Allyuh watching this scenario from a football perspective but u missing the bigger issue here. Why must we change our constitution for a decent (not great) brazilian ? iSeabra has no claim to citizenship whereas Birchall has a trinidadian parent. Even in Seabra's case if the laws were changed to accept grandparents it won't help him. If we allow Seabra citizenship just to play after being here 5 years, how can we then deny every grenadian, vincentian, venezuelan and guyanese who in the country already citizenship just to ply their trade on the street corner? We can't..it becomes illegal. U can't start making exceptions for no real reason because every government down the line will use Seabra as an excuse to make who they want citizens. Imagine when UNC back in power and every up and coming Bollywood star becomes citizens because they can add to the culture? Or people who cah make India, pakistan, sri lanka or bangladesh cricket side but feel they have a chance with the windies. Qatar started that shite with handing out citizenship to brazilians in their league after a couple of seasons and Fifa stepped in. Besides, they could afford to house all those foreigners...we can't. Is not just about football and the national team, ppl...This is the best explanation i've read for this situation with Seabra,it makes a lot of sense,if you look at what's going on with Jason Scotland and all these guys,it's not all Football there are laws that govern countries.
Of course, if it was Ronaldinho it woulda be different... ;D
If we allow Seabra citizenship just to play after being here 5 years, how can we then deny every grenadian, vincentian, venezuelan and guyanese who in the country already citizenship just to ply their trade on the street corner? We can't..it becomes illegal.
Jayerson.....why open up a can of worms for an average squad player?
It doesnt seem to be in the "National Interest" now does it.
what makes T&T anymore special.Every country is entitled to adjust their laws to suit whatever they want,look Canada just yesterday approved Gay marriage does that make it right,would you like to adjust our laws to suit that?and by the way WE ARE SPECIAL.
what makes T&T anymore special.Every country is entitled to adjust their laws to suit whatever they want,look Canada just yesterday approved Gay marriage does that make it right,would you like to adjust our laws to suit that?and by the way WE ARE SPECIAL.
amazing to see how people think we dont need players anymore, just because we lost 2-0 to mexico. seabra is a good player from what ive read of his connection games. and apparantly his natl call cups, he played hurt, and you cant really judge a guy from a couple games cuz hes playing with new people,coaches,system, nervousnes. if he was eligible(and he should be) he shuld be called up next time around beenie looking at new players.
He not eligible. Leh we put de Seabra talk to ress nah.
Lawd man....how much time man have to post T&T citizenship rules fuh some people to get it?
but trinima pointah litle valid..we give triniamn ah passpor..why not seabra? at least seabra like woman and married and living in trinidad...triniman cyar even steups ;D ;D
I've said before on this forum, T&T laws regarding citizenship are border-line prehistoric. If it was the US or England he would have been allowed to play
damm right bredrin does trinidad have an immigrant problems like the usa england etc llook how fast they kerron clement,freddy etc get citizenship .Minster of national security say it will send a wrong message and all that crap them fools
My friend (and Jayerson as well)...Freddy Adu's mother won the lottery and got her citizenship and kerron Clemen't's mother had american citizenship. If either was the case for Seabra, he would play. I don't understand how you can say the laws regarding citizenship are pre-historic in our country compared to others. I in the states 6 years, i not eligible to play for the US(or even work here legally) because i have no family ties. same with seabra...so how their laws more davanced than others? Besides, the States and the UK are economically more developed and able to handle the influx of immigrants...Trinidad is not. Contrary to popular belief, we are still a third world country and for all the oil money we supposed to have a recent report state that more than half the country under the poverty level. Stop thinking like a fan coz this goes beyond the boundary.
I remember there was one French guy (at least French speaking) that could barely speak English and didn't have an American wife and got his passport and was playing for them.
Could not make the switch to International Football. Ordinary- not worth the effort
How much money these people does make in we league, more than CEPEP ?
