then he do the back pass to set up tallman.
Rangers have not been playing him and it is not like Rangers in form so he must be real shitting down the practice.
I feel the knee giving problems or he gul leave him but some thing wrong with the Big Dog.
We need to watch him close for the first 20 mins of the Guatemala Game if necessary bring in Cox and let Dog rest
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Ah know yuh didn't have no TV to watch de game against de USA so yuh eh see how de Dog perform in de 2nd half of dat game.
SO....
How about you watch yuh knee, eat some crix and wash it dong wit some epsom salts?
;D ;D ;D
Jes kiscksin padnah.... :)
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I agree with you 100% about Dog. Against the quick Guatemalans his lack of speed can hurt us bad. He seems to have a habit of making at least one stupid mistake in every game.
If I was the coach dog wouldn't start this game. Guatemala does not pose a serious aerial threat which is andrews biggest asset on defense.
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HIS LACK OF SPEED IS NOTED BUT HIS IMPOSING AND UNCOMPROMISING FIGURE ARE BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE TO EXPLOIT ITS HARD TO FIGURE A DEFENSE ESPECIALLY A 3 MAN 1 WITHOUT DOG AS ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS
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I for one have spared no words in the past when it comes to my feelings about the dog........and where I feel he is deficient........I don't think he's as capable as we need for the position........but I do believe however that he is the best we have in that part of the field. I have not seen Cox play in a while, so I won't jump on the Cox bandwagon
I think the team believes in Marvin and trusts his leadership at the anchor. I'm scared of what a change like that could do to team confidence overall................plus his position at the back is one that should not really be messed around with in the interest of stability, unless absolutely needed. .........plus I superstitiously try not to say negative things about our boys in the days leading up to a game....(after the game I'll cuss dey as$)........so for now, the Dawg is not a liability(please don't make me eat my words).......... GO WARRIORS !!!, GO DAWG !!!!...
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Big Dog is prone to fatal mental lapses.
Of de top of my head:
- vs USA (August 17, 2005) - Without looking, he makes a back pass straight to Donovan which forces Lawrence to commit a professional foul and gets him ejected from de game.
- vs USA (August 17, 2005) - Allows Brian McBride to sneak between him and Lawrence to score de deciding goal. Of course, Atiba, Lawrence and Birchall have tuh take some pong fuh dat goal as well.
- vs Panama (July 9, 2005) - Misjudges a long clearance from Panama's defence which bounces over his head and allows Tejada to run behind him an score on Jack.
- vs USA (February 9, 2005) - Slack/non marking of Eddie Johnson results in de US' opening goal. Dog was butting breeze.
- vs Mexico (September 8, 2004) - Miskicks de ball 28 seconds into de game allowing Arellano to string up Jack.
- vs USA (July 19, 2001) - Miskicks de ball 35 yards from goal which allows Earnie Stewart to take it and go one on one wit Ince which results in de US's second goal.
Despite that, his contribution and dedication to de national team has been immense. Hell, he has even scored 10 goals. Also, he is one of de few who has displayed de Warrior spirit throughout his national career.
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Some a dese same men was callin Dennis Lawrence shithong prior to de hex.
Marvin Andrews has his cons but for me, his pro's outweigh the con's by PLENTY. Some things cannot be measured. Yuh want heart and soul? Dog is de first man to be picked on de team bar NONE. Gimme dat anytime.
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stern have heart and soul too u go pick he in your forst team too
noted you said have and not play with
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Big Dog is prone to fatal mental lapses.
Of de top of my head:
- vs USA (August 17, 2005) - Without looking, he makes a back pass straight to Donovan which forces Lawrence to commit a professional foul and gets him ejected from de game.
- vs USA (August 17, 2005) - Allows Brian McBride to sneak between him and Lawrence to score de deciding goal. Of course, Atiba, Lawrence and Birchall have tuh take some pong fuh dat goal as well.
- vs Panama (July 9, 2005) - Misjudges a long clearance from Panama's defence which bounces over his head and allows Tejada to run behind him an score on Jack.
- vs USA (February 9, 2005) - Slack/non marking of Eddie Johnson results in de US' opening goal. Dog was butting breeze.
- vs Mexico (September 8, 2004) - Miskicks de ball 28 seconds into de game allowing Arellano to string up Jack.
- vs USA (July 19, 2001) - Miskicks de ball 35 yards from goal which allows Earnie Stewart to take it and go one on one wit Ince which results in de US's second goal.
Despite that, his contribution and dedication to de national team has been immense. Hell, he has even scored 10 goals. Also, he is one of de few who has displayed de Warrior spirit throughout his national career.