Somebody help me here. During the gold cup qualifiers in Barbados, TT had a Brazilian form Connection playing on the left side of midfield or defense, he looked pretty solid. What happen, he get drop, injured or what ?
Players who come here came with the realisation that it is easier for them to get into europe via trinidad as opposed to being in brazil.
to say that de brazilians that play for us in the proleague arent good is a stupid statement since W conn went to brazil and had screening sessions with over 100 players from different areas! Players who come here came with the realisation that it is easier for them to get into europe via trinidad as opposed to being in brazil.
For kicker
Wconn and other trinidad clubs have better history and better links to the european market than lower division brazilian clubs.
for example, a player with say "level 8" ability from trinidad has a better chance of making it into europe than a"level 8" player from brazil.
Wconn markets its players more than any other proleague team (and by the way reggae fan, our league is professional, not semi pro) and is in the habit of bringing in players and selling them for profit and using the money to further develop the club's player resources!
Many players in the propleague enjoy comfortable lifestyles as footbalers.
Just because WC does it better than any other local team does not mean that they do it better than Brazilian teams.
Please provide evidence supporting this statement
jabloteh is technically owned by a billionaire but instead of washing them with money he stands back and lets the club attempt to run its own business like a club should and only steps in when they need him to it seems. i dont believe that w.connection has anyway near the type of money that jabloteh could get if they wanted to and they pay their players very well and can do better if they want to. they also sold many players in fact collin samuel, aurtis whitley, cyd gray, angus eve, daurance williams, hector sam, cornell glen they all from jabloteh.
but jabloteh has no brazillian players ( i dont know if they ever had) and i think they try to focus on bringing through young football talent of trinidadian origin with a few sprinkling of foreigners which i think is a bloody good thing. they end up having the most players of any professional team in trinidad on the local national team at any level.
thats one reason why i support jabloteh so much cause i reckon that they do so much for local talent.
Who is the Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Dont tell me is a Trini Billionaire, because I doubt there are any really rich men (by international standrads) in the Caribbean today. Last time I check Micheal Lee chin and Butch Stewart (both Jamaicans) were the richest men in the region. I dont think either of them worth US$50 Million on their own (I may be wrong here). So who is the Trini Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Whats the source of his wealth?
I could have 3.5 billion in sales if my expenses were 5 billion.
Don't quote sales as a measure of someone's worth please.
That could be misleading.
Use a different metric.
I could have 3.5 billion in sales if my expenses were 5 billion.
Don't quote sales as a measure of someone's worth please.
That could be misleading.
Use a different metric.
It was not given as a measure of his worth, it was given as a measure of the size of the company.
Duprey is small fry compared to Lee chin and butch stewart.
Who is the Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Dont tell me is a Trini Billionaire, because I doubt there are any really rich men (by international standrads) in the Caribbean today. Last time I check Micheal Lee chin and Butch Stewart (both Jamaicans) were the richest men in the region. I dont think either of them worth US$50 Million on their own (I may be wrong here). So who is the Trini Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Whats the source of his wealth?
Who is the Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Dont tell me is a Trini Billionaire, because I doubt there are any really rich men (by international standrads) in the Caribbean today. Last time I check Micheal Lee chin and Butch Stewart (both Jamaicans) were the richest men in the region. I dont think either of them worth US$50 Million on their own (I may be wrong here). So who is the Trini Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Whats the source of his wealth?
by de way reggaefan, de richest man in the caribbean is ANTHONY SABGA!! Lawrence Duprey is also very wealthy. both these men are multi millionares, but Sabga is the richest in the caribbean by far.
Asking me to prove that is like asking me to prove that yellow and blue makes green without any yellow and blue markers!!
Let us know some more about Sabga.
Last time I check Micheal Lee chin and Butch Stewart (both Jamaicans) were the richest men in the region. So who is the Trini Billionaire that owns Jabloteh? Whats the source of his wealth?
Lee Chin does not own AIG don’t lie Reggaefan I work for AIG and it’s a insurance company not a bank..
check the thread .....this point was never about who is the richest man in the caribbean, it was always about which club in the caribbean is sufficiently well off ( or can call on a sugar daddy to help it out) to compete with other clubs in central america and the usa and so on and those who have to hunt brazillian talent and sell players to stay profitable etc
in the end (unless tallman or somebody who knows tells me differently), Duprey is the only 'money-man' with a direct interest in a caribbean football club ( i wont mention his indirect ownership of rangers fc again like i did down below)
So then which is the richest club in the Caribbean?
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
The discussion relates to football, doesnt it? Seabra didnt qualify for a Trini passport, hence he is not able to play for T&T. Not much more to say other than that. He did represent T&T in a few games, so obviously, its not a matter of him not good enough.
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
The discussion relates to football, doesnt it? Seabra didnt qualify for a Trini passport, hence he is not able to play for T&T. Not much more to say other than that. He did represent T&T in a few games, so obviously, its not a matter of him not good enough.
It may still be a matter of if he is good enough, if is one thing we can do in Trini is pull strings, so while he may be good enough to make the team for some games, but not good enough for Jack and dem to pull the right strings to get him his papers.
where there is a will there is a way, guess they just were not willing.
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
The discussion relates to football, doesnt it? Seabra didnt qualify for a Trini passport, hence he is not able to play for T&T. Not much more to say other than that. He did represent T&T in a few games, so obviously, its not a matter of him not good enough.
It may still be a matter of if he is good enough, if is one thing we can do in Trini is pull strings, so while he may be good enough to make the team for some games, but not good enough for Jack and dem to pull the right strings to get him his papers.
where there is a will there is a way, guess they just were not willing.
A Brazilian not good enough to make Trinidad's fotball team. Hmm. Must be a real crappy Brazilain 'baller then I guess ::)
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
The discussion relates to football, doesnt it? Seabra didnt qualify for a Trini passport, hence he is not able to play for T&T. Not much more to say other than that. He did represent T&T in a few games, so obviously, its not a matter of him not good enough.
It may still be a matter of if he is good enough, if is one thing we can do in Trini is pull strings, so while he may be good enough to make the team for some games, but not good enough for Jack and dem to pull the right strings to get him his papers.
where there is a will there is a way, guess they just were not willing.
A Brazilian not good enough to make Trinidad's fotball team. Hmm. Must be a real crappy Brazilain 'baller then I guess ::)
He probably good enough to make Jamaica' squad though......... ;D ;D ;D
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
The discussion relates to football, doesnt it? Seabra didnt qualify for a Trini passport, hence he is not able to play for T&T. Not much more to say other than that. He did represent T&T in a few games, so obviously, its not a matter of him not good enough.
It may still be a matter of if he is good enough, if is one thing we can do in Trini is pull strings, so while he may be good enough to make the team for some games, but not good enough for Jack and dem to pull the right strings to get him his papers.
where there is a will there is a way, guess they just were not willing.
A Brazilian not good enough to make Trinidad's fotball team. Hmm. Must be a real crappy Brazilain 'baller then I guess ::)
He probably good enough to make Jamaica' squad though......... ;D ;D ;D
Maybe he could. He probaly would be a better players with good skilful players around him. I am sure Yorke would have at least one World Cup appearance under his belt had he been a Jakan by birth. So to Latapee (oops, did I spell that right?) :devil:
where have you been ??????? ??? ???
The problem on the left side fix. Jlloyd Samuel coming to play on the left. He go be the Trini Ashley Cole.
Seabra plays for W Connection..A left footed player, good at free-kicks and I think he is currently leading goal-scorer in PFL..He has been in Trinidad for a while
i know joe public had ah handful ah brazilian players like seven years ago.buy ah never hear bout he.he good.
where all these european waggonists comin from jed! where dem was when we was under d fire to qualify? where were their services then? eh??
man hear world cup & all of ah sudden dey lookin to pull all kinda link to T&T out dey ass. dey cud stay dey & come play for the qualifiers for 2010 to prove this is where they wanna be. Ah sure half ah dem goin an overlook we again once world cup done.
let we go wit who got us there. they deserve it. IF IT AIN'T BROKE DOH FIX IT!!!!