Boy I wonder if Kelvin Jack has ANY confidence in Dog after all the string up he cause. den again I not sure if Dog has much confidence in Mr. Oildown either as he constantly has to be looking back to clear de rebounds
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allyuh feel shaka pay he dues yet and ride bench enough for beenie to start him?
that whole back line shaky, and on any given day, is some combination of men givin trouble, and others real steppin up to the cause...Trinidad guaranteed to collect one or two it look like, so we better start scoreing more.
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allyuh feel shaka pay he dues yet and ride bench enough for beenie to start him?
that whole back line shaky, and on any given day, is some combination of men givin trouble, and others real steppin up to the cause...Trinidad guaranteed to collect one or two it look like, so we better start scoreing more.
Nah dred. Jack saving like a boss now.. Jack is a sure starter for next match ! Shaka will ride pine fuh now!
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In my opinion..Shaka is the better goalie, but he not playing so it too risky to put him in. And Jack look good against the US, so he is not a big worry to me.
Although we could criticize some of the Dog's recent performances, and I certainly have, NOW is not the time. Fellas...De SWEAT IS ON and every man on the field and bench for TNT is a frickin' general (for at least the next few days). Anyhow you take it...the Dog is capable of a boss performance, Dog does not give up and there is no better player in TnT at that position. You cannot put Cox, unless he has been destroying for his club and looking like Nesta in practice...I doh know if that is the case, but from what little I know...the Dog must start. I pray he and Stern hit form, cuz bes' believ Stern starting. I would put money (just a lil' bit) on dat.
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allyuh feel shaka pay he dues yet and ride bench enough for beenie to start him?
that whole back line shaky, and on any given day, is some combination of men givin trouble, and others real steppin up to the cause...Trinidad guaranteed to collect one or two it look like, so we better start scoreing more.
Nah dred. Jack saving like a boss now.. Jack is a sure starter for next match ! Shaka will ride pine fuh now!
Good luck to Jack if he plays. His shot stopping has been very good. However,can anybody figure out though why he persists in boom kicking every single ball (often over the side line). No effort to help in the possession department by rolling it out, throwing etc. With all those coaches, Nobody is saying anything? C'mon man! I thought we were fighting to keep more possession.
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Anybody remember who de goalie was when we did get de 5 from Guatemala?
Anybody remember how de first goal score in dat game? Dat first goal and de manner in which it was scored set de tone for de rest of de game right there.
If was Jack, everybody here woulda be crucifyin he.
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Good Post PALOS and dont forget Dog is a boss at Corners. Jack will start. as so will Dog and as much as we will cuss- Stern John will start.
Latas to yorke to John- Goal
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doh go dey Palos :D Is 11 men on the field and they have to be professional when tings start rough. de keep was not at fault for all the goals but he must take de blame 4 dat 1st goal. but de mistake was also uncharacteristic and happens to all the best keepers. unfortunately, you are right to say jack woulda get crucified, but he is on an upward path and in the beginning he needed to prove himself. new players get less sympathy for their errors compared to veterans who've done well in the past and (rightly or wrongly) get a few pardons when they mess up because their previous exploits afford them some goodwill. i get the feeling people are starting to value Jack though. If not, then too bad because he starting Saturday...
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People we have to remember that defenders (gk included) are under the most pressure on the field. Given that fact, a mistake by a defender can be critical (eg. Dog thru ball to Donovan) whereas a forward mistrap or throw way a sitter (eg. SJ), we are more forgiving.
So before we fight down Dog, Jack, Shaka or any defenders understand that these men in the back HAVE to concentrate for the whole 90 minutes b/c one mistake could lose the game, whereas there can be a lack of it in midfield and up front..
Them fellas in the back and certainly JACK are trying there best..the rest of the field needs to relieve some of the pressha that the d is under..
Go Warriors.
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yeah definitely shaka hatta be allowed a mistake or two. anybody rememebr the mexico game when we get 3? with any ordinary keeper in the post we woulda get at least 7...in fact dem was the days when everybody was sayin' trinidad ent have a defence, cuz everybody was pilin' shots on shaka. I feel shaka had the highest rates of saves per game of any of T'dad keepers...Tallman, how we could go about figuring that out? shots at goal - goals scored?
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Going into the USA game Andrews may have been a bit out of form (opinion based on reports of his performance in the league games prior to the WCQ). He made a terrible mistake that led to Tallest getting sent off. However, everyone makes mistakes, Yorke,Latas, Ronaldinho,Zidane,etc..no player is immune...so calling Dog a liability is going too far.