We cyar give him citizen ship just so nah. He have residency so he cud play friendlies but citizenship different...
He has to meet certain requirements and he ain't make some ah them... one of them is time in TnT...
If we change de laws all dem Guyanese who was dey before Seabra go get if scotch free nah so Seabra's best option is tuh divore he wife... marry ah trini... wait bout 3 years divorce she and marrid back he brazilian wife
by 2010 he will have his citizenship
and will most likely be playing in our T&T Squad
how old will he be then?
like survivor the merge soon come
seabra will be like 35 or sumtin cuz i think he 29 all now if so young
he may not have sumthin to offer tnt ball by then anyway plus neaves and tinto go be like 25 cyar go rong in 2010 wit speedy wingers like dat
he will be 2 old
Allyuh straying from the topic,the subject is not who is the riches man in the caribbean but about seabra,get back on track.
The discussion relates to football, doesnt it? Seabra didnt qualify for a Trini passport, hence he is not able to play for T&T. Not much more to say other than that. He did represent T&T in a few games, so obviously, its not a matter of him not good enough.
It may still be a matter of if he is good enough, if is one thing we can do in Trini is pull strings, so while he may be good enough to make the team for some games, but not good enough for Jack and dem to pull the right strings to get him his papers.
where there is a will there is a way, guess they just were not willing.
A Brazilian not good enough to make Trinidad's fotball team. Hmm. Must be a real crappy Brazilain 'baller then I guess ::)
Do we have any Brazilians playing in T&T Pro League now?
Queen, Andre and Touches and the Trini posse may be better to answer this but Seabra eh gettin throu with he passport so like he/they give up. He still dey at connection (i think)
Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she. (by law you can get a trini passport if your parents are Trini) Seabra has no blood ties to the Island so that why they making him go through the due process, which i think is crap
In case yuh eh realize you reply to a 6 year old postQueen, Andre and Touches and the Trini posse may be better to answer this but Seabra eh gettin throu with he passport so like he/they give up. He still dey at connection (i think)
Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she. (by law you can get a trini passport if your parents are Trini) Seabra has no blood ties to the Island so that why they making him go through the due process, which i think is crap
what does her color have to do with anything about getting a passort or not? ??? :thumbsdown:
so what? it was up in the most recently replied threads this morning and its the first time i am reading the thread. what are you trying to say? there's an expiration date on calling out someone's bigotry?In case yuh eh realize you reply to a 6 year old postQueen, Andre and Touches and the Trini posse may be better to answer this but Seabra eh gettin throu with he passport so like he/they give up. He still dey at connection (i think)
Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she. (by law you can get a trini passport if your parents are Trini) Seabra has no blood ties to the Island so that why they making him go through the due process, which i think is crap
what does her color have to do with anything about getting a passort or not? ??? :thumbsdown:
actually the statutes of limitations mighta run out already Stunner. lolol.so what? it was up in the most recently replied threads this morning and its the first time i am reading the thread. what are you trying to say? there's an expiration date on calling out someone's bigotry?In case yuh eh realize you reply to a 6 year old postQueen, Andre and Touches and the Trini posse may be better to answer this but Seabra eh gettin throu with he passport so like he/they give up. He still dey at connection (i think)
Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she. (by law you can get a trini passport if your parents are Trini) Seabra has no blood ties to the Island so that why they making him go through the due process, which i think is crap
what does her color have to do with anything about getting a passort or not? ??? :thumbsdown:
so what? it was up in the most recently replied threads this morning and its the first time i am reading the thread. what are you trying to say? there's an expiration date on calling out someone's bigotry?
no eh doh try make this out as something other than what it is, we all know that birchall is white, ricky implied that birchall got his passport BECAUSE birchall moms was a born WHITE triniso what? it was up in the most recently replied threads this morning and its the first time i am reading the thread. what are you trying to say? there's an expiration date on calling out someone's bigotry?
I sure Ricky doh need me to 'defend' him, but I'm just curious... how is it "bigotry" to mention the fact that Birchall's mother is a "born white Trini"?
Question is....is Ricky still even on dis site anymore so who you really arguing wid?
no eh doh try make this out as something other than what it is, we all know that birchall is white, ricky implied that birchall got his passport BECAUSE birchall moms was a born WHITE trini
"Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she"
i mean, i am the last person to correct grammar, but his sentence structure is poor, implying that birchal got his passport quickly because his mother was 1) born in TnT 2) white 3) right after states that its law if your parents are trini you can get a passport, no where in the law does it state you had to be of a certain race to get get a passport quicker than anyone else, therefore no need to state her race other than to imply because of her race he got it quicker
no eh doh try make this out as something other than what it is, we all know that birchall is white, ricky implied that birchall got his passport BECAUSE birchall moms was a born WHITE trini
"Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she"
i mean, i am the last person to correct grammar, but his sentence structure is poor, implying that birchal got his passport quickly because his mother was 1) born in TnT 2) white 3) right after states that its law if your parents are trini you can get a passport, no where in the law does it state you had to be of a certain race to get get a passport quicker than anyone else, therefore no need to state her race other than to imply because of her race he got it quicker
what does it make him then?no eh doh try make this out as something other than what it is, we all know that birchall is white, ricky implied that birchall got his passport BECAUSE birchall moms was a born WHITE trini
"Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she"
i mean, i am the last person to correct grammar, but his sentence structure is poor, implying that birchal got his passport quickly because his mother was 1) born in TnT 2) white 3) right after states that its law if your parents are trini you can get a passport, no where in the law does it state you had to be of a certain race to get get a passport quicker than anyone else, therefore no need to state her race other than to imply because of her race he got it quicker
Even if he thinks that race played a part in it (and it's not just "poor sentence construction"), that doesn't make him a bigot.
no eh doh try make this out as something other than what it is, we all know that birchall is white, ricky implied that birchall got his passport BECAUSE birchall moms was a born WHITE trini
"Birchall get his do fast casue his mother is a born white Trini so he get if from she"
i mean, i am the last person to correct grammar, but his sentence structure is poor, implying that birchal got his passport quickly because his mother was 1) born in TnT 2) white 3) right after states that its law if your parents are trini you can get a passport, no where in the law does it state you had to be of a certain race to get get a passport quicker than anyone else, therefore no need to state her race other than to imply because of her race he got it quicker
Aside from what Kicker said... there is nothing at all wrong with "that kind of thinking". It might not have been your reality... or maybe you juss gone from Trinidad too long, but colorism is very much real in Trinidad, and next to classism is the most virulent form of prejudice in the country, more than racism if you ask me. So just because Ricky call it as he see it that doh make him a bigot, he hasn't said anything dergoatory about whites nor did he advocate prejudice against them. It is a truism in certain arenas that your color or creed will get you ahead faster than anyone else.
"truism" doesnt make it right, thats exactly the type of thinking that has trini in such a state we accpet the wrong things and shun the right unless its actually hurting you directly, plus i highly doubt i could get away with making inferneces like his on here, why bother eh? we like it so!
"truism" doesnt make it right, thats exactly the type of thinking that has trini in such a state we accpet the wrong things and shun the right unless its actually hurting you directly, plus i highly doubt i could get away with making inferneces like his on here, why bother eh? we like it so!
None so blind as those who will not see.....if I was the white one I wouldn't have gotten the job
So years ago back in de days of post primary there were two fellas who were fourteen nearing fifteen. So out of concern meh fadder started to use he contacts to try to find these two fellas a job. It so happened one was black and the other white. So finally he link them up with a Printer. He took both went down to the printer where they took a written test. It so happened that they scored equally on the test. So days later the Printer contacted him and guess which one he chose.......reason being he had a better handwriting.