Despite his poor performance in the first half, he stepped up in the second half and was one of the few players that attacked USA in the second half (even Yorke didnt do that). Andrews has served us well and we as fans need to be more supportive and offer constructive criticism...not simply hate.
After the USA game I did not post for several weeks because I was very disappointed by the team's performance. It was the first game I saw live (in person) for a while..there is a big difference between watching a game in person and on TV. In addition to my disappointment in the team's performance, I was more pissed off by the comments of several forumites.
There is a difference between constructive criticism and talking absolute shit. Some forumites resorted to calling players shithongs....I understand their disappointment but at the end of the day, these "shithongs" are the ones on the field..not us...if these same forumites could have done better they would have been on the field instead of de damn forum bumping their gums.
We are all guilty of criticising players but we need to do it constructively...personally I am guilty of hating on Cyd Gray but at the end of the day if he is on field I have no choice but to support him and the other players on the field representing TnT.
Regarding the USA game, I have a few more comments
1) I had serious doubts about Jack but he has proven me dead wrong....it looks like Leo knows something some of us don't know....that is why he is the coach.
2) Spann had a great game
3) Jones and Sealy demonstrated hustle...hopefully Stern will follow suite.
4) The defence played well with the exception of Atiba. Atiba simply had a bad game...some forumites immediately labeled him a goat. I understand why Avery (and other defenders) relies on the long ball a lot..none of the midfielders and forwards make any runs off the ball so they have no one to pass the F****g ball to. The defenders are not comfortable dribbling like Faustin and Brian Williams. Other than that weakness the defence (including Jack) is the strongest part of our team.
5) Stern....no more comments.
6) Birchall coach is probably right..Birchall looked damn tired very early.
7) Whitley is highly rated back home....it is reported that " He mash up de place in the Pro League",
he may simply be a big fish in a very very small pond. He could not dribble past one single defender in that game (he played on the left side of midfield in the 2nd half). A lot of forumites argue back and forth about whether the MLS or the local league is better...I havent seen any pro league games recently so I cant give an opinion. However, if i have to guess...I would say the local league is a mess.
Sorry about the very long post...I am not trying to break Alberta Trini record. I just had to get some stuff of my chest so I could support the Soca Warriors 2006% tomorrow.
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As I said before, I doh agree that Andrews should be dropped and I personally like a positive vibe the days before a big match, cuz that is how I made up. But I have to stand up for freedom of speech and expression on the site...cuz we's get too sensitive sometimes
Stating that Andrews is a liability is an opinion, negative though it may be. It is neither obscene, nor overly disrespectful. Feel free to disagree, but that is the type of discourse that should be going on a football forum. Sure, it would be pleasant to make your points without being indecent and yeah, it would be nice if TnT players was as good as some people seem to think they are. But what exactly do you mean by constructive criticism? Not all posts are designed to facilitate that. Opinion pieces do not have to come with both the negative and the positive. I could say, "So-and-So is a great player beacause a, b and c....and I doh have to point out his weak points too. That is also constructive if done properly. So why if i say, So-and-So play tata cuz a,b,and c.....I also have to come with the positive too? I could choose to or I could leave that up for discussion.
And yes, calling a national team player a shittong is straying into the realm of ludicrous. But it is also a METAPHOR describing his relative level of play to his peers. How can you use the argument that if we cannot do better doh say nothing negative? Of course we cah do better..in that case when a player do sh**, we should always say he had a real good game, cause we woulda do even more sh** in the same situation.
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Filho,
I never said don't say anything negative.i said constructive criticism..i.e. identifying weak areas such as passing, off the ball movement, fitness, ball control, etc..
I agree with you about people thinking that these players are better than they really are. a few weeks ago i said that the strike squad players were better and several people disagreed.
I understand your point about the term shithong being relative..under that assumption then our entire team is a bunch of shithongs if u compare them to Brazil or even Mexico
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I also agree that we cyah call dem shittongs, it is a bit over the top. I was trying to make a point that we as fans can make observations even if we cannot do better. One ting I know we definitely agree on...on a day of such a big game, we eh have time for no more a dese debates..Is time to go CRAZY for TNT. SWEAT IS ON and I have real butterflies in my belly. I watching the game in a bar that go have one set a Guatehs...and I know I coming out with my head held high...RESPEK to all TNT massive...WHEREVER YOU MAY BE...We will return to dis forum victorious!!! De journey now start.....
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..it have to stop. in fact I doh feel too safe with him in de back recently. I haven't seen him for Rangers, but hopefully he more composed on de ball. Hopefully he ketch heself before World Cup or he could get bench. They say Keyeno Thomas playing good for Jabloteh. ;D
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my heart does always be in my hand whenever the ball gets within 3 feet of dog...on the ground. in the air he does butt like a ram goat.
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yeah he good in de ar, which is good for when we come up against England and Sweden. But to play we type of game, Dog have to make good ground passes. And his long balls always missing Stern or whoever he does be aiming to. As I said, I haven't seen him for Rangers. Is he more confident for them?
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anybody feel his knee still not 100%
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Last game I saw him play, he was Solid... Rangers vs Inter... Although Adriano embarrass him, he had ah solid game..
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just so u start up on his case dred
I say you would have had to have seen him recently and inspired to post this negativity about him
You just catch a vapse and start up dis thread boy?
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just so u start up on his case dred
I say you would have had to have seen him recently and inspired to post this negativity about him
You just catch a vapse and start up dis thread boy?
Marcos, hence the reason I trying to find out how he doing for Rangers and as I said, I hope he improves. I like the man, but that long ball bunning meh for a long time now. Just de other day I watching over the 2 Bahrain games and groaning anytime he about to make dat pass.
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He played a game on Sunday and dribble the ball straight to the next team. Them things does make me cringe. Rangers win anyway. 3-2 ah think.
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yeah me he does play that long ball too much man. we is are a better passing side. more touches and passing on the ground.
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"Dog" is the least of our problems, he has serve us well over the years, and will do so during the WC.
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..it have to stop. in fact I doh feel too safe with him in de back recently. I haven't seen him for Rangers, but hopefully he more composed on de ball. Hopefully he ketch heself before World Cup or he could get bench. They say Keyeno Thomas playing good for Jabloteh. ;D
Boss yuh really feel Beenie go replace Dog with an untested Keyeno Thomas. What drugs you on?
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Leave "dog" alone, we NEED him even with his faults, we don't have an adequate replacement for him, his size and experience will not be taken lightly be our oppenents.
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yeah me he does play that long ball too much man. we is are a better passing side. more touches and passing on the ground.
you have to know you abilities as a player. If Dog is not comfortable with the short passing game coming out of the back, let him play it long. Better he does that than he makes crucial errors (like we saw with teh back pass to Tallman in the US game, and the mistrap/bad pass in the first Mexico game in Trinidad).
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Dog's problem is that he can't mark pace. His passing isn't very good either. Apart from that he's a very good defender. Or at least we don't have another player better than him in that position.
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Dog's problem is that he can't mark pace.
well Jah Gol, if that is the truth he couldn't make his living in the Scottish League. That is pure pace when it comes to strikers.
My issue with Dog is that he tends to ballwatch and lose his mark at key times e.g. Eddie Johnson in the Trinidad/US game on Ash Wednesday. Apart from that he is pretty solid, and is definitely more of a help than a hindrance. His tackling is strong, he is a physically gifted individual, and that alone tends to cause fear in opposing strikers.
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I maintain that he is a slow player
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I maintain that he is a slow player
i agree with that too..let we see if he will show better tactical awarenes against Wales..Hartson has his number for the last couple years in the Old Firm derby..them friendlies is a good test for our backline..coming up against them big forwards like Carew and Koller..and also them set pieces.
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Anybody remember who de goalie was when we did get de 5 from Guatemala?
Anybody remember how de first goal score in dat game? Dat first goal and de manner in which it was scored set de tone for de rest of de game right there.
If was Jack, everybody here woulda be crucifyin he.
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One game does not maketh a career especially for a goalie. Lemme see...dis goalie was knocking on England door at one time. How many games has he played at a big time level? A whole lot more than IMPS yuh fav and Jack in de Box. Together, those two have not played more than a handful of games vs a big time League Squad of any pedigree. Yuh go say dey better than Shaka. You feel Shaka would not have seen dat Bahraini fella lurking before he punt de ball or say de light block he view on dat first half play in de same game? He have too much big experience fuh dat. Imps and Jack only dream of facing men like Owen, Rooney, Thierry Henry and dem on a frequent basis. You must be feel all dem scouts in Great Britain must be wrong for not signing up de two of dem but Palos is right...only because Shaka went CIC and Palos went Fatima....interesting logic. Now yuh doh think Beenie's organizational skills, tactics and ability to maximize his squad's potential have nothing to do with Jack's record? Shaka did not have a good game but who is to say dat Jack would not have get 5 in he arse dat day with Bertille's inadequacies? Allyuh men is kicks yes. It go be real interesting to see wha logic yuh go come up wit dis time.
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yeah me he does play that long ball too much man. we is are a better passing side. more touches and passing on the ground.
you have to know you abilities as a player. If Dog is not comfortable with the short passing game coming out of the back, let him play it long. Better he does that than he makes crucial errors (like we saw with teh back pass to Tallman in the US game, and the mistrap/bad pass in the first Mexico game in Trinidad).
Dog save a certain goal for Bahrain when the ball went over Jack head though. The ball was DIS close to de net...it takes good technique to head it over the bar on such a tight angle like Dog did.
Glasglow Rangers is one of de top teams in Europe, a top 3 team in Scotland, and Marvin in the starting lineup fuh a reason. :beermug:
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Listen I supporting meh boys all the way,but I have to tell yuh after watching dat game with iceland,I'm convinced that andrews could pose ah serious problem in defense in clashes with ah more offensive minded team.
Whether yuh agree with me or not that's my opinion,I'm not diminishing what the man has meant and done for the warriors but he looks so unstable at times I get nervous when he attempts to control the ball from ah cross.
But big up meh warriors we win and that's all that matters,and may we continue to win all our friendlies.
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he shaky no ass. today was actually one ah he better days tho. hopefully he just keeps gettin better.
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Andrews actually didnt have me that nervous today..Except for de slip at the end of the first half. I would like to see the backline against a side that gonna come thru more on de ground than in the air tho to see how the fellas handle it
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Dat back 4 need as much playing time as possible together, i like the fact Beenie give dem d whole 90 cause it realistically have nobody to displace any of them so they just need to keep playing together and try to keep improving and get ready for the WC
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Cyd was very impressive, meh boy looking to secure a big contract after the WC, John played a solid game also. Them men in the middle are good players, not great ..and should accept their limitations, and play within them ,if they play error-free football, we should be alright for the most part.
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Avery John had a SOLID GAME
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Yuh no who I use to be real critical with, is samuel but ah tell yuh if he play like he play against iceland we go beat plenty people.He impress meh big time.
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yeah samuel fuh the left we may have two samuels on the left. .lawrence had a good game .but they were not tsted so i cannot say anything yet
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good work but they scarey for real. Lawrence has gotten better in the air. Dog need some holy water and a spliff or he red cards go be the biggest worry.
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Listen I supporting meh boys all the way,but I have to tell yuh after watching dat game with iceland,I'm convinced that andrews could pose ah serious problem in defense in clashes with ah more offensive minded team.
Whether yuh agree with me or not that's my opinion,I'm not diminishing what the man has meant and done for the warriors but he looks so unstable at times I get nervous when he attempts to control the ball from ah cross.
But big up meh warriors we win and that's all that matters,and may we continue to win all our friendlies.
Dont worry boss Leo go have everything straight juss now de back line go be hard like big stone!!!!!!
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I find Andrews had a decent game, we all know his strengths and weaknesses and he played to his limitations. Ah see Dog put he head and a man nearly kick way he head..,.......I dont know if its just me but allyuh aint see when Cyd blade dat man on d line and get no ball. Joe Cole must be sayin " I goin and get real kick mate"........but otherwise everyone had a good game, Stern didnt reall look hungry early in d game...meh bredren make a joke and say stern runnin down man now cuz Jones probably warmin up and lo and behold so said so done.....Warner suspect in dat goal........he look reall shaky on dem clearances.
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As I mentioned on another thread, our central defenders have limitations, especially Marvin. What I think they have to do is accept this and play within their limits and try to play error free football.
This is something I think the technical staff should address, if they haven't already.
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dennis and dog had an alright game but they dont inspire confidence. they like too much just-in-time defending - just when yuh tink Iceland going to score for sure they manage to put in a challenge. but d full backs did not help them at all. they kept getting caught out down d flanks, so it was more work for the central pair.
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I agree that Dog makes serious mistakes from time to time and we need to correct those problems before we play Sweden. I do however, think the idea of replacing him all together needs to be weighed carefully. With whom should we replace him ? Cox, Sancho ? We know Beenie won't take the local route . At this point, I think Dog is the least of all the evils.
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As I mentioned on another thread, our central defenders have limitations, especially Marvin. What I think they have to do is accept this and play within their limits and try to play error free football.
This is something I think the technical staff should address, if they haven't already.
Yeh i agree with yuh breds but it go be hard for them to play error free football....
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We need to watch him very closely
He was slow to slide out wide to cover for the Birchald and Charles mishap for the first US goal.
Then he do the back pass to set up tallman.
Rangers have not been playing him and it is not like Rangers in form so he must be real shitting down the practice.
I feel the knee giving problems or he gul leave him but some thing wrong with the Big Dog.
We need to watch him close for the first 20 mins of the Guatemala Game if necessary bring in Cox and let Dog rest
I think it is a confidence situation. I think it will raise during the build up to the World Cup.
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sancho is the answer for tallest or dog